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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kurt Bonham from Atlanta, Georgia and I play at

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<v Speaker 2>Eagles Landing. Welcome to Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joe Yorke from Panavitu Beach, Florida. I play golf

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<v Speaker 2>at Marsh Landing Country Club and this is Golf Smarter

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<v Speaker 2>number ten fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So I talked about this in my book where in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, the reason golf in general, but putting in

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<v Speaker 1>particular is the hardest target sport in the world is

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<v Speaker 1>because your eyes are not on it. In what other

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<v Speaker 1>sport are you trying to be so accurate, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a four and a half inch target, but you're not

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it. That means that your brain needs space

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<v Speaker 1>that when it looks back down at the ball after

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<v Speaker 1>your last look at the hole or whatever your target is,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs low frequency, it needs space, It needs less

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<v Speaker 1>traffic to be able to remember where the ball is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go because you're not looking at it. Wait

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<v Speaker 1>times in golf is one of the largest untapped opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you looking at somebody else? It's of no

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<v Speaker 1>value to you. But if you want a higher outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want a better motor output out of yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to use your weight times as a countdown

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<v Speaker 1>to your preshiat routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Use the waittime during year round for the greatest opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>for increased success with Doctor Izzy Justice. This is Golf Smarter,

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<v Speaker 2>sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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<v Speaker 2>help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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<v Speaker 2>Smarter podcast, Doctor Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Fank, it's so nice to be back. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for coming back. I haven't talked to you

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty twenty two when we talked about Jyra Golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should start with you telling us what

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<v Speaker 2>it is that you do and how it relates to golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get the base understanding here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Well, I've said this on your show before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've said it on other shows. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is very forrest gumpy, and I'm kind of making

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<v Speaker 1>it up as I go along, and strange things happen

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<v Speaker 1>at sort of every turn, and you know, the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>and the exploration of what is happening in the human

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<v Speaker 1>brain is still relatively new. If you look at all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that just from a human experience perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to understand how we travel, our diets, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our sleep patterns, all these things, technology a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that allow us to work and function, communicate. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>all these things we've made significant advances on, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>still fred believe it or not. I don't care what

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<v Speaker 1>people believe in in terms of when life started. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're still literally learn to understand what's happening in the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to close the thought there, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been very hard to study the brain, honestly because number one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's electricity in the brain. So what like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you looking at when you look at the brain. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like the heart or the liver. W you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see things coming in and see things going out,

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you measure electricity and what you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you interpret what it is that you're actually

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<v Speaker 1>looking at. And then lastly, you know, I have unintentionally

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<v Speaker 1>sort of drawn this, you know, gap between clinical view

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<v Speaker 1>of the brain versus functional view and think of clinical

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, probably ninety five percent of all the

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<v Speaker 1>work that's done on the human brain and the human

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<v Speaker 1>experience is on the clinical side. I have all Zheimer's,

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<v Speaker 1>have dementia, I have epilepsy. Something's wrong, and therefore there's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason for me to go look and find what's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and then find a cure for it. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>what I do or what I've been doing. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>on the functional side, which is we're just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make a putt. I'm just trying to make a free throw.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to respond to an email. Like what

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<v Speaker 1>goes on in the human brain when we're just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be functional, when we're just trying to remember our

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<v Speaker 1>best inventory of skills and past experiences and what we

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<v Speaker 1>want to do. And so it's been an amazing discovery

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<v Speaker 1>journey and I've just learned so much myself, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I put it all together in this new book and

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<v Speaker 1>or at least as far as as as I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>thus far.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your doctorate in? Are you a medical doctor?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you an academic doctor? Let's understand that you started

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<v Speaker 2>cutting up heads.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, great question. No, I am not a medical doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>never claimed to be one. I didn't even stay at

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<v Speaker 1>a holiday in express last night.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So you know my doctor has is in human performance,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got it back in two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was still almost ten years before the technology

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<v Speaker 1>was even invented. And I remember reading a paper. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a soft peer review paper that I was reading,

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<v Speaker 1>and this person talked about, you know, wirelessly looking at

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<v Speaker 1>an epileptic patient to see, you know, are there any

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<v Speaker 1>motor functions or patterns that lead up to a seizure.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that was the context of this technology where

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<v Speaker 1>somebody could stand six twelve feet away look at a

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<v Speaker 1>human brain while something is going on. And this ability

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<v Speaker 1>to do it wirelessly is the game changer because we've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to look at the brain, but typically it's

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<v Speaker 1>using an MRI machine or and you have to stand

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<v Speaker 1>very still, you have to be horizontal, you can't even move,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's no functional work that you can really measure

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<v Speaker 1>or track if you're you know, using traditional methods. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I could expose to that technology, I quickly pivoted

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<v Speaker 1>and said, all right, you know what is going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the human brain for example, you know when someone

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<v Speaker 1>makes a free throw or makes a pot is there

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<v Speaker 1>a certain pattern What's going on in the brain when

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<v Speaker 1>someone misses a free throw or a potter? And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just using two examples, is there a pattern there? And

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<v Speaker 1>lo and behold, I discovered along with you know, other

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<v Speaker 1>studies that were done long before I came along, that there,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, is a state in the human brain that

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<v Speaker 1>you know from an electric perspective, because electricity is the

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<v Speaker 1>language of the human brain. Electricity is the language of

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<v Speaker 1>motor function and fred if you think about it, it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be electricity. It cannot be anything else. It

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<v Speaker 1>can't be light, it can't be gravity, because just think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. What else is so fast that it can

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<v Speaker 1>allow us to protect ourselves. If I am walking and

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<v Speaker 1>I see a lion, do I not need that visual

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<v Speaker 1>input of the line to go to my brain and

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<v Speaker 1>within a half a second turn around and start running

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as I can. So there has to be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a top of a gas a modality that

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<v Speaker 1>can work very quickly. And in the human experience, electricity

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<v Speaker 1>other than light, is like the fast the second fastest mode.

