WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.360 Welcome to spacing out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:11.320 covering Foundation season two episode nine, Long Ago, Not Far Away. 3 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:16.519 Welcome to spacey Now. 4 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:20.280 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:24.280 Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a 6 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:27.199 time and spoiler free. This is our first time watching 7 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:30.719 the series. We haven't seen the finale of season two, 8 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.719 so we have no spoilers for that. In this episode, 9 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.119 Dusk and Joiner Rue learned Demerzo's origin and true purpose, 10 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.600 Helen's plans for Gaale take a dark turn, and on 11 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.880 Terminus Day, confronts doctor Seldyn. Yep, that makes it sound 12 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:49.280 like a really simple episode, but it was action packed. 13 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:56.159 Yes, vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? 14 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:58.119 I liked it. 15 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:01.359 It was good, good, is very excited. It had like 16 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:05.560 finale vibe, you know, like everything coming to a head. Yeah, 17 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.439 so I'm excited for the next one. But yeah, it 18 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.760 was good. All the storylines were firing on all cylinders. 19 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:12.439 Yeah. 20 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:13.680 And it was funny at times too. 21 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:15.799 Yeah. Well parts were funny to you. 22 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.480 With Demersal said to Today's like you're just a sperm 23 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.159 on your tail or something. 24 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:25.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're just a sperm who's convinced the 25 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:32.079 confusing spontaneity with creativity or something like that. Oh, she 26 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:36.560 was so burning him because Harry Selden Plant. Are we 27 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.640 ready to talk Let's choice? It was funny, yes, yes, okay, 28 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:42.519 because I want to talk about that, but I want 29 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:43.959 to talk about demersal a lot. 30 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:45.840 Let's get through the trivia first. 31 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:52.480 Okay, trivia time. What facts or news could we uncovered 32 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:54.239 for Long Ago Not Far Away? 33 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.799 It is Foundation season two, episode nine, Long Ago Not 34 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.719 Far Away. It's originally aired on September eighth, twenty twenty three. 35 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.599 Written by Jane Espenson and Eric Carrasco and directed by 36 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.280 rock Stane Dawson. So they tell the Empire that they 37 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.439 never bothered with the Encyclopedia Galactica, but that was also 38 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.240 something that was funny. Yeah, he wanted to get what 39 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.159 he paid for. So in the books, they did continue 40 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.560 working on the encyclopedia, just kind of like as a 41 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:24.240 side project in the background, and the occasionally referenced it. 42 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.159 But apparently in this world, because they never bothered with it. 43 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.879 They refocus their energy. It seems the. 44 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.280 Empire's like I pre ordered his book, so cleon the 45 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.080 first knows about Earth and presumably that it was the 46 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.520 homeworld of humanity, and in the books, this knowledge has 47 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:42.840 been lost by the time of Harry Selden and the 48 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.159 stories being told. I do have a little bit more 49 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.199 to say about that, but I think it might be 50 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:49.840 spoilery for what's to come in the series. So I 51 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.560 was thinking, next episode might do like a book talk 52 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:53.840 spoiler section. 53 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.759 Oh, I like that. You know I love spoilers. 54 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.000 I know you do. And also on the book, so 55 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.520 throughout the series, the thirds mentioned of the Robot War, 56 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.719 in which all the robots were supposedly destroyed. Originally in 57 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:08.960 Asimov's works is his Robot series as a Galactic Empire 58 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:11.680 series and the Foundation series, and they were all separate, 59 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.919 and then when he started writing more stories in the eighties, 60 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.039 he decided to tie them all together and bring the 61 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.800 world together. And Demerzal appears to be based on a 62 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.360 character called Danil from the Robot series of books, which 63 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:26.680 I do not know about. So anyone listening to this 64 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:31.000 probably knew this week's ago, but we're recording in advance 65 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.120 of when we're releasing this, so we just found out. 66 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.879 The Foundation season three were released on July eleventh on 67 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:41.000 Apple TV, and is slated for another run of ten episodes. 