Speaker 1: I see things you laugh at an old man.
Speaker 2: There's them that laughs and knows better in the TV cameras.
Speaker 2: Yet dogs dog world and from work they're just ain't enough, Sam.
Speaker 1: Dogs, he's watching you, a friend, I guarantee you that
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 2: Throw them into darkness for a few hours and then
Speaker 2: sit back.
Speaker 3: And watch the.
Speaker 1: Sass when they asked what is when?
Speaker 3: By that time flam anything beyond that he's the demon
Speaker 3: is like to confuse.
Speaker 2: They picked the most dangerous enemy they can find. You're
Speaker 2: talking psychological and it's themselves.
Speaker 1: Powerful that had ended, we would not be here.
Speaker 2: All we need to do is sit back and watch's right.
Speaker 2: It's a doggy dog world. From where I said there
Speaker 2: just ain't enough damn dog world, or where I dog.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Headless Giant Show. I'm going in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different direction tonight. I've got my
Speaker 1: co host Nick from the Occult Rejects here with me,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be reading your occult emails. So
Speaker 1: if you'd like, I have scrolling across the bottom of
Speaker 1: the screen there the email address you can send me
Speaker 1: your stories, whether it's esoteric, occult, magical, or paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: I will read them on my show, so I think
Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity for more involvement. And this
Speaker 1: week I've gotten email from a guy talking about a
Speaker 1: Bosnian situation within an Islamic ghost. So let's just go
Speaker 1: ahead and get right into it. Let's see, here we go.
Speaker 1: It's this you guys going live and yeah, I accidentally
Speaker 1: put the wrong time out there or whatever. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're gonna figure it out. Okay, So it starts like this, Hello,
Speaker 1: sorry if this is not terribly formal. I do not
Speaker 1: even know where to start with this or which one
Speaker 1: of the stories I would would have been more interesting.
Speaker 1: The one with a Muslim ghost is somewhat funny and
Speaker 1: somewhat sad, so I'll go with that one. This happened
Speaker 1: to a cousin. He was with my uncle in some
Speaker 1: dingy bar in Bosnia, and both had gotten quite drunk,
Speaker 1: but remained reasonable enough so that they did not trust
Speaker 1: themselves with the car. The cousin chose to walk back home,
Speaker 1: while the uncle decided to stay. The house he lived
Speaker 1: in was some three miles away, upon the slope of
Speaker 1: a hill, a hill known for having a graveyard a
Speaker 1: top of it, hidden by trees that in places grew
Speaker 1: so close together that their branches blotted out the sun.
Speaker 1: They loomed over my cousin as he made his way
Speaker 1: up the hill, and concrete gave way to simple dirt
Speaker 1: road with numerous holes and sharp stones scattered about, the
Speaker 1: flashlight of his phone helping him see the way ahead.
Speaker 1: All was quiet, save for the distant croaking of frogs,
Speaker 1: but eventually even they went quiet. My cousin stopped as
Speaker 1: he heard singing, distant but growing louder Arabic, and he
Speaker 1: saw a man on the road wearing pure white robe
Speaker 1: and a headscarf, prayer beads in one hand. He sang
Speaker 1: as he walked, but his footsteps could not be heard,
Speaker 1: and his face was not there, just a patch of
Speaker 1: smooth skin. My cousin did not run. He wasn't really
Speaker 1: even terrified in that moment. He just stood there, entranced,
Speaker 1: watching as it got closer and closer, walked up to
Speaker 1: him and passed him, never acknowledging his presence in any way,
Speaker 1: and once it walked past him, it was gone. In
Speaker 1: that moment, it was if a hypnotist snapped his fingers
Speaker 1: and my cousin woke up from a trance and realized
Speaker 1: what it was he just saw. However drunk he might
Speaker 1: have been before that, he was very sober now, and
Speaker 1: he decided the sensible thing to do was to get
Speaker 1: the fuck away from there, so he ran the rest
Speaker 1: of the way home. A Muslim ghost crazy, but I
Speaker 1: believe it to be true. I wouldn't take it as
Speaker 1: proof that Islam is the one true faith. I suppose
Speaker 1: we all leave some kind of residue or an echo
Speaker 1: of our on this earth when we pass away, some
Speaker 1: stronger than others. I did try to dig deeper into
Speaker 1: the mystery of this particular ghost, But the truth is
Speaker 1: that Bosnia is a land soaked in blood and Gothic castles,
Speaker 1: and you have to stand in for Transylvania along the
Speaker 1: dirt road where my cousin saw the ghost, where there
Speaker 1: stands now a row of a dozen ruined houses, gutted
Speaker 1: by flames. By the surrounding vegetation refuses to enter, remnants
Speaker 1: not just of the previous war, but also of World
Speaker 1: War two, possibly even older, if some inhabitants are to
Speaker 1: be believed. I once asked an old guy passing by
Speaker 1: who it was that set the fire to all those houses.
Speaker 1: Whoever could sun? He told me, I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: that means, whoever could son?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's probably yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's your what's your take on that?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm wondering, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I would have gotten that. What I'm getting at is,
Speaker 3: like I'm wondering what made him think it was a Muslim?
Speaker 4: Like that image that he had.
Speaker 3: Uh, that is interesting that it was somebody with like
Speaker 3: the scarfro on top of their head in the white robe.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have heard I have seen some occult
Speaker 3: Muslims where that thing. But I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just interesting that he saw that image, you know, because
Speaker 3: I have seen that done before.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't know if that would be
Speaker 3: a typical if I would just assume the person's Muslim
Speaker 3: if I saw them, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: In the Islamic religion, they don't believe that you come
Speaker 1: back as a ghost or that there's some sort of residue.
Speaker 1: What they believe is that a gin and the gin
Speaker 1: are the ones that you see as ghosts, and they
Speaker 1: have kind of an appearance that they mimic human beings
Speaker 1: in their appearance.
Speaker 4: Not fully that's what a smooth face.
Speaker 1: Smooth face and the fire right, because Jin are fire spirits.
Speaker 1: So you've got the burnt out houses on one hand,
Speaker 1: and you've got this guy speaking or singing in is
Speaker 1: Muslim or in Arabic walking down the road, starting to
Speaker 1: add up to a little bit of a Gin situation
Speaker 1: because he's got that smooth face and also that hypnosis aspect.
