Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated
Speaker 1: to horror movies and awesomeness. This week we have a
Speaker 1: look at the twenty twenty four horror film wear Wolves.
Speaker 1: This is episode four hundred and fifty three. Bear in
Speaker 1: mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about it from the perspective of horror fans
Speaker 1: who have seen it. So warning, and I mean this
Speaker 1: spoilers ahead. This is a new movie. This thing is
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not quite as new as wolf Man,
Speaker 1: which we saw last week, but it is quite new.
Speaker 1: So morning morning from Denver, Colorado. I'm your host, Jason Henderson,
Speaker 1: publisher at castle Bridge Media, home of the Castle of
Speaker 1: Horror anthology. With me for Austin is Tony Salvaggio, lead
Speaker 1: singer and basses to the band Deserts of Mars and
Speaker 1: lead guitars to the band Rise from Fire. Say Hello, Tony,
Speaker 1: Howdy Howdy. Also in Austin, our Lover of were Wolves.
Speaker 1: Mister Drew is the writer creator of the long running
Speaker 1: underground comic Halloween Man, which you can find in Global Comics.
Speaker 1: He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee Austin Chronicle Best
Speaker 1: of Austin Award winner and a member of the Pen
Speaker 1: America Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew, Hey, Hey, fite me. And
Speaker 1: finally also in Denver color commentary from Joya Gusmann of
Speaker 1: Gusman Immigration of Denver, Say Hello, Hello, Hello Hello. All Right,
Speaker 1: So Werewolves This is a twenty twenty four and I
Speaker 1: mean tail end so that now it's coming to VOD
Speaker 1: action horror film. Directed and produced by Stephen C. Miller.
Speaker 1: It stars Frank Grillo, Katrina law Liffinichhdera, James Michael Cummings,
Speaker 1: and the one and only Richie Allens himself lou Diamond Phillips.
Speaker 1: The story takes place in the night of a super
Speaker 1: moon event so called that causes humans to turn into werewolves,
Speaker 1: which first occurred the preceding year, and it follows the
Speaker 1: attempts of various factions as they try to control the situation.
Speaker 1: The film was released in December, like December sixth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. So what a movie. We are making our
Speaker 1: way through wherewolf films, and we're going to get to
Speaker 1: some schlock because I will get my chance.
Speaker 2: To, I would argue, we might already party. Well, who
Speaker 2: knows we're in there.
Speaker 1: When I say schlock though, I mean like like you know,
Speaker 1: some random loop guru movie from the seventies that was
Speaker 1: on TV of.
Speaker 2: A certain vintage and budget.
Speaker 1: Right, this is this. This is a good looking picture,
Speaker 1: and that is true. You know, this is the Dragon's
Speaker 1: Layer of Where Wolves basically. So let's go Tony Julia
Speaker 1: Drew and then we'll get into it with opening thoughts.
Speaker 1: If I have anything to say, I will rapidly say it.
Speaker 1: Tony opening thoughts on Where Wolves twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of fun with this movie. I mean,
Speaker 3: I like the effects. I think it's you know, a
Speaker 3: good action wrong. It kind of reminded me of a
Speaker 3: big budget. It brought me back to kind of VHS
Speaker 3: era action, and I mean that in the best possible way.
Speaker 3: There's no shade in that, but just like the pacing
Speaker 3: and the way like like it goes, I think it
Speaker 3: goes past kind of nineties action, back a little bit
Speaker 3: to eighties action in the way that it's told and
Speaker 3: kind of the beats as well as this kind of
Speaker 3: notion of hey, we're gonna here's what's happening. You know.
Speaker 3: I really it does feel kind of like the pitch
Speaker 3: meeting was probably so the purge to were wolves. Guys,
Speaker 3: what do you think?
Speaker 1: You know, yes, but that's fine.
Speaker 3: There's you know, there's some pseudoscience they're trying out, and
Speaker 3: there's you know, lots of action stuff and there's school
Speaker 3: looking where wolves like. I mean, I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: the parts that are practical are pretty rad. There's lots
Speaker 3: of you know, crazy death and different factions and all
Speaker 3: of that. But it had that again. This is this
Speaker 3: is one of those movies where I went, you know,
Speaker 3: this would work back in the day, but now we
Speaker 3: get to see, you know what it's like with you know,
Speaker 3: probably more expensive cameras and you know, all these effects
Speaker 3: and you know, bigger, bigger budget all the way.
Speaker 1: I love you when you said DHS like, we were
Speaker 1: looking at some VHS action posters over the weekend, right,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't really thought about that in a long time,
Speaker 1: where somebody'd be like, you know, this guy is going
Speaker 1: to be a robot and that's kind of guy's going
Speaker 1: to be a monster.
Speaker 3: And look you posted about the Eliminators poster and that
Speaker 3: is like and eliminators. If I remember correctly, I'm sure
Speaker 3: it probably had some uh some theatrical release. I can't remember,
Speaker 3: like I had to look it up again, but I
Speaker 3: think it was one also that was in those packages
Speaker 3: for like a video store, like by x amount of
Speaker 3: copies of Eliminators and also these you know, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: because that was one of those posters. And it looks
Speaker 3: it's one of those where the poster is perhaps even
Speaker 3: more evocative than the movie. Yes, but but this I
Speaker 3: there could have this could have sold on a werewolf
Speaker 3: action poster. I mean it's got chain guns and yeah
Speaker 3: greens and people in their houses and you know, it
Speaker 3: sets up everything really early on, like here's here's the
Speaker 3: you know X, here's the vet and his guns, and
Speaker 3: you know, here's the family, and all those things are
Speaker 3: all it up for you, like really tightly. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I had fun with it, and I you know, I'm
Speaker 3: unsure how well it did in the theater. I just
Speaker 3: I kept wanting to catch it and I just didn't
Speaker 3: have time, unfortunately. But I bet it was fun in
Speaker 3: the theater with with people would like minded theater goers.
Speaker 3: You know, wow, look at that. You know, that's that's
Speaker 3: the fun. I mean, in the BHS stage, it would
Speaker 3: have been you and your buddies right, yes, in a
Speaker 3: you know whoa and then you talk about it on Monday.
Speaker 1: As well, So thank you. Uh, that's a good start.
Speaker 1: This is a VHS action movie with a much bigger budget. Julia,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that meant anything to you. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were the prime target for
Speaker 1: VHS action in the day. So, uh, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts about about Werewolves?
Speaker 4: I was not the prime audience. I I didn't enjoy
Speaker 4: this movie that much for the reasons that Number one
Speaker 4: it's which is you know, I don't like but boyds,
Speaker 4: are the effects good? Like the gory things look really effective.
Speaker 4: It really does look like where we'll just grab somebody's
Speaker 4: face right off or somebody's chest right off so that
Speaker 4: they get their roobcage. So that stuff was well done.
Speaker 4: Applause to whoever you know the effects person was, which
Speaker 4: I probably should pull up while I'm talking, but I
Speaker 4: you know, that's not my thing. But you know, I
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of things that were bugging me. Uh,
Speaker 4: And so I was kind of getting distracted by a
Speaker 4: lot of questions like why is that happening? Where did this,
Speaker 4: how did this start? Where did this come from? Who
Speaker 4: is that like that? And so those I felt like
Speaker 4: there were a lot of moments that maybe got left
Speaker 4: on the cutting room floor. I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: there was like twenty minutes of this movie that they
Speaker 4: had to cut that ended up making other scenes not
Speaker 4: make as much sense or other choices that makes much
Speaker 4: sense to me, and that was kind of distracting. I
Speaker 4: was distracted by Well, I'll get more into specifics later,
Speaker 4: but but I will say that it's super scary, and
Speaker 4: I think that the actors turn out some really decent performances.
Speaker 4: They seem to actually be, you know, quite traumatized by
Speaker 4: all this, So mixed feelings for me.
Speaker 1: Excellent, Thank you very much, Tony. Sorry Drew you we
Speaker 1: started first with you last time. This time you get
Speaker 1: to bring up the rear. Uh, explain to me where
Speaker 1: did you come up with that we needed to see
Speaker 1: this movie and and what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, first off, we got two fairly big
Speaker 2: budgeted were wolf movies within a month of each other.
Speaker 2: That's that I can't remember the last time that happened.
Speaker 2: Because like were wolves, as much as I enjoy them,
Speaker 2: they're kind of the underloved monster out of like the
Speaker 2: big popular horror icons. You know, like they're not you know,
Speaker 2: they're not vampire, they're not zombies, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: they're not even ghosts. You know, Like there just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to be as many were wolf movies at least.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's dozens of low budget werewolf movies, yeah,
Speaker 2: as as Jason already alluded to, but there doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to be as many big budget werewolf movies. And as
Speaker 2: it happens, like both of these werewolf movies were also
Speaker 2: just distributed distributed by Universal Studios. So that's kind of
Speaker 2: wild to think about too. Also, like like Tony, I
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, wanted to check this out when
Speaker 2: it was in theaters. I don't know how well it did,
Speaker 2: but it you know, I do recall it got some
Speaker 2: positive buzz online, and you know it just you know,
Speaker 2: because I have a baby, I have to be more
Speaker 2: selective about which movies I am going to see in
Speaker 2: the theater, and so I never did. And so when
Speaker 2: we were kicking around topics and we hit on the
Speaker 2: idea of doing another werewolf retrospective, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: let's let's do wear Wolves. And I am so glad
Speaker 2: that we did I really really really enjoyed this. It it,
Speaker 2: you know, is everything that Tony says. It just sort
Speaker 2: of feels like somebody did a sort of Full Moon
Speaker 2: Studios release, but with a much bigger budget. I you know,
Speaker 2: they say the per you know, the Purge of Werewolves.
