1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Hmmm. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:01:07,799 it's time for the paranormal peep show. 4 00:00:59,439 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: Mm. 5 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Hi, welcome to the paranor Keep Show on the Paranoral 6 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,040 UK Radio Network. My name is Neil Warden and I'm 7 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,000 joined by regular hosts Andy Chaplin and ben Emlyn Jones. 8 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:22,359 Welcome to the show, gentlemen, Hello, Hello Neil, Hello, welcome back. 9 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,200 And we're recording this on a bank holiday Monday, but 10 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,000 I'm sure this will be going out of the internet 11 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,439 over the many years to come, so don't worry about 12 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,120 the time, and we'll welcome back to the program. A 13 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,680 guest who's been on with us before a few times now. 14 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,280 It's Hugh. Hugh Newman. How are you, Hugh? 15 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: Pretty good? How are you guys doing. 16 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,239 Speaker 1: We're fine, We're fine. Now we're joining each other via 17 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,640 webcams and everything over the Internet. And you just told 18 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,480 us before we recorded that if your screen goes off, 19 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,879 it's because there may be a spirit in your house 20 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,319 causing problems. 21 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: To say the least. Yeah, yeah, it's an ongoing, ongoing 22 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:01,239 ghost issue, paranorl stuff we have to deal with here. 23 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:07,439 We do live in like the Stonehead and a burial mouse, 24 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,120 seven burial mouns just like twenty thirty feet from our 25 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,879 front door. And I guarantee there's something under our house. 26 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,439 There must be. It's just it's too weird. You know, 27 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:19,400 all these You get these movies, don't you from like 28 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:21,400 the seventies and Eggs, all these you know, having typical horror, 29 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,240 all built on like Native American burial grounds. It's a 30 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,319 bit like that here, but more British indigenous style. 31 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,479 Speaker 3: Have you had that for the how's it a little bit? 32 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,439 How long have you actually lived there? And how many 33 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,319 years as it's been going on or months as it's 34 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:36,919 been going on. 35 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: Oh, it's been going on for years. We've been here 36 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,439 about eight years, I think eight or eight nine years. 37 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:45,439 And yes, it's been going on, building up in like 38 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,199 you know, it peaks at times, it goes away at times. 39 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,840 We've had specialists in to try and clear it. And 40 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:54,400 you've got to understand, I'm pretty kind of level headed 41 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:57,639 when it comes to stuff like that. But the stuff 42 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,960 that's been happening is we've had you know a lot 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,159 of guys stuff happening, stuff throwing it thrown about all 44 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:10,000 over the place, Weird stuff being repaired. You would not 45 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,280 quite believe some of the stars which play weird stuff 46 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:19,000 being repaired. Yeah, okay, I'm a bit worried. I'm going 47 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,879 to sound like a mad man here, but these are 48 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,520 genuine stories. These really happened. You know, you guys are 49 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:29,560 into it, but I'm worried at the basically. Okay, that's good. 50 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:33,680 So yeah, yeah, good company. And yes, so with one example, 51 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:36,879 you know, just put it in perspective. Were two Twice 52 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:40,280 we've had broken cups glue back together and repaired. And 53 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,719 we've had a chair we had a broken chair that there. 54 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,879 You've got an old wooden chair with rungs on the back. 55 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,319 The top rung have been broken for ages. It's just 56 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,960 sitting in our kind of kitchen, a dining room area. 57 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:56,360 And one night JJ decided to hang this bag over 58 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:58,400 the chair and it fell down to the second rung 59 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:01,039 and to one have broken. It just was there and 60 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,439 we we we came down in the morning and the 61 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:08,840 top run had been fully repaired, put back together, and 62 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,759 and and and the bag was then trapped in there 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,919 and like got photos a bit and everything, and uh 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,800 and we were looking at each other and look at 65 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,160 and we know neither of us can repair anything, so 66 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:23,720 you know, we're useless at that kind of stuff. So 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,680 either someone broken the house, repaired our chit and left, 68 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,120 or something weird was going on. It's kind of fairy. 69 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:32,000 It's kind of like getting into fairy realms. 70 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,319 Speaker 1: That is, it's like the little It's like the elves 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,720 shoes overnight sort of story, isn't it. 72 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 5: You know, there's sorry, it's gonna say. There's lots of 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,399 comedy sketches about ghosts, whether the poultivised turned up and 74 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:47,560 they're actually not destructive and they do good things like 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,800 they mop the floors and do the laundry. 76 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: And things like that. But it's it's it appears. 77 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 5: Is the first example I've ever heard of you that 78 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,120 in which some kind of spirit, some kind of entity 79 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,519 actually things like mending rather than smashing things up. I 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,040 don't know if that. 81 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: Is true. Is it's nice to have what I've had 82 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,000 that Three times we've had stuff being mended, two mugs 83 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,680 that got smashed. But most of the time it's not 84 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,439 like that. It's like stuff being thrown about, disappearing, reappearing, 85 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,199 stuff floating across the room, doors, opening, light lights going off, 86 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,439 shadow figures everywhere, so we have all sorts of stuff. 87 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:32,040 It's pretty pretty intense. And and I've had people stay here, 88 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:34,639 they've they've had stuff happen, so they know we're not 89 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,399 making anything up. And yeah, and it's it gets pretty weird. 90 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,800 I mean there's we had like the other day we 91 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:46,160 had weirdly this is this sounds like something out of 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,879 a movie. But we had some like to bey the 93 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,240 door handle was moving. JJ noticed it and the door 94 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,160 started opening. When in the then all the lights go off. 95 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:58,560 Every time anything happens, all the lights do off, and 96 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,759 we've gone do the brieg. I think everything happens. It's 97 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:05,160 only after we feel something's about to happen or we 98 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:08,000 see something, then it happens. And then but the other day, 99 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,519 this hand the door moved and the lights went off 100 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,360 and turned it back on. I go out the room. 101 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,879 JJ is sitting on the sofa and I hear this 102 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,319 bang and come back in the room. She's still on 103 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:19,160 the sofa and this book has throw jumped off the 104 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,519 shelf onto the floor and uh. And I still as 105 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,680 I picked up the book and I was like, oh 106 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:27,959 my god. And it was called The First Ghosts by 107 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,920 Irving Finkel and the and there, we were like, no, 108 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,800 come on, So I think we actually emailed him and 109 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,040 told him about it. It was it was kind of had 110 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:39,720 a little chuckle, you know, the fact that his books 111 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:46,800 getting parallel and activity. Yeah, he came through a conference. 112 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,399 That's why I got the book. He came to our 113 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:53,160 Origins conference a few months before and last November, November 114 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:56,120 before and and he was and his book is all 115 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,920 about Sumerian ghost stories and like traditions that go back 116 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,879 into into time, like they were actually like factual accounts 117 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,600 of this kind of stuff happening in the time of 118 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,480 the Sumerians. He decoded all these Sumerian tablets, these kinea 119 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,920 form and honestly, it's one of the most incredible lectures 120 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,040 I think I've ever seen. It's on a YouTube channel 121 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,480 of people want to check it out. It's unbelievable. And 122 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:23,600 that kind of just makes me kind of wonder if 123 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:26,959 we had writings going back here, we'd have similar kind 124 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,319 of stories being recounted, and they were like charms and 125 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,240 like spells you could do to protect yourself from ghosts. 126 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,480 And these are often the ancestors according to early Thinkle, 127 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,199 and they really feel it was that's exactly kind of 128 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:42,560 happening here. I mean we've had stuff happen at ancient 129 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:46,360 sites as well, very very intense stuff. Sometimes we're scary 130 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:50,439 some and I don't know if they just win us 131 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,600 around or what's going on, or whether we just go 132 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:56,439 to the wrong places all the time. And but yeah, 133 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,639 it's it's you know, you know, when you when you 134 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,759 experience it directly, you realize it's real and you can't 135 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,639 really deny it. But the week start telling lots of 136 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,560 other people. They either think you're mad, don't want to 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,759 be a friend anymore, or they think, oh it's kind 138 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,040 of intriguing, you know, but you know, because they don't 139 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,399 experience and they don't really know, you know. So yeah, 140 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,360 you know, I've been interested in fairy law kind of 141 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:25,480 ghosts on off through through the years without too much seriousness. 142 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:28,879 When when you have direct stuff flying, you know, it's 143 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,920 really dangerous. We had this cup kind of fly out 144 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:35,519 the kitchen, and we had this we all it was 145 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,799 I was sitting here in my office and in the 146 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,080 living room we had this giant bank whole house shook. 147 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,600 It was like a few years ago, and we were 148 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,679 what at birth was that, you know, we thought someone 149 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,320 has driven into the house or something like this, So 150 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,720 we didn't know what. We went in the kitchen and 151 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,000 there was this club would be smashed all over the floor. 