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<v Speaker 1>Oh gee is bolt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's showtime.

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<v Speaker 3>People say good money to see this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>When they go out to a theater.

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<v Speaker 1>They are cold sodas from a pop popcorn and no

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<v Speaker 1>monsters in the protection booth.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.

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<v Speaker 5>Let it off, I click leave on Porne.

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<v Speaker 6>Your subordinates will be reported to door dows hq Alexi.

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<v Speaker 6>It's me open up, Lena, Oh Helena, Hi Dad?

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry about the way. It was all important?

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<v Speaker 4>Call highly classified.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of work, A lot of work, many irons

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<v Speaker 5>in fire.

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<v Speaker 7>You feel fulfilled?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, so for so filled? But why do

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<v Speaker 4>you ask this? What brings you here?

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<v Speaker 7>There's something wrong with me an emptiness. I'm just drifting

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<v Speaker 7>and I don't have purpose. I thought throwing myself into

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<v Speaker 7>work was the answer.

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<v Speaker 5>Will you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh no, who are you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Bob?

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<v Speaker 7>Who sent you?

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<v Speaker 9>Bob?

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you all?

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<v Speaker 4>You were all sent?

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<v Speaker 7>Everyone here has done bad things, shadows, robbing, government labs.

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<v Speaker 2>Contract kills.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so so someone once has gone what the hell.

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<v Speaker 3>We're brought up with this belief that there are good

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<v Speaker 3>guys and there are bad guys.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the plan.

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<v Speaker 11>This could get lissy, but eventually you come to realize

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<v Speaker 11>that there are bad guys, and there are worse guys

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<v Speaker 11>than nothing else.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at you so adorable?

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<v Speaker 4>She's bullet groups.

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<v Speaker 8>What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Iron?

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<v Speaker 8>It's bullet group?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that Bucky?

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<v Speaker 2>That's no good?

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to a special episode at the Projection Booth Culture

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<v Speaker 4>Cast Midnight viewing all that stuff. I'm your host, Mike

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<v Speaker 4>whitecho and me once again, is mister Christashu.

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<v Speaker 2>That asterisk better means something by the end of this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Also joining us is Father Alone.

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<v Speaker 3>That Asterisk is meetings. Much like the rest of this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>On this special episode, we are diving into the electrifying

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<v Speaker 4>world of Thunderbolts Asterisk. We are going to dissect Marvel's

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<v Speaker 4>unconventional team of anti heroes and misfits, exploring how this

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<v Speaker 4>film crashes into the MCU lineup. We are going to

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<v Speaker 4>get into the film's themes of redemption, betrayal, and blurred

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<v Speaker 4>moral lines. Yes, we're going to be spoiling things, but

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<v Speaker 4>hoping to keep that for a little later in the discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>I really couldn't believe that Bucky dies. That's really terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's almost like the people who made this movie

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<v Speaker 2>spoiled parts of the movie. Ahead of time almost.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost, Yeah, Chris, what did you think of Marble's Thunderbolts

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<v Speaker 4>as risk?

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<v Speaker 2>If you could see me right now, which you can't

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who's listening, but Father Malone and Mike currently have

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<v Speaker 2>my hair and corn rows because I was on vacation

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<v Speaker 2>for a week on a Disney cruise. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>a Disney cruise around the time of movie premieres, you

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<v Speaker 2>might get to see it on the boat. That is,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact what happened last week. I got to see

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<v Speaker 2>The Thunderbolts essentially ten forty five on Thursday night, but

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<v Speaker 2>the night before it came out, so it came out

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<v Speaker 2>Friday at twelve. I saw it essentially when it premiered.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a little even snippet. David Harbor was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody on the Disney Cruise Line, this is the Thunderbolts premiere.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like wow, Like I'll tell you. The other thing

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<v Speaker 2>I watched on the cruise line was Snow White twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, which, my god, baffling, baffling moving that movie

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<v Speaker 2>is an affront to a lot of things. Remaking Snow White, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but wow, lots of choices being made. Speaking of choices

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<v Speaker 2>being made, I got to see Thunder, like I said same,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially within twenty four hours of you guys getting to

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<v Speaker 2>see it. I enjoyed it. I think it has its issues,

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<v Speaker 2>and boy, there are some things where I'm like, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're and I'm just I sent my clock to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm waiting and I'm waiting and I'm waiting and

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. And some of it was like, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>we knew it was coming. Some of it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know what was coming up. So Marvel did

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<v Speaker 2>a better job, in my opinion, promoting this movie than

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<v Speaker 2>they did with, say, the movie that had Red Hulk

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<v Speaker 2>in it for nine minutes. When they promoted it for

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred percent of the promotional material was the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Hulk.

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<v Speaker 4>Of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fun. I love Florence Pugh, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>probably a little biased in terms of my ability to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy this movie. I was already at a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a I don't know, you've got me in the

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<v Speaker 2>door with Florence Pugh, You've got me in the door

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<v Speaker 2>with David Harbor. So I already enjoyed that most everything

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<v Speaker 2>that they are in. So this was gonna be something

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to watch anyways, but I was actually

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat excited to watch this movie. All of that to say,

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<v Speaker 2>it has its problems, I think it's better than Captain

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<v Speaker 2>America Brave New World. That might be controversial. Father Malone

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<v Speaker 2>and I may have some back and forth. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>because we didn't really get to talk to Father Malone

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<v Speaker 2>about Captain America. And there will be only one more

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity this year for us to talk about Marvel things

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<v Speaker 2>with the upcoming Fantastic Four movie. So this, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>is a pretty big movie this year, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're going into it hoping it's a big

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<v Speaker 2>movie and it lives up to what it been advertising

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<v Speaker 2>itself as a Marvel suicide squad, I think for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part it checks the boxes. It has its problems,

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<v Speaker 2>but I enjoyed it, I think a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>than I've enjoyed the last Captain America movie. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>rewatched dead Pool Wolverine several times since I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>last year. That movie does not hold up really well.

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<v Speaker 2>The next couple it's a pameo with like a couple scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>is what dead Pool Wolverine is for me. It's four Seeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Then pretty much everything else is whatever we've seen this before,

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<v Speaker 2>or the addition of Wolverine made it a lesser movie.

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<v Speaker 2>So in terms of my enjoyment, I enjoyed this more

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<v Speaker 2>than the last couple Marvel things I've seen. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really curious what y'all thought, because y'all saw it in

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<v Speaker 2>like theaters, I'm assuming I saw with lots of people.

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<v Speaker 2>People were reacting to this movie in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen in theaters in a while. People were

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<v Speaker 2>clapping and really excited, and I appreciated that more than

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, that people were like engaging with the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>which felt refreshing in a way. I actually felt like

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<v Speaker 2>I could sit and watch this movie and people were

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<v Speaker 2>sitting around me and laughing and enjoying it and having

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<v Speaker 2>a good time. So maybe the bar was relatively low.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's part of it. Father alone, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you think of Thunderbolts asterisk?

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<v Speaker 3>Wasted opportunity is what I would say. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>one I was really looking forward to from the MCU

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<v Speaker 3>from everything that got announced in the previous phase? Is

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<v Speaker 3>this Phase four? Phase five? Where is this official?

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<v Speaker 4>Does anyone know?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Phase this is Phase five. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the first film in Phase five.

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<v Speaker 3>This was technically supposed to come out before Captain America

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<v Speaker 3>Brave New World.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Fuckeroo of Spider Man and Doctor Strange

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<v Speaker 2>all over again.

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<v Speaker 4>So this was.

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<v Speaker 3>Supposed to be part of Phase four. As part of

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<v Speaker 3>Phase four, I would say this is great. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the best part of Phase four as a step towards

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<v Speaker 3>Phase five. I don't know what the fuck they're doing. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>they've already proven that you can have a disparate band

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<v Speaker 3>of misfits and turn them into a team and then

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to love them. With Guardians of the Galaxy,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Suicide Squad both Suicide Squad movies over at

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<v Speaker 3>DC were in reaction to Gardians of the Galaxy, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think they tried to replicate that tone these sort

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<v Speaker 3>of goofy ultimate and ultimately tone which Thunderbolts in its conception,

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<v Speaker 3>was a group of fucking villains. Barren Zimo formed the

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<v Speaker 3>fucking Thunderbolts initially this is their chance to do the

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<v Speaker 3>team up of the fucking serious people in the MCU,

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<v Speaker 3>and for the most part they act very serious once

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<v Speaker 3>they engage in combat, but then the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all sort of jokesterism that none of the jokes land,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't want them to be cracking wise with

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<v Speaker 3>each other, Like John Walker is a piece of shit

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<v Speaker 3>of a human being. That's what I like about it,

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<v Speaker 3>because ultimately he wants to do the right thing. These

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<v Speaker 3>are all terrible people yearning to be better, and what

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<v Speaker 3>we get is a glad handing, slapping on the back

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<v Speaker 3>thing for a good hand of this movie. This movie

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't begin until one hour in. Honestly, if this had

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<v Speaker 3>been a Marvel Television special where at the end we

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<v Speaker 3>get to meet the new Avengers, okay, that makes sense

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<v Speaker 3>to me, but as its own feature film, it's so

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<v Speaker 3>disjointed and weirdly paced. We get all of the characters

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<v Speaker 3>thrown in, but it's an exposition dump I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>and a very lazy exposition dumb as well. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>standoff of Stan. It's like who are you?

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<v Speaker 8>Who are you?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like Spider manning one another Mike, same question

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Thoughts on Thunderbolt's astisk.

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<v Speaker 4>I am unfamiliar with this as a comics title, I

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<v Speaker 4>have nothing to compare it against. I'm not familiar with

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<v Speaker 4>who the villain is of this film. I guess there

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<v Speaker 4>are two villains. Really. I am familiar with the Julia

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<v Speaker 4>Lewis Dreyfus character who keeps popping up in these Marvel shows.

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<v Speaker 4>And then at the end of Black Widow. Is it

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<v Speaker 4>weird that I keep forgiving that Black Widow is dead

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<v Speaker 4>because I keep watching the Black Widow movie, and I

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<v Speaker 4>always don't think that people are dead in permanence in

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<v Speaker 4>Marvel universes. So I'm just like, oh, what, wait, what?

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<v Speaker 4>Why is she said for? Oh, we're sisters? Said, Oh, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that is a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's hoping they never bring her back, because the

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<v Speaker 3>permanence of her death seems to actually echo in the MCU.

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<v Speaker 3>We all know Captain America Steve Brod is on his

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<v Speaker 3>way back at some point.

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<v Speaker 4>You mean that old guy, the ninety year old guy. Nope,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't Joe, but Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially that guy's currently on the moon.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll wait, will you wait and see?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope to god they don't bring him back. But okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you know what, at this point, we do

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<v Speaker 2>get Robert Donney Junior next year, and that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>spoiler that's literally something that everybody knows. Like we've known

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<v Speaker 2>that now for what almost a year. It's been almost

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<v Speaker 2>a year since they announced that Robert Downey Junior was

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<v Speaker 2>stepping in his doctor Doom. I guess I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>surprised if Captain America was still kicking it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so, I was unfamiliar with the Thunderbolts concept. I

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's father Malonda and I are sitting here smirking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because you were right in that assessment. That is

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right, all right? Is he like their team

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<v Speaker 4>or something? Does is he? Yes? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>And Red Hulk is part of the team on occasion.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so he's he's like both the Amanda Waller and

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<v Speaker 2>And mind you, this is like nineteen ninety seven, Marvel.

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<v Speaker 4>They filed for chapter eleven I think in nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is like the Hail Mary time, Like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is Marvel swinging hard. I remember starting to read comic

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<v Speaker 2>reading stuff like Ultimate Spider Man and the Ultimate Stuff

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<v Speaker 4>And some of it is and some of it is

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<v Speaker 4>absolute to me, absolutely absolutely dogshit, Like the The X

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but Spider but Ultimate Spider Man. Yeah, but Ultimate

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<v Speaker 3>That's Ultimate sCOD It's Ultimate Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would disagree Ultimate Fantastic four. But that's only

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<v Speaker 2>because that's only because we get the Maker out of

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<v Speaker 2>all that. And the Maker is the best villain in

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<v Speaker 2>which is like horrifying. What if the world's smartest man

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<v Speaker 2>And his head is so big that it's a cone.

