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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue and Sider. Dick Gabriel with

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<v Speaker 1>you on a Monday edition of our show. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the usual Big Blue Insider, not the state wide because

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<v Speaker 1>of basketball. Tomorrow on the road, the Wildcats take on

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<v Speaker 1>Clemson part of the acc SEC Challenge. It is listed

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<v Speaker 1>as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine to thirty start. You know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be closer to ten o'clock. But just stay up

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<v Speaker 1>a little later, you know, pot of coffee, all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Catcher seven to zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Just an incredible start for Mark Pope's team. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>that surprising given the schedule. With all due respect, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many people expected the Wildcats to

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<v Speaker 1>be duke or to average one hundred points a game

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<v Speaker 1>at home ninety five plus overall. Don't know if the

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<v Speaker 1>Cats will get that at Clemson. But whatever happens, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear it right here on six thirty WLAP tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 1>with Tom Leach and with Jack Gibbons, who's having the

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<v Speaker 1>time of his life watching these kids shoot the basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so much fun. And I've I've teased him

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<v Speaker 1>here on the show. I just love hearing Jack giggle

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<v Speaker 1>when when the shots start going down and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's never met a shot he didn't like. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a lot of fun so far. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the man. Now. The women play an ACC team.

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<v Speaker 1>They play at North Carolina. They go to Chapel Hill

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday, and we'll have that one for you right

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<v Speaker 1>here as well. Darren Hedrick as the action for you

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<v Speaker 1>at five pm, four forty five pregame UK women. Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks his team off to a great start as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Volleyball begins on Thursday as well. The Wildcats last night

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<v Speaker 1>learned that they will indeed host. They'll play Cleveland State

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<v Speaker 1>coming up a little bit later on. We're gonna hear

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<v Speaker 1>from Craig Skinner. We'll have more on from the players tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>But we got a lot to do tonight, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, So we'll hear from Craig Skinner later on.

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<v Speaker 1>About drawing into the seam they call it a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>the regional whatever, with Pittsburgh top seeded, top ranked, and

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<v Speaker 1>guess who plays Pittsburgh to open up Morehead State.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, So you got UK.

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<v Speaker 1>In the tournament, u OFL hosting Morehead State, and Western

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky is back in the tournament, so the state of

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky well represented when it comes to college volleyball.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to get the football.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're gonna keep talking about football for a while

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot to do. If your Mark sto

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<v Speaker 1>if you know this, but an embarrassing performance against the

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals of Louisville on Saturday, very disappointing, and I picked

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky by one point in the harrowd Leaders survey. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I said was presuming Kentucky goes plus two or

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<v Speaker 1>better in turnovers, otherwise it could be a long afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>And guess what they turned the ball over.

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<v Speaker 2>It was horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>The way Kentucky turned the ball over never gave itself

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<v Speaker 1>a chance. Plus, it couldn't stop the run. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats don't turn it over, I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>they win because they could not stop the run, which

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<v Speaker 1>is something they did so well early in the years.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been an incredibly frustrating, as you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>confusing team compared to what Mark Stoops.

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<v Speaker 2>Has had in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>And that in mind our friend Mark's story asked a

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<v Speaker 1>great question in the postgame press conference. I wasn't there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I watched it after the fact, and he talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that Stoops teams have been known in

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<v Speaker 1>the past for discipline and finishing games. That's why one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons his program has been so successful. And

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't see it this year, did we? And Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Stoops admitted as much.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think this year, you know, we didn't do

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<v Speaker 3>a good enough job in an in any area. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's just no ways around it. You know, we we

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<v Speaker 3>failed in that area. You know, we didn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>discipline that we needed. You know, we didn't play as

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<v Speaker 3>good as we needed to. We didn't have a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as there's every level needs to improve, you know, an

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<v Speaker 3>accountability needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think again I've mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you've seen that, you know, throughout the sec

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<v Speaker 3>the difficulty of just just constantly thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to go to a bowl game every year. Again,

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<v Speaker 5>it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's three of sixteen teams have gone to

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<v Speaker 3>eight straight. So we've we've been pretty consistent, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to that, I'll defend you know what I mean this

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<v Speaker 3>year there is no defense on that. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>agree with you. It's just not good enough. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like you know, we don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>how to do it. You know, we got to have

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<v Speaker 3>good players, we have to have good coaches. We got

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<v Speaker 3>to all do our part, and you know that that

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<v Speaker 3>part excites me.

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<v Speaker 1>Toward the end of the news conference, somebody asked Duops

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that the fan frustration is really whipped

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<v Speaker 1>up now on social media and elsewhere, and Stoop said

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<v Speaker 1>he understands the frustration. He is as frustrated as the

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<v Speaker 1>fans are.

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<v Speaker 5>I could promise you that we're going to get back

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<v Speaker 5>to work. We'll get it fixed.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, the the misery index, you know, goes around.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it goes around.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, for myself, you know it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I've been around a long time, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Really concerned and concentrating and excited about the rebuild.

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<v Speaker 5>Fans got to wait a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I get to go to work tomorrow, and

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<v Speaker 3>for that, I understand it, accept it, and I could

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<v Speaker 3>promise you we'll go to work to get the team

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<v Speaker 3>back to being a team that they could be.

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<v Speaker 5>Very proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>After the news conference, Stoops comes upstairs. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>way it works every day or every Saturday and does

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<v Speaker 1>as ready show with Tom. So that's why sometimes on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio. He refers to his news conference, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>already got his thoughts in order, and he's been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about changes for quite some time because well, they have

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<v Speaker 1>to be made obviously, not just in the way they

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<v Speaker 1>do things, but personnel. They've not done a great job

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<v Speaker 1>lately within the portal identifying players and you know, doing

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<v Speaker 1>the best you can with them. So he talked to

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<v Speaker 1>Tom about the fact that almost immediately changes would begin

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<v Speaker 1>within the program, but don't look for a change at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 5>There's going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be you know, new you know, incoming freshmen, there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be incoming portal, and there's probably going to be

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<v Speaker 3>some surprises, let's be honest, and and and there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a surprise and uh and you know again,

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<v Speaker 3>we won't flinch. It's not like we're gonna like it

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. If you lose somebody, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not the end all be ah. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's ways to replace you know, everybody, And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't want to say that about.

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<v Speaker 5>Me right now, because everybody will jump on that bandwagon.

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<v Speaker 6>Tell me if it.

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<v Speaker 3>Replaced me, everybody wants to replace me, right now, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going anywhere. My butt is going to work

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow and I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna be motivated

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<v Speaker 3>as hell to get get this thing fixed and get better.

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<v Speaker 3>So anybody that's wishful thinking that I'm not gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>able tomorrow's has got the wrong wish because my butt

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<v Speaker 3>will be in my office and we will. I can

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<v Speaker 3>promise you we will attack this offseason and there's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>for under lighthearted about it.

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<v Speaker 5>But I know, you know, if you can't laugh at.

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<v Speaker 3>Yourself for a moment, you know what I mean, then heck,

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<v Speaker 3>you know I know, I know it's I know it hurts.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I said it in my press conference. I so appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>the fan base.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to admit Big Blue Nation. I was

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<v Speaker 1>surprised and delighted and then mortified all in one afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>on your behalf because I just didn't think there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>much of a crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought there would.

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<v Speaker 1>Be more Louisville fans quite frankly, but I know from

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<v Speaker 1>talking to my friends and relatives over the Thanksgiving weekend

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<v Speaker 1>that they were bracing themselves for another major letdown against Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>They are so tired of seeing their team lose the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't nearly as confident as Harry Douglas was. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw him on one of the shows, probably ESPN. But basically,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Douglas was a terrific receiver in college and played

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<v Speaker 1>a long time in the pros and I had forgotten this.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this Stev got a loose game in seven

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Douglas caught three touchdown passes. So that game still

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<v Speaker 1>frustrates him, and naturally he was going to predict when

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<v Speaker 1>they asked him, Yeah, it's a big Louisville win. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear much of that from Louisville fans because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, Kentucky's owned Louisville of late plus every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Brohm's team every year's only been there a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. But it happened to Purdue. They pull off

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<v Speaker 1>a big upset and then lose to a weaker team. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as one of my relatives said, we don't know which

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville team is going to show up. Well, the good

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<v Speaker 1>one did and the bad Kentucky team showed up. And

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<v Speaker 1>Stoop's talked about discipline lack. He's talked about it for

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<v Speaker 1>the last several weeks, lack of on field discipline, lack

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<v Speaker 1>of leadership from older players, and I had heard some

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<v Speaker 1>whispers about that coming from practice.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bad mix. That's what happens with.

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<v Speaker 1>Teams sometimes, and that's on the coaching staff because they're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who mixed it up.

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<v Speaker 2>They have really no perfect way of knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>What it's going to be like when you pull players

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<v Speaker 1>out of the portal, mix them with veterans, throwing some freshmen.

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<v Speaker 1>In the past, they've had tremendous success, ten wins success.

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<v Speaker 1>You get a guy like Courtney Love from Nebraska, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get to play a whole lot of Nebraska, played really

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<v Speaker 1>well at Kentucky. They get a former All American, well

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<v Speaker 1>once on an All American always Pops Johnson from Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>He spends much of the year injured, so never really

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<v Speaker 1>got a chance to play the way we expected him

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<v Speaker 1>to play, with the kind of skill set that brought

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<v Speaker 1>him to Georgia and made him an All American. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, you got to throw in the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Eric Jackson was hurt, and I know it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like an excuse, but he was the pivot man when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the run defense, communicating and making plays.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a big, big setback losing him at first

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<v Speaker 1>we thought for a week or two, then the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the year that's what happened. But to me, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest problems and it will keep up on

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<v Speaker 1>being a problem with Mark Stoops and his staff unless

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<v Speaker 1>they figure out a better way to evaluate talent in

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<v Speaker 1>the portal, is the fact that we're now in the

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<v Speaker 1>portal era. That's not going away. There may be some

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<v Speaker 1>guardrails put up for nil, but the portal's not going away.

