Speaker 1: Hudson River Radio dot Com. We could be worse.
Speaker 2: This is Kathleen Martin.
Speaker 1: You're listening to UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters. Thank you Kathleen
Speaker 1: Martin for that bless him introduction. Every time I hear it,
Speaker 1: I love it. You Welcome to UFO Headquarters. I'm Michael
Speaker 1: Warden with of course Linda Zimmerman. Linda. Good evening or good.
Speaker 2: Afternoon, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just finished a major multi year
Speaker 3: book project, so I'm a little fried. So I'm glad
Speaker 3: you're taking the lead tonight.
Speaker 1: I think you should at least shamelessly promote what it's about.
Speaker 3: I have been tracking a Civil War soldier for over
Speaker 3: thirty years. Finally, in the last couple of years found
Speaker 3: enough letters, diaries, information to write a book, which I
Speaker 3: did obsessively, compulsively, hardly sleeping or eating. But it's finally done.
Speaker 3: It should be up on Amazon in a couple of days.
Speaker 3: It's on Barnes and Noble. Now it's called a Civil
Speaker 3: War Soldier and Me because it's not only his whole history,
Speaker 3: but my dogged pursuit from Maine to North Carolina to
Speaker 3: follow him.
Speaker 2: So I don't just do UFOs.
Speaker 1: And I know I've been privy to some of the
Speaker 1: project that she's worked on, and go get the book.
Speaker 1: Not a Civil War fan, the story itself is just fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a lot of calls to Mike, Mike,
Speaker 3: what do you think of that? Can you find something
Speaker 3: on this? So you were very helpful. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a Civil War buff for
Speaker 1: anything to know. I'm telling you, I haven't read the
Speaker 1: whole book yet, and I know it's going to be awesome.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So before we start into tonight's episode, I did want
Speaker 1: to read a letter that was sent to me by
Speaker 1: a former law enforcement officer, so I do know the source.
Speaker 1: It's a credible source and it's Hey, Mike, I thought
Speaker 1: of telling you about this particular sighting of an object
Speaker 1: I witnessed years ago, but I neglected too because I
Speaker 1: felt like it was not conclusive enough and I did
Speaker 1: not wish to waste your time. I've listened to UFO
Speaker 1: headquarters for some time and really appreciate how you and
Speaker 1: Linda keep up on the collection and research of local
Speaker 1: unexplained phenomena. I was recently catching up on some of
Speaker 1: your past episodes and listened to the show in which
Speaker 1: you spoke about the port drivers police officers who had
Speaker 1: a number of sightings in the nineteen sixties. It was
Speaker 1: then that I decided it was time to tell you
Speaker 1: my simple story and hopes that maybe it will bring
Speaker 1: another witness forward. The events took place in Warwick, New York,
Speaker 1: at the drive in Movie Theater, which is still in
Speaker 1: operation today.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is great driving.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the last that you can probably find
Speaker 1: at this point. One summer night, as a toddler, I
Speaker 1: attended the movies with my mother, my aunt, and my
Speaker 1: older sister. Before the movie started, I remember my mom
Speaker 1: and aunt, who were sitting in the front seat of
Speaker 1: the car, suddenly focusing on something in the distant sky.
Speaker 1: They conversed in some substance about what the mysterious object
Speaker 1: was that they were seeing. I wormed my way between
Speaker 1: them and they tried to point the object out to
Speaker 1: me and my sister. Being too young and inexperienced to
Speaker 1: have reference between what should or should not be in
Speaker 1: the sky, I only recall looking at clouds. At some point,
Speaker 1: the object was gone, and my mom referred to the
Speaker 1: object as a UFO there after. Years later, as a
Speaker 1: teenager in the early nineties, at the same drive in theater,
Speaker 1: I was at the very end of the summer season.
Speaker 1: It was with a handful of friends to see the
Speaker 1: movie Terminator two. I'll Be Back. We sat outside of
Speaker 1: the car on the cool, clear night air, crisp enough
Speaker 1: that we had to wear jackets and clear in a
Speaker 1: way that let you know summer was over because all
Speaker 1: the stars were brightly visible. The moon was bright and
Speaker 1: on the full side, hanging low on the horizon. During
Speaker 1: the movie, as I often do, I took a moment
Speaker 1: to look up and take in the view of the sky.
