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True Murder with your host, 35 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.000 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 36 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.480 Good evening. This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 37 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.599 program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True crime 38 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.120 History and the authors that are written about them. When 39 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.120 prison inmate Robert weldins and died and left him an 40 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.640 eight point nine million trust funds Arthur and Barbara Reeve, 41 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.519 parents of murder victim Susan Reeve, acted to deprive Relvyn 42 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:08.919 of the funds that could gain him freedom on parole. 43 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:12.680 The Reeves ultimately got an unheard of ten million dollar 44 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.599 judgment against their daughter's killer, effectively stripping the man known 45 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:20.360 as America's richest inmate. Soon after Susan's murder, the Reefs 46 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.159 set up a scholarship fund in her name, and the 47 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.360 killer's money is currently used in that fund, which helps 48 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:29.479 it helps to educate young men and women. The charmer 49 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.000 embraces the hunt to bring Susan's killer to justice and 50 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.719 then the chase of a lifetime a one family determined 51 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.919 to give their slain daughter a voice decades after she 52 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.680 was silenced. The book this evening that we're going to 53 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.719 be profiling is The Charmer, The true story of Robert 54 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.879 reldn rapist, murderer, and millionaire and the women who fell 55 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.840 victim to his allure by Richard Mute and Charles Buckley. 56 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.080 And with me this evening, I have Charles Buckley on 57 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.199 the line, and thank you Charles Buckley for agreed to 58 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:01.039 this interview, and well, welcome to True Murder. 59 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:03.639 Thank you, Dan, it's a pleasure to be here. And 60 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:05.520 thanks for the invitation. 61 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:08.960 Thank you very much. And then the audience says, is 62 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.319 going to be very interested in this story. We see 63 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.319 we've had the audience is probably very familiar with people 64 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:20.080 that murder in the family, but this is much more. 65 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.919 It's got some twists in there to the usual plot. 66 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.159 So this I think the audience is really going to 67 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:30.639 enjoy this one. Now let's start off with given a 68 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:33.199 time frame for this, because this is not a crime 69 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.840 that occurred currently, you know, recently, So give us the 70 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:41.400 time frame and give us the community that Robert Reldin 71 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.639 grew up in, give us what his parents were like, 72 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.319 and tell us a little bit about the life of 73 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.680 Robert Reldin so we can really understand the character of 74 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.080 this very fascinating killer. So take us back to sort 75 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.680 of where these crimes are started in the mid seventies. 76 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.280 But let's go back to Robert Reldin and where he 77 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.120 grew up and how he grew up and what his 78 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:09.159 parents were like. Take us back to their please. 79 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:15.800 Well, Reldon grew up with a pretty steady family situation. 80 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.160 I mean, the father and mother owned a restaurant in 81 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.720 New York City. The aunt was very wealthy. There was 82 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.399 a sister, Susan, who was part of the family, and 83 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.879 there was a well put together family. There seemed to 84 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:34.800 be no reason why Robert Reldon would deviate from developing 85 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:39.759 into a fine young man. But before he was even 86 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:42.680 eighteen years old, he had gotten involved in a series 87 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:51.839 of juvenile incidents involving assaults on women, guns and cars, 88 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.120 things of that nature. He went through the juvenile system 89 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:58.639 in the state of New Jersey and several times he 90 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:04.040 was a given psychiatric treatments at the state hospitals. On 91 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.920 two occasions he was directed by the juvenile courts to 92 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.199 who they could be on probation, but he had to 93 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:14.920 under undergo psychiatric treatment on each occasion. He just went 94 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.680 once and it didn't bother to come again. His aunt 95 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:25.920 Lilian had married very well. She married Ferris Booth, who 96 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.600 was the son of one of the founders of IBM, 97 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:33.560 himself a multi millionaire. He died after approximately ten years 98 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:38.279 of their relationship, leaving her fifty million dollars. She became 99 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:40.480 one of the focal points in the family and that 100 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:45.480 