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So last night, American Eagle Flight fifty three 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,880 forty two, with service from Wichita, Kansas to Washington's Reagan 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:46,960 National Airport, collided with a Blackhawk helicopter. Everyone on board 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,560 the plane, all three of the service members on the chopper, 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,039 were all killed. The wreckage obviously ended up in the 15 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:04,680 Potomac River. Rescue operations we're unable to find anybody still alive. 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,400 They're in a recovery mode. 17 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:07,799 Speaker 1: Now and. 18 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: It's just a it's a sad story, tragic story. Investigations 19 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:18,400 are you know underway. I know a lot of questions 20 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:22,000 are being asked. I will do what I do in 21 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:28,879 all of these types of circumstances. I will wait for 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:37,599 more information. I will allow investigations to occur, and I 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,680 will not stand on the graves of dead people to 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,239 score political points. You may do whatever you wish to do. 25 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,719 I won't be doing those things because a lot of 26 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,159 information changes within twenty four forty eight hours of any 27 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:02,599 kind of mass casualty event. When you're trying to piece 28 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,640 together what exactly happened. First reads hot takes all of 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,639 that stuff. Usually not very helpful. Just usually they're not 30 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:15,199 very helpful. They don't actually you speculating, not you, but 31 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,000 people speculating on what they think might be the reason 32 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:24,520 why something terrible happened. Provides no comfort to anybody except 33 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:31,080 maybe yourself, because it helps you to compartmentalize. Again, I 34 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,599 keep saying you. I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying 35 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,039 it helps people compartmentalize. It helps people focus their attention 36 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,840 away from the sheer grief and the magnitude of the disaster, 37 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:50,680 the lives lost, the pain, the suffering. But it is 38 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:53,879 through pain and suffering that we are called to help 39 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:59,560 our fellow man. And so that's why I also say 40 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,520 in the world of all of these types of tragedies, 41 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:06,599 is to look for the helpers. Because it's easy to 42 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:10,000 focus on the negative, it's easy to focus on the tragedy, 43 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,520 and then it's easy to get depressed and to feel sad. 44 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,039 And I'm not saying you shouldn't feel sad and be 45 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,719 a little depressed, you know, get the blues. 46 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:23,319 Speaker 1: I'm not saying any of that. But look for the helpers. 47 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: They will restore your faith in humanity because there are 48 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,400 always people rushing to the scene to help. 49 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:32,479 Speaker 1: Always. 50 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: NBC News the local affiliate up there in DC. They've 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,680 got a running, you know, live update feed on their website, 52 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,280 Nbcwashington dot com. There were sixty four people on the 53 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:54,120 passenger plane. I believe it was four crew and sixty passengers. 54 00:03:55,319 --> 00:04:05,319 They were all killed. Reagan National Airport opened at eleven am. 55 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:09,960 An American Airlines flight and a military helicopter collided. Officials 56 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:18,600 believe everybody on both aircraft died. Recovery is underway. There's 57 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:23,879 a report from NBC that the ice breaking Washington d C. 58 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: Fireboat was out of service at the time. 59 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: There are boats that actually and my brother in law 60 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,879 actually did this for the Coast Guard. He would he 61 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:35,040 rode on a vessel that would ride up the Hudson 62 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,160 River from New York City. All the way up to 63 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,399 like Canada, which is anything north of the Bronx to me. 64 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:43,120 But he would and they would go all the way 65 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,439 up and they would break the ice in the river. 66 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,920 I don't know if that had any material impact on. 67 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,519 Speaker 1: Anything, but. 68 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:57,519 Speaker 2: The boat could have helped break up some of the 69 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,360 ice that was covering the Potomac, but or parts of 70 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:06,920 the Potomac River. It is very similar to the crash 71 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:12,759 that occurred thirty eight years ago now or something where 72 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,160 the plane took off and it hit the bridge and 73 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,480 then crashed into the Potomac, killing almost everybody on board. 74 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,160 And I do have more on that flight. There is 75 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:26,759 a clip here I want to play for you. 76 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: This is David. 