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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 3: Hayden told his friend Bill that Olivia's kind of dating.

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Not to be surprised if the teacher comes up missing.

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Speaker 1: Didn't expect to hear back from me so soon, did you?

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I mean, I told you you're getting more Sword and Scale.

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It's just some people don't listen for some reason. This

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is season twelve, episode two hundred and eighty seven of

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Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst

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or Apple. You know, things cost money, so sometimes the

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most dangerous thing we can do is follow someone's lead

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without thinking about it. It's easy to get caught up

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in the movement, swayed by a friend's confidence, especially when

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you're young and naive. We all want to belong, We

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all want to feel like we're part of something, so

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there are times where we might be distracted, preoccupied, with

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other things, But sometimes you have to really stop and

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ask what the hell am I doing here? What am

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I following? And where is this all leading me? Because

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not every leader has good intentions, and not every follower

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realizes the stakes until it's too late. In the heartland

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of Iowa, Fairfield is one of those small towns where

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everyone seems to know everyone else and life moves at

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a leisurely pace. It's the kind of place where neighbors

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wave from their porches Friday night football games are packed,

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and teachers like Noema Graber are not just part of

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the school but part of the community. People don't think

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twice about letting their kids roam freely or leaving doors unlocked.

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Fairfield feels safe and predictable. Chautauqua Park lies just on

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the outskirts, surrounded by thick woods and quiet trails that

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wind through the tall grass and dense trees. The park

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is where townspeople often take their morning jogs, children play

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by the pavilion, and now Amac Greebor likes to walk

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after school. This ritual wasn't just an exercise, though, it

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was a means of unwinding after being with students all

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day long. But on this fall evening, the park would

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prove to be anything but safe. The trails that provided

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calm and refuge hid a dark secret. On November two,

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twenty twenty one, she would go for a walk and

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never come home. Nine one one calls started to trickle

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in as the community say of security was ripped apart,

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leaving them to wonder if any place at all was safe.

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The first person to notice that Noah mcgreebor was missing

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was her husband, actually her ex husband. See the Grabs

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were divorced, but they still lived together a lot at

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the time.

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Speaker 4: A person kentish her office.

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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Paul Graber. I would like to

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report a missing person and I'm curious to know if

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there have been any accidents last night.

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Speaker 4: Okay, who is the missing person?

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Speaker 2: Her name is Noema Graber grr. She is a teacher

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at the high school and I just received a call

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from mister Stone, the principal, and she has not appeared

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at work today.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Where's she missing from?

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Speaker 2: From two o five West Washington here in town?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 8: And what was the last time that she was seeing Well,

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my son and I been out of town in Texas

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and she knew we were arriving yesterday after being in

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I was well for appointments.

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Speaker 2: We came home, expected her to be here and looked

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like she had prepared the starts of a meal for

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us in the evening, but no sign, and she'd been

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wondering all night. I didn't know whether to call or not.

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I thought she would come in. Certainly she would come

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in for work today that mister Sun said she is

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not there and they have physically checked the room.

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Speaker 1: Noeima was the last person who would take off for

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no reason. I know we say that a lot, but

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this just simply wasn't in her character. Noema was a

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very thoughtful, deliberate person who kept her schedule and did

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not miss school.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 2: She did take the automobile, which is it's in nineteen

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ninety seven Honda Odyssey.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 10: And do you know what the license late is?

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Speaker 2: No, I can, I can dig it up.

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Speaker 4: Who is it registered to?

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Speaker 10: Is it registered to her?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, it's the dark blue okay.

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Speaker 10: And have you is her phone off?

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Speaker 4: Have you tried calling hers?

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Speaker 2: It's going to voice now it has no cell phone.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 1: You can tell by the dispatcher's reaction. That's a weird thing.

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To say, I mean, of course it is. It's twenty

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twenty five. How do you not have a cell phone.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting right next to her. I'm in the home

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right now.

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Speaker 10: And her phone is there.

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Speaker 2: It's here. She's one that she can only use for

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calls on WhatsApp and different things. It doesn't have service,

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a regular phone service.

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Speaker 7: Okay, And what was last?

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Speaker 9: The last thing?

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Speaker 4: You actually spoke.

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Speaker 2: To her on Sunday evening about about eight o'clock from

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my brother's home in Dallas, Texas, and she was excited

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that we're coming back and said that a lot of

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things that happened.

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Speaker 4: And what does she teach it the high school?

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Speaker 2: Pardon? Oh, she is a Spanish teacher. She's one.

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Speaker 1: In case you didn't hear him say it, Noema was

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one of two Spanish teachers at Fairfield High School.

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Speaker 11: County is about eighteen thousand. It's not an exact figure

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in that ballpark. It's kind of a you know, it's

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it's Iowa. So Iowa's counties are all laid out on

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a grid, so all things considered, it's it's it's a

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you know, small Midwestern city with a pretty good and

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diverse economic base. Certainly one of the more unique towns

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in the state of Iowa, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: That was District Attorney Chauncey Moulding. Fairfield is where he

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was born and raised. It has a cultural side that

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feels unexpected for such a small town home of Maharishi

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International University. People from all over the world attend school

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and live here, making the tiny town exceptionally diverse. This

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brings us back around to Noema Graber, who was native

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to Mexico. Although she didn't attend Maharishi University, she lived

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in Fairfield. That was because she met Paul Graber a

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few years after graduating high school. She worked as a

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flight attendant and he was in Mexico as an exchange student.

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He flew back to the States but never forgot about Noema. Meanwhile,

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being a flight attendant wasn't lofty enough for Noema, who

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was extraordinarily bright and ambitious. She decided she would be

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a commercial airline pilot instead, so she paid her way

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through flight school and became one of the first women

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in Mexico to be licensed to fly passenger jets. Eleven

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years after Paul first met Noema, he was back in

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Mexico and looked her up. The couple reconnected, married and

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raised a family in Fairfield. Only in her fifties did

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no Ama decide she wanted to be a teacher. So,

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being the kind of person that just does what she

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wants to do, she earned her degree and certificate. For

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the next nine years, many Fairfield students would learn no

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AMA's native language directly from her.

