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Getting to know the TCU Horne 10 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:28,719 frogs b YU versus TCU by He's a slight favorite. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: In this game at home four and a half points. 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: I think to be exact, and I think ESPN Analytics 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,640 likes BYU. I think I think it's like a seventy 14 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:38,840 percent chance of victory. We'll see how it plays out, 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,960 obviously under the lights of Lavelle, but we're gonna break 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,840 it all down here in this Know the Faux segment 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,039 brought to you by Bresa Cleaning Services. Reliable, affordable, and 18 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:51,840 detail oriented. 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We've got Steve Johnson representing the Fort 30 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,840 Worth Star Telegram. 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,439 Speaker 3: What's up, Steve? 32 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,879 Speaker 4: Hey? How's going fellas? 33 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,159 Speaker 5: Hey? 34 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: Living right? 35 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 6: Man? 36 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,719 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day here in Utah County. How's the DFW? 37 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,159 Speaker 7: Oh man, it's been back and forth. It was cold yesterday, 38 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,000 now it's feeling warm, man, So I don't know whether 39 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,439 to keep my AC on and all though it's been 40 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:41,560 going pretty good down here. 41 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: Nice man. 42 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: How does how's the fan base feeling about their TCU 43 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:48,079 horn Frogs this year? 44 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 7: I would say there's probably been some anxiousness right now, 45 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:55,760 don't I don't think they're mathematically eliminated from the big 46 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,319 twelve title race, but they got to swim to none chance. 47 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:01,159 They would need a lot of things to kind of 48 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,840 go their way, and I think that's a bit of 49 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,799 a disappointment for the fan base. Sunday Dyke said itself 50 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:09,039 that the standard for this year was competing and at 51 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,080 least making it to Arlington in so many words, So 52 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,240 unless they go on a miracle run, that's unlikely to happen. 53 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,319 Speaker 4: So I think there's a bit of a disappointment. 54 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 7: They've gown two double digit second half leads against Arizon 55 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,520 State and Iowa State, and it's kind of the third 56 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,879 straight year they kind of just had two really losses 57 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:28,840 that are just hard to explain. It will likely to 58 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,560 keep them out the big to a title race, So 59 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,000 I mean, I mean, TC is still in position to 60 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,919 have a good season with their record, but I think 61 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,639 the fan base is still going to be feeling a 62 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:39,599 sense of disappointment no matter how the Horns fro was finished. 63 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: It feels like TC has been competitive in their games 64 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,599 though that they have lost. 65 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,439 Speaker 7: These are close losses, Yeah, they have been, and I 66 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:49,680 think that's probably been the most frustrating thing for the 67 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,080 fan base. If you look at the game against areas 68 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,400 on the State, they had the seventeen zero lead and 69 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:56,319 then you kind of just let the sun Devils come 70 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,280 back into the game because you can't run the ball, 71 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,000 and I think they only had ten nets yards for 72 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,159 the entire game. And then last week against IVIS State, 73 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,400 they're leading seventeen to six at the beginning of the 74 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,039 fourth quarter. The Cyclones, as you guys know, were the 75 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:12,039 mids of a four game loser Street. They hadn't done anything, 76 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,000 and then in the span of almost about two or 77 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,080 three drives, suddenly they retake control of the game because 78 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,159 once again TCU can't run the ball and give up 79 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:22,599 a punt return to a walk on. So I think 80 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,039 there's a very real scenario where TCU is sitting here 81 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:29,599 at eight and one, just like BYU is, but they 82 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,360 the inability to close games, and it's even showed up 83 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,360 to some of their wins. I think he's really put 84 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,360 that behind the eight ball and obviously put them a position 85 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:37,960 where it's just going to be unlikely they'll be able 86 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,960 to make it to Arlington. 87 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: What is their identity offensively? Defensively? How would you describe 88 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,599 the identity of this team? 89 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:48,759 Speaker 7: Offensively? They're a pass team, that's the strength of their team. 90 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:51,599 Their receiving course, I think Aaron Mcalliser is I think 91 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,400 he's still a bit underrated nationally, even compared to a 92 00:03:54,439 --> 00:03:56,680 guy like Jordan Tyson and Arizon the State, but I 93 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,280 think he's the top ten receiver, maybe top seven, top 94 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:01,879 five receiver the country. He leads to Big twelve in 95 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,319 yards and touchdowns, Jordan Dwyers right outside the top ten. 96 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:07,960 So that kind of dynamic duo is the strength of 97 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 their team. Eric's a guy that can take a slam 98 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,199 fifty yards so the house. He's also a good deep 99 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,319 ball receiver. I think Jordan's really strong when it comes 100 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,839 to those contested catches and using his physicality to create 101 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,560 space against defensive backs. And when he's on his best, 102 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,279 I think Josh s Hoover I can't call him in 103 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,000 the lead. I think he's a tier below the league, 104 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,839 but when he's playing this best man, he can really 105 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:29,680 just kind of sling it around the field. So they 106 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,879 want to run the ball, they have not been able to, 107 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:34,480 so they've had to lean more on the passing game offensively, 108 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:36,519 and they I would say the lack of balance is 109 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,600 probably the identity offensively. On defense, they can create a 110 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,160 lot of habits, they can create a lot of sacks, 111 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,120 they can create a lot of the turnovers. Bud Clark 112 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,879 Janelle Johnson I think are two of the best playmaking 113 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,160 staties in the country. And they also have one of 114 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,160 the best run defense in the Big twelves. Well, I 115 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,920 think it might be slightly better than BYU's. But just 116 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,399 like the offense, they have one fatal flaw. They have 117 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,720 one of the worst third down defense in the country. 118 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:00,920 So for all the good things that they do and 119 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:03,240 all the good players that they have, too often this 120 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,120 season they really struggle to get off field and allowed 121 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,560 teams kind of stream drive together. 122 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: Talking some TCU football here on esp and the fan 123 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,680 getting to know the foe brought to you by Brest 124 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Cleaning Services. These close games, well let's talk about when 125 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 if they played their best ball where there was a 126 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,639 lot of confidence, a lot of swagger, maybe they were 127 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:25,480 the healthiest. And then where if they played their their 128 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:27,639 worst ball in these games in this season. 129 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,319 Speaker 7: Well, in terms of location, they've been at their best 130 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:33,800 aside from last week, they played their best football at home. 131 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:35,920 If you look at some of the stats likes, for example, 132 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,680 you look at Josh Hoover splits at home, and in 133 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:41,480 a way, he's been a completely different quarterback. I think 134 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:44,120 he has maybe sixteen touchdowns and three interceptions at eight 135 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:47,120 m Gen Carter Stadium. He just had six touchdowns and 136 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:49,839 five picks on the road, though, if my memory searchs 137 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,680 me correctly, so I think the offense, whether it's the. 138 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: Home crowd and not having to deal with the crowd noise, 139 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:57,560 it functions a lot better. 