1 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm Kurt Bonham from Atlanta, Georgia and I play at 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,119 Eagles Landing. Welcome to Golf Smarter. 4 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:10,759 Speaker 1: Hi. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,679 Speaker 2: I'm joe Yorke from Panavitu Beach, Florida. I play golf 6 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:17,640 at Marsh Landing Country Club and this is Golf Smarter 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,160 number ten fourteen. 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,719 Speaker 1: So I talked about this in my book where in 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,879 my opinion, the reason golf in general, but putting in 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,679 particular is the hardest target sport in the world is 11 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,079 because your eyes are not on it. In what other 12 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,520 sport are you trying to be so accurate, Like it's 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,719 a four and a half inch target, but you're not 14 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:40,039 looking at it. That means that your brain needs space 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,799 that when it looks back down at the ball after 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,320 your last look at the hole or whatever your target is, 17 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:50,119 it needs low frequency, it needs space, It needs less 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,240 traffic to be able to remember where the ball is 19 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,439 going to go because you're not looking at it. Wait 20 00:00:55,679 --> 00:01:00,000 times in golf is one of the largest untapped opportunity. 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,039 Why are you looking at somebody else? It's of no 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,200 value to you. But if you want a higher outcome, 23 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:09,079 if you want a better motor output out of yourself, 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,319 you've got to use your weight times as a countdown 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,760 to your preshiat routine. 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: Use the waittime during year round for the greatest opportunity 27 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:28,200 for increased success with Doctor Izzy Justice. This is Golf Smarter, 28 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,959 sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,120 help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf 31 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:42,400 Smarter podcast, Doctor Justice. 32 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:45,159 Speaker 1: Hey Fank, it's so nice to be back. Thanks for 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:45,560 having me. 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming back. I haven't talked to you 35 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:52,439 since twenty twenty two when we talked about Jyra Golf. 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,680 I think we should start with you telling us what 37 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,239 it is that you do and how it relates to golf. 38 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:05,079 Let's get the base understanding here. 39 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:08,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, I've said this on your show before, 40 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,400 and I've said it on other shows. But you know, 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,960 this is very forrest gumpy, and I'm kind of making 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,000 it up as I go along, and strange things happen 43 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:24,080 at sort of every turn, and you know, the discovery 44 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:28,199 and the exploration of what is happening in the human 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,879 brain is still relatively new. If you look at all 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280 of the things that just from a human experience perspective. 47 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:40,719 We're trying to understand how we travel, our diets, you know, 48 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:44,039 our sleep patterns, all these things, technology a lot of 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,919 that allow us to work and function, communicate. I mean, 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,680 all these things we've made significant advances on, but we're 51 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:55,080 still fred believe it or not. I don't care what 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,840 people believe in in terms of when life started. But 53 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,120 we're still literally learn to understand what's happening in the brain. 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,400 And just to close the thought there, you know, it's 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,039 been very hard to study the brain, honestly because number one, 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,439 there's electricity in the brain. So what like, what are 57 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:15,439 you looking at when you look at the brain. It's 58 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:17,479 not like the heart or the liver. W you know, 59 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,960 you can see things coming in and see things going out, 60 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:24,000 and how do you measure electricity and what you know, 61 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:26,000 how do you interpret what it is that you're actually 62 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:31,960 looking at. And then lastly, you know, I have unintentionally 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,639 sort of drawn this, you know, gap between clinical view 64 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,560 of the brain versus functional view and think of clinical 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,599 as you know, probably ninety five percent of all the 66 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:44,560 work that's done on the human brain and the human 67 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:46,800 experience is on the clinical side. I have all Zheimer's, 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,360 have dementia, I have epilepsy. Something's wrong, and therefore there's 69 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,120 a reason for me to go look and find what's 70 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:57,199 wrong and then find a cure for it. That's not 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,680 what I do or what I've been doing. I've been 72 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,159 on the functional side, which is we're just trying to 73 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:03,719 make a putt. I'm just trying to make a free throw. 74 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,159 I'm just trying to respond to an email. Like what 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,360 goes on in the human brain when we're just trying 76 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,439 to be functional, when we're just trying to remember our 77 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,719 best inventory of skills and past experiences and what we 78 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,279 want to do. And so it's been an amazing discovery 79 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,360 journey and I've just learned so much myself, and you know, 80 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:25,439 I put it all together in this new book and 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,480 or at least as far as as as I've learned 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,920 thus far. 83 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:33,639 Speaker 2: What is your doctorate in? Are you a medical doctor? 84 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:39,639 Are you an academic doctor? Let's understand that you started 85 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:40,839 cutting up heads. 86 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great question. No, I am not a medical doctor, 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,519 never claimed to be one. I didn't even stay at 88 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:48,120 a holiday in express last night. 89 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: No. 90 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: No, So you know my doctor has is in human performance, 91 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,879 and I got it back in two thousand and seven, 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,199 and it was still almost ten years before the technology 93 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,759 was even invented. And I remember reading a paper. It 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,519 was a soft peer review paper that I was reading, 95 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,680 and this person talked about, you know, wirelessly looking at 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,519 an epileptic patient to see, you know, are there any 97 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,600 motor functions or patterns that lead up to a seizure. 