Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on de Bezy, Boston's news
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Speaker 1: begin taking phone calls after nine o'clock. And just to
Speaker 1: remind you, we will be talking with the new newly
Speaker 1: appointed Massachusetts US Attorney Leah Foley about what her priority
Speaker 1: are in that very important, I think, no question, the
Speaker 1: most important. With all apologies to the Attorney General Authocomwalth Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: The most the single most important law enforcement office in
Speaker 1: the entire state. And then later on tonight, there's some
Speaker 1: developments going on in Ukraine. Apparently President Zelensky is going
Speaker 1: to be at the White House later this week, perhaps
Speaker 1: on Friday, and we will be looking at the changes
Speaker 1: in our policy towards Ukraine and Russia as it has
Speaker 1: evolved in the last month. Beginning at ten o'clock. But
Speaker 1: first we start off, as we always do, with four
Speaker 1: very interesting guests. Joining us is Phil Tracy, Attorney Phil Tracy,
Speaker 1: Phil welcome back to night, said, how are you this evening?
Speaker 2: Thank you Dan, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: You have been following the Karen Reid hearing, and to
Speaker 1: many people, this seems to be very confusing. It is
Speaker 1: a red perspective of what went on during the first trial,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a question of honesty and discovery.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can break it down so we all can
Speaker 1: understand better what is at stake. The judge seems quite
Speaker 1: upset with specifically one of the defense attorneys, the lead
Speaker 1: defense attorney at trial, Alan Jackson, give us up, give
Speaker 1: us kind of a hits, runs and errors about what
Speaker 1: the heck's going on here. You've been in this situation.
Speaker 1: Not in a bad situation, but you've been in plenty
Speaker 1: of courtrooms as a defense attorney.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a confusing situation because what it's about is
Speaker 2: the discovery rules and the reciprocal applying of playing by
Speaker 2: the rules. And I can tell you right now from
Speaker 2: body language that the judge is mad. The defendant is
Speaker 2: not part of this whole thing, but it's going to
Speaker 2: affect her a big time in this next trial because
Speaker 2: Alan Jackson is very nervous and that's why he hit
Speaker 2: somebody else. Speaking for him today, I think he's nervous
Speaker 2: that he's going to be ejected from the case. Now,
Speaker 2: remember he's not a member of the Massachusetts bar. He
Speaker 2: must come in as I do in other states. You've
Speaker 2: got to petition to get in pro hoc fea cheek
Speaker 2: for this one thing. Only he's here for this trial.
Speaker 2: He's sponsored in by probably David Yannetti, and he shows
Speaker 2: wherever state he's from, he shows that he's in good
Speaker 2: standing with the bar. Now this could have ramifications for
Speaker 2: him since he considers himself an attorney that crosses the
Speaker 2: country to try big cases. So it's very important for
Speaker 2: him going forward and for her to keep him on
Speaker 2: the case since he's already tried one case, but the
Speaker 2: judge could sanction him in that way. They judge could
Speaker 2: also exclude the testimony, and that testimony was very valuable
Speaker 2: to the defense. That testimony said that the injuries that
Speaker 2: the decedent suffered were not consistent with a motor vehicle crash,
Speaker 2: and that in itself probably caused a lot of reasonable
Speaker 2: doubt in the jurors minds. The problem is with that.
Speaker 2: If they don't have that, what they will have is
Speaker 2: the experts from the Commonwealth side, which say the following,
Speaker 2: she drove twenty five miles an hour in reverse sixty
Speaker 2: feet and hit him. Now, whether she did that on
Speaker 2: purpose or whether that's the question, and that's what we'reld
Speaker 2: I'll find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to put that in perspective, if you're driving
Speaker 1: twenty five miles an hour and traverse sixty feet, it
Speaker 1: probably takes two or three seconds. I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: fairly quick, you can go as if you go in
Speaker 1: sixty and go eighty eight feet a second. So if
Speaker 1: you even if you go in twenty five, it's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe two seconds, and you can have that impact pretty quick,
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I'm not a math major. The other question
Speaker 1: is I assume that even if they lose these expert witnesses,
Speaker 1: the Red defense team will be able to go out
Speaker 1: and find other expert witnesses to put on the witness stand.
Speaker 1: The question evolved here as I understand that is there's
Speaker 1: almost like a timing question whether or not Jackson agreed
Speaker 1: in advance to pay for the testimony of these expert
Speaker 1: witnesses and did not share that at trial and prior
Speaker 1: to it to the end of the trial. And I
Speaker 1: think that his lawyer, this fellow Alessi, who's made a
Speaker 1: pretty good presentation, was saying that they weren't presented with
Speaker 1: a bill by these experts until some days after the
Speaker 1: trial had concluded. So there's kind of a timing mechanism
Speaker 1: going on here as well.
