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your support. So last night, American Eagle Flight fifty three
forty two, with service from Wichita, Kansas to Washington's Reagan
National Airport, collided with a Blackhawk helicopter. Everyone on board
the plane, all three of the service members on the chopper,
were all killed. The wreckage obviously ended up in the
Potomac River. Rescue operations we're unable to find anybody still alive.
They're in a recovery mode.
Speaker 1: Now and.
Speaker 2: It's just a it's a sad story, tragic story. Investigations
are you know underway. I know a lot of questions
are being asked. I will do what I do in
all of these types of circumstances. I will wait for
more information. I will allow investigations to occur, and I
will not stand on the graves of dead people to
score political points. You may do whatever you wish to do.
I won't be doing those things because a lot of
information changes within twenty four forty eight hours of any
kind of mass casualty event. When you're trying to piece
together what exactly happened. First reads hot takes all of
that stuff. Usually not very helpful. Just usually they're not
very helpful. They don't actually you speculating, not you, but
people speculating on what they think might be the reason
why something terrible happened. Provides no comfort to anybody except
maybe yourself, because it helps you to compartmentalize. Again, I
keep saying you. I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying
it helps people compartmentalize. It helps people focus their attention
away from the sheer grief and the magnitude of the disaster,
the lives lost, the pain, the suffering. But it is
through pain and suffering that we are called to help
our fellow man. And so that's why I also say
in the world of all of these types of tragedies,
is to look for the helpers. Because it's easy to
focus on the negative, it's easy to focus on the tragedy,
and then it's easy to get depressed and to feel sad.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't feel sad and be
a little depressed, you know, get the blues.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying any of that. But look for the helpers.
Speaker 2: They will restore your faith in humanity because there are
always people rushing to the scene to help.
Speaker 1: Always.
Speaker 2: NBC News the local affiliate up there in DC. They've
got a running, you know, live update feed on their website,
Nbcwashington dot com. There were sixty four people on the
passenger plane. I believe it was four crew and sixty passengers.
They were all killed. Reagan National Airport opened at eleven am.
An American Airlines flight and a military helicopter collided. Officials
believe everybody on both aircraft died. Recovery is underway. There's
a report from NBC that the ice breaking Washington d C.
Speaker 1: Fireboat was out of service at the time.
Speaker 2: There are boats that actually and my brother in law
actually did this for the Coast Guard. He would he
rode on a vessel that would ride up the Hudson
River from New York City. All the way up to
like Canada, which is anything north of the Bronx to me.
But he would and they would go all the way
up and they would break the ice in the river.
I don't know if that had any material impact on.
Speaker 1: Anything, but.
Speaker 2: The boat could have helped break up some of the
ice that was covering the Potomac, but or parts of
the Potomac River. It is very similar to the crash
that occurred thirty eight years ago now or something where
the plane took off and it hit the bridge and
then crashed into the Potomac, killing almost everybody on board.
And I do have more on that flight. There is
a clip here I want to play for you.
Speaker 1: This is David.
Speaker 2: Sussi or Sousey, former FAA safety inspector, and he appeared
on CNN yesterday last night with Omar him in.
Speaker 3: Is based on what you saw there, what may have
gone wrong? I mean, what is the communication sort of
structure in a situation like that when you have a
plane coming into land and perhaps another helicopter flying in
a in a either similar or nearby path.
Speaker 4: There are so many safety vulnerabilities, you know, I've I've
done a lot of aircraft accidents investigated them, and I've
never seen one that had one singular cause it's a culmination.
It's a disastrous combination of these failures, the safety system failures,
and that's what we have here, are multiple failures, one
of them which could very well be the communications. There
are different frequencies between the military. They operate on communications
with the military one frequency, and then they operate at
the airport communications commercially with a different frequency, so they're
not directly connected to each other. They're not calling each
other saying hey, I have you in sight or anything
like that like you would in visual rules at night.
That's one of the problems that I see in it.
The other thing is that you can overrely on the
TCAST system, the traffic control that allows you to know
whether there's an aircraft coming at you or not. So
that air traffic control system, the t casts will warn
you if there's aircraft coming approaching at you. The faulty
part of that is the fact that if that aircraft
isn't approaching you, it only looked forward. So if the helicopter,
this airplane was coming to the north and turning left
and or excuse me, if the airplane was doing that
and the helicopter is coming the opposite way. If it's
to the side of the airplane, which appears to me
that that is what happened, the t cast would not
have given a warning to the pilot. So that's two
of the vulnerabilities. The other vulnerability that when I was
based in Washington, DC in the FAA headquarters for many years,
and I would fly mostly at night doing surveillance, I
sit in the cockpit in the jump seat and watch
these flights go in and out, watch the pilots how
they act. That was part of my job as a
safety inspector. So literally hundreds of flights in and out
of DCA at night going over that black piece of
water at the bottom, and it literally is like turning
off all the lights. You cannot see anything out there.
