WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:03.680 The last time there was this much hupla around a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:08.560 Christopher Nolan film, it was Oppenheimer, which cleaned up at 3 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:13.080 the Oscars in twenty twenty four, taking home seven Academy Awards, 4 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:18.079 including Best Picture and Best Director. This time, Nolan has 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:22.800 shot an entire film in Imax and assembled yet another 6 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:28.800 all star cast. Will he do it again? It's The Odyssey. 7 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:33.240 I'm Ronald Young Junior, and I'm leaving the theater. 8 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:25.400 All right. 9 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.000 This is Ronald and I am leaving the theater after 10 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:35.799 seeing The Odyssey. The Odyssey written and directed by Christopher Nolan, 11 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:41.159 starring Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Hathaway, Robert Pattinson, Lupita Youngo, 12 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:46.239 Samantha Morton, Zendeia, and Charlie Sterren per Usual. For a 13 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.040 complete listing of the cast and crew, go to the 14 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:51.519 link in our show notes because I definitely left some 15 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:52.280 names out. 16 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:53.719 I am not here alone. 17 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.159 I am watching this screening in La or I just 18 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.000 watched the screening in la and I'm here with Night. 19 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:02.439 Rosie Knight. 20 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.159 Welcome to the show, longtime fan, first time guest on 21 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.560 the Nope, I didn't land that well anyway, I'm glad 22 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:09.960 you're here. 23 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:10.919 How are you? 24 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.360 I'm glad to be here. It's very fun to watch that. 25 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.360 And it starts to be Reunited after Pop Culture Debate Club, 26 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.240 which we did a couple of times together. 27 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.759 Good Pull. We don't talk about that show here, but 28 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:25.080 it's okay. I'm not hurt or anything. It's okay. No, no, 29 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:26.840 I'm gonna leave it in there. I need everyone to 30 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.159 know my pain, all right. So The Odyssey is Christopher 31 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:37.199 Nolan's reimagining making of Homer's classic the Odyssey, which is 32 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.560 a bunch of Greek mythology and stuff. You probably learned 33 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:43.759 about this in school. This plot follows Odysseus after he 34 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:49.400 fights in a war against the Trojans and he has 35 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.879 to take the long way home because he keeps getting lost. Meanwhile, 36 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.879 his wife and son are trying to fight off people 37 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.080 who are trying to usurp his throne home in Ithaca. Okay, 38 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.000 that is the plot the movie, Rosie Night, What did 39 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:03.360 you think of this film? 40 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.120 Okay? So I do hate to say, this is a 41 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:07.159 tough day for me. 42 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.840 Because I am, as most people know who recognize my voice, 43 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:13.840 I am a Christopher Nolan sink, let's say, But I 44 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.000 gotta say I actually thought the movie banged. 45 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:17.800 I loved it. It's very annoying. 46 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.199 I actually thought it was like incredible, and it was 47 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:21.840 very tailored to my exact taste. 48 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:22.719 So yes, I was. 49 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.000 I went in with the expectations and I was honestly 50 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.280 pretty blown away. The imax of it all was amazing 51 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.439 to see a full movie in imax for the first 52 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:30.879 time ever. 53 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:36.360 It's so funny because about a third through the movie, 54 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.800 I was like, this movie stupid, and then halfway through 55 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.039 the movie, I'm like, oh, what are you doing? And 56 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:43.560 then somewhere in that last third, I was like, Yo, 57 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:45.479 this movie is incredible. 58 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:47.120 What is happening here? 59 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.479 You're absolutely right, I feel like the it's There was 60 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.319 a part of me that said, I don't think the 61 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.360 writing of this movie is that great, but I think 62 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.879 the execution of this movie, like what they actually what 63 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.080 you actually see on screen, which is more than just 64 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.919 the lines that they're delivering. And there are some banger 65 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:06.759 lines in here, but there was just a lot of 66 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.000 parts of story that I was questioning, pacing and all that. 67 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.039 But then again, when they get to the point that 68 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.039 they're trying to make, it gets a lot better. That 69 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.079 being said, there's a lot of this that kind of 70 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.040 reminded me of Exception of a man tried to get 71 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.800 home to his kids, and emotionally the beats felt a 72 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:26.680 lot like inception. 