152 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,720 But we saw this dent in our in our kitchen 153 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,240 kind of we're dining room in between the kitchen and 154 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,200 live really this sort of long dining room and it's 155 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,919 a big thing where the cupboard hit the cupboard six 156 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,960 foot up. Danger is so hard it left it still 157 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,440 there you still see it and smashed the ogles well. 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,840 But the thing is the cup was in the kitchen 159 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,960 down there, so it must have had flew, flown out 160 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,480 of the kitchen, turned a corner and then smashed and 161 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:23,840 it was head high, which is a bit scary. So 162 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:25,720 how do you explain that? You know, you didn't see 163 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,000 it happened, but you felt the effects of it and 164 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,759 you saw the afterwards. The remind you is your house 165 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:36,279 on the laya lines, definitely, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had 166 00:09:36,279 --> 00:09:39,120 people come in here look at all that stuff this 167 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:44,399 is on. It was also used to be occupied by 168 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:51,360 people of the kind of a golden born and things 169 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:53,320 like that back in the forties and fifties and stuff 170 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,440 like that. The woman who lived it before had very 171 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:59,480 strange stuff. She had kind of psychotic episodes. But we're surviving. 172 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:01,559 We can't enjoy it in a weird way. So I'm 173 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,440 talking about it now. I'm worried that's going to happen 174 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,879 and my electricity is going to go. So if I 175 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:10,159 cut out, I apologize now. I'm not going to do 176 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:14,120 anything myself, trust me. But you know, when you're kind 177 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,159 of conjuring up a little bit. 178 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,759 Speaker 3: So I thought there, I think you've got an open portal, 179 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:23,879 and I think you've got a mixture of different energies 180 00:10:23,879 --> 00:10:27,240 coming both positive and negative coming in. So the ones 181 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,159 that were repairing on the positive side and the ones 182 00:10:29,159 --> 00:10:31,720 that are destructive are on the negative side. And there's 183 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,320 like a clash, that's what. 184 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's a it's a bit trickstery as well. 185 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,879 There's like, you know, I found stuff in the garden, 186 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,960 you know, and there's no way you could have got there. 187 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,360 It mustn't gone through the letterbox or something to get 188 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:52,480 in the garden. So's this weird kind of stuff, you know, 189 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,720 stuff completely just vanishing you, stuff rolling across the floor. Yeah, 190 00:10:57,759 --> 00:10:59,480 and if there's a few sites we've been to as 191 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:02,240 well with we've had some interesting experience. We went to 192 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,480 the site in Italy. It's called Saturnia, and this is 193 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,960 in a saturn Kronos. It's supposed to be the oldest, 194 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,720 first ever built city in Italy and it's built by 195 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:16,120 the kind of giants or the gods, and hence the name. 196 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:19,879 Saturnia's got these polygonal cyclobian wolves around the town. This 197 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,639 spoo years hell. When you go out of the town, 198 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,720 you head down to the valleys, there's this kind of 199 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 a field of dolmens that were some of the earliest 200 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:31,440 sites in Italy that go back six thousand and seven 201 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,240 thousand years. And I went there once in two dimes 202 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,480 and eight and I felt odd then, you know. But 203 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:41,720 when I went back in twenty eighteen, JJ, we were 204 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:44,120 driving up there, and this is traditionally the kind of 205 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:46,919 a burial place of the giants and you're not supposed 206 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,799 to interfere with it or anything. So we drove there 207 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,519 about a mile half a mile before we got there, 208 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,799 I felt like something in my solar plexus go war. 209 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,519 You know, there's something kind of weird going on here. 210 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:59,960 We should be real careful, you know. JJ thinks I'm mad. 211 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,440 I'm going to say we should say some kind of 212 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,360 protection kind of spell, you know, something to protect us 213 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:07,919 before we go in there, and she just laughed at me. 214 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:10,360 So we got out of the car, opened up the 215 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,080 boot and we look over to the side. It's just 216 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,919 behind this fence and this tree is sixty foot tree 217 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,840 cracks in half and smashes down on one of the dolmens, 218 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,440 and we're just like, oh that is that is odd, 219 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,720 you know, and we were like, well, I should let 220 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:26,919 let's leave you, let's get out of this. This is 221 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,919 not because I could feel it before I got there. 222 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,960 I knew something was going on before I got there. 223 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 5: He was gonna ask him, was it was there any 224 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:34,799 wind at the sign? 225 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, no. Honestly, this was something out 226 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:45,679 weird because the lad win no nothing to suggest the 227 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,679 tree was fresh. We went and got photographs of it 228 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,960 and filmed it and everything. The tree was fresh. It 229 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,240 wasn't like you know it was, but you know, I 230 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:55,000 knew something was going on before we even got there. 231 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,480 So then we went in there. It all kicked off. 232 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,600 The next thing. Next thing we know, we walk in 233 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,799 and I can feel all this stuff going on. I 234 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:05,000 just feel this sort of you know, for the tingling, 235 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,360 and that you know, there's something around me, around JJ 236 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:14,240 as well. Within a minute, she's like screaming and running out, 237 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:16,960 sprinting out the site and locking herself from the car. 238 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,759 Dropped all her stuff on the opposite side of the dolments. 239 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:22,600 I had to walk through them to get them all. 240 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:25,000 And I said, I'll get a stuff, but I just 241 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,320 and I was freaking out a bit, you know, ask 242 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,840 you for protection this thing, and then I go and 243 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:31,559 get all this. I just spent a couple of minutes 244 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,320 getting a few little clips inside the dormant and go 245 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:36,559 in there and get it and all that. The next 246 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,120 thing I know, she's screaming from the car sharing run, 247 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,279 get out, run. I just got a boat with out 248 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:47,000 of it. She goes, Man, I saw these predator type 249 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:50,559 things in the trees coming around you as we got 250 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,039 out of there quick. And and to me, it felt 251 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:57,120 like it was like some you mentioned a portal earlier, Andy, 252 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,399 this is like it felt like this was like we're 253 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,799 ancient black magic. We're still prevalent. Were our timing was 254 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:07,600 pretty good off or you know, we turned up there 255 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,240 when stuff was kind of peeking or something. I don't 256 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,799 I don't know to this day, I can't quite understand it. 257 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,919 But when you say credit, we're you know, JJ, You'll 258 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:21,120 know we're pretty level headed, both of us. We're not 259 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:24,639 really into really far. Our staff were quite we're quite 260 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:28,039 kind of you know, I saw it. I gains you know, 261 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:31,799 kind of approaches to life and our research and everything else. 262 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:36,639 Looking for any you know, notoriety from this at all. 263 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,679 It's just it's just reports of what actually happened. 264 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: So when you say credit to things, these these were 265 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:45,320 kind of like glistening literally kind of like as if 266 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,480 there's auric fields of beings kind of around you, kind 267 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:49,720 of thing. 268 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,039 Speaker 4: I could, I mean, I could, I could, you know. 269 00:14:51,679 --> 00:14:53,440 I'm like I'm like a rock, you know, I can't 270 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,759 feel much, you know, I don't, you know, but I 271 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,080 felt it. Then I could feel stuff around me. I 272 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:01,639 knew there were stuff happening when I went in there. 273 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,919 You know, I could feel rushes of energy all over 274 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:07,279 my skin. There was like feel it's almost like a breeze, 275 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,919 like a moving pod around you, and you get the 276 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,399 cold shivering. I knew stuff was going on, and then 277 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,720 j J kind of caught something out almost like out 278 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,840 of a peripheral vision. It was almost like that. I said, look, 279 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,159 you have run get up, you know, so you have 280 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,639 to kind of Yeah, it's intriguing, but when you're dealing 281 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:28,600 with ancient sites, you're going into that kind of thing. 282 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,200 And I think the concients were very much aware of 283 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,000 all this and it was part of their part of 284 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,840 their kind of culture. And I don't think you must 285 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:39,679 know the book Damnonic Reality a by Patrick Harper, it 286 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,080 kind of goes into some of these kind of things. 287 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,559 It's an absolute gem of a book if you can 288 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,480 get a copy of that. Now, a lot of these 289 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:51,919 things we see as paranormal or supernatural are like always 290 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,840 like one step away. There always one step ahead. They're 291 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,960 always like you're always trying to grasp. You think you're 292 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,919 getting the answers to one of these kind of miss 293 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,159 street and it just takes another step away. Another level 294 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,720 of complexity goes beyond what you can grasp. And this 295 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:08,120 is like the very realm as well, very much. It's 296 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,320 like the you know, the early you know, chuncter crop circles. 