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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>July twenty six, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that

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<v Speaker 2>thing we call a calendar. You know, I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>go live at the right time and couldn't do it

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<v Speaker 2>because I had to restart the computer and all that

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff. It's Friar's day, by the way. And uh

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<v Speaker 2>I even tried getting to Bepete, my co host for

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<v Speaker 2>the past few minutes. I can't reach him, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going on. I think I'm broadcasting, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I know it's being recorded one way or another,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know I got open phone lines, so I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you guys can give me proof of life here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what it is. I know I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>drop his video of the week in the chatroom Mittlechelli

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. Anyway. Three one nine five two seven five

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<v Speaker 2>zero one six. I am currently flying solo, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not good because I don't want to give my opinions

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<v Speaker 2>and points on Friday. This is for you, and how

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<v Speaker 2>do you do that? Three one nine five two seven

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<v Speaker 2>five zero one six. You call in and you'll let

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<v Speaker 2>me know what you think about. Anything doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about the fast food industry. In the past few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks we have talked about hypothetical situations courtrooms. Obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>political chicanery and madness and clown show has been part

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<v Speaker 2>of the equation and discussion and the revelation of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>As of late and a little bit before airtime, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I released the podcast from yesterday. I only did

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<v Speaker 2>two full live shows this week, uh, previous to this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Franz will be with us live by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>with the age of transitions to ten pm Eastern, so

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<v Speaker 2>that is promised this week, and Uncle will be live

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven pm Eastern. But up until then it's you

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<v Speaker 2>and me and maybe b Pete if we can find him.

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<v Speaker 2>Three one nine five two seven five zero one six.

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<v Speaker 2>That's three one nine five two seven five zero one six.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you can reach out to me Charles dot o'ceelly

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<v Speaker 2>on Skype anyway. Uh oh, if you do that, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>call you into the show. Don't call me because it

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<v Speaker 2>just disrupts things. Anyhow, the news of the week, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what else is new? There's always got to

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<v Speaker 2>be a shocker. I mean, how are they going to

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<v Speaker 2>even maintain interest? Is everybody going to fall asleep by

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<v Speaker 2>the time November comes and goes. Anybody thinking about Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>in July? Uh oh, that might be be Pete making

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of noise and music and stuff. What's up, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just looked at my phone and it's and I've

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<v Speaker 4>pulled up the Skype and it said showing the conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought, oh, you don't see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I rang you three four times.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, i'll tell you the skite here reading the room

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<v Speaker 5>and listening to Steve Winwood traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Well I was getting you know, I called you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look back there, you'll see I called you.

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<v Speaker 5>And uh, this is the second week in a row

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<v Speaker 5>that the normal tone that doesn't go off.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, otherwise i'd have picked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, there's been a whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Reset thesall where you had to reset the tablet. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not in the regular room because right, well feedback,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in the chat tango room, so there's no audio.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, but here's the thing. There's been weird stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going on with me trying to call people and message

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<v Speaker 2>people and all kinds of crap this week. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's happening. Somebody told me that they're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting my messages on X you know, the the Twitter platform,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, I go to X, it tells me,

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<v Speaker 2>getting a message from me. And uh. The one guy

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<v Speaker 2>I had on Musician last night is telling me the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. He's like, I get the notification, I go

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<v Speaker 2>to the messenger and there's no message, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sending you messages. He's like, yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I had a guy trying to signed into his

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<v Speaker 2>Skype and they kicked him off of his Skype and

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<v Speaker 2>tried to make him, you know, prove who he is again.

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<v Speaker 2>And then other people are telling me you didn't call me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I called you on Skype. I've been calling

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<v Speaker 5>Well, this is the second week in a row that

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<v Speaker 5>the normal ring tone has not gone off for Skype.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I was sitting there reading the room and

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<v Speaker 5>I switched over to YouTube. I was getting ready to

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<v Speaker 5>cut it off. I picked up my phone because it

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<v Speaker 5>was on the charger. I said, well, shit, something something.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I checked the volume volumes up on my phone,

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<v Speaker 4>I should have heard.

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<v Speaker 3>The ring tone.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I looked at it, the little green light

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<v Speaker 4>there next to your name said join call.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, but the reason why is because I added

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<v Speaker 2>you to a call and called you. That's why you

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<v Speaker 2>can join in. Because it told me you were unavailable.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, Okay, they should have had a green dot

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<v Speaker 5>next to it on god long on about seven thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, it said you were unavailable. I've been calling you

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<v Speaker 2>since about like, I was less than a minute late

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<v Speaker 2>getting started. I wanted to be and then I'm playing

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<v Speaker 2>a song going where's me, Pete? What's going on? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said to hell with then I went live.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I still would have worked the tone because

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<v Speaker 5>the phone's right here next to my computer.

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<v Speaker 3>So even though I had to, I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Listening to YouTube. I would if I always hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm usually listening to the YouTube, Yeah, because I can't

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<v Speaker 4>hear from and chat tango. So that's till you call.

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<v Speaker 4>I figure out, Okay, we're seven minutes late. We're parking

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<v Speaker 4>the course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, it wouldn't be unusual either, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get you on time. Hey, look we got

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<v Speaker 2>a caller, let's take him. And then I'll do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little out of order this week now, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll check in and get your your week review as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as I get through with the first caller. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get him on the line first. Anyway, you're live, and

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<v Speaker 2>what's on your mind this week?

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<v Speaker 3>This is Danny here in northern California. Since there was

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<v Speaker 3>nothing going on politics. I heard Jimmy James talk about

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<v Speaker 3>he had some Watergate information. I'm curious what he had

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<v Speaker 3>to say when he comes on and I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 3>put ball season.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're ready for football season? Well, I know, bet Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready for football season?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm ready for NFL, not this summer sandlot league crap

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<v Speaker 5>they've got on the XFL or whatever the hell it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't USFL?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it that the rebooted USFL? Is that what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is it the same teams they had in

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties, be Pete remember that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, no, there's some of them, but there's some different.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, there's a lot more franchises now, so it's

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you're watching third stringers for stringers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and Donald Trump doesn't own a team this time,

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<v Speaker 2>not yet anyway. Now, Uh, he was the part owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the Jersey Generals. In case people forgot years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of a lot of celebrities that have

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<v Speaker 5>a partial ownership in.

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<v Speaker 4>A sports club somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's just a method that they use for diversifying

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<v Speaker 5>their money and as they have to, they can always

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<v Speaker 5>you know, ride it off as a loss.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but what major league I mean, unless you're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, unless you're the w NBA, what you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what sports franchise is going to be a loss? Really? Right?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I mean if you look at all of baseball,

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<v Speaker 5>because you've got rookie.

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<v Speaker 4>League, you got farm leagues, rookie leagues, uh, single, double,

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<v Speaker 5>And you know every team has got about six or

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<v Speaker 5>seven farm teams, so every major league team. So you

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<v Speaker 5>look at baseball, Mason Wide, the Statler Brothers, Dolly Parton

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of people in Nashville have got parceal

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<v Speaker 5>ownership of of teams. But it started, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 5>what well. One of the biggest owners was Francis Crockett,

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<v Speaker 5>who was Jim Crockett from wrestling fame.

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<v Speaker 4>His daughter Oh no kidding, he had yes.

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<v Speaker 5>She had ownership in like seven or eight different teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, Jim Crockett was major. You know, back when

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<v Speaker 2>there was more than one wrestling corporation. He was pretty big.

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<v Speaker 2>He owned the whole serious territory. I'm pretty sure that

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<v Speaker 2>was his. Yeah, I mean he owned the stuff. Crockett

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<v Speaker 2>Promotions controlled I think the Southeast for a long time,

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<v Speaker 5>Left the Kingston ball team, I went to Charlotte and

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<v Speaker 5>I was selling tickets during the off season for them

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<v Speaker 5>and ran into a bunch of wrestlers.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh you know would help out on the field crew

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<v Speaker 5>in that, but you know it was kind of neat.

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<v Speaker 4>She would. Uh this was the.

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<v Speaker 5>Old Charlotte Coliseum where they used to film their matches.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, I know they had definitely wrestling matches

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<v Speaker 2>out of Charlotte. I remember Nature Boy Rick Flair talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Anyways, So Danny, let me get a hint

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<v Speaker 2>about you. Your your You're anxious for NFL, but you

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<v Speaker 2>got a team.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Jimmy James will talk football with you too

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<v Speaker 2>if you give him a chance. Uh, you got you

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<v Speaker 2>got a team in mind. Are you at a California guy,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're close to it? What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, always. I started out as as a as

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<v Speaker 7>And then uh, I wasn't happy as they moved to

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<v Speaker 7>LA and they built a big fan base in LA.

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<v Speaker 7>And I remember talking to the guy when they moved

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<v Speaker 7>backed up in northern California who was all pissed off

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<v Speaker 7>at Al Davis and they go, well, how do you

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<v Speaker 7>think I feel now they're in Vegas? Yeah, and I've

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<v Speaker 7>been to the play at the.

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<v Speaker 4>Fly Alfato and team back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, OK, well, see I remember. Look, I love the

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<v Speaker 2>Raiders along with and I was also a Jets fan

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<v Speaker 2>franchises to follow. But I was a Jets fan in

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<v Speaker 2>New York and also loved the Raiders because they were nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just, you know, real nasty players. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like the Raiders in football and the Flyers in hockey

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<v Speaker 2>were like exactly the guys that didn't even care about

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<v Speaker 2>playing the game half the time. They were just looking

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<v Speaker 2>the game the opponent was so battered they would lose. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was I used to you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Rangers used to have one or two bullies, but

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<v Speaker 2>but but the Flyers had a whole bench full of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Raiders were like that too. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>into eternity with his voice and everything. And John Madden,

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<v Speaker 2>who used to, like I say, had one of the dirtiest,

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<v Speaker 4>They were on top of the game. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>And they were on top of it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it because it was just it was hardcore.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, every team had a rivalry, but Oakland took it

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't matter who they were playing.

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<v Speaker 5>You saw Oakland at their bass factor in Madden's time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I used to, you know, and again I

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<v Speaker 8>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, I played for a team that that was in

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I was part of a team in West

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<v Speaker 2>Long Branch today they were called the Whales, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were outfitted like the Dolphins. I hated that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I like the Steelers colors, you know, the black

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<v Speaker 2>and gold and white depending on whether we were playing

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<v Speaker 2>at home or away. But uh, yeah, and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a nasty player. I was all about how

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<v Speaker 2>many different colors of paint can I get on my helmet? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>As a defensive player, right, and I would I would

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<v Speaker 2>literally take the paint off the other kids helmets by

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you weren't supposed to be banging heads like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people would say that's why I am the way

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<v Speaker 2>I am today, But not true. Not true. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>that or the boxing, I assure you. Anyways, Danny, so

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<v Speaker 2>you used to like the Raiders, but what about now?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I still like the Raiders and they brought me

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<v Speaker 3>some of my useful high moments of football. They I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I in the seventies the Super Bowl was the

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<v Speaker 3>Steelers and the Raiders for the SC Championship game, and

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<v Speaker 3>I had my heart broken with what they called the

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<v Speaker 3>Immaculate Reception, and I thought they were going to Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>They were beating the Steelers seven to six, and that

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<v Speaker 3>ball bounced off Jack Tatum hit I think he hit

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<v Speaker 3>Harris's hands and he rand in an end zone. It

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<v Speaker 3>was that was paint. That was my first real tainful experience. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that was Forner and just did shock and h and Jack.

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<v Speaker 3>I read Jack Caden's biography It's called they Call Me

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<v Speaker 3>the Assassin, and he hated Franco Harris. I will not

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<v Speaker 3>call you repeat the names and called Franco Harris and

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<v Speaker 3>he said Franco Harris was walking to the bench and

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<v Speaker 3>it just so happened. It selling his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got a question for both of you

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<v Speaker 2>is it's a real strange one because you're bringing up

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<v Speaker 2>the Steelers and I remember the Steel Curtain obviously, Again,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're thinking about me being born in seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>the Steelers were coming off of four Super Bowl victories,

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<v Speaker 2>which was an amazing thing at the time. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know today you get Terry Bradshaw. I think he's still

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<v Speaker 2>doing announcing stuff, right, I know he does commercials. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at that time when I was a kid though,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember exactly when this happened, but me

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<v Speaker 2>and Joe Green becomes an icon with Coca Cola, right

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<v Speaker 2>because of this whole weird commercial where he throws the

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<v Speaker 2>kid at Jersey. Is he for because he took his

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<v Speaker 2>coke or something like that? And I have a question

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<v Speaker 2>about that. When the hell did mean Joe Green become

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<v Speaker 2>a celebrity? Uh that sort of surpassed everybody, including Bradshaw

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. When did that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>That commercial?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean was it that commercial that did it? Or

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<v Speaker 2>did he get that commercial? I mean, what what what

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<v Speaker 5>He was good, he was an excellent player, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>he had high stats, but they picked him for that

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it changed you think about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean, Joe Green, you know, kid offers him the coke

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<v Speaker 5>he's walking away, hey kid, and he throws him the jersey.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's iconic.

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<v Speaker 2>M because he's he's supposed to be like a nasty

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<v Speaker 2>hardcore player and he's being a nice guy to the kid.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks me and Joe Lymph.

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<v Speaker 5>See he's limphant when he when he's walking down the

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<v Speaker 5>hall right and the kid stands on his coke.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it just it changed the whole persona thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what he was. Always an excellent player.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a big dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Agreed, agreed, agreed. I mean I was no Steelers fans,

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<v Speaker 3>but I respected him their great Yeah, I started out

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<v Speaker 3>professional as a hope. That my first love with any

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<v Speaker 3>with any football team I was four years old. That

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<v Speaker 3>happens to be Notre Dame. I'm a big, huge Notre

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<v Speaker 3>Dame fighting Irish fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so with the college ball too. You know the

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<v Speaker 2>other celebrity from that time period which was amazing to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have no idea how he became a celebrities.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like a big football historian. Baseball. I know

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<v Speaker 2>some history, but football not so much. It's weird because

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<v Speaker 2>the other guy was big was Bubba Smith. And the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why is because he was in uh he was

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<v Speaker 2>in uh what was it smoking the Bandit movie? I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and he tackles a car. I think that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then he gets into the Police Academy

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<v Speaker 2>movies and Bubba Smith's like, you know, like a weird

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<v Speaker 10>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course OJ gets in on the naked

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<v Speaker 2>gun thing a few years later, right. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember how Bubba Smith became a celebrity. He

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<v Speaker 2>just was there, you know, along with me and Joe Green.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, I didn't realize that coke commercial

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<v Speaker 2>is what made mean Joe the celebrity. But he was

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<v Speaker 2>always a good player, but Bubbas was Bubba Smith a

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<v Speaker 2>good player. I don't even remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Him playing as He's another one that was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, see these are guys I didn't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just starting to watch football, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Jets were still crying about Joe Namath, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by Sady nine.

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<v Speaker 5>Bubba Smith was probably one of the first guys to

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<v Speaker 5>pull the swim moves. You know, where you'll reach, you'll

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<v Speaker 5>spin and you'll reach over and basically break.

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<v Speaker 4>Through the line with your arm to get through. He was.

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<v Speaker 5>He was good at the swim move. So it just

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<v Speaker 5>opened up a hole. I mean he was in the backfield.