73 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:27.560 I don't know if you call it. 74 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:29.360 Now, I will just say I don't know if you've 75 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.279 ever watched any of a Christophanilla movie, but that's basically 76 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.560 every fucking movie he makes, Like it's always about a 77 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.360 dad going back to his kid, A wife has died, 78 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.920 I have to see. I actually think the constraints of 79 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.600 the two thousand year old plus poem, which is like, 80 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.000 you know, this epic that was written probably by hundreds 81 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.120 of people over like hundreds of years, so it's kind 82 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:51.759 of hard to adapt. I found those constraints kind of 83 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.519 helped him because like he couldn't kill Penelope, like just 84 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.199 don't do it, like that's not in the story. 85 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.240 Do the story or whatever. 86 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.120 You're sorry if it actually is, and he changed that, 87 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.560 but good for you. So no dead wife. Yeah, it 88 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.600 definitely has a lot of his usual themes family. I 89 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.600 think the big thing that stuck out to me though, 90 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.519 and I was actually talking to in my X ray 91 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:10.399 vision group chat. 92 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:11.040 About this already. 93 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.399 It's definitely like a very heavy anti war movie. And 94 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.160 I think that is a reaction to Oppenheimer, where he 95 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.360 thought he was making an anti war movie but he 96 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.800 actually wasn't and it ended up being way more kind 97 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:26.639 of controversial. But the big thesis of this movie is 98 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.759 definitely like an anti war movie, which I was. 99 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.759 Not expecting, and I felt for me the movie worked. 100 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.920 But I was speaking some other friends outside who had 101 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.680 similar issues, like you said, with pacing, but all of 102 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.600 them agreed that once you get to the third act 103 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.199 and it wraps up, it actually kind of works. And 104 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:42.720 for me it worked because I felt like it was 105 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.560 very lyrical and weird and kind of like an oral 106 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.920 story because you just jumped between so many different characters, 107 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:50.800 and but it worked. I felt like he got the 108 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:52.480 dream like weirdness down. 109 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.319 That was perfect. I think dreamlike weirdness is a great 110 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.199 way to talk about. As a matter of fact, I 111 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.360 think he kind of stretched as a filmmaker in this one, 112 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.120 because and I mean we're talking about a person who 113 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.040 did Interstellar. He's good at imagining things. He's good at 114 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:09.439 inception tenant, he's good at imagining things. As a matter 115 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.959 of fact, I'm hoping that he's imagining something new for 116 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.079 his next film. I don't want to see another historical 117 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:17.000 drama from him, But knowing what he was capable and 118 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.800 how he executed, especially the scene there's a scene where 119 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.920 I'll just say, pigs, there's pigs, and that scene was 120 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.000 it was body horror, and I don't like body horror. 121 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.040 But I was watching the whole time with my hands 122 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.199 on my head. But I was watching the whole time. 123 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:34.639 So I feel like he's definitely stretched himself as a 124 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:38.199 filmmaker here in a way that I mean, I already 125 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.160 know this is a front runner for Best Picture. It's 126 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:45.720 everything that Hollywood likes. It is a big, spectacular, epic film. 127 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.680 I think my only quibbles with it really come down 128 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.920 to things that took me out of the movie several times. 129 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:52.720 Every now and then. 130 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.959 Telemachus, playing by Tom Holland is just like, hey, mom, 131 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.120 so and so and so, and I'm just like, what 132 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:00.279 do you mean, Mom. 133 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.199 Let's talk Okay, So let's talk about this because we 134 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.000 were This is actually something really interesting that Nolan decided 135 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.839 to do. So there was a recent adaptation of the Odyssey, 136 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.920 which was the first woman to ever adapt the Odyssey, 137 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.839 and it was very like plain language and she also 138 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.079 changed it to iambic pentameter, which is the Shakespearean kind 139 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.480 of thing rather than how Grecians would have said it. 140 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.279 And I think because of that, he went for this 141 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:30.120 like loose, easy, free, so it doesn't feel forced. And 142 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.279 I actually think for like ninety five percent of the 143 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.160 movie it works really well because a lot of times 144 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.480 when you watch like Lawrence of Arabia or like an 145 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.839 old timey Cleopatra, they're doing such accents that it ages 146 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:41.399 it they do. 147 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:42.240 It's campy. 148 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.759 They're all talking in like very high British. So I 149 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.959 think that the casual nature for the most part really 150 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.560 loves ubim. But then like at one point, I'm pretty 151 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.600 sure that Tom Holland did throw a sword and go 152 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.800 Dad's swords or something, and I was like, but generally, 153 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.000 I do want to give credit to the whole cast, actually, 154 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:00.800 including Tom Holland and also. 155 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:03.240 The Punisher himself. 