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Speaker 4: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 4: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 3: all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the
Speaker 3: UFO Chronicles podcast. For tonight's guest, we touched down in
Speaker 3: a state of Texas to meet and Beverly will be
Speaker 3: sharing some of her experiences with us, including close up
Speaker 3: UFO encounters, a near diff experience at age four, a
Speaker 3: life change in paranormal experience at eighteen whilst sitting at
Speaker 3: a red light after death, visits from her grandparents over
Speaker 3: a couple of nights in a row, and discovering she
Speaker 3: had the ability to connect with those that are no
Speaker 3: longer here. Beverly is up next.
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Speaker 6: Now on with the show. Hello, Beverly, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It is wonderful to have you with us tonight, and
Speaker 3: you're calling from the state of Texas.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am Austin. Well, actually Georgetown is north of Boston.
Speaker 3: Georgetown great stuff and right on the river.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. It's beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 3: Okay. Now, Beverly, you have several experiences to share with us,
Speaker 3: spanning several decades. Would you like start a beginning please.
Speaker 2: Ma'am sure. I think I'll start with the UFO experiences
Speaker 2: that I have had. My first UFO experience happened in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight when I was sixteen. My parents had
Speaker 2: a ski boat and liked to camp at Keystone Lake,
Speaker 2: which is about twenty three miles upstream from the city
Speaker 2: of Tulsa, Oklahoma. And in nineteen sixty eight, being that
Speaker 2: far from the city, there was no light pollution, so
Speaker 2: you could see millions of stars. It was just wonderful.
Speaker 2: So on this night, around nine thirty or so, I
Speaker 2: went down to the edge of the lake and laid
Speaker 2: down in the grass, just looking up at the stars.
Speaker 2: Two friends soon joined me, and we just laid there
Speaker 2: talking looking up at the stars. And there were different
Speaker 2: sizes of stars, of course, and I noticed a few
Speaker 2: were larger than some others. So suddenly one of the
Speaker 2: larger stars moved to our left. Really fast. It did
Speaker 2: three zigzags, and then zoomed off to the left, just
Speaker 2: incredibly fast, disappearing in an instant. Well, all three of
Speaker 2: us just sat up and we're really excited. We couldn't
Speaker 2: believe what we'd seen. We knew it was not a
Speaker 2: plane or anything like that, because it was up way
Speaker 2: too high and a plane couldn't possibly change direction like
Speaker 2: that or disappear in a flash. So after about ten minutes,
Speaker 2: we noticed another star moving in a path perpendicular to
Speaker 2: the first one's path, and it stopped and did three zigzags,
Speaker 2: stopped again, then it shot off to the right, which
Speaker 2: was the opposite direction the other one had gone, and
Speaker 2: it too disappeared in a flash. Well, we were just
Speaker 2: so giddy. We could not believe that we'd seen two,
Speaker 2: much less even one, in the same night, and we
Speaker 2: wondered where they were going and how many more were
Speaker 2: up there, and it was just really exciting. And you
Speaker 2: have to keep in mind this was before Internet and
Speaker 2: all of that. I had never even heard about UFOs
Speaker 2: like Roswell or anything. In fact, we were still calling
Speaker 2: them flying saucers back then. All I'd ever seen was
Speaker 2: scary science fiction movies and comic books about aliens. So
Speaker 2: I told my parents about it immediately, but they refused
Speaker 2: to believe me. My father even accused me of lying.
Speaker 2: And he was a physicist who did top secret work
Speaker 2: for the government, but first and foremost, he was a
Speaker 2: Bible belief moving fundamentals Christian, and you know, there was
Speaker 2: just no way he could allow himself to believe anything
Speaker 2: that challenged the creation story, so I did not get
Speaker 2: any support from them. My second UFO experience took place
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, and it was around nine forty
Speaker 2: five at night. A friend and I were driving back
Speaker 2: from visiting some friends way north of Boston. My friend
Speaker 2: was driving and I was in the passenger seat to
Speaker 2: her ride. The speed limit was around sixty five or
Speaker 2: seventy miles per hour. There was nothing but fields and
Speaker 2: darkness for about as far as you could see in
Speaker 2: every direction, and there didn't seem to be any other
Speaker 2: cars on the highway. There was certainly nobody behind us
Speaker 2: or in front of us. And so in the distance
Speaker 2: I noticed we would be approaching an underpass, and this
Speaker 2: is where a side road crosses over the highway and
Speaker 2: you go underneath there, and there were some big lights.
Speaker 2: Lots of lights around that area, and maybe a gas station,
Speaker 2: so it was really a well lighted area. And what
Speaker 2: caught my eye I noticed, coming towards the area diagonally
Speaker 2: and moving very slow, was a light and I thought
Speaker 2: it must be a helicopter, but I'd never seen one
Speaker 2: travel that slow. I also noticed there were no lights
Speaker 2: anywhere around it or with it, no tail light, nothing.
Speaker 2: This immediately intrigued me. All I could make out was
Speaker 2: it was a very bright light which prevented me from
Speaker 2: seeing any shape, and it was not a search spotlight
Speaker 2: aimed at the ground or anything. It was as if
Speaker 2: the light was on the bottom of whatever this was.
Speaker 2: So as we started to pass under it, I rolled
Speaker 2: down my window and I could hear I could not
Speaker 2: hear any sound or vibration at all. It was completely silent.
Speaker 2: As it passed overhead, I turned and watched it as
Speaker 2: we drove on down the highway, and it slowly flew
Speaker 2: further away, going down the highway behind us, and I
Speaker 2: noticed it turned to the left and disappeared behind some trees,
Speaker 2: And as I turned back around in my seat, I
Speaker 2: said to my friend, well, darn, I wish I would
Speaker 2: have loved to have gotten a better look at that thing.