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<v Speaker 1>They may tweak it a little bit, but you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep on seeing player movement like this, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be vital to college sports. And what that did,

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<v Speaker 2>They rebuilt this program, they rebuilt the culture, and it

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<v Speaker 1>But they did it the way good programs do. They

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<v Speaker 1>brought in. People would always ask me, what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>it happen with recruiting, evaluation, coaching, game plans. Well, how

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<v Speaker 1>has come nowhere near the quality of the old big

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<v Speaker 1>coaching changes and misevaluations and the old line just could

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<v Speaker 1>not keep up. Some guys did, some guys didn't, and

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<v Speaker 1>moving the change, scoring points, but it also dictates how

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<v Speaker 1>long your defense will be on the field, and Kentucky's

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<v Speaker 1>defense this year spent way too much time on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>The best defense is less defense, and you go back

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<v Speaker 1>and look at the most successful stoops teams, Fewer minutes

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<v Speaker 1>on the field for the defense, and better field position

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<v Speaker 1>for the offense. I would love to break it down,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure somebody will field positioned consistently. This year

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<v Speaker 1>for Kentucky was terrible, and with an offense that was sputtering.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you're averaging, That's what it's amazing if they

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot to do and we're going to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About it over the next few weeks, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have a lot of guests on to chat

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that people talk about it's Kentucky just a

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<v Speaker 1>basketball school. No, you know why it's a football school now?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you had a clunker of a season right. That

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<v Speaker 1>followed a lot of success. Eight straight Bowl games, back

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<v Speaker 1>to back seven wins seasons that back in the day

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<v Speaker 1>people thought was absolutely impossible, and prior to those, a

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<v Speaker 1>ten wins season. And yet Kentucky fans want to fire

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<v Speaker 1>their coach. Now that's what happens at football schools. If

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<v Speaker 1>Now you know you're a football school. Back to talkson

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<v Speaker 1>volleyball live here on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Blue and Sider. It is tournament time for

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<v Speaker 1>the UK volleyball team, and I'm sure you know by

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<v Speaker 1>now they will host. The Wildcats will a subregional Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>at number three seed in the Volleyball Championship Tournament and

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<v Speaker 1>the Cats will host Western Kentucky, Minnesota, and Cleveland State

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Matches are on Thursday, beginning at four thirty

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<v Speaker 1>with Minnesota and Western Kentucky. Then the Wildcats at seven

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock take on Cleveland State, and the championship match for

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<v Speaker 1>the sub regional the next night at seven point thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't get the historic Memorial Coliseum, well, the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth consecutive tournament appearance under head coach Craig Skinner, who,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is the SEC Coach of the Year

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<v Speaker 1>once again. Brooklyn Delay is the Player of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year she was Freshman of the Year. Now she's

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<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year. This is twenty five trips now

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<v Speaker 1>to the NCA Tournament for the Wildcats, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the COVID year twenty twenty which stretched over

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<v Speaker 1>into the spring of twenty one, the Wildcats won the

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<v Speaker 1>national championship. Each of the last two years they got

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<v Speaker 1>to the sweet sixteen, and quite frankly, last year a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us thought the Cats would go farther than

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<v Speaker 1>the sweet sixteen. They did too, but it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They're looking to go farther this time. Oh and I

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<v Speaker 1>told just seven seven thirty whatever on Friday that could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially change based on what they call TV selection. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have the information for you here and on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>so well. UK Volleyball on Twitter and at UK Athletics

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Craig Skinner and his team meeting last night

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<v Speaker 1>at the Coliseum to watch the selection show, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was not one of the teams that had a live

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<v Speaker 1>camera pointed at it, like, for instance, Morehead State, which

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<v Speaker 1>got the short straw, the shortest straw of all. The

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles will play Pittsburgh in pittsburgh opening game. Pittsburgh, top seeded,

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<v Speaker 1>top ranked Moreheads say, look, just take a set off

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<v Speaker 2>But that's gonna be tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Pitt is really really good. But you know, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to see Moreheads kids celebrating some of the other teams

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But Kentucky's become such a fixture now in

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<v Speaker 1>the nca tournament that they don't burst into chairs. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they applauded, they were happy, they smiled, They knew they

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna host, they knew they'd be in a tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they want to get down to business.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Skinner talked to us afterwards and told us how

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's cool because a guy used to play against

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<v Speaker 6>in college is the head coach at Cleveland State, so

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<v Speaker 6>we get to relive a little rivalry here. But Chuck

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<v Speaker 6>he was at Ohio State. I was at ball State,

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<v Speaker 6>So we had some rivalries, but I mean it's every

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<v Speaker 6>no different. And you know, get the chance to play

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<v Speaker 6>at home, which is awesome, and be in front of

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<v Speaker 6>on the other side with Western and Minnesota, both have

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<v Speaker 6>tough challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chuck Voss, the head coach at Cleveland State, leading

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<v Speaker 1>his team to its sixth Horizon League Tournament championship. On Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland State be Green Bay three to two to win

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<v Speaker 1>the first for the Since the twenty seventeen season. Voss

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<v Speaker 1>has coached Cleveland State to all six of its Horizon

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<v Speaker 1>League Tournament titles. Liebro Emma Walker for Cleveland State was

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<v Speaker 1>named the tournament MVP. So we'll, I'm sure say that

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<v Speaker 1>name a lot, including Niah Hall or Nia Hall and

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<v Speaker 1>Lake and Voss both made the All Tournament team. Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>should win, but you just never know. In a sport

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<v Speaker 1>like volleyball, where momentum changes so quickly. It's unlike any

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<v Speaker 1>have it for you in ESPN. Plus the Wildcats opening

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<v Speaker 1>up with Cleveland State after Minnesota, and Western Kentucky, which

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<v Speaker 2>Up next.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Spencer of WHAS six thirty WLAP welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Blue in Sider joining us now is a

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<v Speaker 1>longtime buddy and friend of the show. And as I

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<v Speaker 1>always say, a guy knows what it's like to get

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<v Speaker 1>hit in the mouth and a foot college football game.

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<v Speaker 1>That is Ken Spencer of whs over in Louisville formerly

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<v Speaker 1>WTVQ here in Lexington. And as I mentioned before, Kid,

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<v Speaker 1>in your job, you cover both ends of the interstate,

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<v Speaker 1>and you and I have talked all season long about

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<v Speaker 2>Is just sagging. Can I assume you weren't surprised by

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<v Speaker 7>Actually I was a little surprised. My final score prediction

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<v Speaker 7>was Louisville twenty eight fourteen, okay going into the game,

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<v Speaker 7>so I was not surprised that Louisville won. I was

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<v Speaker 7>not surprised that they were. They won by a couple

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<v Speaker 7>of touchdowns, but I was generally surprised with just the

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<v Speaker 7>complete physical dominance in the game by the Cards over

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<v Speaker 4>And look, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Didn't think that Louisville was going to win despite Kentucky

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<v Speaker 7>being the much more physical team. Like I just if

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<v Speaker 7>you never really see that out of this Kentucky football team,

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<v Speaker 7>can't expect them to show that kind of dominance over anybody.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, think about how many times Murray State got

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<v Speaker 7>so so I wasn't surprised about that, but I was.

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<v Speaker 7>I was certainly surprised by that dominant physically in the

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<v Speaker 7>game and just how easy it look like we kind

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<v Speaker 7>of talked about like, look, Kentucky just kind of looks

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<v Speaker 7>like a team that's just ready for the season to end.

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<v Speaker 2>They played like it, yeah, looking for a place to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know through the years, and I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about this last week. Buddy of mine and

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<v Speaker 2>Always said the same thing. Your linemen are so big.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if size was the difference, but certainly execution.

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<v Speaker 1>And attitude were the difference in the trenches on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I think that's kind of been a I

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<v Speaker 7>think that's kind of been a sign of a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of things over the course of this season in for

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<v Speaker 7>There was a couple of things. You know, they didn't

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<v Speaker 7>that they were they were lacking. But you know, in

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<v Speaker 7>the in the general like down and distant stuff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>to six yard runs and maybe you know, just a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit longer than that every now and again. But

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<v Speaker 7>those two departments they just weren't good. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 7>like the defensive line wasn't very good this year either. No,

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<v Speaker 7>you see anything from their game against Texas that allowed

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<v Speaker 7>you that made you think you could have some success?

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<v Speaker 7>And he was like absolutely, because if you look back

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<v Speaker 7>the running game. And in fact, when they got close

425
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<v Speaker 7>and made it a game, Texas just ran the football

426
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<v Speaker 7>all the way down the field. I mean we're talking like,

427
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<v Speaker 7>you know, seven, eight, nine, ten yard runs each and

428
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<v Speaker 7>every play, and that's just not something that you're accustomed

429
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<v Speaker 7>to see from this defense.

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<v Speaker 4>Just was the case this year.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, after that game, Van Hiles, who you

432
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<v Speaker 1>probably know, I don't know if you've ever talked to Van,

433
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<v Speaker 1>but former Kentucky d back analyzes a video on the internet.

434
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<v Speaker 1>He said, that Texas game really illustrated just how much,

435
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<v Speaker 1>to your point, they missed Eric Jackson. You know, not

436
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<v Speaker 1>that one guy's to stop everything, but as you know,

437
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a ripple effect. You know, he knew he knows

438
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<v Speaker 1>where to be or at least knew where to be

439
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<v Speaker 1>and when, and he could execute.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I thought Kentucky's tackling against Texas and at

442
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<v Speaker 1>times against Louisville was so poor. You know, Texas running

443
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<v Speaker 1>back to bouncing off people that didn't happen with Jackson.

444
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<v Speaker 2>So plus they're worn down as well.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and think about think about this. You know, sometimes

446
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.839
<v Speaker 7>it's football can be a game of a half a second. Yeah,

447
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<v Speaker 7>and Derek Jackson is somebody who's who's seen it all.

448
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<v Speaker 7>And so if you're there, you know, a second or

449
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<v Speaker 7>you know, not even a second, but if you're there

450
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<v Speaker 7>like a half second sooner, yeah, you know, the plays

451
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 7>completely stopped. If you're a half second lay, the game's

452
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<v Speaker 7>going for ten or more yards. And so you know,

453
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<v Speaker 7>I think you you probably saw a lot of that. Yeah,

454
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<v Speaker 7>I mean Derek Jackson not being in the lineup absolutely,

455
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<v Speaker 7>you know, completely stuffed him. But you know, even even

456
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<v Speaker 7>him not being there at line backer, like you know,

457
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<v Speaker 7>the front four, I mean, it just it wasn't a

458
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<v Speaker 7>good day for them, you know, at all. And it

459
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<v Speaker 7>really wasn't a good season for that unit.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, And you know the craziest thing was after

461
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<v Speaker 1>the Old Miss win, for the next week or two.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Can I heard some of the regional and national talking

463
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<v Speaker 1>heads speaking of the Kentucky defense and using words like

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<v Speaker 1>elite and when you go back and look at what

465
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<v Speaker 1>they did against Georgia in ole, miss, I think that

466
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<v Speaker 1>was fair. And then the bottom just fell out. Injuries

467
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:36.279
<v Speaker 1>took their toll. Uh, the offense left the defense out

468
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<v Speaker 1>on a field.

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<v Speaker 2>For so long. So yeah, it was not clearly not

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<v Speaker 2>a typical mark shoots defense.

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<v Speaker 7>No, not no. And you're right, you know you mentioned

472
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<v Speaker 7>national talking heads. I mean honestly, like I said that

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<v Speaker 7>about Kentucky's defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Familiar national you're big.

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<v Speaker 7>Time, Yeah, but I would say that about kntective defense

476
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<v Speaker 7>after the old Myth game, you know, one of those

477
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<v Speaker 7>things where you know, you don't know if they can

478
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<v Speaker 7>score enough points to win a bunch of games, but

479
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<v Speaker 7>they're at least going to stop people. And they they stopped.

