1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Time that celebrate that previous team sport known to man 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,000 where modern day gladiators collide for all about glory. 3 00:00:06,719 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: On the grid Eye. 4 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 3: Let's talk some college football, a lot of Cougar Sports 5 00:00:10,759 --> 00:00:12,039 with Ben Kripple. 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,919 Speaker 1: Welcome back Cougar Sports, one of three point nine ninety 7 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:17,440 eight point three ESP and the Fan Ronald the three 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,079 Man Weaver Here ap our version of AP by my side, 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Brett always bringing the hammer on the mic as well 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,519 Vic Graham on the data aggregation. Getting into our last 11 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:30,559 segment in the final hour of Cougar Sports, gonna discuss 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,000 all things related college football with a Big twelve insider. 13 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:37,320 College football insider. He knows a lot about casetate, but 14 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:39,320 also a lot about the Big Twelve. One of my 15 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:41,600 favorite guests to have on this show. If he was 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,320 only local, maybe I need to ask him about his 17 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:45,479 jump shot. I know he probably hooped. You know, he's 18 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:48,280 silky smooth, about six foot six foot one. 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,399 Speaker 4: He's got he's got long arms. I guarantee he can 20 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,280 lock some people up. 21 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: So don't know if he was that or if he 22 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,640 you know, played football, or if he was a track star. 23 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:57,479 Speaker 4: I might have to ask him. 24 00:00:57,479 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever asked this guest this, but 25 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,840 I'll ask him here momentarily, this college football segment going 26 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,560 to be brought to you by Utah Protective Films. To 27 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,439 be looking for a rap, a tent or a crumb 28 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,760 delete for your vehicle. All I asked that you hit 29 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,760 up our guy, Jared Bledsoe. He's the one that will 30 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,239 take care of you. 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That's eight zero one, eight hundred 41 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:39,120 ninety seven sixty seven to schedule your appointment today a 42 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Utah Protective Films dot com without further ado, Let's get 43 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,680 out to the ESPN the fan outline and welcome in 44 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,519 the person that writes for open for business. He is 45 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,439 also on casey Sports Network, one of our favorite guests. 46 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,159 Love to have him. I got to ask him now 47 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:55,040 if he played hoop in high school. We got John 48 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Kertch on the line. John, how we doing brother? 49 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: Hey, I am doing well. So I was cut from 50 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:05,200 the freshman basketball team at Blue Valley West High School, 51 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,360 but I will point out my class won the state 52 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:11,039 championship the senior year, my senior year, so it was 53 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,439 at least like it was a good crop. Listen, I 54 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:17,479 am a five to nine white guy. I'm not super athletic, 55 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,439 but I can shoot. Man. I can shoot the hell 56 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:21,039 out of the ball. There is you know. I'm a 57 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,080 five nine. I'm a five nine white guy. So if 58 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,960 you need someone to knock down some jumpers, I can 59 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:27,319 definitely do that. You can ask people who played. I 60 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,520 took people by surprise at the k State Rack back 61 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,919 in the day because they would take one look at 62 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,080 me and think I didn't have much. They give me 63 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,960 space to shoot. Man, I start knocking down trays. 64 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,759 Speaker 1: I always say, if hand down, man down, light the 65 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:39,719 ass up. That's what my dad would tell me in 66 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,479 my ear. Yeah, Glad, you would fit well right here 67 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,000 in Provo because three yu is a big thing BYU 68 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,439 shoots a lot of threes. So maybe what we needed 69 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:49,080 to do was just have you out here for a 70 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,199 little bit, you know, play and then move back, because hey, 71 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:54,360 people shoot threes out here. Man, they all shoot threes. 72 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,000 I can tell you that everybody. No one likes to drive. 73 00:02:57,199 --> 00:02:57,719 Speaker 4: That's all we do. 74 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm with it, because yeah, I can't drive, but 75 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:04,319 I will knock some threes down for you. I got you. 76 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:05,039 Speaker 4: Knock some threes down. 77 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of threes, can't, let's start with this, Kansas State 78 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:12,080 looking to avoid that number three third loss this weekend 79 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:14,840 in conference play taking on the Red Raiders Texas Tech. 80 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:18,840 Your early thoughts on this matchup k State. You know 81 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,680 they've knocked the Baron Morgan, the starting quarterback out of 82 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:25,199 this game before. This is a tough matchup. I think 83 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:27,479 more for the Ray Raiders than Kansas State in my opinion. 