There's a light here, a light there that don't mean
anything to you. So you really have to pay attention
to exactly where you're going. And if that light from
the helicopter wasn't present, which it wouldn't have been if
he was turning away from it, they would have had
no clue what was coming at them at all. So
you put combine all of those things together. The fact
that this is one of the busiest airports. Not only
is it the busiest, it's the most complex airport. There's
military and commercial together. There's flight restrictions on where you
can fly, what kind of approaches you have to make,
and there's demands on how quickly those airplanes have to
come in and out. You can't just say, wait, I'm
going to go around again without having a lot to
do to get to that place. So there's so many factors.
I am surprised that there hasn't had something happen before.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a lot of different things. My takeaway was
that it's these types of crashes are usually due to
a disastrous combination of multiple failures that all converge at
one point. Don't know why the pilots in the chopper
were allowed to cross, you know, make their way across
a landing strip. The pilot of the the commercial plane seemed,
you know, they were cleared for approach, they were on
their way. I mean this only happened like three hundred
feet off the ground, very low to the ground. They
were about to land, and that seems to me to
be like they had I don't know, who gets, you know,
right away their FAA Air Traffic Control is supposed to
make sure they're not going to do this very thing
if the pilot was flying in the chopper without their
lights on. According to the Department of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth,
they were doing a continuity of government training exercise, which
is if the president, vice president, whatever, if the leadership,
the civilian leadership is killed.
Speaker 1: Right, this is like the this.
Speaker 2: Is the the chain of command, the line of command,
like who does the who comes next in succession?
Speaker 1: And what do you do? And so they're running this
training op.
Speaker 2: And if they were doing this training op, you know,
haig Seth says this, he said, it should not have happened.
Sean Duffy, Secretary of Department of Transportation, said it should
not have happened. HeiG Seth said, there's no excuses. We'll
get to the bottom of it. But then they say,
you know, there are some things that they kind of
know right now, and that the helicopter, according to Donald
Trump in that press briefing, the chopper was at the
wrong place at the wrong time, right, So it seems
like they have some good bit of information already. And
he also said, you know, usually takes years and years
for these investigations to conclude.
Speaker 1: And he's right.
Speaker 2: So I think the better they can get the or
the more quickly they can get some sort of initial
assessment out as to like what happened an explanation. I
think it is better and I think it's expected, you know,
especially for something like this, there's so much video of it,
there's so much audio recordings of the colms and all
that stuff that you can answer a lot of these questions,
hopefully within the next twenty four hours. And so I'm
willing to give them that space so we can get
accurate information when they look at it. And it seems
like the administration is going to be turning over this
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I do have some messages I will get to first.
We'll talk to Ray here. Hello Ray, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hello Pete, how are you doing.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good what's up.
Speaker 5: I had a little disagreement about your statement of dancing
on the grays to score political points. And the reason
I say that is because when I watched Trump start
doing that, at first it struck me a little bit, like,
you know, he shouldn't do that, And then a few
seconds later it came to me, what better time to
do that than to strike while the iron is hot
and people are listening and make them aware that it
could have been caused by some of the inconfidence of
people in policy making positions. And I tried to put
myself in the place of people that the families of
someone that had been killed on that flight, and I
said to myself, I would be okay with this if
it says this from happening to other people in the future.
That's kind of my point.
Speaker 2: So that I find it interesting you thought that I
was accusing Donald Trump of dancing on the graves.
Speaker 5: Yes, I did, yeah that.
Speaker 1: No I don't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I said anybody specifically.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: In fact, I understand why Donald Trump did what he
did because he for the last probably fourteen hours or so,
he and his administration have been getting dragged by Democrats
and the media. But I repeat myself over policy changes,
these very policy changes, and they've been sharing this narrative
all around that his dangerous freeze of air traffic control hiring.
There's a statement that was put out by Transportation and
the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. So this was
under the first term, I guess, And they've been sharing
this all around, blaming him for the crash.
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: And so when I watched him today, I recognize what
he's doing as a response to the politicization of the crash.