Speaker 3: I believe there's no question about that.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't smell right, you know, no question who
Speaker 2: are in the business, let's say practicing trial and journees
Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't look good, doesn't pass the eye tests. In
Speaker 2: other words, he's in here acting kind of bombastically in
Speaker 2: court and style that you know, things like we've won
Speaker 2: the case. Almost he's almost said such like that. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to take him down a pick.
Speaker 2: I think he's hoping him praying and so may Karen
Speaker 2: read that he can stay on the case, but the
Speaker 2: next time around, sometimes it favors the prosecution. Now we
Speaker 2: have a new special prosecutor there. His name is Brennan,
Speaker 2: Brennan's lawyer, and you know he's doing a pretty good
Speaker 2: job I think for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no's he certainly has taken as a different look
Speaker 1: at it. Let's put it like that. Phil has always
Speaker 1: appreciate your help and participation, so we can follow all
Speaker 1: of this along. We'll talk to thanks very much, Phil Tracy,
Speaker 1: longtime Boston criminal defense attorney. When we get back here
Speaker 1: on nights that we're going to talk about a problem
Speaker 1: that a lot of Americans have right now, drowning in debt.
Speaker 1: We've gone through a few tough years of inflation, a
Speaker 1: lot of us have piled up debt. Overall debt has
Speaker 1: increased by half of one percent, up to eighteen trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, the federal deficit is about thirty six point
Speaker 1: six trillion dollars, so on top of that about fifty
Speaker 1: percent more personal debt. We're going to talk with an
Speaker 1: expert on that. The CEO of a company called health Walk.
Speaker 1: Come back on night Side. My name is Dan Rey.
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Speaker 1: right after this. Well, we keep also statistics in this country,
Speaker 1: whether it's in sports or levels of debt. And Americans
Speaker 1: are apparently now drowning in personal debt. We're drowning on
Speaker 1: public debt, the entire debt of the country. But joining
Speaker 1: us is Scott Sporanza. He's the CEO of a company
Speaker 1: called Healthlock. First of all, Scott, what does healthlock do?
Speaker 1: What type of company A is Healthlock?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 4: Dan, thanks for having me. So Healthlock is a is
Speaker 4: a software as a service, you know, after even where
Speaker 4: we automatically verify all your healthcare transactions, so medical dental
Speaker 4: vision RX, we're automatically looking at those and we can
Speaker 4: talk about how and then we're telling the consumer good
Speaker 4: to pay because it was transacted and priced fairly or
Speaker 4: flag there's something wrong with this, and our company has
Speaker 4: saved our subscribers over one hundred and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Wow, I should have used you when I was using
Speaker 1: an HSA account. I got so much aggravation for the
Speaker 1: HSA account, challenging everything, and you know, twenty dollars or
Speaker 1: thirty dollars doctor visits, code pays and you'd have to
Speaker 1: send them information and documentation and then they tell you
Speaker 1: they lost that you had to resend it. I should
Speaker 1: have been in touch with you back then, But that's
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about tonight. I got rid of
Speaker 1: the HSA company by the way. I just it wasn't
Speaker 1: worth it. I'd rather pay the extra taxes than go
Speaker 1: through the I'm serious, than go through the aggregation. Just
Speaker 1: was horrible, horrible. Well, another thing is horrible is we're drowning.
Speaker 1: Americans were drowning in debt. We're drowning in the federal
Speaker 1: debt of thirty six point six whatever it is. Havening
Speaker 1: checked it in the last five minutes. It could be
Speaker 1: thirty six points seven trillion dollars in the last five minutes.
Speaker 1: But Americans are also assuming and taking on incredible debt
Speaker 1: themselves with when interest rates are high, and what's going
Speaker 1: on here? Have we just lost a way?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I can't necessarily speak to the larger
Speaker 4: issues because of course they're out of my control. But
Speaker 4: as it relates to medical, yeah, third of all consumer
Speaker 4: debt is medical, and there's a there's there's various reasons
Speaker 4: for that. The top reasons are very few people planned
Speaker 4: to have a medical occurrence that's larger than a checkup
Speaker 4: or some you know RX. So if they have anything
Speaker 4: that's even close to catastrophic couple thousand dollars, they might
Speaker 4: not have that money in their saving accounts. So what
Speaker 4: do they do. They charge it on their credit card
Speaker 4: at twenty to thirty percent potential interest. And I believe
Speaker 4: it only takes about ten twelve thousand dollars for the
Speaker 4: average American to claim bankruptcies. And so they all of
Speaker 4: a sudden get drowned by that credit card payment and
Speaker 4: unfortunately they have to claim bankruptcy. And sixty six percent
Speaker 4: of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills. And that's
Speaker 4: actually up from sixty one percent pre COVID, So it's
Speaker 4: gotten worse.
