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<v Speaker 1>We all strive for something money, power, traveling the world,

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<v Speaker 1>or relationships. We all have something that we're striving for.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we achieve that thing that we've been chasing

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<v Speaker 1>for so long, especially when we do it on our

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<v Speaker 1>own accord, it can feel so satisfying. The Only problem

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<v Speaker 1>is it's often the journey that satisfies us rather than

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<v Speaker 1>the destination itself. So what if you get it all?

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<v Speaker 1>But what if for some reason, when you do get

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<v Speaker 1>it all, you're not happy. Could a person like that

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<v Speaker 1>who gets everything they ever wanted and still not be happy,

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<v Speaker 1>ever be satisfied? Well, today we talk about a Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>case where someone had it all, but they still weren't satisfied,

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<v Speaker 1>and they threw it all a way in murderous fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicket and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intend more mature audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 3>I need this so satisfied, I really need this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already opened mine. I opened mind in the pre show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, that was good. People in the pre show

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<v Speaker 1>know that I need this. You're talking about it a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole made me wait to open my eye. I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>She got to open hers in the pre show, which

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<v Speaker 1>is malarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just beat you to the punch. You did

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<v Speaker 2>got to be quicker sometimes sometimes it's all very often

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<v Speaker 2>with me, very rarely and quicker one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. So usually I'm on the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you earned it. Today, I want to just dive

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<v Speaker 1>right into thanking our patreons. We got some heavy topics

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about before the show, so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>start with patrons. If that's good with you, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we have a few patrons thank today for signing up.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Jacob Kathy, Amanda Gross, and Skyler Burr. They

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<v Speaker 1>all signed up over on Patreon this week. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 1>got to hear the pre show. They know what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Some behind the scenes yes, and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Also got a little bit of a heads up on

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<v Speaker 1>what we're about to talk about here too, because we

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<v Speaker 1>put a little post in there. Some very heavy news

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<v Speaker 1>a very close local case to us. Twelve years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Scott. She went missing from a lake just outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Vanderhof called Hog's Back.

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<v Speaker 2>Lake, and Vanderhoof is about like forty five minutes an

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<v Speaker 2>hour away from Prince George. Yeah, very close.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so lots of times, you know, people go from

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<v Speaker 1>vander Hoof to Prince George, Prince George Vanderhof. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>cities beside each other. Right. So Madison's remains have been found.

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<v Speaker 1>She was identified today. She's no longer missing. Police are

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing an investigation. It is ongoing. They do not have

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<v Speaker 1>anyone in custody currently, but Madison has been found. It's

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<v Speaker 1>good news, but it's I mean, it's terrible news.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, it's just I imagine it's just ripped the family's

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<v Speaker 2>heart just right back open.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So our thoughts are with the Scott family. We're

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<v Speaker 1>glad that Madison can now be laid.

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<v Speaker 2>To rest, and hopefully the family can now kind of

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<v Speaker 2>cane you on their journey of healing, right, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Get that closure they need, and hopefully whoever is responsible

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<v Speaker 1>can be found.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that man. Okay, the fact that the remains have

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<v Speaker 2>been found, I was like, oh my gosh, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure that they have like someone in custody like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, her remains were found on somebody's like property, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't appear that they do. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>really hoping that someone is you know, pays for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm assuming here, don't get me wrong, I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 1>they they would have found this, like you said, on

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<v Speaker 1>someone's property. That's where it is. So they have a story,

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<v Speaker 1>they are following leads, they are chasing. They must have

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<v Speaker 1>names or individuals involved. Doesn't say the articles only said

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have someone in custody. Doesn't mean they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have suspects or people they're chasing.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to have suspects, Yeah, for sure, because.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, and I don't I'm not saying this is

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<v Speaker 1>the case, but what if the property had been sold

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime and its new owners they might now

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<v Speaker 1>know who the previous owners were. They just need to

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<v Speaker 1>track them down. That could be the only case. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in a week time they're caught up with them

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<v Speaker 1>or who knows, you know. But it's it's good news,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's very devastating news both At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had people request Madison Scott for a podcast before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit too close to home for us. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be covering her story. However, we will

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<v Speaker 1>link some stuff down below so you can check out

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<v Speaker 1>her story if you're interested.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it is a very interesting story, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is one that it kind of like it shook her

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<v Speaker 2>household a little bit. I think it's probably shook this

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<v Speaker 2>whole northern community because I mean we all had hope that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the outcome would be better. But then it

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<v Speaker 2>was also kind of like, oh, like she probably never

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<v Speaker 2>will get found kind of thing, right, and she's been found,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's almost just like mind blowing yeap. And literally

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday was the twelve Every year they kind of do

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<v Speaker 2>what would you want to call it memorial type thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of getting awareness and everything of the story,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they just had done this twelve year anniversary market.

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<v Speaker 4>Just yesterday, so it's like wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, we'll leave those links down below. We

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<v Speaker 1>do recommend you check out her story, but we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about some other things. We do have

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<v Speaker 1>some more news that we're going to talk about here

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in just a few days. July first, June first,

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<v Speaker 1>June first, sorry, not July first, that's a whole month away.

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<v Speaker 1>June first, there we go. June first. We have another

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<v Speaker 1>podcast we are launching. It's called Fearful. So check out

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<v Speaker 1>some links below for our socials give it a search.

