WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:11.919 Evidence is everything. Without evidence, a murderer can walk free 2 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.359 without evidence. It's one person's word against another, and without 3 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:20.679 evidence we can be left paranoid and wondering. Some crime 4 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:23.640 cases are left a mystery simply because of the lack 5 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:26.920 of evidence, but in other cases, the evidence is so 6 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:32.759 overwhelming it brings into question very psychology behind everything. Just 7 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:38.759 like in today's case, it simply begs the question, what 8 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:40.799 the actual. 9 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.880 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to 10 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.200 Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. 11 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:51.840 The following podcast and. 12 00:00:53.719 --> 00:01:18.680 Material in your audience listener discretion is eyes. No, not 13 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:19.799 having a beverage today? 14 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:21.359 Sorry, no beverages? 15 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:22.480 You're not having one? 16 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:24.400 Well I don't always. 17 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:24.719 Neither, do I? 18 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:25.840 Yeah, you do? 19 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:29.879 Thanks? You just making me sound like an alcoholic Oh boy, 20 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.280 I had beer with dinner tonight. We went out for dinner. 21 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.799 So we went on a spontaneous date night. 22 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.159 Because our power was out, so we were like, instead 23 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:40.079 of just making dinner at home, which we can because 24 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:42.599 we have gas system and stuff, we still could have cooked, 25 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.000 we decided to just go for dinner instead because fuck. 26 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:45.680 It, it was nice. 27 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:46.319 It was though. 28 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:50.040 It was a nice little Monday surprise yeah, it was actually. 29 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.040 Kind of neat because we're trying to do some more 30 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.599 YouTube stuff. We actually have some interesting plans for the podcast, 31 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.680 which we'll be kind of talking about in the near future. 32 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:00.959 But anyways, we did a little. 33 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.840 Log today, A day in the life. 34 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:04.359 Right, a day in the life living in a tiny 35 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:08.680 home and being entrepreneurs, business owners, podcasters like the whole 36 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.199 like it was our day. So we're going to get 37 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:12.800 that log up on YouTube here pretty quick. 38 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:14.960 And in all honesty, it was a pretty normal day 39 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.759 for us really. I was, yeah, at the only unnormal well, 40 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:21.039 I was home for most of the day. Usually I'm 41 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.759 out shooting, but I didn't have any shoot scheduled today, 42 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:24.439 so it's kind of nice. 43 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:29.120 Yeah touche. But I want to get off this topic 44 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.879 really quick because I need to get on the topic 45 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:33.800 of Halloween costumes. 46 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.039 Oh yeah, that's all Ben talks about all October Halloween. 47 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.199 I am undecided what I'm going to dress up as 48 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:39.560 this here. 49 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.159 You have a couple ideas, though I do, but there 50 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.759 are recycled ideas, and I'm kind of feeling bad about that. 51 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:46.919 You could go hit a value village too and see 52 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:47.280 what they have. 53 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.520 I could I mean we're getting a little bit late. 54 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:50.319 I feel I. 55 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:51.960 Think you could still find something though. 56 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.639 I'm sure I could, but I don't know. I'm just 57 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:58.439 usually I'm like a month's in in advanced preparation for 58 00:02:58.479 --> 00:02:59.159 this kind of thing. 59 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.680 So, so your options are a monkey onesie. 60 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:06.960 Yes, A pink lady from Greece. Yeah, because you had 61 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.439 that costume, and I might see if I can dig 62 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:09.199 it out and try and. 63 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.120 Stuff myself into it. Yeah, if we kept it, yeah, 64 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:12.960 I don't know. 65 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:14.599 I can always think of something else, so too, I 66 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.479 could do like zombie makeup or something, who knows. Yeah, 67 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:20.719 So I'll figure something out. But do you know what 68 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.719 you're gonna do? Do you even have anywhere to go? Oh? 69 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.599 You make it sound like heaven forbid. I would have 70 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:27.360 anywhere to go? 71 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.840 