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you this does a claim the
Speaker 1: bankruptcy bankruptcy filing. Does that relieve you of the medical cost?
Speaker 1: You can claim bankruptcy, but you still have to pay
Speaker 1: the government whatever taxes you're all of that. I know,
Speaker 1: what about medica? I know, can it get out from
Speaker 1: under medical bills? If that is really the albatross that's
Speaker 1: hanging around your neck?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't. There's still a negotiation. It depends on
Speaker 4: the cost, It depends on what kind of characters in
Speaker 4: your insurance, depends on which state you live in. But
Speaker 4: for the most part, you can work with the providers
Speaker 4: to go ahead and either do a payment plan or
Speaker 4: course wipe out that debt through bankruptcy to a degree
Speaker 4: in some cases completely, in some cases not. But the
Speaker 4: point is is that Americans need protection. We have accountants
Speaker 4: that file our taxes, obviously, we have consultants for whatever.
Speaker 4: We don't have that in the medical world. We have
Speaker 4: our doctor and we have our carrier. There's eight hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty million claims that the Wall Street Journal just
Speaker 4: reported are denied every year in medical damn. Eight hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty million is only one hundred twenty million families
Speaker 4: in the United States. That means that twenty three percent
Speaker 4: of all Americans are going to receive a denied claim.
Speaker 4: Who do you call if the claim has been denied, Well,
Speaker 4: you call your carrier. Well, your carrier is supposed to
Speaker 4: be your advocate, but the carrier is the one that
Speaker 4: denied your claim. So between the carrier and the provider,
Speaker 4: people need help and assistance like an accountant for taxes.
Speaker 4: And that's where health box stands in the gap.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna We're going to get to your company
Speaker 1: and what the company can do, which is great, by
Speaker 1: the way, But I thought that when Obama Care passed,
Speaker 1: it was a panaceer and all our problems regarding medical
Speaker 1: care accessibility and all of that was taken away. I
Speaker 1: remember when then Vice President Biden whispered in President Obama's ear,
Speaker 1: this is a big and there's an adjective in there
Speaker 1: which I could it might have been ensuring actually deal
Speaker 1: h So what happened to that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well let's talk maybe about the good, the bad,
Speaker 4: and the ugly. So the good is is that it
Speaker 4: did create folks who cannot go on a group plan.
Speaker 4: They can go to the general market, the public market,
Speaker 4: if you will, in exchange, and they can find rates
Speaker 4: that are pretty affordable. You know, a young healthy adult
Speaker 4: can maybe find something for ten twenty thirty dollars because
Speaker 4: they've got subsidies and so forth. So there's some good
Speaker 4: things there. You know. The bad news is the coverage
Speaker 4: is very limited. It isn't as good as your private
Speaker 4: if you will, commercial group busin employer group coverage. And
Speaker 4: the ugly is that actually the highest percentage of claims
Speaker 4: that are denied it's from the ACA public plans, which
Speaker 4: is thirty percent. So that's a big problem within the
Speaker 4: ACA is that they literally have the highest level of
Speaker 4: Clayton denials, which can lead to catastrophic costs. So there's
Speaker 4: a problem there. And you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: about the ACA. There's a lot of good, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of bad, but the ugly can really hurt you.
Speaker 1: I guess they might they should have looked at that
Speaker 1: legislation a little bit more closely, but we'll leave that
Speaker 1: for the moment. So what can what can your company
Speaker 1: health lock do for someone who's listening tonight, either who
Speaker 1: is yet in debt or finds themselves in debt, particularly
Speaker 1: if some of that debt evolves around medical costs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, you certainly don't want to get caught after
Speaker 4: the fact, right, So so healthot can still help you
Speaker 4: after the fact. But you've got one hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: four million data breaches that happened in medical last year.
Speaker 4: It was two million pre COVID. So just like people
Speaker 4: have identity theft, there's a proactive protective nature to our subscribers,
Speaker 4: which is to protect you against medical identity theft fraud.
Speaker 4: If you doctors have breaches, we'll tell you the breach,
Speaker 4: how many people were affected, We'll look in the dark web,
Speaker 4: we'll clean up that information for you protect your medical records.