Speaker 1: Jin are supposed to be able to get inside your
Speaker 1: head and even change time around. So it was, you know,
Speaker 1: at first, I was like it could be a ghost,
Speaker 1: but you know, all of the things adding up, it
Speaker 1: looks a little bit like a Gin situation. And he's
Speaker 1: right about Bosnia. Bosnia used to be part of Yugoslavia,
Speaker 1: and Yugoslavia was a mix of Islam, Christian, Catholic and
Speaker 1: all these other forces that basically came together and made
Speaker 1: an agreement with the Soviet Union so they wouldn't get invaded,
Speaker 1: and so they kind of had this sort of uncomfored
Speaker 1: truth and it actually worked. So the dictator of Yugoslavia
Speaker 1: was pretty much loved by everybody because he was able
Speaker 1: to pound out this truce and keep everybody happy because
Speaker 1: they all knew what they were up again. So Yugoslavia
Speaker 1: was between the West and Russia and they just said, look,
Speaker 1: we're going to go this way and you guys just
Speaker 1: leave us the fuck alone. And it worked. So they
Speaker 1: had this sort of truce period and then, as everybody knows,
Speaker 1: in the late nineties you had the Bosnia Hertz Govigna
Speaker 1: war and that was a big problem. So it's basically
Speaker 1: been the West that has been sort of ginning up
Speaker 1: these conflicts ever since. Not to make a pun there,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think this could have been related to
Speaker 1: the Gin because they do speak Arabic. That's a very
Speaker 1: prominent feature when it comes to stories of the Gin.
Speaker 1: And this smooth faced Gin was probably associated with some
Speaker 1: of these fires, Like he asked, are there any fires?
Speaker 1: Who could have set these fires? And it seems like
Speaker 1: there's kind of a mystery involved there. But if that's
Speaker 1: the case, that's that could be the residual energy or
Speaker 1: maybe this Gin has claimed this area for itself. But
Speaker 1: they say the Gin are a cool fire, like it's
Speaker 1: not hot to the touch. It's actually actually a colder
Speaker 1: thing to the touch. And the way he described this thing,
Speaker 1: it seemed pretty cold and distant, so kind of had
Speaker 1: that maybe emotional coldness. So what do you think does
Speaker 1: that start to make sense?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, louis the one thing I think I want
Speaker 3: to get out what I was trying to get at before,
Speaker 3: is that like, does to me just automatically put like a.
Speaker 4: Sufi in my head?
Speaker 3: It seems very specific and it's just like, is that
Speaker 3: something that this guy even knew of to where it
Speaker 3: was his imagination running with it? You know, I'm getting
Speaker 3: maybe you know, what I'm getting at is like maybe
Speaker 3: it did look like that, you.
Speaker 4: Know, because that just did that to me was a
Speaker 4: very specific look. And even then you.
Speaker 3: Know for me anybody that I uh, yeah, I said
Speaker 3: that before because somebody said the person couldn't have been
Speaker 3: a Muslim if they were drinking, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and Christians don't fuck before marriage too, Like are we
Speaker 3: being serious here for real?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And nobody curses either, who's real religious? Yeah? Come on?
Speaker 3: But but what I was saying is that one thing
Speaker 3: I find interesting with it is that, you know, going
Speaker 3: back into the gin, anybody that I ever came across
Speaker 3: that was kind of like, again, this just comes across
Speaker 3: from me doing research any Sufi's I came across there
Speaker 3: happened to be mystics or they were occultist. So I
Speaker 3: just found it interesting that like Sufi looking to me Muslim,
Speaker 3: you know, walking down the street, and him having this
Speaker 3: experience and you're going on about the gin and the
Speaker 3: soft face. That's very just very weird to me.
Speaker 1: You know, well, from what I know of Sufism, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit further north. It's more of like a
Speaker 1: Turkish thing. And the way he was describing this guy,
Speaker 1: it seemed like an Arabic you know style guy with
Speaker 1: the scarf and everything. The Turkish is Muslims look a
Speaker 1: little bit different than the Arabian, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they do like to kind of have like
Speaker 4: a wrap thing around their head.
Speaker 1: Too, right, right, and so it sort of seemed like
Speaker 1: more Saudi Arabian to me. But yeah, there is this
Speaker 1: ongoing conflict in Bosnia between the Christians and the Muslims,
Speaker 1: so don't I don't necessarily know whether or not this
Speaker 1: was a Muslim area or a Christian area, but you know,
Speaker 1: Christian strength, so it could be that as well. I
Speaker 1: think in a lot of conflict zones, you were going
Speaker 1: to run across a lot more of these spirits because
Speaker 1: I think we're going to do a future episode on
Speaker 1: demons on this and yeah, demons really do gravitate towards
Speaker 1: conflict zones. And you'll find a lot of experiences of
Speaker 1: US soldiers where they see unexplainable shit while they're out
Speaker 1: on the battlefield because it's it's basically a harvest fest,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, a lot of people don't think
Speaker 1: that wars are related to ritualistic human sacrifice, but they
Speaker 1: absolutely are. Oh what's interesting too about the Bosnian conflict.
Speaker 1: America came down on the side of the Muslims in
Speaker 1: that conflict against the Christians. So in that war that
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Clinton got us involved in, we were
Speaker 1: basically fighting on the side of the forces that would
Speaker 1: later turn into Muslim extremists all over the place. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of like we turned that place into a
Speaker 1: terrorist training ground. And so you know, this was setting
Speaker 1: the stage for what would later come on in you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand and one and later on. But you know,
Speaker 1: don't expect a lot of Americans to see that, because
Speaker 1: you know, America could never be fighting against people just
Speaker 1: like them, you know, strange that we would think that.
Speaker 4: They have been. They have been in a lot of conflicts.
