WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.080 Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated 2 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:14.679 to horror movies and awesomeness. This week we have a 3 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.000 look at the twenty twenty four horror film wear Wolves. 4 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.559 This is episode four hundred and fifty three. Bear in 5 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.480 mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going to 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.199 be talking about it from the perspective of horror fans 7 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:28.559 who have seen it. So warning, and I mean this 8 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:32.159 spoilers ahead. This is a new movie. This thing is 9 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.000 I mean, it's not quite as new as wolf Man, 10 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:38.000 which we saw last week, but it is quite new. 11 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.320 So morning morning from Denver, Colorado. I'm your host, Jason Henderson, 12 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:45.039 publisher at castle Bridge Media, home of the Castle of 13 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:48.920 Horror anthology. With me for Austin is Tony Salvaggio, lead 14 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.039 singer and basses to the band Deserts of Mars and 15 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.920 lead guitars to the band Rise from Fire. Say Hello, Tony, 16 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.840 Howdy Howdy. Also in Austin, our Lover of were Wolves. 17 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.479 Mister Drew is the writer creator of the long running 18 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.760 underground comic Halloween Man, which you can find in Global Comics. 19 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.920 He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee Austin Chronicle Best 20 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.079 of Austin Award winner and a member of the Pen 21 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.840 America Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew, Hey, Hey, fite me. And 22 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:21.680 finally also in Denver color commentary from Joya Gusmann of 23 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:26.599 Gusman Immigration of Denver, Say Hello, Hello, Hello Hello. All Right, 24 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.400 So Werewolves This is a twenty twenty four and I 25 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.480 mean tail end so that now it's coming to VOD 26 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:37.079 action horror film. Directed and produced by Stephen C. Miller. 27 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:42.799 It stars Frank Grillo, Katrina law Liffinichhdera, James Michael Cummings, 28 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.599 and the one and only Richie Allens himself lou Diamond Phillips. 29 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.519 The story takes place in the night of a super 30 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.079 moon event so called that causes humans to turn into werewolves, 31 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.439 which first occurred the preceding year, and it follows the 32 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.560 attempts of various factions as they try to control the situation. 33 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.079 The film was released in December, like December sixth, twenty 34 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:07.439 twenty four. So what a movie. We are making our 35 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.840 way through wherewolf films, and we're going to get to 36 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:14.479 some schlock because I will get my chance. 37 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.479 To, I would argue, we might already party. Well, who 38 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:19.520 knows we're in there. 39 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.840 When I say schlock though, I mean like like you know, 40 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.599 some random loop guru movie from the seventies that was 41 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.000 on TV of. 42 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.199 A certain vintage and budget. 43 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.479 Right, this is this. This is a good looking picture, 44 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.039 and that is true. You know, this is the Dragon's 45 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:39.919 Layer of Where Wolves basically. So let's go Tony Julia 46 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.000 Drew and then we'll get into it with opening thoughts. 47 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:45.960 If I have anything to say, I will rapidly say it. 48 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.080 Tony opening thoughts on Where Wolves twenty twenty four. 49 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.400 I had a lot of fun with this movie. I mean, 50 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.080 I like the effects. I think it's you know, a 51 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.840 good action wrong. It kind of reminded me of a 52 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:59.639 big budget. It brought me back to kind of VHS 53 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.240 era action, and I mean that in the best possible way. 54 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.840 There's no shade in that, but just like the pacing 55 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:07.960 and the way like like it goes, I think it 56 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.439 goes past kind of nineties action, back a little bit 57 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.599 to eighties action in the way that it's told and 58 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.240 kind of the beats as well as this kind of 59 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.719 notion of hey, we're gonna here's what's happening. You know. 60 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.280 I really it does feel kind of like the pitch 61 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.120 meeting was probably so the purge to were wolves. Guys, 62 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:25.680 what do you think? 