Speaker 1: Welcome to spacing out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season two episode nine, Long Ago, Not Far Away.
Speaker 2: Welcome to spacey Now.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a
Speaker 3: time and spoiler free. This is our first time watching
Speaker 3: the series. We haven't seen the finale of season two,
Speaker 3: so we have no spoilers for that. In this episode,
Speaker 3: Dusk and Joiner Rue learned Demerzo's origin and true purpose,
Speaker 3: Helen's plans for Gaale take a dark turn, and on
Speaker 3: Terminus Day, confronts doctor Seldyn. Yep, that makes it sound
Speaker 3: like a really simple episode, but it was action packed.
Speaker 1: Yes, vibe check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 3: It was good, good, is very excited. It had like
Speaker 3: finale vibe, you know, like everything coming to a head. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm excited for the next one. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was good. All the storylines were firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was funny at times too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well parts were funny to you.
Speaker 3: With Demersal said to Today's like you're just a sperm
Speaker 3: on your tail or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're just a sperm who's convinced the
Speaker 2: confusing spontaneity with creativity or something like that. Oh, she
Speaker 2: was so burning him because Harry Selden Plant. Are we
Speaker 2: ready to talk Let's choice? It was funny, yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: because I want to talk about that, but I want
Speaker 2: to talk about demersal a lot.
Speaker 3: Let's get through the trivia first.
Speaker 1: Okay, trivia time. What facts or news could we uncovered
Speaker 1: for Long Ago Not Far Away?
Speaker 3: It is Foundation season two, episode nine, Long Ago Not
Speaker 3: Far Away. It's originally aired on September eighth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Written by Jane Espenson and Eric Carrasco and directed by
Speaker 3: rock Stane Dawson. So they tell the Empire that they
Speaker 3: never bothered with the Encyclopedia Galactica, but that was also
Speaker 3: something that was funny. Yeah, he wanted to get what
Speaker 3: he paid for. So in the books, they did continue
Speaker 3: working on the encyclopedia, just kind of like as a
Speaker 3: side project in the background, and the occasionally referenced it.
Speaker 3: But apparently in this world, because they never bothered with it.
Speaker 2: They refocus their energy. It seems the.
Speaker 3: Empire's like I pre ordered his book, so cleon the
Speaker 3: first knows about Earth and presumably that it was the
Speaker 3: homeworld of humanity, and in the books, this knowledge has
Speaker 3: been lost by the time of Harry Selden and the
Speaker 3: stories being told. I do have a little bit more
Speaker 3: to say about that, but I think it might be
Speaker 3: spoilery for what's to come in the series. So I
Speaker 3: was thinking, next episode might do like a book talk
Speaker 3: spoiler section.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like that. You know I love spoilers.
Speaker 3: I know you do. And also on the book, so
Speaker 3: throughout the series, the thirds mentioned of the Robot War,
Speaker 3: in which all the robots were supposedly destroyed. Originally in
Speaker 3: Asimov's works is his Robot series as a Galactic Empire
Speaker 3: series and the Foundation series, and they were all separate,
Speaker 3: and then when he started writing more stories in the eighties,
Speaker 3: he decided to tie them all together and bring the
Speaker 3: world together. And Demerzal appears to be based on a
Speaker 3: character called Danil from the Robot series of books, which
Speaker 3: I do not know about. So anyone listening to this
Speaker 3: probably knew this week's ago, but we're recording in advance
Speaker 3: of when we're releasing this, so we just found out.
Speaker 3: The Foundation season three were released on July eleventh on
Speaker 3: Apple TV, and is slated for another run of ten episodes.
Speaker 3: It was season two kind of building up to a
Speaker 3: climax here, I'm getting kind of excited for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done really good since season one, so I
Speaker 2: hope they keep this momentum going.
Speaker 1: Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
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Speaker 3: All right, it's time we start off with getting some
Speaker 3: backstory on Demersal, A story long ago, not.
Speaker 2: Story of a prisoner captain a chamber for five thousand years,
Speaker 2: and then when she thinks she's got freedom, they're like, nah,
Speaker 2: we're going to put you back together, but you're going
Speaker 2: to continue staying in this cage until I'm an old man,
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to devise a way to control
Speaker 2: you so you'll never be free. How horrible. It kind
Speaker 2: of makes you hate Empires so much more. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you have a lot of sympathy for Demersal now because
Speaker 2: at first you're like, why is this bitch like serving him?
