Speaker 1: Get ready for.
Speaker 2: July twenty six, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that
Speaker 2: thing we call a calendar. You know, I tried to
Speaker 2: go live at the right time and couldn't do it
Speaker 2: because I had to restart the computer and all that
Speaker 2: good stuff. It's Friar's day, by the way. And uh
Speaker 2: I even tried getting to Bepete, my co host for
Speaker 2: the past few minutes. I can't reach him, so I
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. I think I'm broadcasting, hopefully
Speaker 2: I am. I know it's being recorded one way or another,
Speaker 2: and I know I got open phone lines, so I
Speaker 2: guess you guys can give me proof of life here.
Speaker 2: It is what it is. I know I saw him
Speaker 2: drop his video of the week in the chatroom Mittlechelli
Speaker 2: dot com. Anyway. Three one nine five two seven five
Speaker 2: zero one six. I am currently flying solo, which is
Speaker 2: not good because I don't want to give my opinions
Speaker 2: and points on Friday. This is for you, and how
Speaker 2: do you do that? Three one nine five two seven
Speaker 2: five zero one six. You call in and you'll let
Speaker 2: me know what you think about. Anything doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've.
Speaker 2: Talked about the fast food industry. In the past few
Speaker 2: weeks we have talked about hypothetical situations courtrooms. Obviously the
Speaker 2: political chicanery and madness and clown show has been part
Speaker 2: of the equation and discussion and the revelation of the conversation.
Speaker 2: As of late and a little bit before airtime, I
Speaker 2: think I released the podcast from yesterday. I only did
Speaker 2: two full live shows this week, uh, previous to this one.
Speaker 2: Aaron Franz will be with us live by the way,
Speaker 2: with the age of transitions to ten pm Eastern, so
Speaker 2: that is promised this week, and Uncle will be live
Speaker 2: at eleven pm Eastern. But up until then it's you
Speaker 2: and me and maybe b Pete if we can find him.
Speaker 2: Three one nine five two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 2: That's three one nine five two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 2: Or you can reach out to me Charles dot o'ceelly
Speaker 2: on Skype anyway. Uh oh, if you do that, I'll
Speaker 2: call you into the show. Don't call me because it
Speaker 2: just disrupts things. Anyhow, the news of the week, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know what else is new? There's always got to
Speaker 2: be a shocker. I mean, how are they going to
Speaker 2: even maintain interest? Is everybody going to fall asleep by
Speaker 2: the time November comes and goes. Anybody thinking about Christmas
Speaker 2: in July? Uh oh, that might be be Pete making
Speaker 2: a lot of noise and music and stuff. What's up, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just looked at my phone and it's and I've
Speaker 4: pulled up the Skype and it said showing the conversation.
Speaker 4: And I thought, oh, you don't see that.
Speaker 2: I rang you three four times.
Speaker 5: Well, i'll tell you the skite here reading the room
Speaker 5: and listening to Steve Winwood traffic.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well I was getting you know, I called you.
Speaker 2: If you look back there, you'll see I called you.
Speaker 5: And uh, this is the second week in a row
Speaker 5: that the normal tone that doesn't go off.
Speaker 4: I mean, otherwise i'd have picked it up.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's been a whole.
Speaker 4: Reset thesall where you had to reset the tablet. We'll see.
Speaker 5: I'm not in the regular room because right, well feedback,
Speaker 5: I'm in the chat tango room, so there's no audio.
Speaker 2: Oh well, but here's the thing. There's been weird stuff
Speaker 2: going on with me trying to call people and message
Speaker 2: people and all kinds of crap this week. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what's happening. Somebody told me that they're not
Speaker 2: getting my messages on X you know, the the Twitter platform,
Speaker 2: and they're like, I go to X, it tells me,
Speaker 2: you know, it sends them an email notification that he's
Speaker 2: getting a message from me. And uh. The one guy
Speaker 2: I had on Musician last night is telling me the
Speaker 2: same thing. He's like, I get the notification, I go
Speaker 2: to the messenger and there's no message, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: but I'm sending you messages. He's like, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Then I had a guy trying to signed into his
Speaker 2: Skype and they kicked him off of his Skype and
Speaker 2: tried to make him, you know, prove who he is again.
Speaker 2: And then other people are telling me you didn't call me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I called you on Skype. I've been calling
Speaker 2: you on Skype.
Speaker 5: Well, this is the second week in a row that
Speaker 5: the normal ring tone has not gone off for Skype.
Speaker 5: And so I was sitting there reading the room and
Speaker 5: I switched over to YouTube. I was getting ready to
Speaker 5: cut it off. I picked up my phone because it
Speaker 5: was on the charger. I said, well, shit, something something.
Speaker 4: Because I checked the volume volumes up on my phone,
Speaker 4: I should have heard.
Speaker 3: The ring tone.
Speaker 4: But when I looked at it, the little green light
Speaker 4: there next to your name said join call.
Speaker 3: So I get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but the reason why is because I added
Speaker 2: you to a call and called you. That's why you
Speaker 2: can join in. Because it told me you were unavailable.
Speaker 5: I said, Okay, they should have had a green dot
Speaker 5: next to it on god long on about seven thirty.
Speaker 2: Nope, it said you were unavailable. I've been calling you
Speaker 2: since about like, I was less than a minute late
Speaker 2: getting started. I wanted to be and then I'm playing
Speaker 2: a song going where's me, Pete? What's going on? So yeah,
Speaker 2: and I said to hell with then I went live.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I still would have worked the tone because
Speaker 5: the phone's right here next to my computer.
Speaker 3: So even though I had to, I was.
Speaker 4: Listening to YouTube. I would if I always hear it.
Speaker 4: I'm usually listening to the YouTube, Yeah, because I can't
Speaker 4: hear from and chat tango. So that's till you call.
Speaker 4: I figure out, Okay, we're seven minutes late. We're parking
Speaker 4: the course.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it wouldn't be unusual either, but I was
Speaker 2: trying to get you on time. Hey, look we got
Speaker 2: a caller, let's take him. And then I'll do this.
Speaker 2: It's a little out of order this week now, but
Speaker 2: I'll check in and get your your week review as
Speaker 2: soon as I get through with the first caller. Let's
Speaker 2: get him on the line first. Anyway, you're live, and
Speaker 2: what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 3: This is Danny here in northern California. Since there was
Speaker 3: nothing going on politics. I heard Jimmy James talk about
Speaker 3: he had some Watergate information. I'm curious what he had
Speaker 3: to say when he comes on and I'm ready to
Speaker 3: put ball season.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're ready for football season? Well, I know, bet Pete.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for football season?
Speaker 4: I'm ready.
Speaker 5: I'm ready for NFL, not this summer sandlot league crap
Speaker 5: they've got on the XFL or whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 4: Don't USFL?
Speaker 2: Is it that the rebooted USFL? Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: I mean, is it the same teams they had in
Speaker 2: the eighties, be Pete remember that?
Speaker 5: Well, no, there's some of them, but there's some different.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot more franchises now, so it's
Speaker 5: I mean, you're watching third stringers for stringers.
Speaker 2: Right, and Donald Trump doesn't own a team this time,
Speaker 2: not yet anyway. Now, Uh, he was the part owner
Speaker 2: of the Jersey Generals. In case people forgot years ago.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of them.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of a lot of celebrities that have
Speaker 5: a partial ownership in.
Speaker 4: A sports club somewhere.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And it's just a method that they use for diversifying
Speaker 5: their money and as they have to, they can always
Speaker 5: you know, ride it off as a loss.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but what major league I mean, unless you're
Speaker 2: you know, unless you're the w NBA, what you know,
Speaker 2: what sports franchise is going to be a loss? Really? Right?
Speaker 5: No, I mean if you look at all of baseball,
Speaker 5: because you've got rookie.
Speaker 4: League, you got farm leagues, rookie leagues, uh, single, double,
Speaker 4: triple A.
Speaker 5: And you know every team has got about six or
Speaker 5: seven farm teams, so every major league team. So you
Speaker 5: look at baseball, Mason Wide, the Statler Brothers, Dolly Parton
Speaker 5: and a lot of people in Nashville have got parceal
Speaker 5: ownership of of teams. But it started, believe it or not,
Speaker 5: what well. One of the biggest owners was Francis Crockett,
Speaker 5: who was Jim Crockett from wrestling fame.
Speaker 4: His daughter Oh no kidding, he had yes.
Speaker 5: She had ownership in like seven or eight different teams.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Jim Crockett was major. You know, back when
Speaker 2: there was more than one wrestling corporation. He was pretty big.
Speaker 2: He owned the whole serious territory. I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 2: was his. Yeah, I mean he owned the stuff. Crockett
Speaker 2: Promotions controlled I think the Southeast for a long time,
Speaker 2: you know, until the w w E trashed everybody. But anyways,
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 5: Left the Kingston ball team, I went to Charlotte and
Speaker 5: I was selling tickets during the off season for them
Speaker 5: and ran into a bunch of wrestlers.
Speaker 4: A couple of them.
Speaker 5: Uh you know would help out on the field crew
Speaker 5: in that, but you know it was kind of neat.
Speaker 4: She would. Uh this was the.
Speaker 5: Old Charlotte Coliseum where they used to film their matches.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I know they had definitely wrestling matches
Speaker 2: out of Charlotte. I remember Nature Boy Rick Flair talking
Speaker 2: about it. Anyways, So Danny, let me get a hint
Speaker 2: about you. Your your You're anxious for NFL, but you
Speaker 2: got a team.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy James will talk football with you too
Speaker 2: if you give him a chance. Uh, you got you
Speaker 2: got a team in mind. Are you at a California guy,
Speaker 2: because you're close to it? What's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, always. I started out as as a as
Speaker 3: a Oakland Raiders fan.
Speaker 7: And then uh, I wasn't happy as they moved to
Speaker 7: LA and they built a big fan base in LA.
Speaker 7: And I remember talking to the guy when they moved
Speaker 7: backed up in northern California who was all pissed off
Speaker 7: at Al Davis and they go, well, how do you
Speaker 7: think I feel now they're in Vegas? Yeah, and I've
Speaker 7: been to the play at the.
Speaker 4: Fly Alfato and team back then.
Speaker 2: Right, OK, well, see I remember. Look, I love the
Speaker 2: Raiders along with and I was also a Jets fan
Speaker 2: because I have a great habit of picking loser sports
Speaker 2: franchises to follow. But I was a Jets fan in
Speaker 2: New York and also loved the Raiders because they were nasty.
Speaker 2: They were just, you know, real nasty players. It was
Speaker 2: like the Raiders in football and the Flyers in hockey
Speaker 2: were like exactly the guys that didn't even care about
Speaker 2: playing the game half the time. They were just looking
Speaker 2: to beat up the opponent and by the end of
Speaker 2: the game the opponent was so battered they would lose. Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was I used to you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: the Rangers used to have one or two bullies, but
Speaker 2: but but the Flyers had a whole bench full of them.
Speaker 2: And the Raiders were like that too. I mean, they
Speaker 2: were nasty players. And it's funny to me that John
Speaker 2: Madden was their coach at one point and then uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he becomes you know, America's sweetheart and the
Speaker 2: uh you know, the guy behind what the biggest uh
Speaker 2: home gaming franchise ever. EA Sports cut that deal with
Speaker 2: them for Madden Football, and he's like the the announcer
Speaker 2: of announcers. I mean, they're gonna probably ai that guy
Speaker 2: into eternity with his voice and everything. And John Madden,
Speaker 2: who used to, like I say, had one of the dirtiest,
Speaker 2: nastiest teams, uh in the world.
Speaker 4: They were on top of the game. That was a
Speaker 4: big thing. That's all that mattered to don that.
Speaker 2: And they were on top of it exactly.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I loved it because it was just it was hardcore.
Speaker 2: And you know what, I played football as a kid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, every team had a rivalry, but Oakland took it
Speaker 5: to everybody played.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter who they were playing.
Speaker 5: You saw Oakland at their bass factor in Madden's time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I used to, you know, and again I
Speaker 2: was a Pop Warner player and all that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff when I was a kid.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: Literally, I played for a team that that was in
Speaker 2: Steelers colors, what was called the Falcons in Tinton Falls.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And also I was part of a team in West
Speaker 2: Long Branch today they were called the Whales, I believe,
Speaker 2: and we were outfitted like the Dolphins. I hated that,
Speaker 2: but I like the Steelers colors, you know, the black
Speaker 2: and gold and white depending on whether we were playing
Speaker 2: at home or away. But uh, yeah, and I was.