63 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:27.120 You know, yes, but that's fine. 64 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.599 There's you know, there's some pseudoscience they're trying out, and 65 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:33.360 there's you know, lots of action stuff and there's school 66 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.719 looking where wolves like. I mean, I thought, you know, 67 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.840 the parts that are practical are pretty rad. There's lots 68 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:43.280 of you know, crazy death and different factions and all 69 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.000 of that. But it had that again. This is this 70 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:47.520 is one of those movies where I went, you know, 71 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:49.840 this would work back in the day, but now we 72 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.159 get to see, you know what it's like with you know, 73 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:55.800 probably more expensive cameras and you know, all these effects 74 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.000 and you know, bigger, bigger budget all the way. 75 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:01.280 I love you when you said DHS like, we were 76 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.039 looking at some VHS action posters over the weekend, right, 77 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.879 and I hadn't really thought about that in a long time, 78 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.919 where somebody'd be like, you know, this guy is going 79 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:10.719 to be a robot and that's kind of guy's going 80 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:11.479 to be a monster. 81 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:15.840 And look you posted about the Eliminators poster and that 82 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.519 is like and eliminators. If I remember correctly, I'm sure 83 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.959 it probably had some uh some theatrical release. I can't remember, 84 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:25.879 like I had to look it up again, but I 85 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.160 think it was one also that was in those packages 86 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.439 for like a video store, like by x amount of 87 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.439 copies of Eliminators and also these you know, yeah, sure, 88 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:35.959 because that was one of those posters. And it looks 89 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.040 it's one of those where the poster is perhaps even 90 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:42.199 more evocative than the movie. Yes, but but this I 91 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.279 there could have this could have sold on a werewolf 92 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.160 action poster. I mean it's got chain guns and yeah 93 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.079 greens and people in their houses and you know, it 94 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.879 sets up everything really early on, like here's here's the 95 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.839 you know X, here's the vet and his guns, and 96 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.720 you know, here's the family, and all those things are 97 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.879 all it up for you, like really tightly. But yeah, 98 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.399 I had fun with it, and I you know, I'm 99 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.079 unsure how well it did in the theater. I just 100 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.240 I kept wanting to catch it and I just didn't 101 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.720 have time, unfortunately. But I bet it was fun in 102 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:17.000 the theater with with people would like minded theater goers. 103 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:22.240 You know, wow, look at that. You know, that's that's 104 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:24.560 the fun. I mean, in the BHS stage, it would 105 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.079 have been you and your buddies right, yes, in a 106 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:29.879 you know whoa and then you talk about it on Monday. 107 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.240 As well, So thank you. Uh, that's a good start. 108 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.680 This is a VHS action movie with a much bigger budget. Julia, 109 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.040 I don't know if that meant anything to you. I don't. 110 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.959 I don't know if you were the prime target for 111 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.279 VHS action in the day. So, uh, what are your 112 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.079 thoughts about about Werewolves? 113 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:55.120 I was not the prime audience. I I didn't enjoy 114 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:59.319 this movie that much for the reasons that Number one 115 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:03.120 it's which is you know, I don't like but boyds, 116 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:06.839 are the effects good? Like the gory things look really effective. 117 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.240 It really does look like where we'll just grab somebody's 118 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.560 face right off or somebody's chest right off so that 119 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.399 they get their roobcage. So that stuff was well done. 120 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:22.480 Applause to whoever you know the effects person was, which 121 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.519 I probably should pull up while I'm talking, but I 122 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.639 you know, that's not my thing. But you know, I 123 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.759 think there's a lot of things that were bugging me. Uh, 124 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.079 And so I was kind of getting distracted by a 125 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.800 lot of questions like why is that happening? Where did this, 126 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.120 how did this start? Where did this come from? Who 127 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.720 is that like that? And so those I felt like 128 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:45.879 there were a lot of moments that maybe got left 129 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.360 on the cutting room floor. I kind of feel like 130 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.680 there was like twenty minutes of this movie that they 131 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.040 had to cut that ended up making other scenes not 132 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.199 make as much sense or other choices that makes much 133 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.839 sense to me, and that was kind of distracting. I 134 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.639 was distracted by Well, I'll get more into specifics later, 135 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:07.480 but but I will say that it's super scary, and 136 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:11.839 I think that the actors turn out some really decent performances. 