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,759 And so that was the context of this technology where 99 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,360 somebody could stand six twelve feet away look at a 100 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:37,439 human brain while something is going on. And this ability 101 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:41,240 to do it wirelessly is the game changer because we've 102 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,959 been able to look at the brain, but typically it's 103 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:46,800 using an MRI machine or and you have to stand 104 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:49,720 very still, you have to be horizontal, you can't even move, 105 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,319 so there's no functional work that you can really measure 106 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:57,519 or track if you're you know, using traditional methods. So 107 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,519 when I could expose to that technology, I quickly pivoted 108 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,319 and said, all right, you know what is going on 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,360 in the human brain for example, you know when someone 110 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:10,920 makes a free throw or makes a pot is there 111 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,279 a certain pattern What's going on in the brain when 112 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,360 someone misses a free throw or a potter? And I'm 113 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:19,199 just using two examples, is there a pattern there? And 114 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,000 lo and behold, I discovered along with you know, other 115 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:25,480 studies that were done long before I came along, that there, 116 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,680 in fact, is a state in the human brain that 117 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:33,879 you know from an electric perspective, because electricity is the 118 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,759 language of the human brain. Electricity is the language of 119 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:42,279 motor function and fred if you think about it, it 120 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:45,639 has to be electricity. It cannot be anything else. It 121 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,519 can't be light, it can't be gravity, because just think 122 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,279 about it. What else is so fast that it can 123 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,639 allow us to protect ourselves. If I am walking and 124 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,040 I see a lion, do I not need that visual 125 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:00,959 input of the line to go to my brain and 126 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,600 within a half a second turn around and start running 127 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,720 as fast as I can. So there has to be 128 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,959 you know, a top of a gas a modality that 129 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:14,959 can work very quickly. And in the human experience, electricity 130 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,560 other than light, is like the fast the second fastest mode. 131 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,600 So electricity really is the language of the brain. It 132 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,199 really is the language of mode of function. And so 133 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:31,079 studying it and saying, okay, how do you get the 134 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,360 brain to a state when it can use that electricity 135 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,879 at an optimal perspective? And by optimal. I mean two things, Fred. 136 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:43,639 One is you can access your inventory. So if you 137 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,040 tell me Fred, for example, oh, I've been putting for 138 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:50,639 playing golf for twenty years. Great, and I will ask you, okay, 139 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,399 all those shots you've hit, all the putts that you 140 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,720 made in a tournament or non tournament, where's that inventory. 141 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,399 It's not on a Google drive, but it's on some 142 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,000 hard drive in your brain along with you know, dozens 143 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,439 and thousands and millions of other data points about your life. 144 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:12,199 So you need access to it when you're about to 145 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:16,079 make up put you know, the factory setting of the 146 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,000 brain is your brain to retrieve your last worst one 147 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,519 because it wants to predict, It wants to protect you 148 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:25,639 from making the same mistake. Now, if that's a factory 149 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:28,319 setting of your brain to remind you of your worst 150 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,480 pot when you're trying to make a pot, right, should 151 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,080 you not have the ability to say, oh, let me 152 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,200 change that factory setting and let me access that inventory. 153 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,240 So when the frequency, when the electricity generally speaking in 154 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,399 the brain is low, it's vibrating at a low frequency, 155 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,159 how access goes up because it just isn't enough. There 156 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,159 isn't a lot of traffic And the second magical thing, 157 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,759 and both in sports as well as life, that happens 158 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:57,759 when electricity is low in your brain is that it 159 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,720 amplifies sensory input. As human beings, we don't have five 160 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:04,759 hundred and fifty. We have five senses, right, that's not 161 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,799 a lot. But you know, there is an airport in 162 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,919 our brain where it's called the sensory cortex where all 163 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,879 of that sensory input goes, and it's always there, even 164 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,639 when we're sleeping. It's there. But a lot of times 165 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,799 that input is not processed by the brain because there's 166 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,440 just so much other noise. So, for example, Fred, if 167 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,080 you had a really really crazy day at work, you know, 168 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,000 just a lot of stuff going on. You get in 169 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:28,519 your car and you're driving home at the end of 170 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:30,559 your day at five o'clock or whatever time it is, 171 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,279 and you put some music on. The odds are by 172 00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:36,120 the time that you get home whatever it is, thirty 173 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,639 minutes later that you're able to recall the music that 174 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:42,840 was playing is almost a zero. But it was playing. 175 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:45,720 The auditory input was there, but there was so much 176 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:50,720 other noise in your brain. So by bringing that frequency down, 177 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,159 you know, it allows us to for example, feel the 178 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,639 grip pressure, feel the weight of the putter head, see 179 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,799 the target, see how you want the bar to roll 180 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,039 or where the ball you want the ball to start, 181 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,200 and where you want to finish it. So those two 182 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,320 magical things access to your inventory and just an applification 183 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,639 of sensory It would happen when that frequency is low 184 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,799 around ten to fifteen herts in your brain. So that's 185 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:21,120 why I call it chasing ten hurts because that magic number, 186 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,639 chasing ten herts is in life. That's what we're doing. 187 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:27,519 We're always doing something to allow us to get to 188 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,480 a point where we can enjoy a moment or be 189 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,600 the best version of ourself in each moment. And ironically 190 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:38,919 it's not a secret, Like how many people have told you, oh, 191 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,799 I was the best version of myself when I was 192 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,080 angry and agitated, Yet everybody says, oh, when it's calm 193 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,159 and relaxed and focused and slow. Well, those are all, 194 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:52,679 you know, lay labels that we're using to describe that stage. 195 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,279 So we're beginning to de mystify how this brain works. 196 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,240 And for a golfer, you don't have to be in 197 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,000 that magical ten hurts for five hours. It's just fifteen minutes. 198 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:09,559 I mean that's the amount of time in totality that 199 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,080 you're hitting a golf shot. So it's a reasonable ask 200 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,000 to say, hey, can you be in that state for 201 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:21,200 fifteen minutes, non contiguously over five hours, that's doable. 202 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: When you talk about electricity, my lay brain goes to 203 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,879 charging my phone, goes to turning on a light, thinking Edison, 204 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,320 thinking Tesla, And I don't mean the car. I mean 205 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:48,080 Nikolay Tesla, the real inventor of right of this stuff. 206 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,240 Are we talking about the same electricity here when you 207 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,399 keep talking about that with our brain. 