she was generous with her money to the family. She 101 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.800 was extremely generous to society in terms of giving millions 102 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.279 of dollars to hospitals, to actors' homes and things of 103 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.600 that nature. And that may have been one of the 104 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.480 problems which sent Robert Reldon off on the tam that 105 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.920 ultimately resulted in two murders. He seemed to feel that 106 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:08.839 he was being short changed, that the thousand dollars gift 107 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:13.800 at Christmas time was not enough for him, the brand 108 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.879 new volkswagens he gave when he came out of prison 109 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.360 was not enough for him, because she was buying a Cadillac, 110 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:24.600 two Cadillacs every year for herself and her living friend. 111 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.959 So this disturb realvant it seemed to be on this 112 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.240 basis he developed this hatred and this was really brought 113 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.560 forth in all the psychiatric reports. There was a hatred 114 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:44.560 towards women. It just he focused on them and everyone's 115 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.439 all the psychiatrists seemed to believe. It came from this 116 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.480 built that idea of the relate, what the relationship should 117 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:58.319 be between Lilian and himself. So he just the parents 118 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:03.160 continually support him all through his criminal career. In fact, 119 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.480 you recall the case where he planned, while in state 120 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:10.319 prison to have his aunt Lillian murdered in order to 121 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.360 gain his inheritance early. 122 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.120 And well, let's not we're we're going let's let's not 123 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.439 get ahead of ourselves here for the audience, because I 124 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.199 think that we're we're we're really way fast talking about Yeah, 125 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:24.920 we're just going a little bit fast. And with this 126 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:30.680 story really really lends itself to really explaining this. Now, 127 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.560 what what you have described is that despite his upbringing, 128 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:36.639 we got to say that it wasn't just his aunt 129 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.680 that had money. His family had money. And like you say, 130 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:43.160 you were alluding to and intimating about his family supporting 131 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.480 him through even though his juvenile delinquency. It was much 132 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.240 more than that, wasn't it, Because you say that it 133 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:48.720 really was. 134 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:52.199 Money in the sense of it, like Aunt Lillian had it. 135 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.360 They were companible, their business come and everything. But there 136 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.000 were no shortages in the household. They lived close which 137 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.920 was a very nice community what's called the Northern Valley 138 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.319 area of Bergen County, middle class home. No problems that 139 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.240 anyone could was aware of. But Relvyn just started on 140 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:19.879 this course of juvenile activities, breaking into homes, stealing cars, 141 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.800 stealing tires, which I said, as I said, ended up 142 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:29.079 continued problems with the juvenile court system of New Jersey. 143 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:35.919 He ultimately was convicted in New York. Happened in New York. 144 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:41.639 He was arrested for a theft of an automobile. Now, 145 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.720 they didn't want to waste the time in New York 146 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:49.600 on this peanut charge, but he had this ongoing juvenile 147 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:53.039 probation in New York State. So what they did was 148 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.679 they sentenced him under that violation probation to three years 149 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:02.120 in the prison in New York State. He served his time, 150 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.120 got out of Great Meadows, which where He's served his time, 151 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:10.080 and within a month he sexually assaulted a woman in 152 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.679 Fort Lee and that was the beginning really of his 153 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:21.879 adult criminal activities. He then got down to Florida, committed 154 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:26.240 two crimes, two minor crimes down there, and then came 155 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.559 back to North Arlington, back New Jersey, was arrested. Now 156 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:36.000 we're in nineteen sixty three. Now just back the assault 157 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.759 on marine here Hernandez was a month after his parole. 158 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:44.360 The two crimes in Florida were in December of sixty 159 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:50.799 to sixty two and January sixty three. In December nineteen 160 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.480 sixty three, he's arrested for about ten various crimes in 161 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:59.200 New York State and in New Jersey. So I mean 162 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:04.279 he really had been He's done to accumulate criminal episodes 163 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.200 his life, all the time living at home when he 164 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.840 wasn't in jail and being supported by his family. 