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<v Speaker 3>In no time.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay, So he was that kind of guy. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like one of those like really fight it out

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<v Speaker 2>really well and uses his whole size advantage and all

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh hell yeah, I throw you all over the field

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<v Speaker 3>He picked me up and tossed me like a door.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. All right, excellent. I you know, I I love

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<v Speaker 2>that though. I mean, I just remember these guys as

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<v Speaker 2>the celebrity again. You know, I remember, like I never

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<v Speaker 2>saw oj play either. Really.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you had the steel curtain, you had to

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<v Speaker 5>flying turple people leaders in Minnesota, you had you know,

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<v Speaker 5>that's back when.

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<v Speaker 4>But this was playing.

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<v Speaker 5>That was that was football at its best. Quarterbacks quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 5>are too protective now. These guys they used to take

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<v Speaker 5>hits that most quarterbacks couldn't take.

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<v Speaker 4>Today they're not conditioned for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Like I'll never forget that that night that

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<v Speaker 2>Joe th Eisman got his leg busted. So that was yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>Once.

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<v Speaker 5>Taylor Man once said, I almost got sick when I

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<v Speaker 5>saw the replay.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, holy corap. That was Taylor said he almost

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<v Speaker 4>got sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well man, well lt was kind of sick in

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<v Speaker 5>Uh but you know from the sound of it, he said.

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<v Speaker 5>The sound is what he remembers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm sure it was something that they were

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<v Speaker 2>an iconic moment in football.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people that saw that saw a game when

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<v Speaker 4>the game was at its best. That was a damn

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<v Speaker 4>good game between the Giants and Redskins.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. But uh, you know again, I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching stuff in New York and I remember it's at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain point the Jets had to play in uh

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<v Speaker 2>weird time too. There was all kinds of things going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Jets would always you know, how are they

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<v Speaker 2>going to blow it this year? It was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Jet span and you're a Mets fan too,

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<v Speaker 2>so you enjoyed disappointments too.

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<v Speaker 4>That I said. I got a question for our guests.

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<v Speaker 5>Did did Las Vegas also get their hockey team from California.

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<v Speaker 3>Or was that a new franchise. I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>Knights was a new franchise. But I oh, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>home to the Stanhok series with my son and grandson

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<v Speaker 3>place to watch a football game. I was pretty impressed

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<v Speaker 3>with the stadium there in Vegas. Oh would like to

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<v Speaker 3>check it out. It looks I mean it's the temperatures perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>the views perfect. Where you go up to get your food,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they had they were doing like these carved

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<v Speaker 3>roast bean sandwiches. There's a pizza place in North Beach,

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco. It's Tony Gat. Can't pronounce his name, but

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<v Speaker 3>I've had his pizza in San Francisco, which is considered

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<v Speaker 3>some of the best pizza around. It's delicious. So they

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the guy who's way to Dandy? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>the guy in San Francisco who's got an absurdly long

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<v Speaker 2>Italian name that's like like eighteen meters long. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you something weird. I was told that, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember his name either, but I was told that somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>like we have cousins in common, this guy. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why that did that. Just yeah, I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like this horrendous Italian name.

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<v Speaker 3>I even try to pronounce it. I don't hear his

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<v Speaker 3>and you get it by the slice. My son and

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<v Speaker 3>daughter in law when they moved back from LA to

427
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<v Speaker 3>northern California, they went to work in the techni industry

428
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<v Speaker 3>and they lived in Northeast and I would drop when

429
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<v Speaker 3>their first child was born, I would drop my wife

430
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<v Speaker 3>there on a Sunday night. We'd go there late Sunday

431
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<v Speaker 3>afternoon and you could just smell the food. It's the

432
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<v Speaker 3>Italian district there in San Francisco. Was an there in

433
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<v Speaker 3>North Beach to go to work. Cool, Yeah exactly.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never been to San Francisco. But he's got

435
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<v Speaker 2>some ridiculous name like g g Upon Luca, Momoney, gim Monaco,

436
00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:36.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, like yeah, it's that ridiculous, Like, yeah, you're

437
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<v Speaker 2>better off because I don't know anybody who can pronounce

438
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<v Speaker 2>that name. Uh you know, so, yeah, somebody spelled it

439
00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.640
<v Speaker 2>out for me and I said, God, that's ridiculous. What happened?

440
00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:47.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, did they like, you know, did they like

441
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<v Speaker 2>put two people's paperwork together at Ellis Island or what?

442
00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:53.440
<v Speaker 2>And uh? And they were like, no, that's actually a name.

443
00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:56.319
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, come on, well, yeah, well believe

444
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<v Speaker 2>it or not, he's actually our you know, third cousin

445
00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:02.000
<v Speaker 2>over here from I'm like, come on, really, of course,

446
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<v Speaker 2>you know. Anyways, I'm gonna put you on hold, man

447
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<v Speaker 2>because we got other callers, but I'll come back around

448
00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:11.440
<v Speaker 2>to you, Danny, And uh, I think we have Jimmy

449
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<v Speaker 2>James on the line, and then I'm gonna get into

450
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<v Speaker 2>beat Petez week real quick before we wind up taking

451
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<v Speaker 2>a break, because time is flying already on a Friday night,

452
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and you can join us three one nine, five two

453
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<v Speaker 2>seven five zero one six. You never know. Could be

454
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:28.119
<v Speaker 2>football and pizza on the discussion, could be Watergate, could

455
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<v Speaker 2>be the latest political debacle. Uh. You know who's demented?

456
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<v Speaker 2>Who's not? Do we have any more demented candidates out there?

457
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<v Speaker 2>Is there anybody else some you know, brave damage or

458
00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.440
<v Speaker 2>old age beating them up? Is there some elder abuse

459
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.039
<v Speaker 2>we can talk about? Is there something crazy going on.

460
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I didn't look today. Uh anyway, this week,

461
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.759
<v Speaker 2>what secret service head resigned, et cetera, et cetera. But

462
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<v Speaker 2>who knows. It's not about what I think, It's about

463
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<v Speaker 2>what you think. And I think we got Jimmy James

464
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<v Speaker 2>on the line. Jimmy, is that you?

465
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<v Speaker 11>Yep?

466
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<v Speaker 10>And Danny's in luck because for weeks saw I've been

467
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<v Speaker 10>doing this wallowing and.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Watergate wallowing in Watergate. Okay, so a couple of things.

469
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<v Speaker 2>You sent me a clip, well, you sent me not

470
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<v Speaker 2>a clip, but he sent me a marker to tell

471
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<v Speaker 2>me where to look on a particular show. And I

472
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<v Speaker 2>went and I found it on YouTube so that we

473
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<v Speaker 2>could play it. But I was wondering what the importance

474
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<v Speaker 2>of that clip was. I wanted to talk to you

475
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<v Speaker 2>about it. Is it an important clip or am I

476
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<v Speaker 2>just does it mean anything?

477
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<v Speaker 3>There is no importance.

478
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<v Speaker 10>There is no importance to it other than it was

479
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<v Speaker 10>the first time that the young Roger Stone perhaps got

480
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<v Speaker 10>a shout out from alternative media.

481
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<v Speaker 2>And that's all I'm yeah. Nineteen seventy seven, right, Jimmy.

482
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<v Speaker 2>It was May Brussel, Yeah, yep.

483
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<v Speaker 10>She pretty much summed up there then.

484
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<v Speaker 11>Need to.

485
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<v Speaker 10>But now that's not really important.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, she used to, But you know what's

487
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<v Speaker 2>ad I know what's wild about May. Hold on a second, Jimmy.

488
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<v Speaker 2>You know what's wild about May is a lot of

489
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 2>times she would go off on tangents and she saw

490
00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Nazis under every bed. But outside of that, she would,

491
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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes sum up like six months worth of

492
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<v Speaker 2>news stories in about five sentences and just blow it

493
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<v Speaker 2>out where it's like you never heard of this guy,

494
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<v Speaker 2>this is who he is, this is what he did,

495
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>this is why he's important, and this is what's going

496
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<v Speaker 2>on behind the scenes next, and she would just boom,

497
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<v Speaker 2>twenty seconds, be done with the guy. And I don't

498
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<v Speaker 2>hear anybody an alternative media who can do that. You know,

499
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<v Speaker 2>I take twenty minutes to like, you know, really dress

500
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<v Speaker 2>somebody down in old media circles, and I go on rants,

501
00:24:55.160 --> 00:25:00.160
<v Speaker 2>which are you know, melodics sometimes and occasionally poetic. But

502
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 2>she used to just some stuff up really concisely, bang

503
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 2>bang bang bang bang. And she wasn't talking fast, but

504
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 2>she was at a good pace and it didn't sound stressed,

505
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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't you know, with any wild annunciation. It

506
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>was just sort of like, and then this guy did this,

507
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 2>and then he went over to here, and then this happened,

508
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and then this is a real thing that's actually going on,

509
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and the whole purpose of it is to destroy this

510
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:28.279
<v Speaker 2>guy moving on, you know, like next. You know, she

511
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<v Speaker 2>didn't say next or anything, but she would just seamlessly,

512
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<v Speaker 2>you know, go from Nixon to Manson to Roger Stone

513
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<v Speaker 2>to back around to Bobby Kennedy, something new in the

514
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<v Speaker 2>in the JFK case, and then a couple of things

515
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>going on in the prison system. And oh yeah, that

516
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 2>reminds me about the old story that everybody didn't pay

517
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<v Speaker 2>attention to from last year about Manson, and now the

518
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>mainstream is actually admitting it happened. And boom boom, bom, boom,

519
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.279
<v Speaker 2>boom boom. And she would do this for forty five minutes.

520
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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you that's pretty damned amazing. Even today

521
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.880
<v Speaker 2>with a you know, a million people with their podcast,

522
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>you don't find people who can vary concisely and precisely,

523
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, consolidate all that information into a couple of sentences.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, anyways, I found that amazing. And I

525
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 2>listened to that clip and I was like, Yeah, she

526
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 2>summed up everything real fast, told you who you know,

527
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 2>she absolutely believed was actually undermining Nixon, which is not

528
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<v Speaker 2>the typical story that you would find everywhere. Uh. And

529
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<v Speaker 2>I'm more on her side than I am on the

530
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<v Speaker 2>typical story side, I got to tell you. But it's

531
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<v Speaker 2>amazing what she would do on that show. So I'm

532
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<v Speaker 2>glad you sent me that though, Jimmy. Although I come

533
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.759
<v Speaker 2>to find out that the you know, the reason why

534
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the may Brussel Research Library is no longer communicating with

535
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 2>me is because they got five oh one c three

536
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 2>backing from a nonprofit organization, uh that I find interesting,

537
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>the Romero Institute. And now you know, even the YouTube

538
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>channel doesn't have the may Brussel Project name on it anymore.

539
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, they just stopped talking to me.

540
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe the Romero Institute doesn't agree with me.

541
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Is it because of their relation to the Christian Institute? Possibly? Anyway,

542
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.079
<v Speaker 2>nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about, Jimmy, Sorry,

543
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>what is on your mind with Watergate? What is of

544
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>importance this week?

545
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:29.000
<v Speaker 10>Well, I've been sticking to my continual deep dive in

546
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 10>the Watergate, and yeah, of course I later remembered Hogan's allegations,

547
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 10>and he'll be interested that. No one that I've been

548
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:51.119
<v Speaker 10>reading or listening to disputes his allegations. In fact, most

549
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:56.160
<v Speaker 10>of them build on it. So I've been reminded again

550
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 10>of Hogan's work, and.

551
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 11>I was Blagden was his name.

552
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 10>But yeah, nineteen ninety book.

553
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:10.519
<v Speaker 11>You're talking about older works.

554
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're talking about Jim Hogan. You're talking about Jim

555
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Hogan right.

556
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 10>From the seventies, and then in nineteen ninety there was

557
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:27.839
<v Speaker 10>another book kind of old now, but what's that guy's name? Well, anyways,

558
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 10>some of the newer.

559
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Information Anthony Sommers. Are you talking about the Anthony Summers book.

560
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 10>Nah, it's after that. It came out about nineteen ninety.

561
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 11>His names like.

562
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.160
<v Speaker 10>Hispanic that I recall.

563
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, all right, well, let me see what I can

564
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 2>get here.

565
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 10>It doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter because all these

566
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 10>people pretty much can see to these two people's points.

567
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 10>They pretty much And the first person, of course I

568
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 10>spoke about before. His name was Jeff Shepard, and he

569
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 10>was one of Nixon's attorneys and he did his best series,

570
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 10>in my opinion, is if you could find it, if

571
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 10>you look for him. He did a college course for

572
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 10>Temple University and he's got like thirteen episodes, fourteen episodes there,

573
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 10>and they're very good.

574
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<v Speaker 2>Now, I wonder if Joan Mellen ran out. I wonder

575
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>if Joan Mellon ran into him because she was a

576
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, I wonder if Joan Mellon ran into him

577
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>because she was a professor for many years at Temple University.

578
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 2>And after Yeah, and the Hogan book that you're talking about,

579
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a secret Agenda, and that's by Jim Hogan. It was

580
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 2>released in nineteen eighty four. According to what I read here,

581
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and I'll put the link in the chat room on

582
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Chlly dot com for everybody. If you haven't read this

583
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 2>or you're not where Jim Hogan's work, Secret Agenda, I

584
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>gotta tell you to me, it still stands quite well,

585
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.839
<v Speaker 2>even forty years later. You know, it's not perfect, but

586
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>his main ideas absolutely stand up to scrutiny in my

587
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>mind in that book.

588
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 11>Anyway, go ahead, m Sorry, this gets expanded on.

589
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 10>Not only does this guy that's a lawyer in college

590
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 10>instructor he says, basically, someone brings up the Jim Hogan book.

591
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<v Speaker 10>He says, I like Jim Hogan, and I'm actually fond

592
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<v Speaker 10>of his ideas, but due to this being a college course,

593
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<v Speaker 10>if you want to discuss that, it'll have to be

594
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<v Speaker 10>after the class, because the main trust of his classes

595
00:30:55.240 --> 00:31:00.119
<v Speaker 10>was an insider's view, because he was literally there, and

596
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 10>he's just got all kinds of interesting things, and he

597
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 10>focuses on basically, his focuses.

598
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 11>Were on how Nixon was.

599
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 10>Cheated because the prosecution, the judge, and the Congress and

600
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 10>all sorts of people were working together, which is illegal

601
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 10>and legal matters ex partey, they can't be doing that,

602
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 10>and he covers all that beautifully. So then I found

603
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 10>another guy's work named John O'Connor. Now his work is

604
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 10>called well, let's see the Mysteries of water Gate. Now

605
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 10>he again he's got no problem with Cogan's work. And

606
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.599
<v Speaker 10>actually that guy in the nineteen nineties expanded it. The

607
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 10>idea that there was a so called prostitution ring Ryan

608
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.559
<v Speaker 10>and the idea that John Dean was actually trying to

609
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 10>get information about his wife removed. That's pretty much the

610
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 10>allegations of the earlier researchers I took.

611
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one of them. John O'Connor is an interesting guy.

612
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I am friendly with a John O'Connor.

613
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<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing is, I'm not sure if this

614
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>guy is the author of that book or not the

615
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>John O'Connor that i'm friendly with weirdly, but anyway, go ahead.

616
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<v Speaker 11>Well, this guy's he's.

617
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 10>Got a very interesting podcast and book about it.

618
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>And o connor has a pocket boy.

619
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<v Speaker 11>He just.

620
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<v Speaker 2>Huh, when did O'Connor start a podcast?