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Speaker 11: She goes missing. People go missing, right, it's not. It's

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always created as serious, but it's not always presumed that

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the person that the worst has happened, Right, you have

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to assume and look. But ninety nine times out of

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one hundred, when somebody goes missing, it's you know, they

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either don't want to be found from a significant other

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they're hiding from, or it's a kid that runs away,

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whatever it is. But missus Graver's lifestyle and life pattern

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really was a predict and be very She's not somebody

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that would just go missing, So her being missing was

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taken very seriously. And her you know, she's not somebody

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that would just not show up to class. You know,

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she's not somebody that would just not come home to

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her husband. Her husband happened to be out of town

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to day she went missing. So he comes home and

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she's just not there.

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Speaker 1: Almost immediately, residents started calling the dispatch center detailing where

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they saw her in the days before and after her disappearance.

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Speaker 7: Right, my name is Joy Craig, and I just got

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an email from the school saying that missus Gregory is missing, Okay,

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And I just want to say that I know I

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saw her at the library on Monday the first, because

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we had a Day of the Dead celebration, okay, And

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she was there and that.

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Speaker 9: Was eight okay, And so that started at five.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I don't it ended at six because he

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closed it six and so I know she was there

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sometimes during that period, and.

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Speaker 9: I believe she was there by herself. All right, we

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will get that added into our report.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people calling in were parents and students

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who had just seen no Ema at school the day

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she went missing.

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Speaker 9: So my son and I were there yesterday at school.

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We met with her at a quarter after one. I

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think we left about two point thirty, and I just

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was seeing posts on Facebook that people were reporting they

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didn't know what happened to her in the afternoon, so

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I thought it would be useful to let you know.

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Speaker 1: Calls were coming from everywhere, like a man who thought

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he saw no Ema and her van in Middletown the

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day after she went missing. And this doctor leaving the

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hospital thought she saw Noema's van in the parking lot.

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey's an Catty law center.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious. Are you still looking for information about

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the missing teacher or was she found? What information do

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you have? Oh, I just saw something unusual when I

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was leaving work from the hospital, and I don't know

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if it involves her or not. I just saw like

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an argument, you know. Two cars pulled into the parking

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lot when I was leaving about five forty five on

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Tuesday evening, and one looked kind of like her van,

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and she got out and she was upset. She was

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talking really loudly, and she walked towards the driver's door

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of the other cars that looked like kind of like

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a sedan or something. Okay, I had more than one

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person in it, and I don't know if it was her.

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You know, I didn't look real good, but I'm a physician,

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and I just got in my car real quick because

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I thought maybe there was a fight, and there wasn't

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hardly anybody else there, you know, this parking lot was

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pretty empty.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, the cops located no Ema in record time.

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Do doo the consistency of her routine. She always took

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a walk at Chittauqua Park at the end of the

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school day, so that's where they first started looking.

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Speaker 11: Now un the nust and then we've found the body

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at that point. The body was found close to sundown,

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but the search pattern located her relatively quickly. She was

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in a you know, not a well traveled part of

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the park, but she wasn't a public park, you know.

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Speaker 1: The police formed a grid and officers started looking near

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the northeast side, where thick underbrush lined railroad tracks. Keeping

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the others in view, one went forward and saw a

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red wheelbarrow hidden in the shadows with a blue tarp

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strewn over it. Near this was a cluster of rocks

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showing faint red drops of what seemed like blood. Careful

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not to disturb the evidence, the two continued walking westward

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and came to a paved trail deep into the park.

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But then, all of a sudden, the officer turned around

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and spotted a green sweater and dark shirt lying tangled

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in the brush. The sweater marked with The brown stain

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was twisted amongst branches, and the shirt had a red

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substance with the unmistakable consistency of blood. Then a call

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came in from an officer back where the wheelbarrow was seen.

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He found what appeared to be a human foot barely

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visible beneath the tarp, partially covered by the railroad tie.

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As they regrouped at that location, they had to climb

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down a steep hill. This is where they uncovered Noema

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about one hundred yards east of the trail, under the

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tarp and wheelbarrow. She had been violently assaulted. Her pants

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were down around her ankles with her underwear, Her top

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had slid up or was pulled up, and she was

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wearing only a white bra lying somewhat on her side.

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The back of her head was noticeably battered and bloody,

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with tiny twigs and broken leaves smashed into the hair

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strands along with dried, caked blood. As the search pressed on,

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other deputies followed new leads streaming in from the dispatch center.

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One collar in particular would deliver a revelation that changed everything,

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fast tracking the hunt for Noema's killer or killers. This

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was the first homicide in Jefferson County in over ten years.

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In the early morning hours after NOA. Mcgrabor's body was found,

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residents of Fairfield, Iowa were about to face the reality

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of her brutal killing. It was the fall of twenty

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twenty one. In quiet town, known for its peaceful streets

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and close knit community, was suddenly shaken by the kind

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of tragedy it had rarely, if ever faced. The victim

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was one of their very own respected teachers. After a

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quickly finding Noema at the local Chautauqua Park, the investigation

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shifted into high gear. Local law enforcement, alongside state investigators,

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started piecing together the evidence, hoping to make sense of

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what happened. Leeds emerged, calls kept coming in, and a

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clearer picture of Noema's final hours was starting to take shape.

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But for detectives, one question loomed largest of all, who

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could do this and why. The very person closest to

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Noema was her ex husband, who still lived with her

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part time. The pair had even discussed getting remarried, something

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that would make all three of their children happy, but

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especially their youngest since he was disabled. Her ex husband, Paul,

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brought out some startling information while Noema was well expected

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amongst her peers. She wasn't liked by all the students,

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especially the students who didn't work hard for their grades.

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He also noted that there was a history of grade

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changing at FHS for quote unquote favorite people. He specifically

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pointed the finger at Principal Becker. Get this, Paul said,

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former Principal Becker wanted his wife fired for not fixing grades,

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and the current administration immediately fell into the same mindset,

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the mentality that no child should be left behind, no

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matter what the circumstances, but especially not if it's their child.

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Paul said his wife was even confronted by the current

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principal and his wife in order to give their son

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a better grade, but no aimas standards would never or

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do something like this. It's you know, unethical, remember ethics,

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remember that shit. She rebutted that the only way she

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would change their son's grade would be if she changed

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every student's grade too. Paul reported that former Principal Becker

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threatened his wife physically by telling her he hoped he'd

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never meet her alone. Becker tried to get her fired

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but was unable to only because of a procedural error.

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Becker was in the room when the vote was taken.

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The current vice principal had the same negative view of

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Noema because of her posture on grades. I guess the

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idea of them being earned in all didn't sit well.

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If you think our legal system is bad, then don't

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even bother looking at the educational system. It'll frustrate the

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fuck out of you. According to Paul, his wife was

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a very old school in the way she thought, you know,

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earning things and not just being handed them boomer shit.

