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Speaker 2: We are just one day away from the NFL Draft,
Speaker 2: which is uh exciting stuff. I'm surprised we haven't done
Speaker 2: any draft, like any drafts yet. That's your that's your
Speaker 2: task for the day, Austin. Think of something we can draft,
Speaker 2: something we can draft. I got you we did, uh
Speaker 2: what did we We've done it before we did.
Speaker 3: The last we did was rom coms.
Speaker 2: That was Valentine's Day thing, I believe. Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean we don't have we've got you know, well, let's
Speaker 2: do this. Try to think of a couple of things,
Speaker 2: and we can do it tomorrow and Friday, because of
Speaker 2: course the draft is you know, it's a three day thing,
Speaker 2: of course. Yeah, so we'll have some fun with it.
Speaker 2: I mean again, we'll talk about the actual NFL draft
Speaker 2: as well. But uh yeah, I don't think that that
Speaker 2: shit or Sanders is going to be a long term
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback for anybody. But I you know, what do
Speaker 2: I know? I just you know, I I think this
Speaker 2: quarterback crop is actually pretty poor, which as much as
Speaker 2: I love Tyler Schuck. I think that's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why he was able to really just emerge almost
Speaker 2: out of nowhere as a guy that you know, might
Speaker 2: even be taken in the first round. So but anyways,
Speaker 2: the reason I bring that up is because it seems
Speaker 2: as if as we get closer to the draft, the
Speaker 2: one guy that's just apparently getting completely uh you know,
Speaker 2: drug through the mud is is shit Or Sanders. And
Speaker 2: part of me says, well, yeah, that's that's that's there's
Speaker 2: always at least one guy that anonymous NFL executives start
Speaker 2: to just completely you know, clown and act like they're terrible.
Speaker 2: But I feel like with him, it's kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: like I put it this way, let me just read this.
Speaker 2: This is from let me see where this this is,
Speaker 2: and it's not super important, but I always try to
Speaker 2: credit where, you know, where this stuff comes from, just
Speaker 2: because you know, that's what you're supposed to do. But
Speaker 2: this is from Complex Sports, and I think they are
Speaker 2: actually quoting an actual insider. But anyways, here is a
Speaker 2: quote an NFL assistant coach had on shadh Or Sanders.
Speaker 2: Quote the worst formal interview I've ever been in in
Speaker 2: my life. He's so entitled, he takes unnecessary sacks, he
Speaker 2: never plays on time, he has horrible body language, he
Speaker 2: blames teammates. But the biggest thing is he's not that good.
Speaker 2: Tell me how you really feel, a NFL assistant coach.
Speaker 2: And so again that's now being positioned by a lot
Speaker 2: of people as Okay, here we go, these anonymous NFL
Speaker 2: coach is talking without putting their name on it, just
Speaker 2: trying to talk because you know, like that's a pretty
Speaker 2: harsh thing to say. So and again, every year there's
Speaker 2: at least one player, mostly a quarterback. Usually it's a
Speaker 2: quarterback that absolutely, you know, just gets completely body bagged anonymously,
Speaker 2: and you never really know if it's a smoke screen
Speaker 2: or if it's legit. And obviously sometimes people get it wrong.
Speaker 2: But maybe I'm just a hater because obviously I'm not
Speaker 2: a huge fan of Colorado and Deon Sanders and whatnot.
Speaker 2: It's not that I you know, I just think they're
Speaker 2: pretty easy to dislike. Let's be honest, I'm not the
Speaker 2: only one that enjoyed seeing them get humbled. But then again,
Speaker 2: they don't get humbled. They could lose by fifty every game.
Speaker 2: But if they're still you know, generating all this attention
Speaker 2: online and playing for clicks. As Dan Lanning said, then
Speaker 2: like they still remain arrogant. I don't think they've ever
Speaker 2: actually been put in their place. I think they're not
Speaker 2: really about you know, winning. I mean I say that
Speaker 2: kind of tongue in cheek, but like you know, they
Speaker 2: it's a circus, is what it is. Now. Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is really special, and I think that we'll look back
Speaker 2: and realize that the only reason Deon Sanders ever had
Speaker 2: any level of like success at all is because of
Speaker 2: him more than anybody else. So shdoor, Sanders is clearly
Speaker 2: not a bad quarterback. But like whenever I watched him,
Speaker 2: I never felt like he was great. So therefore, whenever
Speaker 2: I see the last part of that quote he's not
Speaker 2: that good, I don't think that's like some out of
Speaker 2: this world. Can you believe he said that this guy's crazy,
Speaker 2: he's wrong, Like I think, you know, at what point
Speaker 2: did he ever really look that good? I mean not
Speaker 2: to say he's bad, but I don't think anybody would
Speaker 2: have been shocked if he was graded out as like
Speaker 2: a mid round, late round guy based off his performance.
Speaker 2: But again, the hype train keeps rolling, and because he's
Speaker 2: just always talked about and you know, I guess maybe
Speaker 2: he's a little bit raw, maybe a little green to
Speaker 2: where they think that they could really turn him into
Speaker 2: something special. Like nothing would shock me with him. If
Speaker 2: he gets taken early wouldn't shock me. If he gets
Speaker 2: if he goes late, he wouldn't shock me. I don't
Speaker 2: mean like late, like you know, late rounds. But anyways,
Speaker 2: outside of just you know, his play, I mean to me,
Speaker 2: he he absolutely had some some you know, some characteristics
Speaker 2: that would would scream red flag to me if I'm
Speaker 2: drafting a guy that you know is going to be
Speaker 2: the quarterback for my franchise, Because if you're taking a
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL draft early on, the vision is
Speaker 2: that he is going to be the face of your franchise.