140 00:05:57,639 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 7: The run game has been a lot more efficient at home, 141 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,639 so they haven't played the best football in the road. 142 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,000 You know, they really struggled against West Virginia on the 143 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,319 scoring twenty three points. Obviously, they had that the gloss 144 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:10,399 against Kansas State. I think the final score is a 145 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:13,199 lot more closer than the game actually was. Kansas State 146 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,240 was leading by a big margin in the second half, 147 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,920 and obviously Arizona State where you can only manage the 148 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,839 rest for ten yards. So I just think this team 149 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,959 just hasn't been able to aside from North Carolina, which 150 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:25,680 I think was their most dominant. 151 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 4: Performance of the season. 152 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 7: I know North Carolina's a little bit better now, but 153 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:30,639 North Carolina's not a good team. They also have a 154 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:32,800 good win over SU but that game was also in 155 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,240 Fort Worth, So I would just say CC's identity has 156 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:39,199 basically been they can be a really good team when 157 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,079 they play in Fort Worth, but when they go on 158 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:43,480 the road, I think that lack of balance, the benning 159 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:44,800 be able to get out the field, that's kind of 160 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,519 hindered them when they played the way for Fort Worth. 161 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: Well, byus, you know, from your perspective, right from what 162 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,319 you've been hearing from the TCU side of things on 163 00:06:55,399 --> 00:07:02,759 the scouting report, Who is BYU in relation to internal 164 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,000 conversation there within the TCU program. 165 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,079 Speaker 4: Well, I would like to say, I think BYU does 166 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,560 a lot of. 167 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 7: Things well that TC wishes it could do from a 168 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:15,720 physicality standpoint, in terms of what they're able to do 169 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:17,680 defensively with kind of their front seven, and even with 170 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:19,759 what they want to do with the run game. Obviously 171 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:21,639 BYU's aving, I think what two hundred rest of the 172 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,839 yard is a game TC would love. 173 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: To be there. 174 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 7: When TC made their run to the National Championship game, 175 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,639 it was behind We all love Matts, Douggan and Quinn Johnston, 176 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,560 but they had a dominant run game, and that's kind 177 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,560 of been the the kind of. 178 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 4: The core philosophy of Sunny Dice and Ken le Bron. 179 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:38,759 Speaker 7: So the fact they haven't been able to establish that 180 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,319 as I was, been a big disappointment for teaching, and 181 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,279 I think one reason to composition there in but when 182 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,240 they look at the BYU, they see terrific linebackers, they 183 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:48,920 see a terrific defensive line, and I know Sonny really 184 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:51,199 loves the quarterback and says he really plays a lot 185 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:54,839 older than his age. So in many ways they compared 186 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:56,839 them to SMU said there are a couple of differences, 187 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:58,639 of course, but I think in a lot of ways 188 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:02,360 TCU sees the by d Yu DYU T excuse me, 189 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,879 that does a lot of things well that they wish 190 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,399 they could do. 191 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:08,199 Speaker 4: And obviously there's a reason dyusing the CFP race. 192 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:11,439 Speaker 2: It wasn't too long ago that TCU was in a 193 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:16,120 national championship. From a donor base fan base standpoint, in 194 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,120 the media coverage of that, does it feel like like 195 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,600 there's been some sort of precipitous dropping in talent or 196 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,920 coaching or execution. Where where's the gaps that need to 197 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:32,879 be filled, Where's the maybe the slack that needs to 198 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:34,759 be cut and they need to be a little bit 199 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,159 more effective and efficient where's the weakness. 200 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,039 Speaker 4: I think it's the run game. 201 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 7: I think for the last two years they've just had 202 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:43,879 really bad run games. Last year they kind of got 203 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,000 nailed out by save Young William where they kind of 204 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:48,279 went to like this wildcat package and that kind of 205 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:50,360 that's how they went on their run last year. But 206 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,279 this year they don't have a six foot four, six 207 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,360 foot five, you know, athlete that runs at four to 208 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:57,399 four that they can put back there this year. So 209 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:01,080 when the run games inconsistent, job Shub tends to press, 210 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:03,440 and when Josh Shuber presses, he turns the ball over. 211 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,000 So I believe in every loss this year for TCU 212 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:08,159 they've had at least three turnovers, and most of those 213 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,320 who have been on the road. So when they can't 214 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,000 when they can't find balance offensively, their quarterback is forced 215 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,720 to do more and sometimes Despike despite making some really 216 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:20,720 he'll make some throws are are jaw dropping and are 217 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,759 some of the most impressive in the country. But when 218 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,480 he's but when there's pressure, when he feels or he 219 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,600 feels he needs to kind of get tc back into 220 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:30,039 the game. I think Josh is still showing the tendency 221 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:32,200 to kind of make some critical mistakes like he did 222 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,120 in the first half of This is Iva State, and 223 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,039 when you look at it from a national perspective, I 224 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,399 just think, really, after tc lost to Colorado in the 225 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:42,600 twenty twenty three season opener, it's been really hard for 226 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,679 them to kind of get back on the national stage. 227 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,399 I mean, they haven't played a lot of top twenty 228 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:47,960 five opponents because obviously we. 229 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:51,039 Speaker 4: Know the Big twelve deals the perception issue. I don't know. 230 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 7: I think there was a crazy step like TCU hasn't 231 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:57,240 beaten a ranked opponent and maybe one thousands or so days, 232 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,960 so obviously this game against BYU, this is a signature 233 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,759 moment I think for the fan base for Sunny Dykes, 234 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:05,799 because if you really look at it, he hasn't really 235 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:08,200 had a marquee win when he can really put his 236 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,559 flag on and show the show the fan base that 237 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:12,360 the program is still moving in the right direction, the 238 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,399 talent is still there. 239 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 4: I think the coaching staff is still there, but I. 240 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 7: Think they're just the fan base needs a marquee, a 241 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,639 signature win to wrap their arms around to know that 242 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,159 the program is still ascending and not you know, taking 243 00:10:25,159 --> 00:10:26,519 that small decline every year. 244 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the investment in NIL right now they're 245 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,559 in at TCU, are they pretty competitive? 246 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: Pretty aggressive? Comparatively speaking? 247 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:38,799 Speaker 7: I think I would probably say a little bit of middle, 248 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:39,679 middle of the pack. 249 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: I don't. 250 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,519 Speaker 7: I think Texas Tech is just so far ahead of everybody, 251 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,559 at least in football that is that I don't want 252 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,120 to say nobody can't compete. I think Dyus obviously has 253 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:52,200 a strong NIL package. But I think going into this offseason, 254 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:55,399 it would not surprise me if TCU make some even 255 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,720 more aggressive investment approach, especially on the offensive line, trying 256 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:02,440 to land some of these high profile kid kids. Because 257 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,159 tc IS basically decide they want to be a developmental program, 258 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,279 so a lot of their NIL goes to retaining players, 259 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,600 keeping players in the programs for multiple years, and trying 260 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 to develop those guys. So I think you can find 261 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:16,399 success with that, but I still think that you have 262 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,399 to find balance and be able to land some difference 263 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,799 makers in the portal like they were able to do 264 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:23,840 in twenty twenty two. Right now, TCU has had this 265 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:27,080 most success kind of finding guys like Jordan Dwyer was 266 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,919 a guy from Idaho, Aaron mccolser was at Boise State. 