That's what he's doing. He's he's fighting back against this
narrative that democrats and media are pushing and have been
pushing before. Like before emergency responders had even like arrived
at the crash scene, this stuff was already spreading all
over social media.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, one other quick thing. Could you explain what
you meant by that dancing on the grave remark?
Speaker 2: It's sure it's whenever, like, for example, in any kind
of like school shooting or mass shooting of any kind,
people rush to the microphones and to social media, and
they use the event without knowing any information. They use
the event to push their political agenda, essentially saying, had
you not done what we demanded you do, then these
people would still be alive. And so there's almost like
a happiness that people have. That's hence the dancing part
that or you know, they can merely be standing if
they're not necessarily happy, but they utilize it for political end.
The agenda comes first, the sympathy last.
Speaker 5: If ever, Also, what you're saying is fince Donald Trump
didn't appear to be happy about this then, that he
wasn't dancing on the grave.
Speaker 1: No, I think, No, I don't believe he was.
Speaker 2: His first statement that he put out last night or
early this morning, I should say, did not mention anything
about Dei or anything like that, but his specific remarks
about the Dei stuff and the merit based hiring and
all of that. Like that's obviously like all three of
the people that spoke at the press conference about an
hour ago, they all mentioned that same theme. And that's
not a coincidence in my mind to me, they're pushing
back against this pro Dei narrative. So the left is
using the crash They came out last night.
Speaker 1: They were saying this stuff last night.
Speaker 2: They came out immediately and they were like, see, this
is what Donald Trump did by rolling back hirings or
what are freezing hirings and all this other stuff, And
this is his push back to that narrative, because, like
I said, the original statements didn't include anything about that theme.
Speaker 5: I got you one other quick thing, if I may, so,
I gather from what you're saying that you kind of
agree with what I just my explanation or analysis of
it was about making a political point while the iron
was hot. Am I wrong right on that?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: I think reasonable reasonable people can disagree about whether they
thought that what he did was appropriate. But this is
Donald Trump. I am immune any longer to the kinds
of attacks that that people would say, Oh my gosh,
I can't believe it was Donald Trump. Well, this is
Donald Trump. He's been this guy forever. Everybody knew what
they were voting for. This is what he does. He
did it during the pandemic, he did it on the
campaign trail, He's doing it now.
Speaker 1: This is what he does. So if you don't like it,
well that's who he is.
Speaker 2: And if you do like it, then I'm sure you
know people are happy with his performance today. So I
don't know if I agree necessarily or disagree, I just
like I know what I'm getting with Donald Trump, and
so no, I don't expect him to behave anything any
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from Bridgid Fetasy. She's a you know, social media writer
and I think she was on the blaze or something.
She was a well it doesn't matter. So she says,
blaming anybody right now for this crash right now is ghoulish.
That includes Trump. She says, Can anyone in this bleeping
country learn how to unite a country in grief?
Speaker 1: Or is it just like this forever? Now?
Speaker 2: Again, that's not what Trump does. He never has. So
if people are surprised by Trump going to the press
conference and ripping into his political opponents who have been
blaming him for the crash, which they have, and I've
got the receipts here, then you do like, what have
you been watching for the last eight years?
Speaker 1: This is what he does.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we all knew that going in that was
already baked into the cake. Do I wish he would
have gotten up there and done it differently? Sure, but
that doesn't change the reality of what's on the ground.
So you know, I try to meet people where they are,
and that's where Trump is. And I mentioned that I
saw these types of responses like immediately after the crash,
like almost immediately, like the wreckage was still in the water,
and it still is in the water, but they were
out there trying to, you know, find survivors and stuff,
and people were taking to social media posting things like
Aaron Rupar noted catfisher.
Speaker 1: He farms.
Speaker 2: He's an engagement farmer, and he posts, he takes videos,
and he chops out the contextual relevant pieces and they
puts up a clip to make everybody look the worst
they could look, which, of course is what's going to
happen now with the Donald Trump appearance at the press conference.
But this guy, he's always at the forefront of these efforts.
And he posts an AP headline from last week. He says,
headlines from a week ago as an incident near Reagan
National appears to be the deadliest aviation disaster in the
US since nine to eleven. And here's the AP headline.