Speaker 2: He is going to be the key cog in you
Speaker 2: being able to no longer find yourself drafting early because
Speaker 2: you're you know, you don't want to be a terrible
Speaker 2: team that has to draft early. But like the worst
Speaker 2: formal interview I could see that. I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: it's not unheard of, I guess, but whenever he was playing,
Speaker 2: was it Nebraska and they killed him early this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, Nebraska just beat them down, and I mean
Speaker 2: it was it was embarrassing. And you know when just
Speaker 2: taking simple questions in the press conference, this dude completely
Speaker 2: threw his offensive line under the bus like he was entitled,
Speaker 2: didn't take any ownership, hadn't seemingly had no leadership qualities.
Speaker 2: I mean, blaming it all on his offensive line. I
Speaker 2: think he responded to one question about, you know, him
Speaker 2: getting pressure in the game. Did you watch the offensive
Speaker 2: line out there? Did you see what they did today? Like?
Speaker 2: Who does that? Again? He's not wrong. I think the
Speaker 2: offensive line did suck, But nobody says that even as
Speaker 2: a college quarterback, this guy's about to potentially be an
Speaker 2: NFL quarterback. I mean, maybe it's just me being a hater,
Speaker 2: but for everybody claiming, here we go another coach afraid
Speaker 2: to put his name on it, just talking bad about
Speaker 2: a player just to do it or to maybe throw
Speaker 2: somebody off, and you know, maybe they're doing Maybe this
Speaker 2: coach doesn't believe it, He doesn't believe anything he's saying.
Speaker 2: He's just doing this in hopes that other teams get
Speaker 2: worried about drafting him, so then he falls to them like,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff people are saying about this
Speaker 2: story that broke today, and maybe they're right, or just
Speaker 2: maybe that's a coach legitimately saying what is true. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's I mean, let's be real. Ever,
Speaker 2: I feel like if you were to just peruse all
Speaker 2: of the big names out there that cover the NFL
Speaker 2: Draft that, like, you know, we've heard of mel Kiper McShay,
Speaker 2: I mean, who else, Ian Rappaport, Schefter. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of big, big names that cover the NFL that that
Speaker 2: you know, have broke stories, that have resources and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. If you were to just, you know,
Speaker 2: if you were if you were to try to, you know,
Speaker 2: just get a good sample of all of their coverage
Speaker 2: about the draft. When it comes to specifically these quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that are expected to be off the board earlier than later,
Speaker 2: I think most of them would say, who I've talked to,
Speaker 2: they all believe that right now, Tyler Shuck is a
Speaker 2: lot better than should or Sanders. But nobody's saying that
Speaker 2: should or Sanders is going to be taken after Tyler
Speaker 2: Shuck because I guess with Sanders, it's more about the upside,
Speaker 2: it's more about the fact that he's got some some
Speaker 2: real ability that you could you know, he's got a
Speaker 2: lot of potential, whereas Shuck, he could certainly get better,
Speaker 2: but he's maybe almost as good as he's going to
Speaker 2: be as far as just you know, his arm. But
Speaker 2: I just feel like is should or Sanders's going to
Speaker 2: be coachable when his dad's not there. Like, these are
Speaker 2: things that I think are rare but really big concerns.
Speaker 2: You don't usually ask that about players, do you. I mean,
Speaker 2: there have been guys that that have gone to the
Speaker 2: NFL that are leaving, you know, playing fur their dad.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I mean, I can't think of any off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, but it's not unheard of.
Speaker 2: But like, are you going to draft a quarterback who
Speaker 2: you only saw play with his dad running the show?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Just to me, take away all the
Speaker 2: off the field stuff, the entitlement, the arrogance, the lack
Speaker 2: of accountability, the seemingly you know, no leadership qualities. Take
Speaker 2: all that out, which again, I think all that stuff matters.
Speaker 2: You just base it off of his play specifically. I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure that would be warranting of him being
Speaker 2: like an early round pick. But yeah, what do I know?
Speaker 2: There is the reason these guys, you know, they they
Speaker 2: work in the NFL, and I talk on the right
Speaker 2: just to be blunt, that's just the truth. But also
Speaker 2: there's been times where people like me who you know
Speaker 2: don't even have a platform to talk on the radio.
Speaker 2: Maybe you just watch, like the arrogance is understandable for
Speaker 2: those that you know, do work in the NFL or
Speaker 2: the NBA, whatever it may be. But let's not act
Speaker 2: like it's not something that could realistically happen to where
Speaker 2: if a fan got to make the decision, they might
Speaker 2: actually make a logical decision that would work out better
Speaker 2: for a franchise. Whereas these NFL folks, they overthink it
Speaker 2: in every way. I mean, that's just it sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but it's not as crazy as you might think. Sometimes
Speaker 2: just you know, not overthinking it and just trusting the
Speaker 2: tape that can go a long way. All right, Again,
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Speaker 2: out with us here on a Wednesday afternoon. We talked
Speaker 2: a lot about the James scott decision to hit the portal,
Speaker 2: that was a real surprise for me. I thought of
Speaker 2: all the guys that were coming back to Louisville with eligibility,
Speaker 2: to me, James Scott was the one that I thought
Speaker 2: for sure, there's no chance he hits the portal just
Speaker 2: because he's a Kelsey guy. Those two guys are a
Speaker 2: perfect combo. Pat Kelsey loves coaching him, and I feel like,
Speaker 2: for the most part, James Scott has loved playing for
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey. And I'm sure it isn't personal. This is
Speaker 2: all business now, this is all transactional, and I think
Speaker 2: James Scott's got a chance to make more money elsewhere.