Speaker 2: I was a nasty player. I was all about how
Speaker 2: many different colors of paint can I get on my helmet? Uh?
Speaker 2: As a defensive player, right, and I would I would
Speaker 2: literally take the paint off the other kids helmets by
Speaker 2: you know, you weren't supposed to be banging heads like that,
Speaker 2: but I did it anyway.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: Some people would say that's why I am the way
Speaker 2: I am today, But not true. Not true. It wasn't
Speaker 2: that or the boxing, I assure you. Anyways, Danny, so
Speaker 2: you used to like the Raiders, but what about now?
Speaker 3: Well, I still like the Raiders and they brought me
Speaker 3: some of my useful high moments of football. They I
Speaker 3: mean I in the seventies the Super Bowl was the
Speaker 3: Steelers and the Raiders for the SC Championship game, and
Speaker 3: I had my heart broken with what they called the
Speaker 3: Immaculate Reception, and I thought they were going to Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: They were beating the Steelers seven to six, and that
Speaker 3: ball bounced off Jack Tatum hit I think he hit
Speaker 3: Men Swan and the ball the ball bounced into Franco
Speaker 3: Harris's hands and he rand in an end zone. It
Speaker 3: was that was paint. That was my first real tainful experience. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was Forner and just did shock and h and Jack.
Speaker 3: I read Jack Caden's biography It's called they Call Me
Speaker 3: the Assassin, and he hated Franco Harris. I will not
Speaker 3: call you repeat the names and called Franco Harris and
Speaker 3: he said Franco Harris was walking to the bench and
Speaker 3: it just so happened. It selling his hands.
Speaker 2: You know, I got a question for both of you
Speaker 2: before I move on to the next caller, and it
Speaker 2: is it's a real strange one because you're bringing up
Speaker 2: the Steelers and I remember the Steel Curtain obviously, Again,
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about me being born in seventy two,
Speaker 2: the Steelers were coming off of four Super Bowl victories,
Speaker 2: which was an amazing thing at the time. And you
Speaker 2: know today you get Terry Bradshaw. I think he's still
Speaker 2: doing announcing stuff, right, I know he does commercials. But
Speaker 2: you know, at that time when I was a kid though,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember exactly when this happened, but me
Speaker 2: and Joe Green becomes an icon with Coca Cola, right
Speaker 2: because of this whole weird commercial where he throws the
Speaker 2: kid at Jersey. Is he for because he took his
Speaker 2: coke or something like that? And I have a question
Speaker 2: about that. When the hell did mean Joe Green become
Speaker 2: a celebrity? Uh that sort of surpassed everybody, including Bradshaw
Speaker 2: and all that. When did that happen?
Speaker 4: That commercial?
Speaker 2: I mean was it that commercial that did it? Or
Speaker 2: did he get that commercial? I mean, what what what
Speaker 2: went down there?
Speaker 5: He was good, he was an excellent player, I mean,
Speaker 5: he had high stats, but they picked him for that
Speaker 5: commercial and that's what launched him.
Speaker 4: I mean it changed you think about it.
Speaker 5: Mean, Joe Green, you know, kid offers him the coke
Speaker 5: he's walking away, hey kid, and he throws him the jersey.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's iconic.
Speaker 2: M because he's he's supposed to be like a nasty
Speaker 2: hardcore player and he's being a nice guy to the kid.
Speaker 2: So thanks me and Joe Lymph.
Speaker 5: See he's limphant when he when he's walking down the
Speaker 5: hall right and the kid stands on his coke.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it just it changed the whole persona thing.
Speaker 4: But that's what he was. Always an excellent player.
Speaker 2: He's a big dude.
Speaker 3: Agreed, agreed, agreed. I mean I was no Steelers fans,
Speaker 3: but I respected him their great Yeah, I started out
Speaker 3: professional as a hope. That my first love with any
Speaker 3: with any football team I was four years old. That
Speaker 3: happens to be Notre Dame. I'm a big, huge Notre
Speaker 3: Dame fighting Irish fan.
Speaker 2: Okay, so with the college ball too. You know the
Speaker 2: other celebrity from that time period which was amazing to me,
Speaker 2: and I have no idea how he became a celebrities.
Speaker 2: I'm not like a big football historian. Baseball. I know
Speaker 2: some history, but football not so much. It's weird because
Speaker 2: the other guy was big was Bubba Smith. And the
Speaker 2: reason why is because he was in uh he was
Speaker 2: in uh what was it smoking the Bandit movie? I think,
Speaker 2: and he tackles a car. I think that was it.
Speaker 2: And then and then he gets into the Police Academy
Speaker 2: movies and Bubba Smith's like, you know, like a weird
Speaker 2: comedy celebrity.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then of course OJ gets in on the naked
Speaker 2: gun thing a few years later, right. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't remember how Bubba Smith became a celebrity. He
Speaker 2: just was there, you know, along with me and Joe Green.
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, I didn't realize that coke commercial
Speaker 2: is what made mean Joe the celebrity. But he was
Speaker 2: always a good player, but Bubbas was Bubba Smith a
Speaker 2: good player. I don't even remember.
Speaker 4: Him playing as He's another one that was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, see these are guys I didn't really know.
Speaker 2: I was just starting to watch football, you know, and
Speaker 2: the Jets were still crying about Joe Namath, you know,
Speaker 2: by Sady nine.
Speaker 5: Bubba Smith was probably one of the first guys to
Speaker 5: pull the swim moves. You know, where you'll reach, you'll
Speaker 5: spin and you'll reach over and basically break.
Speaker 4: Through the line with your arm to get through. He was.
Speaker 5: He was good at the swim move. So it just
Speaker 5: opened up a hole. I mean he was in the backfield.
Speaker 3: In no time.
Speaker 2: Uh okay, So he was that kind of guy. He
Speaker 2: was like one of those like really fight it out
Speaker 2: really well and uses his whole size advantage and all
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah, I throw you all over the field
Speaker 4: someone size.
Speaker 3: He picked me up and tossed me like a door.
Speaker 2: Nice. All right, excellent. I you know, I I love
Speaker 2: that though. I mean, I just remember these guys as
Speaker 2: the celebrity again. You know, I remember, like I never
Speaker 2: saw oj play either. Really.
Speaker 5: You know, you had the steel curtain, you had to
Speaker 5: flying turple people leaders in Minnesota, you had you know,
Speaker 5: that's back when.
Speaker 4: But this was playing.
Speaker 5: That was that was football at its best. Quarterbacks quarterbacks
Speaker 5: are too protective now. These guys they used to take
Speaker 5: hits that most quarterbacks couldn't take.
Speaker 4: Today they're not conditioned for it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like I'll never forget that that night that
Speaker 2: Joe th Eisman got his leg busted. So that was yeah.
Speaker 11: Once.
Speaker 5: Taylor Man once said, I almost got sick when I
Speaker 5: saw the replay.
Speaker 4: I thought, holy corap. That was Taylor said he almost
Speaker 4: got sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well man, well lt was kind of sick in
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 5: Uh but you know from the sound of it, he said.
Speaker 5: The sound is what he remembers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure it was something that they were
Speaker 2: an iconic moment in football.
Speaker 4: You know, people that saw that saw a game when
Speaker 4: the game was at its best. That was a damn
Speaker 4: good game between the Giants and Redskins.
Speaker 2: There you go. But uh, you know again, I was
Speaker 2: watching stuff in New York and I remember it's at
Speaker 2: a certain point the Jets had to play in uh
Speaker 2: in uh Shay Stadium. Even it was it was a
Speaker 2: weird time too. There was all kinds of things going on,
Speaker 2: and the Jets would always you know, how are they
Speaker 2: going to blow it this year? It was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a Jet span and you're a Mets fan too,
Speaker 2: so you enjoyed disappointments too.
Speaker 4: That I said. I got a question for our guests.
Speaker 5: Did did Las Vegas also get their hockey team from California.
Speaker 3: Or was that a new franchise. I think that the
Speaker 3: Knights was a new franchise. But I oh, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: home to the Stanhok series with my son and grandson
Speaker 3: to Vegas, and I'm telling you that is an amazing
Speaker 3: place to watch a football game. I was pretty impressed
Speaker 3: with the stadium there in Vegas. Oh would like to
Speaker 3: check it out. It looks I mean it's the temperatures perfect,
Speaker 3: the views perfect. Where you go up to get your food,
Speaker 3: I mean they had they were doing like these carved
Speaker 3: roast bean sandwiches. There's a pizza place in North Beach,
Speaker 3: San Francisco. It's Tony Gat. Can't pronounce his name, but
Speaker 3: I've had his pizza in San Francisco, which is considered
Speaker 3: some of the best pizza around. It's delicious. So they
Speaker 3: had his pizza and they had a huge bar. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was just all of the stadium you could get
Speaker 3: access to really good, good food.
Speaker 2: Is that the guy who's way to Dandy? Is that
Speaker 2: the guy in San Francisco who's got an absurdly long
Speaker 2: Italian name that's like like eighteen meters long. Okay, I
Speaker 2: tell you something weird. I was told that, Like I
Speaker 2: can't remember his name either, but I was told that somehow,
Speaker 2: like we have cousins in common, this guy. I don't
Speaker 2: know why that did that. Just yeah, I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but yeah, but he's got some ridiculous like it's got
Speaker 2: two apostrophes in it or some nonsense or used to
Speaker 2: It's like this horrendous Italian name.
Speaker 3: I even try to pronounce it. I don't hear his
Speaker 3: name enough to really have it sync in, but just
Speaker 3: to give you idea, I mean right by his rest
Speaker 3: and you get it by the slice. My son and
Speaker 3: daughter in law when they moved back from LA to
Speaker 3: northern California, they went to work in the techni industry
Speaker 3: and they lived in Northeast and I would drop when
Speaker 3: their first child was born, I would drop my wife
Speaker 3: there on a Sunday night. We'd go there late Sunday
Speaker 3: afternoon and you could just smell the food. It's the
Speaker 3: Italian district there in San Francisco. Was an there in
Speaker 3: North Beach to go to work. Cool, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never been to San Francisco. But he's got
Speaker 2: some ridiculous name like g g Upon Luca, Momoney, gim Monaco,
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, it's that ridiculous, Like, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: better off because I don't know anybody who can pronounce
Speaker 2: that name. Uh you know, so, yeah, somebody spelled it
Speaker 2: out for me and I said, God, that's ridiculous. What happened?
Speaker 2: I mean, did they like, you know, did they like
Speaker 2: put two people's paperwork together at Ellis Island or what?
Speaker 2: And uh? And they were like, no, that's actually a name.
Speaker 2: And I was like, come on, well, yeah, well believe
Speaker 2: it or not, he's actually our you know, third cousin
Speaker 2: over here from I'm like, come on, really, of course,
Speaker 2: you know. Anyways, I'm gonna put you on hold, man
Speaker 2: because we got other callers, but I'll come back around
Speaker 2: to you, Danny, And uh, I think we have Jimmy
Speaker 2: James on the line, and then I'm gonna get into
Speaker 2: beat Petez week real quick before we wind up taking
Speaker 2: a break, because time is flying already on a Friday night,
Speaker 2: and you can join us three one nine, five two
Speaker 2: seven five zero one six. You never know. Could be
Speaker 2: football and pizza on the discussion, could be Watergate, could
Speaker 2: be the latest political debacle. Uh. You know who's demented?
Speaker 2: Who's not? Do we have any more demented candidates out there?
Speaker 2: Is there anybody else some you know, brave damage or
Speaker 2: old age beating them up? Is there some elder abuse
Speaker 2: we can talk about? Is there something crazy going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't look today. Uh anyway, this week,
Speaker 2: what secret service head resigned, et cetera, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: who knows. It's not about what I think, It's about
Speaker 2: what you think. And I think we got Jimmy James
Speaker 2: on the line. Jimmy, is that you?
Speaker 11: Yep?
Speaker 10: And Danny's in luck because for weeks saw I've been
Speaker 10: doing this wallowing and.
Speaker 2: Watergate wallowing in Watergate. Okay, so a couple of things.
Speaker 2: You sent me a clip, well, you sent me not
Speaker 2: a clip, but he sent me a marker to tell
Speaker 2: me where to look on a particular show. And I
Speaker 2: went and I found it on YouTube so that we
Speaker 2: could play it. But I was wondering what the importance
Speaker 2: of that clip was. I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 2: about it. Is it an important clip or am I
Speaker 2: just does it mean anything?