137 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:15.000 They seem to actually be, you know, quite traumatized by 138 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.439 all this, So mixed feelings for me. 139 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:23.360 Excellent, Thank you very much, Tony. Sorry Drew you we 140 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.319 started first with you last time. This time you get 141 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.439 to bring up the rear. Uh, explain to me where 142 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.160 did you come up with that we needed to see 143 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.360 this movie and and what are your thoughts? 144 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:37.920 Well, I mean, first off, we got two fairly big 145 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:42.360 budgeted were wolf movies within a month of each other. 146 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.759 That's that I can't remember the last time that happened. 147 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.839 Because like were wolves, as much as I enjoy them, 148 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.319 they're kind of the underloved monster out of like the 149 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:58.759 big popular horror icons. You know, like they're not you know, 150 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.639 they're not vampire, they're not zombies, you know, you know, 151 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.519 they're not even ghosts. You know, Like there just doesn't 152 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.800 seem to be as many were wolf movies at least. 153 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.160 I mean, there's dozens of low budget werewolf movies, yeah, 154 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.839 as as Jason already alluded to, but there doesn't seem 155 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.600 to be as many big budget werewolf movies. And as 156 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.360 it happens, like both of these werewolf movies were also 157 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:27.480 just distributed distributed by Universal Studios. So that's kind of 158 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:32.600 wild to think about too. Also, like like Tony, I 159 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.519 kind of, you know, wanted to check this out when 160 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.879 it was in theaters. I don't know how well it did, 161 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:44.960 but it you know, I do recall it got some 162 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:50.360 positive buzz online, and you know it just you know, 163 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.799 because I have a baby, I have to be more 164 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:57.919 selective about which movies I am going to see in 165 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.879 the theater, and so I never did. And so when 166 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.799 we were kicking around topics and we hit on the 167 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:08.279 idea of doing another werewolf retrospective, I was like, well, 168 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:13.600 let's let's do wear Wolves. And I am so glad 169 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:20.000 that we did I really really really enjoyed this. It it, 170 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.000 you know, is everything that Tony says. It just sort 171 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.240 of feels like somebody did a sort of Full Moon 172 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:32.519 Studios release, but with a much bigger budget. I you know, 173 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.679 they say the per you know, the Purge of Werewolves. 174 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.919 To me, this is almost like it's a zombie movie, 175 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.279 but with were wolves instead of zombies. It's the were 176 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:44.120 Wolf Apocalypse, which is kind of a novelty. I also 177 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:49.480 really like the sort of specificness of the tone of 178 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:54.360 this because the movie takes the universe that it's taking 179 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.799 place in and takes everything that happens in it with 180 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:02.279 a lot of gravita. But it is, you know what, 181 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:08.399 taken on its face value, an extremely silly movie with 182 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:14.159 extremely silly stuff in it. But I like that everything 183 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.440 is committed to this universe, and you know, honestly, it 184 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.559 makes me wish that there was a little more of it. Like, 185 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.200 you know, I kept thinking of Donna the Dead or 186 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:29.799 Escape from New York, where you kind of got sequences 187 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.600 where you sort of explore the world that it's taking place, 188 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.320 and I kind of wish there was a little bit 189 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.200 more of that in here, because I found myself kind 190 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:43.440 of curious about the universe, this existence. But yeah, I 191 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.399 really you know, I mean I hate the pit two 192 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.399 movies against each other, but I you know, as much 193 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:53.679 as I had reservations about The New Wolfman, I really really, 194 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.840 really just enjoyed the hell out of this. Like it 195 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.000 was just it hit me and I don't know, maybe 196 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.159 it was the right movie on the right day, but 197 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.360 like I just was grinning ear to ear through the 198 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:06.240 entire runtime. 