156 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.639 You know, John Berthall, he's really great in this movie, 157 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:08.319 and he did. 158 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:09.639 Not stretch as an actor in this movie. 159 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.240 Now he didn't, but this is actually the thing that 160 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.000 worked for me about this movie. Right, John Bernhal's being 161 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.360 John Bernhale, Robert Pattinson is being Robert Pattinson's Zenda is 162 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.839 acting as a beautiful young woman, but she's barely in 163 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.040 it right, so she's basically Zendeia. But the way that 164 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.759 they put the story together and they cast everything, there 165 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.720 were truly moments where I was so engrossed that I 166 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.159 was not just thinking, Oh, that person's seen an air one. 167 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.559 That person sent a text, which, like with Nosferatu, like 168 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.519 Egger's last. 169 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.639 Movie, I really struggled with that with Lily Rose. 170 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:41.519 Depp, I do feel like, also you mentioned the horror, 171 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:43.840 I do feel like this is the Christopher Nolan who 172 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.840 for the first time has like watched Robert Eggers and 173 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.279 Denny Villeneuve. It feels so influenced by June in a 174 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.360 really positive way. 175 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:52.600 Like I feel like this. 176 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.360 And Dune three coming out this year is gonna tip 177 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.799 us onto a kind of period piece Swords and Sandals, 178 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.039 grand epic, because Hollywood's been wanting to do this since 179 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.159 the fifties. 180 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.360 But it has always struggled, always struggled. 181 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.080 I agree, and I think I don't know. I'm like, 182 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.840 I'm a I'm not a sword in Sandals park guy. 183 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:12.720 Uh. 184 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.240 But I will say the one thing that this does 185 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.120 well is it could have ended as just a sword 186 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.879 in Sandals movie. But I think what Doune does well 187 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.639 and what movies like this do well, is that they 188 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.960 state their ethos enough, and they land their ethos enough 189 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.320 that you realize, oh, this wasn't about the war, this 190 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.000 wasn't about We're not gonna see like fifty dudes painting 191 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.720 abs on their stomach saying oooh like for three hundred 192 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.360 this is like they're basically saying, no, there's something else 193 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:39.759 going on here. Because by the time this movie gets 194 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.080 to a state, it's point where he's kind of like 195 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.559 talking to his when he's talking to his wife at 196 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:46.919 one point in the movie and he starts to kind 197 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:48.919 of state the ethos of the film. I was blown 198 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.799 away because at some point he says, ten years of 199 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:54.879 rage flew into Troy. 200 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.080 In one night, and I was like, oh no. 201 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:00.679 And then as they start showing you, it was just 202 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.039 such first of all, was remarkable restraint, because you really 203 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.600 think that you're just seeing vignettes the whole time, But 204 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.039 when they actually get to the point, it's you realize 205 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.639 that this was all done with intent, which immediately makes 206 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.240 me want to watch it again. That being said, I 207 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.720 need Hollywood to understand that I need Hollywood to say, hey, 208 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.720 this isn't just sword and sandals. We're actually making something 209 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240 that's good here and that matters. And that's what Doune 210 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:25.320 and movies like this do. 211 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.799 Yeah, I think like with any genre stuff that's like 212 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.120 the big issue that Hollywood often has is like the 213 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.159 same way of seeing it right now with the back rooms, 214 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.559 where it's this idea of like, oh, quickly find someone 215 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.080 on YouTube, right, like find something like on YouTube. But 216 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.639 it's like Caane Parsons is a once in a generational 217 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.360 talent who's like sixteen years old who made a super 218 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.399 weird movie, Like you can't replicate that, but what you 219 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.320 can do is support independent artists, right, So this is 220 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.320 the same thing where it's like, what you can do 221 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.159 is give artists with a vision a lot of money 222 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.679 to do great genre stories that can be analogous. Because 223 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.440 something I did not expect from Christopher Nolan, who, by 224 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.360 the way, in the past I have complained a lot 225 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.120 about his tendencies to be like he's not a very 226 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:10.759 international caster, and when he is, he he doesn't usually do. 227 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:12.039 A great job. With Dunkirk. 