Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of March
Speaker 1: thirty first, we are continuing with Lost season two, episode fifteen, Maternity,
Speaker 1: in which we find that women can stupidly go charging
Speaker 1: through the jungle to possibly face off with unpleasant individuals
Speaker 1: just as well as the guys. Hey, power power to
Speaker 1: the c Yeah, it's just you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: to be a guy to be an idiot and do
Speaker 1: something extremely dangerous that is not necessary at all.
Speaker 2: And just do you think something's something's wrong with the baby.
Speaker 2: Claire thinks that something's wrong with with Aaron, so she
Speaker 2: decides to go find the place where she was basically
Speaker 2: held hostage and tortured because she thinks that's the place
Speaker 2: she needs to be to help him.
Speaker 1: Like, I doesn't doesn't the hatch have like a huge
Speaker 1: closet full of this stuff? I?
Speaker 2: Or maybe maybe Claire doesn't know that.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, but Jack does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But Jack's like, ah, he's fine, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: You know, the whole thing, the whole plot of this
Speaker 1: episode is ridiculous. But I do feel for a mom
Speaker 1: who a doctor says he it's nothing. They'll get over it.
Speaker 1: They just need to be sick for a little while
Speaker 1: and then it'll be fine. They just caught something from somebody. What.
Speaker 1: It's not like this kid is going to daycare.
Speaker 2: Right exactly where is he catching?
Speaker 1: Is he catching normal childhood illnesses from? There are no
Speaker 1: other children anywhere to be found Jack. There is nothing,
Speaker 1: from a parenting point of view, nothing more unsatisfying than
Speaker 1: having a doctor saying, yeah, don't trust your insects. Now,
Speaker 1: I know it's fine. It's nothing. Even if it is
Speaker 1: truly fine and nothing. That is not what you want
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 2: You know exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean in a way you do because if it's
Speaker 1: fine and it's nothing, you don't really have to worry
Speaker 1: about it. But you're still don't worry.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just the dismissiveness. If it's if if it's
Speaker 2: a doctor who's like, I understand why you're worried. You know,
Speaker 2: this looks this is scary, like if they're if they're
Speaker 2: not patronizing and not dismissive, you may be more inclined
Speaker 2: to actually fully.
Speaker 1: Right, we are reminded that Jack is not a PD.
Speaker 2: What you need is doctor George Clooney in this situation. Yes,
Speaker 2: he was a pediatrician.
Speaker 1: He would both diagnose your child in a way that
Speaker 1: made you feel comfortable and loved and also plunge to
Speaker 1: the jungle ofness.
Speaker 2: He would be happy to.
Speaker 1: An episode he went down into the sewer to rescue
Speaker 1: a kid or something like that.
Speaker 2: It was like a storm drain. I think you're right, Yes,
Speaker 2: in the middle of the storm.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's the guy you want, both for the
Speaker 1: gentle diagnosis and the extreme danger the heroics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so yeah, this was.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe his plane will crash soon. It's it's exactly. Actually,
Speaker 1: they could just turn a corner in the g there, Yes,
Speaker 1: there's I've been here for months.
Speaker 2: They're always finding people and places on this on this island.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're quite right, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. Ethan,
Speaker 2: the the actor known as Tom Cruise's cousin, is so
Speaker 2: creepy during this episode. Like good for him, but yikes.
Speaker 1: The director. You imagine the director saying, you're doing a
Speaker 1: good job, man, just turn out the creepy a.
Speaker 2: Little, a little more or a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's comb your hair down kind of into your face
Speaker 1: in a way that's going to look like how could
Speaker 1: Claire Claire was clearly drugged, Yeah, because otherwise she would
Speaker 1: be saying, get me away from what is wrong with him?
Speaker 2: He's so weird. Yeah, and then we just Kate just
Speaker 2: opens a locker in this deserted, weird bunker and she
Speaker 2: finds like basically all the ratty old clothes that the
Speaker 2: others have worn in their presence. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: she knows what to make of this fake beard, yeah,
Speaker 2: fake beard, glue for the fake beard. But she just
Speaker 2: seems to be like, huh, that's odd like she doesn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, she is bigger fish to fry at the moment,
Speaker 2: I guess, but I'm sure it will come back as
Speaker 2: a point of interest later.