Speaker 1: Faced Gin is a good rap name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you saw that, right, Yeah, But like if you
Speaker 3: want to talk about that, I mean there, I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, possibly, I guess. I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: every place, but I mean I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 3: places do have There's just been you know, wars there anyway,
Speaker 3: But I would say Bosnia it does have a does
Speaker 3: have enough that looks like it could even be to
Speaker 3: to I wouldn't say religious, but beliefs.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, Bosni is really old world, you know, back when
Speaker 1: it was in the Age of Days, this would be
Speaker 1: sort of considered the the Greco sort of Russian corridor,
Speaker 1: you know. So you've got Bosnia as part of this
Speaker 1: Balkans region. I mean, this is where we get the
Speaker 1: term Balkanized from is because it's so easy to turn
Speaker 1: these people against each other, because this is the fighting
Speaker 1: ground of the ages, Like everybody has fought here. You're
Speaker 1: talking about vlad tapiche In there. You know. This is
Speaker 1: basically where Islam in the West really really clashed for
Speaker 1: over a thousand years. So this is a very very
Speaker 1: hot area in terms of international conflicts and people getting
Speaker 1: in there. To Balkanize them, and recently you've got America
Speaker 1: doing what you would call color revolutions, where they would
Speaker 1: go in there and fund one side so that they
Speaker 1: could overthrow the other. Balkanization and color revolutions go hand
Speaker 1: in hand basically, all along the Bosphorus up to the
Speaker 1: Black Sea from around Turkey, you've got this what they
Speaker 1: call the Balto Slavic, well, what I call the Baltoslavic Corridor,
Speaker 1: very heavily influenced by the Greeks. This is why Russian
Speaker 1: Christianity is Greek Orthodox because as you can see with
Speaker 1: the r language, a lot of it, a lot of
Speaker 1: those characters come from the Greek And if you know
Speaker 1: about the myth of Jason and the Argonauts, they actually
Speaker 1: went up the up the river there into the Black
Speaker 1: Sea and on the forest backside of the Black Sea
Speaker 1: is where they got the Golden Fleece from. So that
Speaker 1: entire area has been kind of this Balto Slavic Corridor
Speaker 1: for you know, thousands and thousands of years, and that's
Speaker 1: where you get all this Greek influence up by the
Speaker 1: Black Sea. Before that, it was the Scythians. So the
Speaker 1: Scythians really ruled all of the plain areas and the
Speaker 1: highland areas of that region, and that's where the Greeks
Speaker 1: came from. There was different tribes of the Scythians that
Speaker 1: came in as the Palascians into that region of Greece,
Speaker 1: and then the Palascians then became the people that you
Speaker 1: see in the Iliad right fighting against Turkey, right, because
Speaker 1: that's where you know they they had their big battle
Speaker 1: with the Trojan horse. The Troy was on Turkey. So
Speaker 1: you have this original conflict between East and West happening
Speaker 1: right there, right along that Bosphorus River. So it's a
Speaker 1: very very big hotbed for conflict, always has been. And
Speaker 1: if there are gin hanging out there to harvest the
Speaker 1: souls or whatever they're doing, that would make sense. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if if you can go back there and
Speaker 1: and figure out what this gin is doing, but that
Speaker 1: would be interesting.
Speaker 4: That'd be nice.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had a couple other people tell me
Speaker 1: about their stories with telepathy. I'd love to get into
Speaker 1: that too. I couldn't find what he was talking about specifically,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm sure there'll be more episodes. I
Speaker 1: just thought of ice little short reading of these emails,
Speaker 1: and these experiences might help other people to you know,
Speaker 1: kind of share their experiences as well. Maybe they can
Speaker 1: find some connection there if they have some sort of
Speaker 1: family lineage going back there and they've got family relations there,
Speaker 1: or they're you know, reporting in from Bosnia, that'd be
Speaker 1: cool too. I think Bosnia is a really beautiful area.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you've seen the pictures
Speaker 1: of it, it's just this beautiful hilly country. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so it hasn't been completely ruined by American foreign policy yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure their vassal states to the United States
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. But basically, after the war, all
Speaker 1: of the Christian Bosnians self segregated themselves away from the
Speaker 1: Muslims and they haven't really been able to reintegrate back
Speaker 1: under the state yet because the Muslim state is running Bosnia.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense. I mean, there are occultists all
Speaker 1: over the place, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of black magic going on in that region.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's black magic going on everywhere.
Speaker 1: And Islam has a really interesting relationship with the Gin
Speaker 1: because a lot of their magic systems go back to
Speaker 1: the idea of solemonic magic, and so they feel like
Speaker 1: they can you know, control the Gin in some cases,
Speaker 1: or in other cases they're under attack by the Gin.
Speaker 1: But I've heard a lot of stories about it, and
Speaker 1: most of it has to do with the desert. And
Speaker 1: it's really interesting that he would be wearing this desert
Speaker 1: garb that far away from the desert, and that's something
Speaker 1: that really, you know, piques my interest is because it
Speaker 1: seems out of place. Even the Muslims up in Bosnia,
Speaker 1: they don't dress like that, you know, that's that's not
Speaker 1: very kind of Yeah, I think so the prayer beads,
Speaker 1: that's what I found interesting because the Gin are often
Speaker 1: skies is like holy men, and so having that as
Speaker 1: the as the disguise would be par for the course,
Speaker 1: you know. But I mean on our future episode about demons,
Speaker 1: there's so much variation, but I feel like there's that
Speaker 1: that gravity is what brings it together. So if there's
Speaker 1: conflict zones, high population centers, maybe an area that has
Speaker 1: had a lot of emotional intrigue and a lot of
Speaker 1: emotional outlet, that's those are the gravity centers that demons
Speaker 1: are really attracted to. Also, you know, taking advantage of
Speaker 1: the graveyards and torturing the souls of the things still
Speaker 1: stuck there, and talking about the legion of demons too, because,
Speaker 1: as you know, from solomonic magic, they say he's in
Speaker 1: charge of X number of legions? Is this huge number?
Speaker 1: How do they get those numbers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always said, I was like, Yo, where does
Speaker 3: this shit come from? I've even wondered as like the numbers,
Speaker 3: like even something like the reason for that there.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a numerological aspect to it, you know, so
Speaker 1: they control a certain amount of legions because that's their number,
Speaker 1: and then like seventeen thousand legions, well, seventeen might be
Speaker 1: their number. I think it has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with the dream world as well, because there's there's something
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people miss about the
Speaker 1: dream world that you know, is very important to understanding demons,
Speaker 1: very important to understanding cosmology and everything else. We spend
Speaker 1: half our lives living in this symbolic world of the dream, right,
Speaker 1: and yet when we wake up, it doesn't really have
Speaker 1: any impact on us because we don't see how these
Speaker 1: symbols are important. But to ancient societies, dreams were very important,
Speaker 1: you know, and they dictated how you were to interact
Speaker 1: with the land, they dictated how you were to interact
Speaker 1: with others, and they took these dreams seriously. And it
Speaker 1: seems like the less we take our dreams seriously, the
Speaker 1: more prone to demonic influence we are. Because there's something
Speaker 1: about these dreams that connect us to something greater than ourselves.