297 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,240 It's like the ghost stuff as well, the uf even 298 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,200 the UFO you know phenomena. It has the same kind 299 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,000 of feeling about it. It's got the you know, you 300 00:16:21,039 --> 00:16:24,039 can't quite You think you're about to find something and 301 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,399 it just steps away from you and you can't quite 302 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:26,919 grasp it. 303 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,039 Speaker 5: That's quite common, and it's I don't blame you, I 304 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:32,120 mean it sounds. I mean it's very very rare for 305 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:36,279 trees to fall spontaneously. I mean they normally trees life cycle. 306 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:38,440 As it reaches it, it gets big and bigger and bigger, 307 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,639 and eventually there's it falls down in the wind. It's 308 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:43,559 blown down by the wind, along with all the other 309 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:46,679 phenomena you experience. I don't blame you for saying a 310 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,840 protection spell. I mean a few couple of weeks ago, 311 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:51,360 I went to Alistair Crowley's birthplace, the house in which 312 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,120 he was born, which is a sort of I had 313 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:56,320 to take a train of Lemington Spa and I did 314 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,399 a little protection spell before I went near that. 315 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: Even though it's only a. 316 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,519 Speaker 1: Play for your little baby, but yeah, it's it's worth doing. 317 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 4: Now. 318 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: I think that as you're living in this very old cottage, 319 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:13,000 Hue it as soon as you started talking about the 320 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:16,160 paranormal stuff coming up in the cottage, it reminded me 321 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:21,720 instantly of the Doddalston messages that happened in about nineteen 322 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,359 eighty five, which was a teacher in the village of 323 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:30,440 Doddalston or an early BBC microcomputer to teach someone how 324 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:32,279 to use, you know, a word processor, and they were 325 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:33,920 writing scripts on it, and they would leave the word 326 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,839 processor on, say switching it off, and they'd go down 327 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:38,319 the pub, and they'd come back and find all these 328 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,440 really weird messages on there, and there was no one 329 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,240 else in the house. But it was all written in 330 00:17:44,319 --> 00:17:48,799 early modern English. You know, Duff the has a horse 331 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,759 or something like that. Questions like that out come. It 332 00:17:50,839 --> 00:17:54,359 turned out to be this supposed spirit or someone talking 333 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,640 from the fifteenth or sixteenth century, but they were leaving 334 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,039 messages on a computer, which is really weird. But then 335 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:04,200 it got even weirder when they started geting messages from 336 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,640 the future twenty one oh nine, I think in the 337 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,519 year was quoted as where it's coming from the future 338 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:12,720 as well, So maybe that started off with pot guys 339 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:15,119 that activity as well chairs being stacked up in a 340 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,960 corner in a kitchen, all the tins of baked beans 341 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,119 or cat food or being stacked up neatly, things flying 342 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,079 off the wall, that kind of stuff. But then the 343 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,240 computer started to play hellock. So maybe if you want 344 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,519 is leave your computer on overnight. If some messages come 345 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,720 on there, you never know, it might be an inn, 346 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,039 a pair of your chair. 347 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 4: You know, I have a story. I have a story 348 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:39,720 about my computer, about what happened once with my computer. 349 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:42,599 You're going to look you're like this, Okay, So j 350 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,000 JJ went out. I was out, but JJ went over 351 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,559 to Stonehenge and she felt all this kind of like 352 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,359 almost like a fizzing kind of energy in the stones 353 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,680 and around her. She felt odd as something strange going. 354 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:57,519 I just couldn't kind of work out what's going on. 355 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,519 She came back home and then a few minutes later 356 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,519 I was out. I came back after you when she 357 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:06,640 told me, all but two guys looked almost identical like 358 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,079 we're black lopped on the door and she and this 359 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:14,799 fizz and energy was happening. This is kind of buzzing 360 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,039 kind of feeling. And I kept repeating can we come in? 361 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,240 Can we come in? And was like no, you cannot, No, 362 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,160 you cannot. And she eventually closed the door and thought, 363 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,079 this is very strange and there's energy eventually dissipated. But 364 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,079 I come back home that late that later that afternoon. 365 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,359 It was just during the day, it was it was 366 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,480 one of those humid, kind of muggy, weird days. Anyway, 367 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,960 I came back and I checked my computer, which is locked. 368 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,799 I lock it every time, you know, I've got you know, encrypted, 369 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:51,640 all this kind of stuff. I come back half of 370 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,839 my hard drive, as everything on it is vanished. Over 371 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,279 half just vanished and it must have happened. And that 372 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,960 was all happening, and like, what the hell? And luckily 373 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,640 I backed it up three days earlier, so I had 374 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,559 the whole thing backed up, but I lost half of 375 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:09,279 my life. I checked. I just looked at my hard 376 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:11,559 drive symbol on the Mac and just went, why is 377 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,039 that half the amount? The hell? And half of it 378 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,440 just being like systematically deleted off it, you know, like 379 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:21,680 from ab so you do know, don't have halfway through 380 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,319 the ALP but kind of thing. It was like really, 381 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:24,960 and it's like what how I mean, I don't know 382 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,240 how to explain that to this day, because that just 383 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:31,000 doesn't happen. You don't. You never things just don't vanish 384 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,640 off your computer, especially when you have two men in 385 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,200 black turn I'll well, well that's it. 386 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 5: I'm just going to say they were like the men 387 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:38,279 It sounds like a men in black en counter and 388 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:41,359 you're getting strange people turning up. I mean, there may 389 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,599 well be a connection between this disappearing data. 390 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:49,279 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, what was that disappeared? I don't know. 391 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,319 I think to me it was like just just half 392 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,079 of my computer had gone. I don't know what. I 393 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,799 don't really know. I can't remember what exactly that was, 394 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:03,119 but I'm just delighted I had a backups. 395 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,319 Speaker 1: Always good to sud thing's up, you know, because you 396 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,720 look how that novels of ancient civilizations written by two 397 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:17,880 men in black and that's your aunt. So, Hugh, if 398 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,759 we move away from the men in black and haunted cottages, 399 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,559 you've got some interesting tales of faces you're visited. And 400 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:27,000 I can't remember these places, but what's what's the first 401 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,359 place you want to tell us about? Which is I 402 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,079 know you've been doing a lot of interviews about it. 403 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, this, well, this sort of stuff. Down in southeast Turkey, 404 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,839 we've got like you've got mainly Quebecley Tepe that's the 405 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,480 main site, and then you've got more recently he's been 406 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:46,519 excavated as Carahan Tepe, where myself and JJ May this 407 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:53,079 remarkable winter Solstice alignment discovery where this huge human stone 408 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,759 head kind of gets illuminated this portholestone in this kind 409 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:02,720 of strange, semi subterranean kind of pit with all these 410 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:05,559 rock carved pillars carved at a bedrock inside it. It's 411 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:08,720 h I mean, that's a spooky, it's hell this place. 412 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,119 Some people have said that's like it was buried because 413 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,839 it was some weird dark stuff going on there. So 414 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,880 we discovered that and it kind of blew our minds 415 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,359 and it opened up this whole thing, and they're excavating 416 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,440 this whole site. And the thing is, it's like we've 417 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,519 got this precise witness solstice alignment at site which is 418 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:27,000 nearly what eleven eleven and a half thousand years old, 419 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:34,160 and it perfectly encapsulated and recorded the the winness solstice 420 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,039 Sunwright suggesting that they were definitely doing this that far back, 421 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,039 which is kind of unheard or although now I found 422 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,200 other a place around the world that were possibly even older, 423 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,279 which I'm going to be getting into an our next book. 424 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,119 But with Gbecley tape as well, it's like a multi 425 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,599 there's kind of sister sites to each other. Car out 426 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:58,519 the southeast, about twenty five miles southeast of Chandlerfa, which 427 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:01,240 is the main city in that region, is the ancient 428 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,000 Abrahamic city, the Pools of Abraham. You have the birthplace 429 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:09,000 of Abraham, you have the biblical stories there and things 430 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:12,400 like this. But just northeast to the northwest of they've 431 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,079 just got northeast. You've got Rebecular Tap near the city, 432 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,400 and that's the main site that's been known about since 433 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,519 the nineteen nineties. However, they've now found twelve more sites officially, 434 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:28,359 but actually there's thirty eight some people say one hundred 435 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:34,400 Tory with all these beautiful rock cut temples, you've got 436 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:37,480 tea pillars and these kind of circles, all these very 437 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:41,960 specific geometries which I've been finding, all with decision measurements 438 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,039 and leaf carvings and things like this, and it just 439 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:47,759 makes you wonder who on Earth was doing this At 440 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:49,680 the end of the last I says, because this is 441 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,000 much more technical and beautiful and precise than staninghand or 442 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,880 anything in Britain. Even it also almost metes stuff in 443 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,319 Egypt or Peru. It's that insane, and so so that 444 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,240 is our kind of focus. I've done a little book 445 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,279 on it. I've done my little wooden book on back 446 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,759 to Terbey and Carahanterbury the world's first megaliths. That's been 447 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,720 out for a while. It's coming out and just coming 448 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:14,960 out in America, and we're working on a bigger version 449 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,000 myself and JJ. Actually we've found tons of other stuff 450 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,799 now and it hasn't really been covered that my share. 