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<v Speaker 1>Before we begin today's episode, we'd like to provide a

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<v Speaker 1>brief clarification on behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>Of my co host Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>While today's discussion takes place within the context of a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that focuses on LGBTQ plus lifestyle topics, perspectives, and experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan wishes to note that he personally identifies as heterosexual.

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<v Speaker 1>His appearance on this program is intended to support open dialogue,

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<v Speaker 1>shared understanding, and respectful conversation across different communities and perspectives.

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<v Speaker 1>His participation should not be interpreted as a representation of

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<v Speaker 1>his own sexual orientation, but rather as an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>engage thoughtfully and constructively with the topics being discussed. We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the importance of transparency and authenticity for our audience

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<v Speaker 1>and our guests alike, and we thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation and always wanting food off culture chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>And you saved me.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a lost Christ streams your glass sales, got the

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<v Speaker 3>words that builds the last.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Cuffs Basement. I'm your co host who

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<v Speaker 1>is not as straight as Ryan uh Tim, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am with.

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<v Speaker 2>My co host, the one straight, Ryan McDonald. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan?

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<v Speaker 4>Great to be here how are you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And CC, you're probably gonna hear it, So we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it early today and you're probably gonna hear a CEC

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<v Speaker 1>running around, which makes me so angry because I told

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon she's watching CEC alone so we can do the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I should be able to hear a pin

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<v Speaker 1>drop in this house. But we have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>topic and very special guests for this series and this

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<v Speaker 1>month we do it every year to celebrate Pride Month.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the newly Married, which is so wonderful. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>major round of applause for that sound effect. It is

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Fulcini and Refall. I don't know how to say

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<v Speaker 1>your last name. Welcome back, Welcome back to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>Good to be again, back back back again.

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<v Speaker 1>Back back back again. Thank you so much for returning

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<v Speaker 1>as our resident experts on being gay to do the

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<v Speaker 1>Gayest series we do all year, every month for the past,

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<v Speaker 1>every Pride month for the past.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how.

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<v Speaker 1>Many years, because we did it before we start doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It with Fall, so do you know how many years

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<v Speaker 2>we've been doing it?

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<v Speaker 5>Mark, I feel like this is our maybe or is

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<v Speaker 5>it for the Ryan for this is the third one

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<v Speaker 5>with me. The third one was with you. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 5>we're four.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think five sounds right. The gay the

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<v Speaker 1>Gay Cinema Podcast Series or or Queer Cinema Podcast Series

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<v Speaker 1>is I think we changed it last year, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>going with a theme this year. So normally we always

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<v Speaker 1>just pick.

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<v Speaker 2>We decided like.

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<v Speaker 1>Any you know, pick anything within the community of LGBTQ.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus it can be any movie you want. Rafall refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to pick an American movie, but I found out a

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<v Speaker 1>loophole that would force him to pick an American movie

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<v Speaker 1>this year, and uh, we are only covering films made

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<v Speaker 1>by the director John Waters. John Waters is an American

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<v Speaker 1>director from Baltimore, Maryland, who is openly gay and includes

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<v Speaker 1>many themes of gay, lesbian, trans.

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<v Speaker 2>But also just like Serial Killers.

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<v Speaker 1>Serial Killers. We did cover John waters movie already, which

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<v Speaker 1>was Serial Mom. But Mark, describe, yeah, describe John Waters

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<v Speaker 1>and your your history with him, and how if you

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<v Speaker 1>if an alien landed on Earth and was like, describe

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<v Speaker 1>John waters movies to me, what would you.

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<v Speaker 5>Say, Oh, that's actually a really difficult question. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>because actually, like also I think that our picks, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean three are in a certain style of John Waters,

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<v Speaker 5>and then one is a more of his like mainstream

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<v Speaker 5>like for a kind of main audience, but it still

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<v Speaker 5>has a similar theme. And he's kind of just absurd.

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<v Speaker 5>He's making he's counterculture, he's making fun of just the

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<v Speaker 5>absurdity of life. I think, especially in this period I

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<v Speaker 5>think where he grew up, like in the fifties and

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<v Speaker 5>he goes back to that period a lot in his movies.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, John Waters. My I was thinking about, like

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<v Speaker 5>how I like my first interaction with John Waters, and

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<v Speaker 5>I remember specifically it was with Hairspray. I think I

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<v Speaker 5>TV and Hairspray was on, and it was my first experience.