Speaker 4: So there's some protectiveness there. The other aspect is is
Speaker 4: that we have the only services that I know of
Speaker 4: in the country where we're automatically monitoring your transactions. So
Speaker 4: you don't have to send us anything, you don't have
Speaker 4: to call us, you don't have to snap the picture
Speaker 4: of your bill and send it in. So if you
Speaker 4: go to the doctor in six months, we're going to
Speaker 4: send you an alert that says, hey, we know you
Speaker 4: went to doctor Jones. It was one thousand dollars bill
Speaker 4: and we verified it and it was adjudicated correctly against
Speaker 4: your insurance, pay the bill and confidence or you automatically
Speaker 4: get a flag. You choose if we're going to investigate it,
Speaker 4: and when we do, our average savings is eight hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty dollars per savings event. We've literally saved one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars for folks, we've saved fifty thousand. Again,
Speaker 4: we've saved over one hundred and thirty million. So it's
Speaker 4: a proactive, always on service that's monitoring your healthcare transactions
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 2: To save money and.
Speaker 1: How could Obviously the name of the company is health blog,
Speaker 1: So is it healthlock dot com? Tell us what's what
Speaker 1: it is? Find you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, health talk dot com and we've got some plans
Speaker 4: there to help you with. A MasterCard is also a
Speaker 4: partner of ours, so you can get a discount through
Speaker 4: the MasterCard if you have one. And yeah, we we
Speaker 4: certainly want to be able to help Americans as they
Speaker 4: enter into the healthcare system. We say, don't go to
Speaker 4: the doctor without health loock.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter if you are someone young who
Speaker 1: is dealing with the doctor, you know outside of your family,
Speaker 1: your parents when you up until twenty six and now
Speaker 1: you run your own or if you're married, in your
Speaker 1: fifties or sixties, and you've never used health block, you
Speaker 1: can still check it out and perhaps become a client
Speaker 1: of healthlock.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: So what are you're a medicare, whether you're in a
Speaker 4: group plan, whether you're on the ACA insurance, whether you're
Speaker 4: a young adult is entering into the insured healthcare market.
Speaker 4: We can help you so we can automatically monitor, we
Speaker 4: can protect you from the fraud, and we can alleviate
Speaker 4: these high cost issues that you potentially are facing.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds great. I appreciate you joining us tonight, Scott,
Speaker 1: and hopefully some people will at least begin to investigate
Speaker 1: this because obviously, no one wants to worry about personal debt. Uh.
Speaker 1: No one worries about the federal debt at this point
Speaker 1: because they think it's going to go away. It's going
Speaker 1: to catch up with some generation, maybe not the Baby boomers,
Speaker 1: of which I am one, but one of the coming
Speaker 1: The generations coming along are gonna have to pay a
Speaker 1: big bill and might as well might as well keep
Speaker 1: your own personal amount of debt down healthlock dot com. Scott,
Speaker 1: appreciate the conversation that I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Thank you much, Thank you, Dan, take care you too.
Speaker 1: All right, we get back. We're going to talk. You
Speaker 1: know how you go to the post office and you
Speaker 1: see all the new stamps. There's a a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. There's a stamp for Yogi Behrend. There's a
Speaker 1: stamp for the you know, the different different causes. Now
Speaker 1: there's a stamp for Betty White, the great actress comedian.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk with a fellow whose last
Speaker 1: name might be familiar to you, Dale Stefanos.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He is an artist, a local artist and illustrator, teaches
Speaker 1: illustration and stuff like you university, and he actually illustrated
Speaker 1: this stamp. I mean, someone has to illustrate these stamps.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Dale Stefanos right after the
Speaker 1: break the news break here at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Ray. You go to the post
Speaker 1: office and you say you want to buy a book
Speaker 1: of stamps or whatever, and I'll ask you what type,
Speaker 1: and they show you about twenty five stamps, and there's
Speaker 1: pictures of Americans, and there's pictures of causes and beautiful pictures. Well,
Speaker 1: someone has to develop each one of those stamps. And
Speaker 1: there's a stamp that I'm not sure if it's out
Speaker 1: yet or if it's going to be coming out very soon.
Speaker 1: It commemorates the life of someone who I think all
Speaker 1: of us were fans of, and that is the late
Speaker 1: great Betty White. And with us is Dale Stefanos, a
Speaker 1: local illustrator artist teaches illustration at Suffolk University. Dale. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be fascinated to find out how this process works.
Speaker 1: Welcome to night side.
Speaker 3: Bet Thanks for having me, And yes, someone's got to
Speaker 3: do it right, so why not me?
Speaker 1: It's funny. I was watching the Channel five six o'clock
Speaker 1: news last night, I think it was last night, and
Speaker 1: I saw this story. And you have a very similar
Speaker 1: last name to the one of the anchors on that broadcast,
Speaker 1: who as a friend of mine, your your sister.