Okay, I know you have places to go. Are you 72 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:31.919 able to go to any places? Have you figured that 73 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:32.319 out yet? 74 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:32.520 Oh? 75 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.560 I'm unsure. I might be just at home editing weddings fair. 76 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:38.639 We'll see, We'll see. 77 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.360 Because there is this fundraiser happening for this, say, a 78 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:45.599 local animal rescue called Good Cause Crow Rescue. A friend 79 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.560 of mine, Dana runs it. Shout out to you, Dana 80 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.960 or I know you're listening right now. She's got this 81 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.280 fundraiser going to kind of help raise some funds for 82 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.639 these animals that she just like takes in and everything. 83 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.680 So I'm gonna be going to that. Yeah, and I 84 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.240 got to figure out something to wear for it. 85 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.800 But yeah, I think you should think of something new, 86 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:03.879 something you haven't done. 87 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:05.520 Yeah, something I haven't done. 88 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.840 Hey, yeah, all brainstorms. I'll go on Pinterest for you. 89 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:13.159 Do it up. Maybe it just go as Eve or Adam. 90 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.040 I'll just wear a leaf. No one needs to see that. 91 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:18.120 Yeah, I was like yeah, and then I was like, oh, 92 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:21.040 save that for home mane. 93 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.439 There we go, There we go. Maybe the patrons can 94 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:24.720 see it. 95 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:27.759 I don't even know if they'd want to do no. 96 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:29.160 No, I was just trying to think of some sort 97 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:30.879 of transition to talk about Patreon here. 98 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:32.839 It was, it worked, but it didn't. 99 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.360 Yeah, so I did one of anker patrons who signed 100 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:38.639 up this past week to go support us over there. 101 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.120 So the amazing people who signed up, And I'm probably 102 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.879 gonna butcher this very first name here, but I'm going 103 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.800 to do my best. Kenny. I hope I say that right, 104 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:53.639 Kennie Bee Jennifer Kramer Justin, James Simpson, Hannah Grace, Abby Garland, 105 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.319 and Amanda Snook all signed up and I are getting 106 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.959 that behind the scenes exclusive content. So yeah, we appreciate 107 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.079 you guys. And even if you're not on Patreon, trust me, 108 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.240 we appreciate you guys too. You're awesome. 109 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:05.000 But that's awesome. 110 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.560 Thank you so much, yes, so so much and so much. 111 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:12.040 I promise you I will not be posting a picture 112 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:13.439 of me wearing nothing but a leaf. 113 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.120 As you were reading that, I was just like, gosh, dude, 114 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.439 are you trying to get people to sign up or not. 115 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:20.720 Trying to get them to unsubscribe? 116 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:25.360 If you're doing that, you ready for this though, I'm ready. 117 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.399 This case is an interesting one. I've never heard of it. 118 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.160 I just kind of happened to come across it in 119 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.879 my travels and I think it was TikTok, but really 120 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.040 we go okay, and I thought it was interesting. 121 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:38.160 So here we are, good old TikTok. Hey. You can 122 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:39.560 learn lots on there, can't you? 123 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.519 You definitely can. So I'm actually going to start this 124 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.639 one off by reading the a bit of an insert 125 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:51.839 from the victim's obituary. Okay, So Margaret was a beloved mother, 126 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:56.920 proud grandmother, caring sister, and cherished aunt. She was born 127 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.079 June twenty eighth, nineteen fifty two, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to 128 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:05.040 the late John and Ellen Shade. Throughout Margaret's life, she 129 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.759 was always had a gift and passion for dance. For 130 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.480 many years, Margaret was the co owner and dance instructor 131 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:17.279 with her family at Shade Sisters Dance Studio. And this 132 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:22.920 case is all about Margaret today, Okay, So it's unfortunate. 133 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.959 I mean, Margaret sounds like an incredible individual, especially like 134 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.600 the Shade Sister's Dance studio, like that right there, it's 135 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.079 it's her maiden name, for example. Yeah, in the name 136 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.759 of that studio. So it's like a family business, which 137 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.279 just even it gets to your heart just that little 138 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:38.879 bit more, you know. 139 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.759 So, So I mean, just from hearing that, it sounds 140 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.959 as though she was a very family oriented person. 