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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to report a UFO hanging in We

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to report every thirty one. Do you wish

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<v Speaker 2>to report a.

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<v Speaker 3>UFO over hey, we want to one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 3>of it? I wouldn't know what kind of reports cloud

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<v Speaker 3>times areas thirty one me neither there s one golf.

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<v Speaker 1>If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>OFFI the UFO.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed

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<v Speaker 1>over God. I don't know what it was, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>from at least to three thousand feet above us.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I passed right over the top of us. Ninety

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<v Speaker 3>one one.

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<v Speaker 4>You just called both to be be four.

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<v Speaker 2>They're after staying the airplanes.

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<v Speaker 4>He is.

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<v Speaker 1>To God on an unidentified object, every liberty or call

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<v Speaker 1>or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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<v Speaker 4>experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to be on the show. You can

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<v Speaker 4>email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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<v Speaker 3>all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the

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<v Speaker 3>UFO Chronicles podcast. For tonight's guest, we touched down in

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<v Speaker 3>a state of Texas to meet and Beverly will be

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<v Speaker 3>sharing some of her experiences with us, including close up

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<v Speaker 3>UFO encounters, a near diff experience at age four, a

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<v Speaker 3>life change in paranormal experience at eighteen whilst sitting at

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<v Speaker 3>a red light after death, visits from her grandparents over

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of nights in a row, and discovering she

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<v Speaker 3>had the ability to connect with those that are no

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<v Speaker 3>longer here. Beverly is up next.

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<v Speaker 6>Now on with the show. Hello, Beverly, Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>It is wonderful to have you with us tonight, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're calling from the state of Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am Austin. Well, actually Georgetown is north of Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>Georgetown great stuff and right on the river.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it is. It's beautiful, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Now, Beverly, you have several experiences to share with us,

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<v Speaker 3>spanning several decades. Would you like start a beginning please.

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<v Speaker 2>Ma'am sure. I think I'll start with the UFO experiences

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<v Speaker 2>that I have had. My first UFO experience happened in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight when I was sixteen. My parents had

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<v Speaker 2>a ski boat and liked to camp at Keystone Lake,

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<v Speaker 2>which is about twenty three miles upstream from the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Tulsa, Oklahoma. And in nineteen sixty eight, being that

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<v Speaker 2>far from the city, there was no light pollution, so

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<v Speaker 2>you could see millions of stars. It was just wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>So on this night, around nine thirty or so, I

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<v Speaker 2>went down to the edge of the lake and laid

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<v Speaker 2>down in the grass, just looking up at the stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Two friends soon joined me, and we just laid there

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<v Speaker 2>talking looking up at the stars. And there were different

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<v Speaker 2>sizes of stars, of course, and I noticed a few

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<v Speaker 2>were larger than some others. So suddenly one of the

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<v Speaker 2>larger stars moved to our left. Really fast. It did

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<v Speaker 2>three zigzags, and then zoomed off to the left, just

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly fast, disappearing in an instant. Well, all three of

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<v Speaker 2>us just sat up and we're really excited. We couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe what we'd seen. We knew it was not a

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<v Speaker 2>plane or anything like that, because it was up way

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<v Speaker 2>too high and a plane couldn't possibly change direction like

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<v Speaker 2>that or disappear in a flash. So after about ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>we noticed another star moving in a path perpendicular to

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<v Speaker 2>the first one's path, and it stopped and did three zigzags,

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<v Speaker 2>stopped again, then it shot off to the right, which

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<v Speaker 2>was the opposite direction the other one had gone, and

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<v Speaker 2>it too disappeared in a flash. Well, we were just

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<v Speaker 2>so giddy. We could not believe that we'd seen two,

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<v Speaker 2>much less even one, in the same night, and we

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<v Speaker 2>wondered where they were going and how many more were

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<v Speaker 2>up there, and it was just really exciting. And you

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<v Speaker 2>have to keep in mind this was before Internet and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. I had never even heard about UFOs

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<v Speaker 2>like Roswell or anything. In fact, we were still calling

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<v Speaker 2>them flying saucers back then. All I'd ever seen was

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<v Speaker 2>scary science fiction movies and comic books about aliens. So

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<v Speaker 2>I told my parents about it immediately, but they refused

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<v Speaker 2>to believe me. My father even accused me of lying.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was a physicist who did top secret work

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<v Speaker 2>for the government, but first and foremost, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>Bible belief moving fundamentals Christian, and you know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>just no way he could allow himself to believe anything

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<v Speaker 2>that challenged the creation story, so I did not get

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<v Speaker 2>any support from them. My second UFO experience took place

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight, and it was around nine forty

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<v Speaker 2>five at night. A friend and I were driving back

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<v Speaker 2>from visiting some friends way north of Boston. My friend

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<v Speaker 2>her ride. The speed limit was around sixty five or

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<v Speaker 2>seventy miles per hour. There was nothing but fields and

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<v Speaker 2>darkness for about as far as you could see in

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<v Speaker 2>every direction, and there didn't seem to be any other

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<v Speaker 2>cars on the highway. There was certainly nobody behind us

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<v Speaker 2>or in front of us. And so in the distance

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed we would be approaching an underpass, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is where a side road crosses over the highway and

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<v Speaker 2>you go underneath there, and there were some big lights.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of lights around that area, and maybe a gas station,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was really a well lighted area. And what

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<v Speaker 2>caught my eye I noticed, coming towards the area diagonally

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<v Speaker 2>and moving very slow, was a light and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it must be a helicopter, but I'd never seen one

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<v Speaker 2>travel that slow. I also noticed there were no lights

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere around it or with it, no tail light, nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>This immediately intrigued me. All I could make out was

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very bright light which prevented me from

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<v Speaker 2>seeing any shape, and it was not a search spotlight

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<v Speaker 2>aimed at the ground or anything. It was as if

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<v Speaker 2>the light was on the bottom of whatever this was.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we started to pass under it, I rolled

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<v Speaker 2>down my window and I could hear I could not

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<v Speaker 2>hear any sound or vibration at all. It was completely silent.