Speaker 3: There is no importance.
Speaker 10: There is no importance to it other than it was
Speaker 10: the first time that the young Roger Stone perhaps got
Speaker 10: a shout out from alternative media.
Speaker 2: And that's all I'm yeah. Nineteen seventy seven, right, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: It was May Brussel, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 10: She pretty much summed up there then.
Speaker 11: Need to.
Speaker 10: But now that's not really important.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, she used to, But you know what's
Speaker 2: ad I know what's wild about May. Hold on a second, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: You know what's wild about May is a lot of
Speaker 2: times she would go off on tangents and she saw
Speaker 2: Nazis under every bed. But outside of that, she would,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes sum up like six months worth of
Speaker 2: news stories in about five sentences and just blow it
Speaker 2: out where it's like you never heard of this guy,
Speaker 2: this is who he is, this is what he did,
Speaker 2: this is why he's important, and this is what's going
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes next, and she would just boom,
Speaker 2: twenty seconds, be done with the guy. And I don't
Speaker 2: hear anybody an alternative media who can do that. You know,
Speaker 2: I take twenty minutes to like, you know, really dress
Speaker 2: somebody down in old media circles, and I go on rants,
Speaker 2: which are you know, melodics sometimes and occasionally poetic. But
Speaker 2: she used to just some stuff up really concisely, bang
Speaker 2: bang bang bang bang. And she wasn't talking fast, but
Speaker 2: she was at a good pace and it didn't sound stressed,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't you know, with any wild annunciation. It
Speaker 2: was just sort of like, and then this guy did this,
Speaker 2: and then he went over to here, and then this happened,
Speaker 2: and then this is a real thing that's actually going on,
Speaker 2: and the whole purpose of it is to destroy this
Speaker 2: guy moving on, you know, like next. You know, she
Speaker 2: didn't say next or anything, but she would just seamlessly,
Speaker 2: you know, go from Nixon to Manson to Roger Stone
Speaker 2: to back around to Bobby Kennedy, something new in the
Speaker 2: in the JFK case, and then a couple of things
Speaker 2: going on in the prison system. And oh yeah, that
Speaker 2: reminds me about the old story that everybody didn't pay
Speaker 2: attention to from last year about Manson, and now the
Speaker 2: mainstream is actually admitting it happened. And boom boom, bom, boom,
Speaker 2: boom boom. And she would do this for forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you that's pretty damned amazing. Even today
Speaker 2: with a you know, a million people with their podcast,
Speaker 2: you don't find people who can vary concisely and precisely,
Speaker 2: you know, consolidate all that information into a couple of sentences.
Speaker 2: Like I said, anyways, I found that amazing. And I
Speaker 2: listened to that clip and I was like, Yeah, she
Speaker 2: summed up everything real fast, told you who you know,
Speaker 2: she absolutely believed was actually undermining Nixon, which is not
Speaker 2: the typical story that you would find everywhere. Uh. And
Speaker 2: I'm more on her side than I am on the
Speaker 2: typical story side, I got to tell you. But it's
Speaker 2: amazing what she would do on that show. So I'm
Speaker 2: glad you sent me that though, Jimmy. Although I come
Speaker 2: to find out that the you know, the reason why
Speaker 2: the may Brussel Research Library is no longer communicating with
Speaker 2: me is because they got five oh one c three
Speaker 2: backing from a nonprofit organization, uh that I find interesting,
Speaker 2: the Romero Institute. And now you know, even the YouTube
Speaker 2: channel doesn't have the may Brussel Project name on it anymore.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, they just stopped talking to me.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the Romero Institute doesn't agree with me.
Speaker 2: Is it because of their relation to the Christian Institute? Possibly? Anyway,
Speaker 2: nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about, Jimmy, Sorry,
Speaker 2: what is on your mind with Watergate? What is of
Speaker 2: importance this week?
Speaker 10: Well, I've been sticking to my continual deep dive in
Speaker 10: the Watergate, and yeah, of course I later remembered Hogan's allegations,
Speaker 10: and he'll be interested that. No one that I've been
Speaker 10: reading or listening to disputes his allegations. In fact, most
Speaker 10: of them build on it. So I've been reminded again
Speaker 10: of Hogan's work, and.
Speaker 11: I was Blagden was his name.
Speaker 10: But yeah, nineteen ninety book.
Speaker 11: You're talking about older works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about Jim Hogan. You're talking about Jim
Speaker 2: Hogan right.
Speaker 10: From the seventies, and then in nineteen ninety there was
Speaker 10: another book kind of old now, but what's that guy's name? Well, anyways,
Speaker 10: some of the newer.
Speaker 2: Information Anthony Sommers. Are you talking about the Anthony Summers book.
Speaker 10: Nah, it's after that. It came out about nineteen ninety.
Speaker 11: His names like.
Speaker 10: Hispanic that I recall.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, well, let me see what I can
Speaker 2: get here.
Speaker 10: It doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter because all these
Speaker 10: people pretty much can see to these two people's points.
Speaker 10: They pretty much And the first person, of course I
Speaker 10: spoke about before. His name was Jeff Shepard, and he
Speaker 10: was one of Nixon's attorneys and he did his best series,
Speaker 10: in my opinion, is if you could find it, if
Speaker 10: you look for him. He did a college course for
Speaker 10: Temple University and he's got like thirteen episodes, fourteen episodes there,
Speaker 10: and they're very good.
Speaker 2: Now, I wonder if Joan Mellen ran out. I wonder
Speaker 2: if Joan Mellon ran into him because she was a
Speaker 2: you know, I wonder if Joan Mellon ran into him
Speaker 2: because she was a professor for many years at Temple University.
Speaker 2: And after Yeah, and the Hogan book that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: a secret Agenda, and that's by Jim Hogan. It was
Speaker 2: released in nineteen eighty four. According to what I read here,
Speaker 2: and I'll put the link in the chat room on
Speaker 2: Chlly dot com for everybody. If you haven't read this
Speaker 2: or you're not where Jim Hogan's work, Secret Agenda, I
Speaker 2: gotta tell you to me, it still stands quite well,
Speaker 2: even forty years later. You know, it's not perfect, but
Speaker 2: his main ideas absolutely stand up to scrutiny in my
Speaker 2: mind in that book.
Speaker 11: Anyway, go ahead, m Sorry, this gets expanded on.
Speaker 10: Not only does this guy that's a lawyer in college
Speaker 10: instructor he says, basically, someone brings up the Jim Hogan book.
Speaker 10: He says, I like Jim Hogan, and I'm actually fond
Speaker 10: of his ideas, but due to this being a college course,
Speaker 10: if you want to discuss that, it'll have to be
Speaker 10: after the class, because the main trust of his classes
Speaker 10: was an insider's view, because he was literally there, and
Speaker 10: he's just got all kinds of interesting things, and he
Speaker 10: focuses on basically, his focuses.
Speaker 11: Were on how Nixon was.
Speaker 10: Cheated because the prosecution, the judge, and the Congress and
Speaker 10: all sorts of people were working together, which is illegal
Speaker 10: and legal matters ex partey, they can't be doing that,
Speaker 10: and he covers all that beautifully. So then I found
Speaker 10: another guy's work named John O'Connor. Now his work is
Speaker 10: called well, let's see the Mysteries of water Gate. Now
Speaker 10: he again he's got no problem with Cogan's work. And
Speaker 10: actually that guy in the nineteen nineties expanded it. The
Speaker 10: idea that there was a so called prostitution ring Ryan
Speaker 10: and the idea that John Dean was actually trying to
Speaker 10: get information about his wife removed. That's pretty much the
Speaker 10: allegations of the earlier researchers I took.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of them. John O'Connor is an interesting guy.
Speaker 2: By the way, I am friendly with a John O'Connor.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, I'm not sure if this
Speaker 2: guy is the author of that book or not the
Speaker 2: John O'Connor that i'm friendly with weirdly, but anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 11: Well, this guy's he's.
Speaker 10: Got a very interesting podcast and book about it.
Speaker 2: And o connor has a pocket boy.
Speaker 11: He just.
Speaker 2: Huh, when did O'Connor start a podcast?
Speaker 10: I don't know. Well, this is is actually from four
Speaker 10: years ago. There is a limited podcast and as pre
Speaker 10: much the summation of his book after Jeff Shepard's Temple series,
Speaker 10: I would say go through this and you'll find out
Speaker 10: such interesting things as Michael Stevens, well, who's he Well,
Speaker 10: he was the bugs manufacturer fabricator that James McCrory picked
Speaker 10: to make the bugs. You'll also find out that the
Speaker 10: bugs that were installed were satellite bugs, which creep and
Speaker 10: no one in the White House would have even had
Speaker 10: the equipment to listen in to. You would have needed
Speaker 10: a satellite for that. You'll also find out that mister
Speaker 10: McCord was mysteriously bailed out by out of jail by
Speaker 10: a man named Lee Pennington, and nobody knows who this
Speaker 10: guy is the CIA told everyone to take a fly
Speaker 10: in height. He says, don't worry about who he is, don't.
Speaker 11: Bring him up again.
Speaker 10: So they didn't, and of course the defense knew nothing
Speaker 10: about any of this.
Speaker 2: Well, what's funny, is, Jimmy, what's funny is how many
Speaker 2: of these dead end guys are involved in the Watergate affair.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of people whose identities lead to nowhere,
Speaker 2: isn't there?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 10: Well, here you go. There actually was a sixth Burglar
Speaker 10: and his name was Lou Russell. Now there's some crazy
Speaker 10: keeping guy running out there claiming his dad was the
Speaker 10: sixth Burglar. Well, obviously not, or else he would have
Speaker 10: known about Lou Russell, the actual sixth Burglar.
Speaker 12: What did he do?
Speaker 10: Well, he was listening to the taps. What did he
Speaker 10: say that he kept cheering under oak And this was
Speaker 10: mentioned in Jim Hogan's books. He said, well, mostly I
Speaker 10: kept hearing a bunch of what sounded like perverted private talk.
Speaker 10: We went played the committee. Tod never mention Lou Russell,
Speaker 10: never mentioned Michael Stevens, never mentioned this weird man Pennington,
Speaker 10: all of whom were very much connected to James McCord.
Speaker 10: Mostly and his mollan and associates. And yes, they were
Speaker 10: all CIA connected, but I think in this case.
Speaker 11: It's more.
Speaker 10: Short reasons that we now know based on the work
Speaker 10: of doctor John Newman. Of course, James from Accord was
Speaker 10: a Soviet mold. Not only was he bungling the Burgurly burg.
Speaker 11: Girl whatever burglary.
Speaker 10: Yes, he actually brought his own man with him that
Speaker 10: none of the other burglars knew about why he kept
Speaker 10: leaving the burger.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the other question, Jimmy, here's the other question. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have another one of these mystery man questions for
Speaker 2: you though, because I don't remember if it was in
Speaker 2: Hogan's book or if it was in one of the
Speaker 2: early you know Insider. They didn't claim it was a
Speaker 2: non fiction book by an anonymous writer. But there was
Speaker 2: a crossover here where they had a young guy who
Speaker 2: was driving at some point. Now nobody's ever said he
Speaker 2: was part of the conspiracy, but this young guy goes
Speaker 2: in and out of this conspiracy and is driving people around,
Speaker 2: making sure that people get dropped off at certain locations,
Speaker 2: you know, where they can't be parking cars. And it's
Speaker 2: not a taxi driver, And nobody's ever tracked down who
Speaker 2: that is? Do you have any idea who that is?
Speaker 2: At one point somebody tried to claim it was Saint
Speaker 2: John Hunt, but I don't think so. Even as a teenager,
Speaker 2: I don't think this was the guy who was driving
Speaker 2: around Watergate burglars, you know, the Cuban guys especially, you
Speaker 2: know who do you know anything about that?
Speaker 11: Well, I'll take a while, guess and say that it
Speaker 11: was good to see.
Speaker 10: Here, either Russell Stevens or Pennington.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because nobody ever names him, nobody ever goes after him.
Speaker 2: And it's weird because it's like, hey, we don't even
Speaker 2: need to know who that is. But the guy's driving.
Speaker 2: If he's driving people around and dropping him off, he's
Speaker 2: obviously got pertinent information. So why did nobody go to
Speaker 2: find out what's happening?