84 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,479 Speaker 3: It's to me, I'm kind of two minds of this. 85 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,080 I think, like situationally, it has all the makings of 86 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,639 a team that should be on upset alert in Texas 87 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:41,039 Tech because one, you've alluded to it already, you've got 88 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,680 a huge game next week that they're looking ahead to, 89 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,919 potentially the possibility would be out there right that that 90 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,560 could happen, and you know, Reece Davis is already like 91 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:52,759 teasing maybe College game Day being in Lubbock for that game, 92 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,039 Like it's I mean, there's every reason for Texas Tech 93 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,199 to be like Man next week. That's the one. Kse 94 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,240 State's four and four. But Case State, if you've been 95 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,039 watching and paying attention, they're kind of to me, they're 96 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,479 very similar to twenty twenty four Kansas where terrible start, 97 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:12,879 really disappointing, but now midway through the year they've found 98 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,199 themselves and they're playing like a team that's much better 99 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,040 than a four and fourteen. You throw in the fact 100 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,439 that it's going to be a juice home atmosphere. I 101 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,160 can tell you the crowd is going to be by 102 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,839 far the best that it's been this year at Bill 103 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,360 Snyder Family Stadium, because nobody's had a game like this 104 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:31,160 to get foed up about the entire year. They lost 105 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:35,639 on August twenty third in Ireland and came back, and 106 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:37,319 by the time they were back, they were playing North 107 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:40,120 Dakota and Case State barely won that game. Then they're 108 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,360 losing to Army. Then it feels like the season's basically 109 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:45,279 over there just has not been a home game with 110 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,519 the juice that this one is going to have. So 111 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,959 I think everybody's feeling like it's kind of a second 112 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,680 lease on life in the season where it was like 113 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,079 we thought we weren't going to get a single game 114 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,319 like this this year, so let's take advantage of this. 115 00:04:57,399 --> 00:04:59,800 So it's going to be rocking. And then you throw 116 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,160 on tof of that that, Texas Tech just has not 117 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,360 been able to beat k State at all recently. So 118 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:07,399 Texas Tech has lost eight straight and twelve of the 119 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:11,000 last thirteen against KSE State. The only respite in there 120 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,519 was Patrick Mahomes beating KSE State in twenty fifteen. But 121 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,560 Tech the last time they won in Manhattan that game 122 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:20,639 was Mike Leach versus Ron Prince in two thousand and eight, 123 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,879 if that helps date it for you. So this has 124 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:27,680 not been a good matchup for Texas Tech. Long way 125 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,040 to say that. Now, the other part of me that 126 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:31,959 looks at it and says, none of that's going to 127 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,879 help you block Romelo Height and David Bailey off the edge. 128 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:37,519 None of that matters. And k State's offensive line has 129 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:40,040 not been a team strength this year at all. I 130 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,879 think they've gotten better, but it's not as strong an 131 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:44,519 offensive line as what Case State has had, And I 132 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,560 think that's what you worry about is the game wrecking 133 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,399 ability of Texas Tech's defense. Tech has been about as 134 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:52,839 good against the run as almost anybody in the country too, 135 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:55,279 and Case State's running game has been very pedestrian without 136 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:57,439 Dylan Edwards, who frankly I think is probably not going 137 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,759 to play the rest of the year. So you've got 138 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,160 a really average running back room. Outside of that, Case 139 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,040 State may be kind of one dimensional, but they've been 140 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:08,279 winning while being one dimensional. That's what they have. They 141 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,959 have a downfield passing game and it's really good for 142 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,279 all the crap Avery Johnson has taken in his career 143 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:16,920 for you know, rival fans calling him glorified running back. 144 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,560 Turned into a guy that his biggest weapons throwing the 145 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,399 ball down the field. He's been great at it and 146 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,519 really killed Kansas with his arm last week. So that's 147 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,160 kind of how it sets up. I feel like, you know, 148 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:31,279 the actual matchup I don't feel great about, but situational 149 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:33,879 stuff I feel really good about. So what does that 150 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,199 mean in the end. I think KSE State has a 151 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:39,639 real shot, but I would still be surprised if it happened. 152 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:41,399 Speaker 4: John how do. 153 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: You assess Kansas State as a whole, because I feel 154 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,240 like the last two years, Kansas State was supposed to 155 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,040 be the blue blood. When Texas and Oklahoma left, K 156 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,920 State was supposed to be one of the teams that 157 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,800 ran the conference, and Avery Johnson everyone was talking about 158 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,480 him and that I think it was Texas sek when 159 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,160 he had those five rushing touchdowns his freshman year. I 160 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,680 feel like we keep waiting for k State to arrive 161 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,759 and be the big dog in the conference, and clearly 162 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,360 Avery Johnson's good enough. You play a game like last 163 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,439 week where they just kind of dominate Kansas how do 164 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:15,720 you kind of assess and break down why k State 165 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,040 is not the blue blood, the big dog of the 166 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:19,959 Big Twelve. 