77 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,759 Speaker 2: Sussi or Sousey, former FAA safety inspector, and he appeared 78 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,160 on CNN yesterday last night with Omar him in. 79 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: Is based on what you saw there, what may have 80 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:47,600 gone wrong? I mean, what is the communication sort of 81 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,800 structure in a situation like that when you have a 82 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,720 plane coming into land and perhaps another helicopter flying in 83 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,279 a in a either similar or nearby path. 84 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: There are so many safety vulnerabilities, you know, I've I've 85 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:04,120 done a lot of aircraft accidents investigated them, and I've 86 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,360 never seen one that had one singular cause it's a culmination. 87 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:12,920 It's a disastrous combination of these failures, the safety system failures, 88 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,360 and that's what we have here, are multiple failures, one 89 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:18,800 of them which could very well be the communications. There 90 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,319 are different frequencies between the military. They operate on communications 91 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,000 with the military one frequency, and then they operate at 92 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,560 the airport communications commercially with a different frequency, so they're 93 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,399 not directly connected to each other. They're not calling each 94 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:33,519 other saying hey, I have you in sight or anything 95 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,079 like that like you would in visual rules at night. 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,160 That's one of the problems that I see in it. 97 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:42,240 The other thing is that you can overrely on the 98 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,319 TCAST system, the traffic control that allows you to know 99 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,079 whether there's an aircraft coming at you or not. So 100 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,680 that air traffic control system, the t casts will warn 101 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,160 you if there's aircraft coming approaching at you. The faulty 102 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,480 part of that is the fact that if that aircraft 103 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,040 isn't approaching you, it only looked forward. So if the helicopter, 104 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:05,079 this airplane was coming to the north and turning left 105 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:07,279 and or excuse me, if the airplane was doing that 106 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,720 and the helicopter is coming the opposite way. If it's 107 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,800 to the side of the airplane, which appears to me 108 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,879 that that is what happened, the t cast would not 109 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,000 have given a warning to the pilot. So that's two 110 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,720 of the vulnerabilities. The other vulnerability that when I was 111 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,360 based in Washington, DC in the FAA headquarters for many years, 112 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,839 and I would fly mostly at night doing surveillance, I 113 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,360 sit in the cockpit in the jump seat and watch 114 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:34,800 these flights go in and out, watch the pilots how 115 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,240 they act. That was part of my job as a 116 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,680 safety inspector. So literally hundreds of flights in and out 117 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,839 of DCA at night going over that black piece of 118 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,519 water at the bottom, and it literally is like turning 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,199 off all the lights. You cannot see anything out there. 120 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,079 There's a light here, a light there that don't mean 121 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,079 anything to you. So you really have to pay attention 122 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,879 to exactly where you're going. And if that light from 123 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:58,199 the helicopter wasn't present, which it wouldn't have been if 124 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:00,920 he was turning away from it, they would have had 125 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:03,720 no clue what was coming at them at all. So 126 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,000 you put combine all of those things together. The fact 127 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,519 that this is one of the busiest airports. Not only 128 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,040 is it the busiest, it's the most complex airport. There's 129 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:16,560 military and commercial together. There's flight restrictions on where you 130 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,839 can fly, what kind of approaches you have to make, 131 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,759 and there's demands on how quickly those airplanes have to 132 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,759 come in and out. You can't just say, wait, I'm 133 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,360 going to go around again without having a lot to 134 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:29,879 do to get to that place. So there's so many factors. 135 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,240 I am surprised that there hasn't had something happen before. 136 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so a lot of different things. My takeaway was 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,720 that it's these types of crashes are usually due to 138 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:47,919 a disastrous combination of multiple failures that all converge at 139 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,840 one point. Don't know why the pilots in the chopper 140 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,200 were allowed to cross, you know, make their way across 141 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:04,240 a landing strip. The pilot of the the commercial plane seemed, 142 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,360 you know, they were cleared for approach, they were on 143 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,559 their way. I mean this only happened like three hundred 144 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,200 feet off the ground, very low to the ground. They 145 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,080 were about to land, and that seems to me to 146 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,320 be like they had I don't know, who gets, you know, 147 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,320 right away their FAA Air Traffic Control is supposed to 148 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,320 make sure they're not going to do this very thing 149 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,080 if the pilot was flying in the chopper without their 150 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:34,039 lights on. According to the Department of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, 151 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:38,720 they were doing a continuity of government training exercise, which 152 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:43,399 is if the president, vice president, whatever, if the leadership, 153 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,679 the civilian leadership is killed. 