Speaker 1: Just then an object at low altitude flew by directly
Speaker 1: overhead at an extremely high speed. The object was roughly
Speaker 1: triangular in shape and dark in color. I know it
Speaker 1: was material in nature because the only reason I observed
Speaker 1: it was due to the moonlight shining from the low
Speaker 1: angle of the moon on the horizon, illuminating it as
Speaker 1: it traversed overhead. Mind you, as it moved, so so
Speaker 1: did the moonlight on the surface area of the object,
Speaker 1: which gave a very good indication of shape. More of
Speaker 1: an acute isosceles or arrowhead with a sharp front and
Speaker 1: an equilateral or what we might now know as the
Speaker 1: rough shape of a stealth fighter. The approximate size of
Speaker 1: the object was a little larger than a Cessna type airplane,
Speaker 1: and its altitude was also equivalent to where you would
Speaker 1: think for that sort of small aircraft. This is where
Speaker 1: the similarities ended. There were absolutely no lights illuminating it
Speaker 1: other than the moonlight. The material seemed to be dark,
Speaker 1: but glossy enough to allow the moonlight to reflect very well.
Speaker 1: And then there was the astonishing speed. The only reference
Speaker 1: I have for the speed would be to equate it
Speaker 1: to a shooting star. From my viewpoint in that open setting,
Speaker 1: with a field of view nearly horizontal horizon. The horizon
Speaker 1: from when I first to when it disappeared out of
Speaker 1: my view it must have traversed two thirds of the
Speaker 1: sky almost instantaneously, because I was already looking up. Once
Speaker 1: I caught the movement of the object in the corner
Speaker 1: of my left eye, I instinctly focused on it and
Speaker 1: tracked it until it had disappeared from sight to my
Speaker 1: extreme right. Also instinctively, due to the speed and low
Speaker 1: altitude of the object, I flinched hard and sort of
Speaker 1: laid back toward the ground, waiting for a sonic boom
Speaker 1: or at least a loud roar of an engine. There
Speaker 1: was absolutely no sound whatsoever, nothing, not even a wush
Speaker 1: of wind. Almost immediately my friends asked what I was doing,
Speaker 1: as I was also stating what the hell was that.
Speaker 1: It quickly became apparent that I was the only person
Speaker 1: looking up and not watching the movie. I literally asked
Speaker 1: the strangers around us, around us if anyone was just
Speaker 1: looking up and if they had seen anything. All answered
Speaker 1: to the negative. And the years since, I entered a
Speaker 1: career where clear, accurate and precise reporting was vital. Became
Speaker 1: a police officer and investigator, a special weapons and tactics
Speaker 1: operator team leader, completed the career as a police chief.
Speaker 1: So this is someone who has clearly risen through the
Speaker 1: ranks and knows what they're talking about. I have served
Speaker 1: as an expert and an expert witness on many occasions,
Speaker 1: and to my knowledge, no one has ever accused me
Speaker 1: of being prone to fantasy, delusion or naivety. I was,
Speaker 1: by no means an expert on aircraft, but anyone that
Speaker 1: lives in southern Orange County, New York is very used
Speaker 1: to seeing and hearing all kinds of aircraft at various altitudes.
Speaker 1: The flight patterns from major area airports and military bases
Speaker 1: all intersect over this region. I had never foreseen anything
Speaker 1: like this object before that day, nor have I since
Speaker 1: I'll be listening to your future episodes and if you
Speaker 1: read my story, I truly hope that if anyone else
Speaker 1: has seen this object that night, that they write to
Speaker 1: you with the details of their event. So I want
Speaker 1: to thank him personally for reaching out and sending that
Speaker 1: to me, but also for trusting us to present his
Speaker 1: story anonymously, but you know, hopefully to get that story
Speaker 1: out there and maybe others have have heard of it.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Fantastic, that's a wonderful account. And as soon as you
Speaker 3: mentioned Warwick Drive in I've spoken to numerous witnesses who
Speaker 3: have seen triangular craft over the Warwick Drive in. One
Speaker 3: that comes to mind they said it was there's a
Speaker 3: price chopper. In recent years has been I think it's
Speaker 3: a price chopper. A supermarket has been built to cross
Speaker 3: the street. And someone said the movie wasn't so good,
Speaker 3: I think, and they're you know, kind of wandering their
Speaker 3: their vision and they saw a triangle over the supermarket
Speaker 3: across the street, and other people have seen and it's
Speaker 3: always as if I can recall correctly, it's always been
Speaker 3: triangular craft that has been seen. I would have to
Speaker 3: check my book with the dates and the stories, but
Speaker 3: I love it. Another triangular UFO sighting what's going on
Speaker 3: over the Warwick drive in?