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Some people don't like boomer shit and they get very,

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very angry. Paul said, if a student wanted a grade,

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she expected them to put in the work and didn't

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believe in just handing them out. He went on to

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tell police that at one point their house was egged

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and windows were broken by a huge group of students

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who also threatened will get you, meaning they were going

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to be violent if they didn't get their way. So

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who would have thought that being a teacher, at least

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one that takes their job seriously would make you a

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target by the very administration who's supposed to be watching

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over these children. Among the calls flooding in a dispatch

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and the DA's office one call stood out and led

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investigators in a dark direction.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jefferson County in Law Center, Payter says Tracy again, Hi, Hey,

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I have a question. I don't know what TD officers

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are working or anything, but I was talking with my

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daughter and she was talking with me a little more

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about the boy that she's kind of seeing being friends

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with this kid that I talked to Barker about, and

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she gave me a little more info from this friend.

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I didn't know if it was something I needed to

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bring her in and disclose to an author.

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Speaker 4: Okay, who do you know who the kid is, Tracy?

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Speaker 3: The boy she's seeing, his name is Bill or Billan

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or something like that. This this Bill, and it has

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it's pertaining to this teacher.

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Speaker 4: But yessing, yes, so Bill.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, according to Olivia a couple of weeks ago, this

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kid I can't say his name, Chasen or Jayden or whatever.

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Speaker 10: You know A lot of.

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Speaker 3: Friend I do not, m hm, So I guess Olivia said.

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A few days ago this Shyden told his friend Dyll

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that Olivia is kind of dating. Not to be surprised

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that the teacher comes up missing.

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Speaker 9: Right right?

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Speaker 11: Okay?

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Speaker 3: And so I just didn't know if I needed to

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bring her in so she could just tell them what

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she had discussed with the boyfriend.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 7: And your daughter is Madison or this is Olivia?

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Speaker 3: Olivia is Olivia? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Are they currently still seeing each other? Dyl and Olivia?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean there's they'll talk every night.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So okay, and.

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Speaker 4: Night told this Shandon boy is the one that told.

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Speaker 3: Dil Yes, and Bill told Olivia. Because Bill is concerned.

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Speaker 7: Sure, let me go ahead and pass on the information

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on this tracy.

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Speaker 1: This mother gave two different time frames for when this

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kid had heard the information. That's days and two weeks,

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but whether it was days or weeks, this was evidence

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that some students still had it out for their Spanish teacher.

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One of those students who admitted he didn't like her

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and quote wouldn't be surprised if she disappeared was named

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Willard Noble Chaydon Miller and simply went by the name Chayden.

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Speaker 12: What were you getting in Spanish?

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Speaker 6: I was really great because so I started the year

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like any other with open mind ambition.

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Speaker 12: I want to get the work time.

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Speaker 13: I'm not only the kids.

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Speaker 6: I don't see how did people have the same class

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on their phoneland, like they know that we're it's not

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the hearty honestly, and it makes your life how and

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it really just funks over your future. Honestly, this crap

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is very old fashioned. Hate technology. Yeah, well makes your life.

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Speaker 12: Hell.

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Speaker 6: She sees your phone and she's not that great at English,

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so just that as she kind of just stands upon

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the class and like talks about stuff and then we'll those words.

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I feel like the information has not been covered nearly

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enough for us.

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Speaker 14: There's some kids like us can do it.

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Speaker 12: She takes favorites.

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Speaker 15: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't look at speaking Italy because she's really missing.

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Speaker 12: But I just I.

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Speaker 6: Wasn't one of her favorites, I think, and she will prioritize.

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Speaker 12: Her favorites even though they're the ones that are usually

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doing the best in class.

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Speaker 6: And just the way she teaches, it's not like to

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pass the class, and it feels very self taught and

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you're on your own.

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Speaker 1: Jayden tried talking to Noema and even talk to the

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principle about her. The principal's response was to tell him

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that he was aware of the problem because so many

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kids through the generations had trouble and tried to get

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her fired. The principle took copious notes, and Jayden remarked

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that he was a good principle who liked the kids

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a lot, and that made the principle happy, but who

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had so much hatred towards Noema that they would attack

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her and bash her skulling. That's what police wanted to

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know and did mention.

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Speaker 5: We're here, you know, helping out with the investigation, trying

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to figure out what happened with missus Graver.

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Speaker 12: What do you think happened to her?

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Speaker 14: It's not like she's a very routine persons prayers with.

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They liked her to just often leave.

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Speaker 12: And when you say she's very routine, what do you

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what do you What do you know about her that

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would indicate that she's very routine.

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Speaker 6: Well, she's always on time, she's always where she says

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she'll be when she says that. I don't have so

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much of a personal relationship with her, but I know

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people that too.

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Speaker 12: Do you know of anybody out there that would have.

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Speaker 5: A serious gripe with with miss Greebor that may want

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to hurt her in some way?

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Speaker 16: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of kids that fall into the same

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boat as me and Spanish classes and they don't like her.

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Speaker 14: She's of a asshole. Sometimes not like her enough to

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hurt her.

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Speaker 13: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I heard about her wisdow being smashed.

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Speaker 14: I don't know how long than that was. And then

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just yesterday my.

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Speaker 6: Dad he had gone and actually had a meeting with

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her because I had been complaining to him about her

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and how this Spanish is kind of shitting on my GPA,

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and so he was like, Okay, I'm gonna talk to her.

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And he just told me yesterday on while driving me

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the therapy that he didn't want to tell me anything

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because I would still to seeing her. But apparently so,

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I don't know that it happened all in the same night.

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Her house got aimed and peeped, and I guess the

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window was smashed. I guess I had him all at

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the same time, and that meeting, missus Graver.

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Speaker 12: Had asked him about it.

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Speaker 14: That's how he found out acid because she was suspecting me.

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Speaker 1: It was clear that a lot of people took issue

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with no AMA students, parents and even the principle, well

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both principles, to be fair, She had a history of

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students vandalizing her house at least once. But while Jayden

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felt like his Spanish grade was shitting on the rest

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of his GPA, he confronted no Ama directly and wasn't

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part of the group that had broken windows.

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Speaker 12: And so again, we're.

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Speaker 5: Not here to come down on you if you were

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involved in an egging or a teaching But if you

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were involved, I don't.

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Speaker 12: But if you were involved, we want to get.

