Speaker 1: Get up the bags.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bags.
Speaker 1: Times, get up the fish. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome back to the five hundred and sixty third episode
of The Keepers podcast. I'm the Man Without Fear Tres
Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 3: I'm Save Us and or Trickle that Sorry.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm the end of doors Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Something about that just doesn't.
Speaker 3: Who's mine or his?
Speaker 1: You reacted to mine his? Say this and or I
got it because yeah, that makes sense Taylor's And you know,
Taylor had a great one last for the Captain America
of you and he he peaked there. You know, I
think you're peaking day.
Speaker 5: I was ready to peak.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Kirk, may I cut you off the theme song.
Do you need to talk about your thumb? No?
Speaker 3: No, We're good.
Speaker 6: Had a little booboo at work and if anyone asked,
I reported it like you should.
Speaker 1: Say. He didn't want to talk about but then he
talked about it.
Speaker 2: So you know you're the one that circled back, circle back.
Speaker 1: Just want you every moment I saw the music playing
and I saw you talking in your mic, so I thought,
oh man, he really wanted to share this.
Speaker 2: Wait that mutes that mutes me the whole time. I'm
just chatting away.
Speaker 1: It's like, because obviously tonight we're recording it after this,
but it won't be live. Patrons, you'll get it right away.
But then the regular people that we still love and support.
But the patrons, you know, patrons go above and beyond.
They give us a harder money to support the show,
get more content, everything like that. So very much appreciate it.
But I was having to dig because I haven't done
it for the marble side. But Golden Geeks says, Okay,
this year, I want to get every winner we've had,
and I did so. I had to go through a
lot of YouTube casts because the audio is like gone.
Speaker 5: There's got to be an AI that can do that
for you, I think, right, Taylor.
Speaker 4: Oh there is, yeah, But do I want to pay
for it?
Speaker 1: Do I want to do that though? Do I want
to give into the machine? Not yet?
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna save yourself three hours.
Speaker 6: You're already using a water pick, so that's like basically
the machine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to pick the AI of toothbrushes absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well natural, just some you know, some twine.
Speaker 5: Do you.
Speaker 1: Mister Bedey fuck off? He has a machine over here.
That's AI.
Speaker 5: But I only cook things with a magnifying glass in
the sun. I don't. I don't use a stove. That's
that's too much.
Speaker 1: I say, you watched the Vivor, you have enough of
the fire making skills.
Speaker 5: To I think watching people make fire on TV is
different from making it in real life. Do anything I.
Speaker 1: Can do it?
Speaker 3: I always TV.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I could do you have to teach me.
Speaker 3: It's easy.
Speaker 1: We will hold camp. But anyway, so I was going
through lots of videos and always the beginning of each
cast there's like four to five minutes of downtime because
I don't know if you guys remember the camera used
to be my phone and we put it like we
had the laptop. It was Dylan's in the this is
a customer Actually, even as basements, it was always like
we're sitting in a semi circle, a half circle, so
the camera can see us in the laptops by me,
but it's like far away but still close enough for
like a like a cord to get to. But there's
always like I had hit it, go sit there, make
sure we were alive because I was back. I can't
even remember what we used to use. There's some right,
No that was the record, which I hate on asking goodness,
but no, there was there was some program. It was
an app on my phone that could live stream. It
wasn't obs. I'm not I can't remember it. I have
to look at some of my old phone. Yeah, so,
because that's why it always like I had to make
sure and sometimes the singles in there, but there used
to be. I won Golden Geeks. It was like twelve
minutes before we even got into it. Some people's dream,
some people's nightmare. It all depends the GV listener. I
feel like there's like a pre end game and post endgame.
Pre endgame listeners they know like we're fine with the
ramble and everything like that. Post it's like, not get
into it. You know what I'm talking about right now?
One star. I don't need to hear about the past
to keep first. But uh yeah, Golden Geek will be
live in a couple of days. But it was fun
to look back. I missed those days. Obviously, it's great.
We talked about we couldn't do this and all the
episodes we do if we're in person, because it just
wouldn't be relatable. But it was just great seeing that
room and like, you know, sometimes still those days be
haden Dylan's custard ome bedroom, but it was. Yeah, those
summer casts were a little stinky, but it it was
a good time. It was just definitely a different vibe.
I felt like, I don't know why, probably because you
guys were around and I would just get hyped up
and feel like I have to talk over you like
a jerk. But I'm like, why am I so loud
on all these casts?
Speaker 5: I know, I'm still like we could never get it
quite right, could we with the Eddie?
Speaker 1: Well we couldn't. Yeah, it was, but so luckily we're
here now doing this podcasting. It's great. Let's we haven't
done this in a few weeks. So Delmus, what have
you been watching before? I guess you go. We got
lots of things to talk about, big Star Wars news,
dared Eel predictions, big DCU news, so a big overall thing.
I'll plug some stuff later, but uh, Dylan, what have
you been watching?
Speaker 5: Well? You know, we got a juice filled episode here tonight,
so I think I'll be quick with two TV shows
that I've been watching, just the latest and greatest shows
I'm up to date on Severance season two and White
Lotus season three. Man, I'm really curious to hear what
other people think of Severance that people I've talked to
about it are as unimpressed as I am. I'm just
not not digging the season at all. It is not
It's kind of picking up exactly where the first season ended,
but it is is not really what I'm wanting out
of it, and yeah, so I'm a little disapointed with that.
We'll see how it goes. I don't know how many
more weeks there is, like three or four maybe, but
White Lotus on the second episode now, and god damn,
I just love White Lotus. It is. It is definitely
my favorite show on TV right now. And I think
they already confirmed season four, so I'm very very excited
about that. It's very much the same. This one feels
especially similar to season one, but I don't care. I
just love the characters, the writing, the funny shit that happens,
the good visuals, the music. I've been adding to so
many songs like my Spotify playlist, just some banging music
in there. So yeah, I'm really enjoying that. So far,
It's only on episode two. But so far, so good,
so far, I think character wise, I mean, there's a
lot of great ones in there, but Walton Goggins's He's
such a great pairing for Mike White's writing style and
like these types of characters, it's like kind of his
usual type, but like slightly different, and I'm really enjoying that.
But everyone's crushing it so far, so I think I'll
just leave those two for today. Very very much loving
White Lotus. But it hasn't watched it yet. What are
you doing? Walk? Don't run, run, don't walk, Rather go
check it out right now. You need to see it,
because I don't think any of you guys have been
watching the show, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: No, I've seen one episode, watched the pilot and Shane
were both we're both digging it, but for whatever reason,
we just didn't continue on. I feel like it was
in between either House of the Dragon era, like we're
just watching something else that we didn't want to connect
to that.
Speaker 5: But we got to six episodes per season, so easy.
Speaker 6: That's very palatable, especially coming a highly hour long thirteen episodes.
Speaker 2: I'm ready for a smaller.
Speaker 1: Forgot it was thirteen as I'm watching through it. It's
like I think to go into my spots. One thing,
White Lotus. Yeah, I think we're gonna start in April
because right now we have Crave canceled. But then when
the Last of Us was back, we'll get it back
for that because we had to finish another show, and
then we got to finish The Bear, so we had
a couple of shows that we kind of stopped in
the middle of. Even though I heard the Bears from
many people kind of not the Gray season, but like, okay,
we'll finish it. So yeah, White Loadles will be on
deck with of Us. We we're gonna try and watch
Buffy because we're big Buffy fans. We haven't seen the years,
but I think we're gonna wait closer because they're doing
that revival. They're doing like a like a revival reboot
of the shows. I think we're really wait for that.
But yeah, the only thing's been watching. I've been watching Daredevil.
So I've watch Daredevil season one, two, Uh, Defenders and
then I'm on three right now. I just forgot how
key Defenders is. You know, Defenders very key in watching.
So that again, cheap plug go watch and listen to you.
It'll be out this week everybody for the Patriots, but
right now Daredevil Retro one and two's out right now
for everybody, and then three will be out in a
couple of days here featuring Tan Kirkland. They finally made
good didn't think what happened, but they made good on
saying they would watch all dared Devil say it. They
have watched it, so won't spoil any thoughts there. It's
all a little Daredevil again during predictions. But and yeah,
I'm on Daredevil season three, episode four right now, and
I was like, oh, I gotta, I gotta start moving.
I still got till next Tuesday. But it's just there
are longer episodes than there's other things that I do
want to watch. And then they yeah, there have no movies.
I watched some Oscar movies. But check out me. Maddie
and April, we did Oscars predictions this weekend, so I
talked about them there. So youn go find out my
full of you very fun cast. Think though, think those
people for joining me. It's always a good time.
Speaker 5: So I was talking to my aunt over the weekend.
She was just shitting all over a Nora and then
praising the Bob Bylan movie. I'm like, come on, the
bob Bila made, it's so safe. I haven't seen it.
I'm sure it's great, but like, come on, She's like,
that's what deserves to win. She's hating on a noora.
Did she like, I'm not gonna get into it.
Speaker 1: But did she listen to any specific reason, because I've
heard one complain about Anora is that like you can
tell its directed by a dude. I still think it's
great movies, but I could I could understand certain point
of views, especially like Mikey like, and she was fine
of it. She said she didn't want to know what
is they called the coordinators now I can't remember. Yeah,
she didn't want any of that. But there's lots of
her scenes looking great, lots of sex scenes. But I
could see maybe as a I'm watching with Emily this week.
We'll see because last week or last year we did
poor things and she hated it. But I'm like, you
should watch this. It's probably gonna win Best Picture, just
so you know. But did she give a reason?
Speaker 5: Not really. I tried to get some reasons out, but
I think it was a vibes based assessment, or she
didn't want to share her true thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is what I canna say to you, deal,
because I'm not watching It'slton says. Severn's is phenomenal to me.
My timeline is that it's fifty to fifty. It's people
like you very disappointed, or it's people like this is
still the best show on TV.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to be fair, it could still stick
the landing, but there's been some some weird stuff going
on in here, and every episode, like the last week's cliffhanger, Okay,
I'm excited for this week, like I'm excited to see
what happens there. But yeah, we'll see. There's a lot
of that in this show. Every episode always leaves your
raid on the edge.
Speaker 1: Big edge or and then the only show I'm watching
right now because I canceled Paramount Plus because his Dexter's done,
And then I'll get.
Speaker 5: Out you canceling like a madman over here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why, Like like a mini rant before,
I'm feeling like, oh, streaming is just as bad as
a cable No, it's not not at all if you
manage it, If you just described everything and keep it
then sure, but like one, I'm paying for things I
want and too Yeah, I got rid of cravelast month,
and then Parent Plus this month, and then boom, and
now I'm not getting something else we're gonna I got Netflix,
Disney Plus and Prawn. That's all right now, and that's like,
it's nice. So we're finishing the Agency I think I
talked about last year. But Agency is it's a Michael
Fassbender shows playing a CIA agent, a CIA agent. I
could just combine those two words. I've always wanted him
to play Bond. It's not as sexy as that. It's
way more like realistic, like counter terrorism, like sneaking around
different personalities. But Jeffrey Wrights in it, Jody Turner Smith's
and it's really good. It's picking up. It's one of
these shows where there's like six to seven different storylines
going on and you don't know how they're gonna interlinked,
but slowly but surely, you're like, Okay, I see this piece.
I see this piece, but it's the thing that like,
it is quite slow. So me and Emily usually watch
about two episodes, but we got till March second. I
think we're gonna finish about five. But it's really really
good that we're actually getting some like a minor action
but fastbender in a show. I'm on there and it's
it's actually great And it got renewed in December first
season too, So that's a good thing that like gave
me the oom of like, Okay, it's coming. I'm really
enjoying it, so I'm excited to see where it goes.
So yeah, I'm just watching TV right now. I don't
really have any movies on the dock, and I do
want to watch a completely unknown but it's all about Daredough.
I got to finish that before Tuesday. I was gonna
try and get Punishers done, but we'll talk about Punisha
l there. I think I got another chance to do that,
So Taylor, what about you? Oh Man?
Speaker 7: So Madison tossed on No Hard Feelings the day That
was fun to rewatch. I don't think i've seen that
since had we have been the drive in Actually what
is this movie again?
Speaker 5: Lawrence make It on the Beach?
Speaker 1: Great and suplex movie.
Speaker 7: I forgot how how funny it really is with just
certain comedic beats.
Speaker 4: It's actually is It's a really good time. Uh say, we.
Speaker 1: Watched the Peak nominated performance by Jennifer Lawrence right there, so.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah uh so yeah.
Speaker 7: After that, what else did we do? We watched tmn T.
Madison just had a craven to watch the original Turtles
all the Turtle stuff going on lately, so pop that
on and that was a great time just quoting the
heck out of that movie. It was just fantastic. I
like to do this thing, and I think Madison gets
pissed off because I do it with Star Wars, Jurassic
Park and with TMNT now as well. I'll quote a
line but like three to five seconds before they say
it in the movie.
Speaker 5: It's just that sounds very annoying.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 7: I'm sure she finds it. I've never asked her. I
should probably ask her eventually, but I love.
Speaker 1: Doing it before she divorces you over it.
Speaker 7: Well, when the character says the line AD's word for word,
I just feel empowered, like fuck yeah. But when they
mess up when they say the line and I mess
up by like a word and like.
Speaker 4: Oh god you feel.
Speaker 1: But the night before is just even better now that
I know who that is that limo Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh that aside. Show wise, we just usually with one
more having dinner.
Speaker 7: We'll just throw on an episode of Hell's Kitchen watch that,
and just it still blows my mind that these high
quality chefs, like and they're talking about the start of
the competition when there's questionable chefs at that point, but
like near the back half, towards the end, when there's
like only like maybe like ten eight chefs left between
both teams, and it's like.
Speaker 4: Okay, they're still starting up like raw meat.
Speaker 7: And it's like, man, I don't I don't work on
that industry, so I can't speak to it, but I
just feel like, how does that really happen?
Speaker 4: How do they play like a raw beef? Wellington on
there a raw steak.
Speaker 1: Don't like, don't some people want raw like order certain mules.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 7: But when Ramsey, when Ramsey, when Ramsey says it's it's
raw and sends it back and like.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not that's not good. And maybe it's because
they're they're fucking cooking on that guy.
Speaker 5: That'd be stressful and maybe they have five minutes to
make a dish.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: Gordon Ramsey staring at you like kingpinned like you offended
Vanessa or something like that in front of you watch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I I mean coming off hot a Daredevil,
that was kind of the main thing on my plate
as of lads go check.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: But what I've been watching lately, I haven't watched an
anime in a very long time. That was just like
a chapter of my life when I was like watching
a lot of anime and I took a hiatus and then.
Speaker 2: A couple of shows would like grip me in, and
then I.
Speaker 3: Just haven't been uh lately.
Speaker 6: You know, We're just we're just busy watching other stuff,
I guess, and sometimes late at nighters want to throw
in the office or a show that I've seen a
thousand times, I can just wind down. Oh yeah, it's
just always a rotation show. But anyways, uh, Shay put
this anime on my radar.
Speaker 2: She had binged it the whole. I don't even know
how long. I think it was over Christmas or something.
Speaker 6: She's just like powered through it a couple of days
off for work and then yeah, she just just did
it in like two sittings. And it is a Netflix
anime called Delicious in the Dungeon.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have watched an episode
you've just seen it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I've seen it, like scroll, yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 6: She claims that it's like her favorite anime of all time,
and I saw it. I'm like, okay, okay, that's a
wild cla. She's seen some big time animes too, so
I'm like, really like, come on, how can you say that?
And now that I've been watching it, like I'm about
halfway through, I think it's twenty four episodes.
Speaker 3: We're on episode thirteen.
Speaker 6: She's watching with me for a nice we'll rewatch because
she loves it so much. But now that I'm watching it,
I totally get why she thinks that, because it's just
such a masterfully written show of like it balances great
adventuring great character like depth, like I feel like every
character has some like just phenomenal backstories and just character building.
The show starts like very just I don't want to
say slice of Life because it is based in fantasy land,
but it's just like it's just kind of a nothing
show where they're just like killing monsters and then cooking
them up, and then it's just like a big emphasis
on like the cooking portion.
Speaker 2: I tell you mentioned Gordon Ramsey, but like.
Speaker 6: This is like this one dwarf is just like a
master chef, Like he just makes these like whatever month
like name a monster like an orc or something, and
he just like cooks it up and it looks like
a five star meal that you just want to eat.
And the way that anime drawers can just do like
food and stuff. Studio Ghibli is just so famous for
that for making like meals just look so delicious even
though it's it's it's an anime. But anyways, the show
like takes a pretty dark I'm not gonna say it turned,
but it just gets like a lot more mature at
a certain point of the show, which is kind of
where I'm at right now, which I was not expecting
at all, just because every episode is like it's very
d and d as well, which I think is another
reason why I'm loving it so much. It's really making
me want to jump back into Balder's Gate. Actually just
just like the idea of a party adventuring through these
dungeons and just interacting with other monsters and other like
party member just other players. But anyways, its yeah, it
starts really just simple of an idea, but then later
on it's like really high stake stuff is going on.
