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edutainer Arden Moore.

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Speaker 3: Hey, pet pals, Welcome to the old Behave show on

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Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Speaker 3: Now, our special guest is one of the stars and

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let's get a good word here heroes on the A

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and E popular show Hoarders. Now, hoarding is a mental condition.

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It can and does impact pets who live with people

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who just can't stop piling things up in their homes.

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Our special guest is going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Please join me right now and giving pause and applause

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to a very remarkable man, Brandon Brona. Welcome, Welcome Brandon.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Arden for having me. I'm so pleased to

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be here.

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Speaker 1: Now. I understand when you're not on camera with the

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show Hoarding Hoarders, you're the CEO of a company called

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life Cycle Transitions. Okay, explain a little bit. What is that.

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Speaker 4: Well, life Cycle Transitions was created in the celebration of

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the cycle of life. As people get older and situations change,

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you know, circumstances change, and we created the company to

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mirror of those changes, both mentally physically emotionally, to navigate

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the pitfalls of trying to figure out how to downsize,

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how to deal with the emotional bagage that often clutter.

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Let's say, let's admit so what attributes to yeah, and

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also make some decisions on when to put the house

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on the market, how to deal with it from an

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aesthetic structural standpoint, if there's things that need to be addressed,

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and how to prioritize that, eliminating the stress in the

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anxiousness that often comes and mediating the right solution because

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maybe the husband wants to go here, the father, the

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wife wants to go this direction. And then of course

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you got the adult kids that are really just anxious

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to help mom or dad sort of figure out the

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best course.

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Speaker 1: So you like to be in a job that has

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a lot of places, you've got to watch where you

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step in, because you could cause a mess, an emotional mess, right. Oh.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. In fact, we're walking into a lot of the

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emotional emotional concern that families don't quite know how to

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deal with.

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Speaker 1: And I'm loving your tone. You're not hyper. I don't

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think a person who's helping hoarders in that condition would

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be sounding like an auctioneer or screamer. I think you've

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got the perfect you know, voice and tone. I mean,

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what made you pick this area? It's not easy. I

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often tell people that I could have showed in a

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number of At times, I wonder who I did not

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ever sell ice cream? Who's been at about ice cream?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: But I had a plan, and you know God had

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a different one, You had a better one. You know.

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I wanted to just create a company that sort of

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helped people under one roof, you know. I wanted them

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to be able to have a one stop shop, and

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I was purely focused on the actual home for the

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most part. But then, as you can imagine, you touch

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everything that touches you in realizing the emotional ups and downs.

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I took this journey with our clients, and as I

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went through it, I began to learn more and more

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about people and how they change and how they adjust

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to different things, and you know when they're doing well,

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when they're not doing well, and how to help them

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check in.

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Speaker 1: The show was called Horders. It's been on a while

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on A and E. You started on season twelve. So

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how did you get plucked to put into the cast?

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Speaker 4: Well? I had been doing this. It's year today. I've

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been doing this for about seventeen years, and before the

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show had contacted me, I was already I want to say,

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about twelve years then or so. And then in that process,

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I had been working with Corey Chalmers, who's you know,

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the senior on his show. He's been doing it probably

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the longest, and he and I were We would work

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together and his his his directory. When experts were required

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in some of the states that he was physically there,

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he would refer them over to me and I would

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handle the client and he had saw how well they

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had been handled, and when the show was looking for

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new talent, he said, you know, there's this guy that

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you know is really talented, and I've heard a lot

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of good things because customers have been, you know, saying

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great things about him. You should give give him a shot.

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And I came out and went on my first episode

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and it was it was very nervous, but you I

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got through it. You know, the team, the support, the

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kind of clients, the family, you know, they embraced me.

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it's emotuous, exciting journey. Ever since then.

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Speaker 1: I think people might be surprised. I want two questions.

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Speaker 4: I want you to.

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Speaker 1: First to find, in Brandon's own words, what is a

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horror and why is it a mental condition?

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Speaker 4: Well, a horder is a number of different people dealing

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with a number of different mental, uh mental and emotional

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disorders that can perpetuate the hoarding tendencies in different different ways.

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may suffer from bibliomania traits. A lot of it is

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derived from some form of trauma, maybe a loss. If

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you will you know, losing someone, losing a career, losing

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a mobility or freedom if you can. And some of

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it is is ahead trauma, you know, a physical trauma

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where we've seen situations where people in a car accident

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or fall, a personality entirely changes. And now all of

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a sudden they go from being a person who is

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always tactical and strategic to becoming incredibly imposive and choices

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and decisions and sporadic. And now as a result of

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these this dramatic change, their physical environment has dramatically changed

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea of the studies that show

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like one in thirty people are hoarders, one in five hundred.