Speaker 2: To me, this is almost like it's a zombie movie,
Speaker 2: but with were wolves instead of zombies. It's the were
Speaker 2: Wolf Apocalypse, which is kind of a novelty. I also
Speaker 2: really like the sort of specificness of the tone of
Speaker 2: this because the movie takes the universe that it's taking
Speaker 2: place in and takes everything that happens in it with
Speaker 2: a lot of gravita. But it is, you know what,
Speaker 2: taken on its face value, an extremely silly movie with
Speaker 2: extremely silly stuff in it. But I like that everything
Speaker 2: is committed to this universe, and you know, honestly, it
Speaker 2: makes me wish that there was a little more of it. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I kept thinking of Donna the Dead or
Speaker 2: Escape from New York, where you kind of got sequences
Speaker 2: where you sort of explore the world that it's taking place,
Speaker 2: and I kind of wish there was a little bit
Speaker 2: more of that in here, because I found myself kind
Speaker 2: of curious about the universe, this existence. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: really you know, I mean I hate the pit two
Speaker 2: movies against each other, but I you know, as much
Speaker 2: as I had reservations about The New Wolfman, I really really,
Speaker 2: really just enjoyed the hell out of this. Like it
Speaker 2: was just it hit me and I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: it was the right movie on the right day, but
Speaker 2: like I just was grinning ear to ear through the
Speaker 2: entire runtime.
Speaker 3: I think you hit it with the full moon reference,
Speaker 3: just because a lot of full moon movies do you
Speaker 3: have that kind of balance between hey, it's a little
Speaker 3: it's if you overthink it, it's maybe a little silly.
Speaker 3: And again I don't mean that as a knock, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just the vibe of it, like where you come
Speaker 3: in straight, like, hey, by the way, everybody, just so
Speaker 3: you know, there was a super moon, lots of people
Speaker 3: got turned into were wolves, you know, and just but
Speaker 3: but the tone isn't like Winkie at the viewer. It's
Speaker 3: just hey, guys, here's where we're at and we're going
Speaker 3: to go. Now it's time to go. Well, I mean
Speaker 3: I feel like that that that flavor is there in
Speaker 3: the like again in the best possible ways.
Speaker 2: Think about the puppet Master movie exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: Those those are taken on face value are it would
Speaker 2: be ridiculous. But the especially the first three take the
Speaker 2: concept like absolutely play it completely straight. And I I love, uh,
Speaker 2: you know when a when a you know, a B
Speaker 2: movie concept kind of does get get get played with
Speaker 2: without a shred of irony, Like there's just something fun
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I always used to think, I mean,
Speaker 1: now we have an MCU and we've had one for
Speaker 1: like ten or however many years. They've been women doing it.
Speaker 1: But I used to think of Marvel comics exactly this way,
Speaker 1: that you could have the wildest concept and everybody in
Speaker 1: the story would just play it totally straight. And that
Speaker 1: was what was so great about it because that then
Speaker 1: you can really then you know, you can engage in
Speaker 1: any flights of fancy that you want as long as
Speaker 1: everybody is playing along that that it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: So let's so let's get into it. This movie is about,
Speaker 1: as you called it, a werewolf apocalypse. There has been
Speaker 1: in and we jump over a lot. This is one
Speaker 1: of the those movies that sets up the world real
Speaker 1: quick and you used to have to run with. It's
Speaker 1: a runaway train. You are in a world where as
Speaker 1: of a year ago, something went down with the moon
Speaker 1: and it caused something to happen atmospherically. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we really know exactly why,
Speaker 1: But now.
Speaker 2: The characters they don't even know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like not living dead, we don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what caused it. But regardless, now everybody's allergic to the moon.
Speaker 1: It turns you into werewolves. Done like so, so all
Speaker 1: of their world is built around two things, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to not be exposed to the you know,
Speaker 1: the deadly effects of the moon's rays, and how to
Speaker 1: survive the onslaught of people who have been turned into
Speaker 1: werewolves by the moon's rays. And and and I guess
Speaker 1: there's a further thing that don't really talk about but
Speaker 1: is clearly present in this movie, which is that since
Speaker 1: werewolves are running around at night, those werewolves are your
Speaker 1: your neighbors. So ideally you shouldn't want to just like
Speaker 1: murderize all of them, you know, because they're people. They're
Speaker 1: just they're just regular people that have been turned into
Speaker 1: were wolves.
Speaker 2: So and there's millions of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all all all people basically who are exposed
Speaker 1: to move. Everybody has the virus. This is like a
Speaker 1: zombie thing where everybody could be a zombie at any
Speaker 1: moment and could be turned back from a zombie, which
Speaker 1: is this is this is really wild. It's very different
Speaker 1: from other apocalypses you've seen, and it's different from other
Speaker 1: werewolves that we've seen.
Speaker 4: And it's different from other contagions that we've seen because
Speaker 4: it's not focused on who is immune and why let's
Speaker 4: try to come up with some kind of vaccine, and
Speaker 4: it's interesting to me. I'm wondering if this film was
Speaker 4: being made during COVID, because probably was, because it does
Speaker 4: feel like it's inspired by you know, contagion also movies,
Speaker 4: and it felt feels like there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: crowds together, like there's a lot of even when like,
Speaker 4: for example, even when they crashed into a bus, we
Speaker 4: don't see any other people on the bus. People tend
Speaker 4: to be kind of spread apart in a lot of
Speaker 4: the scenes. So I'm kind of wondering if it was
Speaker 4: filling COVID.
Speaker 2: And I assumed that it was at least written during COVID,
Speaker 2: Like like the concerns of the movie make it feel
Speaker 2: very much like a like a something that was at
Speaker 2: least in the screenplay planning during COVID.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But yeah, but there's not anything about like how
Speaker 4: do we there is that they're trying to come up
Speaker 4: with this moon screen, like Jason's saying that will block
Speaker 4: the moon, But there's not an idea that, oh, we've
Speaker 4: found some people who are immune and so we're trying
Speaker 4: to create a vaccine. That's you know, taking advantage of that,
Speaker 4: which I think would have been interesting, but maybe that'll
Speaker 4: be a different movie.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean also by not doing that, then at
Speaker 1: least you don't have the same conversations you hear in
Speaker 1: all the other pictures where hey, there's a vial, there's
Speaker 1: a VCS, there's a vaccine we get to get we
Speaker 1: got to move the vaccine from here to there. You know,
Speaker 1: you have different different side quests in this yeah go
Speaker 1: ahead premise.
Speaker 3: The premise though, is that they don't they don't know
Speaker 3: enough yet to even get to there, so they have
Speaker 3: to do the moonscreen thing first and monitor them. That's
Speaker 3: what they're hoping. Like when when all when the when
Speaker 3: it starts to all hell breaks loose. The first thing is, hey,
Speaker 3: we have this, We finally developed this moonscreen thing, so
Speaker 3: now we can try to get basically, they're going to
Speaker 3: use the control group. You know, we're trying to get
Speaker 3: a control group because after that we can hope to
Speaker 3: get a cure. But first we need to get people.
Speaker 3: We need to make people not change and figure out
Speaker 3: the differences. And so that that I thought was actually
Speaker 3: interesting that they're kind of you know, taking it in steps,
Speaker 3: which is you know, I mean as as kind of
Speaker 3: as in some parts scientists. Science is like I don't know,
Speaker 3: but but like there's thought and it's not just some
Speaker 3: magic thing or whatever you know, stage there's like a
Speaker 3: there's like a theoretical scientific, biological like thing there that
Speaker 3: works in the premise. It works in the premise of
Speaker 3: this or I'm sure you know, knowing what I know
Speaker 3: that some of the sciences like, okay, whatever, but that's
Speaker 3: not that's neither here nor there. It's just that's the
Speaker 3: way we're doing things. But having it, you know, get
Speaker 3: into that control group by by trying to monitor, you know,
Speaker 3: how long can we can we keep first foremost to
Speaker 3: solve the problem, they're going to turn into were wolves.
Speaker 3: So we can just keep people from turning to were wolves.
Speaker 3: We can figure out the virus part later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 3: That's kind of cool.
Speaker 4: Actually, So that scene where they have so they've put
Speaker 4: these four people into cages and they've and they've said, okay,
Speaker 4: we're ready for them to turn and one of the
Speaker 4: people is this like super rational like military guy. So Okay,
Speaker 4: this is what I'm talking about when I say there's
Speaker 4: things that irritated me. So we see these people with
Speaker 4: like half their skin burned. Why, like, why is there
Speaker 4: that we don't know? We don't find that out.
Speaker 2: I assume that's.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That the stars are from when they were where.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's just the two of them, nobody else.
