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Speaker 1: evidence we can be left paranoid and wondering. Some crime
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Speaker 1: like in today's case, it simply begs the question, what
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Speaker 1: I can always think of something else, so too, I
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Speaker 1: This case is an interesting one. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1: I just kind of happened to come across it in
Speaker 1: my travels and I think it was TikTok, but really
Speaker 1: we go okay, and I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2: So here we are, good old TikTok. Hey. You can
Speaker 2: learn lots on there, can't you?
Speaker 1: You definitely can. So I'm actually going to start this
Speaker 1: one off by reading the a bit of an insert
Speaker 1: from the victim's obituary. Okay, So Margaret was a beloved mother,
Speaker 1: proud grandmother, caring sister, and cherished aunt. She was born
Speaker 1: June twenty eighth, nineteen fifty two, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to
Speaker 1: the late John and Ellen Shade. Throughout Margaret's life, she
Speaker 1: was always had a gift and passion for dance. For
Speaker 1: many years, Margaret was the co owner and dance instructor
Speaker 1: with her family at Shade Sisters Dance Studio. And this
Speaker 1: case is all about Margaret today, Okay, So it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: I mean, Margaret sounds like an incredible individual, especially like
Speaker 1: the Shade Sister's Dance studio, like that right there, it's
Speaker 1: it's her maiden name, for example. Yeah, in the name
Speaker 1: of that studio. So it's like a family business, which
Speaker 1: just even it gets to your heart just that little
Speaker 1: bit more, you know.
Speaker 2: So, So I mean, just from hearing that, it sounds
Speaker 2: as though she was a very family oriented person.
Speaker 1: She was very, very much so, which makes his case
Speaker 1: all the worse.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Yeah, love to hear that.
Speaker 1: So let's start this out. Margaret lived in South Fayette, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: It was a nice and hot autumn morning when Margaret's
Speaker 1: daughter Ellen was making a phone call. Now It was
Speaker 1: round ten thirty am this morning, and she tried to
Speaker 1: get a hold of her mother. It was September one,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Ellen, that's super recent.
Speaker 1: Definitely is Allan was trying to notify members of the
Speaker 1: family about the passing of an uncle and the family
Speaker 1: and she was calling your mom to pass on the
Speaker 1: terrible news. Yeah. So Alan picked up the phone, diwed
Speaker 1: her mom's phone number, and it rang and rang and rang.
Speaker 1: There was no answer. So she decided to continue calling others,
Speaker 1: and she needed to inform other individuals as well, so
Speaker 1: she called her half brother David, who was next in
Speaker 1: the list. She called him and Dialda's number in the
Speaker 1: phone rang and he picked up on the other end.
Speaker 1: David was thirty three, and during the conversation, he informed
Speaker 1: his sister that he was actually at their mother's house.
Speaker 1: He was at Margaret's house, and she was actually down
Speaker 1: for a nap, and that's why she didn't answer the phone.
Speaker 1: She's kind of sleeping right now, unable to answer the
Speaker 1: phone sort of thing, right, Okay, So Ellen decided, like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, just let her know I phoned and
Speaker 1: I'll give her call back in a little while too.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of exactly it. She's like, I'll call
Speaker 1: her back when she's awake. So she hung up the
Speaker 1: phone and there we go.
Speaker 2: No red flag. She just okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Later, there was a little bit of a red flag
Speaker 1: in this situation. She didn't know David was actually in town.
Speaker 1: David lived out of town. He'd actually recently moved to
Speaker 1: another town, which isn't exactly odd in itself, but the
Speaker 1: concerning part, the kind of red flag part, if you will,
Speaker 1: David in the past had actually been accused of physically
Speaker 1: abusing their mother several times. Oh yes, and so now
Speaker 1: he's unexpectedly home alone with her.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's that would make you feel a bit uneasy,
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Elle decided, okay, you know whatever, I'm going
Speaker 1: to call her back in a few hours when she's
Speaker 1: gonna be awake, right, Yeah, So she dialed the no
Speaker 1: number again. Phone rings mid afternoon sort of thing. However,
Speaker 1: the same scenario applied. Her mother didn't answer the phone,
Speaker 1: but David, however, did and his response didn't change either.
Speaker 1: He told Ellen that their mother was sleeping and couldn't
Speaker 1: come to the phone.
Speaker 2: And this is like out a few hours later or
Speaker 2: a couple.
Speaker 1: Hours later, Yeah, exactly. So we're mid afternoon now, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So Ellen again did the same thing. Called back in
Speaker 1: a little while, and shit called back that evening, and
Speaker 1: again David answered, and he told her the same thing.