Trump guts Key Aviation Safety Committee, fires heads of TSA Coastguard. So, like,
I don't know what kind of idiot you need to
be to think that removing these individuals a week ago
created that that crash. Right, That's this is what I
mean when I say dancing on the graves.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It is yay, I get to pin this on my
political opponent, right, And that's what the left has been
doing in the last twenty four hours, somehow connecting whatever
Trump has been doing in his first week or eight days,
nine days, whatever it's been in office, as somehow connected
to the crash. It's absurd. The tragedy is not the
fault of the Trump administration. It looks like at this
stage an accident. And we used to be a people
that could see something and say, wow, this looks like
an actid. Let's wait and see what it turns up. Now,
it may very well turn up to have other influences
and factors and stuff, and then we can reassess at
that point.
Speaker 1: But nobody knows right now. Nobody knows.
Speaker 2: According to the administration, they think the helicopter pilot was
in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's what
that's what they're saying. And that may be the case.
That's what it appears to me to be at this stage.
Speaker 1: But I don't know I don't know. And then there was.
Speaker 2: The screenshot that they were sharing around from the House
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. I mentioned this earlier. They
were sharing this around. I guess it's from a couple
of years ago when Democrats controlled this committee. Trump's dangerous
freeze of air traffic control hiring, So this is from
what five six, seven years ago? Did by did not
lift the freeze? Or are we to believe that there
wasn't anybody there at the air traffic Control?
Speaker 1: No, we know there was. We have the recordings.
Speaker 2: There was somebody there, and I will leave it to
people with far more expertise in aviation to determine whether
or not all of those comms were appropriate. I've got
one from a pilot who says, as a pilot, I
have reviewed the available information and ATC air Traffic Control,
radio traffic communications between ATC and the Blackhawk helicopter. I
believe this was tragic human error. The black Hawk was
flying VFR so visual so like you're not using your instruments, right,
I think that's called IFR IF I recall, and was
crossing Runway thirty three, so going like perpendicular or diagonal
across that runway, but the commercial airliner was on short final.
Speaker 1: Approach to they were about to land. He says.
Speaker 2: The issue I see is that ATC air traffic did
notify the black Hawk to look for the plane and
to come in behind it, but they never said to
the commercial jet that was on short final approach, which
would have told the black Hawk pilot to look left,
where he immediately would have seen the commercial plane all
lit up with a million candlewat landing lights on right,
So is that what.
Speaker 1: This came down to?
Speaker 2: Like, we also have been told that they may have
been wearing in the in the chopper, they may have
been wearing night vision goggles. Did that impair their vision?
It may have.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Were they flying all dark right?
Speaker 2: Are they doing like a you know, if they're doing
like this training where they're supposed to have like no
lights on so nobody can see them. Was that part
of the training, And if so, that could that would
be a factor as well. But these are just things
that I have seen reported, Herd reported, and I don't
know them to be true at this point, which is
why I urged caution and patients, as I always do
in these types of situations. Unlike say Phil Williams, who
posted that screenshot and then deleted it. Phil Williams is
an NBC reporter in Philadelphia, and then deleted his post,
and he said he deleted it because it unfortunately was
interpreted as blaming Tonight's tragedy on policies in Washington. That
was certainly not my intent, which is garbage. Of course,
it is Trump's dangerous freeze of air traffic control hiring.
That's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: As someone who has covered aviation safety for many, many years,
I know that you cannot suddenly pull people out of
an ATC system that has already stretched to a breaking
point and still keep people safe. I do fear the
consequences of political decisions made without careful deliberation about the
impact on human lives. Right, But he shared that Butacari Sellers,
former South Carolina House of Representatives member, Now he's a
CNN contributor. He shared it eight day years ago and
deleted it. He said, because timing matters politics at this point,
doesn't He says, I messed up.
Speaker 1: I own that.
Speaker 2: I'm very prayerful, but I'm also very frustrated, upset and
disturbed with where we are as a country.
Speaker 1: I recognize I will do better.
Speaker 2: The only thing that matters is rescuing survivors and ensuring
this never happens again. So note what he just said there,
rescuing survivors. He tweeted this stuff out while they were
still trying to pull people from the wreckage, when they
thought they were still survivors. And I think this is
what Trump is responding to. All Right, if you're listening
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more transparent. Gary sends a tweet. It's a peat tweet.
Gary says Trump is a response to the left going
too far. He was back in twenty sixteen. Biden went
further and pushed horrible policies, so he got more Trump
and more support for Trump. I realize that the media
and the left don't want to take responsibility for getting Trump,
but people are tired of one side bulldozing the country
with what the left has. Yeah, I think that's how
I when I was watching the Trump press conference, after
having seen all of this stuff and prepared my show
notes for what I would be focusing on, and then
Trump comes on and does the press conference, and I'm
sitting there, you know, listening to it, and it's very
clear what he's to me, what he's responding to, he's
responding to the stuff that I just went over.