Speaker 4: Like there's the guy that the Asian guy who Miles
Speaker 4: is the character's name, and then there's another person in
Speaker 4: the line going in or maybe it was the same person,
Speaker 4: but I didn't notice his eye. It seemed like when
Speaker 4: when the person was in line, they had a screwed
Speaker 4: up eye. But then mileson. So I don't know, but
Speaker 4: at least one, if not two people had that, but
Speaker 4: nobody else does. So it's like, why where did this
Speaker 4: scoring company.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So then we've got this great character, Miles played by
Speaker 4: James Kyson is the guy's name. I love Miles. I
Speaker 4: want to see Miles do well and come out of this. Nope,
Speaker 4: he doesn't he so that that bothered me. He is great.
Speaker 4: Then you've got these two guys who were already just
Speaker 4: off their rockers, like the They basically they said they
Speaker 4: didn't have enough volunteers, so they had to grab some
Speaker 4: four people from the psychiatric world.
Speaker 2: It's also they they put forth the idea that once
Speaker 2: you've changed into a werewolf for you kind of want
Speaker 2: to change back.
Speaker 4: Oh I miss that. Okay, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: They compare it to being a you know, a drug addiction, and.
Speaker 3: That's why he goes got you, got You, got you?
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense. And then you've got the poor
Speaker 4: woman who just changes her mind and I felt so
Speaker 4: bad for her because they wouldn't let her come out anyway.
Speaker 4: Then you got lou Diamond Phillips. He's in charge of
Speaker 4: the whole thing. Okay, so fine, whatever, I get it.
Speaker 4: They're doing this study. Fine, they're going to open the
Speaker 4: giant moon roof, which I'm like, that seems successive. That technology,
Speaker 4: but whatever, and then whenever they turn like all hell
Speaker 4: breaks loose for no apparent reason, which that just bugged
Speaker 4: the crap out of me and I and I and
Speaker 4: it bugged me that it was so I felt bad
Speaker 4: for anybody who was flash sensitive because that was there
Speaker 4: was so much strobe lights, like there was no reason
Speaker 4: just because Miles Werewolf, Miles is able to grab the
Speaker 4: machine that was gonna spray him with the more of
Speaker 4: the moonscreen stuff he that therefore everything breaks apart and
Speaker 4: the roof won't close. What what happened? It made no sense.
Speaker 4: It was chaotic for no reason, and that that right
Speaker 4: there immediately turned me off. I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: annoyed by this whole scene.
Speaker 2: My question about this whole setup because you know, you know,
Speaker 2: going in that the it's it's not going to work
Speaker 2: the way it planned because it's the Ryan George thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's so the movie can happen. So my question,
Speaker 2: you know is, you know, I'm thinking of of ways
Speaker 2: you could have, you know, maybe given this movie a
Speaker 2: little bit more breathing room in spaces, you know, and
Speaker 2: I guess you would lose the whole drive to go
Speaker 2: get his family. But it seems to me that Frank
Speaker 2: Grillo's character is part of this group. Why wouldn't they
Speaker 2: have his family.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question where I didn't think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Frank Grillo, who appears to be Frank Grilla, who's
Speaker 1: a former marine and has been deployed and is an
Speaker 1: action guy. Uh. And it's like, you know, with his
Speaker 1: zero point five percent body fat, is also the leading
Speaker 1: molecular biologist in the United States in the study of chemistry,
Speaker 1: and and he is. And so doctor Grillo whatever he's called,
Speaker 1: Doctor Marshall is distracted, of course, because he's worried about
Speaker 1: his sisters, I think.
Speaker 3: But they set that up, like whether whether it's bugs
Speaker 3: you or not, they set it up as like they
Speaker 3: do want to stay home, They want to be in
Speaker 3: their family home. There there there's tension, uh, but there's
Speaker 3: there's a love between you know, Hey, that was my
Speaker 3: you know, sorry, your your husband and your kid's dad died.
Speaker 3: That was my brother. But there's a there's a there
Speaker 3: seems to be an on like a thing where they
Speaker 3: they want to stay home. He's trying to protect them
Speaker 3: as much as possible. But I also think that the
Speaker 3: reason they're not there is he does kind of also
Speaker 3: want them. She says, hey, you don't have to go.
Speaker 3: So there's a perception that there's danger in this and
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to expose them. I mean, of course
Speaker 3: that's what happens. But like the reason they're not there
Speaker 3: is exactly why they say, Like she's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have to do this, like just stay with
Speaker 3: us and protect this and also be here with your family.
Speaker 2: As it turns out, would have probably been the correct.
Speaker 3: Right of course, of course. But again, so the movie,
Speaker 3: that's why they're not there there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, actually I remember it the other way, didn't
Speaker 1: He say maybe I should stay? And she says yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. But still with the conversation should I stay
Speaker 1: or should I go? And and he ends up he
Speaker 1: has to go and and you know, do molecular biology stuff.
Speaker 2: Hey, somebody that that moon screen is not going to perfect?
Speaker 4: Jason, what did you say that when I said that
Speaker 4: there's no way this guy's molecul was just you likened
Speaker 4: it too well?
Speaker 1: I mean Denise Richards as the nuclear physicist.
Speaker 2: I mean, I am sure that there are really really
Speaker 2: hot scientists out there.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot I've been to a lot of
Speaker 1: CrossFit classes, and a lot of these guys are super molecular.
Speaker 1: Some of them are molecular biologists. But I I just
Speaker 1: I've met Look, there's a lot of hot doctors. Let
Speaker 1: me put it that way, if you go to you know,
Speaker 1: so I think it's completely plausible.
Speaker 2: It's it's more just perpetually grizzled every man. Frank Grillo,
Speaker 2: you know who. Look, I love Frank Grillo. I I
Speaker 2: you know, he's what you know, every you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's always like the actors that that you wish were
Speaker 2: like bigger, Like he's always somebody that I thought of,
Speaker 2: Like this guy should be like the new Stallone or
Speaker 2: the new Schwartzenegger. Like why is because he's he's not
Speaker 2: only is he good at the action stuff, but like
Speaker 2: he is a decent he's a decent actor. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's he he can play bad guys, he can play
Speaker 2: good guys. You know, like he's he's he's so he's
Speaker 2: got some range. I don't know if his range includes
Speaker 2: molecular biologists, but you know, like since it's not that
Speaker 2: bit like he's only doing science guy stuff for about
Speaker 2: ten minutes and then the rest of the movie is
Speaker 2: him action here, you know, yeah, doing doing the action
Speaker 2: hero thing.
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, no, I think, I mean, it's fine,
Speaker 4: it's fine. It's fine that he's whatever. It's fine if.
Speaker 2: We can accept that Arnold Swarzenegger has been everything from
Speaker 2: you know, a small town American sheriff to like, you know,
Speaker 2: average America can dad, you know, like they they've Swartzenegger
Speaker 2: has been miscast is everything, and it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: Really, he's much better than I mean. And look, Chuck
Speaker 1: Norris is is a force to be reckoned with, for sure,
Speaker 1: but Frank Grillo is an excellent actor compared to some
Speaker 1: of our eighties' favorites, like like Chuck Norris. You know, so,
Speaker 1: so I think I think he could he could do
Speaker 1: a lot, but uh we do. Yeah, so let's see,
Speaker 1: uh where should we go from here? After things blow
Speaker 1: up in.
Speaker 2: The Diamond, Phillips gets turns into a motherfucking werewolf.
Speaker 4: They all do all those guys well I mean not
Speaker 4: all of them, but all the guys in the thing
Speaker 4: plus him. Yeah, it's everybody who gets exposed to the
Speaker 4: moon because because the stupid.
Speaker 2: Roof, well they have they have what looks like radiation
Speaker 2: suits with the Iron Man, Yeah, the Iron Man computer
Speaker 2: in her face inside the helmets.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And well that leaves us with only two people survive.
Speaker 1: You have you have Frank Glow as doctor Marshall and
Speaker 1: Katrina Law as doctor Chen who's the wife of Miles,
Speaker 1: the one who, unfortunately for and.
Speaker 4: For Katrina grieves her husband for about three minutes and
Speaker 4: then that's and then and then I get you enough
Speaker 4: time to be grieving, but she sure seemed to get
Speaker 4: over it pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: They have a mission now, and their mission is to
Speaker 1: cross the city. And actually I really love the way
Speaker 1: this script works because they're like, all right, so now
Speaker 1: that was act one. Now we're into the goal is
Speaker 1: these guys who are our leads now are going to
Speaker 1: cross the city because the lab is.
Speaker 4: Now full of were wolves and so we may as
Speaker 4: well go be with his family to help them.
Speaker 2: Well, and they have the moon screen, which doesn't work perfect,
Speaker 2: but it works. It's the ticking timer thing like it
Speaker 2: was for an hour.
Speaker 1: Great and I love it. I love Okay.
Speaker 4: So here's the thing. So every time there's noise, the
Speaker 4: werewolves get drawn to the noise, and yet his timer
Speaker 4: that he says is the loudest effing timer, Like when
Speaker 4: it goes off, it's like maybe and I'm just like, dude,
Speaker 4: can't you put like vive raiders?
