WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:02.640 Alrighty, it is time. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:06.360 What's going on on a Monday drivetime. It's about nine 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:11.039 minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Monday afternoon. 4 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:13.480 It's chilly, but it is nice. 5 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:16.199 The sun is shining here and downtown Salt Lake City 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.879 a ton as it is every single day. 7 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:20.920 It's good to have you along for the rides. Sense check. 8 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:23.280 It's beyond the micro porter, Larson behind the glass. We 9 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.399 are off and running on this Monday afternoon with just 10 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.199 a ton to get to. Of course, the bulk of 11 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:33.000 our coverage will be rival Re Week. Anybody who talks 12 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:34.560 into a microphone this week, whether. 13 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:35.399 It's on radio or TV. 14 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:39.840 I've already counted four daffy ducks walking watching some of 15 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.920 the local stuff over the weekend. Rival Re Week said 16 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.560 that in front of my mirror twenty times. But I'm 17 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.679 sure I will mess it up once or twice between 18 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.159 now and Saturday. But I just got to say right 19 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:52.039 off the top, I love this week. I love the 20 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.320 energy of the week. I'm excited to be on air 21 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:54.799 this week. 22 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:57.359 We appreciate you, appreciate you making us a part of it. 23 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:58.920 I know you have a lot of options. We'll get 24 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.840 you ready for the game. We've got great guests scheduled 25 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.120 all week long, starting with a couple of really good 26 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:05.640 guests today. 27 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:06.760 We'll get to that in a moment. 28 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.359 But for the one hundred and second time, Utah and 29 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:16.120 BYU play football on Saturday night inside Rice Ecles Stadium, 30 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.840 of course, eight fifteen Mountain time is your kick. 31 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:21.239 We'll have you covered with pregame Porter Larsen and. 32 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.200 A cast of characters live from the ESPN seven hundred 33 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.799 tailgate lot of Guardsman's Way, Come on up and see 34 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.239 us prior to the game. Porter is gonna get rolling 35 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.000 at four fifteen four hours a pre game coverage for 36 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:38.000 Utah BYU coming up on Saturday night, and there's a 37 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.959 lot at stake for both teams in very different ways. 38 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.599 So BYU at this point is a four point favorite. 39 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.599 The official spread open at five. It's moved down one 40 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.000 point towards the University of Utah. You're over under his 41 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.120 forty one point five money line for those of you 42 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:57.319 that are into such things, minus one ninety on BYU. 43 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.519 So what the line is telling us is there's not 44 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:03.879 a lot of confidence either way in a rivalry game. Typically, 45 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:05.760 if you see a five point spread for the team 46 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.080 that's on the road, you jump on that. But the 47 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:11.360 fact of the matter is Utah football has not shown 48 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.400 enough to have a lot of confidence, and. 49 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:14.800 You can field around the community. 50 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.680 So we'll get into it today and we'll attack it 51 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:21.159 from every different angle. Of course, as we do on 52 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.599 the show, we keep our eyes on our other local 53 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:24.960 in state products. 54 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.879 I do not know when the Utah Jazz are gonna win. 55 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:31.879 A basketball game. They're on the road for three more games. 56 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:36.159 It's Chicago, Milwaukee, San Antonio. They come home for Phoenix. 57 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.039 In Dallas, they're on the road against the Kings and 58 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.120 the Cliffs, the Lakers, the Spurs home against it. 59 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:42.719 I'm not kidding. 60 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:45.439 This could be like an OO to twenty five team, 61 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:47.520 and I'm here for it. 62 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:48.879 I'm sorry. 63 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:50.879 I know that bums a lot of people out, but 64 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:54.000 the best time to do this was two years ago. 65 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.759 The second best time is now. So a little jazz 66 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.319 basketball on the show today. RSL saw its season come 67 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.759 to a horribly disappointing end in Minnesota. 68 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:05.719 Both games went to pks. 69 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:10.680 RSL lost both, So a season that we saw a 70 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:14.120 single season record for both goals scored and points accumulated 71 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.680 comes to an end. And now we find out what's next. 72 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.240 Pablo has two years left on his deal. I'm sure 73 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.520 my man's gonna be back. I don't know what you 74 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.680 do as far as some of the personnel decisions that 75 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.520 did not pay off at all. You know, it was 76 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.080 odd to watch the new acquisition step up to the 77 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.680 penalty spot and all missed their kicks on the road. 78 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:37.800 So a interesting offseason head for RSL. Third straight year 79 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.159 out in PK's third straight year out in the first 80 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.719 round of the postseason. So RSL season comes to a close. 81 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.840 The Utah Hockey Club had an up and down week. 82 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.719 They're going to be an action against Winnipeg tomorrow. Winnipeg 83 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.400 is the best team in the Central Division. They've only 84 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.240 lost once. Utah Hockey Club has lost five of their 85 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.840 last six, most recently on the road at Vegas four 86 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:58.199 to three. 87 00:03:58.240 --> 00:03:59.360 So Winnipeg tomorrow. 88 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.719 A chaotic, crazy weekend in college football, both in the 89 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.719 Big Twelve and nationally. When we last spoke, there were 90 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:09.919 eight unbeaten teams in college football. Now there's only five, 91 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.280 and of course Bringham Young is one of them. We 92 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.479 told you a Texas Tech Iowa State. Keep an eye 93 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.959 out for that one. In Iowa State got God at home. 94 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.079 Is Houston good? I don't know? 95 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.160 Is anybody good or bad of the Big Twelve? I 96 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:24.720 don't know, but Houston bk State at home. Arizona State 97 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:26.800 went to Stillwater and just beat up on the worst 98 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.480 team in the conference, which is wild Mike gun do 99 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.879 you like prior to this year he never loses at home. 100 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.680 Now he can't win, not even one conference game. UCF 101 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.399 stomped Arizona and Baylor got a nice win for David 102 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.120 rand at home over TCU, but upsets both in the 103 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.519 Big Twelve and nationally as well. 104 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.240 A couple of more unbeatens went down. 105 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.439 Oregon is the best team in the country, deservedly, so 106 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.519 Ohio State got a nice win and Happy Valley over 107 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:57.000 Penn State cam Ward Man. Miami continues to roll, but 108 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.439 when you look at some of the upsets. Clemson lost 109 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.000 that home to Louisville, knocking them down a pig or two. 110 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.000 Indiana remains clean. They just smoke bad teams, but they're undefeated. 111 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.879 SMU with a good one over Pit which looks good 112 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:10.639 for Brigham Young. 113 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.000 But a big upset is Texas. 114 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.240 A and m lost on the road to South Carolina, 115 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.639 so if you're a Utah fan, the one thing that 116 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.040 gives you a little bit of hope for Saturday is 117 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.519 chaos every weekend in both the Big Twelve and in 118 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.439 college football, because, as I said, the data at this 119 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.240 point indicates that the by is the better team. I 120 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.199 don't know who could argue that right now, right, so 121 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.040 we'll get to it. Your Week nine in pro football 122 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.279 wraps up tonight with a little Monday Night football. You 123 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.959 can hear it on our radio station when we say 124 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.680 good night. Kansas City welcomes in Tampa Bay. The Chiefs 125 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.279 are getting nine points. The over under is forty five 126 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.199 point five. All right, happy Monday. Hope you had a 127 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.600 great weekend. It's kind of a nervous week, right, you 128 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.600 can field the underlying energy and the anxiety. We've got 129 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.639 rivalry week, we've got an election upon us, and the 130 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.360 cold weather is here as we've earned our calendars to November. 131 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.199 Right off the top, we're going to be in Smitty today. 132 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.600 Richard Smith will stop by as we do every Monday 133 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.040 throughout the college football season. In case you did not 134 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.480 hear they head ball coach FDU coach Wit we'll bring 135 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:18.079 that back as media availability. The latest on the quarterback situations, 136 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:21.160 some thoughts on BYU. So we'll bring in coach Win 137 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:22.879 in case you missed it, and then we'll bring on 138 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.079 Kilanie Satake live on the program. We're going to interview 139 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.879 BYU's head coach and good friend of mine, former defensive 140 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:31.839 coordinator at the University of Utah. 141 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:32.920 That's my guy, you know. 142 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.120 So when it comes to some of this rivalry stuff, 143 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.920 I know, the competition can kind of overwhelm you a 144 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.560 little bit, but when it comes to the actual personalities, 145 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.120 you should know that, at least from my vantage point, 146 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:44.680 most of the people that I've been able to get 147 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.319 to know on both BYU and. 148 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:47.639 Utah side are good people. 149 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.079 So as Colannie says, wishing bad things on good people 150 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.600 is bad for the soul. I don't know if Colonie 151 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:55.399 said he said something like that, I'm paraphrasing. 152 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:57.800 So Klanie's going to stop by the show today. 153 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.199 Then Josh Furlong and covers the utes or KSL we'll 154 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.040 roll by as well. So a little bit of everything 155 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.279 on the show with a heavy lean towards BYU and Utah. 156 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.160 Coming up on Saturday here in saut Lake City. It's 157 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.240 supposed to be cold but clear as of now about 158 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.240 forty five degrees a kickoff with clear skies that it 159 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.279 is Utah, we could get a seismic snowstorm blowing in 160 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.480 thirty minutes before kick You never know. So Oh, by 161 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:26.319 the way, college basketball, it's like here, Utah women played today, 162 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:27.480 the Utah Men play tonight. 163 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:29.680 Watch Duke. 164 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.360 You don't have a choice if you watch college basketball. 165 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.120 Duke's on ESPN every night. But watch Cooper Flag. This 166 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:35.639 is the deal. 167 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:36.000 Guys. 168 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.120 What the Jazz are doing is hard, but the payoff 169 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.680 could be great if Lady Luck finally shines upon them. 170 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:45.600 So Richard Smith, Kyle Whittingham, Kladie Satake, Josh Furlong, Me 171 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.600 Spence Check, it's all of you, the great listeners and 172 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:49.279 Porter Lars from the producer. 173 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:49.399 Of the show. 174 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.879 On a Monday, you can kind of feel the axis 175 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.920 here in Salt Lake. You can feel the underlying energy 176 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.680 and anxiety. I love this week, I always have. But 177 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:02.120 a lot of people don't like the anxious feel you know, yeah. 178 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:04.560 And I'm with you. You can feel it a little bit. 179 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.439 You can definitely feel it up at the the Spence 180 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:12.040 and kleone Ekles Football facility, which I was at this morning. 181 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.160 And that's part of the plan, right, that's that's part 182 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.000 of the process. Is games like this, whether it's big 183 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.920 stakes or usually just rivalries. Right, it's either a big game, 184 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.160 a bowl game, a conference title game, or a rivalry 185 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.120 game in college football. They bring a different level of urgency, 186 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.799 a different level of pressure, a different feel, and you 187 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.200 definitely get that this week. And as you mentioned, other 188 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.919 things going on as well. So yeah, it's a little tense, but. 189 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.600 Sports radio isn't. We can have fun out here. 190 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.799 Wait a second, are you telling me that building is 191 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.960 named after Spence Ecles Yes. 192 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:52.720 Not check its so after all these years, I know. 193 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.559 I just felt like they liked the show, wanted to 194 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.279 give you a little pub and they smacked it on there. 195 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.120 It makes sense. He probably donates more money than I 196 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.960 do a little bit. All right, let's get to it. 197 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.240 Excited for this On a Monday, Richard Smith will be 198 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:06.480 our first guest. But before we get the Smitte Curtis 199 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.919 of our friends at Standard Restaurant Supply, go to Standard 200 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.600 Restaurant dot com or stop by their convenient location here 201 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.159 in Salt Lake City on a Monday. 202 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:15.559 It's time now for your opening tip. 203 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.159 Welcome to the Drive with Spence check it's on Utah's 204 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.840 number one sports talk now into the studio of ESPN 205 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.799 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 206 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:27.799 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 207 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:31.159 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 208 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.840 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 209 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:36.919 south West Temple. 210 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:42.279 For the one hundred and second overall time, Utah and 211 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.600 BYU will play football coming up on Saturday night, first 212 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.080 time in three years. Last time, of course, BYU broke 213 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.000 a nine game losing streak, and for the first time 214 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.559 since twenty eighteen, BYU will be here at rice Ecles. 215 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.159 BYU has not been Utah in Salt Lake since two 216 00:09:59.200 --> 00:09:59.919 thousand and six. 217 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.399 But as I said, the last time. 218 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.600 These two played, as we know, BYU got the better 219 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.960 of it and there couldn't be more at stake in 220 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:09.720 different ways in my estimation. 221 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:11.120 So let's dig into it, Okay. 222 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.279 So, first of all, the line opened up with BYU 223 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:18.080 minus five, So Vegas essentially is saying with a you 224 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.480 generally allow the home team a three point built in 225 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:24.759 advantage just for being at home. So what Vegas is 226 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.080 saying is they think BYU is a little bit more 227 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.879 than a touchdown better than Utah football on a neutral 228 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.200 field this year, and obviously the home stadium advantage comes 229 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.799 into play. The spread moved pretty quickly to four, and 230 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:40.960 I actually was anticipating because the nature of this game 231 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.679 and BYU being on the road, then a lot of 232 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.679 people would jump on that five and move it to 233 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.519 maybe two and a half or three. But it has 234 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:51.440 stayed steady at four for about thirty six hours. Okay, 235 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.320 So what that means is there's not a lot of 236 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.200 confidence from people who study this stuff to try to 237 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.120 make money and don't give a rip about blue or 238 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.480 red in Utah. Okay, that's what the line is telling us. 239 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.720 Most people that are betting on this game don't believe 240 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.559 that Utah is the right side. Now, not a lot 241 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:10.879 of people are betting on BYU. Obviously hasn't moved in 242 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.039 their direction. But it's essentially a static line and I 243 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.600 wouldn't touch it just because of the nature of this game. Now, 244 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.159 the data that we have in hand just indicates BYU 245 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.399 is not just better, but they're much better. Okay, that's 246 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.759 what we have seen on tape so far. That's what 247 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.320 the numbers tell us. Okay, So, if you're just talking 248 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.679 about two football teams, and if you're just breaking down 249 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.279 what we've seen, BYU needs to and should for anybody 250 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.080 who's analyzing it, get the tip of the cap for 251 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.840 what they've done so far eight and o five and 252 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:44.120 zero in conference, and after a chaotic weekend behind us, 253 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.320 Brigham Young is the only undefeated team in the Big Twelve. 254 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.320 Okay, So we're gonna get into a couple. 255 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.799 Of elements here about what the weekend behind us means 256 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.799 now for BYU, because the fact of the matter is 257 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.279 BYU could still get got and most likely make the 258 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.440 conference championship game. And honestly, when you look at the 259 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.639 way the schedules are kind of unfolding, there's a really 260 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.919 good chance that the two teams playing for the Big 261 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.639 Twelve championship will be Brigham Young in Colorado. We'll get 262 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:14.960 to more of that in a moment, but what a 263 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.759 matchup that would be. Okay, So, again, if you're just 264 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:21.399 analyzing the two teams without the dynamic of what this 265 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:25.480 game means to people, BYU certainly has the edge and 266 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:28.240 what Kilani has done, and of course this is not 267 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.519 a surprise because as Kilani himself talks about, he really 268 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.320 learned how to do this under coach Wit, and he 269 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.639 learned how to coach defensive football under coach Win. And 270 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.519 Kalani has taken Kyle's playbook and he is out kyled Kyle. 271 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.200 I mean, that's what's happening. BYU is out Utah ing 272 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.279 Utah right now, and you give him a ton of 273 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.919 credit for what they've been able to do. Okay, so 274 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.360 they could ultimately get got by Utah on Saturday and 275 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.360 still march on to play in and potentially win a 276 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:58.600 Big Twelve Championship. 277 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.919 Now, the other thing, the chaos in the. 278 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.639 Big Twelve is done, has really dampened the reputation of 279 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.320 this conference around college football. If you're listening to any 280 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.159 of these analysts, now, this is a one big, one 281 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.399 big league period, end of story. So even if Utah 282 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.519 enters the Big Twelve, or excuse me, even if BYU 283 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:19.080 enters the Big Twelve Championship with one loss, it sounds 284 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.039 like they're gonna have to win that game because there's 285 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:25.519 not a partner that could essentially allow this conference to 286 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.919 get two teams in. We thought it could be Iowa State, 287 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.440 but they got God, they lost, and that leaves BYU 288 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.120 as the only undefeated Big Twelve teams. So ultimately, while 289 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.080 this would be a dent for BYU if they lose 290 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.080 to Utah, it is not a kill shot at all. 291 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:44.240 So there's this whole thing like Utah plays spoiler. Utah 292 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:48.320 could spoil an undefeated season, but Utah at this point 293 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.879 could not spoil BYU's chances to go play for a 294 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:51.960 Big twelve championship. 295 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:53.200 So that's kind of off the table. 296 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.840 And as I said earlier, there's a lot at stake 297 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.440 for both these teams in much different ways. 298 00:13:59.480 --> 00:13:59.960 FORYA. 299 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.240 Of course, it is as they used to call it, 300 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:06.000 the quest for perfection and continues because how nice would 301 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.000 they twelve and oh season be And how nice would 302 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.600 you know, a chance to go down to Dallas and 303 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.200 play in the Big twelve Championship for BYU in their 304 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:15.600 second year in the Big Twelve. 305 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:16.840 How nice would that be for them? 306 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.600 And then potentially a first round by in the CFP, 307 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.519 and if we get really really crazy, potentially hosting a 308 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.600 home playoff game at Lavell Edwards Stadium. All things that 309 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.000 we were saying about Utah. Oh, I don't know about 310 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.759 four four and a half five months ago. That's all 311 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:36.960 on the table for BYU. Okay, for Utah, what's at 312 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.960 stake is it's much different. Okay, Now, look, the only 313 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.879 thing worse for a college football program with the expectations 314 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.559 that Utah has as a result of what Kyle has built. 315 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.240 The only thing worse for the Utes then playing in 316 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.960 a throwaway bowl game is not being eligible for one. 317 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.639 And Guys, if they lose on Saturday, I'm not sure 318 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.799 they get to six. We had two yes last week 319 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.600 predict Utah's not going bowling, But the way the schedule 320 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.440 has played out, everything, it's still Seinfeld upside down Bizarro world. 321 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:11.360 The way the schedule has played out, they really have 322 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:13.360 four difficult. 323 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:13.919 Games left to get two. 324 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.480 Okay, and I have a hard time believing based off 325 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.639 of what we've seen that Utah can go to Boulder 326 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.639 and get a Colorado team. And you got to give 327 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.799 Dion credit, man, they are much better and improved year 328 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.279 over year than they were a year ago. 329 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.600 For sure, Iowa State just lost. 330 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:30.840 But at this point, again, if you just go off 331 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.240 the numbers in the data, I think Iowa State's gonna 332 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.679 come in here as a favorite. As of now, things 333 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.399 could change over the course of a couple of weeks. 334 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:41.799 Then you're on a short week after Thanksgiving against a 335 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.120 UCF team that's just another one of these big twelve 336 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.879 teams that could probably get you if you're not if 337 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.080 you're not right on that day. You know, ultimately that's 338 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.919 what this conference has manifested as. But outside of the okay, 339 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:56.360 keep bowl ill eligibility alive. Outside of the okay, get 340 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:59.600 your rival, you know, based off of BYU's undefeated season, 341 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.080 give them their first loss. This might also be the 342 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.759 last chance for these players who will not be here 343 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:12.000 next year, whether it's guys graduating, guys transferring, to endear 344 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.039 themselves to a community that honestly right now is pretty 345 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.720 down on the squad. Okay, So like for a ute fan, 346 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.840 and as we've talked about, if you pull up either 347 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.440 by you or Utah's roster, you can do it right now. 348 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:30.559 If you're online at work, you see Florida, California, Virginia, 349 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.840 you see players from all over the country. Meaning if 350 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.840 you are an eighteen year old from Texas BYU, Utah 351 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.919 probably didn't reverberate with you at all throughout the course 352 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.480 of your life. So maybe a lot of these players 353 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.679 don't fully understand what this thing is all about, but 354 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:47.480 Kyle does. 355 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.399 Morgan, does you know all those. 356 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:54.200 Guys up there do a lot of them played in it, ironically, 357 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.039 some of them on the other sidelight coach with. So 358 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:03.159 what the coaches are tasked with now is basically instilling 359 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.559 in these young men over the next you know, five 360 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:09.079 six days, this might be your last chance to be 361 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.759 great in front of this community in a way where 362 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:16.000 you will always be remembered. That's what a big time 363 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:19.039 performance against b YU means for Utah football players. That's 364 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.599 why we remember the Eddie Johnson's and the Scott Mitchells 365 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.599 and the Brandon Burton blocks and Brett Ratliffe coming out 366 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.400 of nowhere like that's why you remember Johnny Harlean. 367 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.839 That's why you remember Max Hall and Austin. 368 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.200 Coley and all the names and fourth and eighteen and 369 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.759 Beck to Harlean and block kicks and three field goals 370 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.279 and students rushing the field and a guy in suspenders 371 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.640 trying to front Bronco Menen Hall and BYU fans yelling 372 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.119 at Kyle's wife like that's beer being poured on people 373 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.279 all the time, even though there's no beer in the stadium. 374 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.000 Somehow it gets poured on people all the time, Like 375 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.279 we talk about this game in such a way that 376 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.079 if you happen to be at the top of your 377 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.920 game at the right moment on Saturday, yes, we'll always 378 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.240 look back on the season as, wow, how did that 379 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:05.759 get away? 380 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:06.279 Right? 