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<v Speaker 2>much from the knowledge. Again, so that's the only other

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting him soon, aren't well? I like, after Doomsday,

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<v Speaker 3>aren't they going.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope. So that's the plan, right, They're gonna do

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, they've been talking about Secret Wars for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 4>They were just like, okay, and it's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the Rain of Kang or whatever they're calling it. Nasty Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wait for the Beyonder.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like father in alone. Are you in the

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<v Speaker 2>camp that this is not worth seeing?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I think it is worth's saying. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a movie that has interesting disparate parts. Okay, and Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>are you in the same thought.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still in my intro. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll go for it. I think we're just too

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<v Speaker 2>excited to talk about it. I mean, that's what happens

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<v Speaker 2>when we talked with He's God damn Marvel movies.

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<v Speaker 4>People in my theater were not as engaged. I had

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of talkers and I had quite a few

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<v Speaker 4>wadded up my popcorn bag and threw it at a

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<v Speaker 4>guy a few rows in front of us because he

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<v Speaker 4>just kept looking at his fucking phone. At least it

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<v Speaker 4>was in dark mode, so that was better than the

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<v Speaker 4>asshole next to me who is flashing his phone as

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<v Speaker 4>he's like looking at it, and it's just like a

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<v Speaker 4>flashlight in my eyes. So that was annoying.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder why movie theaters are going under.

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<v Speaker 2>I said it before and I'll say it again. Why

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<v Speaker 2>did the movie theater expert It's not changed after COVID

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why the twelve of us that were in that theater,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was the only screening today that was not

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<v Speaker 2>Blah got to make their money. Somehow.

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<v Speaker 4>We have this new thing I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 4>guys are familiar with. At least MJR. Is doing this

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<v Speaker 4>thing that is almost like cinerama. They are doing like

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<v Speaker 4>three screen type of thing, and I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how you're doing this. I didn't walk into that

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<v Speaker 4>theater to take a look, but eventually I'll probably see

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<v Speaker 4>something in that. It was an interesting way of going

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<v Speaker 4>about the storytelling, the whole idea of cutting between the

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<v Speaker 4>three stories for quite a while, between the Yolena story,

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<v Speaker 4>the Bucky story, and then yes, the Fontaine and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>dropping the duh, just like Fence from Defense, her character,

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<v Speaker 4>swap her out with Giancarlo Esposito and you've got the

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<v Speaker 4>boys all over again. So especially like her talking with

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<v Speaker 4>Bob and stuff off. And yeah, the Bob character was interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it pretty They pretty much just hand it

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<v Speaker 4>to you what he is, who he is, what's happening

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<v Speaker 4>From the very beginning when Yelena has her first mission

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<v Speaker 4>that we see her on and I will tell you,

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<v Speaker 4>I thought she said that she was going to Oscorp.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was super excited. I was like, yeah, Oscorn, Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>We're from it No OX Group, sorry, no ox Corp.

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<v Speaker 3>May I speak to the Valentina of it all? What

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<v Speaker 3>a total fucking waste of Valentina as a character, considering

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<v Speaker 3>we've they've had, they've been nick furying her throughout, like

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<v Speaker 3>all of the Phase three, Phase four stuff. She's just

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<v Speaker 3>been in the background showing up in grabbing team members,

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<v Speaker 3>catches ken villains at back. It's been so exciting watching

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<v Speaker 3>it happen, Like the fact that this movie begins with

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<v Speaker 3>a scene where none of them have ever worked together.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all just separate ascent. She's gathered them all, making

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<v Speaker 3>them all each other's own target, to get them all

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<v Speaker 3>into one room so that she can incinerate them. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's at a facility where she doesn't actually know what's

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't make any sense why this movie didn't just begin

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<v Speaker 2>with them as a team doing a mission to go

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<v Speaker 2>take out this guy Bob for her.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have saved so much time and allowed so

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<v Speaker 3>much more of this The other part of the story,

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<v Speaker 3>the part that you're talking about, Mike, where we get

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<v Speaker 3>backstory on each of our therapiters through these flashbacks and

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<v Speaker 3>these mystical flashbacks. But Bob can the sentry can bring

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<v Speaker 3>you into this nether world.

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<v Speaker 2>He said the word, He said the word. It's Spoiler's time.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Red Hulk at Harrison Ford. It really is.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything in this movie was spoiled. Every fucking good scene

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<v Speaker 3>in this movie was in the trailer. There were zero

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<v Speaker 3>surprises for me in this film Oga great.

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<v Speaker 2>Lingco not making it aft out of the first fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes is obvious. A.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she wasn't in any other shot. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck man, that's what they're doing a task master.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how they're just going to prove that this is

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<v Speaker 3>the serious thing before they said make jokes for the

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<v Speaker 3>next fucking hour and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad I didn't pay attention to any of

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<v Speaker 4>the trailers because I knew nothing about Sentry. I was like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>here's this Bob guy. Of course he's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>this Sentry character. We get the mention of Sentry at

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<v Speaker 4>the Ox Corp stuff, and then we get the oh,

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<v Speaker 4>here's all these character designs basically for him. And as

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<v Speaker 4>soon as they hit that little box or whatever, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, okay, here comes like the Adam Warlock

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<v Speaker 4>of the group. All right, this makes total sense. And

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<v Speaker 4>then when he showed up and he was like I

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<v Speaker 4>don't really remember anything, I was like, okay, so he's

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<v Speaker 4>like Legion then or something, So all right, he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be very powerful. At some point, he's going to

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<v Speaker 4>reveal his powers. He's going to be huge. They just

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<v Speaker 4>calligraphed everything, so not even having seen the trailers, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, okay, but I was surprised that task Master died.

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<v Speaker 4>I was very surprised by that. Though, thank you io

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<v Speaker 4>nine for saying we can't believe how cheap it was

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<v Speaker 4>that this character didn't make it out of the first act.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, Okay, some one of them's gonna die.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when she didn't come out of that room

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<v Speaker 4>that was Incinerator, I was like, okay, oh she I

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<v Speaker 4>guess she's really dead, like I expected her to come

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<v Speaker 4>crawling out of the rubble.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she got shot in the head. She got head

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<v Speaker 2>shot at every point blank range by Wyatt Russell of

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<v Speaker 2>all people. Yeah, it's a bummer, like it's it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the things of this movie that was

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<v Speaker 2>a real problem. And look, they also revealed it when

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<v Speaker 2>they revealed the cast of Doomsday, because Olga Kurilenko was

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<v Speaker 2>also not announced for that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Well they didn't. They didn't announce a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>for that. Chris Hemsworth didn't get nominate, didn't nominated, didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get mentioned for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But to be fair, that's also because the assumption Is

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Doctor strange Is also didn't fit them, Peter park

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Parker didn't And it's a fucking event. Here's the

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<v Speaker 3>thing about Stint three. Yeah, let me say something nice

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<v Speaker 3>about the movie before I dump on it, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably wouldn't gona end up during the entire time. The

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<v Speaker 3>opening scene where we get Elena somewhat suit'side idol like

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<v Speaker 3>leaping off the building. And then in that first mission

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<v Speaker 3>they tackle a fall away fight theme, which we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>dozens of ever since Old Boy. Everyone's going to have

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<v Speaker 3>give us a god point of view, so straight down,

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<v Speaker 3>but it completely lit from only one sign to Pillouette

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<v Speaker 3>and Shadown fighting beneath them and as she went her

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<v Speaker 3>way through them. And it's a great shot. And it

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<v Speaker 3>resonated with me while I was watching it because of

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<v Speaker 3>the fucking trailer, because I know that Century's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be floating in the air and turning people into prrosiuma

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<v Speaker 3>like shadows on the grind.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, they were ruined all that.

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<v Speaker 2>All, yeah, dude, like all of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was shocked when that first person turned to that shadow.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I think I was in in the

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<v Speaker 4>helicopter and then like when the little when the I

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<v Speaker 4>always want to call him Crimson Dynamo, but the David harm.

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<v Speaker 2>Protect her, Red Guardian, Red Guardian.

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<v Speaker 4>When Red Guardian saves that little girl and then she

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<v Speaker 4>but I was like, oh no, this is even more

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<v Speaker 4>horrific like the shadows, and yeah, I totally thought about

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<v Speaker 4>hero Shamount. I was like, oh fuck, this is really bad.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had no idea that was going to be happening.

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<v Speaker 3>That effect is fucking fantastic. I wish it hadn't been

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<v Speaker 3>ruined for me. It doesn't matter, like eventually you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>see the movie and you're gonna see it again and

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<v Speaker 3>whip it's the words, but and it does. It's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the best effects I've seen in a Marvel film

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<v Speaker 3>in a while, and Symprienz up being one of the

425
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<v Speaker 3>filling them along a long genuinely a genuine brand that

426
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<v Speaker 3>doesn't involve it is the world ending, but somehow not

427
00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:41.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it felt more personal. I guess that's

428
00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.759
<v Speaker 3>because they introduced them so early. But again, I don't know.

429
00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.839
<v Speaker 3>The painting's just so fucking clumsie throughout that by the

430
00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.039
<v Speaker 3>end that we spend the most time learning about Bob

431
00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:55.759
<v Speaker 3>slash Sanford. At the end, do you even know anything

432
00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.359
<v Speaker 3>more than what came in with that? A guy who

433
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<v Speaker 3>woke up. We find out that he wanted to be powerful,

434
00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.079
<v Speaker 3>the subjected himself to the thing, and now he and

435
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:05.759
<v Speaker 3>his dad beat him and he did mess.

436
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.279
<v Speaker 2>So he's the first. He's the first meth powered superhero,

437
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.440
<v Speaker 2>which is Marvel's got tackle for which is nice.

438
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.759
<v Speaker 3>That's fine, and it wanks sense with these thunderbolts again,

439
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.119
<v Speaker 3>are terrible people run with the terrible.

440
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Please Marvel, just commit This is the problem.

441
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:21.440
<v Speaker 8>This is the way.

442
00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad they fucking canceled Blade. Don't do Blade unless

443
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.319
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna make it a horde. Don't do the dark

444
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.519
<v Speaker 3>Side of Marvel unless you're going to commit to it.

445
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Because what we're going to get into the hybrid thing

446
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.920
<v Speaker 3>where we built were half giving us. But they know

447
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.480
<v Speaker 3>that people that had worked in the pand and half

448
00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:42.519
<v Speaker 3>giving us, and it's hampted something to the feeling like no,

449
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:44.200
<v Speaker 3>I really am.

450
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.839
<v Speaker 2>Sick and fucking tired of in these movies the things

451
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that happen not having any sort of stakes because everything

452
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:54.640
<v Speaker 2>has been walked back, and to the fact that to

453
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:58.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking that Scarlett Johansson might come back is a is

454
00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.480
<v Speaker 2>a possibility is I think very telling of where we

455
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 2>are with the MCU, honestly in a lot of ways,

456
00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:07.200
<v Speaker 2>because that's like one of the deaths in the MCU

457
00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.160
<v Speaker 2>that again, in my mind, you can't walk that one back.

458
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 2>But yet it feels like with what we're about to

459
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 2>get next year and the year after, it is going

460
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to be one of the most just like masturbatory multi

461
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.680
<v Speaker 2>versus bullshit of all time, which is fine if they

462
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>do it and then we never see it again, great,

463
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 2>But there have been no stakes in the MCU since Endgame,

464
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and that was like almost a decade ago. It makes

465
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.839
<v Speaker 2>me want to die that that Endgame came out almost

466
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a decade ago. It's been like a really long time, right,

467
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 2>There's no stakes in the MCU anymore. None, zero, And

468
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 2>that's because of the multi versus stuff, because now you

469
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 2>can have eight different Spider Man and again Spider Man

470
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 2>or the Spider Verse did it right. It did it right.

471
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>It can It's contained within itself, which is fine, Like

472
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Spider into the Spider Verse is self contained. Like, I

473
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think we're gonna see that version of Miles Morales

474
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 2>in Doomsday, but fuck me, that probably is now going

475
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to happen just because I mentioned it, because they have

476
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the ability to do it. There's nothing stopping them other

477
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.960
<v Speaker 2>than a cartoon character dancing around on screen with live

478
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 2>action people, which would be weird even for the MCU,

479
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>because I'm assuming that the agent was a Captain Britain

480
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>that we saw in Doctor Strange. That's not the one

481
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.759
<v Speaker 2>from what If? Right, that's another.

482
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:32.359
<v Speaker 3>One that's not Captain Britain at all.