Speaker 2: And I don't think he's somebody. I mean everybody to
Speaker 2: an extent wants to worry about their role, Like it's
Speaker 2: not selfish to want to play and want to have
Speaker 2: a role that is important. But James Scott, to me,
Speaker 2: is one of those guys that's rare. I don't think
Speaker 2: he cares if he ever takes a shot. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's I don't think that's you see very often
Speaker 2: in college basketball. So but with all that said, if
Speaker 2: he's going to be playing significantly less minutes next year one,
Speaker 2: because you wouldn't want anybody like James Scott playing thirty
Speaker 2: something minutes, but you had to last year because of
Speaker 2: the injuries. So with all that said, even though he
Speaker 2: probably knew that, regardless of what happens, whoever comes in,
Speaker 2: he's going to be getting less minutes, because he probably
Speaker 2: wanted less minutes, to be honest with you, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not ideal to be playing thirty plus minutes a game,
Speaker 2: but they had to play him that many minutes. So
Speaker 2: with that said, he could easily be persuaded by another
Speaker 2: program to come there and make maybe more money, maybe
Speaker 2: significantly more money. And also, you're gonna play more minutes
Speaker 2: than you're gonna play at Louisville because they've now got
Speaker 2: Khalifa healthy, case In Pryor's coming back, and Sonny Frew,
Speaker 2: the big man from across the pond, you know, who
Speaker 2: really knows what we're getting in him? I mean I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I think he's gonna be pretty good, but
Speaker 2: maybe he's gonna be really good, and maybe he does
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that James Scott was doing
Speaker 2: last year. I don't know. So James Scott leaving Louisville.
Speaker 2: That to me is the reminder I needed that never
Speaker 2: just assume anybody's back just because you think they're gonna
Speaker 2: be back. Now, the reports are that, and I guess
Speaker 2: it's more rumor than report. But Will Wade at NC
Speaker 2: State somehow got a got information to James Scott that said, look,
Speaker 2: if you hit the portal, here's what we can do
Speaker 2: for you. And by hitting the portal, James Scott, if
Speaker 2: anything just came him some time to think about it.
Speaker 2: But I think these things happen pretty quickly. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be shocked if we know in the next couple of days.
Speaker 2: Maybe we know now and I just haven't seen it
Speaker 2: that louis is either going to try to pursue him
Speaker 2: and get him back and do whatever they need to,
Speaker 2: you know, as far as what they can, or they're
Speaker 2: going to just accept, Okay, yeah he's gone, and we
Speaker 2: now need to go find a replacement for him, because
Speaker 2: you know, last minute we found out he's not going
Speaker 2: to be a part of the mix. So again it's
Speaker 2: all it's all transactional at this point. And the sooner
Speaker 2: we all and I say we because I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm guilty too. I think I've had a pretty good
Speaker 2: grasp on knowing that these guys are now going to
Speaker 2: look out for themselves as they should, as anybody else would.
Speaker 2: But James Scott's the one that I just never thought
Speaker 2: would leave. But here we are now. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Kentucky fans would have said that Travis Perry was
Speaker 2: the kind of guy that they never thought would leave,
Speaker 2: but take away the Kentucky component, and I think you
Speaker 2: would have expected him to leave. In fact, take away
Speaker 2: the Kentucky component. Meeting a kid from Kentucky Lyon County, Eddieville, Kentucky,
Speaker 2: all time leading scorer in the history of Kentucky high
Speaker 2: school basketball. I mean, that's a big component. But if
Speaker 2: you take if you get rid of that, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure this guy would have ever been in Kentucky. So
Speaker 2: he decided to leave. He'll have options, and he liked
Speaker 2: James Scott. Didn't put out any kind of statement, didn't
Speaker 2: post anything on social media. It just kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: people found out about it and it got out and
Speaker 2: then sure enough, as you get closer to the deadline,
Speaker 2: people and I don't if you hear somebody's in the
Speaker 2: portal like me, this is just something that again I
Speaker 2: can't I can't escape it, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm going to get the answer. But let's just say
Speaker 2: Austin Montgomery, the tribal chief, is the biggest insider in
Speaker 2: college basketball, and he breaks all the news. Nobody thinks
Speaker 2: anything's real unless it comes from him.
Speaker 3: So if you.
Speaker 2: If you hear, you know, hey I heard heard Travis
Speaker 2: Scott or Travis Perry and James Scott hit the portal
Speaker 2: and you want to do you want to It's your
Speaker 2: job to find out because that's what you do. You
Speaker 2: break stories. If you ask the coaches at both schools
Speaker 2: and they said no comment, you ask the players if
Speaker 2: they entered the portal, no comment or they ignore you
Speaker 2: left you on red? How do you know? Like can
Speaker 2: you access said portal and look at the database yourself?
Speaker 2: Like who has access to this? I think players do?
Speaker 2: Or I'm sorry, coaches clearly do because they that's how
Speaker 2: they see who's out there and who's available as they're
Speaker 2: like a button you but but you know, and again
Speaker 2: you probably would be able to call a coach and say, hey,
Speaker 2: can you tell me? Cause again it's not hidden information,
Speaker 2: it's just who has access to it right, and if
Speaker 2: you're somebody that's not you know, in the NC DOUBLEA
Speaker 2: coaching meaning like and nobody wants to tell you. Like,
Speaker 2: there's probably players that hit the portal that nobody knew about,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And it's probably because you know,
Speaker 2: they're not very good and they didn't. Like, there are
Speaker 2: guys who hit the portal that are walk ons that
Speaker 2: never played a game, never played a second. There are
Speaker 2: guys at the D two level that hit the portal.
