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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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by non natural forces or by science, and Ireland is

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steep and lower, ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger, desperation

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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era,

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Mark Manning Well, strap me to a pig and roll

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me in the mud? Can you believe we are four

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Scary Era shows in since we launched on the highly

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appropriate date of Halloween, And indeed, my thanks to Mark

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Johnson of Paranormal UK Radio for allowing it all happen now.

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It may be a sunny December day in Dublin, but

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we'll soon get dark and cozy. Incidentally, if this is

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your first time listening, remember the first three shows featured

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everything from Ireland's ancient East to the paranormal anomalies of

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an Irish military barracks, to dead air of sorts and

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a top Dublin radio station and Scottish and Irish castles

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at stately homes were all discussed too, so do check

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those shows out. Simply google Scary Era. That's EI or

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E Paranormal podcast. Now I need your contributions and it

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helps if they are Irish related, but don't let that

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exclude you. If you've a supernatural xpialidocian story to share,

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just simply email it to Paranormal Ireland and at ProtonMail

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it the morning in the bottom of the evening. Two

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super interesting guests today. Shortly he's not only a teacher

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but author two and he's standing by to reveal all

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about his new haunting publication. And if you stick around,

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our second guest doesn't just bear the name of a

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global and historic cocktail brand, but in his own right,

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he has many creative talents, one of which is a filmmaker.

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He'll be relating scary goings on on the Belgian Dutch

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border in the nineties and revealing how he conducted a

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clever experiment on three separate mediums in an attempt to

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get to the truth with surprising results. Our first guest

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is raring to go, but first let it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of things over the years. But

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I've learned, well I don't. I suppose it's not learned.

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I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's

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kind of it's maybe it's another sense or something. But

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often when you go into places, you'll get a feeling

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for the place, and you'll get a feeling of whether

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or not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that. Who

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knows what causes that. But we have an intuition. We

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have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it is

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or where it comes from, or the physics of it

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or the chemistry of it.

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Speaker 1: But it's there.

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Speaker 2: And anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.

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If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around.

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Speaker 3: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

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aka the Squire, And don't hang around either. If you've

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got an Irish paranormal tale to tell. Simply email Paranormal

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Ireland at proton mail dot com and it'll be read

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out for you. Poor you get to teletone yourself. That's

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Paranormal Ireland at proton male dot com.

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Speaker 1: Well, I never thought i'd see the day when Manning

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would meet Fanning on the other end of the line.

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I've got author extraordinary, particularly in the children's realm, Kiron Fanning.

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How are you doing, Kiron?

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Speaker 4: Not too bad, Mark, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a pleasure because we have a little bit

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of selling to do here, because I've seen your latest publication.

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What's it called.

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Speaker 4: It's called Haunted Ireland and Atlas of ghost stories from

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every county age group.

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Speaker 1: Who are we talking? Who's this aimed at?

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Speaker 4: It's kind of aimed a kind of yeah, children, but

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it's kind of a family book, like a lot of

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adults are reading it, so it's kind of for twe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been there when you're reading a little story

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to the child and she starts to go or he

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starts to go to sleep, and this isn't so bad. Yeah,

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and your own background. Where do you hail from?

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Speaker 4: Originally here, I'm from Wicklow, originally west Wicklow, a small

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little place called Stratford on Slane Eat near bolting Glass,

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west Wicklow, and I'm living in County Mead.

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Speaker 1: Now at the moment, were you of the land or

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on a farm or what? Yeah?

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traditional Irish Catholic upbringing. But I wasn't much good on

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the farm. I was, in fact, I was kind of

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useless on the farm. So I was much more interested

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in the world of the imagination and drawing and playing

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games and writing stories and anything but farming. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: You must have done an awful lot of research.

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of internet internet based research books and then traveling around

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Speaker 6: But yeah, did a lot of research.

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Speaker 4: The trick was to find the good story from each county.

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in the West, like Cork for example.

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Speaker 4: So the Western counties had fantastic stories, and you know,

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perhaps they survived longer over there, you know, because it

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was less industrialized and less colonized. Shell we say, the

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tradition of the shanicky, that traveling storyteller lasted longer in

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the West. And I suppose rural electrification came later to

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the West as well, And a lot of people say

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that electricity was kind of the death knell of the

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traditional storytelling. So for lots of reasons, the West was

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full of these brilliant stories, juggled a little bit more

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in the East and the Midlands. But yeah, it took

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a lot of research because I needed to have not

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only thirty two stories, but a variety of stories. Like

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a lot of these stories they have similar counterparts in

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each county. So for example, my Loftus Hall story from

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Wexford is the traditional story of the dark stranger turning

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up to the door and it turns out to be

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the devil and his cloven hoofs then are spotted beneath

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his trousers. Yeah it is, yeah, and it actually pops up.

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Speaker 6: In every county.

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Speaker 4: So nobody wants to read thirty two of those stories,

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so it needed to be there. Needs to be a

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variety of stories, so I wanted to include things like

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the banshee, you know, different types of ghosts and monsters

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as well. Like there's a monster down in a Lee

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Trom called the dove Ar Coup, which also populates lots

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of lakes in Ireland. But it's a monster that was

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but huge and in Lee Tram in len A Lake.

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girl and her gravestone can still be seen with this

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little ancient inscription of a monster on it in a

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nearby graveyard. So I wanted to include a variety of stories.

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witch and the first convicted, which woman convicted of witchcraft?

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the Mead, was arrested in our place and she was

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born at the stake, and she was the first woman

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to be burned for witchcraft in Ireland. And like what

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followed that was the killing of nearly ten thousand women

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across the world for crimes of witchcraft. So terrific stuff,

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you know. So yeah, I wanted to include lots of

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different types of stories, like banshees. I have a banshee,

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a famous banshee from Dunlouce Castle.

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Speaker 6: You probably have heard of castle.

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by the Game of Thrones. Yeah, and I have then

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Marjorie McCall from Arma. She was famously lived once but

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was buried twice and her ghost haunts the graveyard there

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in Belfast. So yeah, I wanted to include a variety

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of stories, so you had a lot of research went

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into it, but we got there in the end.

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Speaker 1: Probably tried to track down a lot of old books

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did, And the library service in Ireland is

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fantastic because some of the books I got were incredible.

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really old and when I kind of googled some of them,

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some of them were.

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Speaker 6: Valuable and rare and cost a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: Like I got a book from Westmead and it was

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worth a couple of thousands, like, and they just sent

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it to me in a brown.

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Speaker 6: Envelope, you know.

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Speaker 4: So it's an incredible service, and a lot of these

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stories that are preserved by the libraries and also the Internet.

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have made it their business, including Google Books that are

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kind of scanning all these ancient texts and putting them

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Speaker 1: In your own case. Do you have a little beta

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testers there in your pupils? Do you do you read Storto? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I absolutely do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I tested loads of these stories and the

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kids because my publishers, for one in particular wanted me

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to take it out was the Dublin story. It's called

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the Dollocker, and it was a story I found in

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an Irish the journal, a really old one about a

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kind of a phantom pig that roamed around the inner

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city Dublin, the Liberties, and it had the head of

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a pig in the body of a man, and people

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at night, women especially, But that story and the publisher's

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thought was a little bit too kind of close to

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the bone and too scary for kids. So I brought

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it into school and tested on the kids, and they

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absolutely loved the story managed to keep it into the book.