451 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,519 Any other person really working on it is Andrew Collins, 452 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,480 who's a good friend of ours. You know, we've been 453 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:30,720 working he's a little my mental already been working with 454 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,960 him for many years now. But it's just what's coming 455 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,839 out of the ground there is insane because most of 456 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,119 it was completely deliberately buried, most of it, and so 457 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,960 at the end of its use, you know, a couple 458 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,160 of fifteen hundred years of use, then it's completely new. 459 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:52,559 Back then it's about ten thousand years ago, just less 460 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:59,759 what it's throe. And the thing is they stayed buried 461 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,160 until the nineteen nineties, so right near you know, if 462 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,279 you think about Chandeler for this is like a major 463 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,720 city in along the Silk Road connecting with the Middle 464 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:16,279 East with Anatolia. This was loads of stuff going on 465 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,279 in Biblical times, Roman times, by Zantines, even like Alexander 466 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,799 the Great had a thing going on. All this history 467 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 happened there going back thousands of years, but no one 468 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,920 knew anything about Quebec Lutepe and these thirty eight sites 469 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,519 that are coming out of the ground now, which is 470 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,319 like a whole chapter of human history is completely not 471 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,279 been there until recently, and so everything has to be 472 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:46,279 rewritten now. This is what's happening. This is like, you know, people, 473 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:48,960 you know, it's like it's almost like the kind of 474 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,039 time of Atlantis, you know, the alleged Atlantis. This is 475 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:57,279 that era. You know, people talk about this Atlantean times, 476 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,400 this memory of this lost civilization. It now appears it 477 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,240 was actually out on the rocky hills of southeast Turkey, 478 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,480 you know. And this is also people are saying this 479 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,279 is the kind of traditional area of the Garden of Eden. 480 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,680 This is something that has being talked about by Andrew Collins, 481 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,000 a lot written about by him over the years. So 482 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,359 you know, there's a lot to consider when you're looking 483 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,119 at this part of the world. This is really the 484 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,839 time of discovery. Big excavations are taking place. There's a 485 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,359 whole project they're called it Test Tepelo, which means Stone 486 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Hills or Sacred Stone Hills. And yeah, we're headed back 487 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,279 out there literally and in a week or so, just 488 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:42,319 to run another tour out there, but also to look 489 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,400 around see what else has been uncovered. 490 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,319 Speaker 5: So you know, it's really what's what's remarkable course of 491 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,640 the antiquity of this site and it's sophistication for something 492 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,519 that essentially is neolithic. And also you mentioned that you 493 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:01,200 mentioned Atlantis. This is like finding Atlantis chronology in that 494 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,440 is given in Plato's Atlantis actually matches when this site 495 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,519 has been dated to as if in ancient Greek times 496 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,480 there was some kind of historical record of the culture 497 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:13,319 that might have built it, which has since been lost 498 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,599 in comparably recent side. We're talking the last two millennia. 499 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:21,640 And the third issue I think is remarkable is that 500 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,799 the modern the modern establishment in Turkey, the scientific establishment, 501 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,640 is not happy about these excavations. And according to people 502 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,079 i'd been there, the site owner has been like refusing 503 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,880 permission for digs and things like that, as if they 504 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,240 don't want they don't want this era of history uncovered. 505 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 4: For some reason, there has been a bit of that year, 506 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,519 there's been a bit of There's been a lot of 507 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:51,000 controversy just very recently actually about the owners of gebecley Tepe. 508 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:58,880 They planted olive trees all over the site, digging as such, 509 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,559 but so it could have been affected the archaeology, the 510 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,359 roots going into the archaeology. It was Jimmy Corsetti of 511 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:13,200 Bright Inside uh Nikki Jones and they've all been doing 512 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,319 stuff out there. They went there recently to have a 513 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,960 look and they've been pushing to get more excavated at 514 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,759 uebec the tap because it's very very small amount has 515 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,799 been excavated, and this is like the smoking gun of 516 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,079 like the missing chapter of human history. So why aren't 517 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,880 they going for it? Why are they pausing? You know, 518 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,599 why are they slowing down so much? I think that 519 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,759 that needs to be addressed. And you know, it's something 520 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,880 we were kind of campaigning for. It's almost like they 521 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,960 want to give it away to future generations to excavate 522 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,880 it rather than do it all now, which we don't understand. 523 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,119 We just don't get. We don't we don't get that 524 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,519 way of thinking. So, yes, it's unfortunate, but there's the 525 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,480 there's the tourist dollar to consider. They're building the infrastructure 526 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:58,720 for that. They're funded by what's called the Dogos group, 527 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,039 and these are who are funded by the w e F, 528 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,400 which is a whole conspiracy theory in its own right. 529 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,640 And but yeah, so there's a lot to think about 530 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,119 when you're kind of, you know, dealing with the kind 531 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,319 of very high level official stuff, especially in Turkey, because's political. 532 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,279 It's got this religious thing going on, because you're down 533 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,960 in southeast Turkey. There's a kind of Islamic thing there, 534 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,400 there's a crystal thing, You're on the border with Syria. 535 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,960 You've got the Kurds who they kind of took out 536 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,559 many years ago, and they're still like memories and trauma 537 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,599 from that. So there's this whole kind of problem area 538 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,799 really going on down there. So they have to tread 539 00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:44,400 carefully whatever. And I just get concerned that they're going 540 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,319 to they're going to start finding stuff that they can't 541 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:52,599 really explain. I think it's so so amazing what they 542 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,680 found already. I think they're hesitant to dig too much 543 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,680 because they keep finding that they could find something that's 544 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,960 just completely gonna rewrite history. 545 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,519 Speaker 3: Do you think that they're taking orders from dark suited 546 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,240 people about saying don't touch this cover this up. 547 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows. I mean, it's really big us in 548 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:19,279 independent something. The thing is, we really are not particularly 549 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,359 liked by the officials out there because me and Andrews 550 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,920 sort of the only, you know, the main people really 551 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,720 talking about this any people doing us. It's the most 552 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,359 fascinating thing happening on the planet right now, and so 553 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,200 we kind of, you know, always talking about it, always 554 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,559 publishing on it, right writing about it, making videos everything else, 555 00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:45,519 do podcasts, you can talk as well. You kind of 556 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,960 enjoyed doing and yeah, so I don't know if there's 557 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,799 anything deliberate, but what I do know is that there's 558 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,720 they're very careful with the way they're approaching everything, and 559 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880 they don't like there's a lot of people like this 560 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,279 Jimmy corsetting, and they don't like them because they're actually 561 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:06,480 exposing some stuff about what's going on out there. Myself, 562 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,240 and Andrew and JJ would kind of you know, we 563 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,000 keep on, you know, we don't say too much. We 564 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,319 say the right amount of stuff because you know, we 565 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,119 don't want because you can get banned from there. You know, 566 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,680 I've been threatened with being banned, so is Andrew Jimi 567 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,960 is being threatened with it. Now as well, and they're 568 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,519 serious out there. You don't mess about, you know, you 569 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:24,880 don't want you don't want to end up in a 570 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,680 Turkish pruism for doing anything they deem illegal, that's for sure. 571 00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,759 So yeah, so you've got to you know, the fact 572 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,480 is they've excavated quite a lot. They've done the good 573 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,480 amount of Carahan Tap Pay. There's new sites being excavated, 574 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:45,000 like say Birch another site which is remarkable. There's other 575 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,400 sites like chack mac Tampey which is even older than 576 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,599 go Back. There's Sophia Tape, which I see near Carahan 577 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,000 Tap out of the Tech Tech Mountains. And so there's 578 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,680 a whole civilization to be found out there. That's the 579 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,880 thing we're not We're not talking about one or two 580 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,759 stone circles. We're talking each these sites has multiple structures. 