Speaker 1: And everything you do in a dream is symbolic, right,
Speaker 1: So a symbol would be a thing that is not
Speaker 1: a thing, you know, and when you're moving around and
Speaker 1: you're talking in your dreams and you're doing all this stuff,
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually have any impact on the rest of
Speaker 1: your life in terms of real physical behavior, So it
Speaker 1: is necessarily symbolic. Everything that happens in the dream is
Speaker 1: a symbol. This is where we get our symbols from.
Speaker 1: So I think having a deeper connection to dreams gives
Speaker 1: you a deeper insight into this world of symbols, you know,
Speaker 1: and we spend half our lives in the world of symbols,
Speaker 1: So I think it's very important to have that connection
Speaker 1: to dreams. Have you had a deep connection to dreams
Speaker 1: or like any experiences with dreams that sort of uh
Speaker 1: elucidate that.
Speaker 4: In the past.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had some dreams where I actually questioned
Speaker 3: if it was out of body experiences to tell you
Speaker 3: the truth.
Speaker 4: And you know what.
Speaker 3: And the thing is too that I've noticed is that
Speaker 3: when that when those have happened, especially as a child,
Speaker 3: they you know, happened a few times, it's always when
Speaker 3: I was sick, really sick. I would have these dreams
Speaker 3: that seemed like to the where to the point to
Speaker 3: where it's like you'd almost feel the atmosphere around you,
Speaker 3: like it actually felt like there was depth.
Speaker 4: It was very weird.
Speaker 3: One time, the last time it happened, probably got two
Speaker 3: thousand and maybe fourteen and fifteen. I was in fucking
Speaker 3: prison actually when it happened. So the reason I remember
Speaker 3: around the time it happened, I was sick and uh
Speaker 3: fucked up situation. I you know, in the Feds, in
Speaker 3: the federal prison, you can have emails, and you know,
Speaker 3: there was a a few like well, I wouldn't say famous,
Speaker 3: but I mean the guy from Blow, the movie Blow
Speaker 3: with the Cookee he was there. There was some guy
Speaker 3: from Nobody, nobody big, but some picture from the fucking
Speaker 3: Yankees or some dude from the Yankees was there a
Speaker 3: couple of people and I emailed my brother and told them,
Speaker 3: and I was in some fucking program, some drug program.
Speaker 3: Somehow my lawyer pulled it off even though I was
Speaker 3: selling steroids. I got a drug program that was gonna
Speaker 3: knock off a fuck ton of time for me and
Speaker 3: halfway house time. So they're they're very strict. It's almost
Speaker 3: like a totally totally different fucking world considering the rest
Speaker 3: of the prison. Inside there, you're expected to snitch on
Speaker 3: each other, so it makes no fucking sense to me.
Speaker 3: It's like it's called our dap and you know they'll
Speaker 3: read your emails and just to be dicks. They said
Speaker 3: I violated like fucking prison security with saying who was
Speaker 3: in the fucking prison in my emails to my brother,
Speaker 3: and they fucking threw me in the shoe. So now
Speaker 3: I'm in the shoe and I'm in there with like
Speaker 3: one other dude for like fucking three months, and like
Speaker 3: one of the days I was fucking just like I
Speaker 3: was horribly sick for a few days when I was
Speaker 3: in there, but one of them when it was the worst,
Speaker 3: I remember just like I was like kind of like
Speaker 3: fading in and out and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 3: just remember I just like knocked out, and I was like,
Speaker 3: in this did you ever see god Silent Hill?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: It was very much like that where I had like
Speaker 3: woke up and I found myself like I felt like
Speaker 3: I was like laying on the side of like a
Speaker 3: long pillar that had just like this big kind of
Speaker 3: like pillar walls, and I was like I was up
Speaker 3: high and off but like I was just like laying
Speaker 3: there and it like literally seemed like it was like snowing.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't Silent Hill, but it wasn't snow It
Speaker 3: was like something just coming through and like do you
Speaker 3: ever like when it snows out and it's like really quiet,
Speaker 3: it actually has a feeling to it, right, I felt, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I felt that man. So I was like, Yo, it's
Speaker 3: this snowing. Like I'm so, I'm like, but where.
Speaker 4: The fuck am I?
Speaker 3: And like for some reason, I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 3: looks like Mars. But like I don't know what made
Speaker 3: me think that, but like I remember like just like
Speaker 3: that was very real and where I was just felt
Speaker 3: like I was like actually there, and like I was
Speaker 3: just like was even like confused about like where the
Speaker 3: fuck am I?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that goes into a lot of the practices
Speaker 1: about how children are are chosen in ancient societies when
Speaker 1: they need a new shaman or a new priest class.
Speaker 1: Is that you know, oftentimes a kid that will have
Speaker 1: a near fatal illness when they're young will be chosen
Speaker 1: for you know, shamanic purposes because they were closer to
Speaker 1: death in that moment, And that could actually go into
Speaker 1: a lot of your meditative experiences later on. Is because
Speaker 1: you're in this liminal space, like the way you described it,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a place between worlds.
Speaker 4: And you know what was weird.
Speaker 3: I felt like the reason why I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think this is snow because it almost felt like
Speaker 3: it was a struggle to breathe, as if like something
Speaker 3: like this stuff was even a problem, Like it was
Speaker 3: real to me?
Speaker 4: Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if that was who knows, if it was
Speaker 3: just like a visible visual representation of my soul like
Speaker 3: fucking drifting wolf. Well, maybe breathing would be harder if
Speaker 3: you start leaving.
Speaker 1: Well, that game Silent Hill is about a town in
Speaker 1: I believe it's West Virginia that has a mind fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still burning.
Speaker 3: That's a wild game and movie and nobody's checked it out.
Speaker 3: Smoke smoking When to watch that movie, it's bugged out.
Speaker 3: It's cheezy, but I think it's good.