It's like gut wrenching with certain characters that are lost,
and it's just, yeah, it's a really really phenomenal show
and it's really just like been scratching that anime. It's
that I didn't really think that I had still because
I just haven't been watching it. But watching it again,
I'm like, man, I gotta watch more anime. This stuff's
so good. There's many on my radar or not my radar, sorry,
that on my list that I had been watching as
like a big fan, like some big ones like Attack
on Titan. I never even finished that, just because I
had watched it up until the point that it was
on the last season, and then they did like the
Invincible thing where it was like a season break, a
mid season break.
Speaker 2: Which I just I hate when shows do that.
Speaker 6: I get it when it's like a really big show
and they're just trying to milk that money, you know, for.
Speaker 2: To build up that money and everything, but it just
kills the.
Speaker 6: Hype I feel like the momentum of getting through a show.
So still don't finished that one. My Hero Academia is
another one that's like really massive that I loved and
I just I'm so far behind on that even like.
Speaker 2: Dragon Ball Super that completely over.
Speaker 6: There's just a lot of anime out there to watch,
and some really really phenomenal ones. And I'm really glad
that I finally jumped into Delicious in the Dungeon and
I highly highly recommend it even to like non anime fans.
It's just a nice, wholesome show. Again, I just mention
how it gets pretty dark later on, but still for
the most part, it's really easy fun watch and really
great characters, great intro.
Speaker 2: Go watch that show.
Speaker 5: There you go awesome. We'll check out more of that
when I get in Netflix again.
Speaker 1: Good to see uh God Loves Me sixty nine. In
a chat, the menu was a warning, goodnessee you, sir.
He stole me for last GV day for he said
he'd make it up to me. Still hasn't yet, you know.
But alas, here we go, speaking of making it up.
Before we get into this, I wanted to bring this
up for the next newscast. We're all together. So a
few weeks ago, very controversial thing happened. I'm gonna blame
my tired brain. I'm gonna see what happens here. But
Mike super Mike nice enough to throw us, throw myself
a life one and say, hey, something's a little fishy.
We did the Marvel No, sorry, we did the movie
twenty twenty five. People don't know. It works like a
fantasy system where we all draft ten movies and then
we see the box office and then at the end
of the year we do it tally and whoever as
the most wins said year. Right. So I drafted Mwana
Live Action as my first movie, which Mike did tell
me that very bold to draft a twenty twenty six
movie for the twenty twenty five draft. So what I
am saying here and I am again is live recorded
so that people know I would like to draft another movie. Obviously,
my preference or my case is there's multiple times where
I have saved each and every one of you by
saying that's going to Netflix, U, Kirkland, Rememory, draft whatever, whatever.
You One time, I know you tried to draft a
Netflix movie, Taylor, And then I'm pretty sure the year
before Dylan you drafted, tried to draft a movie that
was like dead it was. It was Mickey seventeen. The
year before one year you try to draft said no,
don't do that. It's already been pushed, so I write
it anyway. You did do it anyway. Actually, but there
is a record for because I said, there's rumors it's
not making this year, and I'll take it anyway. So again,
I'm not saying we're redrafting. I'm not saying, oh, I
get one of your top picks. I'm clearly getting a
bottom one. But I would in the in the game
of sportsmanship, like to draft dead my WANTA draft and
then put something else. Is my number one draft pick
up there?
Speaker 5: I mean, if one of my things get delayed, do
I get to do a new pick?
Speaker 1: But you picked it knowing it was that year. I
just made a fluff up, you know, I thought it
was this year. Of course, if I knew it was
twenty twenty six, I would not draft set movie.
Speaker 5: You know, this just doesn't nothing. There's no trade going
on here. I just lose and you win.
Speaker 1: What do you lose?
Speaker 5: I lose that you get a new pick, and that's
not looking good for my draft.
Speaker 3: That is true.
Speaker 7: But in his defense, I do think like, if if
we're to win, any of us three are to win,
I mean, it's only a partial win. It's not a
full as he's not like, it's not a full circle
complete win. We already are just taking advantage of kicking
them while he's down. I don't know if I if
I get that win, I want that third win.
Speaker 4: I want it to be you know, everyone out their
full strength all year, and I.
Speaker 5: Don't want a sand bag it.
Speaker 2: Okay, if I get that win, I'm gonna memory, memory,
bring back.
Speaker 1: I won't forget you, buddy.
Speaker 3: Why that's your one, that's my one. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 4: The pause just totally.
Speaker 3: We got to edit these videos. They're too long. They're
too long of a break. Don't even mention the I'm
going to kill you. I'll give you this past, Travis,
because you did save me in the recent draft.
Speaker 5: All right, what's your pick? What's your pick?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the black Phone too comes out October
Halloween movie between that and the Accountants, it's not I
look if I because still made that joke, if I
knew the Resurrection of Christ was of this, you're about
one hundred percent yes, because I think that movie's gonna
make bank. But like it's still very iffy. So I'm
taking the black Phone to first one made like one
hundred and sixty million. That was my thinking. So that's
what I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Take in hindsight.
Speaker 6: Maybe I should have pitched like a you know, first
round draft pick next year, like sports, you know you
can draft you too.
Speaker 3: It's too late, so I got too excited.
Speaker 1: Thank you gumming. So now next year, when you beat me,
you can say, look, you screwed up. We gave you
a movie. You lost for it, and I will not
because I will fully admit that was my screw up.
So if anyone wins, there's no asterisk win. Now, that
was me doing bad. Like if you're playing poker blackjack,
you read the cards wrong. I read them wrong big time.
Speaker 2: So what pick was that for you? That was your
number one?
Speaker 1: My number one was Yeah, so I lost on a
lot of good picks. But you know what that's that's okay. Yeah,
I suppose says it's like when Tres had the rock
Chills video with the screen recording at ending. Yeah exactly. Yeah,
when I first uploaded it didn't get there at streamyard
even the same way too. It's like it just cuts
videos in a weird way. But yeah, Wicked for Good
is now my new number one pick. Mike is completely right,
so what a full circle moment. But Mike, you will
be happy. And the listening, we have it wicked for
Mike my name, so's it's it better take me the
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side quest. What did you guys talk about this week,
mister muss Oh.
Speaker 5: We talked about some of the games being playing, such
as Avowed is the new hotness there, we did another
Pokemon Gentwo quiz Kirkland. I threw Taylor back in the
ring there, and he did pretty good on his own.
I'm not gonna lie, but you got tune in the
episode to find out how well hearing me that first.
Speaker 4: Round I was missing. Yeah, I needed that help.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of niche ones I remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I'll be on next week and I
don't know all the topics.
Speaker 5: When industry is imploding right now, so I want to
talk about such.
Speaker 1: A bad, bad omen but yeah, we got that Be
and dolanby doing some geek this week, I got some
trailers saved I got some Spider Man news, so we
always there's already some news that could have put here,
but I've overflowedd a Thursday. It's just juicing right now.
And then this weekend the Gimmicks cut back. It's a
mixed gag. The Gimmick is back with myself, S Bubs
and David. Tune in that show because we got a
couple announcements. Should be a fun thing. We were reviewing
Elimination Chamber and actually we'll do the results of our
draft because our Gimmick draft is coming to an end
on that episode, and I need a really good show
on Saturday to beat S Bubs. We're like one hundred
points difference. But in the wrestling draft, that's very close.
David's he's long gone. I'm sorry, David, but I'm hoping
for a hoping for a good chamber. But you know
what I'm hoping for is a good Star Wars New
Leadership happening. So we got this. Uh this came out
late last night from Puck and then a bunch of
other places. Puck is more like a business insider one,
so that's.
Speaker 2: Like a hockey podcast or something.
Speaker 5: Is it an acronym or is it just called Puck.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't know because they don't
do scoops all the time, but when they do scoops
it is more the busy oriented of Hollywood. So this
came out and then everybody like s tear scoopers jumped on.
So clearly this had been out. And I'm not sure
if like Kennedy and her team or lucasfilm, like, hey,
don't say anything, like I'm wondering, because it came out
of like I can't remember last night, it was like
eight nine, Like it came out on the Eastern time.
It would have been like eleven twelve. He was late.
It's not when news is dropping. Since I feel like
someone in blew the whist like okay, we're gonna push
this out because everyone was like, oh yeah, I've heard
this since the end of twenty twenty four. Oh I
heard this in November. It's like, well, why are we
hearing about now? But suppose we report is that Kathy
Kennedy is stepping down at the end of twenty twenty five.
Obviously she took over whenever they did to Bai, I
think it's twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, and George stepped down.
He recommended her, saying, hey, she had already been a
co president of Lucasfilm, but said, hey, I'm selling this.
I want her to run everything she did. Obviously, it's
been a very mixed road. Lots of high highs, but
lots and lots and lots of low low. So it's
been all over. Obviously she's stepping down. There's no like
right now as far as who's the front brother other
than people think it's gonna be Felony. But there's a
lot of people that think that Disney might not go
that route. Obviously we're all obviously we're in a strange
time because Bob Iger is also retiring in twenty twenty six,
and then obviously Foggy. There's lots of rumblings. WHI, we're
gonna talk about Foggy here, But yeah, she's supposedly stepping down. Uh,
Folony's been tossed about, fro has been tossed about. Apparently
there is from Steer Scooper saying Foggy has expressed interests
of taking over. I don't know if that would mean
both or that would mean leaving the Marvel post. I
would imagine. But now this, uh, and it could just
be somebody like an Emma Watts who's a big time
producer at Warnabas for a while left and she's been
doing stuff for a while, or just somebody else out
there in the ether, like how you know we learned
about Big Dan Lynn, right, we didn't know Big Dan
Lynn and then he was gonna be the DC guy
and then now he's not. Now he's at Netflix making
Christopher no and Ai videos. But it's James Gunn. Maybe
it's a partnership. I don't know. So Kirkle, throw it
to you because I saw you smile, so you know,
take it. What do you think about this?
Speaker 6: I feel like this has been a long time coming,
just with how spicy some of our casts have been
around the Star Wars subject.
Speaker 2: I'm not like a.
Speaker 6: Big follower on the the ins and outs of what's
going on with like the general maybe audience's opinion on
Kathleen Kennedy. It's just based on kind of a certain
projects and then don't come out like that's just been
a repetitive thing. And to me, someone fucked up for
that to happen, And the easiest person to blame is
the one at the top of the pyramids. So I
definitely think that they should be taking the most of
the uh, the weight of that flack, if there even
is that. Like, I don't really know what the internal
discourses amongst like the Lucasfilmers or anything like that, Like what, yeah,
just the overall vibe, like are do they think they're
killing it? Like you know, like like for the last
few years been like Kathleen, you're you're so good at
your job, We're gonna keep resigning your contract and you're
just you're you're the be's knees lady, Like is that
the internal or has it been you need to perform
or this is you're you're out, Norman, And well even
to you because this is such a big position, people
in those positions usually don't get fired. They get they're
stepping down, you know, that's how they yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And people don't know if that is it. People don't
know if it's a her decision or if it's.
Speaker 6: Like like nothing's coming out. So to me, something is
wrong for that to be happening, right like that. That
that's my perspective on it. So to hear this news,
it's it's just like, well, yeah, that that was gonna
happen at some point. I'm surprised maybe it took this long,
but the fact that we haven't had another Star Wars
movie since.
Speaker 2: Was it actually the last Skywalker?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Okay, right, Skywalker the last Guywalker Saga movie is what
I mean to say.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, six years.
Speaker 6: So for me, it's just kind of been like a
long leak. Now the tires finally flat, like and she's
she's she's leaving. I'm a lot more intrigued on kind
of who's going to be stepping into that role and
just what's what their pitches, you know, like when James
Gun and Peter Saffron, yeah, you go nice some learning
guys number two, Like when they stepped in, it's like,
this is the slate, this is what's happening. And then
of course, you know, famously we had the Star Wars
slate of what's gonna be happening.
Speaker 3: We saw some of those projects.
Speaker 6: But I'm just intrigued if that is gonna be the case,
or if it's just gonna be a quiet takeover nothing
really is changing. I hope it's not that case, though.
Speaker 1: Two things, God Loves Me six and nights. It's easy,
but hard to place the blame with so many moving
parts and investors. Yeah it is, And I don't think
it's all like just like it's just Kathy Kennedy, right,
Like I don't think there's a bunch of stuff that happened.
And like if you look at her track record, one
of the greatest producers of all time, like she helped
Spielberg produce Jurassic Park, like arguably it could be the
greatest movie all time. And even like when Stars started,
I think it was good. But there's just even other
things like the Han Soul thing. You could say that's
her fault, but maybe not her fault, Like you could say,
maybe it's a good thing, Like they were making a
bad movie and she decided to pivot, right, you could
say I need to agree before but and I think,
like what you're tum about kirkle and the problem was
all I won't say the problem. But I guess a
good thing for her was anytime there was like a misstep,
It's like, okay, right, Skywalk came out, but Manda was happening,
and that was a huge win. And there's a bunch
of men. But then and Or came out and they
got like lots of praise for it and stuff, so
now don't I don't know if it's just the timing.
There was some rumors, there's a bunch of stuff. There's
rumors that she was originally gonna retire after Nana Jones
because they thought it was gonna be a win, so
she's gonna kind of go out like you know, home run,
I'm out here, and then that didn't work out. And
then there's also rumors that when the whole chat Chapic
Iiger thing happened, that they asked her like, could you
just stand for a bit, because remember Iger retired, they
got shapick. He came in, pissed everyone off, fivey all
this stuff. They said, make a make ten Disney plus shows,
all this stuff, and then Ager came back. And that
is a rumor that supposedly she did try to leave
originally and they're like just just like wait, we don't
want you to go. So again, like people might I know,
some people are gonna definitely spin and like, oh Disney
got her out. It legitimately could just be her like hey,
I'm done. Like she's like I think she's near seventy.
She's work and she has like a fifty plus career,
like you look at her IMDb credits, Like way before
we were talking about on the podcast for Star Wars,
she's working a bunch of different movies and it's like
Indiana Jones before, right and et like a bunch of stuff.
So Armani Martinez says, does it prove the Last ye
I impacted stars and its viability for the future and after?
I don't. I know some people put that on Last Jedi.
I personally don't. I put that more on Rise of
Skywalker and the aftermath, like what Kirkland stead of just
the stopping start projects. I know, like a bunch of
people in the internet hate Last Jedi and whatnot. They
killed Luke. But like I think if Last Jedi was
really that bad, Rise of Skywalker wouldn't have made a million.
I think Rise of Skywalker was more damaging because that
felt like that was like because that was the ending
to it, all right, it's last time you see Leah,
last time you see Luke. So it's like even the
middle chapter's like, oh right, the ending though, that has
to be special and the fact that it's not. But
do you guys describe that all you think Last Jedi
is where this all started, or you think it's kind
of a collection of things, because I know a lot
of people are gonna have that narrative of like, oh,
it was good until that movie came out.
Speaker 3: You know, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I definitely echo what you mentioned there, or the Rise
of Skywalker is just more significant of a yeah, of
a negative notch m the.
Speaker 1: Only thing that's where all went wrong Last Jedi.
Speaker 5: Oh God, I have no idea. I need to hear
Taylor's thought on this.
Speaker 7: Okay, Taylor, I would say that's where things became divisive, devisive.
Speaker 1: But do you think that's where you think that's the
starting point where they couldn't recover? Like Last Jedi came
out and from that, no matter what Kathy did, they
were just fucked because like a couple years later, Mando
comes out and huge.
Speaker 7: That's that's not where it started and things are down Hell,
I would say, I don't think that's where it started
where things were going downhill.
Speaker 1: Say it again, I thought you did say that, though
I thought you said, yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that's where the fan base became divisive. But
I don't think that's where people were starting to throw
the blame onto Kathleen Kennedy when Last Jedi came out.
Speaker 1: That is definitely more Ryan Johnson. I think I think
there was more people are like, oh, this guy came
in and he ruined Star Wars even though it's like
all these exects prove and they and they gave him
his own trilogy, right, so they liked what he was doing.
But uh, and finally, Spob says, it'd be interesting to
do a cast look at all the canceled scrap Star
Wars stuff for the last ten years. Stay tuned in
July because we have a bunch of casts planned for
our tenure and that is pretty much the thing we're
gonna do for the canteen of conversations. Let's just look
at the last ten years of because like really, Force
Awakens came out the first year the podcast started, so
we've been there. So we're gonna stay tuned. But Taylor
don't say he wants to hear more from you. So, tayor,
what do you feel about this whole situation about Kathy
And then you got any preference of who you want
to take the crown? Big Dan Lynn, Big Dan Lynn. Yeah, so.
Speaker 7: We've talked about this many a time before just the
Kathleen Kennedy and all that, and just the the issues
and stuff that Disney is having with with Star Wars.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not great.