199 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.120 I think you hit it with the full moon reference, 200 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.799 just because a lot of full moon movies do you 201 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.240 have that kind of balance between hey, it's a little 202 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.399 it's if you overthink it, it's maybe a little silly. 203 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.159 And again I don't mean that as a knock, but like, yeah, 204 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.799 it's just the vibe of it, like where you come 205 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.159 in straight, like, hey, by the way, everybody, just so 206 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.960 you know, there was a super moon, lots of people 207 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.559 got turned into were wolves, you know, and just but 208 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.240 but the tone isn't like Winkie at the viewer. It's 209 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.600 just hey, guys, here's where we're at and we're going 210 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.720 to go. Now it's time to go. Well, I mean 211 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.639 I feel like that that that flavor is there in 212 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.000 the like again in the best possible ways. 213 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.600 Think about the puppet Master movie exactly. 214 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:50.799 That's what I was talking about. 215 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.759 Those those are taken on face value are it would 216 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.840 be ridiculous. But the especially the first three take the 217 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:05.679 concept like absolutely play it completely straight. And I I love, uh, 218 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.639 you know when a when a you know, a B 219 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:12.440 movie concept kind of does get get get played with 220 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.240 without a shred of irony, Like there's just something fun 221 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:15.720 about that. 222 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.080 Yeah, you know, I always used to think, I mean, 223 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:20.840 now we have an MCU and we've had one for 224 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.919 like ten or however many years. They've been women doing it. 225 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:27.200 But I used to think of Marvel comics exactly this way, 226 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.840 that you could have the wildest concept and everybody in 227 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.159 the story would just play it totally straight. And that 228 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.320 was what was so great about it because that then 229 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.720 you can really then you know, you can engage in 230 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:40.919 any flights of fancy that you want as long as 231 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.720 everybody is playing along that that it all makes sense. 232 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.679 So let's so let's get into it. This movie is about, 233 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:51.039 as you called it, a werewolf apocalypse. There has been 234 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.200 in and we jump over a lot. This is one 235 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.440 of the those movies that sets up the world real 236 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:58.000 quick and you used to have to run with. It's 237 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.840 a runaway train. You are in a world where as 238 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.799 of a year ago, something went down with the moon 239 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.960 and it caused something to happen atmospherically. I guess maybe 240 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.559 I don't even know if we really know exactly why, 241 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:13.320 But now. 242 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.799 The characters they don't even know. 243 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.279 Yeah, just like not living dead, we don't know exactly 244 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.480 what caused it. But regardless, now everybody's allergic to the moon. 245 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:27.320 It turns you into werewolves. Done like so, so all 246 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.639 of their world is built around two things, trying to 247 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.519 figure out how to not be exposed to the you know, 248 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.120 the deadly effects of the moon's rays, and how to 249 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:40.320 survive the onslaught of people who have been turned into 250 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.759 werewolves by the moon's rays. And and and I guess 251 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:45.919 there's a further thing that don't really talk about but 252 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.159 is clearly present in this movie, which is that since 253 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.960 werewolves are running around at night, those werewolves are your 254 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:57.240 your neighbors. So ideally you shouldn't want to just like 255 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:00.279 murderize all of them, you know, because they're people. They're 256 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.000 just they're just regular people that have been turned into 257 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:03.600 were wolves. 