Speaker 2: My friend said, well, you're gonna get your chance, because
Speaker 2: it's coming back. And I turned around and quickly saw
Speaker 2: the light was coming towards us really fast, and by
Speaker 2: the time I turned around quickly in my seat, it
Speaker 2: was already even with the car and was hovering just
Speaker 2: above my passenger window by my shoulder. It might have
Speaker 2: been maybe six to ten feet above the car. I
Speaker 2: really don't know. I rolled down my window and there
Speaker 2: was no sound, no vibration. I even looked out the
Speaker 2: window up at it, but it was just a blinding
Speaker 2: white light. And I suddenly remembered I had a new
Speaker 2: small digital camera on the console to my left, so
Speaker 2: in one swift motion, I grabbed it. I brought it
Speaker 2: immediately to my right hand turned to snap the picture
Speaker 2: in automatic mode, but the thing was gone. I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it. In the span of just one point five
Speaker 2: seconds that it took me to grab the camera and turn,
Speaker 2: it had disappeared. Wow. We pulled over and looked in
Speaker 2: every direction, but it had absolutely vanished. And so I
Speaker 2: looked at the clock to make sure we had no
Speaker 2: missing time, you know, to confirm that we had not
Speaker 2: been abducted or anything, and we weren't, which is probably
Speaker 2: a good thing, you know. And years later, when I
Speaker 2: heard doctor Greer say that by using mental telepathy he
Speaker 2: could contact these things, I then wondered, you know, if
Speaker 2: my having wished to get a better look, had somehow
Speaker 2: been picked up by this thing or its occupants, and
Speaker 2: so it said okay, here we come. And then the
Speaker 2: same thing with the camera. You know, if it knew
Speaker 2: that I was going to grab the camera. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's just my speculation way after the effect, but I
Speaker 2: you know, I've really wondered about that. And if it
Speaker 2: was government, our government that engineered you know, reverse engineered stuff,
Speaker 2: or if it was intelligent beings from somewhere else that
Speaker 2: maybe have found a way around our law of physics
Speaker 2: or come through a wormhole or gosh, you know, some
Speaker 2: people think they might be interdimensional beings. Who knows. I
Speaker 2: can tell you my father later decided that anything that
Speaker 2: was in the sky was demonic because the Bible says so,
Speaker 2: so there go there. I can honestly say I did
Speaker 2: not agree with that, But so I had a couple
Speaker 2: other experiences, but they're not as significant as that I
Speaker 2: did see another light coming across the highway one evening,
Speaker 2: and it was just like the other one. It was
Speaker 2: a slow moving light, and I watched it, and I
Speaker 2: pulled over to the side of the road and I listened,
Speaker 2: and again there was no sound, and there was no
Speaker 2: other lights, and it just very very slowly, just meandered
Speaker 2: on its way off into the distance. So what I
Speaker 2: gleaned from this is there seems to be these things everywhere,
Speaker 2: you know, in enough places that someone like me has
Speaker 2: seen them three times now or four actually, So I
Speaker 2: think people can just go out and look and maybe
Speaker 2: they will see something. Who knows. The next experience I
Speaker 2: had was not a UFO experience, but I had a
Speaker 2: near death experience when I was four years old. And
Speaker 2: this was a situation where I had accidentally suffered vacated,
Speaker 2: and I floated up through the roof of the house,
Speaker 2: higher and higher to where I was in the cosmos,
Speaker 2: I guess should say. And the next thing I knew
Speaker 2: there was a tunnel of square tubes of light, and
Speaker 2: I found myself flying through this tunnel, and it was
Speaker 2: a curved tunnel that sort of arcd out and away
Speaker 2: and then back around, and there were spaces between each
Speaker 2: of these square tubes of light, so I could see
Speaker 2: through it, and I knew that I was not four
Speaker 2: years old anymore. That awareness just came to me. I
Speaker 2: didn't know if I had a body anymore or anything,
Speaker 2: but off in the distance, I could see a ginormous,
Speaker 2: enormous light. I mean, it was just massive, and it
Speaker 2: spanned all the way across and behind me somewhere, and
Speaker 2: I instantly knew I was returning to a point of origin.
Speaker 2: And that phrase a point of origin is the exact
Speaker 2: thought that entered my mind, which kind of strikes me
Speaker 2: as weird right now, but that's that's what happened. And
Speaker 2: again I was no longer four. I felt ageless, and
Speaker 2: I could see in the light as I was growing
Speaker 2: nearer but still really pretty far away, that the light
Speaker 2: consisted of spirits in a place, all combined, and they
Speaker 2: were made of the same thing. Everything was glowing a
Speaker 2: whitish yellow color. And as I grew closer but was
Speaker 2: still so far away, I telepathically just gestured to the light.
Speaker 2: But I'm not finished here yet. I mean, I was
Speaker 2: really surprised to be going back, and I had gestured
Speaker 2: back towards Earth because I couldn't believe that I had
Speaker 2: left there. And with that, the light and the tunnel
Speaker 2: went away, and I was now floating in the stars,
Speaker 2: very peacefully, and it was just an amazing experience, and
Speaker 2: I obviously returned. But what is most incredible about this
Speaker 2: is the fact that I wanted to return it all,
Speaker 2: even if I had anything else to do here, because
Speaker 2: I had a really ghastly home life. I was unloved
Speaker 2: and wanted abused, So you might wonder, why would any
Speaker 2: kid want to return to that? Well in the tunnel,
Speaker 2: I was ageless, and this puzzled me for a long time.
Speaker 2: But as I grew up, I just kind of forgot
Speaker 2: about everything, and it wasn't until I was around thirty
Speaker 2: eight that it jumped out at me and I remembered it,
Speaker 2: and I recalled that when I was in the tunnel
Speaker 2: wanting to return, I had no thoughts about my parents,
Speaker 2: the abuse, anything. There was no fear, no judgment, just
Speaker 2: in knowing that I I was not finished here yet,
Speaker 2: and I came to understand for myself anyway, I can't
Speaker 2: speak for other people that whatever happens in this thing
Speaker 2: we call life, it is simply not viewed the same
Speaker 2: outside of this life. You know, we assign values and
Speaker 2: judgments to things, but that is just not how it
Speaker 2: felt outside of this reality for me anyway. And one
Speaker 2: other thing is that others have said that this world,
Speaker 2: this earth, does not seem real, and that's exactly how
Speaker 2: I felt too, you know, that Earth was not real,
Speaker 2: that I was returning to something that just wasn't real.