480
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 7>They stopped people, and to be honest with you, sometimes

481
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<v Speaker 7>like they were their own worst enemy on that side

482
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<v Speaker 7>of the ball as well. Fifteen yards, you know, with

483
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<v Speaker 7>penalties and mistakes and different things along that, like like

484
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<v Speaker 7>you know, all of the stuff about you know, there's

485
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<v Speaker 7>so much there, but this just wasn't a disciplined football

486
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<v Speaker 7>team from the from the penalties, from the assignments. Like

487
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<v Speaker 7>you know how many times you know, after I always

488
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<v Speaker 7>say this after the Old Miss game, how many times

489
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<v Speaker 7>did this team just not look prepared and focused?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>And so like to me, when you don't have a

492
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<v Speaker 7>team that's prepared and focused, man, that's that that starts

493
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<v Speaker 7>at the highest position and then it works its way

494
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<v Speaker 7>down like if you're not prepared and focused, it starts

495
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<v Speaker 7>at the top.

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<v Speaker 4>Looking.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you make of Mark Tup's postgame comments.

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<v Speaker 7>I made of the postgame comments? I mean it was

499
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<v Speaker 7>I think it was much of the same that we've

500
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<v Speaker 7>heard pretty much all year. Not good enough, not going anywhere,

501
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.119
<v Speaker 7>going to put in the work. Like I've said this,

502
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<v Speaker 7>and I've said this to my kids, and I've said

503
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 7>it to other people. And this has nothing to do

504
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 7>with about Kentucky football. This has everything to do about everything.

505
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 7>But I think it still stands true here. It's easy

506
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 7>to use words. It's easy to say I am competitive.

507
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 7>It's easy to say we're going to go back to

508
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 7>work and we're going to get this fixed. But do

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<v Speaker 7>your actions back.

510
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<v Speaker 4>Up your words?

511
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Like like when the hours that you're putting in each

513
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.279
<v Speaker 7>and every week to get this right, to get this fixed.

514
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<v Speaker 7>Are they matching the words that are coming out of

515
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:02.599
<v Speaker 7>your mouth. Nobody's at you know, we're not in that complex.

516
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 7>We don't see the things. But the proof in the

517
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 7>pudding on the field doesn't match the words that are

518
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<v Speaker 7>coming out of the mouth.

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00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I got to thinking about everything Stoop said,

521
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>both on the radio and in the postgame news.

522
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<v Speaker 2>Conference, and I thought back, kent to.

523
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<v Speaker 1>When he first got here, a young, younger decoordinator looking

524
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<v Speaker 1>for a chance to prove himself in a big boy league.

525
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<v Speaker 2>And he did that.

526
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<v Speaker 1>And he came in and he was a dervish, a

527
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>buzz saw, whatever you want to call him. Brought a

528
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>great friend and Vince Merrow built a good staff.

529
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>He's had some issues there.

530
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.039
<v Speaker 1>But you know, he knew he had a plan, the

531
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 1>blue collar, youngstown approach of coaching football, and he did it.

532
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>But now that approach would work to a point.

533
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>But when you mix in the two things he abhors

534
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and every coach does the portal and nil, It's just

535
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine him, you know, trying to throw himself

536
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>back into this job the way he did twelve years

537
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 1>ago because everything has changed so much.

538
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah it has. And you know, you mentioned, you know,

539
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 7>twelve years ago when he got the job and he

540
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 7>came in and the mindset that you have when you've

541
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 7>tasted success, and you know, let's be honest, when you win,

542
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, what is it ten games and three years

543
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 7>or you know what I mean? When you had ten

544
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 7>win seasons or whatever a couple and that many and

545
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.880
<v Speaker 7>that timeframe at a place like Kentucky that's just not

546
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 7>used to ten win seasons and then all of a sudden,

547
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<v Speaker 7>you know, and look like it's all this is all

548
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 7>part of the conversation. When you're making nine million dollars

549
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 7>a year like now at this point, you're living on

550
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 7>the yacht and can you have the blue collar mentality

551
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.599
<v Speaker 7>when you feel like you're on the yacht now? Some

552
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 7>people can't. Some people keep it?

553
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Did he keep it?

554
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<v Speaker 7>Like I said, I'm not in that. I'm not in

555
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<v Speaker 7>that facility. I don't know, but what I'm seeing on

556
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<v Speaker 7>the field says it seems like somebody took the foot

557
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<v Speaker 7>off the gas.

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00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't know how, when or why, but it was

559
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty evident this year and a lot apparently it will

560
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 1>be happening fairly quickly in terms of personnel, according to

561
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Stoop's players, and he's hoping.

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<v Speaker 2>To keep his staff together over the next year three weeks.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's I Here's what I would also say, Dick. This

564
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<v Speaker 7>is my opinion, and you may agree with it and

565
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 7>you may not, But like, this isn't this isn't a

566
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<v Speaker 7>this wasn't in my opinion, This wasn't a twenty twenty

567
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 7>four problem. This was this was. All of these things

568
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.160
<v Speaker 7>that we're talking about now they took place in twenty

569
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<v Speaker 7>twenty three. But the biggest thing that happened that masked

570
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.960
<v Speaker 7>everything was they beat Louis at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 7>And if they don't win that game, everything that we're

573
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<v Speaker 7>talking about right now we would have talked about last year.

574
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 7>But that mass and it was a band aid over

575
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 7>a lot of stuff. And so instead of all of

576
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 7>this coming to light after one season, now you've had

577
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:21.440
<v Speaker 7>two seasons of erosion. So it's probably, honestly, it's probably

578
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 7>worse now than if it would have taken place last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Spencer, my guest sports director whas formerly WTVQ, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk basketball with Kent on the other

581
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<v Speaker 1>side of the break here on six thirty WL, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back my guest, Kent Spencer, sports director, whas over in

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville and worked for several years here at WTVQ in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 2>And being in Louisville, Kent covers both ends of the interstate.

585
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<v Speaker 1>As I said, so now Kent, Kentucky basketball fun. Everybody's happy,

586
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Louisville basketball fun. I don't know if everybody's happy over there,

587
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>but they got to be happier than they were because

588
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.559
<v Speaker 1>good things are happening on both ends of the interstate,

589
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 1>which means means all is right with our world when

590
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 1>it comes to covering college basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, look, look I think I think Louisville fans

593
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 7>and the Battle for Atlantis had so much fun, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 7>first off, they beat the Brakes off of Indiana, and

595
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 7>then they come and win a hard fought game against

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<v Speaker 7>West Virginia. They're in the championship game of that tournament.

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00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 7>And what a nice response for them after getting blown

598
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 7>out at home by Tennessee a couple of weeks ago.

599
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 7>So you know, like there are they're already starting to

600
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 7>match like win totals under the Kenny Paint era and

601
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 7>certain and certain points right like like this is this

602
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 7>is like there they are. They're on cloud nine. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think for for Kentucky fans, like yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I've been asked this a couple of times

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<v Speaker 7>and I would say this, like, has anything gone wrong

606
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 7>for Mark Pope Yet Nope, Like he said all the

607
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 7>right things, He's done all the right things. They've had

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<v Speaker 7>the results on the court. You know, there's the video

609
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<v Speaker 7>of the Duke game and him calling what Cooper Flag

610
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 7>was gonna do? Like you know, all of these things

611
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 7>are are are are happening and in the right way,

612
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 7>and it really feels like this is a team that

613
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 7>people really like as far as personality, how they play,

614
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 7>the style. You know, it's just it's all it's all

615
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 7>really well right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I mentioned this more than once, and forgive

617
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<v Speaker 1>me if I'm if I'm boring people with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's vital. Jack Gibbons made this point.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, if you haven't had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to Jack, because I know you work a lot,

621
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>but he is there's so much joy in his voice

622
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>watching this team, especially because they're always jacking it up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jack was a shooter, unabashedly, unapologetically, and he

624
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<v Speaker 1>loves what he's seeing. But he made this great point,

625
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Kent in this third or fourth game. He said, it's

626
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<v Speaker 1>so refreshing to see this team working when the shot

627
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>clock is winding down and a play has broken down

628
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and they fix it among themselves. They don't stop as

629
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<v Speaker 1>freshmen need to do and turn to look at the bench,

630
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>so their maniacal coach can wave his arms and scream

631
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<v Speaker 1>and yell and direct traffic. They know what to do,

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00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's kind of fun to watch, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I mean, you know sometimes it's it's changing

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<v Speaker 7>the way that a game is played. You know, I thought,

635
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<v Speaker 7>going back to a couple of weeks ago, right like

636
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<v Speaker 7>in the first half, Duke's physicality was almost overwhelming to

637
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<v Speaker 7>them in the first half, and they really struggled with

638
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<v Speaker 7>it because up until that point, you know, when you're

639
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.960
<v Speaker 7>playing directional team U, there's not a whole lot of

640
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<v Speaker 7>that going around. So they they had to adjust to that,

641
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 7>and at halftime they adjusted to that, and they just

642
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 7>kept chipping away. Like in the NCAA tournament or in

643
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 7>college basketball in general, I think you have to your

644
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.519
<v Speaker 7>way just can't be the only way. You're going to

645
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 7>have to win different ways. And for me, it proved

646
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 7>that that team can win a different way. They still

647
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 7>scored seventy seven points and they had not a very

648
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 7>good night offensively at all that game, and you found

649
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.559
<v Speaker 7>a way to win that game. And so there's one thing.

650
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<v Speaker 7>You know, some some national folks out there will tell

651
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 7>you that this Kentucky team and they're breaking down like

652
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 7>other teams and stuff like that, and they're like, this

653
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 7>Kentucky team is close to their ceiling. And I would

654
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 7>I would push against that because this team has a

655
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.559
<v Speaker 7>new coaching staff that's only like Jackson Robinson is the

656
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 7>only dude who's played for Mark Pope, and they've got

657
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 7>so many new pieces. Yes, are they older, absolutely, but

658
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 7>are they close to their ceiling in my opinion, when

659
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.599
<v Speaker 7>it comes to getting used to each other and this

660
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 7>system on a court in the heat of the moment

661
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 7>in games, absolutely not. I think it's a lazy take

662
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 7>to be, to be quite honest with you, because they can,

663
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, being comfortable with each other and knowing what

664
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.519
<v Speaker 7>somebody is going to do in the fight and the

665
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 7>fire is completely different, and so I think that this

666
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 7>team still has a long way to go as far

667
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 7>as you know, reaching their ceiling. But watching them right

668
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 7>now has it's been a lot of fun.

669
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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say that's the next thing out of

670
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 1>my mouth. You can tell these kids are having so

671
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>much fun. They were all either good or very good

672
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>players at their previous schools and they have a chance

673
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>to do something great and they're really enjoying it.