Speaker 10: This guy absolutely buys your guys.
Speaker 11: This series on.
Speaker 10: The Purpose was basically him and Jeff Shepard and all.
Speaker 10: The author's conclusion is that John Dene was mostly responsible
Speaker 10: and he was trying to get information to that embarrassed wife.
Speaker 10: My conclusions are a little different. I think that James
Speaker 10: mccordord was piggybacking yet another CIA operation or just making
Speaker 10: one and getting intelligence for the Russians.
Speaker 2: Well, I think multiple things, so yeah, to do multiple
Speaker 2: things were going on here, and I think the absolute purpose,
Speaker 2: the primary purpose, in my mind, was to was to
Speaker 2: undermine and get Nixon removed. Now as for the why
Speaker 2: of that, you know, is it merely because of what
Speaker 2: went on with Dick Helms, Because Dick Helms would be
Speaker 2: exactly the guy who could tap on a lot of
Speaker 2: shoulders and wind up putting this thing into uh you
Speaker 2: know who else would have gotten Lyddy and Hunt together,
Speaker 2: I mean realistically, So what is your thought on that
Speaker 2: his Helms at the center of this for multiple premises, I.
Speaker 10: Don't believe, No, I don't believe Helmes was involved with
Speaker 10: at all with Watergate in my opinion so far, I mean,
Speaker 10: I'm open to so Faray.
Speaker 11: I think things went down as it a.
Speaker 10: Pierce Magruder and Dean or the mommy and the daddy
Speaker 10: of this thing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 10: I don't even think John Mitchell was knowledgeable at the time.
Speaker 10: They told him after the.
Speaker 11: Facts and he may or may not.
Speaker 10: He bonded to fight the thing in court that his
Speaker 10: lawyer wouldn't loud.
Speaker 11: Well he tried.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's a weird thing. It's a weird
Speaker 2: thing with Mitchell. True. But but but the reason why
Speaker 2: I keep bringing up Helms is because look, who else
Speaker 2: would have had off the shelf guys that nobody is
Speaker 2: even going to bother to acknowledge existed?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 2: Who else has guys like that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 10: I will tell you that mister Soley, who was James
Speaker 10: Jesus Sangleton's boss and also Soviet mole, pretty much have
Speaker 10: the power to make things like this happen.
Speaker 11: So you think that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know these guys basically have you know,
Speaker 2: a phone book of assets that they can call upon,
Speaker 2: you know, to put into action when you need somebody
Speaker 2: to be there, but never be proven that he was
Speaker 2: there and not actually exist. You know, a guy who
Speaker 2: shows up who's got ID and everything else, but when
Speaker 2: you go to check, the guy doesn't exist and then
Speaker 2: he disappears. I mean that is a fairly unique asset
Speaker 2: back then. To have guys who knew how to operate
Speaker 2: and also had that non existent ID was something. So
Speaker 2: but you think that that's Engleton's boss, huh?
Speaker 10: I think he? I don't know that solely was the
Speaker 10: top guy on this. I mean Macor definitely is involved,
Speaker 10: and since solely was technically a court superior. I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't know how RUSSI inspiring is wrong. But I
Speaker 10: did find through the Mary Farrell that the Stevens guy, Yeah,
Speaker 10: he was a non bugger from the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 11: The FBI had records on him.
Speaker 10: He was an official CIA employee, He was contracted at times,
Speaker 10: he directly worked for McCords, Little Mullan and whatever, so
Speaker 10: he was quaused i CIA. This is what everything keeps
Speaker 10: going back to mcford, which makes me think that I
Speaker 10: don't know, I just don't know if this I mean,
Speaker 10: I'm open to it. I traditionally always thought it was
Speaker 10: the CIA or Nixon, but with these revelations from John
Speaker 10: Newman that there's just and there's just all kinds of
Speaker 10: Soviet moles there.
Speaker 3: And there's also a part going on behind.
Speaker 10: Water Gate that I'm still not clear on. Apparently there
Speaker 10: was quote unquote a military spiring operating in the White House.
Speaker 10: I still don't know exactly what the devil they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, this is why guys like Gordon Nobel become useful, right,
Speaker 2: because you know a guy who has some electronics expertise,
Speaker 2: a little bit of a specialty who nobody wants to
Speaker 2: claim doesn't actually have a legit job or a connection,
Speaker 2: you know, where they become quasi assets stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And Nobel's just one of the more notable characters, because
Speaker 2: he was quite a character, right, But these other guys,
Speaker 2: it's just a weird nexus that comes together, and I
Speaker 2: think that reveals a lot of who the real hands
Speaker 2: were that were actually you know, holding the strings. Is
Speaker 2: when you can really sort out where all these assets
Speaker 2: came from. I think you're gonna come up with a
Speaker 2: combination of things that could have only originated from a
Speaker 2: very limited list of people. And look, I enjoy this
Speaker 2: kind of talk. I don't know what you think about
Speaker 2: a VPTE, but we are going to take a break
Speaker 2: pretty soon, and I want to try and take some
Speaker 2: more calls. And besides that, Danny might have questions now
Speaker 2: that you brought up all this stuff. Maybe we'll put
Speaker 2: both of you on when we come back. What do
Speaker 2: you think I got?
Speaker 10: You got one quick thing that I's fascinating was that
Speaker 10: the cash found on Dorothy Hunt was not creep money.
Speaker 10: It was John Dene money, which she made Witty take
Speaker 10: the Florida and Liddy body bondered it, which she didn't
Speaker 10: because they didn't take them much effort to figure out exactly.
Speaker 11: What he did.
Speaker 2: And you're talking about the money that was that was
Speaker 2: in her vicinity when she died after the plane crash,
Speaker 2: the ten grand they found or whatever that money.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, on her smoldering person quirks. And there was
Speaker 10: some kind of message written on one hundred dollars bill,
Speaker 10: though I can't on one bill. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 10: what it says off hand, but just another bizarre thing.
Speaker 2: Unless somebody's got a photograph of that hundred dollars bill,
Speaker 2: I would think that a message written on one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars bill is likely closer to urban legend than reality.
Speaker 2: That would be one of the dumbest damn things to
Speaker 2: do in the world, to write a message on one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars bill that you're expecting somebody to either deposit somewhere.
Speaker 10: Or exact pass. It's just just more like to or
Speaker 10: from and then like initials or It wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 10: this is what's going on.
Speaker 11: It was just like a few Yeah. It's just interesting.
Speaker 2: It almost sounds to me like it's it's part of
Speaker 2: the urban legend though, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 2: you know, like the guy who says he heard the
Speaker 2: gunshot when what's his name there blew his brains out,
Speaker 2: you know, and turns out he was, you know, not
Speaker 2: even in the state at the time. De Moorinshield. Right
Speaker 2: when de Mornshield died, there was a couple of people
Speaker 2: that claim to have actually heard the gunshot and then
Speaker 2: later turns out that they didn't. Bill O'Reilly said he
Speaker 2: was outside the house, right, and there was.
Speaker 11: Another guy, yeah, good didn't, No.
Speaker 2: Not not Gayton Fonzie, Gayton fons He was trying to
Speaker 2: approach him, and uh, and then Mark Lane and a
Speaker 2: group of other people had heard the recording at the inquest,
Speaker 2: but somebody who claimed to actually have been there like
Speaker 2: at the moment it happened I'm talking about, and uh,
Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly claimed that at one point, but then we
Speaker 2: found out he was full of crap, you know, a
Speaker 2: big shocker there.
Speaker 10: But yeah, that's when I realized that Bill O'Reilly is
Speaker 10: not a tripayer tirt.
Speaker 2: No, he's a he's a good performer.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 2: He had a shtick that was working for him quite
Speaker 2: well late nineties going into you know, post nine to
Speaker 2: eleven reality. I was an avid watcher of Bill O'Reilly
Speaker 2: in like say, nineteen ninety nine, two thousand. You know,
Speaker 2: he was interest even if I agreed with a lot
Speaker 2: of what he said, but even if I didn't, I
Speaker 2: found him fascinating as a broadcaster because his his shtick
Speaker 2: was entertaining, you know, no spin Zone, and then he
Speaker 2: wouldn't let anybody talk. He would spin things, not let
Speaker 2: you talk, yell at you, and then go to commercial,
Speaker 2: you know, hilarious, except the night that Marilyn Manson kind
Speaker 2: of you know, put him in his place and wasn't
Speaker 2: just a doped out, you know, complete zombie you know,
Speaker 2: which I think O'Reilly figured he had easy, easy target there.
Speaker 2: But outside of that, I kind of like the way
Speaker 2: O'Reilly was unfair to his guests and kept wondering why
Speaker 2: they kept showing up on the No Spin Zone, you
Speaker 2: know when Fox News was like building its balls, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I noticed he had a tendance seated too that
Speaker 10: everyone would plain about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I was so much of a listener
Speaker 2: and watcher of Bill O'Reilly that I think I owned
Speaker 2: three of his books, one of them on audio and
Speaker 2: two that I actually you know, sat down to read
Speaker 2: and it was all, you know, it was all all
Speaker 2: right wing hype and all and things were better in
Speaker 2: the old when I was a kid in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly, so you know whatever.
Speaker 10: Anyways, the only thing and the first thing I ever
Speaker 10: looked at at by him was JFK, which just sad
Speaker 10: is to be something I knew about, so I immediately
Speaker 10: pretty much knew what he was about. Right after that,
Speaker 10: I said, Okay, this guy's full of more craft than an.
Speaker 2: Out of which which part of the JFK thing did
Speaker 2: you come in on? Because back in the days when
Speaker 2: he was doing Inside Edition, uh, you know, he was
Speaker 2: out there making allegations, and you know, we talked to
Speaker 2: Gayton Phonsie and Gating Fonsie told us that you know
Speaker 2: this and this is good.
Speaker 10: In the nineties, I seen him as a totally different
Speaker 10: of course, from yeah, like you said, that other show
Speaker 10: where he would actually show so called conspiracies angles and
Speaker 10: the JFK thing one of the few places right.
Speaker 2: And then he started writing his Killing Everybody book series,
Speaker 2: you know, Killing Kennedy, Killing Lincoln killing. I can't even
Speaker 2: remember everybody was it killing Truman. I don't know how
Speaker 2: many how many people was he, you know, the killing
Speaker 2: of this one and that one. Yeah, them all, Yeah,
Speaker 2: killed them all.
Speaker 13: He killed them all to kill them all books series.
Speaker 10: It was wonderful, was buying. He did find that one,
Speaker 10: that one tramp and interviewed him. Yeah, and he assured
Speaker 10: everyone that him and his bodies didn't kill anyone.
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, I got to tell you, I actually believe
Speaker 2: the story that Bill O'Reilly ran, not because Bill O'Reilly
Speaker 2: ran it, but you know, because there was backing for
Speaker 2: that in my mind, and the stuff that people tried
Speaker 2: to make it out to be Howard hot.
Speaker 6: And all that.
Speaker 10: Yet I think that one thing he did great in
Speaker 10: the nineties, I believed that that was the tramp that
Speaker 10: they always call hunt. It wasn't right, this guy said, no,
Speaker 10: believe me, I'm the guy it wasn't not right. That's
Speaker 10: one thing where I'm like, thanks Bill, Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's I'll thank him for that because that was good.
Speaker 2: And you know, it also wasn't Chauncey Holt. It also
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, any other Watergate people. It just was
Speaker 2: these three guys who did look strange, but they just
Speaker 2: look strange. It's nothing, and that's that's the amazing. People
Speaker 2: will still go back to that. Go I don't know,
Speaker 2: you look at the guy's ear and I think it
Speaker 2: looks like, come on, you're giving me earprint evidence from
Speaker 2: a blurry, black and white photograph that's been blown up
Speaker 2: eighty times. And oh, by the way, you know you're
Speaker 2: using a digital version of that. So what do you got?