381 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:10.279 All of us locally, nationally, everybody thought Utah would be 382 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.079 where BYU is. There's something close to it and that 383 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.119 can't change. Okay, so there's no use in existing in 384 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.319 the four game losing streak space. But what could shift 385 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.920 on Saturday is the way you respond in the biggest 386 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.039 sporting event we have in our state and be great 387 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.000 for one day and go beat that team one time, 388 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:31.839 and people around here will talk about this team a 389 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.039 little bit differently, even though everything we thought would be 390 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.920 on the table is not all right, We're going to 391 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.559 continue this conversation throughout the course of not just today, 392 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.920 but throughout the week. The rivalry game will carry the 393 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.160 bulk of our coverage, But there are other things going 394 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.240 on of course here Locally. We have an NBA team 395 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.200 that is struggling, struggling mightily. We have a hockey team 396 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.279 that's struggling a little bit we have a soccer team 397 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.119 that's no longer playing soccer, but college basketball is going 398 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:59.000 on as well, and so we'll bring Smitty in coming 399 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.400 up on the other side. Uh too, We'll bring Smitty 400 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:03.920 in coming up on the other side to do a 401 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:05.480 little jazz. But I want to get his take on 402 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:09.599 Utah b Yu as well. Great Quincy Jones passed away 403 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.640 at the age of ninety one. I don't know that 404 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:16.440 Michael Jackson should have been the lead off. Based off 405 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.039 all the options we have, We're gonna play artists that 406 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:21.559 Quincy Jones had a hand. 407 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.519 Maybe maybe we ease off the the mj. 408 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:28.519 Hey, to be clear, what was the first one you mentioned? Also, 409 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.200 we got the radio play here. I gotta I gotta 410 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:37.400 dig into the uh the uh the records to get 411 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:38.880 some of the Quincy Jones ones. They're not they're not 412 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:40.680 giving me any very many options. 413 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.480 On who Sinatra. Okay, but hey, but look Charles Ray, 414 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.319 Charles Hey, look, I'll I'll tell you what. 415 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.640 Occasionally, Ignition by R. Kelly comes on my playlist and 416 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:51.400 I'm like, what do you want? 417 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:52.599 It's a good song. What do you want me to do? 418 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.039 You're dancing to? So you know what? Hello? Smitty. Let's 419 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:58.200 get turn on Smitty's Mike here, let's get Smitty. 420 00:19:57.920 --> 00:19:58.319 Dialed a way. 421 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:00.920 What is what what should do with Michael Jackson? 422 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.880 Maybe you haven't googled it in a minute. Uh, hey, 423 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:09.400 just gonna I'm gonna back away from the Quincy Jones 424 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:10.240 Michael Jackson. 425 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:15.720 That was That's one of the old time most successful partnerships. 426 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:18.640 And I'm not talking about how many how many records 427 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.519 he sold. Man, his success is not arguable. We're on 428 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:24.519 the same page with that one. 429 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:26.920 Hey, no, no, no, no, but hey, all you have to 430 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.920 do is play anything from the Uh what was the 431 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.039 documentary that came out in the in the last year 432 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:33.839 on Netflix with the the. 433 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.960 One where they all got together? That was good. By 434 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.119 the way, we'll play we Are the World. We can 435 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:39.200 do that. That one's safe. 436 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:39.599 Yeah. 437 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.359 But Quincy Jones, I mean a legend passed old No. 438 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.000 And he was he was such a such an icon 439 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.759 in in the music industry and uh and then at 440 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:54.880 a time when when he was able to assert his 441 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.440 leadership in the music industry with a lot of uh 442 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.720 uh non new artists but also established artists who wanted 443 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.480 to come and work with him, and he had a 444 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:12.599 long run of success, and that's that's very sad to 445 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:13.559 hear of his. 446 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.519 Passing, certainly, So that's gonna be the musical theme on 447 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.920 the show today. We'll try to rebound from our awkward start. 448 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:23.680 Richard Smith, you are a number of different things. You 449 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.440 are a basketball savant, you are a longtime member of 450 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.240 the Utah Jazz. You are a former baseball All Star 451 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:34.599 and competitive softball outfielders extraordinaire. But you're also a man 452 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.559 in our community that has been kind of ingrained in 453 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.200 the fabric of our sporting culture. And this is a 454 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.079 unique week, right like Utah BYU football one hundred and 455 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.960 second meeting first time in three years. BYU breaks their 456 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.480 nine game losing streak a couple of years back. They 457 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.680 have not won in Salt Lake since two thousand and six, 458 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:56.559 and we have two teams heading in completely different directions. 459 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.559 The nature of rivalry games, it's always been an interesting 460 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:02.519 topic to me because if you ever played in one, 461 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:04.480 and I never played for anything, it mattered. But if 462 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.200 you play throughout the course of your high school or 463 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:09.839 AAU career and the other school is your rival, it 464 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.119 feels different. It always does. I love the energy. I 465 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.079 think it's a lot of fun. As a man who's 466 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:16.880 been to a lot of these games, what do you 467 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:18.319 make of what we could see on Saturday? 468 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.960 Well, you know what's exciting about this, first of all, 469 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:24.720 is that if we just go back a few months, 470 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.640 right in July, when all the pre hype and all 471 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:32.039 that stuff is taking place and everything before the season 472 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:34.960 even started, if you looked at the game on the 473 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:40.319 schedule this Saturday on November ninth, you would have thought, Okay, 474 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:44.039 they're going to go into that game Utah is probably 475 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.279 going to be eight to oh and BYU is probably 476 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:48.440 going to be four and four. 477 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:49.480 Right. 478 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.599 That would have been the projection in July, And now 479 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.359 you get here this week, the script is completely flipped. 480 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.720 And that's one of the great things, as we always 481 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:07.000 talk about UH sports being live theater, that you know, 482 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.000 you can practice, you can do all the stuff that 483 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:12.720 people do on Broadway right for their theater presentation, and 484 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.000 then when the curtain goes up in the theater, you 485 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:16.920 know what's gonna happen because you have a script and 486 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.359 you follow it, and you know who's gonna who's gonna 487 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:21.319 get married to who at the end of the musical 488 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.960 and whatever. But in sports, you do all the same 489 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.599 preparation and then the curtain goes up and you have 490 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.920 no idea what's gonna take place in the next couple hours, 491 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.440 you know, And so that's what makes it always exciting. 492 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.319 And and of course this week. 493 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.400 With the flip of the scripts and b Yu, you know, 494 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.599 running running away with a lot of stuff right now 495 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.400 in terms of the conference and what's happening there and 496 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.880 the position they are in and Utah you know, stumbling 497 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.039 and and and being the place. 498 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.240 That they're in. 499 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.400 It just makes it more more exciting to discuss it, 500 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:01.599 which I know this radio station will do odd nauseum 501 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.079 all all week long. And we'll talk about the same 502 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:05.920 quarterback issues you want to. 503 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:07.680 Talk about, the jazz you want to tell, we'll talk 504 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.599 about We'll talk George, can't you. 505 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.079 Yes, yes, Smitty, we are going to cover Utah EYU 506 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.039 football from every single. 507 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.319 As as it should be. Yeah, I'm just saying, but 508 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:18.079 it's going to be. 509 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.480 And how about you, how about you and Porter and 510 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:26.079 whoever whoever was responsible for getting Kalanie Satake on. I'm 511 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:28.279 like the opening act for the guys. 512 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:28.839 Yes you are. 513 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.680 Yeah, I'm even in the same stage. But you know, well, 514 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.440 look here, you've got Kyle Whitningham lived here. How many 515 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.359 years mid I've been here forty three years. 516 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:40.480 This is home for you now, even though you go 517 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.640 back to the high school in you know, in the 518 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.359 soft part of Connecticut where I didn't grow up, But. 519 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:46.319 This is home. 520 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.759 So it's it's it's really the only thing that we have. 521 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.839 Where we got Thanksgiving coming up. There are split tables. 522 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.000 You know, people are watching this game with anxiety, so 523 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.960 they don't walk into elder's corn and their b YU 524 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:02.200 Google brought. You know, the dude in their ward is 525 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.079 wearing his blue tie and his blue suit and he's 526 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.839 gonna give you the crap. 527 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.079 So it it's the only thing we have in the state. 528 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:09.279 The causes that dynamic. 529 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.920 Yeah, well, you know, and and uh in our house, Uh, 530 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.359 my wife uh is a b y U grad And 531 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.440 I worked at the U for a lot of years 532 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.240 when I first came to Salt Lake, when I was 533 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.160 working both at the University of Utah and and with 534 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:27.759 the jazz and and we have one of those flags 535 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:29.920 that I think is I don't know if it's been 536 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.160 outlawed or you can't get them now. 537 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:33.359 Or what think? 538 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.359 Yeah, yeah, one of those flags where it's down the 539 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:39.759 middle and it says, you know, uh, I forgot even 540 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:40.559 what's on the flag? 541 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.160 Split split house or something or whatever. 542 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:43.400 You know. 543 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.039 The ones i've seen have both logos. 544 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.240 Yeah, yeah, well this has yeah, this has BYU logo 545 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.720 on half and the UTAH logo on half. And it said, oh, 546 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:52.680 you know what the word is on the label of 547 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.759 the flag is house divided. 548 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.440 That's what it is. Yes, yes, And so that's what 549 00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:57.920 we have. 550 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.799 And and we'll have that flag up tonight for this 551 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:02.599 week and then it'll be it'll be fun. 552 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:04.680 Well, and you and I were talking about something off 553 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.559 air that I think is a worthwhile on air conversation, 554 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:13.200 because I know this week hits some people much differently 555 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.640 and they don't like it. They don't like the anxiety, 556 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:20.680 they don't like the dissension, they don't like the heated exchanges. Now, 557 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.880 I don't live online, so we'll let the message board 558 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.440 people do the message board people thing. And I don't 559 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.000 know how much of that really permeates in real life, honestly, don't. 560 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.240 I feel like the people that don't like this week 561 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.240 are talking about the mean thing somebody will say online 562 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.119 about them, which shouldn't matter at all. But like I said, 563 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.359 you also get the church back and forth. You know, 564 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:44.079 obviously plenty of both you alumni and students and you know, 565 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.720 bring them young, the majority of them being LDS. But 566 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:51.119 there's a religious element to this thing. It doesn't exist 567 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:54.799 in very many other rivalries, and it does add to it, 568 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.839 you know what I mean, because there's always this feeling 569 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.319 of well, if BYU won, it's because they're living right 570 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.799 and God loves them. And if you tell one they 571 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.200 got lucky because they're all sinners. Like, there's always this 572 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.839 there's this weird thing that kind of ties into it 573 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.920 that makes it unique in a way that I think 574 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:11.599 is a lot of fun. 575 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.000 But some people don't really enjoy it. 576 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.839 Well, I think that, and I think a good layer 577 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.920 of the uniqueness spence is that within that church dynamic, 578 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.920 you have the people who are by U supporters, who 579 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:28.319 are you know, uh, largely members of the ld S church. 580 00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:34.720 But you also have a good section of active l 581 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.640 d S people who are Utah fans, and so you 582 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.160 have the b y U people. This is this is 583 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.720 my perspective. Now, over the years, you have the b 584 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.880 YU fans who look at the the l D S 585 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.799 Utah fans and wonder, well, why why you over there? 586 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:52.759 You know with that group? You should you should be 587 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.200 over here with us. This is where you where you 588 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.920 should be. And the people who are members of the 589 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:02.039 l D. S Church and and uh uh support the 590 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.079 you and a big Utah fans. 591 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:06.119 Uh. 592 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.599 The b YU fans can't understand why they would they 593 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.079 would be in that put themselves in that position. So 594 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.240 that to me, that's always added another layer. And even 595 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.359 you know, you know, you know we just mentioned the 596 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.559 house divide. You have a lot of you know, like 597 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.119 the the the Wilson family, you know, Zach and I 598 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.640 and and and is said Wilson you know, their family 599 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.279 grew up big Utah fans and all the time and 600 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.839 and supported them season tickets and all that stuff. And 601 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.440 then and then Zach ends up going to b YU 602 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.640 mainly because the you didn't think he was good enough 603 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:36.400 and didn't. 604 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.960 Really you know, recruit him. And uh. 605 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.359 And then so you have that kind of stuff where 606 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.359 even within the house you have people who are rooting 607 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.000 and had different rooting interests. So that that's what puts 608 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.519 another layer to me. You're talking about the church thing 609 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.680 and and uh and and people having a loyalty split 610 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.039 that way. 611 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.839 Yeah, no, it's well said. It is funny how b 612 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.640 y U fans you And we're generalizing here, So before 613 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:02.759 I get a bunch of dms and emails, everybody to 614 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:03.599 take a few deep breathts. 615 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.599 We're just generalizing. 616 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.480 But there is this faction of the BYU fan base 617 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.119 that simply just views anybody that is LDS and decided 618 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.480 to go apostate Utah with judgment. Then there's this faction 619 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.720 of the Utah fan base that's LDS that looks down 620 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.839 on the BYU fans is pious and holier than now 621 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.359 right and all mine, and it just it ties into 622 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:27.720 this dynamic that makes it so interesting and attending to it. Look, 623 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.599 I'm not going to say it's the only college football 624 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.119 rivalry that's like this, but Jay Hill, Siona Pua, Utah grats, 625 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:41.759 Aaron Roderick Kaloni Setake, former Utah coaches, Kyle Whittingham, former 626 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:46.759 BYU player, Like that doesn't happen very many other college 627 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.839 football rivalries. So it's kind of the way I like 628 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.759 to describe it. It's kind of like this dysfunctional extended 629 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.079 family right where at the end of the day. I 630 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.240 believe when you're not playing against each other, you want 631 00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.319 the other to do well. Now, not fans, right like you. 632 00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:02.680 There are a lot of you fans that want be 633 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.279 why you to lose every game? Right, yeah, to lose 634 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.759 every game. But I think like under the family umbrella 635 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.440 of coaches and players, it feels like over the years 636 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.119 I've mostly witnessed respect all the time, but mostly. 637 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.880 No, I think I think they do, and I think 638 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.519 that's what I has always been the interesting part for me, Spence. 639 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.279 The people who are involved in it, the people who 640 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.480 are in the circle so to speak, they get it, 641 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.319 and they they do it with respect. They understand what 642 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.279 the whole thing is. You know that, that's my opinion. 643 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.920 The people who are outside the circle, who are the 644 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.880 fans looking down from thirty thousand feet or whatever, they're 645 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.480 the ones who get all riled up and everything. I 646 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.599 wish it would just be you know that you could 647 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:46.640 do it in good fun like you do when you're 648 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.359 in a locker room and you're with the guys that 649 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.039 you play with and you you tease each other about 650 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.119 each other's school, the whey they went and where and 651 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.359 how their school is doing, and you do it good naturedly, 652 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.279 and it's always for fun and and and you you 653 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.759 enjoy it, and you enjoy the back and forth and 654 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:10.200 the teasing and kidding. What happens in this rivalry is 655 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.759 that there's too many people who who go the uh, 656 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.799 the negative route, and who go, you know, the attacking route, 657 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:19.799 and you know everything's. 658 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.839 Bad about the other side or whatever it is. 659 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.039 And that's the part that's a little distasteful for me. 660 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.400 I wish people would just like keep it above the 661 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.119 line and have fun with it. And you know, because hey, 662 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.279 guess what, on on Sunday, the game will be over 663 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.720 and on Monday, everybody'll be back to their regular life 664 00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.480 or whatever. And it doesn't really amount to a lot 665 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:48.319 of things other than hopefully a competitive football game between 666 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:54.079 two familiar schools that the fans are ruining for and 667 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.640 can get up for and and have fun with it. 668 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:58.680 So a lot of good points in there. 669 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.160 It felt like the fever pitch and this is just 670 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.319 my little echo chamber here, it felt like the fever 671 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.640 pitch for hate was at an all time high when 672 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.599 Bronco was coaching BYU because Bronco and Kyle like, you 673 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.440 got to call that thing how it is you could 674 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.680 tell that there was no love lost, and you know, 675 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.160 I'm privy to certain things behind the scenes that indicates 676 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:21.519 that they just didn't like each other. 677 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:22.319 And that's all right. 678 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.400 But Bronco was like central casting for why you fans 679 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.000 sometimes don't like BYU. He was pious, he was holier 680 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.880 than now. He quoted scripture during his press conference. You know, 681 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.799 I was down at a BYU event m seeing that 682 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.400 i've or I did my show prior to the event 683 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.359 down to Thanksgiving point, I've done it three years in 684 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.079 a row now, And one of the BYU players told 685 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.200 the story of Bronco coming to his house to recruit 686 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.240 his son. And this BYU player is a current stake 687 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.319 president down South, and he said, Bronco's first question to 688 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.960 his kid is what's your favorite scripture? And the guy's like, 689 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:57.599 what are we doing? You're here to recruit him to 690 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.160 play football? Right, So Bronco was a perfect face for 691 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:06.240 what you fans perceived BYU to be and b YU 692 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.759 fans were mad at Kyle for saying no to his 693 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.480 you know, his alma mater and yes to the rival. 694 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.119 So it seemed that the fever pitch as far as 695 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.640 the hate Goes was at an all time high when 696 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.440 those two were at it because Ronnie Mack and Level 697 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.240 loved each other, Yes, and you could feel it. 698 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:23.440 Urban came over. 699 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.160 He invented Team down South and that's a stolen you know, 700 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.559 and so you know that played into it. Utah was awesome, 701 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.680 but it felt like after Klanie got the job, Kilane, 702 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.200 to me, deserves a lot of the credit for what 703 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.519 I perceived to be a little bit more civility among 704 00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.720 the two fan bases since he took the job. 705 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.720 That's my prism. Yeah, and I would agree with that. 706 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:48.759 You know, kilani. 707 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:52.400 Is is such a first and foremo, such a good person, 708 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.160 centered person. He understands the whole thing from both sides. 709 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.880 He understands what it's all about, you know. And he's 710 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.839 also one of these guys who's not full of himself. 711 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.519 You know, he's he's doing it, you know, for the 712 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.199 right reasons. He's he's coaching his team, he's got him 713 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:17.159 going in a terrific direction trajectory and uh and the 714 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.280 way he carries himself and the way he speaks. You know, 715 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.360 I think you can't help but like him and root 716 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.480 for him because of the way that he that he 717 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.239 goes about his business. You know, Kyle's the same way 718 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.760 Kyle has you know, isn't full of himself. Kyle, Kyle 719 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.039 has for all of his success is uh, you know, 720 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.079 really believes and just coming and and and getting to 721 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.239 work and trying to do your best and respecting your opponent. 722 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.400 And I would hope that this week the fans, as 723 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.639 they're as they're engaging each other in that regard heading 724 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.400 up to the game Saturday night, or you know, would 725 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.960 take the lead from the two coaches and understand, hey, 726 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.360 this this should be about sportsmanship and and having a 727 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.119 good competitive game and you know, and having fun with 728 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.039 and not getting over the line, you know, to the 729 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.199 other stuff that really doesn't really serve anybody any good. 730 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.000 Yeah, there's nothing that's well said. There's nothing not to 731 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.360 like about either Kyle or Koloney. And I can tell 732 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.599 you it's real because you know, we're not best friends, 733 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.360 but I'm able to get to know them enough where 734 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.480 I feel like I have a good read on the 735 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.079 type of people they are. All Right, before we catch 736 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:24.880 break one more thing on this and then we'll do 737 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.239 a little we will talk jazz coming up. I mean, 738 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.119 I don't really know what there is to say, but 739 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.360 we'll try to say some things about the team coming 740 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.559 up in a little bit. So there are two very 741 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.400 different paths with these two teams, as you outlined earlier. 742 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.800 For BYU, and it's interesting with a Big Twelve cast, 743 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.840 we just saw, this is not an elimination game for 744 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.800 Brigham Young, Like I hear a lot of youth fans, well, 745 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:52.599 let's spoil their paths that you can't. Sorry, Like BYU 746 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.119 could still and probably is favored to go to the 747 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:57.480 Big twelve championship game no. 748 00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.039 Matter what happens on Saturday night. 