Speaker 1: Their mother was sleeping and she couldn't come answer the phone.
Speaker 1: It's the same conversation. It seemed like groundhog Day was
Speaker 1: happening here for Ellen. Ellen finally had enough. It happened
Speaker 1: over and over again throughout the day. Margaret can't be
Speaker 1: sleeping this whole time. It's been far too long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Ellen kind of got angry at David and hold
Speaker 1: him quote, if she is still asleep, maybe she needs
Speaker 1: to go to the hospital. Maybe something's wrong with her.
Speaker 1: Nobody could possibly sleep that wrong, right, and I mean
Speaker 1: totally right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, through the whole day. I mean, unless you know,
Speaker 2: that's when they normally are sleeping, if there were graveyards
Speaker 2: or something. But yeah, at this point, I think I
Speaker 2: would be like heading over.
Speaker 1: There, Yeah, probably, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I probably would have headed over there after like the
Speaker 2: maybe even the first one, because I'm just like a
Speaker 2: little bit nuts, yeah, a little paranoid.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Ellen is the host of
Speaker 1: a true crime podcast and has all this yeah, like
Speaker 1: ingrained in energy shit immediately.
Speaker 2: I'm not judging her whatsoever you're going over, but I yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just like my OCD, I'd be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ellen knew like she wasn't the only one
Speaker 1: who is also trying to get a hold of Margaret
Speaker 1: as well. Many other family members have been calling, you know,
Speaker 1: with the whole like passing of the uncle sort of
Speaker 1: fish situation. Yeah, but they were all actually met with
Speaker 1: the same excuse from David regarding Margaret. Now, sometimes she
Speaker 1: did explain a little bit further, saying that she had
Speaker 1: drank too many drinks and took medication with and they
Speaker 1: didn't mix two well sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you.
Speaker 1: Know, causing her to pass out, which I can understand.
Speaker 1: But even still, there is a bit of suspicion here,
Speaker 1: especially considering his history. Right, So this excuse still wasn't
Speaker 1: enough to explain a day and a half, because that's
Speaker 1: where we're at now. It was a day and a
Speaker 1: half later. It wasn't just the one day. The phone
Speaker 1: calls kept happening the next day.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So a.
Speaker 1: Day and a half later, this is still not a
Speaker 1: good enough excuse, and Ellen said, like, something is seriously wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Ellen called in a wellness check with authorities for
Speaker 1: her mother. She called the South Fayette Police Department and
Speaker 1: they quickly sent out some officers to check on her
Speaker 1: house on Old Orchard Drive. Now, unfortunately, police were unable
Speaker 1: to get an answer when they knocked at the front
Speaker 1: door and it appeared like no one was home. So
Speaker 1: Ellen didn't take the response from authorities too well that
Speaker 1: you know, quote no one was home, you know very well.
Speaker 1: She's like, that's not good enough. This is a wellness check.
Speaker 1: You need to make sure.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I'm honestly not even sure. Can they
Speaker 2: just like break in at that point? Like, I have
Speaker 2: no idea.
Speaker 1: I think they need reasonable suspicion still even for a
Speaker 1: wellness check, right, I believe, So don't quote me on that.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's different.
Speaker 2: Different everywhere exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Ellen's like, something's not right. She should be home.
Speaker 1: David was answering the phone, saying this excuse, like you
Speaker 1: need to figure something out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she continued to call the police, requesting the wellness
Speaker 1: checks over and over, and she did so approximately two
Speaker 1: dozen times that day.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, because I'm assuming she doesn't live
Speaker 2: in the same town then, correct.
Speaker 1: I'm not too certain. I don't know where exactly she lives.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm imagine if she did, she probably would
Speaker 2: have just gone there.
Speaker 1: Potentially. Potentially. Yeah, And to be fair, to be fair,
Speaker 1: authorities weren't just like knocking the door, Oh she's not
Speaker 1: home and lea like. They were coming and going, like
Speaker 1: trying again and again, and the whole time Ellen's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need a wellness check, like you need to make sure,
Speaker 1: you need to make the contact, you need to figure
Speaker 1: this out. So authorities are trying, Ellen's trying, and eventually,
Speaker 1: at eleven forty five that same day, police didn't just
Speaker 1: knock on the door and assume, you know, no one
Speaker 1: was home. This time, they forced entry into the home.
Speaker 1: They were going to connect on this wellness check. They
Speaker 1: could see something was wrong right away. Everything in the
Speaker 1: house was in disarray and there were clear signs of
Speaker 1: a struggle. Police slowly and cautiously made their way through
Speaker 1: the home, trying to find any signs of Margaret or David.