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Speaker 6: That maybe we are.

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Speaker 4: They just they lapped it up and it was one

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of their favorite ones that they read. So yeah, I

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and some of the stories that were my own favorite

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and weren't theirs. They had their own ones. So often,

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you know, the real test.

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Speaker 6: Of the story is when you read it to an audience.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so yeah, kids, kids are very upfront about it,

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but they love you. There's something it's kind of rare

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things stories now, Like we all have iPads and Netflix

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and kind of romantic and kind of communal about gathering

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around and just listening to simple word and letting the

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words create pictures in your mind. You know, you make

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your own special effects. You make it as scary as

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you want in your head. You know something kind of

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something kind of cool about that.

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Speaker 1: You know what's cool is it's involving your imagination, you know,

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and that's what all kid's always had, the imaginary friend.

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Theater of the mind in acts.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely yes, Stephen King calls it the last form of

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portable magic is a book.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a good phrase, although I like yours

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as well, the theater of the mind.

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Speaker 6: I think that's good too.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at two phenomenon the banshee. Have you got

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a county and a banshee? And the gist of the

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story ban is.

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Speaker 4: Woman and she is fairy, so it means a fairy woman.

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Speaker 6: A banshee in them.

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Speaker 4: But if a banshee, if you heard the cry of

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a banshee, it meant somebody in your family was going

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to die or somebody had died. So and there's banshee.

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Speaker 6: Stories all over Ireland.

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Speaker 4: Now with technology and as things moved on, a lot

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of people say that those cries were the cry of

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a fox. I don't know, Mark, if you've ever heard

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a fox cry, have you?

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Speaker 1: I am like snow White in here Kiran, right, I'm

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in Butterstown in Dublin, and yet I'm only remarking on

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this recently. I've squirrels coming over the little studio I

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have here. I fox this out the front. So to

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answer your question, yes, I do so.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people believe that that was what people

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thought with the banshee. But anyway, the banshee and my

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story is the one from Dunlouce Castle. She was the

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lord of the castle in the thirteenth century with a

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man called McQuillan, and his wife died and he brought

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up his daughter May alone. She didn't turn out exactly

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the way he wanted her. He wanted her to be

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kind of a royal lady and to act like a lady.

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But she preferred to dress in servants clothes and help

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around the castle. And she preferred to get down dirty

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and help the servant. She wasn't into the kind of

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the push to.

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Speaker 6: Stop all lady mo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So she met this guy and he was very

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fond of her because she was she had a beautiful smile,

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and she was very caring to the poor, and she

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often gave them money, and she he was really impressed

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by her and they started seeing each other and they

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kind of fell in love. But of course her father

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wasn't happy with this because he would look out his

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window and he'd see his daughter dressed in rags working

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with this other ragged fella, and he didn't want the

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future for her.

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Speaker 6: He had her lined up to marry one of the

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local neighboring lords.

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Speaker 4: So he kind of confronted her and she said, no,

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I love this man and you can't stop me. And

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he said, I can't stop you. And he brought her

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to the highest tower in the castle and he locked

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the door to keep her to teach her a lesson,

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but she was stubborn like her mother, and she wouldn't

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leave the room and she said, I'm going to die

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in this room. Not changed my mind, and he said fine.

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They both were stubborn, so he left her locked in

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the room. Of course, he fed her, He employed and

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to feed her, and she, as was her way, got

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very friendly with the servant, and she convinced the servant

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to bring her some wool and knitting needles so that

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she could while away the time knitting. And every time

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the father came up to ask her had she changed

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her mind, she said no, she hadn't, and when he

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would spy her knitting, he would get a little bit

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of hope and think that she was going to knit

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a bridle shawl for herself, but she said it was

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her dead shaw and that he would if she didn't,

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If he didn't change his mind, she would see him

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dressed in it as a corpse, not as a bride.

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So things were kind of get bad. She was kind

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of losing a lot of weight. He was refused to

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give in. She refused to give in, and he was

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a proud man, and he didn't want to be seen

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in those days, you know, to give in to your daughter.

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So he came up with a kind of a plan.

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He decided to get friendly with the servant that was

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bringing food to mave, and he arranged for the servant

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that she would escape, And so the servant let her out,

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and the fact the dad knew all about this and

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may have escaped, and she met her beloved boyfriend in

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a cave underneath the castle called Mermaid's Cave. So McQuillan,

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her father was looking out through the window at her,

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his beloved daughter. He loved escaping down to this cave

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in a boat to meet her true love. He kind

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of felt happy, you know.

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Speaker 6: He thought that she would come back and all would

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be forgiven.

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Speaker 4: But as he was watching her boat go into the cave,

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a terrible storm arose. The boat came out with Mave

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and her beloved inside it, and the storm grew wilder,

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and the boat start bobbing up, and the McQuillan, the lord,

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was getting kind of more anxious and worried. The boat

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went under the water. He shrieked in terror and sent

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all of his servants down to search the waves for

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his poor daughter. And she never turned up. And he

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spent weeks and weeks and weeks searching the showline and

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never found her until one day he was on the

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beach and he looked back up at his own castle,

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to the tower where he had locked up Mayve, and

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he saw a light in the window, and in the

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window he saw Mayve dressed in her shroud that she

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had been knitting, and she was crying, And of course

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he ran up to the room. And when you got

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up there there was nothing but the show. And that

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was the beginning of the banshee. May was dead, of course,

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but she became a banshee, and for years, for hundreds

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of years afterwards, her cry would echo out in the

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castle if somebody was going to die, And indeed sometimes

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she even saved a couple of people who was a

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fame story where she saved somebody from a storm by

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pulling them out of the way before part of the

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castle disappeared. But that was Yeah, So that's the banshee

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of Dunloose Castle. And people say at nighttime you can

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still hear her forlorn cry coming from the ruins of

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the castle.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I think that place is close enough to the

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Giant's Causeway.

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Speaker 6: It is, Yes, on that causeway coast there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can we go somewhere now, finally for a poltergeist story.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we have a fit.

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Speaker 4: Probably the most famous Polto guist was the coonean post

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Polto guys in Fromana. So that was about nineteen thirteen.

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I think I'll just check now. Relatively yeah, relatively contemporary.

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And the house is still there and you can go

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and visit the house, and there have been two attempts

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in the last twenty or thirty years to restore the

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house and open it as.

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Speaker 6: A tourist attraction.

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Speaker 4: It's quite a lot of interest in it and a

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lot of people visited on both attempts, the planning fell

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apart and it never it never came to pass. Perhaps

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the poltergeist is still driving people out of the house.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a house, I think I

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know this one. Is it kind of a more of

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a ramshackle little there than a house.

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Speaker 4: Like a little cottage yet, yeah, yes, a little cottage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the story goes that a Murphy family widow and

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her children moved into the house and always going fine

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until one night the widow had I think it was

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four or five girls and an older son, and they

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heard kind of noises in the bedroom, and they heard

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noises in the loft, and the loft was where they

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stored potato, so she sent the sun up, and of

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course there was nobody up there, so they went back down.

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They were kind of all awake at this stage, and

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next minute noises came.