749 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.840 But unefeated season means a lot, you know, if they 750 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.559 can enter maybe the CFP undefeated, maybe they have a 751 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.519 chance to host a home playoff game in provo, Like 752 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.719 there's so many things on the table for them. For Utah, 753 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.280 Smidty and you know, for a lot of these players 754 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.320 that don't know the intensity of this thing because they 755 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.119 haven't experienced it or didn't grow up here Kyle did, 756 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.960 Morgan did, like the coaches know it's at stake. So 757 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.360 for Utah, I guess what's at steak here is maybe 758 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.559 one last chance, Like we're partying like it's nineteen eighty six. Again, 759 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.880 it's like one last chance to endear yourself to a 760 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.280 community that right now is really bummed out about the 761 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.239 way you played. Because if you are great for one 762 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.760 day against BYU, you become a legend around here. 763 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:43.760 That's got to be what's at stake, right I don't 764 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:44.199 know what else. 765 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.119 I mean, there's still the bowl game thing, and I 766 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.280 guess the only thing worse than playing in a throwaway 767 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.119 bowl game is not being eligible for one. 768 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.880 So two very different dichotomies here. 769 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.760 No, that's it's a well the rivalry game and wanted 770 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.679 to have the bragging rights all winter, you know, for 771 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.679 your team is important. It's important for every rivalry game 772 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:08.000 that that that's what that's really what the biggest nugget is. 773 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.360 No matter what the circumstances are from from year to year. 774 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.880 But for Utah, they're coming into the game playing an 775 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:21.119 undefeated top fifteen, ranked, top ten team, whatever BYU is 776 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:25.400 and whatever pole at the moment, and deservedly so they're 777 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.440 playing by an undefeated team. Then next week they have 778 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.519 to go to Colorado who's playing very well, and then 779 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.000 they come home and they have to play Iowa State, 780 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.519 another top top conference team, and then they finish a 781 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.480 season at Central Florida, which you would say, oh, well 782 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.280 that's not good. That might be an important game for 783 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.400 this Bowl eligibility thing. With those games that Utah has 784 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.639 in front of them, you know they've got to get 785 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.880 to six wins to be Bowl eligible. Yeah, okay, some 786 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.360 you know, you just use the phrase or throwaway bowl. 787 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.280 Whether you're going to the the Suncoast Bowl or the 788 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.920 Alamo Bowl or the you know whatever it is in 789 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.679 in UH in Paducaville or wherever it's gonna be, that's 790 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.239 still something for a school that wants to keep its 791 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.920 record intact and it's string intact, and and having something 792 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.920 to play for other than the game in front of 793 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:21.880 in front of you that you have. So so these 794 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.679 are all important games for Utah and then you ratcheted 795 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.719 up for BYU that's that would love to go undefeated 796 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.519 and get to the conference championship game and and see 797 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:33.239 what happens. 798 00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:33.840 Uh. 799 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.920 As far as the CFP type situation, so so it's 800 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.320 big other than the rivalry aspect of it for both teams. 801 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.159 Yes, it is all right, before we catch a break, 802 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:45.840 we'll do a little jazz coming up. I looked at 803 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.199 the schedule this could be zero to twenty or maybe 804 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:52.920 even worse. Kind of a perfect song, right for a 805 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.960 rivalry week. Little we are the World, right, A little 806 00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:58.280 let's be united? 807 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.280 Right, we should all on the chorus. I don't think 808 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.199 we're waving our hands back and forth, weighing side to side. 809 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.199 Oh I can oh. I love to sing. I sing 810 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.199 very badly, just like I love to play golf. But 811 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:13.199 I golf very bad. 812 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:13.920 Fair enough. 813 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.440 Maybe we'll uh, maybe we'll bring back you know what, 814 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.079 Just play that song all week, We are the World. 815 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.760 Okay, everybody, A few deep brasks. Yeah, it's all good. 816 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.960 That's right. Love your brother, love your neighbor. There we go. 817 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.719 I had a very famous spiritual teacher said that once 818 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.400 upon a time it is Indeed, Richard Smith is live 819 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.280 in studio doing a little Utah BYU last segment. All right, 820 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.639 you know we have you in the top to talk jazz. 821 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.280 You spend forty years in the NBA, you spend forty 822 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:47.039 years with the Utah Jazz, and so I guess we will. 823 00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.199 Smitty. I don't know when they're gonna win a game. 824 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.400 I mean, I've got their schedule pulled up like this 825 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.159 is as bad as I think it has been for 826 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.960 a long long time, and certainly I'm for it, as 827 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.480 you know, because I do think, but I do want 828 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.920 like this is really hard, Like what they're doing is 829 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.239 really really hard, isn't it. 830 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.400 Hey, Spence. The whole thing is difficult. It's hard to 831 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:14.440 win in the NBA period. Okay, it's even more difficult 832 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:19.000 to win on a consistent level in the NBA. It's 833 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:23.480 even another tier to try and get near the top 834 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.480 where you're competitive enough where you're one of the five, 835 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.559 six seven teams each year that has a legitimate chance 836 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.840 at actually going deep into the into a playoff run. 837 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.480 But this, as we've talked about before, this is exactly 838 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:44.199 what the Jazz set up to do. Nobody wants to 839 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.159 be bad bad But at the same time, the Jazz 840 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.239 knew what they were doing when they set all this up, 841 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.840 when they traded everybody away, when when the coach left town, 842 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.559 when they changed everything around, and they knew that at 843 00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.480 some point they would have to pay the piper, so 844 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.119 to speak. And you know this start, you know, hey, 845 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.639 think about it. Two years ago, the first year of 846 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.880 the so called rebuild, they get out of the gate 847 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.519 ten and three, and everybody's going whoa, whoa, wait, this 848 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.159 is brilliant, you know whatever, and uh and then you know, 849 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:20.519 it slowly dissipated and uh and went the other way 850 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.920 as the season went on. And then last year they 851 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.679 had that nice run in the middle of the year 852 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.519 after Christmas where they had the best record for like 853 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.599 a one month stretch there in the middle of the season, 854 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.920 and then they they traded away a couple of guys 855 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.239 that trade deadline, and then it fell apart again. 856 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:37.039 Uh. 857 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.199 And now they're they're coming out of the blocks the 858 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.039 way that you have have asked them to do for 859 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:43.079 the last few years. 860 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.559 And so you know, and and. 861 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:48.199 You're exactly right when you look at the schedule, it's 862 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.199 hard to predict where a win is gonna come from 863 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.599 there on the road now, continuing this four game road 864 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.440 trip in Chicago tonight and then Milwaukee and then finishing 865 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.679 San Antonio before they come home and play play Phoenix 866 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.639 and Dallas next week. It is a tough road to hoe. 867 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.239 And but this is what they've set up to do. 868 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:14.039 And you know it's going to be a very difficult 869 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.440 early part of the season. And you're right, it's gonna 870 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.440 be hard to see any light at the end of 871 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.199 the tunnel for anytime soon. 872 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:27.039 And I do not want to diminish the difficult ask 873 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.679 that I know this is okay, I just don't see 874 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.920 another path. And as you know, being in the front 875 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.880 office for as long as you were, paths randomly manifest 876 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.880 themselves out of nowhere, okay. And so obviously you leave 877 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:46.239 space for a billionaire owner who's afraid of the second 878 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.880 apron and wants to shed talent and is looking for 879 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.559 picks and clean books and the. 880 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:52.440 Jazz have all that. 881 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.840 Like, I know that can happen, but the fact of 882 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.039 the matter is you can't rely on that. And so 883 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.719 from my prism and my seat, the only way to 884 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.480 do this is slow and long and hard, and hope 885 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.360 you get a little luck around, you know, just at 886 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.440 some point, hope you get some lottery luck, or hope 887 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.960 Cody's better than we think, or Keyante learns to shoot straight, 888 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.360 or whatever all those variables are. But make no mistake, 889 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.480 this is a tough ask on the fan base. It's 890 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.920 a tough ask on broadcasters to call games, and it's 891 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.719 really tough on young players who up to this point 892 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.360 have always been the best at what they do where 893 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.599 they've been and most of them have probably won high 894 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.679 school state championships, played high level aau, did something in 895 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.039 college with great success, and now they're getting their heads 896 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:44.840 kicked in every night. 897 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:46.920 What's the danger in that? 898 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.159 Yeah, well, there are a lot of factors there, But 899 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.400 you also have to throw in how it affects the 900 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.239 coaching staff for sure. For sure and the young coach 901 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.679 that the Jazz have and Will Hardy, who by all 902 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.920 accounts is very very studious, a very hard working guy. 903 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:11.400 You know, he's trying to formulate a forge I should say, 904 00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.599 a career early in his coaching career by being a 905 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.519 head coach in his mid thirties. And he's got a 906 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.599 team that's that's in this situation, and that's tough on him. 907 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.880 He's got to be questioning himself night in, night out 908 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.599 about you know, the things he's doing. Is he doing 909 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.119 the right stuff? Is he handling it the right way? 910 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:31.800 Uh? 911 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.960 Is he balancing minutes? Is he is he doing what 912 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.000 the front office wants him to do? And in playing 913 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.159 guys in certain positions to to help in their their 914 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:46.599 development and and uh projection as NBA players. I mean, 915 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.039 there's so many levels to it. Uh, And and yet 916 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.599 the losing permeates the locker room bigger than anything, and 917 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.840 and the more the bigger the hole you dig early 918 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.320 in the year, the tougher it becomes because as you 919 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.719 realize as a group, as you as the as the 920 00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.440 year evolves, as it goes on, you become more and 921 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.639 more a cognizant and accepting of the of the notion 922 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:16.320 that we're not going anywhere with this group at this time. 923 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:17.400 We are. 924 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.760 We have a game tomorrow night, we have a game 925 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.239 on Thursday, we have two games on the you know 926 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.960 whatever it is, and you're looking at it. When you 927 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.960 have a losing record and you're at the bottom looking 928 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.960 up and you realize we're not going anyway now, it 929 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.840 takes it to another level where the players have to 930 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.679 have that that that mental stamina to want to be 931 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.360 able to keep coming every day to practice, to try 932 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.880 and get better, to try and show how they can 933 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:48.400 contribute to a winning effort. The coaching staff is trying 934 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.880 to figure out, you know, how do we keep everybody 935 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:55.079 engaged night in and night out, you know, without losing 936 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:59.480 guys along the way. From a mental perspective, a buy 937 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.400 in person, that is the difficult part, and especially in 938 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.800 an eighty two game NBA season that when you dig 939 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.880 a hole early, it is so hard to get out 940 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.320 of and it is so much effort just to try 941 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.639 and bring the group along with you, you know, on 942 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.239 the journey that that you're you're in the middle of 943 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:22.119 it is. 944 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:23.679 It is a tough ask. 945 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.079 And when you're younger and you don't have the experience, 946 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.559 it's even more so because those kind of things can 947 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.760 really get embedded in you in terms of how your 948 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.159 career is going to evolve as well. 949 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.119 So let's dig into you know, I always enjoy listening 950 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.519 to coaches, right, so, so why I still love listening 951 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.920 to Hube Brown if he's on a call of a game. 952 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.119 I thought Jeff was the best. 953 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.360 It's so crazy to me that ESPN claim that they 954 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.119 didn't want to bring him back because they heard he 955 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.280 wanted to get back into coaching. Then they hired Doc 956 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.039 who him like three weeks later, then they hired Reddick, 957 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.599 who's coaching the Lakers. So like Doug Collins on the 958 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.880 broadcast or Steve Kerr, you know, like whenever I can 959 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:10.719 listen to a coach, I like to listen to coaches, 960 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.760 and will has been really interesting to listen to after games, 961 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.960 because he doesn't say that as the kids would say 962 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.559 the quiet part out loud per se. But he is 963 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:24.280 speaking now in a different way that he's spoken over 964 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.679 the past couple of years, saying things like, well, eventually 965 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.719 we need to get to where we want to be, 966 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.519 and if we're ever going to get there, we can't 967 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.199 lean on excuses for now, like he is speaking in 968 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.400 a future tense way after games that he hasn't prior to, 969 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.480 but ultimately knowing coaches, and you got to know the 970 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.519 best that we had to the two best that we 971 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.280 had here in Frank and Jerry. If you got Will 972 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.760 in an honest moment, what do you think he'd say? 973 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.360 This has to be eating him alive. They don't have 974 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.280 a prayer, they don't have a chance. He doesn't have 975 00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.360 the tools. He does not have the players will hundred 976 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.519 and look, they picked up his fifth year option, okay, 977 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.480 meaning it's two years of options that are picked up. 978 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.159 This is your three. He's safe next year, he's safe 979 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:08.760 the year after. 980 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.880 But if this thing doesn't get turned around, he's gonna 981 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:13.760 have a resume with a lot of losses on it. 982 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.000 And coaches don't love that. That's right, And and that's 983 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.119 the hard part for him and his career. He's trying 984 00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.280 to build a career. He's trying to show, you know, 985 00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:26.280 the rest of the league and the basketball world you 986 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.599 know that hey, I know what I'm doing, and you 987 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.719 know I can learn if I go along, and I 988 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:34.920 can get better, and I know how to manage players, 989 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:36.960 and I know how to you know, deal with in 990 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.559 game strategies and all those kinds of things that go 991 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.599 into coaching, uh, being a head coach. But when you 992 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:48.920 have a group like this and a group that's struggling 993 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.119 and you can tell this's going to be a long road, 994 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.000 that that weighs on you mentally. And that's the biggest 995 00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.480 thing is trying to keep your perspective. He's not coming 996 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.119 from a background where, uh say, I don't know who 997 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.800 who maybe maybe JB. Bickerstack, who's the coach in Detroit. 998 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.679 Now they have a they have a team that's similar 999 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:14.559 to the Jazz, a young team that that's gonna struggle 1000 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:16.599 for a while that they're trying to build up. 1001 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:18.559 But JB has has. 1002 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.079 A track record in the past, especially the last job 1003 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.960 he had in Cleveland where he did very well and 1004 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:28.679 and and you can see he's got that that the experience, 1005 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.159 he's got those games under his belt as a head 1006 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.000 coach for several years in the league. The people know, Okay, 1007 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.119 he knows what he's doing. He's just got to get 1008 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.920 some players and got to massage some stuff and move 1009 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.639 some pieces around, and eventually we're gonna be on that 1010 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:47.400 that track. Will Hardy doesn't have that luxury at the 1011 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.519 current moment because this is his first head coaching job. 1012 00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:55.119 So he's coming in and he's uh. First year, they struggle, 1013 00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.079 second year, they struggle, third year, they're just beginning. But 1014 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.440 but they're out of the gate stumbling to begin with. 1015 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.400 He's wondering how people are looking at him and how 1016 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:11.039 how he's being affected in terms of his career, because 1017 00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.360 I'll tell you, there are a lot of guys who 1018 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.440 got their their one shot at being a head coach 1019 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.920 and it didn't work well. People respected them, they thought 1020 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.800 they were very good at what they did. They liked 1021 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.480 their work ethic, they liked their temperament, they liked their 1022 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:32.960 approach to the job. Didn't have success mainly because you 1023 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.679 didn't have players, and they lasted three years or four 1024 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:41.039 years with their teams. They got to let go and 1025 00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.639 then you never see him again as a head coach. 1026 00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:48.519 They recycle back into the thing as assistant coaches, and 1027 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.880 because they're they're well respected within the circles of the 1028 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:57.840 coaching fraternity and by by teams and organizations around around 1029 00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:58.360 the league. 1030 00:50:58.800 --> 00:50:58.920 Uh. 1031 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.239 But sometimes they don't get another shot because of that, 1032 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.400 because they don't have anything on their resume to show, hey, 1033 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.519 I've proven that I can do this right. So Will 1034 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.559 Hardy is in that tough position because, yeah, he's got 1035 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.760 a couple more years to ride with this group. At 1036 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.599 least you hope he gets more than that because he 1037 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.719 looks like he's the right guy, and you just hope 1038 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.880 he can hold on in terms of his approach, in 1039 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.800 terms of what he's dealing with as a head coach, 1040 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.000 night in, the night out, not winning, not winning, not winning, 1041 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.599 and that it doesn't beat him down because to turn 1042 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:41.159 this around, your right spence the draft, if you get 1043 00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:45.199 a free agent, okay, if you make a trade, okay. 1044 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.199 Those are the three ways that you can improve your team. 1045 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.039 Those are the things you can control to some extent. 1046 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.199 But there's another component we always talk about that is 1047 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.840 beyond your control that you don't you have no say 1048 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:03.360 and what's gonna happen. But something might present itself, as 1049 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.920 you mentioned a minute ago, and you have to be 1050 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.360 prepared to react to that, whether it's again another team 1051 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.000 trying to unload a big time player or trying to 1052 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:16.559 unload a salary or something something. But you don't know 1053 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.000 if that's gonna happen this year before the trade deadline. 1054 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.400 You don't know if it's gonna happen next year. You 1055 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.800 don't know if it's gonna happen anytime in the next 1056 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.239 five years, because those are things that are beyond your control. 1057 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:32.239 So you don't know if Golden State's gonna hang it 1058 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.519 up and want to move some guys at some point, 1059 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:40.079 if the Clippers get frustrated and want to move some guys, 1060 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.679 or you know, whoever it is. And those are the 1061 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.400 things that are hard for fans to accept because they 1062 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.599 assume that you as an organization, as an ownership, have 1063 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.599 control of everything. You just have to push the right 1064 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.320 buttons and make the right moves. But there is an 1065 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.760 element out there that are things that are not within 1066 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.800 your control that you have to be able to UH 1067 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.719 to react to and be able to UH to make 1068 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.880 decisions on if and when they become available. And that's 1069 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.000 that's the big gray area that's always hanging over you 1070 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.559 that you never know if and when that's gonna happen. Okay, 1071 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.960 So yeah, and I like, you know, you know Spence 1072 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.920 right there that that was a perfect no, that was 1073 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:26.440 a perfect take because that that that frustrated exhales. 1074 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.400 It is exactly what it is. That's that's what they're 1075 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:29.960 going through. 1076 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:30.400 You know. 1077 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.360 It's it's tough. Uh, it's not pretty. Nobody likes it. 1078 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:40.199 The room is always heavy, okay, whether it's practice, whether 1079 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:42.920 it's on the team bus, uh, whether it's on a 1080 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.760 road trip like they're on now, because you're trying to 1081 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.039 find some ray of light that that tells you, hey, 1082 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.559 where we can turn this around. We can get better. 1083 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.119 We need to group together three or four or five 1084 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.000 games where we feel like, you know, we're clicking, we're 1085 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.519 doing something moment. And it's early, okay, it's only six 1086 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:09.559 games in okay, but the early returns, like the elections, 1087 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.159 are not probably what it's going to be. But if 1088 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.679 you want to hang your hat on something, you're looking 1089 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:19.880 at seeing the Jazz are still a very bad defensive team. 1090 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.719 They're a team that so far can't shoot the ball. Okay. 1091 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.119 They're also a team that doesn't seem to be really 1092 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.840 well connected, you know, with each other when they're on 1093 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.599 the floor. They don't have any kind of identity. So 1094 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.000 when you're dealing with all of those things at the 1095 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:41.280 same time, that that is a tough gap. Because sometimes 1096 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.840 you might have one of those and you can concentrate 1097 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.320 on that area and try and shore it up somehow. 1098 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.400 But when you get all of those happening simultaneously and 1099 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:52.800 you're trying to juggle all those balls in the air 1100 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.880 at the same time, it is tough to do and 1101 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:57.480 it's tough to manage. 1102 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.440 So since you brought up the election, is it possible 1103 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.079 just to say the final score is incorrect and we 1104 00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:07.039 won and just claim the win. I mean, yeah, well, 1105 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:09.239 well apparently I don't know what the other option is. 1106 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.280 Well, apparently you can because apparently no matter what the 1107 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.280 scoreboard says, you said, well they're they're wrong, you know, like, 1108 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:16.360 that's that's not right. 1109 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.239 We won, we won the game. Let's just do it. Yeah, 1110 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:20.320 So I don't know what's going. 1111 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:21.960 On there, So let's dig into the six and oh, 1112 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:27.079 Utah Jazz all right, So six, Hey, I wasn't there. 1113 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.320 I didn't see the score. You know, don't come at me. 1114 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.119 So I'm gonna draw a parallel here because the fact 1115 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.599 of the matter is, and you're one of the reasons 1116 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:41.760 we are spoiled as jazz fans. We've never won a championship, 1117 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.159 but we've rarely had bad teams, and when we did, 1118 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.639 it didn't last long because the front office iterations you 1119 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.760 were a part of, always made good moves to get 1120 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.159 us back to competitiveness pretty quick. The last time it 1121 00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:56.280 was this bad was probably Tie's final year, right, And 1122 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.519 as you were described, being a coach who gets an 1123 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.519 opportunity and the roster isn't great or whatever, and it 1124 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:05.280 goes sideways and that coach never gets another opportunity. Tyrone 1125 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.559 Corbin's name popped into my head. And obviously, you know 1126 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:10.440 Scotty hired him in New York. You've known him forever. 1127 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.599 He's the sweetest guy in the world. And Dennis didn't 1128 00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.320 like when I said that when I would use this 1129 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.000 line on air, because he heard me say it, I 1130 00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.119 was of the opinion the Dennis Lindsay's first day on. 1131 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.800 The job was Tyrone Corbin's last. I just didn't think 1132 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.039 he was going to rehire him. 1133 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:28.639 And so you know, obviously players like al who played 1134 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.920 well here Paul Millsap, who is still a jazz legend, 1135 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.119 moved off some vets in the name of seeing what 1136 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.239 you had with youngsters. But that roster is much better 1137 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:41.119 than the roster that we're dealing with here. That's why 1138 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.360 it's a loose parallel. So the rookies were Trey Burke 1139 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.719 and Gobert. Alec was in his second year, Hayward was 1140 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.840 in his third, Favors was in his third. 