674
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<v Speaker 7>Best best person I think to look at in regards

675
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 7>to that, there's actually two people that I would actually

676
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 7>try to point out here. Number one is honestly like

677
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 7>Kerk Crisa, Like I mean, think about like the player

678
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 7>that he was at Arizona and I didn't really watch

679
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.719
<v Speaker 7>it much at West Virginia. As the player that he

680
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 7>was at West Virginia. I mean, he is almost like

681
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 7>th thrilled. I wouldn't call it taking a back seat,

682
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 7>but I would say he's thrilled to be unselfish, yea,

683
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.639
<v Speaker 7>Like he has completely given himself to this team to

684
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 7>the point where like sometimes I think like he's too unselfish,

685
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 7>And I mean, look that doesn't say like every now

686
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 7>and again he pulls a forty five footer. But you know,

687
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 7>but like I think like he's been almost like the

688
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 7>ultimate team guy coming off the bend, you know, all

689
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 7>of that stuff. And then you know another guy is

690
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 7>is Jackson Robinson. You know, he's the guy who's been

691
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 7>in in Mark Pope system and clearly, like you know

692
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 7>when when Pope talks about you know, like being unabashed

693
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 7>and making sure that you've got to take the shot

694
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 7>when it's there, you've got to take the shot. He

695
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 7>does it without hesitation and not in a selfish manner,

696
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 7>but he just does it because he knows how this

697
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.320
<v Speaker 7>offense is supposed to run. And that's what other guys

698
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 7>are still, in my opinion, still still figuring out a

699
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 7>little bit. But in that Duke game when he struggled,

700
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:08.760
<v Speaker 7>you look at the clips and you look at the

701
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 7>stuff of him down the stretch and them getting stops defensively,

702
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 7>and how engaged he wasn't in the game because it's

703
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 7>not about him. Member he came back to to improve

704
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 7>his NBA stock in part well, that game he didn't

705
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 7>really probably improve his NBA stock, but he didn't care.

706
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 7>He was fully invested in the moment.

707
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Man.

708
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 7>That's that's the good stuff.

709
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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I guarantee you it's some NBA Scotts. Notice that,

710
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know and why wouldn't you?

711
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 4>So?

712
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's Ken Spencer, sports director whas follow him on

713
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>x or Twitter or whatever you call it at WHS

714
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Elevan Kent. You can follow his work at WHS eleven

715
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<v Speaker 1>dot com.

716
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, brother seed down the road.

717
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<v Speaker 4>Hey, thank buddy.

718
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Up next Tour.

719
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<v Speaker 1>Number two with Maggie Davis of BBN Tonight and doctor

720
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<v Speaker 1>John Wong.

721
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Author sportswriter. Back at just a minute.

722
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<v Speaker 1>You're on a big one sider six point thirty w

723
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<v Speaker 1>l APERG. Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider joining

724
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<v Speaker 1>US Center Celebrity Highline is a fixture on our program.

725
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Here in a fixture on UK sports. Maggie Davis, who

726
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 1>is an anchor, reporter, producer, editor, writer.

727
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 2>She does it all for BBN Tonight.

728
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<v Speaker 1>Of course all of you all do everything right, I

729
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>mean it's good old mid market TV.

730
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Everybody has to pitch in.

731
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 8>Yes, it is good old fashioned teamwork.

732
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 7>Right about that.

733
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.679
<v Speaker 8>There's a seven person sports department at LA eighteen and

734
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 8>we do not take it for granted, but we also

735
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.000
<v Speaker 8>don't take any little piece of this job lightly. And

736
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 8>so yes, all seven of us can pretty much do

737
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 8>every other person's job as well, so we all can

738
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.039
<v Speaker 8>sort of bleed together in that way, which is very good,

739
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 8>especially this time of the year, as you know, although

740
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 8>oh yeah, it's looking up a little bit with football

741
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 8>season unfortunately in the horizon of for Kentucky.

742
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no ball game, so you can concentrate on basketball.

743
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Let us start with basketball. I've been kind of going

744
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 1>football heavy a little bit in this show. But when

745
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>you started making plans, just kind of daydreaming a little

746
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 1>bit about this basketball season, because you guys have the

747
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>nightly show and a show on Saturday, did you ever

748
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>think did you ever dream that the start would be this?

749
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they're going to finish, but I

750
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 1>think this start has caught a lot of people by

751
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>happy surprise.

752
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Speaker 8>I think that's absolutely fair, and yes, it has certainly

753
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:09.880
<v Speaker 8>taken me by surprise.

754
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the.

755
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 8>First moment I started thinking about it was actually at

756
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 8>that Mark Pope press conference at Ruffereo. I'll never forget

757
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.719
<v Speaker 8>what he said. We'll never forget he said. Last season

758
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 8>my team was second in the country and three point

759
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 8>shot attimpts over the course of the season. You know,

760
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 8>everyone cheers and almost kind of drowned out what he

761
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.559
<v Speaker 8>said next, which is, but at Kentucky, we don't like

762
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 8>coming in second place. And just that was really everyone's

763
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 8>big introduction to Mark Pope, right, and you could go

764
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 8>back and you know, the diehards can read all this

765
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 8>BYU stuff and sort of read about his coaching trajectory

766
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 8>and the kinds of teams he's had in the past,

767
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 8>and obviously that offensive philosophy starts to take shape. And

768
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 8>you hear him make a statement like that before he

769
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.639
<v Speaker 8>even has a roster put together, and you're like, all right,

770
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 8>this guy is dicking with this plan. He's taking it

771
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 8>very seriously, and no matter what the roster looks like,

772
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 8>it sounds like he's building a program that's going to

773
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 8>be completely different than the one we've gotten to know

774
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:11.599
<v Speaker 8>over the last decade plus. And that system works for

775
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 8>a very long time here. But I think that statement

776
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 8>by Pope at that first real big press conference of

777
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 8>we don't like coming in second place, even in the

778
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 8>context of a percentage and number of three point shots

779
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.719
<v Speaker 8>taken throughout a season, well, that's really when it started clicking,

780
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 8>at least for me in terms of all right, that's

781
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:32.000
<v Speaker 8>what this team's going to do. Now can he build

782
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 8>a roster to do it? And then you saw all

783
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.239
<v Speaker 8>the pieces sort of trickle in, one by one by one,

784
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 8>and every single piece on this roster really with the

785
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 8>exception the only exception being Amari Williams as a guy

786
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 8>who you didn't expect to come in and take three

787
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.639
<v Speaker 8>pointers or a bunch of jumpers or anything like that.

788
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 8>You're like, all right, well, he's brought in the pieces

789
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.360
<v Speaker 8>to fit that statement, and the real question mark is

790
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 8>just how does it all fit together? And that's the

791
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 8>part that surprised me, although maybe shouldn't, just because of

792
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 8>the experience. I think you see that, you know, across

793
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 8>the nation the last couple of years, really since the

794
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 8>explosion of the portal, some teams said better than other teams,

795
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.840
<v Speaker 8>no doubt, But the experience factor and the maturity that

796
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 8>comes with it, I think is a big part of

797
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 8>that equation.

798
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I keep thinking back now to the

799
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 1>preseason interviews we all got to do because you know,

800
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>as you recall, now they can have workouts in the summer,

801
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 1>so now we can have access, and they were nice

802
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 1>enough to make them available because we were bugging the

803
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 1>crap out of them. But I just felt like these

804
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.519
<v Speaker 1>these players because of the maturity level, you know what

805
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Maggie, they you know they they've they've done

806
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 1>interviews before, maybe not a scrum of reporters like they

807
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 1>see in Lexington, but you're not a little bit older

808
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and wiser, and they were a little bit more relaxed.

809
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's one reason they've come together

810
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:54.679
<v Speaker 1>like they have.

811
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Does that make sense absolutely?

812
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.039
<v Speaker 8>I think it also gives way to how unselfish this

813
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 8>team has been so far, and that's really been the

814
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 8>defining feature to this point in the season. That's what

815
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 8>Pope has preached the most. That's what in all of

816
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:09.840
<v Speaker 8>those scrums that you're talking about, the players have talked

817
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:12.360
<v Speaker 8>about the most. And when you look at their numbers

818
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.039
<v Speaker 8>just throughout the course of the first real love of

819
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 8>games here, that's what really stands out. Obviously it's easy

820
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 8>to say, shoot it. You could talk about percentages, but

821
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 8>let assist the turnover ratio has been a huge talking

822
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.840
<v Speaker 8>point and it really goes back to exactly what you

823
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 8>were saying, that maturity, the understanding of coming becauther. Most

824
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.559
<v Speaker 8>of these guys really for their last season you know,

825
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 8>a big chunk of them as fourth, fifth, sixth year seniors,

826
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.480
<v Speaker 8>and they understand the magnitude of what they're doing, they

827
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 8>understand where they are doing it. This is a theme

828
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 8>that talks so openly about the start of the Jersey

829
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 8>and everything that Pope has said that he took the job.

830
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.960
<v Speaker 8>He has built a team that understands and respects this

831
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.599
<v Speaker 8>program as much as he does, which is hard to

832
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 8>do when you are plucking guys from all across the country,

833
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 8>from different hometowns, from different programs, different walks of life.

834
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 8>A couple, you know, Amari Williams is from another country

835
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 8>and he comes in and understands what it means to

836
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:05.559
<v Speaker 8>play at Kentucky. And I think you're seeing that. I

837
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 8>think we saw it in the Duke game. We saw

838
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 8>that experience in the fight really come out, maybe to

839
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 8>a lesser extent in some of these non conference games,

840
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 8>but you even think about the Western matchup, and that

841
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.519
<v Speaker 8>was a tough game for these cats. That was a

842
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 8>physical game. They didn't get into a rhythm, they weren't

843
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 8>able to play like how they wanted to play, but

844
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.239
<v Speaker 8>they still were able to just gut out of win.

845
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.440
<v Speaker 8>And I loved what Pope said after the game about

846
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 8>this kind of feeling like a first round in CAA

847
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 8>tournament matchup, like maybe it's not perfect, but all that

848
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 8>mattered was you were able to realize that you had

849
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 8>to get this done. This wasn't one you could just

850
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 8>let slip away. And Kobe Braya had talked about this too.

851
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 8>He said, we understand what we're doing right now, and

852
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:48.239
<v Speaker 8>we understand what a loss will change, and we don't

853
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.239
<v Speaker 8>want to feel that yet. We're not ready to feel that.

854
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 8>We're deep into this schedule and we're not ready for

855
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 8>a letdown. And I love that perspective from him too.

856
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. People talk about winning streaks and pressure. I know

857
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a modest seven games, but you know it's a

858
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>great way to start, and you can understand why they

859
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 1>want to protect that now. Tomorrow Night's game on the

860
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 1>road later in the evening, And I don't know, honestly

861
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that much about Clemson, but it's an ACC team, so

862
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>another and they've already beaten one ACC team, so you

863
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>know the challenges are beginning to pile up, aren't they.

864
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 8>Well, I'm excited for this week. This is a week

865
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 8>I've had circled really since the beginning of the season.