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm worried he would miss it and turn.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, I'm sure, but I'm just saying it was
Speaker 4: pretty funny. But yeah, so there is a lot of
Speaker 4: good tense, tense tense scenes in the streets trying to
Speaker 4: avoid getting killed by all the werewolves.
Speaker 2: That was there's all the whole other like, because what
Speaker 2: we have going on in this movie is you have
Speaker 2: two cocurrent plots. You have the sort of escape from
Speaker 2: New York plot where Frank Grillo and doctor Chen are
Speaker 2: trying to get back to his family, and then and
Speaker 2: then you have the family who are in dire straits
Speaker 2: because the gun nut that his living next door screwed
Speaker 2: up his screwed up his living room when he was
Speaker 2: shooting at were wolves and is now a were wolf
Speaker 2: himself and has formed a werewolf posse.
Speaker 4: Werewolf himself, but he has the sign wolf, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well, that is one of the things I really did
Speaker 2: like about this movie is, you know, like all they
Speaker 2: tried to give all the werewolves like a little bit
Speaker 2: of uniqueness to like you had like the punk rock
Speaker 2: wear wolf, you know, the the gun nut were wolf
Speaker 2: that still had his face paint and you know, flack
Speaker 2: jacket on, and you know, all that stuff was was
Speaker 2: cool to me because it gave it a more you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just that they had generic strips of clothing
Speaker 2: that was ripped up. It was like character specific clothing,
Speaker 2: which which gave it kind of a more lived than
Speaker 2: feeling to me.
Speaker 1: And when I mentioned something about the the next door neighbor,
Speaker 1: the guy the go ahead, my my thought about him was,
Speaker 1: I would hope that everybody who was watching this, who
Speaker 1: you know, has ever served or has ever spent any
Speaker 1: time with guns, was just appalled at his behavior because guy.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, he's the worst that Like, he
Speaker 3: is idiot. He'd be a danger on any any team
Speaker 3: that you put him on because he's like shooting through,
Speaker 3: like had a target that can shoot through the other
Speaker 3: people's Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the very very least, if you're gonna shoot
Speaker 1: targets in your backyard at the very least, But first
Speaker 1: of all, don't do that. That's stupid, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: not what your backyard is for if you live in
Speaker 1: a suburb. But even if at the very least you
Speaker 1: should be aiming at the ground or at least below
Speaker 1: the horizon. And this motherfucker is just shooting straight towards
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess those rounds he.
Speaker 2: Frank Frank Grillo's character actually calls him out on it.
Speaker 2: He says, like, hey, you can hit my my sister
Speaker 2: in law's house. And you know that that's the sort
Speaker 2: of caliber gun that would just shoot. So there's there's
Speaker 2: definitely a plea for for Oh, yes, some gun safety.
Speaker 3: I mean we know that he's he also has a
Speaker 3: sniper rifle and none of the discipline that any sniper
Speaker 3: would have. Yes, this is a guy who just bought that,
Speaker 3: Like I need a sniper rifle, and he's even though.
Speaker 2: He has the US Marine Corps tattoo. I sort of
Speaker 2: question if he ever actually served.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know in some ways, yeah, because I have
Speaker 3: friends he served in a couple of different you know,
Speaker 3: mostly Middle East, and none of them aren't this guy. Luckily,
Speaker 3: none of them were this guy. This guy is and
Speaker 3: what he actually going to be horrible.
Speaker 2: He actually seems smarter as a werewolf than he does
Speaker 2: a really good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, am I understanding correct? That his plan was to
Speaker 1: sit on his couch and shoot through his walls at
Speaker 1: the werewolves.
Speaker 5: That seems to be his his yeah plan, or a
Speaker 5: slash window because he's his sniper rifles in the windows,
Speaker 5: which is far like he's but he's on his couch,
Speaker 5: like it's not Again, the way you would really want
Speaker 5: to do that is to put that in the middle anyway.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not supposed to think too.
Speaker 1: Much none of this, but like, like we yeah.
Speaker 3: The filmmakers are showing like this guy is awful.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, now, let me ask a question that I'm
Speaker 1: ignorant of. Okay, I don't know the answer to this question.
Speaker 1: If this were your like, like, like you get a
Speaker 1: house in the suburbs and there's were wolves roam in
Speaker 1: the streets, is it better to obviously you board up
Speaker 1: the windows and blah blah blah blah blahlah. But do
Speaker 1: you is it better to like hunker down like in
Speaker 1: a in a fortified basement, or to get on the
Speaker 1: roof and like and like block off the access to
Speaker 1: the roof.
Speaker 4: Clear doesn't do anything because they can get on the roof.
Speaker 4: They can get it everywhere. They're super strong and super smart.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, well because you also know you can't do
Speaker 3: the roof because you also can't be exposed. The whole
Speaker 3: point is all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, definitely does not The roof would not work
Speaker 2: on multiple levels in the universe.
Speaker 4: Of this a better option. But the problem is these
Speaker 4: guys are so smart, these wolves and the were wolves,
Speaker 4: and so strong that they not only can like get
Speaker 4: you know, break into anything, it seems like even brick
Speaker 4: they're not. Like they leggings the house to the house
Speaker 4: in the in the Three Little Pigs, He's like, your
Speaker 4: house is made of bricks. He sells the little girl,
Speaker 4: the little the little niece, uh, and so they can't
Speaker 4: get in, but they totally tear through a brick wall.
Speaker 4: But also they're super smart, like the guy one of
Speaker 4: the well the neighbor were wolf. He kills the poor
Speaker 4: little teenager young older teenage neighbor and who has run
Speaker 4: over to their house to try to get help because
Speaker 4: her mom has been killed, and he kills her. That's
Speaker 4: the one that like rips her us to part and
Speaker 4: then he uses her to deactivate the electrified fence by
Speaker 4: just holding her body up because I'm like, this guy
Speaker 4: is like really smart. And then he goes and gets
Speaker 4: a bunch of werewolf buddies, which I don't know how
Speaker 4: he made them, but he did to come help. And
Speaker 4: so they all like they have this conversation that we
Speaker 4: don't prove you to where he clearly tells them, okay,
Speaker 4: we're all we're going to disable all the security cameras.
Speaker 4: At the same time, it's crazy, well though, I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it does you know that is actually
Speaker 2: based on to a degree like wolf behavior because.
Speaker 4: Wolf These friends, however, at the end and then I mean,
Speaker 4: we will talk about the end. When we talk about
Speaker 4: the end, I want to talk about about the how
Speaker 4: how our hero manages to counter his werewolf nature. But
Speaker 4: we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: Believe.
Speaker 2: The thing that I you know, one of the other
Speaker 2: things I thought about that I think was probably an
Speaker 2: influence on this movie is the first Return of the
Speaker 2: Living Dead and how you know, you up to that
Speaker 2: point you had sort of the stock Romero style zombies,
Speaker 2: and then when you get to Return to the Living Dead,
Speaker 2: you know, suddenly the zombies are smart, Suddenly they're fast,
Speaker 2: Suddenly they're incredibly durable and That's kind of what's going
Speaker 2: on here is like these are like not your it's
Speaker 2: such a it's such a bland thing to say, but
Speaker 2: these aren't your moms wear wolves like these these it
Speaker 2: seems that, you know, there's never a talk about silver
Speaker 2: bullets or anything like that, but it doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: because it seems like they can take like basically ridiculous
Speaker 2: amounts of punishment before yeah, dying and behead Yeah you
Speaker 2: can behead them, but and you can kill them with guns,
Speaker 2: but you just you have to like keep shooting a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like these things.
Speaker 3: Are villain chain gun, you know, that's yeah, that's not
Speaker 3: a that's a crazy weapon. Like the real, real version
Speaker 3: of that is something else. But yeah, I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: but also, you know, the the interesting part also all
Speaker 3: things like you're also banking on when you're when you're
Speaker 3: hold up in your house, like you're basically there for
Speaker 3: like twelve hours, Like there's a twelve hour window that
Speaker 3: you're just trying to make it through, like which can
Speaker 3: be you know, anytime you've been waiting on something that
Speaker 3: can seem like the longest time, and yet that's that's
Speaker 3: really like we just have to make it through. Twelve hours.
Speaker 3: This isn't where you have to hold up like.
Speaker 1: No, that's true, making it a more or less real
Speaker 1: time movie, which is pretty cool. Like I do that.
Speaker 1: I love I love a movie that more or less
Speaker 1: runs in real time. I mean that. That's it's kind
Speaker 1: of fun because you kind of feel like you're going
Speaker 1: through it, you know. That's that I always, I always
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. And luckily everybody in this movie when you
Speaker 1: think about it, everybody in this movie oh one another.