1141 00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.039 At players like Jeremy Evans. 1142 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.960 You know, then you bring in vets like Richard Jefferson 1143 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.480 and Andre Spidron's just to pay somebody to play for 1144 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.440 you and ultimately you want twenty five that year. But 1145 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.960 that year was about bringing Marvin Williams, who obviously was 1146 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.599 a pro while he was here. But that year, Smittye 1147 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.280 was about, right, like what do we have in Gordon? 1148 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:13.079 Is this rudy thing real? And as Canter was on 1149 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.519 the team, So you had five or six young players 1150 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.719 like they have now that you were trying to do 1151 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.519 your calculus like can they be part of this moving 1152 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:23.920 forward when we're back to competitiveness, Will they be on 1153 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:28.800 the roster. Gordon was obviously fave was as well. The 1154 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.400 Canter stuff got weird, Rudy was ready to play. You 1155 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.760 guys move on from Enis. We know the history, but 1156 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.039 there's some similarities right between thirteen and fourteen and twenty 1157 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:38.679 four Yeah. 1158 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:42.760 Sure, yeah, and you're right, that's that's what was happening 1159 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.400 at that time. You know, the Golden State thing by 1160 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:48.400 the way, you know, you mentioned Richard Jefferson on just Midrinch, 1161 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.320 the Rush kid, Brandon. 1162 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:53.840 Russian than Russia was part of that. 1163 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.000 But that was you know, when you look, if you 1164 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.800 looked at it, you would see that that was probably 1165 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:05.239 in NBA Annals, the most lopsided trade ever made in 1166 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:09.239 NBA history because the Jazz got those guys who were 1167 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.280 all on expiring contracts. That's the reason that that the 1168 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.760 Jazz took them in at that time. Uh, they were 1169 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.960 gonna they were gonna have that money available the next year. 1170 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:23.079 They took that with several draft picks with it to 1171 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:24.039 trade for. 1172 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.119 Uh, the the the Murray kid. 1173 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.840 Kevin Kevin Murphy, sorry, Kevin Murphy, who we had we 1174 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.239 had drafted the second round the year before. All those 1175 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:35.920 guys came in and all the Jazz sent out to 1176 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.800 Golden State was Kevin Murphy who was then cut. And 1177 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.320 the whole thing for Golden State was opening up all 1178 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.920 this space for money so that they could uh uh, 1179 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.239 they could go get Andrea Iguodala. See now, at the time, 1180 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.320 we thought they were opening up the space to go 1181 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.119 get uh, Dwight. 1182 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:55.840 How quick? 1183 00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.119 Did Dwight Howard? Was it Dwight Howard was a free 1184 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.119 agency the Lakers. Yeah, yeah, okay, I didn't know that 1185 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:03.199 that's interesting. 1186 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:04.039 But it was, but it was. 1187 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.360 But it ended up being Andrea Gudala was the guy 1188 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.079 they were trying to target and get after to put 1189 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.639 together with Curry and Thompson and Green and uh. And 1190 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.599 then they took off the whey they did, right, So 1191 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:15.920 that's what they were trying to do. 1192 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:17.119 So the Jazz. 1193 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:19.679 See, so when you're when you're in that position like 1194 00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.199 the Jazz were at that time, you make a move, 1195 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.760 you don't give up anything. You're giving up a second 1196 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.599 round guy who maybe wasn't even gonna be on our 1197 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:31.840 team the following year, and and you got you got 1198 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.800 players who are on expiring contracts, you got draft picks, 1199 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.239 and you also got money. You got three million dollars 1200 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.960 thrown in the deal from Golden State and and all 1201 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:41.760 of that stuff. 1202 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:43.679 You know, it was part of. 1203 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:47.199 Dennis Lindsay's grand plan to try and open up space 1204 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.880 and try and move some pieces around and hope that 1205 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:52.599 at some point, you know, you can you can jump 1206 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.000 on something that that's gonna help your team, you know, 1207 00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.880 to get forward. Now, what happens in the meantime, Rudy 1208 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:03.920 Gobert shows up? Okay, third year, fourth year, Okay, that's 1209 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.079 what the Jazz now are hoping happens with one of 1210 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.760 the guys they have on the roster, right, Who is that? 1211 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.840 Who knows who that is? Right? 1212 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.840 The Jazz also use one of the draft picks or 1213 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:18.440 the draft pic they end up getting from Denver in 1214 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.519 the trade on draft night we've talked about before they 1215 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.440 got them, Donovan Mitchell. And Donovan Mitchell shows up much quicker, 1216 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.440 much better, much more impactful than we thought he would 1217 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:34.760 be right out of the gate. So we were smart, 1218 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.920 we were good, We were lucky, whatever label you want 1219 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.519 to put on, it's more luck than anything else. Yes, 1220 01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.719 And so you have all that stuff going on, and 1221 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.920 that's what the current Jazz are hoping to do. They're 1222 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:53.199 hoping that somewhere along the line, somebody clicks, you get 1223 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:56.239 an opportunity like that that falls into your lap that 1224 01:00:56.320 --> 01:01:00.840 you can take advantage of and then uh, and then 1225 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.079 you keep putting the parts together. The guys they have 1226 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.960 right now, in my opinion, it looks like they're having 1227 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.639 trouble connecting with each other, and it looks like they're 1228 01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:14.920 having trouble just playing with each other. So it doesn't 1229 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.880 look to me like it's a very good mix of guys. 1230 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.360 You know, maybe you have some talent, but I'm not 1231 01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.079 sure how well they're playing together. A lot of it 1232 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.360 also is that a lot of them are in experience 1233 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.360 and they're and they're stumbling over themselves trying to find 1234 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.760 their footing. That takes time, and that takes a lot 1235 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.440 of mistakes that you have to be willing to live through. 1236 01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.079 So that's that's the part that the current jazz are 1237 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.239 dealing with at this moment. And it's not going to 1238 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.599 get any easier here in the in the next in 1239 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:49.159 the coming months. It's it's it's gonna be a difficult 1240 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:50.320 road for them to hope. 1241 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:51.760 Yeah, it's hard. It is. 1242 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.880 And even though I agree with it and think for 1243 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.679 the first time since you know, Dennis took off and 1244 01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.440 Quinn and everybody took off and they traded everybody. It 1245 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.960 feels like they're finally doing the thing. I still do 1246 01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.280 not diminish out what a tough ask this is on 1247 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.119 everybody involved. All right, somebody, before we set you lose, 1248 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.199 do you dare give me a Utah b y U 1249 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:12.400 final score position? 1250 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:16.360 Do you dare? Now? You know, you know how I 1251 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.239 know how I sit on those things, and I'll tell 1252 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:20.679 you this. You know what I do think. 1253 01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.199 I just think that when I look at it, the 1254 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.199 roles are reverse from what you thought they were going 1255 01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:29.159 to be before the season started. Right by U is 1256 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.880 the undefeated team, the Utah is the team that's muddling 1257 01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:35.559 around at four and four. It's a perfect scenario for 1258 01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.480 both teams to all of a sudden do something they 1259 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.159 haven't done this year. In other words, for Utah to 1260 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:47.760 put something together where they have a consistent game offensively 1261 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:51.519 all game long. For b YU has had some games 1262 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.559 where you know, they were treading along and it was 1263 01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.000 you know, maybe we've gotta have something happen, and then 1264 01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.679 something good did happen, and that's what happens when you 1265 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:03.639 have a special season, the plays break your way when 1266 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:06.920 you need them to break your way. And so is 1267 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.599 that going to continue to happen for b YU or 1268 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.639 is this going to be the game where they they 1269 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.039 finally stumble uh and lose a game. I'm not sure 1270 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.440 losing a game for them, you know, in the grand 1271 01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:20.559 scheme of things, would be the worst thing for them, 1272 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.360 because maybe it helps them to refocus, you know, on 1273 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.480 the on the last month of this conference season. And 1274 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:31.079 to your point, I think they're still in the driver's seat, 1275 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.960 you know, with other things that happened to get to 1276 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.920 the conference championship game, which is all that matters, because 1277 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.159 once you get there, as Utah you know showed the 1278 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.840 last few years with Rose Bowl games, conference games getting 1279 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.000 to Rose Bowl. You know, once you get into that 1280 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:50.679 championship game, you know, anything can happen, like DEVI for 1281 01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.119 the for the you again talking about things breaking your 1282 01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.159 way when they played USC in the conference championship game 1283 01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:59.079 a few years ago, and and uh and Caleb Williams 1284 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.480 gets hurt in the quarter and he's stumbling around the 1285 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.320 rest of the game, and then you takes advantage of 1286 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:06.800 it and next thing you know, you wake up next 1287 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.159 day and they're going to the Rose Bowl, So so 1288 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:11.159 it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be. I hope 1289 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:13.960 it's a fun game. I hope it's exciting. And I 1290 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.119 hope those of you are who are brave enough to 1291 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.039 go sit in the twenty eighth degree weather or whatever 1292 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:22.559 on Saturday night at eleven thirty in the fourth quarter 1293 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:25.679 are more stout than I am because some of us 1294 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.239 have gotten old and we've gotten soft. 1295 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.000 Well, Smitty, I don't blame you at all. Always a 1296 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:32.760 pleasure to see my friend. We'll see us soon. Okay, 1297 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.599 thanks man, all right, we got Kilani Kilanie Satake hopping 1298 01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:42.199 on the show today. Always enjoy my conversations with coach Kilane. 1299 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.480 He's gonna hop on probably around four o'clock. We're a 1300 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.599 little fluid with that situation, so we'll bring that to 1301 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:49.880 you coming up in just a little bit. 1302 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:52.480 Josh Furlong covers Utah for Ks. 1303 01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:55.880 That will stop by of course, Rivalry Week, By the way, 1304 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:56.480 how are. 1305 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.519 You on your annunciation? 1306 01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.400 And I want to be I'm not judging anyone here 1307 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.480 because over the years I've daffy ducked Rivalry Week like 1308 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.480 a million times watching the local broadcast last night, getting 1309 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:10.199 ready for the week, seeing how they're covering it. 1310 01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.920 I heard four or five why will we weeks? They happen? 1311 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.000 Have you ever got got on this before? I don't 1312 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.159 know about the the rivalry week one? Why will we week? 1313 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:24.960 Yeah, it's your daffy duck it and we all do it. 1314 01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:26.159 We've all done it at some point. 1315 01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.239 I mean I grew up to be clear with like 1316 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:30.280 a pretty gnarly lisp. 1317 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:31.800 Oh, I didn't know that. 1318 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.559 You can hear it make its way out every once 1319 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:36.679 in a while if you pay attention, you probably will now. 1320 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.840 But I don't know. 1321 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.639 About the the rs or the double up there. 1322 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:44.400 I think I'll be good with Rivalry Week. 1323 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.320 So that's of course going to be a lot of 1324 01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.039 our coverage throughout the course of the week. We have 1325 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:49.920 some fun remotes. We'll tell you about a lot of 1326 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.320 good guests on the show to get you ready for 1327 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.360 the big game coming up on Saturday. Utah is a 1328 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.119 four point underdog as of now by us your favorite, 1329 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:00.719 but as we do every single Monday during the college 1330 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:03.440 football season. If you missed it from earlier, here is 1331 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:04.800 the head ball coach for the Utes. 1332 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:05.280 Coach. 1333 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:11.519 Wait, okay, Rivalry week. I guess we haven't said that 1334 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:15.440 for a little over three years, and so season is 1335 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.559 flown by in a way, in a way it's taken forever. 1336 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:25.760 But anyways, it's time for the N State rivalry. You know, 1337 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:29.360 our guys were both in by weeks, both schools in 1338 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:34.800 bye weeks, and so certainly seasons have gone completely different directions. 1339 01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:37.960 And then what was anticipated at the onset, I guess 1340 01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:42.480 that shows that those preseason rankings and thoughts really don't 1341 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.119 mean a whole lot, and you get to go out 1342 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.559 and play the games, and things happened during the course 1343 01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:52.880 of the season to alter the paths of teams, and 1344 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:56.679 so that's what happened this year. But our guys are 1345 01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:00.920 really excited about the game. Obviously, good to get back 1346 01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:02.800 back home to Rice cycles. 1347 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:03.519 Uh. 1348 01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:07.760 Uh had a really good productive by week last week 1349 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.920 and and we'll resume practice today. They've had uh three 1350 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.440 days off, UH Friday, Saturday, Sunday off and so exious 1351 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.800 to get back on the field today and resume preparations 1352 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.320 and uh get ready for them, get ready for the 1353 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.960 game on Saturday. So questions cool, okay, justin go ahead. 1354 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:25.840 Hm, okay, where is your identity? 1355 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:30.280 Young young, fortality and attention to details to stay age, and. 1356 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:32.079 It seems that you've lost that last month. 1357 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:33.360 To how do you address this issues? 1358 01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:35.920 Really, wife, I would agree we're not as physical this 1359 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:38.440 year as we typically have been. Uh, and you really 1360 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.639 gauge that at least we gauge it by uh how 1361 01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:43.360 you run the ball and how you defend the running man. 1362 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.719 We haven't been as good at that this year. Uh 1363 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.280 just uh, you know, tough to s pinpoint one exact 1364 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:56.000 reason for that, but uh, yeah, we haven't h haven't 1365 01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.119 been uh our usual selves in that regard, and uh 1366 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.159 that has been our identity as well. And so they 1367 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:04.440 go hand at hand and uh, you know, the ability 1368 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:06.519 to run the ball and plats and pass off of that, 1369 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.079 that's been our formula for success for a lot of years. 1370 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:11.719 And the the ability on defense to turn teams one 1371 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.320 dimensional by taking away the run and and forcing them 1372 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.720 to throw as has uh not surface this year either. 1373 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.760 So that's uh certainly been U big part of our 1374 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:26.880 issue this year. Issue issues. 1375 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.439 You had talked about last week Brandon and and uh 1376 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:31.199 Isaac was studying. 1377 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:32.800 Have you made it a termination? 1378 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.720 Yeah, We've got a good plan uh right now. And 1379 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.039 and Uh, well, keep it to ourselves obviously, but we 1380 01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:42.239 have a plan going forward and uh, you know, I 1381 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.199 guess nothing's ever set in stone, but we we feel 1382 01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.640 like we're we've got a uh uh a situation that 1383 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.079 uh is best for us and gets us the best 1384 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:51.600 chance to win. 1385 01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.359 When you put in Brandon the last game, you said 1386 01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:58.840 that you were looking for a spark I was ordering. 1387 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.119 Was it something that he showed you that led to, hey, 1388 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:05.119 let's give him a shot? 1389 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.520 Any practice as opposed to well the other is that 1390 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:09.920 working with the other lots the list. 1391 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:13.920 Straight little both little Both we weren't very productive offensively. Uh, 1392 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.119 I haven't been productively m much of this season since 1393 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:19.880 the first uh couple games, But uh it was a 1394 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:22.479 little of both. And uh I just thought that Brandon 1395 01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:25.840 had been practicing extremely well as the number two guy, 1396 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.479 and just thought, given the circumstances, uh, it made sense 1397 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.720 to uh give him a chance and and see what 1398 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:36.159 he could do. So both uh, both things are correct, Kyle. 1399 01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.279 Was this the first time in a while that Utah 1400 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.600 has been the underdog heading into the Buau Utah matchup? 1401 01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.439 How was it different in terms of preparation, how the 1402 01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:47.920 players do the game, how you viewed the game, and 1403 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.640 you know, is it different having that you're going shoulder 1404 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:51.279 heading into. 1405 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:54.199 The game to speak, Well, typically historically we've been uh 1406 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.720 pretty good in that situation, you know, with a with 1407 01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:01.000 a chip on our shoulder. As you said, uh, mentality, 1408 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.560 I'm not sure, you know, the point spread doesn't really 1409 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.000 affect affect our thinking or how we go about our 1410 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.479 business or anything like that, other than uh, you know, 1411 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:16.680 maybe feeling like uh, you know we uh you know, 1412 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.640 just uh I that's unusual force you right, it's unusual, 1413 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.479 and so it's it's something that uh hasn't had occurred 1414 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:25.239 for quite a while. But uh, that's not our driving 1415 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:26.920 force or driving motivating factor. 1416 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.000 Brandon Rose has been here for a few years. How 1417 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.920 have you seen his development uh over his time as utell? 1418 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:35.760 He said, well, and he was really new well last year. 1419 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:36.079 Uh. 1420 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:38.239 In addition, but had that injury that knocked him out 1421 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:41.000 for six or eight weeks which really set him back, 1422 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:45.960 and then uh didn't uh get much uh any of 1423 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.279 anything going last year because of that. Uh spring ball. 1424 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.239 UH had some reps. Isaac uh got a bunch of 1425 01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:56.039 the reps as well. But but Brandon has made steady 1426 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.079 and continual progress since he's been in the program. UH 1427 01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:01.119 is playing his big us football right now is a 1428 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.239 ut Listen. Practice, there's not a big body of work 1429 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:06.239 to to gauge it off in game, but uh in 1430 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:09.239 a game situation. But he's done a nice job in practice, 1431 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:13.199 and and UH continues to uh get better. But that's 1432 01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:15.439 you know, that's why you coach him, is to hopefully 1433 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:16.079 make him better. 1434 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.680 Feel he's obviously proved quite a bit of year to year. 1435 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:22.840 Who what is the strength. 1436 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:23.520 Of that offense? 1437 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.520 You know, I'd say the QB is the catalyst. 1438 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:26.840 Uh. 1439 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:31.079 You look at UH, individual rushers, individual receivers. There's nobody 1440 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.319 that just jumps out statistically. It It's a collaborative effort. 1441 01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:38.039 But the uh, the quarterback is the catalyst in my opinion, 1442 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.039 And and playing good football. He's uh amongst the league 1443 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:45.680 leaders in pass efficiency. He and he's made some uh 1444 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.319 just a bunch of really timely runs during the course 1445 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.439 of the season, runs that that have made you know, 1446 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.840 big difference, UH maker type of runs. And so I 1447 01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:58.199 would say that is, without a doubt, UH the guy 1448 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.520 that makes it all go. But again, they got he's 1449 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.079 got a good supporting cast. But but again nobody is 1450 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:05.520 just jumping out UH on the stat line. I don't 1451 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:07.560 know if they have a top ten receiver or a 1452 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:11.039 top ten running back, but you don't need to, you know, 1453 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.199 you don't have to do that to be successful. And 1454 01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:17.520 then UH as a team, very opportunistic football team. They're 1455 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:21.920 playing good complimentary UH defense offense UH to each other. 1456 01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:24.439 Defense is taking the ball away like crazy. Offense is 1457 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:26.920 protecting the ball. They're number two in the country and 1458 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.000 or not in the country in the conference the internover margins. 1459 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.319 So they're doing a really good job playing off each 1460 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:33.800 other offensively and defensively. 1461 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.760 Now ago kin they going off the question Justin asked 1462 01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.920 about identity. Is it harder in this NIL era to. 1463 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:41.880 Kind of stick to your identity knowing that you're kind 1464 01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.560 of have to appease guys or how do you how what's. 1465 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:47.279 Your approach on that much harder? And it's uh. I 1466 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.159 think there's a lot of teams across the country that 1467 01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:52.680 are that are feeling and going through similar situations. When 1468 01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:55.840 you uh, you know, four or five six years ago, 1469 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:58.359 before the advent of the portal, whenever that was, you 1470 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:00.960 might replace twenty five guys out of one hundred and 1471 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.199 twenty five on your team. Now you're replacing forty five 1472 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:08.000 plus and the culture I don't know deluded the right word, 1473 01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:10.800 but I it's you know, before you had a hundred 1474 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.239 guys teaching twenty five guys how we do our thing, 1475 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.159 and now it's almost a fifty to fifty split the 1476 01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.439 new guys as opposed to the the guys that have 1477 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:20.399 been in the program. But it's not unique to us. 1478 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:22.920 It's it's across the country. And I think that's why 1479 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:27.920 you're seeing a lot of uh different results, uh throughout 1480 01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:30.600 the country, because uh it has had an effect and 1481 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.279 will continue to have an effect, and and whoever handles 1482 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.560 it best and whoever it's almost coming down to a 1483 01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.159 sheer talent thing that uh, you know, sheer talent is 1484 01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:40.359 I mean, who who's one in the country Oregon, Who's 1485 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:44.079 number one in the country in nil budget Oregon? Uh, 1486 01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:47.039 who's number two and three? Probably Georgia and Ohio. I mean, 1487 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:48.720 it's just it's starting to fall right in line. If 1488 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:50.439 you remember I'd said this a couple of years ago 1489 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.680 that uh, things are gonna start mirroring very soon. You know, 1490 01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:57.720 in the top twenty five, the the nil budgets and 1491 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:01.239 and uh, to a certain extent that's happening kind of. 1492 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.000 In in the vein of the portal and just how 1493 01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:07.359 you build your program. Obviously it's you've not had a 1494 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:10.000 lot of turn over comparison to other programs in terms 1495 01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:12.560 of the foundational pieces that you've had. 1496 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:14.760 Well, we did have forty five new guys this year 1497 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:18.079 for yeah, the rosters. It's during your half given. 1498 01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:19.760 Uh, I guess the impacts of that. 1499 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:22.920 You know, has it changed, I I guess the way 1500 01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:26.159 you see your co coaching philosophy and and the way 1501 01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.239 this year has gone as it changed the way that 1502 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.560 you might approach it in in the futures. 