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Speaker 6: Through the through the walls.

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Speaker 4: And it sounded like kind of the rustling of straw

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and a wind blowing, and it kind of got louder

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and louder, and the poor family were up.

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Speaker 6: All night and exhausted.

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Speaker 4: So the next day they went down to the local

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parish priest as you do one hundred years ago, and

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they got the priest around, and the priest decided he

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would stay in the house and see, and of course

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that night he heard the same noises. And he stayed

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in the house for a week, and the noises appeared

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every night, and the only thing that would silence them

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was when he said mass or when he sprinkled the

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holy water. And there were a few occasions when the

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noises manifested themselves in kind of more violent ways, where

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the plates would fly off the dresser. And there's one

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occasion where they went into an empty bedroom because they

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were all in the living room sitting around the fire,

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and a shape materialized under the sheets of the bed.

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The shape was kind of like it was kind of slittering,

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like an eel, and when he spoke to it, it

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disappeared the world. And then when he would the priests

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would ask the polter guys to answer him, you know,

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so he would say, you would ask the question, and

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it would say knock once if it's yes, or twice

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for no. And he would ask the questions like, you know,

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he would give it a kind of multiple choice questions,

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Say what county am I from? Do you think it's

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a cavin one knock.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And every time the poltar guys would knock incorrect correctly,

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you know. So word got out in small community and

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everybody start talking about this house. Some people were suspicious.

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Some people thought that it was the kids playing tricks

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on the priest, you know. So the neighbors in particular

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and the kids the family started to be showned. Other

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kids in the local school weren't talking to these kids

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because they thought they were in league with the devil.

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And but a lot of the neighboring the neighbors were

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suspicious that the kids were playing tricks on the priests.

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So they decided to do a little experiment, and a

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couple of the big, strong, farming neighbors came in and

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they each sat in the house and each held one

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the children to make sure that they weren't making secret noises.

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And as the night went on, the noise appeared, that

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whistling noise, and the lights dimmed, and the fire went down,

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and one of the farmers got hit in the head,

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even though another farmer felt knocking under his chair, and

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the men, who were big, strong, brave men, ran out

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of the house determined never to come back. It kind

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of it escalated and the noises got worse. The family

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or the straw. A couple of other priests experts were

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called in and they all there was three priests and total,

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had spent weeks in the house, and they each witnessed

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all sorts of manner of poltergeist activity, but they couldn't

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solve it, like the poltar guyst would quiet and when

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they would pray or when they'd sprinkle the holy water,

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but nothing could make the poltgeist leave. And in the end,

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the family left and they got on a boat and

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went to America. The house has been abandoned since then.

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You can go and see it. A couple of stories

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I read about the three priests affards that a lot

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of the three of them suffered various illnesses and nervous breakdowns.

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Like the BBC did a couple of episodes from the

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house and the investigators picked up paranormal activity, and one

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of the investigators said it was the most haunted place

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she had ever been in. So it's it's kind of

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yet in the middle and over and it's kind of

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a creepy place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To add to that, apparently the word rid of it.

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When they went to Stateside, it followed them.

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Speaker 6: Ah, yes, I heard that as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you hear were they followed them onto the boat,

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the Portogeist and there was Diemly on the boat to America.

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There was the neighbor the neighboring cabins complained about noises

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in this Murphy family cabin.

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Speaker 1: It's been fascinating talking to your care on this book.

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Every house should have one. What's it called? Where can

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people get it?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's called Haunted Ireland. It's published by Gale. It's

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a beautiful gift book. It's a hardback. It's got these

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fantastic gothic illustrations from Dublin illustrator Mark Gale. It's called

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Haunted Ireland, An Atlas of ghost Stories from every County

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and it's available online and in all good bookstores.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic And can we give a shout out there to

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Mark Hill? Does he do that full time?

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Speaker 5: He does?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's a photographer as well, but yeah, his

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work is superb. Like even the cover I'm looking at

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here is the cover has Alice Kitler and he puts

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lots of these Easter eggs, you know, these hidden little clues.

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And so if you look at the cover, Alice Kitler

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has a necklace. It looks like an ordinary necklace, but

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when you look closer, it's actually got four wedding rings

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on it, each belonging to our four dead husbands that

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who died under mysterious circumstances.

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Speaker 1: That's intriguing. So it ain't just an illustration. There's a

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little puzzles there to be worked out in. Yes, well,

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I love that because again that'd engage somebody's imagination and

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as I said earlier, it seems to go right across

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the spectrum. Children and grown ups are going to enjoy this.

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Thank you so much for talking to Scary Era care On.

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Speaker 4: Thanks very much, Mark, Bye you too, Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Mark Manning. Well, one good turn deserves another. And this

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morning I was pleasantly surprised to see Scary Era and

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consequently Paranormal UK Radio being plugged on the on Explained

478
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dot Ie website. These guys have been around a long time.

479
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They're about to launch a project called Phantasm Collective, which

480
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is Arlen's newest paranormal investigation series. They unveil the official trailer.

481
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You can have a listen to it here that blends

482
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supernatural encounters with science. Led by investigators Anthony Kerrigan and

483
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modern day which Jessica Murphy. The show takes you deep

484
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into Ireland's most taunted locations, exploring the paranormal through spiritual,

485
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psychological and scientific lenses. I certainly hope to have Anthony

486
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and Jessica on the show soon. Give it a listen

487
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and follow it up and our next guest is less

488
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than a minute away.

489
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Speaker 7: My name is Anthony Cook and I'm Jessica Murphy. We

490
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are members of a paranormal psychical study group called ghost Era.

491
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Speaker 5: Established in two thousand and nine. We have troubled all

492
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of with the Isle of Island, reaching.

493
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Speaker 3: Out beyond the veil Delvet into the minds of numerous beings.

494
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Speaker 5: Yet managing to maintain Russian thinking towards strange phenomena.

495
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Speaker 7: In this series, we'll be examining the possibility of human

496
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survival and the mystical activity associated with it. We'll visit

497
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,599
several historic locations, working alongside our team other paranormal clues

498
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and experts in the field to find definitive answers to

499
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the most thought provoking questions. This is the phantasm collect.

500
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Speaker 1: Cus Mark, my main man how are you.

501
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Speaker 5: I'm fine. I'm preparing myself to go walking this weekend

502
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,599
for three days and we're going to do the whole

503
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:58,039
Belgian coast. So yeah, I'm taking care of provisions, drinks,

504
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these things.

505
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,839
Speaker 1: I'm okay, that's good. Hey you, yes, I'm fine. You

506
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,400
say drinks Lucas Bolls. Isn't there a drinks company called that?

507
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,599
There is there is any relation?

508
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my my ancestors that founded it. His name

509
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,440
is also Lucas Balls.

510
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:17,559
Speaker 1: I hope he left you something and he's will did.

511
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,559
Speaker 5: He only one paragraph that says like the name Balls

512
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,160
and the family volves should always until eternity be respected

513
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,160
and honored by the Royal Balls Distilleries. So every four

514
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:37,480
years we have a huge family party in Amsterdam at

515
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,880
the distilleries. And they sent me like presents every year

516
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with my birthday because I'm the last one that's immediately

517
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,680
connected to the old Lucas Balls from fifteen seventy five.