258 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.320 So and there's millions of them. 259 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:10.480 Yeah, they're all all all people basically who are exposed 260 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.240 to move. Everybody has the virus. This is like a 261 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.559 zombie thing where everybody could be a zombie at any 262 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.080 moment and could be turned back from a zombie, which 263 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.120 is this is this is really wild. It's very different 264 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:24.360 from other apocalypses you've seen, and it's different from other 265 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:25.799 werewolves that we've seen. 266 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.360 And it's different from other contagions that we've seen because 267 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.080 it's not focused on who is immune and why let's 268 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.120 try to come up with some kind of vaccine, and 269 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.799 it's interesting to me. I'm wondering if this film was 270 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:42.720 being made during COVID, because probably was, because it does 271 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:47.000 feel like it's inspired by you know, contagion also movies, 272 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:51.080 and it felt feels like there's not a lot of 273 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:56.120 crowds together, like there's a lot of even when like, 274 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.080 for example, even when they crashed into a bus, we 275 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.919 don't see any other people on the bus. People tend 276 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.600 to be kind of spread apart in a lot of 277 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.200 the scenes. So I'm kind of wondering if it was 278 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:06.200 filling COVID. 279 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:10.080 And I assumed that it was at least written during COVID, 280 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:16.240 Like like the concerns of the movie make it feel 281 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.759 very much like a like a something that was at 282 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:24.320 least in the screenplay planning during COVID. 283 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.399 Yeah. But yeah, but there's not anything about like how 284 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.360 do we there is that they're trying to come up 285 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.720 with this moon screen, like Jason's saying that will block 286 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.879 the moon, But there's not an idea that, oh, we've 287 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.039 found some people who are immune and so we're trying 288 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:44.240 to create a vaccine. That's you know, taking advantage of that, 289 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:46.240 which I think would have been interesting, but maybe that'll 290 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:46.960 be a different movie. 291 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.960 Well, I mean also by not doing that, then at 292 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.559 least you don't have the same conversations you hear in 293 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:55.120 all the other pictures where hey, there's a vial, there's 294 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:57.039 a VCS, there's a vaccine we get to get we 295 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.559 got to move the vaccine from here to there. You know, 296 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.799 you have different different side quests in this yeah go 297 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:03.399 ahead premise. 298 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.720 The premise though, is that they don't they don't know 299 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.120 enough yet to even get to there, so they have 300 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.080 to do the moonscreen thing first and monitor them. That's 301 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.559 what they're hoping. Like when when all when the when 302 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.279 it starts to all hell breaks loose. The first thing is, hey, 303 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.000 we have this, We finally developed this moonscreen thing, so 304 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.759 now we can try to get basically, they're going to 305 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:23.960 use the control group. You know, we're trying to get 306 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.080 a control group because after that we can hope to 307 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.080 get a cure. But first we need to get people. 308 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:32.919 We need to make people not change and figure out 309 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.519 the differences. And so that that I thought was actually 310 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.559 interesting that they're kind of you know, taking it in steps, 311 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:40.759 which is you know, I mean as as kind of 312 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.639 as in some parts scientists. Science is like I don't know, 313 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.120 but but like there's thought and it's not just some 314 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:51.639 magic thing or whatever you know, stage there's like a 315 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.159 there's like a theoretical scientific, biological like thing there that 316 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.320 works in the premise. It works in the premise of 317 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.120 this or I'm sure you know, knowing what I know 318 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.799 that some of the sciences like, okay, whatever, but that's 319 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.920 not that's neither here nor there. It's just that's the 320 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.079 way we're doing things. But having it, you know, get 321 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.519 into that control group by by trying to monitor, you know, 322 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.480 how long can we can we keep first foremost to 323 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:16.559 solve the problem, they're going to turn into were wolves. 324 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:18.880 So we can just keep people from turning to were wolves. 325 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.559 We can figure out the virus part later. 326 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.839 Yeah, so interesting. 327 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:24.680 That's kind of cool. 328 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.519 Actually, So that scene where they have so they've put 329 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:34.240 these four people into cages and they've and they've said, okay, 330 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:38.160 we're ready for them to turn and one of the 331 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:43.200 people is this like super rational like military guy. So Okay, 332 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:44.759 this is what I'm talking about when I say there's 333 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.559 things that irritated me. So we see these people with 334 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:51.359 like half their skin burned. Why, like, why is there 335 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.039 that we don't know? We don't find that out. 336 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.519 I assume that's. 337 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:55.839 What I'm saying. 