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Speaker 2: returning guest and a friend of mine. We've been on
Speaker 2: some adventures. We've been searching for the Sam Squench out
Speaker 2: in the Smoky Mountains at East Tennessee. This man was
Speaker 2: featured in my reel, my highlight reel, and he come
Speaker 2: down from the Midwest area and had some really cool
Speaker 2: experiences down in the woods, and so you saw him
Speaker 2: in some of those trailers. But I'd like to welcome
Speaker 2: back to the show for wait a minute. This is
Speaker 2: the first time you've been here. I believe I've been
Speaker 2: on yours. This is your first time here, So welcome
Speaker 2: first time, first of many Riley from the Midwest. Smith Ods,
Speaker 2: what's up? Riley?
Speaker 3: What's up? Brother man? I know it feels like we've
Speaker 3: done so much stuff together in the past six months
Speaker 3: that you know, it feels like I've been on your
Speaker 3: show before you've been on Mind. But we've done so
Speaker 3: many roundtables, so many well the documentary camping shoot. I
Speaker 3: evens at your house, maters of the universe, of the universe,
Speaker 3: I think inside joke right there? Oh yeah, great movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh well brother. Just for those maybe that have been
Speaker 2: living under a rock and hasn't seen you and what
Speaker 2: you do. Give everybody a little intro, introduce yourself, you
Speaker 2: show what you talk about, interests and likes, all that
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 3: All right. So I'm Riley. I'm hosting the Midwest Mytholds podcast.
Speaker 3: I come to you from the wild, the crazy, the
Speaker 3: flattest areas on the Earth. I come from the Michigan
Speaker 3: Indiana border, bringing you stories of high strangeness, mysteries, ancient history,
Speaker 3: those small local legends that you may have never heard
Speaker 3: of in your entire life. Some of the craziest theories
Speaker 3: that you can think of. Man, And I do this
Speaker 3: all from my basement and it's.
Speaker 2: Fun.
Speaker 3: Man. I've been into the stuff ever since I was
Speaker 3: a little boy. My intro if you ever get my
Speaker 3: show a listen, my intro is my little story. Man.
Speaker 3: I've been interested in things. I've known people's stories with
Speaker 3: creatures and seem unbelievable, but they got the scars and
Speaker 3: stuff to prove them. And I've had my fair share
Speaker 3: of stuff throughout my life. I just the area I'm
Speaker 3: from in the Midwest, we got a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know what, why not make
Speaker 3: a podcast about it. I've been listening to podcasts for
Speaker 3: years and years since I was in high school, and decided,
Speaker 3: you know what, I might as well do it. Already
Speaker 3: been collecting all this research. I had journals, books, everything
Speaker 3: from creatures, ghosts, aliens, all that good stuff in Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin,
Speaker 3: that whole little area. So I figured out I might
Speaker 3: as well bring it to you guys to hear. And
Speaker 3: just because my show's Midwest mythos does not mean I
Speaker 3: only talk about the stuff in the Midwest. Typically my
Speaker 3: deep dives are. But I talked to people from all
Speaker 3: over the world and all sorts of different things. And
Speaker 3: you know you can find that. You can find these
Speaker 3: anywhere you can find I got the videos on the
Speaker 3: YouTube and anywhere you can listen to podcasts with the
Speaker 3: Midwest Mythos Man and met a lot of great people
Speaker 3: such as Doc Brown here on this journey minute. And
Speaker 3: that's the best part about this man, getting to meet
Speaker 3: the people.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree, one er present. I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: into history and into deep diving some of these stranger subjects, Man,
Speaker 2: podcasting is a god send for people like us because
Speaker 2: we can dive through all the stuff we find fascinating,
Speaker 2: tell people our opinions and what we think and what
Speaker 2: we found, and then we get to network with other
Speaker 2: people that share our passion and our joy and we
Speaker 2: get to exchange our puzzle pieces, as I like to say,
Speaker 2: because you know, we all have pieces of it. So
Speaker 2: the more people we sit down with and exchange conversations
Speaker 2: and ideas with Man, the more fuller picture we're going
Speaker 2: to get. And yeah, you can tell the people that
Speaker 2: do this and enjoy it because they have that permanent
Speaker 2: grin on their faith the whole time. The cheese and.
Speaker 3: Yes sir, yes sir. And Man, I'm glad you brought
Speaker 3: up the puzzle piece thing because I remember when I
Speaker 3: first had you on my show a couple months back,
Speaker 3: that's one of the things that we were like. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, Man, you say that to and because
Speaker 3: that's what that's another thing too. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: a good way to genuinely find if somebody's in this
Speaker 3: because they want answers, they want to know what's going on,
Speaker 3: compared to just wanting to do it for fame and say, hey,
Speaker 3: I got a podcast, man, because I remember what roasting there.
Speaker 3: I got my puzzle piece, you got yours. Let's don't
Speaker 3: do this, Let's get more people, Let's do all this man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's too many shows out there nowadays in
Speaker 2: my opinion. That and they're big shows, you know, lots
Speaker 2: of people watching listen to them. I mean, they've made it.
Speaker 2: But it's like for me from a reach researcher standpoint,
Speaker 2: you know, in a searcher standpoint, it's like I enjoy
Speaker 2: some of these shows subjects, but for like the most
Speaker 2: part the show itself, it's like they're disc jockeys, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean that they're not reading books, they're
Speaker 2: not studying, they don't have their own opinions. They just
Speaker 2: have a show and they invite these people on and
Speaker 2: these big name guests see how many listeners and stuff
Speaker 2: they got, and then they automatically come on the show
Speaker 2: and they just sit back and let the guest take
Speaker 2: over the show man, and it's like, oh, man, come on,
Speaker 2: I want some conversations brothers.
Speaker 3: I feel that man. So like I'm not the biggest
Speaker 3: reader on the entire planet. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of our friends, including yourself, like to read
Speaker 3: a lot. So I've always I mean, I read, but
Speaker 3: I've always.
Speaker 2: Been an audio book man.
Speaker 3: Audio book Oh yeah, trust me, I got my fair
Speaker 3: share of credits on Audible. I had to buy quite
Speaker 3: a bit of them. But uh, like I've always been
Speaker 3: I like to talk to people. I'm one of those
Speaker 3: people that can just walk into a room full of
Speaker 3: one hundred people I don't know and I'll become best
Speaker 3: friends with over half of them just from talking to them.