518
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:55,640
And so yeah, it's a crazy story family. They started

519
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,759
off the voc the East Indian Company. First case of

520
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:04,160
austrial espionage took place them, like it's it's a cool story.

521
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:05,519
I'll tell you about it later.

522
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,759
Speaker 1: It's a whole interview in itself. I have to say, Lucas,

523
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:13,480
what you know, I've opened up a lovely Pandora's box. There,

524
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,079
there you go, it's amazing. Now what you do for

525
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,960
a living? Is you are am I correct in saying

526
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,880
you're a film director or cinematographer? Is there a difference?

527
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: Well, a jewel like, So I'm a director both for

528
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,759
television and for cinema. So I've been working on a

529
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,799
couple of short movies for a couple of years now

530
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,160
I've addressed like, yeah, my daily business is advertising is

531
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,720
TV like, I'm a promo producer too, so I create

532
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,680
movie trailers. So storytelling in general is my my thing.

533
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,039
Speaker 1: And no, can I get it straight. Are you in

534
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,599
Holland or Belgium?

535
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,319
Speaker 5: No? Belgian, Belgium. Yeah.

536
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: Anyway, I don't want to take all your time because

537
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,519
I know what a busy man you are. Will come

538
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:01,400
to that a little bit later. So if we can

539
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:04,599
just get in on the paranormal end of things. When

540
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,640
you were a young film student, you decided to do

541
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,200
a kind of a project, so you take it from there.

542
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,599
Speaker 5: Okay, So well, as a as a film student, you

543
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,039
have to make a short movie or a documentary or

544
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,839
something audio visual connected to your interests and what you do.

545
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,960
So it's like like a tecis somehow. But then in

546
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:31,160
film form, I was really interested in one place that

547
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,000
I came across and it was supposed to be a

548
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,960
ghost house, a ghost house in a little Dutch town

549
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,200
named Sasa fun Gents. It's not so very far from

550
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,880
from Ghent, Okay. So we together with Lick two other

551
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,640
people in my class, like, we started this in endeavor

552
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,079
and we wanted to do something blair, which three I

553
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,160
think because I just came back from Australia where I

554
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,119
lived for some time and then started studying again and

555
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,079
then we had to do this. So well, this this

556
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,680
ghost though, this was quite interesting because it has a

557
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,000
really long history of like strange happenings. And it was

558
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,599
a house right on the border with Belgium, so between

559
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:17,279
Holland and Belgium, and it was raised around eighteen ninety

560
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,640
I think, or eighteen eighty five, yeah, I think it

561
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,039
was that. And it was like the director's house of

562
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,480
a glass factory in Sassfangan, so it's a very static building.

563
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:35,720
It's like we a manor. We started researching this place

564
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,799
and we found out that like because it was right

565
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,759
on the border, there used to be like an electric

566
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,440
fencing across that border, so across the house, and a

567
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720
lot of people were fuseillated or shot by the Germans

568
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,319
in those days because they were smuggling. Always, like on

569
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,400
a border area, there's a lot of smuggling going on

570
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,039
or butter for alcohol, for cows, whatever. A lot of

571
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:02,000
people died, they were electrocuted, were shot. Then in the

572
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,400
Second World War, I think like there was a lot

573
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,720
of fighting in the area too, So there was a

574
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,319
Canadian tank that wrote on the boulevard of the house

575
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,519
and it was shot or bombed. I don't really know what.

576
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: I think a mine went off. The little bit of

577
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:20,240
research I did, I killed four Canadian soldiers.

578
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, four people died right on the yeah, on

579
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:28,039
the property of the house. And then we started looking

580
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,480
into like next to the history, we started looking into

581
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,200
like what happened there? Why do people call this a

582
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,759
ghost house. We ended up like interviewing the police, like

583
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,400
the local police of Saspangan. Well they said, like, yeah,

584
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,799
there's no real proof of it, that stuff is happening there.

585
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,839
But if you look at like the records of like

586
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,880
car accidents and stuff that happens there. There's well quite

587
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,880
a lot of stuff that happened in the past ten years.

588
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,000
Some people complained that the engines of their vehicles, whether

589
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,680
it is like a motorcycle or a moped or or

590
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680
a car, Yeah, the engine stops. So when they're passing

591
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,359
by the house, the engine suddenly stops, and then yeah,

592
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,000
they have to react fast. There's been like quite some

593
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:12,440
deadly accidents. But it's not a special road. There's no traffic.

594
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,839
It's just like a little bit of a curb. They

595
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,480
drive throop, that's it. So the police couldn't rely explain

596
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,160
like all these these deadly accidents and engines of the

597
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:28,119
cars shut down and this and that. So they said like, yeah,

598
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,000
something must be going on something magnetic.

599
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 8: Or I don't know, atmospheric, atmospheric, who knows And Okay,

600
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:40,200
So next step was we took a couple of stones

601
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,279
from the house and we went to a very normal.

602
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: Fair where men and women are.

603
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there was one girl, her name was Caroline,

604
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,759
and one of my friends like Wouter, was also there.

605
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:55,440
So the three of us were making the film. And

606
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,680
then like yeah, we had had some extras and actors

607
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680
well that we hired. Also, there was like a big

608
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,640
how do you call it, like an when soldiers from

609
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,279
the First World War, Second World War re enactment groups

610
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,119
like those stakes so to reenact like parts of the

611
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,319
history of the house. And so okay, we took some

612
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,599
stones of the house and we went to a para

613
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,240
normal fair in love in the Brahmantal and it's called

614
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,839
it's like a big fair where people gather. There's like

615
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,119
some some sketchy stuff going on, but also some quite

616
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,000
amazing things have come from it. Like there's there's people

617
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:38,440
there that are quite gifted and they've worked for the

618
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,400
intelligence services. Even some people say they worked for the

619
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,759
FBI to to solve some murders and all that. Anyways,

620
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,079
we wanted to hand out like these stones to three

621
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,720
different per normally gifted people that we looked up and

622
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,680
we thought like, okay, these people are the most plausible

623
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640
and believable of the whole bunch that was there.

624
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,359
Speaker 1: It's a very novel idea great idea to do that.

625
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,319
Speaker 5: In the first place, it's it's so you can compare,

626
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,720
so everybody makes its own story, and that's that's actually

627
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,799
what happened. So we gave the stones to the first

628
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,799
per normally give the person.

629
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how how you call that a medium or.

630
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: Maybe something like that. Indeed, and this person felt a

631
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,960
strong relation to the stones, and yeah, he started talking

632
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,880
about that he saw a blonde person, a blonde man.

633
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,000
He that that person ended up somehow in the house,

634
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,160
and he saw a plane fly over and he think

635
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,200
like the plane crashed down somewhere. So okay, there was

636
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,039
like some some pieces of a story of maybe a

637
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,079
blonde person that ended up in the house. He lost

638
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,119
out traces of that person after that, so he didn't

639
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:57,400
know what happened. So the next next per normally medium

640
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,400
read the stones and more of this story came. But

641
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,200
when he first took one of the stones in his hands,

642
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,319
like one of the big lights of the expo hall

643
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,720
where we were fell down and it felt right next

644
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:10,799
to the medium, we were.

645
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,119
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck absolutely excuse me, yeah, not at all.