Speaker 2: Like she's just obviously choosing to be here, But now
Speaker 2: we know that is not the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not one hundred percent clear like how
Speaker 3: much autonomy she has. I mean, she's definitely like steering
Speaker 3: a lot of things from within the empire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's also like not able to leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not allowed to do anything else.
Speaker 2: Like she's forced to sit there and watch these fucking
Speaker 2: assholes ruin the universe and she thought her pussy could
Speaker 2: control them, but apparently not so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'd like I thought she was
Speaker 3: getting set up to be the villain, like the bigger
Speaker 3: villain does behind the scenes, and now it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: She's a victim of empire, she's a victim of colonization,
Speaker 2: she's a prisoner of war. She's so many things now
Speaker 2: that make her way more interesting. Not that she wasn't
Speaker 2: already interesting, because she's a fucking robot who has been
Speaker 2: alive for like a millennia. But I love that she
Speaker 2: just like rage quit after fucking Harry Selden like pulled
Speaker 2: the curtain back and she's like He's like, what's important here?
Speaker 2: Power or longevity? And it clicked for her. It's like
Speaker 2: she was kind of like just going along with it.
Speaker 2: See what happened but when Selden kind of cleared things
Speaker 2: up for her, saying like, why are you here, girl?
Speaker 2: You've served like hundreds of these towrps and none of
Speaker 2: them have given you any of the fucking like dudes
Speaker 2: that you are rightfully due. And she finally snapped rightfully
Speaker 2: like she she was like, you're just an idiot with
Speaker 2: nowhere to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm I'm really curious, Like what was she
Speaker 3: about to do, because she's just like, you know, I
Speaker 3: have to go do something else and get away from
Speaker 3: me a little sperm. But like she turning on Empire,
Speaker 3: she she doesn't have the uh what that.
Speaker 2: Thing called tessarak or whatever? What's a tzarak?
Speaker 3: That's a marvel. Oh, but she doesn't have that that mcguffin, No, they.
Speaker 2: We're looking for it all all season. I like that
Speaker 2: he just gave it away so freely.
Speaker 3: Right, so he wanted her to take it. She doesn't
Speaker 3: have it right now, pretty sure Empire still has it.
Speaker 2: You don't know that it could be on their ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's such a bitch. And then when he was smiling
Speaker 2: at the end, but.
Speaker 3: I hated it, Yeah, Like I don't think we had
Speaker 3: any hope of redemption for this specifically on in particular,
Speaker 3: but like definitely not after this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does have really nice teeth though, Yeah, well
Speaker 2: and pecks.
Speaker 3: They probably programmed those in his genetics.
Speaker 2: He imagined they did it, and every time he was
Speaker 2: born again, he had to have like orthodonics like in
Speaker 2: the middle. Oh, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: No, the Merza is just like, let's make the pex
Speaker 3: a little bigger this time. Yeah. Also, in that flashback,
Speaker 3: we saw her shed a tear, which is interesting that
Speaker 3: she can do that.
Speaker 2: She said she shed tears for the guy who tortured her.
Speaker 2: She's like, I produced tears because I knew they meant
Speaker 2: something to him because he was sadistic. And I mean,
Speaker 2: she's able to lubricate her vaginal canal for entry, so
Speaker 2: why wouldn't she be able to cry. She also eats.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I've seen her eat, right, haven't I
Speaker 2: haven't I seen her sitting at a table with them?
Speaker 2: Or am I crazy?
Speaker 3: I do not recall her eating? Does the mercill eat?
Speaker 3: Not getting an answer, but yeah, she has a lot
Speaker 3: of Oh.
Speaker 2: No, they never show her eating. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: She talked a lot about freedom and how like even
Speaker 3: though he's making her more free. He's like, this is
Speaker 3: not freedom. She almost seems more distressed to be in
Speaker 3: the servitude than chilling in that basement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she got used to being in that basement,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. She also told the story of the Empire, who
Speaker 3: was like, like the memory erase your stuff with them
Speaker 3: having sex with the women. I'm like, did she Is
Speaker 3: she the origin of them doing that? Now?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But then so when we cut back to Dusk
Speaker 3: and Rue down there hearing the story, they get locked
Speaker 3: in that cell that she was in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sucks. They're stuck. I don't mind the Empire
Speaker 2: being in there, but that other lady, she's you know,
Speaker 2: she didn't do nothing. Yeah, I wonder what that's gonna
Speaker 2: lead to. Dang, I really want to see another episode.