Speaker 3: And I like here, I'm very much a listener for
Speaker 3: the most part. Like I like to hear people's stories
Speaker 3: and then really get it, like tear them apart at
Speaker 3: the end, just really get it. Let's get all the details.
Speaker 3: And usually that ends up leading into another hour or
Speaker 3: two conversation. Sometimes my wife, it drives my wife crazy.
Speaker 3: We'll get a new We'll get a new person that
Speaker 3: walks into our church, and of course I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: the one that goes up and introduces them myself to him,
Speaker 3: start talking. Oh you know, tell me your story, let's
Speaker 3: hear about it. And then oh, yeah, well have you
Speaker 3: ever thought about it like this? And then next thing
Speaker 3: you know, we're there for another half hour. She's like, Riley,
Speaker 3: we gotta go. You do this everywhere. I've seen you
Speaker 3: do it at a Burger King before. I just like
Speaker 3: hearing people's stories. That's what we're here for, like to
Speaker 3: share our lives. It's boring if you don't tell somebody
Speaker 3: your story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I know we were talking
Speaker 2: pre roll. Definitely want to dive into some of the
Speaker 2: Midwest mythos and one of those conversations, like you were
Speaker 2: talking about me and you struck up a conversation when
Speaker 2: you came down to Tennessee and we were hanging out
Speaker 2: and you'd mentioned something that I had never heard of before,
Speaker 2: And if you don't mind, I'd like to kick you
Speaker 2: off there, because I'm sure if I haven't heard of it,
Speaker 2: there's probably a large handful of the listeners that's not
Speaker 2: heard of it neither. But what is the melon Heads?
Speaker 2: You mentioned this to me and we started talking about it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, what are you talking about? You're
Speaker 2: talking about you know that movie back in the day,
Speaker 2: Cone Heads is that what we're talking about here is
Speaker 2: that what they were alluding to, what is the melon heads? Brother?
Speaker 2: And where did this all come from? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: So the melon heads are depending where you're at, there's
Speaker 3: three locations that they're real prominent. But today I'm going
Speaker 3: to focus on the ones in Holland slash Saugatuck and Michigan.
Speaker 3: And they are a feral people with engorge heads due
Speaker 3: to a hydrocephaliac which is waterhead syndrome. And they supposedly
Speaker 3: stalk the woods of tak in Holland. So basically that
Speaker 3: whole little area. You can look it up on Google Maps.
Speaker 3: It's pretty wooded area. It's also touristy, a lot of breweries,
Speaker 3: tons and tons of breweries, so if you like beer,
Speaker 3: go check it out. But they got a lot of
Speaker 3: nature trails and preserves and stuff like that too. But
Speaker 3: these belum heads, and I guess PSA some people the
Speaker 3: language that I'm gonna use to describe these, I know
Speaker 3: it's a sense of toic topic for some people, but
Speaker 3: this is just how we talk about it in the area.
Speaker 3: There's zero disrespect behind it whatsoever. But they have these
Speaker 3: giant heads and they're not necessarily. It's not like they
Speaker 3: look like Stewie from Family Guy or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But they're just these giant, massive domes. It do the
Speaker 3: water pressure against the brain and stuff like that in
Speaker 3: the medical field. Now we'll get into some other possibilities,
Speaker 3: but they they reside near the Felt Mansion in Allegan County, Michigan,
Speaker 3: which is in Holland. The Felt Mansion was built in
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty eight by Doorfelt as a summer home for
Speaker 3: his wife. Now that's the most concrete evidence that we
Speaker 3: have as far as the story for this building until
Speaker 3: present day. Where skipping ahead. Now, it's a place where
Speaker 3: you can have your wedding reception and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: family renions. It's a really nice place. But in between
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty eight and twenty sixteen, that's where things begin
Speaker 3: to get a little blurry for this. Some people say
Speaker 3: it was a school for like trouble kids. At other
Speaker 3: times it was a sanatorium insane asylum. And that's where
Speaker 3: the most common story comes into place for the origin
Speaker 3: of these melon heads so supposedly in sorry, I got
Speaker 3: so many notes here on this. There was a doctor
Speaker 3: name doctor Crowe, and his goal was to make a
Speaker 3: hybrid camaras a monkey lie species of man, and he
Speaker 3: was supposedly German, so this can go into the whole
Speaker 3: Uber Mitch thing. I never really heard of the German
Speaker 3: scientists side of it. I've always just heard, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a doctor working on these patients and then
Speaker 3: sant asylum. It wasn't until I was actually listening to
Speaker 3: the twenty one CD podcast where he brought this up.
Speaker 3: He's from the general area as well, so he's heard
Speaker 3: these legends and stuff as well. I got to give shoutouts.
Speaker 3: I'm big about that when I've find something that I
Speaker 3: did not come across initially by myself. I'm so apparently
Speaker 3: there's like they were trying to do, like transmutations and stuff,
Speaker 3: summon these things to make the ultimate soldier. But they
Speaker 3: were trying it with these kids that had these disabilities
Speaker 3: and stuff. I don't know if it's because like their
Speaker 3: cranial space was so much bigger. Maybe that was some
Speaker 3: part of it, but I don't know. We can go
Speaker 3: down the whole cult side of it here in a
Speaker 3: little bit. So as the story goes, this dude tested
Speaker 3: tortured all these kids that had these disabilities. It wasn't
Speaker 3: always just like kids with a hydrocephalic There's chances are
Speaker 3: there's people like autism, down syndrome and stuff like that
Speaker 3: here as they most families would in this back in
Speaker 3: this day, would send that. That's just what families did
Speaker 3: with people like that, send them to the insane asylums.
Speaker 3: So during testing one of these days, one of them
Speaker 3: escaped and set free all the other kids and stuff
Speaker 3: that have been tested on. And rumor has it that
Speaker 3: they will let not rumored. Legend has it that they
Speaker 3: killed this doctor, ate his body, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: and retreated out to the woods around the mansion. And
Speaker 3: to this day they supposedly are still surviving out there, breeding,
Speaker 3: scaring people, people go missing. And this is this is
Speaker 3: one of those legends that if you're from southwest Michigan
Speaker 3: or ether than just western Michigan, you here all the time.
Speaker 3: Even so I grew up in a town maybe thirty
Speaker 3: minutes south of here, so I heard these legends all
Speaker 3: the time as a kid. Don't go outside, you know,
Speaker 3: the melon has they're traveling down this time of year.