483
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the one in what If is then.

484
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 4>The agent Carter?

485
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah okay, but those there are two different characters in

486
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the MCU, right, yeah, okay, so there's a cartoon version

487
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>of that character running around that's not going to show

488
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>up in Doomsday. I wouldn't think there's no mistakes anymore.

489
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just a frustrating thing that Marvel can't seem to

490
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:55.279
<v Speaker 2>do anymore, is make any of this stick.

491
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 4>They said. They were saying that, like the whole Strange

492
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 4>Supreme character is not the same one that we saw

493
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.039
<v Speaker 4>in Doctor Strange. Multiverse of madness, and I'm just like, no,

494
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 4>it makes total sense. That's the same character. Why are

495
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 4>you doing that? Go ahead, tie in what if? I'm

496
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.200
<v Speaker 4>really okay with that, Like most people have watched it,

497
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 4>and if they haven't, it's really okay. It's not that necessary.

498
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.160
<v Speaker 4>And that's the thing too, with a lot of these characters.

499
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.519
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, it's not really even necessary that I watched

500
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 4>The Falcon and Winter Soldier, Like I knew that John

501
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Walker was a piece of shit, but I watched that show.

502
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.519
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they do okay with him showing up in

503
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 4>here with the whole I'm watching the baby thing, But

504
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 4>he gets redeemed way too quickly because the guy's a

505
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 4>fucking psycho and really should not have that.

506
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.799
<v Speaker 2>He's a psycho in one scene that's it, Yeah.

507
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, but he shouldn't have instantaneous forgiveness. Which scene is

508
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 4>the a psycho?

509
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Just the one at the beginning of the movie where

510
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it's all of them in the incinerator room. The rest

511
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.079
<v Speaker 2>of it's just like laughing and joking. That's your whole

512
00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 2>thesis on this movie, isn't it?

513
00:26:59.440 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 5>Father Blah.

514
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>The disparate tones of the movie are there's one movie

515
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 2>and then there's another movie. Pretty much two thirds of

516
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the movie is another movie. Up Into

517
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the Incinerator is a serious movie, I would say, up

518
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>unto a point until they escape there and then everything

519
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 2>else has become like very jokey.

520
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really jokey from the outset, and I

521
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 3>think that's the fucking problem.

522
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:23.079
<v Speaker 4>Talking to the guy that she has tied up and stuff,

523
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 4>and like, oh I needed that face.

524
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 3>And then they go to fucking Valentina, like and the

525
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Senate and that's jokey too, and they'd be Bucky and

526
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 3>that's jokey too. And by the way, after how many

527
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 3>seasons of VP with with Julie Louis Dreyfus playing effectively

528
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 3>the same sequences of like her on Capitol Hill being

529
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 3>grilled by senators and stuff, all that did putting those

530
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 3>scenes in and having this whole impeachment fucking subplot was

531
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 3>made me think about VEEP and how fucking spectacular the

532
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 3>dialogue and how leadnit here it is.

533
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 4>Here.

534
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Were they expecting that, because these are like comedic people,

535
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 3>like comedic actors, that they were gonna live in the

536
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 3>script because they did it?

537
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I have to assume so because that's the

538
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 2>way it came off for me as well. Why else

539
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 2>cast Julia Louis Dreyfuss in this role.

540
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing I when they first cast her, I

541
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.039
<v Speaker 3>was like, really, they're going with her? And then she

542
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 3>wasn't really So far when we've seen her, she hasn't

543
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 3>been playing funny. She's been playing rather sinister, and that

544
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 3>was exciting to me. We get a bit of that

545
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 3>here and there throughout this, but really it's just another

546
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 3>misguided attempt at humor, Like everyone is just trying to

547
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 3>be a jokester, and it's inappropriate given all of the

548
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.759
<v Speaker 3>fucking seriousness that we're talking about, because there's a lot

549
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 3>to be mined out of these people.

550
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>The thing that really makes me laugh about this movie

551
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.279
<v Speaker 2>is it also reminds me the most of a twenty

552
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 2>four Marvel movie, because the century is mental health, just

553
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>like in The Witch is what's about feminism? That movie's

554
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of about feminism and the way women are treated.

555
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Like you got all that movie XS wive, Yeah, I agree,

556
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>x's y movies. I don't understand why they had to

557
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>must the tone. I don't get it.

558
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Halfway through this movie is when they all should have

559
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>gotten sucked into his brain and then they because once

560
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 3>that happens, like ten minutes before the fucking movie ends,

561
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.160
<v Speaker 3>it comes to life.

562
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 4>Man, that whole thing of them going to his brain.

563
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 4>I was like, the movies over already like this. I'm like, yeah,

564
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 4>they should have been a whole thing after that, and yeah,

565
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 4>they should have happened way quicker. Yeah, the pacing in

566
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 4>this movie is very strange, and I was hoping, Now

567
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.039
<v Speaker 4>this is gonna sound a little trite, but I was

568
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 4>actually hoping that they would have learned, like, yes, they

569
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 4>all lock arms and they walk up that tube and

570
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 4>everything at the beginning, and it ultimately almost fails kind

571
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 4>of thing. I was hoping, like, just to get out

572
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.920
<v Speaker 4>of that room, and they do this a little bit

573
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.480
<v Speaker 4>with the whole like knocking out the power thing and

574
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 4>then ghosts going through the door and all that. But

575
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.359
<v Speaker 4>I was really hoping like each person would have something

576
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 4>to add to the situation in order to make them

577
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 4>realize we work better as a team than as a

578
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 4>bunch of individuals and.

579
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Getting the group together stuff.

580
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly. And Bob is the only one where you're

581
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.880
<v Speaker 4>just like, this guy's useless. He's like the what's that

582
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 4>guy's name Evan from the Deadpool movies, the guy with

583
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 4>the mustache. It just shows up here and there.

584
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 2>The fucking cab driver a Deadpool mo hinder. I can't Yeah, yeah,

585
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping for more of that. And then even

586
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>at towards as the movie's going, it is until the

587
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>It isn't until the moment where they lift up that

588
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:40.359
<v Speaker 2>big stone slab that they all finally worked together, and I.

589
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 4>Was like, oh, okay, that's a little cheap for me,

590
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 4>where I'm just like all right, like they they're all saying, it.

591
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Felt very early two thousands, right, that felt like a

592
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Fantastic four moment.

593
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 4>So like X Men when they're fighting in New York,

594
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, is that the same bridge that Captain

595
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 4>America like ye did Tasha onto one of the Chatari vehicles?

596
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Is this the same we're now having our battle of

597
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.079
<v Speaker 4>New York? Is this basically this is before they become

598
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 4>the new Avengers at the end of the film, And

599
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 4>I was just like, okay, so are these guys basically

600
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 4>like is this the twenty twenty five version of The Avengers?

601
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 4>And basically everything is darkness and it's all psychological and

602
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 4>when we go inside of the cloud of darkness and

603
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 4>inside of his brain. This is where we're at with

604
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.519
<v Speaker 4>our country, with our mental health, is that we were

605
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 4>just engulfed in darkness and have to find a way

606
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 4>out of the darkness through friendship. I don't know. It

607
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 4>sounds again, sounds like a Hallmark card or something, but

608
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 4>that was very trite.

609
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 5>Mike.

610
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was okay with it, totally with that. If

611
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 3>they fucking made that the whole movie, they should have.

612
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 3>If they had, if the movie had a point of view,

613
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 3>it could have worked like Gangbusters.

614
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 2>They didn't commit to the bit. You got to commit

615
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 2>to the bit you made whereof by midnight? Motherfuckers? You

616
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>did it in black and white. Again. I know, father Malone,

617
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>there were issues with it. I know. Thumbs down, he says, nay, nay,

618
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what the horse you say. But it's better than

619
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 2>this because they allowed him to commit to more of

620
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a horror vibe than they let this movie commit to.

621
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Essentially a horror movie vibe. Could have been a horror movie.

622
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 2>He's pretty horrifying. If he turns you into a horosima shadow,

623
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 2>that's horror fying. This movie should have been half Winter Soldier,

624
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>half fucking nightmare fuel. I don't understand why they can't

625
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 2>just go we're making a genre film within a genre, Like,

626
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 2>why is this so hard? Marvel? What is the problem here?

627
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it.

628
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't get the subplot in this and the Hulk movie,

629
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.119
<v Speaker 4>the Captain American movie. The whole movie features the Hulk prominently.

630
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't get this whole thing a Bucky being a

631
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 4>senator and they even say at one point, they're like,

632
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 4>that's it, You're through, no full term senator for you.

633
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 4>I think Valentina says that, and I'm just like, so

634
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 4>are we done with that subplot of him being a senator?

635
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.039
<v Speaker 4>How the fuck did that even start? Was that? And

636
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 4>Falcon and Winter Soldier? And I just completely blotted it out.

637
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>It's how they get Sam Wilson to be Captain American?

638
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, But who cares have him just go off

639
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 3>and be Bucky somewhere?

640
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean?

641
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>This is a guy who, like, why did he have

642
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 3>to startingly jump into service? The man's been frozen for

643
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.559
<v Speaker 3>fucking ninety years and forced to kill his friends.

644
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 4>I was really shocked that we didn't get more of

645
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 4>their flashbacks. Show me more that everybody is hurting, Like

646
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:29.440
<v Speaker 4>I understand that. We see the Yelena stuff a few times,

647
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.000
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, okay, okay, got it. We see a

648
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 4>little bit of the John Walker stuff, all right, all right,

649
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 4>I got it. But as Natasha would say, Bucky's got

650
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of red in his ledger, and like all

651
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.799
<v Speaker 4>of these people basically have read in their ledger, and

652
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, yeah, show.

653
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Me Bucky killed fucking Iron Man's parents in this MCU,

654
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>in this sacred timeline, as this movie would love to, WHOA,

655
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 2>why can't wait.

656
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 4>The Red Guardian tell me some of the bad shit

657
00:33:58.039 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 4>that the Soviets made this guy do.

658
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 3>This movie should have been so fucking sinister. It should

659
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.480
<v Speaker 3>have been like you should have been like paralyzed by

660
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 3>the end, like you know what, the twight ending you're

661
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 3>describing would have worked like a fucking Spielberg movie if

662
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 3>we had waded through all of these people's terrible psyches,

663
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 3>remembering all the horrible shit they've done.

664
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Even like with ghosts. It's to be honest, it's been

665
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 4>a long time since the ant Man Wasp movie, long

666
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 4>enough that I have pretty much forgotten it. Other than that,

667
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 4>Walton Doggins is in it, so oh yeah, feel free

668
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 4>to refresh me on her please.

669
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>She has she's in a suit that essentially she like

670
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>is constantly dematerializing, and she's Laurence Fishburn's daughter or like

671
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>surrogate daughter I think.

672
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 4>And she's in a tremendous amount of pain well all

673
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 4>the time. Then they had to go into the quantum realm.

674
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, she's quantum phasing at all times. The suit helps

675
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.960
<v Speaker 3>focus her and keep her an hour around, but then

676
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 3>she can phase in and out based on that.

677
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 4>And you know what, I would have been okay with

678
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 4>the flashback of some sort to just connect me with

679
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 4>that character, because I think, again, she could have been

680
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 4>a delightful character, but I got nothing from her.

681
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>And that's one of those characters where she is so

682
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.639
<v Speaker 3>fucking powerful that it boggles the mind. Like a fight

683
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.719
<v Speaker 3>scene with her and any regular human is over in

684
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 3>two seconds. She can just phase out and phase inside

685
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>you and pull out your heart like it's done. Like

686
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 3>even when she goes up against Sentry by the end,

687
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this could be really interesting if they actually

688
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 3>thought it through instead of just this magic trick of

689
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.039
<v Speaker 3>her appearing and disappearing.

690
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 2>But they always do the other thing too with her character,

691
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 2>where they had to have a way to explain why

692
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.679
<v Speaker 2>she can't be as powerful as the character actually is,

693
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Which are those like sonic impeed things that like when

694
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>she runs up to him and like shocks her back.

695
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.199
<v Speaker 2>How do they smoke in space? I don't know, invent

696
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>the oxygen smoker thing? If that bullshit? Like how do

697
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>we recap the character immediately by having a magical thing

698
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>that they can't get through? And it's just for that

699
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.559
<v Speaker 2>character because that character? Yeah, exactly, Again, they never explained

700
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 2>why an man couldn't just go into Thanos' asshole and

701
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.519
<v Speaker 2>expand and kill him. Again, the Internet asked the question.