Speaker 3: Correct, I do have a very very similar last name,
Speaker 3: and we live in the same house as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, so we have a very similar address as well.
Speaker 3: It's really strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marie is amazing, just amazing. The question is, did
Speaker 1: you come up with the idea or did did someone
Speaker 1: in the government say, Okay, we gotta have a stand
Speaker 1: for Betty White. Uh, and let's find a great illustrator
Speaker 1: to come up with how did how did the process work?
Speaker 1: What did the idea Germany from and take us from
Speaker 1: start to finish?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. There there is a like
Speaker 3: a nominating process that anybody can really put a name
Speaker 3: in there. And I think it's on the USPS website
Speaker 3: somewhere if you can find it, so you could you
Speaker 3: could nominate somebody and then the board would consider it.
Speaker 3: But the way it usually works is there's a general agreement, Okay,
Speaker 3: these people you have to be dead in this country
Speaker 3: at least, no now in Canada you can still be
Speaker 3: alive and have a stamp.
Speaker 1: But that's the bad part. That's the bad part of it.
Speaker 1: But it is because you never get to enjoy to
Speaker 1: see your stamp on an envelope. But that's no.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if you want to, if you
Speaker 3: want to see your stamp, I'm sorry, you're just gonna
Speaker 3: have to. You're gonna have to see it from above.
Speaker 1: I get you, I got you. So, So the way
Speaker 1: it works is so nominates good. Yeah, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to interact. I couldn't resist.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, No, that's fine. The way it works
Speaker 3: is is they have they have the names and then
Speaker 3: there are a couple of different design groups that USPS
Speaker 3: works with, and within those design groups there are several
Speaker 3: arts and each of these design groups they kind of
Speaker 3: had a stable of designers and illustrators and photographers that
Speaker 3: they regularly work with. Before I worked with him, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I've been an illustrator for almost almost forty
Speaker 3: years now, so I'm kind of a known quantity in
Speaker 3: my industry. So when the art director called me, he
Speaker 3: really describes how he liked the way I approach illustrating
Speaker 3: older people. So I think what he was saying was,
Speaker 3: you know, we want to be gentle with this, and
Speaker 3: it was funny, though he still didn't say who it was,
Speaker 3: I think until halfway through the conversation. So then what
Speaker 3: happens is they will send me a handful of photographs
Speaker 3: that have been licensed, so you can't just copy the
Speaker 3: photograph because you would be violating the photographers copyright, so
Speaker 3: they these are legally cleared to use, and then we
Speaker 3: chose which era. You know, you've got the early Betty
Speaker 3: White from the fifties, the you know, the seventies Betty White,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you know you have the older
Speaker 3: Betty White and it was it was kind of the
Speaker 3: sweet spot we landed on right around twenty ten. It
Speaker 3: was a fantastic photographed by California photographer. And then what
Speaker 3: happens is with this particularly one is Betty White has
Speaker 3: it was very well known for her animal activism, and
Speaker 3: the family is always involved. If the estate is still
Speaker 3: everybody's still alive, then they have a say in how
Speaker 3: they're you know, their family member is going to be
Speaker 3: depicted on a stamp. So this typical government cause that
Speaker 3: governmental organization, it goes through the postal board, and then
Speaker 3: there's a citizens board, and then there's the estate. So
Speaker 3: these things are all of these stamps are digested through
Speaker 3: these bodies and then back to me. So it's a
Speaker 3: miracle that by the time all this digesting is done,
Speaker 3: you have something that looks semi attracted, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Sure, So what I'm tennessee you mentioned that her love
Speaker 1: of animals. I'm looking at the stamp right now and
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what is it? Oh, I think is it?
Speaker 1: Is it an ear ring that she's wearing her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so it was interesting. So the family wanted
Speaker 3: an animal in there, and Greg braiding the art director
Speaker 3: and I were both you know, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: an animal, a lemur, a dog, a cat, a girass,
Speaker 3: and you know what. And then we both thought an
Speaker 3: animal would be distracting. So, you know, I took a
Speaker 3: few stabs at animals. I sent them maybe ten sketches
Speaker 3: with animals in them. Neither of us really liked it,
Speaker 3: and he didn't want to send them along. I didn't
Speaker 3: want him to send them along. So finally, one morning
Speaker 3: I was really frustrated. One morning, I was sitting at
Speaker 3: break at the breakfast table with Maria and she was
Speaker 3: I always kind of doodle while I'm drinking coffee, and
Speaker 3: I looked across and she was wearing some kind of
Speaker 3: animal print, and I had I had, And then I
Speaker 3: looked at her earrings and I had kind of absent
Speaker 3: mindedly doodled docks an earring, I mean a paw print,
Speaker 3: And I thought, oh my god, a paw print would
Speaker 3: really kind of give us the opportunity to get an
Speaker 3: animal and put the suggestion of an animal in there
Speaker 3: and make it a little more entertaining, because it's kind
Speaker 3: of an Easter egg. You know, it's not obvious, but
Speaker 3: once you know about it. It's kind of kind of
Speaker 3: like this cool little secret. So and so the family
Speaker 3: loved it. Everybody loved it, and it worked.