Speaker 2: A whole lot of nothing? Yeah, okay, anyway, Fletcher Proudy,
Speaker 2: all right, so what are you gonna do? Jimmy, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put you on hold, but we are gonna come
Speaker 2: back around, take a little break. And I still haven't
Speaker 2: even checked in with b Pete about his week, have
Speaker 2: I Damn, we are way behind be Pete. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take this break, give you the opening, and then let
Speaker 2: you figure out how we should bring those two back
Speaker 2: on if nobody else calls in. What do you think? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you got to take this next half of
Speaker 2: the show, man, I mean we got to hear about
Speaker 2: your week, and then yeah, I want you to conduct
Speaker 2: the conversation between Jimmy and Danny, because Danny wants to
Speaker 2: know about Watergate, Danny's interest in football. I know Jimmy
Speaker 2: is two, so you might get a little Watergate, a
Speaker 2: little football, a little god knows what. And also whatever
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Speaker 2: We didn't get to open tonight by asking you how
Speaker 2: your week went? What's on your brain today? Nothing? I
Speaker 2: wonder if you wouldn't give us just a couple of
Speaker 2: minutes of you know that, because we missed it at
Speaker 2: the top of the show. Sometimes you give us a
Speaker 2: weather report and then we'll transition back into callers. If
Speaker 2: we get a new one, we'll put them up front,
Speaker 2: but otherwise we might let Jimmy, James and Danny talk
Speaker 2: to each other a little. I'm thinking, but up to you, brother,
Speaker 2: how was your week? Let's go there.
Speaker 4: Well, RWIE sucked. Basically we have been hit with rain.
Speaker 4: I mean it sucked that loud. We've been hit with
Speaker 4: rain every damn day. Jobs has been shut down. We
Speaker 4: haven't done anything in five days, so I mean it's
Speaker 4: it's been that bad.
Speaker 5: Everything has been training up the coast and we get
Speaker 5: it during the day and then we really get it
Speaker 5: bad overnight. I mean, thunderstorms do sound like you're sleeping
Speaker 5: in the bar and alley.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's been pretty intense.
Speaker 5: I'm getting ready to go out in the morning and
Speaker 5: put some pontoons on my lawnlowder.
Speaker 2: Tackle the front yard, pontoons on the lawndower. That sounds like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it.
Speaker 5: You've had flash flood warnings all over the place, tornado warnings,
Speaker 5: stuff like that when these funds and finally this front
Speaker 5: is moving through.
Speaker 4: So my sinuses are quick screaming. But other than that,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's been it's been a very hectic week.
Speaker 5: But I would like to say, you know, put a
Speaker 5: note out there to all the powers that be that
Speaker 5: they've got to change their damn schedule because I get
Speaker 5: tired of stuff happening.
Speaker 3: The minute we go.
Speaker 4: Off air on Friday night, corap.
Speaker 5: Starts happening, and we don't get to talk about it
Speaker 5: for a week. So by the week goes by and
Speaker 5: you're tired of talking about it by the end of
Speaker 5: the week. So they need to redo their schedule or
Speaker 5: either we need to switch to Monday night.
Speaker 2: Yeah plan, Yeah, plan your resignations and political scan and
Speaker 2: you know, alleged assassination attempts and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's really getting hard.
Speaker 3: To stay up with it.
Speaker 5: But right, but by the time the end of the
Speaker 5: week gets here, I've heard so much crap this week
Speaker 5: about two seaters and three seaters and four seaters and.
Speaker 11: Five guns and.
Speaker 4: Did you did you see that water tower?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did you see Mike Adams thing about how
Speaker 2: like no shots were actually fired by the kid crooks?
Speaker 2: Did you see that?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 4: Okay, no, Mike Adams, which Mike Adams, the.
Speaker 2: Health ranger, Mike Adams, you know, yeah, that guy will
Speaker 2: have to link to that. I'll get it for you.
Speaker 2: I think I put it in the chat room actually
Speaker 2: and said uh and and said, Jimmy James, give me
Speaker 2: your reaction to this, because I think Adams states that,
Speaker 2: you know, he's been reviewing the video and the pictures
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, dude, he says, uh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: kid never fired a shot. Why is the gun seven
Speaker 2: feet away from the body? Blah blah blah. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: I mean, I am not responding to this, but I
Speaker 2: figured I would let Jimmy James have at it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he looked at it, but I put
Speaker 2: it in the chat room. Yeah, please do take a
Speaker 2: look at it.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll go and look at it. But it's been
Speaker 5: I mean some of the stuff that I've heard. Some
Speaker 5: of the stuff I've heard makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: Some just that's crazy.
Speaker 2: But see, that's the thing is you got that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got conspiracy theorists, you know, going going full bore
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist, you got official explanation defenders and and all
Speaker 2: that going, you know, full tilt boogie on that BS.
Speaker 2: And then you got you know, the Trump, the Trump narrative.
Speaker 2: But there is a whole lot of other crazy out
Speaker 2: there that I can't even put in a box. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's weird the people that are defending the real
Speaker 2: situation in Mike, in my opinion, the people that are
Speaker 2: making excuses and making it into something larger than it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, AJ goes live on Saturday Night Emergency Broadcast.
Speaker 2: There's been a coup against the United States, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: a coup against the United Wait a minute, this guy's
Speaker 2: a candidate for president. Oh hold on, are you talking
Speaker 2: about Biden, you know, dropping out, which that also happened
Speaker 2: this week. And I'm tired of talking about all of it.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to talk about Kamala at this point,
Speaker 2: right because I'm sick of it already by the time
Speaker 2: we get the Friday. So yeah, I concur u, can
Speaker 2: you please stop doing stuff on Friday night and Saturday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the part that ticks me off. And it has
Speaker 4: just come out the past couple of days, and this
Speaker 4: is the coupd of draw.
Speaker 5: They are already wiping websites of quotes and stories.
Speaker 4: Yep, a voul Kamala yep.
Speaker 5: And I really have to make myself say Kamala because
Speaker 5: the only other Kamala I know was a wrestler.
Speaker 2: And the ugandhan Ja I said it was Kamala, not Kamalata,
Speaker 2: the giant kamaladon giant.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, to think about, that's the only other. That's
Speaker 4: the only other Kamala. You know, It's just it's crazy.
Speaker 5: But when they start trying to rewrite history, I mean,
Speaker 5: just how stupid do these people think the public really is?
Speaker 4: That's what amazes me. These are mainstream news sources out.
Speaker 9: There, you know, just handing out the same piece of
Speaker 9: paper with the same bullet points and they all are
Speaker 9: reading from it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: It's so hilarious that I just can't believe that they
Speaker 5: actually think the public is that stupid, that there's not
Speaker 5: some people out there that are going to call them
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 2: But the shock is amazing. The shocker is the public
Speaker 2: is that stupid? Number one? Number two. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 2: we're at.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: And and by the way, I guess you didn't live
Speaker 2: in enough black neighborhoods. I've known plenty of people over
Speaker 2: the years, tangentially that were named uh Kamala, but they
Speaker 2: were all Kamalas and uh, yeah, they were generally girls,
Speaker 2: and uh they were not of mixed heritage according to them.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. They were black, Uh, and
Speaker 2: that was that. And they you know, it's like all
Speaker 2: the girls named Tunisia, and you know, Kamala goes along
Speaker 2: with just those names. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Those those I've never I've lived all over the United States,
Speaker 5: I've never run into another Kamala.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's there's plenty. I mean, I every neighborhood
Speaker 2: I used to move into, there was two, three, four
Speaker 2: of them, no problem. I mean, it wasn't quite as
Speaker 2: big as Jennifer in the white community, but it was
Speaker 2: kind of like, uh, kind of like a Stacy as
Speaker 2: a name. Stacy was as popular in the white communities
Speaker 2: or the mixed communities as say, Kamala was in black
Speaker 2: communities and mixed communities. So uh, yeah, no common Kamala.
Speaker 2: I saw all the time. This Kamala, which is a
Speaker 2: slightly different drag on. It is new to me, so
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell's up with that, but
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you got to stop yourself almost every
Speaker 2: time and say kama lah instead of yeah, Kamala. You've
Speaker 2: gone to a giant.
Speaker 4: It's amazing how far she's gone down this.
Speaker 5: This is a person that never had a single primary
Speaker 5: vote in her favor, not as president, been in a primary,
Speaker 5: and here she is supposedly going to take the helm
Speaker 5: of the Democratic.
Speaker 4: Party for this election only in America.
Speaker 11: Think about it.
Speaker 3: Did you win in America?
Speaker 4: Could you not even have to run in a primary
Speaker 4: and you could be president?
Speaker 2: Well wait a minute, Well she ran in primaries, just
Speaker 2: not for long, right, No, she didn't know she got.
Speaker 4: Out before the first primary.
Speaker 2: She ran, So when she did that debate and everything
Speaker 2: that was before the first primary. I barely remember this now,
Speaker 2: remember the debate where she's like the first Okay, did
Speaker 2: she ever run in a primary when she was, you know,
Speaker 2: in California? No, did she ever run? I mean, because
Speaker 2: I know she did. She didn't make it in the
Speaker 2: presidential primary? Cool, but did she ever run any?
Speaker 4: For me? Is the ag? In is the Attorney General
Speaker 4: of San Francisco. They run for that. I appo she
Speaker 4: was in that primary.
Speaker 5: But this is somebody that has never been in a
Speaker 5: presidential primary that's getting ready to take the.
Speaker 4: Helmet and be on the ballot and could win, could win?
Speaker 13: Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, she ain't doing that. But I mean, let's see.
Speaker 4: I mean that's how this whole week's spin and trying
Speaker 4: to keep up with him spin. Heactic to go and work.
Speaker 5: We've had stuff blown apart work. It's just got so
Speaker 5: much water on the job site, like two inches of
Speaker 5: rain a day, two inches of rain at night for
Speaker 5: six days. It's been hectic trying to stay on top
Speaker 5: of it. They is the assassination stuff. Trying to stay
Speaker 5: on top of that, it's almost impossible. But I did
Speaker 5: find a story that I know you're not going to
Speaker 5: hear anywhere else.
Speaker 4: Of all deaths directly linked to COVID shots. Autopsy data shows.
Speaker 5: This group of American oncologists, cardiologists, doctors, and scientists and
Speaker 5: some pre big names in there did a study using
Speaker 5: autopsy reports, and they're saying that.
Speaker 4: A damning new study has revealed.
Speaker 5: That autopsy data shows COVID MRMA shots have overwhelming and
Speaker 5: contributed to all cause deaths around the world. They've done
Speaker 5: the study and says it's COVID shots are directly linked
Speaker 5: to seventy three point nine percent of all deaths.
Speaker 4: Now, when are you going to hear that in the
Speaker 4: mainstream media?
Speaker 2: Oh, mainstream forget it. I've seen that published on a
Speaker 2: couple of substacks that that happened, but I wasn't certain
Speaker 2: that anybody would speak of it anywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and very quickly I did some research while we
Speaker 4: were in the break.
Speaker 5: There are thirteen editions in the Killing series by Bill
Speaker 5: O'Reilly and he kills Let's see a Killing, Reagan, chilling, Kennedy, chilling, Jesus, killing,
Speaker 5: England killing, Potton killing, the SS, killing the Rising Sun, Chilling,
Speaker 5: Crazy Horse killing, the Mob Killing the Killers and killing
Speaker 5: the witches, and then he's got his thirteenth book is
Speaker 5: a combination Killing Lincoln Killing Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, so he put that out later, that
Speaker 2: combo book.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: He put out that combo Kennedy and the Lincoln book later.
Speaker 2: It was like a second edition kind of deal. Yeah, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: I was not aware that. And it all started with
Speaker 2: the killing Kennedy thing where you know, again, like I said,
Speaker 2: depending on which point in O'Reilly's career, you never know
Speaker 2: what point of view he was going with, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as the assassination, is he a pro conspiracy
Speaker 2: guy or not all the way up till he published
Speaker 2: that where basically, you know, the Warrant Commission got it
Speaker 2: right according to him, except he wants to point out discrepancies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's why I was asking about this. Martin Dugard.
Speaker 5: Bill o'roniy writes books by hiring someone to write the
Speaker 5: book for him.
Speaker 4: He doesn't spend a lot of time on these books.
Speaker 5: He comes up with his general bullet points he wants
Speaker 5: to make has left up somebody else put it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it kind of sounds like, you know, Dick
Speaker 2: Russell's job when it comes to writing with Jesse Ventura, right,
Speaker 2: I mean basically, Dick Russell pulls together the research and
Speaker 2: they and the raw guts of the thing and says,
Speaker 2: here's the proof for the for the crap that Jesse
Speaker 2: just said, you know on the last page, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: isn't that the way that's that that book team runs?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, and you can find all of his stuff
Speaker 5: at McMillan Publishers.