866
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 8>I think Kentucky fans generally speaking, looked at this schedule

867
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 8>and said, all right, Duke, all right, first week in December,

868
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 8>all right, locull and those are the first, you know,

869
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 8>couple of big games that stand out, and you want

870
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.840
<v Speaker 8>to see him take care of business in every game

871
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.039
<v Speaker 8>in between. You'd love to see him continue to win

872
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.800
<v Speaker 8>by thirty. Right, But these tests are really the ones

873
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 8>that get circled before the start of the season, and

874
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 8>they're the ones where we truthfully learn the most about

875
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 8>this team and its potential. And we saw such a

876
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 8>good picture of that against Duke and the Champions Classic,

877
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 8>which I don't remember honestly, Bick if you were there

878
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 8>or not, But that was a rowdy environment. But I

879
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 8>would say it was probably fifty to fifty, maybe sixty

880
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 8>forties just Kentucky fans, Like there were certainly Duke fans

881
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 8>in that building that will allow, but it was still

882
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.559
<v Speaker 8>an environment that chanted go Big Blue, and there were

883
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 8>plenty of Kentucky fans making noise in there. I don't

884
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 8>know what it's going to look like in climbs in

885
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 8>on a true road test. This seem's first real taste

886
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 8>of that and you know something about that Orange, I

887
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.800
<v Speaker 8>think it just might be a little crazy in there.

888
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 8>So I'm excited to see how they handle that. And

889
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 8>then of course, I Daga has looked really, really good

890
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 8>to start the year, so I'm excited to see how

891
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 8>they handle not exactly a true road test, but for

892
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 8>all intents and purposes, basically a true road test, flying

893
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 8>all the way up to Seattle, and how they handle that.

894
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 8>And it's just a new wrinkle, And that's what this

895
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 8>time of the year is all about. That's what makes

896
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 8>it fun. And you know that there's still a good

897
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 8>chunk of the season left regardless of what happens. But

898
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.280
<v Speaker 8>if you can come away this we's feeling good, looking

899
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 8>good with two good wins. That continues to build this

900
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:00.119
<v Speaker 8>momentum much.

901
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're right, it's not the home arena for Gonzaga.

902
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>But whenever you make that job made that flight more

903
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.519
<v Speaker 1>than once to Seattle. It's a road trip, trust me,

904
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you know your body has to adjust. But yeah, that's

905
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>all part of it. We're talking to Maggie Davis BBN

906
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 1>tonight you see it on l Exa team. We'll come

907
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 1>back and talk a little more basketball and some football

908
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 1>with Maggie on the other side of the break here

909
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 1>on six thirty WLAP here's Maggie and three two welcome back.

910
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>We're talking with Maggie Davis. He is the anchor, co

911
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.079
<v Speaker 1>anchor and the producer, just does it all for bb

912
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and tonight BBN Game Day along with came in Keith

913
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Farmer and the crew they have over there at l

914
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 1>e X eighteen. Kenny Brooks not to be outdone by

915
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Mark Pope. You talk about a fun style of play,

916
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and he cobbled his team together. Maggie, much like Mark

917
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 1>did I need a piece here, a piece there, I

918
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 1>need this, I need that, And I don't know if

919
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.559
<v Speaker 1>you got to everybody you wanted. But thanks to the

920
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.760
<v Speaker 1>fact that he got Georgia Amore and a couple others

921
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that he really needed.

922
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>What a great start.

923
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 8>Absolutely and the one thing I will say that, unlike

924
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 8>Mark Pope knock on Wood to this point is Kenny

925
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.159
<v Speaker 8>Brooks has had to deal with some serious injuries to

926
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 8>start the year. They are down two players that they

927
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 8>really felt like would be contributors on this team. You

928
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 8>know this preseason talk, practice, early summer whatever. You don't

929
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 8>know exactly how it's all going to shake out how

930
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.559
<v Speaker 8>many minutes those two pieces would have burned. But regardless,

931
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 8>those are two valuable pieces to a roster that, like

932
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 8>you said, really had to come together quickly and maybe

933
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.159
<v Speaker 8>isn't as big or as deep as a typical roster

934
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 8>would be. If you had a full cycle to add

935
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 8>in freshmen, you'd have a big chunk of returners. You

936
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 8>maybe grab a couple from the portal. You don't have

937
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 8>the luxury of that when you're hired over the offseason

938
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.119
<v Speaker 8>and you're tasked with building a roster in such a

939
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.719
<v Speaker 8>short amount of time, and then to lose two key

940
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 8>pieces between that time and your first game, I think

941
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 8>it's absolutely dutch, a devastating mark on a program, and

942
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 8>Kenny Brooks has really I mean, he talked about it

943
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 8>a little bit early on.

944
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 7>But he's not harped on it.

945
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 8>It's not been an excuse and it really hasn't dampened

946
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 8>to anything. At this point in the season. This team

947
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 8>has looked so good, like you said, a fun style

948
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.280
<v Speaker 8>of play. I loved what he talked about this a

949
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 8>couple of weeks ago, I think it was right before

950
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 8>the Louisville game, and he got asked about the crowd

951
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.239
<v Speaker 8>and you know, maybe not the attendance they were expecting

952
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 8>or hoping for the first couple of games, but obviously

953
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 8>felt like there would be a great turnout for that

954
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.760
<v Speaker 8>Cats versus Cards matchup in Memorial Coliseum, and obviously there was.

955
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 8>But beforehand he was talking about the fan attendance and

956
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 8>he's like, listen, we get it, like we have to

957
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.480
<v Speaker 8>prove what we are, what we do. We are fun

958
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.440
<v Speaker 8>to watch. And he said, as soon as you get

959
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 8>somebody in this building and they say, oh my god,

960
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.840
<v Speaker 8>he has a six foot five girl bring in the

961
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 8>ball up the court and then she can pull up

962
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 8>and shoot it, well, maybe I'll buy another ticket and

963
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.800
<v Speaker 8>I'll come to another game too, And I'm locking in

964
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 8>from the teeth and because this team is fun to want.

965
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 8>And I loved that perspective, and I think he is

966
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 8>absolutely backing up everything that he's saying to this point.

967
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It's making a fun to watch volleyball opens up at home.

968
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 2>You knew they were going to host.

969
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 1>They happen to be in the pit regional or quarter

970
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>or whatever they're calling it. But I wondered how many

971
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>people who followed UK Volleyball thought Kentucky would a win

972
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the conference championship and be get to host again. Player

973
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 1>of the Year Brooklyn the Lake, Coach of the Year,

974
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Craig Skinner. It's incredible what he's.

975
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Done over there.

976
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.079
<v Speaker 8>It really is. And you talk about surprise, etc. You

977
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.880
<v Speaker 8>look at this early time or non conference part of

978
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 8>the schedule. We talk about it on our show almost

979
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.119
<v Speaker 8>every season, Dick. I'm sure you do too, and you

980
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 8>call so many of the games. You know this as.

981
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:45.800
<v Speaker 7>Well as anybody.

982
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 8>But every year, Craig Skinner schedules like this and some

983
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.119
<v Speaker 8>years ago is better than others. Right, a couple of

984
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 8>years ago they were able to really go on a

985
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 8>run through that non conference and you're like, all right,

986
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 8>this team is really good because they handled that like

987
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.000
<v Speaker 8>champions and then could just sail through the SEC. That's

988
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 8>not what this season has been like. This season was tough.

989
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.599
<v Speaker 8>At the beginning of the year was a grind, and

990
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.960
<v Speaker 8>they truthfully did not handle everything. While they were changing

991
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.400
<v Speaker 8>a lot about how they're running their offense or defense

992
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 8>they're serving has been so tough. I mean, they were

993
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.320
<v Speaker 8>really struggling just with service errors. The start the year

994
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.840
<v Speaker 8>was really the defining sort of statistic in so many

995
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 8>of those early season matches that you just felt like, man,

996
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 8>this team can be good. They have great pieces. You

997
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 8>brought up Brooklyn Delay. I mean, you have an offensive

998
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.280
<v Speaker 8>weapon like that, how are you not winning some of

999
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 8>these games? But they just were making so many errors

1000
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.639
<v Speaker 8>and so many mistakes. You didn't know how they'd be

1001
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 8>able to pull all the pieces together. And I think

1002
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.039
<v Speaker 8>the culmination of a couple of pieces around Brooklyn Delay

1003
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 8>stepping up. And obviously you have the coach of the

1004
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.559
<v Speaker 8>year at Craig Skinner, who has shown his magic and

1005
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 8>his word season after season after season. I don't know

1006
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 8>why anybody doubts him at this point because he's always

1007
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 8>able to figure out a way to get his team

1008
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.159
<v Speaker 8>to be playing their best volleyball at the right time

1009
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 8>of the year. And that's exactly what we're again this season.

1010
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Well at the other end of the campus, of course,

1011
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 1>is Kentucky football, and man again, high expectations by all

1012
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of us, and I'm sure the coaches and players did too.

1013
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:20.920
<v Speaker 1>You had a terrific defensive line, you had the transfer

1014
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 1>in a quarterback, you had a transfer in an All

1015
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 1>American linebacker, and after that, old Miss upset and everybody said,

1016
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 1>well after that South Carolina lost, now they're back on schedule.

1017
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Then it all fell apart, and I know injuries had

1018
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with it, but and you know,

1019
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I've been around for a while.

1020
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.800
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the more puzzling seasons I've ever covered.

1021
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>How did you see it?

1022
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, just sitting here thinking about our conversation

1023
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:48.920
<v Speaker 8>about the volleyball team and how they're playing their best

1024
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.079
<v Speaker 8>at the end of the year, and that's really what

1025
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 8>we've come to expect with that program. And then you

1026
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 8>contrast that to this new conversation about football. I just

1027
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 8>think about some of the conversations we had in Week

1028
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.360
<v Speaker 8>two South Carolina, we three Georgia, some of those early

1029
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.280
<v Speaker 8>season games, and like the potential we saw, but also

1030
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.360
<v Speaker 8>the issues that were a parent right from the start,

1031
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 8>especially in that matchup with the Game Cops early.

1032
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 4>On in the year.

1033
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 8>And then you look at the back half of the

1034
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.840
<v Speaker 8>schedule and I don't think that Kentucky made the appropriate

1035
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 8>changes to say that they were playing any better at

1036
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:21.760
<v Speaker 8>the end of the year than what we saw early

1037
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 8>in the season. And absolutely injuries is a big part

1038
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.159
<v Speaker 8>of that, but that also comes down to your program.

1039
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 8>Your culture, your coaching staff, and your ability to adjust.

1040
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 8>And I think this program, historically, speaking under Mark Stoops,

1041
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 8>has done a phenomenal job of adjusting. There have been

1042
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 8>devastating injuries on this program in years past, and I

1043
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 8>mean the Lend vote in season is the perfect example, right.