581 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:13,839 You know, Quebec lu Tepe has a least quen sized 582 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,920 stone circles carved, some of them carved from bedrock with 583 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960 beautiful three D relief carvings to such a high level 584 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,519 you would think they were done by modern artists. And 585 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:24,880 yet this is at the end of the last time. 586 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,359 These were hunting gatherers supposedly doing this, and so you 587 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,880 have to think what on Earth is going on? And 588 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200 then I've been looking into the geometry of all these sights, 589 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,599 the fact that I've been doing it in the last 590 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,079 few days, and it's been driving me mad. To be 591 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,880 honest with you, I've got to admit this, and just trying 592 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,599 to work out and back engineer the geometry of the 593 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,720 stone circles there is and it proves beyond doubt that 594 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,640 they were doing this and they and some of the 595 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,200 some of the geometric designs are identical to what we 596 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,920 find in British stone circles and in France as well, 597 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,759 and even napped a player in Egypt which goes back 598 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,160 seven and a half thousand, eight thousand year is there's 599 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,160 very specific geometrical constructions and obviously been working on it. 600 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,119 I've got a whole pad of kind of technical stuff 601 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,920 I've been doing with compasses and pencils and protractors and 602 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,160 things like that. She's trying to work out how they 603 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,240 did it, and it is they definitely were doing geometry, 604 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,960 and I think you know, and they also have very 605 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,079 specific measurement systems which are all based on Earth measures 606 00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,880 as well, and so they must have had an understanding 607 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,440 of the size and shape of the Earth. So you've 608 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,279 got things like that. I mean, how on earth could 609 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,319 that be happening? Who was given them the information? How 610 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,599 did they acquire it? And then JJ has been j. 611 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,119 J Ainsworth and my partner, we're working on a book 612 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,880 together as well. She's been looking at the astro mythology 613 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,920 of it and found that they were studying arstok of 614 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,079 very something called the Golden Gate of the Ecliptic and 615 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,480 all the symbolism of that is marked within these sites. Yeah, 616 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,440 the archaeologists and the academics, right you are putting said, no, 617 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,319 there was no astronomy, there's no geometry, nothing, you can't 618 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,039 have any of that. They all had roofs on, you know, 619 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,519 temporary so they never looked at the sky, which is 620 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:15,400 just utterly absurd. So yes, so there's like an uphill 621 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,519 bat already. But we're just to we really want to 622 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,320 present it in you know, the way it should be 623 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,360 presented to the world. We don't want to kind of 624 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,039 it's being presented by the officials and the Archaiolo has 625 00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,480 been like this mundane domestic site. It was like just 626 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:33,480 like a village that was it and nothing special. It's 627 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,480 to us. We know it's special, we know it's remarkable, 628 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,360 and it's going to basically suddenly it's rewriting history as 629 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:40,880 we speak. 630 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:46,159 Speaker 1: So I actually dive into this with the information these 631 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,360 archaeologists are digging up these places and they're discovering it. 632 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,000 How do you kind of get that latest information from them, 633 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,840 because are they likely to take a long time to 634 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,480 interpret it to understand what the finding before you can 635 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,440 then re channel that information out to the greater populace 636 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,239 or you. I don't know, how does it work with 637 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,440 you sort of coming in and following them directly. 638 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,159 Speaker 4: Well, we just go there twice, two or three times 639 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:18,280 a year and just go to the sites. We talk 640 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,920 with the families to own the land. We we document 641 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,400 everything as it's found. Really. Yeah, obviously as soon as 642 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,320 anything's published by the archaeologist, Woul put that out as well. 643 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,519 So that's yeah, of course, And I've got a huge 644 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,440 amount of respect for the work they're doing out there. 645 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239 Really it's hard work because you know, you look at 646 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,519 some of the sites they're dealing with, They've got to 647 00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:47,000 go down like twenty thirty feet rubble stone and dirt 648 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,920 just to get to the top. Of these stones, you know, 649 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,480 so and they got you know, they have to be 650 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,559 really careful as they go down because these were very 651 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,199 heavily buried and deliberately so in most cases. Although there 652 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,880 is evidence of a slope slider quebeculity tap paintment in 653 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,519 the main area and so there's but to us, you know, 654 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,079 we we we when it comes to understanding these sites. 655 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,800 The work the archaeologists do is stell. They do the 656 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,199 hard work, they do the graph they do all the bandying, 657 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,079 they do the analysis you know, scientific methods, dating and 658 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,440 everything else, and that is brilliant. But when it comes 659 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,360 down to interpretation, that's where you've got to get other 660 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440 people in, you know, interpreting these sites. And that's one 661 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,039 of the things I'm very strongly focused on, is you know, 662 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,280 getting people who got expertise in geometry or astronomy and 663 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,719 things like this, or you know, mathematics for the numbers 664 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,000 and the symbolism and things like. You know, you can't 665 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,159 just rely on archaeologists to do that. They're not trained 666 00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:48,920 in many of these different other disciplines. They're trained in 667 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,119 archaeology and then for apology maybe you know so you know, 668 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,400 so that's where That's what it kind of comes down to, 669 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,920 you know, and I'm an obsessive, you know, I'm a 670 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,559 possessive like ceciles, like geometry and the numbers, things like that. 671 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,119 So I keep finding all these things associated which are 672 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:10,199 the same. That's what the old canon of number science, 673 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,760 which has been around for note about thousands of years, 674 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,800 like through the work of John Michelle, John Neil and 675 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,280 Robin Heath and now Howard Crowhurst people Adam Tetlow, And 676 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,440 I'm sort of part of that sort of way of 677 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,000 thinking because you know, you can really understand a culture 678 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,880 once you know how they thought, and like when they're 679 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,880 laying out the geometry of a sight, you can actually 680 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,679 work it out how they did it, you know, if 681 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:37,360 you've got a compass and you've got a bit of 682 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,800 understanding so and so what I've I've been literally doing that, 683 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,480 and I'd be like, oh, why highly technical? You know, 684 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,800 this is like they're not just coming up with these 685 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,000 shapes by chance. They have to lay it all out 686 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:54,000 and then carve it into the bedrock and then place 687 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:59,320 pillars very very specifically around this geometry, you know, with 688 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,360 these as in very specific orientations to specific you know, 689 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,960 sometimes the stars sometimes to the winter solstice sometimes too. 690 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,760 There's no put that they have been understanding of north, south, 691 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,760 east and west as well. And also they the way 692 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,320 that the sites are placed across the landscape sometimes harmonically placed. 693 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,519 They're like they're surveying, they're going beyond just the one 694 00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:26,920 site and going into across the entire landscape. So yeah, 695 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,719 so when you start seeing things like that, you realize 696 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,480 you're dealing with something very special. Mm hmm. 697 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,519 Speaker 1: So with the fact that it's getting buried, or you 698 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,079 think it's being deliberately buried, is there any theories put 699 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:39,400 forward to why that might be so? 700 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,559 Speaker 4: Well, there's so there's it's been a big debate. So 701 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,360 the original it's actually you know, in a kind of 702 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,119 that kind of realm, there's like big debate about that 703 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,599 because clearly the sites have been buried. You know Carahan 704 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,400 Tepe definitely deliberately buried. The thing about that site, it 705 00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:59,880 was some of the statues were broken, they were like 706 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,599 fell apart, they'd been broken in specific places and then 707 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,440 placed and other things were placed in certain areas and 708 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,920 then it was buried with all these three specific capt 709 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:19,159 of soil, dirt, rock, things like this and it was 710 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,639 a long time thought. Beckley Tepe was like this as well. 711 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,639 But then they found that there was actually actually like 712 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,400 a sort of slope slide where stuff built up around 713 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,559 the edge of the main enclosures on this sort of hill, 714 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:33,800 fell inwards and kind of buried part of it. And 715 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,480 they're trying to put forward that it's what the archaeologists doing. 716 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,079 They're trying to put forward that that's all it was. 717 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,679 It was just accidental, there's no deliberate burial, like the 718 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,840 original archaeologist said. But it contradicts all the other sites 719 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,119 which were definitely deliberately buried. So there there's all this 720 00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:50,920 debate about this, but it was part of their tradition. 721 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,079 It seems it's something that Mesmari Keral he's the head 722 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:59,039 archaeologist Carahan Teppe wrote in a paper when because what's 723 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,840 called a or the pillar shrine where you have these 724 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,760 upright pillars with a stone head that gets illuminated on 725 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,280 the winter solstice, that was very carefully buried to it 726 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:11,440 immeculately like it was. They had specialists come in and 727 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,960 do that because they wanted to preserve it. And likewise, 728 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,360 Beckley Teppe, there's evidence of rebuilding repairs, putting things back 729 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,239 in place, placing ornaments, statues, and artifacts, and then burying 730 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,880 it over, you know, so it's almost like they were 731 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,599 bearing it like a like a burial, like a person 732 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,880 with all their kind of you know, paraphernalia. Even though 733 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,000 there's very little evidence of human burials. The sides were 734 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:41,920 what they're burying, not the humans. 