1503 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.279 H, I think for certain. And uh, you know you 1504 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:34.600 got guys that uh come to the program and are 1505 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.199 here for a year or two and uh either leave 1506 01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.560 or you've got grad transfers that only had a year 1507 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.520 or two left. And so there's just it's it's constantly 1508 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.920 in flux. And uh, I don't wanna say it's like 1509 01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:49.880 you're hiring mercenaries every year, but you it's a it's 1510 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:52.920 a situation where again you gotta collect as much talent 1511 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:55.199 as quickly as you can and then hope it gels 1512 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:57.399 and comes together and you get results, and it's it 1513 01:14:57.479 --> 01:14:59.399 is a different approach and different strategy than when you 1514 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:03.079 had guys just uh marinate in your program for four 1515 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.439 and five six years and it it is different. But 1516 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:08.520 again they're you know, not making excuses or complaining, cause 1517 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.279 the entire country is going through the same thing. I 1518 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.199 just feel that maybe our culture and our uh the 1519 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.000 way we did things gave us an edge back, you 1520 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.680 know when when that could be possible to have happened. 1521 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:27.199 This arborous series became dominant when you guys went to 1522 01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:29.199 the Act twelve and they went in and then. 1523 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.680 Before that, I think you go back like the last 1524 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:34.760 twenty years. I believe the youths had like eleven to 1525 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.600 nine advantage, right, and then there was a sepuation. 1526 01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:38.840 I think it's m I think it's more than that 1527 01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.520 over twenty oh twenty years before what yeah, so thirty 1528 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:44.279 years ago and yeah, yeah, okay, yeah right, yeah. I 1529 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.159 mean it's it's been cyclical in a way. 1530 01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:49.239 But I'm I'm wondering now that you're back in the 1531 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:51.880 same conference at least for the time being, would it 1532 01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.159 surprise you if it got more even like it was 1533 01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:55.720 in a Mount West days at the end. 1534 01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.359 I could very well, I don't know. Then time will tell. 1535 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:02.000 I mean, why speculate on speculation. But that's great. Yeah, 1536 01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:05.520 but but uh, who knows? I mean, who knows where college? 1537 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:07.000 Who who knows what will be in the same conference 1538 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:08.920 in two years? I mean, who knows that? There's so 1539 01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:11.920 I can't really give you a good answer other than, uh, 1540 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.840 you know, being in the same conference. Certainly, I don't 1541 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:18.920 wanna say, uh it just as uh uh an equalizer 1542 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.119 of sorts, I guess you could say. And especially from 1543 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:23.039 a recruiting standpoint. 1544 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:25.560 Yeah, to kind of go back to the transfer portal. 1545 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:29.079 Obviously with quarterbacks like the NFL, they're starting to become 1546 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:30.159 the highest paid position. 1547 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:31.800 Oh yeah, in college football. 1548 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:35.079 Yeah, in terms of a roster building perspective and what 1549 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:38.000 you've seen from Isaac, has there been any pause? I 1550 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.560 guess from what you've seen from his play to potentially 1551 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.039 view him as the future of this program moving forward. 1552 01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:47.479 I know that's a very broad question and just curious. 1553 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.279 Based off your person Well, just generally speaking, we had 1554 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.560 a ton of belief in Isaac and we think he's 1555 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:53.439 got a big upside. We didn't know he'd be thrust 1556 01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:55.960 into the starting role of the game in half into the season. 1557 01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:58.800 You know, we the idea and the plan was, you know, 1558 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.399 hopefully Camp stays healthy as it gets sporadic playing time 1559 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:04.279 along the way and continues to develop and really takes 1560 01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:06.560 over in spring as the number one guy. I mean, 1561 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:10.760 everything was accelerated so much. Uh and it's almost I 1562 01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:12.359 don't wanna say it's unfair and is it cause there 1563 01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:14.600 are other true freshmen in the country that are that 1564 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.920 are uh thrust into starting roles one reason or another. 1565 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:20.199 But uh, the bottom line is we have a lot 1566 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.960 of belief in Isaac and it'll be i you know, 1567 01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:26.800 important to see how the year finishes out. He's had 1568 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:28.560 uh nearly four hundred snaps. I think he's had three 1569 01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:31.840 hundred ninety seven snaps at quarterbacks so far this year 1570 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:34.520 and that's uh, you know, far more than we anticipated 1571 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:38.079 and have n't but but uh, you know, silver lining 1572 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:40.239 is he's gonna be that much further ahead in the 1573 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:42.159 future because of these snaps that he's had. 1574 01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:45.800 You've mentioned Noble whole still changes offensively obviously with uh 1575 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.439 who's the season change? What is the possible that chamiership 1576 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:52.640 of the quarterback or with Mike Jake taking over whether 1577 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:56.119 his play calling or how it matches up with the 1578 01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:57.119 quarterbacks still. 1579 01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:59.000 Said, or either their relationship with Mike. I wonder how 1580 01:17:59.000 --> 01:17:59.800 that quarterback. 1581 01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:03.279 Dynamic with well, I think it was not a a 1582 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:06.199 huge impact. I mean Andy Ludwood coach the quarterbacks and 1583 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:09.439 coordinated for years and so it's not like it's uh 1584 01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:12.680 uncommon for that to happen. That's very commonplace for for 1585 01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:15.159 uh coordinators to be the the QB coach. Now it's 1586 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:18.239 gonna become less common going forward because when they change 1587 01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.640 the rules, like I said, this year, everyone's added to 1588 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.079 their staff to free up the coordinators a lot of 1589 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:26.159 in a lot of instances. But uh, the quarterbacks have 1590 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:28.399 a really good relationship with Mike. He's been their guy 1591 01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:33.560 since last spring, and uh it's uh, you know, as 1592 01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:37.479 far as the way they operate, it's it's all status 1593 01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:39.159 quo and how it has been other than he is 1594 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:43.279 now uh putting the game plan together and calling the plays. 1595 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:44.720 Looking at by you. 1596 01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:46.239 You know, you have a lot of guys that were 1597 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.239 formally on your staff running the program there. 1598 01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:50.000 To say the least. 1599 01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:52.800 Yeah, right, yeah, what do you feel like they've done? 1600 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:56.479 I I guess well defined success this season with such 1601 01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:57.479 a cohesive roster. 1602 01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:00.000 It seems like all cylinders are working for them. 1603 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.640 I mean, what has kind of been the outside perspective 1604 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:03.199 from you? 1605 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:05.239 You'd have to ask them for the r you know, 1606 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:07.880 for the real answer to that. But I know that 1607 01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:11.119 they've got uh one, five, six, seven, eight, maybe ten 1608 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:15.119 guys when you count Badmin's and all the peripheral uh 1609 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:19.920 positions that that we're once here and so they're they're 1610 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:24.199 doing a a really nice job obviously, and uh, you know, 1611 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:26.399 I just would say that, uh, you know, they are 1612 01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.159 hitting on all cylinders, like you said, and again, uh 1613 01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:32.000 playing off each other. That you was your fin hard 1614 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:33.760 pressed to find a team in the country that does 1615 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:36.880 a better job of complimentary football than what they're playing 1616 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:37.279 right now. 1617 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.159 You're the pact Jay, he'll play here and work for you. 1618 01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:43.600 When you look at his defense, how. 1619 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:44.880 Much you will it helped during the game? 1620 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.159 How much are you looking at a lot of what 1621 01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:47.680 you did? 1622 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.399 And you know what he's thinking, and how much has 1623 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:51.840 he evolved. 1624 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:52.880 In the years since he done. 1625 01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:56.239 Well, he's evolved. But the basic principles, the basic fundamentals, 1626 01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.000 the basic philosophy is still intact. 1627 01:19:59.600 --> 01:19:59.760 Uh. 1628 01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:01.600 But Jay has done a terrific job putting his own 1629 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:03.520 stamp on it, just like Morgan's done a terrific job 1630 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:06.600 putting his own stamp on the defense here. But uh, 1631 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:10.239 the basic the you know, the building blocks are the 1632 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:14.479 same and that's really, uh what wins games. And you know, blocking, tackling, 1633 01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:16.680 how you defeat blocks. I am and all that stuff 1634 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:19.479 is is what wins and loses games. It's not it's 1635 01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:24.520 not plays, it's players and how they fundamentally operate. And uh, 1636 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:26.560 he's got those guys doing a great job. 1637 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:30.720 In regards to as it get those almost four hundred snaps. 1638 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:35.520 And I guess with whatever starts against by us, is 1639 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:39.279 all experience a good experience or you have to make 1640 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:42.239 sure that you know you're helping build the quarterback's confidence 1641 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:46.279 by particularly well it's getting the right situations to play callwise. 1642 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:49.000 Et cetera. Sure, I would say most all experience is 1643 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:52.000 mostly good experience, not that, but you can you know, 1644 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:54.600 there's there's situations where a guy goes in and and 1645 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.199 becomes shell shocked because it's happening so fast and he's 1646 01:20:57.239 --> 01:20:59.439 not ready for it, and it can do some damage 1647 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.640 for a period. I'm not saying that's what happened to Isaac, 1648 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:04.359 But I've seen that happen in the past. The quarterbacks 1649 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.720 where and other positions for that matter, but mostly as 1650 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.199 a quarterback, I mean, they're the they're the it's the most 1651 01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.680 important position in football, hands down, it's not even close. 1652 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:16.359 But uh have seen where uh guys got thrust in 1653 01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:18.800 there too early, and even at the pro level that's happened, 1654 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.079 and so yeah, you can see that happening. But but 1655 01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:24.680 most of the time, experience is experience, and you're learning 1656 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:27.199 and growing along the way regardless of results. But if 1657 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:30.399 it's too extreme or too dramatic, uh, in the wrong direction, 1658 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.079 that can't have long lasting effect. 1659 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:34.960 And Uch, you've been very candid. 1660 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.600 About always candid, Yeah, every every day in my life, Canda. 1661 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:40.039 It's a good way to describe it. 1662 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.399 Kay, you've been very candid about the conference ree line 1663 01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:46.159 or race, just how you think the next three or 1664 01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:48.880 five years are going to shape you know, how there's 1665 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.159 a potential power too or Super League. 1666 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:54.520 How do you feel like winning in the state of. 1667 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:57.600 Utah's program is right now for the future of that 1668 01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:01.119 potential power too And obviously that's speculative, but yeah, you know, 1669 01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:04.720 is there more pressure on you as a head coach, 1670 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:06.720 knowing the the states of those futures. 1671 01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:07.359 Uh. 1672 01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:09.880 Uh, Well, there's always pressure on the head coach in 1673 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:12.479 regardless of the circumstances. It doesn't matter if you're a 1674 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:14.680 Pop Warner coach. I mean, you've got pressure and and 1675 01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.199 you feel it. And if you're all in then you care. 1676 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.760 And it again doesn't matter the level. But uh, I 1677 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:23.199 would say it's more a body of the work of 1678 01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.720 the last twenty years, the thirty years, more so than 1679 01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:30.199 than one year. But but uh, when that realignment cause it, 1680 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.199 And I think all the most of the TV contracts 1681 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:33.880 in about five years are up, and I think that's 1682 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.239 when it's really the stuff's gonna hit the fan and 1683 01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:38.399 things are gonna unless they accelerate it. You know, they 1684 01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:41.359 could accelerate it and and it could happen sooner. But 1685 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.640 to answer your question, I think, uh, you're gonna look 1686 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:44.239 a big picture. 1687 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:44.640 Uh. 1688 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:48.039 There's so many things involved, you know, side, not not 1689 01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:52.119 just your your uh win loss record overall though although 1690 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:54.119 that'll be a big importance. You know, how big is 1691 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.279 your stadium, you you're you're f following, and I mean 1692 01:22:57.359 --> 01:22:59.520 just how you know just your overall state of the 1693 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:01.640 program and what you bring to the table. That's really 1694 01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:03.119 what it boils down to is what do you bring 1695 01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:06.640 to the table as a program, as a fan base 1696 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:10.079 to make yourself attractive to be in that Power two 1697 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:14.000 or whatever it ends will be in. So appreciate you guys. 1698 01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:18.600 All right here we go, all right there he is 1699 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:19.079 coach Wit. 1700 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.000 We replay his media availability every Monday throughout the college 1701 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.359 football season. If you missed any of it, just head 1702 01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.640 to the website excuse me, which is ESPN seven hundred 1703 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.720 sports dot com. Austin Powers theme song? Is that what 1704 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:32.119 this is? 1705 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:35.159 It is? But it's it's a Quincy Jones joint. All right? 1706 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:37.680 Okay, well that works for the musical theme on a 1707 01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:40.039 Monday afternoon. It's a big week, man, bring him young, 1708 01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:44.800 rolls up to Risycle Stadium undefeated for Saturday Saturday night, 1709 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:45.760 tilled against the Utah. 1710 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:47.800 You try, next guest, good friend of the show, the 1711 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:48.880 head coach of b y U. 1712 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:52.920 Great to have Kalatee satake on a Monday, Coach kilate 1713 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:53.520 Happy Monday. 1714 01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:54.000 How you doing? 1715 01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:55.640 What's going on? 1716 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:55.960 Spence? 1717 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:56.479 How you doing? 1718 01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:58.319 I'm well, man, I appreciate the time. 1719 01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:01.159 So when you wake up on an of a week 1720 01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:03.239 like this, How does it hit a little bit differently 1721 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:06.239 just juxtaposed to your other game weeks. 1722 01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.439 Oh, I mean it's I'm actually what was odd was 1723 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:13.680 having the bye week last week for both teams, and 1724 01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:16.520 so that was the harder week to get through. But 1725 01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:18.840 now that the game week is here, it's right around 1726 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.239 the corner. It makes it a little bit more normal 1727 01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:23.399 than what we had to go through with the bye week. 1728 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.439 But I thought we took advantage of the extra time 1729 01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:29.560 that we had, extra preparation and really looking forward to 1730 01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.520 this game. I got to take advantage of what we 1731 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:34.039 got to get done today. But I'm just really excited 1732 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.359 for this game, for our players. 1733 01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:37.760 And obviously your wealth. 1734 01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:40.720 You're well aware of the dynamics that come into play here. 1735 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:43.119 And I want to go back to Big twelve media 1736 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.159 days when I was able to catch up with both 1737 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:48.520 you and and and a Rod coach a Rod and 1738 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.279 you both said to me, we will be better, we 1739 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:54.960 will be different this year, and eight games later, you 1740 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:59.800 certainly have klatatee. What would you attribute your undefeated start 1741 01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:01.279 you most? 1742 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:03.319 Is there one dynamic? Is it preparation? 1743 01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:07.079 Because the interesting thing is you made some transfer portal 1744 01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.720 editions but you really just grew from within, which is 1745 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.560 not the model that a lot of people are using 1746 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:14.239 these days. So first of all, congrats on the start. 1747 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.159 How would you explain how this has gone down? 1748 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:19.560 Well? I think we just had to believe in what 1749 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.199 we were doing and we know that the landscape of 1750 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:26.039 college football has changed quite a bit. But when it 1751 01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.359 all comes down to it, having the principles, the things 1752 01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:33.199 that we actually operate by, you have to double down 1753 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:34.600 on it. You have a choice to either do it 1754 01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.159 or abandon it. And we decided to stick to what 1755 01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:39.720 stay the course of what we're doing. We knew what 1756 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.960 the corrections need to be done, what things we need 1757 01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:45.880 to do to overcome the deficiencies from twenty twenty three 1758 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.359 and just went to work. And I could say from 1759 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.520 January and to that moment that we met with you, 1760 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:55.560 we saw a lot of improvement and a lot of 1761 01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:58.279 really cool things that happened with our program and with 1762 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:00.600 the players, and started to a little bit more confident 1763 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.760 about our opportunities and the possibilities of. 1764 01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:04.239 For this year. 1765 01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:07.239 I didn't know exactly what that meant other than we 1766 01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:10.800 feel we felt really comment going into this season. You know, 1767 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:12.319 we we're in a really good spot right now, but 1768 01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.039 that that it doesn't change the fact that of our 1769 01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:17.399 approach and and and the processes that we're trying to 1770 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:20.000 work through, we just happened to be eight no at now. 1771 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:22.159 But that doesn't really matter. It's just like we've done 1772 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:24.359 it every week this season, is move on to the 1773 01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:27.079 next one and try our best to be at our 1774 01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:28.720 best so that we can perform and try to get 1775 01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:31.399 that one this week. And that's we're completely focused on 1776 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.159 this this night game and just happens to be Utah. 1777 01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:36.600 We're really excited about the opportunity. But there's a lot 1778 01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:38.279 of things that we know we can do better and 1779 01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:40.600 we're seeing it. You know that that's a tough task 1780 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:43.239 to do it against a tough team like Utah and 1781 01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:44.720 and to go up to their home and do that 1782 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:46.920 and and uh, but you know, we got no choice, man. 1783 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:48.920 We got to be able to step up. We we 1784 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:51.159 see the challenge that that's at hand and we're hoping 1785 01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:53.000 that this would get the best out of us. 1786 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:56.279 So for me, Kalani, it was Smu. It was the 1787 01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:57.760 road when Smu that. 1788 01:26:57.840 --> 01:26:59.640 Kind of opened my eyes and I went all right, 1789 01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.079 there's something going on down there now. I didn't know 1790 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:03.680 you were going to be a No, you never know 1791 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:04.840 about any of these things. 1792 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.199 But was there as the head coach. 1793 01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:10.720 Was there one seminal moment, one seminal game where you 1794 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:12.680 guys were looking around, You're like, all right, this might 1795 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.000 be real. Does does one thing kind of jump out? 1796 01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:16.680 Well? 1797 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.319 I think the thing that jumped out to me the 1798 01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:22.239 leaders that I saw on the team just this was 1799 01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:24.800 in camp. I just felt you just felt the difference 1800 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:27.199 in the way that these guys are the closest that 1801 01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:29.600 they felt to each other. And then and then I'm 1802 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:33.119 seeing it the way that they're celebrating each other's accomplishments. 1803 01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:36.319 So then you see somebody making the play, the excitement 1804 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:38.720 and energy that comes from their teammates and and even 1805 01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:42.000 people that are that are in competition for the same spot. 1806 01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.039 That's that's something that's unique and different, and I and 1807 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.399 joum enjoying it. And we don't have a lot of 1808 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.399 big stats that are out there other than we have 1809 01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:52.680 an unselfish team. And I wish I could take credit 1810 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:54.520 for all that, but I have to give a lot 1811 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.079 of all the credit to our players, our leaders. They've 1812 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:01.000 done an amazing job and owning the team and and prepping 1813 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:02.960 them and preparing them. The pre re peer learning has 1814 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:06.119 been amazing and it's been awesome for me to coach. 1815 01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:10.000 So your media every Monday after the game has been 1816 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:13.319 really impressive. But it's one thing to say we want 1817 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.359 to make our eighth statement, or we want to make 1818 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:17.479 our ninth statement, or we want to win the week. 1819 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:21.079 All coaches have some sort of derivative of that. But 1820 01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:24.680 how do you make that message permeate among the young 1821 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:26.800 men that play for you? Because at that age I 1822 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.760 always talk about college coaches just having a different task 1823 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:33.640 than pro coaches simply because sometimes we forget how young 1824 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.359 these young men are because they're wearing pads and we 1825 01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:38.520 watch them play the game that we love. So how 1826 01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:41.520 have you been able to instill the week to week 1827 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:43.279 approach in your players? 1828 01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:48.239 Well, I think we've been really consistent as a coaching 1829 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:52.199 staff and in our approach every week, and whether that's 1830 01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:55.960 this year or last year, and doesn't matter that the week, 1831 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:59.680 we've been very consistent and then and how we operate. 1832 01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:03.039 But I think the key is you can either be 1833 01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:05.840 sad or happy, but there's one thing that has to happen. 1834 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:08.399 You have to go to work, and so it doesn't 1835 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:11.039 really matter what happened that day you come to practice. 1836 01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:13.600 There's work to be done. And it's really hard. If 1837 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.479 you run a certain system the way you want it to, 1838 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:17.720 it's hard to fake it. So you've got to be 1839 01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:19.479 here and you got to put in the time. And 1840 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.159 for some reason, when you just put in the time 1841 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:24.000 and you get you start sweating, good things happen and 1842 01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:28.199 people can feel accomplished. So regards to what's happening outside 1843 01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:31.399 of the facility when they enter here, I wanted to 1844 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.239 be focused on what we're doing, and the best way 1845 01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:35.800 to get a focus is you just got to work 1846 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:38.840 really hard. And these guys have answered the call for 1847 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:41.039 us to get them to work hard. Is that we've 1848 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:42.640 been able to build every week. I hope you can 1849 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.119 do the same thing this week and be consistent. Will 1850 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:46.520 we've done so far this year. 1851 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:50.239 And you've had tremendous consistency under center. And in the 1852 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:53.479 four games we saw Jake last year, there just were 1853 01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:56.359 way too many decisions that ultimately led to turnovers that 1854 01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:57.720 ultimately led to losses. 1855 01:29:57.840 --> 01:29:58.920 And it's been more. 1856 01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:02.560 I look, nobody's perfect, but he's been so much better 1857 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:05.720 this year. A year older a year evolved. Obviously, your 1858 01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:08.520 wide receiver room is in my opinion, as deep as 1859 01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.960 anyone that I've seen. So he certainly has targets. You've 1860 01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:14.279 got three or four capable backs you've had to shuffle 1861 01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:16.520 through when it comes to the health stuff and a 1862 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:18.439 little bit of an injury issue on the O line. 1863 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:20.520 Hopefully that's getting hold. But what stands out most to 1864 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:22.399 you about the play of your quarterback. 1865 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:26.359 Well, I just really appreciate his approach to the game, 1866 01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:30.840 so humble, and he's always willing to learn more. And 1867 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:33.159 and part of that learning is that I think we 1868 01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.520 we as coaches want to want to focus on the negatives. 