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it's time for the paranormal peep show.
Speaker 3: Mm.
Speaker 1: Hi, welcome to the paranor Keep Show on the Paranoral
UK Radio Network. My name is Neil Warden and I'm
joined by regular hosts Andy Chaplin and ben Emlyn Jones.
Welcome to the show, gentlemen, Hello, Hello Neil, Hello, welcome back.
And we're recording this on a bank holiday Monday, but
I'm sure this will be going out of the internet
over the many years to come, so don't worry about
the time, and we'll welcome back to the program. A
guest who's been on with us before a few times now.
It's Hugh. Hugh Newman. How are you, Hugh?
Speaker 4: Pretty good? How are you guys doing.
Speaker 1: We're fine, We're fine. Now we're joining each other via
webcams and everything over the Internet. And you just told
us before we recorded that if your screen goes off,
it's because there may be a spirit in your house
causing problems.
Speaker 4: To say the least. Yeah, yeah, it's an ongoing, ongoing
ghost issue, paranorl stuff we have to deal with here.
We do live in like the Stonehead and a burial mouse,
seven burial mouns just like twenty thirty feet from our
front door. And I guarantee there's something under our house.
There must be. It's just it's too weird. You know,
all these You get these movies, don't you from like
the seventies and Eggs, all these you know, having typical horror,
all built on like Native American burial grounds. It's a
bit like that here, but more British indigenous style.
Speaker 3: Have you had that for the how's it a little bit?
How long have you actually lived there? And how many
years as it's been going on or months as it's
been going on.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's been going on for years. We've been here
about eight years, I think eight or eight nine years.
And yes, it's been going on, building up in like
you know, it peaks at times, it goes away at times.
We've had specialists in to try and clear it. And
you've got to understand, I'm pretty kind of level headed
when it comes to stuff like that. But the stuff
that's been happening is we've had you know a lot
of guys stuff happening, stuff throwing it thrown about all
over the place, Weird stuff being repaired. You would not
quite believe some of the stars which play weird stuff
being repaired. Yeah, okay, I'm a bit worried. I'm going
to sound like a mad man here, but these are
genuine stories. These really happened. You know, you guys are
into it, but I'm worried at the basically. Okay, that's good.
So yeah, yeah, good company. And yes, so with one example,
you know, just put it in perspective. Were two Twice
we've had broken cups glue back together and repaired. And
we've had a chair we had a broken chair that there.
You've got an old wooden chair with rungs on the back.
The top rung have been broken for ages. It's just
sitting in our kind of kitchen, a dining room area.
And one night JJ decided to hang this bag over
the chair and it fell down to the second rung
and to one have broken. It just was there and
we we we came down in the morning and the
top run had been fully repaired, put back together, and
and and and the bag was then trapped in there
and like got photos a bit and everything, and uh
and we were looking at each other and look at
and we know neither of us can repair anything, so
you know, we're useless at that kind of stuff. So
either someone broken the house, repaired our chit and left,
or something weird was going on. It's kind of fairy.
It's kind of like getting into fairy realms.
Speaker 1: That is, it's like the little It's like the elves
shoes overnight sort of story, isn't it.
Speaker 5: You know, there's sorry, it's gonna say. There's lots of
comedy sketches about ghosts, whether the poultivised turned up and
they're actually not destructive and they do good things like
they mop the floors and do the laundry.
Speaker 4: And things like that. But it's it's it appears.
Speaker 5: Is the first example I've ever heard of you that
in which some kind of spirit, some kind of entity
actually things like mending rather than smashing things up. I
don't know if that.
Speaker 4: Is true. Is it's nice to have what I've had
that Three times we've had stuff being mended, two mugs
that got smashed. But most of the time it's not
like that. It's like stuff being thrown about, disappearing, reappearing,
stuff floating across the room, doors, opening, light lights going off,
shadow figures everywhere, so we have all sorts of stuff.
It's pretty pretty intense. And and I've had people stay here,
they've they've had stuff happen, so they know we're not
making anything up. And yeah, and it's it gets pretty weird.
I mean there's we had like the other day we
had weirdly this is this sounds like something out of
a movie. But we had some like to bey the
door handle was moving. JJ noticed it and the door
started opening. When in the then all the lights go off.
Every time anything happens, all the lights do off, and
we've gone do the brieg. I think everything happens. It's
only after we feel something's about to happen or we
see something, then it happens. And then but the other day,
this hand the door moved and the lights went off
and turned it back on. I go out the room.
JJ is sitting on the sofa and I hear this
bang and come back in the room. She's still on
the sofa and this book has throw jumped off the
shelf onto the floor and uh. And I still as
I picked up the book and I was like, oh
my god. And it was called The First Ghosts by
Irving Finkel and the and there, we were like, no,
come on, So I think we actually emailed him and
told him about it. It was it was kind of had
a little chuckle, you know, the fact that his books
getting parallel and activity. Yeah, he came through a conference.
That's why I got the book. He came to our
Origins conference a few months before and last November, November
before and and he was and his book is all
about Sumerian ghost stories and like traditions that go back
into into time, like they were actually like factual accounts
of this kind of stuff happening in the time of
the Sumerians. He decoded all these Sumerian tablets, these kinea
form and honestly, it's one of the most incredible lectures
I think I've ever seen. It's on a YouTube channel
of people want to check it out. It's unbelievable. And
that kind of just makes me kind of wonder if
we had writings going back here, we'd have similar kind
of stories being recounted, and they were like charms and
like spells you could do to protect yourself from ghosts.
And these are often the ancestors according to early Thinkle,
and they really feel it was that's exactly kind of
happening here. I mean we've had stuff happen at ancient
sites as well, very very intense stuff. Sometimes we're scary
some and I don't know if they just win us
around or what's going on, or whether we just go
to the wrong places all the time. And but yeah,
it's it's you know, you know, when you when you
experience it directly, you realize it's real and you can't
really deny it. But the week start telling lots of
other people. They either think you're mad, don't want to
be a friend anymore, or they think, oh it's kind
of intriguing, you know, but you know, because they don't
experience and they don't really know, you know. So yeah,
you know, I've been interested in fairy law kind of
ghosts on off through through the years without too much seriousness.