646
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,559
Speaker 5: And then of course, like the medium said like yeah,

647
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,759
it's it's connected to the stone and it's a sign

648
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,599
that we should look into this, and blah blah blah,

649
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,559
but we proceeded. The organization came in and they kind

650
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,200
of placed all the stands where the people were sitting

651
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,440
away from the lights. So they took it serious, like

652
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,359
what happened? And then this person started talking somehow about

653
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:41,319
the same thing. It's an airplane with a red ball

654
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,599
underneath the wings, like a pond or a swamp. And

655
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,279
then the people from the house they found that person

656
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,440
somewhere somehow. Okay. Another part of the story third person

657
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:56,000
was the same.

658
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,039
Speaker 1: Can I just ask you a question before we get

659
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,359
into the third person, and that were they all in

660
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,599
the same room at the time you conducted these stone

661
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,319
tests or were they separate?

662
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: They were separate.

663
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, they weren't getting a lead of each other,

664
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,320
is what I'm saying.

665
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,119
Speaker 5: Oh, not at all, not at all, because like they

666
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,719
didn't know of each other either, like they were participating

667
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,679
on the same thing.

668
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: All right, my apology into the third medium.

669
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,519
Speaker 5: Then yeah, the third medium continued the story and what

670
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,280
we actually found out, like it's okay, so if you

671
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,760
combine the three stories, is that a British RF flyer

672
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,079
person with blonde hair, crashed the plane somewhere in a

673
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,880
swamp not so very far from the house, and the

674
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,400
people from the house must have seen it. They went

675
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,039
to the to the plane or to the swamp, and

676
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,800
they got the soldier out, they got the pilot out,

677
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,920
and they took it to the house. That's the whole

678
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,079
story that we got. Right, of course, there's no proof.

679
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,199
There was nothing, no record about like a plane crashing down.

680
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,400
We looked into the archives of Sasfangen, so okay, we

681
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,159
were left with just somehow useless information. But it was

682
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,639
really interesting. Yeah, it all tal It and and that

683
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:13,880
that really got our interest. So we called and I

684
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,960
think he died, but he was like the ghost hunter

685
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,000
dot NL, so he was the most prestigious ghost hunter

686
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:26,079
that Holland had. Yeah, took some cases in Hungry I

687
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:29,400
think where he found like in a haunted house, Like

688
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,639
he found like a priest locked into behind the wall,

689
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,360
like a sixteenth century priest that was locked up there.

690
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,039
So he found that skeleton. And after they found that skeleton,

691
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:43,119
like the haunting stopped. So it triggered us to call him.

692
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,840
So he took him to the house and well he

693
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,119
knew of the house, like he'd been there several times

694
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:52,400
before that. Yeah, we were walking around and he said like, yeah,

695
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,039
you can take pictures. So in every living space of

696
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:58,920
the house, it was a ruined at that time.

697
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask, Yeah, what condition was

698
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:03,599
it in. Was it kind of emptied out at that

699
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,000
stage of furniture or was it a shell.

700
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 5: Or I think it was just a shell. So it

701
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,000
didn't have any floors anymore, didn't have a ceiling, so

702
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,880
the interior, yeah, it was just walls.

703
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: But the facade was holding up.

704
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,559
Speaker 5: So that's it. Yeah, so it was tricky to walk

705
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,880
around there. But we used like we walked through there.

706
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,039
We what we said to meet around the eleven o'clock

707
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,280
in the evening and then go around the house.

708
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: And he was gonna, sorry, what time of year was

709
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,880
this is winter?

710
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it should be wintertime, February.

711
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,599
Speaker 1: March, extra tills.

712
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.

713
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,079
Speaker 1: So there you are eleven o'clock at winter's night, Yeah,

714
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:44,519
and you're in the house.

715
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,559
Speaker 5: What happened First, we walked around the house because there

716
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,760
was no windows and no doors anymore. You could see

717
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,960
through the house and every now and then he was

718
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,199
taking pictures this yost and well, one of the things

719
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:57,880
he showed us at that time, like one of the

720
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,679
first pictures he took, it showed like an or like

721
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,719
that was in the living room or where the living

722
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,360
room had been but a little ball. It did have

723
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,840
a little tail behind it, which kind of showed the direction.

724
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,159
So this little tale kind of showed that the ball

725
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,880
was moving left. So we continued and we went to

726
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,880
the left and there was a hallway. He took some

727
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,679
pictures there and you could kind of see the ball there,

728
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,119
but the tail shifted like.

729
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,199
Speaker 1: This was on video.

730
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 5: No, it was on a.

731
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:31,079
Speaker 1: Prostatic yeah, okay, so like a normal camera.

732
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. Okay, well he said it was

733
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,960
like a special kind of.

734
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Sure infrared or something. Yeah.

735
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looked like a normal camera.

736
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

737
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 5: And so it took like four or five of these

738
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,800
pictures with this ORB thing flying around. I'd never heard

739
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,480
about it, like an orb he said, Like it's one

740
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:55,199
of the main manifestations of an entity over or energy

741
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,559
source that's still present somewhere. Again, we were intrigued, but

742
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:03,000
it was not scary about it. It was just like, okay,

743
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,360
you saw it on the pictures. First we thought like

744
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,840
maybe it's some dust, or maybe it's like a like

745
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,800
some humidity or I don't know what. You always try

746
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,119
to look for logic in these things. It's okay, that happens.

747
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,400
Then we talked to the neighbors of the house. We

748
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,639
did some interviews with them, and well, they had some

749
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,039
weird experiences as is, as in like okay, energy drops,

750
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,639
like the phone would suddenly not work anymore, and sometimes

751
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:33,280
there would be lights around the house that they couldn't explain. Yes,

752
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,320
but a lot of it I think they blamed on people.

753
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: That were doing like ghost hunting.

754
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you say that, like with the wiki

755
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,880
board or to search for.

756
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, so they'd be yeah, like a black mass

757
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,920
or something like that where it's it's it gets kind

758
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
of dark, shall we say, in terms of what they're

759
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,280
trying to do.

760
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.

761
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: And yeah with devil worshippers or.

762
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,199
Speaker 5: Probably those were there too, because we saw like a

763
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,039
big satan kind.

764
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: The pentagram, yeah side, so that was interesting.

765
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,119
Speaker 5: But for the rest okay, so we finished the movie.

766
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,480
Nothing really happened except like, yeah, you got a weird

767
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,719
feeling sometimes like the chills, but it was it was wintertime,

768
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,480
so yeah, we could explain that. And now, years and

769
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:28,400
years later, I think it was fifteen years or seventeen

770
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,800
years later, I was looking through the newspaper and I

771
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,239
saw a news bulletin of that he found something in

772
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,639
sas Fagan in the village where the house was. It's

773
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,639
the house in the meantime has been completely destroyed. I'd

774
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,239
done an interview with the owner at the time and

775
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,079
he was like a big I don't know, businessman, like

776
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,679
a factory older and he wanted to sell the land

777
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,480
or so. I don't know what happened. Anyways, the house

778
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:54,679
doesn't exist anymore.

779
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 1: Ah, but that would be on half of people would

780
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,440
have been really annoyed about that, and I say probably

781
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:01,519
half were quite happy.