208 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: Yes, it is literally the same electricity, real electricity. Oh yeah, absolutely, 209 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,879 we even measure it using the same units of hurts, 210 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,200 and absolutely it's the same electricity. And again, if you 211 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,159 think of electricity on your phone or any type of 212 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:14,120 a device or coming into a house, sure you know 213 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,759 the power of it is that it does have this 214 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,399 this this charge to it that allows you to transfer 215 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,480 energy if you would, And we need that, We need 216 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:27,120 that same energy for us to you know, function, especially 217 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:30,679 motor function. I mean our ability as living creatures to 218 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:36,440 move is central to our survival. That movement has to 219 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,480 happen at an accelerated pace. I must be able to 220 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:42,679 see something and say, oh, there's a big gully here, 221 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,840 I'm about to step into it, let me stop walking. 222 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,720 Or there's a snake walking by, let me jump over it. 223 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,720 You know. So, for example, let's say that right now, 224 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,519 as you're speaking, something over your right shoulder is itching you, 225 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,480 and suddenly you feel like it's biting you. Well, very quickly, yeah, 226 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,799 well very prickly. You'll take your left hand, you'll go 227 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:03,960 to that spot. You'll you'll itch it, you'll scratch it, 228 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,679 you'll you'll shoot it away. But just think about that moment. 229 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,600 How did your hand know where to go? How did 230 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:13,519 you find that exact spot to scratch? How did it 231 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:15,080 know when to stop scratching? 232 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,039 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the question is why does my brain 233 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,639 distract me away from what's going on that I need 234 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,399 to like focus on a little dot my on my shoulder, 235 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,399 because you know, you and I are looking at each 236 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:30,559 other right now while were doing this recording, and the 237 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:36,559 thing that's just made me hate doing is watching back. 238 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,679 It's like all these things ticks and movements and scratches 239 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,240 and things that I have while I'm having a conversation 240 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,799 with someone. So it's you know, is that part of 241 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,600 the electricity that distracts me away from it as well? 242 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, So look, the average human being, a male, you know, 243 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,000 like five eight, one hundred and fifty five pounds, has 244 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,240 anywhere between I don't know, thirty to thirty five miles 245 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,960 miles of nerves in their body. Every part of your 246 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,159 physical body, your anatomy is in constant communication with your brain. 247 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,960 You need to know if something' is itching you, if 248 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,720 it's getting too cold or too hot, or or uncomfortable 249 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,879 or all those kinds of things. And so part of 250 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,480 our distraction is that when we you know, when all 251 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:25,080 this information is going to the brain, we lose focus 252 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,279 of what's happening now. I don't know if that's the 253 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:32,480 bigger distraction. I think the bigger distraction is the world 254 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,000 that we found ourselves in, where our devices now are 255 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,720 giving us so much stimuli. Our brains are not designed. 256 00:14:40,159 --> 00:14:42,399 We talked about this three years ago, but our brains 257 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:48,200 are not designed to consume this much volume of stimulation. 258 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:51,879 So if I see even a ten second video, for example, 259 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,399 I mean my brain has to interpret that, and it's 260 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,440 interpreting that using lots of parts of our brain and 261 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:03,080 so you know, our hippocampus, for example, is our memory. 262 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,320 It gives context to what's going on. It alerts us 263 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,039 that's nice, that's not nice, I'm angry, that's that's that 264 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:13,600 makes me feel good. It you know, produces all of 265 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:17,559 these you know, neurotransmitters and homones and and chemicals that 266 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,320 are going on in the brain. So it's becoming I've 267 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:25,759 said this, it's we're living a time reread now where 268 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:29,759 I don't think it's ever been easier to be physically healthy. 269 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,600 Like we can track so many buyer markers, our nutrition. 270 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:36,799 There's so much high quality information of what we need 271 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,320 to do to be physically healthy. Yet I don't believe 272 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,720 in the history of our existence that it's ever been 273 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:50,000 harder to be mentally healthy, just because there's so much garbage. 274 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,799 There's so much stimulation in our brains that it's, you know, 275 00:15:55,159 --> 00:15:58,440 all of our good you know, values like empathy and 276 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,440 compassion and kindness and listening skills, they're all getting compromised, 277 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,080 not because we've suddenly become bad people or but because 278 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,080 our brain is competing. It's competing between being present and 279 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:13,279 noticing a frown on someone's face and say, oh, you okay, 280 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,399 versus replaying the ten things that you have to do 281 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,679 as soon as you get done with the conversation or 282 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:24,240 before or after or tomorrow or yesterday. So in non 283 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:28,360 reactionary sports like golf, oh my goodness, it's even a 284 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,000 bigger challenge, rightow. 285 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: So is your expertise and your thesis for your PhD 286 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,559 was the brain in athletics in sports? 287 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,159 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. So all that 288 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,559 came just in the last ten years you so think of. 289 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,320 So around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen is when I started 290 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,879 to look into the brain, right, So this was almost 291 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:00,399 ten years after I'd already got my doctorate. So this 292 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,399 was new technology. The reason I did not get my 293 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,279 doctorate in neuroscience is because almost all of the programs, 294 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:10,880 matter of fact, even today, are clinically based. I'm looking 295 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,079 at serotonin levels to reduce stress or you know, to 296 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,240 you know, almost every malaise about the brain is a 297 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,200 target for a drug, right, And so a lot of 298 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,160 these doctoral programs are funded by pharmaceutical companies and research 299 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,119 and grants. They're designed to come up with some cure. 300 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,799 And that's good, that's not a bad thing. I'm not 301 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,240 judging that. But again, where is the money to be 302 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:38,960 made by teaching someone how to get to ten herts 303 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,240 without using anything? Like if I just taught you a neurohak, 304 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:46,359 you know, like what we did last time. You know, 305 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,880 for example, we can do one right now. So let's 306 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,039 just do one right now. I want you to count. 307 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,079 Don't start until I say go right. I want you 308 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,079 to count from one to ten as fast as you can, 309 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,599 and then do a pop and then go from ten 310 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,119 to nine as slow as you can. 311 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: Go ahead, one to three, four, five, six, seventy nine, ten, ten, 312 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:28,160 nine eight seven six five four three two one. 313 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: There you go. That is a neurohak. If I were 314 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,079 to ask you how you felt going from one to ten, 315 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,440 you'd say something like very fast, very agitated. But how 316 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,720 did you feel like going from ten to nine slowly? 