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<v Speaker 1>So electricity really is the language of the brain. It

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<v Speaker 1>really is the language of mode of function. And so

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<v Speaker 1>studying it and saying, okay, how do you get the

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<v Speaker 1>brain to a state when it can use that electricity

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<v Speaker 1>at an optimal perspective? And by optimal. I mean two things, Fred.

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<v Speaker 1>One is you can access your inventory. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me Fred, for example, oh, I've been putting for

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<v Speaker 1>playing golf for twenty years. Great, and I will ask you, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all those shots you've hit, all the putts that you

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<v Speaker 1>made in a tournament or non tournament, where's that inventory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not on a Google drive, but it's on some

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive in your brain along with you know, dozens

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands and millions of other data points about your life.

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<v Speaker 1>So you need access to it when you're about to

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<v Speaker 1>make up put you know, the factory setting of the

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<v Speaker 1>brain is your brain to retrieve your last worst one

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<v Speaker 1>because it wants to predict, It wants to protect you

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<v Speaker 1>from making the same mistake. Now, if that's a factory

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<v Speaker 1>setting of your brain to remind you of your worst

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<v Speaker 1>pot when you're trying to make a pot, right, should

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<v Speaker 1>you not have the ability to say, oh, let me

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<v Speaker 1>change that factory setting and let me access that inventory.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the frequency, when the electricity generally speaking in

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<v Speaker 1>the brain is low, it's vibrating at a low frequency,

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<v Speaker 1>how access goes up because it just isn't enough. There

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a lot of traffic And the second magical thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and both in sports as well as life, that happens

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<v Speaker 1>when electricity is low in your brain is that it

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<v Speaker 1>amplifies sensory input. As human beings, we don't have five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty. We have five senses, right, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. But you know, there is an airport in

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<v Speaker 1>our brain where it's called the sensory cortex where all

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<v Speaker 1>of that sensory input goes, and it's always there, even

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<v Speaker 1>when we're sleeping. It's there. But a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>that input is not processed by the brain because there's

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<v Speaker 1>just so much other noise. So, for example, Fred, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had a really really crazy day at work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot of stuff going on. You get in

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<v Speaker 1>your day at five o'clock or whatever time it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and you put some music on. The odds are by

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<v Speaker 1>the time that you get home whatever it is, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later that you're able to recall the music that

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<v Speaker 1>was playing is almost a zero. But it was playing.

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<v Speaker 1>The auditory input was there, but there was so much

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<v Speaker 1>other noise in your brain. So by bringing that frequency down,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it allows us to for example, feel the

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<v Speaker 1>grip pressure, feel the weight of the putter head, see

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<v Speaker 1>or where the ball you want the ball to start,

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<v Speaker 1>and where you want to finish it. So those two

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<v Speaker 1>magical things access to your inventory and just an applification

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<v Speaker 1>of sensory It would happen when that frequency is low

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<v Speaker 1>around ten to fifteen herts in your brain. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I call it chasing ten hurts because that magic number,

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<v Speaker 1>chasing ten herts is in life. That's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're always doing something to allow us to get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where we can enjoy a moment or be

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<v Speaker 1>the best version of ourself in each moment. And ironically

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a secret, Like how many people have told you, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was the best version of myself when I was

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<v Speaker 1>angry and agitated, Yet everybody says, oh, when it's calm

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<v Speaker 1>and relaxed and focused and slow. Well, those are all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, lay labels that we're using to describe that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're beginning to de mystify how this brain works.

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<v Speaker 1>And for a golfer, you don't have to be in

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<v Speaker 1>that magical ten hurts for five hours. It's just fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the amount of time in totality that

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<v Speaker 1>to say, hey, can you be in that state for

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes, non contiguously over five hours, that's doable.

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<v Speaker 2>When you talk about electricity, my lay brain goes to

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<v Speaker 2>charging my phone, goes to turning on a light, thinking Edison,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking Tesla, And I don't mean the car. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Nikolay Tesla, the real inventor of right of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we talking about the same electricity here when you

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking about that with our brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is literally the same electricity, real electricity. Oh yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>we even measure it using the same units of hurts,

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<v Speaker 1>and absolutely it's the same electricity. And again, if you

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<v Speaker 1>that same energy for us to you know, function, especially

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<v Speaker 1>motor function. I mean our ability as living creatures to

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So, for example, let's say that right now,

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<v Speaker 1>well very prickly. You'll take your left hand, you'll go

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<v Speaker 2>to like focus on a little dot my on my shoulder,

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<v Speaker 2>other right now while were doing this recording, and the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's just made me hate doing is watching back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like all these things ticks and movements and scratches

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<v Speaker 2>with someone. So it's you know, is that part of

