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Speaker 2: A r T. Breitbart dot Com. Welcome back Oliver Lane,
Speaker 2: the London bureau Chief editor Tay. We've got several topics
Speaker 2: to talk about, Oliver. Happy new year to you, Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the morning show.
Speaker 1: Happy new yet you too, and thank you for having
Speaker 1: me back.
Speaker 2: You gate rather interesting article and I'll strongly encourage my
Speaker 2: listeners again. Breitbart dot Com look up the article modern
Speaker 2: Life under Attack. Twenty twenty four should have been the
Speaker 2: year the West woke up to infrastructure sabotage. Frightening stuff
Speaker 2: you have in here. Of course you talk about the Russian,
Speaker 2: you talk about the Chinese, but then we also have
Speaker 2: the idea of radicalized individuals, no coordinated efforts. No, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't belong to cells, they don't have the internet
Speaker 2: traffic and back and forth they're attacking the you know,
Speaker 2: various forms of infrastructure as well. I mean, we have
Speaker 2: a multitude of bad actors out in the world, and
Speaker 2: is there really anything we can do about it by
Speaker 2: way of preparation or I mean, I guess I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sort of puzzled at the solution to all of this.
Speaker 1: You summarized it very well, and there's sort of the
Speaker 1: purpose of this article that I wrote. It was just
Speaker 1: as almost a counterpoints to the prevailing official narrative, which
Speaker 1: is that we're coming under a great deal of attack
Speaker 1: in terms of what they call hybrid warfare and the
Speaker 1: attack on infrastructure, which are authored predominantly by Russia and
Speaker 1: Russian agents. And I think when people talk about China,
Speaker 1: it's so often more of the sort of cybersecurity side
Speaker 1: of things has but when it comes to physical attacks,
Speaker 1: the talk is about Russia. And I do not you know,
Speaker 1: I would not challenge these are real issues. But what
Speaker 1: I think has to be talked about as well, and
Speaker 1: I think is I think it's possibly even downplayed. I
Speaker 1: think there is almost an attempt to cover up here
Speaker 1: is the degree to which that radicalized individuals, as you say,
Speaker 1: from the hard left, what they call in France the
Speaker 1: ultra left who, as far as we can tell, because
Speaker 1: factor there's been so little research done on this, and
Speaker 1: Western intelligence agencies it seems to me are actually shy
Speaker 1: about talking about this. They're averse talking about leftwig extremism
Speaker 1: at all. Who are launching these attacks? Now? I think
Speaker 1: the kind of the reason I decided to do this
Speaker 1: article now this year is the attack on French infrastructure
Speaker 1: the day of the Olympics. You remember, of course, we
Speaker 1: all remember that insane Paris Olympics opening ceremony. Well have
Speaker 1: got a a lot of headlines, but what I was
Speaker 1: really thinking about that day was the fact that Paris
Speaker 1: came under attack that morning. And it did make global headlines,
Speaker 1: but not as much as I think it really ought
Speaker 1: to have. And what happened was at strategic points on
Speaker 1: railways going in and out of Paris, in every direction
Speaker 1: coming in out of Paris. And this was a coordinated
Speaker 1: attack by groups of people or a group of people
Speaker 1: who knew who knew the system, they knew where to strike,
Speaker 1: to do absolutely the minimal actual possible work to get
Speaker 1: the maximum possible in damage. And this is very simple.
Speaker 1: All you need to know is where the cables are
Speaker 1: the cables are government signaling. You need a pair of
Speaker 1: bolt croppers and you can bring an entire railway system
Speaker 1: to its knees. And this is exactly what they did.
Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of people were stranded because when it
Speaker 1: comes to operating modern high speed rail, safety is so important.
Speaker 1: And if there is no signaling, which is of course
Speaker 1: all computer controlled, all the data for signaling is transmitted
Speaker 1: by fiber optic cable. If there is no signaling, there
Speaker 1: is no railway.
Speaker 2: What you have is hundreds of.
Speaker 1: Thousands of tons of scrap steel that you can't run
Speaker 1: the railway otherwise. And it's incredible. I think that actually
Speaker 1: we've heard so little about this st already since the
Speaker 1: French government decided that it probably was the Ultra left
Speaker 1: and then they dropped the story like a hot stone.
Speaker 1: So what this ask call you that you're very kindly
Speaker 1: sighted in mind at the beginning of this segment. What
Speaker 1: it does is actually look at all the other stuff
Speaker 1: like that that's been going on this year, and there
Speaker 1: was just so much of it, and it is so
Speaker 1: little talking about it. I think it's going to become
Speaker 1: a real problem.
Speaker 2: Well clearly, and you mentioned railways, and there's this obviously,
Speaker 2: there's this crazy push and here in America to build railways,
Speaker 2: and this is the solution for modern transportation, and I
Speaker 2: always look at it. You know, well, wait a second.