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<v Speaker 5>And at the beginning of Hairspray, John Waters has a

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<v Speaker 5>cameo which I did not realize at the time he

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<v Speaker 5>was the director of the movie. But he's just like

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<v Speaker 5>he flashes Ricky Lake and he has like this very

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<v Speaker 5>you know, pencil thin mustache, and he like that's I

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<v Speaker 5>think stuck with me. And I just remember I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if I knew he was like the director of

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<v Speaker 5>these movies, but I just knew him as the sort

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<v Speaker 5>of pop culture character. And it wasn't actually till I

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<v Speaker 5>think later in life that I realized his kind of

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<v Speaker 5>you know, collection of movies he's made and really like

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<v Speaker 2>Have myself on mute.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that John Waters is a unicorn and that

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's no other director that's like him, and specifically

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<v Speaker 1>because he goes from the absolute fringe of the fringe,

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<v Speaker 1>craziest shit that you could possibly imagine, two very mainstream,

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<v Speaker 1>like appearing on The Simpsons, appearing on Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Hairspray is probably the most like famous mainstream movie he

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<v Speaker 1>ever made, and it was also remade where John Travolta

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<v Speaker 1>plays the divine. Wait, it was a Ricky Lakes roller.

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<v Speaker 2>Divine's role is Divine in Hairspray.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never seen it divin Hapray, Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually I've never seen Hairspray and Rafall. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if they have. I don't know how popular a

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream The Simpsons was when you were growing up in Poland.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't even know if you had a television,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you've probably lived in like some sort of ramshackle

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<v Speaker 1>hut in the woods. But did you watch The Simpsons

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<v Speaker 2>I absolute okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the best Simpsons episodes of all time

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<v Speaker 1>is about Homer coming to grip with being okay with

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<v Speaker 1>played by John Waters.

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<v Speaker 2>This was my introduction to John Waters.

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<v Speaker 1>So John Waters is like kind of playing himself and

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<v Speaker 1>he befriends Homer Simpson and then Homer realizes he's gay,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's very not okay with this, and then by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the episode he like comes to grips

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<v Speaker 1>with it and realizes I'm being stupid. But uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like definitely probably inappropriate to watch now and people would

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<v Speaker 1>find it defensive, but it is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my introduction to John Waters.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I saw Cereal Mom when I was very young,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was you know, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Already covered that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But Rafall, were you familiar with John Waters at all?

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<v Speaker 1>And like, had you seen a lot of his stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>What you know, what's your history with him?

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<v Speaker 6>Actually not until I started watching Group Poles, Drag Race

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<v Speaker 6>and the franchise altogether. So this was actually kind of,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, this introduction through the points of reference like

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<v Speaker 6>of Repulse rag Race, probably in every single one of those,

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<v Speaker 6>and I remember I was actually back then in Canada.

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<v Speaker 6>It was twenty eighteen, and we were probably watching with

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<v Speaker 6>a friend of mine with whom I was actually living

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<v Speaker 6>back then. Yet another episode and I think I just

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<v Speaker 6>random the ask, listen, what is this reference actually about?

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<v Speaker 6>Like what's going on here? And then he's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 6>haven't you seen that? And I was like, well no

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<v Speaker 6>in the first place, first of all, what is it?

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<v Speaker 6>What is that thing that I haven't actually seen? And

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<v Speaker 6>secondly know what happened? So when do we do that?

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<v Speaker 6>And this was the first time we actually kind of

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<v Speaker 6>got to got me to see any John Waller's film,

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<v Speaker 6>which I believe was actually being Flamingos.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about my history of that movie later on

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<v Speaker 1>in the series. But another pivotal this is a movie

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to be talking about. Another pivotal experience

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<v Speaker 1>in my life was I'm always as if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast like and Mark obviously knows more than anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to push the envelope of what is appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I came of age, when I was over seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>the first NC seventeen theatrical release after I had turned

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen was A Dirty Shame. So I made Andy go

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<v Speaker 1>see it because he was like, what is this? Who's

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<v Speaker 1>John Waters? And I was like, this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>NC seventeen movie that has been released in theaters in

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<v Speaker 1>like years, so I'm going to see this. Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your history with John Waters?

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<v Speaker 4>I think somewhere like where you guys say knowing being

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<v Speaker 4>aware of him as like a public figure before the movies.

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<v Speaker 4>I think my first like knowledge of him was Bride

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<v Speaker 4>of Chucky. He plays like a photographer that they horribly kill,

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<v Speaker 4>and like seeing his name in the credits and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, Oh, this is the guy that they always reference.