Speaker 2: It was almost like a oh, I don't know a
Speaker 2: game or a place, but it's very hard to describe
Speaker 2: because I guess you just have to be there, you know.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, I felt like I got a lot
Speaker 2: out of that, and over time it helped to me
Speaker 2: kind of understand my relationship with my parents on a
Speaker 2: different level. I went from just hating them to actually
Speaker 2: developing a sense of compassion. After all, they were once
Speaker 2: little children and something happened to them and they didn't
Speaker 2: handle it very well, and so they were not quite
Speaker 2: as good as they could have been, I guess you
Speaker 2: could say. And so I have a sense of compassion
Speaker 2: about that now and that feels very good. I feel
Speaker 2: like I've come a long way spiritually for that. So
Speaker 2: the next thing I would love to share or about
Speaker 2: some paranormal experiences I've had. Not that that one wasn't one,
Speaker 2: but these certainly are. I have been psychic from an
Speaker 2: early age, and I understand that some people who've had
Speaker 2: near death experiences do become psychic. And I would always
Speaker 2: just know something was going to happen, but it was
Speaker 2: never any thing a big deal. I never did any
Speaker 2: readings for anyone or anything like that. But what really
Speaker 2: was a life changing experience for me was when I
Speaker 2: was eighteen years old. This was in nineteen seventy, and
Speaker 2: I was living in Stowater, Oklahoma, and I was driving
Speaker 2: a little MGB sports car and the windows were rolled up,
Speaker 2: and I was coming from a side street and I
Speaker 2: approached a four lane road that was leading out of
Speaker 2: Stowater heading north and south, and the side road was
Speaker 2: there was field and stuff fields to the left and
Speaker 2: the right, and it was very dark. Only the roads
Speaker 2: were lit where the four lane road was and the
Speaker 2: traffic light was red, and there was nobody around. And
Speaker 2: this was a very flat area. There were no houses
Speaker 2: or anything because I was pretty much at the edge
Speaker 2: of town, so I could see left and right in
Speaker 2: both directions, and in fact, on the left looking to
Speaker 2: the left. It did have a little bit of a
Speaker 2: tiny bit of a hill, but that was way way
Speaker 2: way far away too. So I'm sitting at the light,
Speaker 2: and when I was driving this car, I really liked
Speaker 2: to just take off when the light would change, and
Speaker 2: being a standard trench mission, you had to shift gears.
Speaker 2: So I was waiting for the light to change, and
Speaker 2: so all of a sudden, I saw it changed to green,
Speaker 2: and so I let up on the clutch and pressed
Speaker 2: down on the gas and I just took off and
Speaker 2: I was crossing the first lane, and then as I
Speaker 2: was shifting in gears to the second lane, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, some light was coming from my left, and
Speaker 2: I turned and I looked, and the light was just
Speaker 2: suddenly right there at the glass at my window. But
Speaker 2: a funny thing happened. All of a sudden, everything just froze.
Speaker 2: It's as if time suddenly stopped, and I was just
Speaker 2: all I could see was this bright white light right
Speaker 2: at my window, and the thought of death came over me.
Speaker 2: I just kept blinking, trying to focus and figure out
Speaker 2: what was going on. Then everything went black, completely black,
Speaker 2: and I was trying to see what was in this blackness,
Speaker 2: and I kept blinking, and then I realized I was
Speaker 2: seeing a field and a fence and grass, and it
Speaker 2: was still very dark, and then finally a curb, and
Speaker 2: I realized I was looking out my window to the
Speaker 2: left and to the side of the road, and I
Speaker 2: immediately realized I was still in my car. So I
Speaker 2: turned my head and I looked back straight ahead. The
Speaker 2: light was still red, and I was still where I
Speaker 2: had been at the traffic light, and I was just stunned,
Speaker 2: and I even set out loud, I'm going to see
Speaker 2: what happens. So I weighed so Normally, you know, when
Speaker 2: the light was going to change, I would go, but
Speaker 2: I decided, I'm just going to wait. I'm going to see.
Speaker 2: I'm going to mentally pace myself. And so when the
Speaker 2: light changed to green, there was still nothing anywhere in
Speaker 2: any direction. I was the only car at this entire
Speaker 2: intersection anywhere, and so I mentally paced myself. I imagine that
Speaker 2: I pressed on the clutch and then the gas, and okay,
Speaker 2: now I was approaching the first lane, and now I
Speaker 2: was starting to shift and I was into the second
Speaker 2: lane when all of a sudden, from the left, easily
Speaker 2: easily over was an hour or more a car flew
Speaker 2: through that light and was gone out of town. It
Speaker 2: was like a blur. It could have been a UFO
Speaker 2: that went through there. It was so fast, and I
Speaker 2: just sat there and I wondered to myself, who or
Speaker 2: what was that? Because that was such an amazing experience.
Speaker 2: It saved my life, and it told me that there
Speaker 2: was something operating in this world that we cannot see
Speaker 2: and we don't know what it is, and that really
Speaker 2: set me and the course of wanting to explore what
Speaker 2: it might be. I certainly wasn't religious, so I didn't
Speaker 2: think it could be anything like that, but I knew
Speaker 2: that there was just something for sure. So I didn't
Speaker 2: really have any other amazing experiences until twenty fourteen, which
Speaker 2: is quite a bit later, but I was raising a
Speaker 2: family and stuff, and so in twenty fourteen, my grandmother
Speaker 2: had died about two weeks before, and my grandfather had
Speaker 2: died seventeen years before, and I'd always wanted an after
Speaker 2: death visit from my grandfather, but I never got one.
Speaker 2: So I was really hoping that after my grandmother, who
Speaker 2: I was very close to, had died, that I would
Speaker 2: hear from her. So it was about two weeks later,
Speaker 2: and I was lying in bed that night, and I
Speaker 2: was kind of sad that, you know, I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to get in after death experience with her, and so
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, a few minutes later, I guess
Speaker 2: it was, I started having this sensation in my chest.
Speaker 2: It felt like my chest was expanding, and it kept
Speaker 2: happening and increasing to where it was almost getting uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: And right about the time that it was really starting
Speaker 2: to be uncomfortable, I became aware that my grandparents were there,
Speaker 2: and where there was in the room was I felt
Speaker 2: like they were inside my chest. I don't know how
Speaker 2: to explain this, but I closed my eyes, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I felt like I was wherever they were,
Speaker 2: but I felt like I was still lying in bed,
Speaker 2: and my grandparents were there. I could see their faces
Speaker 2: and they were leaning over towards me, and their faces
Speaker 2: were so much younger than they had been at the
Speaker 2: time they died, and they were both so happy, just
Speaker 2: beaming and really really happy. And I was just amazed.
Speaker 2: But I realized that this was my after death contact
Speaker 2: with them. I was very excited, but then I suddenly
Speaker 2: felt kind of guilty because I felt like I owed
Speaker 2: my grandmother an apology because I had not visited her
Speaker 2: the last year of her life for various reasons, and
Speaker 2: so I apologized to her, but I could no sooner
Speaker 2: finish the sentence than she was patting my arm, saying,
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, don't even worry about that, don't
Speaker 2: worry about that. And the next thing I remember saying
Speaker 2: to her was, well, I guess I will see you
Speaker 2: before too long, and she just laughed and she said,
Speaker 2: oh no, no, not for a long time. And years
Speaker 2: later I wondered what she meant by a long time.
Speaker 2: What is her definition of a long time? You know?