Speaker 2: So like, if nobody's looking for him, nobody would know,
Speaker 2: I guess unless they just put it out there and
Speaker 2: they pimp themselves out and really try to sell Hey,
Speaker 2: here I am, I'm in the portal. Come take a
Speaker 2: look at my film. See if you want you want
Speaker 2: me to come play for you. So anyways, neither of
Speaker 2: these guys made a big deal about it. He just
Speaker 2: kind of got out as the deadline approached that they're
Speaker 2: they're leaving. So with with Travis Perry, one of the
Speaker 2: things that I that I and I think I've mentioned
Speaker 2: this before, I watched him play probably four or five
Speaker 2: times in high school and I was really really impressed
Speaker 2: and I still to this I still to this point
Speaker 2: believe that he is somebody that will play high level
Speaker 2: college basketball.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to play at a
Speaker 2: Kentucky type program moving forward, But like some people have said, Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: I could totally see him playing at Cincinnati. I could
Speaker 2: see him playing it was Virginia. I mean, I could
Speaker 2: see him playing in a lot of places as far
Speaker 2: as you know. But but does he want to have
Speaker 2: a big role or does he want to be, you know,
Speaker 2: just another guy or you know, seventh eighth man and
Speaker 2: all the and honestly, when you hit the portal, like,
Speaker 2: that's what it really depends on. And like I would
Speaker 2: imagine that he probably wants to have a big, big
Speaker 2: role somewhere or he would have stayed to Kentucky in
Speaker 2: hopes of, you know, maybe being the seventh eighth guy,
Speaker 2: but he clearly didn't want to do that. So anyways,
Speaker 2: when I watched him play, I always thought he was
Speaker 2: really really good. And I actually watched him play against
Speaker 2: Reed Shepherd, so reads a year older. But they played
Speaker 2: in the summer against each other at a summer shootout
Speaker 2: that I went to, and it was Lion County versus
Speaker 2: North Oral, and Reid was clearly the better prospect. I
Speaker 2: mean you could tell by watching Reach. I mean I
Speaker 2: remember saying it for years. This isn't just some dude
Speaker 2: from Kentucky who is pretty good for a kid from Kentucky.
Speaker 2: And he's got the bloodline of Jeff Shepherd, so it's
Speaker 2: going to make sense that. I mean, I knew Reach
Speaker 2: sheephard was different.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: He is special and that's the reason why he was
Speaker 2: a top five pick in the NBA Draft. He's a
Speaker 2: great athlete. I mean, he can flat out shoot it
Speaker 2: as good of a passer as you'll see. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's really good, and that stood out in that game.
Speaker 2: But in that one game, Perry actually outplayed him as
Speaker 2: far as just production, Like he was hitting tough shots,
Speaker 2: and you know, I remember thinking, Okay, this is the
Speaker 2: kid they've been talking about for years, because I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't score as many points as he did in
Speaker 2: high school unless you're playing varsity basketball and scoring a
Speaker 2: lot of points from like sixth grade on. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I think you can watch guys who have big numbers
Speaker 2: that are built like guys like Travis Perry, and you
Speaker 2: could tell if they're okay, really good for you know,
Speaker 2: their level maybe mid major type guy, or if they're
Speaker 2: guys that can play at a high level, and you know,
Speaker 2: you never know til you actually see them in those situations.
Speaker 2: But I think Travis Perry is is I've always felt
Speaker 2: like he was a good enough player to play at
Speaker 2: a high level of college basketball. But one thing that
Speaker 2: really hurt him last year is that he didn't make shots.
Speaker 2: And this is going to sound like an exaggeration, but
Speaker 2: I mean it. He's one of the best high school
Speaker 2: shooters I've ever seen. One of the best shooters I've
Speaker 2: ever seen he is. I mean, and I think you
Speaker 2: could tell when he shoots it, even when he misses it,
Speaker 2: that the guy's a shooter. But he had opportunities to
Speaker 2: knock down shots at Kentucky this year and they just
Speaker 2: didn't fall. I don't know what that is. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's because of some big adjustment like, Okay, well
Speaker 2: he can't get a shot off now that he's playing
Speaker 2: against better competition. I just think he miss shots. And
Speaker 2: you know, if the one thing you bring to the
Speaker 2: table that you know is a real big weapon and
Speaker 2: it's not working, then you know you're going to see
Speaker 2: the type of season that he had he just wasn't
Speaker 2: very productive and you know, just didn't work out. But
Speaker 2: I feel like he's somebody that also is at this
Speaker 2: level he's learning. Yeah, I'm not a point guard at
Speaker 2: this level. I'm a combo guard. I'm more of a
Speaker 2: two guard really, and I can score it and I
Speaker 2: can flat out shoot it, but getting your own shot
Speaker 2: at this level when you're not a point guard is
Speaker 2: more difficult. So you know, I just think he probably
Speaker 2: realized the ceiling for him at a place like Kentucky
Speaker 2: was probably throughout his entire if he stayed there four
Speaker 2: years and Kentucky was continuously going to be good building
Speaker 2: rosters that you know, you feel like can compete at
Speaker 2: the top of the sec his ceiling is probably man
Speaker 2: even as like a senior, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: He could probably make a lot of money embracing that
Speaker 2: role and making a ton of nil money from the
Speaker 2: state of Kentucky, because you know, Kentucky loves Kentuckians, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, he would get I mean, look, him and
Speaker 2: Noah and Trent. Noah already had a bunch of inil
Speaker 2: money just because they came. They came to play for
Speaker 2: the hometown Pro. You know, if the home state program,
Speaker 2: So if he'd chose to do that, that would have
Speaker 2: been understandable. But I think he clearly wants to have
Speaker 2: a bigger role, and it makes total sense. Like nobody's
Speaker 2: at fault here. It's just it's how these things play out.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you miss him already and you're
Speaker 2: a Kentucky fan, I get it, because again, he is
Speaker 2: a good player, and also you know, there's something special
Speaker 2: about somebody from your own area, your own state that
Speaker 2: just makes it a little bit different. And I feel
Speaker 2: like had he never you know, had he been Travis Perry,
Speaker 2: all time leading scorer, same exact player, but not in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Let's say he's at Virginia, in the state of Virginia somewhere,
Speaker 2: never would have made sense for him to play at
Speaker 2: Kentucky at any point, especially for Calipari. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, he probably would have hit the portal a
Speaker 2: long time ago in this process had it not been
Speaker 2: for him, kind of thinking, you know, here I am,
Speaker 2: this is my dream, I'm playing for Kentucky, But I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is what makes the most sense
Speaker 2: for me. So I'm sure it was a difficult decision.