Speaker 1: It sounds like extraterrestrials trying to get a free movie.
Speaker 2: That's the admission feeb Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Drive ins have been great locations over the decades because
Speaker 3: people are outside and if you're sitting outside your car
Speaker 3: or in you know, p both set up chairs, or
Speaker 3: if you have a convertible, you're there for hours and
Speaker 3: hours and the movie isn't so good. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: your your vision is wandering. So I love it, love it,
Speaker 3: great account. Thank thank you, whoever you are who sent that.
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid going and we would lay
Speaker 1: on like the hood of the front of the car,
Speaker 1: my brother and eye, and half the time you're staring
Speaker 1: up at the sky because you're you know, you're a
Speaker 1: kid in your Mind's a million places, but definitely an
Speaker 1: interesting story. So if anybody's had similar experiences, please feel
Speaker 1: free to reach out to us. And before we get
Speaker 1: into tonight's really interesting incident, we're going to take our
Speaker 1: first break. Hudson River Radio dot Com. Hudson River Radio
Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, welcome back. We now are going to
Speaker 1: go from Warwick, New York, to the coal country of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: specifically to the town of Carbondale. I'm sort of in
Speaker 1: between Honesdale and Scranton, if that helps people with a
Speaker 1: little perspective. And it's again a quiet little town where
Speaker 1: some teenagers saw something fall into the lake. And we'll
Speaker 1: get into a little but I want to just mention
Speaker 1: what Carbondale itself, the significance of this little town. Founded
Speaker 1: in the eighteen twenties, it was one of the first
Speaker 1: sites of anthracite coal mining in the United States. It
Speaker 1: was a vital rail hub for the Delaware and Hudson
Speaker 1: Canal Company. So, you know, anthracite coal from Scranton Carbondale
Speaker 1: would be loaded onto these you know, gravity railroads and
Speaker 1: brought to Honesdale and then on the canal all the
Speaker 1: way down through Port Jervis, through the Hudson Valley all
Speaker 1: the way up to Kingston, where it would get onto
Speaker 1: boats and go down to the Hudson, New York City.
Speaker 1: So I wonder how many some of those Delaware and
Speaker 1: Hudson Canal operators, what kind of things they might have
Speaker 1: seen over those years. So unfortunately they're long gone. But
Speaker 1: for decades it was really coal. It was a coal industry.
Speaker 1: And in the twentieth century, when coal began to decline,
Speaker 1: you know, so did Carbondale and it fell on hard times.
Speaker 1: Like many towns. In the nineteen seventies, it was a
Speaker 1: quiet town and it really was a shadow of what
Speaker 1: it once was. And that all changed in November of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, on a cold November night, a glowing
Speaker 1: object fell from the sky into Carbondale and sparked a
Speaker 1: mystery which some people think even today has been a
Speaker 1: governmental cover up. So it's November ninth, nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1: It's a clear night, so the stars are visible, it's crisp,
Speaker 1: and there's three teenage boys hanging out, John Lloyd, William Lloyd,
Speaker 1: and Robert Gillette. And they're hanging out near a place
Speaker 1: called Russell Park that has a pond in it, and
Speaker 1: they see something flashing across the sky which catches their attention,
Speaker 1: and a bright glowing object with a comet like tail,
Speaker 1: streaks overhead and crashes into the small pond in this park.
Speaker 1: The boys describe it, however, as slowing down and almost
Speaker 1: seeming to maybe hover right before it crashed into the water,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like just a complete freefall where it
Speaker 1: landed directly. It was almost like it slowed down and
Speaker 1: then it stopped and hit the water. So, of course
Speaker 1: the boys they call the police, and a couple of
Speaker 1: interesting quotes here. One of them was the police say
Speaker 1: three boys reported seeing a glowing object land in the reservoir.
Speaker 1: Officers found bubbles rising from the surface and cordoned off
Speaker 1: the area. Soon after that, the pond started to glow.
Speaker 1: Never a good sign.
Speaker 3: No bubbling and glowing not something you want to see
Speaker 3: in your local reservoir.