1044
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 8>I mean, that's the very obvious one of you have

1045
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:48.960
<v Speaker 8>a devastating series of injuries, and yet by the end

1046
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 8>of the year, you do feel like you're playing your

1047
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 8>best football because you just have guys out there who

1048
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 8>want to win, who are working hard, and you really

1049
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.480
<v Speaker 8>felt like one cohesive unit. I think that was the

1050
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.039
<v Speaker 8>missing this season. It never felt like this group got

1051
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:06.679
<v Speaker 8>it together as a cohesive unit. And think about the

1052
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.559
<v Speaker 8>offensive line issues. I didn't see a lot of improvement

1053
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.360
<v Speaker 8>there by the end of the season. You think about

1054
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.440
<v Speaker 8>the wide receivers and the guys that you thought this

1055
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 8>team would be built around, I'm not sure that they

1056
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 8>got better by the end of the year. The defense,

1057
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 8>I think, really struggled as the season went on. I mean,

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00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.239
<v Speaker 8>in some of those early season games, like they were

1059
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 8>stopping the rush at every point of attack, and the

1060
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 8>D line it Fit in particular, was dominant and by

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00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.079
<v Speaker 8>the end of the year, it just wasn't that force anymore.

1062
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 8>And so I think that is really, when you look

1063
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.960
<v Speaker 8>at it from top to bottom, that's the most frustrating,

1064
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:42.239
<v Speaker 8>like you said, puzzling part of the entire season. It's

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00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 8>because you did have all of these great individual pieces

1066
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 8>and maybe you say, all right, we don't know exactly

1067
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 8>how they're all going to fit together at week one,

1068
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.679
<v Speaker 8>but surely by the end of the year, you've had

1069
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.599
<v Speaker 8>weeks and weeks and weeks to get this together, to

1070
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 8>put these pieces in place and to be playing your

1071
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 8>best football, and they just works. And that's the issue

1072
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 8>for me and so many others.

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00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:04.360
<v Speaker 4>I think, what did.

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00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>You think of Mark Stoop's comments both of the media

1075
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if you heard the comments he

1076
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 1>made to Tom Leech, but he tried to, I think,

1077
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>reiterate the fact that he's got the energy and the

1078
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.159
<v Speaker 1>willingness to turn this thing around. Like he's trying to

1079
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 1>convince the big Blue Nation, which for the first time

1080
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.800
<v Speaker 1>is complaining about a coach who is the all time

1081
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.360
<v Speaker 1>winning his coach and led his team to a couple

1082
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 1>of ten win seasons.

1083
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>But the Natives are unhappy.

1084
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 8>And that's the hardest part of the whole situation is

1085
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.159
<v Speaker 8>because he is the winning.

1086
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 7>His coach here.

1087
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.840
<v Speaker 8>He has taken this program to places that had never

1088
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.920
<v Speaker 8>gone before and for a lot of years never dreamed

1089
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 8>that it could go. And then to go to eighth

1090
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 8>straight bowl games, to really compete in the SEC, and

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00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:48.599
<v Speaker 8>to take care of business year in and year out

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00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 8>against teams like Florida and Louisville and Missouri and Lord,

1093
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 8>I mean Vandy and then here recently, that has not

1094
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.519
<v Speaker 8>been the case. It is disappointing, and I think you

1095
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.039
<v Speaker 8>can appreciate everything that's happened over the past decade while

1096
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:04.920
<v Speaker 8>still saying, hey, these past couple of years haven't quite

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00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 8>lived up to that. And the status for the college

1098
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 8>football landscape is only getting harder. The SEC is only

1099
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 8>getting better. Our schedule next year is just as tough.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, you need to hear a little bit of

1101
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 8>reassurance from your head coach. I do think that's what

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00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 8>Mark Scoops was doing after the game. I heard his comments,

1103
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.039
<v Speaker 8>like you said in the media to Tom Leitch, I

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00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 8>understand what he's saying. I think that's what he had

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00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:26.559
<v Speaker 8>to say. I don't know what else he could have

1106
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.039
<v Speaker 8>said to be honest with you, I don't work in

1107
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.280
<v Speaker 8>pr I'm sure there's another way you could spin it,

1108
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:33.599
<v Speaker 8>But for me, from a reporter standpoint, I mean, he

1109
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.079
<v Speaker 8>says he's coming back. I take that at face value,

1110
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.360
<v Speaker 8>and it sounds like that's the man who was unhappy

1111
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.800
<v Speaker 8>with the season and who says I'm going to be

1112
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 8>motivated to change it. And if you're a Kentucky fan,

1113
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.960
<v Speaker 8>you have to hope that he's right and.

1114
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 7>That he will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the thing that hangs over in the entire situation

1116
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.159
<v Speaker 1>is a portal in the nil And I said it

1117
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the show, and now I'll keep saying it

1118
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 1>in that you know, he loves building a program the

1119
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 1>old fashioned way, and now college football is anything but

1120
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.119
<v Speaker 1>old fashioned. But that's a topic for another discussion. I

1121
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:11.360
<v Speaker 1>do appreciate your time, and again, you and I were

1122
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>talking before we went on the air.

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<v Speaker 2>You tailgated. You survive the cold as you tailgated, didn't you.

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00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:21.119
<v Speaker 8>I did listen. One thing no one could ever say

1125
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 8>about me is that I'm not dedicated, not loyal. Because

1126
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 8>I was out there in the same tailgate spot I've

1127
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:28.119
<v Speaker 8>been in all season long.

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00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:29.639
<v Speaker 7>I didn't care. I mean I did care.

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00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.440
<v Speaker 8>It was freezing. It was twenty degrees yeah at eight o'clock,

1130
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 8>eight thirty in the morning when we rolled up. But

1131
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 8>we had our hot chocolates and we had our little

1132
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.960
<v Speaker 8>tailgate breakfast food, and we put the sides of the

1133
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 8>tent up to block the winds and we got it

1134
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 8>done for a couple of hours there. I did not

1135
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:44.880
<v Speaker 8>have to work this game, which was very nice. I

1136
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.719
<v Speaker 8>worked the Texas game the week prior and had so

1137
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 8>many basketball games in between. It was nice to have

1138
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.400
<v Speaker 8>a Saturday off, no doubt about it. And obviously with

1139
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.159
<v Speaker 8>a Saturday off, what else am I supposed to do

1140
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 8>other than go stand in the cold and watch a football.

1141
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad you had fun before the game again,

1142
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and thank you as always Maggie Davis. She is the

1143
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 1>anchor reporter. You see her on BBN tonight on LAX

1144
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>eighteen and follow her work through the volleyball tournament and

1145
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>basketball as well.

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01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, young lady. We'll see you down the road.

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01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:17.079
<v Speaker 8>Thank you so much for you soon, and I hope

1148
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.079
<v Speaker 8>you had a great Thanksgiving coming up next.

1149
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Doctor John Wong blogger, writer, sportswriter, that is, author. He

1150
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:28.000
<v Speaker 1>has written several books, including one that is a murder mystery.

1151
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 1>He hopes to move that product for just in time

1152
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 1>for Welcome back to the Big Moon Cider thirtieth now,

1153
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 1>as a longtime friend of the show, He's an author,

1154
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a columnist, a blogger, a sportswriter, doctor John Wong. And

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01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.719
<v Speaker 1>before we shamelessly plug your book, I've seen you back

1156
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:46.760
<v Speaker 1>on social media, John, but let's go in reverse order.

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01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:48.360
<v Speaker 1>You covered the Bengals yesterday.

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01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 2>What a crazy game here. The Steelers have.

1159
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Been chugging along, scoring, you know, eighteen twenty points and

1160
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it was a track meet.

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01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Did you expect that kind of game?

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01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:00.039
<v Speaker 7>No.

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01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.760
<v Speaker 4>In fact, I did a little preview beforehand, and I

1164
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.920
<v Speaker 4>was telling everybody that this was going to be a

1165
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.239
<v Speaker 4>game in which the Steelers were going to try to

1166
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.440
<v Speaker 4>control the clock, they were going to try to run

1167
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 4>the ball, and it was going to be very very brutal,

1168
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:20.360
<v Speaker 4>low scoring, typical AFC North type game. And afterwards, I

1169
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.280
<v Speaker 4>think Tomlins said, yeah, that was actually the game plan.

1170
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 4>But it just so happened that the Bengals defense kind

1171
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.960
<v Speaker 4>of invited them to go ahead and throw the ball.

1172
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.960
<v Speaker 4>So of course Russell Wilson takes advantage of that and

1173
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.559
<v Speaker 4>he just tears them up. Yep, Dick. I think this

1174
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:39.559
<v Speaker 4>has probably been one of the I've been following the

1175
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.039
<v Speaker 4>Bengals a long time. I've been covering him for probably

1176
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 4>eight or nine years. This is probably the most disappointing

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01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 4>season based on what the expectations were. This was a

1178
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 4>Super Bowl contending team, and not only are they nowhere

1179
01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.559
<v Speaker 4>near that, but they're not even sniffing the playoffs and

1180
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:00.320
<v Speaker 4>they're going to end up being at the battom of

1181
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 4>their division. JO weak out, what in the world happened when.

1182
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:05.280
<v Speaker 1>They made That's what I was going to ask you.

1183
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 1>When they made the Super Bowl, which you covered, everybody

1184
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 1>knew about Burrow and chasing all that, but they had

1185
01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 1>a terrific defense and just for short of winning it.

1186
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.280
<v Speaker 1>And yet I know players come and go in the NFL,

1187
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 1>but coaching staff has remained intact.

1188
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:21.599
<v Speaker 2>But what do they lack?

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01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Do you think, Yeah, it's they've had some tough luck

1190
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.519
<v Speaker 4>in terms of injuries and so forth, but there's just

1191
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:32.079
<v Speaker 4>a lack of cohesiveness. It seems like you've heard the

1192
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:36.840
<v Speaker 4>term complimentary football being thrown about everywhere. Now. They just

1193
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.440
<v Speaker 4>haven't played that. They haven't had a game in which

1194
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:43.000
<v Speaker 4>both the offense and defense have put it together a

1195
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:47.599
<v Speaker 4>critical plays. Their record is a heck of a lot.

1196
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.280
<v Speaker 4>They're better than their four n eight record, But as

1197
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.440
<v Speaker 4>Bill Parcell says, you are what your record says you are,

1198
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 4>and they just haven't been able to put it together

1199
01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:59.000
<v Speaker 4>the critical times when they've had to make the big play,

1200
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:03.079
<v Speaker 4>they haven't come. If you look at him, especially offensive wise,

1201
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:08.599
<v Speaker 4>statistics wise, Burrow, he's had an MVP season, him and Chase.

1202
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.440
<v Speaker 4>You look at all their numbers and man, oh man,

1203
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:13.960
<v Speaker 4>you figure, how in the world can this team be

1204
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.199
<v Speaker 4>so bad in terms of their record. But it is

1205
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:19.400
<v Speaker 4>what it is. What a disappointment.

1206
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wasting this kind of year by Burrow, who I

1207
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.960
<v Speaker 1>had parenthetically is one of my fantasy football quarterbacks and

1208
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 1>he's done well by me, I can tell you since

1209
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>he kind of turned a corner a few games into

1210
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 1>the season. But they've also got a running back who

1211
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:39.239
<v Speaker 1>was I was pleasantly surprised at the way they ran

1212
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:39.599
<v Speaker 1>the ball.