165 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.799 But it wasn't just a matter of theft though, because 166 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.279 like you say, there's a rape, there is this added 167 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:18.399 and we'll talk about it later. When he talks about 168 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.480 to people that later informed the police about his attitude 169 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.919 about women, there's a particular joke that he says about 170 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.720 what one pedophile would say to another, it really is 171 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.600 an indication of the psychopathic mind. I know it's maybe 172 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.360 a cliche, but this guy at a very early age, 173 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.600 maybe fifteen or so, really shows all those tendencies towards 174 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:44.039 very home engageing's sexual assault, you know, theft for no reason. 175 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.360 Really doesn't need the money that much. It's not really 176 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.120 he's not poor or anything. No, there seems to be. 177 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.360 So it really seems to be a portrait of a 178 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.320 psychopathic killer that keeps accelerating, and his ego is incredible, 179 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.039 and of course he's narcissistic and it gets in his way. Ultimately, 180 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.039 it's a very interesting story. So by the time, tell 181 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.120 us what age and by what age is he now 182 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:11.679 in contact with is Adam Marie Hernandez, and tell us 183 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.519 about that crime, because that's really the beginning of how 184 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:16.799 the most serious stuff he's doing. 185 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:20.279 That's his first serious criminal activity. He was born in 186 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:26.240 nineteen forty. He was he committed. He was released from 187 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:33.039 serving out the juvenile sentence for a violation of his probation. 188 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.200 He was released on January sixteenth of sixty two. Now 189 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.840 he's twenty two years old, but this was as a 190 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:46.159 juvenileist this probation was granted. Within a month, he and 191 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.600 another individual entered this home where Maria Maria Hernandez was 192 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.480 staying with her sister, and he tied her up and 193 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:03.600 started sexually assaulting her. Fortunately for Marie, the other co conspirator, 194 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.000 the other guy involved in the and to break in 195 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.360 him and told Relden to knock it off and let's 196 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.279 get on what we have to do trying to steal 197 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.639 the money. And he did stop at that time after 198 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:17.600 you know, mishandling her and touching her in an attempt 199 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.440 to begin an a sexual assault. So that was he's 200 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.080 only at that time at sixty two, he's twenty two 201 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.000 years old. He's a month out of prison. He then 202 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:29.480 runs to he leaves the state. Then I think he's 203 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.240 he's looking for to get away from the possibility to 204 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.320 make him back to haunt them, although he hadn't been 205 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.080 identified yet. And as I said, he went to Florida, 206 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.600 he went to Missouri for a while, he was in Connecticut, 207 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.840 but then he came back to New Jersey and in 208 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.879 the summer of sixty three, he's now twenty three years old, 209 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.200 he's arrested by the Closter Police carrying a gun in 210 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.919 the car. He's arrested by the North Arlington Police in 211 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.519 New Jersey for breaking and entering and striking a woman 212 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.200 with a tire iron, the resident of the house. He's 213 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:05.440 arrested by the Fort Lee Police on the Maria Hernandez assault. 214 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.720 This is almost a year later when they finally get 215 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.759 around to identifying them. So in the meantime, while all 216 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.480 this is going on in New Jersey, he is making 217 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:18.600 daily trips over the George Washington Bridge, committing a series 218 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.639 of assaults on elderly women in the Northwest area of 219 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.399 Manhattan Island, where he follows them into an elevator, and 220 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.480 this goes to his allure, his charm. He's very polite 221 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.759 your floor, he presses the elevator button for him. He 222 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.559 only gets in if there's one woman on the elevator, 223 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.440 and they are just put at ease by his manner. 