317 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,319 Speaker 2: Well, you made it easier. I'm looking right into your eyes. 318 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,680 It was it definitely. I felt as I got lower, 319 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,440 I definitely felt calmer. 320 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,279 Speaker 1: There you go. So that label that you just gave calmer, 321 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:58,240 you are describing a low frequency. Now did you need 322 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:00,960 any medication for that? You buy any drugs? 323 00:19:01,759 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: No, not in the last minutes or so. But I'm 324 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:06,400 highly medicated. 325 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:11,559 Speaker 1: That's okay, no, But my point is that studying the 326 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,279 brain and coming up with these non evasive techniques, and 327 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:18,400 you know, our answers used to do something like that, 328 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,160 breathing techniques and those kinds of things. But technology now 329 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,680 allows us to look into the brain and say, okay, 330 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,960 how can you get somebody to that magical ten hurts 331 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:31,720 using other forms? And you can by trial and error, 332 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:34,279 like that technique that I just did with you, that 333 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,079 ten fast and ten slow, that wasn't random. We did 334 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:42,000 thousands and thousands of these scans to see, okay, which 335 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:45,079 ones allow most people to get to that ten hertz 336 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,359 and you'll be in that calm state, not permanently for 337 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,319 the rest of the day, but at least for the 338 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:53,960 next few minutes. And again in that calm state, two 339 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,720 magical things are going to happen. Number One, your ability 340 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:02,000 to access your own inventory brain functionality. Remember an article 341 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,599 that you read, a video that you saw, a conversation 342 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,480 that you had. Make your conversation richer, make you human 343 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,359 experience richer by you know, inventoring what's in your brain. 344 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,319 And the second thing, like I said, is just amplification 345 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,359 of your senses. After you did that slow, countdown, and 346 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,039 you ate something, I guarantee you taste more of it 347 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,680 because that traffic is gone. So this model, I think 348 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,039 is a model that I am advocating, is that all 349 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,799 the traditional wellness techniques like yoga and meditation and mindfulness 350 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:36,160 and working out and cooking and going for a walk 351 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,480 and listening to music. These are wonderful things to do 352 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,400 and people should do them and I do them every day, 353 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,440 but they're not things that you can do on the go. 354 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,599 So you know, it's it's our mental wellness is based 355 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,640 on how can we fix things as they're happening. So 356 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,880 I call it when the brain spikes. So, for example, 357 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,039 if I started yelling at you right now, if I said, 358 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:02,680 oh my god, Fred, you're one of the worst people 359 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,680 I've ever met. This is horrible blah blah blah, And 360 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:08,720 obviously I'm joking here, But if I meant that and 361 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:11,119 you were like, oh my god, this is going awful 362 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,640 in that moment, in that unpredicted moment of stress, you 363 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,400 could do that count up and countdown and your response 364 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,160 to my unfair characterization of what's happening would be better. 365 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:28,039 You would have a response before, but you would say, ah, 366 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:30,000 let me say this, let me say that, let me 367 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:32,720 do it in this way. So this sort of fix 368 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,720 it as you go model is what we as human 369 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:38,559 beings need, but in golf it's also something that we 370 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:41,200 can do. I don't have to be perfect three minutes 371 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,279 before I make a putt, but if I'm ten seconds 372 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,039 before making a putt and I can feel my brain saying, 373 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,319 don't leave it short, don't need it too hard. Oh 374 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,440 I just missed the last one I got to make this. 375 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,160 That's a clue that Oh my gosh, now my frequency 376 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,599 is higher. So in that moment, what options do you have? 377 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,960 What options does the golf I have? Ye? I mean 378 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,559 you could say, start your routine again, but how many 379 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,160 times are you going to do that? Right? So these 380 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,960 neural hacks, these techniques of getting that frequency down, not permanently, 381 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,920 but long enough to execute the next thirty sixty ninety 382 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,839 three four minutes to the best of your ability, is 383 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,480 really the key, both on the golf course for athletic performance, 384 00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:25,720 but also in life. 385 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: Playing golf gives us a great opportunity between shots to 386 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,759 utilize these neural hacks. Is that a way to focus 387 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,599 on this, is that a way to take advantage. 388 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:50,519 Speaker 1: Of this absolutely. So let me dig into something that 389 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,240 I talked about quite a good bit in this new book. 390 00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:57,119 So as you know I have. This book came out 391 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:00,680 back in May. The name of the book is Your Brains. 392 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,640 Your Brain Swings Every Club. But I have a whole 393 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,119 chapter on wait times. So for example, if you're on 394 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,119 the putting green and you're playing with a foursome or 395 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,519 a twosome, you know, and you're waiting for your turn 396 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:20,319 to put, the overwhelming majority of golfers are going to 397 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,839 watch the other player putt. And I will tell you 398 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,160 that that is garbage input for your brain. Of what 399 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,680 value is that information to you? You know, you're watching 400 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:35,160 someone go through their routine. You're you're judging them, you're 401 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,599 analyzing them. You know. Now, unless that put is identical 402 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,880 to your line, you know, we're just, without even thinking 403 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,000 about it, looking at somebody else that time. If you 404 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,599 repurposed it and did not look at the at your 405 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,720 fellow competitor, and use these nerraks so that by the 406 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,279 time that you started your routine, that electricity was as 407 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:58,759 low as possible, right, give you a chance. So I 408 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,440 talked about this in my Burke where in my opinion. 