702
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.639
<v Speaker 2>They never explained it, and this is essentially the same thing,

703
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>like she could just go when you're dead, like literally,

704
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Why doesn't Marvel.

705
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.159
<v Speaker 3>Employ a serious nerd to read the scripts and ask

706
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.960
<v Speaker 3>these questions and then they can decide whether or not

707
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 3>is this serious enough for us to answer? But sometimes,

708
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 3>like with ghosts in her powers, should in Valentina have

709
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 3>some sort of thing to back her up. There's a

710
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 3>moment where she's controlling Centric is wait, why do I

711
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 3>have to listen to you? And I'm like, yeah, dummy,

712
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 3>why does he have to listen to you. You've got

713
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 3>nothing on him.

714
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 4>Century He's an interesting character. I can't say that I'm

715
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.880
<v Speaker 4>familiar with Lewis Pullman other than being Bill's son. He

716
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.559
<v Speaker 4>reminds me a lot of Jake Webber. Do you guys

717
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 4>remember Jake Webber.

718
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 3>I think he's in more interesting Jake Webber.

719
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I like Lewis Pullman a lot. Actually, I see a

720
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of his dad and his performance, and he had

721
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 2>he plays sad sack really well, which for me, like

722
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Bill Pullman's always had a little like sad sack edge

723
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:07.880
<v Speaker 2>to him with those like puppy dog guys.

724
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh, especially young Bill Pullman.

725
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Pullman has those puppy dog guys with Pullman's a

726
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 2>good looking guy too. Put a cowboy hat on him

727
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and he could be convincingly old Western cowboy too, just

728
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>because there was what there was a Bill Pullman like

729
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 2>cowboy movie that came out a couple of years ago.

730
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, he was on that show with Josh Brolin.

731
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 11>He was.

732
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was a cowboy and then he was great

733
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 4>at that Yeah.

734
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I I think honestly, it's probably just

735
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 2>they underutilized him because that scene between him and Julia

736
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Louis Dreyfuss is pretty scary. I don't really need to

737
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 2>listen to you like at all. That is, Yeah, it's

738
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:46.199
<v Speaker 2>pretty scary. Again, he's Superman. What what What the movie

739
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 2>doesn't do is it doesn't make it clear how he's not.

740
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel like he's enough of a threat because

741
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>these guys, these guys kill him.

742
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Me, then my opinion aways, well, no, he kills himself.

743
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 3>That's fine. Like the resolution in the film's okay by me.

744
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 3>If you're going to figure out a way to defeat Superman,

745
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.559
<v Speaker 3>the best way is to have defeat Superman defeat himself.

746
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 4>So I actually thought that was clever. But for me,

747
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 4>he's not Superman. He's Homelander. Homelander is one of the

748
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 4>scariest superheroes slash super villains ever for me anyway, like

749
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 4>watching the Boys and there's just there's nothing that can

750
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 4>stop them. They've been trying for three seasons now and

751
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 4>they haven't done anything, and then just the whole like

752
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 4>jingoistic thing, like I was actually hoping that maybe we

753
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 4>would see more of Century before he realizes I don't

754
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 4>have to listen to you if that again, just felt

755
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 4>very rushed. Okay, here's the revelation of him in the costume.

756
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 4>All the people are there, they attack them. That doesn't work.

757
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 4>And then immediately into that, why should I listen to

758
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.239
<v Speaker 4>you at all? I'm a god? Oh you're isn't that

759
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 4>g where you said I'm more powerful of the Avengers?

760
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.400
<v Speaker 4>They have a god here I am, and that they're

761
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 4>having that discussion in that same room where Robert Downey

762
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 4>Junior famously gives his whole like and we have a

763
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 4>hulk like that whole thing in the Avengers, the original Avengers.

764
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 4>Throw me a bone here, Give me something, give me

765
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 4>the exact same angle or something, or even give me

766
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 4>somebody who tries to come up on Sentry and try

767
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 4>to call him a puny god or something. Give me

768
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of Avengers in there. Because I was

769
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 4>so thrilled just to be back in Avengers Tower.

770
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>There should have been Dark Avengers, not New Avengers.

771
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 4>They're different, They're a whole different.

772
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Things, I know, But that's my point. If you had

773
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>gone the direction that we're talking about with this movie,

774
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you could have gotten away with calling this dark Avengers,

775
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 2>is my point, as opposed to New Avengers, which the

776
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>tone does not match this movie at all, because to

777
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Mike's point, just now, why set this in Avengers Tower?

778
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.159
<v Speaker 2>If you're not gonna do any of those things. It's

779
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 2>been such a long time since the original Avengers came out,

780
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 2>since a movie with the title just Avengers came out

781
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.639
<v Speaker 2>that was like two thousand and f in twelve, Oh,

782
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 2>that's a lull, like twelve eleven, like something like that.

783
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 4>At nineteen was Avengers?

784
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 11>Was it?

785
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 2>When was the original event?

786
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 4>Original?

787
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

788
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 2>When did the original? Because that's what this movie twelve? Yeah,

789
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 2>it's been a long time since the original Avengers, and

790
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 2>if this is the movie that is trying to ape

791
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that movie with a climax similar and the threat similar

792
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.039
<v Speaker 2>and having a team, I don't understand that go further.

793
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.880
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? What's stopping you? You literally set the

794
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>movie an Avengers Tower. Why fucking waste? I just mind

795
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>boggling some of the decisions that were made. And it's

796
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>like you go all the way up to the edge

797
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and then you just don't commit to the bit you

798
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.039
<v Speaker 2>have an asterisk in the title. I don't even get it,

799
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>like you did the fucking time you ever went all

800
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the way with the title too, all the way to

801
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the end of the movie. We don't see it until

802
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the end of the goddamn movie.

803
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 4>And they didn't make that very clear at all. That

804
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 4>asterisk was supposed to be, like, no, it's the New

805
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Avengers or I guess. On the poster it says the

806
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Avengers were not available, So am I all right? But yeah,

807
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:01.760
<v Speaker 4>what the fuck man?

808
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>I have no problem with an asterisk, and then them

809
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 3>filling the title and later it's just spent. To everyone's

810
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.119
<v Speaker 3>point here, this movie begins one hour into it. If

811
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 3>everything had started with them on their first mission in

812
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 3>the first twenty minutes finding this guy Bob, and then

813
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Bob in the twenty minute mark is hey, guys, guess what,

814
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually fucking Sentry and here we go, then we

815
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 3>would have had time for all of this, including a

816
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 3>recreation of the Battle of New York with the New

817
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Avengers and how they have to deal with it. It

818
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.599
<v Speaker 3>could have been fucking great. And you know what, at

819
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 3>one point, Valentina is pouring a fucking drink, just like

820
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 3>Tony Stark was doing. But what's great is he's gonna

821
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 3>be the mightiest heroes you guys.

822
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.519
<v Speaker 4>Blah blah blah.

823
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't care and I was like, that was the

824
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 3>time to recreate the shot from Avengers. But like her

825
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.079
<v Speaker 3>insistance that she doesn't actually give a shit about any

826
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 3>of this.

827
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>We have Robert Downey Junior coming back. We all know

828
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>this if anyone has seen anything, So like, why not

829
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>start skewing the angle of the original Avengers because I'm

830
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>just going out on a limb here and going to

831
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:06.800
<v Speaker 2>assume that whatever Doctor Doom is going to have some

832
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>reflection of Tony Start baked.

833
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 4>From them saying that the Fantastic Four ship at the

834
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 4>end is an interdimensional thing. I'm like, okay, so does

835
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.400
<v Speaker 4>that mean now that so Doctor Doom is probably an

836
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 4>interdimensional thing. He's probably following them from that dimension. I'm

837
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 4>wondering if they were coming from that dimension because maybe

838
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Galactus actually wins at the end of the Fantastic Four.

839
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, one thousand percent.

840
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 2>They failed the movie?

841
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:37.599
<v Speaker 4>Is it?

842
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 2>They lose in the end, that's all the movie is.

843
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.159
<v Speaker 3>They've Galactus wins, a Silver Surfer dies, That's what's going

844
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 3>to happen.

845
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they spoiled the movie already. I hate it so much.

846
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>It makes me so upsetent because you should have released

847
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 2>the Fantastic for a movie before this goddamn movie, because

848
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you have spoiled the movie and whatever Robert Downey Junior is,

849
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>however he found into all of this if he's Tony

850
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Stark from their universe, which is probably what it's going

851
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>to be, which is I guar guess they're gonna have

852
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>a hard time not spoiling it. And whatever the last

853
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 2>trailer is that comes out for the Fantastic Four movie,

854
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna have a hard time not spoiling whatever Robert

855
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Downey Junr. Is doing in the post credit scene. But

856
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I really am bummed out by the way that they

857
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>did the Fantastic Four thing in this movie, because it

858
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 2>is so ham fisted, like in a way that makes

859
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>me wish for the days of Sam Jackson just being

860
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>like I'm putting together a team and that.

861
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.880
<v Speaker 4>End credit sequence for Iron Man and for a lot

862
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 4>of those very quick this credit end credit scene he

863
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 4>goes on for an hour and a half. Oh my god, well,

864
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Sam Wilson, he's trying to form the Avengers, what are

865
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 4>we gonna do? Oh this whole copyright, Oh look at

866
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 4>this outfit.

867
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 2>And check in with Bob again.

868
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 4>By the the only thing I really liked about it

869
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:01.599
<v Speaker 4>was Bucky kind of giving her some advice as far as, hey,

870
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 4>you're you're gonna need to call for this and you

871
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 4>should ask for this thing from the computer and stuff.

872
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Oh, okay, that's nice, because for as

873
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 4>much as he's in this movie, I feel like Bucky

874
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 4>gets short shrift. I feel like a lot of people

875
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 4>give short shrift. It's not that there's too many characters,

876
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 4>it's a good amount. There's the same, if not fewer

877
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 4>characters than there are in The Avengers. But I sure

878
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 4>get a lot more feel for those Avengers. And you

879
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 4>talking about how them fighting and everything, I'm just like,

880
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, just like the Avengers are fighting at the

881
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.159
<v Speaker 4>beginning of The Avengers and that whole wasted fight of

882
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 4>Captain America and Iron Man and Thor going at it

883
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of thing, and just they don't like each other.

884
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.599
<v Speaker 4>They can't work as a team. It takes that sacrifice

885
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:53.199
<v Speaker 4>of Phil Coulson, or basically his sacrifice slash the lie

886
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.639
<v Speaker 4>of the Collector's cards and stuff, in order to bring

887
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 4>them together. And it's lo KEI is the one who's

888
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 4>basically pulling the strings and seating this descent and everything.

889
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Maybe Elena the Valentina character could have been doing that,

890
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:10.239
<v Speaker 4>but no she's not.

891
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. They ultimately make her character completely fucking

892
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 3>powerless in this thing where she doesn't know about Bob.

893
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 3>She sends all of these She sends all of this

894
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 3>team of fucking badass assassins in to kill each other,

895
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 3>not even considering that they might decide that they want

896
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 3>to live more than that, and that they would come

897
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 3>and get her, Like she shows up with a whole

898
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 3>other Like why once they figure out that they've turned

899
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 3>against her, can't she just nuke that fucking facility that

900
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:39.559
<v Speaker 3>they're in.

901
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 4>Why do they show up with a team of people?

902
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 3>If she just bumbles her way through the movie, She's

903
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 3>like the anti Nick Fury, and I thought she was

904
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.760
<v Speaker 3>going to be the even more efficient Nick Fury. Like

905
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 3>as slippery as Nick Fury's moral compass can be, Valentina

906
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 3>has none. She's the head of the fucking serpent society.

907
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 3>At some point she's.

908
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 2>She revels in it, and the movie makes note of it,

909
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't go far enough. It's this weird. I

910
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>just don't with all of these fuck ups, what's and

911
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>what is ultimately what tone does that serve? By not

912
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 2>having villain. That's actually a serent cause again, like they

913
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>take it almost all the way with Bob and then

914
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>they walk it back.

915
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:18.719
<v Speaker 4>Right at the end.

916
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. Is it because they don't think.

917
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.239
<v Speaker 3>That the this is a movie in search of a plot.

918
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 3>It has no story at all going on here.