1213
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they've got all the pieces in place, at least

1214
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.840
<v Speaker 4>on the offensive side of the ball. I think. I

1215
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 4>think having Higgins in and out during the course of

1216
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 4>the year also hurt him quite a bit a lot

1217
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.920
<v Speaker 4>more than people be willing to admit because he just

1218
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.280
<v Speaker 4>provides that huge target right in the middle of the field.

1219
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:01.639
<v Speaker 4>It just opens up space for everybody else, even for

1220
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:05.360
<v Speaker 4>that running game that you're talking about. Yeah, pleasantly surprised

1221
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 4>at all that. But yes, the window, the window is closing,

1222
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.519
<v Speaker 4>and it's a wonderful window. The Bengals need to take

1223
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.599
<v Speaker 4>advantage of it. But unfortunately it's this idea of mediocrity

1224
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:20.239
<v Speaker 4>that's going to start sinking in again, and I'm afraid that, hey,

1225
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:21.519
<v Speaker 4>we may have seen the peak.

1226
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of mediocrity, let's go back another day as

1227
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.760
<v Speaker 1>we go into reverse order with doctor John Wong. You

1228
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:31.960
<v Speaker 1>were there when the Wildcats absolutely laid an egg and

1229
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 1>flopped everyone to say it against Louisville. I wasn't certain

1230
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky could win. I did not think Kentucky would play

1231
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 1>that poorly. I was amazed John at the turnovers, were you.

1232
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I like to say they got their butt kicked. Happened,

1233
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 4>and it was a little bit surprising because I think

1234
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:54.920
<v Speaker 4>there was enough excitement generated with Cutter Bowley starting. The

1235
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 4>crowd was there, they were into it, and Kentucky if

1236
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.239
<v Speaker 4>you remember they started out, oh well, you know the

1237
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:03.440
<v Speaker 4>first couple of plays and on all of a sudden

1238
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 4>that Willcox fumble. Well it wasn't actually a fumble, he

1239
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.400
<v Speaker 4>just got bar ripped away from That kind of turned

1240
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.440
<v Speaker 4>the tide and set the dominoes in action. After that,

1241
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 4>it just seems like all the energy was kind of

1242
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.480
<v Speaker 4>zapped out and they just sworen't in it. It was

1243
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:20.079
<v Speaker 4>It was kind of embarrassing.

1244
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Jeffiicorro talked about the fact that U of L unlike Texas,

1245
01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:27.960
<v Speaker 1>had the week to prepare for Cutter Bully. I don't

1246
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.639
<v Speaker 1>know what the difference they might have seen and Cutter

1247
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.320
<v Speaker 1>versus Brock Vandergrift maybe more of a pocket passer.

1248
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Than Brock, who can throw on the run. But you know, Brock,

1249
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I think down down.

1250
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Speaker 1>The stretch so banged up happy feet just just wasn't himself.

1251
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I went back John and.

1252
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Looked at video from first of the year, and admittedly

1253
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:50.199
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't playing against Texas, but Brock Vandergrift played some

1254
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty good football when he had time to throw, and

1255
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that just kind of withered on the vine. And then

1256
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Cutter comes in and uh and has a terrible day.

1257
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think you hit on it. It all comes

1258
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:08.599
<v Speaker 4>down to that old line when they were just provided

1259
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:14.280
<v Speaker 4>no protection for either Brock or eventually Cutter and Vanda

1260
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.440
<v Speaker 4>Griff he just lost confidence. I mean he was a

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01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.360
<v Speaker 4>mental case at the very end because he was constantly

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01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.320
<v Speaker 4>When you're constantly running for your life, when you don't

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01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 4>have trust in the guys ahead of you providing the blocks,

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01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:31.920
<v Speaker 4>opening up holes, providing any sort of protection, then your

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01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.039
<v Speaker 4>mind just just goes downhill. It's hard to recover from that.

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01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 4>I felt bad for Cutter. He's put in a position

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01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 4>being his first start as a true freshman.

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01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Who well, I'll tell you what it reminded me.

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01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.920
<v Speaker 1>And Jeffercorrel's talked about this as well more than once.

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01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think you might have been here. You might

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01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.039
<v Speaker 2>have been in dental school when Randy Jenkins played here.

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01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:56.599
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I remember, and he was.

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01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:01.960
<v Speaker 1>A tremendous athlete and he just was so beating up

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01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.920
<v Speaker 1>that he just got the.

1275
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Happy feet, you know.

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01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:11.760
<v Speaker 4>And you know in the athletic field, confidence is more

1277
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:14.679
<v Speaker 4>than fifty percent. I mean, you have to have talent,

1278
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 4>but everybody, I don't care how good you are, you

1279
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.519
<v Speaker 4>need you need that backing up of knowing that you

1280
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:26.079
<v Speaker 4>can do it in certain situations and when their confidence

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01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:28.920
<v Speaker 4>isn't there, then you see what happens. Things go downhill

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01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:30.000
<v Speaker 4>very very quickly.

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01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the defense could not stop the run again,

1284
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:38.440
<v Speaker 1>amazing did it so well most of the season.

1285
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:39.599
<v Speaker 2>What happened there?

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01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think we need to kind of circle back

1287
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.440
<v Speaker 4>to now the elephant in the room, Dick, and that

1288
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:54.119
<v Speaker 4>is what's going on with Stuts and his legacy and

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01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.639
<v Speaker 4>everything from that standpoint, because he is a defensive type

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01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.840
<v Speaker 4>guy and the one thing that we could always count

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01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.320
<v Speaker 4>on was the defense coming through. He would kind of

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01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:07.559
<v Speaker 4>be a little bit well hands off maybe the wrong word,

1293
01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:10.599
<v Speaker 4>but more hands offish in terms of the offensive side

1294
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 4>of the ball, but defensively he was always there. And

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01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.920
<v Speaker 4>to not have the trust on that side of the

1296
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.840
<v Speaker 4>ball once again, we talked about complimentary football. When it's

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01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 4>not there, then you can see what can happen. What

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01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:27.359
<v Speaker 4>are your thoughts on Stoops. I know I'm never one

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01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:31.479
<v Speaker 4>to ever advocate for anyone losing their job, but there's

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01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:34.279
<v Speaker 4>so much going on behind the scenes. I figure you're

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01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.159
<v Speaker 4>the guy in the know. You ought to be able

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01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 4>to give us some nuggets, those of us in the

1303
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:40.520
<v Speaker 4>peanut gallery on the outside.

1304
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I have an opinion like everybody else. But look, you

1305
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and I we've talked about this before. We were on

1306
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:49.640
<v Speaker 1>campus at the same time going to school. Yeah, you know,

1307
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I went in journalism. You foolishly went into dentistry. But no, anyway,

1308
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:57.319
<v Speaker 1>we know what it's like to watch a program that

1309
01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:01.800
<v Speaker 1>had false starts and sputtering and set back by penalties.

1310
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, he comes in and provides an element of

1311
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:09.399
<v Speaker 1>consistency at one point, and now he's taking a step

1312
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:11.319
<v Speaker 1>or two back. I think he's earned the right to

1313
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 1>clean up his mess. But as I said earlier at

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01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the top of the show, John I said, the portal,

1315
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I think this era has taken away a bit of

1316
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.359
<v Speaker 1>an advantage. That's Tubes and Vince Marrow and their staff

1317
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:27.079
<v Speaker 1>have had in that they could beat other teams. And

1318
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:33.000
<v Speaker 1>they did this by evaluating talent, signing kids, recruiting, developing,

1319
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.720
<v Speaker 1>and putting together a good plan to go out and win. Well,

1320
01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:41.079
<v Speaker 1>now the portal door is spinning and on top of that,

1321
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.920
<v Speaker 1>offensive consistency has been terrible.

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01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:47.239
<v Speaker 2>And Step said as much yesterday, didn't he.

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01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:52.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a new era right now, Dick and I

1324
01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:58.359
<v Speaker 4>was reading a book about an American contractor who was

1325
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:02.880
<v Speaker 4>held hostage in Iraq for three hundred and eleven days.

1326
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:07.319
<v Speaker 4>And I never want to equate sports with real life

1327
01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.920
<v Speaker 4>and death situations, but there are some still familiarities. And

1328
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:13.359
<v Speaker 4>one of the things that this guy said that helped

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01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 4>him get over this idea of captivity was this idea

1330
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:21.720
<v Speaker 4>of hope that maybe this very next day would be

1331
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:24.119
<v Speaker 4>the day in which he would be rescued, and that

1332
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:26.840
<v Speaker 4>kept him going. And what I sensed with the UK

1333
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.800
<v Speaker 4>football program, no matter who I talk to, even the

1334
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:34.960
<v Speaker 4>die hard Stoop supporters, is this general lack of hope

1335
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:38.720
<v Speaker 4>about him being able to turn this around, not only

1336
01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.319
<v Speaker 4>from the on the field standpoint, navigating the NIL portal

1337
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:47.920
<v Speaker 4>and transfers and all this which he has loathed he's

1338
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:52.279
<v Speaker 4>admitted it publishing, but also in terms now of this

1339
01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:55.680
<v Speaker 4>idea of culture, where we've taken a backstep. You know,

1340
01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:59.880
<v Speaker 4>Stoups was always talking about the difference between climate and culture,

1341
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.319
<v Speaker 4>and he prided himself on keeping this good culture. And

1342
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.439
<v Speaker 4>ironically it seems like we've almost taken a complete one

1343
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 4>point eighty fore this idea of very very disciplined Stoop

1344
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.840
<v Speaker 4>see everything in order, no nonsense, it's kind of metamorphosized

1345
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:18.840
<v Speaker 4>into this. Hey are the inmates running the asylum. Kentucky

1346
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.119
<v Speaker 4>has essentially been the one that's been held hostage by

1347
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:25.399
<v Speaker 4>these large nil funds coming through with the likes of

1348
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.520
<v Speaker 4>a Brock Vandergriff or a barry On Brown, where they

1349
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.680
<v Speaker 4>feel like they have to commit to these guys because

1350
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:34.920
<v Speaker 4>they've invested so much money. It's hard to pull the plug.

1351
01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but here's the thing. Everybody else is in the

1352
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 1>same boat. That's the thing.

1353
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:41.600
<v Speaker 2>How well do you deal with it?

1354
01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:43.640
<v Speaker 1>And here's the other thing, John, as we go to

1355
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the break, this is all so new to Kentucky fans.

1356
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I talked about this again off the top of the show.

1357
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you a football school or a basketball school? Well,

1358
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you're becoming a football school when you've got a coach

1359
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.239
<v Speaker 1>who a couple of years prior, over a course of

1360
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.560
<v Speaker 1>three years, won twenty four games and now you want

1361
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:01.239
<v Speaker 1>him gone.

1362
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:05.760
<v Speaker 2>That is literally never happened here. But you know what.