409 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,400 The reason golf in general, but putting in particular is 410 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,680 the hardest, the hardest target sport in the world is 411 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,200 because your eyes are not on it. Like in what 412 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:16,759 other sport are you trying to be so accurate? Like 413 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,839 it's a four and a half inch target, but you're 414 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,319 not looking at it. That means that your brain needs 415 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480 space that when it looks back down at the ball 416 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,799 after your last look at the hole or whatever your 417 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:33,880 target is, it needs low frequency, it needs space, It 418 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,119 needs less traffic to be able to remember where the 419 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,200 ball is going to go because you're not looking at it. 420 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:46,359 So wait times in golf is one of the largest 421 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,400 untapped opportunities. You know, is why you're looking at somebody 422 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,359 else swing a club. It's of no value to you 423 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,720 now if you're playing casually and you're making fun of 424 00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:59,279 somebody else with your buddies and drinking, you know by 425 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,440 all means. But if you want a higher outcome, if 426 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,319 you want a better motor output out of yourself, you've 427 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,519 got to use your way times as a countdown to 428 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:13,519 your preshot routine and get that electricity down. Get it 429 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,279 down by using techniques like the one that I just 430 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:16,799 showed you. 431 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is really remarkable stuff. I'm gonna 432 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,039 go on to a different because I've been listening to 433 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,319 this podcast lately and I'm just absolutely curious about this. 434 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,039 If this has crossed your path with the electricity in 435 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:38,799 the brain telepathy, Yeah, I don't know if you've heard 436 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:42,039 about this podcast called the Telepathy Tapes or if you 437 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:42,799 listen to it. 438 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: I have not, but I have a general sense of it. 439 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: No, check into it. It's absolutely fascinating. It's a woman 440 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,799 who's a documentary filmmaker and she has kind of discovered 441 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,680 and getting confirmation over and over and over again and 442 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:10,559 surprising everyone that did it that nonverbal autistic people communicate 443 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,920 through telepathy not only to each other, but to people 444 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,200 that are close to them like their parents, and the 445 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,400 parents were all, you know, they wouldn't admit it to anybody. 446 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,119 It's like, I, you know, I can't tell anyone that 447 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,200 this is going on, but I really think my child 448 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,160 is reading my mind and then they're hearing other people 449 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,279 going through the same thing. And I'm just curious where 450 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,240 the electricity might be. If you know anything, I'm way 451 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,640 off on this one. 452 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is a topic that is a little 453 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,400 bit outside of my area. 454 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. No, no, no, no no, but I highly recommend 455 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,920 to everyone check out the telepathy tape. 456 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah no. But what I will tell you 457 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,759 is that you know, well over ninety percent of how 458 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:03,400 our brain interprets communication from another human being is nonverbal. 459 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,039 To begin with, it's not verbal. Our eyes are constantly 460 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:14,160 scanning literally every feature in somebody else's face, especially chest 461 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,799 and above, but the whole body. Our auditory input is 462 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,599 constantly scanning your tone, your volume, your enunciation, all those 463 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,839 kinds of things, because it wants to give meaning and 464 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,079 context whether it's something is a threat or not. So 465 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,880 our sensory cortex in the human brain is literally right 466 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,440 next to the hippocampus, which is our hard drive. In 467 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,400 other words, the input that we're getting, you know, the 468 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,319 nonverbal input, is right next to the place where the 469 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,920 inventory is there for us to make sense of it. 470 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,480 So if you want to understand something and you say, oh, 471 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,799 let me go google this, So you got to Google 472 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,519 and you type it in, well, Google's got to go 473 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,640 and search all the web to do give you a 474 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,640 good answer as to what it is. This means our 475 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,480 brain does something very similar only Obviously we don't go 476 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,240 to the Internet, and we don't go to Google, but 477 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:13,559 we're going to our hard drive, right, So I think 478 00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:17,559 they're phenomenon out there that we don't understand, so we 479 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,079 give it a label that we use. But electricity needs 480 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,279 a electricity. I mean, my first undergraduate degree is in physics. 481 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,839 I understand how electricity enforced works, but it needs a 482 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,240 medium to travel. Electricity cannot travel sort of wirelessly. You know, 483 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,279 it's got to be some type of a medium. And 484 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:43,319 so what we interpret as oh, I can I know 485 00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:47,720 what they're thinking. But the reason that thought comes into 486 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,960 our head is because you know, we've taken all of 487 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,279 these nonverbal cues. We've made sense of it because of 488 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,839 patterns and those kinds of things. My mother, for example, 489 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:00,720 in my own house. She passed away few years ago, 490 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,119 but my mother was ninety percent deaf. She was completely 491 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,279 deaf in one ear and she was almost almost almost 492 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,359 completely deaf on the other ear, and so she couldn't 493 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440 hear us. And back then, hearing aids we're not that 494 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,319 good either. So and she wasn't born deaf, she became 495 00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:22,400 deaf as an adult. But her ability to look at 496 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,559 us and you know, without hearing, communicating completely understand how 497 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,640 we felt, how we thought we were, you know, was stunning, 498 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,720 Like it was amazing how she would she was so accurate. 499 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,799 But that's because as a mom, that inventory that she 500 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680 had for each one of her seven kids was so high. 501 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,920 I mean, she basically has been looking at us since 502 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,799 our first breath. Right, So that's what I mean is that, 503 00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,680 you know, someone could call that, oh, well, she has telepathy. 504 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,279 I would say, I don't know. I don't think it's that. 505 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,279 I think it's more that these kinds of people, all 506 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,799 their sensory input is so high. They're observing every inch 507 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,119 of a non verbal input into their brain and they 508 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,240 can ascribe a good inventory to it and make sense 509 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,119 of it. And so it feels like, oh my gosh, 510 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,279 I know what they're saying, I know how they're feeling. 511 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:22,359 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, well, yeah, I don't want to go down 512 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,599 that path because I'm through your curveball that you weren't 513 00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:30,599 here to discuss, and so I apologize about that. But 514 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,000 so you've written nine books now, three of them are 515 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:39,720 about golf. Why the passion that we all share and 516 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,599 the fascination of golf For your work. 517 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: Oh what a great question. Oh what a delightful question. 