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Speaker 5: It out of the table now so we can identify

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that and move on from it.

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Speaker 12: Okay, so were you involved. You were not involved, And

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I know I have no idea.

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Speaker 6: Usually people like something like this happens. You can find

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out once against small town people can be boast. You

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never know when no word will slip from someone's Mount

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Minico spread anything.

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Speaker 14: And I could ask around me if I don't, but

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I bet there'd be very quiet because it was pretty serious.

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I mean, smashing things would do. Yes, that's a big charge.

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Actually if not, well, if you could be very easily

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become breaking an entering rity, no not just if you

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snatch the window and if you go inside and.

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Speaker 12: Start making you know, messes around made it, that could

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be an issue. But so for a high school. That's

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pretty Yeah, that was so.

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Speaker 5: Tell me that is there any can you think of

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any reason why somebody might say you were involved in that?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 14: Because we butt heads in class.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but like with a little bit more specifically, like

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anybody might say, like, hey, listen, I know for a fact.

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Speaker 12: He was involved.

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Speaker 14: Not I think he was no other than us arguing

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in class. You know, I don't Okay, Yeah, I wasn't.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, I won't.

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Speaker 6: Miss it because because it's so easily go south, I

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feel like if mcco pulls up, but it's not, it's

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just a hole.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 1: Jayden may not have been involved in vandalizing no AMA's

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house with a group of students, but he did know

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something else about another group and their retaliation against her

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in the park on the day she went missing. This

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is what he says happened.

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Speaker 5: It was very.

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Speaker 6: Sketchy, and I am very good with body language, and

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I knew that I did not.

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Speaker 14: Want to be involved, and.

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Speaker 6: I got out of there as I want to go down,

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want to completely disassociate myself from anything.

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Speaker 12: That would have happened. You wanted to have had.

481
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Speaker 6: Time before anything happened, I said, I need to get

482
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out of here. If something goes down, I don't want.

483
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Speaker 12: To be involved at all.

484
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Speaker 6: And I left, and I didn't assist with anything. I

485
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had no I want to say, no knowledge, but I

486
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,079
something was up.

487
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Speaker 12: And who if I'm with you, did? I know it's okay,

488
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and I know there's.

489
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Speaker 6: It's just something was kind of I've been in situations

490
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where you know this isn't by languages, ok Okay, don't

491
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:32,640
short change it now.

492
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Speaker 12: I'm not short changing it, Okay.

493
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Speaker 6: What I was saying is that I've been in situations

494
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where I may not be involved, but I may be

495
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with the people that did it or whatever it was,

496
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,279
and things go south very very quickly as soon as

497
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officers show up and whatnot.

498
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Speaker 4: And I knew that I.

499
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Speaker 6: Could feel that this is this could be very easy

500
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to be one of those situations, and so I left.

501
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Speaker 12: Okay, tell me about the situation.

502
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,559
Speaker 6: I was at Chautauqua with Jeremy and I seen this Grams.

503
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Speaker 5: Car pull up and this is yesterday and or sorry

504
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two days ago, Tuesday.

505
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,279
Speaker 12: Night, right, and something didn't.

506
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 6: I had had some buy some prior something from the

507
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,799
past few days, and I knew that this is this

508
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,480
is when I'm gonna leave because I don't know what's

509
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,440
gonna go down. And I did, okay, And I don't

510
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know anything past that point other than the next day

511
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,359
I see that she's not abschool.

512
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Speaker 1: This is the part where Jeremy Goodale comes in. Jayden

513
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was at Chatauqua Park with his friend Jeremy and Jeremy's

514
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:45,920
girlfriend Zoe.

515
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Speaker 12: We were hanging out.

516
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,599
Speaker 6: For a little bit and we were at the shelter

517
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that's you can kind of see the parking lot, you know,

518
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that's far off you can see.

519
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:57,559
Speaker 12: The parking lot. But then Zoe has to leave.

520
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Speaker 6: She leaves, and than some I'm shouldn't you right? And

521
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well if I see miss Grayberg, don't.

522
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Speaker 5: Go over that?

523
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 12: What was doing right?

524
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Speaker 6: I had had I had heard prior things for the

525
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,519
past week about just a lot of people talking about

526
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:23,279
missus Drayberg, and just I knew something I met that

527
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there were other people at the park.

528
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,759
Speaker 12: Posted up I don't know on the trail or what.

529
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,799
Speaker 6: But and I had seen from teenagers when they were

530
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coming like in the distance going down and it was sketchy.

531
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And I see her, and I think something might go down.

532
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I need to disassociate myself cause I am.

533
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 12: I'm staying on the right track. I need to.

534
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Speaker 14: Keep clean record.

535
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Speaker 6: I'm getting all my trades in, I'm getting as much

536
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,759
college credit in. I'm not trying to fuck this up

537
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:59,680
by getting becoming a suspect because of me being by

538
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,559
some thing that just happened in being a teenager.

539
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Speaker 5: And so I left.

540
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Speaker 1: And that's what every parent hopes their kid will do. Right,

541
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,400
leave the scene when shit starts getting shady. But what

542
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,320
about his friend Jeremy. Well, unbeknownst to him, Jeremy has

543
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,679
already been implicated in one of many phone calls reporting

544
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:29,719
sightings of Noema from Wisconsin no less, But Jeremy does

545
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,159
not disassociate himself like his friend Jayden does.

546
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Speaker 10: Hi, I'm calling regarding maybe some information about a missing

547
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,800
woman Noma Graber.

548
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Speaker 9: Okay, what's your name?

549
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 10: My name is Sean Allen.

550
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 9: Say El Alien, Yes it is Okay, what information do

551
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you have?

552
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Speaker 10: Okay, So I've got a fort I live in Wisconsin.

553
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,920
I've got a fourteen year old who has been playing

554
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:11,559
Xbox with a young man named Jeremy. That's a lesbian

555
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:18,159
good Gooddale g O O d A l E. My

556
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,400
son and my son's friend from California have been in

557
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,599
an Xbox Snapchat relationship with this person for a couple

558
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:35,639
of years. My son comes to me tonight, it just distressed,

559
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:42,159
just distressed, crying, and he's got to tell me something important,

560
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,159
and he proceeds to tell me. He tells me that

561
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:53,280
this Jeremy person had shared with my son and my

562
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:01,639
son's California friend that he killed somebody and there was

563
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,320
a group of people and he described some things in

564
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,800
detail to do with a bat and a car in

565
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It freaked my son out. He kind of blew it off.