154 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Right, this is like the this. 155 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: Is the the chain of command, the line of command, 156 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,799 like who does the who comes next in succession? 157 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,519 Speaker 1: And what do you do? And so they're running this 158 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:57,360 training op. 159 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,919 Speaker 2: And if they were doing this training op, you know, 160 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,360 haig Seth says this, he said, it should not have happened. 161 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:10,200 Sean Duffy, Secretary of Department of Transportation, said it should 162 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:14,440 not have happened. HeiG Seth said, there's no excuses. We'll 163 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,000 get to the bottom of it. But then they say, 164 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:20,639 you know, there are some things that they kind of 165 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,240 know right now, and that the helicopter, according to Donald 166 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:28,960 Trump in that press briefing, the chopper was at the 167 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:37,039 wrong place at the wrong time, right, So it seems 168 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:40,000 like they have some good bit of information already. And 169 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,240 he also said, you know, usually takes years and years 170 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,799 for these investigations to conclude. 171 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:44,399 Speaker 1: And he's right. 172 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,919 Speaker 2: So I think the better they can get the or 173 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,240 the more quickly they can get some sort of initial 174 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:53,799 assessment out as to like what happened an explanation. I 175 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,440 think it is better and I think it's expected, you know, 176 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,960 especially for something like this, there's so much video of it, 177 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:03,360 there's so much audio recordings of the colms and all 178 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:06,919 that stuff that you can answer a lot of these questions, 179 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:10,720 hopefully within the next twenty four hours. 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Hello Ray, Welcome to the show. 209 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: Hello Pete, how are you doing. 210 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:44,639 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good what's up. 211 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,279 Speaker 5: I had a little disagreement about your statement of dancing 212 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,480 on the grays to score political points. And the reason 213 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:59,960 I say that is because when I watched Trump start 214 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:03,320 doing that, at first it struck me a little bit, like, 215 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,399 you know, he shouldn't do that, And then a few 216 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,080 seconds later it came to me, what better time to 217 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:15,960 do that than to strike while the iron is hot 218 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,919 and people are listening and make them aware that it 219 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,840 could have been caused by some of the inconfidence of 220 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:30,080 people in policy making positions. And I tried to put 221 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,320 myself in the place of people that the families of 222 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,399 someone that had been killed on that flight, and I 223 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,360 said to myself, I would be okay with this if 224 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,480 it says this from happening to other people in the future. 225 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:46,200 That's kind of my point. 226 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: So that I find it interesting you thought that I 227 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,360 was accusing Donald Trump of dancing on the graves. 228 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 5: Yes, I did, yeah that. 229 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,279 Speaker 1: No I don't. I didn't. 230 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,039 Speaker 2: I don't think I said anybody specifically. 231 00:13:59,399 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 5: No. 232 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: In fact, I understand why Donald Trump did what he 233 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:07,120 did because he for the last probably fourteen hours or so, 234 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,759 he and his administration have been getting dragged by Democrats 235 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:18,639 and the media. But I repeat myself over policy changes, 236 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,320 these very policy changes, and they've been sharing this narrative 237 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,919 all around that his dangerous freeze of air traffic control hiring. 238 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,399 There's a statement that was put out by Transportation and 239 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,720 the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. So this was 240 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:45,320 under the first term, I guess, And they've been sharing 241 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,559 this all around, blaming him for the crash. 