141 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:52.079 She was very, very much so, which makes his case 142 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:52.959 all the worse. 143 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.680 Awesome. Yeah, love to hear that. 144 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:02.360 So let's start this out. Margaret lived in South Fayette, Pennsylvania. 145 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.560 It was a nice and hot autumn morning when Margaret's 146 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.040 daughter Ellen was making a phone call. Now It was 147 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.879 round ten thirty am this morning, and she tried to 148 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.319 get a hold of her mother. It was September one, 149 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:16.480 twenty nineteen. 150 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:18.920 Ellen, that's super recent. 151 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.319 Definitely is Allan was trying to notify members of the 152 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.199 family about the passing of an uncle and the family 153 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:27.480 and she was calling your mom to pass on the 154 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.800 terrible news. Yeah. So Alan picked up the phone, diwed 155 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.920 her mom's phone number, and it rang and rang and rang. 156 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:40.800 There was no answer. So she decided to continue calling others, 157 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.759 and she needed to inform other individuals as well, so 158 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.720 she called her half brother David, who was next in 159 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:50.560 the list. She called him and Dialda's number in the 160 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:53.319 phone rang and he picked up on the other end. 161 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:57.959 David was thirty three, and during the conversation, he informed 162 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.319 his sister that he was actually at their mother's house. 163 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.879 He was at Margaret's house, and she was actually down 164 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:06.920 for a nap, and that's why she didn't answer the phone. 165 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.240 She's kind of sleeping right now, unable to answer the 166 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.399 phone sort of thing, right, Okay, So Ellen decided, like, okay, 167 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.000 you know what, just let her know I phoned and 168 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.120 I'll give her call back in a little while too. 169 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.279 So that's kind of exactly it. She's like, I'll call 170 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:21.560 her back when she's awake. So she hung up the 171 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.519 phone and there we go. 172 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.360 No red flag. She just okay, yeah. 173 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.000 Later, there was a little bit of a red flag 174 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.440 in this situation. She didn't know David was actually in town. 175 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.559 David lived out of town. He'd actually recently moved to 176 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.519 another town, which isn't exactly odd in itself, but the 177 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.240 concerning part, the kind of red flag part, if you will, 178 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.440 David in the past had actually been accused of physically 179 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:51.559 abusing their mother several times. Oh yes, and so now 180 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.440 he's unexpectedly home alone with her. 181 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.639 Okay, yeah, that's that would make you feel a bit uneasy, 182 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:58.320 that's for sure. 183 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.559 Yeah. So Elle decided, okay, you know whatever, I'm going 184 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.360 to call her back in a few hours when she's 185 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.799 gonna be awake, right, Yeah, So she dialed the no 186 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:12.840 number again. Phone rings mid afternoon sort of thing. However, 187 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.559 the same scenario applied. Her mother didn't answer the phone, 188 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.200 but David, however, did and his response didn't change either. 189 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.720 He told Ellen that their mother was sleeping and couldn't 190 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:23.240 come to the phone. 191 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.559 And this is like out a few hours later or 192 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:26.120 a couple. 193 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:29.159 Hours later, Yeah, exactly. So we're mid afternoon now, right, Okay, 194 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.440 So Ellen again did the same thing. Called back in 195 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:35.080 a little while, and shit called back that evening, and 196 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.799 again David answered, and he told her the same thing. 197 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.159 Their mother was sleeping and she couldn't come answer the phone. 198 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.559 It's the same conversation. It seemed like groundhog Day was 199 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:51.759 happening here for Ellen. Ellen finally had enough. It happened 200 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:55.679 over and over again throughout the day. Margaret can't be 201 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:57.639 sleeping this whole time. It's been far too long. Yeah, 202 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.240 So Ellen kind of got angry at David and hold 203 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.399 him quote, if she is still asleep, maybe she needs 204 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.759 to go to the hospital. Maybe something's wrong with her. 205 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.639 Nobody could possibly sleep that wrong, right, and I mean 206 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:11.519 totally right. 