Speaker 1: So yes, and they all think that Russou just seems
Speaker 1: to beclean one of the game. Has Kate ever even
Speaker 1: met her before? Kate seems to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's her, right, And hasn't she sort of been a
Speaker 1: secret crazy person that only certain people have met. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's come on down, stand by our beach, lead
Speaker 1: us through the jungle. It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Well, as you said last week, Sayid said, don't tell
Speaker 2: anyone to on a Aunt Lucia about that about Danielle.
Speaker 2: So that's one way.
Speaker 1: Let's just assume that Aunt Lucia immediately went and told
Speaker 1: every sleep and body.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So now they're like, oh, there she is, Oh we
Speaker 1: heard about you.
Speaker 2: How's it going about the baby? Oh yeah, they knew
Speaker 2: about Russell because she tried to steal the baby once.
Speaker 2: Remember that's true.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, they did.
Speaker 2: So by all means, let's follow her into the jungle,
Speaker 2: go to her for help.
Speaker 1: As as Clara puts two and two together, there possibly
Speaker 1: a little swiftly but there is a girl at at
Speaker 1: this bunk seems to be about the same age as
Speaker 1: Russell's baby would be. And uh, Russo, here's this information.
Speaker 1: And then like immediately says something rude and splits so well.
Speaker 2: She says, if the baby was really sick, you know,
Speaker 2: you know what to do or something. I hope you
Speaker 2: know what they must be.
Speaker 1: Don't like, be sure to kill your baby if necessary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something really ominous.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the information that mine is still alive, Please
Speaker 1: be sure to kill yours. So long?
Speaker 2: Yeah, goodness, she's fun around the campfire. Yeah, yeah, quite
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, mothers and daughters. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know Claire giving aaron to son and then well,
Speaker 2: are you a mother? Like, well you're asking.
Speaker 1: It's like, as as sorry as I feel for Jack
Speaker 1: being so dismissive of Claire, Claire being that dismissive of
Speaker 1: son puts my adoptive mom back up. Hey, lady, you're
Speaker 1: leaving me with your kid. Maybe don't disrespect me on.
Speaker 2: My way out? Exactly.
Speaker 1: You lost points there.
Speaker 2: The son clearly sees that this is a ridiculous errand yeah,
Speaker 2: do not do this.
Speaker 1: But this is what mothers do. We do ridiculous errands
Speaker 1: for our children, and maybe it gets us a little
Speaker 1: vacation from the cen. No, no, I can't possibly stay
Speaker 1: here with him. I must go off in search of
Speaker 1: a repetueure. You take the kid who won't stop crying.
Speaker 1: But I was expecting Sawyer to pop up at some
Speaker 1: point and going, can't you make that kid stop crying?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wasn't he the baby?
Speaker 2: Was he was? He?
Speaker 1: Shouldn't he be reading now that he has glasses again, Yes,
Speaker 1: he should be reading.
Speaker 2: He has glasses and a book, so he could be.
Speaker 2: He should be helping in this scenario. Do we even
Speaker 2: see him? I don't even remember. Oh we saw him
Speaker 2: when Kate said I need a gun, and you're not
Speaker 2: allowed to ask why that was it?
Speaker 1: Well, there was a there was a whole plot here
Speaker 1: about repressed memories. Handily the clinical psychologist, but she declared
Speaker 1: herself to be as she passed her business card. We
Speaker 1: happened to have one there right at hand to help
Speaker 1: with repressed memories. Which I always wonder about that stuff.
Speaker 1: From a parenting point of view. I have two kids
Speaker 1: who don't remember anything about their earliest trees, and sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe something happened back then four years
Speaker 1: for my daughter a year and a half. It's worth
Speaker 1: of my son's life. Maybe something happened that we should know.
Speaker 1: Maybe something happened that's had an impact on the current day.
Speaker 1: Maybe they should, you know, have a full grap. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel bad that they don't remember anything about their
Speaker 1: earliest childhood, although I'm not sure how often earliest childhood
Speaker 1: is remembered. My end, Yeah, I know I lived in
Speaker 1: Glendale because my parents told me. I don't think I
Speaker 1: remember anything about it. But then on the other hand,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if the memory is repressed, maybe
Speaker 1: it's rust for a reason. Exactly basically what you're saying
Speaker 1: is something horrific happened to you. Let's open that door ouption.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just as well to just.