242 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,919 Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about. 243 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: And so when I watched him today, I recognize what 244 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:58,200 he's doing as a response to the politicization of the crash. 245 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,639 That's what he's doing. He's he's fighting back against this 246 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,799 narrative that democrats and media are pushing and have been 247 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:10,639 pushing before. Like before emergency responders had even like arrived 248 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:13,840 at the crash scene, this stuff was already spreading all 249 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:15,159 over social media. 250 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 5: Okay, well, one other quick thing. Could you explain what 251 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:21,360 you meant by that dancing on the grave remark? 252 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: It's sure it's whenever, like, for example, in any kind 253 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:29,320 of like school shooting or mass shooting of any kind, 254 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:35,440 people rush to the microphones and to social media, and 255 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,240 they use the event without knowing any information. They use 256 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,240 the event to push their political agenda, essentially saying, had 257 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,399 you not done what we demanded you do, then these 258 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,200 people would still be alive. And so there's almost like 259 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,159 a happiness that people have. That's hence the dancing part 260 00:15:57,639 --> 00:15:59,639 that or you know, they can merely be standing if 261 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:03,519 they're not necessarily happy, but they utilize it for political end. 262 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,600 The agenda comes first, the sympathy last. 263 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 5: If ever, Also, what you're saying is fince Donald Trump 264 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:17,080 didn't appear to be happy about this then, that he 265 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,440 wasn't dancing on the grave. 266 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: No, I think, No, I don't believe he was. 267 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:22,679 Speaker 2: His first statement that he put out last night or 268 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,240 early this morning, I should say, did not mention anything 269 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:28,960 about Dei or anything like that, but his specific remarks 270 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,080 about the Dei stuff and the merit based hiring and 271 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,080 all of that. Like that's obviously like all three of 272 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:39,279 the people that spoke at the press conference about an 273 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,360 hour ago, they all mentioned that same theme. And that's 274 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:48,159 not a coincidence in my mind to me, they're pushing 275 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,279 back against this pro Dei narrative. So the left is 276 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,000 using the crash They came out last night. 277 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: They were saying this stuff last night. 278 00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:59,759 Speaker 2: They came out immediately and they were like, see, this 279 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,640 is what Donald Trump did by rolling back hirings or 280 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,319 what are freezing hirings and all this other stuff, And 281 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,839 this is his push back to that narrative, because, like 282 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,839 I said, the original statements didn't include anything about that theme. 283 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,079 Speaker 5: I got you one other quick thing, if I may, so, 284 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,720 I gather from what you're saying that you kind of 285 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:27,160 agree with what I just my explanation or analysis of 286 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,160 it was about making a political point while the iron 287 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:31,920 was hot. Am I wrong right on that? 288 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: I think? 289 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: I think reasonable reasonable people can disagree about whether they 290 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,640 thought that what he did was appropriate. But this is 291 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,680 Donald Trump. I am immune any longer to the kinds 292 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,599 of attacks that that people would say, Oh my gosh, 293 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,319 I can't believe it was Donald Trump. Well, this is 294 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:51,839 Donald Trump. He's been this guy forever. Everybody knew what 295 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:53,799 they were voting for. This is what he does. He 296 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:55,680 did it during the pandemic, he did it on the 297 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,200 campaign trail, He's doing it now. 298 00:17:57,279 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: This is what he does. So if you don't like it, 299 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,839 well that's who he is. 300 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: And if you do like it, then I'm sure you 301 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,839 know people are happy with his performance today. So I 302 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:11,119 don't know if I agree necessarily or disagree, I just 303 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,279 like I know what I'm getting with Donald Trump, and 304 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:16,400 so no, I don't expect him to behave anything any 305 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,400 other way. All Right, I hope you had a happy 306 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,119 holiday season. But tell me if something like this happened 307 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,039 at your house. 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She's a you know, social media writer 328 00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:34,240 and I think she was on the blaze or something. 329 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,240 She was a well it doesn't matter. So she says, 330 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:46,920 blaming anybody right now for this crash right now is ghoulish. 