Speaker 2: But you know, nobody's at fault. And I don't think
Speaker 2: anybody's at fault for James Scott either, And that's what's weird.
Speaker 2: When players would leave, you'd want to blame somebody, take
Speaker 2: it out on somebody, or maybe you want to blame
Speaker 2: the players themselves, like you know, you weren't loyal or oh,
Speaker 2: you don't want to you don't want to compete. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's some truth to that, but you know,
Speaker 2: or maybe they just realize, hey, I'm gonna go do
Speaker 2: what's best for me, because that's what any human being
Speaker 2: would do. Loyalty, it's important, it matters. I value it
Speaker 2: as a human being. But loyalty means nothing, and I
Speaker 2: mean I shouldn't say it means nothing, but it's it. It.
Speaker 2: You can't expect anybody to stick around and not look
Speaker 2: out for themselves based off, Hey, I got to be
Speaker 2: loyal to this school that gave me an opportunity, Like
Speaker 2: that's just that's foolish, to be honest with you, And
Speaker 2: you're foolish if you don't stick around for the next
Speaker 2: you know, hour and a half, because we still got
Speaker 2: the second the second half of the show, so keep
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Speaker 2: guess this. They don't call them seasons, but there's been
Speaker 2: I guess four volumes of their Told documentary series and
Speaker 2: it's it's basically thirty for thirty, but Netflix's own version
Speaker 2: of it and the one that they're going to I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's gonna be many episodes in this new
Speaker 2: volume that's coming out this summer, but the one that
Speaker 2: they've maybe we maybe it's already out there. As far
Speaker 2: as what they're gonna cover. But one of the latest
Speaker 2: is that they're going to share the story of when
Speaker 2: and I forgot all about this, Austin. You may not
Speaker 2: even know about this, Maybe you do, Gilbert Arenas and
Speaker 2: one of his teammates when he was with the Wizards,
Speaker 2: like they brought guns in the locker room, Gerald critten
Speaker 2: in yes, yes, or Javars Critten yes yes. So you know,
Speaker 2: that's one of those things that like I remember it,
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot about it. It's not something I
Speaker 2: never really think about. But the way in which they
Speaker 2: tell stories here with this, with with this production, like
Speaker 2: I have a feeling one they vetted it and they
Speaker 2: know that there's some good stuff to share. It's gonna
Speaker 2: make it really interesting. So what I learned about thirty
Speaker 2: for thirty is that there are stories that I would
Speaker 2: never or find on the surface that interesting or even
Speaker 2: know anything about. And yet the way that they did that,
Speaker 2: the way that they storytell with the ESPNS thirty for thirty,
Speaker 2: there's really not any subject matter that I wouldn't enjoy
Speaker 2: because of how they do it. And I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like, now that's the same thing we get here.
Speaker 2: I will say that it kind of feels like anybody
Speaker 2: that does the Netflix series Untold, they get a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a pr boost than the ESPN thirty
Speaker 2: for thirty. Like I kind of feel like, if you
Speaker 2: agree to do it, then they're gonna tell you ahead
Speaker 2: of time, we're not going to, like, you know, make
Speaker 2: you look bad. I think with the SPNs thirty for
Speaker 2: thirty there was more of a look, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: We're not gonna make you look one way or the other.
Speaker 2: We're gonna tell a story, and the story is what
Speaker 2: it is. People can take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 2: Like the Johnny Manzel one, a lot of people said that,
Speaker 2: you know, they really didn't hold him accountable for like
Speaker 2: ruining his own life, and it was more so just
Speaker 2: like you know, kind of making excuses for why he
Speaker 2: ended up the way he was now. The one on
Speaker 2: the Florida Gators and Urban Meyer, I mean, I found
Speaker 2: that very well done and interesting, but I understood why
Speaker 2: everybody complained, like, what do you mean you did it?
Speaker 2: You did a four episode feature on Florida in that era,
Speaker 2: and like you didn't even talk about Aaron Hernandez murdering
Speaker 2: people when he got to the NFL like it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't much more so of a puff piece. It
Speaker 2: was just you know, there's there's endless amounts of like
Speaker 2: drama and layers to like everything that went on during
Speaker 2: that era of Florida Gator football. And instead of instead
Speaker 2: of focusing on you know, all the things that made headlines,
Speaker 2: all the scandal, all the crime, all the arrests, they
Speaker 2: just focused on how dominant Florida was and how Tim
Speaker 2: Tebow was, you know, the savior. So I understood the
Speaker 2: complaints about that, but I still felt like it was
Speaker 2: worth watching. So again, both are great, but obviously Netflix,
Speaker 2: I feel like the Untold series is focusing more so
Speaker 2: on for me. I guess just you know, sports stories
Speaker 2: that I'm that I'm familiar with. Like the first one
Speaker 2: ever was the Malice at the Palace, the brawl between
Speaker 2: the Pacers and the Pistons, and that was that was
Speaker 2: that was great. They also did uh and again there's
Speaker 2: something that I haven't seen, but just ones that that
Speaker 2: that you know, I recommend you watch if you haven't yet.
Speaker 2: And look, I know it. Sometimes when it comes to
Speaker 2: documentary series, you think to yourself, like why would I
Speaker 2: watch The Malice at the Palace, Like, I know what happened. Uh,
Speaker 2: they punched each other and some people got arrested and
Speaker 2: there was a big suspension. No, there's way more to it,
Speaker 2: way more to it than you would ever realize, including many,
Speaker 2: many many years later, how they they were able to
Speaker 2: find out who the guy was that actually threw the
Speaker 2: first beer that started the whole thing, So that one
Speaker 2: was really well done.
Speaker 3: That was good.