Speaker 2: It seems to me to be the most easily easy
Speaker 2: system of transportation to sabotage. Along the lines of what
Speaker 2: you said. I mean, if you get four guys with
Speaker 2: a couple of crowbars, I imagine you could take out
Speaker 2: one rail, and if you can take out one rail,
Speaker 2: you derail a modern engine and derail the whole the
Speaker 2: entire railway system. Maybe not that simple, but it's pretty
Speaker 2: damn simple. We've had a tax on powers. You get
Speaker 2: a couple of guys with with with modern rifles and
Speaker 2: they start shooting at the transformers. It's easy to disable
Speaker 2: the power grid in a certain area just by launching
Speaker 2: an attack on one little thing like that. Honestly, sir,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's kind of the point. Actually, it happens
Speaker 1: more often than I realize. It's just not talked about
Speaker 1: because there isn't with these kinds of attacks. There isn't
Speaker 1: a sort of sexy Russian spies angle. It's actually a
Speaker 1: bunch of crumby leftists, like hard leftists who hate the
Speaker 1: modern world, who hate consumerism, and yeah, these are the
Speaker 1: these are the deep growth, the growth guys.
Speaker 2: These are the people who think that we.
Speaker 1: Should be using less energy, people should be confined in
Speaker 1: their immediate neighborhoods. Mass transit is a problem if you're
Speaker 1: like that hard left and that heart green.
Speaker 2: Okay, so some you mentioned, Yeah, go ahead, No, I
Speaker 2: as to say so, Oliver your because the obvious question that's,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of screening here is what is the point?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you go and you stand there and
Speaker 2: you throw paint on a rem brand and your point
Speaker 2: is because global warming and you say it out loud,
Speaker 2: it may be stupid and pointless, but at least you're
Speaker 2: saying out loud, I hate global warming and I believe
Speaker 2: in it, and I'm trying to bring people's attention to it.
Speaker 2: But just bringing transportation to a screeching halt without any
Speaker 2: message associated with it, I mean, the only thing I
Speaker 2: can conclude, as you have, these have to be left
Speaker 2: wing extremists because they're trying to bring society to a halt.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right. The point is undermining confidence in.
Speaker 2: The modern world.
Speaker 1: If you get to a point where you think there's
Speaker 1: no point taking your trains, you can't guarantee it's going
Speaker 1: to get you somewhere.
Speaker 2: That's the point.
Speaker 1: And in terms of the stuff that we've seen this year,
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to be a message associated with it.
Speaker 1: And there's actually a whole spectrum on this sort of
Speaker 1: thing you mentioned a moment ago. Yeah, how easy it
Speaker 1: is actually to derail a t and these things do
Speaker 1: happen in the Ukraine War, the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Ukrainian partisans are like blowing up Russian supply trains all
Speaker 1: the time, and this is a very easy thing to
Speaker 1: do if you have you know, C four and you
Speaker 1: know all that sort of thing. But that's like, that's
Speaker 1: very high on the on the scale of violence, like
Speaker 1: you're potentially killing people by and that's you know, probably
Speaker 1: doesn't fit very well into the playbook of these left
Speaker 1: wing extremists because they don't want to get caught, they
Speaker 1: don't want to go to prison, and because the the
Speaker 1: interference they're doing the attacks, there's there's no violence involved whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's very low level, so there's there's very little instances
Speaker 1: that I can tell people actually ever being prosecuted this
Speaker 1: stuff because no one's being injured overwork. Police are forces
Speaker 1: just don't have time to look into it. But this, this,
Speaker 1: this metastasized is this this, this rolls on like a
Speaker 1: great snowball falling down the cliff because it grows, and
Speaker 1: it grows because I think of feeding of impunity then, and.
Speaker 2: I guess I can certainly understand that on some twisted level,
Speaker 2: these people a political ideology is what it is. And
Speaker 2: this is all very very low hanging fruit, right, Oliver.
Speaker 2: It's low hanging, it's simple to accomplish, it's low tech
Speaker 2: in terms of all you need are minimalist supplies to
Speaker 2: bring about your intended result, and therefore it happens.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The problem is if this becomes more broadly coordinated, and
Speaker 2: I think, going back to your comment about the Chinese
Speaker 2: Communist Party, I mean, we just had our own intelligence
Speaker 2: officials point out that listen, anytime they want, the Chinese
Speaker 2: could just completely wipe out our electric grid. That scares
Speaker 2: the living hell out of the Oliver. But apparently they've
Speaker 2: got the resources, they have the embedded software. They've been
Speaker 2: at this for years and years, they are at it
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven with propecion or professional Chinese Communist
Speaker 2: Party government organ is organized hackers. They're doing this all
Speaker 2: the time. But with these left wing radical individuals, I mean,
Speaker 2: is there any possibility that these low hanging fruit choosing
Speaker 2: organizations could somehow coordinate their efforts to bring about something
Speaker 2: much larger in scale.