331 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:50,319 That includes Trump. She says, Can anyone in this bleeping 332 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,880 country learn how to unite a country in grief? 333 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: Or is it just like this forever? Now? 334 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: Again, that's not what Trump does. He never has. So 335 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:08,279 if people are surprised by Trump going to the press 336 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:13,440 conference and ripping into his political opponents who have been 337 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 blaming him for the crash, which they have, and I've 338 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:22,200 got the receipts here, then you do like, what have 339 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,000 you been watching for the last eight years? 340 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:26,799 Speaker 1: This is what he does. 341 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, we all knew that going in that was 342 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,880 already baked into the cake. Do I wish he would 343 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,880 have gotten up there and done it differently? Sure, but 344 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,519 that doesn't change the reality of what's on the ground. 345 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,839 So you know, I try to meet people where they are, 346 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,359 and that's where Trump is. And I mentioned that I 347 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,319 saw these types of responses like immediately after the crash, 348 00:20:55,599 --> 00:21:00,880 like almost immediately, like the wreckage was still in the water, 349 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:03,319 and it still is in the water, but they were 350 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,200 out there trying to, you know, find survivors and stuff, 351 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,480 and people were taking to social media posting things like 352 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:14,759 Aaron Rupar noted catfisher. 353 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: He farms. 354 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: He's an engagement farmer, and he posts, he takes videos, 355 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,160 and he chops out the contextual relevant pieces and they 356 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,200 puts up a clip to make everybody look the worst 357 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,240 they could look, which, of course is what's going to 358 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,039 happen now with the Donald Trump appearance at the press conference. 359 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:36,119 But this guy, he's always at the forefront of these efforts. 360 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:45,480 And he posts an AP headline from last week. He says, 361 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:49,359 headlines from a week ago as an incident near Reagan 362 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,279 National appears to be the deadliest aviation disaster in the 363 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,480 US since nine to eleven. And here's the AP headline. 364 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Trump guts Key Aviation Safety Committee, fires heads of TSA Coastguard. So, like, 365 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:08,640 I don't know what kind of idiot you need to 366 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:14,319 be to think that removing these individuals a week ago 367 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:20,400 created that that crash. Right, That's this is what I 368 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,079 mean when I say dancing on the graves. 369 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. 370 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: It is yay, I get to pin this on my 371 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:32,400 political opponent, right, And that's what the left has been 372 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,319 doing in the last twenty four hours, somehow connecting whatever 373 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,319 Trump has been doing in his first week or eight days, 374 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,880 nine days, whatever it's been in office, as somehow connected 375 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,160 to the crash. It's absurd. The tragedy is not the 376 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,759 fault of the Trump administration. It looks like at this 377 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,839 stage an accident. And we used to be a people 378 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,599 that could see something and say, wow, this looks like 379 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,880 an actid. Let's wait and see what it turns up. Now, 380 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:06,400 it may very well turn up to have other influences 381 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,920 and factors and stuff, and then we can reassess at 382 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,359 that point. 383 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: But nobody knows right now. Nobody knows. 384 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:17,799 Speaker 2: According to the administration, they think the helicopter pilot was 385 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,160 in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's what 386 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,359 that's what they're saying. And that may be the case. 387 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:28,119 That's what it appears to me to be at this stage. 388 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: But I don't know I don't know. And then there was. 389 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,079 Speaker 2: The screenshot that they were sharing around from the House 390 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,759 Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. I mentioned this earlier. They 391 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,400 were sharing this around. I guess it's from a couple 392 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,559 of years ago when Democrats controlled this committee. Trump's dangerous 393 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,519 freeze of air traffic control hiring, So this is from 394 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:55,319 what five six, seven years ago? Did by did not 395 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,799 lift the freeze? Or are we to believe that there 396 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:58,839 wasn't anybody there at the air traffic Control? 397 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,759 Speaker 1: No, we know there was. We have the recordings. 