207 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.440 Well, yeah, through the whole day. I mean, unless you know, 208 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.279 that's when they normally are sleeping, if there were graveyards 209 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.879 or something. But yeah, at this point, I think I 210 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:21.200 would be like heading over. 211 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.919 There, Yeah, probably, Yeah. 212 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:26.840 I probably would have headed over there after like the 213 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.840 maybe even the first one, because I'm just like a 214 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.000 little bit nuts, yeah, a little paranoid. 215 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:33.799 I mean, I don't think Ellen is the host of 216 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:36.919 a true crime podcast and has all this yeah, like 217 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:39.840 ingrained in energy shit immediately. 218 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.879 I'm not judging her whatsoever you're going over, but I yeah, 219 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:44.559 I'm just like my OCD, I'd be there. 220 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:49.279 Yeah, so Ellen knew like she wasn't the only one 221 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:50.960 who is also trying to get a hold of Margaret 222 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.519 as well. Many other family members have been calling, you know, 223 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:55.480 with the whole like passing of the uncle sort of 224 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.399 fish situation. Yeah, but they were all actually met with 225 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.399 the same excuse from David regarding Margaret. Now, sometimes she 226 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.840 did explain a little bit further, saying that she had 227 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.320 drank too many drinks and took medication with and they 228 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:10.679 didn't mix two well sort of thing. 229 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:12.399 Okay, okay, you. 230 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.000 Know, causing her to pass out, which I can understand. 231 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.000 But even still, there is a bit of suspicion here, 232 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:23.399 especially considering his history. Right, So this excuse still wasn't 233 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.240 enough to explain a day and a half, because that's 234 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.879 where we're at now. It was a day and a 235 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.960 half later. It wasn't just the one day. The phone 236 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.279 calls kept happening the next day. 237 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:37.360 Oh my gosh, So a. 238 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.039 Day and a half later, this is still not a 239 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.720 good enough excuse, and Ellen said, like, something is seriously wrong. 240 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:44.360 Yeah. 241 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.559 So Ellen called in a wellness check with authorities for 242 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.080 her mother. She called the South Fayette Police Department and 243 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.919 they quickly sent out some officers to check on her 244 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:59.120 house on Old Orchard Drive. Now, unfortunately, police were unable 245 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.120 to get an answer when they knocked at the front 246 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.559 door and it appeared like no one was home. So 247 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.720 Ellen didn't take the response from authorities too well that 248 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.600 you know, quote no one was home, you know very well. 249 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.320 She's like, that's not good enough. This is a wellness check. 250 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:15.639 You need to make sure. 251 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.679 Right, Yeah, And I'm honestly not even sure. Can they 252 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.879 just like break in at that point? Like, I have 253 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:21.399 no idea. 254 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.840 I think they need reasonable suspicion still even for a 255 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.559 wellness check, right, I believe, So don't quote me on that. 256 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:29.919 And I'm sure it's different. 257 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:32.320 Different everywhere exactly. Yeah. 258 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.440 So Ellen's like, something's not right. She should be home. 259 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.759 David was answering the phone, saying this excuse, like you 260 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:40.919 need to figure something out. 261 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:41.720 Yeah. 262 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.679 So she continued to call the police, requesting the wellness 263 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.399 checks over and over, and she did so approximately two 264 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:51.639 dozen times that day. 265 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.919 Oh my gosh, yes, because I'm assuming she doesn't live 266 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:56.960 in the same town then, correct. 267 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:59.279 I'm not too certain. I don't know where exactly she lives. 268 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.519 Okay, well, I'm imagine if she did, she probably would 269 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:02.200 have just gone there. 