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's very there's very little time that's
Speaker 1: gonna be wasted, like having people meet, except for one
Speaker 1: sequence in roughly right around the midpoint, like where they're
Speaker 1: cutting across town and they take a they take a
Speaker 1: side trip. They avoid the werewoves on the street by
Speaker 1: going into this abandoned indoor mall. Yeah, where they're they're
Speaker 1: basically they're given a chance by this little kid wearing
Speaker 1: wearing goggles, you know, and and he grabs them, brings
Speaker 1: them inside, and so they meet these which is hilarious
Speaker 1: because this is just people, right, But he meets these
Speaker 1: these people who are like the Morlocks. Essentially, they're living
Speaker 1: in this mall. They want to they don't trust them,
Speaker 1: they give them safe passage. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, this is the sort of thing
Speaker 2: that I'm saying. I wish that I could, I could,
Speaker 2: we could spend a little bit more time in this universe,
Speaker 2: because like that whole bit was really intriguing me. Like
Speaker 2: I I, you know, I like the world that this
Speaker 2: universe is, Like I found it to be interesting. Like
Speaker 2: I think I said something on the group chat earlier
Speaker 2: where I said, if I if I had seen this
Speaker 2: movie when I was twelve years old, I think I
Speaker 2: probably would think this is the greatest movie ever made,
Speaker 2: because like there's just so much stuff that appeals to
Speaker 2: that juvenile part of my brain that you know, just likes,
Speaker 2: you know, the sort of make believe world that this
Speaker 2: has been. Like I'm into I'm into it, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's it's you know, it creates something that that
Speaker 2: you know, begs to be explored. But we only get
Speaker 2: like a snapshot of this one night that with this
Speaker 2: one group of people. I will say this though, because
Speaker 2: the the the cast is so contained and you already
Speaker 2: have all the relationships establish you don't have you know
Speaker 2: that that that you know, from a writing standpoint, that
Speaker 2: saves the movie a lot of a lot of time because, like,
Speaker 2: you know, they're like towards the end, like when when
Speaker 2: Frank Grillo comes in and you know, he sees that
Speaker 2: the next door neighbor has been turned into a werewolf,
Speaker 2: you know, like you already know you know, he says like, oh,
Speaker 2: I never liked you, Cody. You know, like you you
Speaker 2: you you believe that because you know we the relationship.
Speaker 2: You know that the actors. Again, it fills even though
Speaker 2: what it's all platently absurd, it does have this like
Speaker 2: lived in quality, like you definitely believe that that these
Speaker 2: two guys have been living next to each other and
Speaker 2: even though they're both military men, they're very different and
Speaker 2: they don't like each other.
Speaker 4: Just the part that I was talking about that when
Speaker 4: we get to the end, I want to get into
Speaker 4: a little bit more. But I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: think we're there.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we're newly there. The what I what
Speaker 1: I was thinking about was you really, yeah, there's so
Speaker 1: much going on in this world and we have basically
Speaker 1: an adventure moving through the world in the same sense
Speaker 1: of being like on a dark ride. You know, you
Speaker 1: get onto a dark ride a character says a few
Speaker 1: words explains what the concept of the world is, and
Speaker 1: you're going to follow a goal and you're going to
Speaker 1: ride through it. And if you're a viewer, you either
Speaker 1: are kind of into this, like okay, this is sort
Speaker 1: of a this is an action movie world where there's
Speaker 1: bear Wells every night, or you're not into that. Go ahead, Tony.
Speaker 3: It would also make a really good like you could
Speaker 3: see this as like a shooter kind of game because
Speaker 3: you got all your part. So there's a start in
Speaker 3: the lab and then we have to get oh wait,
Speaker 3: here's the section where we encountered the other group of
Speaker 3: military people and they've got a machine gun and now
Speaker 3: I need to get behind the chain gun like all
Speaker 3: that stuff. And again that's all great stuff, and it
Speaker 3: you know, we have games that have good plots like that,
Speaker 3: like action movie plots that move along that way, like
Speaker 3: you're you're being pulled towards these things, and that's that's
Speaker 3: part of the coolness. Like it's military people, but they
Speaker 3: don't know each other these and they don't even know
Speaker 3: they're Like I think they're military, but what group would
Speaker 3: they be with? Yes, I don't know, but they have
Speaker 3: a lot of weapons, and let's hope that they're good.
Speaker 3: You know, they get ripped up by all the werewolves,
Speaker 3: so you know, I don't know, maybe they you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've survived or if they just
Speaker 3: got distracted this one time. But also it's it's a
Speaker 3: good reason to have you shoot were wolves with the
Speaker 3: chain gun. It's really like, if you want to get
Speaker 3: to the meat of the matter, it's like, well, we
Speaker 3: got to have the chain guns. Yeah we do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so that's yeah, that's all fun. But then
Speaker 4: you have the house, the family, and you have Lucy
Speaker 4: who has for some reason been given a shotgun with
Speaker 4: only a few shells, And I'm like, what were you
Speaker 4: not expect? Like you knew this was coming. Why do
Speaker 4: you not have an entire box of shells? And then
Speaker 4: he's like, what happened to your shells? She's like, what's
Speaker 4: been abou night? Like we did not see her shoot before.
Speaker 4: She's already just down to like four shells or like
Speaker 4: a really good point. Yeah, I don't understand that that
Speaker 4: annoyed me.
Speaker 1: It could be some If it was I'm just guessing,
Speaker 1: but it could be a whole section of her having
Speaker 1: to expend Shells was cut. I'm just making that up.
Speaker 4: But I really like that actress. I'll finish. And I
Speaker 4: really love the little girl Emma. She's Camden Gary. She
Speaker 4: was great and gorgeous, my goodness.
Speaker 2: But I loved the relationship with the Frank Grillo character.
Speaker 1: I like that there's no attempt at all at all
Speaker 1: also to set up some kind of romance between Frank
Speaker 1: Grillo and Lucy Marshall. I mean, sorry, I'll finish ad
Speaker 1: Era because blah blah blah the family. But in theory
Speaker 1: you could like grow them closer together.
Speaker 4: But and there's also no attempt to make it where
Speaker 4: like you're not my dad, you know, like none of that.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just a nice, wholesome relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really It's really cool, Tony. Something I was
Speaker 1: laughing thinking about when you were talking about how it
Speaker 1: feels like like the Alien Game or something like that.
Speaker 1: I really when you were saying that, I was picture
Speaker 1: in this movie, you do have people pop up behind
Speaker 1: a you know, uh like an ally pop up behind
Speaker 1: the crate and wave and go over here, and so
Speaker 1: then all.
Speaker 3: The beats, all the beats feel that way. And again,
Speaker 3: that is not a knot, that's just like storytelling action
Speaker 3: storytelling through.
Speaker 1: That you're on rails, baby, like you're going to.
Speaker 3: Keep it moving. But like the parts are like, hey,
Speaker 3: we go underground. Oh wait, there's there's like underground people.
Speaker 3: They're probably you're only here for the twelve hours, though
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're really living there because they
Speaker 3: don't look they're not. They don't look like morlocks.
Speaker 1: You know, they're all right, I agree, right, you know,
Speaker 1: they are wearing blankets and stuff, but that's because if
Speaker 1: you go outside, you have to pull a blanket over you.
Speaker 1: And that's that's almost apparently just as good as moonscream,
Speaker 1: just like absolutely, which means everybody could dress up like
Speaker 1: commit like like snake eyes basically and you'd be fine
Speaker 1: for like nighttime hopefully anyway.
Speaker 3: But there's something I mean, they say, oh well, it
Speaker 3: gets in the fibers, so evidently maybe maybe not all
Speaker 3: the way, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it also doesn't seem to take much moonlight
Speaker 2: to transmit.
Speaker 1: The bouncing moonlight doesn't count like moonlight streaming in at
Speaker 1: an angle.
Speaker 4: But it's just so so random. I mean, honestly, I
Speaker 4: really want to get to the ending because the ending.
Speaker 4: I really hated the.
Speaker 1: Okay, we can go there, we can go to the end.
Speaker 2: We talk about the ending. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: how the were wolves were simultaneously terrifying and cute because
Speaker 2: they look like they're smiling, right, Like, did anybody else
Speaker 2: feel that way?
Speaker 1: I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: We also feel a little bit like the silver Bullet
Speaker 3: were wolves in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3: We were talking illustrations.
Speaker 2: Like you know, when we did wolf Man last week,
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about how people didn't like the
Speaker 2: design of the were wolf and that.
Speaker 1: And you know, this is a much more traditional where
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: This is you know, it's not a wolf Man, but
Speaker 2: it's like that sort of howling uh.
Speaker 3: Sort of bullet soldiers. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's that that, you know, the eighties style
Speaker 2: where wolf where it's literally an upright wolf on steroids,
Speaker 2: and that you.
Speaker 1: Know, I loved how practical they are. This is gonna
Speaker 1: look so much better than if it was cg and
Speaker 1: looking back at it fifteen years from now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I think I think, you know that
Speaker 2: the classicness of the design kind of helps with you know,
Speaker 2: because this does have that sort of throwback B movie
Speaker 2: feel to it, you know, like like having these sort
Speaker 2: of because they could have tried to do something very
Speaker 2: different like they did in Wolfman. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that that would have been the right choice for this,
Speaker 2: Like I think you know, you wanted something, you needed
Speaker 2: something that just like within seconds you're like, well that
Speaker 2: to were Wolf, you know, like you know, like you
Speaker 2: don't have to think about it at all, Like you know,
Speaker 2: this is very much a movie where I think reinventing
Speaker 2: the wheel would have been the wrong, the wrong choice.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's no way the Wolfman,
Speaker 1: the Bluemhouse movie is trying to do totally different things
Speaker 1: from this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know there's no reason
Speaker 1: to reinvent what a were wolf looks.