267 00:11:30,279 --> 00:11:33,000 They haven't consistently shown the ability to maybe go out 268 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,080 and get a guy that was a starter at a 269 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,360 power for a conference. They did Land once today, Noel 270 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:40,320 McKinnie from Oklahoma State, But I'm mainly talking about maybe 271 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,799 a guy from I don't know, just throwing it out there, 272 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:45,600 say you landa started from Missippi State or maybe like 273 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,360 a Vanderbilt and things like that. So I think they 274 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,240 have some strikes that need to be taken if they 275 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,840 want to take that next level. But resources are on 276 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:54,879 an issue at TCU. I can say that as well. 277 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always intriguing to see what the margin of 278 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:02,399 victory is going to be where and where you can 279 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,919 assign that margin of victory too, right? 280 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: Is it personnel? Is it coaching? You know, how talented 281 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,200 is the coaching staff? 282 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: Like? 283 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,039 Speaker 2: How did do we feel like as a as a 284 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,679 TCU fan base? Do they feel like they've upgraded from 285 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,279 the Gary Patterson era? They had a great thirteen and 286 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:23,799 two year right in twenty twenty two. Since then, five 287 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,000 and seven, nine and four, they're on pace maybe possibly 288 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:29,919 to get to double digit victories this season, but it 289 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:33,320 may be status quo. I don't know what quota is 290 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,279 for TCU year over year, you know what I mean? 291 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I think, honestly, I think the 292 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:38,960 fan base. 293 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 7: Struggles with that as well too, because if you look 294 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,279 at Gary Patterson's last four years, TC was a mediocre program. 295 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,759 I think it was a lot of six and six, 296 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:48,639 five and seven, maybe seven to six. So I think, 297 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,360 if we're just being objective, Sonny Dice has been an 298 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:53,080 upgrade over the kind of the final. 299 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:54,399 Speaker 4: Era of the Gary Patterson era. 300 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 7: But when you have a coach like that that was 301 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,679 so beloved and took the programs all these different heights 302 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,720 and then your Sunny Dison in year one, fair or not, 303 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:05,879 a lot of people still view that as Gears team 304 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,399 and you took quote unquote Gears team to the National Championship. 305 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 4: Now people want to see what you can do when 306 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,879 this is your program, when this is. 307 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:15,519 Speaker 7: Your roster, And right now, I don't know if they've 308 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,679 really ever covered from Garrett Riley, the offense coordinated from 309 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,320 the National Championship runner up team leaving for Clemson. I 310 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,399 think they lost a really good running back coach and 311 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,639 Anthony Jones who went to USC who I think they 312 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:29,000 easily be a future head coach at the Group of 313 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,840 five level next year. So there's been some losses, and 314 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:33,720 I think the running game has never been quite the 315 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:35,840 same as it was in twenty twenty two. 316 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,159 Speaker 4: I think they've shown improvements on defense. 317 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,519 Speaker 7: I think this is the best defense Sunny Dice has had, 318 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,440 and they've recruited at a pretty much at a really 319 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:45,279 high level. I just think right now it's just those 320 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,399 kind of those I don't want to use a turn 321 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,080 bone headed losses. But for example, last year they got 322 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,960 upset by UCF, got upset by Houston. 323 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: Now you have two more of those losses this year. 324 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 7: So I think fans are just seeing too many of 325 00:13:57,279 --> 00:14:01,679 those really frustrating losses and not really those marquee wins. 326 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,519 It's one thing, you know, beat up on some of 327 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,399 the teams at the bottom of the Big twelve, but 328 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,639 they want those signature wins like they could possibly get 329 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:08,600 on Saturday as well. 330 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the history between these two teams and 331 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,919 overall it's pretty even, right five and seven, BYU's got 332 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:17,519 five wins. 333 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: TCU's got seven wins. 334 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:22,679 Speaker 2: But you look at the recent history from two thousand 335 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,159 and five to present day, I believe TCU six and 336 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:30,600 two versus the Cougars, and the last time BYU beat 337 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,159 TSU was when I was playing for BYU and six 338 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:35,399 and O seven. 339 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,279 Speaker 3: It's crazy, I didn't know that. 340 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the history here so man that I 341 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:43,200 don't know how long you've been covering the TCU Horned Frogs, 342 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,320 but I find it interesting it's not only been dominance 343 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:49,480 in the modern era, but like, these games aren't even 344 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,759 all that close. I mean, forty four to eleven, the 345 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,159 clo closest one was thirty eight, twenty eight and twenty eleven, 346 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,840 thirty one to three in twenty ten, thirty eight to 347 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,759 seven two thousand and nine, thirty two to seven two 348 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:03,360 thousand and eight. 349 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:05,559 Speaker 3: Crazy. Any thoughts on that? 350 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,519 Speaker 7: I think the most interesting thought is that, at least 351 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,080 from the TCU perspective, that stringer recent dominants just really 352 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,240 hasn't mattered in terms of like changing how people view 353 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,919 this game, or like I would say, I don't think 354 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,559 the TCU fan base is going into this one like, oh, 355 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,320 we've owned DYU the last couple of years, so you 356 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,039 know that gives us a boost. I think that's probably 357 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,480 lets you know, I guess the moves of the program, 358 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,039 the moves of the fan base around here, Like you know, 359 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,559 during this week, nobody's really talked about that twenty twenty 360 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:37,360 three game. In fact, if anything, Sunny kind of mentioned 361 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,399 how a lot of those guys are still on BYU's 362 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,159 team and now they're that defense that got carved up 363 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,919 that game is obviously one of the best in the 364 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:47,600 country right now. So I think it's been interesting how 365 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:49,480 little I think the fan base has kind of paid 366 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,360 attention to some of that recent history, and I think 367 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,480 it just kind of goes to show. 368 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 4: I don't want to say the. 369 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,879 Speaker 7: Vibes are dad when when you have a team that's 370 00:15:55,879 --> 00:15:58,080 six and three and that can easily go eight and four, 371 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,200 nine and three if they can. 372 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 4: Find a way to get it done on Saturday. 373 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 7: But I just think this overall, whether it's like looking 374 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,440 at the recent history with BYU or just like the 375 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,440 big picture since of the program, there's just a lot 376 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,200 of anxiousness. 377 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: Man. 378 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:12,399 Speaker 7: So you would think that would get maybe TCU and 379 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:14,639 this fans a little bit more confidence. But I would 380 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:17,360 say it just really hasn't had impact impact on how 381 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:18,120 this game is viewed. 