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<v Speaker 2>the electricity that distracts me away from it as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So look, the average human being, a male, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>miles of nerves in their body. Every part of your

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<v Speaker 1>physical body, your anatomy is in constant communication with your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to know if something' is itching you, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting too cold or too hot, or or uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>or all those kinds of things. And so part of

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<v Speaker 1>of what's happening now. I don't know if that's the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger distraction. I think the bigger distraction is the world

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<v Speaker 1>that we found ourselves in, where our devices now are

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<v Speaker 1>giving us so much stimuli. Our brains are not designed.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about this three years ago, but our brains

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<v Speaker 1>are not designed to consume this much volume of stimulation.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I see even a ten second video, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean my brain has to interpret that, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>interpreting that using lots of parts of our brain and

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, our hippocampus, for example, is our memory.

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<v Speaker 1>It gives context to what's going on. It alerts us

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<v Speaker 1>these you know, neurotransmitters and homones and and chemicals that

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<v Speaker 1>are going on in the brain. So it's becoming I've

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<v Speaker 1>said this, it's we're living a time reread now where

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's ever been easier to be physically healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we can track so many buyer markers, our nutrition.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much high quality information of what we need

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<v Speaker 1>to do to be physically healthy. Yet I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of our existence that it's ever been

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<v Speaker 1>harder to be mentally healthy, just because there's so much garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much stimulation in our brains that it's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of our good you know, values like empathy and

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<v Speaker 1>compassion and kindness and listening skills, they're all getting compromised,

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<v Speaker 1>not because we've suddenly become bad people or but because

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<v Speaker 1>our brain is competing. It's competing between being present and

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<v Speaker 1>noticing a frown on someone's face and say, oh, you okay,

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<v Speaker 1>versus replaying the ten things that you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you get done with the conversation or

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<v Speaker 1>before or after or tomorrow or yesterday. So in non

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<v Speaker 1>reactionary sports like golf, oh my goodness, it's even a

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<v Speaker 2>So is your expertise and your thesis for your PhD

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<v Speaker 2>was the brain in athletics in sports?

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, no no no. So all that

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<v Speaker 1>came just in the last ten years you so think of.

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<v Speaker 1>So around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen is when I started

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<v Speaker 1>to look into the brain, right, So this was almost

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<v Speaker 1>ten years after I'd already got my doctorate. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was new technology. The reason I did not get my

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<v Speaker 1>doctorate in neuroscience is because almost all of the programs,

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, even today, are clinically based. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at serotonin levels to reduce stress or you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, almost every malaise about the brain is a

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<v Speaker 1>target for a drug, right, And so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these doctoral programs are funded by pharmaceutical companies and research

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<v Speaker 1>and grants. They're designed to come up with some cure.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's good, that's not a bad thing. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>judging that. But again, where is the money to be

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<v Speaker 1>made by teaching someone how to get to ten herts

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<v Speaker 1>without using anything? Like if I just taught you a neurohak,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like what we did last time. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, we can do one right now. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>just do one right now. I want you to count.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't start until I say go right. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to count from one to ten as fast as you can,

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<v Speaker 1>and then do a pop and then go from ten

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<v Speaker 1>to nine as slow as you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, one to three, four, five, six, seventy nine, ten, ten,

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. That is a neurohak. If I were

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you how you felt going from one to ten,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd say something like very fast, very agitated. But how

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<v Speaker 1>did you feel like going from ten to nine slowly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you made it easier. I'm looking right into your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it definitely. I felt as I got lower,

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely felt calmer.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So that label that you just gave calmer,

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<v Speaker 1>you are describing a low frequency. Now did you need

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<v Speaker 1>any medication for that? You buy any drugs?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not in the last minutes or so. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>highly medicated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, no, But my point is that studying the

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<v Speaker 1>brain and coming up with these non evasive techniques, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, our answers used to do something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>breathing techniques and those kinds of things. But technology now

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<v Speaker 1>allows us to look into the brain and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you get somebody to that magical ten hurts

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<v Speaker 1>using other forms? And you can by trial and error,

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<v Speaker 1>like that technique that I just did with you, that

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<v Speaker 1>ten fast and ten slow, that wasn't random. We did

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<v Speaker 1>thousands and thousands of these scans to see, okay, which

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<v Speaker 1>ones allow most people to get to that ten hertz

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll be in that calm state, not permanently for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the day, but at least for the

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<v Speaker 1>next few minutes. And again in that calm state, two

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<v Speaker 1>magical things are going to happen. Number One, your ability

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<v Speaker 1>to access your own inventory brain functionality. Remember an article

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<v Speaker 1>that you read, a video that you saw, a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that you had. Make your conversation richer, make you human

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<v Speaker 1>experience richer by you know, inventoring what's in your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second thing, like I said, is just amplification

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<v Speaker 1>of your senses. After you did that slow, countdown, and

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<v Speaker 1>you ate something, I guarantee you taste more of it

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<v Speaker 1>because that traffic is gone. So this model, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is a model that I am advocating, is that all

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional wellness techniques like yoga and meditation and mindfulness

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<v Speaker 1>and people should do them and I do them every day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not things that you can do on the go.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's it's our mental wellness is based

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<v Speaker 1>on how can we fix things as they're happening. So

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<v Speaker 1>I call it when the brain spikes. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>if I started yelling at you right now, if I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever met. This is horrible blah blah blah, And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously I'm joking here, But if I meant that and

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<v Speaker 1>you were like, oh my god, this is going awful

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment, in that unpredicted moment of stress, you

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<v Speaker 1>could do that count up and countdown and your response

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<v Speaker 1>to my unfair characterization of what's happening would be better.