398 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: There was somebody there, and I will leave it to 399 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:11,759 people with far more expertise in aviation to determine whether 400 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:16,599 or not all of those comms were appropriate. I've got 401 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,839 one from a pilot who says, as a pilot, I 402 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,640 have reviewed the available information and ATC air Traffic Control, 403 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,839 radio traffic communications between ATC and the Blackhawk helicopter. I 404 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:33,599 believe this was tragic human error. The black Hawk was 405 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,599 flying VFR so visual so like you're not using your instruments, right, 406 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,759 I think that's called IFR IF I recall, and was 407 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,920 crossing Runway thirty three, so going like perpendicular or diagonal 408 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,160 across that runway, but the commercial airliner was on short final. 409 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,799 Speaker 1: Approach to they were about to land. He says. 410 00:24:55,839 --> 00:25:00,759 Speaker 2: The issue I see is that ATC air traffic did 411 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,119 notify the black Hawk to look for the plane and 412 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,240 to come in behind it, but they never said to 413 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:15,079 the commercial jet that was on short final approach, which 414 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,839 would have told the black Hawk pilot to look left, 415 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,440 where he immediately would have seen the commercial plane all 416 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:26,960 lit up with a million candlewat landing lights on right, 417 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,640 So is that what. 418 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: This came down to? 419 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: Like, we also have been told that they may have 420 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,240 been wearing in the in the chopper, they may have 421 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:36,559 been wearing night vision goggles. Did that impair their vision? 422 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,559 It may have. 423 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Were they flying all dark right? 424 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: Are they doing like a you know, if they're doing 425 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,160 like this training where they're supposed to have like no 426 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,839 lights on so nobody can see them. Was that part 427 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,559 of the training, And if so, that could that would 428 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:54,799 be a factor as well. But these are just things 429 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,599 that I have seen reported, Herd reported, and I don't 430 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,480 know them to be true at this point, which is 431 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,839 why I urged caution and patients, as I always do 432 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,640 in these types of situations. Unlike say Phil Williams, who 433 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,519 posted that screenshot and then deleted it. Phil Williams is 434 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:17,680 an NBC reporter in Philadelphia, and then deleted his post, 435 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,119 and he said he deleted it because it unfortunately was 436 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,119 interpreted as blaming Tonight's tragedy on policies in Washington. That 437 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,559 was certainly not my intent, which is garbage. Of course, 438 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:31,400 it is Trump's dangerous freeze of air traffic control hiring. 439 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,880 That's exactly what you're saying. 440 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:33,519 Speaker 1: Right. 441 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: As someone who has covered aviation safety for many, many years, 442 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,759 I know that you cannot suddenly pull people out of 443 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,599 an ATC system that has already stretched to a breaking 444 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,880 point and still keep people safe. I do fear the 445 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,319 consequences of political decisions made without careful deliberation about the 446 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:50,599 impact on human lives. Right, But he shared that Butacari Sellers, 447 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,720 former South Carolina House of Representatives member, Now he's a 448 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,480 CNN contributor. He shared it eight day years ago and 449 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,680 deleted it. He said, because timing matters politics at this point, 450 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:07,759 doesn't He says, I messed up. 451 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: I own that. 452 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,599 Speaker 2: I'm very prayerful, but I'm also very frustrated, upset and 453 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,839 disturbed with where we are as a country. 454 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: I recognize I will do better. 455 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: The only thing that matters is rescuing survivors and ensuring 456 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,039 this never happens again. So note what he just said there, 457 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:24,440 rescuing survivors. He tweeted this stuff out while they were 458 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,039 still trying to pull people from the wreckage, when they 459 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,160 thought they were still survivors. And I think this is 460 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,400 what Trump is responding to. All Right, if you're listening 461 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,960 to this show, you know I try to keep up 462 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,759 with all sorts of current events, and I know you 463 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,279 do too, And you've probably heard me say get your 464 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:44,200 news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you 465 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,200 detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed 466 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,000 with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, 467 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,440 and it combines news from around the world in one 468 