Speaker 7: So her planning a retirement and the news kind of
dropping at the wee hours that it did, I think, Okay,
she just beating something to the punch here because something
was being played around and she renewed her contract what
two years ago? I feel like it was when we
were doing that Star Wars celebration Late Night's stream Travis.
I thought that was around there around that time. Yeah, yeah,
So something is obviously causing her to cut that short,
because I don't think you just you just canceled midway
through a contract like this.
Speaker 1: I think did say two year contract, thought it was.
Speaker 7: I thought it was a five year, a four or
five year, and I think it's two years into it
now she's canceling, And I think either way, I'm pretty
sure she's she's not fully completed that that contract with them,
So there's there's something going on there now. I know
at the end of the day, like I love Dave Filony,
I love the stuff, the certain projects that he does,
because there's there's a certain connection to those characters that
I can I can jive with. But at its core,
I do agree he's not the right fit to replace
her because she is someone who, yes, she's producing things,
she also is sitting in and doing a lot more
this oriented things, lots of stuff that's devoid of the
creative aspect.
Speaker 4: That's where you got John and you got Dave.
Speaker 7: They're working on the creative aspect of things, and they
can stay in those types of positions, but there there's
certain things here that you need to have someone who
is producing these projects and someone that can I think
be more suited to that business end of the.
Speaker 4: End of things and.
Speaker 1: Seth Figgy put them in there and change that cap up.
Speaker 4: I can pig Star Wars.
Speaker 1: That's how you should do it, though, Disney, if you
listening that he should at some convention take off a
hat and imagine it's like the Downing thing where he
puts on a hat and it's the fucking Star Wars logo.
That that pot would be huge, that'd be I'm telling you, Disney,
steal that I do it.
Speaker 7: So I I do think I think that we just
need to get some projects out that are just very
very simple, simple stuff, and I think some of the
projects by next year, like and Or, feels incredibly simple.
But it's it's i'm gonna say, it's very much a
niche thing because it's simplicity. It's talking, it's going into
like imperial political stuff, imperial are uh sorry, like espionage,
all that spy stuff. It's got so many different things,
very simple, but it's like, hey, this is great. I
know not everyone is super into like the political part
of the empire, but I eat that ship up for breakfast, lunch,
and dinner.
Speaker 1: I love it for breakfast.
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's great.
Speaker 7: It's absolutely fantastic, and other shows didn't need to be
super heavyly reliant on the cameos, even though again I
eat that stuff up.
Speaker 4: I like it, but not everyone does.
Speaker 7: People like the originality of and and Or because it's
and we'll talk more about the trailer later, but it's
just it's it's original.
Speaker 4: It's not relying on anything. It's just you see familiar
things from the universe, and that's great.
Speaker 7: And then you have something like Boba Fett where you
got all We've got the rank or or we got
all these other things in here, and and whatnot.
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, that's that's cool.
Speaker 7: There's some originality things tossed in there, and they're not
really relying on things like cad Baine and whatnot. So
I can appreciate that you get the Pikes, but in
terms of just simplicity, I think we just need a
point A to be Star Wars Adventure. And I think
Disney really pivoting to Disney Plus is in retrospect damaging
for them. I think it'll be by the time we
get Mando, what's seven years since we've had a movie
on the big screen. Which that's a failure, and that
is Kathleen Kennedy's failure. You cannot dismiss that has she
had a great early career, absolutely, as you said, there's
like et and there's a Jurassic Park, tons of stuff
with Spielberg, so she's got an amazing resume there, but
not at this point she doesn't have to worry about
She's not gonna be.
Speaker 4: Going look for another job. She's gonna be retiring.
Speaker 7: But at this point this is definitely something that would
not save you if you were looking for another job,
because this is definitely a massive failure and this is
not gonna this doesn't earn money into shareholders pocket.
Speaker 4: People are pissed.
Speaker 7: Yes, I know, we've talked about most of those Star
Wars films, all of them except Solo. They're billion dollar
movies and that's fantastic, but those were what once a year,
once every two years, and now here we are seven
years empty and that's profits Disney and shareholders could have
been making and they're not making that kind of money.
Speaker 4: So they're gonna be upset about that obviously.
Speaker 7: And the shows, Yes, the shows are making money off
of the subscriptions and whatnot, but we've seen how many
viewerships that these newer shows have and they're not like
breaking records, right, I was gonna say, are they anymore?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 1: Like are people subscribing Disney Plus for the new shows?
And someone say they're suscribed for Star Wars the brand? Okay,
I can understand that, but I don't even think it's that.
I think it's just to have, like, oh the backlog.
I like these movies, but like Acolyte, what was I
think it was? Like it broken? Like for the streaming numbers,
the first episode or two is in the top ten
and that which is a big Nose Die Skeleton Crew,
which I love. I think is one of the best
Star Wars things they've done since they've started. They never
even gone to the top ten in the stream the
whole time was on, So it's like, I don't even
know if you can make that case anymore then, and man,
Man's going to the theater, so it's not like Mando,
Like people are subscribing for Mando anymore. It's gonna be
on the big screen now because people have said, like,
that's what's happening with Mando is it's the Moana two
thing where it is pretty much was supposed to be
the season and they said, I.
Speaker 7: Just make it a movie, you know, yeah, And I
mean I think you mentioned it where like if she
retires and then Mendo comes out, that's under her umbrella,
so she's ending on the high note if it makes
a billion dollars, and you're totally right, and I would
not I would not put that put it past them
to think, Okay, that's what they're gonna do, because I
think Andro is gonna be a hit, I really really do.
I think that's the last show as well on Disney.
Plus we don't have any we know, there's an Ahsoka
season too, but we have nothing else on that.
Speaker 4: We just know there's any film to looking at it. Yeah,
so that's way out to lunch.
Speaker 7: There's no other shows coming out after and or for Disney,
plus nothingk slated. The only thing that we have slated
is the Mandalorid and grogl movie.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's put.
Speaker 7: So there's nothing else to really look like look down on,
like what do we got coming around the corner?
Speaker 1: Which could make a lot of sense now with this
timing of like there's not much on the horizon and
we're about to shift gears, which might not be a
bad thing because remember the awkward moment when Gun and
Saffron took over and they still had Blue Beetle, Auquaman
Shazam too, and it was all these movies from a
dead universe and like they never said that, but it's like,
well these movies like really mean nothing in the great
even flashed extent right, Like they meant nothing. Where I
guess it's the only bad thing is because our arm
money asked us about the Revenge is coming back to theaters.
I think it's just to like if it does, big Man,
they don't think it's gonna be big money. I think
I'll just do fine. I think it's just because it's
a twentieth anniversary put it out there. But the Ray
movie and everything like all that in the new trilogy
they announced, I think anything that they it's classic Star Wars, right,
but like legitimately this time, there's like a good reason
that anything that's been out there announced. I think it's
kind of like the gun thing of like don't hold
your breath, Like if it's non production like the Ray movie,
don't know if that's gonna happen, that Mangled movie. Because
if it's just like Foloni or Faver, they might come
in and go, oh yeah, sure, let's just keep going, right.
And that's why God was just six ninety asked like,
is there any sore thumbs or absolutely no ways in
the runner lineup? For me, it is Folony. I don't
I'm not gonna fire him. I'm not saying to get
rid of him, keep them on his post. But he's
I think the problem is he's very much like George,
which is a funny thing because he creates Star Wars,
but like he sees Star Wars one way, and sometimes
that doesn't create the best product to watch. And I
think there's a lot of stuff, especially the past few
years of Actlyte. The rumors was like he took a
chainsaw to that show. Like a writer said like, oh yeah,
he changed a bunch of stuff. She deactivated her account,
and then a bunch of Scooper's like, yeah, he fucked up,
like he did a lot with that show. Because the
problem is, which is not a bad thing. There's certain
things that aren't Star Wars or it's too dark, like
the way George would feel like oh that's like even
stuff with the books that George went like, oh, I
would never put that in my movie because like mar Jade,
that doesn't match Star Wars for X, Y and Z, right,
but I don't, you know, George shouldn't have sold that
was the case, and Dave's not the owner owner, so
for me, and like what that producer said in that
Hollywood article that said he'd get killed from all sides,
I absolutely agree with that because the stuff like Taya
said that Kathy's doing, I'm sure they've had Folony doing it,
but Kathy's been doing it for forty years plus. You
can't just learn and Flony's taking his real posts like
i'd say like Mandalorian Times, the same thing, Ryce Skoyle
Walker six this year, so tons of more experience than
other people have. But for me, it cannot be him,
and that's why I like if it is him or John,
I think I have my preference of like I'd rather
Favre but I don't think he's a gun I don't
think he just wants James Gunn wants to make comic
movies the rest of his life. I don't think Favrau
wants to make stars with me the rest of his life.
But I don't know that. Maybe he does, maybe he's like,
fuck yeah, it's the best gig ever. But if it's
those two, I think things are relatively the same, and
to me, that's not a good thing. They're like if
fig He gets in there, I think there's a big change.
I don't know if that's a good thing, but like
if fig He gets in there, I don't think anything's safe,
like the Ray movie, the trilogy, Like I don't like,
is Figgy gonna want to soak season two? Like I
don't know. And that's to see Figy and Folony like
that interview. I'm not saying they like hayesha, I'm just like,
that's it's so interesting because that would be like the
dad and stepdad situation where Star Wars is the kid
and Flony was the dad, but now fig he's married
the former wife. It's like, no, this is my son
now too, And it's like and full like because that's
the thing that if FIE's expressing interest in it, that
means he like he's getting at MCU. I think one
secret Wars an x men is done, Like he's gonna
he's gonna do x Men do a home run? Oh
he's started on x Men two thousand, he finished on MCU.
What more is there for him to do? So it's like,
if he's expressing interest and if I'm ig and everything,
sure the MCU has been like iffy right now, but
it's like, how do you not try it out? But
I also wonder because my last point on the God's
Colonies six and nine comment is the article mentioned that
Kathy's like recommending Foloony the person. I could see a
scenario that Fullony is like the interim guy and it
goes really bad and they just like almost use his
escapegoat to get rid of them because Figgy. I don't
think he's gonna become the Star Wars present during Secret
Wars and King It's not King Dinasy Tombsday and all
that stuff, Like he stills a couple more years. So
I could almost see them like, oh yeah, sure, let's
let's have Dave. But I feel like they might chapick
Dave Foloni and give it to him and when everything
goes wrong, but yeah, see he was never the right guy.
Let's give it to and then imagine that because Figgie
could be coming off billion dollar Doomsday, billion dollar Secret Wars.
Speaker 4: They bring Kennedy back just like they brought Iger back.
Speaker 1: Maybe, but like that that's me with Filoni is like
I just a lot of things. I just still I
think he's there creatively, but he should not be the guy,
you know.
Speaker 7: So, and my last closingving here, I just want to
share a couple of these crazy Kennedy thumbnails because he's
always just cracked me up. Kennedy trade and these are
real YouTube thumbnails. Everybody there's that one that I got,
This one, This made me laugh, she wants to leave,
And then this is my personal favorite.
Speaker 4: Of the nights.
Speaker 1: Oh my, this will change nothing. You'll miss me when
I'm gone, right, well, okay, that had that's all bad, right,
but the headline this will change nothing. If it is
just Dave and John, it does really to me change
nothing other than like they have less experience than her,
so like I think it would be work. Like I
think if you asked me to pick Kathy John er Falloni,
I'd say get Kathy back for more years, because then
that's just more of the thing with less experience. I know,
people say, oh, Favreau is MCU. I just don't. I
just don't see Favreau doing it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
that's why he's directed Man Learn and Grogu so you
can be like the fucking guy, right, that's his superman.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: There you go, Dylan, how do you go? How do
you feel?
Speaker 1: You know? This is perfect?
Speaker 5: I am the pupil. You guys are my teachers, because
I've been so checked out of Star Wars the last
few years that like, this is all really useful context
and I'm sure the audien I feel like the audience
right now, which which is perfect kind of exactly what
I need here. I'm trying to think so flony. You know,
what was his involvement in Mandalorian season one again in
season one and two.
Speaker 1: Writer, and then is he showrunners Favre showrunner? Like it's Favreau, Okay,
so I think he's like a head writer.
Speaker 5: So he's got his fingers in there a little bit. Yeah, Yeah,
just because in terms of looking at him as being
the successor here, I just have no context because I
haven't really engaged with any of the flony era of
Star Wars stuff. And it sounds like there's definitely some
pros and cons to it, but yeah, the timing of
it does seem kind of strange. But maybe that's you know,
intentional too. But I think what you're saying there, Travis,
of how there's like issues with these other like Disney CEOs,
you know, there was a writer's strike still, like COVID
obviously put a huge dent on a lot of things,
and so maybe like the time just never really felt
quite right and they just felt like, Okay, things are
so chaotic right now, we just got to keep this
level of consistency, keep keep her in this role until
like things smooth out a bit. But at some point
you just you just got to make the toughest vision
the sunk cost, fallacy of it, and just chop it
off and go with something new. Now what you're saying,
if they just promote some other guy who's kind of
been in that same boat, then we're gonna change much.
But at the same time, it's like, wow, getting thrown
in here seems so impossible for anyone else right who
doesn't have all the context, And maybe what you guys
are saying of like, how right now that doesn't seem
like there's a ton of things that are actually in
a meaningful state of production, So maybe this is a
good time to do it when things are kind of low.
But it also means all those things that we're talked
about and announced in our official quote unquotes are kind
of just fantasies at this point too, which I can
see why that's disappointing. But yeah, I mean I think
at some point you just got to make the tough decision.
It's gonna be an uphill battle either way, and it
feels like this is this is not working, And I mean,
I don't know, I'm sure there's a lot of people
in my same boat where it's like I just want
to go to the theaters and watch a Star Wars movie.
I'm not interested in these shows. Yeah, and so just
gotta give me something that they're just unable to do
that We're finally gonna get it next you with Mando.
But yeah, that's taking a freaking long time when that's
probably like your more profitable stuff, imagine. Yeah, Like, I
feel like Disney Plus is probably capped out for the
most part of where it's going to be now. They
growth is probably very slow. So at the same time,
he's got to feed the beast with new shows to
keep people subscribed. But at the same time, the movies
are where you want to be. It's the Golden goose
right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think the only way Disney Plus grows
is like if they somehow get like a Game of
Thrones level hit show all their hands where it becomes
like the must Sy show. But I just don't see that.
Speaker 5: How what they operate, Yeah, or if they acquire like
the paramounts of the world or other random stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, Transformer series, very excited, right, Transformer series. They
got paramounts. Don't worry about it. Let's go. I agree
that the hard decisions because, like I'm saying, he had
more hard decisions. But can you imagine James Gunn when
he becomes president and then black Adam comes out and
Henry Cavill in the post credit, and then a week
later Henry cavill announces that he's back as Superman. You
know how you know that's why that man's hair is white.
How hard that must have been in to sit and
because the rumor is like ca well was not happy
with anybody but particular that I did to get sat
down like we're not doing that. He put a nice post,
but it's like imagine that, like he announces that and
then three weeks later they get him into a room
like we need you to announce you're not suit anymore.
Speaker 4: Was that face to face? And I didn't gut It
was face to face.
Speaker 1: Rumor was no rumors. It was face to face, and
the rumor was it didn't go well.
Speaker 4: It's not saying like fucked them up.
Speaker 1: Bull He just throw outside windows Like I'm not saying no,
I don't think anything was unprofessional. I just think like
Henry ever hadad and just yeah, like he'd never right
to be pissed. But James Gunhead every right to be like, hey,
we're gonna just start over and dine I was gask
you not from you like dil must the the guy
who's like if you're on stores, because I think he's like, yeah,
I do this.
Speaker 5: I could be into it as there's play stars O Laws.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to make the sequel, you know,
if they were to sit you down, because like the
benefit Gun had though, right, and even if Foggy leaves
and someone takes over Brad wind a Balm or somebody,
if they say, hey, this isn't working, we can start
over with Star Wars. You don't really have that. If
someone were to sit you down and say, hey, wet
this new person that we think would be a good fit,
but they want to reboot everything. Would you do you
think that's a plausible thing for Star Wars to ever do,
just to start anew or do you think it's like
there's too much history and legacy there for like the
grand scope of people to accept that we're you know,
we're literally starting over. We're gonna do like a new
hope again. They'll retitle some things. But I was just
wondering from your perspective.
Speaker 5: That's interesting. I mean I don't think so. I think
at most what you maybe ever get someday is like
a remake, but that's not necessarily in the purpose of
being Reba. It's just like a way to modernize it
or like modern tech and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
I don't see them ever doing that. I feel like
there's just enough pockets and we kind of meme about
how they just stay in this dark era and that's
where all this stuff that's like released, that's where all
everything's happening. But there is still a future untold that
potentially is very interesting. You could even if you want,
just kick that fifty years down the line instead of
like four or five whatever, so you can like separate
it more, but it can still be in the same world.