167 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: Yet and you sell like kse State Twitter, I'll be 168 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,920 I'll be honest, though, I mean, look, hey, I get 169 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,560 the point. Like I think K State fans thought they 170 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,639 were headed for that after twenty twenty two when they 171 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:34,879 won the Big Twelve title, brought Will Howard and a 172 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,199 bunch of talent back in that twenty twenty three season 173 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:40,279 and twenty three and twenty four they were close, you know, 174 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:41,920 I mean, they were close to getting back there and 175 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,199 doing it again. Twenty three. You know, they had a 176 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,800 game that'll haunt him. Will Howard probably had a touchdown 177 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:51,600 in overtime against Texas if he chooses the correct running lane. 178 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:54,439 They wind up not getting it on fourth and goal 179 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,519 a couple of plays later, lose that game. That was 180 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,360 really the difference in them making it to the Big 181 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:02,600 twelve champion game or not. And then last year they 182 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,560 start seven to one and they're at Houston, a game 183 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,920 that they should win, and they're up double digits and 184 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,480 all of a sudden, a bad interception really turned the 185 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,240 tide in that game in the second half, and things, 186 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,560 you know, the wheels kind of fell off, and you 187 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,199 could point and say, hey, well a lot of that's 188 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:19,040 the youth of Averray Johnson last year. But then this year, 189 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,399 I mean, it just feels like this year has been 190 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,600 kind of ill fated from the beginning. I don't think, 191 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,639 you know, if they would have not done the Ireland thing, 192 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,319 they'd be playing Iowa State probably right about now in 193 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:31,959 the schedule, which they've lost three straight. And that looks 194 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:33,360 like a game that I mean, Case State looks like 195 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:36,120 the better team right now, so that could certainly help 196 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,440 your record and the Arizona Army games. Had they just 197 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,519 played with efforts, you know, I mean, they just were 198 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:44,759 playing like they didn't care at the beginning of the season. 199 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,080 That's a hard one to explain. I don't know exactly 200 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,799 what happened there, but I think it's pretty easy. The 201 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:53,639 four losses are by a combined thirteen points, I believe, 202 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,879 so it's really easy to go back and reverse engineer 203 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:59,320 how this season could have been much different. But I mean, 204 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,120 I think you kind of hit on where the fan 205 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:03,759 frustration's at with Chris Climban, where it's like he's he 206 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:06,240 had the one breakthrough year with a big twelve championship. 207 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,919 Other than that, you know, the joke around the fan 208 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,600 base is kind of like eight and four, you know, 209 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,559 And in fact, like some people have been saying, hey, 210 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,480 you know, they're going for the reverse climb this year. 211 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,480 To just went out and be eight and four by 212 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,519 the end of the year, that would be really showcasing 213 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:23,000 how inevitable the eight and four is with climbing. But 214 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:25,600 that's case, Dave. Fans frustration is can you get over 215 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:29,039 that hump? And I think some of the criticism about 216 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,159 it would be he's maybe not ruthless enough to do that. 217 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:34,799 He's stuck with the same staff for a while. There 218 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,919 probably has not been enough turnover on that staff. A 219 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,919 lot of internal hires when somebody does leave, and a 220 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:43,039 lot of people would tell you, Hey, the difference in 221 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:45,440 the Big twelve championship year was that Colin clemb became 222 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,879 the offensive coordinator, and credit Chris Climb for making that move. 223 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,200 He did fire one of his longtime friends, Forty Messing 224 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,360 him as the OC, and then hired Colin Climb. But 225 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:56,480 Colin was already there within the program. That was kind 226 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:59,159 of a gimmea and we're seeing what he's doing at 227 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:01,120 Texas A and M with that offense right now. And Colin, 228 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,679 I mean, I can almost guarantee you he's going to 229 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,840 get a power for head coaching job this offseason. So 230 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,759 he was a star that was right in your lap. 231 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:09,200 And I think people look at it and say, well, 232 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,320 was that the only reason that you had the twenty 233 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,440 twenty two breakthrough year and everything else? You're just going 234 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,720 to be kind of this this decent but not great program. 