Speaker 2: And then also this is what I didn't know anything about,
Speaker 2: but it was really really interesting. This one was called
Speaker 2: Crimes and Penalties. It's the Danbury Thrashers. It's a now
Speaker 2: defunct United Hockey Hockey League team, and just the story
Speaker 2: as far as how that league came together and who
Speaker 2: was running it was really interesting. And then man, I
Speaker 2: thought the best one ever was the girlfriend who didn't exist,
Speaker 2: man Titeo's fake girl, Like that was Oh okay, that was.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the untold one on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So because that one, that's that's still to
Speaker 2: this day one of the craziest stories that ever happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in sports, and I think because it took place in
Speaker 2: like twenty eleven, twenty twelve, it was like right before
Speaker 2: the internet had the latest the latest boom that made
Speaker 2: it to where everything we do is online like every
Speaker 2: So it was clearly a big Internet thing. But like,
Speaker 2: you really can't hide a lot of stuff now because
Speaker 2: of the Internet, because of social media, because of everybody
Speaker 2: having their phone out to where back then there just
Speaker 2: wasn't I mean, this day and age a bunch of
Speaker 2: randos on the Internet. If that kind of thing happened now,
Speaker 2: everybody'd be able to determine this person's not real. But
Speaker 2: there was just enough unknown still in the world, right
Speaker 2: we didn't have access to everybody's every move and information
Speaker 2: to where people just accept that, Okay, that's probably a
Speaker 2: true story. What a great story with this guy who's
Speaker 2: an All American football player who loves his girlfriend and man,
Speaker 2: it's sad she got cancer and she died. Like these
Speaker 2: are things that I think even back then, if people
Speaker 2: really pay close enough attention, they could have figured out
Speaker 2: it wasn't real. But that one was good because he
Speaker 2: remember watching that one. He was a part of it,
Speaker 2: and he's and he's the victim. So therefore, like you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like that. There's really no way to make
Speaker 2: him look bad. I mean, I guess if anything, he
Speaker 2: looks foolish for like believing it, But at the end,
Speaker 2: it's just because he's like a very naive, good going guy.
Speaker 2: And also his culture, his faith is is also a
Speaker 2: component that made him a little bit more I think
Speaker 2: just some would say having blinders on him more so
Speaker 2: just wanting to see that, just not ever even having
Speaker 2: the thought that somebody wouldn't be genuine about those kind
Speaker 2: of things. I mean, they really are very samo and
Speaker 2: like everything that's chills him.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: You know, so I remember watching that you watch that one?
Speaker 4: That one was pretty I think that was only one
Speaker 4: that I did watch. I was excited to watch to
Speaker 4: Florida one, but I'm pretty sure when we talked about it,
Speaker 4: you said that just goes into how dominant the Florida
Speaker 4: thing is and really not into the meat and potatoes
Speaker 4: or like what everybody else wanted. I haven't seen anything
Speaker 4: else on that one. I watched clips. I basically watched
Speaker 4: almost a whole Johnny manziel one just through TikTok videos,
Speaker 4: not through actual Netflix. But I was about to ask
Speaker 4: you before we started talking about this one, do you
Speaker 4: have any favorite thirty for thirties? Because I love the
Speaker 4: thirty for thirty growing up.
Speaker 2: There's so many of them that are great, but the
Speaker 2: one that in this one, I don't even know where
Speaker 2: it would rank as far as the best, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was all new to me because a lot of
Speaker 2: these things when you watch them, you hear them share
Speaker 2: and tell the story with different information. You get different
Speaker 2: perspectives from people that they interview, but overall, like like,
Speaker 2: we know what happened. I didn't even know this was
Speaker 2: a thing. But there was an NHL team I think
Speaker 2: the Long Island Islanders. Is that their name? Yes, I
Speaker 2: should know that. But anyways, somebody fake bought the team.
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about this one? I can't say
Speaker 2: I remember that. So this was this was called big
Speaker 2: Shot and this guy came in and saved the franch
Speaker 2: you know, he bought them and if not, nobody else
Speaker 2: was going to buy them and they were going to fold.
Speaker 2: And it was a super super important, you know thing
Speaker 2: to people in Long Island, the New York Islanders anyone
Speaker 2: I knew that didn't sound right, but it's the New
Speaker 2: York Islanders, not the Long Island Islanders. He came in
Speaker 2: and bought him and it was just this oh, my God,
Speaker 2: thank you for this savior. He's he's you know, he's
Speaker 2: going to keep this franchise from folding. He's this Dallas
Speaker 2: businessman named John Spano. Who man, he's he's so wealthy
Speaker 2: and knowledgeable about hockey. He paid one hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five million dollars. But because there was such a level
Speaker 2: of desperation to just get the deal done, nobody vetted him.
Speaker 2: He was completely full of crap, didn't have any money.
Speaker 2: He fake bought them. He was running the franchise that
Speaker 2: never bought them. So then it all, it all came
Speaker 2: to light. But like, like, well, because this so this happened,
Speaker 2: by the way, this this thirty thirty came out in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, I'm sorry, twenty thirteen, but when
Speaker 2: it actually took it was nineteen ninety six. So you
Speaker 2: were you born then? So I was born in ninety three.
Speaker 2: So you get so that that that that gives you
Speaker 2: an example. I didn't even know that this ever had
Speaker 2: even happened, And sure enough I'm watching thirty for thirty
Speaker 2: and I you know, so it's all new to me
Speaker 2: and it's all fascinating, and that's what made it really
Speaker 2: stand out and they're all great. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I've ever watched the thirty for thirty that I regretted
Speaker 2: that I didn't think it was good. Some are more
Speaker 2: interesting to me than others, But no, did you have
Speaker 2: a favorite that really like? The one about Randy Moss
Speaker 2: was also really, really, really popular, and I liked it
Speaker 2: a lot too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked I always remember liking the drama that
Speaker 4: surrounded the Steve Bartman guy, the family caught the Yeah
Speaker 4: they caught that, that they caught that.