228 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.720 He really missed the mark on that historically, I felt 229 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.320 like here he was learning from a lot of his 230 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.840 own mistakes, Like this was a cast that looked how 231 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:22.919 I would a want to see a fucking movie look, 232 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.399 but be also like, this is what it would be 233 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.960 like in ancient Greece, like think about trade routes, thinks 234 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.320 about pillaging and raping, like it's gonna be diverse. 235 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:32.159 I think there's a lot of choices. 236 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.720 He makes that is gonna make this age so much 237 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:36.840 better than a lot of his other movies. I actually 238 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:38.279 think this is a lot of people are gonna say 239 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.039 this is the best movie, and I do think they're 240 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.279 probably right. I only have a couple of Christopher Nolan 241 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.600 movies i'm a fan of, but this is definitely now 242 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.720 I've probably got three, you know, with this. 243 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.080 It's funny because I'm I like again when I by 244 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:52.759 the time I walked out of it, I enjoyed it. 245 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:54.799 And the more I talk to you, the more that 246 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.720 my score on this is like is is adjusting. I 247 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.840 love Christopher Nolan like you, and I feel like when 248 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.360 I think about this as a part of his cannon, 249 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.240 it obviously fits his most recent cannon, if you because 250 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.159 Dunkirk Oppenheimer all of. 251 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.320 Those, Tenant is the only one. Tennant is kind of 252 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:15.000 the odd man out. 253 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:16.519 Now if you think of it as last four movies, 254 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:21.000 it's Dunkirk, Oppenhauer to Oppenheimer, Tenant and the Odyssey, and 255 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:22.200 Tenant's really. 256 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.559 Like more of the last bastion of like the Batman sci. 257 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.480 Fi era, you know, the Interstellar inception all that. 258 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.279 So because of that, it makes me say, I don't 259 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.600 know what he's going to do next, but I will 260 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.120 say he is a very sharp filmmaker right now, and 261 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.720 it's gonna be I mean, it's gonna be very I 262 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.600 mean I almost feel like you might need to quit. 263 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.120 Like I don't, Like there's a part of me I'm like, 264 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:46.039 where do you go from here? 265 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.240 I'm not gonna lie. 266 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.279 It does feel like he's kind of done. This is 267 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.840 a magnum opus Like it felt to me like all 268 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.399 of his British tendencies, all of his storytelling tendencies, all 269 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.000 of his film nud tendencies to be the first director 270 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:03.200 to ever direct a full feature length film completely in imax, 271 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.799 like it's all led to this. I think if I 272 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.240 was gonna see him do anything, I would love to 273 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.960 see him like take a twenty five mil budget and 274 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:14.639 do like a mid budget like crime thriller or something 275 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.360 like he used to do. And again, not a huge 276 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:18.960 fan of all of his work, and I will say 277 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:20.840 I do think the reason this is really good is 278 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.639 also because he had so much source material to work from. 279 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:25.159 I think that helped for me. 280 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:27.799 I would love to see him adept something where he's 281 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.440 not just directly ripping off an anime movie, So like, 282 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.399 let's do an original movie next Christopher, a little bit 283 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.000 lower budget. But I know, really Universe was probably gonna 284 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.919 ask him to do the Iliad, and honestly, I would 285 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.120 be there on the first day. 286 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:40.600 So I can't complain. 287 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.960 Okay, So here at leaving a theater, we rate movies 288 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.120 out of five stars. I know this is your least 289 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.039 favorite thing, but it's out of five stars and you 290 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.840 can use decimals. Let me just tell you what the 291 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.639 scale is so you understand it. So one is this 292 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:59.519 it's irredeemable basically. Two is I didn't like this. I 293 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.799 hated it, didn't like it. Three is I would watch 294 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.519 this again. That is the most basic down the middle. 295 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:07.759 I would watch this again when you start to get 296 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:09.639 above three, when you get to like three point twenty 297 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.519 five three point five. You really enjoyed this movie. Four 298 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:14.919 is typically where a lot of the Oscar films live, 299 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:16.879 and most of the movies that you really like they 300 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.759 live around the four range, and then five typically. Just 301 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:22.759 so you know, the first movie I ever gave five 302 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.360 stars to was Godzilla minus one, and I also gave 303 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.000 it to the one with Lupinia and Jungo as the robot. 