621
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<v Speaker 10>I don't know. Well, this is is actually from four

622
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 10>years ago. There is a limited podcast and as pre

623
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<v Speaker 10>much the summation of his book after Jeff Shepard's Temple series,

624
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<v Speaker 10>I would say go through this and you'll find out

625
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 10>such interesting things as Michael Stevens, well, who's he Well,

626
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 10>he was the bugs manufacturer fabricator that James McCrory picked

627
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 10>to make the bugs. You'll also find out that the

628
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 10>bugs that were installed were satellite bugs, which creep and

629
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<v Speaker 10>no one in the White House would have even had

630
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<v Speaker 10>the equipment to listen in to. You would have needed

631
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<v Speaker 10>a satellite for that. You'll also find out that mister

632
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 10>McCord was mysteriously bailed out by out of jail by

633
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 10>a man named Lee Pennington, and nobody knows who this

634
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<v Speaker 10>guy is the CIA told everyone to take a fly

635
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 10>in height. He says, don't worry about who he is, don't.

636
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 11>Bring him up again.

637
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 10>So they didn't, and of course the defense knew nothing

638
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 10>about any of this.

639
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, what's funny, is, Jimmy, what's funny is how many

640
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.199
<v Speaker 2>of these dead end guys are involved in the Watergate affair.

641
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>There's a bunch of people whose identities lead to nowhere,

642
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't there?

643
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Right?

644
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 10>Well, here you go. There actually was a sixth Burglar

645
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.159
<v Speaker 10>and his name was Lou Russell. Now there's some crazy

646
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 10>keeping guy running out there claiming his dad was the

647
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 10>sixth Burglar. Well, obviously not, or else he would have

648
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 10>known about Lou Russell, the actual sixth Burglar.

649
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:04.960
<v Speaker 12>What did he do?

650
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 10>Well, he was listening to the taps. What did he

651
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:12.079
<v Speaker 10>say that he kept cheering under oak And this was

652
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 10>mentioned in Jim Hogan's books. He said, well, mostly I

653
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 10>kept hearing a bunch of what sounded like perverted private talk.

654
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 10>We went played the committee. Tod never mention Lou Russell,

655
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 10>never mentioned Michael Stevens, never mentioned this weird man Pennington,

656
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:39.519
<v Speaker 10>all of whom were very much connected to James McCord.

657
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 10>Mostly and his mollan and associates. And yes, they were

658
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 10>all CIA connected, but I think in this case.

659
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 11>It's more.

660
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.039
<v Speaker 10>Short reasons that we now know based on the work

661
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 10>of doctor John Newman. Of course, James from Accord was

662
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 10>a Soviet mold. Not only was he bungling the Burgurly burg.

663
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 11>Girl whatever burglary.

664
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 10>Yes, he actually brought his own man with him that

665
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 10>none of the other burglars knew about why he kept

666
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 10>leaving the burger.

667
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the other question, Jimmy, here's the other question. Yeah,

668
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I have another one of these mystery man questions for

669
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.039
<v Speaker 2>you though, because I don't remember if it was in

670
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Hogan's book or if it was in one of the

671
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>early you know Insider. They didn't claim it was a

672
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.800
<v Speaker 2>non fiction book by an anonymous writer. But there was

673
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>a crossover here where they had a young guy who

674
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>was driving at some point. Now nobody's ever said he

675
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 2>was part of the conspiracy, but this young guy goes

676
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 2>in and out of this conspiracy and is driving people around,

677
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>making sure that people get dropped off at certain locations,

678
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, where they can't be parking cars. And it's

679
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 2>not a taxi driver, And nobody's ever tracked down who

680
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 2>that is? Do you have any idea who that is?

681
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.559
<v Speaker 2>At one point somebody tried to claim it was Saint

682
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>John Hunt, but I don't think so. Even as a teenager,

683
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think this was the guy who was driving

684
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>around Watergate burglars, you know, the Cuban guys especially, you

685
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 2>know who do you know anything about that?

686
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 11>Well, I'll take a while, guess and say that it

687
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:37.679
<v Speaker 11>was good to see.

688
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 10>Here, either Russell Stevens or Pennington.

689
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because nobody ever names him, nobody ever goes after him.

690
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's weird because it's like, hey, we don't even

691
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>need to know who that is. But the guy's driving.

692
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 2>If he's driving people around and dropping him off, he's

693
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 2>obviously got pertinent information. So why did nobody go to

694
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 2>find out what's happening?

695
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 10>This guy absolutely buys your guys.

696
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 11>This series on.

697
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 10>The Purpose was basically him and Jeff Shepard and all.

698
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 10>The author's conclusion is that John Dene was mostly responsible

699
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 10>and he was trying to get information to that embarrassed wife.

700
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 10>My conclusions are a little different. I think that James

701
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 10>mccordord was piggybacking yet another CIA operation or just making

702
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 10>one and getting intelligence for the Russians.

703
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think multiple things, so yeah, to do multiple

704
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>things were going on here, and I think the absolute purpose,

705
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the primary purpose, in my mind, was to was to

706
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>undermine and get Nixon removed. Now as for the why

707
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 2>of that, you know, is it merely because of what

708
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>went on with Dick Helms, Because Dick Helms would be

709
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>exactly the guy who could tap on a lot of

710
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>shoulders and wind up putting this thing into uh you

711
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 2>know who else would have gotten Lyddy and Hunt together,

712
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean realistically, So what is your thought on that

713
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>his Helms at the center of this for multiple premises, I.

714
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 10>Don't believe, No, I don't believe Helmes was involved with

715
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 10>at all with Watergate in my opinion so far, I mean,

716
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 10>I'm open to so Faray.

717
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 11>I think things went down as it a.

718
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 10>Pierce Magruder and Dean or the mommy and the daddy

719
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 10>of this thing.

720
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

721
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 10>I don't even think John Mitchell was knowledgeable at the time.

722
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 10>They told him after the.

723
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 11>Facts and he may or may not.

724
00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 10>He bonded to fight the thing in court that his

725
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 10>lawyer wouldn't loud.

726
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.159
<v Speaker 11>Well he tried.

727
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it's a weird thing. It's a weird

728
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 2>thing with Mitchell. True. But but but the reason why

729
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I keep bringing up Helms is because look, who else

730
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>would have had off the shelf guys that nobody is

731
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>even going to bother to acknowledge existed?

732
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 11>Right?

733
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Who else has guys like that?

734
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 3>Right?

735
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 10>I will tell you that mister Soley, who was James

736
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 10>Jesus Sangleton's boss and also Soviet mole, pretty much have

737
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 10>the power to make things like this happen.

738
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 11>So you think that's.

739
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know these guys basically have you know,

740
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.320
<v Speaker 2>a phone book of assets that they can call upon,

741
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, to put into action when you need somebody

742
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 2>to be there, but never be proven that he was

743
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>there and not actually exist. You know, a guy who

744
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>shows up who's got ID and everything else, but when

745
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you go to check, the guy doesn't exist and then

746
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>he disappears. I mean that is a fairly unique asset

747
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>back then. To have guys who knew how to operate

748
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and also had that non existent ID was something. So

749
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 2>but you think that that's Engleton's boss, huh?

750
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 10>I think he? I don't know that solely was the

751
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 10>top guy on this. I mean Macor definitely is involved,

752
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:39.400
<v Speaker 10>and since solely was technically a court superior. I mean,

753
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 10>I don't know how RUSSI inspiring is wrong. But I

754
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 10>did find through the Mary Farrell that the Stevens guy, Yeah,

755
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 10>he was a non bugger from the nineteen fifties.

756
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 11>The FBI had records on him.

757
00:41:54.039 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 10>He was an official CIA employee, He was contracted at times,

758
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 10>he directly worked for McCords, Little Mullan and whatever, so

759
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 10>he was quaused i CIA. This is what everything keeps

760
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 10>going back to mcford, which makes me think that I

761
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.039
<v Speaker 10>don't know, I just don't know if this I mean,

762
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 10>I'm open to it. I traditionally always thought it was

763
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 10>the CIA or Nixon, but with these revelations from John

764
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.400
<v Speaker 10>Newman that there's just and there's just all kinds of

765
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 10>Soviet moles there.

766
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 3>And there's also a part going on behind.

767
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 10>Water Gate that I'm still not clear on. Apparently there

768
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 10>was quote unquote a military spiring operating in the White House.

769
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 10>I still don't know exactly what the devil they're talking about.

770
00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is why guys like Gordon Nobel become useful, right,

771
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>because you know a guy who has some electronics expertise,

772
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a specialty who nobody wants to

773
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 2>claim doesn't actually have a legit job or a connection,

774
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, where they become quasi assets stuff like that.

775
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 2>And Nobel's just one of the more notable characters, because

776
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 2>he was quite a character, right, But these other guys,

777
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 2>it's just a weird nexus that comes together, and I

778
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>think that reveals a lot of who the real hands

779
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>were that were actually you know, holding the strings. Is

780
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>when you can really sort out where all these assets

781
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>came from. I think you're gonna come up with a

782
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>combination of things that could have only originated from a

783
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>very limited list of people. And look, I enjoy this

784
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of talk. I don't know what you think about

785
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 2>a VPTE, but we are going to take a break

786
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 2>pretty soon, and I want to try and take some

787
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 2>more calls. And besides that, Danny might have questions now

788
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that you brought up all this stuff. Maybe we'll put

789
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>both of you on when we come back. What do

790
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you think I got?

791
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 10>You got one quick thing that I's fascinating was that

792
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.599
<v Speaker 10>the cash found on Dorothy Hunt was not creep money.

793
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 10>It was John Dene money, which she made Witty take

794
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 10>the Florida and Liddy body bondered it, which she didn't

795
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 10>because they didn't take them much effort to figure out exactly.

796
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:28.840
<v Speaker 11>What he did.

797
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And you're talking about the money that was that was

798
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>in her vicinity when she died after the plane crash,

799
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the ten grand they found or whatever that money.

800
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 10>Right, Yeah, on her smoldering person quirks. And there was

801
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.599
<v Speaker 10>some kind of message written on one hundred dollars bill,

802
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 10>though I can't on one bill. I can't remember exactly

803
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 10>what it says off hand, but just another bizarre thing.

804
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Unless somebody's got a photograph of that hundred dollars bill,

805
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.159
<v Speaker 2>I would think that a message written on one hundred

806
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 2>dollars bill is likely closer to urban legend than reality.

807
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>That would be one of the dumbest damn things to

808
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>do in the world, to write a message on one

809
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars bill that you're expecting somebody to either deposit somewhere.

810
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:20.480
<v Speaker 10>Or exact pass. It's just just more like to or

811
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 10>from and then like initials or It wasn't like, hey,

812
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 10>this is what's going on.

813
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 11>It was just like a few Yeah. It's just interesting.

814
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 2>It almost sounds to me like it's it's part of

815
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.159
<v Speaker 2>the urban legend though, you know what I mean, because

816
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the guy who says he heard the

817
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.519
<v Speaker 2>gunshot when what's his name there blew his brains out,

818
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, and turns out he was, you know, not

819
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>even in the state at the time. De Moorinshield. Right

820
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 2>when de Mornshield died, there was a couple of people

821
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 2>that claim to have actually heard the gunshot and then

822
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>later turns out that they didn't. Bill O'Reilly said he

823
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>was outside the house, right, and there was.

824
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 11>Another guy, yeah, good didn't, No.

825
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Not not Gayton Fonzie, Gayton fons He was trying to

826
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 2>approach him, and uh, and then Mark Lane and a

827
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>group of other people had heard the recording at the inquest,

828
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 2>but somebody who claimed to actually have been there like

829
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.760
<v Speaker 2>at the moment it happened I'm talking about, and uh,

830
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly claimed that at one point, but then we

831
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 2>found out he was full of crap, you know, a

832
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 2>big shocker there.

833
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 10>But yeah, that's when I realized that Bill O'Reilly is

834
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.880
<v Speaker 10>not a tripayer tirt.

835
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 2>No, he's a he's a good performer.

836
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:35.719
<v Speaker 11>You know.

837
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>He had a shtick that was working for him quite

838
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 2>well late nineties going into you know, post nine to

839
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>eleven reality. I was an avid watcher of Bill O'Reilly

840
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 2>in like say, nineteen ninety nine, two thousand. You know,

841
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 2>he was interest even if I agreed with a lot

842
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.679
<v Speaker 2>of what he said, but even if I didn't, I

843
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>found him fascinating as a broadcaster because his his shtick

844
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 2>was entertaining, you know, no spin Zone, and then he

845
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't let anybody talk. He would spin things, not let

846
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<v Speaker 2>you talk, yell at you, and then go to commercial,

847
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<v Speaker 2>you know, hilarious, except the night that Marilyn Manson kind

848
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<v Speaker 2>of you know, put him in his place and wasn't

849
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<v Speaker 2>just a doped out, you know, complete zombie you know,

850
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<v Speaker 2>which I think O'Reilly figured he had easy, easy target there.

851
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<v Speaker 2>But outside of that, I kind of like the way

852
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<v Speaker 2>O'Reilly was unfair to his guests and kept wondering why

853
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<v Speaker 2>they kept showing up on the No Spin Zone, you

854
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<v Speaker 2>know when Fox News was like building its balls, you

855
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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I noticed he had a tendance seated too that

857
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<v Speaker 10>everyone would plain about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And look, I was so much of a listener

859
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<v Speaker 2>and watcher of Bill O'Reilly that I think I owned

860
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<v Speaker 2>three of his books, one of them on audio and

861
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<v Speaker 2>two that I actually you know, sat down to read

862
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and it was all, you know, it was all all

863
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 2>right wing hype and all and things were better in

864
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<v Speaker 2>the old when I was a kid in New Jersey,

865
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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly, so you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 10>Anyways, the only thing and the first thing I ever

867
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<v Speaker 10>looked at at by him was JFK, which just sad

868
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<v Speaker 10>is to be something I knew about, so I immediately

869
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<v Speaker 10>pretty much knew what he was about. Right after that,

870
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<v Speaker 10>I said, Okay, this guy's full of more craft than an.

871
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<v Speaker 2>Out of which which part of the JFK thing did

872
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<v Speaker 2>you come in on? Because back in the days when

873
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 2>he was doing Inside Edition, uh, you know, he was

874
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.519
<v Speaker 2>out there making allegations, and you know, we talked to

875
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Gayton Phonsie and Gating Fonsie told us that you know

876
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>this and this is good.

877
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<v Speaker 10>In the nineties, I seen him as a totally different

878
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 10>of course, from yeah, like you said, that other show

879
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:54.239
<v Speaker 10>where he would actually show so called conspiracies angles and

880
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 10>the JFK thing one of the few places right.

881
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And then he started writing his Killing Everybody book series,

882
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, Killing Kennedy, Killing Lincoln killing. I can't even

883
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<v Speaker 2>remember everybody was it killing Truman. I don't know how

884
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<v Speaker 2>many how many people was he, you know, the killing

885
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 2>of this one and that one. Yeah, them all, Yeah,

886
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<v Speaker 2>killed them all.

887
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 13>He killed them all to kill them all books series.

888
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.760
<v Speaker 10>It was wonderful, was buying. He did find that one,

889
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<v Speaker 10>that one tramp and interviewed him. Yeah, and he assured

890
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<v Speaker 10>everyone that him and his bodies didn't kill anyone.

891
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<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately, I got to tell you, I actually believe

892
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the story that Bill O'Reilly ran, not because Bill O'Reilly

893
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.960
<v Speaker 2>ran it, but you know, because there was backing for

894
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<v Speaker 2>that in my mind, and the stuff that people tried

895
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<v Speaker 2>to make it out to be Howard hot.

896
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<v Speaker 6>And all that.

897
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<v Speaker 10>Yet I think that one thing he did great in

898
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<v Speaker 10>the nineties, I believed that that was the tramp that

899
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.719
<v Speaker 10>they always call hunt. It wasn't right, this guy said, no,

900
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 10>believe me, I'm the guy it wasn't not right. That's

901
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<v Speaker 10>one thing where I'm like, thanks Bill, Yeah.