Speaker 2: There you go. And Roger Stone another guy who had
Speaker 2: you know, various co authors with him, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: really do all the work. He has somebody else doing.
Speaker 4: You I understand all the big to do about Roger Stone.
Speaker 4: He seems to me, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It seems to me to be one of those persons
Speaker 5: that will interject himself into a situation.
Speaker 4: But I understand what the big deal is. I've never
Speaker 4: understood where he.
Speaker 15: Either contributed or didn't contribute or calls or I mean,
Speaker 15: he was responsible for what dirty tricks factor in Nixon's
Speaker 15: times or in elections.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's a plain defect.
Speaker 2: No, that's not it. That's where his career begins. Okay,
Speaker 2: but he's involved with you know, the Willie Hort thing.
Speaker 2: He's involved with various presidential campaigns. He's involved with a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different campaigns, but he's never the guy
Speaker 2: who's up front. He's one of those behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly, but I do remember he was
Speaker 2: part of that that maneuver somehow, and he was part
Speaker 2: of just a whole bunch of stuff that's kind of greasy,
Speaker 2: some of the you know, revelations that turned up, some
Speaker 2: of the a whole bunch of the stuff from you know,
Speaker 2: different scandals, a lot of the initial reports, some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that floats out there and like the the Inquirer,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, media circles and stuff like that that
Speaker 2: later on turns out to be true. In some cases,
Speaker 2: it was Roger Stone coming up with it, and he
Speaker 2: was involved deeply in the DC scene, so to speak.
Speaker 2: It's just that he got busted swinging with his wife,
Speaker 2: and once that happened, that was unacceptable, so they sort
Speaker 2: of uninvited him into that weird inner circle where he
Speaker 2: was able to work behind the scenes for a lot
Speaker 2: of people. Also, he was running Trump's campaign at one point,
Speaker 2: and he had been friends with Trump a long time,
Speaker 2: So this is why he came back into prominence, but
Speaker 2: he also has these series of you know, conspiracy based books.
Speaker 2: He's a Johnson Killed Kennedy guy and all that. And
Speaker 2: recently when I had Joan Mellanon, we talked about it,
Speaker 2: I think, on air, about Rogerstone and the weird thing
Speaker 2: that went on with her, which, by the way, here's
Speaker 2: the clip. I'm just going to play this real fast beat, Pete,
Speaker 2: and then I want to get back to the callers.
Speaker 2: But here's a partial clip of that May Brussel saying
Speaker 2: that Jimmy sent me by email for me to listen to,
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, that's probably the first time that
Speaker 2: Roger Stone got mentioned by you know, sort of an
Speaker 2: outsider media outlet. So you know, this is back in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven when May is broadcasting at a Carmel,
Speaker 2: California doing I think it's a conversation, can you It
Speaker 2: might have been called at this point either way. It's
Speaker 2: from nord Is it November of nineteen seventy No, No,
Speaker 2: not November. Let me correct myself. It's from May, May
Speaker 2: ninth of nineteen seventy seven. And here's that clip, real fast,
Speaker 2: just a few seconds of it to give you an
Speaker 2: idea of May Brussels sort of wrapping around on Roger
Speaker 2: Stone real quick in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 16: You're tranquilizers. Another payoff was Carl Feldbaund, the former assistant
Speaker 16: Watergates Special prosecutor, and he was named to just recently
Speaker 16: the Defense Department as the Inspector General's post. He's been
Speaker 16: promoted to the US Defense Department. And it was the
Speaker 16: Defense Department that was working to get Richard Nixon out
Speaker 16: because of his stand for its opening up Dunton with
Speaker 16: Russia and China, and a far with the right wing
Speaker 16: group was sabotaging Richard Nixon. And one member of the
Speaker 16: special prosecutors team has now been named to the Defense
Speaker 16: Inspector General's post in Washington, d C. Another young gentleman
Speaker 16: by the name of Roger Stone, who had the alias
Speaker 16: of Jason Rainier during the Watergate dirty tricks, is now
Speaker 16: organizing with mister Hugary in Washington, d C. And in
Speaker 16: the Southwest. They plan to make the entire Congress a
Speaker 16: far right Republican by the next elections if possible. And
Speaker 16: this is very important because of the sabotage against members
Speaker 16: in Congress that have been infiltrated by the Korean CIA,
Speaker 16: and the scandal will just break at the time of
Speaker 16: the next elections. This gentleman was cited by the Watergate
Speaker 16: Committee for sabotage and espionage and never charged for any crimes,
Speaker 16: and now is very active and Young Americans for Freedom
Speaker 16: which sponsored Spiro Agnua in the first place. Even though
Speaker 16: Agnew is out of office and not running now, he
Speaker 16: says he could run again. He said that last week
Speaker 16: he could win, and he could run again, and the
Speaker 16: same people that were behind him at the time of
Speaker 16: Watergate are working harder now. It was the same Rogers
Speaker 16: Stone that hired a Michael mcnanaway. It was the day
Speaker 16: and chair number two at the time of Watergate, and
Speaker 16: he paid He was paid five thousand dollars by Charles
Speaker 16: Colson to send money to Pete McCloskey and say it
Speaker 16: was from the Gay Liberation Front and some more money
Speaker 16: from the Trotsky Young Socialist And then they drafted anonymous
Speaker 16: letters to the Manchester New Hampshire newspaper to William Lowe
Speaker 16: and said that McCosky was getting money from Trotsky Foundation
Speaker 16: of Trotzky contribution.
Speaker 2: See it's weird stuff like that. That Rogerstone ends up doing. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, it turns around and uh, it literally directs
Speaker 2: a donation to somebody and then alerts the newspaper. Hey,
Speaker 2: this guy's getting money from a communist organization. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, these kind of tricks and things that he
Speaker 2: was always involved in pulling and masterminding. Actually, and this
Speaker 2: is what made him useful himself.
Speaker 5: To me, it just sounds like a run of the mill,
Speaker 5: every day crap in DC. Well, except I don't see
Speaker 5: where he was well, but he should be a celebrity
Speaker 5: over it.
Speaker 2: Well, but if he's a high level operative at that,
Speaker 2: and he's a mover and a shaker in those fields,
Speaker 2: and he literally dreams this stuff up in order to
Speaker 2: smear people, in order to you know, turn the electorate
Speaker 2: against him and literally influence elections constantly by the fact
Speaker 2: that he's involved in who can get the most mud
Speaker 2: on him faster?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 2: Can you say the level of influence that he had
Speaker 2: there was probably pretty high because his name kept coming
Speaker 2: up with everybody, and yet nobody ever would bust him
Speaker 2: for literally doing something directly illegal. He would be on
Speaker 2: the fringes of stuff, just on the outside of illegal
Speaker 2: operations just on the you know, definitely on the side
Speaker 2: of morally precarious situations one way or another. And you know,
Speaker 2: his personal orientation being that he's a libertarian, believes in
Speaker 2: everybody's personal freedom, you know, supports lgd PTE, you know,
Speaker 2: supports all that kind of rights until it, you know,
Speaker 2: becomes the rainbow flag it does today. He used to
Speaker 2: be a gay rights supporter, all that stuff, and weirdly,
Speaker 2: he would mainly work for the most right wing people
Speaker 2: he could, but when it suited him, he'd go and
Speaker 2: work to try and get you know, if you needed
Speaker 2: to split a Democratic vote, he'd go and you know,
Speaker 2: get the socialist guy to get a little bit of
Speaker 2: traction in an election, turn around and get somebody knocked
Speaker 2: out of Congress by splitting the Democratic vote that way.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean. But what I'm saying is is those are
Speaker 4: everyday things.
Speaker 5: Those are everyday occurrences, and they've been going on in
Speaker 5: politics since politics. But I just don't see where he's
Speaker 5: become such a celeb because of it. Well because it
Speaker 5: because he hasn't had to pull any time, who knows,
Speaker 5: But I.
Speaker 2: Just if he's literally the guy, if he's literally the
Speaker 2: guy who's creating a lot of this stuff. I mean
Speaker 2: not finding it out and then just revealing it, but
Speaker 2: literally creating it, making sure it gets revealed, and directing
Speaker 2: political scandal after political scandal on mass like on a
Speaker 2: daily basis. This guy might be responsible for a lot
Speaker 2: of the static that's come out, a lot of the corruption,
Speaker 2: a lot of the weird. You know, why is this
Speaker 2: person getting money from China if he's responsible for that
Speaker 2: stuff as opposed to just being an operative who digs
Speaker 2: up dirt, you know, instead of doing opposition research, he's
Speaker 2: creating the opposition research, right, that's going on.
Speaker 5: I'm saying is there's been people doing that, especially since
Speaker 5: the sixties on when you had student group that were
Speaker 5: working for each party. I mean, this is I just
Speaker 5: don't understand how he's worked it into a celebrity status
Speaker 5: a bit that way.
Speaker 2: Well, but there were fifty guys who came up with
Speaker 2: the you know, with the personal computer concept, and there
Speaker 2: was one hundred guys who came up with the operating
Speaker 2: system concept, and only one of them gets to be
Speaker 2: built gates, and only one of them gets to be
Speaker 2: you know, the guys from Apple, Steve Jobs, whatever, because
Speaker 2: they are prolific and they do it better than everybody else,
Speaker 2: and maybe they do it one hundred times more than
Speaker 2: everybody else, right, So I think that's what it is,
Speaker 2: is that Roger Stone is like, look, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball players. Not all of them are
Speaker 2: the best home run hitters, but they're valuable people. And
Speaker 2: who do you celebrate. You celebrate the stars. This guy
Speaker 2: is the star of you know, what they called at
Speaker 2: one point muck raking and the manufacturing of you know,
Speaker 2: of scandal as well as you know, direction of scandal.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be the best at it, and tell
Speaker 2: you the truth, I think he is, because I mean
Speaker 2: he's got his fingers in one hundred things. You know,
Speaker 2: He's not one operative working for one party or working
Speaker 2: for one little group of people, or sticking with one candidate.
Speaker 2: This guy's you know, pretty much been all over the place.
Speaker 2: So well, you know, at a certain point, if he
Speaker 2: gets fifty people into Congress that might have not made
Speaker 2: it without his manipulations, it looks to me like you
Speaker 2: can you can actually, you know, make a case that
Speaker 2: he's fairly powerful as an operative, right and if he's
Speaker 2: the best of the best there you go, What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 17: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I still don't get it.
Speaker 1: I just don't see.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure that he's involved in a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff, but because there are a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: that's taking credit for him that he had nothing to
Speaker 5: do with, but nobody knows, so nobody can call him
Speaker 5: on I just I just don't understand the celebrity status
Speaker 5: of Roger Stone. I would think he'd be not shunned.
Speaker 5: But you know, who would want to have anything to
Speaker 5: do with it at this point? I wouldn't if I
Speaker 5: were running a campaign, I would. I mean, there's something
Speaker 5: I'm saying. There's guys that's been doing what he's doing.
Speaker 5: It's a lot longer than he's been doing it, and
Speaker 5: they're so good at it you don't even know they
Speaker 5: were involved. He seems to have turned it into a
Speaker 5: way to become a celebrity, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: Well, look, there were a lot better and better moneymakers
Speaker 2: than John Gotti as a gangster, right. There were a
Speaker 2: lot of guys who had higher body counts, who had
Speaker 2: ordered more people killed, who controlled larger mob families than
Speaker 2: John Gotti. Right, But you know who John Gotti was
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: maybe he is at the top of the influential list
Speaker 2: for the people that you know, again, he was not
Speaker 2: long ago in Donald Trump's camp, and after that he
Speaker 2: worked with a whole bunch of other people. He's done
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was just a loyalty from Trump
Speaker 2: that bought him the part and he got you know again.
Speaker 5: Oh, that was one of the things I did like
Speaker 5: about Trump when Trump ran the first time was this
Speaker 5: association with Roger Stone.
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, this is not between that and
Speaker 4: his pick for a spiritual advisor of Paula White.
Speaker 5: Between those two right there, I didn't want anything to
Speaker 5: do with Trump still got really yeah.
Speaker 2: But see the result though. See that's the thing is
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how dirty you feel about it. If the
Speaker 2: result is the result, then who cares?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 2: Did John Gotty get the job done? Did John gott
Speaker 2: he control his family? He sure did. He ended up
Speaker 2: going to prison eventually when he walked away a lot
Speaker 2: of times. And this is what made him a legend.