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<v Speaker 2>As it passed overhead, I turned and watched it as

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<v Speaker 2>we drove on down the highway, and it slowly flew

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<v Speaker 2>further away, going down the highway behind us, and I

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<v Speaker 2>noticed it turned to the left and disappeared behind some trees,

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<v Speaker 2>And as I turned back around in my seat, I

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<v Speaker 2>said to my friend, well, darn, I wish I would

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<v Speaker 2>have loved to have gotten a better look at that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend said, well, you're gonna get your chance, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming back. And I turned around and quickly saw

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<v Speaker 2>the light was coming towards us really fast, and by

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<v Speaker 2>the time I turned around quickly in my seat, it

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<v Speaker 2>was already even with the car and was hovering just

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<v Speaker 2>above my passenger window by my shoulder. It might have

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<v Speaker 2>been maybe six to ten feet above the car. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't know. I rolled down my window and there

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<v Speaker 2>was no sound, no vibration. I even looked out the

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<v Speaker 2>window up at it, but it was just a blinding

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<v Speaker 2>white light. And I suddenly remembered I had a new

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<v Speaker 2>small digital camera on the console to my left, so

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<v Speaker 2>in one swift motion, I grabbed it. I brought it

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<v Speaker 2>immediately to my right hand turned to snap the picture

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<v Speaker 2>in automatic mode, but the thing was gone. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe it. In the span of just one point five

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<v Speaker 2>seconds that it took me to grab the camera and turn,

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<v Speaker 2>it had disappeared. Wow. We pulled over and looked in

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<v Speaker 2>every direction, but it had absolutely vanished. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at the clock to make sure we had no

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<v Speaker 2>missing time, you know, to confirm that we had not

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<v Speaker 2>been abducted or anything, and we weren't, which is probably

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing, you know. And years later, when I

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<v Speaker 2>heard doctor Greer say that by using mental telepathy he

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<v Speaker 2>could contact these things, I then wondered, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>my having wished to get a better look, had somehow

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<v Speaker 2>been picked up by this thing or its occupants, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it said okay, here we come. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing with the camera. You know, if it knew

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<v Speaker 2>that I was going to grab the camera. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just my speculation way after the effect, but I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've really wondered about that. And if it

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<v Speaker 2>was government, our government that engineered you know, reverse engineered stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>or if it was intelligent beings from somewhere else that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe have found a way around our law of physics

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<v Speaker 2>or come through a wormhole or gosh, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>people think they might be interdimensional beings. Who knows. I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you my father later decided that anything that

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<v Speaker 2>was in the sky was demonic because the Bible says so,

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<v Speaker 2>so there go there. I can honestly say I did

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<v Speaker 2>not agree with that, But so I had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>other experiences, but they're not as significant as that I

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<v Speaker 2>did see another light coming across the highway one evening,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just like the other one. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a slow moving light, and I watched it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>pulled over to the side of the road and I listened,

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<v Speaker 2>and again there was no sound, and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>other lights, and it just very very slowly, just meandered

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<v Speaker 2>on its way off into the distance. So what I

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<v Speaker 2>gleaned from this is there seems to be these things everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in enough places that someone like me has

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<v Speaker 2>seen them three times now or four actually, So I

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<v Speaker 2>think people can just go out and look and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they will see something. Who knows. The next experience I

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<v Speaker 2>had was not a UFO experience, but I had a

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<v Speaker 2>near death experience when I was four years old. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was a situation where I had accidentally suffered vacated,

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<v Speaker 2>and I floated up through the roof of the house,

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<v Speaker 2>higher and higher to where I was in the cosmos,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess should say. And the next thing I knew

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<v Speaker 2>there was a tunnel of square tubes of light, and

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<v Speaker 2>I found myself flying through this tunnel, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a curved tunnel that sort of arcd out and away

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<v Speaker 2>and then back around, and there were spaces between each

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<v Speaker 2>of these square tubes of light, so I could see

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<v Speaker 2>through it, and I knew that I was not four

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<v Speaker 2>years old anymore. That awareness just came to me. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know if I had a body anymore or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but off in the distance, I could see a ginormous,

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<v Speaker 2>enormous light. I mean, it was just massive, and it

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<v Speaker 2>spanned all the way across and behind me somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>I instantly knew I was returning to a point of origin.

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<v Speaker 2>And that phrase a point of origin is the exact

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<v Speaker 2>thought that entered my mind, which kind of strikes me

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<v Speaker 2>as weird right now, but that's that's what happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>again I was no longer four. I felt ageless, and

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<v Speaker 2>I could see in the light as I was growing

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<v Speaker 2>nearer but still really pretty far away, that the light

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<v Speaker 2>consisted of spirits in a place, all combined, and they

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<v Speaker 2>whitish yellow color. And as I grew closer but was

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<v Speaker 2>still so far away, I telepathically just gestured to the light.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not finished here yet. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 2>back towards Earth because I couldn't believe that I had

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<v Speaker 2>left there. And with that, the light and the tunnel

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<v Speaker 2>went away, and I was now floating in the stars,

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<v Speaker 2>very peacefully, and it was just an amazing experience, and

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<v Speaker 2>I obviously returned. But what is most incredible about this

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<v Speaker 2>is the fact that I wanted to return it all,

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<v Speaker 2>even if I had anything else to do here, because

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<v Speaker 2>I had a really ghastly home life. I was unloved

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<v Speaker 2>and wanted abused, So you might wonder, why would any

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<v Speaker 2>kid want to return to that? Well in the tunnel,

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<v Speaker 2>I was ageless, and this puzzled me for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I grew up, I just kind of forgot

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<v Speaker 2>about everything, and it wasn't until I was around thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight that it jumped out at me and I remembered it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I recalled that when I was in the tunnel

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to return, I had no thoughts about my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse, anything. There was no fear, no judgment, just

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<v Speaker 2>in knowing that I I was not finished here yet,

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<v Speaker 2>and I came to understand for myself anyway, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>speak for other people that whatever happens in this thing

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<v Speaker 2>we call life, it is simply not viewed the same

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<v Speaker 2>outside of this life. You know, we assign values and

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<v Speaker 2>judgments to things, but that is just not how it

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<v Speaker 2>felt outside of this reality for me anyway. And one

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<v Speaker 2>other thing is that others have said that this world,

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<v Speaker 2>this earth, does not seem real, and that's exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>I felt too, you know, that Earth was not real,

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<v Speaker 2>that I was returning to something that just wasn't real.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost like a oh, I don't know a

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<v Speaker 2>game or a place, but it's very hard to describe

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<v Speaker 2>because I guess you just have to be there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so anyway, I felt like I got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>out of that, and over time it helped to me

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<v Speaker 2>kind of understand my relationship with my parents on a

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<v Speaker 2>different level. I went from just hating them to actually

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<v Speaker 2>developing a sense of compassion. After all, they were once

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<v Speaker 2>little children and something happened to them and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>handle it very well, and so they were not quite

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<v Speaker 2>as good as they could have been, I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>could say. And so I have a sense of compassion

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<v Speaker 2>about that now and that feels very good. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I've come a long way spiritually for that. So

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<v Speaker 2>the next thing I would love to share or about

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<v Speaker 2>some paranormal experiences I've had. Not that that one wasn't one,