235 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:19,039 So I think that's some of the conundrum that you 236 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,039 have there cents. Climent's are really good, dude. I genuinely 237 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,360 think he's a really good human being, and I kind 238 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,480 of think to be a great head head coach in 239 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,240 college football a lot of times you may need more 240 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,759 edge to you than that. I know. Colonie Sataki's another 241 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:35,399 example that guy that I think is just a great 242 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,759 human being, and he's clearly been really successful with that. 243 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,039 But I don't know if if Climban is cut frowd enough, 244 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,240 you know. I mean, he said this postgame press conference 245 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,039 after Kansas driver drove some fans nuts. He said he 246 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,879 was talking about how tight he is with Lance Lightpold, 247 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:51,279 and he said, Hey, if I wasn't the head coach 248 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,720 in Case Date, I might root for Lance to win 249 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:55,279 this game because I know how bad he wants to 250 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,960 win it. The same days did not like that, but 251 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,279 I mean, that's that's kind of how he is. So 252 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,200 I think that maybe a piece of what's going on here. 253 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: I mean that sounds a lot like what Colonie Stocky 254 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,000 had to say about Kyle Whittingham, and I think a 255 00:11:06,039 --> 00:11:07,120 lot of fans felt the same. 256 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 4: So I don't think it's just the Case State Kansas problem. 257 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: I have done some research though, John and I have 258 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,960 discovered I can pinpoint you the exact problem with KSE State. 259 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,519 It was taking the game. It was taking the game 260 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,240 in Ireland, That's what it was. Because after Florida State 261 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:22,679 played they went to and ten. After Nebraska played there, 262 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,519 they went four and a. I truly think, however much 263 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,559 money Brett Yormark is offering schools to go over and 264 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,200 play in Ireland, just say no, it's not worth it, 265 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,159 because it seems like the teams who go over and 266 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,399 play in Ireland, man, they just get cursed. 267 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,639 Speaker 3: It's definitely seemingly a thing now, you know, it's we're 268 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,200 getting enough data here where it seems to be. And 269 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,480 KSE State fans, I mean, look, the fan base was 270 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:49,759 not real happy about that case. State was the team 271 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:52,240 that gave up a home game. So, you know, Iowa 272 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:55,879 status turned into debatably the bigger rival of the two 273 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,679 between Kansas, just because it's been you know, much more 274 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,279 competitive series than what's happened with Kansas and the home 275 00:12:02,279 --> 00:12:04,639 schedule this year. Now there's only six home games. You 276 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,799 took away the most marquee game on the schedule. You 277 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:10,559 keep losing, you know, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri Nebraska, all 278 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,679 these teams that like meant something on the schedule over 279 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,399 the years that have gone away, So fans are just like, 280 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,080 what now you're going to take this one away from us? 281 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:18,000 And I think the idea was that they were going 282 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,240 to get like two million dollars out of it, which, 283 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,480 like I understand the athletic departments need all the money 284 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,799 that they can get, but you know, it's really worth 285 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:26,799 it in the end, and especially like I mentioned, now 286 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:29,360 that you see how the Iowa State season has broken, 287 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,480 you would feel much better about playing that game right 288 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,639 now than you would have in Week zero where it 289 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,480 was actually at. So I think it could not have 290 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,879 possibly worked out worse to be honest for Case State there, 291 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:42,679 and Climban has himself to blame Jean Taylor, Case State's 292 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,559 athletic director, assuming that they're not lying about the story 293 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,159 how this happened. They got approached about it, and Jane 294 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,200 figured Climbing would never say yes to do that, but 295 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,279 Climban decided to do it after talking to some people 296 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,360 and thinking it would be a great opportunity for the kids, 297 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,240 and YadA YadA. So is Climbing that pulled the trigger 298 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,120 on doing it, So there you go. I guess back 299 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:04,759 to my previous statement, maybe the fans would tell you 300 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,240 he should have been more cutthroat in not doing that. 301 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: It's an interesting take. You bring up Iowa State. 302 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: I want to go there because there's still people who say, oh, well, 303 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:18,120 Byu hasn't played anybody. And while I do think b 304 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,159 why you didn't necessarily get Iowa State's best shot because 305 00:13:21,159 --> 00:13:23,519 I think they're one of the better big teams in 306 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,840 the Big twelve. What was your takeaway from that game 307 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:30,039 and are you still of the opinion BOU hasn't played anybody, 308 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,440 or do you think that they have earned a spot 309 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,159 as a top ten team in college football? 