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<v Speaker 1>When June first rules around, we'll make sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>link it and give everyone the necessary tools to find

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<v Speaker 1>it and listen. And if you know Jacko Bunny Chance

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<v Speaker 1>from our Halloween specials, it's his podcast. Wow, so he

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<v Speaker 1>gets his very own show. So yeah, forward to that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so exciting. Yeah, the day has come, it's near yeap,

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<v Speaker 2>very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you want to get on with us, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get this show rolling, Let's do it. Okay. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying in the pre show, I've got like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like anxiety tightness in my chest because

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<v Speaker 1>of like the whole Madison thing today and stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's kind of weighing on me. So I need to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a somber day.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very very much to a somber day. There is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of happy in a sense that she has

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<v Speaker 1>been found, Like that's that silver lining she could be

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<v Speaker 1>laid to rest, you know, there's but it's tragedy at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, so totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean this this story, like just to

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<v Speaker 2>say one more thing, the story has been so close

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<v Speaker 2>to home, like even all over Prince George, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>still to in this day twelve years later, there's posters

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<v Speaker 2>and there's signage and and like it has been a

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<v Speaker 2>case that they have kind of really kept, especially locally,

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<v Speaker 2>in the forefront of people's minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you drive down the mailbox on a mailbox

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<v Speaker 1>has a fine Maddie flyer on it right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been there for I mean it gets like a

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<v Speaker 1>new one gets posted every year. Once it's like sun

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<v Speaker 1>bleached and weathered, another one gets posted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that won't be being posted anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, but like I said, she has been found.

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<v Speaker 1>That is good.

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<v Speaker 2>It is good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, let's move on from that. Let's talk about today's story.

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<v Speaker 1>So today's story is a Canadian story, and this story

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<v Speaker 1>begins with a man by the name of Peter Dempter. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was born in August nineteenth, nineteen thirty three. He

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<v Speaker 1>was born in Budapest, Hungary. Okay, so his family was

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<v Speaker 1>rather wealthy and well off. So Peter's future right out

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<v Speaker 1>of the gate was pretty bright. As soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>was born. He's pretty assured to have a good future.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of had that privileged family atmosphere he was

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<v Speaker 1>born into. However, World War II would soon follow and

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<v Speaker 1>it would take place, of course, from September one, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine, officially to September Tewod nineteen forty five, and

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<v Speaker 1>it raged on in these troubled times with the of

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<v Speaker 1>course Communist government and everything. It was not looking good

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<v Speaker 1>for much of the world, let alone the area where

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was specifically living. So Peter's family would eventually lose

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<v Speaker 1>their wealth and their status because of this, they became

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<v Speaker 1>impoverished and following the war. In nineteen fifty six, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three year old Peter would make his way over to

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<v Speaker 1>Canada with approximately two hundred thousand other refugees who were

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<v Speaker 1>fleeing their country during a revolution of the Soviet Union. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like most others who came over, Peter didn't have much

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<v Speaker 1>money or any possessions. It was just himself and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>he managed to carry along with him in his hage,

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<v Speaker 1>which included a grand total of eight dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all he had with him when he arrived to Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>Which definitely would have been a little bit more back then.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, oh yes, that's kind of makes you feel

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<v Speaker 2>a bit uneasy, ain't Oh it does, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to put it in perspective, I'm not looking up

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<v Speaker 1>the actual conversion rates from then to now or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but just say it's ten times. Okay, So if he

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<v Speaker 1>had eight dollars, it's eighty dollars today. That's not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, that's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Holy So, this though, wasn't going to stop Peter.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a drive in him. Unlike most people, he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to do something, make a name for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He was determined to restore that wealth and status to

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<v Speaker 1>his family's name, the same name, the same status that

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<v Speaker 1>had been been at years before. So he would soon

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<v Speaker 1>start finding work, doing any job that was available. He

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<v Speaker 1>saved every single penny that he was able to. He

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<v Speaker 1>kept pushing forward, kept going towards his goal. Soon he

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<v Speaker 1>got his real estate license and he began selling homes

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<v Speaker 1>to other Hungarian immigrants that were coming into Canada. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was the launching point for Peter's future career.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems smart, actually.

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<v Speaker 1>It is making sure that he's actually servicing a niche

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<v Speaker 1>community that's in need, right, absolutely, And that's what entrepreneurship is, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's finding something that's in demand and it's supplying that demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that I feel like that's really thinking outside

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<v Speaker 2>the box.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, well done, right, And it's also like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>other immigrants from the same country, it's like they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to him because he experienced the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He is just like them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, so it's like, oh, there's already that trust there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you're from the same country, you experienced the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>you came over, you're an immigrant, You're just like us.

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<v Speaker 1>You had how much in your pocket when you arrived?

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<v Speaker 1>You managed to build yourself up. You have this business,

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<v Speaker 1>you're helping others find houses. Helped me too. You're the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He's literally like showing that the dream can happen

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I understand it's a cliche and it's we're

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<v Speaker 1>That American dream does still kind of apply universally because

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<v Speaker 1>being self sustaining. That's the American dream. It can apply

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<v Speaker 1>to many different cultures and lifestyles, but it's still that

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<v Speaker 1>self sustaining family and having you know, a good life. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he's supplying here, the American dream in Canada

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<v Speaker 1>as a refugee.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, if that makes sense, it makes sense. It

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen sixty two, Peter registered the business name

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<v Speaker 1>Eden Gardens Limited and began construction on an apartment building

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<v Speaker 1>in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for him, right, that's impressive exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So now he's building up these apartments, he's developing, he's developing,

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<v Speaker 1>and guess what he's probably going to be selling these

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<v Speaker 2>No shit, right, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only is he getting the actual real estate

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<v Speaker 1>portion of it, but he's also the developer portion. He's

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<v Speaker 2>Dipping in the aspect, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>So because of this, Peter would soon become very successful.

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<v Speaker 1>He become a self made multi millionaire successful in fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He brought his family's name back to that lavish

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<v Speaker 1>status that it once used to be. He had pride

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<v Speaker 1>in his name, he had status, and he had a

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<v Speaker 1>love for money. In nineteen sixty five, Peter, now having

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of money, plenty of disposable income at his fingertips,

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<v Speaker 1>would travel back to his homeland in Vienna. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be here that he met a twenty year old beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>woman by the name of Marina Hunt. Now, Marina was

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<v Speaker 1>a model, and Peter was obsessed with her, and he

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<v Speaker 1>professed his love for her the second time that they met.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, hey, he knew, he knew well head over

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<v Speaker 2>heels for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literally, yeah, exactly, He's just like, holy shit, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm picturing like the mask, jaw drop, tongue, rolls out

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<v Speaker 1>in the table, eyes, bug out of the head sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, the whole cartoony thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, he, like you say, fell head over heels. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Marina didn't share the same feelings and rejected.