Speaker 2: That's probably one of the more famous thirty for thirties, actually, Mary.
Speaker 4: One I one of the first ones was a Ricky
Speaker 4: Williams one. It was Run, Ricky Run. I love that one.
Speaker 4: And the also one that I really loved that made
Speaker 4: me appreciate baseball a little more was the I'll have
Speaker 4: to look it up, see Fernando Nation.
Speaker 3: It was the one about Fernando.
Speaker 4: Valenzuela and his influence on like the Dodgers back that
Speaker 4: that was awesome because it made me realize, dude, that
Speaker 4: that guy was good.
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot about sports as far as just
Speaker 2: you know, the history of things with thirty for thirty
Speaker 2: because there's so much that like we didn't experience because
Speaker 2: we weren't alive, or we were too young and whenever.
Speaker 2: I mean, really, the best way to, I think, educate
Speaker 2: yourself on big stories that happened long before you were around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can do research, but there's no better way to,
Speaker 2: I think, get the full scope of it than watching
Speaker 2: it featured in thirty for thirty. I mean that's I'm
Speaker 2: surprised you could educate yourself on the history of sports
Speaker 2: in our country by watching like every thirty for thirty.
Speaker 2: I really do believe that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree that it just puts a lot
Speaker 4: of more fun context and story behind it. But I'm
Speaker 4: shocked you didn't say the Reggie Miller one were against
Speaker 4: the against the Knicks. Yeah, I mean I like that one.
Speaker 3: I just was bringing back some bad memories.
Speaker 2: No, not bad memories, it's good memories. I mean I
Speaker 2: was really young when that happened. But like, I mean,
Speaker 2: that was my first memory of Reggie Miller. Is other
Speaker 2: than just knowing he plays from a Pacers and I
Speaker 2: like him, Like I remember the Spike League connection, so
Speaker 2: you know, heck, there was a what was it, non
Speaker 2: points in eight seconds?
Speaker 3: Is what he is?
Speaker 2: What ended up happening. Like the first blog that I
Speaker 2: read covering the Pacers was called non Points eight seconds
Speaker 2: dot com. Like, I just think that's so cool that
Speaker 2: that's what they like, that it's such a big part
Speaker 2: of the whole thing. So I liked that one a lot,
Speaker 2: and I just to me it featured Spike Lee too much,
Speaker 2: like he's part of it. But like you know, Reggie Miller,
Speaker 2: like Reggie Miller is is a legendary all time NBA player.
Speaker 2: The Spike Lee component, like is just a small, tiny
Speaker 2: part of his story, if you even would say it's
Speaker 2: a part of his story, if that makes sense. So again,
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. It just but what really really hit
Speaker 2: me in the fields as a Pacers fan, and you know,
Speaker 2: idolizing that era of the Pacers and Reggie growing up
Speaker 2: was the last Dance docu series, because.
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a thirty for thirty, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Technically No, I think it's its own thing. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: But to hear Jordan and Reggie talk about those battles,
Speaker 2: I mean, and Jordan respected Reggie Miller, I think more
Speaker 2: than he respected a lot of players, even players that
Speaker 2: were clearly better than Reggie because Reggie Miller wasn't scared
Speaker 2: of him, and he and I think Jordan and Bray
Speaker 2: like Jordan like really loved the battles that he had
Speaker 2: with Reggie. Reggie was nowhere near the player Michael Jordan was, clearly,
Speaker 2: but like to hear them talk about those those Eastern
Speaker 2: Conference finals back in the nineties, I mean that was
Speaker 2: my childhood and I remember recreating shots that Reggie would
Speaker 2: hit in those games in my driveway after the game,
Speaker 2: and just to hear Reggie talk about, like how cause again,
Speaker 2: a lot of people on that series just stroke Jordan.
Speaker 2: I mean that's really what it was. And that's fine
Speaker 2: because Jordan's Jordan. But you could tell like Reggie hated him,
Speaker 2: But it was because of the competitiveness that Reggie had.
Speaker 2: Reggie is nowhere near the player that Michael was, or
Speaker 2: Kobe or any of the all time greats. But one
Speaker 2: thing he had that I would put up there with
Speaker 2: those guys, not to say he's better. He had a
Speaker 2: level of competitiveness that you could sense at every moment,
Speaker 2: and that's what made him great. Like he wasn't a
Speaker 2: great ass athlete. He was a good shooter obviously, but
Speaker 2: he was just a fierce competitor, and that stood out
Speaker 2: when you watched him play, and to hear the best
Speaker 2: of all time, Michael Jordan, the best competitor, the best
Speaker 2: player ever. To hear him kind of just glaze Reggie
Speaker 2: when it comes to that aspect, Like it melted me,
Speaker 2: like I was, I mean, I mean embarrassing to say,
Speaker 2: like I had tears of minds here on it. Whenever
Speaker 2: we watched the that was one of one of the
Speaker 2: bright spots of the pandemic. We were all away and
Speaker 2: in quarantine, but they gave us each week, they gave
Speaker 2: us a new episode and it was like going back
Speaker 2: in time and reliving my childhood. That was a great documentary.
Speaker 2: It was probably one of the best ever. Really well done.