518 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,079 Thank you, Fred. You know, if you I work with 519 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920 athletes and coaches in many sports, and almost to a person, 520 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,359 the coach or the athlete will say their sport is 521 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,480 a perfect for life. And I think golf is probably 522 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,240 one of the more accurate metaphors of life. You know, 523 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000 first of all, it's a five hour round of golf, 524 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,799 so it's an endurance sport, kind of like life is. 525 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480 It's a long time to be out there, and you 526 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,960 have highs and lows in golf, and you know, you 527 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:24,119 have time in between, and just like life's events and experiences. 528 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:28,279 But it's the ultimate battle between you and you, right, 529 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,440 I mean, no one's playing defense against you, which is 530 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,720 also life, you know, like it's really a battle of 531 00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,319 what's happening in my life and how can I navigate 532 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,359 this challenge or this situation to the best of my ability. 533 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,640 And because golf is a stationary sport, right, I mean 534 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,119 I'm standing over a putt, over a drive, over a wedge, 535 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,799 you know, it's a lot easier to study it. I've 536 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,920 studied basketball players, lacrosse players, soccer players. There's a lot 537 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,599 of movement going on over there. So they're more difficult 538 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,960 to study. You know, I have a son that plays 539 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,440 junior golf and as a dad, he's in college now. 540 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,000 But as a dad, as you know, I don't know 541 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,440 if you're a dad, Fred, but you know, we are 542 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,279 the worst coach that kids are not going to listen 543 00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,880 to us, you know. So I had to figure out 544 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,799 a lot of backdoor ways to understand my son, to 545 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:22,920 figure out ways to help him. And you know, I 546 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,440 am fascinated that in golf. You know, nobody seems to 547 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,519 be talking about the fact that what really makes golf 548 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,839 hard at the end of the day, in my opinion, 549 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,400 is that it is a target sport where your eyes 550 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,519 are not on the target. That means the role of 551 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:45,920 the brain is off the charts. Your brain has to 552 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,920 have space to recall the target. It has to take 553 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,279 very good targets that cannot be lost. There's a big 554 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,960 difference when you say, oh, it's a left cup pot 555 00:32:58,039 --> 00:32:59,960 versus Oh, it's going to go over that little white 556 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,720 blade of grass right over there. Those are two targets, 557 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,559 but in the brain they could not be more different. 558 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:09,480 I've measured them both. One is going to play much 559 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,480 longer in your brain, you know, the one way you 560 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,519 describe the blade of grass and it's going to go 561 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,599 over where the other is much more of a technical 562 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,519 It's a six thirty pot or a left cup pot. 563 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,480 They're both targets, but one is significantly better than the other. 564 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,960 And my definition of better is your brain can remember 565 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,279 it while not looking at it. 566 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:36,559 Speaker 2: A lot of people think, a lot of golfers think 567 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,960 that the more I practice, the better I'm going to perform. 568 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:48,240 And I'm curious what your research suggests about the quality 569 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:54,160 of practice versus the quantity of it, especially from the neuroperspective. 570 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, what a great question. And this has 571 00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:01,359 been one of the surprises for me really. Oh yeah, yeah. 572 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,359 And it pains me to say this because it is 573 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,599 such it goes against almost everything that we have been taught, 574 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,679 which is, you know, practice makes perfect, The more practice, 575 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,840 the better I get. And you know, especially since two 576 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,440 thousands since COVID fred, honestly, the number of calls and 577 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:24,400 text messages that I've gotten in coaches and athletes from 578 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,960 every sport that are telling me explicitly, you know, hey, doc, 579 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,480 like you know, it used to be when we had 580 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:33,280 a good practice, we had a good game, not all 581 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,880 the time, but most of the time, there doesn't seem 582 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,400 to be any correlation at this point between the amount 583 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,280 of time that you're practicing versus the outcome. Even at 584 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880 the tour level. You know, people will be at home 585 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,760 one week and say, oh, I had played really good, 586 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,400 I had good practices in They go next week to 587 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,000 the tournament and they're missing the cut. And so what's 588 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,079 really happening is what I talked about earlier, which is 589 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:02,480 that you know, there's a there's something called coating. Encoding, 590 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,280 in my opinion, is or should be the most important 591 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440 part about practice. So just give me a minute here, 592 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,920 let me walk you through this logic. Sure, let's say 593 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,159 that you hit one hundred balls right now. I will 594 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,840 tell you where is that inventory all those balls that 595 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,679 you just hit, the puts that you made, or the 596 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,519 chips that you made. And I'll tell you that all 597 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:29,559 of that inventory, the value of hitting one hundred balls 598 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,159 is going to one place, and only one place in 599 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:36,480 the entire universe, and that's your brain. It's not going 600 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,599 to your muscles, because muscles have no memory. It's going 601 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,920 to your brain. So if I had a great practice, 602 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,400 right and let's say from ten o'clock in the morning 603 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:51,679 until twelve noon, I have two wonderful hours of practice. 604 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,639 If I don't go through a process after that practice 605 00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,880 called encoding to make sure that that inventory is number 606 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,840 one stored in my brain in such a manner that 607 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,559 I can retrieve it. In my opinion, the purpose of 608 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,840 practice should be I'm creating an inventory that I can 609 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,760 access in competition. What else would you practice? 