902
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<v Speaker 2>There's I'll thank him for that because that was good.

903
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it also wasn't Chauncey Holt. It also

904
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't you know, any other Watergate people. It just was

905
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:21.119
<v Speaker 2>these three guys who did look strange, but they just

906
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<v Speaker 2>look strange. It's nothing, and that's that's the amazing. People

907
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:27.199
<v Speaker 2>will still go back to that. Go I don't know,

908
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you look at the guy's ear and I think it

909
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 2>looks like, come on, you're giving me earprint evidence from

910
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 2>a blurry, black and white photograph that's been blown up

911
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.199
<v Speaker 2>eighty times. And oh, by the way, you know you're

912
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 2>using a digital version of that. So what do you got?

913
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<v Speaker 2>A whole lot of nothing? Yeah, okay, anyway, Fletcher Proudy,

914
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:48.119
<v Speaker 2>all right, so what are you gonna do? Jimmy, I'm

915
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna put you on hold, but we are gonna come

916
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 2>back around, take a little break. And I still haven't

917
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<v Speaker 2>even checked in with b Pete about his week, have

918
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I Damn, we are way behind be Pete. I'm gonna

919
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 2>take this break, give you the opening, and then let

920
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 2>you figure out how we should bring those two back

921
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 2>on if nobody else calls in. What do you think? Yeah,

922
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean you got to take this next half of

923
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the show, man, I mean we got to hear about

924
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>your week, and then yeah, I want you to conduct

925
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.519
<v Speaker 2>the conversation between Jimmy and Danny, because Danny wants to

926
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>know about Watergate, Danny's interest in football. I know Jimmy

927
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>is two, so you might get a little Watergate, a

928
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 2>little football, a little god knows what. And also whatever

929
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you guys, you listening you out there, if you're hearing

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<v Speaker 2>us live about three minutes to nine pm Eastern in

931
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<v Speaker 2>that place we used to call America on the clock

932
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<v Speaker 2>right almost nine pm Eastern time, as we are live

933
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<v Speaker 2>on a friar's day of Friday Night, the twenty sixth

934
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<v Speaker 2>day of July twenty twenty four on the Ocelli Effect,

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<v Speaker 2>and guess what. Lastly, the number to call in is

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<v Speaker 2>three one nine five two seven five zero one six

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<v Speaker 2>five two seven five zero one six, or send me

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<v Speaker 2>a message Charles dot o'chelly on Skype, ask me to

939
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<v Speaker 2>and I will call you into the show. Otherwise three

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<v Speaker 2>one nine five two seven five zero one six the

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<v Speaker 2>O'Kell effect. Friday Night open Mic will return after this.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, Carlin, the truth about the JFA assassination.

943
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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, what do you want to know?

944
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.320
<v Speaker 9>Dy Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriend he knew Ruby and

945
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<v Speaker 9>Barry answer weapons?

946
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<v Speaker 5>Really?

947
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<v Speaker 2>I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It

948
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make me a wagon.

949
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 9>But okayal on the building and I'm trying to prevent

950
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<v Speaker 9>the murder of John Kennedy.

951
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<v Speaker 3>Come on now has a real effort on the DFA assassination.

952
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<v Speaker 2>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

953
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<v Speaker 2>own Words. You'll get the results for a digital copy

954
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<v Speaker 2>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

955
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<v Speaker 2>and the known evidence in the case to get at

956
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 2>well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith

957
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Barry Baker in her own words from the author himself,

958
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<v Speaker 2>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

959
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<v Speaker 2>kias jfk at aol dot com. It's a fun book

960
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<v Speaker 2>and it actually dissects the many, many fantastic claims Judith

961
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<v Speaker 2>Barry Baker in her own words.

962
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<v Speaker 13>In Denial Secret Wars with air strikes and tanks by

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<v Speaker 13>Larry Hancock. Secret wars became a staple of US covert

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<v Speaker 13>operations and are still happening today. Larry Hancock's book In

965
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<v Speaker 13>Denial rips the cover off many of them, using new files.

966
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<v Speaker 13>It exposes things about the Bay and Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 13>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 13>really failed and why the United States did not learn

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<v Speaker 13>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 13>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 13>that puts what some.

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<v Speaker 6>Want to deny into the light. In Denial Secret Wars

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<v Speaker 6>with air strikes and tanks Larry Hancock. For more information,

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<v Speaker 14>Force, The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great

977
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978
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<v Speaker 14>in the context of the times and reveals never before

979
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<v Speaker 14>published information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would

980
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<v Speaker 14>not have been assassinated if he had been president two

981
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<v Speaker 14>hundred years ago. His assassination took place in the context

982
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<v Speaker 14>of the Cold War and the rise of the national

983
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<v Speaker 14>security state. Before World War II, the United States was

984
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<v Speaker 14>a continental republic. In the decade that followed, it became

985
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<v Speaker 14>an imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only

986
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<v Speaker 14>wanted to invade Cuba, but knew that there were short

987
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<v Speaker 14>range missiles on the island arn't with nuclear warheads that

988
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<v Speaker 14>they could not destroy because they were on mobile launchers.

989
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<v Speaker 14>Their invasion could have led to a Third World War,

990
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<v Speaker 14>and they wanted to go to war anyway. The War

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<v Speaker 14>State by Michael Swanson reveals why and will s show

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<v Speaker 14>the War State dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>This is James Corbin at coorper Report dot com and

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<v Speaker 8>Uncle, do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh that's interesting? Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Did that ever work out too good?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 8>It didn't, did it? But here on o'chelly dot com

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<v Speaker 14>the context of the times, and reveals never before published

1025
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<v Speaker 14>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 14>have been assassinated if he had been president.

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<v Speaker 1>You like history, real history that you were never taught

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1031
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<v Speaker 2>If you was expressed my caller school, is there anyone

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<v Speaker 13>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Get ready, and we are back for segment number two

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<v Speaker 2>of the live open mic on O'Kelly dot com. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a little miscue, might have accidentally started to play

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<v Speaker 2>the War State a second time during that commercial break.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna have some new spots soon. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're also gonna have to eliminate some that are on

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<v Speaker 2>like that are changing and uh not really changing for

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<v Speaker 2>I had a few people actually asked to be removed

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<v Speaker 2>from the archive list recently, so, uh, you know it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is how it's going Patreon down. Everything is on

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<v Speaker 2>its way down, looks like to me, Uh, is it

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<v Speaker 2>just me? Or is everybody getting paid less while all

1054
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the costs are still going up? Oh that's right, they

1055
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.440
<v Speaker 2>told us the economy was getting better. Anyways, you can

1056
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.599
<v Speaker 2>tell us all about it. If you want or anything

1057
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.079
<v Speaker 2>that's on your mind. Three one nine, five two seven,

1058
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:52.559
<v Speaker 2>five zero one six three one nine five two seven

1059
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 2>five zero one six that's the number to call to

1060
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:58.840
<v Speaker 2>get in on this or reach out to me Charles

1061
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 2>dot Ocelli on Skype, and if you ask me to,

1062
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I will call you into the show. My girls be pete.

1063
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>We didn't get to open tonight by asking you how

1064
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:11.760
<v Speaker 2>your week went? What's on your brain today? Nothing? I

1065
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>wonder if you wouldn't give us just a couple of

1066
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.320
<v Speaker 2>minutes of you know that, because we missed it at

1067
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 2>the top of the show. Sometimes you give us a

1068
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:22.239
<v Speaker 2>weather report and then we'll transition back into callers. If

1069
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:23.960
<v Speaker 2>we get a new one, we'll put them up front,

1070
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.079
<v Speaker 2>but otherwise we might let Jimmy, James and Danny talk

1071
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to each other a little. I'm thinking, but up to you, brother,

1072
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 2>how was your week? Let's go there.

1073
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, RWIE sucked. Basically we have been hit with rain.

1074
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 4>I mean it sucked that loud. We've been hit with

1075
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 4>rain every damn day. Jobs has been shut down. We

1076
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 4>haven't done anything in five days, so I mean it's

1077
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 4>it's been that bad.

1078
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 5>Everything has been training up the coast and we get

1079
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 5>it during the day and then we really get it

1080
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 5>bad overnight. I mean, thunderstorms do sound like you're sleeping

1081
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 5>in the bar and alley.

1082
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 4>Uh, it's been pretty intense.

1083
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:04.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm getting ready to go out in the morning and

1084
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.599
<v Speaker 5>put some pontoons on my lawnlowder.

1085
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Tackle the front yard, pontoons on the lawndower. That sounds like, yeah,

1086
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it.

1087
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 5>You've had flash flood warnings all over the place, tornado warnings,

1088
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.840
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that when these funds and finally this front

1089
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 5>is moving through.

1090
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.679
<v Speaker 4>So my sinuses are quick screaming. But other than that,

1091
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:28.599
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's been it's been a very hectic week.

1092
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 5>But I would like to say, you know, put a

1093
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.599
<v Speaker 5>note out there to all the powers that be that

1094
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 5>they've got to change their damn schedule because I get

1095
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.159
<v Speaker 5>tired of stuff happening.

1096
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 3>The minute we go.

1097
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Off air on Friday night, corap.

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01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Speaker 5>Starts happening, and we don't get to talk about it

1099
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:47.320
<v Speaker 5>for a week. So by the week goes by and

1100
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.760
<v Speaker 5>you're tired of talking about it by the end of

1101
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 5>the week. So they need to redo their schedule or

1102
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:54.960
<v Speaker 5>either we need to switch to Monday night.

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01:00:55.320 --> 01:01:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah plan, Yeah, plan your resignations and political scan and

1104
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, alleged assassination attempts and all that stuff.

1105
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's it's really getting hard.

1106
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:08.159
<v Speaker 3>To stay up with it.

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01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:10.320
<v Speaker 5>But right, but by the time the end of the

1108
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.719
<v Speaker 5>week gets here, I've heard so much crap this week

1109
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.639
<v Speaker 5>about two seaters and three seaters and four seaters and.

1110
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.400
<v Speaker 11>Five guns and.

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01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Did you did you see that water tower?

1112
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, did you see Mike Adams thing about how

1113
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 2>like no shots were actually fired by the kid crooks?

1114
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Did you see that?

1115
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:29.039
<v Speaker 9>No?

1116
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 4>Okay, no, Mike Adams, which Mike Adams, the.

1117
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Health ranger, Mike Adams, you know, yeah, that guy will

1118
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 2>have to link to that. I'll get it for you.

1119
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I put it in the chat room actually

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01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.599
<v Speaker 2>and said uh and and said, Jimmy James, give me

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01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.039
<v Speaker 2>your reaction to this, because I think Adams states that,

1122
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's been reviewing the video and the pictures

1123
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, dude, he says, uh, yeah, this

1124
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 2>kid never fired a shot. Why is the gun seven

1125
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 2>feet away from the body? Blah blah blah. And I'm like, wow,

1126
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I am not responding to this, but I

1127
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>figured I would let Jimmy James have at it. I

1128
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know if he looked at it, but I put

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01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it in the chat room. Yeah, please do take a

1130
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:12.119
<v Speaker 2>look at it.

1131
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll go and look at it. But it's been

1132
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:16.280
<v Speaker 5>I mean some of the stuff that I've heard. Some

1133
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:17.880
<v Speaker 5>of the stuff I've heard makes a lot of sense.

1134
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 5>Some just that's crazy.

1135
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 2>But see, that's the thing is you got that. Yeah,

1136
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:28.039
<v Speaker 2>you got conspiracy theorists, you know, going going full bore

1137
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:33.360
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorist, you got official explanation defenders and and all

1138
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.199
<v Speaker 2>that going, you know, full tilt boogie on that BS.

1139
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.360
<v Speaker 2>And then you got you know, the Trump, the Trump narrative.

1140
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:43.320
<v Speaker 2>But there is a whole lot of other crazy out

1141
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 2>there that I can't even put in a box. I mean,

1142
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.639
<v Speaker 2>it's it's weird the people that are defending the real

1143
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.199
<v Speaker 2>situation in Mike, in my opinion, the people that are

1144
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 2>making excuses and making it into something larger than it is.

1145
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, AJ goes live on Saturday Night Emergency Broadcast.

1146
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.920
<v Speaker 2>There's been a coup against the United States, and I'm like,

1147
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 2>a coup against the United Wait a minute, this guy's

1148
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a candidate for president. Oh hold on, are you talking

1149
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:16.679
<v Speaker 2>about Biden, you know, dropping out, which that also happened

1150
01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:18.679
<v Speaker 2>this week. And I'm tired of talking about all of it.

1151
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to talk about Kamala at this point,

1152
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:23.719
<v Speaker 2>right because I'm sick of it already by the time

1153
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 2>we get the Friday. So yeah, I concur u, can

1154
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.400
<v Speaker 2>you please stop doing stuff on Friday night and Saturday.

1155
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the part that ticks me off. And it has

1156
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:37.719
<v Speaker 4>just come out the past couple of days, and this

1157
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:38.719
<v Speaker 4>is the coupd of draw.

1158
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:45.199
<v Speaker 5>They are already wiping websites of quotes and stories.

1159
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.320
<v Speaker 4>Yep, a voul Kamala yep.

1160
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:54.239
<v Speaker 5>And I really have to make myself say Kamala because

1161
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.840
<v Speaker 5>the only other Kamala I know was a wrestler.

1162
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:04.000
<v Speaker 2>And the ugandhan Ja I said it was Kamala, not Kamalata,

1163
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the giant kamaladon giant.

1164
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, to think about, that's the only other. That's

1165
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:16.639
<v Speaker 4>the only other Kamala. You know, It's just it's crazy.

1166
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.519
<v Speaker 5>But when they start trying to rewrite history, I mean,

1167
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:25.599
<v Speaker 5>just how stupid do these people think the public really is?

1168
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:30.559
<v Speaker 4>That's what amazes me. These are mainstream news sources out.

1169
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.559
<v Speaker 9>There, you know, just handing out the same piece of

1170
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.559
<v Speaker 9>paper with the same bullet points and they all are

1171
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:40.480
<v Speaker 9>reading from it.

1172
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1173
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.480
<v Speaker 5>It's so hilarious that I just can't believe that they

1174
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.239
<v Speaker 5>actually think the public is that stupid, that there's not

1175
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 5>some people out there that are going to call them

1176
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 5>on it.

1177
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:54.480
<v Speaker 2>But the shock is amazing. The shocker is the public

1178
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>is that stupid? Number one? Number two. Yeah, that's where

1179
01:04:59.320 --> 01:04:59.639
<v Speaker 2>we're at.

1180
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:00.320
<v Speaker 10>Uh.

1181
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 2>And and by the way, I guess you didn't live

1182
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.920
<v Speaker 2>in enough black neighborhoods. I've known plenty of people over

1183
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:08.960
<v Speaker 2>the years, tangentially that were named uh Kamala, but they

1184
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.119
<v Speaker 2>were all Kamalas and uh, yeah, they were generally girls,

1185
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:16.679
<v Speaker 2>and uh they were not of mixed heritage according to them.

1186
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.800
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. They were black, Uh, and

1187
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:22.239
<v Speaker 2>that was that. And they you know, it's like all

1188
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the girls named Tunisia, and you know, Kamala goes along

1189
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.360
<v Speaker 2>with just those names. You know what I'm saying.

1190
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:34.039
<v Speaker 5>Those those I've never I've lived all over the United States,

1191
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:35.880
<v Speaker 5>I've never run into another Kamala.