310 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: No, they've earned it. I mean, look, I've been looking 311 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,759 this week at a lot of the power pools still 312 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:42,919 really like Utah. Like I think Utah is still a 313 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,480 really good win. And that game, you know, I mean 314 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,399 you saw kind of has an excuse me touchdown there 315 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:49,320 at the end of the game. There's one play the 316 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,000 ball that Chase Roberts in the end zone. It was 317 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,639 close to being like a seventeen point game, and maybe 318 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:55,759 people would feel a little bit differently about that too, 319 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:59,080 had that actually happened. But like Josh Paate I know 320 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,840 his power pull had Utah in the top twenty this week. 321 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,240 Tom Fernelli from CDs Sports at his I mean BYU 322 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,720 fans won't like this, but has actually had Utah in 323 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:12,200 he ranks the top twelve. He had Utah in the 324 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,200 top twelve and BYU not there because the power rankings 325 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,320 like Utah that much. So first of all, I would 326 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,000 hold that win up and winning your names, I mean 327 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:24,120 and winning by two scores like yeah, I mean, I'm 328 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,879 gonna say b Yu has earned it by doing that. 329 00:14:27,879 --> 00:14:31,159 That was Iowa State well rested, right coming off of 330 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,320 buy in front of their home crowd. You talk about 331 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,960 situational stuff. That is a spot where, like situationally, everything 332 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,519 is pointing toward Iowa State winning that game, which is 333 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:42,639 why they were They were a Vegas favorite right and 334 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,240 buy you just they have like an it factor to him, man, 335 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:49,159 they have an IT factor that is able to go 336 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,519 win games like that and pull pull games out of 337 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,879 the fire. I think is really the bigger point about that, 338 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,399 being able to pull a game out of the fire 339 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,840 where it looks like you're you're down and out, you're 340 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,200 in a lot of trouble. In that first to half, 341 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,960 it looked like BYU was in a ton of trouble, 342 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,720 especially while knowing what they were up against from a 343 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:09,120 situational standpoint. So no, I don't. I don't lend a 344 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:10,759 lot of credence towards that. The other thing I would 345 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:13,559 just say is like, can we give BYU some credit 346 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,600 for having done this for a second straight year? Like, 347 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:17,559 I mean, they should have some good will built up 348 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:21,039 as far as just trusting them as a program now 349 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,000 being that they did it last year and then people 350 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,120 doubted after they lost the Kansas game, and it's like, hey, 351 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,279 they finish off in the bowl game and spank Colorado 352 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,840 and win eleven games. Now here they are at eight 353 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:33,080 to z again, Like at some point you gotta just 354 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:36,320 trust that, like, hey, this this program just win wins games. Man, 355 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,440 That's that's what they're doing right now. So no, I don't. 356 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:41,320 I don't subscribe to much of a theory that they 357 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,879 that they haven't played anybody. 358 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned just some some of the rankings out there. 359 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:50,799 You got Josh Payton and all that. So I wanted 360 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,960 to go here, We've got the College Football Playoff, the 361 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,840 first ranking coming out next Tuesday. Do you think that 362 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:00,919 they respect BYU. Where do you think they put BYU? 363 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,080 And where do they put most of the big twelve 364 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:03,679 do you think? 365 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,759 Speaker 3: I mean fault is to never give them much benefit 366 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:12,159 of the doubt in terms of what they're going to 367 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:15,600 do for the for the league. You just always assume 368 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:18,559 the worst, hope for the best, assume the worst. So 369 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,600 you know, let's go look at the I got this 370 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,279 up right. I was gonna say they just peak at 371 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:27,679 the A people, because I do think that the College 372 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Football Playoffs election Committee is generally not going to deviate 373 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:34,039 a ton from the A people. So I would guess 374 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:36,080 that BYU is going to be in the top twelve. 375 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:39,200 But I mean, it wouldn't shock me if they're eleven 376 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,120 or twelve. It wouldn't shock me if Notre Dame, for instance, 377 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:44,360 winds up in front of them. As crazy as that is. 378 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,519 With their two losses, Can they crack the top ten? 379 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,559 Speaker 1: Can it be like a number nine? Because I got floor, 380 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:52,799 I got ceiling, six, floor, thirteen, That's how I have it. 381 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,639 Could you see them anywhere between the seven and nine range. 382 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good and that's a pretty 383 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:01,960 good ceiling and floor. So I don't know. I just 384 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,000 wouldn't put the ceiling that high. Again, not based on 385 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,200 meritt but based on what I would think that they 386 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,640 will do. No, I would bet that they'll be ten 387 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,160 to eleven or twelve. I would bet strongly, unfortunately, And 388 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:15,000 I mean, look, I would love to be wrong, and 389 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:17,480 I hope I'm wrong, and I don't think that Texas 390 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,119 Tech well, I guess you know, we'll see what happens 391 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,720 this weekend. If we assume that Texas Tech wins, I 392 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,160 don't think that Texas Tech's going to be in the 393 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,200 top twelve, you know, if we're talking about like the 394 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,079 rest of the league. So and then at the back end, 395 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,839 it's just kind of a it's kind of a crapshoot 396 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,079 when you get to the back end like Cincinnati. If 397 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,279 they win this weekend, I mean, they should definitely be 398 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,000 like in the top fifteen, but they're not going to 399 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:41,480 be in the top twelve. I think even if they 400 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,039 go win that game on the road at Utah and 401 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,160 then it's like, you know, Houston will hopefully be ranked. 