Speaker 1: Now, being a small you know, I mean, Carbondale's relatively
Speaker 1: small community, people start to gather. Rumors start to fly,
Speaker 1: and people want to know what just came out of
Speaker 1: the sky into Russell Pond. So the police when they
Speaker 1: arrive again, they locate these bubbles rising up and there's
Speaker 1: a strange light coming from the pond. By the morning,
Speaker 1: hundreds of people are gathered there's reporters swarming it. Amateur
Speaker 1: photographers are taking photographs. There's even a radio station that
Speaker 1: sends up a helicopter that tries to get a scoop.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking nineteen seventy four. The Scranton Times Tribune
Speaker 1: wrote that spectators lined the perimeter of Russell Park as
Speaker 1: officials debated how to retrieve the object. The light, witnesses say,
Speaker 1: continued to glow into the night. People are excited, nervous.
Speaker 1: Some talk of alien visitors, others of military experiments. Theories
Speaker 1: are flying as fast as the object itself. So the object,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's going to be need to be retrieved.
Speaker 1: But are the residents of Carbondale really ready for what
Speaker 1: they're going to find? Well, two days later they bring
Speaker 1: in divers, and these divers go into the water and
Speaker 1: they do recover something. They come up to the surface
Speaker 1: with an object. It is not a spacecraft, It is
Speaker 1: not a meteorite. Linda, did you want to take a
Speaker 1: guess at what they came up with.
Speaker 3: I believe it was a type of flashlight.
Speaker 1: Close it was a rusty battery powered railroad lantern.
Speaker 3: I don't know that rusty lanterns underwater are still capable
Speaker 3: of working well.
Speaker 1: Authority said it must have been a prank and thrown
Speaker 1: into the water, perhaps as a prank or a hoax.
Speaker 3: Mm hm. And how did that account for the bubbling
Speaker 3: and the objects shooting through the sky.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk about that soon. Well, as
Speaker 1: you can imagine, Much like a lot of stories we
Speaker 1: talk about, not everybody bought that official explanation. Many locals
Speaker 1: said the lantern didn't match the light they saw. They
Speaker 1: also said the lantern couldn't have glowed for that long underwater,
Speaker 1: Like you said, how long was the battery powered lantern
Speaker 1: built from the nineteen seventies, not knowing when it was manufactured,
Speaker 1: assuming it even worked, how long is that really gonna
Speaker 1: stay on?
Speaker 3: And I think we should do a test. We should
Speaker 3: get a similar battery powered lantern like that. Probably can
Speaker 3: get one on eBay and toss it into a lake
Speaker 3: and see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, we should do that. That would be really fun.
Speaker 1: Actually right, all right, we're gonna have to work on
Speaker 1: that one now. Much like other incidents we talk about. Also,
Speaker 1: people start seeing men in dark suits, unmarked vehicles, strange
Speaker 1: scientific instruments, including people with Geiger counters. So townspeople want
Speaker 1: to know, well, what did they find before this lantern?
Speaker 1: The lantern seemed like a very convenient story, but they
Speaker 1: felt that something else, bigger was going on, and I
Speaker 1: think let's take a second break before we delve into
Speaker 1: what really is going on. Jump into our second break, Brian,
Speaker 1: this is Hudson.
Speaker 2: River Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station.
Speaker 1: This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. We're back with
Speaker 1: a lantern at the bottom of a lake in Carbondale, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the story. Everybody, goodnight.
Speaker 2: Sounds sounds reasonable to me.
Speaker 1: At least it wasn't swamp gas or venus that the
Speaker 1: kids saw.
Speaker 2: That's true, you know, venus at.