382 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:20,399 Speaker 2: For fort work, So what is quota a year over 383 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:24,720 year for a TCU team, is my follow up to that, 384 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:27,440 because you know, I've been covering BAU for a while 385 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,840 now I look at over the last like fifty sixty years, 386 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,480 they average like eight wins a season, So like BAU 387 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,840 fans have become accustomed to eight win seasons, and they 388 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,960 may take into account power for affiliation, et cetera, strength 389 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,200 of schedule elevated. But like I would say, year in 390 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,879 and year out, like if BAU doesn't get to eight wins, 391 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:51,679 BAU fans they get up in arms a little bit. 392 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,679 They're like, Wow, should we make some changes in the coaches. 393 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,960 What's quota for TCU? Do you think year over year? 394 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: Well, I think what they what they want, what they 395 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:00,480 aspire to be. 396 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 7: TCU views itself is one of these programs that can 397 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:05,720 kind of feel that void what that was left by 398 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:06,720 Oklahoma and Texas. 399 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 4: Obviously they're nowhere near as big as. 400 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 7: Institutions as those programs were, but their location in DFW, 401 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,799 their pedigree of having success even when those two teams 402 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:19,000 were in the conference, and like even the administrators, the 403 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,519 athletic directors like tc wants to be at the top. 404 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,000 And I'm not necessarily saying tc wants to win Big 405 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,319 twelve championship every year. But I would say the standard 406 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,000 is maybe less, Like I think TCU fans could stomach 407 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:33,359 a five and seven season if it meant that two 408 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,599 years later, which is now, they'll be planning in Arlington. 409 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:39,559 Speaker 4: But right now, I think, right now, I think the standard. 410 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 7: Is let's say, maybe every every three years you're playing 411 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,200 for a Big Twelve title. 412 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:44,599 Speaker 4: Maybe it's every other season. 413 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 7: And whether or not that realistic in this era, it 414 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,480 remains to be seen. But I think when you're in 415 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,759 the Big Twelve and all these games are decided by 416 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,160 this team, I always decided by one position. TCU feels 417 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,839 like with his talent advantage, they always recruit well Atlanta 418 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,359 DFW kids in the porter. 419 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: From high school TCU. 420 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,319 Speaker 7: I think they feel like they should always be let's say, 421 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,920 top four, top three in the standings year in and 422 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,920 year out. So when you see a Texas Tech kind 423 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,240 of rise up in one year and look like this juggernaut, 424 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,039 I think that worries them. I think when BYU is 425 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:16,599 able to you know, two years ago BYU is a 426 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,240 bad team and now they look like they can make 427 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:20,920 the playoff race, I think right now tc just feels 428 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,519 like you should be at the top of the standings, 429 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:25,240 whether that means a fourth place finish here and then 430 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:27,240 you go, you know, you finished second the first to 431 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,880 next year. So I think right now they're probably finished 432 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,519 sixth or seven, depending on how things shake out. And 433 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:34,559 I could say that's a little bit too low for 434 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:36,319 the TCU fan base and where they want to be 435 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,119 with no Oklahoma and no Texas in the league. 436 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they're at least on part like 437 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:42,680 they like, eight wins may keep your job if you're 438 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,279 a head coach, right, if you're a coordinator, you know 439 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:47,640 what I mean. It's the eight win mark seems to 440 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,359 be the threshold for some of these these teams in 441 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:51,640 the Big Twelve, including TCU. 442 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:53,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. 443 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,279 Speaker 7: I think if that will probably teach you go to one. 444 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,160 So I don't think tc will make a lot of 445 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,400 sweeping changes. They go eight and four, But if you 446 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 finished seven and five or yeah, Alboul he lose these 447 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:05,400 last three games, I think you could you'll see some 448 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,200 major coordinator, major. 449 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: Position of coaches changes. So, I mean, we'll just have 450 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:10,839 to see. 451 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 7: I don't it will take a lot for TCU fans 452 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,359 to view this season as a successful one, even if 453 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,759 you finish eight and four, seven to five, or even 454 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,400 nine to three with a chance to win ten games 455 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,200 in the bowl game. 456 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: That's crazy because I like, you give me nine to 457 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,559 three with a chance to win a bowl game against 458 00:19:24,759 --> 00:19:28,799 like a decent opponent. And maybe it's diluted now in 459 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,519 the bowl series outside of the colleg football playoff and 460 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:35,200 guys you know, deciding that they'd rather train for the 461 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,119 Pro Day and take their talent to the NFL rather 462 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,799 than compete in the bowl games. But I mean, I 463 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,960 feel like ten win seasons, man, and not at least 464 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,799 an opportunity to win ten is is a solid season, 465 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:47,119 all things considered. 466 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,039 Speaker 4: I would agree with you. 467 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 7: And you know, there's I always deal with so much, 468 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,720 you know, people, you know, fans are so emotional now, 469 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,240 and I think it's because of the playoff. Everybody feels like, 470 00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:59,079 you know, hey, we just won our conference. We can 471 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,039 make the playoff, which is obviously different from a couple 472 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:02,480 of years ago, where even if you were the Big 473 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:04,559 twelve champion, there's probably a good chance you're gonna get 474 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:07,400 left out. So I think that increases the expectations, and 475 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,640 I think, like you said, it's a good point. I 476 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,000 think TC fans still have a bad taste in their 477 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,960 mouth from winning eight games last year and getting sent 478 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,400 to the New Mexico Bowl against I think Louisiana. So 479 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,640 I just think for them, there's just a hunger to 480 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,960 get back to the mountaintop because that twenty twenty two 481 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,759 season was so magical, and I just think there's a fear, 482 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:28,319 there's a word that maybe that was the best of 483 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,559 the Sunnay Dice era. And when you lose like the 484 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:32,640 way you did against Ilous State and obviously areas on 485 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,400 the state, that only reinforces some of those serious So 486 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,319 I would agree with you. I don't think Sunny Dice 487 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,000 is on the hot seat. But let's say they finished 488 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,160 seventy five, even they would go eight and five. I 489 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,759 think year five would be kind of hey man, you 490 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:45,799 gotta make it to Orleans. 491 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: That are Maybe TCU does a side about thinking making 492 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,079 a change. 493 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,319 Speaker 2: Injury report wise, how you feel in health wise. I 494 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,200 saw the initial injury report drop on Wednesday evening. 495 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: Break that down for US, well, TC would be obvious 496 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:00,359 leading Russia. 497 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 7: Kavorian Barnes, He's been the most effected running back all season. 498 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:06,039 I was a bit of surprise he was a transfer 499 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:09,319 from you Texas San Antonio that kind of came out of. 500 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 4: Nowhere to earn the running back one job. 501 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 7: It's kind of just been unfortunately, he's never really gotten 502 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:14,680 back healthy. 503 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,319 Speaker 4: I think he got hurt in the second. 