Speaker 1: So the stamp Itselfdale, I mean, that's not a photograph.
Speaker 1: That is your rendition of the photograph.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, Yeah, that's a that's a drawing, and you know,
Speaker 3: I paint it. They would you know, oh, well, thank you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know it's it's I always say, you know, whenever
Speaker 3: you're looking at at at paintings or are you're really
Speaker 3: looking at the last thirty minutes, because up until then,
Speaker 3: it's kind of a it's kind of a disaster and
Speaker 3: you're just trying to land the plane in high winds,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you you certainly captured everything, including like
Speaker 1: the glinter in her eyes, you know, I'm serious, her smile.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is so So there was a
Speaker 1: photograph that essentially you were working from that the family
Speaker 1: had agreed upon. That's the process. And then you use
Speaker 1: the photograph the dress that you used in the background
Speaker 1: color and the highlights, which is there's a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of purple in there was that her favorite color
Speaker 1: by any chance, er.
Speaker 3: That was I saw a lot of photographs with you know,
Speaker 3: with her wearing that color. I did maybe a dozen
Speaker 3: different color color passes, and and I just kind of
Speaker 3: left it up to my art director to decide what
Speaker 3: he liked best or what they liked best, you know,
Speaker 3: the group he's working with, and I think we all
Speaker 3: decided that this kind of kind of nailed it.
Speaker 1: So now, when will the when does the stamp become available?
Speaker 1: It says here will be released soon.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You can order it the day after tomorrow. You can
Speaker 3: order them Thursday, but they will be actually available in
Speaker 3: the post office on March twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you another question which is a little irrelevant,
Speaker 1: but you probably know a hell of a heck of
Speaker 1: a lot more about stamps than I do. I have
Speaker 1: some friends of mine who say that they buy stamps
Speaker 1: over the internet. I've seen the ads over the internet.
Speaker 1: I'll think legitimate ads.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, if you just go to you know, the
Speaker 3: US Postal Service website and.
Speaker 1: Talk about it. We're talking about full price here, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about at discounted prices. Those are the ads I'm
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 3: Oh damn, I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, no, no, probably, Well, I've had some friends
Speaker 1: of mine who I trust, who say to me, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do that, and that they have excess stamps
Speaker 1: and all of that. I just didn't know if.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I mean, I buy stamps at a post office and
Speaker 1: I know I pay yeah, you know, sixty seven cents
Speaker 1: for it's now like a book of twenty there's you know,
Speaker 1: sixteen dollars or fifteen dollars or something like that. But yep,
Speaker 1: you've never seen the ads on on the internet where
Speaker 1: you can get a roll of one hundred stamps for
Speaker 1: like seventeen dollars and stuff like that. You haven't seen those.
Speaker 3: No, my algorithm hasn't pointed me towards that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, No, no, no, no problem. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: always looking for a bargain, but I just wanted to check.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: So, now, will there be an unveiling of this somewhere
Speaker 1: or yeah, just if there's a ceremony that you're going
Speaker 1: to be part of, I want to know about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's so because you know she was she
Speaker 3: lived in LA and she's an animal rights activist, they're
Speaker 3: going to have the they call it the first day
Speaker 3: of issue. Yeah, so they're having the first day of
Speaker 3: issue event at the La Zoo. So Marie and I
Speaker 3: are going to go out there and we're going to
Speaker 3: have a fancy weekend, and you know, for one hot second,
Speaker 3: I will be the person in this marriage who's in
Speaker 3: the spotlight.
Speaker 1: Please please stay ahead of Maria for me. It's just
Speaker 1: fun watching the other night. And tell her that I
Speaker 1: enjoy watching her on television.
Speaker 3: Very very highly of you.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dale, I appreciate I hope she was listening tonight. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we will talk soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks, all right, good bye.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, Wow, job well done. When we get back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk with a business strategist and a keynote
Speaker 1: speaker about gen Z gen Zers who are having some
Speaker 1: anxiety issues having left the classroom and now finding themselves
Speaker 1: in the workforce. We will explain it all. Welcome back there.