782
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 5: I think so that the I think the neighbors were

783
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,400
quite happy that a lot of people they were angry

784
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,599
because they lost part of the history and the intrigue

785
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,519
they couldn't.

786
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: Real notoriety and a bit of maybe a bit of

787
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,039
economy as well.

788
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 5: Think so. And I think touristically it's kind of interesting

789
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,519
to have a ghost house, like a known ghost house.

790
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,559
I think. I know there's a lot of them in

791
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,159
England and it's a big tourist attraction there. So But anyway,

792
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,360
it's like I saw this this news bulletin and it

793
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,719
said they found something in sas fan Gens. They found

794
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,559
an R. E. F plane not so very far from

795
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,639
the house. In a well, so it had sunken down.

796
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,119
And if they linked the plane like yeah, two who

797
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,039
flew it at the time that it lifted off? It

798
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,079
was a blonde soldier. I don't I don't remember the name. Yes,

799
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:56,559
I don't believe it said so in.

800
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: The in the new log. Yeah.

801
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, And after seventeen years I recalled everything. You know,

802
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,960
it's like, whoa, this whole story kind of makes sense now.

803
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,079
It's a circle that has found its conclusion and somehow

804
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:12,960
I was so happy.

805
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you know, it was a story in

806
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,840
itself that you've gone there fifteen years prior and yeah

807
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,760
and uncovered all this. You know, that to me is

808
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,119
as much a story as the plane itself being discovered.

809
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 5: I think so. But you never know what's true or

810
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,320
what's not in the in the same case, like it's

811
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,599
just an invention that people that are sensitive to certain

812
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:37,280
things pick up and they tell you this and you

813
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,599
believe it, but you never know. But this thing is

814
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,559
kind of like, Okay, now we know that there's something

815
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,960
really feasible about their story and their powers too. I

816
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,559
guess like.

817
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: It was a vindication.

818
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, that's it. Yeah, So that's kind of

819
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,920
my story about that house in sais fang game.

820
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: And you've never had anything happened since set up all.

821
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,599
Speaker 5: Or that made you think, I have a lot of things.

822
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: Are you sensitive to those things? Are you interested in them? Orders?

823
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,440
It just by the by it happens, and it's one

824
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,360
of those things that make you go ooh really interested.

825
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm skeptical, but that's healthy.

826
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:19,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

827
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: You have to.

828
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: You have to.

829
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,639
Speaker 5: But the place where I grew up, like we we

830
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,280
have a lot of Celtic roots, like not Celtic as

831
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:32,039
in Ireland, but the Celts as in a tribe tribes

832
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,320
that lived here. The goals they call them to.

833
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: The Oh yes, the goals, famous dying goal. It's a statue.

834
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful stay, isn't it. It is with the

835
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,599
wire around the necker.

836
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah yeah. You see around there as well,

837
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,719
you get what's called bug bodies. Have you ever heard

838
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,000
of that?

839
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,039
Speaker 5: That's more that's in Holland, the bug bodies, Yeah.

840
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Dog bodies. We have them here in Ireland as well.

841
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: You do, yeah, yeah, It's it's interesting the bug by

842
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,280
because they're actually sacrifices.

843
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: They are and in one case, you know, I definitely know.

844
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,000
I think it might be up in Denmark, but the ligature,

845
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:09,320
you can see it. It's there.

846
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. I've seen a couple of them,

847
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,760
like here in Ghent, Like we had an exhibition in

848
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,760
the gravel Stain and it's the Castle of the Jukes.

849
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,360
It's like right in the middle of Ghent, a thirteenth

850
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,519
century castle, and they had a couple of bug bodies there.

851
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,920
It's beautiful, like it's well, they're tiny. It kind of

852
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,360
feels like the people have shrunk a little bit, like yes,

853
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
they're completely black, but you see the whole texture of

854
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,239
their skin, their clothes, like everything's there.

855
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: I was amazed as well as the condition of the hands.

856
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,000
They're almost some of them were. Might I might have

857
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:48,119
been of a higher class or something. They're manicuring nearly

858
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,079
you know. Oh really you can see the hands are

859
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:56,199
just so beautiful. Have you encountered anything even auditory sounds.

860
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:58,719
I was talking to a guy in the States a

861
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,119
few years ago, and he hitched up camp in the

862
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:03,920
desert one night, and he was on his own and

863
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,639
the Arizona Desert, I think, and he just said, look,

864
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,280
I've never had anything paranormal happen in my life. Both

865
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000
this occasion and that was an auditory thing. He said,

866
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,840
I could hear this noise. It was like I was

867
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,519
surrounded by birds flapping or fish in a shoal. He said.

868
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,079
It was a noise of nature, but it engulfed the tent.

869
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,320
He said. I went outside at two am in the morning,

870
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,119
he said, really afraid, and I could hear it, but

871
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:34,920
I couldn't see anything apart from the desert stars. I interrupted,

872
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,880
you there, sorry, old son, is It's an interesting story.

873
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,079
Speaker 5: It's something similar When I lived in Australia, like what

874
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:43,960
I std there for I don't know, like a year

875
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,239
or so, and I met some Japanese people. Of Australia's

876
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,760
full of Japanese people, and we hung out like one

877
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,639
evening in their home state parents' house. While we were

878
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,039
we were looking around through the through the house and

879
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,960
we found all these pictures of like nineteenth century pig

880
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,480
sures that think of people that were posing. But then

881
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,480
we looked better at the pictures and it was actually

882
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,679
like one person that was alive and the other person

883
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,360
was dead, but they made it look as if the

884
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,239
dead person was still alive. They did that in those days.

885
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Oh, there was a trend I think for that kind

886
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:19,400
of thing at Victorian times, photographing the dead, you know.

887
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: And so yeah, because it costs a lot of money,

888
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,360
like the taking a picture, and most people didn't have

889
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,360
like a picture of their loved one before they died,

890
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,760
so they yeah, they made them look as if they

891
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,199
were alive and took a picture of post morton, which

892
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,960
is kind of interesting. Well, okay, so we found these

893
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,639
pictures and we were kind of well, this is weird,

894
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,960
like this person really had thousands of these pictures. So

895
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,079
it continued, like we had some wine and we had

896
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:49,480
some food. I think we made burgers that evening, and

897
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,440
then suddenly, like you know, like in Australia, like it

898
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,519
wasn't Cairns and a lot of houses they have like

899
00:45:55,639 --> 00:46:00,400
a ground level and then there's like the living level

900
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,559
is on top of that, like so people live on

901
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,440
the first floor and below that it's kind of like

902
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,280
a garage. They do have some sofas and all that,

903
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,400
and some fridges and this and that, but it's more

904
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:15,000
just a general area where people enter the house. So

905
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,400
we were sitting on the first floor and suddenly we

906
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,960
heard this piano music coming from downstairs. And we were like, well,

907
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:26,000
this is weird because there was nobody there, and well,

908
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,599
for as much as my Japanese friends knew, there was

909
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:33,599
no piano there, so I think we were five people

910
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,719
and okay, the Japanese they were immediately a bit afraid,

911
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,079
but they have a different culture than us, so everything

912
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:45,000
with them is kind of related or linked with their ancestors.