224 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.360 He has this just charming way about him. Every woman 225 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:49.279 who's involved in he's as victims, talks about the initial 226 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:53.519 response to him is one of trust and confidence. And 227 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.360 what he does then, his signature is to grab them 228 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.879 by the throat, choke them, steal their pocketbook, jewelry or whatever, 229 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:04.840 get out of the elevator, press a button and send 230 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.399 them up. Well, he runs and goes and hiding, and 231 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.919 the New York police finally track him over to New 232 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:14.360 Jersey in early nineteen sixty four. That's for these nineteen 233 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.720 sixty three crimes. And the end result of all this 234 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:21.039 is he works out plea bargains all over the place, 235 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.279 and the deal is he'll plead to anything as long 236 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.000 as it doesn't involve violence or assaults on women. He 237 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:30.240 pleads to the guns in the car, he pleads the 238 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:34.559 breaking entries, and for ten crimes, for ten separate crimes, 239 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:38.720 he receives what is an effect one five year sentence, 240 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:42.559 and he does that in New York and New Jersey 241 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:46.399 just throws there their sentences doing in New York state. 242 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.519 And after all this, he's paroled in September of nineteen 243 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:53.480 sixty six, having done only two and a half years 244 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.840 for all these ten crimes. So, I mean, he's really 245 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.200 moving up the ladder very quickly. 246 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.759 Sixty how does he get the plea agreement? So who's 247 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.759 paying for the lawyers during this time? 248 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.279 And it's Aunt Lily, and it has the money. As 249 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:13.720 far as we know, he does hire the best attorneys 250 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.399 I mean he's oh, every time he's involved in the crime, 251 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:21.120 he has a quality attorney working for him, and they 252 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:25.200 do a job. I mean in New Jersey, Frank Luciani, 253 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.360 who is a very very good Bergen County attorney works 254 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.399 out this deal, which is New Jersey throws the whole 255 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:33.600 thing away and says, the five years in New York 256 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:35.559 is enough. Get out of here. We don't need want 257 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.480 to be bothered with you. So, I mean, that's how 258 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.159 he was able to move along. And he's prolled after 259 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.720 doing only two and a half years for ten crimes, 260 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:49.000 seven of which involved assaults on women, sexual assaults, some 261 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.519 non sexual, just violent robberies, things of that nature. So 262 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:54.360 he had put the. 263 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:57.480 Sorry go ahead. 264 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.559 So now he had really moved the and he's coming 265 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.480 out of jail after two and a half years in 266 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.080 September of nineteen sixty six. And in the meantime he 267 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.919 meets he goes to Florida. Now here's one of the problems. 268 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.759 He and his father do not have a very good 269 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.879 relationship his mother. He doesn't think much of his mother 270 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:20.240 because she's so easy to get over on. He just 271 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.919 she'll do whatever he wants. But he doesn't get along 272 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.799 well with his father, and he's on parole, but he 273 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.480 dance permission to go to Florida with his father, and 274 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.519 the father is thinking of starting another restaurant down there. 275 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:39.200 And he meets Judith Rosenberg and within the day she 276 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.240 says she's already fallen in love with him. And that's 277 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.320 the kind of effect he has on women. He is 278 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:52.360 just that personable, that engaging that women fall for him. 279 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.480 And she says she fell in love with him the 280 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:58.720 first day she's married. She has an abusive husband. He's 281 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:03.759 a mob all with a mob in Illinois. He can't 282 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:09.440 go with her because he's under indictment in Illinois. Reldon 283 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.160 and Judah Rosenberg become quite friendly in a very short time. 284 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.799 She goes back and her husband has found murdered in 285 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:20.680 the trunk of a car. She immediately calls Reldin and 286 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:24.319 asks him to come out and stay with her. Reldn 287 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.720 is on parole, he can't leave the state without permission. 288 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.519 He just goes immediately and leaves it without se Judas. 289 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.640 So they have in this day or so, just formed 290 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:39.079 this strong relationship. Now, this is in January of sixty seven. 291 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.799 He meets her and gets started with her now April 292 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.960 of sixty seven. Two months later is when he commits 293 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:51.160 a rape of Bernice Caplan, then tenafly in New Jersey, 294 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:55.519 and again using a chokehold he gains He gains entry 295 00:17:55.599 --> 00:18:00.599 into her house by posing as someone making a delivery 296 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.880 of cleaning material, cleaning pants, things of that nature. She 297 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:09.160 is at first leary, but being confidence built into her 298 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:12.240 by his charm and his gentle manner, she lets him 299 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.279 come into the house. Then he rapes her. I mean, 300 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:19.000 it's it's just that easy for him. He threatens to 301 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.079 kill her if she if she doesn't give in to 302 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:27.200 his demands, he threatens to kill her son if he 303 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.599 shows up. 