Speaker 1: Every generation moves from academia, whether it's high school, into
Speaker 1: the workforce or college and then into the workforce, and
Speaker 1: gen Z's having some problems apparently, uh, stepping in for them,
Speaker 1: it's like stepping on to a different planet. Going to
Speaker 1: work with us. As Meredith Elliott Powell, she's a business strategist,
Speaker 1: author of books, best selling book Mentally Fit, powerfully resilient,
Speaker 1: competitively strong, the nine strategy Formula for Thriving in your
Speaker 1: personal life. That's a long title, merit if I assume
Speaker 1: that takes up the entire front cover. How are you tonight?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 1: So, so let's first of all, let's define zen Z
Speaker 1: gen Z. I get my gens mixed up here. That
Speaker 1: is from Is that that's after the Millennials? I guess.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, it's the generation coming right after, right
Speaker 5: after the millennials. Nineteen ninety seven to twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Okay, so some of those gen Zers are still in
Speaker 1: junior high school if they were born in twenty twelve.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, twenty twelve. I'm sorry, you know, Dan,
Speaker 5: it is nightier for me. So yeah, nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 5: to twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's fine, that's fine, you said, you said
Speaker 1: it right. So what I'm saying is, so these are
Speaker 1: people who, if they were born in ninety seven, they
Speaker 1: have matriculated from college probably now four or five years
Speaker 1: the oldest of the generation. And have we reached you
Speaker 1: on another country? I believe you might be on the
Speaker 1: other side of the pond.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I am actually coming to you tonight.
Speaker 5: I'm traveling, but I'm actually coming to you tonight from Charlotte,
Speaker 5: North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, we're in the same time zone. It's dark
Speaker 1: up here too. We're in Boston. That's easy. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought you were like five hours ahead of us.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we talked to people in Europe at this odd
Speaker 1: and I feel badly for them because it's two o'clock
Speaker 1: or one o'clock there, and no, so you're still early.
Speaker 1: Come on, don't be a party pooper, Meredith. So what's
Speaker 1: going on with these young people? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there have been other generations who I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: landed on Omaha Beach or who fought in warsh What
Speaker 1: the what's their problem with going to work?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know I think that it's I mean,
Speaker 5: first of all, I think if we really went back
Speaker 5: in history, we would see that even the greatest generation
Speaker 5: probably had a little bit of struggle at the start.
Speaker 5: But you know, when you really think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they called I think they called they called that
Speaker 1: the Great Depression.
Speaker 5: Well, when you think about when you think about gen Z,
Speaker 5: they have grown up in an environment where they have
Speaker 5: been supervised from the time that they were born. You
Speaker 5: know when when probably you and I were growing up.
Speaker 5: We grew up in the era where our mothers locked
Speaker 5: us outside most of the day. We had to figure
Speaker 5: things out. We had to find friends, we had to
Speaker 5: make sports. We had had a problem, we had to
Speaker 5: solve it on our own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, my parents would let me in at night.
Speaker 1: That was always my problem to be. It was horrible
Speaker 1: sometimes in the winter time. I'm glad. I'm only teasing.
Speaker 5: So they're coming out of an environment where their parents
Speaker 5: have engaged them in every decision, asked their ideas, asked
Speaker 5: their opinions. They've been if they had a question, they
Speaker 5: could go to a parent or a coach and ask
Speaker 5: what to do. And then all of a sudden you
Speaker 5: find yourself in the workforce and it's a very different
Speaker 5: environment and a very different environment in that you've got expectations,
Speaker 5: you have to deliver your dependent you know, they're counting
Speaker 5: on you to make decisions. And I think there's a
Speaker 5: little bit of a bridge that's missing, a bit.
Speaker 1: You know, for this generation, it's always tough to paint
Speaker 1: with a broadbrush.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, absolutely, we all know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, there are people who were born in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven in nineteen ninety eight who are now in the military.
Speaker 1: I don't assume they dealing with a lot of anxiety issues.
Speaker 1: That there's some people who were born in ninety seven
Speaker 1: and ninety eight who are quarterbacks for NFL teams right now.
Speaker 1: I don't assume they much of a problem making a decision.
Speaker 1: You do feel that there's a generational problem here. That
Speaker 1: why their parents who I'm assuming their parents probably were
Speaker 1: born in the baby boomlet maybe that their parents probably
Speaker 1: came along in the nineteen seventies when the baby bo
Speaker 1: were first having kids. Is I'm just trying to keep
Speaker 1: in mind.
Speaker 5: I would say, I would say that their their parents
Speaker 5: came along more at the you know, the the the
Speaker 5: gen X and the millennial generation baby boomers might be
Speaker 5: might be a little old for them, un less it's
Speaker 5: a second or you know, or a third family, and
Speaker 5: their parents were just a lot more engaged and involved.