919
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>It's do they not think that the audience can take

920
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>a serious movie? I don't understand. Like Endgame, Tony Stark

921
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>died an Endgame, like Iron Man died, and people and

922
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:39.679
<v Speaker 2>they're not walking that back. I hope they're walking. I

923
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>mean they are walking it back sort of. If you

924
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 2>want to say, in as much as recasting Robert Downey

925
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Junior in your franchise as a different character who's essentially

926
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the inverse of the character you already played as a

927
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 2>cop out, which it is. But at the same time,

928
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>if anybody's gonna do it, and the prices are down

929
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.159
<v Speaker 2>because times are hard and you need something to move

930
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the needle, did that moved the needle. It did even

931
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>if none of us liked it, even if none of

932
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>us agreed with it, It moved the needle for some people.

933
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 2>It got some people eminently reinterested into all of this

934
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>because people, because Robert Downey Junior is a name that

935
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.320
<v Speaker 2>matters to people.

936
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 4>I had a fun time at the movies today seeing it,

937
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.360
<v Speaker 4>and the last thing that I saw at the movies

938
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 4>was fucking Captain America for and it's there's just been

939
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:28.960
<v Speaker 4>nothing interesting me between the last Marvel movie in this

940
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Marvel movie. And I'm sure listeners will be like, what

941
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:34.599
<v Speaker 4>the fuck, there's so many great things, but get my

942
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 4>ass off of the couch and into the movie theater. Yeah.

943
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 4>Most of the time, I'm just like, Noah, waitfore Mickey seventeen.

944
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 4>I was getting ready to watch that, and then it's oh, yeah,

945
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.880
<v Speaker 4>this is gonna be out streaming within four days. I'm like, oh, okay,

946
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 4>I guess I'll hold off.

947
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not that you don't watch new stuff, Mike, it's

948
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 2>that you don't go to the theaters to watch new stuff.

949
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>That's more the point. I don't even understand why anyone

950
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 2>could take issue with that. Have you been to see

951
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 2>a fucking movie I saw on a boat for free?

952
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I can't in good conscience be like, go see this movie,

953
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 2>because again I'm not advocating someone go and drop like

954
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars for a ticket, which is what it feels

955
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 2>like in this day and age to go see a

956
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 2>goddamn movie in a shitty experience with a shitty audience,

957
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>people mostly on their phone.

958
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't invite everyone to go spend their money on Sinners,

959
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.679
<v Speaker 3>which is still in theaters and still at the number

960
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 3>one at the box office.

961
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 4>Go see that fucking movie, which I.

962
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Would like to which I would like to say as well, yeah, yeah.

963
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 4>And that one you want the theatrical experience, because I've

964
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.079
<v Speaker 4>watched that little Ryan Kugler video where he's just hey, man,

965
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 4>I shot this in this format and you can see

966
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 4>it here and you can see it that I'm like, yes, please,

967
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 4>that sounds great, and I'm hearing nothing but great things

968
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.440
<v Speaker 4>about it. And again I'm just like, all right, and

969
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 4>why haven't I gone to see that yet? And I

970
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 4>don't know why. I have no good excuse.

971
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 2>And Ryan Kugler is a director that Marvel has worked

972
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 2>with and have me capped constantly by not allowing him

973
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>to do movies like Sinners, which I like. Father Malonis

974
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Speaker 2>has said I've heard nothing but good things.

975
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.599
<v Speaker 3>About well, Black Panther was good and the first one was,

976
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, second.

977
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 4>Believe me.

978
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Wakanda Forever is a fucking great movie. Considering what he

979
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 3>had to do in the wake of all of that

980
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.519
<v Speaker 3>with a deadline and then pushing him and trying to

981
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 3>make him put all these new characters in shit like

982
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 3>that was a herculean effort. The fact that movie is

983
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 3>watchable at all is a fucking triumph. So I don't

984
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 3>know if it is watchable, it's barely. They didn't let

985
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Ryan Coogler make the movie he wanted to. He had

986
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 3>to essentially make what felt like Age of Old Trade. Yeah,

987
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 3>but like what movie did he want to make. He

988
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 3>wanted to make a movie with fucking with Chadwick Boseman

989
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 3>as Black Panthers. That's not Marvel's fault, Like they should

990
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 3>have taken a few years off and let him like

991
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 3>consider his feelings and written a new Black Panther movie.

992
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's just putting it into the pipeline and jamming

993
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 3>it out there, because that one should have been more special.

994
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I know, because again we're just having a broad Marvel conversation.

995
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.039
<v Speaker 2>I go back to Captain America Joe Johnston, who directed

996
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 2>The Rocketeer, one of my favorite movies, Like, I'm always

997
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 2>disappointed that movie isn't more like The Rocketeer than it is,

998
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.039
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't have that tone and that fun tone

999
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>because it feels like, again, it was serving corporate masters

1000
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>in a way. And that's fine, but like Marvel has

1001
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.360
<v Speaker 2>never been able to get out of their own.

1002
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Way, it shouldn't be you know what, I don't think

1003
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Captain America should be anything like The Rocketeer. I think

1004
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Captain America should be like Captain America. I think Joe

1005
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Johnson hit the tone correctly. I think that script failed him.

1006
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I think we didn't get enough of Captain America being

1007
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Captain America for a long stretch of the movie because

1008
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 3>they were worried about runtime. They are no longer worried

1009
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 3>about runtime. I wish they had. I wish they had

1010
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.599
<v Speaker 3>the thunderbolts, fucking asterisk ethos on Captain America First Avenger.

1011
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 3>But it's not because that movie is often anyway. It's

1012
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 3>just that it's hamstrung a little bit by that script.

1013
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 4>Again, I was really waiting for when Century goes against

1014
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 4>Bucky and has beaten the shit out of him and

1015
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 4>Bucky gets up and goes at him again. I was

1016
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 4>really waiting. I was waiting for him to say I

1017
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 4>could do this all day. I was like, please throw

1018
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.800
<v Speaker 4>me thiss opportunity again.

1019
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Why call this New Avengers if you're not going to

1020
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>take those chance, those opportunities that you're setting yourself up for.

1021
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 4>It didn't They called it Thunderbolts.

1022
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 12>The secret is out, Marvel Studios is the New Avengers

1023
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.800
<v Speaker 12>is now playing in theaters. Wow, not even five days

1024
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 12>and Marvel's straight up got seeing the mean behind the

1025
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 12>asterisk for the Thunderbolt's name, the thing that they have

1026
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.239
<v Speaker 12>been hyping up for a year as a way to

1027
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.119
<v Speaker 12>lure us Pokemon masters to this poke stop. However, there

1028
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.199
<v Speaker 12>is some discourse on the internet right now that is

1029
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 12>talking about whether or not this is a big deal,

1030
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 12>like is it a spoiler?

1031
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Does it ruin the movie or does it not?

1032
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:34.119
<v Speaker 2>And in my opinion, it depends.

1033
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 4>On who you are. Instead, they're making references to Ubers

1034
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 4>and stuff, and I'm like, this is gonna get so aged.

1035
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>But wait a second, are is this going to come

1036
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>out as New Avengers when it comes out on some

1037
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 2>sort of physical media.

1038
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:47.760
<v Speaker 4>No, okay, so it's.

1039
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So why even call this New Avengers?

1040
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 4>Then they didn't.

1041
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.000
<v Speaker 2>It's literally was in the movie at the end of the.

1042
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Movie, right, Yes, just the thought.

1043
00:51:57.559 --> 00:51:59.599
<v Speaker 2>It's just the thing. Okay, so it's just the thing. Great,

1044
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:00.280
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm saying.

1045
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 3>If this had been a fucking like a special on

1046
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 3>Disney Plus that I would have been like, oh, this

1047
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.480
<v Speaker 3>is set up for the fucking New Avengers movie.

1048
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm still wondering why my question went over so strange.

1049
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:14.000
<v Speaker 2>They literally are making it clear that they at some

1050
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 2>point might re reference this as the New Avengers.

1051
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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to retitle the movie the New Avengers.

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00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.800
<v Speaker 3>That's ridiculous. Which of their previous titles have they renamed?

1053
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Which of their previous movies have they ever had an

1054
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 2>asterisk next to the title?

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00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 4>That's infallible.

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00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.679
<v Speaker 3>You're right, they're definitely going to retitle the movie down

1057
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 3>the road.

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00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 13>Welcome back everyone, It's Charlie. Marvel just released a New

1059
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.599
<v Speaker 13>Avengers promo and they're officially changing the name of the

1060
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.880
<v Speaker 13>Thunderbolts movie to the New Avengers. It's one of the

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00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 13>first times I can think of them changing a name

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00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 13>for a movie this big in the second week of

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00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:48.239
<v Speaker 13>its release.

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00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 3>They're letting us know in the future they're just going

1065
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 3>to retitle the movie so they can get another fucking.

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00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Physical There going to be a new one? Is there

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00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 2>ever going to be a movie titled New Avengers? Is?

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00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess the better Q question?

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00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 4>Even when Sam puts together his team, it's probably going

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00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 4>to be for the next Avengers film, the Doomsday film.

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00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 3>We'll get Young Avengers before we get a New Avengers.

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00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 4>The thing that bothered me the most about the Wakanda

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00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Forever movie is that it's basically it's a secret iron

1074
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Heart movie. And I would have been much more interested

1075
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:24.880
<v Speaker 4>in just seeing iron Heart than seeing fucking nay More

1076
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 4>and all that shit. Go ahead, save nay More for

1077
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.760
<v Speaker 4>when the Fantastic Four land on our earth. Please but

1078
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 4>keep your name More away from my black panther. And

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00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure that they probably Why do we need secrets

1080
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 4>of move Like? Why do we need a secret Hulk

1081
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 4>movie in a Captain America movie?

1082
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Why did we need a see ye secret iron Heart

1083
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 2>movie in the Wakanda Forever movie. I don't understand why.

1084
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Hulk because they don't have the rights and they have

1085
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.119
<v Speaker 3>to sneak him in, so that one I understand, But yes,

1086
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't understand why they keep piggybacking other characters into

1087
00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 3>what should be a one on one situation.

1088
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 4>Have we seen Rere Williams since well, kind of forever,

1089
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 4>like she just did. Maybe she showed up in the

1090
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 4>last season of What If? I think possibly.

1091
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.280
<v Speaker 3>But we were supposed to get a series, the Iron

1092
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.159
<v Speaker 3>Wars television series, and then they said they were going

1093
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 3>to turn it into a feature film, and now I

1094
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:21.079
<v Speaker 3>don't even know if they're going to do that was

1095
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Iron Armor something.

1096
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.840
<v Speaker 2>This has been a lot of the MCUs like over promising,

1097
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:28.239
<v Speaker 2>under delivered times.

1098
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:33.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the graveyard of shows that are never coming back.

1099
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 4>Today they're like, oh, there's not going to be a

1100
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.760
<v Speaker 4>Hawkeye season two, and I'm like, oh wow, oh Crime

1101
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.199
<v Speaker 4>a River. That first one was so great.

1102
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 2>These Phase like four and five movies are just like

1103
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>the ship that they've announced, the things that have come out,

1104
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the order that they came out in, the orders that

1105
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.119
<v Speaker 2>with the Spider Man and Doctor Strange movie, where that

1106
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.239
<v Speaker 2>order mattered and they did it out of order, and

1107
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that Spider Man movie works because that Spider Man movie

1108
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.840
<v Speaker 2>is good. But I think that's probably like the is

1109
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 2>that not the best movie that's come out in since Endgame?

1110
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.199
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I think that's the most rewatchable definitely, which is

1111
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:11.639
<v Speaker 14>not necessarily great, because that movie has a lot of

1112
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 14>problems too, but it's almost like it has the least

1113
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 14>amount of problems, which is like at this point like

1114
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.880
<v Speaker 14>Damning with faint praise, like it has the least problems

1115
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.719
<v Speaker 14>of Blast Phase four and five movies like great.

1116
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 3>And that movie introduces to the MCU, what is the

1117
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.840
<v Speaker 3>best thing to come out since Endgame, which is current,

1118
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.880
<v Speaker 3>which is this new season of Daredevil, Daredevil Born Again.

1119
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 3>It's fucking awesome, best thing that Marvel has done in forever.