1869 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:36.960 It's like, hey, you got to do this better, got 1870 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:38.880 to do that better. But the one thing that he's 1871 01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:41.039 been able to do is deflect even the praise. And 1872 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.399 I think we have to do our jobs as coaches 1873 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.800 is the is the definitely give them the negative side 1874 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.159 what they can improve on, but that's difficult to do 1875 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:51.319 without praising them and the things that they've done well. 1876 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:53.800 And when we do that, he doesn't ever take it 1877 01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.520 and then and then and turns into pride. He always 1878 01:30:56.600 --> 01:30:59.760 deflects it to his teammates and I've been really impressed 1879 01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:02.560 with this humility and his ability to work. And he's 1880 01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:04.600 been through some tough times, you know what I mean, 1881 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:06.920 and he's had to earn this spot, and so as 1882 01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.520 he won the starting spot, you can see that there's 1883 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:12.560 a cool dynamic in the in the quarterback room, and 1884 01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:14.359 I've been really impressed with what Aro has been able 1885 01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:17.000 to do with that group. And Jake's doing some good 1886 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.880 things now. But like I said, he's not playing perfect. 1887 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:23.159 But I like his demeanor and I like his mentality, 1888 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:25.199 and I like the leadership that he show him to 1889 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:26.920 our team. It's been really impressive. 1890 01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:31.520 Had seventeen players score touchdown, You've had eleven players get 1891 01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:34.359 a pick, You've had eight players get a sack. Like 1892 01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:39.119 this is an absolute masterclass on depth and complimentary football. 1893 01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:41.199 You're not getting this done with one or two guys. 1894 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:44.159 I mean that speaks too. I suppose the depth you've 1895 01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:46.279 built up to get ready for this P four challenge. 1896 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:50.479 Yeah, well, I think it's just everybody buying into their part. 1897 01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:53.720 And you're right, it's been. The stats have been kind 1898 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:56.600 of spread out throughout everyone in the team, and I 1899 01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.119 think it's just everyone just does buys into their role. 1900 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:01.399 It doesn't really out of your role as a starting role. 1901 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:03.439 If you're a backup guy, you got to be ready. 1902 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:05.000 You got to be ready for that moment just in 1903 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:08.359 case something does happen. And you know what happens, bence 1904 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:11.119 is you over prepare quite a bit. Imagine if you're 1905 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:13.680 a backup player, but you're you're you're the team that 1906 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:15.600 you're back of, the person that you're backing up is 1907 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.000 actually healthy and doing well. 1908 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:17.560 Well. 1909 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:20.159 Last thing you want is the injury to happen. But 1910 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:22.800 these guys are bought in and they're they're they're focused 1911 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.520 on what's happening. They're getting mental reps, and they're supporting 1912 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:28.119 their teammates and that's I wish I could take credit 1913 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:29.800 for them, but that's that's the stuff that they're doing 1914 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.600 for the position groups and from their leaders, and they're 1915 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:36.000 following the example of their leaders. So to have guys 1916 01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:39.079 that are the upperclassmen and just be happy with whatever 1917 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:41.880 comes their way and not be so focused on the stats. 1918 01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:44.760 We have to all agree that the one stat matters 1919 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:46.720 the most, and that's trying to do whatever we can 1920 01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:49.000 as a team to get the victory. And it's easier 1921 01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.239 said than done, but I've been lucky that these young 1922 01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:53.159 men have taken it to heart and that the leaders 1923 01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:55.399 have taken the task of teaching it to everyone. But 1924 01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:57.760 they do it by by their example as well. 1925 01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:01.039 Certainly, when you blab into a micro for four hours 1926 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:02.159 every day, you're gonna get. 1927 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:02.600 A lot wrong. 1928 01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:04.920 Klaudie, I don't know that I've ever been as wrong 1929 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:08.239 as I've been about this Utah football team. How surprised 1930 01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:11.039 are you as far as where we find ourselves up 1931 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:12.960 in Salt Lake with a youth sitting at four and 1932 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:14.399 four having lost four straight. 1933 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.560 Well, I think, first of all the dangerous team because 1934 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.000 you can see the talent and you can see the 1935 01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:23.800 toughness that's in that program. I think they've gone through 1936 01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:27.359 some adversity. It happens in college football, and unfortunately the 1937 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:30.439 injuries can be a detriment to your program and even 1938 01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:33.319 the momentum. But I do know one thing about that 1939 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:36.079 coaching staff and one thing about those players. They have 1940 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.399 high character and the ability to fight back. So we're 1941 01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:41.439 expecting their best shot. We know we'll get their best 1942 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.640 shot because they don't know any other way. And I 1943 01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:45.680 just need to make sure that our players and our 1944 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:47.439 team and our program show up with our best shot, 1945 01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:49.359 and it was whatever happens happens. We can just live 1946 01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:51.880 with the results. But I have a ton of respect 1947 01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:54.840 and tons of appreciation for the way they play the game. 1948 01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:58.159 Just we're really looking forward to this matchup and the 1949 01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:00.079 energy that we'll be in this game. It's been a 1950 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.520 fund that is back on on the schedule again, but 1951 01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:05.439 you look at the parody that's happened in this conference, 1952 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:08.960 you look at last weekend for example. You can't take 1953 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:11.000 anything for granted, so you have to just play it 1954 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.079 your best, and even when you play your best, it 1955 01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.319 may not be good enough, but at least you can 1956 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.319 live with the results. And that's what we're looking forward 1957 01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:19.720 to getting done, and we'll see what happens. I know 1958 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:22.359 that if these guys play their best and then they 1959 01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:24.720 can live with the results, no matter how it looks 1960 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:25.439 on the scoreboard. 1961 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:28.000 So it's been tough up here with the quarterback stuff, 1962 01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:31.680 as you know, and Coach Witt has elected to not 1963 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:34.560 share who his starting quarterback will be on Saturday, so 1964 01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:36.800 we know that Brandon Rose and Isaac Wilson will be 1965 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:40.319 splitting reps this week. Does that change the way you 1966 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.920 prepared for Saturday? There's this debate in college football, like 1967 01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:46.960 does that really give you a competitive advantage? Well, Kyle 1968 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.520 thinks it does and it's not against the rules, So 1969 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:52.640 that's how he decides to go about the messaging. How 1970 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:55.439 does that affect your game plan as you approach this 1971 01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.840 game not knowing who's under center, or maybe you already know. 1972 01:34:57.880 --> 01:34:58.119 I don't know. 1973 01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.640 We just I said earlier over preparing is kind of 1974 01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:06.399 what you have to do as a coaching staff, and 1975 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:08.640 so there's things that we have to do. We have 1976 01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:12.279 to prepare for whoever shows up under center, and that 1977 01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:13.920 doesn't really matter who could be, but you can you 1978 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:17.239 can plan for anything, whether it's a wildcat situation or 1979 01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:20.680 they they use a number of quarterbacks. I mean, that's 1980 01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:23.640 they're right. I think coach with is right. It's to 1981 01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:26.600 their advantage. Plus, from what you're seeing that they're trying 1982 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:28.520 to they're trying to get guys to earn and compete 1983 01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.760 for a spot. So I'm not worried about how they 1984 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:33.600 do it. I'm just focused on what we can do 1985 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:36.600 and what we have to react to. It's been it's 1986 01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:38.359 been good for us to use the extra time because 1987 01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:40.079 I know they are using the extra week for the 1988 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:42.399 buy to get their offense ready, and we have to 1989 01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.359 do our best to get all our three phases ready. 1990 01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:46.880 And I know that we can count on the battle 1991 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.800 that's gonna always happen in these games. Just really looking 1992 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.560 forward to the matchup and everything. And regardless of who's 1993 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:54.359 under center, I know that they have a lot of 1994 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:57.960 talent around them, physical align, They have a great tight 1995 01:35:58.079 --> 01:35:59.760 ends that can play a number of them, and then 1996 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:02.960 a bunch of skill at wide opposition, and the number 1997 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:04.720 of running backs that can run the rock really hard. 1998 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.119 So this is a tough task for us, and then 1999 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:09.600 we're taking it very seriously and we're looking forward to 2000 01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:11.920 hopefully the challenge is making us to step up and 2001 01:36:11.960 --> 01:36:14.680 become a better, even step up to another level of 2002 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:15.680 play for our side. 2003 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:18.439 On the other side, Kaladia, as you know, the numbers 2004 01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:21.000 indicate this is still kind of like a top three 2005 01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:24.199 defense in the conference. And that's Utah football, that's Kyle 2006 01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:27.720 Whittingham football. It's also Kolonia Satake football, as we know. 2007 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.640 So when you study their defense, what stands out as 2008 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:32.880 far as how they've been able to maintain what they 2009 01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:34.600 usually do on that side of the ball. 2010 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:37.319 Well, it looks really familiar, you know what I mean. 2011 01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:39.600 You look at the guys that are in our room, 2012 01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:42.439 and the guys are working the defense. I know Morgan Scatty, 2013 01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:45.560 I know coach Whittingham. I know they'll get that team ready, 2014 01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:49.039 and I know the coach is Lewis Powell and Sharif. 2015 01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:52.000 Those guys are doing a great job, you know, and Swani, 2016 01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:54.359 I mean, those guys do a great job at getting 2017 01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:57.399 their guys ready. So we've seen it every week and 2018 01:36:57.439 --> 01:37:01.079 they've been very consistent. They are a defense that's a 2019 01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:04.039 very physical rundwell of the ball that's been that way. 2020 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:07.119 It's almost like that's just a given. And so for us, 2021 01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:08.920 we just have to be ready. Offensively, we have to 2022 01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.800 be ready to take on their best and like I 2023 01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:13.119 said before, all three phases, we have to be at 2024 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.479 our best because there are three phases and you saw 2025 01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:17.399 a very well coached and they have a lot of 2026 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:19.560 talent and a lot of skill. So as we put 2027 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:21.239 it all together and we match them up, we'll see 2028 01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:24.359 what happens on Saturday. Looking forward to the matchup, I'm 2029 01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:26.800 hoping that this will elevate our game and make us 2030 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:28.960 play even better than what we've done before. But I 2031 01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:30.600 think we're going to have to play our best ball this. 2032 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:32.560 Weekend, last thing that I know you got to get to. 2033 01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:35.840 It's all set you loose, But I view you as 2034 01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:38.800 kind of what I perceive to be a leader into 2035 01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:41.239 this generation of what feels to be a more civil 2036 01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:43.119 relationship between the two communities. 2037 01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:46.439 Nobody, You're not going to get perfect behavior. 2038 01:37:46.479 --> 01:37:48.760 They're gonna be a couple of idiots that do something stupid, 2039 01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:51.600 but that shouldn't, you know, overshadow what should be a 2040 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:53.920 really fun week. It's a week that I love, but Colonia, 2041 01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.760 it's a week that some people don't because of the 2042 01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:58.640 past and the energy and things that maybe have happened 2043 01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:00.760 that have hurt feelings or what have you. So before 2044 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.880 I say you lose, just characterize how you hope this week. 2045 01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:05.720 Goes leading up to the game and then during the 2046 01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:06.279 game as well. 2047 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:07.680 Well. 2048 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:09.520 I think this is how most fans want to be. 2049 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:11.359 And you have to remember that I'm a fan at heart, 2050 01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:13.199 even though I get to be a coach for you 2051 01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:19.119 know where they did. 2052 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:19.960 We lose them mean? 2053 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.319 And I kind of was raised in the in the 2054 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.319 the Lovelle and mac Era and then those guys were 2055 01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.479 best friends. They really enjoyed each other's company. Even to 2056 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:30.920 this day, Patty and Mac and Vicki, they all have 2057 01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:33.880 a great relationship, and so it's it's one of those 2058 01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:36.439 things that you re celebrated. And when we were not 2059 01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:38.159 able to play this game, we had to take an 2060 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:41.079 absence because of the conference issues and the realignment. Now 2061 01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:43.640 that we're the same conference or power conference, I think 2062 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:45.079 we could take it and take a lot of the 2063 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:48.439 enjoyment and appreciating each other and just playing the game 2064 01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:50.720 and giving it at that at the game, because this 2065 01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:52.760 affects a lot of families and a lot of friendships 2066 01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:54.640 and it shouldn't be that way. I think there's a 2067 01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:56.680 way that we can, regardless of the game the result 2068 01:38:56.720 --> 01:38:59.079 of the game, that we should be civil and still 2069 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:02.119 loving and the pre each other. Because it's a lot 2070 01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:04.560 better now that we have the rivalry back and that 2071 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:06.479 it's more consistent, and we happen to be in a 2072 01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:09.560 power conference, So it's something to be celebrated and something 2073 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.359 to have for a lot of fun with. And I 2074 01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:13.920 hope that we can not be so toxic anymore and 2075 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:16.880 just enjoy each other's company and then even even by chance, 2076 01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:19.079 root for each other when we're not playing each other. 2077 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:23.239 Well said, well, I'm thrilled for your success, my friends, 2078 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:24.680 and it's been fun to watch. 2079 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:25.239 It's real. 2080 01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:27.520 You've answered questions and I'll wish you the best of 2081 01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:30.239 luck coming up on Saturday. And I really appreciate your 2082 01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:31.119 time on a busy day. 2083 01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:33.279 Okay, thank you, my frien. 2084 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:34.159 I appreciate you, guys. 2085 01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:37.279 Thanks all right, Kiani Satake head coach Brigham Young. They 2086 01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:40.079 roll up here to Salt Lake as a five point 2087 01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:44.560 twelve four point favorite. Now the line opened at five 2088 01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:48.039 and it moved down to four and that's where it's remained, 2089 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:50.600 which is kind of interesting. When I saw five and 2090 01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:56.199 went oof BYU Road Team rivalry game, insane Utah desperation. 2091 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.439 You can't fake desperation, say it all the time. I 2092 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:02.479 would imagine U Tu's gonna come out very, very desperate, 2093 01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:05.239 not just for a good showing, but they've got to win. 2094 01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:07.840 Man Utah doesn't win on Saturday. I don't know that 2095 01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:09.800 they go bowling. Of course, it's still on the table 2096 01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:12.520 and the only thing worse than playing in a throwaway 2097 01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:15.840 bowl game is not being eligible for one. Of course, 2098 01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:19.520 different things at stakes for both teams. B Why you 2099 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:22.800 still try to stay clean. Okay, b why you still 2100 01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:25.960 try to stay clean? And you know, Klannie just referenced 2101 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:29.600 the chaos in the Big Twelve over the weekend with 2102 01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:32.640 Iowa State getting God, case State getting God. Fact of 2103 01:40:32.640 --> 01:40:35.800 the matter is BYU can lose on Saturday and they're 2104 01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:37.680 still kind of high speed ahead of the Big Twelve 2105 01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:40.880 championship game. They might even be able to go two 2106 01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:44.520 and two over their final four and still make it in. 2107 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:46.800 I mean, that's kind of the position they put themselves in. 2108 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:50.239 The only other kind, well, I don't know, is Houston Good. 2109 01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.000 Like we were going to do our power pole today 2110 01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:54.520 and my Big Twelve power pole was going to be 2111 01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:58.399 BYU won, then everyone else I don't know. BYU's won, 2112 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:00.680 and then everyone else is tied to you to sixteen, 2113 01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:03.399 like as Houston Good all of a sudden, but BYU 2114 01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:07.000 gets them at home. They'll play Kansas at home after 2115 01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:11.279 Utah that road game against Arizona State's probably a little 2116 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:15.039 bit tricky. Arizona State's a good team. Kenny Dillingham's done 2117 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.920 a good job. But you know, it really does come 2118 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:21.880 down to, you know, Utah fighting to save their season 2119 01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:25.800 from a Bowl eligibility standpoint and really fighting to save 2120 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:29.119 their season, to have really, in my opinion, one more 2121 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:33.800 good opportunity in front of this community for something that's 2122 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:36.560 real and something that matters. If that makes sense, Because 2123 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:39.439 the BYU game matters. I mean I always say it's good, 2124 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:41.279 that's gonna be a fun game to go to, and 2125 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:43.720 it's the last home game, so honor the seniors and 2126 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:48.640 we'll all be there for it. But you know, if 2127 01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:51.399 if Dorian Singer goes for one to seventy five and 2128 01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:56.279 three touchdowns against BYU and Utah wins, it just carries 2129 01:41:56.279 --> 01:41:58.720 a different weight as opposed if he does it against 2130 01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:01.520 Iowa State, if that matters, And yes, it does feel 2131 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.760 like we're partying like it's nineteen eighty nine again where 2132 01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:06.279 Utah football. 2133 01:42:06.439 --> 01:42:07.640 You know, for a long. 2134 01:42:07.479 --> 01:42:08.920 Long time it was like maybe we can go to 2135 01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:11.760 a bowl and beat BYU and that was considered success. 2136 01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:16.960 The expectation has changed around here and that makes this 2137 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:20.239 season land differently and there's nothing that can be done 2138 01:42:20.319 --> 01:42:22.479 between now and the end of the season to change. 2139 01:42:22.199 --> 01:42:23.840 That undeniable fact. 2140 01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:25.960 And I'm sure Kyle would admit that himself, and he 2141 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.199 all but has in his media availability. But for one day, 2142 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:32.399 you have one opportunity to be great in a game 2143 01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:35.000 that matters to a lot of people. And that's got 2144 01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:37.479 to be the message to the players this week, who 2145 01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:41.039 I'm sure are still down in the dumps after losing 2146 01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:44.319 four straight. I mean, Utah has lost going in, they've 2147 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.239 lost games going into both by weeks. 2148 01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:47.920 That's got to be hard. 2149 01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:51.079 I mean, I'm sure it just resonates and just kind 2150 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:53.439 of lingers and stays there. 2151 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:55.199 And a win on Saturday. 2152 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:59.880 It's not going to change what the season ultimately unfolds 2153 01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:02.760 in too, but for one moment you can probably win 2154 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.079 back at community that right now is I don't know. 2155 01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:09.119 I feel like the community is very nervous for Saturday. 2156 01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:11.520 It'll be a fun night. As Kalanate just outline, no 2157 01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:14.920 matter what, don't forget that kickoff time is eight to fifteen. 2158 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:16.600 It is on ESPN. 2159 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:18.319 You can listen to it, of course, as your home 2160 01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:20.079 of the youths for more than seventy years here on 2161 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:25.319 ESPN seven hundred. Our pregame coverage with Porter Larsen and 2162 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:27.800 with Porter Larsen. 2163 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.920 And Azekastiata and a bunch of other folks will be 2164 01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.920 stopping by, Hey, cast of characters, stop stopping by our 2165 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:37.920 tailgates starting at four fifteen on Saturday, so come by 2166 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:38.560 and join us. 2167 01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:43.840 I think the Austin Powers theme song for Kilani worked 2168 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:46.960 pretty well. You use that as the intro for Klonia. 2169 01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:50.159 I don't know why. It felt like it was an 2170 01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:51.199 appropriate bump. 2171 01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:53.520 I don't know why either, but it did feel like 2172 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:57.000 it worked. And this one, I believe is also a 2173 01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:02.720 music video theme. May be a soundtrack of some but 2174 01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:04.920 it's good. I like the bumps. I like the Quincy 2175 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:05.600 Jones bumps. 2176 01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:05.960 Yeah. 2177 01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:11.479 Have you seen the documentary that his daughter, Rushida directed. 2178 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.640 I think it's Netflix. You know what. I totally space 2179 01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:18.239 that that is his daughter. Yeah, The Office of the 2180 01:44:18.279 --> 01:44:20.800 Office Fame. She's very talented in her own right. You 2181 01:44:20.800 --> 01:44:22.760 know what it was actually HBO. I knew that at 2182 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:24.199 one point and totally forgot about it. 2183 01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:26.920 It's really good because I look, I'm a music fan, 2184 01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:31.039 and I had no clue just how far his reach went. 2185 01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:33.399 I mean, a pretty remarkable career and he was a 2186 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:36.399 remarkable artist in his own right. Passed away at the 2187 01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:40.600 age of ninety one. So yeah, that's the musical theme 2188 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:42.800 of the day today. Well, the other theme of the 2189 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:45.199 day today is there's a football game on Saturday, folks 2190 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:47.840 seem to be interested in Josh Furlong from Cassel, do 2191 01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:50.800 you have any inside knowledge of this football game coming 2192 01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:52.239 up on Saturday we should know about. 2193 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:55.399 Yeah, that's a low key game. Nobody's ever really heard 2194 01:44:55.439 --> 01:44:55.680 of it. 2195 01:44:55.720 --> 01:44:58.520 People will probably gloss over it, so it'll be fine. 2196 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:02.119 Well ultimately, I well let me start here. I like 2197 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:05.279 this week. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's 2198 01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:08.039 just that kind of like that competitive energy. I never 2199 01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:11.039 played for a paycheck, but I definitely played in rivalry 2200 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:12.359 games and I always loved it. 2201 01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:14.600 I don't know what, but some people very much do 2202 01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:15.359 not enjoy it. 2203 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:18.199 And I don't know if it's a little PTSD from 2204 01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:20.520 having your feelings heard at church from a BYU bro. 2205 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.640 I don't fully know what it is. But do you 2206 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:25.840 enjoy this week from your vantage point? 2207 01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:29.960 Yeah? I mean I think from a competitive standpoint, this 2208 01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:34.439 becomes a very fun week every single year when it happens, right, 2209 01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:37.039 I think there's a lot of fun to it. I 2210 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:39.800 understand where some people don't like it. I mean, like 2211 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:42.760 there's one hand of it where I hate the bau 2212 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:46.399 Utah week simply because of the vitriol on Twitter. Granted, 2213 01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:49.520 that comes on a day to day basis, but it 2214 01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:51.800 seems to ramp up this week. But I feel like 2215 01:45:52.920 --> 01:45:54.600 this is what you want to play for, right I mean, 2216 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:57.039 obviously Utah wants to play for championships and they want 2217 01:45:57.039 --> 01:45:59.479 to play for the playoffs, but you want to play 2218 01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:01.960 to be your rival. And now that it means something, 2219 01:46:02.479 --> 01:46:06.159 it just feels like it has much more at stake. 2220 01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:09.359 And I understand these two teams are completely different trajectories 2221 01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:11.800 right now, but I think it still means something, and 2222 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:14.840 I think it's exciting, right Like, it gets people rejuvenated. 2223 01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:17.760 Even with Utah as down as they have been and 2224 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.319 not really playing as well, I think there's still a 2225 01:46:20.359 --> 01:46:23.159 glimmer of hope because you know how crazy these games 2226 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.560 get that you know, maybe Utah plays spoiler and then 2227 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:29.920 all of a sudden, this undefeated season and this remarkable 2228 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:32.359 season that b what you've had is spoiled by. 2229 01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:33.199 Utah once again. 2230 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:36.359 So if you can't get excited for that, I don't 2231 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:37.640 know what to tell you, right Like, I mean, this 2232 01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:39.600 is what this is the reason you play the sport. 2233 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:42.000 You want to be in competitive environments, You want to 2234 01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:44.800 be able to have this fun. So I, for one, 2235 01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:47.800 love this type of week. I think it's fun and 2236 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:48.880 people should embrace it. 2237 01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:52.479 More so the data sometimes it's all you can go 2238 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:56.119 off of. The data indicates BYU is the better team. 2239 01:46:56.479 --> 01:47:00.119 I don't think anybody can argue that now. But if 2240 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:02.720 you have paid attention to the way this game usually goes, 2241 01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:05.760 more often than not, barring like a two thousand and 2242 01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:10.479 four talent gap, chaos ensues in a way that you 2243 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:16.600 never ever anticipate. So ultimately that does give Utah fighting chance. 2244 01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:20.560 By you opened as a five point favorite, Vegas typically 2245 01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:23.359 builds in three for the home field advantage. Vegas is 2246 01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:26.479 essentially saying BYU is about a touchdown a little bit 2247 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:28.479 more better than Utah. 2248 01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:29.279 Let's start there. 