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<v Speaker 2>but these certainly are. I have been psychic from an

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<v Speaker 2>early age, and I understand that some people who've had

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<v Speaker 2>near death experiences do become psychic. And I would always

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<v Speaker 2>just know something was going to happen, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>never any thing a big deal. I never did any

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<v Speaker 2>readings for anyone or anything like that. But what really

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<v Speaker 2>was a life changing experience for me was when I

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen years old. This was in nineteen seventy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was living in Stowater, Oklahoma, and I was driving

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<v Speaker 2>a little MGB sports car and the windows were rolled up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was coming from a side street and I

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<v Speaker 2>approached a four lane road that was leading out of

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<v Speaker 2>Stowater heading north and south, and the side road was

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<v Speaker 2>there was field and stuff fields to the left and

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<v Speaker 2>the right, and it was very dark. Only the roads

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<v Speaker 2>were lit where the four lane road was and the

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<v Speaker 2>traffic light was red, and there was nobody around. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was a very flat area. There were no houses

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<v Speaker 2>or anything because I was pretty much at the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of town, so I could see left and right in

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<v Speaker 2>both directions, and in fact, on the left looking to

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<v Speaker 2>the left. It did have a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny bit of a hill, but that was way way

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<v Speaker 2>way far away too. So I'm sitting at the light,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I was driving this car, I really liked

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<v Speaker 2>to just take off when the light would change, and

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<v Speaker 2>being a standard trench mission, you had to shift gears.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was waiting for the light to change, and

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<v Speaker 2>so all of a sudden, I saw it changed to green,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I let up on the clutch and pressed

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<v Speaker 2>down on the gas and I just took off and

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<v Speaker 2>I was crossing the first lane, and then as I

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<v Speaker 2>was shifting in gears to the second lane, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, some light was coming from my left, and

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<v Speaker 2>I turned and I looked, and the light was just

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly right there at the glass at my window. But

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<v Speaker 2>a funny thing happened. All of a sudden, everything just froze.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as if time suddenly stopped, and I was just

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<v Speaker 2>all I could see was this bright white light right

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<v Speaker 2>at my window, and the thought of death came over me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kept blinking, trying to focus and figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on. Then everything went black, completely black,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was trying to see what was in this blackness,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kept blinking, and then I realized I was

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a field and a fence and grass, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was still very dark, and then finally a curb, and

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<v Speaker 2>I realized I was looking out my window to the

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<v Speaker 2>left and to the side of the road, and I

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<v Speaker 2>immediately realized I was still in my car. So I

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<v Speaker 2>turned my head and I looked back straight ahead. The

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<v Speaker 2>light was still red, and I was still where I

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<v Speaker 2>had been at the traffic light, and I was just stunned,

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<v Speaker 2>and I even set out loud, I'm going to see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. So I weighed so Normally, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>the light was going to change, I would go, but

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<v Speaker 2>I decided, I'm just going to wait. I'm going to see.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to mentally pace myself. And so when the

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<v Speaker 2>light changed to green, there was still nothing anywhere in

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<v Speaker 2>any direction. I was the only car at this entire

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<v Speaker 2>intersection anywhere, and so I mentally paced myself. I imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>I pressed on the clutch and then the gas, and okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now I was approaching the first lane, and now I

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<v Speaker 2>was starting to shift and I was into the second

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<v Speaker 2>lane when all of a sudden, from the left, easily

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<v Speaker 2>easily over was an hour or more a car flew

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<v Speaker 2>through that light and was gone out of town. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like a blur. It could have been a UFO

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<v Speaker 2>that went through there. It was so fast, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just sat there and I wondered to myself, who or

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<v Speaker 2>what was that? Because that was such an amazing experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It saved my life, and it told me that there

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<v Speaker 2>was something operating in this world that we cannot see

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't know what it is, and that really

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<v Speaker 2>set me and the course of wanting to explore what

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<v Speaker 2>it might be. I certainly wasn't religious, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think it could be anything like that, but I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that there was just something for sure. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have any other amazing experiences until twenty fourteen, which

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<v Speaker 2>is quite a bit later, but I was raising a

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<v Speaker 2>family and stuff, and so in twenty fourteen, my grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>had died about two weeks before, and my grandfather had

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<v Speaker 2>died seventeen years before, and I'd always wanted an after

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<v Speaker 2>death visit from my grandfather, but I never got one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was really hoping that after my grandmother, who

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<v Speaker 2>I was very close to, had died, that I would

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<v Speaker 2>hear from her. So it was about two weeks later,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was lying in bed that night, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of sad that, you know, I wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to get in after death experience with her, and so

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, a few minutes later, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it was, I started having this sensation in my chest.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like my chest was expanding, and it kept

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<v Speaker 2>happening and increasing to where it was almost getting uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>And right about the time that it was really starting

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<v Speaker 2>to be uncomfortable, I became aware that my grandparents were there,

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<v Speaker 2>and where there was in the room was I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like they were inside my chest. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to explain this, but I closed my eyes, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I felt like I was wherever they were,

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<v Speaker 2>but I felt like I was still lying in bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and my grandparents were there. I could see their faces

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<v Speaker 2>and they were leaning over towards me, and their faces

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<v Speaker 2>were so much younger than they had been at the

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<v Speaker 2>time they died, and they were both so happy, just

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<v Speaker 2>beaming and really really happy. And I was just amazed.

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<v Speaker 2>But I realized that this was my after death contact

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<v Speaker 2>with them. I was very excited, but then I suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>felt kind of guilty because I felt like I owed

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<v Speaker 2>my grandmother an apology because I had not visited her

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<v Speaker 2>the last year of her life for various reasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I apologized to her, but I could no sooner

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<v Speaker 2>finish the sentence than she was patting my arm, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, no, no, don't even worry about that, don't

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<v Speaker 2>worry about that. And the next thing I remember saying

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<v Speaker 2>to her was, well, I guess I will see you

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<v Speaker 2>before too long, and she just laughed and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, no, not for a long time. And years

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<v Speaker 2>later I wondered what she meant by a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>What is her definition of a long time? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>So that was kind of funny. But the next night

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<v Speaker 2>I was really surprised that they came again. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember anything we talked about or what I asked them,

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<v Speaker 2>but I knew that next morning when I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>that they had come, and I was really upset that

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't asked them where they were and what they

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<v Speaker 2>had been doing all this time. So I thought, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe some other time. And it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, whenever I had gotten into meditation and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>that I was suddenly surprised my grandparents appeared in this meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like a lucid dream the way

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<v Speaker 2>it happened. Just all of a sudden, there they were

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<v Speaker 2>to my right, and I was really excited, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remembered that I'd wanted to ask them where they were