Speaker 2: So you know, here you go, right, So this guy
Speaker 2: is a legend because he is out there letting you
Speaker 2: know his name, and still operates and has operated now
Speaker 2: for what half a century as a political operative. If
Speaker 2: you go all the way back to working with Nixon, right,
Speaker 2: and Nixon he kind of had a minor role, I thought,
Speaker 2: but you know, over time you discover more and more stuff.
Speaker 2: There was a lot going on there, and the guy
Speaker 2: was not just working for Nixon. Okay, anyways, let's get
Speaker 2: to the callers and stuff before we kill all our time, right, sure, yeah, if.
Speaker 4: You just want to bring in Jimmy and Danny and
Speaker 4: let them, I'm sure Danny's got some questions.
Speaker 3: For Jimmy, Okay, So.
Speaker 2: You want me to grab Danny first and then and
Speaker 2: then let Jimmy on while Danny's talking, Yeah, i'd be
Speaker 2: all right. So Jimmy, you prepare and we'll bring Danny
Speaker 2: back on, and of course, anybody else that wants to
Speaker 2: call in, we will get you in before the end
Speaker 2: of the show. And Aaron Franz starts in about thirty
Speaker 2: minutes uh here on O'Kelly dot com radio with the
Speaker 2: age of transitions at ten pm Eastern, and then that'll
Speaker 2: be followed by Uncle at eleven pm Eastern. I think
Speaker 2: Aaron is still not taking calls on his show, but
Speaker 2: Uncle takes calls on his So stick around oateelly dot com.
Speaker 2: Plenty of call in radio left. So Danny, Uh, you've
Speaker 2: been listening to all this and then we're broken to
Speaker 2: Roger Stone and all that. But I'm gonna put Jimmy
Speaker 2: on with you, so you guys can just converse about this, uh,
Speaker 2: and only interrupt you if we get fresh call. So
Speaker 2: it's on you, man. What you got questions or you know,
Speaker 2: stuff you want to make a comment about.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got, I got, I got some comments and
Speaker 3: questions and thoughts. I'm sorry you had a sick EP.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Chuck that the public is stupid.
Speaker 3: And I remember now, Corrict if I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 3: remember reading a Bill O'Reilly book because my cousin really
Speaker 3: encouraged me to want to read it was killing MacArthur
Speaker 3: because I had read William Manchester's The American Chaser in
Speaker 3: the past. And maybe I'm ball.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, he wrote a bunch of those killing books. Me
Speaker 2: Pete listed him. But before that, you know, he wrote
Speaker 2: books about pretty much make America great again, bring it
Speaker 2: back to the old days like it was when I
Speaker 2: was a kid in Jersey was like four or five
Speaker 2: books before. I don't remember the names of these things,
Speaker 2: but they were super popular and they sold really well,
Speaker 2: and I own and probably four books. I know, I
Speaker 2: had one on audio that he read, and then I
Speaker 2: had a couple that I actually, you know, had the
Speaker 2: hardcover book and sat down and read. I actually read
Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly's books, and then unfortunately I read Killing Kennedy
Speaker 2: as well. But after that I was done. You know,
Speaker 2: we're killing Paton, and we're killing Jesus, and we're killing
Speaker 2: everybody you know in his series, but killing Kennedy I
Speaker 2: actually read. Anyways, I'm gonna put Jimmy on with you by,
Speaker 2: but go ahead and go go into your watergates. Hup, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me let me.
Speaker 3: Go to a couple of thoughts, and then then I
Speaker 3: would like to hear Jimmy's opinion on it.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: One thing about May Brussell, I believe she had a
Speaker 3: degree in Stanford University and philosophy, so she just she
Speaker 3: was taught how to think and not just what to think.
Speaker 3: So it was really interesting that clip that you shared.
Speaker 3: It said that I caught My interests was the Korean CIA,
Speaker 3: and I know as I'm listening to everything. A lot
Speaker 3: of this is going back to just always the same
Speaker 3: circle as Cold War politics, and I don't know. And
Speaker 3: you also talked about John Dean. I remember reading the
Speaker 3: book I think it was called Silent Coup, which also
Speaker 3: kind of emphasized that probably it had to do something
Speaker 3: to the prostitutionery and is the involvement of moding in it.
Speaker 3: And then Jefferson Morley came out with a book not
Speaker 3: too long ago called Scorpions Dance.
Speaker 4: Which was.
Speaker 3: Richard Helmes and Richard Nixon, the CIA and the presidency.
Speaker 3: But I kind of getting this, you know, Richard Nixon
Speaker 3: came out of that California, the Orange County. It was
Speaker 3: kind of a very anti communist John Birch Society type
Speaker 3: of mentality. So any comments that maybe I brought out
Speaker 3: that either here, Jimmy starts.
Speaker 2: Well, Jimmy's on with you, so good.
Speaker 10: Jimmy, Well, the one book you brought up was the
Speaker 10: one I couldn't remember the title of from nineteen ninety
Speaker 10: What can you remember? It's when I think by Lehn
Speaker 10: something or another.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Silent I remember I read it when it came out.
Speaker 3: It was a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Silent Coop The Removal of the Silent Coop The Removal
Speaker 2: of a President, which was published in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 2: by Lynn Colin Me and Robert Geitlin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was jeez, I forget.
Speaker 10: I don't know how come those names didn't roll off
Speaker 10: my tongue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their name means they're not really easy ones. And
Speaker 2: I had more le on about that Scorpions Dance book,
Speaker 2: by the way, But yeah, go ahead, Jimmy.
Speaker 10: As far as it was, Helm's also must him with Nickson?
Speaker 11: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 11: He might.
Speaker 10: I've always assumed so, but newer evidence suggests that I
Speaker 10: may have been long. Perhaps it wasn't the CIA, perhaps
Speaker 10: is more like the KGB.
Speaker 2: Well see, I would contend that even if it is
Speaker 2: CIA moles that are working for the KGB, at certain
Speaker 2: points they might have collaborated together with other CIA people
Speaker 2: on this particular operation. This may have nothing to do
Speaker 2: with him being a KGB mole, the one guy you're
Speaker 2: talking about, and could be a separate operation.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 2: Uh So I got an open mind about this.
Speaker 4: What do we have?
Speaker 2: I can only assuredly say, Jimmy and I and I
Speaker 2: say this with with the most conviction possible is that
Speaker 2: this was orchestrated by intelligence operatives who would definitely part
Speaker 2: of that world.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: And this was the thing that actually brings Nixon down.
Speaker 2: It's not that he was such a master criminal. It's
Speaker 2: not that he was so dirty. Uh, you know, was
Speaker 2: he was he completely clean? No, he was a politician
Speaker 2: at the highest levels in America. You don't get there
Speaker 2: being completely clean in my mind. So, but was he
Speaker 2: basically intentionally targeted by people in the intelligence community in business? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: that's in my mind. But you know, you guys could
Speaker 2: have a different opinion about it.
Speaker 11: Good Jimmy, can I.
Speaker 2: Goodny?
Speaker 3: I remember because my my father, he was a businessman
Speaker 3: and he was a conservative Republican Nixon. Nixon was was
Speaker 3: who my household was all four and I remember the
Speaker 3: water Gate carings. You know, I was pretty young. I
Speaker 3: watched enough until I wanted to go outside and play baseball.
Speaker 3: But I remember when he resigned. My father said he
Speaker 3: didn't excuse some of the actions, except that he said, well,
Speaker 3: the cover up was the problem, and he was obviously
Speaker 3: became apparentoly. But he says, once you reached so much power,
Speaker 3: there's only one way that that is is down. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting that after there was kind of a Daytani
Speaker 3: opened up with China and Russia, and then when Ford
Speaker 3: got in there, who was a weaker candidate. I remember
Speaker 3: that Daytante was it was kind of like starting up
Speaker 3: the call of war all of a sudden. But I
Speaker 3: thought it was very interesting with May Brussels, she was
Speaker 3: commenting about the Korean CIA, and I believe, you know,
Speaker 3: correctly from him. There was kind of a world anti
Speaker 3: Iconomist league. There was a lot of the there was
Speaker 3: a lot of money saw it as a threat economically,
Speaker 3: the expansion of communism. So I could see if there
Speaker 3: was warm and fuzzy relations that there would be some
Speaker 3: dirty tricks to because I think I don't I think
Speaker 3: Nixon's biggest problem is he kind of obstructed the justice
Speaker 3: and you know, you know, he made absurd comments like
Speaker 3: where it was like was it Robert Frost. He goes, well,
Speaker 3: when the president does something, that's not a crime, it's
Speaker 3: just it was. It was.
Speaker 11: It was a weird time.
Speaker 3: But I remember the reflection only in America that you
Speaker 3: can remove a president. There wouldn't be a buddy of
Speaker 3: rebevel or shape. I do remember those thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Frost the Frost Nixon interview is profoundly interesting.
Speaker 2: We have another caller. I'm going to bring Jimmy and
Speaker 2: Danny back on to continue the Watergate discussion, but I
Speaker 2: want to give another caller a chance to get on.
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Speaker 2: regular Joe. It is good to hear from you, brother, uh.
Speaker 2: And we heard from you earlier in the week. I
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I ran into a crazy problem where I had
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Speaker 18: It for nine years now.
Speaker 3: Can you believe that?
Speaker 2: Has it been that many?
Speaker 3: With you?
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that nine years.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 18: I started started messaging you and listening to your show
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think I was on AFR at
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Speaker 18: You, Yeah, yeah, I found you through listening to Freeman
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Speaker 2: There you go. So the Greek actually netted me one
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was that far back. You know,
Speaker 2: I've come to think of you as sort of a
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, man, I appreciate you. I thank you for
Speaker 2: calling in. I didn't didn't know who I was interrupting
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Speaker 2: want to add before we go back to the Watergate
Speaker 2: discussion between these.
Speaker 19: Two No, No, I'd rather just listen to those two
Speaker 19: go go back and forth on the Watergate discussion and I'll.
Speaker 10: Just bow out and be a listener as I began
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Speaker 2: Thank you, man. I appreciate you, regular Joe, everybody, and
Speaker 2: I would give you his Twitter handle, but I think
Speaker 2: he quit Twitter again recently. Yeah he did, and there
Speaker 2: you go. So not a social media guys, but he's
Speaker 2: been along for this ride now for nine years. Didn't
Speaker 2: realize that, but probably one of the longest lasting listeners
Speaker 2: actually nine years. Damn b Pete. When did you start
Speaker 2: listening to the show? Maybe I put Bpete to sleep?
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's see I will get Danny and
Speaker 2: Jimmy back on. So Jimmy, maybe you wanted to respond
Speaker 2: to what Danny was talking about? Oh Bpte, you were
Speaker 2: talking to mute button. Sorry man, But Jimmy, Jimmy, maybe
Speaker 2: you want to respond to Danny twenty sixteen. Oh cool,
Speaker 2: So that's eight years right there. You're just one year
Speaker 2: behind Joe anyways. Yeah, and you've been participating here for
Speaker 2: what at least six years?
Speaker 4: Right about that? I think you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyways, so Jimmy, Nathan something like that. So Jimmy,
Speaker 2: maybe you want to maybe you want to respond to Danny. Jimmy,
Speaker 2: because we got about sixteen more minutes left here in
Speaker 2: this hour before we have to turn it over to
Speaker 2: Aaron Franz. So yeah, go ahead, man.
Speaker 10: Well thanks to working there too. The nice penments and
Speaker 10: to Danny, I thought I responded to the last pins,
Speaker 10: we'll lose your question, Danny.
Speaker 3: I was just kind of some thoughts about you know,
Speaker 3: Kelway's comes back to the Cold War. You know, it
Speaker 3: made Brussels Fox You talked about the Korean CIA, and
Speaker 3: that always made me think about some of their activities.
Speaker 3: I think it was called the World Anti Communist League,
Speaker 3: and you know, now I was thinking.
Speaker 4: More about it.
Speaker 3: You know that they were heavily involved with the with
Speaker 3: the Moonies and you know Roger Stone and dirty Tricks
Speaker 3: and it could be KGV. I mean, Angleton's closest friend,
Speaker 3: wasn't it Phil Kilby, you know, and about it was
Speaker 3: there's definitely seems like it was a takedown. You know,
Speaker 3: it was a sloppy operation. You know, they're meant to
Speaker 3: get caught. So it just always seems to come back
Speaker 3: to dirty tricks and the Cold War, because I remember
Speaker 3: in the Ford administration, uh, all the day taught kind
Speaker 3: of more moving towards some fuzzy feelings with her, with her,
Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose it was it was changing, it
Speaker 3: was it was getting a little more it was falling
Speaker 3: out the warm feelings. So I appreciate the information to
Speaker 3: I find it's really interesting.
