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<v Speaker 1>It's nice side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the audience can turn over every hour, So

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<v Speaker 2>let me just take a moment before we get back

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<v Speaker 2>to our phone calls. I have Alex and Alice lined

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<v Speaker 2>up first to come up this hour. This statement from

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Massachusetts General Hospital today is it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's written by a combination of pr staff and lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a that's a tough, tough group. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>for example, they talk about, uh, that we face a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter billion dollar budget gap over the next two years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of money. That's that's a quarter of

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<v Speaker 2>a billion dollars over the next two years unless we

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<v Speaker 2>take immediate action that's in caps, to allow us to

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<v Speaker 2>continue with planned in future investments. That's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>words investments. What does it really mean? So they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about examples frontline support, immediate investments in support staff and

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<v Speaker 2>other resources to relieve burdens on clinicians and frontline staff,

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<v Speaker 2>including compensation. That sounds to me like we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>rehire people, I would think, but I don't know. New technologies,

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<v Speaker 2>accelerate technology investments to modernize our digital tools like digital pathology,

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<v Speaker 2>improve networks in Wi FI and AI capabilities that scale

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<v Speaker 2>to streamline administrative tasks can allow technicians to put their

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<v Speaker 2>full focus on patient care. If someone can interpret that

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I'd appreciate it. Research infrastructure, invest in research cores,

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<v Speaker 2>laboratories and staff support work environment, improve the experience of

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<v Speaker 2>our patients and our people with near and long term investments.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that word again, to modernize our space and address

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<v Speaker 2>long standing needed improvements, including but not limited to are along

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<v Speaker 2>with campus word salats, community health scale community health programs

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<v Speaker 2>to extend their impact. What does that mean? They talk

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<v Speaker 2>about our strategic organizational redesign. Think about the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time and money they spent to come up with these

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<v Speaker 2>words that frankly don't mean anything to the average person.

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<v Speaker 2>Reduced redundancies. Why do you have redundancies in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>A limited number of management and administrative positions throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>system will be eliminated, consolidated, or rescoped. I've never seen

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<v Speaker 2>that word before, rescoped. That's come up. They paid some

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<v Speaker 2>consultant a lot of money to get that word. Rescoped.

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<v Speaker 2>Focusing resources on critical patient facing and mission supporting work,

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<v Speaker 2>patient hyphen facing and mission hyphen supporting work whenever you

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<v Speaker 2>can work a couple of hyphens in, that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Improve efficiency by removing management and administrative layers. Really we

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<v Speaker 2>aim to reduce bureaucracy. That's a good thing. Enhance decision

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<v Speaker 2>making that's a good thing. Improve communication, and foster a

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<v Speaker 2>more agile environment. Word salad empower staff. Frontline staff will

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<v Speaker 2>have more direct access to leadership, promoting transparency. Oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>an important word. Transparency, accountability, and better understanding of team challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody wants to come on from mass General Brigham tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>on my show and explain what this press release actually means,

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<v Speaker 2>You're more than welcome. I'd love to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 2>What has been your experience in hospitals in Massachusetts recently?

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<v Speaker 2>The context for me is Obamacare. Obamacare supposedly was going

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<v Speaker 2>to make everything simpler, better, and easier. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's made it's simpler. I don't think it's made it better.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's made it easier. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>more expensive. I think it's more convoluted. I mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 2>today I talked with a friend who had to take

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<v Speaker 2>his son to an emergency room. It wasn't a life

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<v Speaker 2>threatening emergency, but to an emergency room. When he got there,

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<v Speaker 2>he was told he will see a doctor in seven

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was seven or seven and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long time to sit in emergency room, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you think. And by the way, it's on a day,

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<v Speaker 2>on a day which is pretty quiet. Then go to

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<v Speaker 2>Alex and milis Alex, appreciate your patience. Next next on nightside, Alex.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, danger dining. I'll tell you my odyssey. So I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was scheduled for a procedure on the eighteenth of November.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in the Platian and it happened to be

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<v Speaker 3>at the MGH, and thank god, all went well. But

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<v Speaker 3>after that, a few weeks after that, I had another

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<v Speaker 3>issue and then come to find out that I wind

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<v Speaker 3>up with a hernia, which I had a schedule and

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<v Speaker 3>the had schedule an appointment with with a specialist and

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<v Speaker 3>before the new year, he told me you're all set.