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<v Speaker 2>and what they'd been doing all this time. So I

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<v Speaker 2>turned to my grandmother and I asked her, and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but you're not supposed to remember. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>she was right. I just knew on a deep, deep level,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was absolutely right. We'd come here with our

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<v Speaker 2>memories erased for whatever reason, and I think that enables

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<v Speaker 2>us to do whatever we're supposed to do here. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was That was a fun experience, And in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen I decided to explore my psychic abilities a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit further. I bought a book and I did exercises,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was really shocked to discover that I was

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<v Speaker 2>Claire sentient, which means that for me, that I could

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<v Speaker 2>feel temperature differences in things such as a deck of

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<v Speaker 2>playing cards that have red and black on the front,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for the characters, the diamonds, the clubs and

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<v Speaker 2>all that. And this was much much higher than chance

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<v Speaker 2>which just amazed me. I thought, Oh my god, have

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<v Speaker 2>I had this ability all this time? This was an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible and I switched to this playing cards called Uno,

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<v Speaker 2>which were red, yellow, blue, and green, and again I

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<v Speaker 2>was stunned that I could tell the temperature differences and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these colors, and I wondered, did I have

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<v Speaker 2>this talent all along? And I felt bad that I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't been using it for the greater good or something,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. So I decided to add meditations to

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people would think I was crazy if I

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<v Speaker 2>even shared those, but I mean when I went through

423
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<v Speaker 2>something took my arm and took me through a wormhole

424
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<v Speaker 2>and I saw things. I saw different universes and things,

425
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<v Speaker 2>and I just could not believe all this was happening

426
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<v Speaker 2>to me. It was mind blowing. And a friend of

427
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<v Speaker 2>mine said, you know, I've been meditating for years and

428
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<v Speaker 2>I've never had any experiences like I said, Well, I

429
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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why this is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>The x x X. So anyway, I just kept doing

442
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 2>some meditations and one of the reasons that I wanted

443
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to use my psychic abilities was I wanted to help

444
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>missing children, to help find them, because I just hate

445
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>hearing on the news how a child has gone missing

446
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and the parents are just devastated. And I thought this

447
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>would be such a wonderful and such a noble thing

448
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>to do if I were able to do it. So

449
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.119
<v Speaker 2>what I'm going to describe happened over the next three

450
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>week period. I did my first meditation and I asked

451
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>the creative consciousness to help me, you know, to find

452
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 2>these missing children. So what I did was I looked

453
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 2>on the missing Children's website and I picked a missing

454
00:29:55.160 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 2>teenage girl and I did my first meditation, and immediately

455
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I saw a scene that was of a small cabin

456
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>with no doors on it. It was really run down,

457
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>it was like a shack. But this was like full color,

458
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>almost like a movie. And I could see in complete

459
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 2>detail this man, his clothes, his hair, his eye color,

460
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and I knew the city. It was north of Austin,

461
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was aware that there was a girl on

462
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the bed and she was dead off to the right,

463
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and I could even tell that he was wondering how

464
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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of the body. And that's all I

465
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>got in that first meditation. But it just, I mean,

466
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>this really blew my mind. I couldn't even believe that

467
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I had seen something like this, and of course there

468
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 2>was no way to prove any of this. I thought,

469
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>am I making this up? What is going on? And

470
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>then it occurred to me that I could look up

471
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>registered sex offenders in that city. So I got online

472
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and I went to the site and I was scrolling

473
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.839
<v Speaker 2>down and about the seventh person down, my heart just stopped.

474
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>This was the man that I had seen in the vision.

475
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was just flabbergasted. I thought, okay, how is

476
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that even possible? I mean, I couldn't understand it, but

477
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, okay, you know, maybe the universe wants

478
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.880
<v Speaker 2>me to do this. So I pursued it. I did

479
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>more meditations, and I kept trying to get more information.

480
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:39.200
<v Speaker 3>And.

481
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I got information that her body had been thrown in

482
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 2>a river. And I didn't even know a river had

483
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>run through that city, and it did. And I was

484
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 2>getting so much stuff, and all this time a voice

485
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.079
<v Speaker 2>in my head kept assuring me this was all true.

486
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>And so after about two weeks and many meditations, I thought, well,

487
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do, but I typed it

488
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 2>all up and I humbly took it to the Center

489
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>for Missing Kids in Austin, and they were very polite

490
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and thanked me, and I'm sure they probably thought I

491
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 2>was just one more lunatic and as I walked out

492
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 2>of there, but I felt like I had to do something.

493
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't just sit on this. After all of this

494
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>girl was missing, I wanted her to come home, and

495
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:34.119
<v Speaker 2>so the next I guess that night, I did another meditation.

496
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to know where her body was exactly. Well,

497
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the vision began quickly like a view from above, like

498
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Google Earth or something, and I thought, Okay, this is great.

499
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to see an overhead view like a map.

500
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>And I wondered if this was true, if she was here,

501
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and the info I was getting, this voice was in

502
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 2>my head was saying yes, and it was kind of

503
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>a male voice and very soothing. And then the vision

504
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 2>begins to change and it moret into like a slide

505
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>show of cartoon characters and my career as a cartoonist,

506
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 2>humorist and all that. I didn't know what to make

507
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 2>of this, but I could tell that these were the

508
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 2>most incredible concepts I have ever seen, and I could

509
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 2>tell somehow that they had not been invented yet, or

510
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 2>at least I had never seen them. And the slides

511
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>of these were going by so fast, and I was

512
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>just so enchanted with this art that I almost lost

513
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>my focus for a moment. But then I wondered what

514
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>this had to do with the missing girl, and this

515
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>soft male voice said just wait, and I asked again

516
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.960
<v Speaker 2>in a minute and it said just wait. So next

517
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I was seeing the faces of missing children and I think, Okay,

518
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 2>now we're getting somewhere. But the faces began kind of changing,

519
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>and I felt something wasn't right. As this was happening

520
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and the faces were distorting more, I telepathically asked, the

521
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>things I have seen are true, right, and the voice

522
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:28.039
<v Speaker 2>said no. I was shocked, I asked, but earlier you

523
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>said yes. Why are you saying no now? And all

524
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, this gray cloud came from behind the

525
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>slide show, and as it flies towards me, this voice

526
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:48.880
<v Speaker 2>yelled because I lied, and it flew through my head.

527
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 2>It was horrific, terrifying, as you can probably tell by

528
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 2>just hearing this. I mean, it was brutal. It was brutal. Well,

529
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I backed out of that meditation so fast. I ended

530
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it right there. I realized I had been played by something,

531
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.360
<v Speaker 2>but I could not even process it. At least I

532
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.559
<v Speaker 2>got away from it, and that was a relief, And

533
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was just speechless, but I felt like

534
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I had gotten away, and I actually managed to fall

535
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>asleep that night, and I was determined that no matter what,

536
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 2>this wasn't going to stop me from trying to help.