913
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,639
These weird things happen like it can be something very

914
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:51,880
scary for them, or it can be something very positive,

915
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,239
but they look at it as a kind of vision

916
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,400
or so, I don't know. They tried to explain, but

917
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,039
it wasn't completely clear. So we got up and we

918
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:05,880
started walking downstairs. And when we entered this space on

919
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,440
the ground floor, like like what you said, just now,

920
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:11,679
like the piano music was all around us. It didn't

921
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,840
come from one direction. It just embolved us, like in beautiful,

922
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,800
soft kind of music. But we couldn't see where it

923
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,679
was coming from. So I was looking for like a

924
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,880
radio or like like music boxes on the ceiling. Maybe

925
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,880
there was like four boxes, I thought, like where the

926
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,039
sound would come from, but there was no music boxes.

927
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,199
So that was a really weird experience. From the moment

928
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,800
we touched the floor like we all five of us,

929
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,679
like the music stopped and it didn't return anymore. But

930
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,119
it was like we were completely engulved with this beautiful

931
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,039
piano melody.

932
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Tell me, could you tell what type of music it was?

933
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,719
Like European or would it have been Japanese or is

934
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,679
it just tranquil?

935
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,079
Speaker 5: It was very tranquil European music. It's a bit in

936
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,920
the style of moonlight.

937
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,159
Speaker 1: Lovely, beautiful. Can I just tell you something very personal?

938
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:15,079
Within the last three days, my sister's husband died. Yeah,

939
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,320
he was seventy five and he'd been ill, but he

940
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,320
was very British. And she was sharing with me her

941
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,880
thoughts yesterday because she was obviously still and it was

942
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,880
the first time I'd phoned her since it had happened.

943
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,400
And she said, David was a lovely man, but very stiff,

944
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,519
Upper British and he didn't come on with the big

945
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,719
bunches of flowers or anything like that. And she said,

946
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,800
and the other thing was moonlight sonata would bring him

947
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,480
to tears.

948
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 5: There you go, Yeah.

949
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:45,159
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?

950
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 5: Yes?

951
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,119
Speaker 1: So can I ask one more question then, because I

952
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:49,920
don't want to take up all your time because you

953
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,320
are busy with what would Ann win? The movie is

954
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,480
in production and you're in the funding stage, etc. But

955
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,800
when I get feelings about people, right, I've always liked

956
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,239
you the few conversations we've had, but I think you're

957
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,239
a very kind person. How do you feel like about animals?

958
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,559
And would you pick up on anything? I won't even

959
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:13,719
say paranormal, but maybe spiritual because, like I'll be honest

960
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,440
with you, I have a cat. He's out. He must

961
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,559
be about twenty feet from where I am, and that

962
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:20,719
thing I call him, he's more like a dog at times,

963
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,639
but he's human. He knows me I pick up on stuff.

964
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Does Lucas have any animals in his life?

965
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 5: Well, we've always had cats. Yeah, so we have two

966
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,119
cats right now. It's like two little boys. I've always

967
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,159
had the ability to make a very fast connection with animals.

968
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:43,199
I think like with dogs a little less.

969
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,159
Speaker 1: It's usually the opposite, isn't it? People like with cats?

970
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,519
You know you often I always feel like, you know,

971
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,960
if I mentioned do you like cats to people, I'm

972
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,079
ready to kind of come to the cat's defense because

973
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:02,159
so many people kind of go yikes, no, And it's

974
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,760
usually female funny enough, And I used to think, is

975
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,159
it your femininity is threatened in some way. Now that

976
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,960
I don't mean that sound like sexist, but it was

977
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,320
the vehemence with which females don't like cats, whereas guys

978
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,960
kind of go, oh, I'm not a cat person. I'm

979
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,599
more of a dog person, whereas sometimes a woman, in

980
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:26,000
my experience anyway, will almost recoil. Yeah, about cats, there's a.

981
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 5: Lot of understanding with cats. I think, like, well, or

982
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,440
that's kind of what people put on cats like it's

983
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,519
like they feel like a cat understands them when they're

984
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:40,119
down very much. Yeah, it's a solid like they someone

985
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,880
that I know. For example, she's doing like a horse

986
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:43,960
therapy at the moment.

987
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:45,079
Speaker 1: Oh, I've heard of that.

988
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, And well, I was filming a couple of years

989
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,840
back in a farm and they use the horses to

990
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,400
find like cancer. So it happened a couple of times

991
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,280
because they had a chiropractor doing practices with the horses.

992
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,880
But then they would introduce people in the stable and

993
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,440
the horse would also be present while the chiropractor was

994
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,360
doing his thing. A couple of times, like the horse

995
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,480
would go to a certain area on the body and

996
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,599
it would keep on going to that same location. And

997
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:20,280
then after that that happened, like the person thought that

998
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,559
was really weird. Yeah, I think a month later, two

999
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,800
months later, they found out that there was cancer. I

1000
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,000
think that was pancry as cancer. So and the person

1001
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,639
returned back to the to the to the farm and said, like, yeah,

1002
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,000
it's really weird because the horse was always pointing at

1003
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,840
that direction. I always came there, and maybe there's something

1004
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,000
more to it. And then they did some research and

1005
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,639
it seems like horses have that ability to find like

1006
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,559
those kinds of things too, Like, well, there's nothing.

1007
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: Physically, it's something you really tend to associate more so

1008
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,679
with a dog or a pig with truffles, but the

1009
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,559
horse with a horse. To me, it's the eyes have

1010
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,800
it when you look in those beautiful eyes. But that's

1011
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,000
an amazing story. Tell me about the movie that's in production,

1012
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:08,119
because we've a lot of us listeners to this. Besides it,

1013
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,800
the podcast is called Scary Era Era being the Gaelic

1014
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,960
word for Ireland. So just repeat after me. By the way,

1015
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,480
I have to do this, Lucas, just say, Bagora, there

1016
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,679
you go. So yeah, I now Knight you officially an

1017
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,320
honorary Irish person. So that I can defend the material. No,

1018
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,159
it's it's generally Gaelic and Irish related, but we never

1019
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:31,679
let it get in the way of a good story.

1020
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,199
On Win spell that for me.

1021
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 5: On Win is nw y n and it seems.

1022
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: To me from the bit I've a voiceover I was

1023
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,199
involved in, which did bring me to tears. I have

1024
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,320
to say, the kind of village scene or the guy

1025
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,239
coming home, just tell us, tell us about it, what

1026
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,280
stage it's at, and she'll call us a day.

1027
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 5: Yes, and when is what I would name like a

1028
00:52:53,880 --> 00:53:00,519
historic sci fi film. I've completely fonded it myself. Yeah,

1029
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,880
in Belgium, there's like a wave of that they're taking away,

1030
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,880
like cultural subscissions these.

1031
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: Days, so.

1032
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,119
Speaker 5: There is nowadays they're back. But when I launched my production, like,

1033
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,280
there was some issues and there was sixty percent less

1034
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:21,559
subsisions in the two years that I launched, so I

1035
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:23,519
was really unhappy and unlucky.

1036
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Totally understand that.