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<v Speaker 2>Him really well. And also, I'm thinking there's like an

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<v Speaker 2>an age gap there, right there is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know if it's very much. He's

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<v Speaker 1>probably around like twenty five or something like that by

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<v Speaker 1>this time, maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe thirty, Okay, but still, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really keep track of his age throughout this

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<v Speaker 1>whole story. So yeah, she didn't share the same feelings though,

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<v Speaker 1>and reportedly this sent Peter into a nervous breakdown that

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<v Speaker 1>sent him to the hospital for three days. Really apparently

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find records of this, but I did find

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<v Speaker 1>a few accounts of people talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About this, like, yeah, that's interesting. That's really taken it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard, right, like take it on the chin, man, Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't handle rejection.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently not. So he was in the hospital for three

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<v Speaker 1>days and then returned to Canada, I guess, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>with his tail between his legs by the sound of it. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he was persistent and he started writing Marina letters, continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to profess his love and promised her a life of

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<v Speaker 1>money and wealth, lavish lifestyle, being looked after, cared for.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent her gifts, you name it. The letters were

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to be sent back and forth. Marina kind of

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<v Speaker 1>was stringing him along that it would be the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Liked the damn gifts, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, she kind of liked the idea of the money,

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<v Speaker 1>the gifts. She wasn't really into him by the sounds

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<v Speaker 1>of it. However, there was a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>caveat because next year Peter would come back to be

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<v Speaker 1>to Vienna and that's when he found out that Marina

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<v Speaker 1>actually had a boyfriend this whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yes, but still just like accepting these gifts

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<v Speaker 2>and writing and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, So, in my assumption, she probably liked this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but liked Peter's money, and I was like, if it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work out with this guy, then I can just

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<v Speaker 1>go to Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that's dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of the game I think she was

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<v Speaker 1>playing here. Peter, of course, when he found out, he

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<v Speaker 1>was furious.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he end up back in the hospital for a

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<v Speaker 2>few days He didn't? Oh shit, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he would actually assault her at her pole.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, her. I thought maybe it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>No. Now, I couldn't find if the attack was reported

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<v Speaker 1>or not, so I'm not saying that she went to

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital but she was attacked. But either way, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>would walk away without any repercussions, and I couldn't find

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<v Speaker 1>the extent of or the how bad the attack quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote really was. Okay, So either way, though, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be two weeks later, while Peter was still in Vienna

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<v Speaker 1>that he would meet another woman.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of leaving Marina behind and with her he

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<v Speaker 1>sees this other woman, another model by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Christina Ferrari, who is twenty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so he has a type.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a type.

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<v Speaker 4>Models, models, models.

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<v Speaker 1>Now The two instantly hit it off, Peter over Christine's

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<v Speaker 1>beauty and Christine over Peter's money. The day after they met,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter whisked her away on their first date, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would soon move to Toronto with Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this was much easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Much easier to swoon her and gain her, to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come to me, I've got I've got money, I've got things.

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<v Speaker 1>You like money, things that's got money and things.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you? Have you seen a photo of Peter?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he a looker or no? Not at all?

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't bad looking by any means. No, No, okay, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say he's like super hot, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's like he's not bad looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, because for some reason, I'm picturing someone that's

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<v Speaker 2>like really not attractive at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's I don't know, he's just kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like an average average joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, six and a half, maybe a seven out of

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<v Speaker 1>ten something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's bad. That's above average.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's above average, but he's not like he's not

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<v Speaker 1>like a nine or ten. He's not like smoking hot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh, I have to put a photo up here

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<v Speaker 2>and see what other people think. I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at what what he looks like and to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair, be fair, my.

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<v Speaker 1>Judging skills might be off because i mean this is

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<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, right, so it's like, eh, people looked

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<v Speaker 1>a little different back then too, So.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very true.

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<v Speaker 1>Standards are different and you know, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless though, the two were happy, and they would soon

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<v Speaker 1>become married on November fourteenth in nineteen sixty seven. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would also welcome their baby daughter named Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>into the world in nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yeah, they have a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a baby. Their life seemed perfect. They I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a good looking couple. She was a model, He

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<v Speaker 1>was a six and a half or seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who was a like multi millionaire?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lots of money. Yeah. They had you know, new

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<v Speaker 1>new child, next family.

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<v Speaker 2>What could go wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What could go wrong? On the surface of all look perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but behind closed doors things aren't always as they seemed,

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<v Speaker 1>so the once happy couple were quickly growing apart. Now. Allegedly,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was very controlling of Christine and wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>where she was or who she was with at all times,

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<v Speaker 1>which is generally not the best personality trait to have.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 1>He would also begin to suspect that their daughter, Andrea,

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<v Speaker 1>was not actually his child.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really.

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<v Speaker 1>He suspected this though, because he couldn't see any resemblance

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<v Speaker 1>between him and the kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well that is absolutely not like always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>No, definitely not. You shouldn't be judging if it's your

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<v Speaker 1>kid because it's like, oh, it doesn't quite look like me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not really.

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<v Speaker 1>A jumping point for genetics, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, So I'm like a photographer, so I

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<v Speaker 2>take a lot of photos of like kids and parents,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes it is unbelievable how striking the resemblances. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a mini one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You showed me one today actually, like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like holy shit, like you have nothing to worry about,

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<v Speaker 2>like that is your child. But then there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>times when it's like, oh, like, oh it's a mix

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<v Speaker 2>of you guys, or I really don't know which one

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<v Speaker 2>it looks more like, you know, and did you adopt?

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<v Speaker 2>So that is not a way to judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, It's definitely not. But that's kind of what he

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. So he accused Christine, of course, of adultery,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also accused many of the men he knew

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<v Speaker 1>of being the father. Now, there are allegations that Christine

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<v Speaker 1>was in fact not being faithful, so it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>tell exactly where the relationship downward spiral really did begin.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but we don't know for sure if she was unfaithful.