Speaker 3: They're gonna get you if you play out in the
Speaker 3: woods too far at night. They're gonna each you and
Speaker 3: take you away, and it's just absolutely insane. Like how
Speaker 3: it's it's not like Bigfoot or aliens, because there's been
Speaker 3: tons of UFO sidings over this place too. As far
Speaker 3: as like people are open to talk about these legends,
Speaker 3: these are used as fear, like a lot of like
Speaker 3: the stories like the wood Booger and stuff down by you, like, hey,
Speaker 3: don't go on the night the wood Booker is gonna
Speaker 3: get you mm hm. So that causes a lot of
Speaker 3: people in the area to believe, Oh, it's just a
Speaker 3: wives tale to keep your children in such. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: much like the wood Booger, there's truth behind it. Nobody
Speaker 3: nobody's just gonna come up with this idea that there's
Speaker 3: these Meloni hell headed children out there roaming the woods, ripping,
Speaker 3: taking people out and stuff like that. That's that's not
Speaker 3: just something somebody's going to come up with. You would say, oh,
Speaker 3: a bear came down from the top up north in
Speaker 3: the state. That's going to scare people kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the origin stories of them, and
Speaker 3: that's that's the one that gets told most of the time.
Speaker 3: Others are just oh, some escaped the school and did
Speaker 3: it all They all reside from coming out of this mansion,
Speaker 3: whether it was a scientist or it's just in a
Speaker 3: same asylum with no scientists trying to create a kamara.
Speaker 3: Whatever they want to call it. There's so many different
Speaker 3: things I called it. Maybe they just got out and escaped,
Speaker 3: or maybe some family just dropped their kid off in
Speaker 3: the woods because they couldn't take care of them, or
Speaker 3: they didn't want to bring shame upon their family back then.
Speaker 3: But regardless of what origin story you believe, there's actually
Speaker 3: some decent amount of sightings that happen in this area,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people know about it, so there's
Speaker 3: got to be at least the legends still live on
Speaker 3: in the area. Yep.
Speaker 2: And that's something I talked about in my book too,
Speaker 2: the Epic of I Saw. I had a chapter in
Speaker 2: there talking about I'm trying to think now. Nick Redford
Speaker 2: in his book I had read and he's from over
Speaker 2: there in England and Europe, and he said that there
Speaker 2: was a mentally insane hospital in this certain town, which
Speaker 2: I have to do all the details in my book.
Speaker 2: It's sister slipping my mind right now, but this was
Speaker 2: a yeah, man, there it is but he followed this
Speaker 2: trail of this and this local family that was like
Speaker 2: part of the like the ruling class, had started this
Speaker 2: insane asylum and they were all the family set on
Speaker 2: the board of directors and called all the shots and everything.
Speaker 2: They owned, it all out right. And it was one
Speaker 2: day this guy was in a bar and bumped into
Speaker 2: a guy that used to work security there, and after
Speaker 2: they got to drinking a little bit, got to talk
Speaker 2: that he started telling stories about during World War two.
Speaker 2: I believe it was that they that area was really
Speaker 2: synonymous for having nazzy planes shot down. And there's all
Speaker 2: kinds of woods around that insane asylum. It set like
Speaker 2: on seven acres, and that one night they seen a
Speaker 2: plane go down and they went out to investigate and
Speaker 2: grab the guy if he survived the crash. And when
Speaker 2: they got out there, him and another guy that owned
Speaker 2: property that was adjacent joined him, and they bumped into
Speaker 2: this Harry wild Man. This man covered in hair him
Speaker 2: head to toe and shot him, but he lived, and
Speaker 2: they took him back to the hospital and doctored him up.
Speaker 2: But this white van pulls up and starts questioning all
Speaker 2: of them, and this goes in and grabs this hairy
Speaker 2: quote unquote man throws him in the back of the
Speaker 2: van until everybody never to speak of the event again
Speaker 2: and then leaves. And that guy got the digging. But
Speaker 2: that guy that told him that story, he was dying
Speaker 2: of cancer and he ended up dying. But this guy
Speaker 2: researched it real thoroughly and got ahold of the records
Speaker 2: there at that hospital and that family that owned it hypertrixosis,
Speaker 2: which is the disease they call the wild man or
Speaker 2: the wolfman syndrome. Many people in their family had that
Speaker 2: disease and were checked into that hospital. So he theorized
Speaker 2: that the family had bought this opened it for their
Speaker 2: own family to hide the shame of the family and
Speaker 2: keep these you know, harry wild men and women under wraps,
Speaker 2: and that at a certain time, it's just like it stopped,
Speaker 2: and they just stopped keeping records of that family. So
Speaker 2: he theorized that that was the caretakers of the family,
Speaker 2: that somebody in that family that they were taking care
Speaker 2: of in their own house now to avoid being found out.
Speaker 2: That the hairy man got out, and then when they
Speaker 2: shot him and brought him to the hospital, the family
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Speaker 2: that story's got it all. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, then that brings me back to detail I probably
Speaker 3: should have done towards the beginning. But so this is
Speaker 3: Southwest Michigan during World War Two, since we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Nazis and Germans being shot down and stuff. So
Speaker 3: there was actually a lot of the POWs that got
Speaker 3: brought over to America were brought to Southwest Michigan because
Speaker 3: it it still is today, but go back even fifty
Speaker 3: sixty years. It's an a, It's part of the fruit belt.
Speaker 3: It's this whole agricultural hot spot. So the town I
Speaker 3: grew up in Colomba, Michigan known for apples, peaches, like cherries, strawberries,
Speaker 3: raspberries all that kind of stuf. So there's farms everywhere. Well,
Speaker 3: when the German POWs were brought over here, they were
Speaker 3: actually treated very very well, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: evidence of this because you know, people lived. A lot
Speaker 3: of them did not go back to Germany, they stayed here,
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of word of mouth, like just
Speaker 3: knowing people. I know a lot of the descendants of
Speaker 3: these people. So instead of being how our troops were
Speaker 3: treated poorly and stuff like that, when they got over here,
Speaker 3: they were given jobs. Hey you get to work out
Speaker 3: on the apple orchard to day, or hey you're going
Speaker 3: to work out in the speech orchard. And then when
Speaker 3: you're done with your shift for the day, oh you
Speaker 3: can here take this money that you made. Are these
Speaker 3: bond little ticket things? Go get you some groceries, or hey,
Speaker 3: do you want to go to the movie theater today?