504 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 7: Game against Abilene Christians and he's been on and off 505 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,200 the injury port ever ever since. So without him, he 506 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:25,559 brings kind of some great power. He has great vision 507 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,880 with his jump cuts. He's the type of running back 508 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,160 that I think you really need against the YU defense, 509 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,319 It's really hard to bring him down their first contact. 510 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,799 Speaker 4: So that will make tc rely on that have. 511 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 7: Some faster running backs, more slashers. But I think they 512 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:42,359 really missed the presidence of Kavorian Barnes. The only really 513 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,759 other notable names on there is obviously the starting kicker, 514 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:47,480 Kyle Limmerman, who's been out I think also since the 515 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:51,240 Abilene Christian game. Without him, it's kind of hindered TCU's 516 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,640 field goal game. So I think you'll probably see t 517 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,440 should be a lot more aggressive on fourth down and 518 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:58,480 I'm not sure man they might need to be inside 519 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,680 the twenty to feel comfortable kick and kicking with a 520 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:04,640 back of kicker Natan the Cashlan true freshman slot receiver 521 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:06,680 Ed Small will be out for a second straight game. 522 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,240 He's been about the fourth receiver. He's a really good, 523 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,240 really good player to have a bright future. But TC's 524 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:14,200 expecting to have his starters. I'm not sure how big 525 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,720 of a loss he'll be, but I think Lemmerman being 526 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:19,440 out in Cavorian, Barnesby and I will be significant hurts 527 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,440 for TC to overcome. 528 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: Love great breakdown, man, How can we support you? All 529 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,359 of our listeners? How can they support you? What you do, 530 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,079 how you do it? How where they can? Where can 531 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,640 they find your tweets, your zets or whatever and everything 532 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,559 that you're writing about. 533 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 7: You can find most of my stories and on my 534 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:39,640 tweets on my Twitter page is Steven M. Johnson Underscore 535 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,839 on the social media. I'm looking forward to Provo. I've 536 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,039 heard the view from the stadium as is elite. 537 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,279 Speaker 2: It is, man, Yeah, what have you? What are you 538 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:49,599 looking to do when you get out to Provo? 539 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,799 Speaker 7: Well, it's some of all the flights and all that 540 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,240 miss is done. Hopefully I'll get a chance to explore 541 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:59,359 since it's such a late to kickoff on Big Mountain guys, 542 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,079 So hopefully the and permitted me to get out and 543 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:02,799 getting the hike and just see more of the city. 544 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,079 I went to Salt Lake City last year, so it 545 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,319 won't be my first time in Utah, but I was 546 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,359 really just blown away by how beautiful the state was 547 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,440 when I came last year. 548 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, where you are you staying in Salt Lake? Are 549 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,319 you staying in? 550 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 4: Uh? 551 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 3: In Provo? Where you're flying into. 552 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,799 Speaker 7: I'm flying into Provo and I'm staying and I think 553 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:20,680 it's arm Is. 554 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: That how you get warm? 555 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: Yep? Yes, all right, well not too far from the pro. 556 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,079 Speaker 2: We'll send a couple of to dows over your way 557 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,440 if you have time, you can, you can get after it. 558 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720 So good, Yes, sir, appreciate it. All right, there you go, 559 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,680 Steven M. Johnson, Ladies and gentlemen, another folk. Thanks so much, Steven, 560 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,720 will see you in the press box. 561 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,839 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. Guys. 562 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: There you go. That's Steven M. 563 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,079 Speaker 2: Johnson and award winning reporter, teach you beat writer for 564 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,359 the four Worth Star Telegram. Your thoughts, your comment here, 565 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,039 your follow up, Ronald of the three Man Weaver. 566 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, always good stuff from Steve. Good to have him 567 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,519 on the program. We've had him now three years in 568 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,440 a row is the reason why he's at a or 569 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,160 win a journalist is to give him a quick plug. 570 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,599 Need to text him he needs to go to Chubbies 571 00:23:57,599 --> 00:23:59,799 because he might be staying at that hotel right across 572 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:01,559 the reach, so that's true. Might have to tell him 573 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:04,480 that shout out to the Smow family. Saw them at 574 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,799 the basketball game the other day. Anyway, I think this 575 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,480 is pretty interesting. The third down struggles for the horn 576 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:12,039 Frogs on defense that they have a good defense, but 577 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,559 they struggle getting off the field. BA has been very 578 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,000 good in the run game with that quarterback draw with Bear. 579 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,640 On third down, He's converted a handful of third and long. 580 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,599 So you have to think is BA is going to 581 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,759 be able to take advantage of that this TCU has 582 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,599 that has had that deficiency up until the Texas Tech game. 583 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,319 BA has been able to convert third down. So that's 584 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,440 something I'm looking at bend of like that might be 585 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,079 something you can capitalize off of, especially Saturday Night Vampire 586 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,480 Koug's under the Lights late kickoff. I think that's something 587 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,440 that you'll definitely see Aaron Roddick try to exploit. 588 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 3: Gonna be interesting one, no doubt about it. 589 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 2: The other element I was looking at here when I 590 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,119 was comparing and contrasting these teams. B YU have I 591 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,960 think thirteen players in the NFL right now. TCU is 592 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,680 still putting out talent. They got twenty guys. They got 593 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,279 twenty guys out of that squad over the years. 594 00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 4: Now. 595 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: Andy Dalton, I think is still on a roster. 596 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 5: So yeah, somewhere. 597 00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,599 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a guy I competed against. He's been 598 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,720 in the league for a minute. 599 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: But Quinn Johnson, their star receiver from that was it 600 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,000 a national championship is playing for the LA Chargers. 601 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, receiver number one. Like the god guys Ben, Yeah, 602 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,640 they've They're always acquired great talent. They're at TCU and 603 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,640 and can compete with the best of them. 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We got Chadwick on the my maximiss, how 643 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,599 are you good? 644 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,039 Speaker 8: Are you doing? 645 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: Ben doing fantastic? 646 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: It's November, baby, And getting into the thick of it 647 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:12,119 with the College Football Playoff Committee and their rankings. Do 648 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,759 you feel like the Playoff Committee has got it right 649 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,319 through the first couple of weeks. 650 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 8: Now, you know, I think they're doing a solid job overall. 651 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,079 Speaker 6: There's still definitely a few things I disagree with. I 652 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,200 don't agree with their name being as high as they are. 653 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,400 I don't think they should be above other two loss teams, 654 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119 or even BYU for that matter. I still think YU 655 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,000 should be somewhere in the top ten, even with their 656 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,279 loss of Texas Tech recently. So it's definitely things I 657 00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:37,359 disagree with for now, but I don't think it's been 658 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,559 too egregious so far. 659 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's delve into that. Notre Dame. 660 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: Why are they so overrated right right now? Why would 661 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,559 you say? What where should they be? 662 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 4: Do you think I would rank. 663 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 8: Them outside the top ten? I think this should be 664 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,240 somewhere in the top fifteen. 