Speaker 2: Well, and the Wolf the Blumhouse Wolfman also is a
Speaker 2: much more serious, sort of cerebral take on the like
Speaker 2: this is, this movie is mostly out to entertain you,
Speaker 2: and that's fine, you know, Like I I think it's
Speaker 2: perfectly okay for both kinds of movies to exist. I did.
Speaker 2: I will say I think I enjoyed this one a
Speaker 2: little more, probably because it didn't have the weight of
Speaker 2: being called the wolf Man. Attached to it, you know,
Speaker 2: like which has its own set of connotations. But you know,
Speaker 2: this this movie was exactly what I wanted it to be. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we can talk about the n duly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they finally get to the get to the house,
Speaker 1: tell us about the.
Speaker 4: Ending, right, So so we have the families reunited, but
Speaker 4: right not before you know, they're actually under a full
Speaker 4: attack by all these werewolves who have gotten into the house.
Speaker 4: And so he knowing that Marshall knowing that the werewolves
Speaker 4: will that that they're there because he can see I
Speaker 4: guess that stuff has been torn up, that they will
Speaker 4: respond to noise, and starts talking the horns so they'll
Speaker 4: come out. And then he just like mows them down
Speaker 4: with his car and manages to pin the last the
Speaker 4: neighbor guy, into the wall or whatever. So then he
Speaker 4: gets out and he's like, hey, everybody, awesome, you know,
Speaker 4: how's it going whatever? But the one guy is still
Speaker 4: alive that you know, the neighbor guy, and so that's
Speaker 4: when and he manages to push the car off himself
Speaker 4: and get loose and walk away. So that's when that
Speaker 4: conversation about you know, I never liked you anyway happens
Speaker 4: so then he's like, rather than look around for all
Speaker 4: the millions of weapons that they've been using up until
Speaker 4: this point, the knives and the whatever, He's just like,
Speaker 4: there's only one option at this point. Now that we've
Speaker 4: killed all the other werewolves with vehicles and knives and
Speaker 4: guns and all the things, I must now turn into
Speaker 4: a werewolf so that I can fight this werewolf because
Speaker 4: that's the only option. So I'm gonna go on into
Speaker 4: the moonlight, and thankfully, thankfully, neighbor guy werewolf is just
Speaker 4: gonna hang out and wait for me to turn into
Speaker 4: a werewolf rather than attacking me while I'm turning, And
Speaker 4: then we're gonna fight because I'm even though I can't
Speaker 4: I'm now a werewolf, I still remember that this was
Speaker 4: the goal. I'm not gonna suddenly be like part of
Speaker 4: the pack. I'm gonna be like, no, this is the goal.
Speaker 4: Is to fight that guy because I hate him so much,
Speaker 4: and that my hatred of him will go and.
Speaker 1: Love your family and my family family not so much.
Speaker 4: It's the hatred of this guy gonna make it so
Speaker 4: that I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to I mean, in fairness, In fairness, wolves do
Speaker 2: fight for who gets to be leader. Of the pack.
Speaker 2: So there is there is a basis for that. And
Speaker 2: also while I agree that he had no way of
Speaker 2: knowing that this was going to work out, you know
Speaker 2: I I I will say that I sort of love
Speaker 2: that once Grillo becomes because like kind of the thing
Speaker 2: that they insinuate throughout this movie is, you know, you
Speaker 2: do retain some of your you know, what you have
Speaker 2: as a human being. You do sort of have still
Speaker 2: have that as a were wolf. So if you are
Speaker 2: a more physically fit, well trained human being, you are
Speaker 2: a tougher, bigger, tougher werewolf. And so thus far Gunnut
Speaker 2: Gout has been like the toughest werewolf on the blot.
Speaker 2: But when he's fighting Frank girla where Wolf Frank Girlla,
Speaker 2: where wolf literally just rips his head off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was that was all well and good,
Speaker 4: But the fact that he turned to werewolf to me
Speaker 4: was dumb. The fact that the neighbor waited for him
Speaker 4: to turn into were wolf was dumb. And then he's
Speaker 4: now that was saying about his love of family not
Speaker 4: so much because now it's going to come back in
Speaker 4: and be like, Okay, now I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 4: eat you or whatever, because I'm werewolf. But thankfully we
Speaker 4: have the rule of the ticking clock, which magically says,
Speaker 4: not only does the does the moonscreen wear off exactly
Speaker 4: one hour after you apply it, but also sunrise is
Speaker 4: exactly at the moment that he has set the timer for.
Speaker 4: He's like, you have fifteen minutes to sunrise, and when
Speaker 4: sunrise happens, it is full blazing sun like it is
Speaker 4: not a little bit sunrise. It is like, as long
Speaker 4: as we get as long as she can, uh, she
Speaker 4: has one. She finds phone another shell, so she has
Speaker 4: one shell. They Unfortunately she didn't find it when before
Speaker 4: before when they were fighting the neighbor werewolf, because that
Speaker 4: would have been better. But rather than shoot him when
Speaker 4: he's about to attack her, she shoots out. And also
Speaker 4: thankfully it's a really really great shotgun, because she shoots
Speaker 4: out the entire chunk of wood that is blocking exactly
Speaker 4: where the bright sun is going to come in, so
Speaker 4: that he can immediately turn back into a human and
Speaker 4: not kill her. All of that, All of that just
Speaker 4: bothered me.
Speaker 1: I loved it, especially because it's like there's so many
Speaker 1: lifts here, just as you had the lift of fighting
Speaker 1: in the closet. You know that Michael Meyer is putting
Speaker 1: his hand through the closet thing. This is like Clarice
Speaker 1: shooting out the windows when she kills Buffalo Buffalo Bill Tony.
Speaker 1: There was something that you wanted to say.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, part of it is the idea
Speaker 3: of the noble sacrifice and that's why he's going to
Speaker 3: do this. But it was funny because last week before
Speaker 3: the show, I asked like, hey, have you ever seen
Speaker 3: it where you know, somebody turns themselves into a werewolf
Speaker 3: to defend their family from another werewolf and then is
Speaker 3: trying to not wolf out, Like take that into account,
Speaker 3: Like I gotta be mindful. I gotta be a werewolf,
Speaker 3: but I also have to be mindful not to kill
Speaker 3: my family. And I was marvelou because when I was
Speaker 3: watching wolf Man, I was thinking, what a different what
Speaker 3: a different take that would be, And you could still
Speaker 3: do it in that really kind of tight thing where
Speaker 3: he goes, I need to defend my family. You're stuck
Speaker 3: with me changing into a wolf, and that would have
Speaker 3: been a different movie. Also, you know, I didn't want
Speaker 3: to judge it on the movie in my head as
Speaker 3: opposed to the movie that was there, but then we
Speaker 3: come you know, we were talking about that kind of
Speaker 3: pregaming it last week and I said, I just I
Speaker 3: don't want to talk about the movie. I thought of,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the movie that we're watching
Speaker 3: when this kind.
Speaker 2: Of does it in a way, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: he's not actually the dad, but he's functionally the dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, or I mean any family member,
Speaker 3: you know, and this one, like I was like when
Speaker 3: it happened, I was like, oh, look, it's the thing
Speaker 3: we were talking about. Because I didn't I was like,
Speaker 3: that could be an interesting movie where somebody has made
Speaker 3: this choice or they understand the choice and knows know
Speaker 3: that they have to wolf out, but they can't wolf
Speaker 3: out too much or else they'll kill the people they love.
Speaker 3: It does, and this kind of it's just I do
Speaker 3: agree with Julia that it is kind of plot. It's
Speaker 3: for the plot, especially when like by the way, it's
Speaker 3: like it's unlike in the way the vampire movies do
Speaker 3: some light right, and that's just the way these wolves work.
Speaker 3: So I didn't have as big a problem, but it's
Speaker 3: obviously like, okay, well that was the plot. And of
Speaker 3: course when he of course when he turns back, he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, shirtless, uh, you know, super workout gorilla.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's that's beefcake to you, sir.
Speaker 6: Okay, sorry, I I feel like it does sort of
Speaker 6: imply that she does kind of reach him when she's
Speaker 6: trying to get a like he does hesitate even as
Speaker 6: a were wolf, just enough for her to shootout.
Speaker 2: The thing I the thing I didn't like about the
Speaker 2: ending is how like once he's no longer a were wolf,
Speaker 2: which is pretty much instantaneous, like we don't see him
Speaker 2: change back, is how abrupt it ends, like you know,
Speaker 2: he he literally helps her off the floor and they
Speaker 2: roll credits, and that's true. I feel like that there
Speaker 2: should have been like even a shot of like the
Speaker 2: family like embracing them each other.
Speaker 1: Or you know, just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like something that felt more like you know, the
Speaker 2: end shot. I am okay that nothing is really resolved,
Speaker 2: like it does have that that kind of John Carpenter
Speaker 2: ending where you know, he's now a were wolf, like
Speaker 2: there's no changing that back.