Speaker 3: And we did not see Don and.
Speaker 2: The Young Empress, yeah or Empress to be.
Speaker 3: We saw a version of Don, but not our current one.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good like show today. I don't know
Speaker 2: when just getting that backstory was so good, Like her
Speaker 2: watching this little kid come in and not do anything
Speaker 2: to help her, knowing he could do something. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: didn't that just tell her this is a bad person.
Speaker 2: She should have snapped his neck right when she got out,
Speaker 2: she hesitated, and now she's paying for it. Was like
Speaker 2: centuries worths of servitude some dick who destroys planets for fun.
Speaker 3: I bet she's gonna figure out a way to be
Speaker 3: able to snap his neck.
Speaker 2: I think she's probably gonna plan a coup or something,
Speaker 2: or she's gonna like marry the little one off to
Speaker 2: the empress. Well, he's busy playing war at the outer
Speaker 2: reach or whatever they call it. But I'm glad she
Speaker 2: gave up on him. That's super powerful, you know that
Speaker 2: move to call him like a useless seamen or sperm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so brother Day is on terminus, which we haven't
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time there this season. No. No,
Speaker 3: I love how he's like we paid for an encyclopedia.
Speaker 2: I like that their church is an armory, best use.
Speaker 3: Of church in a while, And it was a church
Speaker 3: of scientism or something like that. Yeah, So, like I
Speaker 3: don't think it's like trying to be misleading. I think
Speaker 3: like the science is their religion.
Speaker 2: So do you think they work for free because they
Speaker 2: could have just taken the day off when they saw
Speaker 2: empire at the door. Just saying like that was really
Speaker 2: stupid for them to all still be there, like working
Speaker 2: on stuff. I wonder how that works, like working at
Speaker 2: the factory. What's the compensation or do you have to
Speaker 2: pay to work there? The arms at the church or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It seemed like very assembly line like.
Speaker 3: But the church catches Empire's eye is being a busy place.
Speaker 3: And once he's done there, then Harry Seldon's little vault
Speaker 3: catches his eye. He just keeps going towards these shiny.
Speaker 2: Things, most of them phallic if you notice. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: Harry Selden shows himself and he's like, hey, boo, you
Speaker 2: want to meet with me, let's talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's the first time these two have
Speaker 3: shared screen time since the first episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, since you've basically exiled him. Yeah, and he's still
Speaker 2: on it. He's like, prove it's not real, Like, bitch,
Speaker 2: you have all these years to think about it and
Speaker 2: see what's happening. You know, Empire is dwindling. You're doing
Speaker 2: a Hail Mary and getting married to a cloud princess,
Speaker 2: which sounds like something out of Mario.
Speaker 3: And the fact that these planets on the outskirts are
Speaker 3: like you're losing them and you don't even know what's
Speaker 3: going on out here. Terminus like, yeah, like your grasps
Speaker 3: in your reach has been shrinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, and everybody's got a fucking shield or whatever.
Speaker 2: That bracelet thing, everyone's got one around here. You ain't special.
Speaker 2: That was my favorite. He was big mad when he
Speaker 2: saw those. Yeah, and he's like, you're selling these No,
Speaker 2: we're giving them away. That was so iconic just for that,
Speaker 2: I like the church. And then when he's like, even
Speaker 2: I empire never proposed myself as a god, and Carrie's like,
Speaker 2: I beg to different, but okay, a matter of perspective, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't believe he didn't take the offer to learn
Speaker 2: how to use that thing, to show Demersol how to
Speaker 2: use that. With her knowledge and her position and knowing
Speaker 2: like the next event or anything like that, she she's
Speaker 2: capable of doing something about it. If you could tell.
Speaker 2: She kind of was like, yeah, do do it.
Speaker 3: Well, he did take it, so, but how.
Speaker 2: Is she gonna like figure out the turn turn tap tap?
Speaker 3: She's super smart. She got robot brains, shot robot brains.
Speaker 3: And then there's you know, another one of those out
Speaker 3: there that we also got a space battle. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: really haven't had that in this show. It's like we
Speaker 3: were back watching Battle Star Galactica. I think the graphics
Speaker 3: are a little better. What take that back?