Speaker 1: But even in the game, like everything shifts back and
Speaker 1: forth from this hellish reality to this sort of you know,
Speaker 1: partially broken down reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's like you're stuck in limbo and then
Speaker 3: it just gets creepy, right right.
Speaker 1: That would makes sense, is this liminal dream where you
Speaker 1: know you're stuck between worlds and makes sense a lot
Speaker 1: of sense if if this illness that you were suffering
Speaker 1: from was you closer to the brink of death, you know,
Speaker 1: so you were looking at the space between life and death.
Speaker 4: See you see.
Speaker 3: You know what Alan Styles is saying, which is like
Speaker 3: really weird, like bugged out to me, is because like
Speaker 3: I was into the occult then, but like not heavily
Speaker 3: into it. I kind of got like really big into
Speaker 3: it after prison. And he says it represents initiation into
Speaker 3: the mystery schools where I was it even like when
Speaker 3: I was it almost kind of looked like a big
Speaker 3: pillared arch and then like a flat thing that I
Speaker 3: was on and then like just big pillars going down,
Speaker 3: and like, I mean, I'm not sure, I'm sure that
Speaker 3: really isn't what was happening, but like it was very
Speaker 3: after the fact, once I got into occultism, I did
Speaker 3: think back at that and be like, it's very like
Speaker 3: kind of like the whole Masonic arch really.
Speaker 1: Right, and you had all those pillars all over the place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fucking weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those pillars are really significant because you know, that's
Speaker 1: connecting the earth to the sky, and that's what those
Speaker 1: pillars have always represented. I wanted to talk about this
Speaker 1: one a little bit because I used to have dreams
Speaker 1: like this too, really insignificant stuff, but it was like
Speaker 1: visions of the future, and I would remember that I
Speaker 1: had that dream as I was going through whatever it
Speaker 1: was I was dreaming about, right, And that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a kind of odd sensation. But you can change
Speaker 1: those and I think what I did was I changed
Speaker 1: it while it was happening so that it didn't play
Speaker 1: out the way it did in my dreams. And now
Speaker 1: I don't have them anymore, so I wish I hadn't,
Speaker 1: you know, it would have been a lot easier if
Speaker 1: I I don't know, maybe it seems like it would
Speaker 1: have been a lot easier, but I don't know either way.
Speaker 1: But having these trivial dreams of the future, that's interesting
Speaker 1: to me because it's like, why not give me something
Speaker 1: I can use, you know, give me something I can
Speaker 1: use your people. But yeah, it's like a vision.
Speaker 4: Like ten years from now. It's like that doesn't help
Speaker 4: me much. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's it's like, uh, the problem with
Speaker 1: the Greek prophecies, you know, it's like the more you
Speaker 1: try and get away from your fate, the closer you
Speaker 1: get to it. And that's a who that's that's pretty
Speaker 1: depressing to think about Centralia, mindfire, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't West Virginia was Centralia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bug that bug that movie. It's I think there's
Speaker 3: a cult aspects of that movie too. It's pretty cool though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And if you consider things like dreams to
Speaker 1: be significant when it comes to the world of symbols,
Speaker 1: then all of all of your dreams become this occult significance,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I heard a podcast today. It
Speaker 1: was on the Higher Side Chats. This guy was talking
Speaker 1: about how the ancient snake symbolism represents that big old
Speaker 1: arm of the milky Way that we see across our
Speaker 1: sky at night, like that was considered to be the snake.
Speaker 1: And if you think about that, the whole orphic egg
Speaker 1: makes sense because we're looking out from the inside of
Speaker 1: the egg and we see a giant snake wrapped around us.
Speaker 1: You know, So when you understand that as being an
Speaker 1: ancient symbol for the universe and how to connect with it,
Speaker 1: and what they were saying was you connected with it
Speaker 1: through Polaris, through that North Star, then you figure out
Speaker 1: why that swastik is always so important to these ancient
Speaker 1: civilizations as well as because that's how they climbed the column.
Speaker 1: That's how they climbed the tree out to the greater universe.
Speaker 1: And it does seem like the way the snake has
Speaker 1: been demonized in the way that it has been since Christianity,
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is keep you here. You know,
Speaker 1: they're trying to say, don't connect to that wider galactic consciousness.
Speaker 1: That snake is evil. Well, at the same time, Jesus said,
Speaker 1: just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness,
Speaker 1: so too will I be lifted up so he's calling
Speaker 1: himself that snake, that branch, And in some ways that
Speaker 1: makes sense because it's very heavily related to Dionysian symbolism
Speaker 1: and all of these symbols of man as this connected
Speaker 1: form to the gods. So you know, Dionysus would be
Speaker 1: the intercessor between man and the gods, and then you
Speaker 1: had all these other intercessor deities that are very closely
Speaker 1: related to that. So I think if you dream about Dionysus,
Speaker 1: i'd like to hear about those dreams as well, because
Speaker 1: that's really interesting to me. From everything I've seen and
Speaker 1: everything I know, I think that there is going to
Speaker 1: be this return of the old gods, and I keep
Speaker 1: seeing it. Like the other day, I saw this huge
Speaker 1: flock of bald eagles just sitting on the side of
Speaker 1: the road looking at the cars going by, and it's like,
Speaker 1: that's odd. There's no kill over there. They're not feasting
Speaker 1: on anything. It's just they're looking at the road. They're
Speaker 1: looking for something to return. So I think even the
Speaker 1: animals feel it, and.
Speaker 3: I definitely think the animals know something's going Animals are
Speaker 3: acting a little bit.
Speaker 4: More intelligent than they normally we should be in.
Speaker 3: My pinion, like I even feel like they're like I
Speaker 3: hate using the phrase like upgrading, but I do feel
Speaker 3: like their consciousness is expanding a little bit more when
Speaker 3: it comes to animals. Uh, I feel like or maybe
Speaker 3: we're just noticing it more.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like this would go back to the conversation
Speaker 1: about demons, because another way of expressing the idea of
Speaker 1: demons comes from the the Greek form, which would be daimonase,
Speaker 1: and that Daimona's concept is like a helper spirit or
Speaker 1: a tutelary spirit that would follow you around. Aristotle had one,
Speaker 1: Plato had one. All these people who are the inspiration
Speaker 1: for this philosophical god, they all had these tutelary spirits
Speaker 1: that they would listen to. I believe Plato's was the
Speaker 1: the gadfly. The gadfly would warn him of danger. A
Speaker 1: gadfly is just another word for a biting insect, so
Speaker 1: he would he would feel something before something bad would
Speaker 1: happen to him, and that that that daemon would serve
Speaker 1: him throughout his entire life. But there's also the idea
Speaker 1: of geniuses. So the genius is like the intellect of
Speaker 1: these species. And if these these animals are feeling it.