270 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:08.120 Potentially. Potentially. Yeah, And to be fair, to be fair, 271 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.519 authorities weren't just like knocking the door, Oh she's not 272 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.279 home and lea like. They were coming and going, like 273 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.080 trying again and again, and the whole time Ellen's like, yeah, 274 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:17.919 we need a wellness check, like you need to make sure, 275 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:19.840 you need to make the contact, you need to figure 276 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.919 this out. So authorities are trying, Ellen's trying, and eventually, 277 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.840 at eleven forty five that same day, police didn't just 278 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.840 knock on the door and assume, you know, no one 279 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.120 was home. This time, they forced entry into the home. 280 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:37.919 They were going to connect on this wellness check. They 281 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.360 could see something was wrong right away. Everything in the 282 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.960 house was in disarray and there were clear signs of 283 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.039 a struggle. Police slowly and cautiously made their way through 284 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.200 the home, trying to find any signs of Margaret or David. 285 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.960 They stepped across the floor, making their way through broken 286 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.360 glass everywhere and scattered belongings and began to see blood. 287 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.399 There were pools and drops on the floor, there were 288 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:06.559 splatter marks up the walls and smears throughout the house, 289 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:10.200 and police knew they were about to see something absolutely horrific. 290 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:16.240 David was nowhere to be found, but it would be 291 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.320 in the upstairs bathroom where they would finally locate Margaret. 292 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:26.159 She was found lifeless, laying folded in the bathtub. She 293 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.799 was laying in the bathtub in such an unnatural way 294 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.279 that it was clear whoever put her there would have 295 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.440 had to completely have broken her back in order to 296 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.240 position her in the way that she was found. 297 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:37.960 Jeez. 298 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.960 They were clearly dealing with a brutal murder and the 299 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.399 investigation quickly ensued. 300 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.559 Okay, just how you described that. It's unlike the people, 301 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:56.519 so like the police officers, you know, literally like you're 302 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.840 walking through a scene, right, yeah, and it's gusts getting 303 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:03.320 work and worse, and like your whole body, all your 304 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.559 senses I think would be like you turn around, like 305 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:07.240 you don't want to see what's coming, but like they 306 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.320 have to go and find it like that. That's just 307 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.360 I don't know, for some reason, just the way you 308 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:13.519 describe it made me be like. 309 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:17.320 Wow, well, what if the next corner, the next bedroom 310 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.000 you approach, someone is in there and they need your help. 311 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.759 Yeah, because you don't know for sure. Maybe they're still alive, right, 312 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.519 I guess so if you look at it that way. 313 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.360 But oh, I mean, everything in your body would be 314 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.919 kind of almost being like run away. But they don't 315 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:33.320 they go find it, yep. 316 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.360 Which major props to investigators and authorities like that, because 317 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.759 that's that's hard. Oh I couldn't do it, no way, 318 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.759 It's incredible what they actually have to do, So props 319 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.519 to you guys out there and the ones specifically in 320 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.200 this case. They of course found pieces of evidence right 321 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.720 away this scene to paint a picture of exactly kind 322 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.399 of what occurred, like the blood's bladder, for example, the 323 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.600 broken glass, but they also found a lot more evidence 324 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.320 than just that. They found three garbage bags on the 325 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.360 scene containing several disposed gloves, an almost empty bottle of ammonia, 326 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.440 a empty bottle of bleach, a roll of masking tape, 327 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.120 and several bloodstained towels. 328 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.600 Oh my gosh. 329 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:17.360 They were also able to determine that Margaret had suffered 330 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:22.039 not only a broken back, but suffered fractured ribs, laceration 331 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.360 on her face, and several contusions across her body. The 332 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.720 autopsy report concluded that Margaret Somny had died from blunt 333 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:35.000 forced trauma to her head, neck and body. Essentially, she 334 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:36.000 was beaten to death. 