When when you have direct stuff flying, you know, it's
really dangerous. We had this cup kind of fly out
the kitchen, and we had this we all it was
I was sitting here in my office and in the
living room we had this giant bank whole house shook.
It was like a few years ago, and we were
what at birth was that, you know, we thought someone
has driven into the house or something like this, So
we didn't know what. We went in the kitchen and
there was this club would be smashed all over the floor.
But we saw this dent in our in our kitchen
kind of we're dining room in between the kitchen and
live really this sort of long dining room and it's
a big thing where the cupboard hit the cupboard six
foot up. Danger is so hard it left it still
there you still see it and smashed the ogles well.
But the thing is the cup was in the kitchen
down there, so it must have had flew, flown out
of the kitchen, turned a corner and then smashed and
it was head high, which is a bit scary. So
how do you explain that? You know, you didn't see
it happened, but you felt the effects of it and
you saw the afterwards. The remind you is your house
on the laya lines, definitely, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had
people come in here look at all that stuff this
is on. It was also used to be occupied by
people of the kind of a golden born and things
like that back in the forties and fifties and stuff
like that. The woman who lived it before had very
strange stuff. She had kind of psychotic episodes. But we're surviving.
We can't enjoy it in a weird way. So I'm
talking about it now. I'm worried that's going to happen
and my electricity is going to go. So if I
cut out, I apologize now. I'm not going to do
anything myself, trust me. But you know, when you're kind
of conjuring up a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I thought there, I think you've got an open portal,
and I think you've got a mixture of different energies
coming both positive and negative coming in. So the ones
that were repairing on the positive side and the ones
that are destructive are on the negative side. And there's
like a clash, that's what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's a it's a bit trickstery as well.
There's like, you know, I found stuff in the garden,
you know, and there's no way you could have got there.
It mustn't gone through the letterbox or something to get
in the garden. So's this weird kind of stuff, you know,
stuff completely just vanishing you, stuff rolling across the floor. Yeah,
and if there's a few sites we've been to as
well with we've had some interesting experience. We went to
the site in Italy. It's called Saturnia, and this is
in a saturn Kronos. It's supposed to be the oldest,
first ever built city in Italy and it's built by
the kind of giants or the gods, and hence the name.
Saturnia's got these polygonal cyclobian wolves around the town. This
spoo years hell. When you go out of the town,
you head down to the valleys, there's this kind of
a field of dolmens that were some of the earliest
sites in Italy that go back six thousand and seven
thousand years. And I went there once in two dimes
and eight and I felt odd then, you know. But
when I went back in twenty eighteen, JJ, we were
driving up there, and this is traditionally the kind of
a burial place of the giants and you're not supposed
to interfere with it or anything. So we drove there
about a mile half a mile before we got there,
I felt like something in my solar plexus go war.
You know, there's something kind of weird going on here.
We should be real careful, you know. JJ thinks I'm mad.
I'm going to say we should say some kind of
protection kind of spell, you know, something to protect us
before we go in there, and she just laughed at me.
So we got out of the car, opened up the
boot and we look over to the side. It's just
behind this fence and this tree is sixty foot tree
cracks in half and smashes down on one of the dolmens,
and we're just like, oh that is that is odd,
you know, and we were like, well, I should let
let's leave you, let's get out of this. This is
not because I could feel it before I got there.
I knew something was going on before I got there.
Speaker 5: He was gonna ask him, was it was there any
wind at the sign?
Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, no. Honestly, this was something out
weird because the lad win no nothing to suggest the
tree was fresh. We went and got photographs of it
and filmed it and everything. The tree was fresh. It
wasn't like you know it was, but you know, I
knew something was going on before we even got there.
So then we went in there. It all kicked off.
The next thing. Next thing we know, we walk in
and I can feel all this stuff going on. I
just feel this sort of you know, for the tingling,
and that you know, there's something around me, around JJ
as well. Within a minute, she's like screaming and running out,
sprinting out the site and locking herself from the car.
Dropped all her stuff on the opposite side of the dolments.
I had to walk through them to get them all.
And I said, I'll get a stuff, but I just
and I was freaking out a bit, you know, ask
you for protection this thing, and then I go and
get all this. I just spent a couple of minutes
getting a few little clips inside the dormant and go
in there and get it and all that. The next
thing I know, she's screaming from the car sharing run,
get out, run. I just got a boat with out
of it. She goes, Man, I saw these predator type
things in the trees coming around you as we got
out of there quick. And and to me, it felt
like it was like some you mentioned a portal earlier, Andy,
this is like it felt like this was like we're
ancient black magic. We're still prevalent. Were our timing was
pretty good off or you know, we turned up there
when stuff was kind of peeking or something. I don't
I don't know to this day, I can't quite understand it.
But when you say credit, we're you know, JJ, You'll
know we're pretty level headed, both of us. We're not
really into really far. Our staff were quite we're quite
kind of you know, I saw it. I gains you know,
kind of approaches to life and our research and everything else.
Looking for any you know, notoriety from this at all.
It's just it's just reports of what actually happened.
Speaker 3: So when you say credit to things, these these were
kind of like glistening literally kind of like as if
there's auric fields of beings kind of around you, kind
of thing.
Speaker 4: I could, I mean, I could, I could, you know.
I'm like I'm like a rock, you know, I can't
feel much, you know, I don't, you know, but I
felt it. Then I could feel stuff around me. I
knew there were stuff happening when I went in there.
You know, I could feel rushes of energy all over
my skin. There was like feel it's almost like a breeze,
like a moving pod around you, and you get the
cold shivering. I knew stuff was going on, and then
j J kind of caught something out almost like out
of a peripheral vision. It was almost like that. I said, look,
you have run get up, you know, so you have
to kind of Yeah, it's intriguing, but when you're dealing
with ancient sites, you're going into that kind of thing.
And I think the concients were very much aware of
all this and it was part of their part of
their kind of culture. And I don't think you must
know the book Damnonic Reality a by Patrick Harper, it
kind of goes into some of these kind of things.
It's an absolute gem of a book if you can
get a copy of that. Now, a lot of these
things we see as paranormal or supernatural are like always
like one step away. There always one step ahead. They're
always like you're always trying to grasp. You think you're
getting the answers to one of these kind of miss
street and it just takes another step away. Another level
of complexity goes beyond what you can grasp. And this
is like the very realm as well, very much. It's
like the you know, the early you know, chuncter crop circles.