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<v Speaker 3>I go to check on my appointment and he said

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<v Speaker 3>as to me, oh, by the way, we're out of

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<v Speaker 3>network now, so we're no longer taking Blue Cross Blue Shield.

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<v Speaker 3>And I says, why did you tell me? After the

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<v Speaker 3>after the first of the year, I you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>could have gone elsewhere where a doctor that was in network,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, like because I've been paying So they

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<v Speaker 3>said to me, well, you know that's nothing to do

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<v Speaker 3>with us. Just called your insurance company. For long story short,

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<v Speaker 3>the cardiologist that I had seen at at mg H,

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<v Speaker 3>he has a colleague that's a specialist and he happened

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<v Speaker 3>to be in network. So I kind of lucked out

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<v Speaker 3>in that regard. But I just wanted to say something

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<v Speaker 3>between the insurance company and the hospitals, the patient gets,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the short end of the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me let me ask you this. You you

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<v Speaker 2>were resc who who rescheduled you after the first of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, if your insurance carrier was changing, was that

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they said, I could see this provider, but I

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<v Speaker 3>would tell you out of pocket expensive. You know, it

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<v Speaker 3>was on a network because they decided that the that

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<v Speaker 3>they were, you know, taking Blue Cross, Blue Shield and Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't understand my question. My question was if let

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<v Speaker 2>us say I owned a restaurant. Let me keep it simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us say I owned a restaurant and I knew

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to close the restaurant on December thirty first,

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<v Speaker 2>and you called on December twentieth and said, my wedding

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary is on January tenth, and I'd love to have

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful meal on January tenth. And I took the

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<v Speaker 2>reservation knowing that the restaurant was going to close. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you showed up on December tenth, the restaurant was closed.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd say, well, why'd you take it? Why did someone

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<v Speaker 2>schedule you if they knew that the insurance carrier that

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<v Speaker 2>you had was no longer going to be accepted by

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<v Speaker 2>Mass General? Is what you seemed to That seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be the story.

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<v Speaker 4>You told me exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was after the first to the year.

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<v Speaker 2>So why did that person schedule you? Why did someone

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<v Speaker 2>before the first of the year say, oh, come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do the surgery for you after January first, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that you wouldn't have insurance for that. Who was that knucklehead?

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<v Speaker 3>It was one of the staff members. And you know

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<v Speaker 3>they said, well, we apologized, but I says, an apology

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't do me any good because I have paying now

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<v Speaker 3>if I wasn't lucky, it's they say, it's who you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Is my cardiologist?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you got a breakage. I get it. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter to me. Congratulations, congratulations Alex. You were able

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<v Speaker 2>to do a workaround because you're a smart guy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations on that. But that is what I'm more interested in,

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<v Speaker 2>is not the fact that your cardiologist was a really

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<v Speaker 2>good guy, that he helped you, Okay. I'm more concerned

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<v Speaker 2>that you were put in a position by Mass General.

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<v Speaker 2>They scheduled you for a procedure inappropriately. They should have

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<v Speaker 2>known that your insurance was going to lapse as of

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<v Speaker 2>January first. That's the point of the story that's most

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<v Speaker 2>important to me, the fact that you had a good

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<v Speaker 2>cardiologist who did a work around for you. You were lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>You were lucky. I was thanks you, Alex, appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you, Alex, appreciate bye bye again. What I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking for here is conversation, not so much about your

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<v Speaker 2>specific success. I mean, I'm glad that Alex had success,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's like somehow working within the system because you

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<v Speaker 2>get lucky. Most people don't get lucky. I'm concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>the system at this point, which ten years ago, Obamacare

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be the magic pill, right, it was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna work for everybody. Now there's complications I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to blame President Obama per se, But did we know

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<v Speaker 2>that the border was going to be open? Did we

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<v Speaker 2>know that thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions

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<v Speaker 2>of people going to stream the cross and they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to use our emergency rooms, our nation's emergency rooms.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And now you see Mass General is going to lay off.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to do a two percent budget cut. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish the federal government was as efficient as the Mass

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<v Speaker 2>General Hospital, but I wish the Mass General Hospital was

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<v Speaker 2>running it a little bit anticipates a little bit. This

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy. We're coming back on night's I feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to join the conversation only line opened six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty. A lot of folks have been

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<v Speaker 2>complaining it's tough to get through. Tell you right now

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<v Speaker 2>six seven, two five four ten thirty your thoughts on this.