Speaker 2: So that was kind of funny. But the next night
Speaker 2: I was really surprised that they came again. And I
Speaker 2: don't remember anything we talked about or what I asked them,
Speaker 2: but I knew that next morning when I woke up
Speaker 2: that they had come, and I was really upset that
Speaker 2: I hadn't asked them where they were and what they
Speaker 2: had been doing all this time. So I thought, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe some other time. And it wasn't until
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, whenever I had gotten into meditation and stuff,
Speaker 2: that I was suddenly surprised my grandparents appeared in this meditation.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like a lucid dream the way
Speaker 2: it happened. Just all of a sudden, there they were
Speaker 2: to my right, and I was really excited, and I
Speaker 2: remembered that I'd wanted to ask them where they were
Speaker 2: and what they'd been doing all this time. So I
Speaker 2: turned to my grandmother and I asked her, and she said,
Speaker 2: you know, but you're not supposed to remember. I knew
Speaker 2: she was right. I just knew on a deep, deep level,
Speaker 2: but she was absolutely right. We'd come here with our
Speaker 2: memories erased for whatever reason, and I think that enables
Speaker 2: us to do whatever we're supposed to do here. So
Speaker 2: that was That was a fun experience, And in twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen I decided to explore my psychic abilities a little
Speaker 2: bit further. I bought a book and I did exercises,
Speaker 2: and I was really shocked to discover that I was
Speaker 2: Claire sentient, which means that for me, that I could
Speaker 2: feel temperature differences in things such as a deck of
Speaker 2: playing cards that have red and black on the front,
Speaker 2: you know, for the characters, the diamonds, the clubs and
Speaker 2: all that. And this was much much higher than chance
Speaker 2: which just amazed me. I thought, Oh my god, have
Speaker 2: I had this ability all this time? This was an
Speaker 2: incredible and I switched to this playing cards called Uno,
Speaker 2: which were red, yellow, blue, and green, and again I
Speaker 2: was stunned that I could tell the temperature differences and
Speaker 2: all of these colors, and I wondered, did I have
Speaker 2: this talent all along? And I felt bad that I
Speaker 2: hadn't been using it for the greater good or something,
Speaker 2: if you will. So I decided to add meditations to
Speaker 2: my practice, and I had some really really amazing experiences that,
Speaker 2: I mean, people would think I was crazy if I
Speaker 2: even shared those, but I mean when I went through
Speaker 2: something took my arm and took me through a wormhole
Speaker 2: and I saw things. I saw different universes and things,
Speaker 2: and I just could not believe all this was happening
Speaker 2: to me. It was mind blowing. And a friend of
Speaker 2: mine said, you know, I've been meditating for years and
Speaker 2: I've never had any experiences like I said, Well, I
Speaker 2: don't understand why this is happening.
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Speaker 2: The x x X. So anyway, I just kept doing
Speaker 2: some meditations and one of the reasons that I wanted
Speaker 2: to use my psychic abilities was I wanted to help
Speaker 2: missing children, to help find them, because I just hate
Speaker 2: hearing on the news how a child has gone missing
Speaker 2: and the parents are just devastated. And I thought this
Speaker 2: would be such a wonderful and such a noble thing
Speaker 2: to do if I were able to do it. So
Speaker 2: what I'm going to describe happened over the next three
Speaker 2: week period. I did my first meditation and I asked
Speaker 2: the creative consciousness to help me, you know, to find
Speaker 2: these missing children. So what I did was I looked
Speaker 2: on the missing Children's website and I picked a missing
Speaker 2: teenage girl and I did my first meditation, and immediately
Speaker 2: I saw a scene that was of a small cabin
Speaker 2: with no doors on it. It was really run down,
Speaker 2: it was like a shack. But this was like full color,
Speaker 2: almost like a movie. And I could see in complete
Speaker 2: detail this man, his clothes, his hair, his eye color,
Speaker 2: and I knew the city. It was north of Austin,
Speaker 2: and I was aware that there was a girl on
Speaker 2: the bed and she was dead off to the right,
Speaker 2: and I could even tell that he was wondering how
Speaker 2: to get rid of the body. And that's all I
Speaker 2: got in that first meditation. But it just, I mean,
Speaker 2: this really blew my mind. I couldn't even believe that
Speaker 2: I had seen something like this, and of course there
Speaker 2: was no way to prove any of this. I thought,
Speaker 2: am I making this up? What is going on? And
Speaker 2: then it occurred to me that I could look up
Speaker 2: registered sex offenders in that city. So I got online
Speaker 2: and I went to the site and I was scrolling
Speaker 2: down and about the seventh person down, my heart just stopped.
Speaker 2: This was the man that I had seen in the vision.
Speaker 2: And I was just flabbergasted. I thought, okay, how is
Speaker 2: that even possible? I mean, I couldn't understand it, but
Speaker 2: I thought, well, okay, you know, maybe the universe wants
Speaker 2: me to do this. So I pursued it. I did
Speaker 2: more meditations, and I kept trying to get more information.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: I got information that her body had been thrown in
Speaker 2: a river. And I didn't even know a river had
Speaker 2: run through that city, and it did. And I was
Speaker 2: getting so much stuff, and all this time a voice
Speaker 2: in my head kept assuring me this was all true.
Speaker 2: And so after about two weeks and many meditations, I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, but I typed it
Speaker 2: all up and I humbly took it to the Center
Speaker 2: for Missing Kids in Austin, and they were very polite
Speaker 2: and thanked me, and I'm sure they probably thought I
Speaker 2: was just one more lunatic and as I walked out
Speaker 2: of there, but I felt like I had to do something.
Speaker 2: I couldn't just sit on this. After all of this
Speaker 2: girl was missing, I wanted her to come home, and
Speaker 2: so the next I guess that night, I did another meditation.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know where her body was exactly. Well,
Speaker 2: the vision began quickly like a view from above, like
Speaker 2: Google Earth or something, and I thought, Okay, this is great.
Speaker 2: I'm going to see an overhead view like a map.