338 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:01.920 That the stars are from when they were where. 339 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:03.920 Yeah, but there's just the two of them, nobody else. 340 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.079 Like there's the guy that the Asian guy who Miles 341 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:10.480 is the character's name, and then there's another person in 342 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:12.880 the line going in or maybe it was the same person, 343 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:15.000 but I didn't notice his eye. It seemed like when 344 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.319 when the person was in line, they had a screwed 345 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.720 up eye. But then mileson. So I don't know, but 346 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.240 at least one, if not two people had that, but 347 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:25.279 nobody else does. So it's like, why where did this 348 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:25.880 scoring company. 349 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:26.200 Okay. 350 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.480 So then we've got this great character, Miles played by 351 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.799 James Kyson is the guy's name. I love Miles. I 352 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:35.079 want to see Miles do well and come out of this. Nope, 353 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:39.839 he doesn't he so that that bothered me. He is great. 354 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.400 Then you've got these two guys who were already just 355 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:46.680 off their rockers, like the They basically they said they 356 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.119 didn't have enough volunteers, so they had to grab some 357 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:52.799 four people from the psychiatric world. 358 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:57.720 It's also they they put forth the idea that once 359 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:03.039 you've changed into a werewolf for you kind of want 360 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:04.640 to change back. 361 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:06.920 Oh I miss that. Okay, that's yeah. 362 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:13.240 They compare it to being a you know, a drug addiction, and. 363 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.880 That's why he goes got you, got You, got you? 364 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.960 Okay, that makes sense. And then you've got the poor 365 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.400 woman who just changes her mind and I felt so 366 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:23.319 bad for her because they wouldn't let her come out anyway. 367 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.200 Then you got lou Diamond Phillips. He's in charge of 368 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.400 the whole thing. Okay, so fine, whatever, I get it. 369 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:30.559 They're doing this study. Fine, they're going to open the 370 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.599 giant moon roof, which I'm like, that seems successive. That technology, 371 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:39.480 but whatever, and then whenever they turn like all hell 372 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:43.400 breaks loose for no apparent reason, which that just bugged 373 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.079 the crap out of me and I and I and 374 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.200 it bugged me that it was so I felt bad 375 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.920 for anybody who was flash sensitive because that was there 376 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.839 was so much strobe lights, like there was no reason 377 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.920 just because Miles Werewolf, Miles is able to grab the 378 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:01.720 machine that was gonna spray him with the more of 379 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:06.119 the moonscreen stuff he that therefore everything breaks apart and 380 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.599 the roof won't close. What what happened? It made no sense. 381 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.400 It was chaotic for no reason, and that that right 382 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:14.359 there immediately turned me off. I was like, Okay, I'm 383 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:15.640 annoyed by this whole scene. 384 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:20.599 My question about this whole setup because you know, you know, 385 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.720 going in that the it's it's not going to work 386 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:26.599 the way it planned because it's the Ryan George thing. 387 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:32.039 It's it's so the movie can happen. So my question, 388 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:36.119 you know is, you know, I'm thinking of of ways 389 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.640 you could have, you know, maybe given this movie a 390 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.079 little bit more breathing room in spaces, you know, and 391 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:47.079 I guess you would lose the whole drive to go 392 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:52.279 get his family. But it seems to me that Frank 393 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:58.200 Grillo's character is part of this group. Why wouldn't they 394 00:20:58.279 --> 00:20:59.599 have his family. 395 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.039 Oh, that's a good question where I didn't think about that. Yeah, 396 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:08.000 because Frank Grillo, who appears to be Frank Grilla, who's 397 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.279 a former marine and has been deployed and is an 398 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.640 action guy. Uh. And it's like, you know, with his 399 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.279 zero point five percent body fat, is also the leading 400 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:24.039 molecular biologist in the United States in the study of chemistry, 401 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:30.319