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<v Speaker 4>And then like he does a lot of like talk

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<v Speaker 4>show appearances and stuff like that because he's like a

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<v Speaker 4>really big, like again persona. And then I think the

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<v Speaker 4>first one I actually saw was A Dirty Shame, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was this big like, Oh, he's kind of going

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<v Speaker 4>back and doing what he was kind of famous for.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Hairspray used to be on Comedy Central a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was one of the few of his

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<v Speaker 4>movies that like they probably could play without a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of censorship. So he's just I've seen that one a

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<v Speaker 4>few times on TV and then yeah, then I told

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<v Speaker 4>you this a few days ago. But I think he

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<v Speaker 4>was one of the last directors where like when I

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<v Speaker 4>was buying like DVDs constantly, I was like, buy everything

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<v Speaker 4>he's made, watch all of it, and then like listen

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<v Speaker 4>to his commentaries because he's just a fascinating speaker to

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<v Speaker 4>listen to to. He's such a great personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that, you know, going back to

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<v Speaker 1>me saying he was he's a unicorn. I truly don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand how how he is so mainstream. I'm glad he is,

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<v Speaker 1>but I and I don't know how to describe John Waters. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really really difficult. But he says in Ryan let

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<v Speaker 1>me borrow his DVD of Pink Flamingos, and after in

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<v Speaker 1>the actual runtime of the movie, at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, because it was I think the twentieth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a little monologue he gives and he was

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<v Speaker 1>he basically said that, you know, hippies were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>freak out the squares, and we were trying to freak.

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<v Speaker 2>Out the hippies.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, if you think your counterculture.

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<v Speaker 2>You have not watched these films.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know what counterculture is. And obviously a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that is rooted in LGBTQ themes and how non

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream they were, especially back when he started making movies.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not just about that. It's also just about

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<v Speaker 1>like pushing the envelope and like, you know, being absurd

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of being absurd, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>He also even being a gay man I've discussed before,

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<v Speaker 1>he's obsessed with breasts, which I appreciate and I've always

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<v Speaker 1>heard that that like that, you know, oh gay men

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<v Speaker 1>still appreciate boob. So John Waters is living proof. And

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<v Speaker 1>I met John Waters. I lived in Baltimore for I've

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<v Speaker 1>told this story on the pod before, but for those

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<v Speaker 1>that don't remember, I lived in Baltimore for years and

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<v Speaker 1>I had never seen him. I didn't even know if

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<v Speaker 1>he still lived there, and he, uh, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>skateboard theme bar, because again Baltimore is weird and the

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<v Speaker 1>best way, and I was at the skateboard theme bar.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called Johnny Rad's and I was there one

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<v Speaker 1>week night. One week night, it was not crowded. John

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<v Speaker 1>Waters walked in and I turned and saw him and said,

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<v Speaker 1>very loudly, holy shit, that's John Waters, because he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a hero of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he very abruptly turned and walked out when

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<v Speaker 2>Me say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was my encounter with John Waters in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>But rafall I also wanted to ask you you were

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<v Speaker 1>introduced one of the ugliest accents in the entire world,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Baltimore accent. I can't imagine you were

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with it, but to describe it, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>hard o's Like instead of saying like the Orioles they

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<v Speaker 1>call the o's, they say the a's, like I'm going him,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of water they say water. So have you

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<v Speaker 1>have you experienced that mid Atlantic Baltimore accent at all

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<v Speaker 1>our fall.

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<v Speaker 6>To be quite honest, not much. I think I'm actually

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<v Speaker 6>kind of stuck on the Paris saltanfe Cali at the moment.

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<v Speaker 6>Once in a while, I'll listen to Mark speak to

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<v Speaker 6>his parents, which obviously after ten seconds of conversations, which

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<v Speaker 6>is to the very deep Boston and otherwise I think

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<v Speaker 6>with true Bloods, it's been Louisiana blood.

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<v Speaker 2>We can walk me through that love that that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is, It is truly not. It is an ugly,

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<v Speaker 1>ugly accent. But yeah, they say Orioles are the O's

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<v Speaker 1>and then the Baltimore beer is called Natty Bow. So

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<v Speaker 1>to go to an Orioles game, you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>O's and drink bows. So they say, like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing this weekend? Bos and aves? It's it's an

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<v Speaker 1>awful disaster of an accent. But you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should just talk about so we didn't cover We're

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<v Speaker 1>not covering Hairspray. I still have never seen Hairspray. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little too normal for me. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk first about his most normal movie of all time

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<v Speaker 1>other than Hairspray, which is cry Baby's starring Johnny Depp.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think a lot of folks, if they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen cry Baby, they're just they know it existed. If

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<v Speaker 1>they grew up in the nineties, they remember coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>they saw the poster with Johnny deppbeat like as a greaser.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna we're gonna just pause it right here

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment. And then the next thing you will

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<v Speaker 1>hear will be us covering crybaby, directed by John Waters,