566
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But then they received this ktvo missing person's thing, and

567
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now it's got my son just really really really freaked out.

568
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: So you know how Snapchat's really big because the messages

569
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and pictures are immediately deleted with the correct settings. Two warnings.

570
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First of all, the receiver can still screenshot it naud duh.

571
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,400
And of course the cops can always get their hands

572
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,079
on records through a subpoena. Oh I'm sorry. Did you

573
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:53,679
think it was end to end encryptid? Yeah?

574
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Speaker 2: Right?

575
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,639
Speaker 10: And then, like I said, last night, Ben and Jack

576
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,320
received a snap which I think has been self deleted

577
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:08,800
or gone at this point. But this Jeremy allegedly told

578
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,239
this tale about what he had done. And then then

579
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,960
my son thinks Jeremy may be using drugs.

580
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 4: And when did Jeremy sail this?

581
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 10: Then what time yesterday did Jeremy get a hold of you?

582
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,519
Ten o'clock last night Central time?

583
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: This bag the question. Since Jeremy admitted he killed someone,

584
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did he say when he did this?

585
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 10: So Ben's thinking between after school and ten o'clock?

586
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: Okay, Sean, how do you say your first name?

587
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: B A?

588
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 10: And yeah, okay, picture where Oh it sounds like Ben

589
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,400
and Jack, my son and my son's friend were a

590
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,760
little freaked out and we're trying to be sleuths and

591
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,840
track where this guy was on Snapchat and took some

592
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,000
screenshots and stuff.

593
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Speaker 8: So did it show that he's at Fairfield?

594
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,679
Speaker 10: It shows that Jeremy is in Fairfield.

595
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Speaker 1: Apparently Jeremy thought that since Snapchat is anonymous and can

596
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be set to delete immediately, it was okay to confess

597
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:23,199
to murder to someone in a different state. Not only

598
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,639
did Jeremy confess, but he also gave details like a

599
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:34,320
complete fucking moron, you know, zoomers the future leaders of society.

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Speaker 10: Ben was recalling that Jeremy said there was a group

601
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of friends that then. Did they say they hid the car,

602
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,039
did something with the body? Did any of that? I think,

603
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,280
I don't know. He showed me a picture of that

604
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,519
him packing a bleach into a backpack from the hed

605
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the body, and he said. Ben says Jeremy sent him

606
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,000
to pictures of what appeared to be a bloodied shirt

607
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,559
and bleachs going into a backpack.

608
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Speaker 1: Imagine you're a parent and your kid lays this on you,

609
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,920
would you believe them?

610
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,119
Speaker 10: Part of me was thinking, Okay, this is got to

611
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:21,159
be bullshit. But then you know, we found the kid

612
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:25,880
on Facebook. Ben knows that he plays tennis. That name

613
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,880
is on the tennis roster at the high school in Fairfield. Again,

614
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:34,239
somebody weird could have all figured that out and made

615
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,760
it up. But right, but whatever, there's some of those

616
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,840
things were lining up. I don't know when this, I

617
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,320
don't know when this missing person's thing came out. It

618
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,559
looks like it looks like today.

619
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Speaker 1: The missing person's alert hit the state of Wisconsin just

620
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two days after the group of teens allegedly killed no Ema.

621
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This dad called in because his son received a snap

622
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,400
from a gamer friend Jeremy, who lived in Iowa. Jeremy

623
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,960
implicated a whole group of teens and police were interviewing Chayden,

624
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:16,320
who initially claimed no involvement. But Chayden's story was changing, and.

625
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Speaker 5: I get why you came in here, and you spent

626
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,119
the first forty five minutes avoiding certain things because they're very,

627
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:24,800
very uncomfortable to talk with.

628
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Speaker 12: Okay, But even in this new version of.

629
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Speaker 5: It that you're telling me, where you were out there

630
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and you actually saw this graver pull up, you saw

631
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her pull up, and then you decided.

632
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Speaker 12: Oh, I don't want to be a part of this.

633
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,639
That doesn't I don't buy that for a second. Not

634
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for a second. She pulled up, and I knew, here's why.

635
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,199
Can I tell you why that doesn't shake out?

636
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Speaker 5: Because for forty five minutes you were in you're saying,

637
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no Chicagua.

638
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 12: Barely any Jeremy nowhere about my house.

639
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Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, that confronts you with the effect

640
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,400
of something that you already knew was true, and then

641
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,000
your story angels, but not enough.

642
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: Jaden's story was a slow rollout, like putting your big

643
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,599
toe in a lake to see how cold it is,

644
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:13,320
and if you can handle it, then putting your whole

645
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,800
foot in and then your leg so you realize you're

646
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,599
freezing and you should get the hell out of this lake. Anyway,

647
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,800
the story kept changing, one little bit at a time.

648
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 5: Okay, like I shouldn't have a lot of people working

649
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,559
on this. I can tell in your eyes that you

650
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:35,079
have regrets, okay, but it lies in the falsehoods and

651
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,320
have truth. Don't show a person who's remorseful about what

652
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:38,880
they did.

653
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Speaker 15: We were walking down the path of the road and

654
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,719
there were other people. Okay, I'm telling you this was

655
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,599
not a one person thing. There were five, six, seven maybe.

656
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 6: Okay, And so I'm walking down and then we get

657
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to there's another.

658
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Speaker 12: Trail that heads off.

659
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 6: And then a few minutes later I looked down and

660
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I kind of see who There are multiple people.

661
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 12: Around, and they were moving moving what a body okay, and.

662
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 6: I freaked out. I had a panic attack and I ran.

663
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Speaker 1: But as the officer pointed out already, he wasn't buying it,

664
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not for a second. And if Jayden didn't want to

665
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,480
immerse himself in the deep waters of truth, he was

666
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:38,559
going to get a shove.

667
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 12: We're right back to where we started you understand change,

668
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,079
you understand how that doesn't shake out.

669
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Speaker 5: Okay, And as I told you, we have other people

670
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,280
putting you a lot deeper involved in this than what

671
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,039
you're explaining.

672
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 12: Okay. Basically, what we're trying to figure out is whether you're.

673
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Speaker 5: The ring leader or you're just along for the ride,

674
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because there's a big difference.

675
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 12: Plan anything.

676
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 14: No one put in any plans.

677
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,599
Speaker 12: And she looking right now. I can tell you how

678
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:10,679
I regret about what happened. Okay. We can't change the past.