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<v Speaker 2>When Mass General we've had Steward, which was a disgrace. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just a flat out disgrace, and the Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 2>did some great reporting on that, by the way, But

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<v Speaker 2>this is also really question and when when I read

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<v Speaker 2>this press release, which none of you are going to

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<v Speaker 2>read or very few of you are going to read

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<v Speaker 2>maximizing our impact. They're basically trying we're going to maximize

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<v Speaker 2>our impact. How are we gonna do that. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>cut two percent of our budget and we're gonna lay

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<v Speaker 2>off probably two hundred, minimum two hundred people. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna maximize our impact. What are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ the news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's try to catch up a little bit here

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<v Speaker 2>Alice and Beverly. Alice, appreciate you working through the news.

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<v Speaker 2>You're next on Nightside, Go right ahead, Hello Alice. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put Alice on hold. Maybe she's walked away from

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<v Speaker 2>the phone, which is not a good thing for Alice,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will go next to Geene and Everett. Geene

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<v Speaker 2>and Everett, you are next on Nightside. Go ahead, Gene.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Jam, good evening. Thank you so much for talking

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<v Speaker 7>about this is so important. Listen, about a month ago,

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<v Speaker 7>I was in the emergency with my husband. We got

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<v Speaker 7>there six p m. We were there all night. We

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<v Speaker 7>got out at four o'clock am, sitting near waiting, waiting.

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<v Speaker 7>We were seeing about an hour and a half before

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<v Speaker 7>we left. Period.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was the care you or my husband?

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<v Speaker 7>He's a hot patient. Ye, hey and crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>That had to be nerve wracking, particularly for her heart patience.

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<v Speaker 7>And then and then there were other people in the

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<v Speaker 7>waiting room and some were drug addicts, and I had

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<v Speaker 7>to then at four in the morning go to my

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<v Speaker 7>car in the garage with my husband holding him up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>how do you think that felt? It was scary? No,

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<v Speaker 7>the place was crazy. People were throwing up, one was

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<v Speaker 7>throwing up, someone else was doing this, and that it

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<v Speaker 7>was nuts. But listen, I wanted. What I want is

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<v Speaker 7>I want the governor to take a hard look at

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<v Speaker 7>a wake up call. This is a wake up call.

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<v Speaker 7>We've had many hospitals going down recently. We know that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>they have to realize send the migrants home, start building

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<v Speaker 7>more housing. We can't handle any more people at all,

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<v Speaker 7>and we have to send others back. Start taking care

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<v Speaker 7>and be concerned with us US Massachusetts citizens, please and

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<v Speaker 7>stop the all the migrant and woke craziness. This is

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<v Speaker 7>the time to be serious about fixing the problems we

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<v Speaker 7>What were these people supposed to do? This is not

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<v Speaker 7>one month, thank you very much, because they were allowed

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<v Speaker 7>by the state to get a big raise. Is that

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<v Speaker 7>because everyone hates us because we have guess heat? I

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<v Speaker 7>need better governance and serious governance, no playing around anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>This is bad and this is really bad that these

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<v Speaker 7>so bad for people. And in the hospital's good and

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<v Speaker 7>everyone there is great. But you know, maybe they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 7>And I also think that the government. The government should

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<v Speaker 7>are not going to have enough nurses and doctors, why

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<v Speaker 7>don't you give a little incentive for people to go

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<v Speaker 7>to college to become nurses and doctors. Help them so

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<v Speaker 7>bide in paying out loans for everybody in the world

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<v Speaker 7>who wanted to become a you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, great plea, Thank you very much for the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the conversation. Talk later by let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to Tom in West Virginia. Tom next to nights. I

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<v Speaker 6>I think that woman.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you hear me? Okay, yes or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I can.

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<v Speaker 5>I hear you from the wind.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of my sales. She took the wind out of

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<v Speaker 5>No, because.

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<v Speaker 4>One third of the world lives an abject poverty, that

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<v Speaker 4>what is not our fault as Americans. I hope people

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<v Speaker 4>understand that. And I know there's good people that come

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<v Speaker 4>and claim asylum. But I'm sorry these people did not

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<v Speaker 4>put into the social service system. And Mass General is

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<v Speaker 4>a wonderful hospital, and I'm heartbroken to hear that people

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<v Speaker 4>will lose their jobs because they've essentially been overwhelmed by

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you this. We're looking at probably tom about.