68 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.560 It was season two kind of building up to a 69 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:45.560 climax here, I'm getting kind of excited for it. 70 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.840 Yeah, they've done really good since season one, so I 71 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.000 hope they keep this momentum going. 72 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.919 Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts 73 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.680 on the episode. Share your thoughts with us through email 74 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.120 or social media. We may use your comments on an 75 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:06.199 upcoming episode. 76 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.960 All right, it's time we start off with getting some 77 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.759 backstory on Demersal, A story long ago, not. 78 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:18.879 Story of a prisoner captain a chamber for five thousand years, 79 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:22.959 and then when she thinks she's got freedom, they're like, nah, 80 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.959 we're going to put you back together, but you're going 81 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.800 to continue staying in this cage until I'm an old man, 82 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.279 and then I'm going to devise a way to control 83 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:34.079 you so you'll never be free. How horrible. It kind 84 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:38.199 of makes you hate Empires so much more. Yeah, and 85 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.199 you have a lot of sympathy for Demersal now because 86 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.079 at first you're like, why is this bitch like serving him? 87 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.199 Like she's just obviously choosing to be here, But now 88 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:48.680 we know that is not the case. 89 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.279 Yeah, and I'm not one hundred percent clear like how 90 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.240 much autonomy she has. I mean, she's definitely like steering 91 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:56.920 a lot of things from within the empire. 92 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.439 Yeah, but she's also like not able to leave. 93 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.720 Yeah, she's not allowed to do anything else. 94 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:07.040 Like she's forced to sit there and watch these fucking 95 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.600 assholes ruin the universe and she thought her pussy could 96 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:17.399 control them, but apparently not so. 97 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.000 Yeah, I don't know. I'd like I thought she was 98 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.319 getting set up to be the villain, like the bigger 99 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.839 villain does behind the scenes, and now it's like, I 100 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:25.120 don't know. 101 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.920 She's a victim of empire, she's a victim of colonization, 102 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:34.279 she's a prisoner of war. She's so many things now 103 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:38.079 that make her way more interesting. Not that she wasn't 104 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.480 already interesting, because she's a fucking robot who has been 105 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.759 alive for like a millennia. But I love that she 106 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.920 just like rage quit after fucking Harry Selden like pulled 107 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:52.800 the curtain back and she's like He's like, what's important here? 108 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.399 Power or longevity? And it clicked for her. It's like 109 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.560 she was kind of like just going along with it. 110 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:05.120 See what happened but when Selden kind of cleared things 111 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:07.680 up for her, saying like, why are you here, girl? 112 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.600 You've served like hundreds of these towrps and none of 113 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.920 them have given you any of the fucking like dudes 114 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:21.199 that you are rightfully due. And she finally snapped rightfully 115 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.839 like she she was like, you're just an idiot with 116 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:25.600 nowhere to go. 117 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.519 Yeah, so I'm I'm really curious, Like what was she 118 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.600 about to do, because she's just like, you know, I 119 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.759 have to go do something else and get away from 120 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.600 me a little sperm. But like she turning on Empire, 121 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:39.720 she she doesn't have the uh what that. 122 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.040 Thing called tessarak or whatever? What's a tzarak? 123 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:53.000 That's a marvel. Oh, but she doesn't have that that mcguffin, No, they. 124 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:55.839 We're looking for it all all season. I like that 125 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.040 he just gave it away so freely. 126 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.680 Right, so he wanted her to take it. She doesn't 127 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.160 have it right now, pretty sure Empire still has it. 128 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.439 You don't know that it could be on their ship. Yeah, 129 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.399 he's such a bitch. And then when he was smiling 130 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:09.720 at the end, but. 131 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:12.879 I hated it, Yeah, Like I don't think we had 132 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:17.519 any hope of redemption for this specifically on in particular, 133 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:19.839 but like definitely not after this episode. 