Speaker 1: They have more of a collective soul than we do.
Speaker 1: We have much more individualized souls. If they're feeling it
Speaker 1: and they're looking for it, that would that would make
Speaker 1: sense because the genius of these animals is more of
Speaker 1: a collective idea, and that's how shamanism and all the
Speaker 1: rest of this would would interact.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I would like to say just real quick,
Speaker 3: because I'm going to drop this on the Ocult Rejects.
Speaker 3: Might in the Ocult Rejects, has any paranormal or I
Speaker 3: guess dream stuff. Email Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Send it over to have this you know, I'll probably
Speaker 3: hear it on the show anyway, or go listen to
Speaker 3: it on his.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're all playing together, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but I would like to I would like
Speaker 3: to have people send you some stuff because I do
Speaker 3: find this interesting and fun.
Speaker 1: So right, I think, I think as things are quickening,
Speaker 1: it's it's very important that people stay connected. I mean,
Speaker 1: the biggest problem I think we see is like, you know,
Speaker 1: they started the Internet saying, hey, you can connect with
Speaker 1: friends halfway across the globe. You can connect, and yet
Speaker 1: it's made us more separated than ever before, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we spend all of our time in our
Speaker 1: houses looking at these screens and we never have any
Speaker 1: real interactions.
Speaker 3: It separates from you physically, and then like mentally, you'll
Speaker 3: start separating. It's just where all the decisiveness and separating
Speaker 3: yourself from certain people. It's just a constant tumbling of that, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many people in the chat have actually
Speaker 1: had some in their lives that just hates them for
Speaker 1: no reason and then it just ends up snowballing and
Speaker 1: affecting everything. And it's like there's so many self fulfilling
Speaker 1: prophecies going on now between interpersonal relationships that just seem
Speaker 1: to just tear us apart, and we can't really get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it because we can't even understand
Speaker 1: it ourselves. So, you know, I feel like, you know how,
Speaker 1: if we can connect on these deeper levels by sharing
Speaker 1: our dreams, sharing our occult experiences, sharing the paranormal, we're
Speaker 1: not going to be in that pit anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: that pit, that Zagoras pit of you know, we're sort
Speaker 1: of being reduced as in connecting with other people. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're enhancing ourselves, right, we're enhancing our understanding,
Speaker 1: we're enhancing our consciousness. But as we become more and
Speaker 1: more isolated, we find that, you know, we're being diminished
Speaker 1: and treated more like animals. I think the dichotomy between
Speaker 1: the individual and the collective is never a real We've
Speaker 1: sort of been trained to think that there is this
Speaker 1: sort of difference between the collective and the individual, but
Speaker 1: I don't think there is. I think the way we
Speaker 1: understand individualism is from a collective consciousness level, and the
Speaker 1: way we understand collective consciousness comes from the individual level.
Speaker 1: So these things are very integrally linked. And yet on
Speaker 1: the same point, you know, these both of these concepts
Speaker 1: are being diminished in the information age, so we don't
Speaker 1: have that collective consciousness angle. We don't, you know, use
Speaker 1: our families as sounding boards anymore. We hardly ever see
Speaker 1: our families, you know, we're just working all the time
Speaker 1: and basically being cut off from any sort of real connections.
Speaker 1: So if we can provide a real connection for you,
Speaker 1: this is the place to do it. These are deep
Speaker 1: philosophical concepts and deep emotional concepts. Getting into that, I
Speaker 1: feel like is a much more genuine, authentic way of
Speaker 1: interacting than what we normally get watching cat videos.
Speaker 4: Or of those two.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's all I really share on Instagram stories.
Speaker 4: This guy video.
Speaker 1: I watched this one video. It was a Japanese reporter guy, right,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to find out why this dog was
Speaker 1: so fat.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It was a street dog. And so this this street
Speaker 1: dog was making the rounds throughout the town every single day,
Speaker 1: and so he followed it to this one lady's house
Speaker 1: where this dog is like invited in to take bads
Speaker 1: with the family. Right, So he's in there getting all
Speaker 1: scrubbed up, he gets a bowl of food. They love
Speaker 1: this dog, right, and then he goes over to the
Speaker 1: meatpacking district where they love this dog, and so they're
Speaker 1: giving him food and he's just making the rounds, making
Speaker 1: all these friends. All these other dogs love him. So
Speaker 1: he just comes around every single day getting fed like
Speaker 1: forty times a day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy's got like, Wow, he's got a whole
Speaker 3: thing going on.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's real hard hitting journalism too, because
Speaker 1: this guy was clearly a reporter and he's just following
Speaker 1: a dog around during his daily rounes. He gets all
Speaker 1: this food, gets super fat from all this love that
Speaker 1: he gets from everybody in the town.
Speaker 4: That is so funny.
Speaker 1: Shit, let's see slick disted and says Ingram four, individual
Speaker 1: has shadow of envy infernally, envy is named Leviathon. Leviathon
Speaker 1: is intrinsic to democratic mob mentality. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: You know, there's this idea that we need to level everything,
Speaker 1: you know, as if we understand where the wealth is
Speaker 1: coming from. The democratic urge to level everything is very,
Speaker 1: very toxic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just like, you know, like, well, that's like
Speaker 3: you get pissed off and knock everybody else's sand castles
Speaker 3: over at fucking the beach because you can't build yours.
Speaker 3: He keeps falling over, so you knock everybody else's over.
Speaker 3: That's like, that's, you know, an example for that. That's
Speaker 3: how childish it is.
Speaker 1: I think the cure for democracy is nobility, and that's
Speaker 1: very different from elitism. You have to have curiosity. If
Speaker 1: you're a noble person, you have to try and understand
Speaker 1: how the work around you works so that you can
Speaker 1: make the best decisions for the people you love. And
Speaker 1: when you do that, that's what really raises all these
Speaker 1: ships up. It's not the material possessions that make you noble.