665 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 6: But I think you look at some of the other 666 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,720 two loss teams that we have in the country and 667 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,440 their resumes. 668 00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:59,039 Speaker 8: I mean, I think Texas what they've done. 669 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 6: This year is way more presive then when Notre Dame 670 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:05,039 has done this year. I think Oklahoma has done more 671 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,880 than Notre Dame this year. I think you can argue 672 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,359 Vanderbilt has done more than Notre Dame this year, and 673 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,920 I think even I think you can argue even Miami. 674 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:13,599 I don't think it's done more than Notre Dame, but 675 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,839 they have beat Notre Dame, right, I think the resumes 676 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,880 are are pretty similar otherwise, So maybe. 677 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,799 Speaker 8: It'll change this weekend. 678 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 6: If Notre Dame does beat Pigs, that will be a 679 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,039 good win for Notre Dame. But I just think the 680 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,079 resume right now, Notre Dame should definitely not be above 681 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,079 Texas or Oklahoma in my opinion, and then you can 682 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,599 argue for Vanderbilt Miami. Then, like I said, I think 683 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,839 BYU should be above all those schools right now too. 684 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,279 Speaker 2: Who is by you by your purview, right by your perspective, 685 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,960 Where should they be ranked? What type of team is? 686 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,279 It's just a college football playoff team? Do you think 687 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,400 in b YU. 688 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:49,519 Speaker 6: It depends, you know. I think right now I put 689 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,319 them in the playoff. I think in my personal playoff 690 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,880 has available at PEMA dot com, I had DYU as 691 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,119 the nine seed going against Oregon in the first round. 692 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,960 So I think right now they should be with only 693 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,000 one loss of the year and some impressive wins over 694 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,519 Utah obviously too. But I think at the end of 695 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:07,359 the year will they be that's a different question. I 696 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,440 think if they finished the year eleven and one, if 697 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,480 they go to the Big twelve title game, if they 698 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,160 play Texas Teck again, and if they say if they 699 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,599 lose that game again, they probably won't be in for 700 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,960 the actual playoff committee. 701 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 8: But I might argue they should be in at eleven 702 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,319 and two, but. 703 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,799 Speaker 6: They might need to win out and beat Texas Tech 704 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:26,960 in the Big twelve title game in order to get 705 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,799 into the playoffs. 706 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: Do if it's a closer game, if it's a competitive game, 707 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,279 it's some one score game. Is there going to be 708 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,359 some stylistic human elements that could push them into the 709 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,200 playoff with a really nice showing in the Big twelve 710 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,839 Championship game if that's what it comes. 711 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 8: To, Yeah, I think so. I think that could definitely 712 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,160 play a part. 713 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,559 Speaker 6: You know, I don't really sometimes I just don't know 714 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,359 what the committee goes off of sometimes. So I think 715 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:51,839 that'll definitely help, you know, obviously losing by twenty two 716 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,799 points this past weekend and help eau's case at all 717 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,519 why they drop so far in the rankings. But yeah, 718 00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,119 I definitely think if they play a close game in 719 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Texas Tech and the Big twelve title game, that would help. 720 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 8: And obviously if you beat. 721 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 6: Some good teams like Cincinnati and TCU coming up down 722 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,119 the stretch, that will help their case. 723 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 8: Two. 724 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 6: So yeah, I think I think in eleven and two, 725 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,519 b YU can certainly probably should get in the playoffs. 726 00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,039 But will they I don't know. 727 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's crazy times. 728 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,119 Speaker 2: B YU has TCU at home, then Cincinnati on the road, 729 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,839 and USF at home. You know what's the most troublesome 730 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,799 game there on the schedule, do you think? And uh, 731 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:29,559 do you think they they go three and oo on 732 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:30,240 the back half. 733 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the Cincinnati game is pretty easily the 734 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,880 hardest game. I think the TCU game should be watched 735 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,440 this weekend. I think it's gonna be a close one. 736 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,839 I do think TCU matches up well BYU in a 737 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,279 lot of ways. So we actually we preview that that 738 00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:44,599 game on our on our show, if you want to 739 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,039 check it out. 740 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,039 Speaker 8: But uh, yeah, I think that Cincinnati game on the road. 741 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 6: I hopefully, hopefully I'll be going to that game. I 742 00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:51,839 do live in Cincinnati, and I'll be an awesome game 743 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,240 to go to. 744 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 745 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's definitely the most dangerous one left. 746 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,599 Sinnati is the best team they have left for their schedule, 747 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,039 and his as Cincinnati and both teams kind of fighting 748 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,160 for a spot in the Big twelve title game right now. 749 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,000 So I think that is absolutely the most dangerous game 750 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:06,880 left for b YU. 751 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,039 Speaker 2: As far as pro football focused rankings are concerned, Like 752 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,400 they're great, Like I know, this is something you guys 753 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,519 grade out and you compare each team to each other. 754 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,519 Where does BYU grade out per PFF versus the other 755 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,720 teams of college football thus far this year? 756 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, buyu's grades. 757 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,519 Speaker 6: At least this year, their overall greatest is twenty eighth 758 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,200 in the country. Now, some of it has to do 759 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720 with the schedule they've played, and how it's been a 760 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,839 little bit harder our schedule than say like a Toledo 761 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,160 for example, is number nine in our grading in North 762 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,759 Texas and James Madison for example, to San Diego State. 763 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,039 So there is a little bit of that. You got 764 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,920 to adjust for that. But you know, just purely grading wise, 765 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400 BYU is twenty eighth in the country. And obviously they 766 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,559 took a tumble this past weekend after getting kind of 767 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,519 dominated by Texas Tech and all aspects. 768 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:58,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting. 769 00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:02,319 Speaker 2: You know, Bear box Meyer has graded out decently, I 770 00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:04,720 think for a true freshman quarterback. Where does he sit 771 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:10,160 comparative to other true freshman quarterbacks in college football right now? 772 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: How does he grade out? 773 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,599 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been doing really well this year. I think 774 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,160 he's still been a really good quarterback. Even if if 775 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,480 the games I guess Texas Tack wasn't great. He's actually 776 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,200 still the highest graded true freshman quarterback that we have 777 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,440 in college football at seventy six point four, right ahead 778 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,279 of Jaron kave Sunko, Polo Telly from cal and then 779 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,680 Malik Washington from from Maryland, and then Bryce Lender was 780 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,880 only a few points behind them too. So it's definitely 781 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,559 a lot closer than it was before the Texas Tech game. 782 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,319 But bear Bachmeyer is still our highest graded true freshman 783 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:43,759 quarterback in college football right now. 784 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:49,559 Speaker 2: Crazy BYU fans. You know, they've debated this, They've gone 785 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,400 back and forth. Did they upgrade? Did they downgrade? Did 786 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,599 they stay at neutral by losing Jake Retzlov and acquiring 787 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:58,039 Bear Bachmeyer. 