Speaker 2: And I wondered if this was true, if she was here,
Speaker 2: and the info I was getting, this voice was in
Speaker 2: my head was saying yes, and it was kind of
Speaker 2: a male voice and very soothing. And then the vision
Speaker 2: begins to change and it moret into like a slide
Speaker 2: show of cartoon characters and my career as a cartoonist,
Speaker 2: humorist and all that. I didn't know what to make
Speaker 2: of this, but I could tell that these were the
Speaker 2: most incredible concepts I have ever seen, and I could
Speaker 2: tell somehow that they had not been invented yet, or
Speaker 2: at least I had never seen them. And the slides
Speaker 2: of these were going by so fast, and I was
Speaker 2: just so enchanted with this art that I almost lost
Speaker 2: my focus for a moment. But then I wondered what
Speaker 2: this had to do with the missing girl, and this
Speaker 2: soft male voice said just wait, and I asked again
Speaker 2: in a minute and it said just wait. So next
Speaker 2: I was seeing the faces of missing children and I think, Okay,
Speaker 2: now we're getting somewhere. But the faces began kind of changing,
Speaker 2: and I felt something wasn't right. As this was happening
Speaker 2: and the faces were distorting more, I telepathically asked, the
Speaker 2: things I have seen are true, right, and the voice
Speaker 2: said no. I was shocked, I asked, but earlier you
Speaker 2: said yes. Why are you saying no now? And all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this gray cloud came from behind the
Speaker 2: slide show, and as it flies towards me, this voice
Speaker 2: yelled because I lied, and it flew through my head.
Speaker 2: It was horrific, terrifying, as you can probably tell by
Speaker 2: just hearing this. I mean, it was brutal. It was brutal. Well,
Speaker 2: I backed out of that meditation so fast. I ended
Speaker 2: it right there. I realized I had been played by something,
Speaker 2: but I could not even process it. At least I
Speaker 2: got away from it, and that was a relief, And
Speaker 2: I mean I was just speechless, but I felt like
Speaker 2: I had gotten away, and I actually managed to fall
Speaker 2: asleep that night, and I was determined that no matter what,
Speaker 2: this wasn't going to stop me from trying to help.
Speaker 2: But I realized that probably everything I had been told
Speaker 2: over that entire three weeks had been a lie, and
Speaker 2: that was just awful, just awful. So anyway, the next morning,
Speaker 2: of course, I wake up and the first thing I
Speaker 2: remember is that experience. I thought to myself, how glad
Speaker 2: I was I got away from that thing. Suddenly, clear
Speaker 2: as can be, I heard that same male voice say nope.
Speaker 2: A wave of terror shot through me like a bolt
Speaker 2: of cold lightning. My heart was pounding. I was so
Speaker 2: terrified and confused. I couldn't even move, and I wondered
Speaker 2: what I could do, but again the voice said too light. Wow.
Speaker 2: I sat there, afraid to even think because I because
Speaker 2: it knew my thoughts. But on some level, I was
Speaker 2: wondering if I had been possessed, if I needed an exorcism.
Speaker 2: But it was the weekend and I wouldn't even know
Speaker 2: what to do, and I was truly truly paralyzed with
Speaker 2: fear like no other time in my life I could
Speaker 2: ever ever possibly remember well somehow, and I think this
Speaker 2: was helped from above. I next decided to say a prayer,
Speaker 2: and I visualized white light from above washing down through
Speaker 2: me from head to toe, removing this thing from in
Speaker 2: or around me. I didn't know where it was, and
Speaker 2: once I did that, I could think without hearing that voice,
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy to say I have never again
Speaker 2: heard anything speaking to me like that, not like that anyway.
Speaker 2: And this sort of wrecked me for a while. As
Speaker 2: you can imagine. I talked to a dear friend in
Speaker 2: California who is very psychic, very spiritual, way beyond me,
Speaker 2: and she said, the entire thing about missing children is evil,
Speaker 2: and it attracts darkness and these dark entities. It is
Speaker 2: like a sewer, and if you go there, you will
Speaker 2: encounter these dark entities. And she reminded me how nothing
Speaker 2: can possess those unless we invite it. In so I
Speaker 2: realized that when I asked the Sea of Consciousness help,
Speaker 2: that an invitation for anyone or anything to respond was
Speaker 2: exactly what I was asking for. And something did respond,
Speaker 2: and she said, you have to be specific, you know.
Speaker 2: And until then I never would have believed these things exist. Intellectually,
Speaker 2: the idea of demons or dark entities were just sort
Speaker 2: of a concept, you know, religious nonsense, but real no, no,
Speaker 2: And I think until you personally experience one, it is
Speaker 2: difficult to believe. But once you do, reality is absolutely
Speaker 2: turned on its head. There's no explaining it away by
Speaker 2: imagination or whatever. So before every meditation. Now I say
Speaker 2: a protective prayer which I read in a book by
Speaker 2: another psychic, and the prayer is this, and I encourage
Speaker 2: other people to do it. It goes like this, God
Speaker 2: and angels surround and protect me. Those who come to
Speaker 2: me do so, and love and like, and I feel
Speaker 2: totally safe and protected. This way. I have not had
Speaker 2: any more negative experiences like that, and so I feel
Speaker 2: like that is working. But I have not gone looking
Speaker 2: for missing children anymore. Obviously. I just realized it's not
Speaker 2: something I was really called to do. It's something I
Speaker 2: wanted to do, but not what I was called to.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I'll say about these meditations
Speaker 2: and psychic experiences, even sitting at the traffic light and stuff,
Speaker 2: I never stopped to wonder where was all this taking place?
Speaker 2: I mean, really, it was it in my human brain
Speaker 2: outside my physical body. Did I go through a wormhole?
Speaker 2: Did I have an out of body experience? I really
Speaker 2: had not imagine these things. I mean, they were so
Speaker 2: unique and expected that dark entity had created full color
Speaker 2: movies using a real sex offender's image and places and
Speaker 2: even art for me to see. And how did it
Speaker 2: do this? And when did it start. You know, it
Speaker 2: really made me question things and wonder for a long time,
Speaker 2: and I still don't have the answers to that, but
Speaker 2: it has not stopped me from exploring things deeper. And
Speaker 2: I've had wonderful experiences. I've gotten into mediumship, not doing
Speaker 2: it for other people necessarily, but just practicing with some
Speaker 2: other people, and have been contacted by some people who
Speaker 2: have departed, and that blows my mind as well, and
Speaker 2: the way you know that it's really happening. In Susanne Geeseman,
Speaker 2: who is one of the best evidential mediums in the country,
Speaker 2: she said that mediumship is different from a psyche reading
Speaker 2: and that in mediumship it is more dynamic. And I
Speaker 2: didn't really understand what that was until I experienced things
Speaker 2: happening like all of a sudden, three bursts of energy
Speaker 2: just blasting down on me whenever I got an affirmation
Speaker 2: about something. And then when one of the spirits in
Speaker 2: my mind's eye showed me his hands, actively showed me
Speaker 2: his hands because he wanted me to let his person
Speaker 2: know that he had been good with his hands, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't a laborer with his hands. So there was
Speaker 2: things like that that I have experienced that I have
Speaker 2: really found fascinating. And that's why I say I think
Speaker 2: that the paranormal is just as intrigue, if not more so,
Speaker 2: than the UFOs, because for me, the UFOs might be
Speaker 2: something physical, there's something that's interacting in what we call
Speaker 2: this reality, But the paranormal is, to me, it's sort
Speaker 2: of inside this reality. But then again it's it's a
Speaker 2: reality that we can't see. And that's my take on that.