Speaker 1: So I think a key part of these ultra left
Speaker 1: I say groups because I don't think there are groups. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think a key part of the mo of these
Speaker 1: ultra left individualists is they understand that the second you
Speaker 1: become organized and you have groups, you have chat, yeah,
Speaker 1: that gives evective intelligence agencies to go after you. And
Speaker 1: if they are all self radicalized and they are all
Speaker 1: self directed and it's a you know, death buy a
Speaker 1: billion pinpricks, I think that they they believe that is
Speaker 1: the tactic that works best for them, because as soon
Speaker 1: as you start having meetings, as soon as you start
Speaker 1: having email chains, that's where that's where the observation comes.
Speaker 1: And this is a real problem for the law abiding majority.
Speaker 1: A great parallel to the is the Islamic State, which
Speaker 1: has had unfortunately very high level of success in attacking
Speaker 1: European cities because they have had these lines of communication
Speaker 1: from you know, what was the Islamic State in Iraq
Speaker 1: and Syria publishing totally openly things as simple as the
Speaker 1: ICE has had a magazine I think it was called
Speaker 1: Dibick or something like that, and rather than being you know,
Speaker 1: lovely articles on fashion or the latest news, it's packed
Speaker 1: cover to cover with how to conduct low level terror attacks.
Speaker 1: And actually, as you brought up earlier, I remember and asked,
Speaker 1: I think going back to twenty sixteen that was published
Speaker 1: in this magazine, which was a quite a granular, detailed
Speaker 1: report on how to derail a train. But this meme,
Speaker 1: for instance, of Islamists terrorists in Europe driving cars through crowds,
Speaker 1: which now you know, you know unfortunately so well in
Speaker 1: the UN as well. This, you know, this is to
Speaker 1: a very large extent, started in this magazine. It was
Speaker 1: tried once, it was found to work, and this Islamic
Speaker 1: State magazine put it in the next edition, which was
Speaker 1: if you want to kill the Infidel, borrow high power
Speaker 1: car and drive it through a marketplace. But because there's
Speaker 1: no direct communication between Islamic State leadership and anyone in
Speaker 1: any cell in Europe. It's just anybody can you know,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't, but anybody can download this stuff and read it.
Speaker 1: It's floating around on the internet. There's no communications chapter,
Speaker 1: there's no two way talk for intelligence actors is to intercept.
Speaker 1: So you have these what they call self radicalized loan
Speaker 1: wolf attackers. When the attacks happened, the security services say, oh,
Speaker 1: they weren't on our radar. This person was not known
Speaker 1: to us. And of course because all the people who
Speaker 1: were known to you you've already arrested. It's the ones
Speaker 1: who are self radicalized you can't lay hands.
Speaker 2: On well, I have to conclude Oliver Lane Bright Bard,
Speaker 2: London Bureau a Chief. This leaves us in a rather
Speaker 2: desperate position. As long as there are people, you know,
Speaker 2: let's point the far left wing terrorists or fundamentalist you know,
Speaker 2: Islamic terrorism. But as long as there are people out
Speaker 2: there that are hell bent on disrupting society, there really
Speaker 2: isn't anything we can do about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one because it's like the defining
Speaker 1: characteristic infrastructure is it's very big and it's very distributed.
Speaker 1: How do you give any sort of protection over real
Speaker 1: network that spans thousands of miles where a single attack
Speaker 1: at any single point will bring the whole thing to
Speaker 1: a to a stumbling halt. And you know, again, I
Speaker 1: just have to emphasize this. When I say attack, I
Speaker 1: am not talking about people planting explosives to railing trains.
Speaker 1: All it takes is a Molotov cocktail in a control cabinet.
Speaker 1: All it takes is a pair of bolt proppers and
Speaker 1: then discriminately cutting every cable in that trough that runs
Speaker 1: alongside the railway. Doesn't matter which on you cut, it'll
Speaker 1: do something. You could be out of there before anybody's
Speaker 1: what's happened. It's a it's a real weakness because we
Speaker 1: have a sophisticated, subtle, sophisticated, subtle systems that keep our
Speaker 1: western modern world ticking over. And that's brilliant because it
Speaker 1: gives us all a very high standard the civic. The
Speaker 1: problem is is that when we live among people who
Speaker 1: hate our way of life for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the ultra left, we talked about Radicalislamists.
Speaker 1: If they hate our way of life, that actually, these
Speaker 1: very delicate, sophisticated systems provides a very effective vector for attack.
Speaker 2: Yes, they do. And you know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing because if we all decide that we need
Speaker 2: to disconnect in order to prevent this, you know, disruption
Speaker 2: in our very lives, we become more more of a
Speaker 2: ludite type that would certainly fulfill their goals, which is
Speaker 2: to be well, less connected, less consumptive, less energy. You know,
Speaker 2: you get consuming, et cetera, et cetera. It's crazy, you know,
Speaker 2: I tell you have given so much food for thought.
Speaker 2: All Lane again, please find the article Breitbart dot com
Speaker 2: Modern Life under Attack. Twenty twenty four should have been
Speaker 2: the year the West woke up to infrastructure sabotage. Oliver,
Speaker 2: enjoy our conversations. I really appreciate you coming back on
Speaker 2: in a best of or a happy New Year to
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Speaker 2: talking with you again real soon.
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