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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of March

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<v Speaker 1>thirty first, we are continuing with Lost season two, episode fifteen, Maternity,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we find that women can stupidly go charging

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<v Speaker 1>through the jungle to possibly face off with unpleasant individuals

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<v Speaker 1>just as well as the guys. Hey, power power to

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<v Speaker 1>the c Yeah, it's just you know, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a guy to be an idiot and do

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<v Speaker 1>something extremely dangerous that is not necessary at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And just do you think something's something's wrong with the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Claire thinks that something's wrong with with Aaron, so she

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<v Speaker 2>decides to go find the place where she was basically

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<v Speaker 2>held hostage and tortured because she thinks that's the place

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<v Speaker 2>she needs to be to help him.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I doesn't doesn't the hatch have like a huge

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<v Speaker 1>closet full of this stuff? I?

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe maybe Claire doesn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, but Jack does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But Jack's like, ah, he's fine, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the whole thing, the whole plot of this

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<v Speaker 1>episode is ridiculous. But I do feel for a mom

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<v Speaker 1>who a doctor says he it's nothing. They'll get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need to be sick for a little while

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<v Speaker 1>and then it'll be fine. They just caught something from somebody. What.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like this kid is going to daycare.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly where is he catching?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he catching normal childhood illnesses from? There are no

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<v Speaker 1>other children anywhere to be found Jack. There is nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>from a parenting point of view, nothing more unsatisfying than

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<v Speaker 1>having a doctor saying, yeah, don't trust your insects. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's fine. It's nothing. Even if it is

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<v Speaker 1>truly fine and nothing. That is not what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>You know exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in a way you do because if it's

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<v Speaker 1>fine and it's nothing, you don't really have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But you're still don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just the dismissiveness. If it's if if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor who's like, I understand why you're worried. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this looks this is scary, like if they're if they're

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<v Speaker 2>not patronizing and not dismissive, you may be more inclined

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<v Speaker 2>to actually fully.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we are reminded that Jack is not a PD.

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<v Speaker 2>What you need is doctor George Clooney in this situation. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a pediatrician.

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<v Speaker 1>He would both diagnose your child in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>made you feel comfortable and loved and also plunge to

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle ofness.

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<v Speaker 2>He would be happy to.

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<v Speaker 1>An episode he went down into the sewer to rescue

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<v Speaker 1>a kid or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a storm drain. I think you're right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he's the guy you want, both for the

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<v Speaker 1>gentle diagnosis and the extreme danger the heroics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, so yeah, this was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe his plane will crash soon. It's it's exactly. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>they could just turn a corner in the g there, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's I've been here for months.

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<v Speaker 2>They're always finding people and places on this on this island.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you're quite right, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. Ethan,

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<v Speaker 2>the the actor known as Tom Cruise's cousin, is so

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<v Speaker 2>creepy during this episode. Like good for him, but yikes.

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<v Speaker 1>The director. You imagine the director saying, you're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>good job, man, just turn out the creepy a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little, a little more or a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's comb your hair down kind of into your face

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that's going to look like how could

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<v Speaker 1>Claire Claire was clearly drugged, Yeah, because otherwise she would

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<v Speaker 2>He's so weird. Yeah, and then we just Kate just

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<v Speaker 2>opens a locker in this deserted, weird bunker and she

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<v Speaker 2>finds like basically all the ratty old clothes that the

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<v Speaker 2>others have worn in their presence. I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>she knows what to make of this fake beard, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fake beard, glue for the fake beard. But she just

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be like, huh, that's odd like she doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she is bigger fish to fry at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, but I'm sure it will come back as

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<v Speaker 2>a point of interest later.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, and they all think that Russou just seems

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<v Speaker 1>to beclean one of the game. Has Kate ever even

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<v Speaker 1>met her before? Kate seems to be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's her, right, And hasn't she sort of been a

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<v Speaker 1>secret crazy person that only certain people have met. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's come on down, stand by our beach, lead

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<v Speaker 1>us through the jungle. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as you said last week, Sayid said, don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>anyone to on a Aunt Lucia about that about Danielle.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's one way.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just assume that Aunt Lucia immediately went and told

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<v Speaker 1>every sleep and body.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So now they're like, oh, there she is, Oh we

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<v Speaker 1>heard about you.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going about the baby? Oh yeah, they knew

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<v Speaker 2>about Russell because she tried to steal the baby once.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's true, they did.