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,960 place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You 469 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,880 can check it out at check dot ground news slash Pete. 470 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,559 I put the link in the podcast description too. I 471 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,200 started using ground News a few months ago, and more 472 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,799 recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because 473 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:13,119 it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and 474 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,359 by whom. The blind Spot feature shows you which stories 475 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,440 get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself. 476 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,200 Check Dot Ground, Dot News slash pete. Subscribe through that 477 00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:27,200 link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I 478 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,680 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 479 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,640 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 480 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,839 also supports Ground News as they make the media landscape 481 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:42,759 more transparent. Gary sends a tweet. It's a peat tweet. 482 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,039 Gary says Trump is a response to the left going 483 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:51,039 too far. He was back in twenty sixteen. Biden went 484 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,000 further and pushed horrible policies, so he got more Trump 485 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,400 and more support for Trump. I realize that the media 486 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,240 and the left don't want to take responsibility for getting Trump, 487 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,640 but people are tired of one side bulldozing the country 488 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:14,079 with what the left has. Yeah, I think that's how 489 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,279 I when I was watching the Trump press conference, after 490 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,200 having seen all of this stuff and prepared my show 491 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,680 notes for what I would be focusing on, and then 492 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,599 Trump comes on and does the press conference, and I'm 493 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,440 sitting there, you know, listening to it, and it's very 494 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,039 clear what he's to me, what he's responding to, he's 495 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,200 responding to the stuff that I just went over. 496 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: Now will it be framed like that? Of course not. 497 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,119 Speaker 2: And if you didn't know all of that other stuff, 498 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,920 then you just see Trump come out say what he says, 499 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,079 and it's like, oh, this is not the right time 500 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,920 to be saying these things, or maybe you'd think it 501 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,480 was the right time to say those things. Like I 502 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:53,759 told you can have whatever opinion about it you want. 503 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,720 I'm not telling you to agree with me, but I 504 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,160 I can see the thing for for multiple or through 505 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,119 multiple lenses. Right Like number one, I would have preferred 506 00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,559 that he just united everybody and he could have addressed 507 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:08,400 it in a different way. 508 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,039 Speaker 1: But I also recognize that Trump is Trump and this 509 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:11,799 is what he's going to do. 510 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,039 Speaker 2: And so he's hammering away at the DEI stuff, saying, 511 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,640 we're going to end all of this stuff because that's 512 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,240 what they were accusing him of. They're accusing him of 513 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,880 causing the crash because of hiring freezes and whatever. So 514 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,799 they're trying to protect the DEI stuff. And so they 515 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:30,519 come out and say, no, we're doing this. It should 516 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,160 be merit based, and you got to have you know, 517 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:37,160 qualified intelligent people, psychologically strong people doing this work. So 518 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,640 I understood what he was doing. But I'm sure you 519 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,319 know media will wash it through whatever whatever they're going 520 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:47,000 to wash it through. 521 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:48,599 Speaker 1: I oh, I can guess. All right, let me go 522 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:49,880 to the phones. I got a lot of people waiting. 523 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,119 Let's go to Dave. Hello, Dave, Welcome to the show. 524 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 6: Hey, Pete, thanks a lot. I want you to know 525 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:56,720 I've been pulled over on the side of the road 526 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,559 up here in the west North Carolina mountains for about 527 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,880 ten minutes and it's just so I could continue to 528 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,759 listen to your show, but also weigh in, Uh, you 529 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:09,240 need to share your notes with with your buddy Vince Cochley. 530 00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,519 He really screwed the pooch in my opinion, UH with 531 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,440 his comments. Uh, this morning has earlier, he has has 532 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,000 an earlier, earlier timeslot he may not have had a 533 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,119 chance to do the homework that you did. Thank you 534 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,680 for doing your homework. By the way, can I change 535 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:30,000 voices with Ray? That made that a very important call earlier, Uh, 536 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,839 where he was trying to clarify what you were talking about, 537 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:38,519 because quite frankly, Pete, with your your communication was was 538 00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:42,160 able to be taken the way he was taking it before. 