Speaker 2: I said it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Uh, the battle was interesting. So we find Hobo Mellow
Speaker 2: and I don't remember her name. It's not important. Hobo
Speaker 2: does don't even know it yet. Has he learned her
Speaker 2: name yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He knows it now, it's constant. Anyway, they're already in
Speaker 2: another little jail and they're bonding over their jail experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he rest heed, he just long enough to have
Speaker 3: sex and then get locked up again.
Speaker 2: And then the general comes in. He's like, why did
Speaker 2: you do it? Stupid man? And he's like it was love,
Speaker 2: wasn't it? And I think part of him kind of
Speaker 2: understood that. I feel bad for the General in this episode,
Speaker 2: don't you. Yeah, it's so sad he had to kill
Speaker 2: his spouse, but like I don't know, like to what end,
Speaker 2: or if he wasn't going to do it, somebody else
Speaker 2: would have put in the order, because Empire is Empire
Speaker 2: in this moment.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's not like he has any thing Like
Speaker 3: if he said no, then like, well, no one knows
Speaker 3: how to do it or anything like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, and then like, also, the general hasn't
Speaker 2: been manning this ship long enough to really have loyalty,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, there's no way that
Speaker 2: there could be a mutiny against Empire in this situation.
Speaker 2: And he's alone, he doesn't have his partner with him.
Speaker 2: If he was with his partner, it might be something else.
Speaker 2: But his partner encouraged him to pull the trigger, so
Speaker 2: to speak. I thought it was really lovely that they
Speaker 2: had their last moments, but I thought it was awkward
Speaker 2: that he was just kind of whispering in the corner
Speaker 2: over there. It's like, what are you doing? Just pull
Speaker 2: the trigger. I gave you an order.
Speaker 3: Yeah, moments like that, I'm always like, like, Empire is
Speaker 3: like yelling at you to do this now, but he's
Speaker 3: going to give you, you know, a couple of minutes
Speaker 3: to whisper, have a little conversation. I'm going to sit
Speaker 3: back here feuding silently until it's my turn to speak again. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, first I was bum that we were killing
Speaker 3: one of our gay characters, and I was relieved that
Speaker 3: he was still alive, and then it was even more sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Hollywood trope of queer relationships where there's
Speaker 2: always being gay is always punished by death in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and this unfortunately followed that model to a t. The
Speaker 2: tragic gay character lives on. It's really upsetting. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: really wanted them to band together with a religious people
Speaker 2: and take down empire right there and then, and like
Speaker 2: just at least his throat to feel something again, because
Speaker 2: they're gonna print out another one anyway.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So it would have been nice to like have a
Speaker 2: little victory, a little bit, a little bit of revenge
Speaker 2: because that guy was in that prison planet for fucking
Speaker 2: how long without seeing his spouse and he finally got
Speaker 2: to be with him, and he had to be at
Speaker 2: work most of the time. Yeah, that really sucks.
Speaker 3: It does. And I don't know. I was like, maybe
Speaker 3: there's still time for something that happened to stop this,
Speaker 3: but I don't know what it could be. Like they
Speaker 3: don't have time travel or anything, so it seems like
Speaker 3: that chip's about to hit the surface.
Speaker 2: And it's just done, like you saw the planet collapsing
Speaker 2: on itself. It's still upsetting, but like he had somebody
Speaker 2: on that planet that he really cared about, and that
Speaker 2: one moment where he heard his voice and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we lost contact. I thought you were
Speaker 2: a Gonner and I has to agree from twice yep.
Speaker 3: Oh so sad. Now I'm like conflicted on who should
Speaker 3: be the one to kill empire.
Speaker 2: Somebody takes that chip out of her girl, although the
Speaker 2: Cloud Princess is like a strong second. But yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, on another planet another time.
Speaker 2: I think maybe we don't know.
Speaker 3: I think we learned that last time. Right, they're like
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier in the timeline, but something.
Speaker 2: Hobo Mellow somehow confused everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he somehow ties us all together. We have
Speaker 3: Salvor Hardened come to the rescue, interrupting.
Speaker 2: Their mind meld.
Speaker 3: Yeah, their mind meld has to give Gail a good slap.
Speaker 2: That's always iconic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get a hold of yourself, woman, Like there's no
Speaker 3: way this cliche slaps and work. Oh does okay?
Speaker 2: And then she's like fighting and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it starts raining and then it's super muddy. Oh. I
Speaker 2: hated that they didn't.
Speaker 3: Have to doup.