610 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 2: Right? So how do we do that? 611 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:22,199 Speaker 1: Right? So that's called encoding. And so immediately after practice, 612 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,559 you know, because if at twelve o'clock I'm done, I 613 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,360 will tell you that whether or not those two hours 614 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,800 of practice gets stored in your brain or not is 615 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920 highly dependent on what happens to you between twelve o'clock 616 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,599 and the time that you go to bed. So, for example, 617 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,000 if at two o'clock you get a text message from 618 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,320 your girlfriend or your boyfriend that says I want to 619 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,920 break up, all of that inventory is gone. Right. So, 620 00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:53,000 and unfortunately we live now at a point where the 621 00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:57,480 only time that the brain is processing the inventory of 622 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,760 the day is when it's sleeping. So I tell people, 623 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,840 when you get done with practice, your practice is not over. 624 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,960 You should not consider your practice over until you have 625 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,000 recorded what it is that you've done, use a selfie video, 626 00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,039 write it down, and then bring it back up in 627 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,920 the last thirty minutes before you go to bed. Take 628 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,400 that inventory and move it back up on the very 629 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,159 top of the list that you want your brain to 630 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,480 store at night. Let me go back to the definition 631 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:28,960 of practice. The purpose of practice should be that when 632 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:33,320 I'm in competition, I can recall what I did. If 633 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,880 you have a great practice, no matter how many balls 634 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,920 you hit, and you go to competition and you don't 635 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,199 remember what you did yesterday or last week, what was 636 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,400 the value of that practice? 637 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,159 Speaker 2: None? 638 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,079 Speaker 1: So encoding, which I talk about at length. There's a 639 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:54,599 whole chapter about this, is that practice without encoding is. Unfortunately, 640 00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,119 it's just one of the things where you say, oh, 641 00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,920 I practiced for the sake of saying I practice, but 642 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,119 not for the value. 643 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: And so the teachers that talk about muscle memory pounding 644 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,920 it into you fallacy. 645 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:14,119 Speaker 1: No such thing. Unfortunately. Now, I think that their intentions 646 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:18,119 are good. The more you practice, you're actually building up 647 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:22,039 a lot of inventory. But it's a very very inefficient 648 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,119 way to build the kind of inventory that you want 649 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,199 to retrieve in competition. So I think coaches say those things, Hey, 650 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,519 practice practice practice because you know, it's more of a 651 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:39,119 work ethic type of a thing. So practice practice practice 652 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,480 because teams right now are practicing better than they ever have, 653 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,079 but they're still underperforming. I don't know if, like I said, 654 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,960 in the last five years, the variance between someone's good 655 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,840 and someone's bad is getting bigger, it's not getting smaller. 656 00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,639 On any given day, a golfer can shoot a seventy 657 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,039 two and you know an eighty two. You know, and 658 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,840 that's because you know when they go play, you know, 659 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,000 depending on what's happened to them. Because our brains are 660 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,320 very fluid, we're human beings. We are processing so many 661 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,760 things about life. If I didn't sleep very well, if 662 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,320 I didn't eat very well, if I have a little 663 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,800 bit of a scratch, I'm not pinky finger on my back, 664 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,079 my brain is going to be distracted in those moments. 665 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,360 I'm going to need access to all the things that 666 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,000 I've done in my practice. So I don't think that 667 00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,800 they're these coaches that say practice practice, practice and muscle memory. 668 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,280 I don't think their intentions are bad. In fact, I 669 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,360 think the intentions are very good, sure, but they're missing 670 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,239 the point that you know, the memory is not created 671 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,760 in the muscles. And think of a quadriplegic, right, a 672 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,599 quad polegic. Their brain works fine and their body works fine, 673 00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:51,119 but there's a spinal injury, so there's no transfer of 674 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:55,199 that electricity, so they can't move anything. Otherwise, the muscles 675 00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:57,920 would just move themselves. They wouldn't need the brain to say, oh, 676 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,280 grab that cup of coffee or move or walk right right. 677 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,239 So muscles are at the mercy of the brain. The 678 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,000 brain is the quarterback of life. And so you know, 679 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,679 I think that so much practice could be so much 680 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,480 more efficient if coaches and athletes learned how to encode 681 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:21,000 and build these angrams and grams are these wonderful memories 682 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:23,239 that you can easily access. 683 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 2: So muscle memory is a myth. Are are there other 684 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:36,920 myths that you need to debunk for the recreational golfer 685 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480 to get out of their minds so they don't a 686 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,119 big block. One of my favorites is people like, oh, 687 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,199 I had a great warm up session on the range 688 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,920 and then I played terrible golf. You know, it's like 689 00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:49,519 one doesn't have to with the other. 690 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,599 Speaker 1: Right. I will tell you the biggest myth that I 691 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,760 am trying very hard to debunk, and that is small 692 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,800 target small myths. That is a myth. And so the 693 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,880 way that the brain works, it doesn't matter whether the 694 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,079 target is small or big. It matters whether the target 695 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:14,840 is rememberable. Is does the target stand out enough? In 696 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,920 my head? Is say enough of a contrast? So you know, 697 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,119 small target, small mess has a nice little cadence to it. 698 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:26,280 It sounds good, but you know, small targets are also 699 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,519 easier to forget, especially if they're far away. Right. So 700 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,519 what I tell teach people is that a target that 701 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,519 stands out is the best target because your brain will 702 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,119 remember it more. If it's a color contrast or a 703 00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,519 shape contrast, or something about it is odd. Those are 704 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,239 the best targets. Now, there's no rhyme to it. Odd target, 705 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,800 small mess, like it doesn't rhyme as well as a 706 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,480 small mess. Sure, I find people looking looking and finding 707 00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,559 something small on a tree leaf and then they look 708 00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,039 back down at the ball. You can't remember that. 709 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 2: So this is when you're addressing the ball. This is 710 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,960 when you're at the ball. You look out to the fairway, 711 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:11,440 the green, whatever you're looking at. You know, it's like doctor, 712 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:16,639 doctor Joe parent recently told us that, you know, the 713 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,920 idea of aim to a spot, shoot to an area. 714 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,960 I think I got that right from him. So you 715 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,639 know he's getting away from the small target small miss concept. 716 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,360 But you know it's like find a small target, but 717 00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:34,840 you be happy with an area, right. 718 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would I would phrase that differently. I 719 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:43,800 would say, look, golf has played over six hundred acres 720 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,440 or however many acres. It's not like basketball. It's just 721 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,639 on one court or a soccer field or a baseball field. 