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<v Speaker 4>No, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, though, I mean, Peter's actions had Christine in

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<v Speaker 1>less than an amused situation. Let's put that way. So

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<v Speaker 1>Christine was in over her head with Peter in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>even before they did get married, even before they did

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<v Speaker 1>have this kid. She would eventually show up at a

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<v Speaker 1>friend's house with a split lip.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>How the injury came about was never actually reported as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I could find, But she did say to

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<v Speaker 1>her friend in that visit that she didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be with Peter anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay, I don't like that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not cool. I mean, I'm pretty sure we can

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<v Speaker 1>all assume really where that's going. Yeah, So, in a

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<v Speaker 1>desperate attempt to help her friend, she actually had booked

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<v Speaker 1>a plane ticket right then and there for her to

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<v Speaker 1>head to back to Vienna and leave the life with

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<v Speaker 1>Peter behind. Okay, Christine held that ticket in her hand.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to leave, she can go back home live

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<v Speaker 1>the life she used to love, but for one reason

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<v Speaker 1>or another, she couldn't do it. She chose not to

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00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.519
<v Speaker 1>get on that plane, but instead to stay with Peter

427
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and the whole toxicity of their soon marriage.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, gosh, the strength that that would take,

429
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.319
<v Speaker 2>especially like when kids are involved, right, Like.

430
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<v Speaker 4>That's hard.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Well, this was prior to having the kid.

432
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<v Speaker 2>This was probably this was prior to them having the kid.

433
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it was even before the marriage. This was even

434
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<v Speaker 1>before they had a kid.

435
00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.359
<v Speaker 2>But still like but still no, yeah, it'll still be hard. Yeah.

436
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not that it's not difficult even in any relationship situation. Yeah,

437
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, having the kid would make it much more complicated.

438
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, like the lip thing is an issue, but

439
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>then also like how controlling he is too? Like that,

440
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if that's not dealt with, it's not going

441
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:49.160
<v Speaker 2>to get better.

442
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Generally, it only gets worse.

443
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

444
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, so, whether it was prior to the

445
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.599
<v Speaker 1>marriage or now, like, the turmoil left a huge stain

446
00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.519
<v Speaker 1>on the relationship, and because of this, Peter found himself

447
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:06.119
<v Speaker 1>once again reaching out to his previous love Marina.

448
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, yes, okay, I didn't see that freaking comming.

449
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 1>He began writing letters once again.

450
00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

451
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.799
<v Speaker 1>He sent her flowers, he sent her gifts, he sent

452
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 1>her money. And then in June of nineteen seventy three,

453
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:23.119
<v Speaker 1>he found out that Marina was getting married.

454
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, yeah, like what is he freaking things happening here?

455
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>He's not interested?

456
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Well, when he heard about that, he bought a

457
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 1>plane ticket and sent it to her. The plane ticket

458
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>was for Quebec. He sent her a plane ticket to Quebec,

459
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>said come meet me. We're going to have a weekend together.

460
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:44.640
<v Speaker 1>So she did.

461
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

462
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this shit's messy, isn't it? Like real messy?

463
00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's married. He's married, she's getting married, and they're

464
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:55.839
<v Speaker 1>now meeting up for a weekend in Quebec.

465
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, I wonder if they're gonna have some boutine?

466
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<v Speaker 1>And so what is the other thing I did not

467
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I did not think you were gonna say poutine?

468
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh else? Okay, the other thing I was gonna say

469
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>is beavertail. It doesn't get any better than Okay, we

470
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:19.480
<v Speaker 2>gotta move on.

471
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.519
<v Speaker 4>Holy fuck, you're killing me.

472
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

473
00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:28.079
<v Speaker 2>And the problem is none of that was even planned.

474
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>That's just me being an eight.

475
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I don't think I've ever laughed this

476
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking hard on this podcast.

477
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Before you're good, you need to take a minute.

478
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I've got it. I've got this. Okay. So they met

479
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.279
<v Speaker 1>up in Quebec for some potential poutine and beaver tail.

480
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Those are legit food items.

481
00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:01.400
<v Speaker 1>They are they are legit Canadian food items. And during

482
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.799
<v Speaker 1>this time the two the two would connect over what

483
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 1>I presumed to be a very romantic weekend of poutine

484
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and beavertail.

485
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>God, you got to move on from that.

486
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>And they decided that they actually wanted to spend their

487
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 1>life together. Oh there was, of course, just one problem.

488
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Now Marina could easily cancel her wedding. She wasn't married yet,

489
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>but Peter was already married.

490
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Did he have a child, Yes, and he had a

491
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.319
<v Speaker 2>child to at this point.

492
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Was he's married, he has his kidd God, the only

493
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>time I backed up was the one splitlip thing. We're

494
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.799
<v Speaker 1>back completely back on track here. So he would need

495
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>a divorce, and a divorce would mean that he would

496
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 1>potentially lose half of everything his money, his company, his possessions,

497
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 1>his assets, everything. Yep, So he had a bit of

498
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.599
<v Speaker 1>a pro that he needed to solve. So first off,

499
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 1>Marina would head back home to Vienna with a ticket

500
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>already booked to come back to Canada a month later

501
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>on July twenty sixth.

502
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.400
<v Speaker 2>So they had a plan. I'm assuming here.

503
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Kind of seems like there's a plan.

504
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. It's so interesting that she just decided that

505
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 2>she liked him now too, what the heck is that about?

506
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean money talks, right, Maybe he had enough money.

507
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess, but I mean he was was the right word,

508
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>lavishing her in gifts and stuff prior to and she

509
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't budge. So yeah, it's just interesting.