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Do you have any kind of statistics? What I know,

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there's degrees of hoarding and types of hoarding, But how

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prevalent is hoarding in our country?

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Speaker 4: It's very prevalent, and I think it's so prevalent that

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many of us don't quite know exactly when we're doing

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it or if we are. I mean, let's face it,

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in all the seventeen years, I would say about ten

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percent of the seven thousand clients that we've transitioned nationwide

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whatever even self identify themselves on the initial phone call

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as a hoarder. Most of the time, I chuckled when

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they call in and they say, I have a bit

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of a clutter situation, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh they like to be clutters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit of a clutter. I'm not like

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those people on the show. And I'm here listening to

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them and I'm saying, okay, And maybe they're not. In

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a lot of cases, you know, they may not have

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reached that level of extreme. But to identify yourself as

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a person that's afflicted with instance far less common, but

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the effects of it is indeed far more common. I

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can go into a person's home and I can tell

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a lot about them by the way that they stay

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in the home, how they live in the home, where

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they place things in the home, and it gives me

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an idea of, you know, a lot of what's going

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on in their personal life.

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Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to have you come to my home

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in Dallas. How's that I'm not a horder. We have pets,

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but the place is clean. And the best compliment we

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ever get is, oh, I didn't know you had a

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couple of cats, because you don't smell a dirty litter box.

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I'm just curious. Are you a neat freak?

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Speaker 4: You know what you would think because of what I

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do that certain things, certain things would trigger me. But no,

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Speaker 1: Oh come on, tell me a little sloppy, Brandon.

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Speaker 4: I have this chair that's sort of like my toss up.

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It's when I come in, when I come in from work,

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and these clothes can't go to the laundry. They need

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to go to the cleaners. And then you know, you

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don't get to the cleaners every day, So I put

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things in this particular chair, and if I happen to

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miss the cleaners drop on Friday or Saturday, then it

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can go another week, or it can go two weeks.

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I've seen it where my schedule is, let it get

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three weeks, and then we see things pile up, and

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I know at that point I got to get get

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over to the cleaners before this this pile gets out

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of can.

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Speaker 1: Everyone we're speaking with Brandon Bronow. He is on the

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show any show Hoarders. We're gonna take a quick break

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and when we come back, we're going to talk about

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the impact hoarding has on pets. So y'all know the

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drill sit stay We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: Time for a walk. I'm on the red car.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the old Behave show on pet Life Radio.

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I'm your host, Arden Moore. I am honored to have

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on our show. Brandon Brunow. He is on the A

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Cycle Transitions. We've talked about a little bit about hoarding,

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and this is a big deal for all of us

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who have pets because I have a lot of friends

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Brandon that work and the rescue and shelters and they

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get a call someone has far too many animals in

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their home. So people can hoard pets too.

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Speaker 4: Right, absolutely. In fact, you know, pet hoarding is the

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most challenging, the most emotional hoarding out of all the categories.

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In fact, a lot of companies like ours don't handle

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them because there's so many different bearables involved.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell us about how you do work with what

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which groups? If you get a call and you know

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you got SENTI in b there that need help, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean unfortunately, you know, our pets don't have the

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privilege of being able to pick up the phone and

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call you know, nine one one and say hey, I

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want to get out of here. But I can't tell

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I can't tell you how many times it's broken my

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heart when I've been in these homes and I'm literally

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seeing a lot of these animals that are suffering and

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the look on their face as though they want me

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to come rescue them. They're like, get me out of

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here and barb bounce to the client that's calling us

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to the home to help them. You know, when you

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impose questions or concerns like listen, you know you have

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two or three or four animals, and you're not caring

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for any of them in the manner that they should.

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a lot of care and compassion, but do you feel

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in your heart that these animals will be better served

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in an environment where they can be individually loved and treated,

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you know, with the affection and the care that they deserve.

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you're able to talk them to a place and we've

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been successful. We've been really successful at rehousing and relocating

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clients to our home rescue program where we would come

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cruelty if shelters involved. We've even adopted a lot of

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animals within our client full of transition clients. We would

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we've seen that were looking for companionship animals. We would

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Speaker 1: Can you share a specific something that you felt good about,

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because we're able to help the person that has a

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hoarding issue but also get the care and love that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a situation unfortunately what a family where

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a young man was in his early twins and the

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peak of his life. He unfortunately, he unfortunately overdose and

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the wake of that, we transition the condo onto the

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market so that the family can do what they need

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to do with the property and the cat that was

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in the home that he that he was bearing for.