134 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.839 Yeah, he does have really nice teeth though, Yeah, well 135 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:23.720 and pecks. 136 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.279 They probably programmed those in his genetics. 137 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:30.360 He imagined they did it, and every time he was 138 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.439 born again, he had to have like orthodonics like in 139 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:38.160 the middle. Oh, that'd be great. 140 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.439 No, the Merza is just like, let's make the pex 141 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.399 a little bigger this time. Yeah. Also, in that flashback, 142 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.160 we saw her shed a tear, which is interesting that 143 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:48.920 she can do that. 144 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.120 She said she shed tears for the guy who tortured her. 145 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:55.639 She's like, I produced tears because I knew they meant 146 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.600 something to him because he was sadistic. And I mean, 147 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:03.000 she's able to lubricate her vaginal canal for entry, so 148 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.639 why wouldn't she be able to cry. She also eats. 149 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.279 I'm pretty sure I've seen her eat, right, haven't I 150 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.360 haven't I seen her sitting at a table with them? 151 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:12.319 Or am I crazy? 152 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.439 I do not recall her eating? Does the mercill eat? 153 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.959 Not getting an answer, but yeah, she has a lot 154 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.399 of Oh. 155 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:23.720 No, they never show her eating. Sorry, go ahead. 156 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:27.839 She talked a lot about freedom and how like even 157 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.240 though he's making her more free. He's like, this is 158 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:33.159 not freedom. She almost seems more distressed to be in 159 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.519 the servitude than chilling in that basement. 160 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:38.320 Yeah, well she got used to being in that basement, 161 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:38.600 you know. 162 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:43.840 Yeah. She also told the story of the Empire, who 163 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.279 was like, like the memory erase your stuff with them 164 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.799 having sex with the women. I'm like, did she Is 165 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:50.559 she the origin of them doing that? Now? 166 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:51.279 Probably? 167 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:55.159 Yeah? But then so when we cut back to Dusk 168 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.759 and Rue down there hearing the story, they get locked 169 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:59.000 in that cell that she was in. 170 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.759 Yeah, that's sucks. They're stuck. I don't mind the Empire 171 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.399 being in there, but that other lady, she's you know, 172 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.799 she didn't do nothing. Yeah, I wonder what that's gonna 173 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:11.720 lead to. Dang, I really want to see another episode. 174 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.679 And we did not see Don and. 175 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.480 The Young Empress, yeah or Empress to be. 176 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:20.759 We saw a version of Don, but not our current one. 177 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:25.840 It's a pretty good like show today. I don't know 178 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.759 when just getting that backstory was so good, Like her 179 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.840 watching this little kid come in and not do anything 180 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.120 to help her, knowing he could do something. Yeah, and 181 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.519 didn't that just tell her this is a bad person. 182 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.559 She should have snapped his neck right when she got out, 183 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.840 she hesitated, and now she's paying for it. Was like 184 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:52.080 centuries worths of servitude some dick who destroys planets for fun. 185 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.360 I bet she's gonna figure out a way to be 186 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:55.360 able to snap his neck. 187 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.639 I think she's probably gonna plan a coup or something, 188 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.279 or she's gonna like marry the little one off to 189 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.480 the empress. Well, he's busy playing war at the outer 190 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.720 reach or whatever they call it. But I'm glad she 191 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.720 gave up on him. That's super powerful, you know that 192 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.120 move to call him like a useless seamen or sperm. 193 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.279 Yeah, so brother Day is on terminus, which we haven't 194 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.679 spent a lot of time there this season. No. No, 195 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.799 I love how he's like we paid for an encyclopedia. 196 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.879 I like that their church is an armory, best use. 197 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.399 Of church in a while, And it was a church 198 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:36.039 of scientism or something like that. Yeah, So, like I 199 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.720 don't think it's like trying to be misleading. I think 200 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.759 like the science is their religion. 