Speaker 1: The bottom of the pond. It's possible. Well, in the aftermaths,
Speaker 1: there were quite a few theories that began to take shape,
Speaker 1: and of course, one of the biggest ones was a
Speaker 1: government cover up, and witnesses claimed that they saw federal
Speaker 1: agents who appeared very rapidly in quiet. They sealed off
Speaker 1: the site and they may have removed something before crowds
Speaker 1: started to really gather. So there's rumors that something was
Speaker 1: trucked out of the site. And covered up like on
Speaker 1: a tarp or with a tarp over it. No complete
Speaker 1: evidence of that, but these are what some people claim
Speaker 1: to have seen. The late arrival of divers and the
Speaker 1: overnight glow that mysteriously stopped added to that suspicion. And
Speaker 1: again people said they saw agents or men with Geiger counters,
Speaker 1: and they insisted these conspiracy who believed it was a
Speaker 1: cover up, insisted that the real object was removed and
Speaker 1: the lantern was just planted there sort of as a
Speaker 1: convenient explanation. So they took the alien object and in
Speaker 1: its place left some rinking railroad lantern battery operated. Now
Speaker 1: there's a hoax theory, and it's reasonable to sort of
Speaker 1: look at this from multiple angles. I know, we always
Speaker 1: talk about this. Skeptics said the teens may have simply
Speaker 1: thrown the lantern into the water themselves, seeking attention, or
Speaker 1: just pulling a prank. Railroad lanterns from that era could
Speaker 1: shine brightly if they still had battery. Life theories suggested
Speaker 1: the boys never imagined it would escalate to such a level,
Speaker 1: but once the press arrived, it was too late to
Speaker 1: change their story. Now, if we remember, the boys are
Speaker 1: the ones who reported this in the first place to
Speaker 1: the police, So I'm not sure if they were looking
Speaker 1: to pull a hoax. They never really said it was
Speaker 1: a UFO. They just saw something crash into the water
Speaker 1: and notified the police department. Seems like a stretch that
Speaker 1: the kids or trying to get attention by throwing an old,
Speaker 1: you know, lantern into the into the pond. So I
Speaker 1: definitely don't buy that one. I don't know what you
Speaker 1: think about that, Linda, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's they weren't saying they weren't being invaded by aliens.
Speaker 3: I think it was more of a concern of some
Speaker 3: sort of conventional aircraft maybe had crashed.
Speaker 1: Now again we go to the mass hysteria or mass
Speaker 1: misinterpretation theory, and this is where you know people note
Speaker 1: that in moments of uncertainty and social pressure, people may
Speaker 1: unintentionally reinforce shared beliefs. So it's perceptual misattribution, I learned
Speaker 1: is the correct.
Speaker 2: Terminology, perceptual misattribution.
Speaker 1: I like that. Well. Under this theory, it's argued that
Speaker 1: the bright light in the sky sky could have been
Speaker 1: a meteor or an aircraft, but in the emotional haze
Speaker 1: of the moment, it became something much more.
Speaker 2: Why would an aircraft freak people out or a meteor
Speaker 2: unless you know, unle, I.
Speaker 1: Still don't address the object crashing into.
Speaker 2: The pond, right and seeing the bubbles and the bubbles
Speaker 2: and the lights.
Speaker 3: And the light and now did not a newspaper reporter
Speaker 3: get a photograph of the like with the.
Speaker 1: Lightline want to look? So, I mean, yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: sounds like a Project Blue book. I'm surprised I don't
Speaker 1: see that one in there and their official reports, you know,
Speaker 1: perceptual mass attribution or misattribution misattribution military experiment, which we
Speaker 1: hear often. Another theory suggesting that the object was a
Speaker 1: secret military aircraft or type of drone that malfunctioned and crashed.
Speaker 1: The lantern in this case would have just been a
Speaker 1: nice easy scapegoat to divert attention from the military. So
Speaker 1: I would suspect the military would have something better than
Speaker 1: an old, rusty railroad era lantern. But I guess it's plausible.
Speaker 1: And then some just argue as a meteorite and it
Speaker 1: fell into the pond.
Speaker 2: That's pause, that's fine, yep.
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't get in there with you know,
Speaker 3: if it was an iron meteorite. They probably didn't go
Speaker 3: in there with metal detecting equipment or anything.
Speaker 1: And they feel the lantern was just a coincidence. But
Speaker 1: then how did it get turned on if it was glowing?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And and like you said, if people really believed it
Speaker 1: was a meteorite, wouldn't they send divers back down maybe
Speaker 1: to look for remnants of.
Speaker 3: A meteorite, particularly since they're worth an awful lot of money.
Speaker 2: I aren't they valuable, very valuable.
Speaker 3: There was that one I think it was in the
Speaker 3: seventies where in peak skill New York, meteorite hit the
Speaker 3: back of a woman's car, you know when cars had
Speaker 3: big trunks.
Speaker 2: It went right through the trunk.
Speaker 3: Into the ground, and she sold the car and the
Speaker 3: meteorite to a museum for a lot of money, a
Speaker 3: lot of money. So if they really thought it was
Speaker 3: a meteorite that went into the pond, a lot more
Speaker 3: effort would have been put into that.
Speaker 1: I would suspect so. And well, maybe now we're talking
Speaker 1: about it, some divers out there going, heyre was that
Speaker 1: pond again?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, not a bad idea to go in And
Speaker 3: you know now that it could be a stony media, right,
Speaker 3: but I think predominantly they're iron based, you know, metallic.