It's like the ghost stuff as well, the uf even
the UFO you know phenomena. It has the same kind
of feeling about it. It's got the you know, you
can't quite You think you're about to find something and
it just steps away from you and you can't quite
grasp it.
Speaker 5: That's quite common, and it's I don't blame you, I
mean it sounds. I mean it's very very rare for
trees to fall spontaneously. I mean they normally trees life cycle.
As it reaches it, it gets big and bigger and bigger,
and eventually there's it falls down in the wind. It's
blown down by the wind, along with all the other
phenomena you experience. I don't blame you for saying a
protection spell. I mean a few couple of weeks ago,
I went to Alistair Crowley's birthplace, the house in which
he was born, which is a sort of I had
to take a train of Lemington Spa and I did
a little protection spell before I went near that.
Speaker 4: Even though it's only a.
Speaker 1: Play for your little baby, but yeah, it's it's worth doing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I think that as you're living in this very old cottage,
Hue it as soon as you started talking about the
paranormal stuff coming up in the cottage, it reminded me
instantly of the Doddalston messages that happened in about nineteen
eighty five, which was a teacher in the village of
Doddalston or an early BBC microcomputer to teach someone how
to use, you know, a word processor, and they were
writing scripts on it, and they would leave the word
processor on, say switching it off, and they'd go down
the pub, and they'd come back and find all these
really weird messages on there, and there was no one
else in the house. But it was all written in
early modern English. You know, Duff the has a horse
or something like that. Questions like that out come. It
turned out to be this supposed spirit or someone talking
from the fifteenth or sixteenth century, but they were leaving
messages on a computer, which is really weird. But then
it got even weirder when they started geting messages from
the future twenty one oh nine, I think in the
year was quoted as where it's coming from the future
as well, So maybe that started off with pot guys
that activity as well chairs being stacked up in a
corner in a kitchen, all the tins of baked beans
or cat food or being stacked up neatly, things flying
off the wall, that kind of stuff. But then the
computer started to play hellock. So maybe if you want
is leave your computer on overnight. If some messages come
on there, you never know, it might be an inn,
a pair of your chair.
Speaker 4: You know, I have a story. I have a story
about my computer, about what happened once with my computer.
You're going to look you're like this, Okay, So j
JJ went out. I was out, but JJ went over
to Stonehenge and she felt all this kind of like
almost like a fizzing kind of energy in the stones
and around her. She felt odd as something strange going.
I just couldn't kind of work out what's going on.
She came back home and then a few minutes later
I was out. I came back after you when she
told me, all but two guys looked almost identical like
we're black lopped on the door and she and this
fizz and energy was happening. This is kind of buzzing
kind of feeling. And I kept repeating can we come in?
Can we come in? And was like no, you cannot, No,
you cannot. And she eventually closed the door and thought,
this is very strange and there's energy eventually dissipated. But
I come back home that late that later that afternoon.
It was just during the day, it was it was
one of those humid, kind of muggy, weird days. Anyway,
I came back and I checked my computer, which is locked.
I lock it every time, you know, I've got you know, encrypted,
all this kind of stuff. I come back half of
my hard drive, as everything on it is vanished. Over
half just vanished and it must have happened. And that
was all happening, and like, what the hell? And luckily
I backed it up three days earlier, so I had
the whole thing backed up, but I lost half of
my life. I checked. I just looked at my hard
drive symbol on the Mac and just went, why is
that half the amount? The hell? And half of it
just being like systematically deleted off it, you know, like
from ab so you do know, don't have halfway through
the ALP but kind of thing. It was like really,
and it's like what how I mean, I don't know
how to explain that to this day, because that just
doesn't happen. You don't. You never things just don't vanish
off your computer, especially when you have two men in
black turn I'll well, well that's it.
Speaker 5: I'm just going to say they were like the men
It sounds like a men in black en counter and
you're getting strange people turning up. I mean, there may
well be a connection between this disappearing data.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, what was that disappeared? I don't know.
I think to me it was like just just half
of my computer had gone. I don't know what. I
don't really know. I can't remember what exactly that was,
but I'm just delighted I had a backups.
Speaker 1: Always good to sud thing's up, you know, because you
look how that novels of ancient civilizations written by two
men in black and that's your aunt. So, Hugh, if
we move away from the men in black and haunted cottages,
you've got some interesting tales of faces you're visited. And
I can't remember these places, but what's what's the first
place you want to tell us about? Which is I
know you've been doing a lot of interviews about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this, well, this sort of stuff. Down in southeast Turkey,
we've got like you've got mainly Quebecley Tepe that's the
main site, and then you've got more recently he's been
excavated as Carahan Tepe, where myself and JJ May this
remarkable winter Solstice alignment discovery where this huge human stone
head kind of gets illuminated this portholestone in this kind
of strange, semi subterranean kind of pit with all these
rock carved pillars carved at a bedrock inside it. It's
h I mean, that's a spooky, it's hell this place.
Some people have said that's like it was buried because
it was some weird dark stuff going on there. So
we discovered that and it kind of blew our minds
and it opened up this whole thing, and they're excavating
this whole site. And the thing is, it's like we've
got this precise witness solstice alignment at site which is
nearly what eleven eleven and a half thousand years old,
and it perfectly encapsulated and recorded the the winness solstice
Sunwright suggesting that they were definitely doing this that far back,
which is kind of unheard or although now I found
other a place around the world that were possibly even older,
which I'm going to be getting into an our next book.
But with Gbecley tape as well, it's like a multi
there's kind of sister sites to each other. Car out
the southeast, about twenty five miles southeast of Chandlerfa, which
is the main city in that region, is the ancient
Abrahamic city, the Pools of Abraham. You have the birthplace
of Abraham, you have the biblical stories there and things
like this. But just northeast to the northwest of they've
just got northeast. You've got Rebecular Tap near the city,
and that's the main site that's been known about since
the nineteen nineties. However, they've now found twelve more sites officially,
but actually there's thirty eight some people say one hundred
Tory with all these beautiful rock cut temples, you've got
tea pillars and these kind of circles, all these very
specific geometries which I've been finding, all with decision measurements
and leaf carvings and things like this, and it just
makes you wonder who on Earth was doing this At
the end of the last I says, because this is
much more technical and beautiful and precise than staninghand or
anything in Britain. Even it also almost metes stuff in
Egypt or Peru. It's that insane, and so so that
is our kind of focus. I've done a little book
on it. I've done my little wooden book on back
to Terbey and Carahanterbury the world's first megaliths. That's been
out for a while. It's coming out and just coming
out in America, and we're working on a bigger version
myself and JJ. Actually we've found tons of other stuff
now and it hasn't really been covered that my share.