679
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:12,639
And it's a bitter pill to swallow.

680
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: With all the interviews being conducted and all the surveillance

681
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,599
footage reviewed, there was one person who could either get

682
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,119
Chayden off the hook or completely drown him. The kid

683
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,840
that sent the snapchat, Jeremy Goodale.

684
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 5: I'm glad you're here because we certainly have a lot

685
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of things that.

686
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,039
Speaker 12: We kind of need to hash out and whatnot.

687
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Speaker 5: I've got some questions that I'd certainly like to discuss

688
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:45,559
with Jeremy if possible, but because he's a minor.

689
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 12: We need to go through you. Okay.

690
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 5: I'm sure at the conclusion of any questions that I have,

691
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,119
I'm sure he'll ask some questions for me, but ultimately

692
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,239
that's completely up to the two of you whether you

693
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,800
want to speak any further with me and hear what

694
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,519
I have to say.

695
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 12: I like him, was that this is an investigation of

696
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:07,960
this Grover been found.

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00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,599
Speaker 5: So at this point and I'll be up front eyes

698
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:16,239
with you, at this point, human remains have been located. Okay,

699
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,039
those human remains have not been positively identified as Missus Graver,

700
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,079
but due to a lot of different circumstances, we feel

701
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:27,840
there's a murder investigation.

702
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: Jaden eventually accepted public defense, but Jeremy and his dad

703
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:37,320
hired a lawyer right away and didn't speak. It didn't

704
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,400
really matter though, who spoke and who didn't. The cops

705
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,639
had Jeremy and snapchat admitting the murder and showing a

706
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,800
bloody shirt. They had footage of Jeremy pushing a wheelbarrow

707
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,880
past the school to Chataqua Park that night. They had

708
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,719
the kids at school saying Jayden told them I caught

709
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,079
a body with a baseball bat. With all this evidence

710
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:06,480
and more, there was enough probable cause for search warrants.

711
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,719
They uncovered the bat, the murder weapon, the footage at

712
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,280
the park during the hours of Noema's murder and concealment

713
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,920
showed no other teens in the park. It was down

714
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,480
to Jeremy and Chayden. All the evidence was pointing to

715
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,880
Jeremy as the lead killer, but what didn't make sense

716
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:32,480
was the motive. Jeremy had already taken and passed Noema

717
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:38,559
Graber's Spanish class. He had literally no skin in the game.

718
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,239
It was Chayden who was planning a trip to Spain

719
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,000
that depended on whether or not he passed or failed.

720
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,360
It was also Chayden and his dad who went to

721
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:56,159
discuss this grade within hours of Noema's murder. According to

722
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:59,880
her husband, Noeima warned him about this meeting with Chaydon

723
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:05,039
and his parents. She said it wasn't pleasant and she

724
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:09,239
felt like Chaydon legitimately hated her. She would even turn

725
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,360
from the whiteboard to face the class, and every time

726
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:17,239
she felt like Chayden's angry stare was burning into her core.

727
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:23,440
Both teens were arrested and eleven months later, Jeremy offered

728
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,400
to give a complete and accurate account of what happened

729
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,719
in exchange for leniency.

730
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,559
Speaker 17: But do you recall the first time ever having a

731
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:37,159
conversation with chadon about miss Graver, and not necessarily about

732
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,519
what happened, but just a conversation with him about, you know,

733
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:42,920
some frustrations or a general awareness of her.

734
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 18: Probably would have been about a month and a half

735
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:51,960
before November second, he would have brought up He brought

736
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,920
up some frustrations to me talking about how he was

737
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,440
having a hard time he didn't feel like she was

738
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,639
being very adequate understanding.

739
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,159
Speaker 12: So probably early in the school year.

740
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,119
Speaker 1: Okay, so hypothetically, of course, exactly how do you approach

741
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:14,960
another person, especially at school and ask for help been

742
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:16,400
killing a teacher?

743
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 12: It was just like any other day.

744
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 18: I was eating lunch in the cafeteria with John and

745
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,440
Shaden and a few.

746
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 19: Other people that we said with, and when I got

747
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,280
up to bust my lunch trays, he kind of pulled

748
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:39,679
me aside and said, would you help me if I

749
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,559
killed missus Graver?

750
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's just like that.

751
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:45,519
Speaker 12: What was your response.

752
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 18: I had paused for a moment and looked at him,

753
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:51,880
and then I said sure pretty much.

754
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:58,119
Speaker 17: I said yes, okay, And I mean, that's not a

755
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:02,719
request that a friend asked every day, And so what

756
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,400
was your immediate reaction that, Like, Hey, he's my best friend,

757
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,000
he needs something, I'm here to help, or what kind

758
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,159
of thoughts were going through your mind before you say.

759
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,119
Speaker 12: Like, yeah, sure, I mean.

760
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 18: Originally was just trying to yeah. As soon as he

761
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,719
said that, I was like, holy shit, I mean, I

762
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,400
guess I'll help you. I'm just trying to be a

763
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:24,920
good friend.

764
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,119
Speaker 1: Just trying to be a good friend. That's what goes

765
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:34,920
through the minds of underdeveloped, idiotic brains. Remember that I.

766
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,039
Speaker 12: Would have been feeling pretty nervous at the time.

767
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,199
Speaker 18: I mean, at this point, I was pretty convinced that

768
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,800
he was going to go through with it, and I

769
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,519
had already agreed, and I just didn't want to seem

770
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:51,960
like a coward or a whissp by backing out at

771
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:52,960
the last moment.

772
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 1: Well, Jeremy was committed enough to his friendship with Jayden

773
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,679
to be complicit in murder. It seems the friendship may

774
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,800
not have been reciprocated. It sure felt like Chayden tried

775
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,760
to pin everything on first a group of kids and

776
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:15,159
second Jeremy sou speciously. He asked Jeremy to go to

777
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:18,960
get a wheelbarrow from Chaden's house. Later that night, when

778
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,199
they moved the body. Was he trying to set them up?

779
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,519
This was da Chauncey Moulding's response.

780
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,079
Speaker 11: Well, you're asking a question that we on on our

781
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:34,559
team have asked a few times, and I think I

782
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,880
think it was. I haven't watched the proper innyview with

783
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,199
Jeremy in a very long time, but there was a

784
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,760
real big part of my thought process that wondered why

785
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,320
Chadon couldn't bring the wheelbarrow himself and was it possible

786
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,239
that he was setting Jeremy up to be the ball

787
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,639
And I don't have enough information one way or the other,

788
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,719
but you know, it doesn't make sense to me if

789
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,199
we're both sneaking out of our house at midnight for it.