Speaker 2: And with that, I think that's probably enough for today.
Speaker 3: So thank you, Nick, Thank you for that fascinating.
Speaker 2: I hope I did okay, and it's not boring for anyone.
Speaker 3: You know, you did just great. Now, when did you
Speaker 3: very very first discover that, you know, you had these
Speaker 3: type of abilities.
Speaker 2: I don't think I realized it n't til I was
Speaker 2: actually an adult. And what happened was I was at
Speaker 2: a company picnic and I was talking to some women
Speaker 2: i'd never I didn't even know, and I think that
Speaker 2: the subject of psychic came up and I said something about, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I've had some psychic experiences, and they asked me to explain,
Speaker 2: and I told them all I could see things for myself,
Speaker 2: you know, like if I was going to go to
Speaker 2: a party. No matter how much I wanted to go
Speaker 2: to the party. If I couldn't visualize myself there, I
Speaker 2: knew something was going to happen. I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be at the party. And one of the women just
Speaker 2: shocked me. She said, well, do me read for me,
Speaker 2: see what you see for me? And I just kind
Speaker 2: of laughed and I thought, what, there's no way, but
Speaker 2: she insisted, So I thought, Okay, this is embarrassing, this
Speaker 2: is crazy. But I just started staring at her and
Speaker 2: I immediately got a picture of a man that looked
Speaker 2: an awful lot like her, and I described him and
Speaker 2: she said, that's my husband, and I was really surprised.
Speaker 2: And then I saw a blue car. She said, yes,
Speaker 2: I'd drive a blue car. And then there was a
Speaker 2: couple other things, and then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: got this what they call a spiritual download. I never
Speaker 2: didn't even know what it was, but it's like you
Speaker 2: get a compressed file, spiritual file of some sort, psyche file,
Speaker 2: and when it reaches you, it just explodes in your
Speaker 2: mind and it's totally complete. So I could see the
Speaker 2: future for this woman, and I knew how she felt
Speaker 2: in this thing I was seeing and what I was
Speaker 2: supposed to tell her. So I did and she said, well,
Speaker 2: I don't have children right now, and I said, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know these things, this stuff has
Speaker 2: to have happened for a reason. So that's that's really
Speaker 2: when I first realized that I could see something for
Speaker 2: someone else. And I guess a few years before that,
Speaker 2: I had been to a psychic because I was having
Speaker 2: some concerns about something and I was curious, and the
Speaker 2: woman did toil card readings and she was really good.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was amazing. She knew stuff that wasn't
Speaker 2: even in my head. And that kind of blew my
Speaker 2: mind because I thought she was just reading me psychically.
Speaker 2: And I didn't wear any jewelry or anything. I wanted
Speaker 2: her to just you know, get whatever she got. However,
Speaker 2: and during the reading, she stopped at one point and
Speaker 2: she said, you would be good at this, and I
Speaker 2: said good at what? She gestured at the Tureau cards
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh no, no, no way, not me.
Speaker 2: So that was really how I first really really realized
Speaker 2: that what I thought was normal for me about seeing
Speaker 2: the future and stuff that and just knowing some things
Speaker 2: that this was actually some sort of a gift. It
Speaker 2: was different, you know. So that's when I learned that.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had it where the gift has been
Speaker 3: more intrusive.
Speaker 2: I haven't had anything intrusive happening, I would say no.
Speaker 2: In fact, I've had life saving experiences where all of
Speaker 2: a sudden I just knew I was supposed to slam
Speaker 2: on the brakes getting on the interstate because I was
Speaker 2: running out of room for one thing, and bam, a
Speaker 2: semi went right by me, and if I had not
Speaker 2: slammed on the brakes, I would have been killed. So
Speaker 2: there's good intrusive, you know, and there's not so good intrusive.
Speaker 3: They're the ones you need, the life saving ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So I've definitely had those.
Speaker 3: So you'd never like wake up in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night and a spirit is pestering you or anything
Speaker 3: like that. I've heard sometimes psychics they're like beacons of light.
Speaker 3: Some spirits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have heard that too. And I don't
Speaker 2: know why exactly that I have been so protected. I
Speaker 2: know that we all have a spirit guide. One of
Speaker 2: the exercises I did, I met mine, and I think
Speaker 2: mine has been protecting me pretty much. My entire life,
Speaker 2: and before I met mine, I would not have even
Speaker 2: believed it. I would have thought this was I don't
Speaker 2: know something, you know, because all of this stuff was
Speaker 2: pretty new to me starting in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: and so I've had to kind of learn a lot
Speaker 2: as I've gone along. But I haven't had anything scary,
Speaker 2: negative like that frightening that I can think of. I've
Speaker 2: my daughter and her husband had moved to upstate New
Speaker 2: York and to Cooperstown, New York, which is a very
Speaker 2: very old village. In fact, James Finnimore Cooper is buried there,
Speaker 2: so it has a graveyard with an awful lot of
Speaker 2: very very old tombstones there. And they were renting this
Speaker 2: apartment which was a theater that had been converted into apartments.
Speaker 2: So there was this grand staircase that led up to
Speaker 2: the second floor to their apartment on the right hand side,
Speaker 2: and they had some steps that went up to an
Speaker 2: attic area that they didn't even really use. And one night,
Speaker 2: my daughter woke up during the night and she happened
Speaker 2: to look to the left and she saw a man
Speaker 2: in very old timey clothing going up the steps to
Speaker 2: their attic and she said, Mom, I knew it was
Speaker 2: a ghost, but I wasn't scared. I could see through him.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting. And so the next
Speaker 2: morning when her husband wakes up, she says, you won't
Speaker 2: believe what I saw last night. And she starts to
Speaker 2: tell him about this man, and her husband says, wait,
Speaker 2: let me tell you what he looked like. And he
Speaker 2: described the guy and she said, how did you know that?