Any other person really working on it is Andrew Collins,
who's a good friend of ours. You know, we've been
working he's a little my mental already been working with
him for many years now. But it's just what's coming
out of the ground there is insane because most of
it was completely deliberately buried, most of it, and so
at the end of its use, you know, a couple
of fifteen hundred years of use, then it's completely new.
Back then it's about ten thousand years ago, just less
what it's throe. And the thing is they stayed buried
until the nineteen nineties, so right near you know, if
you think about Chandeler for this is like a major
city in along the Silk Road connecting with the Middle
East with Anatolia. This was loads of stuff going on
in Biblical times, Roman times, by Zantines, even like Alexander
the Great had a thing going on. All this history
happened there going back thousands of years, but no one
knew anything about Quebec Lutepe and these thirty eight sites
that are coming out of the ground now, which is
like a whole chapter of human history is completely not
been there until recently, and so everything has to be
rewritten now. This is what's happening. This is like, you know, people,
you know, it's like it's almost like the kind of
time of Atlantis, you know, the alleged Atlantis. This is
that era. You know, people talk about this Atlantean times,
this memory of this lost civilization. It now appears it
was actually out on the rocky hills of southeast Turkey,
you know. And this is also people are saying this
is the kind of traditional area of the Garden of Eden.
This is something that has being talked about by Andrew Collins,
a lot written about by him over the years. So
you know, there's a lot to consider when you're looking
at this part of the world. This is really the
time of discovery. Big excavations are taking place. There's a
whole project they're called it Test Tepelo, which means Stone
Hills or Sacred Stone Hills. And yeah, we're headed back
out there literally and in a week or so, just
to run another tour out there, but also to look
around see what else has been uncovered.
Speaker 5: So you know, it's really what's what's remarkable course of
the antiquity of this site and it's sophistication for something
that essentially is neolithic. And also you mentioned that you
mentioned Atlantis. This is like finding Atlantis chronology in that
is given in Plato's Atlantis actually matches when this site
has been dated to as if in ancient Greek times
there was some kind of historical record of the culture
that might have built it, which has since been lost
in comparably recent side. We're talking the last two millennia.
And the third issue I think is remarkable is that
the modern the modern establishment in Turkey, the scientific establishment,
is not happy about these excavations. And according to people
i'd been there, the site owner has been like refusing
permission for digs and things like that, as if they
don't want they don't want this era of history uncovered.
Speaker 4: For some reason, there has been a bit of that year,
there's been a bit of There's been a lot of
controversy just very recently actually about the owners of gebecley Tepe.
They planted olive trees all over the site, digging as such,
but so it could have been affected the archaeology, the
roots going into the archaeology. It was Jimmy Corsetti of
Bright Inside uh Nikki Jones and they've all been doing
stuff out there. They went there recently to have a
look and they've been pushing to get more excavated at
uebec the tap because it's very very small amount has
been excavated, and this is like the smoking gun of
like the missing chapter of human history. So why aren't
they going for it? Why are they pausing? You know,
why are they slowing down so much? I think that
that needs to be addressed. And you know, it's something
we were kind of campaigning for. It's almost like they
want to give it away to future generations to excavate
it rather than do it all now, which we don't understand.
We just don't get. We don't we don't get that
way of thinking. So, yes, it's unfortunate, but there's the
there's the tourist dollar to consider. They're building the infrastructure
for that. They're funded by what's called the Dogos group,
and these are who are funded by the w e F,
which is a whole conspiracy theory in its own right.
And but yeah, so there's a lot to think about
when you're kind of, you know, dealing with the kind
of very high level official stuff, especially in Turkey, because's political.
It's got this religious thing going on, because you're down
in southeast Turkey. There's a kind of Islamic thing there,
there's a crystal thing, You're on the border with Syria.
You've got the Kurds who they kind of took out
many years ago, and they're still like memories and trauma
from that. So there's this whole kind of problem area
really going on down there. So they have to tread
carefully whatever. And I just get concerned that they're going
to they're going to start finding stuff that they can't
really explain. I think it's so so amazing what they
found already. I think they're hesitant to dig too much
because they keep finding that they could find something that's
just completely gonna rewrite history.
Speaker 3: Do you think that they're taking orders from dark suited
people about saying don't touch this cover this up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows. I mean, it's really big us in
independent something. The thing is, we really are not particularly
liked by the officials out there because me and Andrews
sort of the only, you know, the main people really
talking about this any people doing us. It's the most
fascinating thing happening on the planet right now, and so
we kind of, you know, always talking about it, always
publishing on it, right writing about it, making videos everything else,
do podcasts, you can talk as well. You kind of
enjoyed doing and yeah, so I don't know if there's
anything deliberate, but what I do know is that there's
they're very careful with the way they're approaching everything, and
they don't like there's a lot of people like this
Jimmy corsetting, and they don't like them because they're actually
exposing some stuff about what's going on out there. Myself,
and Andrew and JJ would kind of you know, we
keep on, you know, we don't say too much. We
say the right amount of stuff because you know, we
don't want because you can get banned from there. You know,
I've been threatened with being banned, so is Andrew Jimi
is being threatened with it. Now as well, and they're
serious out there. You don't mess about, you know, you
don't want you don't want to end up in a
Turkish pruism for doing anything they deem illegal, that's for sure.
So yeah, so you've got to you know, the fact
is they've excavated quite a lot. They've done the good
amount of Carahan Tap Pay. There's new sites being excavated,
like say Birch another site which is remarkable. There's other
sites like chack mac Tampey which is even older than
go Back. There's Sophia Tape, which I see near Carahan
Tap out of the Tech Tech Mountains. And so there's
a whole civilization to be found out there. That's the
thing we're not We're not talking about one or two
stone circles. We're talking each these sites has multiple structures.