Speaker 1: It's the idea that you have certain principles you won't violate,
Speaker 1: and certain principles that motivate you towards action, and that
Speaker 1: nobility is severely lacking in our society because I mean, shit, man,
Speaker 1: you put somebody up on the stand and you have
Speaker 1: them swear in and they don't feel like there are
Speaker 1: any consequences for lying under oath. Why even swear them
Speaker 1: in in the first place.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's like whenever these politicians have people coming
Speaker 3: in front of Congress, I'm like, what's the point of this?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: You know, Ted Ted Cruz's bringing another one up? There?
Speaker 3: You go, you know, you're going noway with this anyway,
Speaker 3: It's just I think it's all like.
Speaker 1: Stage you know, but it's all crumbling now and we
Speaker 1: see it over and over.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I hate to say, but I do think
Speaker 3: there's just going to be issues popping up from previous
Speaker 3: medical whatever you want to call it, previous medical advice. Right,
Speaker 3: you might be showing issues popping up very you know,
Speaker 3: very very soon. And what I find interesting is the
Speaker 3: person who gave you the symptoms happens to be back
Speaker 3: to give you a fix for it now too, fucking
Speaker 3: Trump right right.
Speaker 1: You know, as we're seeing all these things start, all
Speaker 1: these institutions start to crumble, we have to remember that
Speaker 1: there is a religious fanaticism around the big V word.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the big V word we can't even.
Speaker 3: Say well, around science and politics now right both it's
Speaker 3: like become a religion radicalized and.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, the V where it looks
Speaker 1: a little bit like a crucifix that you can inject
Speaker 1: into your arm, yo.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 4: What fuck is the odds of that? Damn right? You know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know what you're talking about. That's wild. It was.
Speaker 3: That's why I caught that for a second. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, okay, so yo. You know it's another funny
Speaker 3: thing too, that this is what this is what's crazy.
Speaker 3: This is just from my own experience and from other
Speaker 3: people I knew when I knew people who all of
Speaker 3: a sudden got crazy radicalized with like politics and like
Speaker 3: other certain things. It's like, Yo, you knew nothing about
Speaker 3: it though two weeks ago, right, Like you actually don't
Speaker 3: know a fucking thing about politics, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden you're a fucking Stoughts Republican, Like what it's just
Speaker 3: weird how it's just like some of this stuff and
Speaker 3: even it's like, that's where you have to start wondering,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, what's going on here that you're getting
Speaker 3: people who are so far not even thinking about it
Speaker 3: to where now they're.
Speaker 4: Obsessing over it.
Speaker 1: Right right, it's the pendulum swing going crazy. This metronome
Speaker 1: is just swinging off the charts. Everybody's switching sides, and
Speaker 1: you know, these political divides. You know, I started out
Speaker 1: as an cap you know, that's when I started doing
Speaker 1: my podcast Is Anarchy Ball and all the rest of
Speaker 1: this stuff, And then I look back on it and
Speaker 1: it's like there's no spirit there, right, Like anarcho capitalism
Speaker 1: is just as materialistic communism. And the real problem is
Speaker 1: it goes back to what William's asking right here, nobility
Speaker 1: as in monarch or as in elected aristocracy, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's neither of those. I think what it comes
Speaker 1: back to is this, right here, what you have is
Speaker 1: a bloodline, and that bloodline is what you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be taken care of and boosting up so that they
Speaker 1: can have a consistent, principled morality. In addition to you know,
Speaker 1: the material things that each generation builds upon. Right, That's
Speaker 1: what a noble person is is somebody whose family has
Speaker 1: benefited from this. And you know, what we see in
Speaker 1: our society is that wealth rarely survives three generations. You know,
Speaker 1: it's completely squandered by the third generation because those people
Speaker 1: become spoiled. They no longer have the same rituals, they
Speaker 1: no longer have the same roots. And you just right,
Speaker 1: And so the way I describe it is that dominance
Speaker 1: leads to decadence. Decadence leads to degeneracy, degeneraty leads to destruction.
Speaker 1: Those are your three generations right there, you know, and
Speaker 1: instead of instead of understanding and witnessing that, we end
Speaker 1: up having to go through all this stuff. So having
Speaker 1: a sense of nobility, there's a good example. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't don't look into the OCA true stuff
Speaker 1: because it was kind of invented in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: But they have the ninefold Noble path, right, and those
Speaker 1: principles that they lay out in the Ninefold Noble Path
Speaker 1: of Odin is very much applicable to all people. And
Speaker 1: if you want to start cultivating a sense of nobility
Speaker 1: in yourself and passing that on to your offspring. There's
Speaker 1: no better time than now to start understanding that. You know,
Speaker 1: I agree, And we're seeing a lot of this Leviathan stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Leviathon, You've got Typhon, You've got
Speaker 1: these ideas of this monster right right, and that that
Speaker 1: monster really does represent a lot of that unconscious level thinking.
Speaker 1: You know, it's automatic, it starts to influence your daily life.
Speaker 1: It's something that you can't beat on your own, like
Speaker 1: addictions and all the rest of these things. They become
Speaker 1: monsters in your own life. And uh, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that monster stuff is just not examined as
Speaker 1: the beast that it really is, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: we understand the beast and the and the false prophet
Speaker 1: and all the rest of these things, but we never
Speaker 1: really apply that to ourselves. I believe, if you're going
Speaker 1: to take a really honest look at the Bible, you
Speaker 1: have to think about Genesis and revelations happening at the
Speaker 1: same time, because that's the place we exist in. If
Speaker 1: you take that cosmology, you know, we exist in the
Speaker 1: space between the beginning and the end all the time.
Speaker 3: That's that's the whole story of the Magician right there.
Speaker 3: That's really that's the beginning and the ending of the
Speaker 3: whole story. My opinion, what you're saying that makes sense.
Speaker 3: The genesis would start off after the end of Revelations
Speaker 3: as the Magician makes it back home.
Speaker 1: Right, And so what what Christianity has given is linear time, right.
Speaker 1: All Abrahamic religions have the concept of linear time. There
Speaker 1: is no reincarnation, there is no birth, death cycle cycles,
Speaker 1: there's no cycles in the heavens. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can get into esoteric Christianity and find all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, in mainstream Christianity, it's all
Speaker 1: just basically straightforward. There's a beginning and there will be
Speaker 1: an end, so you better get ready for it. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't really take into account the real cycles of history.