735 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,119 Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's always if they're trying to hide the 736 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:48,639 past or maybe I'm trying to think of various possible 737 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,639 reasons that come to mind. I'm obviously not trained in 738 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760 archaeology or anything, and I'm thinking, okay, maybe they wanted 739 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,039 to hide it for some reason, maybe religious reasons, it 740 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:03,199 contradicts other things in biblical terms or something maybe, or 741 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:22,400 could be an earthquake maybe that buried it. I don't know. Okay, 742 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,199 here's part two of our show with Hugh Newman and Andy. 743 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,119 He was asking a question to Hugh concerning the sub burials. 744 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:32,480 I guess it was. 745 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 3: Just a lead on from what you were saying, Neil, 746 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,480 in terms of these ancient artifacts and monuments being buried 747 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,440 and why they would want to do it. Like one 748 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480 speculation that maybe I could put forward is maybe there 749 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,039 was a civilization that felt that they had to move 750 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,679 and had to shift on, and maybe the whole burial 751 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,079 thing was to keep the essential things hidden with a 752 00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:56,440 view to at some point someday going back to it 753 00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,480 now from what I understand in Turkey and correct me 754 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,280 if I'm wrong, Hue. And there's quite a lot of 755 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,639 underground tunnels and caverns and places where people have hidden 756 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,599 for whatever reason. And we don't quite know what the 757 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:14,119 reason was, but there's apparently layers and layers of tunnels. 758 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,239 Could a civilization have kind of buried everything upsticks gone 759 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,920 to these tunnels for whatever reason with a view at 760 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,920 some point to going back. 761 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 4: It's a good point. Yeah, there's a there's a lot 762 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,760 of these underground cities. There's the most famous one is 763 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,679 darren Kokuou, which is in kind of Cabadocia, kind of 764 00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,920 central Turkey. But they, I mean, there's actually two hundred 765 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,840 underground cities have been recorded. About thirty of these go 766 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,159 multiple levels down two hundred or one or two levels. 767 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,679 There's some have been found got too far from Beckley Tepe. 768 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480 There's one has been found in a place called Midiat, 769 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,480 which is you know a couple of one hundred or 770 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,119 so miles to the east, going into the kind of 771 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,639 area where the whole other was very ancient, even earlier 772 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,960 than Quebecley taping. There's some sites in that area. Then 773 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,159 they found some of Conya near Chattel Hooyak, which was 774 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,239 a couple of thousand years later than quebecuy was in 775 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,400 central Turkey. So yeah, there's a whole bunch of them. 776 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,840 And that one of the things that I've been been 777 00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:21,960 right in about is there are some evidence that Andrew 778 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,599 Collins had pointed this out to me, this very unusual 779 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,960 old book which they still sell. It's like a tourist book. 780 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,079 But the guy who wrote it was actually an archaeologist, 781 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,199 like back in the sixties, and he said he was 782 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,639 trying to work out where because you think about Darren Cuyu, 783 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,559 it's like five levels down, possibly many more. Originally this 784 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,519 amount of two for rock we had to remove. No 785 00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:49,119 one knows what happened to it. That we were talking 786 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,800 millions of tons of it, and people have been trying 787 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,840 to say this guy actually he went to the rivers 788 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,079 nearby and found evidence of all this two for powder 789 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,000 and rubble that come out of the caves, found evidence 790 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,440 of Paleolithic and Mesolithic spearheads and arrow points and things 791 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:11,760 like that within this kind of debry that came out 792 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,559 of garrin Cuu or associated underground cities. So he realized 793 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:18,719 that they could be super ancient, not especially the first 794 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,320 couple of levels they're always the most ancient. Then further 795 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,039 you go down, people builds on the building up and 796 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:27,639 they're building down into the ground, and the first level 797 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,519 or two are really much better quality, and they're clearly 798 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,000 you can see the kind of tool marks, and they're 799 00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:37,320 made the antler and you know, flint, the pebble and 800 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,360 stuff like that is carving it, rather than later cultures 801 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,199 on the lower levels where they can clearly see the 802 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,599 metal and the Hittites, the Bronze age or things like this. 803 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,159 And so they could be super ancient. They could have 804 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,239 been even older than could be Tepe, some of them, 805 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,159 and they may have actually been built to protect themselves 806 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:57,599 from the younger dryas that was going on. The impact 807 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,880 vans the I mean because even you know what, one 808 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,559 hundred and fifty two hundred miles south of Gobecley Tepe, 809 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,480 there's a cyc called Abu Herrera, which got destroyed by 810 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,760 a cometary air burst which they found evidence of extreme 811 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,000 heating on the kind of rock particles and the sand 812 00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:19,639 glassy sand that was produced from it. And that happened 813 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,000 at the end of the last night, and that's near 814 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:22,960 enough to go Beeckley Tepe for them to like know 815 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,480 about it. And it was just you know, a little 816 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:29,480 time before Gobeckley Tepe. So this stuff was happening in Turkey. 817 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,119 It's a good reason to go underground. And like you said, 818 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,079 after fifteen hundred years of use at these sites to 819 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,599 beecay tepey carry out time, they once they covered them over, 820 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,639 they appeared to leave. So was other stuff happening? Was 821 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,280 there other kind of incidents happening in the kind of 822 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,639 in the atmosphere around them they had to go and 823 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,440 kind of get underground for I mean, we really don't know, 824 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:56,599 but it's compelling because this era of history is just 825 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:01,719 there's nothing there. There's like there's no it's being completely forgotten. 826 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,880 So everyone's trying to piece it back together. 827 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: It's it's like they're trying to hide their technology and 828 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,360 history completely wipe it off the map. So how did 829 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,360 people discover the fact that these places might likely be 830 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,119 buried there was. It sounded like photos looking at the 831 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,679 land mass and thinking there looks like disturbance there or something. 832 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty three, an American archaeologist called Peter Benedict 833 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:35,320 along doing a survey of the area, just like general 834 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,599 university survey of different parts of the world they do, 835 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,920 and they found with Beckley Tepe basically found it. They 836 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:42,280 founded the mound on the hill. They found all these stones, 837 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,519 but because there have been some later internmental burials there 838 00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:51,880 from the Islamic people in the area, they thought maybe 839 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,199 this were an earlier cemetery just before that, maybe it 840 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,840 was Byzantine, which is around the Roman era, and because 841 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,559 there's Roman evidence in the area, well, so they just 842 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,199 assumed these blocks were his gravestones. But they are actually 843 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,599 segments of T shaped pillars that would obviously be sticking 844 00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:11,480 out of the grounds suddenly first discovered then, but it wasn't. 845 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,519 I told the nineteen nineties when Klaus Schmidt was following 846 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,519 up with this that he found a couple of statues 847 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,960 that had been given to the museum by the landowners. 848 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,679 One of them was of a male kind of holding 849 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,440 his pallas. Another one was a kind of section of 850 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,719 a tea pillar and the lizard on it. And so 851 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,199 when he saw those, go where did these come from? 852 00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,440 And he kind of relocated where they were and that's 853 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,760 when he realized he was onto something because he'd also 854 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,199 found another site called Devali Turi, which was a smaller 855 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,639 version of Quebec with about a thousand years later and 856 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,199 but nothing really kind of came from that. That was 857 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,119 in nineteen eighty three, in the early eighties. I mean 858 00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:55,000 they got completely covered over by the all from the 859 00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,800 dam being built. He had to take down, so that's vanished, 860 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,519 but they took it stone by stone, saved it and 861 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,679 now it's on just the whole actual site is on 862 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,280 displaying channeler for a museum the Valley Jewelry, which means 863 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,920 Valley and the Plague and so that so that was intriguing. 