Speaker 1: They stepped across the floor, making their way through broken
Speaker 1: glass everywhere and scattered belongings and began to see blood.
Speaker 1: There were pools and drops on the floor, there were
Speaker 1: splatter marks up the walls and smears throughout the house,
Speaker 1: and police knew they were about to see something absolutely horrific.
Speaker 1: David was nowhere to be found, but it would be
Speaker 1: in the upstairs bathroom where they would finally locate Margaret.
Speaker 1: She was found lifeless, laying folded in the bathtub. She
Speaker 1: was laying in the bathtub in such an unnatural way
Speaker 1: that it was clear whoever put her there would have
Speaker 1: had to completely have broken her back in order to
Speaker 1: position her in the way that she was found.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 1: They were clearly dealing with a brutal murder and the
Speaker 1: investigation quickly ensued.
Speaker 2: Okay, just how you described that. It's unlike the people,
Speaker 2: so like the police officers, you know, literally like you're
Speaker 2: walking through a scene, right, yeah, and it's gusts getting
Speaker 2: work and worse, and like your whole body, all your
Speaker 2: senses I think would be like you turn around, like
Speaker 2: you don't want to see what's coming, but like they
Speaker 2: have to go and find it like that. That's just
Speaker 2: I don't know, for some reason, just the way you
Speaker 2: describe it made me be like.
Speaker 1: Wow, well, what if the next corner, the next bedroom
Speaker 1: you approach, someone is in there and they need your help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't know for sure. Maybe they're still alive, right,
Speaker 2: I guess so if you look at it that way.
Speaker 2: But oh, I mean, everything in your body would be
Speaker 2: kind of almost being like run away. But they don't
Speaker 2: they go find it, yep.
Speaker 1: Which major props to investigators and authorities like that, because
Speaker 1: that's that's hard. Oh I couldn't do it, no way,
Speaker 1: It's incredible what they actually have to do, So props
Speaker 1: to you guys out there and the ones specifically in
Speaker 1: this case. They of course found pieces of evidence right
Speaker 1: away this scene to paint a picture of exactly kind
Speaker 1: of what occurred, like the blood's bladder, for example, the
Speaker 1: broken glass, but they also found a lot more evidence
Speaker 1: than just that. They found three garbage bags on the
Speaker 1: scene containing several disposed gloves, an almost empty bottle of ammonia,
Speaker 1: a empty bottle of bleach, a roll of masking tape,
Speaker 1: and several bloodstained towels.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: They were also able to determine that Margaret had suffered
Speaker 1: not only a broken back, but suffered fractured ribs, laceration
Speaker 1: on her face, and several contusions across her body. The
Speaker 1: autopsy report concluded that Margaret Somny had died from blunt
Speaker 1: forced trauma to her head, neck and body. Essentially, she
Speaker 1: was beaten to death.
Speaker 2: And why like David just like hated her that much.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. It's David. I don't you're assuming.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming here and I could be eating these words,
Speaker 2: but you won't be, okay, because I'm like, I would
Speaker 2: be shocked if it was.
Speaker 1: It's very obvious here who the culprit is. But that's
Speaker 1: not the mystery of this story. There is so much
Speaker 1: more to just oh who did it? It's there. I
Speaker 1: don't want to give shit away. There's just a major
Speaker 1: what the fucks? Okay, that's fair. Yeah, So Ellen of
Speaker 1: course heard the news right away. I mean, she's calling
Speaker 1: authorities on a wellness check, right, and authorities made the connection.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, we found your mother. Unfortunately, here's the situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and clearly and understandably should be shaken. And eventually she
Speaker 1: managed to compose herself and she was calling family, David
Speaker 1: being one of them. So she told David the news.
Speaker 1: She picked up the phone doubt his number, his phone rang,
Speaker 1: and when she broke the news to him on the
Speaker 1: other end, in a very cold response, he simply said, quote,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give you the wrong answer, Ellen,
Speaker 1: and I don't blame her because I'm in the exact
Speaker 1: same boat. Didn't really know how to react to that,
Speaker 1: so she again told him, you know, our mother was killed.
Speaker 1: She's dead, and David once again replied, quote, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to give you the wrong answer.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I feel like I would just lose
Speaker 2: my shit. Yeah, like I don't know, Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: Your mother has passed away and has been murdered, and
Speaker 1: your answer is I don't want to give you the
Speaker 1: wrong answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what excuse me? I mean, I'm just waiting to
Speaker 2: hear more details about things. But like if he maybe
Speaker 2: has some sort of like mental illness or something, I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: But well, and like in a situation like that, shock
Speaker 1: can do a lot to people.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. But then I mean, I'm assuming
Speaker 2: Ellen is kind of thinking that he potentially did this,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Holy shit, holy shit, I feel
Speaker 2: like this case is going to piss me off. I'm
Speaker 2: already pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might, and I mean it's not surprising in
Speaker 1: all honesty, but David would become the police number one
Speaker 1: suspect that very day in the hunt for where he
Speaker 1: was now began.