Speaker 2: And he said, well, I saw him two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: But they weren't scared at all. And they had friends
Speaker 2: who owned a whose parents owned a bred and breakfast there,
Speaker 2: and the friends had to go out to the store
Speaker 2: and they were expecting company at any moment to arrive,
Speaker 2: but they had to go to the store. So the
Speaker 2: company arrives, a lady answers the door, lets him in
Speaker 2: and says, you know, they'll be back soon. They just
Speaker 2: went to the store. Here, make yourself comfortable in the
Speaker 2: living room there. So they're in there waiting and the
Speaker 2: friends arrived back at the house and they're shocked to
Speaker 2: see their friends there and they said, how did you
Speaker 2: get in the house And they said, well, your maid
Speaker 2: let us in, and they said we don't have a maid,
Speaker 2: and they asked what the woman looked like, and so
Speaker 2: the people described the lady who was solid as flesh
Speaker 2: and blood could be. And the owner said, well, that's
Speaker 2: the lady that used to own this bed and breakfast
Speaker 2: who died. So people can have positive and negative experiences
Speaker 2: like this. I thought those were pretty interesting to me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, the missing teine that you looked online with
Speaker 3: the missing posters, So yes, did you ever follow that through?
Speaker 3: I mean, you had all these images and this thing
Speaker 3: said it lied to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it turns out about a few days later,
Speaker 2: after I had been horrified by this thing, I checked
Speaker 2: to see what the status was on her, and she
Speaker 2: had been found. She was fine, she had been off
Speaker 2: with her boyfriend, and that just really really. I was
Speaker 2: glad that she was found, of course, but I was
Speaker 2: really pissed off at that entity for stringing me along
Speaker 2: for three weeks of my life when I was trying
Speaker 2: to do something good. So anyway, yes, she was found
Speaker 2: and she was okay, And I meant to mention that
Speaker 2: that she was found, Yes, thank you for asking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is always good. So it would seem that
Speaker 3: whatever did this basically wanting to get into your head
Speaker 3: and send you on a wild goose chase pretty much
Speaker 3: waste your time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and it has all the time in the world.
Speaker 2: You know, this was just a lark for it, probably,
Speaker 2: you know, one of many that it has done to
Speaker 2: different people. Who knows. Some people believe that those are
Speaker 2: just oh, spirits that have passed on that just want
Speaker 2: to have fun, that are kind of hon re or prankish.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, you know, After that, I wondered
Speaker 2: about religion and God and all kinds of things, and
Speaker 2: I thought, if there's an all powerful God, why did
Speaker 2: those things exist, if they really are doc entities. So
Speaker 2: that sent me on a quest to try to ponder
Speaker 2: my navel over that for a while. I tell you,
Speaker 2: but we don't know. We just don't know.
Speaker 3: There are things out there that which are there to
Speaker 3: deceive us. I must have made when you started saying
Speaker 3: about that. I did do a little google to see
Speaker 3: if pick up the case, and there was a very
Speaker 3: similar case which happened pretty much down to the tea.
Speaker 3: But this was in Livingston in twenty twenty four, a
Speaker 3: missing girl which got found in the river.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's so sad. There's so many things like that.
Speaker 2: I just hate it. I don't understand it. I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about anyone else's experience. I just I am
Speaker 2: an introvert and I kind of stay in my little
Speaker 2: house and I read a lot, and of course I've
Speaker 2: been interested in the paranormal stuff, but not like ghosts
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I mean, I never would have
Speaker 2: gone into anything dark if I had been forewarned, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. And I didn't even know I was going
Speaker 2: into anything dark. But I do know from my near
Speaker 2: death experience that helped me to kind of remember being
Speaker 2: on the other side and how there's just not this.
Speaker 2: It just things just aren't viewed the same way. And
Speaker 2: I find that so hard to bleep. But of course
Speaker 2: this is my human brain saying, oh, I find it
Speaker 2: so hard to believe. You know that on a much
Speaker 2: much higher level, it's just different. And of course, if
Speaker 2: we're nothing more than frequency, vibration and energy, then nothing's
Speaker 2: really happening to us anyway. We're sort of imagining all
Speaker 2: this stuff. And again that's the human brain reacting, going,
Speaker 2: oh but it's happening. I mean, I feel pain, you know,
Speaker 2: So all I can think is it's just designed to
Speaker 2: be this way and someday we will have the answers,
Speaker 2: but we don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the answers are on the other side, aren't they.
Speaker 3: It's like when, because I do have a lot of
Speaker 3: near death experiences on this show, when people do cross over,
Speaker 3: even just for a very short period, there seems to
Speaker 3: be like a blood that's connected, and then on return
Speaker 3: that connect continues.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say that since my experience I have gotten,
Speaker 2: especially in meditations, I have gotten more and more awareness
Speaker 2: about all of it and how I feel. I've gotten
Speaker 2: an understanding about why some things are the way they are.
Speaker 2: But I consider all of that pretty much personal to
Speaker 2: me and what I need to know for my own
Speaker 2: spiritual growth. I have always said that, you know, you
Speaker 2: can go to twenty different psyches and they will give
Speaker 2: you twenty different reasons about the explanations about the afterlife
Speaker 2: and what you can expect, But nobody really knows, And
Speaker 2: if anybody claims to know, I think all they're doing
Speaker 2: is speaking from their own personal experience or whatever. And
Speaker 2: I know one author who I will not even name,
Speaker 2: I know he did a study on people's experiences before
Speaker 2: they were born and stuff, and it did not resonate
Speaker 2: with me. That's all I can say. It just did
Speaker 2: not at all. But I do believe I have lived
Speaker 2: before as an Indian and one of my meditations I
Speaker 2: connected with that on such a deep level that I
Speaker 2: was crying. It was very emotional, and there's no doubt
Speaker 2: that I was recalling that, and it was very healing
Speaker 2: for me because in that life my father loved me
Speaker 2: very much, whereas in this life I was not. So
Speaker 2: that was like a very healing opportunity to remember having
Speaker 2: been profoundly loved so so that was wonderful.
Speaker 3: Do you have any advice for anyone which you have
Speaker 3: these feelings? I mean, you have claar sentience. Come on,
Speaker 3: you must have considered going to Vegas.
Speaker 2: Had no not at all. In fact, I believe that
Speaker 2: if you use your gifts for personal gain, that very
Speaker 2: bad things can happen, or that you will lose them
Speaker 2: or something, maybe not very quickly but over time, or
Speaker 2: maybe on the other side you will regret having done that.