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<v Speaker 2>They have eighty two thousand employees, which is a huge number,

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<v Speaker 2>the largest employer in the state. They're probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>lose two thousand. They're going to probably lay off at

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<v Speaker 2>least two thousand people. My concern is that that no doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>no nurses, should be laid off and let them now

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<v Speaker 2>look at some of these extra admitutmsers and people who

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<v Speaker 2>are not providing directly medical care. This is bad for

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<v Speaker 2>this is and I read this press release. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you had a chance to listen to some

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<v Speaker 2>of the paragraphs of the sentences. I read nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>it's the being counters and the political consultants who are

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<v Speaker 4>All I can tell you is that with Obamacare, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a talk radio junkie, I listened to conservative talk

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<v Speaker 4>radio and progressive talk radio, and after Obamacare was passed,

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<v Speaker 4>Progressive Radio was talking about this was probably twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 4>that the reality is we want to get Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 4>in there and we want to go to single payer healthcare. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>you're probably a well seasoned traveler. Meet people in England

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<v Speaker 4>and Ireland with good teeth that have socialized medicine, and

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<v Speaker 2>Go to Canada, and go to Canada and try to

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And you know it sounds all well and good,

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<v Speaker 4>And I will repeat myself. I grew up in Foxboro, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to high school with highly educated white liberals

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<v Speaker 4>that think that single payer health insurance is the cure

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<v Speaker 4>to America. And they love the quote Bernie Sanders of

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<v Speaker 4>Nordic socialism. Well, those Nordic countries in Northern Europe. Number one,

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<v Speaker 4>they strictly enforced their immigration laws.

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<v Speaker 2>They have immigration laws. Yeah. Well, they have no immat

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<v Speaker 2>to speak. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Bernie Sanders and his Bolsheviar friends, Bolshevik friends

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<v Speaker 4>do not mention that.

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<v Speaker 5>And uh, you know, if that works great.

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<v Speaker 4>For Finland and Sweden, wonderful. But those are different countries

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<v Speaker 4>with different populations. It's not going to work in America.

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<v Speaker 4>What we'll work in America is the thriving economy of

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<v Speaker 4>where we have manufacturing jobs and the employers can give

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<v Speaker 4>their employees benefits such as medical and dental. If we

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<v Speaker 4>go back forty years ago, that was not necessarily an

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<v Speaker 4>issue in America. But we open our borders. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>begrudge immigrants for wanting to come in here from wherever,

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<v Speaker 4>but we can't take care of the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, I think well, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow the chickens are coming home to roost here a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. So we'll have to see what happens. It's

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<v Speaker 2>funny mg H and Well now called mass you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and MGB Mass General Brigham. They're going to lay off

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<v Speaker 2>people to whatever extent they want. Meanwhile, uh, there are

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers running into courts across America to stop any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of cutbacks at the federal level. Oh, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of the stories of two of uh

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<v Speaker 2>two cities. Here. You have what's going on at at

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<v Speaker 2>at Mass General Brigham, which is maybe it's necessary, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's a place I don't want to see cuts taking place.

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<v Speaker 2>I would much prefer to see a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>there's really a couple of theme to our story tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank thanks for thanks for calling in and thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for supporting me on this one. Thank you, Tom, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your call.

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<v Speaker 5>Take care, Dan, by bye YouTube, Thanks good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the Yes News at the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty exactly, we're right on time. I got Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>I got Glenn, I got Larry, and I got some

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<v Speaker 2>room for you. Six one, seven, nine three one, ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We will talk about this until eleven, and we will

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<v Speaker 2>move on to another topic. I promise coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan on Boston's news radio allR.

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<v Speaker 2>We got full lines. Let's keep rolling here. People are interested,

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<v Speaker 2>and Bob is in Rhode Island. Bob, appreciate you calling.

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<v Speaker 2>You were next on Nightside. Go ahead, Boby, Bye, Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>I did I got a question for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>Why are you such a Trump supporter? Okay, take a

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<v Speaker 5>look at your flora one K. It's doing better and

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<v Speaker 5>it's having done and Biden was more and more responsible

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<v Speaker 5>than anybody else we're putting you and everybody else that's

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<v Speaker 5>in the stock market in a good position. Why are

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<v Speaker 5>you such a Trump supporter?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're about the first person in a while that

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<v Speaker 2>has suggested that. What makes you think I'm a Trump supporter?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's obvious just listening to you. Give me, give

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<v Speaker 5>me an example to support Trump and everything, almost everything.