201 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.639 So do you think they work for free because they 202 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.759 could have just taken the day off when they saw 203 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.279 empire at the door. Just saying like that was really 204 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.759 stupid for them to all still be there, like working 205 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.399 on stuff. I wonder how that works, like working at 206 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.440 the factory. What's the compensation or do you have to 207 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.000 pay to work there? The arms at the church or whatever. 208 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.519 I don't know. It seemed like very assembly line like. 209 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.279 But the church catches Empire's eye is being a busy place. 210 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.360 And once he's done there, then Harry Seldon's little vault 211 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.320 catches his eye. He just keeps going towards these shiny. 212 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:22.559 Things, most of them phallic if you notice. Yeah, but 213 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.799 Harry Selden shows himself and he's like, hey, boo, you 214 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:27.440 want to meet with me, let's talk. 215 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:29.679 Yeah. I think it's the first time these two have 216 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.519 shared screen time since the first episode. 217 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.679 Yeah, since you've basically exiled him. Yeah, and he's still 218 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:41.440 on it. He's like, prove it's not real, Like, bitch, 219 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.279 you have all these years to think about it and 220 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:49.919 see what's happening. You know, Empire is dwindling. You're doing 221 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:53.039 a Hail Mary and getting married to a cloud princess, 222 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.320 which sounds like something out of Mario. 223 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.559 And the fact that these planets on the outskirts are 224 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.240 like you're losing them and you don't even know what's 225 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.080 going on out here. Terminus like, yeah, like your grasps 226 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:06.840 in your reach has been shrinking. 227 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.840 Yeah, bro, and everybody's got a fucking shield or whatever. 228 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.960 That bracelet thing, everyone's got one around here. You ain't special. 229 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.279 That was my favorite. He was big mad when he 230 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:24.159 saw those. Yeah, and he's like, you're selling these No, 231 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:31.519 we're giving them away. That was so iconic just for that, 232 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:36.080 I like the church. And then when he's like, even 233 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.480 I empire never proposed myself as a god, and Carrie's like, 234 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:46.720 I beg to different, but okay, a matter of perspective, Yeah, 235 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.279 I can't believe he didn't take the offer to learn 236 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.159 how to use that thing, to show Demersol how to 237 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.799 use that. With her knowledge and her position and knowing 238 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:02.320 like the next event or anything like that, she she's 239 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:06.440 capable of doing something about it. If you could tell. 240 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:08.679 She kind of was like, yeah, do do it. 241 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.519 Well, he did take it, so, but how. 242 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.799 Is she gonna like figure out the turn turn tap tap? 243 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:20.000 She's super smart. She got robot brains, shot robot brains. 244 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:24.120 And then there's you know, another one of those out 245 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.440 there that we also got a space battle. Yeah, we 246 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:30.639 really haven't had that in this show. It's like we 247 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:34.399 were back watching Battle Star Galactica. I think the graphics 248 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:38.240 are a little better. What take that back? 249 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:39.720 I said it. 250 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:40.840 I don't know. 251 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.000 Uh, the battle was interesting. So we find Hobo Mellow 252 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:50.159 and I don't remember her name. It's not important. Hobo 253 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.240 does don't even know it yet. Has he learned her 254 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:52.759 name yet? 255 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:53.159 Yeah? 256 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:56.720 He knows it now, it's constant. Anyway, they're already in 257 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.399 another little jail and they're bonding over their jail experience. 258 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.320 Yeah, he rest heed, he just long enough to have 259 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:06.759 sex and then get locked up again. 260 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.360 And then the general comes in. He's like, why did 261 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:13.879 you do it? Stupid man? And he's like it was love, 262 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.039 wasn't it? And I think part of him kind of 263 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.440 understood that. I feel bad for the General in this episode, 264 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:22.919 don't you. Yeah, it's so sad he had to kill 265 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:27.440 his spouse, but like I don't know, like to what end, 266 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:29.480 or if he wasn't going to do it, somebody else 267 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.919 would have put in the order, because Empire is Empire 268 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:33.960 in this moment. 