722 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:54,000 So the ability to look out there in nature and 723 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,000 find good targets is a wonderful task, and we have 724 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,679 to do that. In the fallargets are going to be 725 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,599 different than the spring. You know, if it's cloudy, your 726 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,079 target's going to be different because certain things you know 727 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:12,400 from the sun's reflection. So I try to teach people 728 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,360 like enjoy the process of looking from a tea box 729 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,960 to the fairway or the fairway to the green or 730 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,760 on the green, of searching, lose your eyes and say, okay, 731 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,199 what can I find over here? Because your ability to 732 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,119 find good, holdable targets is really the key. And I 733 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:34,639 don't know whether I care whether it's a big or small, 734 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,519 or you know, a general area. Just find something that 735 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,920 is contrasting enough that your brain can remember. I will 736 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,480 say this again. I'll say this again. Forgive me, Fred, 737 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:47,360 Please forgive me. 738 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,639 Speaker 2: Not a problem. 739 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,159 Speaker 1: What makes goff the most difficult target sport of all 740 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,559 is that your eyes are not on the target. They're 741 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:58,679 down at the ball, right, So we have to give 742 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,679 the brain something out there that it can recall. And 743 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,599 when people have a good target playing in their brain, 744 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,320 I find something magical happens. I find that suddenly they 745 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,840 have the most amazing tempo. They may not hit perfect shots, 746 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,559 but their dispersion becomes a lot smaller. 747 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,599 Speaker 2: Well, they may not get the best results exactly, but 748 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,480 you're swinging the feel of it. That what you're trying 749 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,679 to accomplish in the contact of the ball, But afterwards. 750 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,639 Speaker 1: It's that's the power of these targets. There's a chapter 751 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,599 in the book where I talk about grid neurons, the 752 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480 person that discovered it won a Nobel Prize for it, 753 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,880 and what she essentially discovered. And we can do this 754 00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:47,960 very quickly. Right, So let me ask you a question. Okay, ready, 755 00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:53,280 how far how far are you from? Go ahead. 756 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 2: From? And now I have to ask you from what? 757 00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,119 Speaker 1: Okay? All right, now let me ask you another question. Okay, 758 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:02,920 how far are you from New York City? 759 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:06,519 Speaker 2: Thousands of miles? 760 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,519 Speaker 1: Okay? And where are you right now? 761 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,079 Speaker 2: Northern California? 762 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: Okay? Perfect? Now, think of the difference between those two questions. 763 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,519 The first one, I said, how far are you from? 764 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,280 And I didn't give you a destination? And you're like, 765 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,639 what's it talking about? Where do I go? Up? Down? 766 00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:21,840 But as soon as I said new York City, did 767 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,880 you not draw a line kind of going east and 768 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,679 kind of doing that? 769 00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:26,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 770 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,559 Speaker 1: Exactly. Those are great neurons. Great neurons were activated. Great 771 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,239 is a destination. It creates a scale in your brain, 772 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,639 and scale is what creates sequencing because the whole purpose 773 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,159 of motor sequencing is to create force. The reason I 774 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,000 go back is so that I can generate amount of 775 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:48,480 force to apply it to a ball to send it 776 00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:53,320 to a destination. So this is why targets are so 777 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,280 important involved because number one, you're not looking at it. 778 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,679 Whereas if I'm Steph Curry and I'm shooting a basket, 779 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,559 the basket is right there, I see it. You know, 780 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,400 if I have a soccer ball in front of me, 781 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,519 I see the ball. I can quickly in my peripheral 782 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,159 vision see generally where the ball is going to go. 783 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,400 Not so in golf. This is why the role of 784 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,559 the brain is so important in golf is because we've 785 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,360 got to create the state where there's space in the 786 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,000 brain to recall that grit neuron, that target, which then 787 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,599 is the glue to your motor sequencing. 788 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,559 Speaker 2: Fascinating. This has been so interesting and really helpful, Doctor Justice. 789 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,639 Please tell us the name of the new book and 790 00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,480 the other golf books that you have. 791 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,079 Speaker 1: Wonderful, Thank you again for having me. 792 00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 2: So. 793 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: The name of the book is called Your Brain Swings 794 00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,239 Every Club. It's available on Amazon. There's an ebook. There's 795 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,880 also an audiobook, so however you like to consume information. 796 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,880 There have been lots of people that I collaborate with. 797 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,199 I have chapters where other coaches have participated in. Now 798 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,440 Brad Faxon was kind enough to write the forward to 799 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,079 the book. I have so much respect for him and 800 00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,400 so many other people. So it's a collaborative work and 801 00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:18,440 it was a privilege to sort of write it with 802 00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:20,960 all of these people. The other two golf books are 803 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:27,800 Golf EQ and and Jerra Gough this book is relatively short, 804 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,079 and that was intentional. I didn't want to put a 805 00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:33,480 lot of you know, uh stuff out there. I want 806 00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:35,519 to kind of get to the point very quickly, and 807 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,599 really my goal was to give people a language to 808 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,960 understand the electricity in the brain and the role that 809 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,360 it plays in motor function and life. 810 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,679 Speaker 2: And websites. How do we find you online to learn more? 811 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Jira goof at g y r a golf 812 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,679 dot com is the website. But you know, if you 813 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,159 just gurgle me my social media handles, I have a 814 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,519 guy that does that for me. I'm too old, unfortunately, 815 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:04,760 but you know at easy Justice or doctor Easy Justice. 816 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,599 I have a lot of good content out there, but 817 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,400 so please follow me. I was trying to put something good, 818 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:12,400 good out there. 819 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:17,079 Speaker 2: Great and it's eyes easy why easy Justice, like you 820 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,320 would think j U s t I ce Doctor Justice. 821 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,280 This has been fascinating. I loved it. Really glad that 822 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,639 you shared this with us and with other podcasters. I'm 823 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,719 not so happy about that, but I'm not going to 824 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:31,800 ask for an exclusive. 825 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Fred. You've been awesome. You're awesome the last time. 826 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,519 You're awesome. Now. Congratulations by the way, on passing a 827 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,599 thousand episodes, and thank you for all that you do 828 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,039 to bring all these wonderful people together and share information 829 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,239 and knowledge for your fans.