537
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 2>But I realized that probably everything I had been told

538
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>over that entire three weeks had been a lie, and

539
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that was just awful, just awful. So anyway, the next morning,

540
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of course, I wake up and the first thing I

541
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 2>remember is that experience. I thought to myself, how glad

542
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I was I got away from that thing. Suddenly, clear

543
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.480
<v Speaker 2>as can be, I heard that same male voice say nope.

544
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 2>A wave of terror shot through me like a bolt

545
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of cold lightning. My heart was pounding. I was so

546
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>terrified and confused. I couldn't even move, and I wondered

547
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 2>what I could do, but again the voice said too light. Wow.

548
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>I sat there, afraid to even think because I because

549
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>it knew my thoughts. But on some level, I was

550
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>wondering if I had been possessed, if I needed an exorcism.

551
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.760
<v Speaker 2>But it was the weekend and I wouldn't even know

552
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.559
<v Speaker 2>what to do, and I was truly truly paralyzed with

553
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.760
<v Speaker 2>fear like no other time in my life I could

554
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 2>ever ever possibly remember well somehow, and I think this

555
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 2>was helped from above. I next decided to say a prayer,

556
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 2>and I visualized white light from above washing down through

557
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.679
<v Speaker 2>me from head to toe, removing this thing from in

558
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 2>or around me. I didn't know where it was, and

559
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>once I did that, I could think without hearing that voice,

560
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 2>and I'm so happy to say I have never again

561
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>heard anything speaking to me like that, not like that anyway.

562
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 2>And this sort of wrecked me for a while. As

563
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you can imagine. I talked to a dear friend in

564
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 2>California who is very psychic, very spiritual, way beyond me,

565
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and she said, the entire thing about missing children is evil,

566
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 2>and it attracts darkness and these dark entities. It is

567
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>like a sewer, and if you go there, you will

568
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 2>encounter these dark entities. And she reminded me how nothing

569
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>can possess those unless we invite it. In so I

570
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>realized that when I asked the Sea of Consciousness help,

571
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 2>that an invitation for anyone or anything to respond was

572
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I was asking for. And something did respond,

573
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and she said, you have to be specific, you know.

574
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 2>And until then I never would have believed these things exist. Intellectually,

575
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the idea of demons or dark entities were just sort

576
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of a concept, you know, religious nonsense, but real no, no,

577
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think until you personally experience one, it is

578
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>difficult to believe. But once you do, reality is absolutely

579
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 2>turned on its head. There's no explaining it away by

580
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 2>imagination or whatever. So before every meditation. Now I say

581
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>a protective prayer which I read in a book by

582
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 2>another psychic, and the prayer is this, and I encourage

583
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 2>other people to do it. It goes like this, God

584
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and angels surround and protect me. Those who come to

585
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>me do so, and love and like, and I feel

586
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.400
<v Speaker 2>totally safe and protected. This way. I have not had

587
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>any more negative experiences like that, and so I feel

588
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like that is working. But I have not gone looking

589
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 2>for missing children anymore. Obviously. I just realized it's not

590
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>something I was really called to do. It's something I

591
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.159
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, but not what I was called to.

592
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I'll say about these meditations

593
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 2>and psychic experiences, even sitting at the traffic light and stuff,

594
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I never stopped to wonder where was all this taking place?

595
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, really, it was it in my human brain

596
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 2>outside my physical body. Did I go through a wormhole?

597
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Did I have an out of body experience? I really

598
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>had not imagine these things. I mean, they were so

599
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 2>unique and expected that dark entity had created full color

600
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 2>movies using a real sex offender's image and places and

601
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>even art for me to see. And how did it

602
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 2>do this? And when did it start. You know, it

603
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.159
<v Speaker 2>really made me question things and wonder for a long time,

604
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and I still don't have the answers to that, but

605
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 2>it has not stopped me from exploring things deeper. And

606
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I've had wonderful experiences. I've gotten into mediumship, not doing

607
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 2>it for other people necessarily, but just practicing with some

608
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>other people, and have been contacted by some people who

609
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.119
<v Speaker 2>have departed, and that blows my mind as well, and

610
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the way you know that it's really happening. In Susanne Geeseman,

611
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>who is one of the best evidential mediums in the country,

612
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 2>she said that mediumship is different from a psyche reading

613
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and that in mediumship it is more dynamic. And I

614
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:17.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't really understand what that was until I experienced things

615
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 2>happening like all of a sudden, three bursts of energy

616
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.039
<v Speaker 2>just blasting down on me whenever I got an affirmation

617
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 2>about something. And then when one of the spirits in

618
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 2>my mind's eye showed me his hands, actively showed me

619
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>his hands because he wanted me to let his person

620
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 2>know that he had been good with his hands, but

621
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.639
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't a laborer with his hands. So there was

622
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 2>things like that that I have experienced that I have

623
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>really found fascinating. And that's why I say I think

624
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 2>that the paranormal is just as intrigue, if not more so,

625
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 2>than the UFOs, because for me, the UFOs might be

626
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 2>something physical, there's something that's interacting in what we call

627
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 2>this reality, But the paranormal is, to me, it's sort

628
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of inside this reality. But then again it's it's a

629
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 2>reality that we can't see. And that's my take on that.

630
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 2>And with that, I think that's probably enough for today.

631
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 3>So thank you, Nick, Thank you for that fascinating.

632
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I hope I did okay, and it's not boring for anyone.

633
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, you did just great. Now, when did you

634
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.280
<v Speaker 3>very very first discover that, you know, you had these

635
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:46.239
<v Speaker 3>type of abilities.

636
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I realized it n't til I was

637
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.960
<v Speaker 2>actually an adult. And what happened was I was at

638
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 2>a company picnic and I was talking to some women

639
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.679
<v Speaker 2>i'd never I didn't even know, and I think that

640
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the subject of psychic came up and I said something about, oh, well,

641
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.559
<v Speaker 2>I've had some psychic experiences, and they asked me to explain,

642
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and I told them all I could see things for myself,

643
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, like if I was going to go to

644
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 2>a party. No matter how much I wanted to go

645
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.599
<v Speaker 2>to the party. If I couldn't visualize myself there, I

646
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 2>knew something was going to happen. I wasn't going to

647
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.719
<v Speaker 2>be at the party. And one of the women just

648
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>shocked me. She said, well, do me read for me,

649
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 2>see what you see for me? And I just kind

650
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>of laughed and I thought, what, there's no way, but

651
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 2>she insisted, So I thought, Okay, this is embarrassing, this

652
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>is crazy. But I just started staring at her and

653
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I immediately got a picture of a man that looked

654
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>an awful lot like her, and I described him and

655
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 2>she said, that's my husband, and I was really surprised.