402 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,680 But that is the type of team that I could 403 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,440 see them leaving out because look, if there is one 404 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,720 team that you want to if you want to criticize 405 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,359 the schedule of a Big Twelve team, it is Houston. 406 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,680 I mean, you go look at Houston's played who they 407 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,759 have played. I don't and a lot of time talking 408 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:02,440 about that because it's such a cool story, and like 409 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Willie Fritz is just doing what he always does, which 410 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,960 is when and you can only play who's out there 411 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,279 in front of you. But if you do really want 412 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,759 to attack a strength to schedule into Big Twelve, it 413 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,880 is Houston. So it would be harder for me to 414 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,759 whine and complain about that. But up toward the top, no, 415 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,000 I'm not expecting great news for the Big Twelve, to 416 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:19,720 be quite honest. 417 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:22,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you're not wrong in that. I think 418 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,039 that's honest. 419 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:24,839 Speaker 1: If for a take, well what the committee has done, 420 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,680 so wouldn't be surprised by that. And that leads to 421 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,519 this question of will the Big Twelve get two teams 422 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:31,839 in the College Football Playoff? 423 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty unlikely, although I will say that 424 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,960 Andy Staples, who does a bracketology every week for on three, 425 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,200 he at least had three Big Twelve teams on the graphic. 426 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:48,640 Now only one was in, and then I think it 427 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:51,759 was so as BYU was in, and then it was 428 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,240 Cincinnati and Texas Tech both in, like the first four 429 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,759 out I think there was one team in front of 430 00:18:58,759 --> 00:19:01,359 them on that list, So that at least gave me 431 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,640 a little more like optimism, like, hey, at least right 432 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,480 now you know they're getting respect like they're because I 433 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,839 felt like at this time last year is when the 434 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,359 conversation started slanting toward will wait is the Big twelve 435 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,640 even going to get anybody in? Like maybe we'll have 436 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,240 two G five champs here, you know, depending on what 437 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,079 happens with Tulane an Army. And so I'm happy at 438 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,519 least that the conversation seems to be starting there where 439 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:27,160 you've got a shot. But you know, part of the 440 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,119 problem is just that, again with this league, everybody is 441 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,799 so bunched up, they're so similar, and teams are going 442 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,839 to be playing here down the stretch. I I just 443 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,079 fear that it works out in a way that's that's 444 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,920 really advantageous for the league. And I think that the 445 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,640 second BYU loses a game, if that happens, I think 446 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,119 the second the Texas Tech loses a second game, if 447 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,640 that happens, Cincinnati, I just always feel like they're waiting 448 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,480 to drop them like a rock. I mean, we saw 449 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:55,240 Texas Tech drop seven spots for losing by four on 450 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,759 the road at Arizona State with a backup quarterback. You know, 451 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:02,480 I mean it, it's that's the way it goes. So 452 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,240 I would say, no, the odds are definitely likely that 453 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,119 that will not happen. But once again, hope I'm wrong, 454 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,519 and I'm not saying that that's that that's right or 455 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,240 justified it. 456 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:15,279 Speaker 1: Anyway, the odds are not in forever, not in your 457 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:16,599 favorite hashtag hunger games. 458 00:20:16,599 --> 00:20:19,079 Speaker 4: A little tongue in cheeker right there, John, I wish 459 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:19,920 we had more time. 460 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,839 Speaker 1: I'll finish with this question because I do want to 461 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:25,680 get your thoughts on this expanding to college football playoff 462 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,920 to twenty four teams, yes or no? 463 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 4: Why or why not? 464 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: So to me, it is kind of conditional here because 465 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,680 I mean, I don't on principle, no, I do not 466 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,519 like extending the playoff. I like a completely meaningful regular season. 