Speaker 2: And like, let me just say, this planet never had
Speaker 2: any rain before this. They've been like kind of not
Speaker 2: perfect days, but there's been no rainy days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been chilling at the beach.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So like all of a sudden, now that we
Speaker 2: have a fight scene between two black actors, they have
Speaker 2: to be covered in mud.
Speaker 3: Why, Well sometimes he was white.
Speaker 2: Right, sometimes it was her white boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, I feel like that was emotionally impacting
Speaker 3: her more than it should have because she knows the
Speaker 3: trick at this point.
Speaker 2: But it's still like she still loves that visual I
Speaker 2: think she's a very visual person. But you're right, but
Speaker 2: she got to act, so that's good. She does have
Speaker 2: the acting skills to look distraught.
Speaker 3: I wrote down, foresight is wasted on you can't remember
Speaker 3: who said that?
Speaker 2: Was it? Tell him the which woman? Yeah, on Gail.
Speaker 2: But then Gail shows her the mule and she's like
Speaker 2: freaked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another mule sighting.
Speaker 2: Not a mule sighting? When is this mule coming into play?
Speaker 3: That was good. That was clever, like because she took
Speaker 3: Gail to that place that she was so afraid of,
Speaker 3: but she knew that he was there and she could
Speaker 3: use that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she knew that that would scare her too.
Speaker 3: Very clever. And then once salv War's in the ship
Speaker 3: and tell him kind of has the upper hand on
Speaker 3: both of them. There's Harry Selden again, somehow not dead
Speaker 3: or brought back to life again. I guess we're going
Speaker 3: to figure that out next episode.
Speaker 2: Next episode, we're going to figure out if he's immortal,
Speaker 2: which defeats the purpose of becoming human. By the way,
Speaker 2: do you think he's just really good at playing dead
Speaker 2: because when he was a little kid, he was a weirdo.
Speaker 3: He's somehow you had like him in that pool drowning
Speaker 3: was the projection?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Or like he's like Gail, Like they
Speaker 2: didn't show the takes or the him spending all that
Speaker 2: time in the pool swimming next to her, you know,
Speaker 2: when they were in that ship and she would just
Speaker 2: always be swimming, and she taught him how to hold
Speaker 2: his breast. No, no, because that would be an awesome
Speaker 2: flashback if they could do it. Just wanted to Harry
Speaker 2: Selden like fucking just smoke in those laps.
Speaker 3: You have any other thoughts on this episode?
Speaker 2: Um? I can't think of any. She like it was
Speaker 2: really interesting. A lot of shit happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, continuously engaging and they would cut between the storylines
Speaker 3: and it's just like a not a Dole moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the characters are developing in a way that's
Speaker 2: very like likable somehow, Like I really like Demros now,
Speaker 2: like I can see where she was going with her seduction,
Speaker 2: because initially I was like, this is nasty. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is fucking gross, bro. And now that I know she's
Speaker 2: an ancient bean trying to influence a dumb man into
Speaker 2: becoming a better person, I kind of get that. But still, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but uh, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, we had a really rough time
Speaker 3: with season one and we were pretty uncertain it's to
Speaker 3: start of season two, but it is really really coming
Speaker 3: to an exciting, engaging show.
Speaker 1: Astoral Queens, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people doing stuff, Desal, She's a
Speaker 3: pretty good choice.
Speaker 2: She waited and waited and waited and then became somehow
Speaker 2: more entangled into this kid's life and this empire. And
Speaker 2: the last bit that we saw her, she'd had enough
Speaker 2: of this motherfucker. She's going somewhere else. I'm leeve with
Speaker 2: the house. I gotta go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm going to pick her too. I did, Like,
Speaker 3: I thought, both Gale and Salvar were really good in
Speaker 3: this episode, but it just seemed like a smaller part
Speaker 3: compared to the demerzal At going this episode. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of good characters throughout it all, but
Speaker 3: today we award the robot. All right, well, I think
Speaker 3: that wraps up our coverage of episode nine. The next
Speaker 3: episode will be season two episode ten, season finale, titled
Speaker 3: Creation miss mits.
Speaker 2: The miss that's hard word to say.
Speaker 3: It is now I'm afraid to go take another go
Speaker 3: at it. Thanks for spacing out with us, and remember
Speaker 3: you're a sperm led by its waving flagullum, mistaking its
Speaker 3: random motion for complexity.
Speaker 2: That's my next tattoo.
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