304 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.039 The Wild Robot also got five stars. So there's movies 305 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.559 that are just so satisfying that their imperfections are not 306 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.679 outweighed by how I feel when I move out of them. 307 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:40.120 Those are movies that get fives. So now you know 308 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.519 the ratings there were five. You can use decimals if 309 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:46.360 you need them. What would you rate this movie out 310 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:47.120 of five stars? 311 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.559 No, I think going by your rating, I think just 312 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:52.759 being objective, being sensible. I mean, this is like a 313 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.879 solid four star movie for me. I think I would 314 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:56.600 highly recommend people go and watch it. I think the 315 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.639 cinematography is amazing. I was not bored even though it's 316 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:00.480 fucking long. 317 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.480 That I like the weird choices, but and I do 318 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:04.559 feel like it pays off. 319 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.840 I do feel like maybe some people would leave, so 320 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:08.919 I'm not giving it five. It's not perfect, but I 321 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:12.360 do think it is definitely much better than just good. 322 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.960 So so let me just say something about you that 323 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:19.159 I think is incredible. You are a very sharp reviewer, 324 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:21.879 and you understand things very well, and you're very good 325 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.279 at articulating things, and you're very fair when you don't 326 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.279 like things, because I know you don't like Christopher Nolan. 327 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.679 And I know that because when I was sitting here, 328 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.080 I was trying to think of what my score was 329 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:31.759 going to be. And when I walked out of this film, 330 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.000 I thought, this is a four star movie. I four 331 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.879 right down the middle, and I wasn't sure what you 332 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:38.960 were going to say, because it seemed like you enjoyed 333 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:39.399 it more. 334 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:41.679 So I'm like, where could it beat? Where could it land? 335 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.720 And you just solidified that, Yes, it's one hundred percent. 336 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.720 This is a solid four star movie, one hundred percent 337 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.000 one through three, four stars out of five. I don't 338 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:51.480 think it's more. I think a lot of critics are 339 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.279 gonna lose their minds and give it like it's probably 340 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.519 gonna have a ninety five ninety six percent Rotten Tomato score. 341 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:59.600 I wouldn't be surprised if it's even higher than that. 342 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.639 They're gonna be run with that. I think it's a 343 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:03.919 four star movies. I think you set your expectations saying 344 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:05.879 I'm going to go see a very good movie. Get 345 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.679 your popcorn. It's two hours and fifty two minutes long. 346 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.559 There was sometimes where you felt every minute of that 347 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.559 two hours and fifty two minutes. But what it does 348 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.360 in that time, I mean, it's good. And then we 349 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.000 sit at the end, we saw the credits. The credits 350 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.000 are less than six minutes long, which your point, less 351 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.440 than seven minutes long. What you pointed out was probably 352 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.519 because they used a lot of practical effects. They didn't 353 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.799 use a lot of like houses and digitals and all 354 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.320 that which have all these staffs that make the credits 355 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.120 much longer. So one last thing I'll say before I go, 356 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.480 what did you think of Ludwin Gordson Ludwig Gornson's score. 357 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.200 I did love it. I'm a Ludwig fan. 358 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.320 It was obviously very Dune influence, very Zimmer Hans Zimmer influence. 359 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.960 I think what I really liked about it was the 360 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.159 more like electronic elements that he bought in that kind 361 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:52.799 of brought something new to it for me, and I 362 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.879 think like that is something what I liked about this movie. 363 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:57.679 And the reason is that for for me is like 364 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.840 there is unique It's not in a original film. We've 365 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.639 seen Greek myths, but there is unique choices that are 366 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.759 made throughout that makes it very satisfying and enjoyable. And 367 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.200 I think the score is one of them, because it 368 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.599 would have been very easy to go like John William's 369 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.119 Danny Elfman even like classic, and it's so much weirder, 370 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:16.039 and I think it worked. 371 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:20.839 I absolutely agree, and with that, I'm leaving the Theater 372 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.640 as a production of Oh It's Big Roun Studios. I 373 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.839 mixed this episode, and per usual, I am working very hard. 374 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.759 I am currently in LA right now. By the time 375 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:31.480 you're hearing this, I will be on my way to 376 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.720 New York because I am recording a new podcast. I 377 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.039 have not announced it yet, but I am announcing it 378 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.200 very soon. 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