Speaker 2: You don't say it would be two.
Speaker 1: Days later, on September fourth, that the police would arrest David.
Speaker 1: He was attending his uncle's funeral, who had passed away
Speaker 1: when Allen was originally trying to contact Margaret. Okay, So
Speaker 1: they found David outside the funeral, and they had he
Speaker 1: had some interesting things on him at the time. He
Speaker 1: had a diamond gold necklace, a silver bracelet which both
Speaker 1: belonged to his mother, three blank checks with his mother's
Speaker 1: name on it, and his mother's debit card.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's some pretty damning evidence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no shit, yup.
Speaker 1: He had also checked into a nearby hotel for the
Speaker 1: duration of a stay during the funeral, and the hotel
Speaker 1: was called the Hotel Indigo Indigo, And in the room
Speaker 1: they found even more. They found a gun that had
Speaker 1: belonged to Margaret and also some of her purses. Reportedly,
Speaker 1: he had also gifted a pearl necklace to one of
Speaker 1: the hotel staff, saying for a pretty lady from I'm
Speaker 1: a pretty lady.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just I don't even know how to respond
Speaker 2: to this. This is disturbing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is, It really is. So the evidence
Speaker 1: is just piling up. Yeah yeah, and I mean like
Speaker 1: this is some seriously damning evidence. It like it doesn't
Speaker 1: even compare to what's gonna happen here soon, So just
Speaker 1: bear with me. But David of course denied any involvement
Speaker 1: in the death, like any individual like that would. Instead,
Speaker 1: David tried to point police in another direction, saying maybe
Speaker 1: it was an accident or maybe it was an overdose,
Speaker 1: and then once it kind of like, well, the evidence
Speaker 1: certainly does not point to that, like she had a
Speaker 1: broken back, well folded in a tub, like there's a struggle,
Speaker 1: like all this sort of shit. He then said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: well she was actually seeing a guy. You should go
Speaker 1: look into him.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this guy. I'm just like pissed right now.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm ellen right now and just like living,
Speaker 2: i'd be losing my mind.
Speaker 1: Well right so rightfully, so holy heck, so not fooled
Speaker 1: at all. The police continue their focus on David and
Speaker 1: when they turned to his cell phone, this is when
Speaker 1: they found something absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 2: Okay, what I don't see how much could get worse here?
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is ready for what they found
Speaker 1: on his cell phone. Police found a total sum of
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy seven photos David had taken of
Speaker 1: the crime scene, his mother's deceased body, and even some
Speaker 1: photos that included the act of the murder. One photo
Speaker 1: in particular showed David taking a selfie, a selfie with
Speaker 1: his now deceased mother visible next to him while he
Speaker 1: had her blood smeared across his face, and he has
Speaker 1: posed giving a thumbs up to the camera.
Speaker 4: What, yeah, are you serious? Right now?
Speaker 1: He took a selfie with her body. That's the loot
Speaker 1: of his face going thumbs up?
Speaker 4: Is this guy a literal monster?
Speaker 2: Like? This is his mom? Like like she gave birth
Speaker 2: to him?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay, like legit mom? Okay? Whoa whoa?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I still don't know how to
Speaker 1: process that information when I first came across it. That's
Speaker 1: the initial information that I discovered that made me look
Speaker 1: into this case.
Speaker 2: Like what, I'm sorry, but like, whoa, I can't imagine,
Speaker 2: like what would be going on inside of you to
Speaker 2: be killing your mom for one, and then like literally
Speaker 2: like posing for a selfie with her dead body with
Speaker 2: a thumbs up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So to put it in perspective too, like you
Speaker 1: are a professional photographer, Your job is to take photos.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of time to take two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy selling pictures.
Speaker 3: Well, not me necessarily break it down for you, a
Speaker 3: professional who is just snap snap, snap, case snap snap,
Speaker 3: Like you're taking pictures down near like every other second.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fifteen twenty minutes before you hit the
Speaker 1: three hundred mark.
Speaker 2: Like, was he was this a prolonged thing where she
Speaker 2: was just suffering? Because now this is just so cruel.
Speaker 2: This is brutal.