1120
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<v Speaker 4>I never really got into the Daredevil show. You don't

1121
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 4>need to start with Born Again, okay, because yeah, for me,

1122
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I was a big fan of Jessica

1123
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Jones all the others. I was like, yeah, you can

1124
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.960
<v Speaker 4>keep that Blue Cage was okay, but I don't know

1125
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 4>if I ever finished that season. I'm not about to

1126
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 4>watch Iron Fists and then I don't think anybody was

1127
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 4>to be fair Mike Daredevil. For me, I was just like, yeah,

1128
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 4>this is okay, but where's Ben Affleck. Come on? Colin Farrell.

1129
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Colin Farrell is missed as Daredevil as in Daredevil as Bullseye.

1130
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, so good in that, especially when he points

1131
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 4>at his head and he goes.

1132
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Bullseyes kills an old lady with.

1133
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.960
<v Speaker 4>A toothpick him at the end with the paper clip

1134
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:24.239
<v Speaker 4>and the.

1135
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Fly, and he kills the guy next to him on

1136
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 3>an airplane with a peanut that he ricochets off the

1137
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.800
<v Speaker 3>cabin walls. Listen, if they're gonna, if Marvel really needs

1138
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 3>to tie up the whole timeline bullshit, they need to

1139
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.719
<v Speaker 3>give us one fucking thing so we can have steaks

1140
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 3>once again in this series. And if they do, please

1141
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 3>do it correctly and pull in everybody, everybody in the

1142
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 3>Marvel University. Get Colin Farrell in as Bullseye, and get

1143
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 3>fucking January Jones in as Emma Frost and Kevin Bacon,

1144
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.159
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, bring it fucking everybody and

1145
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:56.320
<v Speaker 3>then decimate them all.

1146
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much you guys do of like

1147
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>the more specting as people do with the things and

1148
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the leaks and stuff. But there was a leaked script

1149
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>for Pang Dynasty, and that's essentially what the like that

1150
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.519
<v Speaker 2>movie was. You had like Nick Cage as ghost writer

1151
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and all sorts of lot. Well, yeah, straight up, they

1152
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 2>were going to try to get Nick Cage back as

1153
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>ghostwriter for that movie, just so that they could have

1154
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.079
<v Speaker 2>what essentially Father Malone's talking about, all those characters just

1155
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.119
<v Speaker 2>essentially like to show the threat being a threat. You

1156
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.719
<v Speaker 2>have a group of disparate characters coming together, they get

1157
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 2>fucked out of existence at the end of the movie,

1158
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and then the second movie is just the rest of

1159
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 2>the people coming in to fix the problem from the

1160
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.320
<v Speaker 2>first movie, which I mean, that's probably what we're gonna

1161
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 2>get anyways, because they can't help themselves. But that is

1162
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.000
<v Speaker 2>what Kang Dynasty Bold was going to be. They were

1163
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to get Nick Cage as fucking ghostwriter back. And

1164
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you know what, there is a universe there's a version

1165
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>of this where we did get that where Jonathan Major

1166
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't convicted of section, but I guess physically.

1167
00:57:56.559 --> 00:58:01.760
<v Speaker 4>A different Let's go that timeline just recast to take

1168
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.079
<v Speaker 4>the guy who is the what's his name? The higher

1169
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 4>intelligence from from Guardians If you need a black guy,

1170
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 4>picked that guy because he was fucking amazing and Guardians three,

1171
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:17.800
<v Speaker 4>he was amazing peacekeeper evolutionary, right, Aang is a multi

1172
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 4>dimensional being at this whole thing.

1173
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Baked into the fucking character you dipshits, what sort of

1174
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.840
<v Speaker 2>boso pardon the parlance mickey mouth logic. Is this shit.

1175
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 2>You literally have it baked into the character. You can

1176
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.559
<v Speaker 2>just do you know what again, to go back to

1177
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the inventor of time, time Lord is ass, he just regenerates.

1178
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Fuck off Marvel. Nope, they got cold feat they got

1179
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.199
<v Speaker 2>cold feet. That's all this is. They knew what would

1180
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:50.000
<v Speaker 2>move the needle, and they did it, and instead of

1181
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>committing to something different, they decided to bail out. And again,

1182
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.159
<v Speaker 2>if you watch this movie is a microcosm of a

1183
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.599
<v Speaker 2>bigger mcu problem, which is and then we have a joke,

1184
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's always been the thing that everyone's

1185
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 2>held against Marvel is the tone, like the Joss Whedon effect,

1186
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Like you get the seriousness and then right before it's

1187
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be all the way serious, you have a

1188
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:18.239
<v Speaker 2>jokey bullshit and Marvel can't escape it. Even now, Like

1189
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 2>just the movie itself is like that, Like the movie

1190
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.480
<v Speaker 2>can't get out of the way of a tone that

1191
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 2>could be taking the audience halfway serious. This movie wants

1192
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to be joky because it doesn't think the audience is

1193
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 2>prepared to see characters die. We watch Iron Man die,

1194
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.119
<v Speaker 2>we watch Black Widowed, and Gomora die. We watch those

1195
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.679
<v Speaker 2>characters die and they're dead for good. Some of them.

1196
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 2>We can handle it. Why, Like the people have grown

1197
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 2>up with these movies. There were children that were like

1198
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:44.800
<v Speaker 2>eight years old when these movies came out that are

1199
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:48.320
<v Speaker 2>adults now. Like, I don't get it, just your audience

1200
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

1201
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 3>There is no universe, by the way, where Yolena the

1202
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 3>White Widow is her Her main problem is that she's

1203
00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 3>not loved enough by her surrogate dad, Red Guardian. I

1204
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.679
<v Speaker 3>would be an oozing pile of love for that character,

1205
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Like he would call her every fucking day. That was bullshit.

1206
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.840
<v Speaker 3>That's like a straw man. They just set that shit

1207
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 3>up so that she has something to cry about. But like,

1208
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:14.920
<v Speaker 3>how about she just wants to fucking die because she's

1209
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:18.840
<v Speaker 3>fucking killed so many people and a lot of innocent people,

1210
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.360
<v Speaker 3>and now her sister is dead and she no longer

1211
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:22.159
<v Speaker 3>has meaning.

1212
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 4>In her life.

1213
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.599
<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe that's what's troubling her.

1214
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.079
<v Speaker 2>It's baked into it. It's I don't understand why they

1215
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 2>ignore the obvious and go for the convoluted.

1216
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.039
<v Speaker 3>You dog call me enough on the weekends.

1217
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 4>Pop up. That's it. That's what we're getting man, well, I.

1218
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Just don't understand. Where are the stakes? Where are the

1219
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:40.719
<v Speaker 2>steaks here? I think, and this is again, this is

1220
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.039
<v Speaker 2>me just making a supposition.

1221
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:42.239
<v Speaker 7>Here.

1222
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 2>They have this massive reset button coming up, so go

1223
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 2>for it, so fucking exactly. Yeah, I don't forget it, Like,

1224
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.079
<v Speaker 2>why not? You literally know what's coming up. You know

1225
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:55.360
<v Speaker 2>that again, we know what they've passed for doomsday. They

1226
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 2>cast the X Men from the original X Men movies.

1227
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that those characters are making it out

1228
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 2>of that movie? No, they're not, Like, and that's not

1229
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 2>a surprise to anybody, because the way Marvel's doing things,

1230
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>they're telegraphing everything now, because they're making it very clear

1231
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 2>that from the point that second Avengers movie comes out

1232
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 2>on is going to be a completely different thing that's

1233
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.280
<v Speaker 2>probably going to look nothing like any of this, which

1234
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 2>is I'm perfectly fine with and cool with. But convince

1235
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 2>me that that's not what they're doing. I just don't

1236
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 2>understand why none of this stuff feels like, just throw

1237
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 2>whatever caution to the wind and go for it. If

1238
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.360
<v Speaker 2>that's what we know is coming, just do it.

1239
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Marvel got cold feet because what happened was not only

1240
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 3>were they slow thinking, they were going to take their

1241
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.320
<v Speaker 3>time like they did with the with earlier projects as

1242
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:44.400
<v Speaker 3>far as setting up the multiverse. But I don't think

1243
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.519
<v Speaker 3>they were expecting everything everywhere, all at wants to come

1244
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:50.599
<v Speaker 3>out and poison those waters and get everyone like a

1245
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.639
<v Speaker 3>little too overused to a multiverse as a problem. And

1246
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.679
<v Speaker 3>then PC started doing it. TV series have been doing it.

1247
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's been doing different timelines, like you get memes about

1248
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 3>it now. So so what they did was back way

1249
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.639
<v Speaker 3>off and continue telling regular sort of standard stories, not

1250
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.079
<v Speaker 3>leading us in any direction whatsoever, because they were supposed

1251
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 3>to be leading us in the timeline direction. Where they

1252
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 3>should have done is every fucking single one of them

1253
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 3>should have been crazy with cameos. They should have been

1254
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.360
<v Speaker 3>setting this up all along, Like why is fucking Nick

1255
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Cage's ghost Rider suddenly helping us on our trip?

1256
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.920
<v Speaker 2>They dropped the ball real, real hard. That just reminds

1257
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.239
<v Speaker 2>me of the problem with Deadpool Wolverine, because it's a

1258
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Wolverine movie. You couldn't make this the doubt movie. It

1259
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 2>should have been with every single insane cameo known to man,

1260
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 2>including again Nick Cage's ghost Rider, Ben Affleck as Daredevil.

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01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Go further, go to the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movies,

1262
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.159
<v Speaker 2>like the Fantastic Four movie go further than that, Dolph

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01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Lundgren as the Punisher, No, because.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you would have had to have a list people

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01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:55.559
<v Speaker 3>in a Ryan Reynolds movie, and he couldn't handle that.

1266
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 4>See having a problem. I'm not keeping up on this

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01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:03.760
<v Speaker 4>whole blake live whoever this other dude is. I see

1268
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 4>headlines almost every single day, and I'm just like, I

1269
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 4>could not give a shit about any of this. I

1270
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 4>thought it was actually quite illuminating, is it okay? I

1271
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 4>just can't pay attention to it.

1272
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Come to find out, there was this whole campaign with

1273
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:24.119
<v Speaker 3>trying to get this guy discredited because Ryan Reynolds was

1274
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 3>like rewriting the script and trying to like control the

1275
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.440
<v Speaker 3>direction of the film itself, like right from the get

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01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 3>go to the point where she came forward and had

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01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:34.880
<v Speaker 3>to have a mediation where she claimed all of this

1278
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.800
<v Speaker 3>shit was going on, that he was like behaving sexually

1279
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 3>aggressively towards her. But and he signed off, I will

1280
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 3>not continue any of this sort of behavior. But he

1281
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.760
<v Speaker 3>signed it because he's directing the movie and his fucking

1282
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.599
<v Speaker 3>lead actress just came out and said this and you

1283
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:51.239
<v Speaker 3>can tell he was like, whatever, let's just get the

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01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.559
<v Speaker 3>movie made. And then afterwards she starts like bringing it up,

1285
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:56.840
<v Speaker 3>and then he has footage of them in all the

1286
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:58.559
<v Speaker 3>scenes that she said he was doing it to her,

1287
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 3>where he did nothing of the sort. It's crazy in

1288
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.719
<v Speaker 3>a world where like you're lucky to get a movie made,

1289
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.639
<v Speaker 3>the fact that anyone is behaving this way Andymore is

1290
01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 3>fucking bonkers to me.

1291
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know.

1292
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Reynolds apparently is a bad man.

1293
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.519
<v Speaker 4>Seems like a real piece of shit. Now, Actually, whoa

1294
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:16.079
<v Speaker 4>yi ware?

1295
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Have all the good boys gone?

1296
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:17.880
<v Speaker 5>Mike?

1297
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:18.760
<v Speaker 2>What's happening?

1298
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:22.320
<v Speaker 4>He's Canadian, He's supposed to be way nice. Should have been.

1299
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Dan Akroyd was setting the bar way too high for

1300
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:25.760
<v Speaker 2>the Molona.

1301
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.440
<v Speaker 4>All around the world, it's the same song.

1302
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.400
<v Speaker 2>It's nothing but trouble. Ryan Reynolds seems like nothing but trouble.

1303
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.000
<v Speaker 4>I know we've said a lot of things on this episode,

1304
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:38.239
<v Speaker 4>but when this comes to the plex server, I'm gonna

1305
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 4>be watching it again, probably a few times.

1306
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but same same.

1307
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.280
<v Speaker 4>Something about these movies. It missed the mark. It could

1308
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:49.119
<v Speaker 4>have been better. The facings off, This is off. This

1309
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:52.280
<v Speaker 4>should have been better. But made me happy for two

1310
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 4>hours and six minutes in a movie theater.