You know, Quebec lu Tepe has a least quen sized
stone circles carved, some of them carved from bedrock with
beautiful three D relief carvings to such a high level
you would think they were done by modern artists. And
yet this is at the end of the last time.
These were hunting gatherers supposedly doing this, and so you
have to think what on Earth is going on? And
then I've been looking into the geometry of all these sights,
the fact that I've been doing it in the last
few days, and it's been driving me mad. To be
honest with you, I've got to admit this, and just trying
to work out and back engineer the geometry of the
stone circles there is and it proves beyond doubt that
they were doing this and they and some of the
some of the geometric designs are identical to what we
find in British stone circles and in France as well,
and even napped a player in Egypt which goes back
seven and a half thousand, eight thousand year is there's
very specific geometrical constructions and obviously been working on it.
I've got a whole pad of kind of technical stuff
I've been doing with compasses and pencils and protractors and
things like that. She's trying to work out how they
did it, and it is they definitely were doing geometry,
and I think you know, and they also have very
specific measurement systems which are all based on Earth measures
as well, and so they must have had an understanding
of the size and shape of the Earth. So you've
got things like that. I mean, how on earth could
that be happening? Who was given them the information? How
did they acquire it? And then JJ has been j.
J Ainsworth and my partner, we're working on a book
together as well. She's been looking at the astro mythology
of it and found that they were studying arstok of
very something called the Golden Gate of the Ecliptic and
all the symbolism of that is marked within these sites. Yeah,
the archaeologists and the academics, right you are putting said, no,
there was no astronomy, there's no geometry, nothing, you can't
have any of that. They all had roofs on, you know,
temporary so they never looked at the sky, which is
just utterly absurd. So yes, so there's like an uphill
bat already. But we're just to we really want to
present it in you know, the way it should be
presented to the world. We don't want to kind of
it's being presented by the officials and the Archaiolo has
been like this mundane domestic site. It was like just
like a village that was it and nothing special. It's
to us. We know it's special, we know it's remarkable,
and it's going to basically suddenly it's rewriting history as
we speak.
Speaker 1: So I actually dive into this with the information these
archaeologists are digging up these places and they're discovering it.
How do you kind of get that latest information from them,
because are they likely to take a long time to
interpret it to understand what the finding before you can
then re channel that information out to the greater populace
or you. I don't know, how does it work with
you sort of coming in and following them directly.
Speaker 4: Well, we just go there twice, two or three times
a year and just go to the sites. We talk
with the families to own the land. We we document
everything as it's found. Really. Yeah, obviously as soon as
anything's published by the archaeologist, Woul put that out as well.
So that's yeah, of course, And I've got a huge
amount of respect for the work they're doing out there.
Really it's hard work because you know, you look at
some of the sites they're dealing with, They've got to
go down like twenty thirty feet rubble stone and dirt
just to get to the top. Of these stones, you know,
so and they got you know, they have to be
really careful as they go down because these were very
heavily buried and deliberately so in most cases. Although there
is evidence of a slope slider quebeculity tap paintment in
the main area and so there's but to us, you know,
we we we when it comes to understanding these sites.
The work the archaeologists do is stell. They do the
hard work, they do the graph they do all the bandying,
they do the analysis you know, scientific methods, dating and
everything else, and that is brilliant. But when it comes
down to interpretation, that's where you've got to get other
people in, you know, interpreting these sites. And that's one
of the things I'm very strongly focused on, is you know,
getting people who got expertise in geometry or astronomy and
things like this, or you know, mathematics for the numbers
and the symbolism and things like. You know, you can't
just rely on archaeologists to do that. They're not trained
in many of these different other disciplines. They're trained in
archaeology and then for apology maybe you know so you know,
so that's where That's what it kind of comes down to,
you know, and I'm an obsessive, you know, I'm a
possessive like ceciles, like geometry and the numbers, things like that.
So I keep finding all these things associated which are
the same. That's what the old canon of number science,
which has been around for note about thousands of years,
like through the work of John Michelle, John Neil and
Robin Heath and now Howard Crowhurst people Adam Tetlow, And
I'm sort of part of that sort of way of
thinking because you know, you can really understand a culture
once you know how they thought, and like when they're
laying out the geometry of a sight, you can actually
work it out how they did it, you know, if
you've got a compass and you've got a bit of
understanding so and so what I've I've been literally doing that,
and I'd be like, oh, why highly technical? You know,
this is like they're not just coming up with these
shapes by chance. They have to lay it all out
and then carve it into the bedrock and then place
pillars very very specifically around this geometry, you know, with
these as in very specific orientations to specific you know,
sometimes the stars sometimes to the winter solstice sometimes too.
There's no put that they have been understanding of north, south,
east and west as well. And also they the way
that the sites are placed across the landscape sometimes harmonically placed.
They're like they're surveying, they're going beyond just the one
site and going into across the entire landscape. So yeah,
so when you start seeing things like that, you realize
you're dealing with something very special. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So with the fact that it's getting buried, or you
think it's being deliberately buried, is there any theories put
forward to why that might be so?
Speaker 4: Well, there's so there's it's been a big debate. So
the original it's actually you know, in a kind of
that kind of realm, there's like big debate about that
because clearly the sites have been buried. You know Carahan
Tepe definitely deliberately buried. The thing about that site, it
was some of the statues were broken, they were like
fell apart, they'd been broken in specific places and then
placed and other things were placed in certain areas and
then it was buried with all these three specific capt
of soil, dirt, rock, things like this and it was
a long time thought. Beckley Tepe was like this as well.
But then they found that there was actually actually like
a sort of slope slide where stuff built up around
the edge of the main enclosures on this sort of hill,
fell inwards and kind of buried part of it. And
they're trying to put forward that it's what the archaeologists doing.
They're trying to put forward that that's all it was.
It was just accidental, there's no deliberate burial, like the
original archaeologist said. But it contradicts all the other sites
which were definitely deliberately buried. So there there's all this
debate about this, but it was part of their tradition.