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<v Speaker 5>You say, there's gonna be waste taking off of the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, do you want to waste? What waste? Let me

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<v Speaker 2>ask you would you like do you like waste in

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<v Speaker 2>the government or would you like to see waste take

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 5>There is a lot of waste in the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, fair enough. That's that's that's a position that

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<v Speaker 2>I would suspect you might take it.

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<v Speaker 5>So let me ask you this because you're a Trump supporter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, let me ask you this question. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the current What is the current federal debt?

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<v Speaker 6>Bob?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. It's pretty high, I know that much.

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<v Speaker 5>But you can't blame the Democrats for all that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I'm not blaming democrats. I'm blaming everybody. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know what it is?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you tell me what is the sixteen billion whatever?

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<v Speaker 5>The heck it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little more than that. It's thirty seven trillion.

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<v Speaker 5>Dollars, okay, and that's been building up for years and

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<v Speaker 5>years and years and years.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct and probably be.

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<v Speaker 5>The guy that's straightened it all out. He can't know.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's I got another question for you, if you don't mind.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's an easier one.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's going to pay the thirty seven trillion dollar debt

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<v Speaker 2>when the bill comes due?

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<v Speaker 5>The United States citizens?

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<v Speaker 2>Which group of United States citizens?

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody? Now, I don't know. I would bet you you're

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<v Speaker 2>like me, a baby boomer, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I am seventy four years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no problem, that's fine, that's fine. It's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be our generation, Bob, It's gonna be your kids. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>because our generation.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't have any kids. I don't have any kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Well see, then then your kids won't pay for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you did have kids, if you did have kids,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be your kids, my kids, grandchildren, great grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 5>At some point, about you and me, about you and

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<v Speaker 5>me ourselves, Well, why can't we do it? You must

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<v Speaker 5>be a very rich man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, you'd be surprised.

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<v Speaker 5>One K and Trump's gonna what do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 5>How do you think Trump's gonna be? Is that gonna

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<v Speaker 5>be good for the stock market? What he's doing, all

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<v Speaker 5>the all the programs and stuff he's trying to force

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would only say, Bob that if that,

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<v Speaker 2>if we could look at the government, it is a

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<v Speaker 2>layers of waste, layers and layers of waste. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>if we can eliminate I said, if we could eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>waste and provide more help to people who actually need

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<v Speaker 2>the help. We just let me ask you a question,

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<v Speaker 2>if I could, Would you agree with me that over

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<v Speaker 2>the last four years during the Biden presidency, our borders

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<v Speaker 2>with Mexico were wide open?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I do I agree with that. I'm not. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not I'm in favor of it. That was one and

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<v Speaker 5>fifty years ago. Everybody in I see, Oh, I can't

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<v Speaker 5>they do it in Mexico you're so worried about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well now now now I understand where you're coming from

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 5>You.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, the Biden administration for years said no

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<v Speaker 2>the borders aren't open. But you're an honest man, and

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<v Speaker 2>you would you you favor open borders, which is okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Which is okay. I appreciate that along with open borders

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<v Speaker 5>I don't agree with that. I agree with you. That's

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<v Speaker 5>no good.

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<v Speaker 2>Comes comes fentanyl. Do you know how many? How many

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<v Speaker 2>young Americans die of fentanyl poisoning every year? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have any idea what that number is? No, I don't, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you what the number is about

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five thousand young Americans, mostly people in their late teens, twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>and thirties, die when you and I were growing up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more than too bad. It's more than too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, it's it's tragic.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm glad you're sorry about it. Okay, So what

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<v Speaker 2>are we.

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<v Speaker 5>Gonna do about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, certainly Biden didn't, that's for sure. Let's give someone

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<v Speaker 2>else a chance. Bob. I appreciate your call. It's always

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<v Speaker 2>call more often. You're you're a gentleman, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your call.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much, Big Dan. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night. Let's go to Glenn. Glenn, you

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<v Speaker 2>were next to night side.

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<v Speaker 6>I have to pull all right. A week ago at

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<v Speaker 6>this time, I had the pleasure or mispleasure of having

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<v Speaker 6>a sleep study at Beth Israel Hospital. My friend Tim

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<v Speaker 6>Will spent the night with me. I'm more asleep a

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<v Speaker 6>night here.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, So you had a sleep study? What would you

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<v Speaker 2>have to sleep study for?