And then once again, now you have all that time
in the middle, you can fill in with stuff later
if you want. And then obviously you guys always talk
about the Old Republic and that era and how there's
a lot more to be mined there as well. So
I don't know, I think there's still so much they
could do on top of like, yeah, like Solo, we
you know, it's not what we want it necessarily, but
it's like if they want to go back to that
old stuff, but there's still places they can, I don't know,
find holes, find gaps to fill, So I don't I
don't think we'd ever ever see that. I'll say that,
I'll boldly say that.
Speaker 1: Remake I was gonna say, I don't know if we'll
ever see it. I bet it will happen, but I
bet we could be. They'll like, wait till that generation
is dead, like anybody that could have grown up with
it and would feel sacred for it.
Speaker 5: Until they have spaceships that can move like that and
they can film it in real life.
Speaker 1: Once Tom Cruise has done his movie in space Bag,
well he did it, we can, we can do it
all and everything like that, and I that's the one
good thing. It's it's halfway because stay that. I know
again you defend your boy Filoni, but Cathy's gone, and
then Dave if he goes. The rumor was that they
don't like the Old Republic. So that's another thing why
I want Filony out of here, because he's just again
it's not Star Wars to him and George, it's just
it's too dark. It's just whatever it may be.
Speaker 4: And some of my favorite like media's are just older
Republic stuff.
Speaker 7: I know, I haven't played much of that Old Republic
Star Wars game, that online game, but man, the cinematics
they did with like this, like Army of Sith versus
like the Soldiers like.
Speaker 3: This on YouTube.
Speaker 6: And then I remember when I found that out. I'm like,
how did I not know about this game? And I
like downloaded it out an mmo, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the game the game has has it has this
fan based me that's fine, but those cinematics are just
like fifteen minutes of some of the best Star Wars
Old Republic cinematics you'll see it is fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And that's you're not going to get that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's true.
Speaker 1: Like your boy to answer question that your boy, the
question that they asked earlier, when I circle back to
Super Mike, I said, it would have been interesting to
see if they released me after Rise Skywalker taking COVID
out of equation. Yeah, that's the thing we've never had,
like point of Okay, what would have happened, because I
don't know what they would have done, but obviously COVID happened,
and like we said, there's a lot of things even
them see COVID and strike happened, so delays by multiple years.
But yeah, it's just I think just Manda was a hit,
and then COVID happened and the entire Hollywood world decided
that streaming is now the future. And then once COVID
was over, they realized how much money they don't make
from streaming, and now they've tried to go back to theaters.
But as we see, it's like tons of people are
just happy to stay at home because like The Gorge
comes out on Apple, or like Netflix has fucking Electric
stayed in a couple of weeks. It's like you don't
have to or these movies come out in a few
like Companion, Like and I can't see right now because
there's many people like myself that like you know, have kids, jobs, life, busy,
can't see it. But like Companion was out fifteen days later.
I was very excited to watch. But it's like that's brutal,
and that's like saying thing like myself, I know that
all it's gonna be here, so I can just buy
it on VOD and watch it there. But yeah, that
would have been interesting. Let's see Esposally Secret is hitting
fifteen million opening weekend, like tear predicted for cat fight
re designs the next day. Yeah, that would be uh rough, Yeah,
that would be a bad time. But I think we're
I I does anyone here not think doomsday? And see
Wars at least a billion dollar movies last year.
Speaker 5: We're good Marvel.
Speaker 1: I think those are like easy check marks for them.
So yeah, we'll see, we'll see people. Some people say
we might hear some celebration. I don't know. I guess
maybe she could announce something. I guess it's in Japan,
so I'd hope they're nicer. I just would hate for
her to announce something and people to like cheer.
Speaker 4: That because I don't think she would announce.
Speaker 1: It that I hope not, because I just don't well,
because she, like, for whatever happens, is not deserve that
or that crowd's like I'm leaving, like yeah, like it's
just like it's like, man, she put in a lot
of work and like like not everything went right, but
it's like, yeah, maybe it's time for a new captain.
But uh yeah, this will be an evolving story we
talked about for the next year, and who knows, maybe
there's somebody we don't even know out there. And that's
someone I wouldn't even mind either if it's not Fire
or somebody like Find the Five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're available. We're sellouts.
Speaker 1: You'd have to have us all because I wouldn't trust
any single one of them. I'm definitely not trusting tales too.
Speaker 5: I would just green lights laws to.
Speaker 4: Movies.
Speaker 1: Actual God, Yeah no you don't want to do what.
Speaker 5: Would you green light Kirkland? You get the green light?
Speaker 6: Water Republic? Definitely Old Republic. I feel like the money
is at the Reven storyline, Like let's just let's just.
Speaker 4: Do Main Reven or Bane. You could pick one, you
do both. They're kind of tacted, they kind of cross
over eigers like one.
Speaker 1: Double lights.
Speaker 6: It would have to be the Darth Baine series. And
I'm so biased on that because I've actually gone through
those novels wrong.
Speaker 1: So you can't do it because you need the hero's
journey and I know as much you want the all,
you could not like if they were pats or walks
on stage like we're doing Darth Bane, like the crowd
goes wild. But like it's also the new movies about
following the bad guy, like I think.
Speaker 4: You need you.
Speaker 1: You can tie that in like Revin with the double
light Sabers. That's a fucking her right there, like coming
back and that's all you do for a bit. That's
what I'd say is, you know tonight, it's a republic.
We're gonna do one movie.
Speaker 7: You do.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can do some animated stuff, but you don't
do anything, no other movies, no Dark Times, no prequel,
no ray stuff. You just build out this universe, because
imagine that mession. If you make a franchise that's like
thousands years before and it's a hit, and then you
never have to rely on well, we gotta get a
Luke deep Fate back and all, who's gonna play Hansult now?
Like if you can just take like that's why I
fucking love Skeleton Crew. That's what they did. They took
Star Wars and made their own thing. They had little
East Riggs, but not like, hey, this is Luke's cousin
and all this is Lea's blaster, Like no, it's like,
oh you know that planet, you know this. And they
didn't even go to shit like Taddey like Skelton Cruise
the fucking Blueprint, but not with kids. That's why I'd saying,
all kids because it's not that's not a massive franchise.
You know, you just can't do it.
Speaker 6: So quick question, Travis, My Reven storyline is a bad
guy anyways.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but so you don't do the story where
they he loses his memory.
Speaker 3: You would have to if you're making the movie, you
would have to.
Speaker 1: But that's your empire strikes back twist. I've always, I
years ago in high school, wrote a three treatment. I
always that's a trilogy movie. That first game, you end
the second movie with the reveal of the Reven story,
and that's your dar favorite.
Speaker 2: We're ready. We're ready, guys, you We're ready.
Speaker 1: We did a trend chrome, We're ready to take on
Star ors. Yeah, tell you some one question.
Speaker 4: Skeletons. Your question, Uh, is it is the name of
the planet? Is it out of Holland? Atlanta? At Aden,
it's at.
Speaker 1: Ye can't say I remember no great great Robot in
that movie or that show. So yeah, Dyl that's another
one along with and Or put Skeleton Crew on the list.
It's a it's good. Don't need to know anything about stars.
Speaker 5: You could watch watched The Spider Man. Yet you think
I'm watching Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 1: No, I was just saying, I'm just saying, you hit
the jackpot and whatever, let's get your hopes up. Don't
get the hopes up, let's get breaking. The will quickly
hit on and Or and then we'll be right back
and we're back So and Or. We thought that was
gonna be the biggest Star Wars news of this week.
They dropped a trailer, and they also revealed that the
twelve episodes are gonna release in three episode batches. So
we went from a twelve week release. I heard a
four week release schedule. I will say the trailer, I'm
awful trailer. I like what I saw that music. That
music is disgusting. They did this with Skeleton Crew. I
think they feel there's some crackpot team where they're in
their little looking at their stats and they saw ack
line and I think we need trailers with like real
music in it. No, not at all to me. The
whole trailer is it's like scene and then quote from
critics saying, the best Star Wars ever prestige television. That
music made it feel like it was not prestige television.
It made it feel like it was a fucking straight
to DVD thing. This stuff and it looked great, but
that music was awful, like.
Speaker 5: The end of Venom, Like what kind of soundtracker are
we talking here about you?
Speaker 1: But it's just like it's just like rock and roll
music with like lyrics. It's like modern day music. And
to me, Star Wars that's that's a no no. Aclte
did it, Skeleton Crew did it, and and or and
guess what, look at those rains for ack LIGHTE and
Skeleton Crew didn't fucking work out there. So I'm very excited.
I'm kind of bummed by it. I think everybody is
or a lot pular excited by the release schedule. I
guess for me, it's probably more just podcasts related of
one when from twelve weeks of content to four and
then also just like from a business standpoint, the first
show was already the lowest Star Wars show before Acolyte
and Skeleton Crew, so now it's like now it's only
out for four weeks, Like I feel like this is
easily people will could miss it and then just forget
about it. So I don't know if it's like they're
like putting it out to pass or I don't think so,
because the idea is these three episodes each them tell
an arc, right, but they did that last time, but
they did it weekly, so I don't know. I am
very excited to have the best Star Wars back in
the Disney era, so it's gonna be a good time.
I think those reviews will be juicy. Not looking forward
to Tuesdays where I gotta watch like three fifteen minute
episodes back to back and then jump on for the review.
That's fun to dangle with the kids and the twins.
But uh yeah, trail looked fine. The music choice, someone
should be let go for that. Maybe that was that
was it? Actually Kathy's like, I have the song put
on the trailer and I gres saw He's like, you're out.
You know, that's the last straw I saw the end
or trailer. You're out by twenty twenty five. Okay, I'll leave.
Speaker 2: But kirkle so extreme, You're so extreme.
Speaker 6: I it's funny. I I watched this this trailer first
on my phone at work with no volume, and I'm like,
the Kirkland way so good. Yeah that you know, always good.
It's like the the prequel trailer. Viewing it, it's always
no volume on the phone. I got a new phone now,
so it's the big screen, so it's a lot nicer
to watch things.
Speaker 1: Go on.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to you don't pretend I'm working, you know.
Speaker 6: But anyways, So yeah, I thought it was an amazing
looking trailer and or to this day, I I haven't
I don't have a list, but I feel like it's
my favorite Disney Plus content like it it is.
Speaker 1: There's something on Patreon a couple of years ago recorded,
so there you go.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so there you go. Thank you for reminding everyone.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I watched it there and then I rewatched
it on the iPad, bigger screen, but with audio this time.
And again I love the trailer. Music definitely took me
out of it. So I hear where you come from, Travis.
I feel like initially I was liking the intensity of
the music, but then I thought back to and Or
season one, and I'm like, that's actually like a very
like melancholy like Tower show and this music is nothing
of those vibes at all.
Speaker 1: High tempo, fast and furious music.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and even what they were showing was like pretty
much part like it was on par with the music
in a way, like it seems like it's more I
don't want to say uplifting, but just more less depressing.
I guess, like like there's dancing, and there's you got
our main and or man looking all handsome and suave,
giving a smirk, little smile like a scoundrel. Like there's
just a different vibe that I'm getting from the season
versus season one. But that being said, I don't even
remember season one trailer, so I don't know if that
felt very much like this or if it was a
lot more of a Dowur feel. But yeah, I it's
just definitely a different tone than I would have been
expecting going into the season. I still am so excited
though for the show, like I like and Or Season
one is just it's so juicy for me.
Speaker 3: I love that show so much.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I have no wavering on the show.
I think this was just some execs or some market
team trying to make it look like super sexy and
it's like I didn't work here.
Speaker 6: So yeah, like for how they they did the trailer
too in a positive way, I feel like it doesn't
feel like a Star Wars like I don't know, It's
it's hard to say, because like it does, it's obviously
Star Wars or Stormtroopers now, but like, but like, it
doesn't feel like other Star Wars trailers that I've seen,
and and Or is a type of show that isn't
like other Star Wars shows because it's it's really engaging
and like intense, and it doesn't feel like, I don't know,
like a Saturday day morning cartoons sort of like like
and there's not necessarily wrong something wrong with that, but
it's just it's nice to have a different feel of
a show, like how we got Skeleton Crew, which feels
different from other Star Wars content, but very much for
a specific audience. I feel like and Or is that,
uh and just a lot more in my type of
category of shows that I really really like. And Star
Wars pairing is perfect and just yeah, everything that they
introduced in that first season, I absolutely love all the
shots I saw in this.
Speaker 2: Although it is a different tone, I'm still excited for.
Speaker 6: I'm still really really looking forward to that. April twenty second,
I think is a release date in terms of the
release window, it being in four chunks.
Speaker 3: I mean, I loved it.
Speaker 6: For the last few shows that have done it, Spider
Man would have been the most recent one. Just because
I love the show so much, so I'm expecting to
love this show so much so to be able to
just binge.
Speaker 3: Them in that sense.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you know, my my, sometimes I get off work
a little bit later, So it's gonna be interesting just
timing those those three hour viewings.
Speaker 1: But midnight reviews, here we go.
Speaker 3: We'll get her done. We'll get her done one way
or the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, I don't think they'll watch the trailer right,
don't need to watch it, no is yours?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the music has grown on me after rewatching it
again and again again, I'll say it's not the best
music for the trailer. And I was curious that the
first trailer for the trailer for season one evan Or
definitely a complete different tone, and I think something a
little bit more slow and on beyond.
Speaker 4: Would have worked a little bit more for this trailer.
Speaker 7: But that being said, again, watching it repeatedly, like I
like once, then a couple of hours later, watching it again,
then again later on, I was like, Okay, yeah, it's
kind of warming up a bit, but it is not perfect.
The trailer itself. The visuals oh Man like Rogue one
is top three for Star Wars movies for me at
Rogue one, Revenge of This is an Empire. It all
just it circulates in that top three list. I just
some days I'm feeling this one, some days I'm feeling
that one. And it's just the fact that we're getting
this story now, getting closer and closer to Rogue one.
And there's certain events in here too that I had
no idea about, like the Gorman massacre I think it's
called Gordon massacre. With this peaceful protest happens, the Empire
just just guns all these protesters down.
Speaker 4: That's supposed to be in here too.
Speaker 7: A lot other little things, other events that happened as well,
So there's lots of stuff going on that I'm thinking,
Holy shit, this is gonna be really cool. And I'm
excited to see how we've developed from that that first season.
Speaker 4: And again I was not expecting Sagerea. Man, they just
bring this fucker back, just keep holding them. I mean,
I'm I'm kind of done with him.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be full.
Speaker 7: You know, you think he's only popping up in live action. No,
he's popping up and animated just as much as he
is in live action. And he did some things in
bad Batch. That really pissed me off. So I'm not
a fan of his character.
Speaker 4: Uh. He made some very evil decisions, uh and it
killed some people off and so I didn't like that.
And so he's which it.
Speaker 7: Fits with his character absolutely because it's just him being
a he's very radical. So to see what he's up
to here, I'm intrigued, but I'm mostly intrigued to see
what my mom was up to, say, what Luthan's up
to the big thing as well as I can't wait
to get back into the imperial political side of here
with director Crenick back and then Project Stardust and then
especially I'm hoping I would love it because Ian Is
he's popping off is Palpatine and the animated shows still
and if we just get another scene of them holding
like a senate hearing and he just pops up, Oh
my god.
Speaker 4: Pizza, I love that.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way Tony Gilroy's putting Palpatine in this
Star Wars show.
Speaker 7: And I'm inclined to believe you, But I just want
to be optimistic and hope for it. But I'm not
gonna pizza bet you because in my heart I know
it it's not gonna happen, but in my mind, I
just want it to happen, because that'd just be so sick.
Speaker 4: I remember in The Bad Batch when he just came
out of nowhere and you weren't expecting it.
Speaker 7: You get this quick five minute scene of him talking
all politically and evillly.
Speaker 4: It's like, holy fuck, this is just incredible.
Speaker 7: So if we get that here a man Mathma is
trying to like plead to the Senate like, oh, Palpatine
did this ship and ordered an execution, ordered this execution
of this pro peaceful protest is a horrible masker. And
then he just like you hear the bell ring and
he comes up in his center platform and he just
starts talking, Oh my god, oh sign me up.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're signed up.
Speaker 3: Cyril was in the trailer too, good old Cyril, Cyril.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he has that hard on for the.
Speaker 7: I can't three episodes of him eating milk, and so
I hope so they should.
Speaker 3: Just he became like a commander drug for me.
Speaker 2: I hated that character initially, and then he just yeah,
he's a commander now.
Speaker 1: In my no, no, no, always a commander.
Speaker 4: But I guess we got k two s o as well,
popping in as the droid. We do cool.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for ah, let's see.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you guys watching Eventual? Yeah Kirkland, you watch it incible?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Season one.
Speaker 5: Two or three episodes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still watch. I haven't caught up the last episode,
but I'm liking this season more than last season. Very
good show so far. Animation is still a little man
like people say, but I'm juiant. So uh so let's
get into some about you know, one person to another. Uh.