467 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:43,960 I say this, and it makes people mad sometimes, But 468 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,400 if we could go back to even just the BCS, 469 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,400 where you pick two teams and the regular season has 470 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,720 so much meaning where you know, I mean, you just 471 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,200 slip up once that might be it. I think that's 472 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,880 like one of the things that make college football really 473 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,519 really unique, and I just feel like we move, you know, 474 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:02,799 we're moving further and further from that now. A lot 475 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,359 of that too, is that, you know, we're getting rid 476 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,680 of all these rivalry games with realignment, and there are 477 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,759 a number of things that have contributed to moving away 478 00:21:09,759 --> 00:21:11,799 from just why college football was so unique, but that 479 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:15,200 I just think that era. You know, I'm nostalgic for 480 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,640 that era where dude, you had to be totally locked 481 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,319 in and dialed in every single regular season game. Okay, 482 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,599 so there's that perspective on it. But if the twenty 483 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,440 fourteen playoff means that we're getting what the Big ten is, 484 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,559 I'm trying to remember us Ellen's term like verbalizing right now, 485 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,160 they're kicking around the idea behind the scenes of a 486 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,920 playoff that would include three or four auto bids for 487 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,640 every single power for conference and everybody would have the 488 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,519 same amount. So, for instance, that could mean you'd have 489 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:48,799 like a twenty fourteen playoff where the Big twelve gets 490 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:52,000 four autobids, same number of autobids as the SEC, Big 491 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:56,240 ten and ACC And if that is the case then, 492 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,799 just from a purely you know, survival standpoint for the 493 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:05,079 Big Twelve, can I be sitting, Hey, I'd rather not 494 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,599 work out where the Big twelve gets equal playoff access 495 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,359 and they get four teams every year in there. It's 496 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,480 hard for me to go against that just from a 497 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:15,000 you know, what's good for a Big twelve business standpoint. 498 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,279 So if you're gonna tell me it's twenty four teams 499 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:20,400 and it winds up being one of those formats which 500 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:22,359 long way to go on that and they would have 501 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,000 to convince the SEC. And you know, I understand that, 502 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,000 and I get the people kind of recoil when they 503 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,119 hear that and think, oh, that's ridiculous. It would never happen. 504 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,880 Maybe not, but it's at least being out there reported 505 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,519 right now by Ross Dellinger that the Big Ten is 506 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:39,319 kind of acquiescing to that. I would have a hard 507 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:42,640 time saying no to that, especially since we're already as 508 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,200 much as I pined for the days as we could 509 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,920 go back to, hey, just two teams play for the 510 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,920 Tyler or whatever, like the toothpastes out of the tube 511 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,880 on that, Like we're just barreling toward adding more and 512 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,720 more teams. They're trying to do it to the basketball 513 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,279 tournament too, right, So all it does seem to have 514 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,759 just an air of an inevitability to it that, you know, 515 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:03,119 I'm kind of reluctantly like, all right, if you're gonna 516 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,960 give us four bids, let's go, let's go to the 517 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,920 twenty fourteen thing. 518 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 4: I'm with you as well on principal. 519 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't mind sixteen teams, but if you're gonna 520 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,839 go twenty four you're right. The tube is already out 521 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720 of the two pace and we're already rolling at snowball 522 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:16,119 into that. 523 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:16,559 Speaker 3: No doubt. 524 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,519 Speaker 1: You mentioned business, though. What's the best way we can 525 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,039 support you and our listeners? What you do John, and how. 526 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,279 Speaker 4: You do it? 527 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that ron So Open for Business is 528 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,640 now the dame of my YouTube show. If you just 529 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,359 search Open for Business or John Kurtz on YouTube, you'll 530 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,200 find that there. I do a couple of live streams 531 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:36,920 a week college football from a Big twelve perspective, and 532 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,000 then I've got the Open for Business Big twelve newsletter 533 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,359 ofbnews dot com. To subscribe to that o fbnews dot 534 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,599 com to subscribe to Open for Business. 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I really 546 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680 like listening and you gotta support him to trust me. 547 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,200 Listen to the Open for Business YouTube channel. Don't miss 548 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,279 an opportunity for him to give you all things related 549 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,880 to Kansas State and Big Twelve. The Big twelve insider 550 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,279 John kurts himself. John, thanks you your time today. We 551 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:29,200 will catch up with you soon. 552 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:29,519 Speaker 4: Brother. 553 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,559 Speaker 3: Hey, I appreciate it. Ro On take care guys. 554 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,799 Speaker 1: That was John kurts Man. Guys, I wish we had 555 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,400 more time to recap that, but we got it in 556 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,319 the show. John is always great. I love having him on. 557 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,079 He's people download his interview a lot. He's up there, 558 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,160 so people really like listen from him. He's definitely super educated, 559 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,119 super in tune, knows exactly what he's talking about. And well, 560 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,359 Kansas State upset Texas Tech this weekend. I don't know 561 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,039 if I like that because I don't think the Red 562 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,400 Raiders will drop too straight. 