1192
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, there's there's plenty. I mean, I every neighborhood

1193
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I used to move into, there was two, three, four

1194
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:42.880
<v Speaker 2>of them, no problem. I mean, it wasn't quite as

1195
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 2>big as Jennifer in the white community, but it was

1196
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:47.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, uh, kind of like a Stacy as

1197
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:51.559
<v Speaker 2>a name. Stacy was as popular in the white communities

1198
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:55.599
<v Speaker 2>or the mixed communities as say, Kamala was in black

1199
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:00.559
<v Speaker 2>communities and mixed communities. So uh, yeah, no common Kamala.

1200
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I saw all the time. This Kamala, which is a

1201
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:07.000
<v Speaker 2>slightly different drag on. It is new to me, so

1202
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the hell's up with that, but

1203
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, you got to stop yourself almost every

1204
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:16.920
<v Speaker 2>time and say kama lah instead of yeah, Kamala. You've

1205
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>gone to a giant.

1206
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:20.920
<v Speaker 4>It's amazing how far she's gone down this.

1207
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:25.599
<v Speaker 5>This is a person that never had a single primary

1208
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:30.119
<v Speaker 5>vote in her favor, not as president, been in a primary,

1209
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.440
<v Speaker 5>and here she is supposedly going to take the helm

1210
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:35.719
<v Speaker 5>of the Democratic.

1211
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.719
<v Speaker 4>Party for this election only in America.

1212
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:39.760
<v Speaker 11>Think about it.

1213
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Did you win in America?

1214
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.159
<v Speaker 4>Could you not even have to run in a primary

1215
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:45.400
<v Speaker 4>and you could be president?

1216
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Well wait a minute, Well she ran in primaries, just

1217
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.360
<v Speaker 2>not for long, right, No, she didn't know she got.

1218
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 4>Out before the first primary.

1219
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.360
<v Speaker 2>She ran, So when she did that debate and everything

1220
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:01.159
<v Speaker 2>that was before the first primary. I barely remember this now,

1221
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:05.239
<v Speaker 2>remember the debate where she's like the first Okay, did

1222
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:08.039
<v Speaker 2>she ever run in a primary when she was, you know,

1223
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:10.800
<v Speaker 2>in California? No, did she ever run? I mean, because

1224
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I know she did. She didn't make it in the

1225
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 2>presidential primary? Cool, but did she ever run any?

1226
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.320
<v Speaker 4>For me? Is the ag? In is the Attorney General

1227
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.599
<v Speaker 4>of San Francisco. They run for that. I appo she

1228
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:24.679
<v Speaker 4>was in that primary.

1229
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 5>But this is somebody that has never been in a

1230
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Speaker 5>presidential primary that's getting ready to take the.

1231
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:35.239
<v Speaker 4>Helmet and be on the ballot and could win, could win?

1232
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:36.320
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, fair enough.

1233
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, she ain't doing that. But I mean, let's see.

1234
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:43.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's how this whole week's spin and trying

1235
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.119
<v Speaker 4>to keep up with him spin. Heactic to go and work.

1236
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.360
<v Speaker 5>We've had stuff blown apart work. It's just got so

1237
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 5>much water on the job site, like two inches of

1238
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.320
<v Speaker 5>rain a day, two inches of rain at night for

1239
01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:59.760
<v Speaker 5>six days. It's been hectic trying to stay on top

1240
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 5>of it. They is the assassination stuff. Trying to stay

1241
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.760
<v Speaker 5>on top of that, it's almost impossible. But I did

1242
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:06.920
<v Speaker 5>find a story that I know you're not going to

1243
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.159
<v Speaker 5>hear anywhere else.

1244
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Of all deaths directly linked to COVID shots. Autopsy data shows.

1245
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:21.439
<v Speaker 5>This group of American oncologists, cardiologists, doctors, and scientists and

1246
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:26.239
<v Speaker 5>some pre big names in there did a study using

1247
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:28.920
<v Speaker 5>autopsy reports, and they're saying that.

1248
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:32.960
<v Speaker 4>A damning new study has revealed.

1249
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:36.960
<v Speaker 5>That autopsy data shows COVID MRMA shots have overwhelming and

1250
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:41.760
<v Speaker 5>contributed to all cause deaths around the world. They've done

1251
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:45.159
<v Speaker 5>the study and says it's COVID shots are directly linked

1252
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:49.560
<v Speaker 5>to seventy three point nine percent of all deaths.

1253
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:52.800
<v Speaker 4>Now, when are you going to hear that in the

1254
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:53.800
<v Speaker 4>mainstream media?

1255
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, mainstream forget it. I've seen that published on a

1256
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:01.119
<v Speaker 2>couple of substacks that that happened, but I wasn't certain

1257
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that anybody would speak of it anywhere.

1258
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:07.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and very quickly I did some research while we

1259
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 4>were in the break.

1260
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:12.760
<v Speaker 5>There are thirteen editions in the Killing series by Bill

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<v Speaker 5>O'Reilly and he kills Let's see a Killing, Reagan, chilling, Kennedy, chilling, Jesus, killing,

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<v Speaker 5>England killing, Potton killing, the SS, killing the Rising Sun, Chilling,

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<v Speaker 5>Crazy Horse killing, the Mob Killing the Killers and killing

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<v Speaker 5>the witches, and then he's got his thirteenth book is

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<v Speaker 5>a combination Killing Lincoln Killing Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh okay, so he put that out later, that

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<v Speaker 2>combo book.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>He put out that combo Kennedy and the Lincoln book later.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a second edition kind of deal. Yeah, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I was not aware that. And it all started with

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<v Speaker 2>the killing Kennedy thing where you know, again, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on which point in O'Reilly's career, you never know

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<v Speaker 2>what point of view he was going with, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the assassination, is he a pro conspiracy

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01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.359
<v Speaker 2>guy or not all the way up till he published

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<v Speaker 2>that where basically, you know, the Warrant Commission got it

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<v Speaker 2>right according to him, except he wants to point out discrepancies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and that's why I was asking about this. Martin Dugard.

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<v Speaker 5>Bill o'roniy writes books by hiring someone to write the

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<v Speaker 5>book for him.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't spend a lot of time on these books.

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<v Speaker 5>He comes up with his general bullet points he wants

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<v Speaker 5>to make has left up somebody else put it together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it kind of sounds like, you know, Dick

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<v Speaker 2>Russell's job when it comes to writing with Jesse Ventura, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean basically, Dick Russell pulls together the research and

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<v Speaker 2>they and the raw guts of the thing and says,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the proof for the for the crap that Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>just said, you know on the last page, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that the way that's that that book team runs?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, and you can find all of his stuff

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<v Speaker 5>at McMillan Publishers.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. And Roger Stone another guy who had

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<v Speaker 2>you know, various co authors with him, and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really do all the work. He has somebody else doing.

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<v Speaker 4>You I understand all the big to do about Roger Stone.

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<v Speaker 4>He seems to me, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems to me to be one of those persons

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<v Speaker 5>that will interject himself into a situation.

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<v Speaker 4>But I understand what the big deal is. I've never

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<v Speaker 4>understood where he.

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<v Speaker 15>Either contributed or didn't contribute or calls or I mean,

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01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 15>he was responsible for what dirty tricks factor in Nixon's

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<v Speaker 15>times or in elections.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, that's a plain defect.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not it. That's where his career begins. Okay,

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01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.359
<v Speaker 2>but he's involved with you know, the Willie Hort thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's involved with various presidential campaigns. He's involved with a

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01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.119
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of different campaigns, but he's never the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's up front. He's one of those behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember exactly, but I do remember he was

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<v Speaker 2>part of that that maneuver somehow, and he was part

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<v Speaker 2>of just a whole bunch of stuff that's kind of greasy,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the you know, revelations that turned up, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the a whole bunch of the stuff from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>different scandals, a lot of the initial reports, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that floats out there and like the the Inquirer,

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01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:40.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, media circles and stuff like that that

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01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.159
<v Speaker 2>later on turns out to be true. In some cases,

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01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:45.439
<v Speaker 2>it was Roger Stone coming up with it, and he

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01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:48.680
<v Speaker 2>was involved deeply in the DC scene, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that he got busted swinging with his wife,

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01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and once that happened, that was unacceptable, so they sort

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01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of uninvited him into that weird inner circle where he

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01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.000
<v Speaker 2>was able to work behind the scenes for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people. Also, he was running Trump's campaign at one point,

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01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:09.600
<v Speaker 2>and he had been friends with Trump a long time,

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01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So this is why he came back into prominence, but

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01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:16.680
<v Speaker 2>he also has these series of you know, conspiracy based books.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a Johnson Killed Kennedy guy and all that. And

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<v Speaker 2>recently when I had Joan Mellanon, we talked about it,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, on air, about Rogerstone and the weird thing

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01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.359
<v Speaker 2>that went on with her, which, by the way, here's

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<v Speaker 2>the clip. I'm just going to play this real fast beat, Pete,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I want to get back to the callers.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's a partial clip of that May Brussel saying

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<v Speaker 2>that Jimmy sent me by email for me to listen to,

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01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.159
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, hey, that's probably the first time that

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01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Roger Stone got mentioned by you know, sort of an

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01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:50.239
<v Speaker 2>outsider media outlet. So you know, this is back in

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01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:53.840
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven when May is broadcasting at a Carmel,

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01:13:54.079 --> 01:14:00.439
<v Speaker 2>California doing I think it's a conversation, can you It

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01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.840
<v Speaker 2>might have been called at this point either way. It's

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01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:06.760
<v Speaker 2>from nord Is it November of nineteen seventy No, No,

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01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:10.880
<v Speaker 2>not November. Let me correct myself. It's from May, May

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01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:15.319
<v Speaker 2>ninth of nineteen seventy seven. And here's that clip, real fast,

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01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.439
<v Speaker 2>just a few seconds of it to give you an

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01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:20.960
<v Speaker 2>idea of May Brussels sort of wrapping around on Roger

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01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Stone real quick in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 16>You're tranquilizers. Another payoff was Carl Feldbaund, the former assistant

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01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 16>Watergates Special prosecutor, and he was named to just recently

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01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:37.439
<v Speaker 16>the Defense Department as the Inspector General's post. He's been

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01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:40.840
<v Speaker 16>promoted to the US Defense Department. And it was the

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<v Speaker 16>Defense Department that was working to get Richard Nixon out

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01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:47.359
<v Speaker 16>because of his stand for its opening up Dunton with

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01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.439
<v Speaker 16>Russia and China, and a far with the right wing

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01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.239
<v Speaker 16>group was sabotaging Richard Nixon. And one member of the

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01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 16>special prosecutors team has now been named to the Defense

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01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:02.680
<v Speaker 16>Inspector General's post in Washington, d C. Another young gentleman

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<v Speaker 16>by the name of Roger Stone, who had the alias

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01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:08.720
<v Speaker 16>of Jason Rainier during the Watergate dirty tricks, is now

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<v Speaker 16>organizing with mister Hugary in Washington, d C. And in

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01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.680
<v Speaker 16>the Southwest. They plan to make the entire Congress a

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01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.960
<v Speaker 16>far right Republican by the next elections if possible. And

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<v Speaker 16>this is very important because of the sabotage against members

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01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.239
<v Speaker 16>in Congress that have been infiltrated by the Korean CIA,

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<v Speaker 16>and the scandal will just break at the time of

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01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.880
<v Speaker 16>the next elections. This gentleman was cited by the Watergate

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<v Speaker 16>Committee for sabotage and espionage and never charged for any crimes,

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01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:41.239
<v Speaker 16>and now is very active and Young Americans for Freedom

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<v Speaker 16>which sponsored Spiro Agnua in the first place. Even though

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<v Speaker 16>Agnew is out of office and not running now, he

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01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.079
<v Speaker 16>says he could run again. He said that last week

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01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.279
<v Speaker 16>he could win, and he could run again, and the

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01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:53.199
<v Speaker 16>same people that were behind him at the time of

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01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:56.760
<v Speaker 16>Watergate are working harder now. It was the same Rogers

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<v Speaker 16>Stone that hired a Michael mcnanaway. It was the day

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<v Speaker 16>and chair number two at the time of Watergate, and

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01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:05.840
<v Speaker 16>he paid He was paid five thousand dollars by Charles

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01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.520
<v Speaker 16>Colson to send money to Pete McCloskey and say it

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01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.039
<v Speaker 16>was from the Gay Liberation Front and some more money

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01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:16.199
<v Speaker 16>from the Trotsky Young Socialist And then they drafted anonymous

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01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:20.039
<v Speaker 16>letters to the Manchester New Hampshire newspaper to William Lowe

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<v Speaker 16>and said that McCosky was getting money from Trotsky Foundation

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<v Speaker 16>of Trotzky contribution.

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<v Speaker 2>See it's weird stuff like that. That Rogerstone ends up doing. Right,

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01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, it turns around and uh, it literally directs

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01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:38.520
<v Speaker 2>a donation to somebody and then alerts the newspaper. Hey,

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01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:42.319
<v Speaker 2>this guy's getting money from a communist organization. Stuff like that.

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01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, these kind of tricks and things that he

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01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.520
<v Speaker 2>was always involved in pulling and masterminding. Actually, and this

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01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:51.520
<v Speaker 2>is what made him useful himself.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, it just sounds like a run of the mill,

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01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.680
<v Speaker 5>every day crap in DC. Well, except I don't see

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01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.319
<v Speaker 5>where he was well, but he should be a celebrity

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01:16:59.399 --> 01:16:59.720
<v Speaker 5>over it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but if he's a high level operative at that,

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01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:05.359
<v Speaker 2>and he's a mover and a shaker in those fields,

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01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and he literally dreams this stuff up in order to

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01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>smear people, in order to you know, turn the electorate

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01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.479
<v Speaker 2>against him and literally influence elections constantly by the fact

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01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:18.479
<v Speaker 2>that he's involved in who can get the most mud

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01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 2>on him faster?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what?