Speaker 3: Kind of thing. They're treated human. The only ones that
Speaker 3: treated them bad were the other Germans that were like
Speaker 3: all for the cause. So there was a lot of
Speaker 3: like infighting of the die hard like German Nazi nationally
Speaker 3: that oh you can't you can't betray the fear, but
Speaker 3: just the ones that had no choice but to join
Speaker 3: because they lived there and they didn't want to be
Speaker 3: any part of the war. They were able to start
Speaker 3: new lives here. So that's where the whole German scientist
Speaker 3: thing comes in. I don't think it has any ties
Speaker 3: to Operation paper Clip or anything like that, but just
Speaker 3: this area has a very high density of German descent
Speaker 3: due to that fact of so many Germans were here
Speaker 3: and did not want to go back to Germany. They
Speaker 3: liked us so much.
Speaker 2: Here, right yep, especially like the you know, like uh
Speaker 2: von Braun and all those guys. You know, they were
Speaker 2: super smart and heads of their field. So once they
Speaker 2: got captured and stuff, the government didn't want to waste
Speaker 2: their talent, so to speak, and make sure that they
Speaker 2: got the top technologies. And also, whether you believe it
Speaker 2: or or not, you know that we were in a
Speaker 2: space race, right they wanted all their help to try
Speaker 2: to get out there first, and it did work.
Speaker 3: I mean, people don't even realize, like Tom, is that why?
Speaker 3: I don't know why, almost said Thomas Edison. Albert Einstein
Speaker 3: was part of Operation paper Clips. People don't realize that
Speaker 3: he came from Germany to here to work for the Americans.
Speaker 3: So there's all that with that. But as far as
Speaker 3: going back to the melon heads, like if you want,
Speaker 3: I can get into some of the sightings and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Some of the man what could prove it
Speaker 3: possibly being real or could be a whole hoax or both.
Speaker 2: So with the stories, now, were these like high functioning,
Speaker 2: you know, intelligent people, like could they have conversations like
Speaker 2: we are now or was there like some speech impediment
Speaker 2: involved supposedly, or some mental retardation.
Speaker 3: The state there is very much mental retardation in it
Speaker 3: a lot, and for the population is far as sightings
Speaker 3: nowadays go, they're so inbred and stuff as well, just
Speaker 3: on top of the patient Zero's already having medical conditions
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I guarantee there was a couple
Speaker 3: of them that could speak and stuff, but others no. Uh,
Speaker 3: but that's just how the spectrum of the stuff works.
Speaker 3: But as far as the legends and stuff go, for nowadays,
Speaker 3: they've been so inbred now that it's just like fair
Speaker 3: old people and maybe ron yeah, but more impish almost,
Speaker 3: which we can get into that as well. After some
Speaker 3: of these sightings, there's so there's no names or stuff
Speaker 3: to these some some of these are just stories people
Speaker 3: have personally told me. And like this big one, well
Speaker 3: big one, it's more of an idea, like a conglominatory idea.
Speaker 3: Generalization is well, one being from the area, and two
Speaker 3: I mentioned I have so many books on just like
Speaker 3: the local legends and stuff. There's so many. There's every
Speaker 3: town's got that makeout point place that the high schoolers
Speaker 3: go to get a little handsy away from everybody. Well,
Speaker 3: there's there's a place in Holland that's like that. It's
Speaker 3: out in the woods. And so during like the seventies
Speaker 3: and eighties, the high schoolers would be going out to
Speaker 3: do what high schoolers do in a car that's hidden away.
Speaker 3: We'll keep it pg leave it to the imagination. And
Speaker 3: as they go out there, there was a certain spot
Speaker 3: out there where as soon as the man would start
Speaker 3: making the move, they'll start hearing ta on the car,
Speaker 3: shaken to the car lights, like eyes shining out the bushes,
Speaker 3: and like the shadows from the headlights of these large hats,
Speaker 3: and these just weird, ominous, scary noises of chatter. But
Speaker 3: it didn't make sense, like it wasn't our spoken language.
Speaker 3: It was just like how animals communicate with sounds and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. This is a recurring thing for high
Speaker 3: schoolers out in the woods at this time. And there
Speaker 3: was one dude I don't have his name, he came
Speaker 3: out and said, oh no, that was just me. I
Speaker 3: would go out there every weekend and make these noises
Speaker 3: and mess with these teenagers. But all the time for
Speaker 3: this twenty possibly even thirty year span, like you didn't
Speaker 3: have anything else to do with your life. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: doesn't like, all right, maybe you did it a couple
Speaker 3: of times. I'm not going to say you didn't, But
Speaker 3: every time there's quite a few sightings of this stuff happening.
Speaker 3: So if that's what you want to dedicate, if he
Speaker 3: wanted to dedicate his whole life the hoax in this
Speaker 3: and scaring high schoolers, props to him. You just made
Speaker 3: the local legend that's never gone away. But the likelihood
Speaker 3: of that happening to me, it just doesn't make sense
Speaker 3: that he did everything right. And one thing that people
Speaker 3: don't a lot of people don't know about is there's
Speaker 3: a lot of really really, really really rich people in
Speaker 3: this area that have homes, so you can drive out,
Speaker 3: you can get on the main roads to see and
Speaker 3: see like a couple of million dollar homes, some mansions
Speaker 3: and stuff. Then there's these places called the fire Lanes
Speaker 3: and it's just a bunch of woods. It'll have a
Speaker 3: little sign, and then there's like gates and stuff, and
Speaker 3: as you if you get lucky enough to get one
Speaker 3: of the pins or something, or like if you're doing
Speaker 3: work on one of these dude's houses. There's these multi
Speaker 3: million dollar houses all on the bluffal Lake, Michigan and
Speaker 3: out in the woods. So people know about those, but
Speaker 3: you just can't see him because there's that much trees.
Speaker 3: So those are decently known. But then there's billion dollar
Speaker 3: mansions almost that people don't know about that are hidden
Speaker 3: throughout the woods and the only way to get there
Speaker 3: is helicopters or like an ATV or something like that
Speaker 3: hidden out there. And I know this because I know
Speaker 3: some really well known carpenters and contractors from the area
Speaker 3: who have been asked to work on these houses. And
Speaker 3: one of them was telling me one time he was
Speaker 3: talking to the security because there's a tunnel out in
Speaker 3: one of them, and that's how you get to it,
Speaker 3: is you go through this old like drainage looking tunnel thing.