Speaker 1: I mean, with all the photos and everything, they were
Speaker 1: able to paint somewhat of a timeline and know she
Speaker 1: thankfully was not suffering. The death was one evening sort
Speaker 1: of thing. She was not tortured per se. Okay, as
Speaker 1: far as evidence shows, as far as I was able
Speaker 1: to find researching this.
Speaker 2: But seriously, like this fucker was getting phone calls from
Speaker 2: family and basically she was dead. Yeah, and he's just
Speaker 2: saying that she's asleep, having a nap, yeah, and just
Speaker 2: lying to everybody. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, amongst those photos, there was also a video, and
Speaker 1: it's timestamped two forty one September one, and it shows
Speaker 1: David washing his now mother's lifeless body in the bathtub
Speaker 1: where she was found.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this.
Speaker 2: Is just okay.
Speaker 1: So not only were they able to recover these horrific
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence, these photos and video, but they were
Speaker 1: also able to look in the search a history on
Speaker 1: his phone, and they found while in her house, he
Speaker 1: was researching things such as, quote, how long does it
Speaker 1: take before a body starts to decompose? And how long
Speaker 1: do you wait to dispose of a body?
Speaker 2: Okay? Can I just ask a question? And I don't
Speaker 2: even know if you're going to know this, and I
Speaker 2: don't think it's super important, but I just for some
Speaker 2: reason curious. Were these photos just like in his fucking
Speaker 2: gallery or were they like in his deleted folder.
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming they're just
Speaker 1: in his gallery. I don't think someone with that amount
Speaker 1: of evidence on their phone, they're not sorting it or
Speaker 1: storing it properly. It's just fucking.
Speaker 4: There that's just wild, so beyond fucked that.
Speaker 2: I okay, you look.
Speaker 1: Here's the word of the day. Flabbergasted.
Speaker 2: I really am. It's it's hard to process this one.
Speaker 2: That is just I mean, okay, sometimes they can kind
Speaker 2: of under Okay, this is gonna sound so bad. I
Speaker 2: can kind of like sometimes understand I don't even think
Speaker 2: I can say this, but like people murdering it kind of.
Speaker 1: There's there's mental disorders and things that take place that
Speaker 1: you can wrap your mind around, or people being.
Speaker 2: That angry or whatever, but to literally like to be
Speaker 2: like documenting the whole thing on your phone like that
Speaker 2: and it's your mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, there's cases on crime where
Speaker 1: there's motive, there's cases on crime where there's psychological things whatever.
Speaker 1: But then there's cases with crime where it's just senseless
Speaker 1: and no matter how you look at it, you just
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Why how like none of it
Speaker 1: makes sense? And this is one of those cases. In
Speaker 1: just three months following David's arrest, the County District Attorney's
Speaker 1: offices proposed a plea deal, and three years later, in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, David did exactly that. He pled guilty
Speaker 1: to third degree murder in connection to his mother's death. So,
Speaker 1: in August seventeenth, twenty twenty two, David entered this deal
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and his plea bargain resulted in the
Speaker 1: dropping of all other charges against him, all charges against
Speaker 1: him for third degree murder, other charges such as first
Speaker 1: degree murder, desecration of a corpse for example, you know,
Speaker 1: potential torture, break an entry, all these things.
Speaker 2: When they had so much evidence. Why are they doing that?
Speaker 2: What are they needing from him?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're kidding me.
Speaker 1: In a deal with them, they say, if you plead guilty,
Speaker 1: we'll give you third degree murder and drop all other charges.
Speaker 2: And like, third degree murder, what is he going to get?
Speaker 2: Is he op? Now?
Speaker 1: Well, third degree murder is exactly what the result was.
Speaker 1: He was found guilty on the third degree murder. You're
Speaker 1: kidding me, but I mean this left him with only
Speaker 1: a maximum a possible maximum sentence of forty years maximum
Speaker 1: that was the possibility. Now, during the trial, a medical
Speaker 1: expert testified that David's mental capacity was significantly impaired at
Speaker 1: the time of his mother's killing due to the consumption
Speaker 1: of quote extremely high doses of adderall aka, he was
Speaker 1: on drugs. Okay, so he wasn't with it because he
Speaker 1: was on drugs. It's essentially what it is. So David
Speaker 1: was handed a twenty year sentence and they allowed him
Speaker 1: to avoid all these other severe charges.
Speaker 2: Okay. I just had to look up because I was like,
Speaker 2: what exactly is third degree murder? Like I just couldn't remember,
Speaker 2: so like.
Speaker 1: The specific definition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone intends to harm only but accidentally kills
Speaker 2: a person. Yeah, like it was an accident basically, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's often called manslaughter, okay, because that's what I was like,
Speaker 2: is that what that is?