Speaker 1: Now will it be framed like that? Of course not.
Speaker 2: And if you didn't know all of that other stuff,
then you just see Trump come out say what he says,
and it's like, oh, this is not the right time
to be saying these things, or maybe you'd think it
was the right time to say those things. Like I
told you can have whatever opinion about it you want.
I'm not telling you to agree with me, but I
I can see the thing for for multiple or through
multiple lenses. Right Like number one, I would have preferred
that he just united everybody and he could have addressed
it in a different way.
Speaker 1: But I also recognize that Trump is Trump and this
is what he's going to do.
Speaker 2: And so he's hammering away at the DEI stuff, saying,
we're going to end all of this stuff because that's
what they were accusing him of. They're accusing him of
causing the crash because of hiring freezes and whatever. So
they're trying to protect the DEI stuff. And so they
come out and say, no, we're doing this. It should
be merit based, and you got to have you know,
qualified intelligent people, psychologically strong people doing this work. So
I understood what he was doing. But I'm sure you
know media will wash it through whatever whatever they're going
to wash it through.
Speaker 1: I oh, I can guess. All right, let me go
to the phones. I got a lot of people waiting.
Let's go to Dave. Hello, Dave, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Hey, Pete, thanks a lot. I want you to know
I've been pulled over on the side of the road
up here in the west North Carolina mountains for about
ten minutes and it's just so I could continue to
listen to your show, but also weigh in, Uh, you
need to share your notes with with your buddy Vince Cochley.
He really screwed the pooch in my opinion, UH with
his comments. Uh, this morning has earlier, he has has
an earlier, earlier timeslot he may not have had a
chance to do the homework that you did. Thank you
for doing your homework. By the way, can I change
voices with Ray? That made that a very important call earlier, Uh,
where he was trying to clarify what you were talking about,
because quite frankly, Pete, with your your communication was was
able to be taken the way he was taking it before.
Speaker 1: You clarified well, I think people are.
Speaker 6: Really deeply appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, I think people take it because they are
hyper sensitive to any criticism of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I really do, No, I really do. I think I
think there.
Speaker 6: Is I resemble that remark.
Speaker 1: Now, No, I know, I get it.
Speaker 2: Look, I understand that, like I just think it's because
it's happened and so many times over the last eight
years that Trump supporters think any kind of any kind
of critique on something when not I haven't even been
talking about Trump, but they they think I'm talking about
Donald Trump. It's like everything gets washed through this prism.
And this is why I keep saying people need to
you know, Trump, when Trump breaks people's brains out right,
it goes both ways. Yeah, I mean people cannot see
anything else. And it's the same it's the same affliction,
but from a different angle. The left is you know,
they see everything through Trump too, and it's like, but
it doesn't have to be that way. You're the one
making it that way, that's all.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Here's the other thing I want to mention, you know,
but you've hit it nail on the head man. Our
country is it's like a penulum. Okay, the penulum swings
a little bit, and they slings a little bit the
other way. Our penulum is swinging more and more severely. Yeah,
the right, and that is not a healthy thing for
our nation. And somebody has got to at some point say, look,
we have got to get this thing. And I believe
quite frankly that the merit based focus is the path forward,
and and these other we need to be need to
be sensitive. We need to absolutely combat racism, absolutely combat
any any unfairness that that we that we interact with.
But merit based is the best way to do that.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, hey, man, I'm sorry I tie up
all you down. I know you got no no.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, and yeah, be safe up there
in the mountains.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. And I did not hear anything
that Vin said.
Speaker 2: I can only speak for what I do on my
show and things that I have said. But so yeah,
so I can't address that. I do agree with the
pendulum swinging, and I do wish I do and and
again you can take this as a criticism of Donald Trump,
but I do wish that Trump was more tactful in
these types of scenarios.
Speaker 1: But he's not can be.
Speaker 2: I've seen him, like, I've seen him be a sympathetic
person and that kind of thing, but he wasn't in
this in this case. He you know, he did express
sympathy and all that, but then he goes, you know,
onto the de stuff and starts hammering away at all
of that stuff, cussing on, you know, on the radio
on the live radio broadcast. Got to hear Donald Trump
say bs live on the air. But that's what people
voted for. I would have preferred it go differently, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, here we are, all right.
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