Speaker 3: And he said the security guard sound stands there and
Speaker 3: want's a censor goes off and they see people. What
Speaker 3: he does is he starts blasting feral people noises through
Speaker 3: the tunnels to scare people away to not get too
Speaker 3: close to these houses, so people don't know where these
Speaker 3: houses are out there. So some people say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: then that's I've told a couple of people about it.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, well, then they're that demunks the whole legend.
Speaker 3: These people are out there doing this. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that's present day. Will even be generous to knock you
Speaker 3: back thirty years? What about everything that happened before that?
Speaker 3: You know, are these people just using the legends or
Speaker 3: to scare people away or as we know in this community.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm this is going to
Speaker 3: get us instrouble for talking about, but we know the
Speaker 3: elites like to dabble in all sorts of rituals and witchcraft,
Speaker 3: which brings us to the second type of melon head.
Speaker 3: And this is like me, like me personally just saying
Speaker 3: there's two types. It's not talked about that way around here.
Speaker 3: That maybe they're not children and stuff that had these
Speaker 3: hydrocephalitis or maybe what I'm going to about to talk
Speaker 3: to you, is taking the form of what used to
Speaker 3: be there or just like the mass consciousness of people
Speaker 3: to take form. But what if these billionaires and stuff
Speaker 3: are doing they're rituals and summoning these creatures, these familiars,
Speaker 3: these amps that people talk about seeing and this is
Speaker 3: what people are seeing throughout the woods. This is what's
Speaker 3: attacking people, scaring children, scaring adults, is these creatures. Because
Speaker 3: the melonheads are just one of the many, many, many
Speaker 3: many things that are in this area of Michigan. Had
Speaker 3: the Dewey Lake Monster, huge bigfoot sighting that has that
Speaker 3: was taken that like, people came all over from the
Speaker 3: country to come try to haunt those there's To this day,
Speaker 3: it's still a reward if anybody can bring it in.
Speaker 3: Very of the sasquatch like being. There's the giant UFO
Speaker 3: flight that happened in ninety four where thousands upon thousands
Speaker 3: people called reporting seeing this massive UFO fleet flying from
Speaker 3: Ludington all the way down to Michigan City, Indiana. Basically,
Speaker 3: we got the dog Man, the Manisteine National Forest, all
Speaker 3: the high strangers there, the Lake Michigan Triangle Man. There's
Speaker 3: so much paranormal, unknown supernatural stuff in this area, it
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me if they were feeding off the energy
Speaker 3: of the place to some of these demons, is all
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: It's like it reminded me of like Bohemian or Bohemian Grove.
Speaker 2: You know, how they had this secret mansion and estate
Speaker 2: out in the woods, and they had security to keep
Speaker 2: people away, and you know, once a year or whatever,
Speaker 2: twice a year out and how often they met but
Speaker 2: ever so often called people together and they would do
Speaker 2: these rituals and do all this kind of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's exactly what I thought about when you was
Speaker 2: talking about that, because what's the point of having this
Speaker 2: fancy house and compound in the middle of the woods
Speaker 2: with no roads to it to hide it and then
Speaker 2: have like a tunnel that you got to go through
Speaker 2: to get to the place, and they have armed guards
Speaker 2: and security there to keep people away. You know, what
Speaker 2: are they trying to hide? What's in there that they're
Speaker 2: trying to keep people away from, or what's in there
Speaker 2: that they're trying to protect people from. I mean, it
Speaker 2: could be the other way.
Speaker 3: Well, that could lead into one of the things I
Speaker 3: always talk about when I talk about the Late Michigan
Speaker 3: Triangle just because that place is way A lot of
Speaker 3: people haven't heard about it, but it's worse than the
Speaker 3: Bermunda Triangle as far as like Death's shipwrecks, airplanes going
Speaker 3: down outnumbers the Bermuda Triangle by so much. But I
Speaker 3: got numerous episodes on that on my podcast, so if
Speaker 3: people want to hear that, they can go check that out.
Speaker 3: But one of the things I always bring up is
Speaker 3: the area is just dark. Man, it's really really dark.
Speaker 3: We al Capone used to mob in southwest Michigan. He
Speaker 3: would come from Chicago. Sorry, I got it, scratching my throat.
Speaker 3: He had bootlegs, stands next to not too far away
Speaker 3: from when I grew up. I have family members that
Speaker 3: knew him, old scarface man. And there's all kinds of
Speaker 3: human trafficking that comes from Chicago, goes all the way
Speaker 3: up the coast of Michigan all through that basin over Indiana.
Speaker 3: So there's a trail like you're hitting Chicago, you're hitting Gary, Indiana.
Speaker 3: We all know how bad Gary is. Even if you're
Speaker 3: not from this area. Everybody knows how awful Gary is.
Speaker 3: You're hitting Michigan City, Beton Harbor, Man Benon Harbor is
Speaker 3: a cesspool. Now awful place, But it used to be
Speaker 3: people would come from all over the world to go there.
Speaker 3: They would have festivals. It's very honestly, it's very tartarian, like,
Speaker 3: if you ever make your way up here, I'll take
Speaker 3: you through it. But now it's just like a giant
Speaker 3: hood's super dangerous place to lift. But there's murder, there's
Speaker 3: human trafficking, everything that's going through here. And it's like, huh,
Speaker 3: why is this area such a big hot spot, and
Speaker 3: why is it all moving up in the mission? Why
Speaker 3: is it coming from Chicago? Why can't it go to Chicago?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Why is it thought about the connection with the like
Speaker 2: the Ohio River valley and the Nephelum giants and all
Speaker 2: the mounds and stuff. Yeah, as if that's some kind
Speaker 2: of connection to the darkness and the spirituality and ritualistic
Speaker 2: type stuff there. Because I'm a firm believer, I think
Speaker 2: that these Nephelim giants, these Venetians, these ships, when the
Speaker 2: water levels were higher, come right in to the Lake
Speaker 2: Michigan area and that's where kind of where they spread
Speaker 2: out from. That's where you have those copper mines, and
Speaker 2: they followed that river valley down into Ohio and Kentucky
Speaker 2: and eastern Tennessee. And that's why you have this string
Speaker 2: of mounds and complexes and stone hinges and stuff like
Speaker 2: that associated with these places.