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He sees the 338 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.359 car and he just says that that car that was 339 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:20.960 parked outside her house was was that that was Relvin's 340 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.079 car and he identified as the car which was there. 341 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.839 He goes to trial and there's a hung jury. I mean, 342 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.359 it just doesn't make any sense. But Relbyn has the 343 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:35.480 family behind them. They're in court every day. He's nice, 344 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:40.480 he smiles at the jury, acting very polite, very condescending, 345 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.160 and someone on the jury, we don't know who or 346 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.720 how many, they refuse to convict him. So now he's 347 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.960 he's he's developing this this skill in front of juries 348 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.839 that I'm a nice guy. I wouldn't do anything like this. 349 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.720 Look at my family with me, and there's a hung jury. 350 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.680 Now you know you're health. Hung juries are rare in 351 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.759 criminal cases. I mean that happens, but the general run 352 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.880 of the mill, either he's guilty or he's not guilty. 353 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.440 But here we have a hung jury. He's tried again, 354 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.279 and at this time he's convicted, fortunately, and he receives 355 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:21.599 a sentence to the prison with a mandatory a maximum 356 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:25.599 of thirty years in jail for the rape to be 357 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:29.319 too under to his time at a treatment center, not 358 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:34.839 not the the real basic prisons routine that would be 359 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.279 in place. And he comes and cut it, comes in 360 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:45.440 touch with a man who's who's the psychologist at the prison, Prendergast, 361 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.839 who almost falls in love, I mean he's under the 362 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:53.000 spell of Relben himself. And this guy starts writing parole 363 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:57.880 letters for Relvin within within three years, based on based 364 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.480 on prender gas strong earth urging to the parole board 365 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.480 that this is not a this is not a sexual pervert. 366 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.799 This crime had to do with his hatred of his aunt, 367 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:13.839 his mother, and he's ridden. Now Trey cured of that problem, 368 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.799 let him out of jail. He gets out of jail 369 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:21.680 within five months. He assaults another woman, so Blanche Mott 370 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.519 in but touching by attacking her and her carth trying 371 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.599 to rob her and possibly rape her too. So now 372 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:31.559 we're talking, you know, it's up to seventy one. He's 373 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.720 now into his third sexual assault charge. They send him 374 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:38.759 back to jail again and he stays in jail on 375 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:43.839 this initial thirty year rape charge and now he gets 376 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:48.000 five to seven years on the assault on Blanche Mott 377 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.640 in Middlesex County. But he's finally paroled in May of 378 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:56.920 nineteen seventy five, and that takes us up to everything 379 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.839 up to before the murders. 380 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.880 Now, before we go any further, you have an excellent 381 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.599 photo You've chosen to just have basically the title of 382 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.200 the book, and then the and then the mugshot basically 383 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.240 of Richard. Pardon me, that's the rape. So that was 384 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.400 the rape of rest Yeah, okay, oh for me? Okay, 385 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.960 So now tell us what he looks like, because this 386 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:24.599 is what the audience doesn't know. What does he look like? 387 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:25.240 What is this? 388 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.400 What's his hair style? Well? How can he get it 389 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.480 over with all these people he's wooing the psychologist? Obviously 390 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:33.559 he's an intelligent guy, and tell us that you haven't 391 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:35.599 I was going to ask that question. He's an intelligent guy, 392 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.799 but given he's a pretty bright guy. But tell us 393 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.519 what is Yeah, tell us about that, But tell us 394 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.519 what he looks like. Describe his weight, his height, his build, 395 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.839 his hair. How should this guy charm all these women 396 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:51.119 and almost everybody he comes across. 397 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:56.319 Well, he's he's six foot sixty one, clean shaven for 398 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.400 most of his life. I don't remember ever seeing any 399 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:01.480 picture or anything where he has any hair, facial hair, He 400 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.519 has a nice brown brown hair that he you know, 401 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:11.039