It seems it's something that Mesmari Keral he's the head
archaeologist Carahan Teppe wrote in a paper when because what's
called a or the pillar shrine where you have these
upright pillars with a stone head that gets illuminated on
the winter solstice, that was very carefully buried to it
immeculately like it was. They had specialists come in and
do that because they wanted to preserve it. And likewise,
Beckley Teppe, there's evidence of rebuilding repairs, putting things back
in place, placing ornaments, statues, and artifacts, and then burying
it over, you know, so it's almost like they were
bearing it like a like a burial, like a person
with all their kind of you know, paraphernalia. Even though
there's very little evidence of human burials. The sides were
what they're burying, not the humans.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's always if they're trying to hide the
past or maybe I'm trying to think of various possible
reasons that come to mind. I'm obviously not trained in
archaeology or anything, and I'm thinking, okay, maybe they wanted
to hide it for some reason, maybe religious reasons, it
contradicts other things in biblical terms or something maybe, or
could be an earthquake maybe that buried it. I don't know. Okay,
here's part two of our show with Hugh Newman and Andy.
He was asking a question to Hugh concerning the sub burials.
I guess it was.
Speaker 3: Just a lead on from what you were saying, Neil,
in terms of these ancient artifacts and monuments being buried
and why they would want to do it. Like one
speculation that maybe I could put forward is maybe there
was a civilization that felt that they had to move
and had to shift on, and maybe the whole burial
thing was to keep the essential things hidden with a
view to at some point someday going back to it
now from what I understand in Turkey and correct me
if I'm wrong, Hue. And there's quite a lot of
underground tunnels and caverns and places where people have hidden
for whatever reason. And we don't quite know what the
reason was, but there's apparently layers and layers of tunnels.
Could a civilization have kind of buried everything upsticks gone
to these tunnels for whatever reason with a view at
some point to going back.
Speaker 4: It's a good point. Yeah, there's a there's a lot
of these underground cities. There's the most famous one is
darren Kokuou, which is in kind of Cabadocia, kind of
central Turkey. But they, I mean, there's actually two hundred
underground cities have been recorded. About thirty of these go
multiple levels down two hundred or one or two levels.
There's some have been found got too far from Beckley Tepe.
There's one has been found in a place called Midiat,
which is you know a couple of one hundred or
so miles to the east, going into the kind of
area where the whole other was very ancient, even earlier
than Quebecley taping. There's some sites in that area. Then
they found some of Conya near Chattel Hooyak, which was
a couple of thousand years later than quebecuy was in
central Turkey. So yeah, there's a whole bunch of them.
And that one of the things that I've been been
right in about is there are some evidence that Andrew
Collins had pointed this out to me, this very unusual
old book which they still sell. It's like a tourist book.
But the guy who wrote it was actually an archaeologist,
like back in the sixties, and he said he was
trying to work out where because you think about Darren Cuyu,
it's like five levels down, possibly many more. Originally this
amount of two for rock we had to remove. No
one knows what happened to it. That we were talking
millions of tons of it, and people have been trying
to say this guy actually he went to the rivers
nearby and found evidence of all this two for powder
and rubble that come out of the caves, found evidence
of Paleolithic and Mesolithic spearheads and arrow points and things
like that within this kind of debry that came out
of garrin Cuu or associated underground cities. So he realized
that they could be super ancient, not especially the first
couple of levels they're always the most ancient. Then further
you go down, people builds on the building up and
they're building down into the ground, and the first level
or two are really much better quality, and they're clearly
you can see the kind of tool marks, and they're
made the antler and you know, flint, the pebble and
stuff like that is carving it, rather than later cultures
on the lower levels where they can clearly see the
metal and the Hittites, the Bronze age or things like this.
And so they could be super ancient. They could have
been even older than could be Tepe, some of them,
and they may have actually been built to protect themselves
from the younger dryas that was going on. The impact
vans the I mean because even you know what, one
hundred and fifty two hundred miles south of Gobecley Tepe,
there's a cyc called Abu Herrera, which got destroyed by
a cometary air burst which they found evidence of extreme
heating on the kind of rock particles and the sand
glassy sand that was produced from it. And that happened
at the end of the last night, and that's near
enough to go Beeckley Tepe for them to like know
about it. And it was just you know, a little
time before Gobeckley Tepe. So this stuff was happening in Turkey.
It's a good reason to go underground. And like you said,
after fifteen hundred years of use at these sites to
beecay tepey carry out time, they once they covered them over,
they appeared to leave. So was other stuff happening? Was
there other kind of incidents happening in the kind of
in the atmosphere around them they had to go and
kind of get underground for I mean, we really don't know,
but it's compelling because this era of history is just
there's nothing there. There's like there's no it's being completely forgotten.
So everyone's trying to piece it back together.
Speaker 1: It's it's like they're trying to hide their technology and
history completely wipe it off the map. So how did
people discover the fact that these places might likely be
buried there was. It sounded like photos looking at the
land mass and thinking there looks like disturbance there or something.
Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty three, an American archaeologist called Peter Benedict
along doing a survey of the area, just like general
university survey of different parts of the world they do,
and they found with Beckley Tepe basically found it. They
founded the mound on the hill. They found all these stones,
but because there have been some later internmental burials there
from the Islamic people in the area, they thought maybe
this were an earlier cemetery just before that, maybe it
was Byzantine, which is around the Roman era, and because
there's Roman evidence in the area, well, so they just
assumed these blocks were his gravestones. But they are actually
segments of T shaped pillars that would obviously be sticking
out of the grounds suddenly first discovered then, but it wasn't.
I told the nineteen nineties when Klaus Schmidt was following
up with this that he found a couple of statues
that had been given to the museum by the landowners.
One of them was of a male kind of holding
his pallas. Another one was a kind of section of
a tea pillar and the lizard on it. And so
when he saw those, go where did these come from?
And he kind of relocated where they were and that's
when he realized he was onto something because he'd also
found another site called Devali Turi, which was a smaller
version of Quebec with about a thousand years later and
but nothing really kind of came from that. That was
in nineteen eighty three, in the early eighties. I mean
they got completely covered over by the all from the
dam being built. He had to take down, so that's vanished,
but they took it stone by stone, saved it and
now it's on just the whole actual site is on
displaying channeler for a museum the Valley Jewelry, which means
Valley and the Plague and so that so that was intriguing.