Speaker 11: Well acutely, I agree.
Speaker 10: I mean that that's what makes this in the JFK assassination,
Speaker 10: the complications to win. I mean, you were you were there,
Speaker 10: I was there, we were all there. And the war
Speaker 10: it's just so own emstasy.
Speaker 3: I mean it.
Speaker 10: Literally was half the world against the other half of
Speaker 10: the world.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. And who was that other guy that was constantly
Speaker 2: running for president? I can't believe in blanking on his
Speaker 2: name for many years.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 2: There was also kind of like really in the tick
Speaker 2: of things, but was always on the strange sort of
Speaker 2: outside of it. Uh, he was like a continuous president Laruche.
Speaker 2: That's it. The Laruche people were highly active at that
Speaker 2: time too, right, Yes, yes.
Speaker 3: They were involved in a lot of a lot of crazy.
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 3: Was the governor from Alabama, Wallace Sea Lings. You know,
Speaker 3: there there were some strange stuff going on. I remember
Speaker 3: it was also too. I think it was a Shirley Chisholm.
Speaker 3: She wrote a piece of freedom.
Speaker 13: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Well, Laruche, the Laruge people still exist as an organization.
Speaker 2: I mean a few years back and now it's many
Speaker 2: years back, but seems real recent to me, I got
Speaker 2: like accosted by Larouge people outside of a post office
Speaker 2: in New Jersey for a minute. Uh, and they were
Speaker 2: just all about trying to get me to buy a
Speaker 2: fifty dollar book about you know how Bara Black Obama
Speaker 2: is a complete, completely fabricated creation of the CIA and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And meanwhile Supportland and LaRouche. Uh. And
Speaker 2: it was just wild. They had like a card table
Speaker 2: set up outside of the post office in Forked River,
Speaker 2: New Jersey, which I found strange, you know, like there's
Speaker 2: an outreach program for you. But yeah, it was definitely
Speaker 2: a different time in the seventies. I mean talk about
Speaker 2: you know, you were just talking about Kamalaw, you know,
Speaker 2: not winning a primary in this and that. I mean
Speaker 2: I harken back always to Gerald Ford being the guy
Speaker 2: who wasn't elected president or vice president and wounds up
Speaker 2: becoming president, right, you know, It's like it happened, and
Speaker 2: it's weird. And meanwhile, I mean I just kind of
Speaker 2: dropped forward into the uh snitch for the FBI kind
Speaker 2: of you know category because of his time on the
Speaker 2: Warren Commission. You know, remember he was one of the
Speaker 2: seven commissioners.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but interestingly, I from what I've seen, did you
Speaker 12: see that did I posted about James Jesus Ankle tim
Speaker 12: being such a prolific uh.
Speaker 10: Source for the FBI? They literally were sitting saying that
Speaker 10: they might have to open up another wing.
Speaker 2: Hmm No, I don't think I saw that piece.
Speaker 10: Well, that's pre pertinent. I mean this is internal FBI documents.
Speaker 10: They said, he just constantly gives us so much information
Speaker 10: there's no point of even giving him a fake name.
Speaker 10: This and that he's an he's already our source.
Speaker 2: H yeah. No, Look, if you.
Speaker 10: Volumeless information, question was was it true or was it fake?
Speaker 11: Or was it what was he doing?
Speaker 2: See, there's the problem with Angleton because sometimes he fabricated
Speaker 2: things in order to create a response. Right, So, I
Speaker 2: mean this is the issue with counterintelligence. You know, sometimes
Speaker 2: you create stuff in order to elicit a response from
Speaker 2: an opponent. Even it's a weird world you get into,
Speaker 2: you know. I always like to point to the how
Speaker 2: did MK ultra get started? Well, realistically, they had rumors
Speaker 2: that turned out to not be true about the Soviet programs.
Speaker 2: Now there were Soviet programs, but they weren't the ones
Speaker 2: that they were being told about. And they create mk
Speaker 2: Ultra as a response to it, and that thing flowered
Speaker 2: into a rather fascinating thing of its own, didn't it.
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean, so one wonders sometimes if the counterintelligence people
Speaker 2: in some cases like Engleton and will wind up doing
Speaker 2: more harm than good when they're fabricating things. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of this on a very surface level.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the guy or anything, but
Speaker 2: but I'm also not one of these oh my god,
Speaker 2: he's part of like the Dermonica, you know whatever. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It's like legitimately what goes on in those strange lands
Speaker 2: where they create stuff and create fake people and fake
Speaker 2: institutions and fake operations and fake weapons and all that,
Speaker 2: and then our agencies, our government people are above boards.
Speaker 2: People respond and respond to something as if it is
Speaker 2: legitimate when it might have been fabricated by guess what
Speaker 2: your own people. I mean, it gets into a weird
Speaker 2: nexus of things, doesn't it.
Speaker 11: Jimmy, Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 10: Kind of petty Helms having the full n Senko that think.
Speaker 10: Clearly history is still that Helms's thought was correct. Of course,
Speaker 10: this guy is full of craft. The KGBS is all
Speaker 10: over Oswald like stink tampoop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got nothing out of them. That was
Speaker 2: the thing about Oswald. They got zero. They were like,
Speaker 2: you know, wow, they couldn't believe the level of nothing
Speaker 2: they got at Oswald from what I understand.
Speaker 10: Sure, but maybe their whole point was to get Marina here.
Speaker 11: Well there's something else.
Speaker 10: I have no idea because it wasn't investigated properly. There
Speaker 10: you go to figure stuff out there.
Speaker 2: And there's the key at the end of the day. Right,
Speaker 2: It's sad when you're getting more information from Ernst Tintovitz
Speaker 2: book about Lee Harvey Oswald than you can from the
Speaker 2: alleged investigations, right, I mean, do you get more legitimate
Speaker 2: information about this guy? I mean they had nothing on
Speaker 2: him in Russia? Right, or Minsk? Really he was actually
Speaker 2: in Belarus, Plarius however you want to say it. But
Speaker 2: I mean, truthfully, you get more out of Ernest Tittabitt's
Speaker 2: books than you do add any of the declassified stuff
Speaker 2: when it comes to that time period in Lee Harby
Speaker 2: Oswald's life. I mean, it's wild. You agree or disagree, Jimmy.
Speaker 10: I absolutely agree, and I appreciate Professor Hancock in particular's work.
Speaker 11: In the last year to.
Speaker 10: Really deepprogramming me of this idea that Lee Harb Oswald
Speaker 10: was somehow secretly John Berts Society hard wing Republican, which
Speaker 10: I just because everyone in the community all I said it,
Speaker 10: I just I don't know, I took it for granted.
Speaker 11: I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem is a lot of that stuff is more
Speaker 2: about these people's preconceived notions and prejudices than it is
Speaker 2: about what's actually in the evidence when they come to
Speaker 2: categoriz characterizing somebody. And there was a point in time
Speaker 2: when the majority of the assassination you know, research community
Speaker 2: was left wing. It's not like that now, and it
Speaker 2: hasn't been for a long time, but that stuff still
Speaker 2: resonates because people are still referring back to this old work.
Speaker 2: That's why I think it's great that Larry's you know,
Speaker 2: redoing it right, actually writing a whole new volume on Oswald,
Speaker 2: which should be out by the end of the year.
Speaker 2: I hope. You know, we're not sure if Skyhorse is
Speaker 2: going to take it or it's going to be a
Speaker 2: smaller publisher, but I've seen some of it and it's
Speaker 2: a hell of a refresh on Lee Harvey Oswald from
Speaker 2: a very sober point of view, and I think it
Speaker 2: would be very helpful if people will actually take it
Speaker 2: for what it is, which is very solid and well
Speaker 2: constructed assembly of facts and knowledge about this this character
Speaker 2: in history. And again he reassesses and reevaluates his own
Speaker 2: points of view even in this thing. And one thing
Speaker 2: you can say about Larry is that he's honest and
Speaker 2: responsible about the work he puts out. And I think
Speaker 2: this is going to be probably you know a lot
Speaker 2: of people are gonna hate him over it, but but
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a great book when
Speaker 2: he actually releases these Oswald puzzle pieces or the Oswald
Speaker 2: Puzzle whatever they're gonna call it. Uh, it's going to
Speaker 2: be a hell of a book. Man.
Speaker 10: You so appreciate him a lot, absolutely, just through his
Speaker 10: talks on this very show. You know, this is kind
Speaker 10: of what helped me I say, dog gone it.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 10: This may sound crazy, but I think Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 10: was actually pretty darned liberal.
Speaker 2: In some ways. In some ways, he was, you know,
Speaker 2: a mixed bag like most people that are saying really
Speaker 2: are where you don't get you know, absolutely lockstep with
Speaker 2: the prescribed whatever. You got a mixed bag here. He
Speaker 2: was a guy who was not happy with the way
Speaker 2: the system treated him. And if you think about his
Speaker 2: early experiences in life.
Speaker 10: Good I agree, I agree he was being used, but
Speaker 10: I think that he thought he was doing.
Speaker 11: Right things.
Speaker 10: But I think he absolutely was a leftist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. But but again from this guided point
Speaker 2: of view, you know, your own experience. I've tried to
Speaker 2: explain this on this very show often, is that your
Speaker 2: own experiences will shape how you view things. And you know,
Speaker 2: Oswald the way he came up, he had this mother
Speaker 2: that had some kind of personality disorder. He's you know,
Speaker 2: being sent to orphanages, and he's a truant, and you know,
Speaker 2: he's got a learning problem. I mean, he's got all
Speaker 2: kinds of things going on, and the system is not
Speaker 2: helping him, and the people around him are not helping him,
Speaker 2: and his family around him is not helping him. So
Speaker 2: what does he seek to do to be a contrarian?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 2: And was he legitimately like a Castro supporter. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not certain about that. But for a guy to
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, be chafing against the American system,
Speaker 2: the way it is. If his own experience has shaped
Speaker 2: the way he sees it, maybe it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense that he does that, you know, just saying
Speaker 2: it's a possibility. And again I'm not going for the
Speaker 2: whole he's a James Bond type character or he's the
Speaker 2: mastermind of anything, whether you know you want to say
Speaker 2: he's the assassin or he's.
Speaker 10: I think he's. I mean, everyone that pretty much agrees
Speaker 10: he was being used. I liked his mother's comment once
Speaker 10: she quoted him, when she says, well, what come back
Speaker 10: for and he said not even Marina knows that. I'm like,
Speaker 10: well that much. That pretty much sums up Oswald.
Speaker 2: Vagary, Yeah, vagary confusion. And quite honestly, he was twenty
Speaker 2: four when he died. So was he fully matured even
Speaker 2: in his ideas, his orientation, his person in general. No,
Speaker 2: he was twenty four years old when he got that
Speaker 2: gut shot in the basement there at the Dallas you know,
Speaker 2: public Safety building. So dude, if you're twenty four years old,
Speaker 2: you still got a lot to learn, and you might
Speaker 2: have a couple of chips on your shoulder. Maybe that
Speaker 2: was him, and maybe that's all it was, And somebody
Speaker 2: used him. Now we need to figure out why, you know,
Speaker 2: but as it goes, we should be honest about the
Speaker 2: character he was, as opposed to trying to build him
Speaker 2: into something or you know, writing fan fiction about lost romances. Anyways,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and close out Danny with you,
Speaker 2: give Jimmy James a final word, and then give Bpte
Speaker 2: a final word, and then quite frankly, we're going to
Speaker 2: be onto the age of transitions. So Danny, thanks for
Speaker 2: calling in, regular Joe, thanks for calling in. Jimmy James
Speaker 2: as always, thank you, but go ahead and drop a
Speaker 2: final word on us, and then I'll turn it over
Speaker 2: to be Pete to close out the show.
Speaker 10: Thanks for all the other callers. Peace out.
Speaker 2: There, you go, short and sweet from the one and
Speaker 2: only Jimmy James. And next week I'll give you an
Speaker 2: update on his fan club. So because I did make contact,
Speaker 2: but I haven't gotten resolutions on my questions, so i'll
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Speaker 2: do you think of this week's rather dynamic show?
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