Speaker 3: But I think, well, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Have my kids until by the way, I didn't have
Speaker 1: my kids, we didn't have our kids. Had a son
Speaker 1: in eighty seven and a daughter in ninety one, So
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm crossing over generations whatever, So
Speaker 1: how do you do. So you're a psychologist. When someone
Speaker 1: comes to you and says, I'm a gen x er
Speaker 1: and I'm having real problems here, what what do you
Speaker 1: do other than say, look, I'm going I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you some some some night gear here and uh,
Speaker 1: we're going to send you up into the Adirondack woods. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you're going to have to live in the wild
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks and and figure out what
Speaker 1: do you do? How do you get them out of
Speaker 1: a funk?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, first of all, under you know, I tell
Speaker 5: them basically to focus on communication, to find a mentor
Speaker 5: to find somebody that they can talk to, that they
Speaker 5: can engage with, that they can you know, that they
Speaker 5: can learn from, and to realize that the time that
Speaker 5: they're investing now is just that it's an investment that
Speaker 5: you know, basically, we call it work because at times
Speaker 5: you're going to be asked to do some things that
Speaker 5: you may not want to you may not want to do.
Speaker 5: And third, to put themselves in a mode of continuous learning.
Speaker 5: That's what a job is about, especially in your early twenties.
Speaker 5: It's about growth and it's about it's about development. And
Speaker 5: then I think probably the most important thing we do
Speaker 5: for them is that we right size their expectations. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you and I had grown up in a family
Speaker 5: where our parents included us in decision making, if they
Speaker 5: asked our ideas and opinions, it would be foreign to
Speaker 5: us to go to work and the CEO not drop
Speaker 5: by and ask us for our thoughts and our opinions.
Speaker 5: So right sizing their expectations and helping them understand what
Speaker 5: to expect in the working environment, both from what.
Speaker 3: The experience is going to be.
Speaker 5: Like, but also what the payoff is, what they're going
Speaker 5: to gain from going to work, getting a job, getting
Speaker 5: a career where that's going to put them in their
Speaker 5: late thirties in their forties.
Speaker 1: I think the most important word you mentioned during this
Speaker 1: interview is a word that I love, which is mentor
Speaker 1: everybody in their life. I think if you're going to
Speaker 1: be successful, it has to have five or six people
Speaker 1: at various stages in your life who works as a
Speaker 1: mentor and it helps guide you. There'll be a job
Speaker 1: decision you'll have to make and a good mentor might
Speaker 1: say that's not really a good road for you. Something else.
Speaker 1: The other word, that's my favorite word, is oblivious. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've noticed that I'd love
Speaker 1: you to comment, and if I'm wrong, please tell me that.
Speaker 1: If I'm driving and there's a gen zer walking along
Speaker 1: with ear plugs and headset or something and looking straight
Speaker 1: ahead walking through a crosswalk, I of course stop and
Speaker 1: allow that person to proceed. The younger they are, the
Speaker 1: less likely that they would even acknowledge me and say
Speaker 1: thank you or hi or anything like that. Older people
Speaker 1: of whatever generation, when you you know, again you have
Speaker 1: to stop someone's in a crosswalk. The older the person,
Speaker 1: the more likely they're going to say hi and thank
Speaker 1: you or you know, just an acknowledgment. And that's why,
Speaker 1: to me, the word oblivious is a really important word
Speaker 1: that I associate with a lot of really you know,
Speaker 1: people who are young, they're so focused on the headset,
Speaker 1: they're wearing, the earbuds and all of that. Tell me, now,
Speaker 1: how wrong I am about that?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, first of all, again, I want to
Speaker 5: get back to your statement, you can never you know,
Speaker 5: broadbrush a generation. Yes, there there is a lot of that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I do a lot of work with the
Speaker 5: soft skills, the networking and the and the importance of
Speaker 5: the of the human connection and and certainly with the
Speaker 5: advancement of technology, those are skills that are being lost.
Speaker 5: And as I advise every single parent, I say, if
Speaker 5: you do not want your child to live in your
Speaker 5: basement for the rest of your life, teach them how
Speaker 5: to have a conversation, teach them eye contact tea.
Speaker 1: I'm running out of time, but but most importantly, I
Speaker 1: want to plug the book. Mentally Fit, powerfully, resilient, competitively strong,
Speaker 1: the nine strategy formula for thriving in your personal life.
Speaker 1: It's by Meredith Elliott Powell. Meredith, I'm sure it's available everywhere.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time tonight and I think we connected. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks so much to thank you.
Speaker 5: Stand by.
Speaker 1: Very welcome by Meredith. We get back when to be
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