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<v Speaker 6>My doctor wortered it. She wants to know if I

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<v Speaker 6>have apnea sleep apnea. So they you know, they put

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<v Speaker 6>stuff in her. They taped stuff to your body and

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<v Speaker 6>your nose. And it went from eight thirty till five

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<v Speaker 6>thirty in the morning. Yeah, and the technician so called

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<v Speaker 6>kept waking me up. I only got two hours asleep

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<v Speaker 6>thirty nights, five thirty the morning. He kept saying, turnal,

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<v Speaker 6>go on your back. I need data. Well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 6>I told him I don't like to sleep on my back.

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<v Speaker 6>I have nightmares. I don't know. It's a child. I

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<v Speaker 6>scream in my sleep, like God, don't let me die.

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<v Speaker 6>I get sleep proalysis. I said, I can't. Oh, we

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<v Speaker 6>need data. It's only for a half hour and then

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<v Speaker 6>you can turn you know. Every time I was you

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<v Speaker 6>sound like.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a great time gLing. Geez, oh, I certainly did.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, did they figure out if you had sleep apnea?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me guess you got sleep apnea.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I don't know what they figured out. I haven't

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<v Speaker 6>gotten the results yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but when you when you, when you get the results,

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<v Speaker 2>please let us know, because I'm sure there are people

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<v Speaker 2>out there waiting with baited breadth of no whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not you're sleep apnea. But that's okay, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, in the guy barely spoke English. He was

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<v Speaker 6>a foreigner. He was yelling through a PA system, and

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<v Speaker 6>he sounded like he had masks on. He was almost.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably in the other room, he made right, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, and when you're gonna get when you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get the results.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know because I still haven't gotten the results.

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<v Speaker 6>I had a blood test in October because I'm tired

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<v Speaker 6>all the time for no reason. I still haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 6>the results from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you got to get more sleep, then you won't

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<v Speaker 2>be so tired.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, no, the more the more time I sleep, fine,

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<v Speaker 6>I can sleep like a baby and still be tired.

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<v Speaker 6>But the point is, I mean I can drink caffeine

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<v Speaker 6>and sleep like a baby and wake up tired and sleep.

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<v Speaker 6>The first thing I did when I got home was

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<v Speaker 6>sleep all day. My schedule got inverted.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, how does that lot apply this uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this experience with what we're talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I take all the hospitals. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 6>they're becoming more corporatized, Like I noticed that when hospitals

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<v Speaker 6>merged then they laid people off like banks to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. I think that's an astute observation that

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of hospitals that are looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it from it's the bean counters, who are you know?

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<v Speaker 2>You saw that with the Steward disaster here in Messa.

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<v Speaker 6>I know, And I get bills that I don't have

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<v Speaker 6>to pay for. I thought Obamacare was supposed to pay

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<v Speaker 6>I have all kinds of insurance and I'm still getting

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<v Speaker 6>bills that I ignore.

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<v Speaker 2>But that means you're part of That means you're part

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<v Speaker 2>of the problem if you ignore the bills.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Well, yeah, but of course I'm supposed to be

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<v Speaker 6>you know covered.

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<v Speaker 2>I look, I think that's the field, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Obamacare was sold to us. The group that loved

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<v Speaker 2>Obamacare the most was insurance companies.

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<v Speaker 6>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been being boozled because sleep study. I will tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I will bet you that that sleep study that that

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<v Speaker 2>you uh experienced, if you underwent, I'll bet you they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to charge you about three thousand dollars for that

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<v Speaker 2>sleep study.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they can put me in dinner's prison because I

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<v Speaker 6>ain't gonna say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know what the results are. Okay, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Wish they would treat me like an illegal, but that's

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<v Speaker 6>another story.

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<v Speaker 2>Maintain their sense of humor, that's important. Okay, thanks by Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to you gotta you go crazy the simple

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 6>Tell me about it, all right, let me know.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens in this one. I'm gonna bet you. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>bet your buck you got apnea. If they test you

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<v Speaker 2>for apnea and they're gonna come back and tell you

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<v Speaker 2>got sleep apnea.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm telling you, well, I hope you could have.