Speaker 3: Well, let me hit you with this theory that I've
Speaker 3: been working on man over the last year, just from
Speaker 3: talking to people. I think before Lake Michigan was Lake Michigan,
Speaker 3: it was a mass ritual site, like giants doing all
Speaker 3: their stuff, earlier people doing We see the Lake Michigan
Speaker 3: Stone henge. Okay, I don't know how familiar you are
Speaker 3: with that or if you've seen pictures of it. A
Speaker 3: lot of people say, oh, that's just a mammoth kill circle. Cool.
Speaker 3: It could have been, but it could also be a
Speaker 3: ritual site. They have petroglyss of mastadons. Man, that's all
Speaker 3: that underneath the water, and it's not too far away
Speaker 3: from where us as men put the perimeter of the
Speaker 3: Lake Michigan Triangle. I'm a believer all these little Communia Triangle,
Speaker 3: Bridgewater Triangle, Lake Michigan Triangle, all this stuff. Where we
Speaker 3: put our perimeters, that's not where the stuff's contained. I
Speaker 3: think it just stands out farther. But with all the
Speaker 3: mount like you said, in the Ohio River Valley, all
Speaker 3: these mounds, all the nephilim, I'm hearing stuff. There's some
Speaker 3: in Indiana, Illinois, now Wisconsin. I'm hearing stuff come out
Speaker 3: of all these mounds. And like you said, it leads
Speaker 3: into Lake Michigan. All this stuff leads into Lake Michigan. Why,
Speaker 3: out of anybody of water in the entire world, why
Speaker 3: do more ships go down? Why do more people just
Speaker 3: mysteriously disappear out of nowhere? Why are people seeing these
Speaker 3: UFO crafts shooting out of the water all the time?
Speaker 3: Why are they getting weird pings on radar? Why is
Speaker 3: there these ancient sites and stuff down there and nowhere
Speaker 3: else like it happened to at such a frequency of
Speaker 3: nowhere else? Because I mean, Lake Michigan's big, but there's
Speaker 3: a lot of other places in the world that this
Speaker 3: could be happened. Why is it focusing on this one spot?
Speaker 3: And why is some meteorologists, some some scientists is gonna
Speaker 3: come out here and say, oh, well this why is
Speaker 3: if you ask any meteorologists, what the hardest place on
Speaker 3: the world in the world to predict the weather is
Speaker 3: they're gonna say Southwest Michigan because the lake, once you
Speaker 3: get halfway through the lake, it can just switch the
Speaker 3: weather like that, like crazy. Oh well, it's a weather patterns.
Speaker 3: It's when the lake's so big it affects us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree to an extent. Put dude, there's just living
Speaker 3: here my whole entire life. There's some really really unexplainable
Speaker 3: stuff that comes with it. And diving into all this
Speaker 3: and hearing all these different things. Man, something doesn't want
Speaker 3: us finding what's in those in the lake because once
Speaker 3: something goes down, you can't find it. It's not like
Speaker 3: Lake Superior, where everything's it's so cold, everything stays at
Speaker 3: the bottom and you can send scuba divers and stuff.
Speaker 3: Lake Michigan is so, so, so dangerous. And that could
Speaker 3: just be me with my little tinfoil hat on or
Speaker 3: something just trying to make something. But as somebody who's
Speaker 3: been experiencing this, in this stuff my whole entire life
Speaker 3: and looking into it, I can't. I can't deny. It's
Speaker 3: slapping me in the face in front of me. Something
Speaker 3: is here that they don't want to talk about, and
Speaker 3: they don't want us to fine, I don't think that
Speaker 3: one stonehenge that they found is the only thing out there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think there's a lot more under the
Speaker 3: water that they won't tell us. They could just get
Speaker 3: away with that because people can say, oh, due to
Speaker 3: these petroglyphs and these cave paintings that we found that
Speaker 3: there is a it was just a man with kill circle.
Speaker 3: We can take it as that, and the conspiracy theorist
Speaker 3: ain't going to be getting into it, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, so I know you said you didn't want to
Speaker 2: get into it too deep because you talk about it
Speaker 2: a lot, but I'm not familiar with with that triangle.
Speaker 2: Could you give me just like maybe maybe one or
Speaker 2: two stories that stand out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me half a second to get this pulled up.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I've heard you kind of just genuinely speak about it,
Speaker 2: but I've not heard any of the details.
Speaker 3: So I'm a I'm gonna hit you with one of
Speaker 3: the wildest ones that I'll hit you with the story
Speaker 3: of Captain Donair. And then let's see, I kind of
Speaker 3: already talked about the UFO flight a little bit. That's
Speaker 3: something that somebody can just look into. Then I'll talk
Speaker 3: about Northwest twenty five oh one, because that one people
Speaker 3: might be a little familiar with because it was on
Speaker 3: Josh Gates Expedition Unknown for an episode, so people that
Speaker 3: earned that might know about that. So Captain Donair, this
Speaker 3: is the prime example of just the weirdness in the
Speaker 3: Lake Michigan triangle. So in April twenty eighth, nineteen thirty seven,
Speaker 3: Great Lakes Freighter the OS McFarland was making its way
Speaker 3: across Lake Michigan to its final destination in Port Washington, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: So it was coming from Erie, Pennsylvania. You know, the
Speaker 3: travel transport ninety eight ninety eight one hundred tons of coal.
Speaker 3: So don't he's a really well respected captain. He's made
Speaker 3: this trip plenty of times. They're making their way through
Speaker 3: the Straits of Mackinac and it's pretty if you've never
Speaker 3: been up to the Upper Peninsula across the Macanaw Bridge
Speaker 3: in the winter time, yeah, I know, it's in April.
Speaker 3: That's still the winner in the up. It ain't spring
Speaker 3: till June. But there's giant chunks of ice. Man, there's
Speaker 3: ice break. They had to send ice breakers and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's it's pretty big. It's five miles stretched a little
Speaker 3: pass and it's dangerous. Man, it gets nasty in there.
Speaker 3: Giant wind tunnel two. Well, do'n air stayed up to
Speaker 3: get his crew through there because that's the most stressful
Speaker 3: part of the whole entire trip. So when he gets
Speaker 3: done with that, they're like, oh, we should make our
Speaker 3: port in a few hours. I'm gonna go take a nap.