So he realized that maybe some other sites and that's
when he started digging quebecu Teppe. It was like, oh,
he quietly did the dig for four or five years,
didn't even announce it to the world to two thousand,
so they kept it really quiet and it's like, so
it's pretty incredible. And Andrew Collins he went there in
two thousand and four so he was there right at
the beginning of the excavation. Now a whole section of
it's been uncovered in a massive visitors center that has
been built, you know, And so that's kind of how
it got. I mean, even Carahan Teppite until twenty twenty one.
We were visiting there since I've been going there since
twenty fourteen, and like all you see, of course, this
whole hill is these little kind of what looked like
slabs of stone in pairs across the whole hill, just
sticking up out of the ground a few inches and
now the tops of T shaped pillars of these giant
stone circles closures. And so we were going there for
years and never thought anything spectacular was going to be
found there. But when they started excavating in twenty twenty one, yeah,
it was spectacular. It's one of the most impressive sites
pretty much in the world. Wow.
Speaker 1: And slightly on a different tangent. I know, there's been
in the news recently a lot of stuff about Egypt
and pyramids and things like that, So do you know
much about what they've been discovering there.
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, there's this. We were in Egypt recently, me
and Andrew actually and we managed to go underground under
the Gezer plateau close to where all these discoveries are
being made. This was a cave system that Andrew discovered
in two thousand and eight called the Tomb of the Birds,
officially called NC two, and the gate was kind of open,
so we went in and had a look, as you do.
But he'd already discovered it, and that documented this. It
became it's actually I'm known as Collins caves you know
by Sahi are called say you as called it that
you know, so he's been recognized as a discovery. But
this leads to underneath Cafray's pyramid. Caffres pyramid is the
middle one, the big middle one, the geese and platter
and yes, so all this stuff came out in mid
March from they called the Cafre research project team for
the Italian Armando May and Filipo Byondi, who are actually
coming to speak at our conference in November, by the way,
because they're very interesting people. And the technic they're using
basically satellite scanning technology, but it's all about be able
to do stuff with the data effectively, and they've patented
this way of doing it. Which is incredibly interesting and
it could open up a whole world of satellite underground archaeology. Now,
so we are keen to meet I meeting them in
America a couple of conferences I'm speaking. But what they
found based is that they found loads of anomalies under
the Middle Pyramid going way down. They claim there's like
eight kind of my cylindrical sections going down or space
to part equally with giant captives beneath them. And even
at the base of the pyramid itself they found what
they believe other chambers, and they've noted that there's even
a normally is under the Great Pyramid. There's normalies under
different areas of the Geezer Plateau, and so yes, it's
pretty exciting. But I mean coor of me is the
authorities came out dismissed the whole thing and claiming it
is nothing there, you know, there's nothing doing. So yeah,
so we were lucky enough to get under the Geese
Plato and actually get into this close to this area ourselves.
And there's a whole thing about that now, because something
Andrew's been talking about, I'm talking about it a bit
as well. So if you actually look around Cafree's pyramid.
This is clearly the oldest one, the oldest constructions on
the gear as a Platt were there, They're not the
Great Pyramid. They seemed to be there, and they were
working into the bedrock just like they do at Camerahan
Teppe and Pebecay Tepe, and so a lot of speculation
going on around. You know, was there a connection between
these cultures and is actually their kind of evidence of
the style of designer working into the bedrock as prevalent
at Cameraan Tape and Beckley Tepe. Also this part of
the Giza plata and hence are these underground areas connected
because it makes as a genuine underground area. At the
say Birch site, for instance, when we were there a
couple of years ago, we discovered this sloping giant tunnel
going three hundred feet into the ground, another test table
the site, and no one has documented these. We we
kind of these people to like write talk about them
and okay, just have zero interest in them. Were like,
what how is this real? And you know, so we're
finding stuff like that in Turkey, just by Gavi. We
just spend time there and we look around, we talk
to the locals. We kind of, you know, get to
know people. They like us. We're really nice to them
and everything we do we kind of help them and so.
But yeah, so what is going on in Egypt? I
think I think, to be honest with you, I think
there's something about it. It's been dismissed by a lot
of people as complete fakery, but I don't. I don't
think so. I think there's something going to be It's
going to come out. It might take a few years,
but I think it's going to come out as something
quite astounding.
Speaker 3: If you were if you were going to guess what
it might be, what the purpose of it might be,
because some people have mentioned like energy fields and tesla
coils or something along those lines, what would your guests be.
Speaker 4: Well, they put the thing with the actual Italians who
did did the initial scans or analyze the scans. They
saying they looked like JED pillars d J E. D pillars,
which is a traditional kind of symbol you find all
over the place in Egypt. Some people are saying something
to do with the kind of energy or healing or
something like this, But when you look at it, it's
like it looks really technical because they used aire what
it could have looked like and things like this, and
it looked mind blowing. I mean, it went all over
the world, got in newspapers. We had our video. We
did a video on it right away because we've been
in the under the Giza player that a few weeks before.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 4: I thought wow, and I went viral. We've got a
million views in like two weeks and stuff like that.
It's like crazy. So everyone's very interested in it, and
I think for good reason. But what it's used for,
that's a whole other story. No one knows actually, I
mean until you get down there, until you're allowed to
go in there, or at least get GPR scans as well,
like go around with a little kind of trolley GPR
thing see what else is going on there. But there's
a lot of people kind of focused on it, and
it's good. There's a lot of traction being made with it,
and it's just frustrating, like because you want to go
in and have a loo. You know, the archaeologists claim
there's nothing, there won't be anything because of the water
level would be up to there. But actually if you
look at if you a should go with the geezer platter.
It's like almost at the top of the platea and
you know, the sphinx and everything is way further down,
much lower altitude, you know, so they said at the
water table. Actually they probably it's much lower underneath that
pyramid than anywhere else. So yeah, so what it was useful,
I don't know. But I tell you what though, when
I was there in twenty seventeen, we've got a little
bit of power or what a little bit a ball
of light. I filmed it. I could send you the clip.
I filmed this ball of light going up the side
of Cafe's pyramid, perfect flying up to the top. And
even now I got it as I was moving the
camera to film something else, and that freaked me out.
So that could prove there's something odd going on there.
Speaker 5: What that is, we don't know, but it's really this
is really controversial, and I've been following online. Has caused
an absolute explosion of information and counter information, and there's
a lot of deception I think going on in this.