1311
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Today, I will equate it to Disney as a whole.

1312
01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:01.360
<v Speaker 2>So being on a Disney cruise. Cruises, in my opinion,

1313
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 2>are not something I would ever go on. But because

1314
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Disney has such a high standard set for themselves, even

1315
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:11.800
<v Speaker 2>their worst things are better than most things. The best

1316
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.039
<v Speaker 2>things ever even are And it's because they have so

1317
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:19.039
<v Speaker 2>much fucking money. They can have fireworks on a boat.

1318
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:21.360
<v Speaker 2>They can show a movie on a boat and lose

1319
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.280
<v Speaker 2>money on it because they're losing Monday, but they're not

1320
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:24.840
<v Speaker 2>because they're making all the money up and all the

1321
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 2>other bullshit they're selling you on the boat, and it's

1322
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the sheen of Disney is insane to me. On the boat,

1323
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.000
<v Speaker 2>if you play the character, your name tag throughout the

1324
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.679
<v Speaker 2>ship is the character's name, because they don't want you

1325
01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 2>being accidentally referred to by your real name by one

1326
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.719
<v Speaker 2>of the cast members in front of the children. By accident.

1327
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.360
<v Speaker 2>That is next level insanity. But I believe it because

1328
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:49.599
<v Speaker 2>it's Disney. And again to your point, Mike, for as

1329
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.159
<v Speaker 2>mediocre and at times this movie is not great as

1330
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 2>this movie is, it's I think a movie I will

1331
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 2>probably come back to several times as well, because I

1332
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.679
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it. It's better, better than the last three Marvel

1333
01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.119
<v Speaker 2>things I saw, And I'm probably going to engage with

1334
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Marvel a little bit further with Dar Devil to Father

1335
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Malone's suggestion, because I'd never really watched the original show,

1336
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:13.880
<v Speaker 2>but I did want to mention and I did want

1337
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.079
<v Speaker 2>to ask because we alluded to it a little bit.

1338
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 2>But to bring this all full circle or all the

1339
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:24.199
<v Speaker 2>way back to the beginning, or again to the spoilers

1340
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.199
<v Speaker 2>of it all, what did we think about the reveal

1341
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 2>with the Fantastic Four?

1342
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.159
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm see yeah, as the credits were rolling, I

1343
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:34.440
<v Speaker 4>was just like, Okay, what's going to be the big reveal?

1344
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 4>And I honestly thought it was going to be something

1345
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:42.000
<v Speaker 4>to do with Doomsday, just because they that whole fucking

1346
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.039
<v Speaker 4>video with the chairs and stuff. What a stupid fucking

1347
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:49.079
<v Speaker 4>stunt that was. But that so I was like, Okay,

1348
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:51.199
<v Speaker 4>are they going to give us a little something like

1349
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Goo movies from now or maybe something about a TV

1350
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.400
<v Speaker 4>show We're going to see that white vision or some

1351
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.519
<v Speaker 4>of these characters that we haven't seen in a while.

1352
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.559
<v Speaker 4>But no, it feels like they've really gone back to like.

1353
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Monica Rambo, who's in the X Men universe.

1354
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.119
<v Speaker 4>It feels like they've gone back to more of an

1355
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:14.480
<v Speaker 4>the older style, like those original Avengers movies, where it's okay,

1356
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.280
<v Speaker 4>this leads to this. I'm surprised that there wasn't a

1357
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 4>Thunderbolts thing inside of Captain America for but I guess

1358
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 4>having Sam Stearns talk about it's coming is maybe the

1359
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 4>doomsday thing.

1360
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:41.920
<v Speaker 15>He's hungry, he's found us, and he's coming.

1361
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:47.480
<v Speaker 4>It's coming. I've seen it, and the probabilities seen it

1362
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:54.159
<v Speaker 4>plain as day. All you heroes protecting this world, do

1363
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.559
<v Speaker 4>you think you're the only ones? Do you think this

1364
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:58.840
<v Speaker 4>is the only world?

1365
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 5>We'll see?

1366
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.880
<v Speaker 4>What happens when you have to protect this place from

1367
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:14.000
<v Speaker 4>the others. I don't need Sam Stearns to be doing that.

1368
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, why did sam Stearns even turn themselves in?

1369
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm still puzzling that. So to answer your question about

1370
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.880
<v Speaker 4>Fantastic Four, I agree with Father Malone. It's clumsy.

1371
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:26.880
<v Speaker 3>It's not like they haven't done this before where they

1372
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.479
<v Speaker 3>just give us a random bit from some other franchise

1373
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.680
<v Speaker 3>that will eventually be getting to I wish it had

1374
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:38.600
<v Speaker 3>just been more thunderbolts, like doing their fucking thing, Like,

1375
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:41.880
<v Speaker 3>how about what's John Walker's wife up to at the end?

1376
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Is he making any attempt there? There are plot threats

1377
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.840
<v Speaker 3>that this movie brings up that they maybe could have

1378
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:49.239
<v Speaker 3>hinted at further or like you said, Mike, give us

1379
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:52.199
<v Speaker 3>something from fucking oh that we don't know what's happening

1380
01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Strange is often some other fucking universe with Charlie.

1381
01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Then that right now, what's been going on with that?

1382
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 3>There are so many things they could be checking us

1383
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.800
<v Speaker 3>in on instead of guess what's coming right the next one?

1384
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Stay excited, get your popcorn bucket, money ready?

1385
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Why do we have to show the next movie? Like literally,

1386
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 2>why do we have to go like boop up uh?

1387
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Because we know that the next movie is not unless

1388
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm unless my assumption is wrong, the next movie is

1389
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:17.760
<v Speaker 2>not picking up.

1390
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.479
<v Speaker 4>But well, we saw the trailer at the beginning.

1391
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I will say, I think the point of leading into

1392
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:27.199
<v Speaker 2>the next movie unless this is like with what happened

1393
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.199
<v Speaker 2>with Avengers, which is the last time I could think

1394
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 2>of it actually mattering that you had like boo bah

1395
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 2>like a thing worth and we have the pager and

1396
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 2>that goes right into Captain Marvel the movie that has

1397
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to explain what the pager is for, which ends up

1398
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.159
<v Speaker 2>not even mattering an endgame. But that's a completely different story,

1399
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and she comes back for one scene in that movie

1400
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.960
<v Speaker 2>that matters. But hey, whatever, I really just I was

1401
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:50.560
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the movie. I was just sitting there,

1402
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:53.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, fantastic for fantastic and then you know what

1403
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:56.479
<v Speaker 2>they did that spoiled it. Michael Giacchino is fantastic for

1404
01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.800
<v Speaker 2>a first step theme right there in the credits, and

1405
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:00.079
<v Speaker 2>it's it.

1406
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.760
<v Speaker 4>Was in the credits. I saw you.

1407
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Fucker's like, it's right there. You spoiled it before he

1408
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.680
<v Speaker 2>even spoiled it for the people that still don't know.

1409
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.800
<v Speaker 2>You gave even the people that didn't know an opportunity

1410
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to be smart. Yeah, and it said it right there,

1411
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's and the Fantastic four theme is really good too.

1412
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.600
<v Speaker 2>That's the problem. It's so good. It's like now, it's

1413
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.880
<v Speaker 2>like I recognized it hearing it, like because again they

1414
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:26.760
<v Speaker 2>play it right at the end of the movie. They're

1415
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:29.319
<v Speaker 2>playing it over the credit as we lead into that.

1416
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.880
<v Speaker 4>By the way, why nothing's going to stop us now?

1417
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 4>By Starship in the end credits. That was that used

1418
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:38.640
<v Speaker 4>at all in the rest of the movie.

1419
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.479
<v Speaker 3>Part of the wackiness of the Guardians that we need

1420
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.439
<v Speaker 3>to replicate here because that's what teams are. Teams are goofy,

1421
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.840
<v Speaker 3>that's what they need to be. Each one needs a

1422
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.359
<v Speaker 3>needle drop like in Suicide Squad. Remember that Red Guardian

1423
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 3>should have been the only comedic character in this movie.

1424
01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, agreed, agreed, I don't Yeah, I don't know why

1425
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:04.600
<v Speaker 2>you make the essentially American American government serial killer who

1426
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:07.159
<v Speaker 2>just goes and kills people who want to abandon Why

1427
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you've allowed him to be a jokey character and then

1428
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.239
<v Speaker 2>have him be just like a dad who's on his

1429
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:16.079
<v Speaker 2>phone around his son, which is again like what a.

1430
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:19.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't get that. Yeah, I was like, that's

1431
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:20.479
<v Speaker 4>a pretty small complaint.

1432
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Go back to him shooting the person in the middle

1433
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:25.279
<v Speaker 2>of the street, like killing the per like they literally

1434
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:27.119
<v Speaker 2>reference in the dialogue of.

1435
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:29.159
<v Speaker 3>The No, he doesn't shoot a man in the middle

1436
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.840
<v Speaker 3>of the street. He uses Captain America's shield to bludgeon

1437
01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:36.600
<v Speaker 3>a man to death. Okay, how about a flashback to that.

1438
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't need to know that he wasn't paying attention

1439
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 3>to his child. By the way, clearly he's not paying

1440
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:43.840
<v Speaker 3>attention to his child while all of that shit is

1441
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 3>going on. He's just been stripped of the title of

1442
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:49.159
<v Speaker 3>Captain America. The entire world is considering him disgrace. I

1443
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:51.920
<v Speaker 3>might be able to distracted too. It's not like his

1444
01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:55.039
<v Speaker 3>child burned themselves while he was fucking off and doing

1445
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.439
<v Speaker 3>some things. It was the child is sitting next to him.

1446
01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:59.279
<v Speaker 3>The wife's in the next room, comes in and goes, hey,

1447
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:00.359
<v Speaker 3>pay attention to the kid.

1448
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.079
<v Speaker 4>I was expecting. Heard a smacker across the face, something terrible,

1449
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 4>something awful, Yes, exactly. And yeah, when he is bludgeoning

1450
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:12.560
<v Speaker 4>that guy with the shield in that show, that was

1451
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.039
<v Speaker 4>probably the best moment of the show. It wanted is

1452
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.119
<v Speaker 4>to see actual rather than Sam Wilson just talking people

1453
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:21.640
<v Speaker 4>down at the end of the movie. And I guess

1454
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.720
<v Speaker 4>that's how the fucking movie ends, right with Captain America

1455
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:29.239
<v Speaker 4>for him talking down Red Hulk, trying to do it twice.

1456
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.640
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I met with a friend of mine for

1457
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.760
<v Speaker 4>coffee recently and the first thing out of his mouth is,

1458
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:37.399
<v Speaker 4>why wasn't it lived? Tyler At the end of.

1459
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Still have no Idea? Still, if you're gonna have her

1460
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:44.039
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. Why not have her in the movie?

1461
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:48.319
<v Speaker 2>I still don't get it. And it's Marvel just again.

1462
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:49.399
<v Speaker 2>They go all the way up to the edge and

1463
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.680
<v Speaker 2>they just don't commit. Why not? You guys have so

1464
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.079
<v Speaker 2>much you know what, You have so much money. You

1465
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.439
<v Speaker 2>can afford to make a mistake, you know how. I

1466
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.560
<v Speaker 2>know Jonathan Major's being recast and pivoting can cost them

1467
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.079
<v Speaker 2>that much money. Quantum Mania was like the biggest failure

1468
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:07.079
<v Speaker 2>they've had, but it's still wasn't that big of a failure. Ultimately,

1469
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:10.800
<v Speaker 2>more critically it was a failure than it was financially, like,

1470
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Marvel can afford to make mistakes. I don't even understand

1471
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.399
<v Speaker 2>why they don't commit. If anyone can commit, Marvel can

1472
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.439
<v Speaker 2>commit because they have the mouse money. They have the

1473
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:18.319
<v Speaker 2>money to commit.