1037
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 5: But anyways, like I did it. Anyways, I was in

1038
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,559
a burnout and I wanted to get out, so I yeah,

1039
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,880
the movie was a whole introspection really into myself and

1040
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,559
my my demons and my hope of becoming my better

1041
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:43,639
self again because I was really down and out back then. Anyways,

1042
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,360
I started making the movie. It's a story about first

1043
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,440
of all, a chapter where you have a Celtic farmer

1044
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,119
that arrives well at his farm and his wife and

1045
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:57,079
kid have been killed by the Romans. Afterwards, like he

1046
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:59,440
doesn't know what to do with his sadness, like so

1047
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,760
tries everything to deal with the sadness, like he yeah,

1048
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,480
you have to see the movie. It's in general, the

1049
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:11,079
whole movie is about like despair, sadness, how people deal

1050
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,280
with it over a period of six thousand years, starting

1051
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,519
with the Celtic farmer one hundred BC, and we go

1052
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,079
like four thousand years in the future. There is a

1053
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,800
British soldier Charlie is his name, Like he's lost his

1054
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,360
regiment and ends up in the Belgium trenches about minutes

1055
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:32,079
before like the Germans start their first use of chlorine

1056
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:36,239
gas on the Western Front in Belgium. And then there

1057
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,599
is around like he's the ruler of and Win. I

1058
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:43,320
don't know if you know. The Celts, they believed in

1059
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,719
like a parallel world that existed next two hours where

1060
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,800
people could be what they weren't in real life.

1061
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: Oh what a lovely concept. I wasn't aware of.

1062
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 5: That they could could wear a mask to be for example,

1063
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:58,559
you were a simple farmer, but you could wear the

1064
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:01,280
mask of a warrior, and then in that world you

1065
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,840
would be a warrior. There's many legends about it, like

1066
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,639
the ruler of and when his name is around and

1067
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,679
I've included him in the movie as the person that

1068
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,719
can open up a gateway to the afterlife somehow. That's

1069
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,400
because a lot of what we've how we've created heaven,

1070
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,599
it's based on a lot of historical stories and images

1071
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,800
that people have created over the years, and so the

1072
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,199
Viking Valhalla for example. When heaven everything's connected, so there's

1073
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,039
images of all those religions that kind of overlapped. So, yeah,

1074
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:38,320
this person is always present, this around is here at

1075
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,719
the beginning of times. He is in the First World War?

1076
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,199
Is it the celt Like he's always present and he

1077
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,400
just watches and he kind of gives like tools to

1078
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,760
the people to have a look into this and when

1079
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,639
into this other world and how life could be different.

1080
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:56,840
But it's also an illusion, that's all. He tries to

1081
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,760
get these people into believing something that it's not so

1082
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,159
positive as it seems. As don't be gullible, like death

1083
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,199
and evil is everywhere, that kind of idea. Well, we're

1084
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,239
eight years in production now the shooting has been it's finished.

1085
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:16,639
We shot for three years, I think because I didn't

1086
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,039
have any money, Like it took quite a long time

1087
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,199
because I was working two three shifts per day to

1088
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,599
fund like one weekend of shooting every three months. I

1089
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,079
think it was. We had about forty nine shooting days

1090
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:35,480
in France and Germany, Belgium, Holland, Iceland, so that visually

1091
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:39,760
it's it's fantastic, like, yeah, it's just alone Iceland is It's.

1092
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: Like I was just going to say, that would have

1093
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,599
been the Jewel and the Crown, really fantastic Iceland.

1094
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 5: I wanted to to have like a post apocalyptic world

1095
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,800
and that's what you found there. And then now we're

1096
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,599
at the end of the post production phase. But we

1097
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:58,159
still have some costs. There's grading, some special effects that

1098
00:56:58,199 --> 00:56:59,920
need to be done, like some of the sound design

1099
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,960
still needs to be finished. So I started off a

1100
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,960
crowdfunding campaign on and launched like on Instagram, on Facebook, on.

1101
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: Under Unwin is it or there you go go fund

1102
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,599
me or what is the kickstarter?

1103
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, dot com it's kind of specialized in the film.

1104
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,639
Speaker 1: How's that spelled?

1105
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 5: U L E L E dot com? Okay, if you

1106
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,880
type in and win A N N W Y and

1107
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,800
then you'll end up there. You can also find a

1108
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,679
link on on on Instagram and and Facebook underscore.

1109
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: The movie well, Lucas, it's actually an idea that has

1110
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,360
been embolded somewhat as well and accepted that trauma dating

1111
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,519
back eons can be kept. I think I'm very layman here,

1112
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,079
but genetically it the trauma can be imbued. The theory

1113
00:57:56,239 --> 00:58:00,519
is anyway and carry on through generations as recent as

1114
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:06,400
the Holocaust. Relatives of Holocaust victims have apparently this thing

1115
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,719
in them, this trauma. I can't explain how it manifests,

1116
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,159
but it's accepted now that you know, and I'm sure

1117
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:15,440
the same goes on with slavery. And what you don't

1118
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,719
hear about often at all is the Irish famine, which

1119
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,039
in itself was a Holocaust. I mean it was kind

1120
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,599
of by design. People tell you it's Josh to do

1121
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:27,920
with potatoes, and listen, there was plenty effiicient the sea

1122
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,719
in Ireland and lots of vegetables besides potatoes, so there

1123
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,280
was a lot went on there that people never discuss

1124
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,480
so and the trauma of it, I know, just you know,

1125
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,679
even if it's just word of mouth and nothing to

1126
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,880
do with DNA, it goes on and on and remains.

1127
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,639
I suppose it's history, but in present form.

1128
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just plain misery, really plain misery.

1129
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: But anyway, you help bring us out of that with

1130
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:54,599
all the kind of colors and everything, because I've seen

1131
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:57,559
the rushets and it's amazing. So people will know now

1132
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:59,519
if they have deep pockets where to go.

1133
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 5: There you go, Lucas.

1134
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,599
Speaker 1: It's been lovely talking to you. Indeed, I could talk

1135
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,679
to you more, but I do respect your time and

1136
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:07,920
I know how busy you are. It's a great story,

1137
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,559
as I said, the Lucas Bold story to begin with. Yeah,

1138
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:13,559
well you know, I said, wow, this guy has the

1139
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,559
same name as I'm sure there's a few ghosts in

1140
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:17,519
that family as well.

1141
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:21,679
Speaker 5: Eh, well know we still have to have to find them.

1142
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,039
Speaker 1: Okay, cheers Lucas. Lovely talking to you. Okay, Well that's it,

1143
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,679
or as we say in Gaelic, shin a. My thanks

1144
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:35,719
to Paranormal UK Radio for hosting Scary Era and indeed

1145
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,119
my two guests today weren't they fantastic? Kiran Fanning, author

1146
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,360
and filmmaker Lucas Boltz. We broadcast and slingshot this show

1147
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,000
to whatever corner of the world you are in. From

1148
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:51,920
the island of Ireland, we've got tombstones older than some

1149
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:56,119
countries' histories. We're a passionate lot. Or in the words

1150
00:59:56,159 --> 01:00:00,760
of the late great poet William Butler, yeats advi have

1151
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:06,000
we come great hatred, little room aimed us at the start.

1152
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,599
I carry from my mother's womb a fanatic heart. So

1153
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:13,480
until next time, keep a little mark in your heart.

1154
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,599
Take care because I care. Goodbye, slon lat