For example, there's been some like renderings, like just some
renderings of the artist impressions of what might be under
the pyramids.
Speaker 1: And this is really really huge.
Speaker 5: It goes down basically as deep as some of our
deepest minds.
Speaker 4: And these are huge underground structures.
Speaker 5: Bigger than if the way they're portrayed, bigger than almost
anything that we build today. The Kevin Pyramid, I should
point out, is one people forget about it. It's not
as famous as the Great Pyramid, but it's almost as big,
and it's actually better preserved. Near the top you can
actually see some of the limestone cladding has survived the
present day, whereas it's all vanished on the other two pyramids.
But a lot of people are saying things like a
lot of skeptics are saying, well, it's fake because they
you can't this this scan they used wouldn't have worked
because it involves radar, but without without pointing out that
the actual method they used was actually they were detecting
motion caused by sound waves on the ground. That's what
it was. They weren't actually penetrating on the ground with
the radar. So there's a lot of misinformation there, and
it's if whatever it is, it's really does rewrite the
whole story of that site. And I think a lot
of people are worried about this. I mean, flint divel
did a video where he was clearly drunk. I mean,
he sounded really agitated about this. He was actually sipping
beer while he was drinking. He was swearing a lot, right, So,
I mean, my hopes aren't high for the authorities to
sort of like let people dig under there. But what
I think is that the Scanned Pyramids team could come
back and try their muography method because that's already been
proven to work because they detected the chamber which was
later discovered it which was actually confirmed. Maybe they could
detect the thing with agraphy because that's not that possible.
No one could refuse that because it's not penetrative. It's
not a penetrated method. It's just it's worked by cosmic rage.
Speaker 4: One of the things that they kind of backed up
their their kind of case. We featured that in our
second video we did on it, and we're doing actually
this this Weber and soon about it as well with
guy a TV. But there's they found what they did.
They showed what else they've found with the Gizer platter,
and one of the things was the Asyrus shaft, which
is a known underground area. It goes very deep, there's
two hundred feet down at least, it's got multiple levels.
It's got a psychopha guy in there, and they're very
base of it is. And that's actually on the causeway
that goes down from the Caferet's pyramid or the middle
pyramid all the way down the thing. It's halfway down
it basically, and that that came out perfectly almost on
the scan and that's two hundred feet three hundred feet
below the surface. So if that comes out, then wake up,
you know, it kind of proves that what they're finding
under Cafriage been there must be something there. They've got
to remember the Tomb of the Birds and Colin's Caves,
much of that is natural. These are natural cavities and
caves under the geezer platter. Big there was Andrew's massive
discovery back in two downs that it caused this sort
of big sensation like this is now, this is this
new scan stuff. And even then he was using SAR
technology and detecting things from sell data back then amazingly.
But so there's a lot of natural caves and caraties
under the ground there with iron ore, with black manganese
oxide and everything else, and so there could be a
bit of both, a bit of like working with the
working the star and creating underground areas, which they were
known to have done. I mean, because the subterranean chamber
in the Great Pyramid is literally underground. You know, you
have the thing at Sakara, it's the same, you have
some of the other pyramids, it's the same. So they
were definitely doing stuff deep under the ground back then.
But what there's some of what they're picking up I
think is partly natural caves as well.
Speaker 1: M Right, I think we're going to have to leave
it there with running out of time, gentlemen. But it's
been a fascinating chat, brilliant, brilliant to have your back
on you and a whole variety of things we've covered
from haunted houses, haunted pyramids and galadi between.
Speaker 4: So andy we need haunted UFO, haunted uf there's a
few could be scribed that way.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: I came across the video yesterday with fairies with sorry
no aliens with fairy wings, which is a different one
to the normal aliens you encounter. So yeah, so they're
branching out. I think these these paranoral entities. But Hugh,
if people want to find out more about you, they
can go to your website if you want to give
a start again.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, it's just they can just search for me
Hugh Newman or they can go to Megalithomania dot co
dot uk. And we also have this this is the
Origins Conference. We've got the guys who did the scan
stuff coming in for that from Italy. If people want
to meet them and sort of quiz them, you know
and like or you know, debunk them whatever you like
in politely, you know, please and that we're doing that
in Wiltshire in November, which is kind of fun. So yeah,
so maybe you guys should come along, you know, excellent.
I'll talk for that one.
Speaker 1: That's not that far away from me, so that sounds
really good. All right. Any final thoughts sir Ben and
Andy before we close the show.
Speaker 4: I've just really enjoyed this discussion.
Speaker 5: I think it's we're looking at point now where a
lot of truth is coming out about all kinds of
subjects that was never really addressed before, was laughed at before.
So people like people like us, I think, are now
experiencing a real vindication. The world is changing and people
are going to well as a lot of apologies, whether
they actually will or not. They don't know, but I
think we are being proved right, and I'm happy that
I lived to suit this day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd say the same thing, and that they have
been I don't know if you want to call them
psychics or remote viewers, but certainly people have a mystical
persuasion have been saying there's something under the pyramids for
quite a few years, and everyone's like, oh no, no, lady,
rubbish tinfoll hat and lo and behold, Actually there is
and apparently there's some kind of mystic library.
Speaker 4: This is what I've heard underneath the pause of the sphinx.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, is that a egger Casey prophecy
or something.
Speaker 3: You'd be really interesting that if there could be a
bit of kind of probing under the sphinx pause and
see if you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, been confirmed by sonic detection. Uh yeah, yeah, sad waves,
it's been.
Speaker 3: Because what really bothers me is why are the authorities
so dead against something that could absolutely shatter our version
of history and rewrite it. Why would you be against that?
Why would you not with a scientific mind want to
investigate that exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're investigating, but they've got to keep fit
quiet for a minute because it might upset a few
Apple carts and things, you know, Christianity I or Islamic
stuff or whatever. You know, you just don't know what
boat you're gonna rock as soon as you're announced it.
So they've got to look at it, digest it, and
maybe it's a it's a bit like a disclosure thing,
but on the archaeological side it right, okay. So thank
you very much to Hugh once again, and to Andy
and to Ben and for joining us on the Paranormal
Peep Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Stay with
us for next month and we'd look forward to seeing
you then Bye bye, bye
Speaker 4: Bye Never taper didn't much Mone