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<v Speaker 1>You would have a response before, but you would say, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>let me say this, let me say that, let me

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<v Speaker 1>do it in this way. So this sort of fix

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<v Speaker 1>it as you go model is what we as human

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<v Speaker 1>beings need, but in golf it's also something that we

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<v Speaker 1>can do. I don't have to be perfect three minutes

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<v Speaker 1>before I make a putt, but if I'm ten seconds

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<v Speaker 1>before making a putt and I can feel my brain saying,

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<v Speaker 1>don't leave it short, don't need it too hard. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I just missed the last one I got to make this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a clue that Oh my gosh, now my frequency

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<v Speaker 1>is higher. So in that moment, what options do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>What options does the golf I have? Ye? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you could say, start your routine again, but how many

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<v Speaker 1>times are you going to do that? Right? So these

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<v Speaker 1>neural hacks, these techniques of getting that frequency down, not permanently,

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<v Speaker 1>but long enough to execute the next thirty sixty ninety

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<v Speaker 1>really the key, both on the golf course for athletic performance,

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<v Speaker 1>but also in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Playing golf gives us a great opportunity between shots to

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<v Speaker 2>utilize these neural hacks. Is that a way to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on this, is that a way to take advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this absolutely. So let me dig into something that

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about quite a good bit in this new book.

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<v Speaker 1>So as you know I have. This book came out

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<v Speaker 1>back in May. The name of the book is Your Brains.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Brain Swings Every Club. But I have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>chapter on wait times. So for example, if you're on

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<v Speaker 1>a twosome, you know, and you're waiting for your turn

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<v Speaker 1>to put, the overwhelming majority of golfers are going to

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<v Speaker 1>that that is garbage input for your brain. Of what

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<v Speaker 1>value is that information to you? You know, you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>someone go through their routine. You're you're judging them, you're

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<v Speaker 1>analyzing them. You know. Now, unless that put is identical

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<v Speaker 1>to your line, you know, we're just, without even thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, looking at somebody else that time. If you

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<v Speaker 1>repurposed it and did not look at the at your

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<v Speaker 1>fellow competitor, and use these nerraks so that by the

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<v Speaker 1>time that you started your routine, that electricity was as

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<v Speaker 1>low as possible, right, give you a chance. So I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this in my Burke where in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason golf in general, but putting in particular is

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<v Speaker 1>because your eyes are not on it. Like in what

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<v Speaker 1>other sport are you trying to be so accurate? Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a four and a half inch target, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not looking at it. That means that your brain needs

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<v Speaker 1>space that when it looks back down at the ball

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<v Speaker 1>after your last look at the hole or whatever your

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<v Speaker 1>needs less traffic to be able to remember where the

419
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<v Speaker 1>ball is going to go because you're not looking at it.

420
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<v Speaker 1>So wait times in golf is one of the largest

421
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<v Speaker 1>untapped opportunities. You know, is why you're looking at somebody

422
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<v Speaker 1>else swing a club. It's of no value to you

423
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<v Speaker 1>now if you're playing casually and you're making fun of

424
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<v Speaker 1>somebody else with your buddies and drinking, you know by

425
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<v Speaker 1>all means. But if you want a higher outcome, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want a better motor output out of yourself, you've

427
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<v Speaker 1>got to use your way times as a countdown to

428
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<v Speaker 1>your preshot routine and get that electricity down. Get it

429
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<v Speaker 1>down by using techniques like the one that I just

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<v Speaker 1>showed you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is really remarkable stuff. I'm gonna

432
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<v Speaker 2>go on to a different because I've been listening to

433
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.319
<v Speaker 2>this podcast lately and I'm just absolutely curious about this.

434
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<v Speaker 2>If this has crossed your path with the electricity in

435
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 2>the brain telepathy, Yeah, I don't know if you've heard

436
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.039
<v Speaker 2>about this podcast called the Telepathy Tapes or if you

437
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<v Speaker 2>listen to it.

438
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<v Speaker 1>I have not, but I have a general sense of it.

439
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<v Speaker 2>No, check into it. It's absolutely fascinating. It's a woman

440
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<v Speaker 2>who's a documentary filmmaker and she has kind of discovered

441
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<v Speaker 2>and getting confirmation over and over and over again and

442
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 2>surprising everyone that did it that nonverbal autistic people communicate

443
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<v Speaker 2>through telepathy not only to each other, but to people

444
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<v Speaker 2>that are close to them like their parents, and the

445
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>parents were all, you know, they wouldn't admit it to anybody.

446
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.119
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I, you know, I can't tell anyone that

447
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>this is going on, but I really think my child

448
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<v Speaker 2>is reading my mind and then they're hearing other people

449
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<v Speaker 2>going through the same thing. And I'm just curious where

450
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<v Speaker 2>the electricity might be. If you know anything, I'm way

451
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<v Speaker 2>off on this one.

452
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this is a topic that is a little

453
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<v Speaker 1>bit outside of my area.