539 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,039 Speaker 1: You clarified well, I think people are. 540 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 6: Really deeply appreciate that. 541 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, I think people take it because they are 542 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,759 hyper sensitive to any criticism of Donald Trump. 543 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,039 Speaker 1: I really do, No, I really do. I think I 544 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:54,599 think there. 545 00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 6: Is I resemble that remark. 546 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: Now, No, I know, I get it. 547 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,599 Speaker 2: Look, I understand that, like I just think it's because 548 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,519 it's happened and so many times over the last eight 549 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:08,319 years that Trump supporters think any kind of any kind 550 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:11,119 of critique on something when not I haven't even been 551 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,319 talking about Trump, but they they think I'm talking about 552 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,839 Donald Trump. It's like everything gets washed through this prism. 553 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,200 And this is why I keep saying people need to 554 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:21,279 you know, Trump, when Trump breaks people's brains out right, 555 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,000 it goes both ways. Yeah, I mean people cannot see 556 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,279 anything else. And it's the same it's the same affliction, 557 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,200 but from a different angle. The left is you know, 558 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,079 they see everything through Trump too, and it's like, but 559 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,519 it doesn't have to be that way. You're the one 560 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:36,920 making it that way, that's all. 561 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:39,799 Speaker 6: Yeah. Here's the other thing I want to mention, you know, 562 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,279 but you've hit it nail on the head man. Our 563 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,720 country is it's like a penulum. Okay, the penulum swings 564 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,160 a little bit, and they slings a little bit the 565 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,359 other way. Our penulum is swinging more and more severely. Yeah, 566 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:56,559 the right, and that is not a healthy thing for 567 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,440 our nation. And somebody has got to at some point say, look, 568 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,400 we have got to get this thing. And I believe 569 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,599 quite frankly that the merit based focus is the path forward, 570 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400 and and these other we need to be need to 571 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,400 be sensitive. We need to absolutely combat racism, absolutely combat 572 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,119 any any unfairness that that we that we interact with. 573 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,279 But merit based is the best way to do that. 574 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,039 Speaker 1: I agree. 575 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 6: And so yeah, hey, man, I'm sorry I tie up 576 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,960 all you down. I know you got no no. 577 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, and yeah, be safe up there 578 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,519 in the mountains. 579 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 6: Man. 580 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,119 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. And I did not hear anything 581 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:34,599 that Vin said. 582 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:36,079 Speaker 2: I can only speak for what I do on my 583 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,559 show and things that I have said. But so yeah, 584 00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,480 so I can't address that. I do agree with the 585 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,079 pendulum swinging, and I do wish I do and and 586 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,720 again you can take this as a criticism of Donald Trump, 587 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,839 but I do wish that Trump was more tactful in 588 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,279 these types of scenarios. 589 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,119 Speaker 1: But he's not can be. 590 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: I've seen him, like, I've seen him be a sympathetic 591 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,480 person and that kind of thing, but he wasn't in 592 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,079 this in this case. He you know, he did express 593 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,719 sympathy and all that, but then he goes, you know, 594 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,320 onto the de stuff and starts hammering away at all 595 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,239 of that stuff, cussing on, you know, on the radio 596 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,880 on the live radio broadcast. Got to hear Donald Trump 597 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,400 say bs live on the air. But that's what people 598 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,119 voted for. I would have preferred it go differently, but you. 599 00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: Know, here we are, all right. 600 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 601 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,960 for listening. I could not do the show without your 602 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,760 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 603 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,599 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 604 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,320 and tell them you heard it here. You can also 605 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,920 become a patron at my Patreon page or go to 606 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,800 thepetecallnershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, 607 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,119 and don't break anything while I'm gone.