788 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: When you look at it, you see I mean, I know. 789 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,759 Speaker 2: Jake's supporting cast is different there at Toledo, but he's 790 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,079 played pretty well thus far this year as a right 791 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,599 shirt senior. He's a JUCO All American and he's got 792 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,240 a lot of experience under his belt versus the strength 793 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:13,680 of schedule. 794 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: How do you see it? 795 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: Do you think b YU upgraded, downgraded or state neutral 796 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,839 in the quarterback round? 797 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 4: So I think he's. 798 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 6: Pretty neutral, which is ultimately probably an upgrade considering how 799 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,799 much older Jake Restloff is than Bear Bachmeyer. Right now, 800 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:27,960 I think Jake has definitely played better than Bear this 801 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:31,559 year at Tulane, But don't I don't think I think 802 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:33,440 you got adjust for schedule in that too, all right. 803 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,279 I think Jake did an unbelievable job this past weekend 804 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,680 against Memphis. He was maybe his best game of his 805 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,000 career when Tulane beat Memphis this past weekend at Memphis. 806 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,680 So but other than that, I thought last year, what 807 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,160 Jake did at BYU is pretty much the same as 808 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,039 what Bear is doing right now, because Jake was a 809 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,119 lot older than obviously Bear Blackmer was right now too. 810 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,279 So I think I think Bu Yu upgraded in a 811 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,759 sense that like, hey, you got a true freshman who's 812 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,400 playing very well, and you're gonna have that kid for 813 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,920 at least the next two years, if not three years, right, 814 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,359 So it's it's I think Yu is very happy right 815 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:08,639 now with what they have a quarterback. 816 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,079 Speaker 2: Max Chadwick Pro Football Focus here on ESPN the Fan. 817 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,119 What topics have you guys been broaching on your show 818 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,920 recently and how can our listeners find that show? 819 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 8: Yes, we do our preview show on Tuesday. 820 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,119 Speaker 6: Like I said, the b y U TCU game is 821 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:25,559 one of the games, one of the ten games that 822 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,360 we previewed should be a massive, massive Week twelve of 823 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,599 college football. And then actually tomorrow we're going live on 824 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,440 the show and giving our predictions for who will take 825 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,800 every Power for opening that we have in college football 826 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,599 right now too, because obviously it's gonna be a wild, 827 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,679 wild coaching carousel that we have with right now nine 828 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Power four openings, maybe even more once the domino starts 829 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,159 to fall too, So yeah, it's gonna be a wild 830 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,760 coaching carousel. So we're gonna try our best to make 831 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,920 our official predictions for who will take all those jobs tomorrow. 832 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,119 Speaker 2: Love that you feel like, you know, like he's gonna 833 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,480 get some calls or do you think he's uh, he's 834 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,960 there in provo for the foreseeable future. 835 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 6: You know what, I've heard his name floated out there 836 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:11,639 for the UCLA job. I just don't think it's an 837 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,440 upgrade at all. I know, I think the b YU 838 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,679 job is far better than CLA job. So that's the 839 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,559 only one I've really heard his name being floated out there. 840 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:23,880 So if that's the only competition b AU to keep 841 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,559 Kalani Satakia. I think the Cougars will be just fine 842 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,920 and doing that, I just I think by using far 843 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:32,440 far better job than UCLA right now. So yeah, I 844 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,360 think I think it will be the BYU coach for 845 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,320 the foreseeable future. 846 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: Where you at. 847 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:40,679 Speaker 2: I mean, look, obviously conference affiliation matters these days, and 848 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,159 the Big Twelve and the ACC. I was competing for 849 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,480 and jocking for that Power three spot if you will. 850 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:48,800 How many teams do you think are going to get 851 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,639 into the College Football Playoff from the Big twelve the ACC. 852 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:54,559 Speaker 4: Agency? 853 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:55,119 Speaker 8: I think one. 854 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,159 Speaker 6: I don't know if we get multiple teams from the 855 00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,800 AEC now it depends. Maybe maybe Miami can sneak in 856 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,960 as at large and maybe whoever wins the a SEC 857 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,360 will get in as the one of the conference champions. 858 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,599 Maybe that happens, But I think that Miami needs some 859 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,480 help right now. I would say the way they're ranked 860 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,800 right now, even if they shouldn't need help in my opinion. 861 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,159 But the Big Twelve is a little different. I think 862 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:17,239 Big twelve you can get probably two. I think Texas 863 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,239 Tech if they win, if they go eleven and one, 864 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,719 and then say say if they lose, maybe in the 865 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,000 Big Twelve Title game at eleven and two, they can 866 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,280 get in as a large and then whoever loses, whoever 867 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,599 wins that Big Twelve title game, most likely either b 868 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,559 YU or Cincinnati, they probably. 869 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,159 Speaker 8: Get that spot. 870 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:34,519 Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that Big Twelve is is been 871 00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:35,840 a better spot than the Agency right now. 872 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,079 Speaker 8: I think the Big Twelve could get multiple. 873 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 6: Teams in the playoffs, whereas I think right now at 874 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,239 least the AEC is most likely gonna get one. 875 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 4: Team in the playoffs. 876 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,679 Speaker 2: Gonna be awesome to watch in these final few weeks 877 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:51,079 of college football. Max, as far as the Big Twelve 878 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,480 is concerned, you know where do you you know, where 879 00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:57,559 do you see this Big twelve conference going in the 880 00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,280 years to come? We see Texas Tech B So why 881 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,400 you right now at the forefront Utah still playing good football? 882 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,960 You know, when you combine nil, you combine the transfer portal, 883 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,519 you combine what these teams are investing into their athletic 884 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,079 departments with maybe even revshare trickle down to the players. 885 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,159 Do you feel like the Big twelve is properly and 886 00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:22,639 competitively situated to really compete against and with the SEC 887 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:23,280 in Big Ten? 888 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? 889 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,559 Speaker 6: I think you know, they're still not going to be 890 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:28,519 the one of the top two conferences, but I think 891 00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,199 them in the ACC will be competing for the number 892 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,960 three spot for sure. And I think there are some 893 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,039 programs in the Big twelve to be excited about. And 894 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,320 you know, now that Texas and Oklahoma are gone from 895 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,039 that conference, it's a wide open conference. You know, those 896 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,480 two kind of dominated that conference for a very long time, 897 00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:43,840 and now that they're in the SEC, you know it's 898 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,000 there for the taken now. I think one school that's 899 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,920 very well positioned to make a leap there is Texas Tech, 900 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,199 who is obviously investing a lot of money into their 901 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000 program right now. They have like a billionaire who played 902 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,159 football at Texas Tech. 903 00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 8: That is just you know, funneling money into that programming. 