Speaker 4: That is not enough?
Speaker 1: No, not enough at all.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't comprehend why when they had
Speaker 2: so much to put him away forever?
Speaker 1: Really yeah, but for whatever reason they let him make
Speaker 1: that They suggested this plea deal, and they went along
Speaker 1: with it with them, which does not make any fucking
Speaker 1: sense to me, which pisss me off so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eight twenty years is not enough for what he did.
Speaker 1: No, So, the crimes David committed against his own mother,
Speaker 1: Margaret was unfortunately not the first sign that he was
Speaker 1: capable of such things. So we've gone over David's crime
Speaker 1: against his mother and his resulting sentence from it. However,
Speaker 1: there is a history, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: that now.
Speaker 2: So the fact that there's a history means that they
Speaker 2: definitely should not like he needs to be gone for longer, yes,
Speaker 2: because he's going to come out and probably do it again.
Speaker 1: Probably So. His sister Ellen, as we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: recalled an incident from when David was only five years
Speaker 1: old five now. She remembers being fifteen at the time
Speaker 1: and upstairs in her room when all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: throughout the house she heard her mother screaming at the
Speaker 1: top of her lungs. So she rushed to go see
Speaker 1: what was going wrong, and apparently it was David. At
Speaker 1: the time. He had a friend over and he and
Speaker 1: his friend had just killed a bird and Margaret had
Speaker 1: just found it in the home. So Margaret was horrified
Speaker 1: and screaming what she found, and she told David, quote,
Speaker 1: this is what serial murderers do.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Could they do something weird to the bird
Speaker 2: other than just kill it? That's all I know, okay,
Speaker 2: but still that's how it starts. Like, yes, like practicing
Speaker 2: on animals or whatever.
Speaker 1: Now some situations that I found, they're talking about it
Speaker 1: being a baby bird. Oh my gosh, but yeah, they
Speaker 1: killed it. I some heard without evidence, they were talking
Speaker 1: about torturing of the bird. But all they could find
Speaker 1: was he killed a bird.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean at five that it depends. I mean
Speaker 2: if it was an accent or whatever. But this does
Speaker 2: not seem like it would have been.
Speaker 1: No, this was intentional. Now, his history isn't just painted
Speaker 1: to the memories of you know, their home, either their
Speaker 1: legitimate court documents and arrest records that showed David had
Speaker 1: a history with the law and violence. So his first
Speaker 1: as I kind of already mentioned, with the abuse his mother, Right,
Speaker 1: So his first incident was in April of twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: when he was arrested for a DUI. Three years later,
Speaker 1: in June of twenty fourteen, David would again be arrested,
Speaker 1: but this time on harassment charges. I couldn't clarify who
Speaker 1: those harassment charges were on. Two months later after that,
Speaker 1: he then was charged with assaulting his mother. In June
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen, David was charged with aggravated assault, public drunkenness,
Speaker 1: disorderly conduct, and harassment for allegedly beating up his seventy
Speaker 1: one year old father, David Lee Sumney Senior. Sorry. This
Speaker 1: incident had began simply over a debate with some vacation scheduling,
Speaker 1: when David snapped, pinned his father against the front door
Speaker 1: of the house, and became striking him in the face.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, a seventy one year old man.
Speaker 2: That's terrifying.
Speaker 1: A year later, on November twenty sixteen, David again was
Speaker 1: charged with assaulting his mother. David was reportedly drunk and
Speaker 1: began violently assaulting Margaret. He kicked her and grabbed her
Speaker 1: by the neck while striking her. There were also notes
Speaker 1: in the file that reported he quote picked her up
Speaker 1: around the chest area and squeezed her, causing severe pain
Speaker 1: below her breast area, while he stated this is how
Speaker 1: we do it in the Navy seals. It's important to
Speaker 1: note that there is no record of David ever being
Speaker 1: in the Navy. The Navy even looked into their system.
Speaker 1: He never existed in it whatsoever.
Speaker 2: She was probably terrified of him, Oh she was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another assault incident against Margaret saw her write a letter
Speaker 1: asking for some temporary protection from her son. Now In
Speaker 1: this incident, he reportedly punched her in the face and
Speaker 1: again squeezed her torso. At the end of the incident,
Speaker 1: while Margaret was able to escape the house, she ran
Speaker 1: to the neighbors for help, and David reportedly shouted to
Speaker 1: her as she ran away, quote, I'll get you next time.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Okay, this is unreal. I am just
Speaker 2: flabbergasted that they let him have a plea with all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: It makes absolutely no sense. There has to be more,
Speaker 2: something we are not aware of, because it just doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense.