Speaker 2: I do think that some people help other people, and
Speaker 2: that's wonderful. That mean, that's what I wanted to do
Speaker 2: with the missing children, and I would not have wanted
Speaker 2: money for that, so But as far as advice, I
Speaker 2: really think that, well, they say everyone can do this.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody has these abilities and we just need
Speaker 2: to open ourselves up to them. But my advice would
Speaker 2: be to just be aware that there are dark things
Speaker 2: somewhere there and to do say, just visualize a white
Speaker 2: light protecting you, because darkness cannot stand the light, and
Speaker 2: that's one universal truth I will buy into. But to
Speaker 2: explore open yourself up. Like when I was at that
Speaker 2: traffic light. Years later, I wondered if I had had
Speaker 2: the radio on and I wasn't really paying attention, would
Speaker 2: that have made a difference, Because we distract all kinds
Speaker 2: of stuff and we don't just still just listen. So
Speaker 2: I advise people to be receptive. And I have read
Speaker 2: that the reason a lot of these after death contacts
Speaker 2: happen when people are asleep is because that's when our
Speaker 2: brains are the quietest, you know, and that's when spirit
Speaker 2: can get through to us. So the more you can
Speaker 2: do that and you're waking hours and meditate and raise
Speaker 2: your vibration higher and higher, then you can experience these
Speaker 2: things and can it can be just fascinating and helpful too.
Speaker 2: But that would be my advice would just be to
Speaker 2: know what to look for and to visualize yourself protected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's all about. All the about balance,
Speaker 3: because you know there are things out there which, certainly,
Speaker 3: as your account suggests, I want to interact with us,
Speaker 3: but also deceive us.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that sucks. I don't like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sing doesn't help. And as for Vegas, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not a gambling man. I think if someone
Speaker 3: has this gift and to completely use it for good,
Speaker 3: you know, not selfish. And if they did, you know,
Speaker 3: donate the money and give it all the way to charity,
Speaker 3: that possibly might be might be different. But yeah, but
Speaker 3: I'm not a gambling man. And my wife moans and
Speaker 3: me because I barely will spend a dollar on the lottery.
Speaker 6: Wonderful.
Speaker 3: Okay. Nineteen eighty nine, you saw this light, Beverly. You
Speaker 3: wanted to get a better look, and it came to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it came to me. I mean it had already
Speaker 2: gone way down the highway, and it had even disappeared
Speaker 2: behind trees and towards a field, and it was gone,
Speaker 2: but I wanted to see it. I was frustrated, and man,
Speaker 2: the next thing I knew there was barreling towards us
Speaker 2: when we were going seventy miles an hour, really really
Speaker 2: fast down that highway, and it caught up with us
Speaker 2: in a flash and stopped. And it didn't stop on
Speaker 2: the driver's side of the window. It stopped on my
Speaker 2: side of the window. So I really wonder if was
Speaker 2: non human intelligence, biological entities, And they responded to my
Speaker 2: thought that I wanted to see more, and boy, they
Speaker 2: were going to show me more. Who knows. But then
Speaker 2: I don't know why it disappeared when I was grabbing
Speaker 2: for the camera. I wondered if it could have seen
Speaker 2: through the riff of the car or what. But again,
Speaker 2: maybe it read my mind and it just decided we're
Speaker 2: out of here now she saw you know. That's it.
Speaker 2: I really don't know either way.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 3: have drones. We had nothing like that. You can certainly
Speaker 3: discount helicopters or or anything like that. Really, whatever, it
Speaker 3: was definitely knew you were there and wanted to make
Speaker 3: some kind of connection. Even though it was briefed pretty
Speaker 3: sure it didn't want to be on camera, but it
Speaker 3: was just happy enough to show you and interact with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could have been to government guys from
Speaker 2: you know, the miller Harry that decided, hey, let's go
Speaker 2: back to that car and let's go play a prank
Speaker 2: on those people. Who knows. But I felt like, and
Speaker 2: this is the psychic in me, I felt like there
Speaker 2: was something living inside that craft. For sure. When I
Speaker 2: thought about it later, I thought that was probably really
Speaker 2: stupid to look up at that light. No telling what
Speaker 2: could have happened. It could have burned my eyeballs, It
Speaker 2: could have burned my face. There could have been radiation.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. But it was just just something
Speaker 2: that happened. And I don't guess I was even really thinking.
Speaker 2: But later I was glad that we had not been abducted, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, that's always a good thing. But the way
Speaker 3: it is a great interaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was certainly something I'll never forget. It
Speaker 2: was very exciting, very exciting to be that close to something,
Speaker 2: no matter what it was. It was very unique. But
Speaker 2: you know, those things are there and they're just I
Speaker 2: don't know, there are a lot of places. That's what's
Speaker 2: amazing to me, because for someone like me to have
Speaker 2: had four experiences in my lifetime. That tells me that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of those out there and a lot
Speaker 2: more people will see them. And of course lately in
Speaker 2: the news, we're seeing all of these supposedly drones and
Speaker 2: orbs and stuff, and there's talks like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: the Chinese, this is this, this is that, and it's
Speaker 2: a false flag that the government's doing this, but nobody
Speaker 2: will say. Nobody will say what it really is. So
Speaker 2: who knows.
Speaker 3: Everything is just muddy in the waters at the minute.
Speaker 3: It's very difficult to tell, but something's going on.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad our paths crossed. And we did have
Speaker 3: a little bit of technical issues at the very beginning,
Speaker 3: but you know, that's just technology for you.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. Yeah, I appreciate you asking me to
Speaker 2: be a guest on your show. You do amazing podcasts,
Speaker 2: so I'm honored.
Speaker 3: You are more than welcoming. This is what I sawt about.
Speaker 3: It's like a digital campfire. We just get people don't
Speaker 3: want to come and share a lot of situations that
Speaker 3: these accounts have never been shared before. So it's always
Speaker 3: good to get accounts from from decades ago because we
Speaker 3: don't want to lose them, you know, we want to
Speaker 3: keep these stories still being heard.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, And I think that's my experience, especially in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight. This was before we had a lot
Speaker 2: of reports of UFOs and stuff, and I think it
Speaker 2: was probably less likely that it was government having reverse
Speaker 2: engineered what I saw in the sky. So that made
Speaker 2: it especially exciting for me because there was no doubt
Speaker 2: that this had to be something from somewhere else, and
Speaker 2: it was really a rare treat, that's for sure, Beverly.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for
Speaker 3: our listeners.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: It has been wonderful to meet you. Okay, please keep
Speaker 3: in contact Beverly right, and we will speak soon and
Speaker 3: enjoy the rest of.
Speaker 2: The evening you too. Thank you care for now, bye
Speaker 2: bye bye.
Speaker 6: Well that's all for tonight. Keep updated and connected with
Speaker 6: the show on x, Facebook and Instagram. And if you
Speaker 6: have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
Speaker 6: you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
Speaker 6: or you can reach out to me via the contact
Speaker 6: page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A
Speaker 6: big thank you to Beverly for sharing tonight and thank
Speaker 6: you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Speaker 6: Till then, stay safe, we keep watching Uskies. Goodbye,