454
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. No, no, no, no no, but I highly recommend

455
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<v Speaker 2>to everyone check out the telepathy tape.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah no. But what I will tell you

457
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<v Speaker 1>is that you know, well over ninety percent of how

458
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<v Speaker 1>our brain interprets communication from another human being is nonverbal.

459
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 1>To begin with, it's not verbal. Our eyes are constantly

460
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<v Speaker 1>scanning literally every feature in somebody else's face, especially chest

461
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 1>and above, but the whole body. Our auditory input is

462
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 1>constantly scanning your tone, your volume, your enunciation, all those

463
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 1>kinds of things, because it wants to give meaning and

464
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<v Speaker 1>context whether it's something is a threat or not. So

465
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<v Speaker 1>our sensory cortex in the human brain is literally right

466
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<v Speaker 1>next to the hippocampus, which is our hard drive. In

467
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<v Speaker 1>other words, the input that we're getting, you know, the

468
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.319
<v Speaker 1>nonverbal input, is right next to the place where the

469
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<v Speaker 1>inventory is there for us to make sense of it.

470
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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to understand something and you say, oh,

471
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<v Speaker 1>let me go google this, So you got to Google

472
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.519
<v Speaker 1>and you type it in, well, Google's got to go

473
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<v Speaker 1>and search all the web to do give you a

474
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<v Speaker 1>good answer as to what it is. This means our

475
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<v Speaker 1>brain does something very similar only Obviously we don't go

476
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<v Speaker 1>to the Internet, and we don't go to Google, but

477
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:13.559
<v Speaker 1>we're going to our hard drive, right, So I think

478
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 1>they're phenomenon out there that we don't understand, so we

479
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 1>give it a label that we use. But electricity needs

480
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<v Speaker 1>a electricity. I mean, my first undergraduate degree is in physics.

481
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>I understand how electricity enforced works, but it needs a

482
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>medium to travel. Electricity cannot travel sort of wirelessly. You know,

483
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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be some type of a medium. And

484
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 1>so what we interpret as oh, I can I know

485
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>what they're thinking. But the reason that thought comes into

486
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>our head is because you know, we've taken all of

487
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 1>these nonverbal cues. We've made sense of it because of

488
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 1>patterns and those kinds of things. My mother, for example,

489
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<v Speaker 1>in my own house. She passed away few years ago,

490
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<v Speaker 1>but my mother was ninety percent deaf. She was completely

491
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<v Speaker 1>deaf in one ear and she was almost almost almost

492
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>completely deaf on the other ear, and so she couldn't

493
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<v Speaker 1>hear us. And back then, hearing aids we're not that

494
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 1>good either. So and she wasn't born deaf, she became

495
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>deaf as an adult. But her ability to look at

496
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<v Speaker 1>us and you know, without hearing, communicating completely understand how

497
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>we felt, how we thought we were, you know, was stunning,

498
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Like it was amazing how she would she was so accurate.

499
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<v Speaker 1>But that's because as a mom, that inventory that she

500
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<v Speaker 1>had for each one of her seven kids was so high.

501
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she basically has been looking at us since

502
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<v Speaker 1>our first breath. Right, So that's what I mean is that,

503
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, someone could call that, oh, well, she has telepathy.

504
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 1>I would say, I don't know. I don't think it's that.

505
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's more that these kinds of people, all

506
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<v Speaker 1>their sensory input is so high. They're observing every inch

507
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<v Speaker 1>of a non verbal input into their brain and they

508
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<v Speaker 1>can ascribe a good inventory to it and make sense

509
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<v Speaker 1>of it. And so it feels like, oh my gosh,

510
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I know what they're saying, I know how they're feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, well, yeah, I don't want to go down

512
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<v Speaker 2>that path because I'm through your curveball that you weren't

513
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<v Speaker 2>here to discuss, and so I apologize about that. But

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<v Speaker 2>so you've written nine books now, three of them are

515
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<v Speaker 2>about golf. Why the passion that we all share and

516
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<v Speaker 2>the fascination of golf For your work.

517
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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a great question. Oh what a delightful question.

518
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Fred. You know, if you I work with

519
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>athletes and coaches in many sports, and almost to a person,

520
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the coach or the athlete will say their sport is

521
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<v Speaker 1>a perfect for life. And I think golf is probably

522
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<v Speaker 1>one of the more accurate metaphors of life. You know,

523
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<v Speaker 1>first of all, it's a five hour round of golf,

524
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 1>so it's an endurance sport, kind of like life is.

525
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a long time to be out there, and you

526
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have highs and lows in golf, and you know, you

527
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 1>have time in between, and just like life's events and experiences.

528
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 1>But it's the ultimate battle between you and you, right,

529
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, no one's playing defense against you, which is

530
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>also life, you know, like it's really a battle of

531
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 1>what's happening in my life and how can I navigate

532
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 1>this challenge or this situation to the best of my ability.

533
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And because golf is a stationary sport, right, I mean

534
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm standing over a putt, over a drive, over a wedge,

535
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a lot easier to study it. I've

536
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>studied basketball players, lacrosse players, soccer players. There's a lot

537
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.599
<v Speaker 1>of movement going on over there. So they're more difficult

538
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to study. You know, I have a son that plays

539
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>junior golf and as a dad, he's in college now.