The dc is slate so on Monday. I don't know
why they did this, but I think they're just like,
we got to start talking because people are getting Nancy
like myself because we did a newscast, me and I
did weekly geeks. So it's funny that we did talking
about like some issues we had with the DCU stuff
going on. And then Monday they did this prece event
where they announced a few things, but it was more
of like, uh, you know what's going on? Which you
know what? And I will say this, actually is it
called or quarreled?
Speaker 5: A lot of my concern professor at Quarrel, he's a quarrel.
Speaker 1: This calmed some of my concerns because I respect that
pretty much what they went out and they said that
they got a six year plan from Superman to now.
There's a lot of things that I'm gonna go some
points and if you'll have nothing to say, we'll move on.
But they have very much stress that when we hear
about movies, because there's movies that they talked about this
president where they're like, oh and t Titans and even
Saffron was like, yeah, Anna near Waga's writing that and
James like, well, we've never announced that. He's like, no,
I'm pretty sure we have. And James like, no, that's
just Scoopers that got that we've never publicly said.
Speaker 3: So he let it.
Speaker 1: He let like a writer go accidentally. But I appreciate
that they said that. That stuff that like we talk
of all the time, like oh, they're doing this movie,
doing this movie. That anything we hear from DC in
the future, it's like in development. It doesn't mean it's
a sure thing James gonna stick in to. Like we're
gonna have a plan and write a script and if
the script is great, we're gonna go through. That's why
Clay Face and Sergeant Rock, which weren't on the original site,
are going through where like he was honest and said, like,
oh stuff like authority. We've made a bunch of changes
and it just doesn't work, so we don't want to
rush it. What was a Booster Gold because he said
there's been a bunch of bumpy projects. But he said
Booster Gold. We had a showrunner and they just dropped
out and said we didn't want to do it. So
that's where that went. He said, the Waller Show, we're
making lots of script issues. What else was there? There
was another there's another one of those. But I really
appreciated that they were very candid and honest about this.
So I a lot of the worries I had have
a lot of fires been put in the water. But
the one thing I will say, some we old point
by point here. Those were some of the things that
they were talking about these projects that are like, yeah,
this is why we're just we're not they don't want
to stick to Hey, we've announced this and we have
to do it because we put it out there. I
think I do like that because we've talked about like
MCU's finally doing that with like war machines, whe they're like, yeah,
you know what, this isn't a good idea. Let's not
do this. We're before maybe they they would have been
like we have to do this. But this is where
I saw some worries. They said that they plan on
having seven projects a year. Originally it was two movies,
two shows, but now they're going with two live action movies, uh,
one animated movie, two live action series, a live and
then I think it's like a live action animated or
so an animated show. Either way, seven projects, right, very messy.
I saw this Mike in the discord. If they James
Guy the Fall of the DCU red, I thuon now,
I don't know what yet, but if it's all in
the DCU, they Gun and Company and Saffron should know better,
like look at MCU like like there's already too many projects.
But yeah, Kirk, how do you feel about that? Seven
projects a year? I'll say this again because I know
it's word vomit. But two live action movies, one animated movie,
two live action series, an animated series, and then I
don't know there's something else that's seven. I've sucked it
up again.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be at least two animated series.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. Yeah, I think that's
what it is. Yes, because those are a bit cheaper
to make. But seven projects a year is their plan,
and they did say that they do play in six
years to culminate in like an Avengers type of movie.
My last one too, I guess before I throw the
use that he said they very much want to try
to not make it the homework issue. So it sounds
like they want to be like MC Phase one where
yeah you had Cap Ironman, Thorn Hulk, but like they
weren't super connected, right, little connections. Sounds like they want
the DCU to be that going forward. So it's like, oh,
why is clay Face happening right now? Just because they
think it's a good idea and they want to make it.
They don't want a bunch of you got to watch
this to do this.
Speaker 6: So I know it's a lot there, but yeah, I
mean seven projects a year just for DCU, I feel
like that's a lot. And you know, as a podcast
or someone that talks about these things, that's awesome. More coverage,
more discussions, I like it. It just seems like such
a high number though, to like just out of the Gate,
like just that's our goal and that's what we're gonna
be sticking to. I feel like over two years, that
like makes a lot more sense. But yeah, I guess
they're just up in the ante and it's uh. I
I don't know how it's gonna feel natural and like,
like even for a DC fan, I feel like it's
gonna be tough to like follow all of that, like
seven projects a year when and especially if it is
an animated show and then like a live action, Like
it seems like it's gonna be covering like a wide
range even though it is all under the DC banner,
so to get that, although they don't want to make
it like homework, it kind of is, you know, like
if you really want to get all of the lead up,
like you're gonna be doing that. So if, like you said,
a couple of years down the road, they're like, it's
all gonna be aligning to this, it's just hard for
me to really see it looking natural and clean and
uh without things being canceled and issues, because even just
getting a project out has issues, right, Like it's like
many things we just talked about, the whole Disney thing
or sorry not Disney Oh yeah, I guess Lucas Phill
and Star Wars and how many things were promised and
many things were not seen by us or by any anyone.
So yeah, no, that's just my initial thoughts and uh
but as a glutton for content, like, yeah, seven seven projects,
let's go.
Speaker 1: And I do think it's smart for them to clarify that.
They said, like, unless we announce this in production, don't
take it as yeah, like to kind of like we
talk about with Star Wars, they'd always say like, hey,
we're doing a ray movie, and what would always bug
me is they would announce it and they're still meaning
they don't even have the script done stage, Like yes,
that's that's what bugs me. Where I like that. They
even said with Flannagan that he pitched them on clay face.
They said, no, he wrote a script. I'm assuming he
wrote a script during the strike. I'm not gonna say
he did, but it's just like they're like, oh, and
then he turned it into script, so I'm just like
he had some downtime put and like, this is a
great script, We're gonna do it. And then they announced, Hey,
this is actually going into production in the fall, like
it's happening. We're all these other like we talk on
these rumors and stuff, but again that's not stuff they like.
Me and Taylor talked about last week that Daniel Craig
dropped as Sergeant Rock. Like you said, they've never officially
ever they there's nothing gun Saffron DC relay them saying hey,
Sergeant Rock is coming. It's just stuff that because it's
the way we the world works now, right that all
these scoopers, they they get charts and they get casting,
so it's like stuff that you don't even want out there.
We're Star Wars. That's what bugs me. It's like, don't
officially announce the Ray movie till it's like we're good
to go, we're locked and loaded, which they've done with
many right.
Speaker 5: So mm hmmm, yeah, I mean I have a you know,
I'm not gonna I don't have my own hashtag like
Travis told you, but I feel like I'm gonna do
the Dylan told you here because I feel like since
this thing was announced, I was like, this is far
too you know, bold and brave to use the Batman
naming scheme to come out here at the gate without
anything in production at all, and announce all these things. Uh,
and there's gonna be connectivity between the animated shows, and
they're gonna do the voice actors, and they're gonna come
into live action. It's gonna be seamless and perfect, and
all these things are gonna happen. I was like, no chance,
Like that's just not it's not gonna be as easy
as they envision it, which clearly has been the case
if they can't get you know, writers to stay in
the room long enough to write some of these things.
And I think now, especially like up in the ante
to seven, just seems like even even crazier. So I
don't know, I like, we still haven't even gotten Superman yet,
you know, Like I guess it's kicked off now with
Creature Commandos. But and then you know, all of this
is built on the foundation of like WB's incredibly shaky
foundation which at any moment could just slip out from
out of them and cast all this stuff anyway, which
feels like six year plan really, Like, I guess it's
good to have to think about the future, but at
the same time, you think that's gonna last that long.
We'll have to wait and see it, And it's like
kind of outside their control to some extent too, unless
their movies are all just huge billion dollar movies and
all these shows make a shit ton of money. But
I don't even know how shows make money. Really, I
don't understand the economics of all that. It's hard to
follo those sometimes. But yeah, I don't know. This is uh,
not really surprising to me. I guess I've always liked
the transparency, But at the same time, I think it
could lead to some bad blood with people who are
really excited about these things. You know, the world's number
one booster gold fan. Holy shit, I'm finally getting a movie.
I can't believe they announced that and then it just
gets pulled out for really no, like this, that's not
really good reason, Like oh, the writer kind of just
said give up on it. Like that sounds like you,
we're not pretty much effort in that project. If like
it was that easy for it to fall apart. I'm
sure there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes,
of course, but yeah, I don't know. We'll have to
wait and see, But I don't buy it. I don't
think it's gonna go off as smoothly as they expect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I appreciate them being honest, but they also
don't need to say seven projects, right they because like
if things don't make it stay, I'm sure they won't
hit that all the time, right but just I guess
maybe just put out what you're gonna put out. But
I don't know, maybe it's just higher reps as well too,
saying we need you to have a quota of this,
this and this, you know.
Speaker 5: And yeah that the no homework thing. To Kirkland's point,
like so we're getting seven things a year for five
to six years before we get so we're there'll be
about thirty to forty projects in between these, like team
up things well health.
Speaker 1: I think they're planning. So I think their plan what
they are gonna try do, which I wish the MCU
would do, is something like Clay Flace, like you won't
have to watch at all period. Like they're just like,
we want to make a monster movie for forty million
dollars and that's like a cheap movie we can put
out during Halloween. Boom done. Like I think they do
plan to have many of those where it is six
to seven, but it's like, how like right now, I
guess MSU kind of did. Like with Moon Night Right,
you don't have to, but at the time we're like, well,
where's Moon Night playing everything. I think they don't want
to make it, Like I think Justice League will probably
just be your like Avengers, where hey watch these you
could watch these four, but like you don't have to.
You don't have to watch Guardians right to watch Avengers two.
They have nothing to do. But I think that's what
they're trying to do. Like overall, a spob says, that
means we're gonna be get fifteen DCU projects in time
between Batman's Reeves movies, which you know what again, gun
they did again. I appreciate the clarification after the delay
and everything. Obviously they could just be lying and just
bullshit us, but they said, like, hey, that's not our
plan to make him the Batman. We're doing our own thing.
And I've said before, as long as I get the Batman,
I don't really give a fuck what they do with
the DCU. They can do whatever they want. Does that
Reeves finish his stuff? But they said they have no plans.
I think what is interesting before I throw the Taylor
is they said they're working on the script and the
first person to see the script will be Andy Andy Mushet,
who is the director of Braving the Bold, which to
me makes very little sense that he's like, has very
little connection with this project until they finish the script.
I'm just saying, he ain't directing this movie, and I
think it'll be someone else. It could even be James
gun because Jamis Gunn says he loves Batman and he's
working on something and yet da there's even talks of
like no talks with people just wondering if he's doing
a Batman Superman moving like a team up and he's
not doing this. But I'm happy that Pattison is not,
uh not doing that. And uh yeah, they announced like
a Green Lantern animated show. They announced a Starfire animated show. Yeah,
they confirmed that Teen Titans film. So there's some stuff
they did confirm here. But Tay, what do you take
from uh all the do you think? Do you think
James Gunn just he just is like, no, no one
else can do this. So I'm gonna direct it.
Speaker 7: I did Creature Commandos, I directed Superman, I'll direct Batman,
Brave in the Bold, Supergirl.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna direct all of it.
Speaker 7: I think with uh not not he didn't do Supergirl
Supergirls halfway through pretty I'm saying, I'm saying he'll just
take over.
Speaker 1: No, he said that script's going well, like he said,
the production's going well, that's gonna be ready for next year.
I think the ones that he will be a part
of Creature Commandos was just like like whatever, he just
did that because he just wanted That's what James gun
isn't thing. I think anybody that is in that Just
League movie, that's where he could step in. Where it
is Superman, Batman, I don't know where the fuck Wonder
Woman is. Obviously we'll talk on Monday about the game.
But like even in general, like canceled, you should probably
be getting that that thing going. I'm already said the
six year plan and no video games. James Gunn did
say expect something in the next couple of years. I
think Warner Brothers Games is just a mess right now.
So I feel like James Gunn, like I get the
film thing under control and then worry about the game.
Speaker 5: He doesn't really have anything to do with that r.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Because he does. He doesn't know, but I know he
said that they're gonna make games for the DCU. So
I don't know what that partakes, but they're just like, yeah,
just wait on that. Warner Brothers Games fucking release.
Speaker 4: A new roadmap for Kill the Justice League game or anything.
Speaker 5: We're getting to ten projects a year. Everyone had some
games in there, good to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but here continue Hi, So I can answer your question.
He'll do that with the important projects if he feels
it's not working out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think his transparency and his bluntness just address that, Hey,
this is how it is with these projects, and that's great.
That's wonderful. I think other companies could look at that
and learn a thing or two.
Speaker 4: Disney, I would love to know.
Speaker 1: I would love to just sit by you down and
be like, why was marshally announced in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: And here we are, you know, and have James Gun
in the room with you when he.
Speaker 1: Breaks down, Like, honestly, that's not their biggest thing. But
I would love to ask those though this particulars, but
they don't. Right we're gone. That is something he is
doing a bit differently.
Speaker 4: So mm hmm.
Speaker 7: The plethora though, of projects that are gonna be coming out,
I am just overwhelmed. I mean, I'm totally okay with
you know, two a year, sure, I'll be greedy, but
one a year.
Speaker 4: Totally works for me.
Speaker 7: Like holy smoke, I don't need like on and on
and on and on like a show and a t
and a movie. That's totally fine. But I mean, clearly
they have some goals and clearly they want to make
up for lost time. And what happens is some of
these projects bomb. I don't think Superman is gonna bomb,
but what happens if Superman doesn't do very well?
Speaker 4: And is that going to kind of rock the boat
a little bit?
Speaker 1: If Superman if that bombs or disappoints, I think it's
actually just over. I think it's just they go back,
Like I think this is all I think it is.
I think they'll do like, oh, I think Reeves will
be fine, but I think they'll just go back to
We'll just do a project here and there. I don't
think Superman is gonna bomb, but I think that's what happened.
But like to answer your question, that's why you make
clay face for fourty million dollars, right, Like that helps you?
That's right? Oh, well, this is a two hundred and
fifty dollars move two hundred and fifty million, like Joker too, right,
like that, look what happened there? So if you make
clay Face for forty million, easy, Sergeant Rock forty sixty million,
Like I don't know if anyone wants to sarge at
Rock movie. But like you know, Green Lanterns is a
TV show on HBO Max, you know or HBO Sorry,
just HBO. So so Mike says the Superman two happens,
Does gun do it or pass it off? I think
he definitely does it. But I think I do agree
with the rumors because he says he's writing something. It's
not announced. He just says it's connected to Superman. I
do think he is. Because that's the other thing too
with the Batman. He said, well, you might see the
Batman before Raven Bold. I guess you could have him
in clay Face. There's a chance. But I think you
will get a Batman Superman movie and it's gonna be
called World's Finest and that you'll have the team up first.
And I'm gonna laugh if it makes a billion dollars.
And because the whole thing about BVS not making a
billion dollars, I don't know if it would, but I
think that's his next project. But my point is, I
think Superman two is like after the sixty plan, unless
it's a massive movie.
Speaker 4: What was the company he said about Batman, you'd see
it before.
Speaker 1: He said, there's a chance you'll see him before Brayball,
because what did.
Speaker 4: They said that before? After Creature Commandos?
Speaker 1: He said this, like it on Monday?
Speaker 7: Oh just oh okay, now gonna say like Creature Commandos
already proves his point because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in there. But I think people said like
would because he said they're not gonna, which was also interesting.
He said he's working at the writing braid of the Bowl.
He said he would not reveal the writer because there'd
be too much pressure on them. So I'm very curious
who is writing Brave.
Speaker 4: In the Bold.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe legitimate or Peter Saffer And he's like,
I'm gonna write my first movie and that's gonna be Batman.
But no, I think some report asked about clay Face
and he said, like, there's a chance you'd see Batman before.
I think it's because they have no idea when Braving
the Bull is, and I think they just have I
think it's all Matt Reeves, because unfortunately, he did say
that Matt Reeves still hasn't turned the script yet for
the Batman, and Matt's, you know, take taking his time,
he's cooking. But I think that's the problem. They have
no idea when this Batman movie is. So it's like
like they got to get Batman in there at some point,
right and cast Glen Palell so.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, give me some points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give you some points for sure. So all right,
let's take, yeah, last a break, and then we'll be
back with some daredevils. We'll be right back. Ah right,
and we're back and quickly before we ah.
Speaker 6: Do it.
Speaker 1: I guess I can't just quick quickly today they or
I guess a couple of days ago whenever, during the
press for Daredevil, they announced that they are doing a
special presentation for Punish or they're bringing those back. We
kind of thought those were dead, but they're doing that.
It's gonna be starring John Burthall. He's also co writing it.
They actually got a guy that I can't remember his name,
He directed King Richard So a guy that's co writing
directing it as an Oscar like film producing guy. So
there's a lot of stuff behind here, no idea of runtime,
but they did say it's gonna come out next year.
They said alongside Daredevil season two, which Daredevil season two
is confirmed for next year. I don't know if that
means like literally at the same time or like a
before or after, but yeah, because we're talk about Daredevil,
thought we bring some news here, But yeah, Punisher getting
a special presentation. Dylan as my former Netflix Marvel reviewer boy.