Speaker 2: Leave well enough well, especially when it just sends her
Speaker 2: on this ridiculous errand that was unnecessary and extremely scary.
Speaker 1: So maybe we could have just kept kept the forgotten forgotten.
Speaker 1: I know they say with with kids, or I guess
Speaker 1: with any traumatic memory that the brain maybe doesn't remember,
Speaker 1: but the body does, and that's why you have certain
Speaker 1: reactions to things. And for that reason, it might be
Speaker 1: good to go root it out. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always been sort of of two minds about whether
Speaker 1: that is a good thing. Right, Possibly, you don't really
Speaker 1: don't want to just do it on a beach with
Speaker 1: somebody who says they're a psychologist.
Speaker 2: Exactly if you're going to do it, it's part of
Speaker 2: a lengthy therapeutic process, not five minutes on the beach.
Speaker 1: Let's open this door and then send you off through
Speaker 1: the jungle to have flashbacks. Oh well, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess it's dramatic. Although they didn't really find anything of
Speaker 1: I mean, she got she got the booty she needed,
Speaker 1: single blue booty. But they didn't get any medicine, they
Speaker 1: didn't find any All they did is sort of find
Speaker 1: evidence that the others are kind.
Speaker 2: Of sketchy bogus, which we pretty much knew.
Speaker 1: I think we knew that. I don't think that's news,
Speaker 1: but you know, never hurts me. And meanwhile, we have
Speaker 1: Henry Gale still prisoner in the hairt Echo comes to visit.
Speaker 1: Yes to I guess, apologize to somebody who might be an.
Speaker 2: I guess just in case, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got to apologize to somebody. There's possibility you're a
Speaker 1: bad guy, so I'll apologize to you and then cut off.
Speaker 1: According to lost Pedia, he cut off the two tufts
Speaker 1: of hair he had been growing under his ches right
Speaker 1: for that purpose, presumably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like in order for that to have
Speaker 2: been effective, they needed to be longer.
Speaker 1: They were like, guess in half an inch, and I
Speaker 1: think they need to set it up like Curly saying,
Speaker 1: what's the deal with that beard? Bud just growing two
Speaker 1: pieces of beer under your chin, and Echo would explain that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's for the purposes of cutting it off
Speaker 1: later should he be able to believe the burden of
Speaker 1: his conscience. But it just sort of was like it
Speaker 1: looked like he was going to slit his throat and
Speaker 1: then he didn't, and then he walked away, and my
Speaker 1: husband and I are both what was that?
Speaker 2: So I looked it up.
Speaker 1: But from a parenting point of view, you have to
Speaker 1: appreciate the expert way that Henry played lock just playing
Speaker 1: mom and dad against each other just masterfully. Okay, I
Speaker 1: have to be locked here in my room, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make some films.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I'm gonna listen to everything you say.
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys, he can hear you. You know he
Speaker 1: can hear you, just maybe I don't know. Go to
Speaker 1: a different part of the hatch when you're having your conversations, yes,
Speaker 1: and lock when you go back out and then throw
Speaker 1: cutlery across the room, he's gonna hear. He's gonna know score.
Speaker 1: So you know, Swayer has already played them against each other.
Speaker 1: You would think they would have learned their lesson, but
Speaker 1: instead it's gonna fact. So Henry continuing to look like
Speaker 1: not a dude who dropped from us.
Speaker 2: Fell out of the sky and put from a balloon.
Speaker 2: Come on, work on your story.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he could just be a clever
Speaker 1: guy who's trying to escape from captivity, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't seeming kind of scoreless absolutely also skillful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but kudos to them.
Speaker 1: We should get together. They would be able to completely
Speaker 1: run a con on it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have to give kudos to the makeup department
Speaker 2: because he looks like he got beaten up pretty bad, so.
Speaker 1: Joy putting that on every struggle. Yeah, see where was
Speaker 1: that bruise?