Speaker 1: And John Carpenter though Halloween, John Carpenter at least gave
Speaker 1: you a tour of the town. You remember that that
Speaker 1: is true. That is true, Like he just takes an
Speaker 1: extra twenty seconds to give you shots of the rest
Speaker 1: of the town before we faded.
Speaker 2: But I guess what I mean about that is nothing
Speaker 2: is a resultd Like there's still no cure for being aware.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: The main character is now a where wolf, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's it's.
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna have to wait for were wolves too.
Speaker 4: To or or not.
Speaker 2: I mean, this could just be it, but you know
Speaker 2: I I sort of like that about that, this is
Speaker 2: just like a snapshot of this this particular world where
Speaker 2: where wolves are a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's true. You know. Also Jaws,
Speaker 1: when you think about it, Jaws ended pretty not quite
Speaker 1: like Jaws ended, and then you cut to them swimming away,
Speaker 1: So you know, you're right, they could have given us
Speaker 1: a twenty second scene, like.
Speaker 2: Just something, just something that would felt like like a
Speaker 2: punctuation of the thing, you know, like you know that
Speaker 2: it's fine a final shot and the movie goes. It
Speaker 2: feels very strange, like it's a weird it's a weird.
Speaker 4: Choice celebration of Gorilla's chiseled physique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess anyway.
Speaker 4: How convenient that when they turn into whirls. The only
Speaker 4: clothes that come off are the clothes that don't cover
Speaker 4: their private parts.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when when she guys hey, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's her uncle and I was like, oh no, this
Speaker 3: that's that looks real bad. And then like cut back
Speaker 3: and he's got his pants.
Speaker 2: Well, he also still has his dog tags on, which
Speaker 2: I enjoy, Like, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean if the other guy's gonna have his wolf
Speaker 4: killer thing, then I suppose he's gonna yes.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh that, wait a second, and then
Speaker 3: oh pants.
Speaker 1: It uses Marvel Comics logic where remember the the Hulk
Speaker 1: got super big, but his his pants Corduroys managed to
Speaker 1: stretch with his squads.
Speaker 2: The one thing that we didn't talk about is we
Speaker 2: do briefly see a child were wolf when they are
Speaker 2: in in the convenience store, and that is the one
Speaker 2: were wolf that looks slightly different than the adult were wolves.
Speaker 4: And I know, it looks so different. It's like the
Speaker 4: really really small now it issed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it hasn't fully developed into super sad.
Speaker 1: That whole thing was very disturbing.
Speaker 4: I liked that they didn't kill him though, people. In fact,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it didn't she not kill Miles like.
Speaker 2: I thought, she just know they they they and we
Speaker 2: don't really see what happens to her. She's grabbed by
Speaker 2: a were wolf and then pulled off.
Speaker 4: At that point, but at the beginnings that she recognized
Speaker 4: Miles and shot and therefore.
Speaker 2: Miles, Miles does not get killed. So Miles maybe the
Speaker 2: one morning his wife when yeah, but uh it's.
Speaker 1: Some yeah, I get, she gets she gets ripped upwards
Speaker 1: the same way that that the snake in the beginning
Speaker 1: of Escape from New York has a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, how are you? How is she going
Speaker 4: straight up into the sky? Like what?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean somebody pulled her from above. But my
Speaker 1: point is it's a it's a it's an echo. The
Speaker 1: example I'm about to give you is just as crazy,
Speaker 1: just like they borrow from in Halloween when when the
Speaker 1: werewolf is bashing his fist through the slats of the closet. Likewise,
Speaker 1: an Escape from New York carpenter has the woman that's
Speaker 1: showing snake around all of a sudden gets yanked through
Speaker 1: the floor. Uh, this is the same, only it's reversed.
Speaker 1: Where where the person that and I guarantee you this
Speaker 1: is a quote from Carpenter because this movie.
Speaker 2: This movie drinks very deeply of the John Carpenter. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that is that is okay by me.
Speaker 1: But why how did those people know to get under
Speaker 1: the floor just the point where that woman standings? They
Speaker 1: could grab her? Magic? Pure movie magic is the answer, though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: or's the pity? I suppose? Well, gosh, is there is
Speaker 1: there anything that we haven't touched on? That that's I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there there there is, but we've probably we've
Speaker 1: probably hit on most everything here. So why don't we
Speaker 1: get our final thoughts on were Wolves twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1: And then I'm dying to know what you guys have
Speaker 1: to endorse, because I've started to write down the endorsements
Speaker 1: and include them in the metadata for this show, so
Speaker 1: if you're getting it on like Spotify or whatever, you
Speaker 1: can see what it was that each of us listed
Speaker 1: so that you don't have to like so you can
Speaker 1: find it and go and go look it up. So,
Speaker 1: but first let's get our final thoughts, Tony, have we
Speaker 1: been fair to were Wolves? And and what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I think so? And I again, I would hope that
Speaker 3: the filmmakers understand that if we've called anything out as
Speaker 3: like callbacks or it feels this way that this is
Speaker 3: intended to be pure love for the action genre and
Speaker 3: how it flows and and good memories of you know again,
Speaker 3: when I say VHS, I do know there's there's you
Speaker 3: know what I like, there's no there's no knock in that.
Speaker 3: It just has that like pacing in that vibe, which
Speaker 3: I think is great. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Uh it,
Speaker 3: I mean it moves when it goes. When it moves,
Speaker 3: it moves, and uh I again I agree with Drew,
Speaker 3: like there's something about it that full feels like the
Speaker 3: best parts of Full Moon and and those are happy times.
Speaker 3: Is a good time. So uh you know, I I
Speaker 3: that was kind of the vibe by God and I
Speaker 3: there's no doubt, like once you're into it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're gonna watch this movie. This is this is where
Speaker 3: we're at. And I was, I was down for that.
Speaker 3: I like I said, only I wish kind of wish
Speaker 3: I had seen in a theater with other action movie fans.
Speaker 3: I bet that was.
Speaker 1: A who excellent thank you? Uh Trulyia, Uh it's it's
Speaker 1: I've actually really enjoyed listening to you rattle off your
Speaker 1: thoughts about this movie. It's been it's been really cool.
Speaker 1: This was a fun one to I wish that we
Speaker 1: could have been fifteen together and watched crazy movies.
Speaker 4: Like this, and we were fifteen together.
Speaker 1: Well that's true, but we didn't watchcop Okay, okay, So.
Speaker 2: She's got you there.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I've been doing the conversation. I have enjoyed
Speaker 4: kind of just and I feel bad, you know, for
Speaker 4: because it is there's a lot of good things about it,
Speaker 4: and I think I did highlight a lot of the
Speaker 4: things I liked. But but yes, the ending just really
Speaker 4: particularly set me off of it. But no, I think,
Speaker 4: I say, the performances are great, special effects are amazing.
Speaker 4: The special effect I did look up who it was
Speaker 4: the people that were in charge, but I don't know
Speaker 4: if I don't know if it's that, because it's probably
Speaker 4: part of it's probably some of it's probably the makeup,
Speaker 4: which is Ricky Dia done and then and mar Mary
Speaker 4: Ramirez is the makeup department head, but the special effects
Speaker 4: coordinator is Michael Walls. I don't know if that means
Speaker 4: anything to you guys anyway, So whoever, the folks are
Speaker 4: good job. There's also a visual effects department, but whoever
Speaker 4: did all that, they did a great job. I thought
Speaker 4: it looked really good and I thought the performers were good.
Speaker 1: So leaving it on a position wonderful. Let's see, we
Speaker 1: started with Tony, So Drew, what about it?
Speaker 2: I think what I said earlier is my best review
Speaker 2: of this movie. If if I had seen this movie
Speaker 2: when I was twelve, I would have thought it was the.
Speaker 3: Greatest movie ever made.
Speaker 2: Like it is a very good movie for twelve year
Speaker 2: old Drew. I really just, like I said, maybe it
Speaker 2: was just the right movie on the right day at
Speaker 2: the right time, but I really just enjoyed escaping from
Speaker 2: the troubles of our real world and into the troubles
Speaker 2: of this were wolf infested world. And it was it
Speaker 2: was escapism on a day where I guess I really
Speaker 2: needed escapism. So, you know, sometimes you want the genre
Speaker 2: to be a painful Catharsis, and sometimes you just want
Speaker 2: to see Frank Grillo shoot wear wolves with the chain gun.
Speaker 1: So there you go, that's wonderful. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: was thinking about, you know how in high school and
Speaker 1: college you'd go to a movie and you know, all
Speaker 1: you want is some action and like and like to
Speaker 1: jump and yell and ah, you know, with your friends
Speaker 1: and and this really is that, I mean gosh, except
Speaker 1: for that, I feel like we're technically by we, I
Speaker 1: mean Hollywood, they're getting better and better at you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a move like yeah, you're right in When
Speaker 1: you were a kid, this would have been the greatest
Speaker 1: movie you ever made, because if you look at like
Speaker 1: a low budget action or from the nineties, you know,
Speaker 1: the timing is better, the special effects are better, the
Speaker 1: editing is better, the cameras are better. Everything's better, and
Speaker 1: you can still have a pulpy story. But technically I
Speaker 1: think that that the industry just keeps moving forward. So
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool, all right, This got our endorsements.