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01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Can you say the level of influence that he had

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01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.119
<v Speaker 2>there was probably pretty high because his name kept coming

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01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:31.880
<v Speaker 2>up with everybody, and yet nobody ever would bust him

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01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:36.840
<v Speaker 2>for literally doing something directly illegal. He would be on

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01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:39.479
<v Speaker 2>the fringes of stuff, just on the outside of illegal

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01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:43.239
<v Speaker 2>operations just on the you know, definitely on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of morally precarious situations one way or another. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his personal orientation being that he's a libertarian, believes in

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01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:57.920
<v Speaker 2>everybody's personal freedom, you know, supports lgd PTE, you know,

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01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.399
<v Speaker 2>supports all that kind of rights until it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>becomes the rainbow flag it does today. He used to

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01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:09.800
<v Speaker 2>be a gay rights supporter, all that stuff, and weirdly,

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01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.720
<v Speaker 2>he would mainly work for the most right wing people

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<v Speaker 2>he could, but when it suited him, he'd go and

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01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.439
<v Speaker 2>work to try and get you know, if you needed

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01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.039
<v Speaker 2>to split a Democratic vote, he'd go and you know,

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01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.039
<v Speaker 2>get the socialist guy to get a little bit of

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01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.479
<v Speaker 2>traction in an election, turn around and get somebody knocked

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01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:28.880
<v Speaker 2>out of Congress by splitting the Democratic vote that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean. But what I'm saying is is those are

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01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 4>everyday things.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are everyday occurrences, and they've been going on in

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01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:42.399
<v Speaker 5>politics since politics. But I just don't see where he's

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01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:46.600
<v Speaker 5>become such a celeb because of it. Well because it

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01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.159
<v Speaker 5>because he hasn't had to pull any time, who knows,

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01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:50.920
<v Speaker 5>But I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just if he's literally the guy, if he's literally the

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01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:57.920
<v Speaker 2>guy who's creating a lot of this stuff. I mean

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01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:00.520
<v Speaker 2>not finding it out and then just revealing it, but

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01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.079
<v Speaker 2>literally creating it, making sure it gets revealed, and directing

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01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:08.279
<v Speaker 2>political scandal after political scandal on mass like on a

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01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:13.159
<v Speaker 2>daily basis. This guy might be responsible for a lot

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01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.199
<v Speaker 2>of the static that's come out, a lot of the corruption,

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01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:18.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the weird. You know, why is this

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01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:21.279
<v Speaker 2>person getting money from China if he's responsible for that

1444
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:24.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff as opposed to just being an operative who digs

1445
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>up dirt, you know, instead of doing opposition research, he's

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01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:33.239
<v Speaker 2>creating the opposition research, right, that's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying is there's been people doing that, especially since

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01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:41.079
<v Speaker 5>the sixties on when you had student group that were

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01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:44.439
<v Speaker 5>working for each party. I mean, this is I just

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01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:48.239
<v Speaker 5>don't understand how he's worked it into a celebrity status

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01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:49.239
<v Speaker 5>a bit that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but there were fifty guys who came up with

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, with the personal computer concept, and there

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01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.039
<v Speaker 2>was one hundred guys who came up with the operating

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01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:59.640
<v Speaker 2>system concept, and only one of them gets to be

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01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:01.720
<v Speaker 2>built gates, and only one of them gets to be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the guys from Apple, Steve Jobs, whatever, because

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01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.039
<v Speaker 2>they are prolific and they do it better than everybody else,

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01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:11.520
<v Speaker 2>and maybe they do it one hundred times more than

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01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:14.319
<v Speaker 2>everybody else, right, So I think that's what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>is that Roger Stone is like, look, there's a lot

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01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.560
<v Speaker 2>of Major League Baseball players. Not all of them are

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01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the best home run hitters, but they're valuable people. And

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01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:26.640
<v Speaker 2>who do you celebrate. You celebrate the stars. This guy

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01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.720
<v Speaker 2>is the star of you know, what they called at

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01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:34.800
<v Speaker 2>one point muck raking and the manufacturing of you know,

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01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.319
<v Speaker 2>of scandal as well as you know, direction of scandal.

1468
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:41.680
<v Speaker 2>He's supposed to be the best at it, and tell

1469
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you the truth, I think he is, because I mean

1470
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.039
<v Speaker 2>he's got his fingers in one hundred things. You know,

1471
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.359
<v Speaker 2>He's not one operative working for one party or working

1472
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.760
<v Speaker 2>for one little group of people, or sticking with one candidate.

1473
01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:58.800
<v Speaker 2>This guy's you know, pretty much been all over the place.

1474
01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:02.079
<v Speaker 2>So well, you know, at a certain point, if he

1475
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>gets fifty people into Congress that might have not made

1476
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.439
<v Speaker 2>it without his manipulations, it looks to me like you

1477
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.159
<v Speaker 2>can you can actually, you know, make a case that

1478
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.640
<v Speaker 2>he's fairly powerful as an operative, right and if he's

1479
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.439
<v Speaker 2>the best of the best there you go, What do

1480
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:19.800
<v Speaker 2>you think?

1481
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:23.119
<v Speaker 17>I don't know.

1482
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:24.039
<v Speaker 4>I still don't get it.

1483
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:25.119
<v Speaker 1>I just don't see.

1484
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:27.239
<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm sure that he's involved in a lot

1485
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:28.920
<v Speaker 5>of stuff, but because there are a lot of stuff

1486
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:30.680
<v Speaker 5>that's taking credit for him that he had nothing to

1487
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:34.439
<v Speaker 5>do with, but nobody knows, so nobody can call him

1488
01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:37.960
<v Speaker 5>on I just I just don't understand the celebrity status

1489
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 5>of Roger Stone. I would think he'd be not shunned.

1490
01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:45.600
<v Speaker 5>But you know, who would want to have anything to

1491
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:49.239
<v Speaker 5>do with it at this point? I wouldn't if I

1492
01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.119
<v Speaker 5>were running a campaign, I would. I mean, there's something

1493
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.279
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying. There's guys that's been doing what he's doing.

1494
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.359
<v Speaker 5>It's a lot longer than he's been doing it, and

1495
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.359
<v Speaker 5>they're so good at it you don't even know they

1496
01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:02.399
<v Speaker 5>were involved. He seems to have turned it into a

1497
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:07.159
<v Speaker 5>way to become a celebrity, let's put it that way.

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01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, there were a lot better and better moneymakers

1499
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.840
<v Speaker 2>than John Gotti as a gangster, right. There were a

1500
01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:16.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys who had higher body counts, who had

1501
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 2>ordered more people killed, who controlled larger mob families than

1502
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:24.159
<v Speaker 2>John Gotti. Right, But you know who John Gotti was

1503
01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:28.039
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. And at the same time,

1504
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:31.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe he is at the top of the influential list

1505
01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:34.880
<v Speaker 2>for the people that you know, again, he was not

1506
01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>long ago in Donald Trump's camp, and after that he

1507
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.359
<v Speaker 2>worked with a whole bunch of other people. He's done

1508
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:42.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff.

1509
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:43.119
<v Speaker 9>You know.

1510
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was just a loyalty from Trump

1511
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that bought him the part and he got you know again.

1512
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.319
<v Speaker 5>Oh, that was one of the things I did like

1513
01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:54.600
<v Speaker 5>about Trump when Trump ran the first time was this

1514
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:56.239
<v Speaker 5>association with Roger Stone.

1515
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:59.640
<v Speaker 4>I thought, you know, this is not between that and

1516
01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:03.920
<v Speaker 4>his pick for a spiritual advisor of Paula White.

1517
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Between those two right there, I didn't want anything to

1518
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:09.119
<v Speaker 5>do with Trump still got really yeah.

1519
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:11.800
<v Speaker 2>But see the result though. See that's the thing is

1520
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:14.439
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter how dirty you feel about it. If the

1521
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>result is the result, then who cares?

1522
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:16.800
<v Speaker 11>Right?

1523
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Did John Gotty get the job done? Did John gott

1524
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>he control his family? He sure did. He ended up

1525
01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:25.720
<v Speaker 2>going to prison eventually when he walked away a lot

1526
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:27.600
<v Speaker 2>of times. And this is what made him a legend.

1527
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:31.000
<v Speaker 2>So you know, here you go, right, So this guy

1528
01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:33.880
<v Speaker 2>is a legend because he is out there letting you

1529
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:37.479
<v Speaker 2>know his name, and still operates and has operated now

1530
01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:41.319
<v Speaker 2>for what half a century as a political operative. If

1531
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:44.039
<v Speaker 2>you go all the way back to working with Nixon, right,

1532
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>and Nixon he kind of had a minor role, I thought,

1533
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>but you know, over time you discover more and more stuff.

1534
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:53.520
<v Speaker 2>There was a lot going on there, and the guy

1535
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:57.079
<v Speaker 2>was not just working for Nixon. Okay, anyways, let's get

1536
01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:03.319
<v Speaker 2>to the callers and stuff before we kill all our time, right, sure, yeah, if.

1537
01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:05.319
<v Speaker 4>You just want to bring in Jimmy and Danny and

1538
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:08.039
<v Speaker 4>let them, I'm sure Danny's got some questions.

1539
01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:09.239
<v Speaker 3>For Jimmy, Okay, So.

1540
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.159
<v Speaker 2>You want me to grab Danny first and then and

1541
01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:18.960
<v Speaker 2>then let Jimmy on while Danny's talking, Yeah, i'd be

1542
01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.479
<v Speaker 2>all right. So Jimmy, you prepare and we'll bring Danny

1543
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:24.399
<v Speaker 2>back on, and of course, anybody else that wants to

1544
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:26.199
<v Speaker 2>call in, we will get you in before the end

1545
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 2>of the show. And Aaron Franz starts in about thirty

1546
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>minutes uh here on O'Kelly dot com radio with the

1547
01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.840
<v Speaker 2>age of transitions at ten pm Eastern, and then that'll

1548
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>be followed by Uncle at eleven pm Eastern. I think

1549
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Aaron is still not taking calls on his show, but

1550
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Uncle takes calls on his So stick around oateelly dot com.

1551
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Plenty of call in radio left. So Danny, Uh, you've

1552
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:50.920
<v Speaker 2>been listening to all this and then we're broken to

1553
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Roger Stone and all that. But I'm gonna put Jimmy

1554
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>on with you, so you guys can just converse about this, uh,

1555
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:00.439
<v Speaker 2>and only interrupt you if we get fresh call. So

1556
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.279
<v Speaker 2>it's on you, man. What you got questions or you know,

1557
01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff you want to make a comment about.

1558
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I got, I got, I got some comments and

1559
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.640
<v Speaker 3>questions and thoughts. I'm sorry you had a sick EP.

1560
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, Chuck that the public is stupid.

1561
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.000
<v Speaker 3>And I remember now, Corrict if I'm wrong, but I

1562
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:25.000
<v Speaker 3>remember reading a Bill O'Reilly book because my cousin really

1563
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:30.079
<v Speaker 3>encouraged me to want to read it was killing MacArthur

1564
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:35.199
<v Speaker 3>because I had read William Manchester's The American Chaser in

1565
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:37.920
<v Speaker 3>the past. And maybe I'm ball.

1566
01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:39.319
<v Speaker 4>Now.

1567
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Look, he wrote a bunch of those killing books. Me

1568
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Pete listed him. But before that, you know, he wrote

1569
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.199
<v Speaker 2>books about pretty much make America great again, bring it

1570
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.279
<v Speaker 2>back to the old days like it was when I

1571
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:54.079
<v Speaker 2>was a kid in Jersey was like four or five

1572
01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:56.199
<v Speaker 2>books before. I don't remember the names of these things,

1573
01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.199
<v Speaker 2>but they were super popular and they sold really well,

1574
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:02.239
<v Speaker 2>and I own and probably four books. I know, I

1575
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:05.359
<v Speaker 2>had one on audio that he read, and then I

1576
01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.399
<v Speaker 2>had a couple that I actually, you know, had the

1577
01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:10.279
<v Speaker 2>hardcover book and sat down and read. I actually read

1578
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly's books, and then unfortunately I read Killing Kennedy

1579
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>as well. But after that I was done. You know,

1580
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>we're killing Paton, and we're killing Jesus, and we're killing

1581
01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:23.520
<v Speaker 2>everybody you know in his series, but killing Kennedy I

1582
01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>actually read. Anyways, I'm gonna put Jimmy on with you by,

1583
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:31.800
<v Speaker 2>but go ahead and go go into your watergates. Hup, yeah,

1584
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:32.439
<v Speaker 2>let me let me.

1585
01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Go to a couple of thoughts, and then then I

1586
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:36.199
<v Speaker 3>would like to hear Jimmy's opinion on it.

1587
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:36.960
<v Speaker 9>You know.

1588
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.680
<v Speaker 3>One thing about May Brussell, I believe she had a

1589
01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:45.359
<v Speaker 3>degree in Stanford University and philosophy, so she just she

1590
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:48.920
<v Speaker 3>was taught how to think and not just what to think.

1591
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:52.279
<v Speaker 3>So it was really interesting that clip that you shared.

1592
01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:57.960
<v Speaker 3>It said that I caught My interests was the Korean CIA,

1593
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:02.600
<v Speaker 3>and I know as I'm listening to everything. A lot

1594
01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:05.079
<v Speaker 3>of this is going back to just always the same

1595
01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:08.960
<v Speaker 3>circle as Cold War politics, and I don't know. And

1596
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.159
<v Speaker 3>you also talked about John Dean. I remember reading the

1597
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:16.279
<v Speaker 3>book I think it was called Silent Coup, which also

1598
01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:19.039
<v Speaker 3>kind of emphasized that probably it had to do something

1599
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:23.800
<v Speaker 3>to the prostitutionery and is the involvement of moding in it.

1600
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:27.399
<v Speaker 3>And then Jefferson Morley came out with a book not

1601
01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:30.279
<v Speaker 3>too long ago called Scorpions Dance.

1602
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:30.520
<v Speaker 4>Which was.

1603
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Richard Helmes and Richard Nixon, the CIA and the presidency.

1604
01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:39.720
<v Speaker 3>But I kind of getting this, you know, Richard Nixon

1605
01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:43.640
<v Speaker 3>came out of that California, the Orange County. It was

1606
01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:47.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of a very anti communist John Birch Society type

1607
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:53.359
<v Speaker 3>of mentality. So any comments that maybe I brought out

1608
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:55.520
<v Speaker 3>that either here, Jimmy starts.

1609
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jimmy's on with you, so good.

1610
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:04.239
<v Speaker 10>Jimmy, Well, the one book you brought up was the

1611
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.920
<v Speaker 10>one I couldn't remember the title of from nineteen ninety

1612
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:12.920
<v Speaker 10>What can you remember? It's when I think by Lehn

1613
01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:14.000
<v Speaker 10>something or another.

1614
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:18.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Silent I remember I read it when it came out.

1615
01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:19.439
<v Speaker 3>It was a long time ago.

1616
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Silent Coop The Removal of the Silent Coop The Removal

1617
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:28.399
<v Speaker 2>of a President, which was published in nineteen ninety two

1618
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:34.079
<v Speaker 2>by Lynn Colin Me and Robert Geitlin.

1619
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that was jeez, I forget.

1620
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.039
<v Speaker 10>I don't know how come those names didn't roll off

1621
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:44.720
<v Speaker 10>my tongue.

1622
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, their name means they're not really easy ones. And

1623
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I had more le on about that Scorpions Dance book,

1624
01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:52.319
<v Speaker 2>by the way, But yeah, go ahead, Jimmy.

1625
01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:01.880
<v Speaker 10>As far as it was, Helm's also must him with Nickson?

1626
01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:03.199
<v Speaker 11>I don't.

1627
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1628
01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:07.800
<v Speaker 11>He might.

1629
01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:16.039
<v Speaker 10>I've always assumed so, but newer evidence suggests that I

1630
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:20.680
<v Speaker 10>may have been long. Perhaps it wasn't the CIA, perhaps

1631
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:22.279
<v Speaker 10>is more like the KGB.

1632
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Well see, I would contend that even if it is

1633
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:32.199
<v Speaker 2>CIA moles that are working for the KGB, at certain

1634
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:36.239
<v Speaker 2>points they might have collaborated together with other CIA people

1635
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:39.600
<v Speaker 2>on this particular operation. This may have nothing to do

1636
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:42.199
<v Speaker 2>with him being a KGB mole, the one guy you're

1637
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:45.039
<v Speaker 2>talking about, and could be a separate operation.

1638
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:45.680
<v Speaker 11>Right.

1639
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh So I got an open mind about this.

1640
01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:49.159
<v Speaker 4>What do we have?

1641
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:53.159
<v Speaker 2>I can only assuredly say, Jimmy and I and I

1642
01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:56.199
<v Speaker 2>say this with with the most conviction possible is that

1643
01:29:56.319 --> 01:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>this was orchestrated by intelligence operatives who would definitely part

1644
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>of that world.

1645
01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:02.479
<v Speaker 10>Uh.

1646
01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And this was the thing that actually brings Nixon down.

1647
01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not that he was such a master criminal. It's

1648
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.199
<v Speaker 2>not that he was so dirty. Uh, you know, was

1649
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:13.720
<v Speaker 2>he was he completely clean? No, he was a politician

1650
01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:16.239
<v Speaker 2>at the highest levels in America. You don't get there

1651
01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:20.439
<v Speaker 2>being completely clean in my mind. So, but was he

1652
01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:27.479
<v Speaker 2>basically intentionally targeted by people in the intelligence community in business? Absolutely,

1653
01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:31.199
<v Speaker 2>that's in my mind. But you know, you guys could

1654
01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>have a different opinion about it.