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<v Speaker 2>We could have saved the taxpayers three thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>just comes with the diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think where quickly Tom from with Virginia. I

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<v Speaker 6>think he was talking about the difference between a homo

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<v Speaker 6>genius culture and a heteral genius socialized Madison works in

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<v Speaker 6>a homo genious culture. But we're a heterical genius culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, great student observation, and you use that we have

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<v Speaker 2>just used those words correctly.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, we have immigrants with the sniffles that can't

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<v Speaker 6>speak English and the emergency room. I mean, I hate

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<v Speaker 6>to be rude, but yep, yeah, well you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't hate to be rude, but you don't enjoy being rude.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me put it like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I know. Thanks when I talked to you later,

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<v Speaker 6>good night, Yeah, thanks too, doctor you.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon be better, be better. Back at night Side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones we go. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>next to Larry in Oxford. Hey, Larry, welcome, mister Ray.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that both the Fuggal government of which you're

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<v Speaker 9>talking about from time to time this evening, and also

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<v Speaker 9>the General Brigham are facing the same kind of problems,

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<v Speaker 9>which is a leadership issue, and the leadership has been absent,

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<v Speaker 9>probably because the board hasn't been careful at the maths

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<v Speaker 9>General over the last few years, and they really need

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<v Speaker 9>to look at the balance because running a major teaching

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<v Speaker 9>hospital or particularly a Hobbard Teaching Hospital. There are three

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<v Speaker 9>critical people, the hospital administrator, the president of the hospital,

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<v Speaker 9>who was usually a doctor, and the chief nurse. And

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<v Speaker 9>I was very close to the chief nurse who is

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<v Speaker 9>my wife at another Harvard Teaching hospital. She's now been

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<v Speaker 9>dead and gone for over ten years. Critical issues, very

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<v Speaker 9>critical issues. Now in the federal government, we've had President Trump,

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<v Speaker 9>President Biden, President Trump, and then those in front those

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<v Speaker 9>who came before him, a couple of them, including President Obama.

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<v Speaker 9>And I said, the leadership was absent there. The leadership

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<v Speaker 9>was absent. They didn't have a clue sometimes about what

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<v Speaker 9>to do and how to manage the Congress, manage the

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<v Speaker 9>judicial system, which has has a role to play in

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<v Speaker 9>our constitution. And the fact of the matter is the

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<v Speaker 9>leadership has been absent in both places. Until US comes back,

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<v Speaker 9>it's not going to change.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So, as someone who has had some experience and

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<v Speaker 2>with with hospitals, in hospitals, hospital management, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think this augur? Is this news today from mass General Brigham?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that augur well or at all?

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<v Speaker 9>Because the fact of the matter is they're not going

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<v Speaker 9>to know who to lay off, you know, and how

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<v Speaker 9>to balance it. So that you don't get into trouble

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<v Speaker 9>with more trouble because you get the wrong people gone.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a real problem, all right, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that. I wish that you were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more optimistic about it. But I think you have a

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<v Speaker 2>realistic view, So I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 9>I ladiate and blind, and I'm promised senior officer in

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<v Speaker 9>the Air Force. You know, I have to tell you

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<v Speaker 9>it's leadership is an issue, and leadership is something you've

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<v Speaker 9>got to stay with all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely. I mean, if you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to talk about sports, the successful sports

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<v Speaker 2>franchises have they always have. They have to have great athletes,

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<v Speaker 2>but they also have to have great leadership.

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<v Speaker 9>So I you know, I think until it happens in

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<v Speaker 9>the federal government, and I don't think it's there now,

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<v Speaker 9>and I don't think it's been there for over a decade. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>maybe longer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for the next Democrat who's like Jack Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 2>and looking for the next Republican who's like Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 9>Now he had to look for an FDR or Aarry Truman, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to try to have one from each party.

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<v Speaker 9>As an example, sir, then you can go to General Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a great military commander, not probably the greatest president

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<v Speaker 2>of the I think Ronald Reagan was a much greater

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<v Speaker 2>president than Dwight Eisenhower. I think Eisenhower was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sleep at the switch. If you're talking about leadership, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a great had We had a lazy nineteen fifties. Historically.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we we kept up with the Russians,

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<v Speaker 2>and it took President Kennedy to get us going back

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<v Speaker 2>back on the stick on that point. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>a big issue with the time. In my opinion. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just simply my opinion. Larry, again, Willia, I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. I'm sorry about losing your wife.