Speaker 3: So you go in there with some good equipment or
Speaker 3: even probably don't even have to dive.
Speaker 2: You can probably do it off of a boat.
Speaker 1: And if it's iron, it would be magnetic, right, So
Speaker 1: those magnets people use the magnet fishing.
Speaker 3: You can try magnet fishing or just do a do
Speaker 3: a scan of the whole lake bottom and see see
Speaker 3: if there's any large metallic returns.
Speaker 1: Well, if anybody does that, please let us know.
Speaker 2: I'll be there y road trip.
Speaker 1: Do we have a way to scan the bottom, because
Speaker 1: I'll go with you.
Speaker 2: Ah, not yet.
Speaker 1: Buried under how many years of muck? And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to mention here that oftentimes when people
Speaker 1: talk about this event, they kind of refer to it
Speaker 1: as how explanations are giving, and they relate it to
Speaker 1: Roswell and Kesburg. So I thought, maybe if you didn't
Speaker 1: mind touching upon those two events and how they sort
Speaker 1: of washed them away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably everybody knows something about Roswell. Late June early July,
Speaker 3: something something crashed near Roswell, New Mexico. July of forty seven.
Speaker 3: A rancher, Matt Brazl goes and says, hey, there's this
Speaker 3: debris all over my fields, and the military comes picks
Speaker 3: it all up, and first they announce they've found a
Speaker 3: flying disc. I mean the military. It's not you know,
Speaker 3: oh Joe reporter saying that the military announces they found
Speaker 3: a flying disc. And then the next day, oh, wait,
Speaker 3: did we know it turned out to be a balloon?
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, they don't know this. This group
Speaker 3: that was at this air Force base, it was a
Speaker 3: nuclear bomber group. And if your staff doesn't who has
Speaker 3: their finger on the trigger of nuclear bombs doesn't know
Speaker 3: a metallic flying saucer from some aluminum foil like balloon.
Speaker 3: So maybe it was a military object that crashed. Maybe
Speaker 3: it was something far stranger, but to this day they're
Speaker 3: sticking with the it was a mogul balloon that you know,
Speaker 3: one of those things that go has carries instruments and
Speaker 3: goes high in the atmosphere. And so that that was
Speaker 3: that explanation. Kesburg, where I've been, they have a I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's fiberglass. This was an acorn shaped object.
Speaker 3: They have a big fiberglass acorn mounted on a pole
Speaker 3: to commemorate. December ninth, nineteen sixty five, Kesburg, Pennsylvania, which
Speaker 3: is out in western Pennsylvania. A fireball was seen streaking
Speaker 3: through the sky in Canada and six different states and
Speaker 3: locals saw this object seemed to maneuver, not go in
Speaker 3: a straight line, and crash in the woods. The official
Speaker 3: report was it was just a meteor, which was never found.
Speaker 3: Years later NASA said, oh, no, we found pieces of
Speaker 3: a Soviet satellite, but we lost the report.
Speaker 2: The report's gone, What the hell.
Speaker 1: You lose that?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So the military descended very quickly. Where they came from.
Speaker 3: Nobody's quite sure because Kesburg, I don't believe there are
Speaker 3: any military bases close by, but they cordon off the
Speaker 3: whole area. Supposedly a group of volunteer firefighters and others
Speaker 3: saw this roughly eight foot by twelve foot acorn shaped
Speaker 3: metallic craft in the woods. Many people saw a flatbed
Speaker 3: truck with a object that could have been a large
Speaker 3: acorn shape with a tarp over it being taken away,
Speaker 3: and the official report was, we found absolutely nothing, nothing
Speaker 3: to see here. It was a meteor. So, and I
Speaker 3: want to mention July eighteenth through twentieth is the Kecksburg
Speaker 3: UFO Festival. So if you're going to be anywhere near
Speaker 3: western Pennsylvania or want to go out and you know,
Speaker 3: here here the stories. There's still people out there who
Speaker 3: remember this. So there you have it, an in a
Speaker 3: acorn nutshell.
Speaker 1: You know, before I continue on, I'm going to ask,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Brian can give us a sound bite
Speaker 1: clip of Officer Barb Brady saying, move along, nothing to
Speaker 1: see here, move along, and we could just occasionally when
Speaker 1: we need to just insert it as needed.
Speaker 2: Great idea, because it's sort of.