269 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.919 Right, So it's not like he has any thing Like 270 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:38.840 if he said no, then like, well, no one knows 271 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:40.000 how to do it or anything like. 272 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.720 Yeah, well no, and then like, also, the general hasn't 273 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:48.240 been manning this ship long enough to really have loyalty, 274 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.360 you know what I mean, Like, there's no way that 275 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.120 there could be a mutiny against Empire in this situation. 276 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.399 And he's alone, he doesn't have his partner with him. 277 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.720 If he was with his partner, it might be something else. 278 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:04.799 But his partner encouraged him to pull the trigger, so 279 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:07.799 to speak. I thought it was really lovely that they 280 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.519 had their last moments, but I thought it was awkward 281 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.799 that he was just kind of whispering in the corner 282 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.200 over there. It's like, what are you doing? Just pull 283 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:17.840 the trigger. I gave you an order. 284 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.480 Yeah, moments like that, I'm always like, like, Empire is 285 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:24.720 like yelling at you to do this now, but he's 286 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:26.679 going to give you, you know, a couple of minutes 287 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.600 to whisper, have a little conversation. I'm going to sit 288 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:33.600 back here feuding silently until it's my turn to speak again. Yeah. 289 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.879 But yeah, first I was bum that we were killing 290 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.080 one of our gay characters, and I was relieved that 291 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.240 he was still alive, and then it was even more sad. 292 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:48.360 Yeah, it's the Hollywood trope of queer relationships where there's 293 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:52.559 always being gay is always punished by death in Hollywood, 294 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:57.279 and this unfortunately followed that model to a t. The 295 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:02.240 tragic gay character lives on. It's really upsetting. Yeah, I 296 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:07.600 really wanted them to band together with a religious people 297 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.200 and take down empire right there and then, and like 298 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.159 just at least his throat to feel something again, because 299 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.080 they're gonna print out another one anyway. 300 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:17.799 Yep. 301 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.639 So it would have been nice to like have a 302 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.559 little victory, a little bit, a little bit of revenge 303 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.519 because that guy was in that prison planet for fucking 304 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.279 how long without seeing his spouse and he finally got 305 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.080 to be with him, and he had to be at 306 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.559 work most of the time. Yeah, that really sucks. 307 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.720 It does. And I don't know. I was like, maybe 308 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.919 there's still time for something that happened to stop this, 309 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:46.600 but I don't know what it could be. Like they 310 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.799 don't have time travel or anything, so it seems like 311 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.360 that chip's about to hit the surface. 312 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.240 And it's just done, like you saw the planet collapsing 313 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:00.320 on itself. It's still upsetting, but like he had somebody 314 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.720 on that planet that he really cared about, and that 315 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.119 one moment where he heard his voice and he's like, 316 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.519 oh my god, we lost contact. I thought you were 317 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.039 a Gonner and I has to agree from twice yep. 318 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.920 Oh so sad. Now I'm like conflicted on who should 319 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.599 be the one to kill empire. 320 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.400 Somebody takes that chip out of her girl, although the 321 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:25.279 Cloud Princess is like a strong second. But yeah, there's 322 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:25.759 a list. 323 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.960 Yeah, anyway, on another planet another time. 324 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:31.640 I think maybe we don't know. 325 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.799 I think we learned that last time. Right, they're like 326 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.880 a little bit earlier in the timeline, but something. 327 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.480 Hobo Mellow somehow confused everything. 328 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.359 Yeah, he's he somehow ties us all together. We have 329 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.559 Salvor Hardened come to the rescue, interrupting. 330 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:50.039 Their mind meld. 331 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.640 Yeah, their mind meld has to give Gail a good slap. 332 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:56.319 That's always iconic. 