Speaker 1: It doesn't because these, like I said, these are criminal documents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are assault charges filed. This isn't hearsay. These are
Speaker 1: things on his fucking record.
Speaker 2: And then literally every single piece of evidence that they
Speaker 2: had for her murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I just said this quote quote I'll get
Speaker 1: you next time, That is on documents before she was killed.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and they literally just lowered it to
Speaker 2: a third degree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is bizarre.
Speaker 1: Sounds like first premeditated to me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, he hated her for
Speaker 2: some very odd reason.
Speaker 1: So through all these incidents, David was never convicted of
Speaker 1: a felony. All the charges that were laid against him
Speaker 1: were either downgraded big surprise, because we've already seen that happen,
Speaker 1: or David pleaded to a misdemeanor instead, basically the same
Speaker 1: as last pleaded to a downgraded charge. Right. Margaret, though,
Speaker 1: had a heart of gold, and even though her son
Speaker 1: was violent towards her, and even though she was terrified
Speaker 1: of him, she still loved him and was in the
Speaker 1: court looking for pleas of leniency towards him. So she
Speaker 1: was still on his side trying to fight for leniency.
Speaker 2: Thanks for that. That's so sad. It is my heart
Speaker 2: just broke into a million pieces.
Speaker 1: So basically as a result of this, he never was
Speaker 1: more than eight months in confinement, and I couldn't clarify
Speaker 1: what confinement means, whether it's house to rest or what
Speaker 1: and probation for all those charges.
Speaker 2: Wow, And she probably just believed in him so much
Speaker 2: that he'll get better, we'll get through this problem. And
Speaker 2: then it led to her desk.
Speaker 1: Yep, because he's such a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: There has to be more like he has to have
Speaker 2: some sort of mental illness in my opinion, because I
Speaker 2: just don't think that someone who's of sane mind would
Speaker 2: kill their mom.
Speaker 1: Well, then if he does, I don't know why he's
Speaker 1: not in some sort.
Speaker 2: Of getting psychiatric care. Yeah, he needs to maybe be
Speaker 2: getting some help of sorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as far as I can tell, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's just behind bars for twenty years.
Speaker 2: And because someone like this, I feel like in twenty years,
Speaker 2: I just I can't envision them changing.
Speaker 1: No, which is a big problem with any sort of
Speaker 1: imprisonment system in North America. It's just put people.
Speaker 2: Away because I think, I do really think some people
Speaker 2: can change, but they have to be remorseful. And the
Speaker 2: fact that he did this over and over, I just
Speaker 2: I can't envision him changing. He's going to come out
Speaker 2: and do something.
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, I think so, yep.
Speaker 2: Which is very helpless feeling.
Speaker 1: Oh is it ever?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, as I did mention though, Margaret, she cared for
Speaker 1: her son, but she was still very much so terrified
Speaker 1: for her own safety. She knew what David was capable of.
Speaker 1: She eventually went and purchased a gun specifically to protect
Speaker 1: herself against her abusive son, the one that he had,
Speaker 1: the one that he had stolen. Yes. Now, unfortunately, David's
Speaker 1: family weren't the only victims of David's violent past. In
Speaker 1: August of twenty eighteen, David had met a woman online
Speaker 1: who we will call Tina. Okay, so Tina never had
Speaker 1: any inclination that anything was off about him, to put
Speaker 1: it in her own words, that's a quote from her, okay.
Speaker 1: And she attributed you know, much of the odd behavior,
Speaker 1: kind of the kind of strangeness from them once in
Speaker 1: a while to the supposed quote Navy seal training that
Speaker 1: he had talked about.
Speaker 2: Right, my gosh, the fact that he's lying about that
Speaker 2: is also makes me so angry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the two were on and off for several months,
Speaker 1: they kind of, you know, seeing each other a bit
Speaker 1: and not and blah blah blah. They decided to take
Speaker 1: a five day beach vacation together to Atlantic City in
Speaker 1: July of twenty nineteen. It was a fun trip, sure,
Speaker 1: but the intent was mostly to test the waters of
Speaker 1: a potential relationship with them with each other. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're on and off a little bit. Is there anything
Speaker 1: actual real here? Could we actually be a couple? That's
Speaker 1: kind of the gist of this trip. So it was
Speaker 1: on this trip that David would show his true colors
Speaker 1: to Tina. Now, to quote Tina again, quote the first
Speaker 1: time he physically hit me was in the hotel room.