540
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>But as a dad, as you know, I don't know

541
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>if you're a dad, Fred, but you know, we are

542
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.279
<v Speaker 1>the worst coach that kids are not going to listen

543
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to us, you know. So I had to figure out

544
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of backdoor ways to understand my son, to

545
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>figure out ways to help him. And you know, I

546
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>am fascinated that in golf. You know, nobody seems to

547
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.519
<v Speaker 1>be talking about the fact that what really makes golf

548
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 1>hard at the end of the day, in my opinion,

549
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>is that it is a target sport where your eyes

550
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 1>are not on the target. That means the role of

551
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the brain is off the charts. Your brain has to

552
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>have space to recall the target. It has to take

553
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 1>very good targets that cannot be lost. There's a big

554
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<v Speaker 1>difference when you say, oh, it's a left cup pot

555
00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>versus Oh, it's going to go over that little white

556
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>blade of grass right over there. Those are two targets,

557
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<v Speaker 1>but in the brain they could not be more different.

558
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I've measured them both. One is going to play much

559
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<v Speaker 1>longer in your brain, you know, the one way you

560
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 1>describe the blade of grass and it's going to go

561
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 1>over where the other is much more of a technical

562
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<v Speaker 1>It's a six thirty pot or a left cup pot.

563
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>They're both targets, but one is significantly better than the other.

564
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<v Speaker 1>And my definition of better is your brain can remember

565
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<v Speaker 1>it while not looking at it.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people think, a lot of golfers think

567
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<v Speaker 2>that the more I practice, the better I'm going to perform.

568
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<v Speaker 2>And I'm curious what your research suggests about the quality

569
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<v Speaker 2>of practice versus the quantity of it, especially from the neuroperspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, what a great question. And this has

571
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<v Speaker 1>been one of the surprises for me really. Oh yeah, yeah.

572
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<v Speaker 1>And it pains me to say this because it is

573
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<v Speaker 1>such it goes against almost everything that we have been taught,

574
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, practice makes perfect, The more practice,

575
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the better I get. And you know, especially since two

576
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>thousands since COVID fred, honestly, the number of calls and

577
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>text messages that I've gotten in coaches and athletes from

578
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>every sport that are telling me explicitly, you know, hey, doc,

579
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>like you know, it used to be when we had

580
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>a good practice, we had a good game, not all

581
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the time, but most of the time, there doesn't seem

582
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<v Speaker 1>to be any correlation at this point between the amount

583
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<v Speaker 1>of time that you're practicing versus the outcome. Even at

584
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<v Speaker 1>the tour level. You know, people will be at home

585
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 1>one week and say, oh, I had played really good,

586
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I had good practices in They go next week to

587
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the tournament and they're missing the cut. And so what's

588
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>really happening is what I talked about earlier, which is

589
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that you know, there's a there's something called coating. Encoding,

590
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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, is or should be the most important

591
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<v Speaker 1>part about practice. So just give me a minute here,

592
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>let me walk you through this logic. Sure, let's say

593
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.159
<v Speaker 1>that you hit one hundred balls right now. I will

594
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<v Speaker 1>tell you where is that inventory all those balls that

595
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 1>you just hit, the puts that you made, or the

596
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 1>chips that you made. And I'll tell you that all

597
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 1>of that inventory, the value of hitting one hundred balls

598
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 1>is going to one place, and only one place in

599
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the entire universe, and that's your brain. It's not going

600
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.599
<v Speaker 1>to your muscles, because muscles have no memory. It's going

601
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to your brain. So if I had a great practice,

602
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>right and let's say from ten o'clock in the morning

603
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 1>until twelve noon, I have two wonderful hours of practice.

604
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<v Speaker 1>If I don't go through a process after that practice

605
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<v Speaker 1>called encoding to make sure that that inventory is number

606
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>one stored in my brain in such a manner that

607
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<v Speaker 1>I can retrieve it. In my opinion, the purpose of

608
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<v Speaker 1>practice should be I'm creating an inventory that I can

609
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<v Speaker 1>access in competition. What else would you practice?

610
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Right? So how do we do that?

611
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Right? So that's called encoding. And so immediately after practice,

612
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<v Speaker 1>you know, because if at twelve o'clock I'm done, I

613
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>will tell you that whether or not those two hours

614
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<v Speaker 1>of practice gets stored in your brain or not is

615
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>highly dependent on what happens to you between twelve o'clock

616
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>and the time that you go to bed. So, for example,

617
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>if at two o'clock you get a text message from

618
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>your girlfriend or your boyfriend that says I want to

619
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>break up, all of that inventory is gone. Right. So,

620
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<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately we live now at a point where the

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<v Speaker 1>only time that the brain is processing the inventory of

622
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the day is when it's sleeping. So I tell people,

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<v Speaker 1>when you get done with practice, your practice is not over.

624
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<v Speaker 1>You should not consider your practice over until you have

625
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>recorded what it is that you've done, use a selfie video,

626
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<v Speaker 1>write it down, and then bring it back up in

627
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<v Speaker 1>the last thirty minutes before you go to bed. Take

628
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<v Speaker 1>that inventory and move it back up on the very

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<v Speaker 1>top of the list that you want your brain to

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<v Speaker 1>store at night. Let me go back to the definition

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<v Speaker 1>of practice. The purpose of practice should be that when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in competition, I can recall what I did. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have a great practice, no matter how many balls

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<v Speaker 1>you hit, and you go to competition and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what you did yesterday or last week, what was

636
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<v Speaker 1>the value of that practice?