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Speaker 2: We were talking about the thirty for thirty series from
Speaker 2: ESPN and of course Netflix's I mean, I call up
Speaker 2: their own version of it. I'm sure they they you know,
Speaker 2: they don't view it that way, but sports documentaries, but
Speaker 2: I'd forgot about one that came out last year that
Speaker 2: Netflix put out with the Untold series, which was about
Speaker 2: Steve McNair, which I mean, I knew the story of
Speaker 2: how he was murdered, and I mean I think everybody
Speaker 2: knows that, but there were a lot of uh it's
Speaker 2: actually kind of sad how that all played out. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of details as far as who the
Speaker 2: girl was and how like everything happened that I wasn't
Speaker 2: aware of. So yeah, that was good, and thank you
Speaker 2: for whoever was in the text on that brought that
Speaker 2: one up. All right, we were wrapping up the five
Speaker 2: o'clock hour or I'm sorry, four o'clock hour. We get
Speaker 2: the five clock hour coming up here soon. But we'll
Speaker 2: get back into the whole transfer portal stuff. Just because
Speaker 2: with Louisville, I mean, I think now you have you
Speaker 2: clearly have a role. You mean you I think had
Speaker 2: Yesterday ended without James Scott and the portal, you still
Speaker 2: would have had a couple of scholarships available. But I
Speaker 2: don't think that you really feel as if, okay, we
Speaker 2: got to go get this type this type of piece
Speaker 2: to really be good. I think you feel pretty set,
Speaker 2: and you hope that the last two spots are just
Speaker 2: guys that you know are willing to come in and
Speaker 2: accept whatever role is is they or even though it
Speaker 2: probably won't be a big role. Well now, with James
Speaker 2: Scott gone, I mean, I still think as is you
Speaker 2: could still be a pretty good team. But you, now,
Speaker 2: I think, are more eagerly looking to kind of fill
Speaker 2: at least try to fill the void that you have
Speaker 2: with him gone. And I think for the most part,
Speaker 2: production wise, you can fill that just with the guys
Speaker 2: you have already in the mix, a healthy Ali Khalifa
Speaker 2: and a healthy case in prior and of course Sonny
Speaker 2: Frew coming over as a freshman. But I still think,
Speaker 2: you know those three with Scott, your front court clearly
Speaker 2: was in better shape. So I have no clue as
Speaker 2: far as who they're going to go after, but we
Speaker 2: can certainly certainly get into that real quick though. This
Speaker 2: story is wild. So I don't watch any professional baseball,
Speaker 2: have not and probably never will, but it seems like
Speaker 2: those that really like to watch baseball one I would
Speaker 2: recommend you find out. I mean, I'm here to tell
Speaker 2: you there's better things to do, but hey, do whatever
Speaker 2: you want with your time. I'm sure I spend time
Speaker 2: doing things you guys would never want to do. But
Speaker 2: it seems difficult to find baseball, Like you know, games
Speaker 2: are blocked out? Is it on you know, Bally Sports South?
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like, you know, it's not as
Speaker 2: easy to watch your favorite baseball team as it is
Speaker 2: your favorite NFL team or your favorite NBA team. But
Speaker 2: this is I mean, this is a nightmare. So I
Speaker 2: don't even know this was a thing MASN. Plus it's
Speaker 2: the mid Atlantic Sports Network. Well apparently it is the
Speaker 2: direct to consumer option for people who want to watch
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Orioles and the Washington Nationals. So you can
Speaker 2: pay eighty nine to ninety nine a year or nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine a month in order to have access to
Speaker 2: watch those games. Not crazy, I mean, I'd say if
Speaker 2: it's my team, I'd easily pay that. I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 2: But I mean if you had to pay a monthly
Speaker 2: fee to watch any Louisville Cardinal game and it was
Speaker 2: one hundred bucks a month, a lot of us would
Speaker 2: you do would pay it or we'd find a way
Speaker 2: to watch it somehow, because that's how much we care,
Speaker 2: so you know, I don't think that's a crazy price. Whoever,
Speaker 2: there was a glitch, a mistake, a technical error on
Speaker 2: the end of the mid Atlantic Sports Network that instead
Speaker 2: of charging somebody eighty nine to ninety nine for the
Speaker 2: annual price to get it for a year, there were
Speaker 2: a handful of people. In fact, it looks like nearly
Speaker 2: one hundred customers were charged eight thousand, nine hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety nine dollars rather than eighty nine dollars and ninety
Speaker 2: nine cents. So I don't know how they're going to
Speaker 2: work through getting people their money back. Clearly they're gonna
Speaker 2: get refunded, but someone messed up. I mean, can you do?
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like if you were to, like
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't have nine thousand dollars in
Speaker 2: their checking account to charge. I mean, can you again,
Speaker 2: I better have that overdraft protection. Yeah, But like again,
Speaker 2: even if you have overdraft protection, I feel like if
Speaker 2: it's gonna put you over maybe even like a couple
Speaker 2: hundred bucks, like it would still it would it would
Speaker 2: give you the overdraft protection and they would cover it,
Speaker 2: and then you of course would have to pay some
Speaker 2: fees and whatnot. I don't even know how that works,
Speaker 2: not to say, you know, we don't have overdraft, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean again, I'm a child when it comes to money.
Speaker 2: My wife, you know, she handles all that, so I
Speaker 2: don't even check our account, so I don't even maybe
Speaker 2: she could have a drug addiction. I would and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't know about it. But what I'm getting at is,
Speaker 2: I feel like, even if you have like protection and
Speaker 2: you can have like rollover from savings if it comes
Speaker 2: if checking gets too low, I would imagine if it's
Speaker 2: a nine thousand dollars charge, like the bank wouldn't let
Speaker 2: like you. They wouldn't even be able to charge you that, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, I feel like even
Speaker 2: if you have an insane amount of money and a
Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars standard charge from a company that's like
Speaker 2: a TV network, I feel like your bank would flag
Speaker 2: that and say, yeah, that's not like right. But apparently
Speaker 2: some people, uh you know, they got charged and now
Speaker 2: they're fighting for their money and they are going to
Speaker 2: pay them back. It's just I would imagine that's it
Speaker 2: is wild. How you know, when it comes to refunding,
Speaker 2: you know, that's what good businesses do, but man, they
Speaker 2: have no problem immediately taking your money and accepting it.
Speaker 2: But there's always some kind of a delay. It's going
Speaker 2: to take a certain amount of time to process. Okay,
Speaker 2: well you say so, Alright, five o'clock hour next right
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