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it was the family was so excited and so emthatic

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because you know, they know how much this cat meant

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to their son. So we were able to show pictures

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and updates for many years, at least four years. You

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this particular client, but unfortunately, you know, he passed away

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about three years ago. But it meant a lot to

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life cycle for us to be able to do that,

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and we've done that, I want to say, about three

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or four times with various transitions not always clients that

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we were able to use, but sometimes we were able

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to transition them into two rescues.

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Speaker 1: And where are you based and is this an opportunity

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across the country to place these animals or you know

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there's a good network of shelters and rescues word nationwide.

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Speaker 4: We originated and started in Massachusetts, that's our home office,

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but we covered the in entire country and we're working

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out ways into Canada and far beyond. We believe that

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we're the missing link when it comes to people going

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through real life situation because that's basically we get the

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call when something happened, something's going to happen, or something

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needs to happen, and we'd like to educate it and

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inspire people to be more proactive rather than reactionary art.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate. And your team has kind of got

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a lot of different occupations. If you will, can you

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kind of run down some of the experts on the

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life Cycle Transitions team. I mean, it's not just it

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is you, who obviously knows how to counsel on hoarding,

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but there's other kinds of people you need on your team.

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have over two hundred plus technicians that serve our clients

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needs throughout the country. We have transition coordinators, behavioral specialists,

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social workers, case managers. We have a home care division

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that focuses on transitioning clients to and from hospitals and

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nursing homes. We're the only company to be endorsed through

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major healthcare companies as a partner, which is when I

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saw and foresaw a lot of these environmental concerns and

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how they affected individuals pulmonarily and through a COPD and

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through the respiratory failures. When there's smoke, there's fire, and

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when there's often ording, unfortunately there's mode and a lot

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of these clients, especially with the dogs, they don't understand

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the environmental conditions and concerns that cat urine you can

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do to you. If those liuer boxes and things aren't done. No,

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let's get into poop and pea for two hundred Brandon. Seriously,

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this is serious because if they're not cleaning up after

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their pets, and the pet isn't getting to go outside,

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the dog and the house reeks of smell and stain,

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tell us what the medical issue is for both the

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person and the dog or the cat.

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Speaker 4: Well, we just recently rescued a client in Houston who

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contacted us and said, hey, listen, I'm in trouble. She

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was young, you know, early thirty, and she had acknowledged

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the fact that she had been in the home as

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she just recently boughved maybe three four years ago, and

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she said, I want to leave. I want to go.

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There are a lot of clients that want to leave,

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know that the situation has reached the point of no

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return and it's untenable and it's unhealthy, but they stay,

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and unfortunately they suffer too because they can't find a

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place to get the dog and the animals. In her case,

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she wanted to leave the home, but her biggest concern

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Arden was what am I going to do with my pets?

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I can't leave them. And their fear is that the

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animals are gonna, unfortunately be put down. So you know,

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our job, you mean, your job is to educate them

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and to inform them that just because you get your

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animal rehoused or there's a rescue agency involved, these animals

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are not always, in most cases ever going to be

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put down because you can't care for them. And in

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her case, she had eight pets, you know, six of

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them were cats, two dogs, and the animals had you know, unfortunately,

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you know, defecated their sphecal manner all over the floor.

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Speaker 1: It had to be pungent.

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Speaker 4: It was incredibly and literally the smell of the aroma,

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the cidity, the ammonia that comes from these situations was

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permeating a block, almost a half of block, four or

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five houses before we got to our house. As we

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got closer to our home and leaning, the neighbors were

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directing us to the house that we were going to.

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Speaker 1: You didn't need a bloodhound to find the scent.

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Speaker 4: It was right there. It was right there. And the

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first thing we did is obviously we wanted to open

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the doors that at the place conventilate because we were

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smelling it. With the door, the windows and everything shut.

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That's how bad the situation was. So leap. What it

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does is it affects their respiratory system. You got nausea,

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you got disorientation, vomiting, You're essentially you're suffocating yourself. I mean,

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you're putting yourself in such grave condition. This unimagined that

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people don't feel these symptoms, but over a period they

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become somewhat immuwe to these elements. So in her case,

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we had to literally take down the entire floor, all

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the way to the sub floor. Oh yeah, it's a

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massive undertaking when people don't care for their pets and

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it gets to this point.