790
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,719
Ask if you and I live in the same town

791
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,480
or were going to meet at the same place at midnight,

792
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:05,320
I wouldn't ask you to come to my house and

793
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,159
grab something. I would bring it myself.

794
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: This isn't to say that Jeremy wasn't completely in on

795
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,199
the plan. He was, and nobody forced him to tattle

796
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,760
to his gamer friend through snapchat either. Remember the picture

797
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:24,280
was sent showing Jeremy's face, with the caption saying that

798
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,400
this was the last face his Spanish teacher would see.

799
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,760
It didn't feel like there was a lot of remorse.

800
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 17: That to me shows somebody that's not ashamed of what

801
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,400
he's doing. Is what I'm getting that, and so there

802
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,559
had to be some pride. I would think that was

803
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,039
between the two of you, that you're working together on

804
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:47,519
this and executing the way that you went into.

805
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:48,119
Speaker 12: Is that fair?

806
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,519
Speaker 18: There would have been some bravado, sure, right, project myself as.

807
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,679
Speaker 12: Some cold hearted killering, right?

808
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 17: Okay, okay, Now when was thet's talk about In terms

809
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,039
of the planning. You agree to help him out, You

810
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,880
agree that, hey, there's a four eight weekend coming up.

811
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,519
What are your different options here? Explain what you mean options?

812
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:13,559
Speaker 12: What are the.

813
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 17: Different options for a plan like we could shooter her,

814
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,039
we could use baseball bats and we could stab, or

815
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,880
we could do all these different things. What's being discussed

816
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,519
between you two?

817
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,639
Speaker 18: I really just left the planning up to him.

818
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Detectives were able to back up Jeremy's story after finding

819
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,159
a murder list created by Chaden that detailed every implement

820
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:41,480
they would need down to garbage bags. Then, under a

821
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:46,639
column entitled procedure were the damning words of a young killer.

822
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,400
It's done, Move off the trail, empty compartments, load cargo,

823
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,480
blanket cargo, deactivate compartment contents, leave the bag by exit

824
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:05,480
and transport safely. Stun switch glove, deactivate the article to bag.

825
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,159
Finalize the win, secure victory, load into the storage spot.

826
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Don't forget to close the door on the ground and

827
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:20,639
switch gloves. Move the sticks, wipe down tools, dispose of articles,

828
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:22,800
and grab bag by exit.

829
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: Done.

830
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Just going to say this once if you're the type

831
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:31,840
of person that has the limited intellectual capacity to where

832
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,039
you have to write things down otherwise they might slip

833
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:40,280
your mind. And one of those things is a list

834
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,440
of items you'll need for murder and how to actually murder,

835
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,920
and you have to actually write out the word done

836
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,920
at the end of it. You know, I hate to

837
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,679
say this, but you might not have what it takes

838
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:40,320
for murder. In Fairfield, Iowa, a place with small town

839
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,239
routines and traditions, students at Fairfield High School were used

840
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,159
to getting a pass in some classes, like Spanish, at

841
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,599
least some students were, and it seemed the school's administration

842
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,280
condoned the lenient grades given out to some no student

843
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,480
left behind, you know, all that bullshit, But Noaai mcgrabor's

844
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:08,880
traditional style and strict grading left some students frustrated and resentful,

845
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:14,119
particularly those who think they're entitled to whatever grades they

846
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:20,159
want again, particularly a student by the name of Chaden Miller.

847
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,039
Chayden and Jeremy were two ordinary high school boys. Both

848
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:30,239
were you know, somewhat intelligent, I guess, and neither had

849
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:35,639
a criminal record. But Chayden was ambitious and calculating. He

850
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,079
led the way by repeatedly venting his frustrations about his

851
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,400
Spanish grade and how this was going to fuck up

852
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,519
his future.

853
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 12: I guess.

854
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: Murder wouldn't do that, though, right, moron right. Jeremy, his

855
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:56,320
loyal friend who'd known him since preschool, was impulsive and

856
00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:00,119
easily influenced, so he quickly fell in line with his

857
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,760
friend's ideas. If you can't lead, follow, that's what they

858
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,079
say anyway. On November two, twenty twenty one, the extent

859
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:14,559
of Chayden's hatred became horrifyingly real when search teams found

860
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:19,559
Noah mac Greebor's body concealed under a tarp and wheelbarrow

861
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:23,360
in a heavily wooded area of to Taquate Park. On

862
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:29,320
that day, two ordinary students with hopeful futures became hardened killers.

863
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 11: When Chaden and Jeremy were brought in and it was

864
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,760
determined that we had probably cause to charge first degree

865
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,840
murder for both Chaden and Jeremy. The most difficult part

866
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,519
in the initial stages for me personally was just having

867
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,199
to sit down with Jeremy's family and Jayden's family and

868
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,400
explain to them, Look, I'm sorry that you the one

869
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,599
have to tell you this, but both your sons are

870
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:55,119
in custody, and both of them have charges for killing

871
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,840
missus Graber, and they will not be on a such thing.

872
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: Noam mcgreeber would all so not becoming home. She may

873
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,320
have been an old school teacher, but she was still

874
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,199
loved by many students and certainly loved by her family.

875
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 11: She gave up that life to move here and keep

876
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,159
Spanish who she was married to, Paul, who her husband,

877
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:24,239
who unfortunately all died a week before of Jad, so

878
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,320
he was very very good. The whole Graver family is

879
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,760
some of the most sweet and just open hearted people

880
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:36,840
were never dealt with as victims, and they're very to

881
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,519
be completely friends with you. Far more forgiving of these

882
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:44,239
two boys than I ever would be. So she was

883
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,239
a well regarded teacher. I think that she made a

884
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,880
pretty big impact on the case that she taught. She

885
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:54,320
was strict, but she was fair and she was very kind,

886
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,719
and I think that she really kind of left an

887
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,400
impact on the kids that she taught because there is

888
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,800
there is still like a memorial for her, and the

889
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,880
kids put something together every year, an annual walk for

890
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,079
missus Graeber at the park where she was killed.