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<v Speaker 2>None?

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<v Speaker 1>So encoding, which I talk about at length. There's a

639
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<v Speaker 1>whole chapter about this, is that practice without encoding is. Unfortunately,

640
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<v Speaker 1>it's just one of the things where you say, oh,

641
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<v Speaker 1>I practiced for the sake of saying I practice, but

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<v Speaker 1>not for the value.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the teachers that talk about muscle memory pounding

644
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<v Speaker 2>it into you fallacy.

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<v Speaker 1>No such thing. Unfortunately. Now, I think that their intentions

646
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<v Speaker 1>are good. The more you practice, you're actually building up

647
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of inventory. But it's a very very inefficient

648
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<v Speaker 1>way to build the kind of inventory that you want

649
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<v Speaker 1>to retrieve in competition. So I think coaches say those things, Hey,

650
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<v Speaker 1>practice practice practice because you know, it's more of a

651
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<v Speaker 1>work ethic type of a thing. So practice practice practice

652
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<v Speaker 1>because teams right now are practicing better than they ever have,

653
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<v Speaker 1>but they're still underperforming. I don't know if, like I said,

654
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<v Speaker 1>in the last five years, the variance between someone's good

655
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<v Speaker 1>and someone's bad is getting bigger, it's not getting smaller.

656
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<v Speaker 1>On any given day, a golfer can shoot a seventy

657
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<v Speaker 1>two and you know an eighty two. You know, and

658
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<v Speaker 1>that's because you know when they go play, you know,

659
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<v Speaker 1>depending on what's happened to them. Because our brains are

660
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<v Speaker 1>very fluid, we're human beings. We are processing so many

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<v Speaker 1>things about life. If I didn't sleep very well, if

662
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't eat very well, if I have a little

663
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<v Speaker 1>bit of a scratch, I'm not pinky finger on my back,

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<v Speaker 1>my brain is going to be distracted in those moments.

665
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to need access to all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I've done in my practice. So I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're these coaches that say practice practice, practice and muscle memory.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think their intentions are bad. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the intentions are very good, sure, but they're missing

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<v Speaker 1>the point that you know, the memory is not created

671
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<v Speaker 1>in the muscles. And think of a quadriplegic, right, a

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<v Speaker 1>quad polegic. Their brain works fine and their body works fine,

673
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<v Speaker 1>but there's a spinal injury, so there's no transfer of

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<v Speaker 1>that electricity, so they can't move anything. Otherwise, the muscles

675
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<v Speaker 1>would just move themselves. They wouldn't need the brain to say, oh,

676
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<v Speaker 1>grab that cup of coffee or move or walk right right.

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<v Speaker 1>So muscles are at the mercy of the brain. The

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<v Speaker 1>brain is the quarterback of life. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that so much practice could be so much

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<v Speaker 1>more efficient if coaches and athletes learned how to encode

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<v Speaker 1>and build these angrams and grams are these wonderful memories

682
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<v Speaker 1>that you can easily access.

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<v Speaker 2>So muscle memory is a myth. Are are there other

684
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<v Speaker 2>myths that you need to debunk for the recreational golfer

685
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<v Speaker 2>to get out of their minds so they don't a

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<v Speaker 2>big block. One of my favorites is people like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great warm up session on the range

688
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<v Speaker 2>and then I played terrible golf. You know, it's like

689
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<v Speaker 2>one doesn't have to with the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. I will tell you the biggest myth that I

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<v Speaker 1>am trying very hard to debunk, and that is small

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<v Speaker 1>target small myths. That is a myth. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the brain works, it doesn't matter whether the

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<v Speaker 1>target is small or big. It matters whether the target

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<v Speaker 1>is rememberable. Is does the target stand out enough? In

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<v Speaker 1>my head? Is say enough of a contrast? So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>small target, small mess has a nice little cadence to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds good, but you know, small targets are also

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<v Speaker 1>easier to forget, especially if they're far away. Right. So

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<v Speaker 1>what I tell teach people is that a target that

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<v Speaker 1>stands out is the best target because your brain will

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<v Speaker 1>remember it more. If it's a color contrast or a

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<v Speaker 1>shape contrast, or something about it is odd. Those are

704
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<v Speaker 1>the best targets. Now, there's no rhyme to it. Odd target,

705
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 1>small mess, like it doesn't rhyme as well as a

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00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>small mess. Sure, I find people looking looking and finding

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<v Speaker 1>something small on a tree leaf and then they look

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<v Speaker 1>back down at the ball. You can't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is when you're addressing the ball. This is

710
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<v Speaker 2>when you're at the ball. You look out to the fairway,

711
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<v Speaker 2>the green, whatever you're looking at. You know, it's like doctor,

712
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<v Speaker 2>doctor Joe parent recently told us that, you know, the

713
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<v Speaker 2>idea of aim to a spot, shoot to an area.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got that right from him. So you

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<v Speaker 2>know he's getting away from the small target small miss concept.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know it's like find a small target, but

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<v Speaker 2>you be happy with an area, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I would I would phrase that differently. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, look, golf has played over six hundred acres

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<v Speaker 1>or however many acres. It's not like basketball. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>on one court or a soccer field or a baseball field.