Speaker 1: I would love to hear what you guys have been
Speaker 1: watching or listening to how you are escaping sometimes frightening
Speaker 1: news all around us, or the dreary days and the
Speaker 1: cold winter nights. Tony, what do you have for us?
Speaker 1: And I'm taking notes this time because again I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put it in the metadata.
Speaker 3: Well, I need to make sure that you got the
Speaker 3: metadata for the bands that I mentioned last time, But anyway,
Speaker 3: but for this week. I you know, mainly, I think
Speaker 3: I'm mainly a night been playing video games because that
Speaker 3: engages my brain in a different way, Like I don't
Speaker 3: have the same kind of like oh crap, everything's on
Speaker 3: fire and bees in the head, so like I tinted,
Speaker 3: but rain, I've been watching The Pizza Show, which is
Speaker 3: this show exactly about that about pizza? Okay, and maybe
Speaker 3: really and then a couple other things I found out.
Speaker 3: I got the press release today that Wolfman. If you
Speaker 3: heard our podcast from last week, Wolfman comes out on
Speaker 3: digital tomorrow, and the four K and the Blu Ray
Speaker 3: come out in March eighteenth. So if you wanted to
Speaker 3: kind of play along in the home game, you can
Speaker 3: compute on digital tomorrow and then pick up the if
Speaker 3: you like it, you can pick it up in March.
Speaker 3: And I mean, we don't get paid for those advertisements
Speaker 3: or anything, but I thought, hey, we did the thing,
Speaker 3: like this is where you can see it if you
Speaker 3: weren't able to catch in the theater. And I was
Speaker 3: telling Drew, it's different. But if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 3: if you kind of wanted to continue, probably I mean
Speaker 3: it's more intense and more brutal and way an even
Speaker 3: way more gory, the kind of if you wanted to
Speaker 3: do a double feature, you could pair this with a
Speaker 3: movie called Project Wolf Hunting, which starts as a prison
Speaker 3: like escape hecet thing on a ship and then rapidly
Speaker 3: goes into crazy gore territory. That movie is great and
Speaker 3: I was recommending it, but it is like, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: this is not a movie for you, Julia, Project Wild.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, this is not It's not free, but
Speaker 3: it is crazy action. You know, enough blood, I mean
Speaker 3: there there is enough fake blood to fill I don't know,
Speaker 3: at least a small swimming pool. It feels to the
Speaker 3: point where the blood actually becomes part of like the
Speaker 3: plot device. So I would pair this with Project Wolf Funding,
Speaker 3: which is out.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I think I've talked about it before. It was also
Speaker 3: a fantastic best a while back. I think, not this time,
Speaker 3: but the one before, if I remember correctly, So I
Speaker 3: mentioned it before, But as I was watching this movie,
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, you know what it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of has those same like this would be like if
Speaker 3: you double if I double featured again, if back in
Speaker 3: the back in the day, if I could somehow double
Speaker 3: feature these to back to back would have been a
Speaker 3: night full of pizza and popcorn and oh man, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know talking to with friends, Uh, you know
Speaker 3: all the next week are quoting it. You know that
Speaker 3: it just has that flavor like And so that's that's
Speaker 3: my recommendations this time excellent.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Uh, Julia, what are you have for us?
Speaker 4: A few things this time around? Once again I already
Speaker 4: said Severance, Watch Severance. Severance is awesome. Apple TV. There's
Speaker 4: a show called Paradise stirring Sterling K. Brown and it
Speaker 4: also has James Marsden and Julianne Nicholson. And I don't
Speaker 4: want to spoil anything by trying to describe it, so
Speaker 4: I'll just say what it is described at as in
Speaker 4: this headline that I'm looking at, which is political thriller
Speaker 4: and sci fi murder mystery. So I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: really good. It's yeah, it's really really good. And then
Speaker 4: if you'll recall you won't recall why would you? A
Speaker 4: while back, we uh several of us recommended School Spirits,
Speaker 4: and that is back that there's a new season of
Speaker 4: School Spirits that is a really great show about a
Speaker 4: bunch of ghosts at haunt to high school and the
Speaker 4: newest member of the gang is a girl who's trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what happened to her body and like
Speaker 4: what happened to her why she's a ghost now. And
Speaker 4: so the second season is just really awesome so far.
Speaker 4: So those are my recommendations.
Speaker 1: Thank you, what about you?
Speaker 2: I really like the new Spider Man cartoon Friendly Neighborhood
Speaker 2: spider Man on Disney Plus. It was originally going to
Speaker 2: be a prequel series to the you know, the MCU
Speaker 2: Spider Man movies, but it is gone in its own direction.
Speaker 2: It's a very it's funny because like the voice actor
Speaker 2: of Peter Parker has kind of gotten himself in the
Speaker 2: hot water by some comments he made, uh, which I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna give too much airtime too, but I will
Speaker 2: say the the show is a very progressive take on
Speaker 2: Spider Man and yet also kind of retro. Like the
Speaker 2: the art style of the show is very much inspired
Speaker 2: by John Ramita, Sr.
Speaker 3: Which I enjoy.
Speaker 2: It's a really nice looking show. I like they managed
Speaker 2: to fuse classic comment ant May and Marissa Tomey Ant
Speaker 2: May into one character, which I was impressed by. Like
Speaker 2: the character design. It has a cameo of Doctor Strange
Speaker 2: in the first episode, well not even a cameo, like
Speaker 2: it's a full Doctor Strange sequence. And you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't look like Benedette Verdadict however you say that it
Speaker 2: doesn't look like him. He looks like the the bron
Speaker 2: Bronze Age, you know, buff Vincent Price. Uh, Doctor Strange.
Speaker 2: So there's like this classicism to it that's kind of
Speaker 2: fused with you know, some you know, modern qualities as well,
Speaker 2: which I don't know like I just the sensibility of
Speaker 2: the whole thing I just really like and I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see more of it. So there's that, and
Speaker 2: I'm not done with it. But I've really been enjoying
Speaker 2: the Saturday Night Live documentary, like the fiftieth anniversary documentary
Speaker 2: that's on Peacock Ye it's it's I'm currently we didn't
Speaker 2: get the finish it because we had I had to
Speaker 2: go record this, but we just were starting to watch
Speaker 2: the episode that was about the writer's room, and that
Speaker 2: was really damp, but you know, like and you know,
Speaker 2: very informative on just the way sketches are are put together.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just, like I said, it's it's
Speaker 2: if you're even tangently interested in Saturday Night Live, which
Speaker 2: I think most people that have been alive for like
Speaker 2: the last five decades or at least somewhat familiar with
Speaker 2: the show. You'll find something that's that's interesting about this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess my two endorsements come from the
Speaker 2: world of TV. This year or this this episode.
Speaker 1: We have never I mean I dare say we've never
Speaker 1: missed an episode. It's hard to imagine. I'm sure that
Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, but we've basically watched SNL good
Speaker 1: and Bad every Saturday for as long as I can remember.
Speaker 1: It's it's just crazy to think that that there's never
Speaker 1: been a Saturday without it. For me, Thank you. My
Speaker 1: endorsement actually is Magic and Melody from Rain Knox, which
Speaker 1: is coming in just two weeks.
Speaker 4: In two weeks, so for those who don't know's wife.
Speaker 1: It is Rain is Tony's Life.
Speaker 3: But I was going to wait till then, but you know, thanks, no,
Speaker 3: I you can pre order it now. You show me
Speaker 3: up like I didn't promote her Thak two weeks in advance.
Speaker 1: I was waiting, no, no, no, But I really love this
Speaker 1: series because the series is called Animal charmer, and it's
Speaker 1: about this woman who works a regular job and realizes
Speaker 1: that she she begins to develop magic, you know, just
Speaker 1: as a as a as a regular adult. And it
Speaker 1: was just really fun that Rain who's who's this very
Speaker 1: talented composer and musician, uh, decided to write these novels
Speaker 1: about just being a regular person who who suddenly realizes
Speaker 1: that they can have magic, and that you know, and
Speaker 1: so in middle age, like you're in your thirties, you're
Speaker 1: in your forties, and and suddenly you know, your brain
Speaker 1: can start opening and you can you can have new
Speaker 1: powers and abilities. And it's a series about friendship and
Speaker 1: about magic and about music. And the second one is
Speaker 1: called Magic and Melody, and it's about this our magic
Speaker 1: user joins a choir that is being taken over by
Speaker 1: evil users of and I'm not making this up song
Speaker 1: magic And so we've taken to calling the book, which
Speaker 1: perfect because but it's it's actually called Magic and Melody
Speaker 1: by Ray Knox and it comes out February, I think
Speaker 1: it's eighteenth, February eighteenth from castle Bridge Media, So definitely
Speaker 1: check it out. That that was my endorsement. So cool,
Speaker 1: and that brings us to the end of the show.
Speaker 1: If you want to engage with this on this or
Speaker 1: if you think we called it wrong or we completely
Speaker 1: missed the point of were wolves, we are willing to
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Speaker 1: you everybody. It's been really good hanging out with you. Bye,
Speaker 1: good night.