Obviously we reviewed the first two and now obviosly not
a show. I think we're not gonna a show because
I think birth Ball's just like I think he's too
busy now to do like that, you know, thirteen to
nine episode thing. Even Daredevil, I doubt I think he's
in there for a couple episodes. But I think this
is just like he's in an old movie now and
he's like doing all this. He's in the account two
coming up, which almost drafted. But how do you feel
about a special presentation for the Punisher?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really thought those were dead. I didn't think
we were going to get any more special presentations, and
I'm trying to think I guess it was. Was it
twenty twenty three Christmas when we got the Guardians one
or was it twenty two? Must have been twenty twenty three, right, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's twenty twenty two, maybe because Guardians came on
May twenty twenty three, So I think it was twenty
twenty two when we got that, right, that would make sense.
You get it, You get it, Yeah, because Guardians came
out in May. That.
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are big time flies.
Speaker 1: So you're searching out it, you're looking at porn.
Speaker 4: He's twenty twenty two, same as well.
Speaker 1: By night. Okay, that was right. Okay, so we got
that one year of specials and they're like, we're done,
we're not doing it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, wow, it's been a long time since we've
got one or even heard, like we've heard a couple
of little pieces of chatter, but like nothing really meaningful,
nothing from like the top tier Scoopers. So this is
pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: Oh this is from the head of Marvel TV. It's
not Scoopers. It's like confirmed, it's like it's happening.
Speaker 5: Very exciting. Yeah, no, that's that's that's really great. I
think as you mentioned, like he he's in a different
spot in his career than he was back in those
days when he was doing ghost recon and random stuff.
Speaker 4: Now this is a busy man.
Speaker 5: Okay, he just knows time for Domesto.
Speaker 1: Stage with this dog.
Speaker 5: Remember, Yeah, all he's got going for his fifty minute
or probably a thirty three minute long special with credits
uh in there. But I think it's cool that if
it's gonna time up with season two of Daredevil in
some way, I'm really excited to see what that connection is.
Hopefully he's in that first season at least for some
juicy bits, so we have some stuff to break down.
It's not just like some meaningful cameover. He pops up
for one second, says you doing red, and then like
backs off and then we never see him again. But yeah,
I think that's cool, and I think maybe it shows
that this character could be a bigger deal for this
era of Marvel. We'll see. We've talked about like what
a Marvel Knight's thing. Is that something they would go
midnight suns like that kind of space. Is that something
they would do And maybe that's where he would pop
in for like a movie or something, if they're building
up to something like that, and maybe Daredevil is truly
the thing that's gonna like kick off that potential thing
we'll see. So yeah, I think that's very exciting. I'm
looking forward to that. I'm sure he's gonna sure he's
gonna crush it in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because obviously there's some credits, and they're always
marveled their credits. But I think the Holy Special was shorter,
but We're by Night was fifty three minutes. If we
can get that same run time for this, because like us,
the point out if it's a special presentation not just
a movie, probably like an hour long, unless it's just
straight to Disney plus movie and they call special special presentation,
I would love that. But I think the good thing
with like Punisher is kind of the perfect character of
like he's out in New York, there's a criminal Orgain
he's gonna take down, and it's just like an action er.
Like I think you can have some emotional stuff, but
I think say that for the shows and everything, I
think this should be like Punisher with like or s
john Wick with Punisher where it's he's on a you know,
not on a hit.
Speaker 5: Because obviously Punisher versus Sidewinder, maybe that could be a
good it's get.
Speaker 1: John Carlo in there. You know, that'd be great. But
I think this is fantastic. My wish obviously would be
a season. But the same way I've always said this,
like what I do, like what James Gunn is doing
with the like the clay Face thing. I would love
they do this. It's a hit, and they're like, yeah,
we're gonna make a thirty to fifty million Punisher movie
and put that out because always the MC movies are
always like one hundred and fifty million plus, Like it'd
be great. I like, hey, we're gonna put out this
Punisher movie in like October, November, like somewhere, like well
even February. Again, I know February is not going good
for CAP right now, but I hope this does well
because I would need more. You know, I don't know
if I can for sure say this, but I don't
feel bad saying John Berthall, I think is a top
five like casting to me for a comic book character,
Like he is just Frank Castle, so he's the perfect
character to be special presentation. Plus like We're Off by Night,
where I think you can make it rateed R and
it's not as bad becaus like well, it's only fifty
three minutes to an hour, or maybe they don't want to.
I know they say Daredevil's tvm A, let's wait till
we actually see it, but I don't know if they
want to do that. And Punish is a bit more
of a controversial character. So it's just music to my ears.
But I said this in the Discord boys because Tear asked, oh,
should we do this? You never know? Wait, can we
expect a Punish your season one and season two Red
show in the next twelve to.
Speaker 7: Sixteen we have to watch Defenders to fill in like
well less episode only eisodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to rewatch Daredevil with Defenders this time. No,
he is not a Defender, so you're in the clear. There.
Speaker 6: Oh so I'm tired, boss, I mean, I'm I'm tempted.
I it's funny because the same thing with Okay, there you.
Speaker 4: Go confirm we're doing.
Speaker 5: It's funny.
Speaker 6: Similar for me with like the first time we'd watched
or first time I watched Daredevil, I only made it
through like a I think halfway through the first season,
and then same thing for Punisher. Actually I think I
made it halfway through that first season, so it'll be
an interesting revisit, but especially just going through Daredevil again
and like seeing that character and the casting, and since then,
I've seen John Berhal in other things and yeah, he's
he's just so fantastic and just taking the baton here.
I think this is just such a great place to
have the Punisher because it's a tricky character to just
squeeze into a project, because he is so extreme and
so different than I think, especially like just other MCU
things that are going on right now. We have we
have killers, you know in the MCU, but like it's
not really a character like this, Yeah, exactly, So like
wonder Man, it's just a different caliber of just brutality.
And I think, especially pulling from the fact that we've
seen him already, like like he has his own show
and we've seen him in Daredel and just seen the
level of the brutality has in my mind picturing where
he would fit in an MCU project. It's like they
would have to nerve him, they would they would have
to take down a lot of the blood and what
makes that character what he is. So I wouldn't want
to do that. Where's a special presentation? Uh yeah, like
you mentioned were fin night like that that had blood.
You know, it's a little gray in there, but yeah, no,
it's like like it has viciousness to it. And I
think the special presentations are just a nice little it's
like a little pocket dimension, you know, in doctor Strange terms,
where like we can just we can just do a
story and not really feel like we have to tie
to anything. But also it's there, it's still in the MCU,
so we can pull from it if if, if we
if we want to. So yeah, I think this is
super super exciting. Not when I ever would have assumed
we'd be getting in terms of special presentations, but it
makes sense. And now now that we're like jumping into
Da Devil born again and just like other characters that
he might be an inner interacting with, it's a it's
a nice period and midnight suns are always you know,
in the in the stars somewhere. I'm a plaid movie
that's never gonna happen, but a character that could crossover.
Speaker 1: Just give us special at this point, My god, just
get him, Just get him in their coach, you know, please,
says he'll be shooting namelessly. Ji creatures Gabe with gray
blood and who said in Secret Wars, I'm down. I'd
love it if he was in. At one point he
does get the war Machine suit Frank Castle and fuck yeah,
like I would. It's got the Punisher logo on and everything,
like I love John Burtha up there with like, oh man,
that would be no crime.
Speaker 3: Better better not to be doing any crime.
Speaker 5: Machine putting on the record. I don't want that.
Speaker 1: I don't you don't want, you don't want.
Speaker 5: I don't want him in the freaking war machine suit. No,
I want him on the ground, boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: He still does just trous along quicker, you know, but
fair enough, fair.
Speaker 5: Enough, too much scroll associations now with that's.
Speaker 1: Fair to what Kirkland said. That is one thing surprised
me that they didn't. They must be confident. They didn't
even wait to see what the Daredevil streaming numbers are.
Speaker 5: Like, because what he had to do is wait a
week or two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this just comes out ands like, oh fuck,
actually no one cares about Daredevil anymore.
Speaker 6: And they could supplement Daredevil too, right, like they like
hearing the like Punishers coming out and then it's like,
oh that's attached to Daredevil.
Speaker 2: Maybe I want to punch Daredevil.
Speaker 6: Now, yeah, it seems like a like a like a
minor niche category of people that they're a pitch to
jump on a Daredevil.
Speaker 1: But the weird they seem to be happy with this
because season two starts on Friday for Daredevil season like filming,
and then they got Punisher. So I have some more
stuff that me and Dylan are gonna talk about with
MCU shows because the Brad winderbaughn like confirmed, like, yeah,
we're not doing the Acoay show like they It sounds
like that's what's so interesting about Star Wars DC. Marvel
like sounds like Disney Plus in general is going to
completely different route now with Marvel stuff. He even said
some of the things, but I'll save that for Thursday.
I mean, mister mess will talk about that Tarfield puns. Sure.
Speaker 4: I think that this is gonna be I mean awesome.
Speaker 7: I mean I loved seeing Punisher and Brenthal is this
character in the Daredevil show. It was really funny how
heavily involved he was in season two and how we
just got the whole court case just focusing on him,
and it was just so much just really focusing on
this character. So for me it was really cool to
just kind of connect with him, and I think that
getting a little bit more of a focal point on
this character is going to be great.
Speaker 4: To have a little bit of like a special presentation
on him too, is awesome.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna definitely be there and like we're joking and
talking about earlier, I'm totally down to watch Punishing see
season one and two.
Speaker 4: I did not realize he had a second season. That's
pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel like Dylan am I wrong in saying is
it a short season? Season two? I think I remember
being small because I remember Iron Fist two was shorter.
I feel Punisher they maybe did that.
Speaker 5: I can barely remember how to spell my own name.
Sometimes I have no idea how many.
Speaker 1: Un tail are you looking that up right now? Or
is back to the porn?
Speaker 4: Back to the porn?
Speaker 1: Okay, damn Punish.
Speaker 5: Ser thing are rated.
Speaker 1: I completely forgot it because I only thought about YouTube boys.
I didn't even think it because I've been waiting for
a chance. I'm gonna fucking announce this right here. We're
just gonna do a full and punishing retro because I forgot.
There's three movies we can retro.
Speaker 4: Punish your war Zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Dolph. Yeah, there's Adulph Langern one from the nineties.
There's the two thousand and four one with Thomas Jane
and John Travolta, and then there's Punisher Warzone with Ray Stevenson.
So we got those three movies as well. So yeah,
Punisher Retrospective twenty twenty six logo for its been because
there's a couple we've still have done, like the two
thousand and three Hulk We've still have done a lecture,
So there's still a couple of that old Marvel Guard
we have not done.
Speaker 7: But uh, Tyorfield, there's twenty six twenty six episodes thirteen
and thirteen.
Speaker 1: No, I guess I just remember being reduced but there
you go.
Speaker 5: So but yeah, look up for those iron Fist. I
guess right that season just because.
Speaker 1: I think that, uh that's season one.
Speaker 3: Get rid of this? How come we in this sooner?
Speaker 1: And my last question for you to do you agree
with Punisher's methods? Like in the real world, would you
be doing that?
Speaker 4: Would I be doing that in a war machine suit?
Speaker 1: Would you like someone doing that?
Speaker 4: I mean if I had the war machine suit? Sure? No,
I think his level of justice is pretty bad. It's
pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was just joking. I didn't think he'd actually
take the bait I support.
Speaker 2: He's just like really political.
Speaker 3: Well you bring it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my cousin's been on a ramp page. But
let's start there were with Daredevil predictions. What do we
think they actually do whip Punisher? How many episodes in
he is he in? What's his arc? We see him
long hair beard? Did we see him shaving? That's why
I've shaven the head like that, because it's the Punisher.
I fuck man John Birth. I'll he has some curly
hair that I can't pull off. But that's that's the look.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: So what do we do with Frank Castle in this
season of Born Again?
Speaker 5: How many episodes again this niner? Yeah, I'm gonna say
I'm gonna say three episodes, one of them being just
like a teaser in the way that we saw like
Daredevil's mask in She Hulk.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: But two episodes where there's there's some meat on the bone.
Speaker 1: I think you're perfectly in the ballpark. I might say
three in an end credit, because now with this special presentation,
maybe they do something to set it end credit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good call.
Speaker 1: I think that might be something. Did anyone have to
look if anyone draft him? I can't remember if anyone did.
I'll take a look when someone's talking. The only thing
I don't know what the whole storyline is, right, because
Fisk's running for mayor and it seems like maybe him
and Matt start working together, and they, of course divert, divert,
and Fist goes off the deep end, and you know,
something happens with Vanessa. Imagine if Frank kills Vanessa, fuck man,
that would be that's a special as fists, imagine a fist.
But what I do want is because I said this
is it's so I apologize to Dylan and listen to
those reviews. I pitched this all the time. In season two,
they set up Fisk versus Punisher, and we've never cycled
back to like the Punisher said, like, when you get
out of here, I'm gonna find you man to fucking
kill you, like, because it's such a great story of
Fisk lets the Punisher out just to go kill other
crime people and then so when he can get out,
he can be the top dog. But then Punisher is
waiting for him. Of course I'm Punisher, A bunch of
family drama, happens, best friend's bad, all this stuff, right,
all this, all these little twizz and twines. My hope
is that we get back to because that scene and
now that these two the scene it the scene of
them in the prison together, that's a top tier Daredevil
episode of Punisher versus Fisk, So I that's the only
thing I'm hoping. I don't think it's gonna happen in
the season, but that's what I want as I want
a birth all uh Dinofrio scene and a content there
I really love, and that plays big in the Spider
Man and Maids series, Like I want Punisher versus Fisk.
If you tell me too, if that's a special, fuck, yeah,
Like I'm there, Like, give us that rematch of them
fighting the jail, so this time Frank doesn't have the cuffs.
Let's go. I'm excited. But what he does? I think
what Dyan said, you mean, you tease him, you meet him,
he gets in there, and then he's maybe they set
up somebody's back and he's gonna kill him. Hopefully it's not.
Speaker 6: Chi, but yeah, I know, I think you guys are
pretty much there with where I would be thinking he
would be maybe reduced it by an episode I feel
like definitely set up for a potential end credit leading
into something, but I feel like it would be kind
of just him helping out a situation more so than
like being a big part of the show, just because
we had that in season two already of Daredevil. And
that's not me saying I don't want it, because I
think he, like season two might be my favorite out
of the Daredevil three.
Speaker 2: I really really love the.
Speaker 6: Inclusion of that character and just the storyline around him.
But I'm ready to be born again and you know,
travel into a different realm and not just rehash the
same story that we had with Frank Calseon.
Speaker 2: Not meant like, but I do want him to appear.
Obviously he's gonna appear, so that's great.
Speaker 6: But I want it to be just a more supplementary
role and then have him on his because it just
seemed like at the end of season two of Daredevil
as well, it's like, Okay, he's he's gonna go get
the war machine suit and fuck up some god now
I'm kidding, but like like he like he's ready to
go undo something, So here I want to kind of
see quickly what he's been doing and then how he's.
Speaker 3: Able to help out. Comrade.
Speaker 2: Uh, what's his name, Matt, I said Charlie, I will.
Speaker 1: I will say, so we don't have a Defender's Daredevil's
season three when you're saying you want to know what
he's been up to, they do answer that and punish
her season one and two. So I don't think they're
gonna directly go yeah, yeah, I don't think they're gonna
directly recap the entire show. But I am wondering, like
in that show, Daredevil wants Frank to be in prison.
He thinks he should be in prison. So I'm really
wondering what the dynamic this go around is. It's like,
is that still not a thing? Has he just been
like yeah, whatever, I just accept Frank's a killer now,
But it feels like he's always very like you, no,
we need like you're sick and you should be locked up.
So but they look like they're working together, So I'm
very curious how that goes or if it's like, oh,
after this, I'm gonna lock you up and Frank gets
out of there as always. I'm curious what the dynamic
is for mad and how uh how deep he is
into the.
Speaker 2: It's like a catwoman Batman situation.
Speaker 1: Those two there are a couple now that'd be great.
Taylor Honey Punisher predictions.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 7: I mean you highlighted some really really good ones with
the season two of Daredevil, because yeah, there's a lot
going on that they don't kind of follow through, and
I just kind of figured, well, maybe Fisk pops up
and punish your season one and two. I was pissed
the whole time because he really just lays it down
hard on him, like I'm gonna come and like fucking
find you, and like he's pissed off. He was set
up by my Fisk, So that's a shame that they
don't kind of touch upon that again. But uh, I
don't know what my predictions would be, and that's just
because I feel like there's still a lot I don't
know about the character.
Speaker 4: I really don't know where he was really just running
off to at the end of the day.
Speaker 7: Devil show, and what he's trying to do now, what
his motivations and his goals are now that he kind
of found the truth about his family.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what to predict.