2249 01:47:29.319 --> 01:47:31.880 Do you think that's the difference, that's the general difference 2250 01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:34.520 between these two teams about a touchdown or so. 2251 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:36.239 Yeah. 2252 01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:38.039 I mean, I think on the surface, you'd look at that, 2253 01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:40.279 you'd say that's easy money for BYU, right, Like, it 2254 01:47:41.119 --> 01:47:45.399 seems like a real easy spread to cover the way 2255 01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:48.600 that Bau's playing and kind of the camaraderie and just 2256 01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:51.079 kind of the general sense of what this. 2257 01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:54.560 Team is doing, that feels like easy money. But as 2258 01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:57.159 you mentioned, I mean, this game is just chaotic. I 2259 01:47:57.199 --> 01:47:58.239 don't know that you can. 2260 01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:01.720 Predict anything about this game. Anything that you know about 2261 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:03.680 it can go out the window. And you know what 2262 01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:06.600 if Utah decided to play up to his potential, right, like, 2263 01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:09.319 what if all of a sudden things can happen, it 2264 01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:12.560 becomes much more of a difficult game in my opinion, 2265 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:15.000 because I think, you know, we go back to this 2266 01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:16.680 all the time, right, Like we talked about in the 2267 01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:18.680 beginning of the season, it's like, oh, on paper, this 2268 01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:21.279 team is this and that, and we project the team, 2269 01:48:22.119 --> 01:48:24.560 there's still that same team on paper, right, Yeah, you 2270 01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:26.920 don't have cameras uprising, you don't have a few of 2271 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:30.520 these other players who have been lost to injuries. But 2272 01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:34.119 at the same time, there's still a level of talent 2273 01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:35.159 that Utah has. 2274 01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:36.600 That doesn't mean. 2275 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:37.720 That they're just suddenly going to roll over. 2276 01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:38.000 Right. 2277 01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:40.800 We see this in college football every single week where 2278 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.800 Florida last weekend was leading Georgia for some time. And 2279 01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:47.720 it doesn't matter what season you're having, a rivalry game 2280 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:50.760 is going to be difficult. So yeah, on the surface, 2281 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:52.560 I honestly think that this is a b why used 2282 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.600 game to win, right. I don't think anybody is expecting 2283 01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:57.359 anything different, but just the way that these two teams 2284 01:48:57.359 --> 01:48:59.520 play each other, the fact that it's at Rice Cycle 2285 01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:01.880 Stadium him, you know, the fact that there is still 2286 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:03.880 tell him on this Utah roster. And if people are 2287 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:06.560 bought in and they want to be able to use 2288 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:09.319 this as kind of a galvanizing moment for this team, 2289 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:12.840 you know, anything's possible. So personally, I would never bet 2290 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:15.680 on this game because I don't think it's It would 2291 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:18.199 be too stressful for me to watch my money kind 2292 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:20.840 of fade away because I know I probably picked the 2293 01:49:20.920 --> 01:49:22.079 wrong way no matter what. 2294 01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:25.399 But yeah, I'm the surface. This is a BYU win, 2295 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:26.279 but I don't know that. 2296 01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.800 It's going to be as clear cut as as many 2297 01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:30.960 stink though I wouldn't be surprised to be why you 2298 01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:31.880 could make it that way. 2299 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:35.039 Yeah, and it really never is the way people think. 2300 01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:38.920 I've learned that over the years. I rarely levy a prediction. 2301 01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:41.239 Of course, it's part of our jobs. So we'll give 2302 01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:43.680 you our predictions before we sat off air on Friday. 2303 01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:46.640 But let's dig into some Utah stuff here for a moment. 2304 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:50.399 We're doing the QB thing, Josh, We're doing the QB thing. 2305 01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:53.640 We just had Klanie on and I asked him if 2306 01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:55.760 not knowing who's underst my guess is they have a 2307 01:49:55.800 --> 01:50:00.159 general idea. I asked him if this dynamic affects there 2308 01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:02.479 game planning, and he said, the nice Kali thing, how 2309 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:04.600 they're gonna have to over prepare for both the coach 2310 01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:07.840 speak that you would expect. So give me, give me 2311 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:11.199 the Josh Furlong gut feel about who's going to be 2312 01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:13.199 under center, and how do you think this process is 2313 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:14.199 going to play out this week? 2314 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:19.359 To me, it's it's trending towards Brandon Rose, and I 2315 01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:21.479 think they just are trying to look for a spark 2316 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:23.239 and trying to get somebody that maybe has a little 2317 01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:25.880 bit more experience under their belt, and experience being a 2318 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:29.319 very loose term there, knowing that he's had essentially two 2319 01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:32.399 quarters of play. But to me, that's just kind of 2320 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:34.800 the direction that they're trying to go with. I don't 2321 01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:36.840 know how that's going to play out, right, because you 2322 01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:40.920 have to be pretty dang sure that Brandon is going 2323 01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:43.000 to be or at least give you a better spark 2324 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:44.720 than what Isaac was going to do. If not, you 2325 01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:48.279 shadow your confidence, you kind of hurt the team's Moraley 2326 01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:50.640 even more because you had a quarterback in the future. 2327 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:52.560 What does that mean? I just I just. 2328 01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:55.600 Think there's a lot at play here, and I understand, 2329 01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:58.039 you know, Utah's trying to do whatever they can to 2330 01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:00.439 win now, and maybe that's Isaac Wilson, and maybe that's 2331 01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:04.199 Brandon Rose. Ultimately it's up to them to decide. But 2332 01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:07.279 this is a tricky territory, right. You've got to be 2333 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:10.880 able to not just go with your emotions. You've got 2334 01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:12.680 to go through with the analytics. You've got to look 2335 01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:14.640 at everything and see if this is the best course 2336 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:16.800 of action. For all we know, Brandon Rose could go 2337 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:18.560 out there sling the ball for three hundred and fifty 2338 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:20.399 yards and beat BYU by twenty points. 2339 01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:23.520 I doubt that. But this this. 2340 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:26.720 Becomes a very difficult challenge for Kyle, who already I 2341 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.159 don't want to say as a fractured roster, right, I 2342 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:31.640 don't think these guys are at each other's throats. 2343 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:32.359 And they don't like each other. 2344 01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:34.880 I don't believe that at all. But I think when 2345 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:38.279 you continually kind of mess around with that and mess 2346 01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:41.319 around with kind of that dynamic, that can open up 2347 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:45.119 a challenge where you lose guys because you know, maybe 2348 01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:47.840 one you know, maybe guys think this should happen, or 2349 01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:50.039 you lose your quarterback and you don't put confidence in. 2350 01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:53.600 It's not an easy situation, and I get frustrated that 2351 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.920 we have to continually have this QB dilemma. The reality 2352 01:51:57.039 --> 01:51:59.439 is is Utah really didn't prepare all that much for 2353 01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:02.159 it's about quarterback. Outside of cam raising. They put all 2354 01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:04.680 their eggs in that basket. We didn't really get a 2355 01:52:04.760 --> 01:52:07.439 chance to see who was behind, if Isaac clearly won 2356 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:09.199 the job, or if they just felt like they wanted 2357 01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:11.439 to project in the future and give him that confidence. 2358 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:14.960 And that's you know, that's a frustrating thing because now 2359 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.479 we're stuck, you know, ten weeks into the season trying 2360 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:19.560 to figure out who Utah has as a quarterback and 2361 01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:22.520 seeing if they can you know, do something with that, 2362 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.960 you know, and not really trying to gain momentum with 2363 01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:28.319 any other type of situation that they have. 2364 01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:32.760 So when you dig into the numbers, it still reflects 2365 01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:36.800 the defense that is generally speaking, maybe top three, top four. 2366 01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:38.439 Some metrics are a little better. 2367 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:41.840 The weird thing is the metrics that aren't very good 2368 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:44.640 defensively or the things they're typically really good at, namely 2369 01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:47.560 getting to the quarterback and forcing turnovers where they're lasting 2370 01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:51.239 the conference and fumbles recovered, but overall defense are second. 2371 01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:54.000 They're top three to four in both just your nuts 2372 01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:56.960 and bolts, your meat and potatoes of rushing past defense. 2373 01:52:57.000 --> 01:52:59.600 But they're not creating havoc plays and they're not getting 2374 01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:03.680 the quarter back defensively. What are you looking for coming 2375 01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:07.279 up on Saturday to limit a BYU offense that overall 2376 01:53:07.520 --> 01:53:10.680 is only trailing Texas Tech in average points per game. 2377 01:53:12.119 --> 01:53:12.319 Yeah. 2378 01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:15.079 I think that the biggest issue for this defense has 2379 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:17.600 just been its run defense, which sounds wild to think 2380 01:53:17.680 --> 01:53:20.760 because this is you know, Utah's bread and butter. They're 2381 01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:23.840 physical in the trenches, they stopped the run most years. 2382 01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:27.199 They're always, you know, top ten, top five in run defense, 2383 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:29.760 and so you've got to kind of pair that with 2384 01:53:29.800 --> 01:53:32.560 also their tackling. They've missed something like ninety tackles this year. 2385 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:35.680 I mean, it's been pretty bad for a team that 2386 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:38.800 prides itself so much on that. So to me, you know, 2387 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:41.399 regardless of what BYU does, is they've got to find 2388 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.399 a way to stop the run. Then you can play 2389 01:53:43.399 --> 01:53:45.359 the other areas of the game and try to kind 2390 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:46.640 of dictate it the way that you want. 2391 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:49.359 I think this defense is up to the challenge. 2392 01:53:49.479 --> 01:53:51.640 I don't think that Jake Rehtslaf is such a mobile 2393 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:55.119 quarterback that Utah is worried that he's going to escape 2394 01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:57.560 the pocket like you know Xeon Christ did against Houston 2395 01:53:57.760 --> 01:53:59.880 or with Houston or maybe some of these other quarter 2396 01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:02.960 But that's not to say that this BYU team can't run. 2397 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:04.960 I think they've shown that they've been able to have 2398 01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:07.279 that ability. They've got a bunch of guys that can 2399 01:54:07.319 --> 01:54:10.000 do it, and if Utah can't figure that out, it 2400 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:12.199 doesn't really matter what else is going on, right Like, 2401 01:54:12.479 --> 01:54:15.479 they'll find they'll find their opportunities in the passing game. 2402 01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:18.359 You know, redslav has has shown his ability to do 2403 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:21.039 you know what he needs to to manage the game 2404 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:24.079 and help everything. But if Utah can't stop the run, 2405 01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:26.079 I don't know that they have a chance, right don't. 2406 01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:29.399 I just don't know that this is a situation where 2407 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:31.399 Utah can come out of that feeling confident if they 2408 01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:34.119 can't get that run and get that physicality. Knowing that 2409 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:35.960 BYU is going to absolutely try to do the same 2410 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:38.199 thing they're going to try to establish that run. They're 2411 01:54:38.199 --> 01:54:40.520 going to try to maintain that physicality and keep that 2412 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:43.760 momentum going. So to me, the trench play and the 2413 01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:46.279 run defense is really kind of the tone of the game, 2414 01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:48.000 especially on that defensive side of the ball. 2415 01:54:48.840 --> 01:54:52.000 So what do you so, what do you think the 2416 01:54:52.159 --> 01:54:52.800 message is? 2417 01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:57.079 It's tough, Josh, because as you know, there's nothing that 2418 01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:01.199 can happen over the final four games to change where 2419 01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:05.720 this season will end for Utah football. Like, the only 2420 01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:09.039 thing worse than playing in a throwaway bowl game is 2421 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:12.079 not being eligible for one. I guess so, and there's 2422 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:15.319 a world that if they don't win Saturday, you know, 2423 01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:17.479 they may not get Bowl eligible because they have to 2424 01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:19.560 go to Boulder, they host Iowa State. I mean, as 2425 01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:21.680 you we were going to do our Big twelve power 2426 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:24.439 rankings today and I was like, all right, b YU won, 2427 01:55:24.560 --> 01:55:26.680 then everyone else is tied in an area that I 2428 01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:29.439 don't even know, right, Like, it's just you don't know 2429 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:32.199 week in and week out. But if you're a coach 2430 01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:35.680 with if you'r Morgan Scalley, sure if everybody up there, 2431 01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:38.760 you know, as you know, Josh, you pull up Utah's roster, 2432 01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:43.000 you see California, Florida, Texas. You see a lot of 2433 01:55:43.079 --> 01:55:46.159 kids that didn't grow up here and therefore this rivalry 2434 01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:49.800 was not part of their upbringing, and a lot of them, probably, 2435 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:53.119 you know, don't fully understand how big this game is 2436 01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:55.600 for a lot of people in the community. But if 2437 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:58.760 you can be great for one day, if you can 2438 01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:02.119 be great for one game and lead Utah to a 2439 01:56:02.199 --> 01:56:05.439 win over BYU, You're always remembered in a different way. 2440 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:09.680 It's it's Brandon's block. And you know, we could all 2441 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:12.119 give you twenty five different names from both sides that 2442 01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:15.560 have stood out as legends because of one moment, you know, 2443 01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:19.079 So it is that the tone and tenor that you 2444 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:21.640 set this week to help these young men understand, Like, yes, 2445 01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:25.760 it's been disappointing. We're not going to win the conference championship, 2446 01:56:25.800 --> 01:56:28.119 we're not going to CFP. All the things we thought 2447 01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:29.920 we could do are not on the table. But for 2448 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:32.720 one day at least, you can change the way this 2449 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:35.159 football community feels about you as a player and us 2450 01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:38.239 as a team with one big performance against our rival, Like, 2451 01:56:38.359 --> 01:56:39.640 is that. 2452 01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:41.520 What's at stake for Utah on Saturday? 2453 01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:42.720 Oh? 2454 01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.399 Absolutely, I mean I think regardless of where these guys 2455 01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:48.439 come from. They understand that this game matters, right. Tam 2456 01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:50.520 Rising was talking about this at the very beginning of 2457 01:56:50.560 --> 01:56:53.119 the season on how much he hates THEYU and that's 2458 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.560 unfortunate that he'll never get a chance to play BYU. 2459 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.359 But I think that carries down to all these other players. 2460 01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:00.800 They understand that, they understand that this is a big deal. 2461 01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:04.600 But at the same time, this becomes even bigger because 2462 01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:06.680 of what the season has been. You know, if you 2463 01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:08.880 can go through this terrible season where you're four and 2464 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:13.319 four and your rivals are out there, you know, pumping 2465 01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:16.199 their chests and doing all this stuff, and they're eight 2466 01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:18.720 and o coming into this game, you go beat them? 2467 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.520 What better bragging rights you have? 2468 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:20.800 Right? 2469 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:22.319 You just ruined their season and. 2470 01:57:22.279 --> 01:57:25.560 They'll still probably get to a big twelve championship game 2471 01:57:25.600 --> 01:57:28.119 and probably still have a better season. But what better 2472 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:31.560 way to just go out with this knowing that, Okay, yeah, 2473 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:34.680 you're preserving a potential opportunity to go to a Bowl game, 2474 01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:36.760 and yeah, you know a lot of guys will probably 2475 01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:38.640 opt out, but at least he still gave them a chance. 2476 01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:41.479 But what better way than to just beat your rival 2477 01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:44.319 and rub that in like even on your down years, 2478 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:46.199 you were still able to beat your rivals. Like that 2479 01:57:46.359 --> 01:57:51.079 just hurts, and so I think this becomes ARGUAB League 2480 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:56.279 the most important game on Utah schedule this season. Coming 2481 01:57:56.319 --> 01:57:57.800 into the season, I don't know that this would have 2482 01:57:57.840 --> 01:58:00.439 been the case other than just your typical rivalries. 2483 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:02.359 But I think this has to be it. 2484 01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:05.279 Right if you can't get a win over BYU, and 2485 01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:08.159 that's a tall task on its own, but if you 2486 01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:10.640 can't get a win over BYU, I just don't know 2487 01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:14.840 where Utah goes after this. I think it further cements 2488 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.239 utah struggles. It further causes a division and kind of 2489 01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:20.279 the fan base and the team and kind of where 2490 01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:23.640 they're at. And so this becomes kind of an all 2491 01:58:23.680 --> 01:58:26.159 in type scenario. You've put all the chips on the table. 2492 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:29.840 You're hoping that it goes red and that you can 2493 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:31.840 win some money and kind of carry that on to 2494 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:32.520 the next round. 2495 01:58:32.640 --> 01:58:34.359 But I don't know. 2496 01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:37.720 I love the winner take all stakes kind of mentality 2497 01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:39.760 that this can be for Utah, but they have to 2498 01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:42.319 approach it that way or else you know it's going 2499 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:45.279 to be BYU, and it's just going to be more 2500 01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:47.600 proof that you aren't able to get the job. 2501 01:58:47.479 --> 01:58:50.760 Done BYU does get to the quarterback and they do 2502 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:54.039 create havoc plays. I read this stat and it's smacked 2503 01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:58.159 me across the face BYUS outscored their opponents sixty nine 2504 01:58:58.239 --> 01:59:03.119 to ten off of turnovers. Like that's nuts plus eighteen. 2505 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:06.439 That's six in the country. Fourteen picks is third. So 2506 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:09.119 this does come down to how do you attack that 2507 01:59:09.239 --> 01:59:13.279 defense when you whether it's Brandon or Isaac, neither have 2508 01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:17.159 shown the ability to really dissect the secondary or go 2509 01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:19.640 for like three point fifty. So I'm assuming we're going 2510 01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:23.399 to see a healthy dose of mackay so dissect that 2511 01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:25.720 a little bit. Run game utah Zo line, which has 2512 01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:29.279 been good but not great and really good at times, 2513 01:59:29.279 --> 01:59:32.079 but you know, sometimes left wanting a little bit. How 2514 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:35.000 do you think Mike bijaking and this offense goes about 2515 01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:38.159 attacking a defense that causes havoc every single week? 2516 01:59:39.520 --> 01:59:42.680 Yeah, that's a that's a really fascinating thing that I'm 2517 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:45.479 curious to see because they haven't really been able to 2518 01:59:45.479 --> 01:59:47.720 do it much this year. And if Isaac's back there, 2519 01:59:48.199 --> 01:59:49.880 you know b Wau's going to load up that box 2520 01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:51.199 and really put a ton of pressure on it. 2521 01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:53.279 I don't know that they don't do that with Brandon 2522 01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:53.800 rod either. 2523 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:57.199 But if Utah and do things to kind of get creative, 2524 01:59:57.279 --> 01:59:59.920 get outside of that, you know, open up the pocket 2525 02:00:00.039 --> 02:00:01.880 a little bit more to make it easier. 2526 02:00:02.319 --> 02:00:04.000 I think that gives you tah chance. 2527 02:00:04.399 --> 02:00:06.560 If they continue to run the same things where they're 2528 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:09.239 inside zone, run it up the middle a million times 2529 02:00:09.279 --> 02:00:11.279 and hope to you know, pray that you get something. 2530 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:13.319 I don't know that that's your answer. That's not to 2531 02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:15.520 say that it can't, but you have to have more 2532 02:00:15.560 --> 02:00:18.079 than Mackay Bernard. You have to mix in a Jalen Glover. 2533 02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:20.520 You have to mix in maybe a Djon Stanley, Mike Mitchell. 2534 02:00:20.880 --> 02:00:23.359 You have to be creative in this front because anything 2535 02:00:23.359 --> 02:00:26.039 that you've done are ready this season is just pretty 2536 02:00:26.079 --> 02:00:28.159 vanilla and it's not going to it's not. 2537 02:00:28.039 --> 02:00:30.680 Going to be the answer. BYU has scouted it, they've 2538 02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:31.720 got staff. 2539 02:00:31.399 --> 02:00:35.000 That knows Kyle Whittingham's you know, offense, defense inside and out. 2540 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:37.439 And so you have to come into this game almost 2541 02:00:37.479 --> 02:00:41.079 rewriting the playbook, letting Bajakan be a little bit more creative, 2542 02:00:41.439 --> 02:00:43.920 or else you're going to be snuffed out really quickly. 2543 02:00:44.119 --> 02:00:46.119 And then all of a sudden, you know that QB 2544 02:00:46.199 --> 02:00:49.640 play turns into turnovers and then all that stuff. A 2545 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:51.359 lot of people want to talk about, Oh, BYU has 2546 02:00:51.399 --> 02:00:54.520 been lucky that they've gen Alliad's turnovers, and maybe there's 2547 02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:57.159 some of that, but I think you breathe luck for yourself, right, 2548 02:00:57.439 --> 02:01:00.199 you get that there was a couple of years where 2549 02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:02.159 a couple of years ago, USC kind of did that. 2550 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:04.760 Everybody's like, there's no way that they can continue this going, 2551 02:01:05.319 --> 02:01:07.800 and they continue to get all these turnovers and the 2552 02:01:07.840 --> 02:01:10.680 season kept flipping in their direction. I think when you 2553 02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:13.239 have momentum on your side, that kind of breeds that. 2554 02:01:13.760 --> 02:01:16.000 And so if Utah can't do anything to kind of 2555 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:20.279 mix it up and be a little bit more dynamic, 2556 02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:22.279 this is going to be a real struggle. And then 2557 02:01:22.359 --> 02:01:25.840 suddenly you're now facing these turnovers where you're either blocking 2558 02:01:25.880 --> 02:01:28.720 u pont or you're forcing fumbles or you're forcing interceptions. 2559 02:01:29.000 --> 02:01:30.840 And now be what you has all the momentum in 2560 02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:33.880 your home stadium, you've got that crowd quiet, and you 2561 02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:36.439 lose that game pretty quickly. So to me, you have 2562 02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:38.840 to be pretty dynamic. You have to do something that's different, 2563 02:01:38.840 --> 02:01:41.159 that be what you haven't seen or else. This becomes 2564 02:01:41.159 --> 02:01:42.359 a real challenge for you though. 2565 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:46.880 How healthy, to your knowledge is Utah football outside of 2566 02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:47.640 Camon Rising. 2567 02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:50.720 That's that's a tough one. 2568 02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:54.239 Utah has lost some offensive linemen and so that's going 2569 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:56.279 to be a challenge to see how they blend together. 2570 02:01:56.720 --> 02:02:01.079 You've lost Money Parks, you know, this comes a difficult 2571 02:02:01.159 --> 02:02:03.800 test on the offensive side of the ball where you know, 2572 02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:06.800 especially Money, who's been able to spread the field. You 2573 02:02:06.840 --> 02:02:09.199 don't have that guy. Now you have Dorian Singer, but 2574 02:02:09.479 --> 02:02:13.159 that's really easy for somebody like Byu to to bracket 2575 02:02:13.199 --> 02:02:16.760 him or do whatever they need to to stop him. Defensively, 2576 02:02:16.840 --> 02:02:18.920 you've got to be able to get your defensive line 2577 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:21.960 of you know connected. You've got to have Karennie Reid 2578 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:23.800 back on the field, and he's been there, but you've 2579 02:02:23.800 --> 02:02:26.119 got to make sure he's healthy. If though, none of 2580 02:02:26.119 --> 02:02:28.800 those pieces come together, this becomes an even bigger challenge 2581 02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:33.000 for Utah. I think they're, you know, trending towards a healthy, 2582 02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:36.640 healthy unit and that they'll be okay, but it's it's 2583 02:02:36.800 --> 02:02:39.520 not as ideal as what you'd expect coming into this game. 2584 02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:42.439 Knowing how well b Whatyu is playing now knowing how 2585 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:45.119 well that defense is playing, and knowing that this is 2586 02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:47.239 going to be a tall task no matter what happens. 2587 02:02:47.800 --> 02:02:50.560 A lot of reference during his media the counter pay 2588 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:54.199 is most likely not playing and looks like Cody Epps 2589 02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:56.119 will be out as well. But man, that wide receiver 2590 02:02:56.199 --> 02:03:01.119 room sure seems deep. All right, Josh. I want to 2591 02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:03.319 be careful here because I feel like the narrative has 2592 02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:05.520 gotten a little out of control, that it's just going 2593 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:09.199 to be blue in the stadium on Saturday. But I 2594 02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:10.920 will say that I've heard from more than a few 2595 02:03:10.920 --> 02:03:13.399 people that have sold their tickets are nervous, do not 2596 02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:16.439 want to be there In the case of BYU run 2597 02:03:16.439 --> 02:03:18.920 in a salt lake and smack in the utes. You've 2598 02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:20.920 got a poltse on this fan base. How do you 2599 02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:22.279 think it's going to look and how do you think 2600 02:03:22.279 --> 02:03:23.920 it's gonna feel? How do you think it's going to sound. 2601 02:03:23.960 --> 02:03:26.000 It's eight fifteen, it's going to be cold, it's a 2602 02:03:26.039 --> 02:03:28.479 four and fourteen. What do you what do you anticipate 2603 02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:30.800 as far as you'd fans shown out on Saturday night? 2604 02:03:32.119 --> 02:03:35.600 Yeah, I think early on, you know, especially as Utah 2605 02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:38.359 lost to Houston and stuff, there was an initial reaction 2606 02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:40.399 that I'm just going to sell my tickets. I don't 2607 02:03:40.439 --> 02:03:42.279 really care. Let be what you you know what I mean. 2608 02:03:42.760 --> 02:03:45.720 But I think as kind of those games went down, 2609 02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:47.199 you want to be there, right. You want to be 2610 02:03:47.199 --> 02:03:49.079 a part of that action. You want to be able 2611 02:03:49.119 --> 02:03:51.760 to make sure that you're loud and representing your team. 2612 02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:53.920 At the end of the day, this becomes one of 2613 02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:56.319 the biggest games on the schedule, and so you want 2614 02:03:56.319 --> 02:03:59.199 to make sure that you represent them. I still think 2615 02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:02.279 that it'll only be a pro Utah crowd, but I 2616 02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:04.079 wouldn't be surprised to see a ton of blue there 2617 02:04:04.159 --> 02:04:06.039 right Like those BAU fans are going to buy up 2618 02:04:06.039 --> 02:04:09.880 every available ticket that they possibly can. I think there's 2619 02:04:10.159 --> 02:04:14.880 a real potential here for this to be as close 2620 02:04:14.920 --> 02:04:16.560 to a fifty to fifty crowd as you can get 2621 02:04:16.600 --> 02:04:18.640 in a home stadium. I don't know that it'll be 2622 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:20.600 quite that, but you know, b what you is going 2623 02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:21.840 to show out and they're going to try to do 2624 02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:26.520 whatever they can to minimize what Utah does. So I'm 2625 02:04:26.640 --> 02:04:28.479 kind of fascinated to see what it is. I still 2626 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:30.800 think there's a large majority of Utah fans that are 2627 02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:33.840 going to maintain their tickets and stick with the game. 2628 02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:36.720 But it's hard not to blame them for wanting to 2629 02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:37.920 sell it given what's happened. 2630 02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:40.079 Yeah, no, I'm with you all right. 