656
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>And then I saw a blue car. She said, yes,

657
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd drive a blue car. And then there was a

658
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 2>couple other things, and then all of a sudden, I

659
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>got this what they call a spiritual download. I never

660
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't even know what it was, but it's like you

661
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 2>get a compressed file, spiritual file of some sort, psyche file,

662
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and when it reaches you, it just explodes in your

663
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>mind and it's totally complete. So I could see the

664
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 2>future for this woman, and I knew how she felt

665
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>in this thing I was seeing and what I was

666
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.639
<v Speaker 2>supposed to tell her. So I did and she said, well,

667
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't have children right now, and I said, well,

668
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You know these things, this stuff has

669
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>to have happened for a reason. So that's that's really

670
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 2>when I first realized that I could see something for

671
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 2>someone else. And I guess a few years before that,

672
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I had been to a psychic because I was having

673
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 2>some concerns about something and I was curious, and the

674
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 2>woman did toil card readings and she was really good.

675
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was amazing. She knew stuff that wasn't

676
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.519
<v Speaker 2>even in my head. And that kind of blew my

677
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.280
<v Speaker 2>mind because I thought she was just reading me psychically.

678
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't wear any jewelry or anything. I wanted

679
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 2>her to just you know, get whatever she got. However,

680
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and during the reading, she stopped at one point and

681
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 2>she said, you would be good at this, and I

682
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.760
<v Speaker 2>said good at what? She gestured at the Tureau cards

683
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, oh no, no, no way, not me.

684
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 2>So that was really how I first really really realized

685
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>that what I thought was normal for me about seeing

686
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 2>the future and stuff that and just knowing some things

687
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.880
<v Speaker 2>that this was actually some sort of a gift. It

688
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 2>was different, you know. So that's when I learned that.

689
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever had it where the gift has been

690
00:45:59.079 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 3>more intrusive.

691
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had anything intrusive happening, I would say no.

692
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I've had life saving experiences where all of

693
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 2>a sudden I just knew I was supposed to slam

694
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 2>on the brakes getting on the interstate because I was

695
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 2>running out of room for one thing, and bam, a

696
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 2>semi went right by me, and if I had not

697
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 2>slammed on the brakes, I would have been killed. So

698
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 2>there's good intrusive, you know, and there's not so good intrusive.

699
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 3>They're the ones you need, the life saving ones.

700
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. So I've definitely had those.

701
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.320
<v Speaker 3>So you'd never like wake up in the middle of

702
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.960
<v Speaker 3>the night and a spirit is pestering you or anything

703
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 3>like that. I've heard sometimes psychics they're like beacons of light.

704
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 3>Some spirits.

705
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I have heard that too. And I don't

706
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>know why exactly that I have been so protected. I

707
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>know that we all have a spirit guide. One of

708
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the exercises I did, I met mine, and I think

709
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 2>mine has been protecting me pretty much. My entire life,

710
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and before I met mine, I would not have even

711
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 2>believed it. I would have thought this was I don't

712
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>know something, you know, because all of this stuff was

713
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty new to me starting in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

714
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 2>and so I've had to kind of learn a lot

715
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 2>as I've gone along. But I haven't had anything scary,

716
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 2>negative like that frightening that I can think of. I've

717
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>my daughter and her husband had moved to upstate New

718
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 2>York and to Cooperstown, New York, which is a very

719
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 2>very old village. In fact, James Finnimore Cooper is buried there,

720
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:45.039
<v Speaker 2>so it has a graveyard with an awful lot of

721
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>very very old tombstones there. And they were renting this

722
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:56.760
<v Speaker 2>apartment which was a theater that had been converted into apartments.

723
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 2>So there was this grand staircase that led up to

724
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the second floor to their apartment on the right hand side,

725
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>and they had some steps that went up to an

726
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>attic area that they didn't even really use. And one night,

727
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 2>my daughter woke up during the night and she happened

728
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 2>to look to the left and she saw a man

729
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:22.159
<v Speaker 2>in very old timey clothing going up the steps to

730
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>their attic and she said, Mom, I knew it was

731
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.039
<v Speaker 2>a ghost, but I wasn't scared. I could see through him.

732
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was interesting. And so the next

733
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.760
<v Speaker 2>morning when her husband wakes up, she says, you won't

734
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>believe what I saw last night. And she starts to

735
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>tell him about this man, and her husband says, wait,

736
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.920
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you what he looked like. And he

737
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 2>described the guy and she said, how did you know that?

738
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 2>And he said, well, I saw him two weeks ago.

739
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 2>But they weren't scared at all. And they had friends

740
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 2>who owned a whose parents owned a bred and breakfast there,

741
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and the friends had to go out to the store

742
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 2>and they were expecting company at any moment to arrive,

743
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 2>but they had to go to the store. So the

744
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 2>company arrives, a lady answers the door, lets him in

745
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and says, you know, they'll be back soon. They just

746
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.280
<v Speaker 2>went to the store. Here, make yourself comfortable in the

747
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 2>living room there. So they're in there waiting and the

748
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 2>friends arrived back at the house and they're shocked to

749
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 2>see their friends there and they said, how did you

750
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 2>get in the house And they said, well, your maid

751
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 2>let us in, and they said we don't have a maid,

752
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 2>and they asked what the woman looked like, and so

753
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 2>the people described the lady who was solid as flesh

754
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.159
<v Speaker 2>and blood could be. And the owner said, well, that's

755
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the lady that used to own this bed and breakfast

756
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>who died. So people can have positive and negative experiences

757
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 2>like this. I thought those were pretty interesting to me.

758
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Yeah, the missing teine that you looked online with

759
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.840
<v Speaker 3>the missing posters, So yes, did you ever follow that through?

760
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you had all these images and this thing

761
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 3>said it lied to you.

762
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, it turns out about a few days later,

763
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 2>after I had been horrified by this thing, I checked

764
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to see what the status was on her, and she

765
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 2>had been found. She was fine, she had been off

766
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>with her boyfriend, and that just really really. I was

767
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 2>glad that she was found, of course, but I was

768
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 2>really pissed off at that entity for stringing me along

769
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>for three weeks of my life when I was trying

770
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 2>to do something good. So anyway, yes, she was found

771
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and she was okay, And I meant to mention that

772
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>that she was found, Yes, thank you for asking.

773
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is always good. So it would seem that

774
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 3>whatever did this basically wanting to get into your head

775
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.320
<v Speaker 3>and send you on a wild goose chase pretty much

776
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 3>waste your time.