Speaker 7: Really, I mean, he just finds another city with criminals
and just starts killing them.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, at least because you guys watched the
Punisher show sets up that there's more people to the
family situation, so they didn't they didn't close that off.
There's certain people that yes, that's what that's about. Here,
here's the phone one. I want to ask everybody, what's
the Punisher's kill count in this show? Ooh, my lives?
Does he take? I'm gonna say I'm gonna say six.
Speaker 4: I'm going with six, double digits for sure, double digits.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, fifteen if he's only in a couple episodes.
He's a busy boy. Okay, here's double digits. Fifteen.
Speaker 5: I'll go look at number three.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Ooh, I was gonna go low to. I'll do lucky
number seven, Lucky number seven, okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: Super Mike asked, do you think we'll finally get some
concrete answers on how Kimpin got out of the deal
he made with Daredevil at the end of season three.
That dangling thread still bugs me absolutely. I think so,
because the idea was, like Matt had this stuff on
him and if Kingpin go out of prison, he would
send Vanessa to prison, right, and Vanessa a big character
for a right Kirkland Taylor. I think they will also.
I also think people don't. I know, it's kind of
lame as a crutch, but like the blip did happen,
and I feel like a lot of ship that they
can just go like, well, this this and this happened
in the blip and we had to do this, and
oh my god, Vanessa, oh boy, I'll kill you that
he would take down that. Imagine that and the poorls
just like you took everything from me and I don't
even know where you are in front. So I think
they will answer that somehow Loopoi. I think they. I
think they kind of have to if they just go like, well, yeah,
I figured out how Vanessa won't go to prison. They
don't tell us. That'd be kind of lame, but I
think they will.
Speaker 5: I think so too.
Speaker 3: Or just Vanessa died between shows, we just never see that.
Speaker 1: She's there, but they because originally they they recast her
and then when they did that whole shooting the show over,
they brought the original actress.
Speaker 3: Back then since like you recasted.
Speaker 1: Because he is in the Channel famous questions. Dulton is too.
He asked, Uh, do we think there's gonna be any
MCU cameos in this show?
Speaker 5: I think there's gonna be.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would like, like who likely characters would be?
Speaker 6: Someone that's already interacted with Matt in the past, So
of course we got she Hulk comes to mind her?
Speaker 2: Okay, won't be her?
Speaker 1: Answered echo, Yeah, I comedic for what they're gonna go
for here, and I feel like some people are like
the show. I don't think they're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: I'll go with uh, happy Hogan.
Speaker 1: That's a good get. And that's like a full circle.
Speaker 5: Why is it a full circle spider Man circle back?
Speaker 4: Yes, I would say spider Man Peter Parker in too.
Speaker 1: No, that's why it's a full circle because he played
That's where I was going. He played Foggy Nelson in
the Daredevil movie. Remember I don't know Ben Affleck. Yeah
he's yeah, he's his Foggy.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So that's why that that'd be a very fun full circle. Yeah,
Foggy would be great or sorry, that would be great.
I would love it. This would be the most hype
one never gonna happen if the season ends, because fucking
you know, Brave New World gives nothing. But imagine those
wings collapse and some of the lands and hell Kitchen
and its fucking falcon and he's asking about to being
the Avengers. I don't think they're gonna draft d Avengers,
but man, I feel like, no, I guess Captain America.
Speaker 5: That's where I feel like that would be happiest job
based on what happened in Deadpool.
Speaker 1: That was before the blip though, so that's why it's
probably changed now. That scene, yeah, yeah, that scene happened. Yeah,
I don't know. It's not gonna be Spider Man. I
know people want that that's not happening. I would love it.
I think we've probably yes. Scrody, I would love it
if it was like a Kate Bishop they call him
Marvel Alliance Scroty Chris. I would love Kate Bishop her
to be fighting crime in New York and then to
bump into each other. But like, honestly, like if we
don't get anybody else, I'm kind of fine because we
got punished her. I know it's not MCO came, but
that's all I really need. But I don't know, I guess,
and like if it's Marvel, we're all. The other one
I'm hoping for is Jessica Jones. I would love to
see Christian Ritter back. You know, that's it sounds a
big one.
Speaker 5: The rumors and that was that it's gonna happen and
then it like didn't happen, right.
Speaker 1: But show that got canceled, So you know, pick the
wrong horse there, Pick.
Speaker 5: The wrong horse. I mean, I feel like I think
they'll do like, yeah, they we'll have some of those
ones from the Marvel Netflix bringing those characters back for sure,
but I feel like they got to have some MU
stuff just to really solidify to people and prove like, hey,
this is this is the MC now. I mean, I
guess he's already apeared in a couple of things, but
just to make it clear, I feel like they want
to do a little bit of that be the talk
of the town. And so I think, you know, one
or two small ones in there, but nothing to media.
I don't think.
Speaker 1: This is why I hate that Moonnight, like went to
Egypt and there was a fighting alligator.
Speaker 5: Yeah if they went with the.
Speaker 1: Moonlight, yeah, where if they were in the moon Night
where he was a New York crime fighter. That would
have been so cool to have like practical suit.
Speaker 5: It's still possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still it's still. It's still there.
Speaker 5: Doing these days. Name one movie he's been in the
last three years, it was like five years.
Speaker 1: He's He's in a Garamudl tour movie coming up next.
He's in a Frankenstein movie. He plays Frankenstein and Jacob
Lordi is the monster.
Speaker 4: So okay, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who the bride. Oh the bride'es me
a golf so fuck, that's gonna be that's gonna be good, Taylor.
Any mcu people, and we get your precious iron fist here.
Speaker 4: I would hope we get the legendary Danny n get
I was a Colleen Colleen Wing Colleen get Her in
there too. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm super down to have some of those those recurring
characters pop back in. But I would love to have
some some larger than life MCU familiar faces pop. Bet
who's your pick them? I mean I would love to
see I would love to see Spider Man. But you
said that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Now, all of that happen Uh.
Speaker 4: Aside from that, would also be pretty cool to see
h stars in New York.
Speaker 7: Norman Osborne throwing Norman Osborne Oscorp Tower in there, That
would be pretty hype.
Speaker 1: Scar might be in New York. I don't actually know.
I guess she was in New York.
Speaker 3: She was somewhere in New York.
Speaker 1: Punisher killed him?
Speaker 4: What is.
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 5: Or King King kills him?
Speaker 4: Is that Donald.
Speaker 1: Where Vanessa's still not back? She's like that Martin Star
character where she pretended she was dead, like after the blip,
but she didn't. Actually, Yeah, that's what she's like. Yeah,
anybody you said someone big, but you inspire you larger
than life, larger than life.
Speaker 4: In life, someone is super super big. Ben Uh, I
would probably want to see. Yeah, Thor is not gonna
pop in there. And I can't see a hawk popping
in there. Take a doctor Strange popping in they're.
Speaker 1: In New York, you know. Oh yeah, I want Charlie
to get in there. I know they're happy that he's
in the TV world, but just now I'm back to
where we were in Netflix from like, I just want
to back in the movies too.
Speaker 4: But he did make he wasn't a movie yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, but like one scene like again, and now
it sounds like we're not doing the team. If we
were Inspirement and Daredevil in four, then I'd be happy.
But Tom also asked, what is something you hope is
improved upon for the new Deptflix Daredevil show that was
opposed to that show? All post to the Netflix show,
sorry side, I've heard there's some maybe wonky cgi and
the show is a little disappointing. But what I would want,
and I bet this is where it is, I want
Matt and Daredevil to be more of a gymnast. That's
what I loved about the way he moved in Si Hulk,
that moment where she like looks off the building and
he's like flipping around everything. Like in the comics. There's
so many panels of him jumping and doing crazy flips,
and he has his batons that have like the hooks
and everything, like I want them to the Netflix shows.
I appreciate that they went very grounded, but they also
didn't have the budget for that. If this is like,
give them a little bit more budget. I do want
I don't want to go crazy, but I would just
love to see Matt flipping around a lot, because it's
you know, it's like a batin thing where there are
aerial fighters as well too, so and give them the
double d's as well. They haven't given them double d's.
I think it's the best version of suit. But why
is there still no d's on there? So don't worry Dalton.
You worded at bad and I read it bad. So
we're a winning combo here.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 1: So but we know what she meant. But yeah, and
I guess I'll say this for the desk, but like
less of storylines, I don't care about AK, Like I'm
not sad if we lose Foggy. And there's lot of
times we're just felt like Netflix, like we need something
for Foggy to do. Let's send them to the biker club.
It's like I don't need that. The same way of
like I don't like that Matt has a new girlfriend
and I'm so worried. It's like, oh, she's a tough
cop on the side and here's her, just like I
don't I really don't want that. I'm fine with and
I like care more than Foggy. But I'm literally just
fine with just madd and Kingpin and go from there
and have people come in. But it's just like I
hate when this is nine episodes, so maybe not so
I would like that where I don't need Foggy and
what's his girlfriend's name?
Speaker 2: I can't remember what Marcy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marsci, Yeah, she's like call it like not that
she was in a bunch, but just being like sometimes
feel like those characters were just needed something to do.
It's like, just give Charlie Cox more time. All with
pay Moore, Well, don't fucking Pam. He's great. So that's
my thing is Darede will be more gymnasts and less
side plots that are just gonna phil like filler.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's because that's been a long time since
I've watched the show. It's hard for me to really
remember anything I don't like, which is a good sign,
of course, but I think it would be that for
me is like those shows always had some what felt
like filler storylines in the side and I kind of
feel like that's not really an MCU thing. If we
look at like the Disney Plus shows, I mean, they're
not very long generally speaking, and I feel like they
are pretty to the point there isn't a ton of
weird stuff happening on the side. There's a little bit
of it, so I guess that would be mine too,
just like just focus, zoom in focus, have a good time.
Speaker 1: The tough thing though, is if in Netflix they focus,
I don't think you me didn't would have got Meach
and Ward because that's one of those stories that complete
side character doing random stuff.
Speaker 5: That's different when the main guy why the show's selling
point is weak and you need something like that to
fill it in. With Daredevil, he's great. We don't need
stuff on the side to fill in the blanks.
Speaker 1: You just watched all Daredevil. Any anything you want to
prove upon.
Speaker 7: I would I appreciate not having like four or five
episodes of just sulking Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 1: Well, then you're in the wrong place because this' that's
what Daredebel does.
Speaker 7: Like, if I watched it would have made sense, right,
I would have understood, like why he's so down the dump.
Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, you don't think in season one
and two, Matt it's like a depressed character at times.
He's always he's at the building.
Speaker 5: This guy's apartment's we get the reasoning and.
Speaker 7: The build up towards it when certain things happen and
some backstory, but this it was just like, you know,
he wakes up in the rubble and then.
Speaker 1: He's just looking. He didn't watch before people listen review.
I did tell these guys to at least watch a
YouTube video about Defenders, and then when you get five
minutes interview, they're like, maybe this happened. This happened like
they're like they.
Speaker 5: Might have just watched me and Travis's review.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is Keith.
Speaker 3: You know, it took so long.
Speaker 1: Daredel is often depressed. I thought you were gonna just
say less Kingpin or something, because you guys are just
haters over here.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: Less Sulky and Kingpin as well. Just to add't know
what Taylor said, No, I it's funny. I agree with
everything that you guys said for like just what I
would change. So definitely I'll agree there. I probably more
aligned with Taylor on the fact of not just because
Matt is so in between the dourness and just fighting
like his internal faith and stuff like that, and like
if that's that, that's who the character is, That's who
the character is. I just want to feel like I'm grown,
like he's evolved and he's growing, because we did three
seasons of Daredevil of him doing that, and if this
is just back to square one where he's just going
over the same types of emotions.
Speaker 4: Of like, is what I'm doing right? Should I go further?
Speaker 2: Should I go to the level of killing someone like
I should?
Speaker 6: Like? I I feel like we've already gone down that road.
So I just wanted to feel like and evolved Matt
Murdock here and not just well, it's a new MCU
Daredevil here, so it's gonna we're gonna have to maybe
cover stuff that we already did because not everyone watched
Daredevil Netflix.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like, based on that critique, Kirk not gonna
be happy with this season.
Speaker 4: I feel like probably.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think my thoughts on on those retros,
but I I feel like I found out a lot
about Daredevil and it's like, man, this character is actually
maybe not as aligned with what I like about characters,
Like I thought you would be great, look great fight scenes.
I do want more comic bookie type fight scenes, like
acrobatics like what you said, Travis, we got that in
Spider Man.
Speaker 3: That was really cool.
Speaker 1: Did we I'm like, what kind of noa home did
I miss? Like he's on the Statue of Liberty with
the three swearmen.
Speaker 5: Hey guys, when they throw the barrick, he actually jumped
out the window, grabbed the barrick, threw it back at
the offender.
Speaker 1: The ship defender, and walked in a prison. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, the super mic is what does he mean? The
short er agrees like the show agrees with it, Matt
and o'burnock being too negative.
Speaker 1: There was a quote I think you must not be
in the discord where he said he didn't want I
can't remember the wording, but I'm pretty much paraphrasing where
they didn't want the show to be a bunch of
the heroes sitting around talking about what does it mean
to be a hero and sulking all that they didn't
say sulking. For me, that's not a good sign because
like the best moment of the show is Punisher and
Daredevil on the rooftop talking about what does mean to
be a hero and Punisher being like, well, you're not
actually a hero because you put them down, they get up.
I put them down, they stay down, you know, Like
I think my worry is they keep. The two things
everyone keeps saying in these interviews is like it's really
mature and it's just like Netflix. But I feel like
they don't talk about the actual show. And I think
there is a reason why the critics have only seen
two episodes. I'm not saying I want to be negative,
but it is Disney Plus and we've been there. But
we've been there before when Secret Invasions started good right,
and there's a decline. So I think like as much
as you guys bring it up, like, I think that
might be a thing that that's just that's always Daredevil.
He's always like dealing with who is he and what
does he mean for the city. So that's just Daredevil
like all the time. So I think you do lose
some of the core stuff there and not Yeah, I am.
I've not liked many of the showrunners comments. I can't
remember some other stuff he said, but there's other And
even when you just start me like, oh we did
something even more gnarlier than Netflix, it's just like all right,
Like again, like the show, I didn't watch the show
for it to be mature. I didn't watch it because
I won the action scenes. That's great, but I watched
it for the character stuff. But we'll see. Maybe he's
just a bad interviewer, you know, so possible, Yeah, any
major deffs you adulton as. But we always talk about deaths.
I fogg he's a gonor, he's a dead man.
Speaker 4: Why you say that he's just done? I just think
it's die in the comics.
Speaker 1: Everybody dies in the comics. Matt's he's dying in the
comics and an electra took over. So I don't think
that's happening. I just think Foggy is a dead man
with certain things they've talked about. Instead of just like, oh,
we're some big stuff's gonna happen. We want to make
big moves and and just I think Foggy is he's uh,
he's no more. And I'm I'm okay with that because
I never loved the Foggy Nelson Netflix character. I like
the Combo version a bit more so. And I don't
think so I better not be Kingpin. Kingpin better stay alive,
and he better not end up in prison again, Like
I don't need to go back to prison. There's he
gets away with it, and Matt has to struggle with
that because they're if they're doing a season two or
like I guess it's born against season two. I think
it's yeah, like maybe Kingpin loses, but not back to prison,
because season one he went to prison, season two it
was about him being in prison. Then season three he
went back to prison. So so have them or have
him win, have them beat Daredevil this season, have the
good guy lose and like that's another.
Speaker 5: War moment leading into the second season. Maybe maybe yeah,
or and yeah maybe.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's at their own possibility that Vanessa
dies either.
Speaker 3: And that was gonna be pick that could be something
that could be.
Speaker 1: That because imagine Darede or Kingpin going the next season
like we mean about it, but imagine literally someone or
imagine Matt Murray accidentally killing me and as something like
Kingpin is gonna lose it. So I I would kind
of like them to kill the Nests, even though I
really like that actress.
Speaker 5: So I mean that would be good for those are
good ones. I don't know if I what about Karen.
You think she's she's good, she's chilling?
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, And I hope I hope they
get her in that Punisher special or whatever, because that's
my ship right there they have? Yeah, yeah, so I
would I hope. I like Karen so she killed one guy, okay, just.
Speaker 4: The least ten people.
Speaker 1: That was self defense. He was gonna kill her. That
doesn't count as.
Speaker 2: A kill like him on but he counts.
Speaker 3: He's as King Pitton, he counts.
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, I agree with the Foggy thing, not
as I think Vanessa could be the second next season potentially,
but yeah, I think Foggy's had his time in the sun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Really like Foggy, so I don't want him to die.
I really like his character a lot, so innocent and justice.
Speaker 3: He is a good guys.
Speaker 4: What was that justice?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a proud word right there. That's not a
real word. It's all worlds are made up. What about
Benjamin point Dexter Bullseye? Is he gonna make it out
because he's in the season.
Speaker 3: So is he is in the season?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna make it out?