1655
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:40.319
<v Speaker 11>Good Jimmy, can I.

1656
01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Goodny?

1657
01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I remember because my my father, he was a businessman

1658
01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:55.479
<v Speaker 3>and he was a conservative Republican Nixon. Nixon was was

1659
01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:59.399
<v Speaker 3>who my household was all four and I remember the

1660
01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:02.880
<v Speaker 3>water Gate carings. You know, I was pretty young. I

1661
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:05.800
<v Speaker 3>watched enough until I wanted to go outside and play baseball.

1662
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:10.800
<v Speaker 3>But I remember when he resigned. My father said he

1663
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:13.760
<v Speaker 3>didn't excuse some of the actions, except that he said, well,

1664
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:17.119
<v Speaker 3>the cover up was the problem, and he was obviously

1665
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:21.199
<v Speaker 3>became apparentoly. But he says, once you reached so much power,

1666
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:25.359
<v Speaker 3>there's only one way that that is is down. And

1667
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:29.199
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting that after there was kind of a Daytani

1668
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:34.199
<v Speaker 3>opened up with China and Russia, and then when Ford

1669
01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:38.520
<v Speaker 3>got in there, who was a weaker candidate. I remember

1670
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.199
<v Speaker 3>that Daytante was it was kind of like starting up

1671
01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:44.359
<v Speaker 3>the call of war all of a sudden. But I

1672
01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.920
<v Speaker 3>thought it was very interesting with May Brussels, she was

1673
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>commenting about the Korean CIA, and I believe, you know,

1674
01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:55.439
<v Speaker 3>correctly from him. There was kind of a world anti

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<v Speaker 3>Iconomist league. There was a lot of the there was

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01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:04.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot of money saw it as a threat economically,

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01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the expansion of communism. So I could see if there

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01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:11.640
<v Speaker 3>was warm and fuzzy relations that there would be some

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01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:15.079
<v Speaker 3>dirty tricks to because I think I don't I think

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<v Speaker 3>Nixon's biggest problem is he kind of obstructed the justice

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01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:24.199
<v Speaker 3>and you know, you know, he made absurd comments like

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01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:27.479
<v Speaker 3>where it was like was it Robert Frost. He goes, well,

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01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:30.720
<v Speaker 3>when the president does something, that's not a crime, it's

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01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:32.239
<v Speaker 3>just it was. It was.

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01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:33.760
<v Speaker 11>It was a weird time.

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01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:36.800
<v Speaker 3>But I remember the reflection only in America that you

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01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:38.760
<v Speaker 3>can remove a president. There wouldn't be a buddy of

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01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.159
<v Speaker 3>rebevel or shape. I do remember those thoughts.

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01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Frost the Frost Nixon interview is profoundly interesting.

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01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>We have another caller. I'm going to bring Jimmy and

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01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Danny back on to continue the Watergate discussion, but I

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01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>want to give another caller a chance to get on.

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01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh six oh nine area code. Looks like you are

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01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:02.399
<v Speaker 2>live on the O'Kelly effects, So speak your mind, whatever

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01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>is on your mind, go for it.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm an old friend of this show, and I consider

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01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.319
<v Speaker 10>Chuck o'telly a dear friend of mine. And the whole

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01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.359
<v Speaker 10>reason I called in was to remind your listeners to

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01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.319
<v Speaker 10>go to otelly dot com, scroll to.

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01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:22.159
<v Speaker 11>The bottom of the homepage and donate.

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01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Folks.

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01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:27.560
<v Speaker 10>We need people like Chuck O'Kelly and his get let's

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01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:28.199
<v Speaker 10>keep them going.

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01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:30.680
<v Speaker 18>Well, it's regular Joe by the.

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01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Way, Ah, that's a sick Okay, that's not a nine.

1706
01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a nine O eight area code.

1707
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.399
<v Speaker 2>It's a six six in. Nevermind, we know who it is,

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01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>regular Joe. It is good to hear from you, brother, uh.

1709
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>And we heard from you earlier in the week. I

1710
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't know it was you calling in.

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01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:51.640
<v Speaker 17>Yeah, I ran into a crazy problem where I had

1712
01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:53.840
<v Speaker 17>to change my phone numbers, so I didn't know if

1713
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:55.439
<v Speaker 17>i'd ever given you the new one or not, so

1714
01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:57.720
<v Speaker 17>I want to save that one you had not.

1715
01:33:57.960 --> 01:33:59.119
<v Speaker 2>So I better make a note of it.

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01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:03.640
<v Speaker 3>But I'll puffing it in your gut.

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01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you, and you put it

1718
01:34:07.439 --> 01:34:09.079
<v Speaker 2>in the chat on Skype. Don't give it to the

1719
01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>world because God knows who'll call you man, Okay.

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01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:19.840
<v Speaker 17>Anyway, And also your guests are just great.

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01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:24.439
<v Speaker 19>VP Jimmy James, your caller Day from California.

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01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:27.159
<v Speaker 17>It's just it's just always good to tune in.

1723
01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:30.880
<v Speaker 10>And here's the otailing networks still going.

1724
01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to keep it going as as long

1725
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:39.119
<v Speaker 2>as I can, been over ten years now, and we're

1726
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:43.239
<v Speaker 2>still counting, you know, And I appreciate you and your contributions. Yeah,

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01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:43.560
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:48.640
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I've been listening and participating in.

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01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:50.159
<v Speaker 18>It for nine years now.

1730
01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Can you believe that?

1731
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Has it been that many?

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01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:53.000
<v Speaker 3>With you?

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01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that nine years.

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01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:56.800
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:57.039
<v Speaker 17>Yeah.

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01:34:57.319 --> 01:35:01.159
<v Speaker 18>I started started messaging you and listening to your show

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01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:03.439
<v Speaker 18>back in fifteen.

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01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I think I was on AFR at

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01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>that time, still right.

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01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:13.920
<v Speaker 18>You, Yeah, yeah, I found you through listening to Freeman

1741
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.760
<v Speaker 18>Fly for the very first time I'd ever listened to him,

1742
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.399
<v Speaker 18>and I heard the Greek, and the Greek promoted you,

1743
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:22.720
<v Speaker 18>and and I've been here ever since.

1744
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>There you go. So the Greek actually netted me one

1745
01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:31.279
<v Speaker 2>listener and here he is, which I love. But it's

1746
01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting story, and going all the way back,

1747
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize it was that far back. You know,

1748
01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I've come to think of you as sort of a

1749
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>fixture in my life. You're one of my friends. I

1750
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.479
<v Speaker 2>talked to you a lot more off air than on air,

1751
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:48.039
<v Speaker 2>so and who knows, I might even move to your

1752
01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:50.319
<v Speaker 2>to your area. I mean, we're going to try and

1753
01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>move at the beginning of this coming year. And it's

1754
01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:56.560
<v Speaker 2>possibility I might be your neighbors soon. I mean we

1755
01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:58.319
<v Speaker 2>almost did it a couple of years ago too, but

1756
01:35:58.720 --> 01:35:59.479
<v Speaker 2>we hit a snag.

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01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:00.319
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:03.119
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, yeah, and I might might be

1759
01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:04.600
<v Speaker 2>a neighbor of yours coming up soon.

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01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:07.319
<v Speaker 3>That would be great.

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01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:10.159
<v Speaker 19>And I'm actually going to try to visit you before fall,

1762
01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:14.039
<v Speaker 19>I mean almost. I set out to make the trip

1763
01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:16.439
<v Speaker 19>once and I made it almost Chattanooga, and I got

1764
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:19.840
<v Speaker 19>really tired and turned around and came home.

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01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, man, I appreciate you. I thank you for

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01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:26.359
<v Speaker 2>calling in. I didn't didn't know who I was interrupting

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01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>those two talking with, but but I'm glad. I'm actually

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01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>glad it was you, and I appreciate you encouraging people

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01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:33.720
<v Speaker 2>to go ahead and hit the donate button. I wasn't

1770
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>even gonna say anything tonight, but I do appreciate it because,

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01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>as I brought up at the beginning, you know, times

1772
01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:44.039
<v Speaker 2>are tough, and yeah, I'm taking in less and everything

1773
01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:46.680
<v Speaker 2>costs more, just like it does for I don't know everybody.

1774
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Uh so we're all in this together, man, and uh yeah,

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01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to keep it going, but you know I

1776
01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:55.720
<v Speaker 2>can't if I don't have help from you guys. It's

1777
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:59.199
<v Speaker 2>that simple. So I appreciate it. I appreciate you, Joe.

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01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you guys listening. But is there anything you

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01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.119
<v Speaker 2>want to add before we go back to the Watergate

1780
01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:06.319
<v Speaker 2>discussion between these.

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<v Speaker 19>Two No, No, I'd rather just listen to those two

1782
01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:13.800
<v Speaker 19>go go back and forth on the Watergate discussion and I'll.

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01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:16.960
<v Speaker 10>Just bow out and be a listener as I began

1784
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:18.399
<v Speaker 10>with the Otley Network.

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01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, man. I appreciate you, regular Joe, everybody, and

1786
01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I would give you his Twitter handle, but I think

1787
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:29.520
<v Speaker 2>he quit Twitter again recently. Yeah he did, and there

1788
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.479
<v Speaker 2>you go. So not a social media guys, but he's

1789
01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:37.439
<v Speaker 2>been along for this ride now for nine years. Didn't

1790
01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:41.199
<v Speaker 2>realize that, but probably one of the longest lasting listeners

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01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>actually nine years. Damn b Pete. When did you start

1792
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>listening to the show? Maybe I put Bpete to sleep?

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01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's see I will get Danny and

1794
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy back on. So Jimmy, maybe you wanted to respond

1795
01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>to what Danny was talking about? Oh Bpte, you were

1796
01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:10.279
<v Speaker 2>talking to mute button. Sorry man, But Jimmy, Jimmy, maybe

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01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:15.359
<v Speaker 2>you want to respond to Danny twenty sixteen. Oh cool,

1798
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>So that's eight years right there. You're just one year

1799
01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:22.039
<v Speaker 2>behind Joe anyways. Yeah, and you've been participating here for

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01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>what at least six years?

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01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:27.000
<v Speaker 4>Right about that? I think you.

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01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyways, so Jimmy, Nathan something like that. So Jimmy,

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01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:35.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe you want to maybe you want to respond to Danny. Jimmy,

1804
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:38.199
<v Speaker 2>because we got about sixteen more minutes left here in

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01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:40.600
<v Speaker 2>this hour before we have to turn it over to

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01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:43.399
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Franz. So yeah, go ahead, man.

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<v Speaker 10>Well thanks to working there too. The nice penments and

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01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:56.399
<v Speaker 10>to Danny, I thought I responded to the last pins,

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01:38:57.199 --> 01:38:58.800
<v Speaker 10>we'll lose your question, Danny.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just kind of some thoughts about you know,

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01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Kelway's comes back to the Cold War. You know, it

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01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:13.600
<v Speaker 3>made Brussels Fox You talked about the Korean CIA, and

1813
01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:17.279
<v Speaker 3>that always made me think about some of their activities.

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01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it was called the World Anti Communist League,

1815
01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:22.000
<v Speaker 3>and you know, now I was thinking.

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01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:22.359
<v Speaker 4>More about it.

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01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:25.560
<v Speaker 3>You know that they were heavily involved with the with

1818
01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:29.800
<v Speaker 3>the Moonies and you know Roger Stone and dirty Tricks

1819
01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:33.600
<v Speaker 3>and it could be KGV. I mean, Angleton's closest friend,

1820
01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:38.239
<v Speaker 3>wasn't it Phil Kilby, you know, and about it was

1821
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:41.680
<v Speaker 3>there's definitely seems like it was a takedown. You know,

1822
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:44.560
<v Speaker 3>it was a sloppy operation. You know, they're meant to

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01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:48.039
<v Speaker 3>get caught. So it just always seems to come back

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01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:51.039
<v Speaker 3>to dirty tricks and the Cold War, because I remember

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01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:55.720
<v Speaker 3>in the Ford administration, uh, all the day taught kind

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01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:59.600
<v Speaker 3>of more moving towards some fuzzy feelings with her, with her,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I suppose it was it was changing, it

1828
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:07.319
<v Speaker 3>was it was getting a little more it was falling

1829
01:40:07.399 --> 01:40:11.680
<v Speaker 3>out the warm feelings. So I appreciate the information to

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01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:13.199
<v Speaker 3>I find it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 11>Well acutely, I agree.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean that that's what makes this in the JFK assassination,

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01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:32.960
<v Speaker 10>the complications to win. I mean, you were you were there,

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01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:35.760
<v Speaker 10>I was there, we were all there. And the war

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01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:38.680
<v Speaker 10>it's just so own emstasy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it.

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01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.319
<v Speaker 10>Literally was half the world against the other half of

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<v Speaker 10>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Mhmm. And who was that other guy that was constantly

1840
01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:55.319
<v Speaker 2>running for president? I can't believe in blanking on his

1841
01:40:55.479 --> 01:40:56.720
<v Speaker 2>name for many years.

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<v Speaker 13>Uh.

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01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:00.199
<v Speaker 2>There was also kind of like really in the tick

1844
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>of things, but was always on the strange sort of

1845
01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:08.039
<v Speaker 2>outside of it. Uh, he was like a continuous president Laruche.

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01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.439
<v Speaker 2>That's it. The Laruche people were highly active at that

1847
01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:15.880
<v Speaker 2>time too, right, Yes, yes.

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01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:18.760
<v Speaker 3>They were involved in a lot of a lot of crazy.

1849
01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:20.520
<v Speaker 4>I remember.

1850
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Was the governor from Alabama, Wallace Sea Lings. You know,

1851
01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:30.000
<v Speaker 3>there there were some strange stuff going on. I remember

1852
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:32.439
<v Speaker 3>it was also too. I think it was a Shirley Chisholm.

1853
01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:34.439
<v Speaker 3>She wrote a piece of freedom.

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<v Speaker 13>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Laruche, the Laruge people still exist as an organization.

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01:41:43.239 --> 01:41:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean a few years back and now it's many

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01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:49.279
<v Speaker 2>years back, but seems real recent to me, I got

1858
01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>like accosted by Larouge people outside of a post office

1859
01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:55.520
<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey for a minute. Uh, and they were

1860
01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:57.399
<v Speaker 2>just all about trying to get me to buy a

1861
01:41:57.439 --> 01:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>fifty dollar book about you know how Bara Black Obama

1862
01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:05.680
<v Speaker 2>is a complete, completely fabricated creation of the CIA and

1863
01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:11.319
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. And meanwhile Supportland and LaRouche. Uh. And

1864
01:42:11.439 --> 01:42:13.359
<v Speaker 2>it was just wild. They had like a card table

1865
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>set up outside of the post office in Forked River,

1866
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, which I found strange, you know, like there's

1867
01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:25.960
<v Speaker 2>an outreach program for you. But yeah, it was definitely

1868
01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:29.119
<v Speaker 2>a different time in the seventies. I mean talk about

1869
01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:31.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, you were just talking about Kamalaw, you know,

1870
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:34.479
<v Speaker 2>not winning a primary in this and that. I mean

1871
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I harken back always to Gerald Ford being the guy

1872
01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>who wasn't elected president or vice president and wounds up

1873
01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>becoming president, right, you know, It's like it happened, and

1874
01:42:47.720 --> 01:42:51.439
<v Speaker 2>it's weird. And meanwhile, I mean I just kind of

1875
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>dropped forward into the uh snitch for the FBI kind

1876
01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>of you know category because of his time on the

1877
01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Warren Commission. You know, remember he was one of the

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01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:02.479
<v Speaker 2>seven commissioners.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, but interestingly, I from what I've seen, did you

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01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:13.880
<v Speaker 12>see that did I posted about James Jesus Ankle tim

1881
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:15.960
<v Speaker 12>being such a prolific uh.