510
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows. So while Marina went back to Vienna,

511
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Peter and Christine would spend the upcoming July a weekend

512
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>in the July, more specifically hosting some friends and some

513
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>family at their home in Mississauga, which is just outside

514
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of Toronto. So on July eighteenth, nineteen seventy three, Peter

515
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 1>took their guests into Toronto by car, and he included

516
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.759
<v Speaker 1>making sure that their dog was involved. So he took

517
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>all their guests and the dog into the car to

518
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>go shopping. Now, Christine stayed at home with their daughter

519
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Andrea as they drove off, so they left her alone

520
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 1>at the house to have a relaxing day by the

521
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>pool side. Now they would return home for dinner and

522
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>then leave again to finish their shopping. So during the trip,

523
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Peter picked out a nice locket necklace for Christine to

524
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 1>give her to give her for her birthday, which was

525
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>about a week later. And finally they would return home

526
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 1>at nine to forty five pm and it would be

527
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 1>a long date they'd return home from. So after the

528
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>long day, Peter pulled up into the driveway, opened the

529
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>garage door to park their car inside, and it was

530
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.279
<v Speaker 1>there that he found Christine laying on the cold, meant

531
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>floor of the garage in a pool of her own blood.

532
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Shit. Okay, but for some reason, I feel like this

533
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.759
<v Speaker 2>is planned. I think because he brought the dog, but

534
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>then he didn't bring the daughter. So I'm kind of

535
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 2>wondering what the hell's going on there.

536
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, the daughter, by this point, I believe, is three. Okay,

537
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>just as for context, m but yeah.

538
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Like needs someone watching her.

539
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he, like you say, did make sure to

540
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>bring the dog.

541
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well was the daughter? Okay? Okay, I'm just going

542
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>to keep listening. I'm listening. Well.

543
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>To start off with Christine, the back of her head

544
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.559
<v Speaker 1>had a very large open wound that was seeping blood

545
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>onto the floor. Luckily enough, their daughter, Andrea was completely

546
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 1>unharmed inside the house.

547
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank goodness.

548
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Peter immediately dialed nine one one and told police there

549
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 1>was an accident at his house and his wife seemed

550
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 1>to have committed suicide.

551
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Committed suicide, yes, okay, I don't feel like that would

552
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 2>be a way to commit suicide. No wound on the

553
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 2>back of your head.

554
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 4>I agree, Okay.

555
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we're on the same page there. I just

556
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 1>like what you just seemed very like argumentative over that,

557
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I was.

558
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Gonna let you in.

559
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, I agree, I agree.

560
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 2>And she was not alive. To clarify, no, okay, Dan.

561
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>So when the authorities arrived at the scene, they rushed

562
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>into the garage to examine Christine, and of course she

563
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>was not alive. However, something didn't seem right. This wasn't

564
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 1>a suicide, and it wasn't an accident. It was obvious

565
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that Christine had been struck on the back of the

566
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>head with something. This was a murder scene. Peter wouldn't

567
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>have it. Though he strongly disagreed with that decision, he

568
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 1>insisted that if it was not suicide, then it was

569
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>definitely an accident. Peter in fact stood over top of

570
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Christine's lifeless body and demonstrated how he believed she must

571
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>have been climbing on something and reaching up for something else.

572
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Then he kind of mimicked her slipping and falling into

573
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the position his now deceased wife laid on the floor.

574
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

575
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>This And should he not be like, maybe a little

576
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>bit devastated that his wife is laying dead on the.

577
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Ground there in the garage, you would think, However, instead

578
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>he's standing over top of her and mimicking how he

579
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 1>believes she would have got into this situation.

580
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a really disturbing visual.

581
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree for sure.

582
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow Okay.

583
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>And of course though he wasn't convincing anyone, In fact,

584
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they were like they were able to figure out Christine

585
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>would have been struck on the back of the head

586
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a total of seven times. Wow, with a blunt object.

587
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Holy hack.

588
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>So seven times with the blunt object is not an accident?

589
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 2>No, But I'm also just like I'm putting I'm literally

590
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>in the garage right now. Like watching him reenact this,

591
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I would just be mortified, I think, yeah, mortified.

592
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

593
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 2>It would almost be like it was like you got

594
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 2>you can't watch, but you have to watch kind.

595
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Of yes, And the entire time I'd be thinking, what

596
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a fucking douche Canoe.

597
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like should we get on a T shirt.

598
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>That says douche Canoe? Yeah, and a Dunce cap that

599
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>says douche Canoe, not Dunce, just says douche Canoe should

600
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>make a new fashion statement.

601
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

602
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 1>They also actually had found defensive wounds on her hands,

603
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>showing that she indeed was attacked and she did try

604
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and fight back.

605
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's sad.

606
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So of course it's it's a normal thing to

607
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>suspect a house or a spouse at first in any

608
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of case, right, you know, they're usually the first suspect,

609
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 1>But mixed with Peter's odd behavior, it put a lot

610
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>of red flash in his direction. His actions, though, weren't

611
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that drew attention from the police. So

612
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>while they were at the scene investigating, Peter actually willingly

613
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 1>dive aled some information like, for example, their marital struggles,

614
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>their problems together. He started telling them about that, and

615
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 1>then on top of it all, he told them about

616
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a one million dollar life insurance policy that he had

617
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>on his wife.

618
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yes, which guy just don't hen Okay, he doesn't.

619
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Get it, does he no, which he would soon try

620
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 1>and take out said life insurance policy, which is just

621
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a little side fun fact for you there. So needless

622
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 1>to say, though, this was all very significant information for

623
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the police, and they brought Peter into the station for questioning.

624
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>He would, however, be released as they didn't have anything

625
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>to really charge them with yet. So through their investigation

626
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>they found much more interesting evidence. For example, they had

627
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>discovered a couple weeks prior to Christine's death, she had

628
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>visited several lawyers. Really she did so Apparently she knew

629
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 1>about the love letters from Peter and Marina back and forth.

630
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Really yep, okay, I didn't see that coming.

631
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Yep. She found them, she read them. She knew Peter's intentions,

632
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 1>what he was planning on doing, so she wanted to

633
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 1>find if her custody rights over her children were strong

634
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>enough to have that custody for her in the situation

635
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>if she leaves a relationship, so she's visiting lawyers to

636
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 1>find out her rights prior to acting.

637
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Huh, okay, so she's being like a little bit smart

638
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>then she is unlike Oh no, I'm not even gonna

639
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>say unlike Peter Peter.