Speaker 4: He's got the suit now too, doesn't he? I think
he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to be the one that kills Vanessa that.
Speaker 1: He should fuck af fist does everything. But no, I
think'll I think they'll keep them. I think I hope
so too. I want them to keep Ball's eye around.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think he's alive. Yeah, who else is there?
That's kind of everyone?
Speaker 1: Uh, they're introducing White Tiger, so he could always die.
He's another street fighter fight character, but like his daughter's
the more popular one. At one point, there's a big
rumor that Jennerartago's playing his daughter, but that's not a
true at all.
Speaker 4: That's just his name is White Tiger, is what you said? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, White Tiger.
Speaker 4: What's the daughter's superhero name, White Tiger.
Speaker 1: She takes the mantles?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, good snap card?
Speaker 1: He dies and she's White Tiger. So I think he'll die.
And I'm not saying because the actors unfortunately passway since
they filmed. I just think that they're going to set
up the daughter taking the mantle.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, yeah, I think we'll get new
people who die potentially. But yes, I think, especially with
the season, with the season kind of being split into two,
like you don't want to overload this first half with
just bodies, you know, you got.
Speaker 2: To save some of that too.
Speaker 5: Who will die?
Speaker 1: I'm sure new girlfriend. I don't know her name, but
she's a girl. I don't know what she does if
not looked into. But he does have a new like girlfriend, Like,
does she die? Does she know he's daredel does she not?
Like there's another storyline where I don't also need where
It's like I love that we have Foggy in Karen.
They know he's Daredevil. That's not that's checked off. If
we just get to like, oh, he's got another girl
and she doesn't know, I don't need that. I also
don't need that in the show for me.
Speaker 5: Good point. I think he I think they break up
early on because he's too busy being Daredevil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she dies. I think I can see
Fist killing her.
Speaker 3: Jesus a Vanessa for Vanessa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I took your Vanessa. Her name is Sharon. Any
other other than I know to something cooking over there,
but anything else prediction wise, we've not covered post credits.
I just feel like, yeah, Punisher, so they've dared all
season two probably like those two things. Yeah Jones, is
that where you could see Jones? Like if you were
to do something Jones wouldn't be massive. It's just like
Harrison Ford. Hey, Red, it was like Time Traveler now
Red Hule.
Speaker 5: Yeah, season two is it? Is it coming next year?
For sure?
Speaker 1: At this That's what they said this week.
Speaker 5: So I just I just like there's not a lot
of There isn't really room to do some big setting
them up for Avengers kind of thing right just because
of that, So I think it will just be boring,
Like how how how long ago do you guys think
they knew they were gonna do this Punisher thing? Because
that's news now, But like has that been in the
work so or is that a pretty knee jerk reaction
to recent developments and other cancelations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough because they canceled those three shows and
there's other things. I would say in Q four they
probably sat across it.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm gonna say that maybe that's not what
we're gonna get here. Then there's a post credit. Maybe
that's just too reactive enough in development, you know, you
know they can quickly film one scene and throw it
in there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was gonna say. I guess they did
say that that Punishing things come out next year, though,
So I feel like they're confident enough to be far
along toy, like, yeah, it's coming out next year. Oestly
the delight. It's gonna always happen, right, but yeah, I
don't know. Yeah, yeah, all right, Taylor, let's end this
episode laying honest. Well, we'll take another ad break and
then lay it on. We'll be right back. All right,
We're back just in case.
Speaker 5: Sorry, one other thing. Do you guys think this show
is gonna do well? Numbers wise? Is it gonna is
it gonna break some records? Is it gonna be a
part for the Coorus, middle of the pack, bottom tier,
Disney plus? Where's this one going?
Speaker 1: I hope we get the numbers. I mean, I say,
like I I was just gonna say bottom of the
top tier, but I'm just I just don't know what
the hype for Daredevil is like in a good way.
I could see it being bigger because I think bottom
of the top tiers like Moon Night, because I think
it's like like low Key WandaVision, Falcon, Hawkeye and Mood.
I think actually Moon Night is like tied with Hawk
Art something, So I feel like it's gonna be like
in the ball like the Hawk moon Night Realm. That's
what I'm thinking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say upper echelon of those tiers,
but like what you said, Travis like the bottom of
the upper being.
Speaker 1: Loki, you know, or Wanda like not being those two.
Speaker 5: So I'll go I'll go number three. It becomes the third,
your Valcan Winter Soldier. I could see that, sure, why not?
Speaker 4: I could see three or four? I'm with you? Doan nice.
Speaker 1: All right? Hey? What was the prompt you uh put
in the chatpt to get? Did you ask for a
season four? Did you ask for a season to show television?
Would you ask it for?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 4: First I said, uh, do you know the Disney Plus
serious Hawkeye and Echoes? Like yes?
Speaker 7: Since that I wanted to make sure it knew its history,
just to pull from. And then I said, okay, perfect.
Are you also familiar with the Netflix show Daredevil and
the other characters affiliated with that for Dared Devil's three seasons?
Speaker 5: Like yes, yes, but I haven't seen Defenders?
Speaker 6: Is that what?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He knows Defenders? No, never heard of it?
Speaker 4: Oh, I wrote, okay, perfect?
Speaker 7: So between that Netflix series and the two Disney Plus
series and and other appearances with Dared Devil, can you
write me a one season story for the new.
Speaker 5: Just fucking bought over here?
Speaker 7: So that's why that's why I basically dropped it. I
also mentioned too, like make sure you know that this
is connecting into the larger, overall Marvel Somatic universe.
Speaker 4: But that's that's it, So goddamn it starts it starts off.
It's the main show.
Speaker 7: The name of this show is called Daredevil Shadow War
instead of Born Again, and like, I.
Speaker 1: Hate that they're calling it born again. That was season
three they adapted to the storyline.
Speaker 7: But here we are so uh so Episode one, the
Devil's Return. Matt Murdoch, now a low profile defense attorney
after the events of She Hulk, is reluctantly pulled back
into action when Karen Page and Foggy Nelson, I gotta
stop your ready, they say, he's a low profile defense attorney.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, it would make no sense. It's like the
last thing I saw of his case with Spider Man,
which would be one of the biggest cases in the world.
You're you're now defending the guy that they revealed a
Spider Man Avenger.
Speaker 5: There's no one remembers Spider Man.
Speaker 7: No one remembers that Peter Parker Spider Man. So it's
not there's still a record of that anymore.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make sense. So we're not gonna get.
Speaker 4: Into that record because it would have been wiped doctor
Strange magic.
Speaker 1: So what about like all all the records in the
court would be wiped, so all footage of Peter Parker
would be wiped to he doesn't know that's what happened.
It said that people forgot about Peter Parker, not that
he didn't exist.
Speaker 4: So then the case would be forgotten about.
Speaker 1: But there's still a video footage of Peter Parker. No
one's gonna and there's still a thing of like Spider
Man was defended. People, people know of Spider Man, they
know who Spider Man is. Yeah, but but Matt Murdoch
defended Spider Man.
Speaker 4: Defended Peter.
Speaker 1: For being Spider Man.
Speaker 4: I think I don't think it's gonna work out in court.
Speaker 1: I think everyone know thum Ding after all. Okay, low profile.
Speaker 7: Sure, Yeah, So Karen Page and Foggy Nelson cover evidence
that Fisk is rigging the upcoming mayoral election. At the
same time, Peter Parker Spider Man investigates a series of
brutal gang killings that seemed connected.
Speaker 1: Brutal gang gang killings. Oh geez, sure, bloody.
Speaker 7: Brutal gangkillings that seemed connected to someone he thought had disappeared.
Frank Castle Uh Daredevil suits up again, only to find
Fisk's reaches deeper than ever.
Speaker 4: In a shocking moment, Foggy is murdered.
Speaker 5: By Wait this episode one still is episode one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Foggy's gone, sending Matt into a spiral of guilt
and rage. Meanwhile, Vanesca Vanessa Fisk is seen pulling political
strings behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Lost Vanessa in the blimp vanessca.
Speaker 5: This episode is six hours long.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, on here.
Speaker 7: So she's pulling political strings behind the scenes and showing
her husband's rise to power. Episode two, The King City,
Fisk wins the election, making it nearly impossible to touch
him legally. His first order a new anti vigilante task
force led by a dangerous figure Benjamin Point Dexter Bullseye Fresher,
released from a hidden government government facility and under Fisk's control. Matt,
grieving Foggy's death, struggles with his morality, while Karen spirals
into reckless investigative journalism.
Speaker 4: Jaredevil spider Man Crossed Pass.
Speaker 5: Spirals into reckless journalism.
Speaker 4: Reckless investigative journalism.
Speaker 1: Spirals into something else because she's like a drug addict.
I thought that too, so I thought that's where we're going.
Speaker 5: But reckless journalism is like an oxy moral.
Speaker 3: That is crazy.
Speaker 7: Just Frank Castle, Daredevil, and Spider Man cross pass investigating
the escalating crime wave. Meanwhile, Castle hunts down FISKS lieutenants,
brutally executing them one by one, leaving the city in terror.
Vanessa meanwhile begins to question the extent of her husband's brutality,
creating subtle tension between them.
Speaker 1: Okay, come on season four and you're like, maybe he's
a bad guy.
Speaker 7: Episode three, Shadows and Symbols, Jared, Devil and Spider Man
investigate a secret arms deal between FISKS people and rogue
remnants of the Hand. Peter, still adjusting to being completely
forgotten by the world, confides in Mad about his struggles.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile Frank.
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, Frank captures and tortures a high ranking crime boss,
uncovering evidence that Fisk has a hidden agenda beyond mere
political power point. Dexter begins his relentless hunt for Daredevil,
leading to a brutal rooftop battle that ends with Matt
barely escaping. Vanessa plays a quiet of pivotal role organizing
alliances between her husband's criminal associates whoever. Frank, having uncovered
her involvement, ambushes her at.
Speaker 4: A private gala. She narrowly escapes with her life shaken,
but determined that does.
Speaker 1: Have to be probably one of most scary things where
you just see, like door gets kicked and it's just
Frank the.
Speaker 2: Skull in the war machine.
Speaker 1: This is The Ex Wife.
Speaker 4: Episode four, Blood on the Streets.
Speaker 7: Fisk unveils the citywide surveillance system to track down vigilantes,
forcing Matt, Peter, and Frank to rethink their approach. Karen
is hospitalized, leaving Matt feeling utterly alone. Fisk personally lures
Daredevil into a trap, leading to one of the most
brutal fights in the series. Pointdexter mortally wounds Jessica Jones,
who sacrifices herself to save Matt and.
Speaker 1: For one Hey Christy, we like you back. I just
got some question about the script. I'm coming back and
you're gonna kill me all. Yeah, we want to close
out the Netflix.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So Bullseye kills her, You're.
Speaker 4: Saying, boys, Bullseye kills her. Yeah.
Speaker 7: She sacrifices herself to save Matt, in an alleyway ambush. Meanwhile, Castle,
and an act of sheer vengeance, executes an entire gang
oil to Fisk, leaving a.
Speaker 4: Bloody message no King, Holy Shit.
Speaker 7: Vanessa, still reeling from her near death experience, urges Fists
to consider an exit strategy before they lose everything. Episode five,
No Man's Land, Uh We Got Yeah? Okay, This and
three more episodes with the city in lockdown, vigilantes being hunted,
Daredevil spider Man Frank Castle form an uneasy alliance. Karen
is kidnapped by Fisks men and used as bait. Peter
infiltrates Fist tower and covering files indicating a secret project,
The Rebirth Initiative, an attempt to create super.
Speaker 4: Enhanced enforcers loyal to Fisk.
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, Bullseye, now completely unhinged, tracks down and kills Detective Mahoney,
a long time ally of Matt's, intensifying the Steaks. Vanessa,
realizing Fisk will never stop, begins making plans of her own.
Episode six, War on two fronts. As Castle continues his war,
he faces off the gamest fisks personal enforcer and old
adversary John Pilgrim from Punished for season two okay. Meanwhile,
Matt breaks into a high security black site to rescue Karen,
only to find her tortured and barely alive. Spider Man
battles Bullseye and a high speechase across the city skyline,
leading to a shocking moment. Bullseye nearly kills Peter, only
for Daredevil to save him.
Speaker 4: At the last second. Fisk orders full martial law in
Hell's kitchen. They can't clear that no one is saved.
In a grim turn, Frank is captured and publicly executed
by fisks forces.
Speaker 1: My wow, So wait, never see Punisher and Kingpin fight.
It's just Kingston's forces execute you know, Berthall would fucking
kill that scene though, like the.
Speaker 4: Do it like you would destroy that scene sending sending
a terrifying message to the city. Vanessa seeing the monster
Fisk has become against contemplating leaving him for killed the.
Speaker 1: Trying to kill her one of the most diabolical motherfuckers
in comics history. Like, I can't believe you killed a Punisher, Wilson,
How could you do that?
Speaker 7: Episode seven, The Fall of the King, The final battle
begins Daredevil, Spider Man, and what remains of the street
level heroes, launching all out assault on FISKS Empire. Luke
Cage arrives, but even he is overwhelmed by Fisks sheer
brute force.
Speaker 5: Okay, does he die or is he just getting knocked out?
Speaker 4: Overwhelmed?
Speaker 1: Cake fan I can sometimes be like two percent body fat.
Luke Cage can take Bazukas to the chest like he should.
Speaker 8: Do, like he gets between him and Vanessa though Yeah, okay,
Karen barely able to walk, helps expose FISKS crimes.
Speaker 4: To the public.
Speaker 1: What a terrible season for her? Sad hospitalized, kidnapped, torture, Yeah,
jesus barely dog he's dead?
Speaker 7: Yeah, helps expose FIST crimes to the public, triggering mass riots.
In a brutal confrontation, Daredevil finally beats bulls Eye, leaving
him paralyzed.
Speaker 4: Peter sabotagees Fisk surveillance.
Speaker 7: Network, exposing his dark as secrets, and Fisk, however, refuses
to go down, easily killing several police officers they attempt
to arrest him.
Speaker 4: During the battle.
Speaker 1: What did happen to Luke Cage?
Speaker 8: So he was just overwhelmed here guys, sorry next time?
Speaker 7: So yeah, killing several police officers the attend to arrest
him during the Battle of Vanessa. Vanessa is Treasury killed
in an accident falling from a high rise balcony. Ad
missed the chaos as both Wilson, Fisk, and dared to
Will witness her death.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: A rage field breakdown.
Speaker 7: Fisk fights Matt with a level of brutality never seen before,
leading to their final showdown, Episode eight, The Devil's Reckoning
with Fisk and custody.
Speaker 4: Oh, I guess that's it. You got arrested, showed.
Speaker 1: On You've never seen before. What was the last line
that episode again?
Speaker 4: Can you read that again?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 7: Fisk fights Matt with a level of brutality and brutality
never seen before, leading to their final showdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like snack kicking his ass anyways.
Speaker 4: And he just can't serve this episode. He's in cuffs, he.
Speaker 1: Like cut to black. Oh I can't see that was
just like, Oh, you got me man.
Speaker 7: Matt reflects on what it means to be dared Devil.
Karen leaves New York unable to endure more loss. Peter,
still anonymous, thanks Matt for his help before disappearing into
the night, and a grim turned Fisk from his prison
cell orchestrates another major attack, killing several key figures in
New York's law enforcement, proving that his grip on the
city remains.
Speaker 4: Matt's roof top realizes his war is far from over.
Speaker 1: Wuck him up and fas like, I'm just gonna killmore. Please,
let's get doing it.
Speaker 7: Okay, So, so, okay, that's it. In a post credit scene,
the Devil's Bargain in a dimly lit high tech facilit
A shadowed figure dimly let high tech facility.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's so fucking dim Like.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they can get the better lady.
Speaker 1: Remember they did that with Moon. I remember Ethan Hawk
the final boss fight. They did that. He just woke
up and he was standing over Ethan Hawk and they're like, oh,
that was this third personality that did it. But yeah,
they could. That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: Uh So.
Speaker 7: A shadowed figure walks past rows of heavily armed guards,
stopping at a reinforced cell door inside a bruised and
bloodied Wilson Fisk sits staring ahead emotionless.
Speaker 4: The door hisses open, and the visitor steps forward. A tall,
imposing man in a long coat. As he steps into
the light, his face is revealed. Barren Zemo.
Speaker 7: You took quite the beating, Zemo says in a cold,
measured voice. But men like us we never truly lose.
Speaker 4: We just wait for the right time. Fisk, without looking up,
smirks slightly. And what time is that? Zimo leans in
his gloved ten tap in the table. Time over real
war begins.
Speaker 1: We're going, NASA's Gonecus harasses Fisks face.
Speaker 5: Then, like me and you, we got to stick together
and do something about this town. Whatever. That's just the
same quote from fucking morbious Fisc has never been so hard.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Well, Asia, and there you go. We will be
back next week. If you like Daredevil. We got this guest,
we just did. You got the retrospectives. You got a
whole bunch of stuff. Go check that out. But we
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