Speaker 3: So he went to the captain's quarters began to take
Speaker 3: a nap. He told his first and second mates, Hey,
Speaker 3: let's wake me up when we get about forty five
Speaker 3: minutes to an hour out, so I have time to
Speaker 3: wake up and be ready to do all the paperwork
Speaker 3: and all that good stuff. So don't Air retreats to
Speaker 3: his quarters. Time goes by. Everything that's going smooth well.
Speaker 3: First and second mate go beat on his door. Boom
Speaker 3: boom boom boom boom. No response. Boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 3: Captain you in there, boom boom boom, no response. So
Speaker 3: they go retrieve the secondary key. Man, I'm so sorry, man.
Speaker 2: Oh you're good, but you drink gets your drink?
Speaker 3: Yeah sorry, but uh so they get the quartermaster key,
Speaker 3: pop it open. Nobody's in there, So they start going
Speaker 3: around there. They're asking the crew, Hey, have you guys
Speaker 3: seen captain? No, no, no, nobody's seen him. So then
Speaker 3: they're like, maybe there was like a mutiny. You sure
Speaker 3: he didn't see anybody? No, nobody's seen him all. The
Speaker 3: only way that he could have gotten out of there
Speaker 3: is a tiny little porthole. From what everything I've read
Speaker 3: on it, dude like it was a small porthole that
Speaker 3: nobody's really gonna fit through unless you're like a real
Speaker 3: tiny dude, and don't wasn't small enough to fit through
Speaker 3: that porthole. So the whole crew starts to panic a
Speaker 3: little bit. They start searching the head to toe everywhere
Speaker 3: where could he be. They can't find him. Well, there's
Speaker 3: been reports of strange lights and stuff along this path,
Speaker 3: all this kind of weird stuff, magnetic stuff going on,
Speaker 3: and they just can't find him, and they never do.
Speaker 3: They never find Captain doing air. He just disappeared and
Speaker 3: thin air out.
Speaker 2: Of nowhere with the door locked, door locked.
Speaker 3: No way to get out, and there was people working
Speaker 3: close enough to the door that they would have seen
Speaker 3: him coming out. Nope, he never came out. The dude
Speaker 3: just disappeared. Which yeah, it's it's unexplainable. You know, it'd
Speaker 3: be different if it was like just like a regular
Speaker 3: worker or something like that. Oh, maybe he fell overboard
Speaker 3: or you know, maybe there was something going on, but
Speaker 3: the captain just escaping and jumping off for no reason.
Speaker 2: Which I know where they were going, they didn't need roads.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, but.
Speaker 2: Bringing disappeared, dude. You know, yeah, did that boat get
Speaker 2: up to eighty eight miles an hour?
Speaker 3: Uh? You know, I'm not quite sure. Maybe he did.
Speaker 3: Oh but you know, they sent out ships and all
Speaker 3: that looking for it. They waited for bodies to wash
Speaker 3: upon the shore. No they never did.
Speaker 2: Uh, So they made they end up making their delivery
Speaker 2: like they needed to, just without their captain.
Speaker 3: He just disappeared, yep. And then they all got like
Speaker 3: had to go into a private investigation kind of deal,
Speaker 3: like for a because they thought the people on land
Speaker 3: thought they murdered him, and they would have plenty of
Speaker 3: time for clean up and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But just with all the other weird stuff that happens here,
Speaker 3: it's in elite Michigan, Trump, it just makes sense that
Speaker 3: he could have just disappeared, and that's not a very
Speaker 3: common thing that you could say that it just makes
Speaker 3: sense for a dude to disappear into thin air compared
Speaker 3: to over his crew killing him and throwing him overboard.
Speaker 3: And that's where Northwest twenty five oh one comes in.
Speaker 3: So this was in nineteen fifty. It was Northwest Orient
Speaker 3: Flight twenty five oh one. It was a Douglas DC four.
Speaker 3: It was going from New York to Seattle, but they
Speaker 3: were going to do a layover in Minneapolis. So they
Speaker 3: contact the air traffic control in Chicago. At the last
Speaker 3: they heard from it was at eleven thirteen. It was
Speaker 3: supposed to hit Milwaukee at eleven thirty. They don't hear anything.
Speaker 3: There was a storm going on, as there always is
Speaker 3: over Lake, Michigan, and after half an hour of no
Speaker 3: response when they were supposed to be, they start throwing
Speaker 3: out emergency signals for a missing craft. They're not picking
Speaker 3: up anything on the radars, nothing like that. By the
Speaker 3: next morning they realized this plane had never landed anywhere.
Speaker 3: They're thinking maybe it went off to like another airport
Speaker 3: or something like that and did an emergency landing or something,
Speaker 3: but no, they never were so they sent out a
Speaker 3: ton of cruis. There was a couple oil slicks off
Speaker 3: the shore of South Milwaukee, but divers didn't find anything.
Speaker 3: After two days of a missing the search area went
Speaker 3: from sixty mile radius to one hundred and seventy miles,
Speaker 3: so they were searching an area bigger than the state
Speaker 3: of Vermont for this thing. So they began to start thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: they were searching on the wrong side of the lake,
Speaker 3: and that it was down near South Haven, Michigan, which
Speaker 3: is twenty minutes away from where these molon heads are supposedly,
Speaker 3: and that the grims the remains of the crash and
Speaker 3: it's fifty eight victims washed ashore, but no big pieces
Speaker 3: of the plane or any complete bodies were ever found,
Speaker 3: dude like whatsoever. So they just made a mass grave
Speaker 3: and just assumed that these were the people that went
Speaker 3: down in that plane crash. Well, what I don't have
Speaker 3: in my notes here is that a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: like six seven years ago, there was in South Haven
Speaker 3: more mysterious plane parts and body parts just washed up
Speaker 3: on the beach, and they don't know where it was from.
Speaker 3: Some theoriz it was from this plane crash, But the
Speaker 3: plane crash happened sixty seven years ago. If this was
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I think it was. It was twenty seventeen
Speaker 3: to twenty nineteen area. I just remember being all over
Speaker 3: the news. So if they're saying this from this, ain't
Speaker 3: nobody gonna survive that long. If it was Lake Superior, okay,
Speaker 3: but then it would be at the bottom of the lake.