640
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I'll say all at that, Well, why do you think

641
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Peter's not being smart?

642
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's not. I just feel like he's not really

643
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 2>thinking clearly here, Like he's just he just thinks. Like

644
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to say this appropriately. I can't

645
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 2>say it, say it. I was just gonna say he's

646
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>just thinking with his dick.

647
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>He's a chauvinist.

648
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go.

649
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I could have said it that way.

650
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 1>He definitely seems that way for sure.

651
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

652
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>So it would be in August seventeenth, nineteen seventy three,

653
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that police believed they had enough motive and evidence and

654
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 1>arrested Peter for murdering his wife.

655
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow brutal.

656
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 1>So it would only be five days later later, however,

657
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that he would be released on bail as he maintained

658
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 1>his innocence. Now, this obviously doesn't mean he's off the

659
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>hook though, he's still being charged, and it would be

660
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 1>about a year later that he would appear in court

661
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.199
<v Speaker 1>with his team of highly paid lawyers.

662
00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Gross.

663
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he was confident and still maintained his innocence

664
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:07.079
<v Speaker 1>in the process. He even had I mean his alibis.

665
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 1>He was out shopping with the family and friends, right,

666
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 1>she was at home alone, but he planned that. Are

667
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you sure? How could it have been him? Right?

668
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, money can buy you a lot of.

669
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Things, it can. But Devil's advocate here, he does have alibis.

670
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>He was out of the house. He did not kill

671
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 1>his wife.

672
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>No, he physically did not kill his wife.

673
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.199
<v Speaker 1>No. So what do you think happened?

674
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. He had come up with some

675
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of a plan. He had a month to get

676
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>rid of her, and I don't think he obviously wasn't

677
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 2>going to do the dirty work himself, so he hired somebody.

678
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, hit man, yeah, murder for hire.

679
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he paid someone in money that they would murder

680
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>his wife for him.

681
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 4>Okay, gotcha, that's my thought.

682
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, just wondering where your head was at.

683
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

684
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 1>So, as Peter came in with his highly paid team

685
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>of lawyers, the prosecution, though facing this dream team of lawyers,

686
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>also came very well prepared. So a man by the

687
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 1>name of Saba Siloghe was one of Peter's friends. He

688
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>was also immigrant, an immigrant into Canada. Okay, Peter's known

689
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>him for a long time. He was I guess if

690
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 1>you could say, the ace up their sleeve. He was

691
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 1>a surprise witness to the stand. He testified to having

692
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>conversations with Peter about plans to kill his wife on

693
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:54.679
<v Speaker 1>multiple occasions. For example, some plans were tampering with her

694
00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 1>car or electrocuting her in the pool. Holy shit, Now

695
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>this was only the tip of the iceberg. Though, just

696
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 1>saying oh, yeah, I had these conversations is one thing.

697
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Where's the evidence right? Well, you see, after Christine's death,

698
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Saba was actually working with the police and agreed to

699
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:17.760
<v Speaker 1>wear a wire on visits to see Peter. The prosecution

700
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>had the evidence they needed. In one of the conversations,

701
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 1>police were able to record Peter saying how he is

702
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.599
<v Speaker 1>confident they will stay ahead of the police, but he

703
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>is upset with the hitman for killing Christine in a

704
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>way that he couldn't play it off as an accident.

705
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

706
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Really, yes, recorded on tape played in the courtroom.

707
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that is so disturbing to me. Yep, I feel

708
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.599
<v Speaker 2>like Okay, It's the main thing that's so disturbing is

709
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like money is money, like whatever, Like are you

710
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.199
<v Speaker 2>literally gonna like not like this. This is like the

711
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>mother of your kid, Like you can't just like divorce

712
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>her and like give her money and like go on

713
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 2>your merry way, Like you literally have to like murder her. Yeah,

714
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 2>that's what's really disturbing.

715
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 1>You want another disturbing piece that actually I didn't even

716
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>put in here because it's kind of like benign information,

717
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 1>but just to kind of like a to really show

718
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 1>what kind of person he is, I guess before the

719
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 1>trial actually occurred. So between Christine's death and the trial,

720
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.199
<v Speaker 1>his new love Marina had moved to Canada.

721
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>And she's just waiting.

722
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>She Yeah, so she moved to Canada after the Christine's death.

723
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.639
<v Speaker 1>She moved into the house where Christine had died and

724
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 1>was living with Peter in said house.

725
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I don't even know how she could do

726
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that because obviously this person's like a monster. Yeah, Like

727
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 2>because lots of times, like if you're say, for example,

728
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>like you're you're a cheater and you cheat on like

729
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a significant other, the chances are much higher that you're

730
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 2>all going to do that with your next significant other

731
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 2>as well. Kind of like they say, a cheater is

732
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 2>a cheater, right yep? So like fuck, if I was,

733
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like running for the goddamn hills, Like you

734
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:11.079
<v Speaker 2>just murdered his wife.

735
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who's to say he's not going to do the

736
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:12.880
<v Speaker 1>same to you.

737
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah when he finds another model that he likes better.

738
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

739
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

740
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>So there was another witness testimony that would actually tell

741
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>how Peter had hired a specific hit man, a Hungarian

742
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 1>hitman called the Duck, to do the job. The Duck,

743
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>so the Duck was a known hit man and police

744
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.239
<v Speaker 1>knew who he was. However, he had moved back to

745
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Hungary and had passed away prior to the police actually

746
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.679
<v Speaker 1>being able to catch up and question him about it. Okay,

747
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 1>so that unfortunately was a dead end. They weren't able

748
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>to talk to him about that. So the case was

749
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in court for a total of eleven weeks and was

750
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a sensation in the national news headlines. The jury deliberated

751
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>for almost forty eight hours before they came back with

752
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>their vertical How do you think they they What do

753
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>you think they came back?

754
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm literally still just thinking the duck, the duck. Could

755
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you not have thought of a better name than that?

756
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Why not? I mean, if you think of it in

757
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>like he's gonna hit you in the head, you better duck?

758
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 4>No, Okay, never mind, Still not good?