333 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.160 Yeah, get a hold of yourself, woman, Like there's no 334 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:01.839 way this cliche slaps and work. Oh does okay? 335 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.640 And then she's like fighting and all of a sudden 336 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.440 it starts raining and then it's super muddy. Oh. I 337 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.200 hated that they didn't. 338 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.039 Have to doup. 339 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.720 And like, let me just say, this planet never had 340 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:20.079 any rain before this. They've been like kind of not 341 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.160 perfect days, but there's been no rainy days. 342 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.680 Yeah, it's been chilling at the beach. 343 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:28.839 Yeah. So like all of a sudden, now that we 344 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:33.279 have a fight scene between two black actors, they have 345 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:34.519 to be covered in mud. 346 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:36.720 Why, Well sometimes he was white. 347 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.039 Right, sometimes it was her white boyfriend. 348 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:44.200 Yeah, And honestly, I feel like that was emotionally impacting 349 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.920 her more than it should have because she knows the 350 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:47.839 trick at this point. 351 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:52.279 But it's still like she still loves that visual I 352 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.359 think she's a very visual person. But you're right, but 353 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.799 she got to act, so that's good. She does have 354 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.240 the acting skills to look distraught. 355 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.960 I wrote down, foresight is wasted on you can't remember 356 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:05.559 who said that? 357 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:09.400 Was it? Tell him the which woman? Yeah, on Gail. 358 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.920 But then Gail shows her the mule and she's like 359 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:12.720 freaked out. 360 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.079 Yeah, another mule sighting. 361 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:20.240 Not a mule sighting? When is this mule coming into play? 362 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.680 That was good. That was clever, like because she took 363 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.880 Gail to that place that she was so afraid of, 364 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.960 but she knew that he was there and she could 365 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:29.319 use that. 366 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:31.960 Yeah, she knew that that would scare her too. 367 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.759 Very clever. And then once salv War's in the ship 368 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:37.680 and tell him kind of has the upper hand on 369 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.559 both of them. There's Harry Selden again, somehow not dead 370 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.480 or brought back to life again. I guess we're going 371 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:45.880 to figure that out next episode. 372 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.960 Next episode, we're going to figure out if he's immortal, 373 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:53.680 which defeats the purpose of becoming human. By the way, 374 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:55.839 do you think he's just really good at playing dead 375 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.240 because when he was a little kid, he was a weirdo. 376 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.119 He's somehow you had like him in that pool drowning 377 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:03.880 was the projection? 378 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.559 Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Or like he's like Gail, Like they 379 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.799 didn't show the takes or the him spending all that 380 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:17.240 time in the pool swimming next to her, you know, 381 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.119 when they were in that ship and she would just 382 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.400 always be swimming, and she taught him how to hold 383 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.480 his breast. No, no, because that would be an awesome 384 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.319 flashback if they could do it. Just wanted to Harry 385 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.759 Selden like fucking just smoke in those laps. 386 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.480 You have any other thoughts on this episode? 387 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.880 Um? I can't think of any. She like it was 388 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.640 really interesting. A lot of shit happened. 389 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:50.000 Yeah, continuously engaging and they would cut between the storylines 390 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.079 and it's just like a not a Dole moment. 391 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.200 Yeah, And the characters are developing in a way that's 392 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:00.559 very like likable somehow, Like I really like Demros now, 393 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.079 like I can see where she was going with her seduction, 394 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.319 because initially I was like, this is nasty. Yeah, this 395 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.960 is fucking gross, bro. And now that I know she's 396 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.519 an ancient bean trying to influence a dumb man into 397 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:22.480 becoming a better person, I kind of get that. But still, dude, 398 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.160 I don't know, but uh, we'll see, we'll see. 399 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:28.440 Yeah. So, I mean, we had a really rough time 400 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:31.240 with season one and we were pretty uncertain it's to 401 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.000