Speaker 2: Brid You need to look at our reference photos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as an actor, he looks he looks particularly good
Speaker 1: as somebody who's been beating up. So play is that well?
Speaker 1: Possibly because he plays character as we get beat up.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot going on in this episode
Speaker 1: leading to really.
Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seemed like we were going to learn things.
Speaker 1: We found this other hatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's now we're up to what three.
Speaker 1: Claise flashbacks were super scary. We thought we would learn something,
Speaker 1: did we really? I think we just.
Speaker 2: I think we could have guessed a lot of that
Speaker 2: if we wanted to, which I didn't really want to.
Speaker 1: No, No, I did not. I could have done without
Speaker 1: all the flashbacks of horrific medical procedures. Let's show that
Speaker 1: needle Hi I enjoyed. I guess when Echo came into
Speaker 1: the hash hatch and wanted to talk to to Henry
Speaker 1: and Jack, I think says, if the alarm goes off,
Speaker 1: don't tell him what it's for? And Echo goes what
Speaker 1: is it? Does anybody really know the What would you
Speaker 1: tell Henry it was for? It's just for us to
Speaker 1: go and hit a button. We don't know why.
Speaker 2: Nobody th.
Speaker 1: Oh. Also, you guys, you've already beaten this dude up.
Speaker 1: You've walked him up in a dark room. You're gonna
Speaker 1: give him Dustyesky, seriously, do you not have something fun?
Speaker 1: Even Hemingway would be better. And Hemingway is pretty depressed too.
Speaker 2: I thought, I have some like.
Speaker 1: Romances maybe, or some Jane Austen or how but.
Speaker 2: Just a light Western or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Zan Gray, where are the Zane Gray books? I
Speaker 1: bet there are some on those shelves. Come on. That's
Speaker 1: like Cruel and Unusual Punishment.
Speaker 2: Side I mean is that at our library, we used
Speaker 2: to have a Western second and it was quite small,
Speaker 2: and so we folded it into general fiction. And we
Speaker 2: still have occasionally people complaining about, you know, why is
Speaker 2: there no Western section? But when I tell you that,
Speaker 2: like ninety percent of them were written by the same guy.
Speaker 2: So you just have to go to that shelf in
Speaker 2: general fiction and you will find them all. William john Stone.
Speaker 1: He's got still some mysteries, you know, like a locked
Speaker 1: room mystery.
Speaker 2: He might relate in his locked room. I thought maybe
Speaker 2: because the book was so big and fat, I thought
Speaker 2: Locke like smuggled something in there. For a minute. Uh so,
Speaker 2: I guess not.
Speaker 3: But but you know, there was plenty of five episodes
Speaker 3: from now it may pay. Yeah, there was lots of
Speaker 3: room in there for him to carve out a hole
Speaker 3: and stick something in there.
Speaker 2: What I do me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean nothing against Osio. It's classic literature, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of reading Anna Karennaa when we were
Speaker 1: waiting to adopt our kids in Russia, and it was like,
Speaker 1: this is not correct for the the.
Speaker 2: All happy family. Please.
Speaker 1: It brought I already brought the wrong literature on that trip,
Speaker 1: because I think I read Smellless Sense of Snow when
Speaker 1: we were in the hotel room, which was super depressing,
Speaker 1: and then then Anna Karenina and you know, next time
Speaker 1: Agatha Christie, lots of Agatha Christie fill your suitcase?
Speaker 2: Will next time?
Speaker 1: Anyway, No, next time I go someplace that could be
Speaker 1: potentially heartbreaking, I'm I'm bringing the fluffy romances, I think.
Speaker 1: All right, So next week on Lost, we will continue
Speaker 1: with season two, episode sixteen, The Whole Truth. And that's it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna tie up all these hands. We're gonna be died.
Speaker 1: It's over already. We're gonna learn the Whole Truth.
Speaker 2: Excellent. I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: Won't that be?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 1: We'll have so much time on our hands upsoards now,
Speaker 1: I think we can assume that on this show the
Speaker 1: whole truth means probably no truth at all, and if not,
Speaker 1: just maybe a slipper thereof. And we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow to discuss Running Point, to discuss see
Speaker 1: you back here tomorrow to discuss Running Point. Thank you
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