864 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,280 So he realized that maybe some other sites and that's 865 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,079 when he started digging quebecu Teppe. It was like, oh, 866 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,840 he quietly did the dig for four or five years, 867 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,559 didn't even announce it to the world to two thousand, 868 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,840 so they kept it really quiet and it's like, so 869 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:27,280 it's pretty incredible. And Andrew Collins he went there in 870 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,920 two thousand and four so he was there right at 871 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,440 the beginning of the excavation. Now a whole section of 872 00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,800 it's been uncovered in a massive visitors center that has 873 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,639 been built, you know, And so that's kind of how 874 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,679 it got. I mean, even Carahan Teppite until twenty twenty one. 875 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,280 We were visiting there since I've been going there since 876 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,000 twenty fourteen, and like all you see, of course, this 877 00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:50,079 whole hill is these little kind of what looked like 878 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,840 slabs of stone in pairs across the whole hill, just 879 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,119 sticking up out of the ground a few inches and 880 00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:59,280 now the tops of T shaped pillars of these giant 881 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,239 stone circles closures. And so we were going there for 882 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,719 years and never thought anything spectacular was going to be 883 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,800 found there. But when they started excavating in twenty twenty one, yeah, 884 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,960 it was spectacular. It's one of the most impressive sites 885 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,480 pretty much in the world. Wow. 886 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: And slightly on a different tangent. I know, there's been 887 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,440 in the news recently a lot of stuff about Egypt 888 00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:26,719 and pyramids and things like that, So do you know 889 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,760 much about what they've been discovering there. 890 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,559 Speaker 4: That, Yeah, there's this. We were in Egypt recently, me 891 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,920 and Andrew actually and we managed to go underground under 892 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,159 the Gezer plateau close to where all these discoveries are 893 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,039 being made. This was a cave system that Andrew discovered 894 00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,840 in two thousand and eight called the Tomb of the Birds, 895 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:50,159 officially called NC two, and the gate was kind of open, 896 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,199 so we went in and had a look, as you do. 897 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,159 But he'd already discovered it, and that documented this. It 898 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,840 became it's actually I'm known as Collins caves you know 899 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,800 by Sahi are called say you as called it that 900 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,039 you know, so he's been recognized as a discovery. But 901 00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,320 this leads to underneath Cafray's pyramid. Caffres pyramid is the 902 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,920 middle one, the big middle one, the geese and platter 903 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,559 and yes, so all this stuff came out in mid 904 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:21,800 March from they called the Cafre research project team for 905 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,519 the Italian Armando May and Filipo Byondi, who are actually 906 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,239 coming to speak at our conference in November, by the way, 907 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,880 because they're very interesting people. And the technic they're using 908 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,800 basically satellite scanning technology, but it's all about be able 909 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,079 to do stuff with the data effectively, and they've patented 910 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:48,360 this way of doing it. Which is incredibly interesting and 911 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,159 it could open up a whole world of satellite underground archaeology. Now, 912 00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:55,440 so we are keen to meet I meeting them in 913 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,440 America a couple of conferences I'm speaking. But what they 914 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,800 found based is that they found loads of anomalies under 915 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,280 the Middle Pyramid going way down. They claim there's like 916 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:11,039 eight kind of my cylindrical sections going down or space 917 00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:15,039 to part equally with giant captives beneath them. And even 918 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,079 at the base of the pyramid itself they found what 919 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,880 they believe other chambers, and they've noted that there's even 920 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,639 a normally is under the Great Pyramid. There's normalies under 921 00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:29,119 different areas of the Geezer Plateau, and so yes, it's 922 00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,559 pretty exciting. But I mean coor of me is the 923 00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:35,760 authorities came out dismissed the whole thing and claiming it 924 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,000 is nothing there, you know, there's nothing doing. So yeah, 925 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,199 so we were lucky enough to get under the Geese 926 00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,840 Plato and actually get into this close to this area ourselves. 927 00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,320 And there's a whole thing about that now, because something 928 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,880 Andrew's been talking about, I'm talking about it a bit 929 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,719 as well. So if you actually look around Cafree's pyramid. 930 00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:59,679 This is clearly the oldest one, the oldest constructions on 931 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,599 the gear as a Platt were there, They're not the 932 00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:04,760 Great Pyramid. They seemed to be there, and they were 933 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,559 working into the bedrock just like they do at Camerahan 934 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:11,639 Teppe and Pebecay Tepe, and so a lot of speculation 935 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,360 going on around. You know, was there a connection between 936 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,519 these cultures and is actually their kind of evidence of 937 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,000 the style of designer working into the bedrock as prevalent 938 00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,559 at Cameraan Tape and Beckley Tepe. Also this part of 939 00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:29,719 the Giza plata and hence are these underground areas connected 940 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,840 because it makes as a genuine underground area. At the 941 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,239 say Birch site, for instance, when we were there a 942 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,239 couple of years ago, we discovered this sloping giant tunnel 943 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,760 going three hundred feet into the ground, another test table 944 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,280 the site, and no one has documented these. We we 945 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,400 kind of these people to like write talk about them 946 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,320 and okay, just have zero interest in them. Were like, 947 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,760 what how is this real? And you know, so we're 948 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,639 finding stuff like that in Turkey, just by Gavi. We 949 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,639 just spend time there and we look around, we talk 950 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,760 to the locals. We kind of, you know, get to 951 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,880 know people. They like us. We're really nice to them 952 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,119 and everything we do we kind of help them and so. 953 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,000 But yeah, so what is going on in Egypt? I 954 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,400 think I think, to be honest with you, I think 955 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,840 there's something about it. It's been dismissed by a lot 956 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,360 of people as complete fakery, but I don't. I don't 957 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,920 think so. I think there's something going to be It's 958 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,519 going to come out. It might take a few years, 959 00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,559 but I think it's going to come out as something 960 00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:28,719 quite astounding. 961 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,039 Speaker 3: If you were if you were going to guess what 962 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,679 it might be, what the purpose of it might be, 963 00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:37,199 because some people have mentioned like energy fields and tesla 964 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,119 coils or something along those lines, what would your guests be. 965 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,800 Speaker 4: Well, they put the thing with the actual Italians who 966 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,320 did did the initial scans or analyze the scans. They 967 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,880 saying they looked like JED pillars d J E. D pillars, 968 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,880 which is a traditional kind of symbol you find all 969 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,159 over the place in Egypt. Some people are saying something 970 00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,000 to do with the kind of energy or healing or 971 00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:06,440 something like this, But when you look at it, it's 972 00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,800 like it looks really technical because they used aire what 973 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,119 it could have looked like and things like this, and 974 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,079 it looked mind blowing. I mean, it went all over 975 00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:20,079 the world, got in newspapers. We had our video. We 976 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,320 did a video on it right away because we've been 977 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,840 in the under the Giza player that a few weeks before. 978 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:25,079 Speaker 5: Then. 979 00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,159 Speaker 4: I thought wow, and I went viral. We've got a 980 00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,880 million views in like two weeks and stuff like that. 981 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,119 It's like crazy. So everyone's very interested in it, and 982 00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,719 I think for good reason. But what it's used for, 983 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,199 that's a whole other story. No one knows actually, I 984 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,920 mean until you get down there, until you're allowed to 985 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,559 go in there, or at least get GPR scans as well, 986 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,079 like go around with a little kind of trolley GPR 987 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,719 thing see what else is going on there. But there's 988 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,280 a lot of people kind of focused on it, and 989 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,559 it's good. There's a lot of traction being made with it, 990 00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,400 and it's just frustrating, like because you want to go 991 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,599 in and have a loo. You know, the archaeologists claim 992 00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,000 there's nothing, there won't be anything because of the water 993 00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,000 level would be up to there. But actually if you 994 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,800 look at if you a should go with the geezer platter. 995 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,840 It's like almost at the top of the platea and 996 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,360 you know, the sphinx and everything is way further down, 997 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,840 much lower altitude, you know, so they said at the 998 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,039 water table. Actually they probably it's much lower underneath that 999 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:27,159 pyramid than anywhere else. So yeah, so what it was useful, 1000 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:28,320 I don't know. But I tell you what though, when 1001 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,719 I was there in twenty seventeen, we've got a little 1002 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,559 bit of power or what a little bit a ball 1003 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,880 of light. I filmed it. I could send you the clip. 1004 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,599 I filmed this ball of light going up the side 1005 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:44,719 of Cafe's pyramid, perfect flying up to the top. And 1006 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,199 even now I got it as I was moving the 1007 00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,079 camera to film something else, and that freaked me out. 1008 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,119 So that could prove there's something odd going on there. 1009 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 5: What that is, we don't know, but it's really this 1010 00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,840 is really controversial, and I've been following online. Has caused 1011 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,119 an absolute explosion of information and counter information, and there's 1012 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,159 a lot of deception I think going on in this. 1013 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,320 For example, there's been some like renderings, like just some 1014 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,920 renderings of the artist impressions of what might be under 1015 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,599 the pyramids. 