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna float up because it's so cold. So
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, did they go through like a time portal
Speaker 3: or something like that. Possibly did this plane transcendent, because
Speaker 3: like the black boxes were just becoming a thing at
Speaker 3: that time, so the plane may have had one, may
Speaker 3: not have.
Speaker 2: But the fact you said all the alien spottings and
Speaker 2: them coming out of the water. Then you have that
Speaker 2: new footage now that's out of that Malaysia flight where
Speaker 2: those orbs come out and was circling the plane and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a possibility. And even even that made
Speaker 2: that TV series. I watched the first season of it.
Speaker 2: It was good. Shoot, I can't remember the name of
Speaker 2: it now, but it was a big hit. But it
Speaker 2: was kind of based off of that flight that disappeared
Speaker 2: because in the show, these group of people were flying
Speaker 2: and they flew through a storm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: It was this electoral magnetic storm, and it sucked them
Speaker 2: into like a time lapse wormhole, and no one could
Speaker 2: find them. They searched for like ten or fifteen years
Speaker 2: and couldn't find them. Then all of a sudden, ten
Speaker 2: fifteen years later, that plane lands in the runway of
Speaker 2: the airport that it was supposed to go to. The
Speaker 2: people get out and they think nothing's happened. They just
Speaker 2: landed from their plane flight. But now a lot of
Speaker 2: their family members are dead or remarried, and they're like,
Speaker 2: what the hell? Yeah, have you been gone for fifteen years?
Speaker 3: Bro? What? My wife just started watching that show. I
Speaker 3: can't remember it's not I know it's on Netflix. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, man, yeah that's what it is. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: I told her, oh, this is just a rip off
Speaker 3: a lost and yeah, man, it's It's a weird area
Speaker 3: for sure. I Mean, I've seen my fair share of
Speaker 3: UFOs over the lake growing up, because where I lived,
Speaker 3: I can look out over the lake and weird lights
Speaker 3: all the time that were not planes. There's so much
Speaker 3: plane traffic in that area. I knew what a plane
Speaker 3: looked like, and I knew what wasn't a plane. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: it's the area is just wild, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: more stories that people can look into it. Those are
Speaker 3: just like two of my favorite ones because they just
Speaker 3: don't make any sense at all. And there's a lot
Speaker 3: of a cult stuff going on too, Like we talked
Speaker 3: about it could have been a mass rituals sign all
Speaker 3: the stuff in Chicago, Gary, and there's a big cult
Speaker 3: in there that I'm not going to get into right now,
Speaker 3: but I'd love to once I do it. I'm just
Speaker 3: waiting to do it right. I haven't got the release
Speaker 3: to do it how I want to do it yet,
Speaker 3: but whenever I do, it'll be the first place I
Speaker 3: go to let you know about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, deal, Deal, You.
Speaker 3: Got any other questions? Man? About man?
Speaker 2: I got bunches more because I do want to pick
Speaker 2: your brain on a lot of stuff, but I guess we'll
Speaker 2: have to save those for another time. We're winding to
Speaker 2: the end of our time. I'm surprised my camera hasn't
Speaker 2: turned off already in sattery info, guys, I left my
Speaker 2: camera on for over twenty four hours and it's still going. Baby,
Speaker 2: you can't be the sony, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: push it too far. My new camera up. Oh man,
Speaker 2: but Riley before we go, brother, they want to have
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Speaker 2: the middle of the episode or wasn't paying attention in
Speaker 2: the front, let everybody know a little bit about your
Speaker 2: show where they can find it and all your content.
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Speaker 3: time on the show. I would say, if you are
Speaker 3: gonna pick up the show. You know, started like episodes
Speaker 3: like thirty five, thirty six, and work your way up
Speaker 3: At that point, I think I started to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Everything before that, there's some good ones. I mean, everyone's good.
Speaker 3: I love talking to everybody that I've had on But
Speaker 3: as a podcaster I think I kind of started to
Speaker 3: figure it out around the mid thirties.
Speaker 2: I will object, don't listen to him, guys, go to
Speaker 2: episode one and enjoy the journey. See the progress, all right,
Speaker 2: listen to doc you know better than I. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: painful for us to hear because we know where we're
Speaker 2: at now. But yeah, you know, don't do what we
Speaker 2: do stuff that we hear and noticing things awful. They
Speaker 2: probably would never even notice. We're just really hard on ourselves.
Speaker 2: But when you go back, man, that's why I put
Speaker 2: the dig stuff on my RSSV too. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what the hell I was doing. The quality's awful, sound awful,
Speaker 2: the editing sucks. But hey, man, when they go listen
Speaker 2: to a new episode, they're like, man, if they've come
Speaker 2: a long way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess there is some you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of now that I think about it, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of comic gold at in the early episodes, Episode five,
Speaker 3: Tales of the Corn, I guarantee y'all will be laughing
Speaker 3: like crazy. Had some real funny dudes on that one.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, and then you know, if you guys
Speaker 3: want to hear Doc talk to me, I got an
Speaker 3: episode with him too, so you should. We had a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. We talked a lot of God on
Speaker 3: that episode.
Speaker 2: Man, h the Holy Spirit episode there, Yeah.
Speaker 3: For sure, that's one of my favorites by far. Thank
Speaker 3: you brother, Thank you brother for having me. And this
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be. This ain't gonna be the last time,
Speaker 3: I know for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh no, definitely, because you have a lot of pieces
Speaker 2: that I don't have, and I'm greedy. I want them
Speaker 2: my all.
Speaker 3: Baby. Hey, that goes both ways, brother, both ways.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, bel vida baby joke. Well, guys, I hope
Speaker 2: you enjoyed that. B Sure, check out Riley stuff. Man.
Speaker 2: Like I said, he's got all kinds of cool stuff
Speaker 2: from different angles and cryptids and urban legends and lore. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's got it all experiences and uh you get it
Speaker 2: from a total different perspective than you will anybody else
Speaker 2: in Riley's just a good dude. Okay. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: could see that by looking at it. He's an authentic dude, Okay,
Speaker 2: He's like he's one of us. He's a goony, so
Speaker 2: go support a fellow gooney.
Speaker 3: Die.
Speaker 2: That's right. Well, guys, hope you enjoy that. Be sure
Speaker 2: check out his stuff and just remember the difference between
Speaker 2: the know on and the unknown is the journey. So
Speaker 2: good journey, guys.