563 00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:58,799 Speaker 4: But you never know. 564 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the hard part. It's like if they lose, 565 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,039 then there's no way they lose against you know almost 566 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:06,680 why I'm a little bit overconfident. 567 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,599 Speaker 5: I think they're going to handle Kansas State. 568 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't know. I don't know. Twelve 569 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:16,440 every game, I get it. 570 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 5: But Case State looked good last but Kansas has an 571 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:20,119 awful defense. 572 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: It's true. 573 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 5: Texas Tech does not have that bad of a defense. 574 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 4: No, they don't. 575 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: It's is also a four and fourteen, so it's not 576 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,599 as though they're just running through everybody. 577 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just Kansas State is prone to give up points. 578 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,039 Speaker 4: Guys, they are. 579 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 5: I think I think Texas questions along the defensive line. 580 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,119 I think Texas Tech wins by ten plus. 581 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Ten plus, So you got a thirteen plus victory or 582 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,839 at least ten, at least at least ten, you wouldn't 583 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:50,480 be surprised if they beat him by fourteen ten. 584 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 5: I think Kansas State could make it a game for 585 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:53,640 about a half. 586 00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: So first, I. 587 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 5: Think that Texas Tech has a superior coaching staff, and 588 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,599 I think they're better and almost every position on the field. 589 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:02,079 Speaker 4: Oh, they definitely are. 590 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,079 Speaker 1: Joey McGrath, I think the only position I would maybe 591 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,960 argue to give you a pushback of not I think 592 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,640 Avery Johnson's a very good quest well, Avery Johnson. Put 593 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,680 Avery Johnson in Texas Tech System, I think they can 594 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,200 do the same thing. 595 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,519 Speaker 5: But is Avery Johnson better than Baron Morton? I think 596 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:16,000 you can make that argument that do a degree that 597 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:17,799 I think you can. I think you have an argument there. 598 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,079 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not saying he's definitively better, saying 599 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,799 you have an argument. 600 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 4: Avery Johnson's nice. 601 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,519 Speaker 1: Like I think if you put Avery Johnson in Texas 602 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:25,599 Tech System, I think. 603 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: He Let me ask you this, if bo doesn't have 604 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,839 a quarterback, they're both in the transfer portal. Who do 605 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,400 you want Baron Morton Avery Johnson? Because to me, I 606 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,200 think the answer of the guy who I want Avery A. 607 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,759 Speaker 4: Johnson? I think Avery Johnson the run, Avery Johnson with 608 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:42,319 the running, but I don't. I think Baron Morton's underrated. 609 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,799 I really do know. I'm with you. 610 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: That. Yeah, and we're not even talking about like a 611 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:54,440 Johnson at least three times a season. 612 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,039 Speaker 5: But I think I think that Texas Tech also has 613 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,200 one of the most underrated running backs. 614 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 4: I agree like Bro Cameron Dicky can play. He's good. 615 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,200 He's good. Brocent behind Jimmark, I think roll up. 616 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,519 Speaker 1: So we'll find out on Saturday. Everybody will be tuned 617 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:11,960 in to the game. We all will be a little 618 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,759 by week action. You'll be paying attention, guys. That's our show. 619 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,920 Sticking to a shout out to everybody that joined us, 620 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,599 all of our dress John Kurtz again, subscribe to the 621 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,079 Open for Business, a newsletter. You can find the podcast 622 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,039 all your podcast networks as well as well as the 623 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,519 YouTube channel. Again, shout at the pressing the Garrett Handyhandylott 624 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,920 Utah dot Com. Aaron Kloff of RGS Exteriors bradon day 625 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,039 of Odon Men's where Can't Forget about Him? Action Jackson 626 00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,400 Jackson Paine of The Desert News. We played a couple 627 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,519 of sound bites as well of the game day committee. 628 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,559 How do they pick selections around now? We finished them. 629 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,079 Aaron rodderks, So we discussed b Yu big to a 630 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,640 basketball the preseason poll. Did they get it right? Did 631 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,279 they not get it right? 632 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:50,519 Speaker 4: Again? 633 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: If you missed an even show downloaded on the podcast 634 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,079 on iTunes, Spotify, give us a rat and give us 635 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:56,880 a reveal. We can't do this without you again, shout 636 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,799 at all of our sponsors. Can't do this without them. 637 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000 From all of us here at being the fan. We're 638 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,920 signing off for a Thursday edition October thirtith edition. We'll 639 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,359 be back tomorrow for Halloween right here on your one 640 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,519 to three point nine and ninety eight point three network. 641 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: Yes,