335 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.320 And why like David just like hated her that much. 336 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.799 Well, we don't know. It's David. I don't you're assuming. 337 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.759 I'm assuming here and I could be eating these words, 338 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.399 but you won't be, okay, because I'm like, I would 339 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:51.240 be shocked if it was. 340 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:55.159 It's very obvious here who the culprit is. But that's 341 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.039 not the mystery of this story. There is so much 342 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.919 more to just oh who did it? It's there. I 343 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.039 don't want to give shit away. There's just a major 344 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.640 what the fucks? Okay, that's fair. Yeah, So Ellen of 345 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.480 course heard the news right away. I mean, she's calling 346 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.920 authorities on a wellness check, right, and authorities made the connection. 347 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:20.559 They're like, okay, we found your mother. Unfortunately, here's the situation. Yeah, 348 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:25.160 and clearly and understandably should be shaken. And eventually she 349 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:28.799 managed to compose herself and she was calling family, David 350 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.799 being one of them. So she told David the news. 351 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.359 She picked up the phone doubt his number, his phone rang, 352 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:37.880 and when she broke the news to him on the 353 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.400 other end, in a very cold response, he simply said, quote, 354 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:47.839 I don't want to give you the wrong answer, Ellen, 355 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.920 and I don't blame her because I'm in the exact 356 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.599 same boat. Didn't really know how to react to that, 357 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:58.200 so she again told him, you know, our mother was killed. 358 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:03.519 She's dead, and David once again replied, quote, I just 359 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:05.039 don't want to give you the wrong answer. 360 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.480 Oh my gosh, I feel like I would just lose 361 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:13.680 my shit. Yeah, like I don't know, Oh, okay. 362 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.039 Your mother has passed away and has been murdered, and 363 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:18.920 your answer is I don't want to give you the 364 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:19.480 wrong answer. 365 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:24.519 Yeah, what excuse me? I mean, I'm just waiting to 366 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.759 hear more details about things. But like if he maybe 367 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.599 has some sort of like mental illness or something, I'm wondering. 368 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.119 But well, and like in a situation like that, shock 369 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:35.400 can do a lot to people. 370 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.680 That's true, that's true. But then I mean, I'm assuming 371 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.880 Ellen is kind of thinking that he potentially did this, 372 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.839 So I don't know. Holy shit, holy shit, I feel 373 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:46.839 like this case is going to piss me off. I'm 374 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:47.559 already pissed. 375 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.279 Yeah, I might, and I mean it's not surprising in 376 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.720 all honesty, but David would become the police number one 377 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.480 suspect that very day in the hunt for where he 378 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:58.880 was now began. 379 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.039 You don't say it would be two. 380 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.839 Days later, on September fourth, that the police would arrest David. 381 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:08.200 He was attending his uncle's funeral, who had passed away 382 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:12.759 when Allen was originally trying to contact Margaret. Okay, So 383 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.160 they found David outside the funeral, and they had he 384 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.640 had some interesting things on him at the time. He 385 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:22.279 had a diamond gold necklace, a silver bracelet which both 386 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.559 belonged to his mother, three blank checks with his mother's 387 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:27.759 name on it, and his mother's debit card. 388 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:30.640 Oh gosh. 389 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.319 Okay, so that's some pretty damning evidence. 390 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.880 Yeah, no shit, yup. 391 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.359 He had also checked into a nearby hotel for the 392 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.000 duration of a stay during the funeral, and the hotel 393 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.119 was called the Hotel Indigo Indigo, And in the room 394 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.240 they found even more. They found a gun that had 395 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.920 belonged to Margaret and also some of her purses. Reportedly, 396 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.720 he had also gifted a pearl necklace to one of 397 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.119 the hotel staff, saying for a pretty lady from I'm 398 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:00.759 a pretty lady. 399 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.279 Okay, I'm just I don't even know how to respond 400 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:06.680 to this. This is disturbing. 401 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.400