2631 02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:41.760 Before I set you loose, just give me a quick 2632 02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:45.119 thought because lost in well, the busiest time on the 2633 02:04:45.159 --> 02:04:49.399 sporting calendar is the Utah men's basketball team gets rolling 2634 02:04:49.399 --> 02:04:52.960 tonight Alcorn States, And certainly for me, I've got to 2635 02:04:53.000 --> 02:04:54.880 dig in a little bit more. I've been pretty football 2636 02:04:54.960 --> 02:04:58.600 centric and you know, jazz stuff, But just generally speaking, 2637 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:00.960 what is there to expect from this team? They're picked 2638 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:02.399 to finish last in the Big Twelve? 2639 02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:05.399 Yeah, I mean, I think this is a team that 2640 02:05:06.319 --> 02:05:10.359 has potential to be kind of the roster that Craig 2641 02:05:10.439 --> 02:05:14.199 Smith wants, right. I don't know that it's going to 2642 02:05:14.239 --> 02:05:16.239 be as good as last year, especially in a Big 2643 02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:19.159 twelve that it's going to feature several talented teams, But 2644 02:05:19.239 --> 02:05:20.920 I think if they can kind of hit on the 2645 02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:24.560 right things, they're definitely not the last place team there 2646 02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:27.800 is potentially could be, but I think they have potential. 2647 02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:31.399 They've got some good shooting, they move the ball around well. Defensively, 2648 02:05:31.439 --> 02:05:34.239 they seemingly always get in that mix with a Craigsmith team. 2649 02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:36.600 I just think it's really going to come down to 2650 02:05:36.680 --> 02:05:38.279 if they can share the ball, if they can move 2651 02:05:38.319 --> 02:05:42.279 it around and hit their shots. You know, I don't 2652 02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:46.720 know yet that this is a team that will really 2653 02:05:46.760 --> 02:05:48.680 make a lot of noise. But I don't think they're 2654 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:50.640 going to be as terrible as many think they are either. 2655 02:05:51.640 --> 02:05:53.960 All right, buddy, well, I appreciate your time. Should be 2656 02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:55.640 a fun week, so keep up the good work and 2657 02:05:55.640 --> 02:05:56.239 we'll chat soon. 2658 02:05:57.359 --> 02:05:59.399 Sound great man, Appreciate it all right. 2659 02:05:59.479 --> 02:06:03.680 Josh Covers University, University of Utah for our friends at KSL. 2660 02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:07.600 You can check them out on Twitter at JFERKSL is 2661 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:08.760 where you find them. 2662 02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:11.880 Two your Internet. 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We brought that back around, as we are 2673 02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:41.920 often want to do on Mondays during the college football season. 2674 02:06:41.960 --> 02:06:45.039 Of course, it is rival re week. Say it slowly. 2675 02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:47.960 You're talking into a mike this week, if you're on radio, 2676 02:06:48.600 --> 02:06:50.920 if you're on TV doing a little podcasting, you got 2677 02:06:51.039 --> 02:06:54.159 to say it slowly. Don't get daffy ducked. So of 2678 02:06:54.199 --> 02:06:56.399 course that's gonna be the bulk of the coverage this week. 2679 02:06:56.439 --> 02:06:59.640 Of course, other things going on as well. Monday Night 2680 02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:02.800 foot gets going tonight to wrap up Week nine of 2681 02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:05.600 Pro football with the Chiefs and the Bucks live at Arrowhead. 2682 02:07:06.119 --> 02:07:08.159 But this is a big one, as it is every year. 2683 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:11.880 It's been three years since they've played, BYU breaking a 2684 02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:15.680 nine game losing streak last time around. BYU has not 2685 02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:19.239 won in Salt Lake since two thousand and six. This 2686 02:07:19.439 --> 02:07:22.720 is the one hundred and second time these two teams 2687 02:07:22.720 --> 02:07:25.720 have played, but the first time since twenty eighteen that 2688 02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:30.359 the game has been here at Riiseco Stadium. So doing 2689 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:32.199 a bunch of different things, I want to remind you 2690 02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:35.399 if you're a youth fan heading to the game on Saturday, 2691 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:38.560 download the official mobile app of Utah Athletics. It's called 2692 02:07:38.680 --> 02:07:42.439 Utah three sixty that has all your game day information. 2693 02:07:42.680 --> 02:07:44.800 You can download your tickets and your parking pass right 2694 02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:49.439 on your phone. Military Appreciation Night coming up on Saturday night. 2695 02:07:50.039 --> 02:07:53.520 And obviously, as we've discussed all day and we'll continue 2696 02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:55.640 to discuss throughout the course of the week to get 2697 02:07:55.680 --> 02:07:58.079 you ready for this game, a lot at stake for 2698 02:07:58.119 --> 02:07:59.119 both teams. 2699 02:07:58.760 --> 02:07:59.560 In different ways. 2700 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:03.880 So kind opened up BYU opened up as a five 2701 02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.560 point favorite, and it pretty quickly moved down to four. 2702 02:08:07.720 --> 02:08:10.880 Now I thought it would continue to move. I'll be 2703 02:08:10.960 --> 02:08:13.079 honest as I tell you do not gamble on sports. 2704 02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:14.640 You work too hard for your money, keep it in 2705 02:08:14.640 --> 02:08:16.680 your bank account, keep it in your pockets. 2706 02:08:17.119 --> 02:08:20.439 But for a rivalry game, for the road team to. 2707 02:08:20.640 --> 02:08:24.079 Essentially have Vegas tell all of us they're about eight 2708 02:08:24.119 --> 02:08:29.479 points better than Utah because Vegas builds in three typically 2709 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:34.279 for the home stadium advantage, and all of us understanding 2710 02:08:34.279 --> 02:08:37.439 how this game typically goes five felt like a spread 2711 02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:43.079 people would jump on, but they haven't moving over moving 2712 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:43.840 only one point. 2713 02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.720 That tells you that people that do this, like there. 2714 02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:49.680 Are people that actually gamble essentially for a living, and 2715 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:52.079 dig in to all of these lines to try to 2716 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:54.720 find out as a wise guy, how you can affect 2717 02:08:54.760 --> 02:08:56.920 the line or where your money should go. There's not 2718 02:08:57.079 --> 02:08:59.880 a lot of action as of now on Utah by 2719 02:09:00.119 --> 02:09:03.039 you essentially indicating that line is about right according to 2720 02:09:03.079 --> 02:09:05.199 how people think this is going to go. So as 2721 02:09:05.199 --> 02:09:07.279 we've been talking about all day, and if you miss 2722 02:09:07.279 --> 02:09:09.079 coach with from earlier, go to our website. 2723 02:09:09.119 --> 02:09:11.520 It's ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. 2724 02:09:12.319 --> 02:09:14.520 Utah is gonna do the same quarterback thing where they're 2725 02:09:14.520 --> 02:09:18.039 gonna not announce who's gonna start. It's gonna be Brandon Rose, 2726 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:21.039 Isaac Wilson, according to what we've been told, that will 2727 02:09:21.680 --> 02:09:24.199 receive the reps with the ones, and then we'll probably 2728 02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:27.039 all find out when Utah runs out to take the 2729 02:09:27.039 --> 02:09:30.520 field for their first offensive possession. Josh Furlong, hawked on 2730 02:09:30.600 --> 02:09:34.359 earlier outlined some injuries that may of course hinder the 2731 02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:36.800 University of Utah because it feels like that's just the 2732 02:09:36.840 --> 02:09:39.399 deal has been for quite some time along the O line. 2733 02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:42.680 I cannot speak to it. I don't know for BYU 2734 02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:45.399 side of things. Connor Pay, who's their starting center, has 2735 02:09:45.399 --> 02:09:48.560 been out for a while. Calotti said it's unlikely he's 2736 02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:51.399 going to play in Cody Apps who just poor kid 2737 02:09:51.439 --> 02:09:54.079 can't stay healthy but has not been really one of 2738 02:09:54.199 --> 02:09:56.880 Jake's favorite targets. Looks like Cody's gonna be out as well. 2739 02:09:57.399 --> 02:10:01.399 And on BYU side, if you pay attention to landscape 2740 02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:04.000 of the Big Twelve, some good news occurred for them 2741 02:10:04.119 --> 02:10:06.920 over the weekend because essentially, you know, over the past 2742 02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:11.840 couple of weeks, as Utah's season has gone south ironically enough, 2743 02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:14.880 and BYU season has done the exact opposite. I feel 2744 02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:18.720 like the conversation around this game BYU Utah has been 2745 02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:22.720 essentially Okay, this is Utah's chance to spoil BYU's Big 2746 02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:24.199 Twelve championship chances. 2747 02:10:24.680 --> 02:10:25.680 That's off the table. 2748 02:10:26.600 --> 02:10:29.319 This is not an elimination game for Brigham Young by 2749 02:10:29.560 --> 02:10:32.800 any means. In fact, there's a world that BYU goes 2750 02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:34.720 two and two in their final four and still goes 2751 02:10:34.760 --> 02:10:38.359 to Dallas to play for the Big Twelve championship. Texas Tech, 2752 02:10:38.399 --> 02:10:40.319 we told you, we gave you that game on Friday. 2753 02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:43.600 Texas Tech was able to up NI with state names, 2754 02:10:43.600 --> 02:10:47.479 so they're they're not clean anymore. BYU's the only clean team, 2755 02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:50.800 and is Houston good question mark? Is anyone good question 2756 02:10:50.880 --> 02:10:53.079 mark in the Big Twelve? Or is everyone just bad. 2757 02:10:53.119 --> 02:10:55.239 I have no idea, but Houston got to win over 2758 02:10:55.319 --> 02:10:58.800 k State, and so there's a chance BYU could lose 2759 02:10:58.840 --> 02:11:00.399 a couple of games and still make get into the 2760 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:03.640 Big Twelve Championship game. Now as a result of the 2761 02:11:03.800 --> 02:11:08.119 unfortunate reality of what Big twelve football has turned into, 2762 02:11:08.239 --> 02:11:11.720 because I will I mean, look, honestly, I was hoping 2763 02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:15.439 two teams would separate themselves from the pack in order 2764 02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:17.920 to give this conference a chance to have two teams 2765 02:11:18.399 --> 02:11:21.479 or also to protect in the contingency because I thought 2766 02:11:21.680 --> 02:11:24.359 Utah would be where BYU is. I thought, as I've 2767 02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:26.720 said for the past couple of weeks, I get. 2768 02:11:26.600 --> 02:11:27.079 A lot wrong. 2769 02:11:27.119 --> 02:11:29.399 I don't know that I've ever been as wrong as 2770 02:11:29.439 --> 02:11:31.840 I've been about this Utah football team. But in the 2771 02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:35.000 case that Utah Football somehow could have done what we 2772 02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:37.079 thought that they would do and make it to Dallas 2773 02:11:37.079 --> 02:11:39.640 to play for a Big twelve championship, you know, should 2774 02:11:39.640 --> 02:11:41.640 they have been undefeated or with one loss, the hope 2775 02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:44.920 is the other team that they were playing also undefeated 2776 02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:47.840 one loss, so in the chance that Utah lost that game, 2777 02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:50.960 hopefully finding a seat for them in the CFP. Obviously, 2778 02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:53.800 that's completely off the table. But this is no longer 2779 02:11:53.880 --> 02:11:57.680 an elimination game for BYU. I mean, of course twelve 2780 02:11:57.680 --> 02:12:01.680 and ZO would be special. Any undefeated season is so difficult, 2781 02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:05.840 quite frankly, any level any sport, let alone college football. 2782 02:12:05.880 --> 02:12:09.479 I think SABAN had two undefeated teams that won national championships. 2783 02:12:09.479 --> 02:12:11.760 I mean, it just doesn't happen very often. 2784 02:12:12.560 --> 02:12:16.159 And I don't know what the CFP committee would do 2785 02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:19.439 with an undefeated BYU team coming out of the Big Twelve, 2786 02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:22.319 because it's clear that what happened over the weekend of 2787 02:12:22.359 --> 02:12:25.760 the Big Twelve forced this conference to take a bit 2788 02:12:25.800 --> 02:12:27.880 of a hit with the public sentiment for who people 2789 02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:30.560 think they are, and listening to a bunch of stuff 2790 02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:33.479 this morning to get ready for the show today, most 2791 02:12:33.479 --> 02:12:36.000 everybody's landed on that's a one bid league. The champ 2792 02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:39.159 gets in and that's it. And at this point I 2793 02:12:39.199 --> 02:12:43.279 don't see an avenue forward. I mean, if BYU gets 2794 02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:46.920 let's just play this game. If BYU gets to Dallas undefeated, 2795 02:12:47.600 --> 02:12:49.760 if they beat Utah, they beat Kansas, if they beat 2796 02:12:49.800 --> 02:12:53.159 Arizona State, if they beat Houston. By the way, ESPN's 2797 02:12:53.239 --> 02:12:55.680 FPI gives them an eight percent chance of doing that, 2798 02:12:55.720 --> 02:12:59.199 and I'm sure they're just analyzing the conference and trying 2799 02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:01.479 to dig through the minutia to. 2800 02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:02.760 Find out what's real and what's not. 2801 02:13:02.880 --> 02:13:05.319 We were going to do our Big twelve power rankings today, 2802 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:06.680 but as I told. 2803 02:13:06.479 --> 02:13:07.600 Porter, I'm like, what's the point. 2804 02:13:08.399 --> 02:13:11.119 The Big twelve power rankings today sound like this BYU 2805 02:13:11.239 --> 02:13:13.279 was one and everybody else is tied for I have 2806 02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:16.760 no clue because that's just kind of the deal. There 2807 02:13:16.760 --> 02:13:19.840 were eight undefeated teams when we last spoke on Friday, 2808 02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:22.079 and as of today, there are five, and of course 2809 02:13:22.159 --> 02:13:23.399 BYU's one of them. 2810 02:13:23.640 --> 02:13:24.840 They stayed nine in the poll. 2811 02:13:25.000 --> 02:13:27.520 Indiana moved up because they continue to stay cleaning with 2812 02:13:27.560 --> 02:13:32.520 the win over Michigan State. But if BYU goes to 2813 02:13:32.720 --> 02:13:39.279 Dallas undefeated and Iowa State has one loss, and Iowa 2814 02:13:39.279 --> 02:13:43.640 State beats BYU, does BYU have a chance to get in? 2815 02:13:43.800 --> 02:13:46.079 I don't think so, because the rest of the schedule 2816 02:13:46.359 --> 02:13:49.840 isn't that difficult. They've already played a pretty tough schedule, 2817 02:13:49.840 --> 02:13:51.640 one of the toughest schedules in the Big Twelve. 2818 02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:54.479 But I think that's the unfortunate reality. 2819 02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:57.279 Even if BYU is undefeated and they play a one 2820 02:13:57.520 --> 02:14:00.399 los Iowa State team, in Iowa State beats them, Iowa 2821 02:14:00.439 --> 02:14:03.840 State goes and I think BYU stays back. I mean 2822 02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:06.760 that's the problem with and look, we saw this in 2823 02:14:06.760 --> 02:14:08.840 the Pac Twelve in a way, the Big Twelve has 2824 02:14:08.920 --> 02:14:11.520 kind of proven to be as far as narratives there 2825 02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:15.039 are created by people to cover football in the conference, 2826 02:14:15.560 --> 02:14:18.800 it feels very similar, like more often than not, we're 2827 02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:22.800 trying to ascertain is the Pac twelve just bad? Are 2828 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:25.199 these just bad teams beating up on each other? Are 2829 02:14:25.239 --> 02:14:27.800 there one or two elite teams? I mean, Utah certainly 2830 02:14:27.800 --> 02:14:30.279 had a very very good team winning a couple of championships. 2831 02:14:30.800 --> 02:14:32.439 Are there one or two elite teams? 2832 02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:35.079 Or is it just a bunch of average teams that 2833 02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:36.920 are like beating up on each other. The Big Twelve 2834 02:14:36.960 --> 02:14:39.560 has kind of manifested itself that way, and most people 2835 02:14:39.560 --> 02:14:42.079 thought that it would. I was just hoping most people 2836 02:14:42.119 --> 02:14:45.840 were wrong, and certainly most people have been plenty wrong 2837 02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:48.920 about several things that have happened this year. I mean, 2838 02:14:49.039 --> 02:14:53.640 Oklahoma State, along with Utah and k State, were a 2839 02:14:53.720 --> 02:14:56.800 top most of the preseason polls, and Oklahoma State can 2840 02:14:56.840 --> 02:14:58.760 win a football game no matter. 2841 02:14:58.560 --> 02:15:00.000 Where they play. 2842 02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:03.560 The Gundy's record in Stillwater prior to the season was insane. 2843 02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:07.079 I mean, he never loses down there, and this year, 2844 02:15:07.159 --> 02:15:09.439 it doesn't matter who they play, doesn't matter where they played. 2845 02:15:09.479 --> 02:15:13.239 They cannot win a football game in conference. They lose 2846 02:15:13.279 --> 02:15:15.920 to Utah at home, they lose to West Virginia at home, 2847 02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:17.880 they lose to Arizona State at home. 2848 02:15:18.399 --> 02:15:20.880 They're zero to three at home in conference play. 2849 02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:24.039 It did be Arkansas earlier this year, but in conference 2850 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:27.239 play they have fallen flat on their face. So yes, 2851 02:15:27.479 --> 02:15:30.720 several things about this conference feels like they're completely flipped up, 2852 02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:35.039 flip up, flipped upside down. It's very much bizarro Seinfeld stuff. 2853 02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:38.600 As Byu wrote, who would have thought b Yu is 2854 02:15:38.640 --> 02:15:41.159 going to be the five point favorite? Now the line 2855 02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:43.359 is four over Utah to start the year. But that's 2856 02:15:43.359 --> 02:15:46.520 where we find ourselves. So for Byu, it's not as 2857 02:15:46.520 --> 02:15:48.600 clear cut as it was prior to the cast that 2858 02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:51.239 happened last week. They can lose on Saturday and they're 2859 02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:55.359 still likely to go to Dallas for Utah. Really, it 2860 02:15:55.399 --> 02:15:59.000 comes down to one opportunity, and yes, I know there 2861 02:15:59.039 --> 02:16:01.520 are other games, but Iowa State they will be here. 2862 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:05.199 It will not land the way Brigham Young will when 2863 02:16:05.279 --> 02:16:08.319 BYU rolls into town. It's a different game. Everybody that's 2864 02:16:08.319 --> 02:16:12.279 been around it knows it. There's a different level of pressure, 2865 02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:15.680 there's a different level of anxiety, there's a different level 2866 02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:20.000 of energy, and there's a different reward if you find 2867 02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:21.279 a way to be great for one day. 2868 02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:22.479 There just is. 2869 02:16:23.319 --> 02:16:26.800 We remember Brett Ratliffe, right, We remember Brandon Burton's block. 2870 02:16:26.920 --> 02:16:30.439 We remember those moments when a player has the ability 2871 02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:32.920 to find it within himself to be great for one 2872 02:16:32.959 --> 02:16:34.920 game and that game is against by U. When you 2873 02:16:34.959 --> 02:16:38.120 have a big game and you lead Utah to a win, 2874 02:16:39.159 --> 02:16:42.360 it will change the way the community feels currently about 2875 02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:43.079 this football team. 2876 02:16:43.120 --> 02:16:44.360 Now, we have to be honest. 2877 02:16:44.479 --> 02:16:48.680 Nothing will change the inevitable ending of what this season 2878 02:16:48.760 --> 02:16:49.280 is going to be. 2879 02:16:49.840 --> 02:16:53.000 It's either a throwaway bull or no bullet all. 2880 02:16:53.040 --> 02:16:55.079 As I've been saying all day, the only thing worse 2881 02:16:55.399 --> 02:16:59.959 as a college football program with expectations like Utah football had, 2882 02:17:00.319 --> 02:17:03.399 and they have high expectations. The only thing worse for 2883 02:17:03.440 --> 02:17:06.280 a football program that's used to winning conference championships and 2884 02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:09.639 playing in Rose Bowls. The only thing worse than playing 2885 02:17:09.680 --> 02:17:12.920 in a throwaway bowl game is not being eligible for one. 2886 02:17:13.559 --> 02:17:16.319 And there is a world where Utah football does not 2887 02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:20.159 go bowling if they don't win on Saturday at Boulder 2888 02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:23.719 Home against Iowa State on the road short week after 2889 02:17:23.760 --> 02:17:25.000 Thanksgiving in Orlando. 2890 02:17:25.159 --> 02:17:29.600 UCF Colorado's good. Iowa State I think is good UCF. 2891 02:17:29.639 --> 02:17:32.000 I'll put in a group of like ten teams like 2892 02:17:32.040 --> 02:17:33.920 I don't know, they can get you on any night, 2893 02:17:34.040 --> 02:17:35.280 or maybe you smoke them. 2894 02:17:35.840 --> 02:17:38.559 The problem is the data that we have in front 2895 02:17:38.600 --> 02:17:38.879 of us. 2896 02:17:39.840 --> 02:17:42.399 It just can't give you any confidence as far as 2897 02:17:42.520 --> 02:17:45.120 what we've seen from Utah football so far. It doesn't 2898 02:17:45.200 --> 02:17:48.239 mean it won't be different on Saturday, it doesn't mean 2899 02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:50.319 it can't be different for the final four games. 2900 02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:51.760 But trying to spin. 2901 02:17:51.639 --> 02:17:56.520 It any other way than really a horrible disappointment is disingenuous, 2902 02:17:56.760 --> 02:17:57.559 It's dishonest. 2903 02:17:57.600 --> 02:18:00.959 I can't do that. I'd like to. The data indicates 2904 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:01.719 the defense is. 2905 02:18:01.639 --> 02:18:05.120 Still like a top three maybe top four defense in 2906 02:18:05.159 --> 02:18:07.639 the Big twelve. I mean, most of their metrics are 2907 02:18:07.639 --> 02:18:12.600 really solid outside of getting to the quarterback and causing turnovers, 2908 02:18:12.639 --> 02:18:15.440 two things that BYU has been elite at this year. 2909 02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:18.760 In a way, and you'll hear from Kalani coming up. 2910 02:18:19.559 --> 02:18:23.559 What Kalade Satake has done is taking the mo of 2911 02:18:23.680 --> 02:18:25.760 Kyle Whittingham and he's out Utah. 2912 02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:27.280 Utah. 2913 02:18:27.600 --> 02:18:30.920 They're the ones creating turnovers, They're the ones getting the quarterback, 2914 02:18:31.319 --> 02:18:36.000 They're the ones that are causing havoc plays. BYUS outscored 2915 02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:39.280 opponents sixty nine to ten off of. 2916 02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:40.399 Turnovers this year. 2917 02:18:41.319 --> 02:18:44.000 You can be very reductive with rivalry games and just 2918 02:18:44.040 --> 02:18:46.760 talk about the turnover battle. Certainly that'll be paramount. But 2919 02:18:46.799 --> 02:18:48.959 if you want to talk about that BYU has been 2920 02:18:49.000 --> 02:18:53.360 ten times better than Utah at that dynamic of playing 2921 02:18:53.399 --> 02:18:55.399 football right now, I mean, there are very few things 2922 02:18:55.479 --> 02:18:58.399 right now that Utah is clearly better than than BYU, 2923 02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:02.719 making this very intriguing and making this an opportunity for 2924 02:19:02.959 --> 02:19:05.840 Utah football to show this fan base in this community 2925 02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:08.239 one more time this year, because look, call it how 2926 02:19:08.280 --> 02:19:10.959 it is. This is the biggest game left on Utah schedule. 2927 02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:13.399 I think the game in Boulder, which by the way, 2928 02:19:13.520 --> 02:19:16.600 that will start at ten am next Saturday, which is 2929 02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:19.319 kind of nice on Fox as opposed to these late games. 2930 02:19:19.840 --> 02:19:21.879 We have the UCF start time at six o'clock. We 2931 02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:24.840 still don't know the Iowa State start time. But this 2932 02:19:24.959 --> 02:19:29.120 game eight fifteen Saturday night pregame coverage will begin at 2933 02:19:29.120 --> 02:19:31.920 four to fifteen. Porter big I Osciata will have that 2934 02:19:31.959 --> 02:19:35.239 for you. Cast the Utah characters coming through. Check out 2935 02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:38.520 our tailgate starting early in the day, and then tune 2936 02:19:38.559 --> 02:19:40.680 in at four to fifteen. But this game Saturday Night 2937 02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:43.440 at eight fifteen, it's going to be chilly. Looks like 2938 02:19:43.479 --> 02:19:47.000 it'll be clear, which is nice. This is Utah's, in 2939 02:19:47.079 --> 02:19:49.719 my opinion, final chance this year to show up and 2940 02:19:49.760 --> 02:19:51.440 show out in front of this fan base that is 2941 02:19:51.479 --> 02:19:54.559 just waiting. You can feel it at every game. You 2942 02:19:54.600 --> 02:19:57.719 can feel that the top is about to blow every 2943 02:19:57.760 --> 02:19:59.920 single game. But you got to give him good football 2944 02:20:00.120 --> 02:20:03.200 cheer four and to me, Saturday night is an opportunity 2945 02:20:03.239 --> 02:20:06.959 for the Utes one more time to show against that team. 2946 02:20:07.280 --> 02:20:09.399 If you could be great one day, you're remembered in 2947 02:20:09.440 --> 02:20:10.360 this community forever. 2948 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:12.239 All right, wrapping it up. 2949 02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:15.399 When Dot she just do Quincy Jones bumps every day? Man, 2950 02:20:15.399 --> 02:20:17.719 I gotta say this has been kind of a groovy 2951 02:20:17.799 --> 02:20:18.319 bump day. 2952 02:20:18.440 --> 02:20:20.319 I'm kind of with you. As a result of his. 2953 02:20:20.360 --> 02:20:23.639 Massive catalog passing away at the age of ninety one, 2954 02:20:23.799 --> 02:20:26.879 a legend. If you've not seen the documentary, it's highly recommended. 2955 02:20:27.799 --> 02:20:30.639 Monday Night Football tonight. It will wrap up your week 2956 02:20:30.760 --> 02:20:33.920 nine in the NFL. Bummer about Zach just came across 2957 02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:36.319 the wires. Zach Moss injured neck. Looks like he's gonna 2958 02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:37.239 be sidelined for a while. 2959 02:20:37.319 --> 02:20:42.520 Yes, everting more information there. Obviously we friends of the program. 2960 02:20:42.959 --> 02:20:44.600 Zach is a friend of the program. 2961 02:20:44.239 --> 02:20:47.040 So we'll well, when you're filling in, Yeah, fair enough, 2962 02:20:47.079 --> 02:20:47.799 that's so dude. 2963 02:20:47.799 --> 02:20:48.280 You do that. 2964 02:20:48.440 --> 02:20:49.399 I know that you do that. 2965 02:20:49.799 --> 02:20:52.520 You save all your ute homies for when you're filling in. 2966 02:20:53.360 --> 02:20:56.440 I'll be really just Zach that like genuinely hops on 2967 02:20:56.479 --> 02:20:57.520 with me when I host. 2968 02:20:57.319 --> 02:20:59.840 But for a while, like I would be on vacation 2969 02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:01.280 and all of a sudden I get the rundown for 2970 02:21:01.319 --> 02:21:04.440 the show. It's like, Zach Moss, Eric Weddle, Britton Covey, I'm. 2971 02:21:04.360 --> 02:21:07.040 Like, what going on? That did happen one time? It 2972 02:21:07.079 --> 02:21:09.159 did happen one time? That's one too many, young man. 2973 02:21:10.719 --> 02:21:13.520 But anyway, Zach Zach Moss, Yeah, he'll be. 2974 02:21:13.559 --> 02:21:17.479 He'll be sidelined for a while, probably a multiple week thing. 2975 02:21:17.719 --> 02:21:19.920 And that's set a time when he's kind of fighting 2976 02:21:19.920 --> 02:21:23.319 for starting reps at the running back position. So bummer there, 2977 02:21:23.360 --> 02:21:26.200 but not the first time that that guy's fought through 2978 02:21:26.520 --> 02:21:28.879 injury and made it back and become a starter again. 2979 02:21:28.959 --> 02:21:29.680 So did you. 2980 02:21:29.639 --> 02:21:32.200 See did you see the video? I've got to say 2981 02:21:33.319 --> 02:21:34.479 good for Jason Kelsey. 2982 02:21:34.920 --> 02:21:36.440 Yes. So. 2983 02:21:36.879 --> 02:21:39.959 One of the things, and this is not a hot take, Okay, 2984 02:21:40.040 --> 02:21:42.760 a lot of people believe this. One of the things 2985 02:21:42.840 --> 02:21:45.879 that is the most bothersome element of society right now 2986 02:21:46.799 --> 02:21:50.319 is people. As Mike Tyson has said, the problem with 2987 02:21:50.440 --> 02:21:52.639 people now is you can say whatever you want to 2988 02:21:52.639 --> 02:21:54.799 to other others on the Internet without getting punched in 2989 02:21:54.840 --> 02:21:58.399 the face. And what you have are these And by 2990 02:21:58.440 --> 02:22:01.479 the way, I'm sorry, I can I cannot stand influencers. 2991 02:22:01.520 --> 02:22:03.159 I'm so over influencers. 2992 02:22:03.520 --> 02:22:06.319 So what you have are these people with cell phone 2993 02:22:06.360 --> 02:22:08.959 cameras in their hand trying to create a viral moment 2994 02:22:09.040 --> 02:22:14.680 by outwardly insulting others by saying horrible things about family members. 2995 02:22:15.239 --> 02:22:18.040 And look, Jason Kelsey addressed it tonight. And I'm not 2996 02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:20.920 one to advocate for hater violence, but in that moment, 2997 02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:24.200 to see that peon little influencer who was trying to 2998 02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:27.399 create the viral moment with his phone looking like he 2999 02:22:27.479 --> 02:22:29.719 was about to pee down his leg when Jason Kelsey 3000 02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:32.879 was in front of him. I got Jason Kelsey's back 3001 02:22:32.879 --> 02:22:33.360 on that one. 3002 02:22:33.479 --> 02:22:36.239 Yeah, I'm with you there, I'm with you there. Obviously, 3003 02:22:36.879 --> 02:22:43.200 it's it goes beyond like just trolling people in public. 3004 02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:45.959 We've gotten to a point now where people are like 3005 02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:49.120 harassing people in public to get views on their YouTube. 3006 02:22:49.559 --> 02:22:52.200 And yeah, I don't know why we're making some of 3007 02:22:52.200 --> 02:22:57.399 the people famous that are because they're like I don't 3008 02:22:57.440 --> 02:23:00.120 mean to be rude, but like little chubby kids and 3009 02:23:00.159 --> 02:23:02.440 their dads who say boom really loud, like as a 3010 02:23:02.479 --> 02:23:05.280 famous person because they go to Costco. I don't know 3011 02:23:05.280 --> 02:23:07.719 what the hell is going on with society, but I 3012 02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:12.639 think it's reflecting upon larger scale things. I'll just say that, 3013 02:23:12.680 --> 02:23:15.120 and I would like to, yes, move on, move on 3014 02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:15.520 from it. 3015 02:23:16.719 --> 02:23:19.600 Yeah, ultimately this is probably just the world now. And 3016 02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:22.360 I knew as soon as they monetize social media apps 3017 02:23:22.360 --> 02:23:24.760 there's no going back. Like people are legitimately paying their 3018 02:23:24.799 --> 02:23:28.879 bills off these social media accounts, which is okay. Just 3019 02:23:28.959 --> 02:23:33.760 go watch the documentary on the social network stuff. 3020 02:23:33.760 --> 02:23:35.280 What do they call it, the social dilemma? 3021 02:23:36.000 --> 02:23:38.120 And then when you understand the business models of the 3022 02:23:38.120 --> 02:23:41.200 people behind the scenes, part of this was ultimately to 3023 02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:45.879 allow people to monetize their presence on the platform, so 3024 02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:48.399 you couldn't do away with them, like we hear people 3025 02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:50.399 talking about, well we got to get rid of TikTok 3026 02:23:50.399 --> 02:23:51.600 because of the ties with China. 3027 02:23:51.959 --> 02:23:52.600 Good luck. 3028 02:23:53.239 --> 02:23:56.079 At this point, it's permeated in society where people are 3029 02:23:56.079 --> 02:23:58.280 paying their bills on the platforms, which is part of 3030 02:23:58.280 --> 02:23:58.879 the model, and. 3031 02:23:58.840 --> 02:24:01.120 It's not going anywhere. There's really no going back. 3032 02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:05.760 Yeah, and as you said, there's an incentive for people 3033 02:24:05.799 --> 02:24:07.600 to continue to do what they're doing if it's getting 3034 02:24:07.639 --> 02:24:11.280 them views, it's getting them clicks, it's getting them attention. 3035 02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:15.760 That's the big one, I think. And yeah, I don't 3036 02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:18.280 like it. I don't really get it. Like I turn 3037 02:24:18.319 --> 02:24:20.159 on YouTube and I scroll through and see the people 3038 02:24:20.159 --> 02:24:22.120 that are in the feed and Spence, I feel like 3039 02:24:22.200 --> 02:24:27.040 I'm in a like a Rick and Morty ultimate alternate dimension, 3040 02:24:27.239 --> 02:24:31.559 like not a real place. But I hope I'm not 3041 02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:32.079 the only one. 3042 02:24:32.120 --> 02:24:33.639 I'm sorry, it's dark and here I can't see the 3043 02:24:33.680 --> 02:24:35.200 sticker that's on my sweatshort. 3044 02:24:35.440 --> 02:24:36.959 What does that say? You voted? Thank you? 3045 02:24:37.520 --> 02:24:37.600 Do? 3046 02:24:37.680 --> 02:24:39.399 I need to send this out on social You gotta 3047 02:24:39.399 --> 02:24:41.159 make my vote official. You got to post it online 3048 02:24:41.200 --> 02:24:42.959 or it doesn't get to tabulated. 3049 02:24:42.440 --> 02:24:44.799 The RT virtue signaling. But I am wearing my sticker. 3050 02:24:44.840 --> 02:24:46.639 I'm gonna wear it to the grocery store tonight. Should 3051 02:24:46.639 --> 02:24:49.000 I wear it on talking Jazz with Dave five? 3052 02:24:49.159 --> 02:24:52.360 Yes, because you know Dave will bring it up. I'm 3053 02:24:52.440 --> 02:24:53.079 sure he will. 3054 02:24:54.239 --> 02:24:55.920 My guess is Dave and I don't have much to 3055 02:24:55.959 --> 02:24:57.639 talk about in that realm of the world, and I 3056 02:24:57.879 --> 02:24:58.559 think I'll leave. 3057 02:24:58.399 --> 02:25:02.600 That test it tonight talking on TV. I will not 3058 02:25:02.680 --> 02:25:04.840 be invited back. Hope, Hope. 3059 02:25:04.840 --> 02:25:06.479 You're all of voting. If you don't vote, you can't 3060 02:25:06.520 --> 02:25:09.559 say rip about the outcome. And so election Day is tomorrow. 3061 02:25:10.040 --> 02:25:10.360 That's it. 3062 02:25:10.559 --> 02:25:13.000 Rant Overporter, What comes our way on a Tuesday show. 3063 02:25:13.040 --> 02:25:16.520 On a Tuesday edition of the program, we'll do Little Hoops. 3064 02:25:16.600 --> 02:25:19.520 Tim McMahon for the NBA Daily Assist, and then we're 3065 02:25:19.639 --> 02:25:23.520 talking college football. It's Scott Mitchell on site in person 3066 02:25:23.600 --> 02:25:27.600 at ar Up for the Utah Blood Drive. Austin Coley, 3067 02:25:27.639 --> 02:25:30.559 the former Cougar, an NFL wide receiver, will stop by 3068 02:25:30.559 --> 02:25:33.719 the program. Riley Jensen will stop by the program. So 3069 02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:36.680 we're talking quarterbacks, we're talking college football and sneaking to 3070 02:25:36.719 --> 02:25:37.639 little Hoops as well. 3071 02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:39.639 Good stuff. We'll be out and about on remote. 3072 02:25:39.639 --> 02:25:42.879 We'd love to see you guys at Arup Blood Services 3073 02:25:43.159 --> 02:25:44.840 and with that will say good night's special. Thank you 3074 02:25:44.920 --> 02:25:49.079 Richard Smith, Kalani Satake and Josh Furlong for you to 3075 02:25:49.079 --> 02:25:50.879 the sound you made miss from the show. Websites and 3076 02:25:50.920 --> 02:25:54.959 option ESPN seven hundred sports dot com download our mobile app, 3077 02:25:54.959 --> 02:25:57.280 Take us on the Go. It is the ESPN seven 3078 02:25:57.360 --> 02:25:59.760 hundred out that's available for free in the App Store 3079 02:25:59.840 --> 02:26:02.520 or the Google play Store. And then finally, for what 3080 02:26:02.559 --> 02:26:05.840 we do in our space, specifically four hours every afternoon, 3081 02:26:05.920 --> 02:26:09.280 check out our podcast page which is called the Drive 3082 02:26:09.319 --> 02:26:12.159 with Spence. Check it's that's available wherever you get your shows. 3083 02:26:12.239 --> 02:26:14.920 Hit us up with a rating or review, give us 3084 02:26:14.959 --> 02:26:16.840 all the stars, say nice things. It helps out for 3085 02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:20.600 Portram Spence saying Tonight Utah Men's basketball, Monday Night Football, 3086 02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:22.559 Busy Monday Night comes you right next right here on 3087 02:26:22.920 --> 02:26:23.840 ESPN seven hundred