759
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, forty eight hours. Al so I feel like

760
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>he's not that long.

761
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's two full days.

762
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 3>I guess that's too.

763
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming two full days of deliberation, not including breaks

764
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>and sleeps and stuff.

765
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 2>That's my assumption on that guilty for show.

766
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, he was found guilty of murder for hire. Okay, yes,

767
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.559
<v Speaker 1>so he was sentenced to life in prison.

768
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

769
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes. However, there are some pieces to this puzzle that

770
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 1>we still do need to discuss. Even though that he

771
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to life in prison he's found guilty, there's

772
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a couple of little more pieces that we gotta we

773
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>gotta talk about here. So that same friend of Peter's

774
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 1>who testified against him in court, Saba, you know, the

775
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>guy who like the whole wire tap thing. Yeah, he

776
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 1>reported that Christine had actually originally approached him before Peter.

777
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

778
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>So Saba was not a small guy. He was a

779
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>frequent gym goer, and kind of somewhat of like a

780
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>bodybuilder type guy. Christine approached him offered to pay him

781
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars to go and break Peter's arms and legs.

782
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, but he's Peter's friend though, so that's kind of weird.

783
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

784
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's okay, I thought that there was I was

785
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>going to think. I was thinking that Sabba sorry, yep,

786
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.119
<v Speaker 2>was the father of the baby.

787
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh immediately, that's what where.

788
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was maybe going.

789
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 1>But no, okay, no, So yeah, she had actually approached

790
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>before Peter had talked about killing his wife.

791
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Okay, so she was thinking making some moves here.

792
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So there's also rumors of her trying to find

793
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>hitmen as well on Peter.

794
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a healthy marriage, so definition right.

795
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 1>So put it this way. If she approaches Saba and

796
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I'll pay you to go break my husband's

797
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>arms and legs, but then he turns around and tells Peter, yeah,

798
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to pay me to break your arms and legs.

799
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that it's that was the fuel that started this

800
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 1>whole fire. Maybe Peter found out about it, her trying

801
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 1>to use his own money to have him injured. Like this,

802
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's what made him finally go through with like

803
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 1>having her killed.

804
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe before he had found that out, But

805
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 2>this got this Sabba guy's almost like playing both sides

806
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 2>in a sense. It seems I don't all of a

807
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>sudden I don't really like him.

808
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 1>But is he though or is he just speaking? He

809
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>went in court and told and tell and testified he

810
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>wore a wire for authorities. I guess how is he

811
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>playing both sides?

812
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was listening to the wife and then went

813
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 2>and told Peter what her intentions were. But then now

814
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.639
<v Speaker 2>he's also listening to Peter's ill intentions.

815
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, put it this way. What if she never went

816
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 1>to Saba for a hitman to hire, but if she

817
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 1>just went to Saba being like break his arms and legs.

818
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 1>And He's like, oh shit, I gotta tell Peter that

819
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to do this. So he goes to Peter's like, yeah,

820
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to get your arms and legs broken. She

821
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 1>offered me money, and then Peter's like, are you fucking

822
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>kidding me? I'm gonna hire a hitman. I'm gonna get

823
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>her fucking killed. I'm gonna electrocutor in the pool or

824
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 1>fuck with your car or whatever. And then Saba was like,

825
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>holy shit, now you're trying to kill her. I'm going

826
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to go to police because this is just way out

827
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of control.

828
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I take it back.

829
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>What if that's how it played out. I don't know,

830
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>that's just kind of how I see it.

831
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that could be, that makes sense, okay, Okay, I'm

832
00:44:58.920 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>cool with him again.

833
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 1>With him again? Okay. I mean, regardless of how this

834
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>did play out, one way or another, Peter is behind

835
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>bars for life. He did hire someone to kill his wife. However,

836
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't stay there. What he would be released on

837
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 1>parole in nineteen eighty three.

838
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Why?

839
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Well why doesn't really matter because shortly thereafter he tried

840
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 1>to have his cousin's son kidnapped and killed.

841
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 2>So he needed to be stayed in like stay captain jail?

842
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:37.760
<v Speaker 2>What the heck?

843
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So Peter's daughter was being cared for by his cousin, okay,

844
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and his cousin was also looking after his after Peter's

845
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>financial situation and stuff while he was in jail. So

846
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Peter didn't think his daughter had been raised properly and

847
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>that his funds had been mismanaged in his absence. So

848
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to gain revenge on basically a lack of

849
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 1>due care, and so he tried to have his cousin's

850
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 1>son kidnapped and killed.

851
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Whoa, yeah, this is really fucked.

852
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. However, Peter was caught in the process and would

853
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>receive another two life sentences for his crimes. Okay, so

854
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>a total of three life sentences now under his belt now.

855
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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty eight, Peter again tried to orchestrate a

856
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>similar plot, this time on his former.

857
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Lawyer while he's in jail.

858
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from behind bars, he tried to hire someone to

859
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.360
<v Speaker 1>kill his daughter his Oh no, not his own daughter,

860
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>lawyer's daughter.

861
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, I couldn't take that if it was his

862
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>own daughter.

863
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 1>No, he tried to hire someone to kill his lawyer's daughter.

864
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay yeah, but again Peter was caught and he received

865
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 1>another two life sentences. Wow, for a grand total of

866
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 1>five life sentences behind bar soly shit.

867
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, he's not learning.

868
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 1>No, Peter still claims his innocence and says he never

869
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.599
<v Speaker 1>hired someone. He would never hire someone to hurt his wife.

870
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yeah, yeah, you're really really showing that.

871
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 1>After being caught another two more times, like right, and

872
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 1>it's there was another judge that was kind of going

873
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 1>on record. I never took the quote. I wasn't going

874
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it either, but it's it's kind of

875
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>perfect to actually talk about it.

876
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

877
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>The judge is talking about how many psychopaths, as they

878
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 1>get older, they kind of mellow out. However, with Peter,

879
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 1>it seems to be reversed. The older he gets, the

880
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>crazier he seems to become.