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<v Speaker 1>So the ability to look out there in nature and

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<v Speaker 1>find good targets is a wonderful task, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. In the fallargets are going to be

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00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 1>different than the spring. You know, if it's cloudy, your

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00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 1>target's going to be different because certain things you know

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00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>from the sun's reflection. So I try to teach people

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<v Speaker 1>like enjoy the process of looking from a tea box

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<v Speaker 1>to the fairway or the fairway to the green or

730
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<v Speaker 1>on the green, of searching, lose your eyes and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what can I find over here? Because your ability to

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<v Speaker 1>find good, holdable targets is really the key. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether I care whether it's a big or small,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, a general area. Just find something that

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<v Speaker 1>is contrasting enough that your brain can remember. I will

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<v Speaker 1>say this again. I'll say this again. Forgive me, Fred,

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<v Speaker 1>Please forgive me.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes goff the most difficult target sport of all

740
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<v Speaker 1>is that your eyes are not on the target. They're

741
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<v Speaker 1>down at the ball, right, So we have to give

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<v Speaker 1>the brain something out there that it can recall. And

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<v Speaker 1>when people have a good target playing in their brain,

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<v Speaker 1>I find something magical happens. I find that suddenly they

745
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<v Speaker 1>have the most amazing tempo. They may not hit perfect shots,

746
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<v Speaker 1>but their dispersion becomes a lot smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they may not get the best results exactly, but

748
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<v Speaker 2>you're swinging the feel of it. That what you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to accomplish in the contact of the ball, But afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that's the power of these targets. There's a chapter

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<v Speaker 1>in the book where I talk about grid neurons, the

752
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>person that discovered it won a Nobel Prize for it,

753
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<v Speaker 1>and what she essentially discovered. And we can do this

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly. Right, So let me ask you a question. Okay, ready,

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<v Speaker 1>how far how far are you from? Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>From? And now I have to ask you from what?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? All right, now let me ask you another question. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>how far are you from New York City?

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<v Speaker 2>Thousands of miles?

760
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<v Speaker 1>Okay? And where are you right now?

761
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<v Speaker 2>Northern California?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Perfect? Now, think of the difference between those two questions.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one, I said, how far are you from?

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't give you a destination? And you're like,

765
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<v Speaker 1>what's it talking about? Where do I go? Up? Down?

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as I said new York City, did

767
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<v Speaker 1>you not draw a line kind of going east and

768
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<v Speaker 1>kind of doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Those are great neurons. Great neurons were activated. Great

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<v Speaker 1>is a destination. It creates a scale in your brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and scale is what creates sequencing because the whole purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of motor sequencing is to create force. The reason I

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<v Speaker 1>go back is so that I can generate amount of

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00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>force to apply it to a ball to send it

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<v Speaker 1>to a destination. So this is why targets are so

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<v Speaker 1>important involved because number one, you're not looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas if I'm Steph Curry and I'm shooting a basket,

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<v Speaker 1>the basket is right there, I see it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I have a soccer ball in front of me,

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<v Speaker 1>I see the ball. I can quickly in my peripheral

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<v Speaker 1>vision see generally where the ball is going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so in golf. This is why the role of

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<v Speaker 1>the brain is so important in golf is because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to create the state where there's space in the

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<v Speaker 1>brain to recall that grit neuron, that target, which then

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<v Speaker 1>is the glue to your motor sequencing.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating. This has been so interesting and really helpful, Doctor Justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Please tell us the name of the new book and

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<v Speaker 2>the other golf books that you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful, Thank you again for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of the book is called Your Brain Swings

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<v Speaker 1>Every Club. It's available on Amazon. There's an ebook. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also an audiobook, so however you like to consume information.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been lots of people that I collaborate with.

797
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<v Speaker 1>I have chapters where other coaches have participated in. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Faxon was kind enough to write the forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the book. I have so much respect for him and

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<v Speaker 1>so many other people. So it's a collaborative work and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a privilege to sort of write it with

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<v Speaker 1>all of these people. The other two golf books are

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<v Speaker 1>Golf EQ and and Jerra Gough this book is relatively short,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was intentional. I didn't want to put a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, uh stuff out there. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of get to the point very quickly, and

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<v Speaker 1>really my goal was to give people a language to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the electricity in the brain and the role that

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<v Speaker 1>it plays in motor function and life.

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<v Speaker 2>And websites. How do we find you online to learn more?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, Jira goof at g y r a golf

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<v Speaker 1>dot com is the website. But you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just gurgle me my social media handles, I have a

814
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<v Speaker 1>guy that does that for me. I'm too old, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know at easy Justice or doctor Easy Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of good content out there, but

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<v Speaker 1>so please follow me. I was trying to put something good,

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<v Speaker 1>good out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Great and it's eyes easy why easy Justice, like you

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<v Speaker 2>would think j U s t I ce Doctor Justice.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been fascinating. I loved it. Really glad that

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<v Speaker 2>you shared this with us and with other podcasters. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not so happy about that, but I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for an exclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Fred. You've been awesome. You're awesome the last time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're awesome. Now. Congratulations by the way, on passing a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand episodes, and thank you for all that you do

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<v Speaker 1>to bring all these wonderful people together and share information

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<v Speaker 1>and knowledge for your fans.