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<v Speaker 2>So by all means, let's follow her into the jungle,

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<v Speaker 2>go to her for help.

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<v Speaker 1>As as Clara puts two and two together, there possibly

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<v Speaker 1>a little swiftly but there is a girl at at

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<v Speaker 1>this bunk seems to be about the same age as

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<v Speaker 1>Russell's baby would be. And uh, Russo, here's this information.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like immediately says something rude and splits so well.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, if the baby was really sick, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what to do or something. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>know what they must be.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't like, be sure to kill your baby if necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something really ominous.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the information that mine is still alive, Please

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<v Speaker 1>be sure to kill yours. So long?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, goodness, she's fun around the campfire. Yeah, yeah, quite

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, mothers and daughters. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Claire giving aaron to son and then well,

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<v Speaker 2>are you a mother? Like, well you're asking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, as as sorry as I feel for Jack

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<v Speaker 1>being so dismissive of Claire, Claire being that dismissive of

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<v Speaker 1>son puts my adoptive mom back up. Hey, lady, you're

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<v Speaker 1>leaving me with your kid. Maybe don't disrespect me on.

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<v Speaker 2>My way out? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You lost points there.

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<v Speaker 2>The son clearly sees that this is a ridiculous errand yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do not do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is what mothers do. We do ridiculous errands

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<v Speaker 1>for our children, and maybe it gets us a little

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<v Speaker 1>vacation from the cen. No, no, I can't possibly stay

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<v Speaker 1>here with him. I must go off in search of

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<v Speaker 1>a repetueure. You take the kid who won't stop crying.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was expecting Sawyer to pop up at some

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<v Speaker 1>point and going, can't you make that kid stop crying?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he the baby?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he was? He?

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<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't he be reading now that he has glasses again, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he should be reading.

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<v Speaker 2>He has glasses and a book, so he could be.

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<v Speaker 2>He should be helping in this scenario. Do we even

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<v Speaker 2>see him? I don't even remember. Oh we saw him

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<v Speaker 2>when Kate said I need a gun, and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to ask why that was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was a there was a whole plot here

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<v Speaker 1>about repressed memories. Handily the clinical psychologist, but she declared

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<v Speaker 1>herself to be as she passed her business card. We

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<v Speaker 1>happened to have one there right at hand to help

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<v Speaker 1>with repressed memories. Which I always wonder about that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>From a parenting point of view. I have two kids

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<v Speaker 1>who don't remember anything about their earliest trees, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like maybe something happened back then four years

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<v Speaker 1>for my daughter a year and a half. It's worth

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<v Speaker 1>of my son's life. Maybe something happened that we should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe something happened that's had an impact on the current day.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they should, you know, have a full grap. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad that they don't remember anything about their

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<v Speaker 1>earliest childhood, although I'm not sure how often earliest childhood

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<v Speaker 1>is remembered. My end, Yeah, I know I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>Glendale because my parents told me. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>remember anything about it. But then on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, if the memory is repressed, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's rust for a reason. Exactly basically what you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>is something horrific happened to you. Let's open that door ouption.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just as well to just.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave well enough well, especially when it just sends her

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<v Speaker 2>on this ridiculous errand that was unnecessary and extremely scary.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we could have just kept kept the forgotten forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they say with with kids, or I guess

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<v Speaker 1>with any traumatic memory that the brain maybe doesn't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>but the body does, and that's why you have certain

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<v Speaker 1>reactions to things. And for that reason, it might be

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<v Speaker 1>good to go root it out. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been sort of of two minds about whether

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<v Speaker 1>that is a good thing. Right, Possibly, you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to just do it on a beach with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who says they're a psychologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly if you're going to do it, it's part of

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<v Speaker 2>a lengthy therapeutic process, not five minutes on the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's open this door and then send you off through

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle to have flashbacks. Oh well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's dramatic. Although they didn't really find anything of

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she got she got the booty she needed,

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<v Speaker 1>single blue booty. But they didn't get any medicine, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't find any All they did is sort of find

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that the others are kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of sketchy bogus, which we pretty much knew.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we knew that. I don't think that's news,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, never hurts me. And meanwhile, we have