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01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.359
<v Speaker 3>The crazy thing is they announce they're doing Guardians of

1475
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:23.600
<v Speaker 3>the Galaxy, and everyone's who and what the fuck are

1476
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.199
<v Speaker 3>you guys doing? What do you think We're just going

1477
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 3>to accept anything you throw our way? But then they

1478
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.479
<v Speaker 3>actually gave us a good movie because those are good characters,

1479
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:32.000
<v Speaker 3>and you can do that, you can have a team

1480
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:36.680
<v Speaker 3>and you can do it that way. Why they aren't

1481
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.000
<v Speaker 3>like you're saying, Chris, why they aren't just letting somebody

1482
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.640
<v Speaker 3>like have a vision and go fucking with it. Because

1483
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.199
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's because they're all too tied up now with

1484
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 3>all of the fucking mythology and everything has to fucking

1485
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:50.439
<v Speaker 3>connect here and there and wherever. I don't know, it

1486
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.439
<v Speaker 3>hamstrings this movie, like what you said Mike earlier, like

1487
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.800
<v Speaker 3>about when this movie comes out on cable and whatever. Yes,

1488
01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm definitely gonna watch it again. I'll probably watch starting

1489
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.199
<v Speaker 3>an hour in though, because that's where the movie gets good. Definitely,

1490
01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:05.840
<v Speaker 3>we'll watch anything else where they've got an established team,

1491
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:06.640
<v Speaker 3>the New Avengers.

1492
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:07.880
<v Speaker 4>They want to do a New Avengers movie.

1493
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Fuck yeah, I'm on board. But like that meandering bullshit

1494
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:14.319
<v Speaker 3>of the first hour of this movie, I don't get it,

1495
01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:17.279
<v Speaker 3>And I don't get why they aren't more focused and

1496
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:21.039
<v Speaker 3>more free, considering like we've said, they're gonna wipe everybody

1497
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 3>out anyway.

1498
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:24.199
<v Speaker 2>There's part of me that doesn't even think that the

1499
01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.399
<v Speaker 2>verses of the Fantastic Four that we have are gonna

1500
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:28.359
<v Speaker 2>end up being the versions of the Fantastic for it

1501
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.359
<v Speaker 2>moving forward. There there's a distinct given that they've borrow

1502
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 2>given that we've already seen two different read Richards, because

1503
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:37.399
<v Speaker 2>now Pedro Pascal is Bread Richards number two, because we've

1504
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:41.720
<v Speaker 2>seen the Zoom, the Zoom meeting John Krasinski, mister Fantastic,

1505
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:45.359
<v Speaker 2>which you can't convince me wasn't just done exteriorly from

1506
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:47.760
<v Speaker 2>everything in that movie.

1507
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.199
<v Speaker 3>And they can bring in you Owen Griffith from fucking

1508
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:51.800
<v Speaker 3>from the original.

1509
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even sure Pedro Pascal and then make it

1510
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:58.319
<v Speaker 2>past doomsday. I wouldn't be surprised if they get iced

1511
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.439
<v Speaker 2>with the rest of the characters. And that's why for me, Yeah,

1512
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to your point, Father Malone, like just give somebody free

1513
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.680
<v Speaker 2>ready to do something after this. If this is what

1514
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:09.399
<v Speaker 2>everything now has been leading to an endgame was just

1515
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the halfway point, and you can somehow land the ship

1516
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 2>and make it seem like this was all leading to this,

1517
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:19.199
<v Speaker 2>which like, good luck Russo brothers, but good luck if

1518
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.279
<v Speaker 2>you can land the ship and reset and hit that

1519
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.560
<v Speaker 2>reset button hard and real hard, and on the other

1520
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.039
<v Speaker 2>end of it, give some people some room to play

1521
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:31.439
<v Speaker 2>with things, because now we have this pre pre accepted

1522
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.239
<v Speaker 2>mythology who everybody who's seen in the MCU can watch

1523
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.119
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning and then get to this point where

1524
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.560
<v Speaker 2>things can start anew but also as a new spot

1525
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.079
<v Speaker 2>to bring new people in who don't have to see

1526
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:45.600
<v Speaker 2>thirty five goddamn movies and thirty five TV shows worth

1527
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:50.159
<v Speaker 2>the shit good because this is getting stale, it's getting old,

1528
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and the multiverse of it all like you backed yourselves

1529
01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.479
<v Speaker 2>into a corner. This is your own goddamn fault. If

1530
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:57.439
<v Speaker 2>you didn't want to do this, you should never have

1531
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:01.159
<v Speaker 2>done it. But those Spider Man three Spider Man, that

1532
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:03.439
<v Speaker 2>money was too good. It was too good to pass

1533
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:05.800
<v Speaker 2>up that Spider Man, the three Spider Man in a

1534
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:07.600
<v Speaker 2>movie money, It was too good to pass it up.

1535
01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 2>That's this, That's what this stinks of. Still, it's like

1536
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.399
<v Speaker 2>they did the whole multiverse thing there and then they

1537
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:16.319
<v Speaker 2>were like, now we can do it everywhere, and they

1538
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.960
<v Speaker 2>have not done anything with it since that's the best

1539
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:21.600
<v Speaker 2>use of the multiverse on top of everything else. And

1540
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:24.439
<v Speaker 2>that's the first time they did it. The first time,

1541
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:26.479
<v Speaker 2>and the probably the second best time they're gonna do

1542
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.520
<v Speaker 2>it is in the next fucking Doomsday and maybe Fantastic four.

1543
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:32.199
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, there are a lot of movies

1544
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:35.399
<v Speaker 2>in between that reference the multiverse or spend time talking

1545
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:39.399
<v Speaker 2>about it, and just I'm so ready for this to

1546
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:40.560
<v Speaker 2>course correct in.

1547
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:41.680
<v Speaker 4>A meaningful way.

1548
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I really am, because I because, like you said, Mike,

1549
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.680
<v Speaker 2>there's something about these movies that I inherently enjoy and

1550
01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't want them going anywhere. I enjoy these movies

1551
01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:54.239
<v Speaker 2>way too much. Bring back Captain America, Bring back Chris Evans.

1552
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:56.479
<v Speaker 2>On the other side of this, you want to reboot it,

1553
01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:59.359
<v Speaker 2>have him open his eyes when the start of a

1554
01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:02.000
<v Speaker 2>new day or whatever the fuck. I don't know, you

1555
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:05.800
<v Speaker 2>know what. I'll be there for that, but you got

1556
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:08.560
<v Speaker 2>to get us. That's a pretty tall, almost vertical cook

1557
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:10.720
<v Speaker 2>face to get up. And you know what, the Russo

1558
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:15.239
<v Speaker 2>brothers and Robert Downey Junior, I've seen them. I've seen

1559
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.199
<v Speaker 2>those two Avengers movies, and they work way better than

1560
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:21.920
<v Speaker 2>they have any right to now in retrospect they really

1561
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.560
<v Speaker 2>work a lot. But like that move those movies if

1562
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you've watched them recently, they have so many moving parts

1563
01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:29.760
<v Speaker 2>and they and it's it works way better than these

1564
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:32.199
<v Speaker 2>movies do, which have if not as many moving parts,

1565
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:35.640
<v Speaker 2>but more in a lot of ways. Yeah, I'm ready

1566
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:38.760
<v Speaker 2>for this to be over and done with this timeline

1567
01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and them to start with something fresh, and I hope

1568
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.399
<v Speaker 2>that they actually take an opportunity to do that because

1569
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.159
<v Speaker 2>the fantastic for movie, whatever happens at the end of

1570
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.319
<v Speaker 2>that movie, we can't unsee that. And this is the

1571
01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:50.560
<v Speaker 2>last recording before that.

1572
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:54.399
<v Speaker 4>Chris, everything that you just said, I completely agree with.

1573
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:56.560
<v Speaker 4>I am so done with this timeline and I just

1574
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:57.399
<v Speaker 4>want everything to.

1575
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:04.479
<v Speaker 9>Be overasumas Yes, God, my god, the timeline where all

1576
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:08.439
<v Speaker 9>of the properties right, they're split between multiple different companies

1577
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:13.079
<v Speaker 9>because the company that owned them was unaware of how

1578
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:14.680
<v Speaker 9>to do anything in film with them.

1579
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:19.000
<v Speaker 2>While DC spent thirty years making movies. I'm glad Marble

1580
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:21.640
<v Speaker 2>finally got their act together and made movies of quality

1581
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and that we have the MCU. But the Yeah, I'm

1582
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:27.960
<v Speaker 2>starting to sour on this and they've not pulled up

1583
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.079
<v Speaker 2>hard enough, and this is this is that opportunity from

1584
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 2>here on out. And I really was hoping Thunderbolts would

1585
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:38.119
<v Speaker 2>go further because of what everybody knows is coming. We've

1586
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:41.039
<v Speaker 2>seen pre production art for Doom Day and the movie

1587
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 2>afterwards that I can't even explain what the fuck they're

1588
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:46.119
<v Speaker 2>going for. I don't even know, like, how do you

1589
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 2>get to that point? So I'm on board. Just don't

1590
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.359
<v Speaker 2>pretend like that's not what you're doing, because everybody and

1591
01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:54.119
<v Speaker 2>their mother knows that's what you're doing.

1592
01:18:54.479 --> 01:19:00.800
<v Speaker 4>Benedict Cumber matches and playing con don't know? Oh my god, right,

1593
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:02.319
<v Speaker 4>why would you think.

1594
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.359
<v Speaker 2>John Walker, whatever his character, I forget what his character's

1595
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:04.880
<v Speaker 2>name is.

1596
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.520
<v Speaker 4>In the past, Master May makes it to the end

1597
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.479
<v Speaker 4>of the film. Father Malone, what are you working on

1598
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:12.199
<v Speaker 4>these days? Oh?

1599
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Check out everything I do over at Midnight Viewing.

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01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:16.399
<v Speaker 4>HP.

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01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.720
<v Speaker 3>The are my co host from night Mister Walters and

1602
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.399
<v Speaker 3>Noise Junkies. He and I are currently involved in the

1603
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.439
<v Speaker 3>Fusco Fest. We're looking at the works of John Fusco, screenwriter.

1604
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:31.640
<v Speaker 3>We've already covered Crossroads and Young Guns and Young Guns too,

1605
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:33.760
<v Speaker 3>and by the time this comes out. Our next episode,

1606
01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:37.359
<v Speaker 3>this coming Friday, is about Thunderheart, the Val Kilmer, a

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01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Native American FBI thriller from ninety two. I believe check

1608
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:45.279
<v Speaker 3>me out over there.

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01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.439
<v Speaker 4>I saw that at the theater Thunderheart and Chris, how

1610
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:50.079
<v Speaker 4>about yourself?

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01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Readingwaymedia dot com is where you can find all the

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01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:56.840
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1613
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<v Speaker 2>said his show Midnight Viewing, you can find that over there.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find Mike's The Projection Booth over there. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find Sharon and Susan's show eightiestv Ladies over there

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned HP's Noise Junkies, which is now HP's Noise Junkies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you again guys for being on the show.

1626
01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:39.640
<v Speaker 4>Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear

1627
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<v Speaker 4>more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some

1628
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<v Speaker 4>all available at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our

1630
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<v Speaker 4>help some Projection Booth take over the world.

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<v Speaker 8>Stove again in yours A see a part.

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01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:22.439
<v Speaker 5>That's the swirl that.

1635
01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.640
<v Speaker 8>I found this two girl to be true.

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01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:31.199
<v Speaker 15>Standing here be such a wall st must to give you.

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01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 5>Love in my heart that I feel.

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01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Let him see you what's crazy? I don't care about

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01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:48.560
<v Speaker 1>bad which my handmadey toliver the bad rut around us.

1640
01:21:49.720 --> 01:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Just fall baby drinking. We'll have to walk together, stand

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01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:15.640
<v Speaker 1>forever nine come us well the heavy each other NonStop

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<v Speaker 1>us costomers.

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01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:28.159
<v Speaker 8>I'm so sad up about you. I'm not gonna do you.

1644
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:32.520
<v Speaker 8>Whatever takes, I will stay here with you.

1645
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:38.399
<v Speaker 16>Take it to the good jobs, see it through the backups,

1646
01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.199
<v Speaker 16>whatever stakes is what I'm going.

1647
01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:47.840
<v Speaker 1>To do, and I'll see what's crazy? What do they know?

1648
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Would you as around the baby? Don't never let the

1649
01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:55.640
<v Speaker 1>world will run us.

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01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:08.840
<v Speaker 16>Just fallow baby, we can We're hot, togain stay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about must said this two most.

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<v Speaker 16>Tell about chick is teas not must tous Not.

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<v Speaker 8>Is us on.

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01:23:46.159 --> 01:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>That ship. It's a more funding snocking, its scaling