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<v Speaker 10>Source for the FBI? They literally were sitting saying that

1883
01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:24.159
<v Speaker 10>they might have to open up another wing.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm No, I don't think I saw that piece.

1885
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<v Speaker 10>Well, that's pre pertinent. I mean this is internal FBI documents.

1886
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<v Speaker 10>They said, he just constantly gives us so much information

1887
01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:44.399
<v Speaker 10>there's no point of even giving him a fake name.

1888
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<v Speaker 10>This and that he's an he's already our source.

1889
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<v Speaker 2>H yeah. No, Look, if you.

1890
01:43:55.760 --> 01:44:02.640
<v Speaker 10>Volumeless information, question was was it true or was it fake?

1891
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<v Speaker 11>Or was it what was he doing?

1892
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<v Speaker 2>See, there's the problem with Angleton because sometimes he fabricated

1893
01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>things in order to create a response. Right, So, I

1894
01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:18.279
<v Speaker 2>mean this is the issue with counterintelligence. You know, sometimes

1895
01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:22.319
<v Speaker 2>you create stuff in order to elicit a response from

1896
01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:25.720
<v Speaker 2>an opponent. Even it's a weird world you get into,

1897
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you know. I always like to point to the how

1898
01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>did MK ultra get started? Well, realistically, they had rumors

1899
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:37.640
<v Speaker 2>that turned out to not be true about the Soviet programs.

1900
01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Now there were Soviet programs, but they weren't the ones

1901
01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:43.520
<v Speaker 2>that they were being told about. And they create mk

1902
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Ultra as a response to it, and that thing flowered

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01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:51.439
<v Speaker 2>into a rather fascinating thing of its own, didn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so one wonders sometimes if the counterintelligence people

1906
01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in some cases like Engleton and will wind up doing

1907
01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:06.079
<v Speaker 2>more harm than good when they're fabricating things. And I mean,

1908
01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of this on a very surface level.

1909
01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fan of the guy or anything, but

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01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:13.399
<v Speaker 2>but I'm also not one of these oh my god,

1911
01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:17.119
<v Speaker 2>he's part of like the Dermonica, you know whatever. It's weird.

1912
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<v Speaker 2>It's like legitimately what goes on in those strange lands

1913
01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:25.119
<v Speaker 2>where they create stuff and create fake people and fake

1914
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:29.159
<v Speaker 2>institutions and fake operations and fake weapons and all that,

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01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:34.319
<v Speaker 2>and then our agencies, our government people are above boards.

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<v Speaker 2>People respond and respond to something as if it is

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01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.560
<v Speaker 2>legitimate when it might have been fabricated by guess what

1918
01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:44.279
<v Speaker 2>your own people. I mean, it gets into a weird

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01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:46.199
<v Speaker 2>nexus of things, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 11>Jimmy, Yeah, I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 10>Kind of petty Helms having the full n Senko that think.

1922
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<v Speaker 10>Clearly history is still that Helms's thought was correct. Of course,

1923
01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:07.760
<v Speaker 10>this guy is full of craft. The KGBS is all

1924
01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:11.000
<v Speaker 10>over Oswald like stink tampoop.

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01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they got nothing out of them. That was

1926
01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the thing about Oswald. They got zero. They were like,

1927
01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, wow, they couldn't believe the level of nothing

1928
01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:27.000
<v Speaker 2>they got at Oswald from what I understand.

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<v Speaker 10>Sure, but maybe their whole point was to get Marina here.

1930
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<v Speaker 11>Well there's something else.

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<v Speaker 10>I have no idea because it wasn't investigated properly. There

1932
01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:42.560
<v Speaker 10>you go to figure stuff out there.

1933
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<v Speaker 2>And there's the key at the end of the day. Right,

1934
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<v Speaker 2>It's sad when you're getting more information from Ernst Tintovitz

1935
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:53.720
<v Speaker 2>book about Lee Harvey Oswald than you can from the

1936
01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:58.039
<v Speaker 2>alleged investigations, right, I mean, do you get more legitimate

1937
01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:00.399
<v Speaker 2>information about this guy? I mean they had nothing on

1938
01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>him in Russia? Right, or Minsk? Really he was actually

1939
01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:07.119
<v Speaker 2>in Belarus, Plarius however you want to say it. But

1940
01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, truthfully, you get more out of Ernest Tittabitt's

1941
01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:13.319
<v Speaker 2>books than you do add any of the declassified stuff

1942
01:47:13.359 --> 01:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to that time period in Lee Harby

1943
01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Oswald's life. I mean, it's wild. You agree or disagree, Jimmy.

1944
01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:29.840
<v Speaker 10>I absolutely agree, and I appreciate Professor Hancock in particular's work.

1945
01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:30.880
<v Speaker 11>In the last year to.

1946
01:47:33.800 --> 01:47:38.840
<v Speaker 10>Really deepprogramming me of this idea that Lee Harb Oswald

1947
01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:45.600
<v Speaker 10>was somehow secretly John Berts Society hard wing Republican, which

1948
01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:49.880
<v Speaker 10>I just because everyone in the community all I said it,

1949
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:52.680
<v Speaker 10>I just I don't know, I took it for granted.

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<v Speaker 11>I guess. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is a lot of that stuff is more

1952
01:47:56.680 --> 01:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>about these people's preconceived notions and prejudices than it is

1953
01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:04.159
<v Speaker 2>about what's actually in the evidence when they come to

1954
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:08.640
<v Speaker 2>categoriz characterizing somebody. And there was a point in time

1955
01:48:08.760 --> 01:48:12.279
<v Speaker 2>when the majority of the assassination you know, research community

1956
01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:17.359
<v Speaker 2>was left wing. It's not like that now, and it

1957
01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:20.520
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been for a long time, but that stuff still

1958
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:23.680
<v Speaker 2>resonates because people are still referring back to this old work.

1959
01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>That's why I think it's great that Larry's you know,

1960
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:31.279
<v Speaker 2>redoing it right, actually writing a whole new volume on Oswald,

1961
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:33.119
<v Speaker 2>which should be out by the end of the year.

1962
01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I hope. You know, we're not sure if Skyhorse is

1963
01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:37.640
<v Speaker 2>going to take it or it's going to be a

1964
01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:43.960
<v Speaker 2>smaller publisher, but I've seen some of it and it's

1965
01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:48.119
<v Speaker 2>a hell of a refresh on Lee Harvey Oswald from

1966
01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:51.399
<v Speaker 2>a very sober point of view, and I think it

1967
01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:53.560
<v Speaker 2>would be very helpful if people will actually take it

1968
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:58.000
<v Speaker 2>for what it is, which is very solid and well

1969
01:48:58.199 --> 01:49:03.720
<v Speaker 2>constructed assembly of facts and knowledge about this this character

1970
01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:08.520
<v Speaker 2>in history. And again he reassesses and reevaluates his own

1971
01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>points of view even in this thing. And one thing

1972
01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:14.319
<v Speaker 2>you can say about Larry is that he's honest and

1973
01:49:14.439 --> 01:49:17.840
<v Speaker 2>responsible about the work he puts out. And I think

1974
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:20.239
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be probably you know a lot

1975
01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>of people are gonna hate him over it, but but

1976
01:49:23.159 --> 01:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be a great book when

1977
01:49:24.680 --> 01:49:29.279
<v Speaker 2>he actually releases these Oswald puzzle pieces or the Oswald

1978
01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Puzzle whatever they're gonna call it. Uh, it's going to

1979
01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:33.840
<v Speaker 2>be a hell of a book. Man.

1980
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<v Speaker 10>You so appreciate him a lot, absolutely, just through his

1981
01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:48.720
<v Speaker 10>talks on this very show. You know, this is kind

1982
01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:51.880
<v Speaker 10>of what helped me I say, dog gone it.

1983
01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:52.279
<v Speaker 3>You know what.

1984
01:49:53.119 --> 01:49:56.840
<v Speaker 10>This may sound crazy, but I think Lee Harvey Oswald

1985
01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:59.079
<v Speaker 10>was actually pretty darned liberal.

1986
01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.359
<v Speaker 2>In some ways. In some ways, he was, you know,

1987
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:07.800
<v Speaker 2>a mixed bag like most people that are saying really

1988
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:11.880
<v Speaker 2>are where you don't get you know, absolutely lockstep with

1989
01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:17.039
<v Speaker 2>the prescribed whatever. You got a mixed bag here. He

1990
01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:18.880
<v Speaker 2>was a guy who was not happy with the way

1991
01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the system treated him. And if you think about his

1992
01:50:21.880 --> 01:50:23.479
<v Speaker 2>early experiences in life.

1993
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<v Speaker 10>Good I agree, I agree he was being used, but

1994
01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:31.640
<v Speaker 10>I think that he thought he was doing.

1995
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<v Speaker 11>Right things.

1996
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<v Speaker 10>But I think he absolutely was a leftist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. But but again from this guided point

1998
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<v Speaker 2>of view, you know, your own experience. I've tried to

1999
01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:46.560
<v Speaker 2>explain this on this very show often, is that your

2000
01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:51.359
<v Speaker 2>own experiences will shape how you view things. And you know,

2001
01:50:51.560 --> 01:50:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Oswald the way he came up, he had this mother

2002
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:57.199
<v Speaker 2>that had some kind of personality disorder. He's you know,

2003
01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:01.159
<v Speaker 2>being sent to orphanages, and he's a truant, and you know,

2004
01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>he's got a learning problem. I mean, he's got all

2005
01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>kinds of things going on, and the system is not

2006
01:51:06.760 --> 01:51:09.640
<v Speaker 2>helping him, and the people around him are not helping him,

2007
01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and his family around him is not helping him. So

2008
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:14.439
<v Speaker 2>what does he seek to do to be a contrarian?

2009
01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:15.680
<v Speaker 11>You know?

2010
01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:19.600
<v Speaker 2>And was he legitimately like a Castro supporter. I don't know.

2011
01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not certain about that. But for a guy to

2012
01:51:23.279 --> 01:51:26.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, be chafing against the American system,

2013
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>the way it is. If his own experience has shaped

2014
01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the way he sees it, maybe it makes a lot

2015
01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of sense that he does that, you know, just saying

2016
01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:39.359
<v Speaker 2>it's a possibility. And again I'm not going for the

2017
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:42.239
<v Speaker 2>whole he's a James Bond type character or he's the

2018
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:45.039
<v Speaker 2>mastermind of anything, whether you know you want to say

2019
01:51:45.079 --> 01:51:46.439
<v Speaker 2>he's the assassin or he's.

2020
01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.960
<v Speaker 10>I think he's. I mean, everyone that pretty much agrees

2021
01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:57.159
<v Speaker 10>he was being used. I liked his mother's comment once

2022
01:51:57.199 --> 01:52:00.520
<v Speaker 10>she quoted him, when she says, well, what come back

2023
01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:06.319
<v Speaker 10>for and he said not even Marina knows that. I'm like,

2024
01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:10.840
<v Speaker 10>well that much. That pretty much sums up Oswald.

2025
01:52:11.039 --> 01:52:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Vagary, Yeah, vagary confusion. And quite honestly, he was twenty

2026
01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:19.880
<v Speaker 2>four when he died. So was he fully matured even

2027
01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:24.439
<v Speaker 2>in his ideas, his orientation, his person in general. No,

2028
01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>he was twenty four years old when he got that

2029
01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:30.239
<v Speaker 2>gut shot in the basement there at the Dallas you know,

2030
01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:35.279
<v Speaker 2>public Safety building. So dude, if you're twenty four years old,

2031
01:52:35.479 --> 01:52:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you still got a lot to learn, and you might

2032
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.439
<v Speaker 2>have a couple of chips on your shoulder. Maybe that

2033
01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:43.079
<v Speaker 2>was him, and maybe that's all it was, And somebody

2034
01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:47.359
<v Speaker 2>used him. Now we need to figure out why, you know,

2035
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:50.000
<v Speaker 2>but as it goes, we should be honest about the

2036
01:52:50.119 --> 01:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>character he was, as opposed to trying to build him

2037
01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>into something or you know, writing fan fiction about lost romances. Anyways,

2038
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go ahead and close out Danny with you,

2039
01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:04.279
<v Speaker 2>give Jimmy James a final word, and then give Bpte

2040
01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.119
<v Speaker 2>a final word, and then quite frankly, we're going to

2041
01:53:07.159 --> 01:53:10.399
<v Speaker 2>be onto the age of transitions. So Danny, thanks for

2042
01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.199
<v Speaker 2>calling in, regular Joe, thanks for calling in. Jimmy James

2043
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:17.199
<v Speaker 2>as always, thank you, but go ahead and drop a

2044
01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:19.119
<v Speaker 2>final word on us, and then I'll turn it over

2045
01:53:19.159 --> 01:53:20.479
<v Speaker 2>to be Pete to close out the show.

2046
01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:26.720
<v Speaker 10>Thanks for all the other callers. Peace out.

2047
01:53:28.159 --> 01:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>There, you go, short and sweet from the one and

2048
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>only Jimmy James. And next week I'll give you an

2049
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:39.119
<v Speaker 2>update on his fan club. So because I did make contact,

2050
01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:42.199
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't gotten resolutions on my questions, so i'll

2051
01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:44.319
<v Speaker 2>give you the update next week. I'm Jimmy James's fan

2052
01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:48.479
<v Speaker 2>club on Facebook. B Pete, go ahead, my friend, what

2053
01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:51.680
<v Speaker 2>do you think of this week's rather dynamic show?

2054
01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I hate it's over. It flies by fast

2055
01:53:57.039 --> 01:53:57.920
<v Speaker 4>once we keep going.

2056
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<v Speaker 5>Just want to I appreciate everybody that called in regular

2057
01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Joe and Danny and Jimmy James, and I'm glad.

2058
01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:10.199
<v Speaker 20>We could have this discussion. I remind everybody again, uh,

2059
01:54:10.680 --> 01:54:12.920
<v Speaker 20>just like regular Joe did, go to Telly dot com

2060
01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:16.359
<v Speaker 20>and hit the donate button and support your local food

2061
01:54:16.399 --> 01:54:18.359
<v Speaker 20>bank if you can do something to help your neighbors

2062
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<v Speaker 20>out mother that I'm glad we got another weekend and

2063
01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:24.119
<v Speaker 20>looking forward to next week doing it again.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, and I concur with everything my coast said,

2065
01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.800
<v Speaker 2>but also want to tell you guys that I appreciate you,

2066
01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:32.640
<v Speaker 2>and I do mean you guys in the chat room.

2067
01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>You guys just listening to us on the phones whatever else.

2068
01:54:36.039 --> 01:54:38.039
<v Speaker 2>If you go to the live chatter o'chelly dot com

2069
01:54:38.159 --> 01:54:41.359
<v Speaker 2>face shifted a man over there keeping it alive all

2070
01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the time. Next up is Aaron Franz in the Age

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01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of Transitions on Ocelli dot com Radio, and this weekend

2072
01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:50.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely going to have to do some DJ shows

2073
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:53.319
<v Speaker 2>because I got some new short attention span DJ theater

2074
01:54:53.680 --> 01:54:58.079
<v Speaker 2>tracks to roll out. Anyway, Thank you be, Pete my

2075
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<v Speaker 2>co host, and thank all of you be because after

2076
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<v Speaker 2>all Emmelia o'chelly. All of you are the effect