1363
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the new SEC. John Wong as my guest.

1364
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:10.960
<v Speaker 1>We'll come back and talk more with John in just

1365
01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:13.800
<v Speaker 1>a minute, and then brace yourself. There's a seamless book

1366
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.960
<v Speaker 1>plug coming up here on the Big Mossider six thirty WLAP.

1367
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. We're talking with John Wong is a blogger.

1368
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Wong's Whinings works for Nolan Media Group, covering sports and

1369
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:27.439
<v Speaker 1>also as an accomplished multiple published author, if that's the

1370
01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:29.840
<v Speaker 1>right word. And we'll get back to that in a moment,

1371
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.760
<v Speaker 1>but let me talk a little basketball with you, John.

1372
01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Brighter times on the hardwood for both men and women.

1373
01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 4>Got to be enjoying that, right, Yeah, it seems like

1374
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:43.960
<v Speaker 4>the world has kind of tilted back on its proper

1375
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:51.640
<v Speaker 4>access again. Stock up Kentucky basketball, Stock down Kentucky football. Boy,

1376
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:54.119
<v Speaker 4>the more things change, the more things stay the same,

1377
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:58.119
<v Speaker 4>don't they. Yeah, I'm super super excited with this pope

1378
01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:02.000
<v Speaker 4>and this philosophy, the bread, the fresh air that's come in.

1379
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:05.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm really pleasantly surprised at how well the team has played,

1380
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:09.520
<v Speaker 4>because I'm like you, at the very beginning of the year,

1381
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.520
<v Speaker 4>when he had all these new guys who had never

1382
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.880
<v Speaker 4>played together at all, you kind of wondered, you know,

1383
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:17.079
<v Speaker 4>is he going to be able to put this thing together?

1384
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:21.119
<v Speaker 4>But not only are they playing team basketball, but they

1385
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:25.920
<v Speaker 4>really seem to like each other, you know, especially they

1386
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:30.119
<v Speaker 4>take up for each other when Williams got pushed during

1387
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.199
<v Speaker 4>that last game. I love the way Kobe Braya kind

1388
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:36.439
<v Speaker 4>of responded, and then the team responded. You know, this

1389
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:39.000
<v Speaker 4>is a team that really really looks out for each other.

1390
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:41.199
<v Speaker 4>They have each other's back, and that's going to be

1391
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:45.279
<v Speaker 4>so critical. This week is going to tell us a lot.

1392
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Where cal Perry said Kentucky's built for March, he kind

1393
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:51.720
<v Speaker 4>of made a little bit of a full of himself.

1394
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:54.319
<v Speaker 4>But I think this week is going to tell whether

1395
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.359
<v Speaker 4>we can legitimately say that this team is going to

1396
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.720
<v Speaker 4>be built for March or not. I'm I'm excited. I

1397
01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 4>won't be a Clemson, but I'm actually heading out to

1398
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:07.039
<v Speaker 4>Seattle for that. Yeah, that's going to be a bucket

1399
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:08.920
<v Speaker 4>list side and for me, I want to I want

1400
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:10.479
<v Speaker 4>to see him play those ags.

1401
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought about going to that one, but my wife

1402
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and I are going to New York took to watch

1403
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:15.239
<v Speaker 1>that game.

1404
01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:17.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, a lot of opportunities.

1405
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.520
<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned being ready for mind A lot of

1406
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Calipari's teams were not so much lately, but one of

1407
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the teams that absolutely was was the twenty seventeen team,

1408
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the Fox Bam and a Bio team, and this team

1409
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:35.800
<v Speaker 1>statistically is keeping pace with that one in terms of

1410
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.319
<v Speaker 1>being undefeated. Through seven games. It could be just a coincidence,

1411
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:41.399
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I'm with you. I like the way this

1412
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:42.359
<v Speaker 1>team's coming together.

1413
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'd love to have a Fox Month or at

1414
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.159
<v Speaker 4>a Byo on this team, but I don't think anybody

1415
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:53.640
<v Speaker 4>can match that talent level. But I'm thinking Pope, he'll

1416
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.359
<v Speaker 4>He'll make it up with this analytical approach. Now, of

1417
01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:01.840
<v Speaker 4>course he has this medical background, so he's speaking my language.

1418
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.840
<v Speaker 4>When he's talking frontal cortex, Olympic system and he talks

1419
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 4>about after action autopsies. That brings a big, big smile

1420
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.000
<v Speaker 4>off my face. I love that. How can you not

1421
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:14.800
<v Speaker 4>win with talk like that?

1422
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 2>John?

1423
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Could you have seen you yourself in what your third

1424
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:22.520
<v Speaker 1>year in Denis I don't know what the equivalent is,

1425
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:25.079
<v Speaker 1>but calling your folks and saying I'm going to go

1426
01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.239
<v Speaker 1>be a graduate assistant basketball coach.

1427
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.279
<v Speaker 4>I think I would have been disowned at that particular point.

1428
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:34.159
<v Speaker 4>They would say, what in the world are you talking about?

1429
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.199
<v Speaker 4>Although there were a couple of times when I was

1430
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:42.000
<v Speaker 4>sitting there up in that co laboratory waxing teeth that

1431
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.800
<v Speaker 4>I said, what in the world am I actually doing here?

1432
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.039
<v Speaker 4>But after investing three years and thousands of dollars in tuition.

1433
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.680
<v Speaker 4>There was absolutely no chance in France that I was

1434
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:55.359
<v Speaker 4>going to back out of that, and plus things worked out,

1435
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Speaker 4>I was going to say, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not

1436
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.399
<v Speaker 4>only did I do dentistry, but now I'm I'm back

1437
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:03.479
<v Speaker 4>to my real love, doing what dig Gabriel War was

1438
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:04.840
<v Speaker 4>doing all this time.

1439
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, you got to see the world on Uncle Sam's

1440
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>nickel as well. You got to do some traveling before

1441
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I let you go. All right, time for a shameless plug.

1442
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1443
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if your book's going to fit in

1444
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.479
<v Speaker 1>a stocking, but under the Tree you got more than

1445
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:18.960
<v Speaker 1>one book though out there, man.

1446
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah I do. This is actually my seventh book, but

1447
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:25.319
<v Speaker 4>it's actually my debut novel. I've always wanted to write

1448
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.479
<v Speaker 4>a fiction book, and I said, what better way to

1449
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:33.159
<v Speaker 4>incorporate fiction than to also mixed in all the ongoings

1450
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:37.079
<v Speaker 4>of my sports writing career. So this is an NIL

1451
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:40.720
<v Speaker 4>based book. Believe it or not. It's called Name, Image

1452
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.439
<v Speaker 4>and Murder. It's about a Hall of Fame basketball coach

1453
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:48.199
<v Speaker 4>who gets brutally murdered during the course of a championship

1454
01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.119
<v Speaker 4>season run. So it's it's part murder mystery, part who

1455
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:56.920
<v Speaker 4>done it, but it's also part college basketball action thriller.

1456
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.119
<v Speaker 4>My faith is super important to me, I throw and

1457
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:03.600
<v Speaker 4>a lot of spiritual statire in there. So if you

1458
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:09.000
<v Speaker 4>are a fan of any of those genres basketball, Faye, murder, mysteries,

1459
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:11.479
<v Speaker 4>this has to be the book for you. Makes for

1460
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:15.720
<v Speaker 4>a wonderful, wonderful Christmas gift. If you're around pal all,

1461
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.680
<v Speaker 4>We've got Glad to sign it for you. This is

1462
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:22.840
<v Speaker 4>it name Image of Murder. Today's actually the last day

1463
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.760
<v Speaker 4>for a cyber sale, so you can go on and

1464
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:30.680
<v Speaker 4>get it at Ingram Sparks. A beautiful hardcover edition cost

1465
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:36.920
<v Speaker 4>soft cover in terms of classy gift, but last day

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01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.000
<v Speaker 4>to go ahead and get that for a reduced price.

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01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Other than that, you can still go into Joseph Beth

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01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:47.000
<v Speaker 4>Wheeler's Pharmacy Amazon of course and grab that book. So

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01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:48.840
<v Speaker 4>that's my shameless plug.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I will follow up when you go into

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01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Joe Beth. And this is an unpaid endorsement. I just

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01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:58.119
<v Speaker 1>like the store obviously, but there's a table right up

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01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.359
<v Speaker 1>front devoted to Kentucky authors, and your book is front.

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01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I was pointing it out to my wife the other day,

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01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:06.159
<v Speaker 1>so it's front and center, you know, you and I

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01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.119
<v Speaker 1>have talked about this book. I think this is the

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01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:12.239
<v Speaker 1>third or fourth time, and every time you mentioned the

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01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:16.880
<v Speaker 1>crime use the word brutally words brutally murdered. Is that

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01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.640
<v Speaker 1>a dust jacket phrase or is that just so has

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01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:21.119
<v Speaker 1>to come up?

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's pretty darn intense, and I don't I don't

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01:18:25.159 --> 01:18:27.800
<v Speaker 4>pull any punches, you know. I start out right of

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01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.479
<v Speaker 4>the out of the gate with uh with A with

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01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:35.479
<v Speaker 4>a big, big action scene. And my hope is I'm

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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:37.680
<v Speaker 4>treating it like my sports writing. I want you to

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01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:39.640
<v Speaker 4>be able to see it in front of your eyes.

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01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:42.680
<v Speaker 4>And fiction, of course, is a little bit different. This

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01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:45.119
<v Speaker 4>is all new to me. I didn't know whether this

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01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:47.680
<v Speaker 4>book would suck or not, but it seems like that

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01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:50.640
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the initial reviews that I've gotten back

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01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.199
<v Speaker 4>have been just real, real positive, And I don't think

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01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:55.159
<v Speaker 4>these are people that are just telling me things that

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01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:58.640
<v Speaker 4>I want to hear. So thank you to everybody who's

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01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:02.199
<v Speaker 4>purchased it, and and Istory, in a big, big smile

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01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.520
<v Speaker 4>on my face, just being able to promote this on

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01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:07.880
<v Speaker 4>your show, Dick, because I know I know sales are

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01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:10.159
<v Speaker 4>just going to go through the absolute ruth.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, let's hope, so John, thank you so much.

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01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:14.439
<v Speaker 2>We'll see at the ballgames.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Happy belated Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas Day. Everybody go cat.

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<v Speaker 1>And that'll do it for now, thanks to my guest,

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01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Ken Spencer, John Wong, Maggie Davis. Tomorrow night it's Kentucky basketball.

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01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:29.279
<v Speaker 1>We'll have a short show ahead of that because.

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01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:31.319
<v Speaker 2>It's a nine thirty tip. You'll hear it all right here,

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01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that's it, Good night from the garage in Lexington.

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01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:37.760
<v Speaker 5>Wait, let me explain something to you. I am not

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01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:41.600
<v Speaker 5>mister Lebowski. You're mister Lebowski. I'm the dude

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<v Speaker 3>Sang