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at with the Carbondale incident. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a very rapid response, it's vague official state mints.
Speaker 1: Basically a population the people left with more questions and answers,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's all it's left to be. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like the carbon Dyl incident, doesn't take on the popularity
Speaker 1: that like Kexsburg or even well definitely Roswell. I mean
Speaker 1: I think even people that aren't even remotely interested in
Speaker 1: ufology know about Roswell. You know. I think that's sort
Speaker 1: of like in the popular culture at this point, takes
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a UFO nerd like me
Speaker 1: or you right to see a little bit familiar with
Speaker 1: places like Kexburgh.
Speaker 3: But I think even to you to drive miles out
Speaker 3: of your way to see a large fiberglass acorn, to
Speaker 3: do that, now, oh yeah, it's cool because you know
Speaker 3: something happened there, right, You know, there were many many
Speaker 3: witnesses across six states and Canada. They saw something in
Speaker 3: the sky and it didn't have the flight characteristics of
Speaker 3: a dropping satellite, which wouldn't be maneuvering, and people saw
Speaker 3: it laying there in the woods. There's a lot to
Speaker 3: this story. We should probably cover it as a as
Speaker 3: an episode.
Speaker 1: I think we should definitely do that. I would like
Speaker 1: to still that. Let's get back to Carbondale, where it's
Speaker 1: a relatively shorter episode unfortunately, but locally Carbondale it's sort
Speaker 1: of kind of like pine Bush. You know. Pine Bush
Speaker 1: is very you know, celebrates their UFO sort of connection
Speaker 1: and it's part of their local lore, their their local culture,
Speaker 1: and it's same up in Carbondale. It's a legend that's
Speaker 1: still or story that still persists up there to this day.
Speaker 1: And in fact, like pine Bush, they're almost like they
Speaker 1: could be sister cities. They have their own Carbondale UFO Festival.
Speaker 2: And I love the name of it. It is pay
Speaker 2: I say it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is called Carbon Dalien, the Carbon Dalien Festival.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: It's very clever and it's one of the definitely came
Speaker 2: up with a good name.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it will be November eighth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Will They just had it for the first time last year.
Speaker 3: And if I'm not doing anything November eighth, I'm going.
Speaker 1: Oh trip, I'll go with you absolutely up on Route
Speaker 1: six and keep going. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's not all that far for us.
Speaker 1: I think it would be a lot of fun to
Speaker 1: go up there and see how they how they sort
Speaker 1: of remember.
Speaker 2: Right right right.
Speaker 3: And speaking of Pine Bush, if you're listening in uh May,
Speaker 3: June seventh is the next Pine Bush UFO Fair. So
Speaker 3: go to the website. All kinds of things are going on,
Speaker 3: so definitely check it out.
Speaker 1: Will be there right selling books, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I'll be speaking for I think ten
Speaker 3: ten forty five to eleven fifteen. I think I'm slotted
Speaker 3: for on the day the day of Yes, and there's
Speaker 3: a I think Nick Pope is going to be speaking
Speaker 3: in the evening at the speaker's conference.
Speaker 2: They're going to have a.
Speaker 3: SkyWatch one of the nights, I think Sunday night, and
Speaker 3: some other events. So definitely go to their website. I
Speaker 3: think it's all posted. It's it's fun.
Speaker 1: You're doing an alien makeup demo.
Speaker 2: Oh excellent.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think Carbondale kind of fits into like
Speaker 1: a lot of these small towns with these encounters and
Speaker 1: the typical cover up and the lack of answers and
Speaker 1: poor excuses.
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely something you know. And again, whether it's military, alien,
Speaker 3: you know, natural medior people see something, they see it
Speaker 3: in the sky, they see it hit in the woods,
Speaker 3: in a pond, whatever, there's some sort of debris, some
Speaker 3: sort of object, it's something. And then they're told you
Speaker 3: saw nothing, it was nothing, and that's that's an insult
Speaker 3: to witnesses. And then that's going to make your imagination
Speaker 3: run wild.
Speaker 2: Oh they're trying to cover up. It must be, you
Speaker 2: know something.
Speaker 3: Then you can have all sorts of wild interpretations of that.
Speaker 3: If it's you know, Kechsburg, if it was a Soviet
Speaker 3: satellite or some sort of other space debris, you know,
Speaker 3: that was nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's classified tech anymore. Just come out
Speaker 2: and say it, right, And.