777
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and it has all the time in the world.

778
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, this was just a lark for it, probably,

779
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:18.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of many that it has done to

780
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.039
<v Speaker 2>different people. Who knows. Some people believe that those are

781
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 2>just oh, spirits that have passed on that just want

782
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 2>to have fun, that are kind of hon re or prankish.

783
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, you know, After that, I wondered

784
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 2>about religion and God and all kinds of things, and

785
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought, if there's an all powerful God, why did

786
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.440
<v Speaker 2>those things exist, if they really are doc entities. So

787
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.400
<v Speaker 2>that sent me on a quest to try to ponder

788
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 2>my navel over that for a while. I tell you,

789
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 2>but we don't know. We just don't know.

790
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.719
<v Speaker 3>There are things out there that which are there to

791
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 3>deceive us. I must have made when you started saying

792
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 3>about that. I did do a little google to see

793
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 3>if pick up the case, and there was a very

794
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.599
<v Speaker 3>similar case which happened pretty much down to the tea.

795
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.800
<v Speaker 3>But this was in Livingston in twenty twenty four, a

796
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 3>missing girl which got found in the river.

797
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's so sad. There's so many things like that.

798
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 2>I just hate it. I don't understand it. I don't

799
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>know anything about anyone else's experience. I just I am

800
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 2>an introvert and I kind of stay in my little

801
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>house and I read a lot, and of course I've

802
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.519
<v Speaker 2>been interested in the paranormal stuff, but not like ghosts

803
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. I mean, I never would have

804
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 2>gone into anything dark if I had been forewarned, that's

805
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 2>for sure. And I didn't even know I was going

806
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 2>into anything dark. But I do know from my near

807
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:50.039
<v Speaker 2>death experience that helped me to kind of remember being

808
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:54.440
<v Speaker 2>on the other side and how there's just not this.

809
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.320
<v Speaker 2>It just things just aren't viewed the same way. And

810
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I find that so hard to bleep. But of course

811
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 2>this is my human brain saying, oh, I find it

812
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 2>so hard to believe. You know that on a much

813
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:11.440
<v Speaker 2>much higher level, it's just different. And of course, if

814
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 2>we're nothing more than frequency, vibration and energy, then nothing's

815
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>really happening to us anyway. We're sort of imagining all

816
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.239
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And again that's the human brain reacting, going,

817
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 2>oh but it's happening. I mean, I feel pain, you know,

818
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>So all I can think is it's just designed to

819
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>be this way and someday we will have the answers,

820
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:36.199
<v Speaker 2>but we don't.

821
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the answers are on the other side, aren't they.

822
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 3>It's like when, because I do have a lot of

823
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 3>near death experiences on this show, when people do cross over,

824
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 3>even just for a very short period, there seems to

825
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 3>be like a blood that's connected, and then on return

826
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:52.280
<v Speaker 3>that connect continues.

827
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I would say that since my experience I have gotten,

828
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.920
<v Speaker 2>especially in meditations, I have gotten more and more awareness

829
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 2>about all of it and how I feel. I've gotten

830
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 2>an understanding about why some things are the way they are.

831
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 2>But I consider all of that pretty much personal to

832
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>me and what I need to know for my own

833
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.079
<v Speaker 2>spiritual growth. I have always said that, you know, you

834
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.800
<v Speaker 2>can go to twenty different psyches and they will give

835
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you twenty different reasons about the explanations about the afterlife

836
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and what you can expect, But nobody really knows, And

837
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 2>if anybody claims to know, I think all they're doing

838
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 2>is speaking from their own personal experience or whatever. And

839
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I know one author who I will not even name,

840
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I know he did a study on people's experiences before

841
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 2>they were born and stuff, and it did not resonate

842
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.559
<v Speaker 2>with me. That's all I can say. It just did

843
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.880
<v Speaker 2>not at all. But I do believe I have lived

844
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>before as an Indian and one of my meditations I

845
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.039
<v Speaker 2>connected with that on such a deep level that I

846
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 2>was crying. It was very emotional, and there's no doubt

847
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 2>that I was recalling that, and it was very healing

848
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>for me because in that life my father loved me

849
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 2>very much, whereas in this life I was not. So

850
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that was like a very healing opportunity to remember having

851
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 2>been profoundly loved so so that was wonderful.

852
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Do you have any advice for anyone which you have

853
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.920
<v Speaker 3>these feelings? I mean, you have claar sentience. Come on,

854
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 3>you must have considered going to Vegas.

855
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Had no not at all. In fact, I believe that

856
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:46.599
<v Speaker 2>if you use your gifts for personal gain, that very

857
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.159
<v Speaker 2>bad things can happen, or that you will lose them

858
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 2>or something, maybe not very quickly but over time, or

859
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe on the other side you will regret having done that.

860
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I do think that some people help other people, and

861
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.159
<v Speaker 2>that's wonderful. That mean, that's what I wanted to do

862
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>with the missing children, and I would not have wanted

863
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 2>money for that, so But as far as advice, I

864
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 2>really think that, well, they say everyone can do this.

865
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, everybody has these abilities and we just need

866
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to open ourselves up to them. But my advice would

867
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>be to just be aware that there are dark things

868
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 2>somewhere there and to do say, just visualize a white

869
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 2>light protecting you, because darkness cannot stand the light, and

870
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.960
<v Speaker 2>that's one universal truth I will buy into. But to

871
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 2>explore open yourself up. Like when I was at that

872
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.679
<v Speaker 2>traffic light. Years later, I wondered if I had had

873
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:53.239
<v Speaker 2>the radio on and I wasn't really paying attention, would

874
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.400
<v Speaker 2>that have made a difference, Because we distract all kinds

875
00:56:56.440 --> 00:57:01.239
<v Speaker 2>of stuff and we don't just still just listen. So

876
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I advise people to be receptive. And I have read

877
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:09.679
<v Speaker 2>that the reason a lot of these after death contacts

878
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.599
<v Speaker 2>happen when people are asleep is because that's when our

879
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>brains are the quietest, you know, and that's when spirit

880
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 2>can get through to us. So the more you can

881
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:26.199
<v Speaker 2>do that and you're waking hours and meditate and raise

882
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 2>your vibration higher and higher, then you can experience these

883
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.559
<v Speaker 2>things and can it can be just fascinating and helpful too.

884
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.280
<v Speaker 2>But that would be my advice would just be to

885
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 2>know what to look for and to visualize yourself protected.

886
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what it's all about. All the about balance,

887
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.039
<v Speaker 3>because you know there are things out there which, certainly,

888
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.000
<v Speaker 3>as your account suggests, I want to interact with us,

889
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:54.800
<v Speaker 3>but also deceive us.