Speaker 1: And when you remove a person's understanding of the cycles
Speaker 1: of history, they become doomed to repeat those cycles of history.
Speaker 1: And nobody's really thinking about it. But if you start
Speaker 1: to understand and integrate those ideas that the cycles of history,
Speaker 1: you'll very very easily start to identify the Leviathan in
Speaker 1: your own life that is sort of draining your power
Speaker 1: and sucking from you and Once you understand that, then
Speaker 1: you could start to move past it. You can start
Speaker 1: to have about a life outside of that cycle. But
Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand the cycles that occur
Speaker 1: in your life. And that's that's part of knowing yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. Ethan Hawke wrote a cool child's book about
Speaker 1: how to be a Knight if you guys have kids,
Speaker 1: great advice. Okay, check that out.
Speaker 4: Well, as theoid is happening, though, Teresa saying.
Speaker 1: Right, they're supposed to, well, I thought they already landed
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: Sure, Typhon has mentioned in the hextagram ritual supposed to
Speaker 3: represent the beasts, right, and so there is.
Speaker 1: An interesting relationship between the Oto and Typhon. I don't
Speaker 1: really see the connection between the battle between Typhon and
Speaker 1: Zeus though, that's that's what they're using. Though they're using
Speaker 1: the idea of Typhon versus Zeus, but they're kind of
Speaker 1: divorcing it from its original context. How would you describe
Speaker 1: the relationship between Typhony and Oto and the rest of
Speaker 1: the magical system?
Speaker 3: You know what, I couldn't tell you anything about this
Speaker 3: Typhony in order really, Yeah, all I know is that
Speaker 3: that is uh, it has nothing to do with the
Speaker 3: Oto technically, it's just people from the Oto kind of
Speaker 3: grants started that in his zone. There's no there's no
Speaker 3: correlation or attachment. So that's why I couldn't tell you
Speaker 3: anything about it. I was never interested. I was never
Speaker 3: interested in learning. Is you know what he's into?
Speaker 1: But like you were, like you were saying, though there
Speaker 1: is still the Typhonian elements of the hexagram.
Speaker 3: Rich, Uh, well yeah you do you say a purpose
Speaker 3: and typhon, yeah you can, you can't go it, yeah,
Speaker 3: and the hexagrammar tool yes, and yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah that one.
Speaker 3: I there is like thoughts on I couldn't tell you
Speaker 3: anymore because it's been so long, but there were thoughts
Speaker 3: on like why that is imploied with acause you going
Speaker 3: from my Egyptians to something else.
Speaker 1: Right, right, And I think you get that a lot
Speaker 1: at the oracle at Delphi and.
Speaker 4: Then and then you're doing that also with Hebrew words
Speaker 4: that you said.
Speaker 1: It's a real interesting mish mash. It's it's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I always try to construct my own
Speaker 1: rituals instead of going by these things that have been
Speaker 1: constructed by orders. I really don't understand too much about
Speaker 1: because they have their own associations, and I have my
Speaker 1: own associations, and why would I use somebody else's associations
Speaker 1: if mine are just as valid.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So, But in the in the case of the oracle
Speaker 1: at Delphi, you have Apollos slaying the python, right, and
Speaker 1: this python was coming for his mother, and so he
Speaker 1: killed the python. And the python is what brings about
Speaker 1: the oracle. So as you're sitting on top of this
Speaker 1: tripod in the in the oracle chamber, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be the spirit of the Serpent that comes over you,
Speaker 1: and that's what's you know, the combination of the Serpent
Speaker 1: and Apollo are what's speaking through you. And in the
Speaker 1: uh the syncretism, Apollo is the called the elder Horaus, right,
Speaker 1: and so Horace is the one who slew Apophus, and
Speaker 1: so you've got that slaying of the snake on both ends.
Speaker 1: You know, they also say set slew Apophus, and several
Speaker 1: other deities did. They had a lot of different cosmologies
Speaker 1: within the whole Egyptian milieu, and what they tried to
Speaker 1: do is encourage people to make more of it, because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of this was based around shamanic
Speaker 1: experiences that they had and wrote down as these origin stories,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think it goes back to that
Speaker 1: that branch of the Milky Way we see at night,
Speaker 1: because that snake is essentially trying to destroy the world,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the gravity in the middle of
Speaker 1: it would be you know, they say that there's a
Speaker 1: black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy.
Speaker 1: In essence that is both the creator and the destroyer
Speaker 1: of worlds. So that idea of the monster, this apophous snake,
Speaker 1: is really you know, central to all of it.
Speaker 3: I still think sometimes yeah, go ahead, go ahead, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I still think sometimes the snakes are just I know,
Speaker 3: not everything's always going back to the eyeballs. But I
Speaker 3: do think that sometimes snakes can be used to that, right, right,
Speaker 3: especially the snake eating its own tail, I think can
Speaker 3: be used to that because it'd be like it's screwing closes,
Speaker 3: is eating its own tail only ye, But I have
Speaker 3: wondered with Apophus, and then you know, I forget the
Speaker 3: typhon's actually a snake too, So I am wondering if
Speaker 3: somehow there is a correlation between both eyes and the
Speaker 3: Hexagrammar's trul.
Speaker 1: Right, I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, you've got the
Speaker 1: as above so below, and then you turn the hexagram
Speaker 1: on its side and you've got the two m's sort
Speaker 1: of the idea of the reflections of mother and you
Speaker 1: know monster. You've got those two ideas right there in
Speaker 1: that hexagram, because creator and destroyer all in one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and one thing I did want to mention before,
Speaker 3: you know, Besides, you know, I said it's in the
Speaker 3: hexagram ritual and you mentioned a pofos Even in that
Speaker 3: ritual you do also mention isis and osiris, So I mean,
Speaker 3: you know it is it is interesting about why Typhon
Speaker 3: is thrown in there, right, People should look into that,
Speaker 3: try to figure out why there might be something behind that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think this was a great episode. We're gonna
Speaker 1: keep it nice and short and sweet, and I think
Speaker 1: this is this is gonna make good clips. We can
Speaker 1: clip this up and throw this out on Instagram and
Speaker 1: other places. We got to get more of these stories people.
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