Speaker 1: Even if at that time had said, well, we recovered
Speaker 1: some space debris, but it's classified, we can't talk about it. Right,
Speaker 1: it's space debris, it's man made. If they didn't want
Speaker 1: to disclose it with Soviet or whatever. Is it really
Speaker 1: that hard just to give enough information that explains what
Speaker 1: people saw, and you know, factual information, not this you
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. What are you talking about? That light
Speaker 1: like that, mass misattribution or whatever. So it's the vagueness
Speaker 1: and the insulting approach is what leads to so much
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theories, so much of the misinformation. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's done intentionally by the powers that
Speaker 1: be or if it's just a byproduct of their attempts
Speaker 1: to sort of make this all go away.
Speaker 2: I'll go as intentional. I'll take intentional for one hundred.
Speaker 1: Alex all right, Yeah, I have from what we've seen, definitely.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just a pattern it. You know, it just
Speaker 2: goes on and on.
Speaker 3: In small communities, it's easy to intimidate people or you know,
Speaker 3: you've got a massive military governmental body against a small
Speaker 3: town who's going to win, right, And it seems to.
Speaker 1: Me like the government, if you really wanted to do
Speaker 1: a better job, could instead of a lantern, If that's
Speaker 1: what you're excusing. No, I think recovering a small piece
Speaker 1: of meteorite would be a better idea. I'm sure the
Speaker 1: government's got little chunks of meteorite they can bring with
Speaker 1: them and sort of plant like, oh, hey, we found it.
Speaker 1: Look yeah, yeah, right, wow, we're going to take it
Speaker 1: back and study it. And but no, we're going to
Speaker 1: just say you didn't see anything except for an old
Speaker 1: railroad lantern that was rusty and.
Speaker 3: Probably didn't Yeah, we need to somebody I hope has
Speaker 3: done that test. Get that, you know, there's pictures of
Speaker 3: the lantern. Get that model lantern. Put fresh batteries in it,
Speaker 3: even though this one was a rusty, you know thing.
Speaker 3: Get a you know, fresh batteries. Toss it in the
Speaker 3: lake about the area where they found the other one,
Speaker 3: and how much does it does it? Can you take
Speaker 3: a picture of the lake at night with that lantern
Speaker 3: and does it match the photographs that the newspaper reporter took.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry my being rational here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're I think it's a good something we should
Speaker 1: look at. I like that, so you could get replicated
Speaker 1: even all these years later.
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Or does it instantly? Does the light just go out
Speaker 1: the minute the battery hits the water?
Speaker 2: I would think that it's uh not going to work underwater.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's water resisting like for rain maybe, but not.
Speaker 2: It's not no for hours and hours. I wouldn't. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't think so, but that's.
Speaker 1: What I have to agree to. So any closing thoughts, uh, No, go.
Speaker 3: To a UFO festival, whether it's Kexburg, Carbondale or Pine Bush.
Speaker 3: If you enjoy this, you meet people of uh you
Speaker 3: know who have great stories. There's always great street food too,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, bring your kids, they might get
Speaker 3: interested in UFOs or they just might have fun, you
Speaker 3: know with plastic aliens. But yeah, it's you never know
Speaker 3: who you're going to meet or what stories you're going
Speaker 3: to here and again thanks to the law enforcement officers,
Speaker 3: great report. This is why we do what we do
Speaker 3: to get reports like that, so anyone else. As you've
Speaker 3: seen over the years, we don't give out names unless
Speaker 3: you want us to.
Speaker 2: So we just want the data, We want the stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and can you just before we close, give us
Speaker 1: the name of your new Civil War book.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: It is called A Civil War Soldier and Me and
Speaker 3: it Hopefully by the time you're listening to this, it's
Speaker 3: available on Amazon, but it's already available on Barnes and Noble,
Speaker 3: and I will have copies, hopefully if the mail system
Speaker 3: gets them to me in time for the UFO fair.
Speaker 1: So here's a question, now, this is a very serious question.
Speaker 1: Would you rather be abducted by aliens? Or index of Books?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, take me now, take me now, indexing? Oh
Speaker 2: you and I both know it is hell. Yes, it
Speaker 2: is hell.
Speaker 3: I no, no, I'm still having nightmares four days of we'll, we'll,
Speaker 3: I'll have to tell you the whole story.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but yes, okay, I would take the abduction
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, yep, yep, drill a hole through my skull.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: It's less painful, all.
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