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<v Speaker 9>Who crossed the who crossed the line between Eisenhower and Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 9>That tug who kept pushing to make sure we weren't

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<v Speaker 9>sleeping at the switch. His name was Curtis LeMay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. He was George Wallace's vice presidential candidate in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight, and he was a bit of a joke

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<v Speaker 2>because well, I don't know about that, Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we could argue that another day, Larry, I gotta keep

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<v Speaker 2>rolling here, my friend, I got other folks I got

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<v Speaker 2>to get to. Thank you very much, appreciate it. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go to Dana in Gloucester. Dana, next on, Nice,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get you in at least one more.

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<v Speaker 2>We're go and go ahead, Dana.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>My experiences with primary care.

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<v Speaker 2>Physicians Okay, good or bad?

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<v Speaker 5>I Dad, I had one before I got to see him,

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<v Speaker 5>be left. They had. I had to pick another one

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<v Speaker 5>before I got to see that one. They left. I

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<v Speaker 5>went for a year and a half without seeing a physician.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally I got one.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not easy to get data, as I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>know from your own experience right now, to get a

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<v Speaker 2>primary care physician. And and this was this was aggravated

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<v Speaker 2>by COVID. My primary care physician retired when COVID occurred

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<v Speaker 2>because he was concerned I think, you know, for his

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<v Speaker 2>own safety, which is understandable. And also he was overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 2>by the amount of paperwork that he was required to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He was doing more paperwork than providing medical care. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe in his in his mind, he was doing much

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<v Speaker 2>more paperwork than he should have.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, it doesn't look good for healthcare in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 5>with the Stewart Buckle, and now with what you're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about with mass General Brigham, it does a rough good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a rough few months here, Dana. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about it tonight. And I appreciate, appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>calling about the problem with PCPs. Very important, very important.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, Dan, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thank you, Dan, appreciate it. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 2>Jim and Ashland. Jim, you were next on Nicee. Go

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead, Jim.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I've been to the ring in the last four years.

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<v Speaker 8>I've I've been really sick and they can't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 8>So I've been almost every hospital in Boston. And on

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<v Speaker 8>top of it, my wife worked for Stewarts and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>it's so bad just trying to get a person. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>it's so ridiculous. These places. They can't afford lea anybody off.

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<v Speaker 8>They're gonna hire more people. You can't talk to anybody.

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<v Speaker 8>It's ridiculous. I get an appointment now. My next appointment

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<v Speaker 8>is with one of the Holy Hospitals in Boston. I

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<v Speaker 8>haven't been to Israel and they can't fit me until

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<v Speaker 8>August twenty fifth. And I've been so sick the last

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<v Speaker 8>four years, and like I said, my wife by insurance

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<v Speaker 8>just changed because it's through with debacle and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 8>to like navigate everything. But you can't talk to anybody.

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<v Speaker 8>You can't talk to anybody. You just call and get

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<v Speaker 8>you leave a voicemailing, and some of them even say, well,

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<v Speaker 8>we'll get back to you within twenty four to forty

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<v Speaker 8>eight hours. I'm like, that's unacceptable. Somebody should answer the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the same I called it one of the major

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<v Speaker 2>utilities today. I'm not going to mention which one it was,

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<v Speaker 2>but they said leave your number and we'll call you

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<v Speaker 2>back within ten minutes. Well, I left my number around

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<v Speaker 2>two thirty. The day ended around five o'clock. I still

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard back from them, so they're all screwed up.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, this is the same thing I just I just

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<v Speaker 8>ran into that they're doing the gas lines over on

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<v Speaker 8>my street and I'm one of the only houses in

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<v Speaker 8>the in the uh In neighborhood don't have gas. So

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<v Speaker 8>they said, oh, they'll probably run it for nothing because

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<v Speaker 8>there and I tried to get a hold of person

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<v Speaker 8>for three days, three days and all I got was recordings.

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<v Speaker 2>We're falling apart. At the same simple as that. Hey, Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>hanging there.

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<v Speaker 8>You're not alone anywhere in the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim, thanks very much, keep your keep your wits about you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we'll get this squared away, I promise. Okay, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for calling, and thanks for listening to you.

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<v Speaker 8>You've got you talk to you producer real quick too.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure up, yeap, he'll talk to Roth. You hang on there.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a break for the news. Uh, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>switch topics, gonna talk about yesterday's Super Bowl. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>on the line, I'd love to have you stay there

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<v Speaker 2>and start that conversation. Coming back right after the break

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven o'clock