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Speaker 1: So people tune into our show, Brandon. We have a

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zillion that do, and we've been on the air since

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I think two thousand and six or seven. We're the

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longest running pet podcasts on the planet. So they're not

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all my relatives tuning in right now, Brandon. How can

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people help this situation? Where can they go lend? Because

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people have different talents. Some people have fat wallets, some

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people have time on their hands, some people have you know, skills.

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How can people help out what you all are doing? Well?

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Speaker 4: I mean, for one, you can lend your voice. If

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you know someone or have someone that has experienced certain situations,

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go on to programs and platforms like yours to share

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those popular stories. Acts as a conduit or encouragement, and

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especially in hoarding situations. I've noticed the more we talk

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about these things, the more we have these candid conversations,

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the better we are basically extinguishing the shame and the

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embarrassment that goes in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's important. It is a condition, it isn't I

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know some people that have a lot of stuff in

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their homes and they say, well, it was from my mom,

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And I look at the chair and it's held together

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by masking tape and duct tape, and I'm like, your

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mom passed away when well, she passed away forty five

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years ago, but I can't get rid of the chair.

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So it is an emotional attachment in some cases, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. And when you think about the pets and you

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think about people that hold them, they're not objects. These

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pets all have personalities, identities, and so it's easy for

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these individuals that suffer for recording to have such a

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strong connection in a bond. The key to breaking those

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bad habits is to really bring home to them. Be

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important to making sure that if you love them, then

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we have to learn how I love them in the

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right way.

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Speaker 1: So if you suspect a neighbor or a friend who

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has pets is hoarding and it's going to impact the

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health of them all, what's the first step they should

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do first thing they should do, communicate with the person

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in question. I don't recommend having the town or the

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city just sort of show up at these people's doors,

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but I've given them proper notice of being able to

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fix the situation. Don give them a little bit of

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time to address the situation, and if they don't address.

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Speaker 4: It in a time. You're living in an apartment, then

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it's probably important that you let the men have these

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bylaws if you're a condo owner, but if you have

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a situation where you have a family member involved. Life

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cycle transitions will be a great starting point because we

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focus on the actual transition of getting the home to

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a situation where it's sustainable. Because in some of these

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cases they can handle the two or maybe one or

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two or three pets if the environment is conducing for

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the animal to live and move about prely, so if

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we can address that, we'll give them a chance to

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our transition care plan, which is a slower, more long

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term approach. After seventeen years of realizing that some clients

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can't go in and do a hoarding project in five

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or seven days, but you know what, they can do

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a hoarding project one time a week over seven or

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eight weeks, and that's with the Transition care prow.

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Speaker 1: I saw an episode with a gown named Angel, and

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you and your team were very gentle with her because

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this was hard for her. And so it's like, you know,

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maybe two steps forward, one step back.

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Speaker 4: Kind of right. Yeah, we're we're the only company that

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we do our intake forms a large percentage of them

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with our behavior specially, so instead of just having a

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cleaning or a junk remobile company person come in to

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do your evaluation, we've created our Transition Evaluation Assessment to

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have a case manager social workers go out and meet

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with the clients so that we can get that one

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on one connection.

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Speaker 1: What if you could have a trait dogs have that

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we don't. What would be something you wish you could

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what's your inner dog trait?

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Speaker 4: Brandon, I would like to sniff out more hoarding opportunities

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to help more people.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I didn't expect that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, get a little bloodhound in your nose,

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wish right, Yeah, a little bit of that.

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, we've been speaking with Brandon Bronow. He is

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the CEO of Life Cycles Transition and of course he's

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on the A and E Show Hoarders. I want you

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to check out that show. Brandon, I really salute you

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for what you're doing to help people and pets that

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need help and they can't speak.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to be here, and

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I really do commend you for all the work you've

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got to do as well.

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Speaker 1: Obehave all right, we got some people listening, so hopefully

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you get some help coming your way at this time.

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I also want to give a shout out to my producer,

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Mark Winter. He is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio.

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It is the largest pet radio network.

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Speaker 4: I'm not playing it.

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Speaker 1: And he's not a clutter, he's not a hoarder. He's

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just a nice guy. Everybody got some big news. When

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I'm not behind the mic, I am a master certified

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And until next time, this is your flea Free host

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are more, delivering just two words to all U, two,

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