881
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, so who know, like gosh, if you're aware of him,

882
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 2>like fucking watch your back. Yeah, like he's probably gonna

883
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>be sending a hit man.

884
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 1>After Yeah, we might have someone after us from this episode.

885
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Uh no, that's terrifying.

886
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>No, he's got no power, he's he's nothing, He's forever

887
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 1>behind bars. He is apparently one of like Canada's most

888
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:20.119
<v Speaker 1>notorious murderers. Like some brutal shit taken very serious.

889
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I do have to say though, that is a I've

890
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>on our podcast heard many people do Okay, what he's

891
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 2>doing is terrible, like terrible, but we've had stories where

892
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>people do like a lot worse and they don't have

893
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that kind of time sentence that they're facing that's true,

894
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.639
<v Speaker 2>which I don't love, but yeah, I just need to.

895
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I needed to get that off my chest.

896
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, sometimes justice is in just unfortunately, don't get me wrong. Yeah,

897
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 1>he should spend his life behind bars. Totally agree. However,

898
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.159
<v Speaker 1>there are some people who probably should as well, and

899
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 1>they get much lighter sentences.

900
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, case, can we just recap for one moment here? Yes,

901
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 2>so he went he's trying, So he went ahead and

902
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 2>he murdered his wife with a hit man. Yes, she

903
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>was also trying to do some shit to him, but

904
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>was too slow allegedly allegedly, Okay, allegedly allegedly. So then

905
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.719
<v Speaker 2>he's in jail. He has his cousin looking after his

906
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 2>kid and his money, but he thinks that they're doing

907
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.360
<v Speaker 2>a shitty job. So then he puts another hit man

908
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>on the cousin's kid. Yes, but that's the kid lived right, Yes, okay,

909
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 2>So then he also now is after his lawyer's kid.

910
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Is always the kids? Why not just going after the lawyer?

911
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I mean I guess i'd be that'd

912
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 2>be quite.

913
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 1>A go after the loved one.

914
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, okay, and that kid was fine.

915
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Too, yes as far as I know.

916
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, So who the fuck's.

917
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Next hopefully he is.

918
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good gosh. Yeah, the fact that he steals that

919
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of power in jail and stuff is kind of scary.

920
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, money does a lot, right, Yeah, so I don't

921
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 1>think he's ever going to be able to access his

922
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>money ever again.

923
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Though money is kind of evil actually at.

924
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Time, it corrupts a lot. It can do it can

925
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 1>do good, but it easily crupts people. I mean, money

926
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 1>is the readable evil, they say, right, so yeah, so

927
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 1>that is Yeah, that's the episode.

928
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

929
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would have been a rollercoaster and a half

930
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.719
<v Speaker 2>to research, Like, I don't think. I mean, I also

931
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 2>can understand why that took you longer than usual, because

932
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I would be like, what the fuck am I doing

933
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>with my life researching this case? Like it was all

934
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>over the place in a little bit nuts.

935
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like I said at the very beginning, like

936
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>people strive for so many things, and yeah, once they

937
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>get there, they almost seem unsatisfied. And that's exactly what

938
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>this was. He knew what his family used to have,

939
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 1>and he strived for that or strove forward or how

940
00:50:58.199 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you want to I don't know the proper fucking term.

941
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 1>My apologies, but he made his way to that, and

942
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 1>he actually far beyond and exceeded as far as I

943
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.320
<v Speaker 1>can tell, and then he just wasn't happy.

944
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good intro with this one.

945
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now there is a butt because Marina. Some say

946
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.679
<v Speaker 1>that was his original love, and he even was confessing

947
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to some people before like, yeah, I love this girl,

948
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 1>Christine was my second choice.

949
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

950
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Marina turned me down. So maybe he just

951
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>never was fully happy because he never did get what

952
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>he wanted. But I also have that feeling that because

953
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 1>he did have money, he did have a beautiful wife,

954
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 1>he did have a kid, he did have it all.

955
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Even if he did get marine, I still don't think

956
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>he would be happy.

957
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Probably not, No, there'd be something else.

958
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the grasses, it's not always greener on the other side.

959
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And as I said in the beginning, it's often the

960
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>journey rather than the destination that people enjoy. We don't

961
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 1>tend to notice it, but yeah, the excitement building up

962
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 1>for going on vacation, and then you're on vacation, you

963
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 1>just kind of sit there like, ah, it's nice that

964
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 1>excitement is gone.

965
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

966
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because then in the blink of it, it's just

967
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:11.760
<v Speaker 2>over again.

968
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you know, it's like, I'm ready to

969
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 1>go home, want to sleep in my own bed, you know,

970
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:21.039
<v Speaker 1>those sort of things start your vacation wasn't quite what

971
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you thought it was.

972
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 4>Jeez.

973
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the journey that just seems such a downer thing.

974
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.119
<v Speaker 1>No, it's all about the journey. It's looking forward to

975
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>what you can do next. It's working towards your next goal.

976
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something to look forward to and stuff.

977
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Is important, exactly. And I think Peter lost himself on

978
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>his journey.

979
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.119
<v Speaker 2>No shit, No, I mean yeah, I just feel like,

980
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so much easier to be like on

981
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the outside and like thinking it through, maybe a little

982
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>bit more without emotions and stuff. But I'm like, there

983
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.480
<v Speaker 2>could have been some better ways to get out of

984
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that for you.

985
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I would think, I would really think. But

986
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah that was Peter and Christine Demeter. If you liked

987
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 1>this episode, we appreciate that. Appreciate you guys sticking around.

988
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Feel free to check out the links below. Like I said,

989
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll be putting some Madison Scott stuff down there below

990
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991
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>our social media's Instagram, Facebook. We do have a Twitter,

992
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 1>We've never used it. Hardly ever, however, I started using

993
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it again today.

994
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, okay, so I am.

995
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Going to start posting on there and Fearful the new

996
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 1>podcast starting on June first, starring Jacko.

997
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.440
<v Speaker 2>That's in like two days or so.

998
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so be sure to listen for that exciting coming

999
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1000
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:48.519
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1001
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1002
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.000
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