904 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 4: See it. 905 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:02,599 Speaker 6: By the way, they're recruiting right now. And then b 906 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,400 I used one position there too with you've got a 907 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,400 great coaching staff there. You bring in some really highly 908 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,159 rated recruits too, you in basketball and football, honestly, Agent 909 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,480 de Bondsman basketball and obviously Ryder Lions and football. The 910 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,519 five star quarterback coming in in a couple of years too. 911 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,639 So yeah, I think there's a lot of schools. Utah 912 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,760 should still be up there too. It's a wide open 913 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,920 conference and that probably won't change either. I think the 914 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,239 Big twelve will probably be a wide open conference for 915 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,400 a very long time now that Texas and Oklahoma are gone. 916 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to see the jockeying for position even 917 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:36,920 within the Big ten and the SUC a lot of parody, 918 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,119 a lot of two loss teams, even two three loss 919 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,760 teams in the top twenty five. Have we ever seen 920 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,599 this three loss teams in the top twenty five. 921 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems that have happened at the end of 922 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:50,840 the year usually, but they are starting to put these 923 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,880 teams earlier in the year in the top twenty five. 924 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,679 So yeah, at the end of the year, we definitely 925 00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,199 will get a ton of ninety three and maybe even 926 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,639 eight and four teams in the top twenty five. But yeah, 927 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,920 it is a little odd that teams like Iowa are 928 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,599 still in the top twenty five in my opinion too. 929 00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,840 So yeah, I think there's some three lost teams that 930 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,880 I personally would rank in the top twenty five, like 931 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,719 say Illinois and Tennessee, and maybe even like an Arizona 932 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,079 state too. But the Iowa was a little a little 933 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,760 puzzling to make yeah crazy times. 934 00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 2: Max Chadwick, PFF analysts insider for College Football talking to 935 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,119 College Football, Big Twelve and BYU here on ESPN The Fan. 936 00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,679 A lot of the analytics love Utah. You know, margin 937 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400 of victory right now, they're averaging, you know, kind of 938 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,239 an absurd margin of victory. 939 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,039 Speaker 3: As is Texas Tech. 940 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 2: But they lost the head to head versus BYU at 941 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,000 Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Are you feeling like, you know, what's 942 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:48,079 the probability of Utah maybe getting ahead with their remaining schedule, 943 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,840 surpassing BYU and getting into the Big Twelve Championship. 944 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,599 Speaker 8: I don't think it's likely. 945 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 6: I think Utah needs a lot of help to get 946 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,119 into the Big twelve title games. 947 00:39:58,159 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 8: Like you mentioned the two of Utah does I'm. 948 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,199 Speaker 6: Sorry, I just still has a tiebreaker over Utah, so 949 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,360 that is one thing if BYU lose it again, like 950 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,920 to say, Ccinnati or TCU or whoever. I do not 951 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,800 think they should be below Utah in the ranking, but 952 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,800 they're so close together right now that it is possible. 953 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 8: I think Utah is very over ranked right now. I 954 00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:18,800 don't think it should be. 955 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 6: I think thirteen they are in the playoff Committee's ranking 956 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,800 right now. I had them like nineteen or something like that, 957 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,920 so I think it's they're over ranked right now. So yeah, 958 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,280 it's gonna be a weird conversation to have. If BYU 959 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,280 does lose another game in the regular season, whether or 960 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,079 not Utah jumps, then I think they might, which I 961 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,480 would disagree with, but that's kind of the way the 962 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,360 committee is shaking out to me right now. 963 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: Max, always appreciate our toime, love delving into these topics 964 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,559 with you. As far as the last thing here, BYU 965 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,119 football players, you know, I always like to ask this, 966 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,559 who are the highest graded BYU football players through these 967 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,079 these nine games that they've played offensively defensively? 968 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,679 Speaker 3: How would you great them out there at PFF. 969 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a lot of a lot of 970 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,079 good football players on b YU right now. I think 971 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,159 you look at at their defense. I think their defense 972 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:10,880 has been pretty good this year. I think Tanner Wall 973 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,719 jumps out. He is a seventy nine point seven grade 974 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,280 this year. And honestly their other stafety two on Folo 975 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,039 Tosatwala as a seventy eighth grade this year as well. 976 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 8: So those are two to. 977 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 6: Stick out defensively for BYU and then offensively, either good 978 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,440 guys like Bruce Mitchell, the center for BYU. He's the 979 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,119 highest graded offensive player right now for them at seventy 980 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,320 nine point six, and then L J. Martin and Belt 981 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,719 Barrett Bachmeyer are not too far behind them either with 982 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,199 about seventy six point six grades and seventy six point 983 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,800 four for Barret Bachmeyer two. So those are kind of 984 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,440 the highest grade players that we have right now for 985 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,280 b YU this year. 986 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 2: Love it, Max, We salute you, We appreciate you once again. 987 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,519 Best way to support you. What you do, how you 988 00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:51,639 do it there at PFF. 989 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I host the PFF College Football Show, which 990 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,360 is on YouTube and ay very good podcast. 991 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,199 Speaker 8: Like I said, we did. We did a by U 992 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:00,880 TCU preview a. 993 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 6: Couple of days ago to go check that out and 994 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,760 then it all lives on PFF dot com, so you're 995 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,760 gonna check that out too. 996 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 3: Love it Max, Thank you so much as always, thanks 997 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:09,800 for hopping on. 998 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 2: Thanks guys there go that's Max Chadwick. Follow him on 999 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,480 X and check out the podcast. That segment brought to 1000 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:18,760 you by Rubies ndrubies in dot com. Head on over 1001 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,320 to rubiesand dot Com forwards. 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Ronald, what do you got 1011 00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:41,880 for me? 1012 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 5: Hopefully get that Disney credit card that you talked a. 1013 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I will, Maybe you will. 1014 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:45,639 Speaker 4: No. 1015 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 5: I just thought that was pretty interesting. Look, we know 1016 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,880 about Tannel Wall follows out to Wala, LJ. Martin, Bear 1017 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,440 Bakomar right been a name that probably doesn't get mentioned 1018 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,000 as much. Bruce Mitchell. I thought that was pretty interest 1019 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,360 that Brucey is the highest graded BAU offensive player. And 1020 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,400 if you go back you look at the numbers, Bruce 1021 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,119 is up there with the post. So I thought that 1022 00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,320 really stands out. We've had Brady Pipingo on multiple times 1023 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,639 reminder to the fans and Bruce is playing defensive lineman. 1024 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,320 In the twenty twenty three season, switch back to and 1025 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,760 Connor pay he got hurt and he came in, and 1026 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,599 Bruce is doing a phenomenal job. Like that's an NFL lineman. 1027 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,519 Ben like Bruce gonna have an opportunity to get drafted. 1028 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,119 I like the way Bruce is grading out because I 1029 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:24,360 know he's probably great now at a high level, probably 1030 00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:26,360 you know, with the NFL scouts as well. So I 1031 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,760 just wanted to touch on that and give Bruce some 1032 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,800 love because Bruce is a big part of his offense 1033 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,960 and I think he's got one more year of eligibility, 1034 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,559 maybe two, but you need to retain him if you can. 1035 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,159 Speaker 3: The tip of the spear, as they call it. They're upfront. 1036 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,519 Speaker 2: It all starts up front, and it starts with that 1037 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,719 center quarterback exchange. 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