890
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that sucks. I don't like that.

891
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sing doesn't help. And as for Vegas, I mean,

892
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm certainly not a gambling man. I think if someone

893
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.480
<v Speaker 3>has this gift and to completely use it for good,

894
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, not selfish. And if they did, you know,

895
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:12.639
<v Speaker 3>donate the money and give it all the way to charity,

896
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 3>that possibly might be might be different. But yeah, but

897
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a gambling man. And my wife moans and

898
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 3>me because I barely will spend a dollar on the lottery.

899
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 6>Wonderful.

900
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:26.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Nineteen eighty nine, you saw this light, Beverly. You

901
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 3>wanted to get a better look, and it came to you.

902
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it came to me. I mean it had already

903
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 2>gone way down the highway, and it had even disappeared

904
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 2>behind trees and towards a field, and it was gone,

905
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to see it. I was frustrated, and man,

906
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the next thing I knew there was barreling towards us

907
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.079
<v Speaker 2>when we were going seventy miles an hour, really really

908
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.119
<v Speaker 2>fast down that highway, and it caught up with us

909
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>in a flash and stopped. And it didn't stop on

910
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the driver's side of the window. It stopped on my

911
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 2>side of the window. So I really wonder if was

912
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:11.880
<v Speaker 2>non human intelligence, biological entities, And they responded to my

913
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 2>thought that I wanted to see more, and boy, they

914
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.559
<v Speaker 2>were going to show me more. Who knows. But then

915
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it disappeared when I was grabbing

916
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>for the camera. I wondered if it could have seen

917
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.400
<v Speaker 2>through the riff of the car or what. But again,

918
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:30.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe it read my mind and it just decided we're

919
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 2>out of here now she saw you know. That's it.

920
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I really don't know either way.

921
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, we didn't

922
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.079
<v Speaker 3>have drones. We had nothing like that. You can certainly

923
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 3>discount helicopters or or anything like that. Really, whatever, it

924
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.000
<v Speaker 3>was definitely knew you were there and wanted to make

925
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:50.360
<v Speaker 3>some kind of connection. Even though it was briefed pretty

926
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 3>sure it didn't want to be on camera, but it

927
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.599
<v Speaker 3>was just happy enough to show you and interact with you.

928
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it could have been to government guys from

929
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, the miller Harry that decided, hey, let's go

930
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 2>back to that car and let's go play a prank

931
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.840
<v Speaker 2>on those people. Who knows. But I felt like, and

932
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 2>this is the psychic in me, I felt like there

933
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:16.800
<v Speaker 2>was something living inside that craft. For sure. When I

934
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 2>thought about it later, I thought that was probably really

935
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 2>stupid to look up at that light. No telling what

936
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.039
<v Speaker 2>could have happened. It could have burned my eyeballs, It

937
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.519
<v Speaker 2>could have burned my face. There could have been radiation.

938
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who knows. But it was just just something

939
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:34.280
<v Speaker 2>that happened. And I don't guess I was even really thinking.

940
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:37.880
<v Speaker 2>But later I was glad that we had not been abducted, you.

941
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Know, Yeah, that's always a good thing. But the way

942
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 3>it is a great interaction.

943
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was certainly something I'll never forget. It

944
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.159
<v Speaker 2>was very exciting, very exciting to be that close to something,

945
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 2>no matter what it was. It was very unique. But

946
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:56.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, those things are there and they're just I

947
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know, there are a lot of places. That's what's

948
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.000
<v Speaker 2>amazing to me, because for someone like me to have

949
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.599
<v Speaker 2>had four experiences in my lifetime. That tells me that

950
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of those out there and a lot

951
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 2>more people will see them. And of course lately in

952
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the news, we're seeing all of these supposedly drones and

953
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 2>orbs and stuff, and there's talks like, oh, this is

954
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.679
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese, this is this, this is that, and it's

955
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 2>a false flag that the government's doing this, but nobody

956
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 2>will say. Nobody will say what it really is. So

957
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:32.320
<v Speaker 2>who knows.

958
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 3>Everything is just muddy in the waters at the minute.

959
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.119
<v Speaker 3>It's very difficult to tell, but something's going on.

960
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 2>You know.

961
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:41.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad our paths crossed. And we did have

962
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.119
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of technical issues at the very beginning,

963
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:45.599
<v Speaker 3>but you know, that's just technology for you.

964
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes it is. Yeah, I appreciate you asking me to

965
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.119
<v Speaker 2>be a guest on your show. You do amazing podcasts,

966
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:55.400
<v Speaker 2>so I'm honored.

967
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.360
<v Speaker 3>You are more than welcoming. This is what I sawt about.

968
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 3>It's like a digital campfire. We just get people don't

969
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 3>want to come and share a lot of situations that

970
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:05.599
<v Speaker 3>these accounts have never been shared before. So it's always

971
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 3>good to get accounts from from decades ago because we

972
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:10.159
<v Speaker 3>don't want to lose them, you know, we want to

973
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:12.639
<v Speaker 3>keep these stories still being heard.

974
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, And I think that's my experience, especially in

975
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight. This was before we had a lot

976
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.320
<v Speaker 2>of reports of UFOs and stuff, and I think it

977
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:29.400
<v Speaker 2>was probably less likely that it was government having reverse

978
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.440
<v Speaker 2>engineered what I saw in the sky. So that made

979
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.719
<v Speaker 2>it especially exciting for me because there was no doubt

980
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.360
<v Speaker 2>that this had to be something from somewhere else, and

981
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:43.960
<v Speaker 2>it was really a rare treat, that's for sure, Beverly.

982
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:46.199
<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for

983
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 3>our listeners.

984
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, thank you for having me.

985
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.519
<v Speaker 3>It has been wonderful to meet you. Okay, please keep

986
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 3>in contact Beverly right, and we will speak soon and

987
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:56.800
<v Speaker 3>enjoy the rest of.

988
01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>The evening you too. Thank you care for now, bye

989
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.119
<v Speaker 2>bye bye.

990
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.320
<v Speaker 6>Well that's all for tonight. Keep updated and connected with

991
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.719
<v Speaker 6>the show on x, Facebook and Instagram. And if you

992
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 6>have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,

993
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:17.320
<v Speaker 6>you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

994
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Speaker 6>or you can reach out to me via the contact

995
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 6>page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A

996
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 6>big thank you to Beverly for sharing tonight and thank

997
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.199
<v Speaker 6>you all for listening. I will be back next week.

998
01:03:30.800 --> 01:04:36.039
<v Speaker 6>Till then, stay safe, we keep watching Uskies. Goodbye,