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Gale still prisoner in the hairt Echo comes to visit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes to I guess, apologize to somebody who might be an.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess just in case, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to apologize to somebody. There's possibility you're a

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy, so I'll apologize to you and then cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>According to lost Pedia, he cut off the two tufts

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<v Speaker 1>of hair he had been growing under his ches right

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<v Speaker 1>for that purpose, presumably.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like in order for that to have

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<v Speaker 2>been effective, they needed to be longer.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, guess in half an inch, and I

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and I'm gonna listen to everything you say.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, Swayer has already played them against each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Fell out of the sky and put from a balloon.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, work on your story.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess he could just be a clever

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<v Speaker 1>don't seeming kind of scoreless absolutely also skillful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but kudos to them.

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<v Speaker 1>We should get together. They would be able to completely

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have to give kudos to the makeup department

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<v Speaker 2>because he looks like he got beaten up pretty bad, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Joy putting that on every struggle. Yeah, see where was

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<v Speaker 1>that bruise?

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<v Speaker 2>Brid You need to look at our reference photos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as an actor, he looks he looks particularly good

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who's been beating up. So play is that well?

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly because he plays character as we get beat up.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a lot going on in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>leading to really.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely nothing, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seemed like we were going to learn things.

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<v Speaker 1>We found this other hatch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's now we're up to what three.

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<v Speaker 1>did we really? I think we just.

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<v Speaker 2>if we wanted to, which I didn't really want to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I did not. I could have done without

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<v Speaker 1>all the flashbacks of horrific medical procedures. Let's show that

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<v Speaker 1>needle Hi I enjoyed. I guess when Echo came into

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack, I think says, if the alarm goes off,

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell him what it's for? And Echo goes what

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<v Speaker 1>is it? Does anybody really know the What would you

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<v Speaker 1>tell Henry it was for? It's just for us to

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody th.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. Also, you guys, you've already beaten this dude up.

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<v Speaker 1>You've walked him up in a dark room. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give him Dustyesky, seriously, do you not have something fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Even Hemingway would be better. And Hemingway is pretty depressed too.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I have some like.

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<v Speaker 1>Romances maybe, or some Jane Austen or how but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Zan Gray, where are the Zane Gray books? I

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<v Speaker 1>bet there are some on those shelves. Come on. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Side I mean is that at our library, we used

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<v Speaker 2>still have occasionally people complaining about, you know, why is

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<v Speaker 2>there no Western section? But when I tell you that,

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety percent of them were written by the same guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So you just have to go to that shelf in

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<v Speaker 2>general fiction and you will find them all. William john Stone.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got still some mysteries, you know, like a locked

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<v Speaker 2>He might relate in his locked room. I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 2>because the book was so big and fat, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>Locke like smuggled something in there. For a minute. Uh so,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess not.

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<v Speaker 3>But but you know, there was plenty of five episodes

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<v Speaker 3>from now it may pay. Yeah, there was lots of

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<v Speaker 2>What I do me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean nothing against Osio. It's classic literature, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of reading Anna Karennaa when we were

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<v Speaker 1>waiting to adopt our kids in Russia, and it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not correct for the the.

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<v Speaker 2>All happy family. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>It brought I already brought the wrong literature on that trip,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think I read Smellless Sense of Snow when

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<v Speaker 1>we were in the hotel room, which was super depressing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then then Anna Karenina and you know, next time

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha Christie, lots of Agatha Christie fill your suitcase?

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<v Speaker 2>Will next time?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, No, next time I go someplace that could be

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<v Speaker 1>potentially heartbreaking, I'm I'm bringing the fluffy romances, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So next week on Lost, we will continue

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<v Speaker 1>with season two, episode sixteen, The Whole Truth. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna tie up all these hands. We're gonna be died.

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<v Speaker 1>It's over already. We're gonna learn the Whole Truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent. I can't wait for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't that be?

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<v Speaker 2>Guys?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have so much time on our hands upsoards now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can assume that on this show the

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<v Speaker 1>whole truth means probably no truth at all, and if not,

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<v Speaker 1>just maybe a slipper thereof. And we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow to discuss Running Point, to discuss see

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<v Speaker 1>you back here tomorrow to discuss Running Point. Thank you

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