891
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: Chayden was in fact the leader, planner, and mastermind behind

892
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,000
the killing of Noah mcgreebor. Though Chayden's parents were separated,

893
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,159
he lived with his mother and his father lived around

894
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:29,519
the corner. Provided with a doting mom and a sharp mind,

895
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:33,880
he couldn't bear the idea of anything or anyone standing

896
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,679
in the way of his plans. After all, they were

897
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:43,880
his plans and the children are our future, or so

898
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:49,239
I'm told. Noa mcgreebor, his Spanish teacher, had become an obstacle,

899
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:55,000
and Chayden didn't like obstacles. Jayden's dream was to join

900
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,679
an exchange program in Spain, a plan that he feared

901
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:04,760
is failing. Spanish great aid would ruin. Ironically, his victim's

902
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,280
story started with a similar dream. No Aima first met

903
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,559
her husband Paul in Mexico when he was an exchange student.

904
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,960
Little did she know that by refusing to give in

905
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:21,280
to the demands of this young man Chayden, his family

906
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,840
and the school administration, she would lose her life to

907
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:32,079
his ambition. Well, he pled guilty and was given life

908
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:36,480
and the possibility of parole in thirty five years. His

909
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:42,440
statement that the sentencing hearing was anything but ambitious, I.

910
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 12: Like to say this opportunity to its possibly for the

911
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,719
morel India murder.

912
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,639
Speaker 5: I would like to appall use for my action as

913
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,440
first and foremost through the family.

914
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,679
Speaker 2: I'm a serting sorrier for the distress that I.

915
00:58:58,719 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 12: Caused you, the devastation.

916
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:10,159
Speaker 1: Sorry, some of Noema's family didn't quite believe in Chaden's sincerity.

917
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,559
Speaker 20: To this day is going to make that he feels

918
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:17,039
no genuine worse. No doubt he's sorry for himself. I'm

919
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:21,360
sorry he's here, sorry for what's coming, perhaps sorry for

920
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,800
his family, But I don't believe he feels genuine remorse

921
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,440
or slaughtering in the way of Braver. I believe willerd

922
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,679
Chade Miller should be sentenced to life in prison, the

923
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,280
primate that he actually served no less than thirty five

924
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,559
years before becoming eligible to be considered for the possibility

925
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:37,039
of them.

926
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: Sadly, Jeremy's dad died of cancer after becoming weakened from

927
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:47,800
the stress of this whole ordeal. His only son committed

928
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,760
an act that would stain his life and he would

929
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,719
never see his son as a freeman again. The funeral

930
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,639
was held the day before Chayden's sentencing, making it all

931
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:06,800
that much sadder. Jeremy good Ale was Jayden's opposite in

932
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,880
many ways. Whereas Chayden had friends, he was socially awkward.

933
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,159
Jeremy was the more popular of the two, but somehow

934
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:20,639
played the role of follower to Chayden's lead. He was

935
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:25,840
easily influenced and quite vulnerable. The only boy with four

936
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,079
older sisters, you might think there was plenty of estrogen

937
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,320
in the household, but his parents separated when he was

938
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,440
just ten, and his mother moved to a different state

939
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,119
with her boyfriend. This was Jeremy's dad at the sentencing

940
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:42,239
hearing right before he died.

941
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 6: You know he was.

942
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 16: He wasn't, I'm kind of.

943
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: What he said through his tears was that Jeremy's mom

944
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:58,440
kind of abandoned him. From then forward, their relationship was

945
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:04,760
strained and eventually stopped altogether. Jeremy's dad did the best

946
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,199
he could to keep the family farm going, but he

947
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:12,039
had to sell it when Jeremy was twelve. Then twenty

948
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:16,119
twenty came along, and Jeremy's dad attributes the school closings

949
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and isolation as playing a role in Jeremy's deteriorating mental health.

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Speaker 13: And how was Jeremy performing with his school work when

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everything was online?

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Speaker 21: Not very well.

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Speaker 16: You know, I was a single parent at that time.

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I had to go to work, I had to provide

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for the family, and I was to leave a fourteen

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year old kid at home by himself. He had to

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be online.

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Speaker 21: Because that's how we're getting the studies. It wasn't under

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his answer, he could imagine he was not doing this work.

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He was no matter what I seem to do. Since

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he had access to the internet, you know, I couldn't

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keep him from playing video games and that's pretty much

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what he did all day.

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Speaker 1: His dad went on to say that he sought out

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three different mental health therapists for his son, but weirdly,

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he never got to have a single session with any

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of them. Two of them died suddenly before the first appointment,

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and one lost his license just before the first session.

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Speaker 12: Weird.

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Speaker 1: After the lockdowns and loneliness of twenty twenty, Jeremy came

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to school hungry for a connection and his need to belong.

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He was easily influenced by Chaden. Maybe Jeremy didn't realize

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how far things would go. In his mind, it was

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too late to back out of the dark plan for

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fear of coming off to his friend as weak. But

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unlike Chaydon, Jeremy was plagued by remorse after fully realizing

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the horror of what he'd been a part of. Caught

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between his own sense of guilt and his loyalty to Chayden,

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you became tangled in a scheme that was never truly his.

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Speaker 13: I want to say I'm grateful for this chance to

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speak my peace. I offer my sincerest apologies to the

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Graper family, but I know my words will never be enough.

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I've had time to think on what to say, and

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I'm sorry. I'm truly sorry. What I've taken can never

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be replaced. Every day I wish I could go back

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and stop myself, prevent this loss and this pain that

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I've copsed everyone, everyone in the community and outside of it,

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those closest to me, and those closest to the Graper

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family as well as the Graper family. I didn't know

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how taking the script this life would affect you. I

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can't comprehend losing a loved one in such an awful way.

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I'm sorry I didn't stop this from happening in the

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first place.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy went on to finish with a sincere and poignant apology.

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He was given life with the possibility of parole after

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twenty five years. Jeremy's need for connection made him vulnerable

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to Chaden's control. Chayden had the charisma to lead, but

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didn't seem to have a conscience behind it. Jeremy was

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isolated after years without his mom, a dad who worked

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long hours, and the loneliness of the pandemic, so he

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followed Chayden, likely because he craved the excitement and didn't

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want to lose the friendship. The problem with following the

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wrong person is that it can lead you to places

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that you never wanted to go. The search for connection, approval,

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or even just something to believe in, can cloud our judgment.

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We are, after all, emotional animals, reactive and not all

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that disciplined. Sometimes it takes us a while to learn

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a very important life. Sometimes it takes us a little maturity,

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And that lesson is that with the wrong leader, the

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price of following might just be more than you're prepared

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to pay. All right, we did our part. Now it's

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time for you to do yours. Go tell a friend

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