1016 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: And this is really really huge. 1017 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 5: It goes down basically as deep as some of our 1018 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,519 deepest minds. 1019 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,559 Speaker 4: And these are huge underground structures. 1020 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 5: Bigger than if the way they're portrayed, bigger than almost 1021 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:32,159 anything that we build today. The Kevin Pyramid, I should 1022 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,039 point out, is one people forget about it. It's not 1023 00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,400 as famous as the Great Pyramid, but it's almost as big, 1024 00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,719 and it's actually better preserved. Near the top you can 1025 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,400 actually see some of the limestone cladding has survived the 1026 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,559 present day, whereas it's all vanished on the other two pyramids. 1027 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,199 But a lot of people are saying things like a 1028 00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,400 lot of skeptics are saying, well, it's fake because they 1029 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,800 you can't this this scan they used wouldn't have worked 1030 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,199 because it involves radar, but without without pointing out that 1031 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,679 the actual method they used was actually they were detecting 1032 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,440 motion caused by sound waves on the ground. That's what 1033 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,679 it was. They weren't actually penetrating on the ground with 1034 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,960 the radar. So there's a lot of misinformation there, and 1035 00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:17,360 it's if whatever it is, it's really does rewrite the 1036 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,719 whole story of that site. And I think a lot 1037 00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:21,679 of people are worried about this. I mean, flint divel 1038 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,039 did a video where he was clearly drunk. I mean, 1039 00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:28,360 he sounded really agitated about this. He was actually sipping 1040 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,000 beer while he was drinking. He was swearing a lot, right, So, 1041 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,440 I mean, my hopes aren't high for the authorities to 1042 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,559 sort of like let people dig under there. But what 1043 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,119 I think is that the Scanned Pyramids team could come 1044 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:43,079 back and try their muography method because that's already been 1045 00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,679 proven to work because they detected the chamber which was 1046 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,639 later discovered it which was actually confirmed. Maybe they could 1047 00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:53,519 detect the thing with agraphy because that's not that possible. 1048 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,079 No one could refuse that because it's not penetrative. It's 1049 00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:01,239 not a penetrated method. It's just it's worked by cosmic rage. 1050 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 4: One of the things that they kind of backed up 1051 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,760 their their kind of case. We featured that in our 1052 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,000 second video we did on it, and we're doing actually 1053 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,840 this this Weber and soon about it as well with 1054 00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,159 guy a TV. But there's they found what they did. 1055 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:18,440 They showed what else they've found with the Gizer platter, 1056 00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,039 and one of the things was the Asyrus shaft, which 1057 00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,760 is a known underground area. It goes very deep, there's 1058 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,039 two hundred feet down at least, it's got multiple levels. 1059 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,639 It's got a psychopha guy in there, and they're very 1060 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,800 base of it is. And that's actually on the causeway 1061 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,199 that goes down from the Caferet's pyramid or the middle 1062 00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:42,239 pyramid all the way down the thing. It's halfway down 1063 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,920 it basically, and that that came out perfectly almost on 1064 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,800 the scan and that's two hundred feet three hundred feet 1065 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,840 below the surface. So if that comes out, then wake up, 1066 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,840 you know, it kind of proves that what they're finding 1067 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,360 under Cafriage been there must be something there. They've got 1068 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,920 to remember the Tomb of the Birds and Colin's Caves, 1069 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,880 much of that is natural. These are natural cavities and 1070 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,880 caves under the geezer platter. Big there was Andrew's massive 1071 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,159 discovery back in two downs that it caused this sort 1072 00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:12,199 of big sensation like this is now, this is this 1073 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,599 new scan stuff. And even then he was using SAR 1074 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:20,159 technology and detecting things from sell data back then amazingly. 1075 00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:24,079 But so there's a lot of natural caves and caraties 1076 00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:27,079 under the ground there with iron ore, with black manganese 1077 00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,159 oxide and everything else, and so there could be a 1078 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:32,559 bit of both, a bit of like working with the 1079 00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:36,440 working the star and creating underground areas, which they were 1080 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,239 known to have done. I mean, because the subterranean chamber 1081 00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:41,920 in the Great Pyramid is literally underground. You know, you 1082 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,079 have the thing at Sakara, it's the same, you have 1083 00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:46,440 some of the other pyramids, it's the same. So they 1084 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,519 were definitely doing stuff deep under the ground back then. 1085 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,159 But what there's some of what they're picking up I 1086 00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:54,760 think is partly natural caves as well. 1087 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: M Right, I think we're going to have to leave 1088 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,920 it there with running out of time, gentlemen. But it's 1089 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,280 been a fascinating chat, brilliant, brilliant to have your back 1090 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,119 on you and a whole variety of things we've covered 1091 01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:15,840 from haunted houses, haunted pyramids and galadi between. 1092 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 4: So andy we need haunted UFO, haunted uf there's a 1093 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,239 few could be scribed that way. 1094 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:23,639 Speaker 5: Well. 1095 01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: I came across the video yesterday with fairies with sorry 1096 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,599 no aliens with fairy wings, which is a different one 1097 01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:33,280 to the normal aliens you encounter. So yeah, so they're 1098 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,119 branching out. I think these these paranoral entities. But Hugh, 1099 01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:39,840 if people want to find out more about you, they 1100 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,519 can go to your website if you want to give 1101 01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:42,079 a start again. 1102 01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:44,719 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, it's just they can just search for me 1103 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,800 Hugh Newman or they can go to Megalithomania dot co 1104 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,400 dot uk. And we also have this this is the 1105 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320 Origins Conference. We've got the guys who did the scan 1106 01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:57,960 stuff coming in for that from Italy. If people want 1107 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,639 to meet them and sort of quiz them, you know 1108 01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:02,920 and like or you know, debunk them whatever you like 1109 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,599 in politely, you know, please and that we're doing that 1110 01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:09,079 in Wiltshire in November, which is kind of fun. So yeah, 1111 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,719 so maybe you guys should come along, you know, excellent. 1112 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,840 I'll talk for that one. 1113 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,079 Speaker 1: That's not that far away from me, so that sounds 1114 01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,760 really good. All right. Any final thoughts sir Ben and 1115 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,320 Andy before we close the show. 1116 01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 4: I've just really enjoyed this discussion. 1117 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 5: I think it's we're looking at point now where a 1118 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,119 lot of truth is coming out about all kinds of 1119 01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:32,360 subjects that was never really addressed before, was laughed at before. 1120 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,519 So people like people like us, I think, are now 1121 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,000 experiencing a real vindication. The world is changing and people 1122 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,599 are going to well as a lot of apologies, whether 1123 01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:43,679 they actually will or not. They don't know, but I 1124 01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,159 think we are being proved right, and I'm happy that 1125 01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:47,519 I lived to suit this day. 1126 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd say the same thing, and that they have 1127 01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:54,159 been I don't know if you want to call them 1128 01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:58,079 psychics or remote viewers, but certainly people have a mystical 1129 01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:01,760 persuasion have been saying there's something under the pyramids for 1130 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,280 quite a few years, and everyone's like, oh no, no, lady, 1131 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:08,320 rubbish tinfoll hat and lo and behold, Actually there is 1132 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,480 and apparently there's some kind of mystic library. 1133 01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 4: This is what I've heard underneath the pause of the sphinx. 1134 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know, is that a egger Casey prophecy 1135 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:21,480 or something. 1136 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,559 Speaker 3: You'd be really interesting that if there could be a 1137 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,960 bit of kind of probing under the sphinx pause and 1138 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:27,480 see if you can. 1139 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:33,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, been confirmed by sonic detection. Uh yeah, yeah, sad waves, 1140 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,119 it's been. 1141 01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,760 Speaker 3: Because what really bothers me is why are the authorities 1142 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,719 so dead against something that could absolutely shatter our version 1143 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,639 of history and rewrite it. Why would you be against that? 1144 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:48,199 Why would you not with a scientific mind want to 1145 01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:49,440 investigate that exactly? 1146 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're investigating, but they've got to keep fit 1147 01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,880 quiet for a minute because it might upset a few 1148 01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,880 Apple carts and things, you know, Christianity I or Islamic 1149 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:01,760 stuff or whatever. You know, you just don't know what 1150 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,480 boat you're gonna rock as soon as you're announced it. 1151 01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:05,400 So they've got to look at it, digest it, and 1152 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,760 maybe it's a it's a bit like a disclosure thing, 1153 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,639 but on the archaeological side it right, okay. So thank 1154 01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:16,159 you very much to Hugh once again, and to Andy 1155 01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,880 and to Ben and for joining us on the Paranormal 1156 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,039 Peep Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Stay with 1157 01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:24,000 us for next month and we'd look forward to seeing 1158 01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:25,880 you then Bye bye, bye 1159 01:03:25,880 --> 01:04:03,039 Speaker 4: Bye Never taper didn't much Mone