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, and my mind just went
Speaker 1: into survival mode, just figuring out ways to keep the
Speaker 1: situation calm, to avoid getting hurt again, just keep everything cool,
Speaker 1: calm and collected. So Tina managed to calm the situation
Speaker 1: down and they went on with their vacation. Then a
Speaker 1: few days later, shit would hit the fan. David, for
Speaker 1: one reason or another, became irate in the hotel room
Speaker 1: once again and began assaulting and torturing her in the
Speaker 1: hotel room.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he.
Speaker 1: Would choke Tina until she passed out.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, she's lucky, she's alive.
Speaker 1: Oh just wait. He would beat her in the face repeatedly,
Speaker 1: and then he even went as far as waterboarding her
Speaker 1: in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: What does that mean again?
Speaker 1: So waterboarding, if you're not familiar with it, it's an
Speaker 1: individual is laid down. It's an ancient form of torture. Okay,
Speaker 1: you put a well, I don't know if it's ancient,
Speaker 1: but it's an old form of torture. They lay you
Speaker 1: on your back and they put a cloth over your
Speaker 1: face and they run water over it, essentially drowning you,
Speaker 1: like to the brink of death, and then they give
Speaker 1: you a gasp of air and do it again, over
Speaker 1: and over and over.
Speaker 2: That is so terrifying.
Speaker 1: If you're wanting to know what waterboarding is even close
Speaker 1: to being, like, while you're still safe, just put a
Speaker 1: face cloth over your face that's wet and try to
Speaker 1: breathe and then imagine water being poured over on top
Speaker 1: of it. Oh my gosh, it's wild. So he was
Speaker 1: doing this to her, and she was rightfully so terrified, yes,
Speaker 1: and was at his mercy to make things even worse.
Speaker 1: He wasn't just harming her physically, but he was playing
Speaker 1: intense psychological games with her as well as he was
Speaker 1: threatening to end her life. He said things like this quote,
Speaker 1: how do you want your body to be found in
Speaker 1: the bathroom from an overdose? Or would you like your
Speaker 1: body to just disappear?
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 4: This case is.
Speaker 1: Just this guy is fucked up. Yes, fuck this David dude.
Speaker 1: He is an absolute douche canoe.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he is more than that. And the
Speaker 2: fact that he is just getting away with this stuff
Speaker 2: is making me just irate, Like I feel like I
Speaker 2: need to release some angry anger here.
Speaker 1: Please don't hurt me.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hurt you. But this man, is, this monster,
Speaker 2: is making me just pissed.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he is. He's a fucking.
Speaker 2: Monster, disgusting piece of shit.
Speaker 1: So Tina was, like I said, at the mercy of
Speaker 1: this disgusting piece of shit in the hotel room alone. Luck, however,
Speaker 1: was on her side in this situation. Though if you
Speaker 1: can call it luck, I guess I mean it's a
Speaker 1: stroke of luck.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm shocked that she got out of this alive.
Speaker 1: It was the very day that they were supposed to
Speaker 1: check out, and they had missed their checkout time. Okay,
Speaker 1: so a staff member from the hotel had come up
Speaker 1: to the room to check on them.
Speaker 2: Okay, someone was doing their job.
Speaker 1: I like this, Yes, And this gave Tina an opportunity
Speaker 1: to sprint out of the fucking room. And she ran
Speaker 1: to an adjacent room that the door happened to be open,
Speaker 1: and she got in there, slammed the door behind her,
Speaker 1: and began to scream, He's going to kill me, He's
Speaker 1: going to kill me.
Speaker 2: The gosh that is just heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Isn't it. I am so happy she got the fuck
Speaker 1: out of there, though.
Speaker 2: Holy the fact that she did is a little bit
Speaker 2: of a miracle, really, yeah, because like, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: she would have had to, because what she endured and
Speaker 2: then she still lived shows how strong she is too.
Speaker 1: And honestly, she went through an interviewed and talked about
Speaker 1: this too to news sources. These quotes I got from
Speaker 1: her are from her interviews. Wow, So good on her
Speaker 1: for having that strength, because being able to talk about
Speaker 1: that stuff is oh to help other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also shows how strong she is too
Speaker 2: in that sense, because that would be very hard to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So I mean, of course, local
Speaker 1: authorities with this situation, someone's screaming, he's gonna fucking kill me, right,
Speaker 1: They were called immediately and police issued an arrest warrant
Speaker 1: right away for David. However, David was able to evade
Speaker 1: the authorities.
Speaker 2: Okay, because yeah, the date situation was just going in
Speaker 2: my head. That was twenty eighteen. He killed his mom
Speaker 2: the next year. He should be in fucking jail, like
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have been able to kill his mom.
Speaker 1: Well, the main reason he was able to avoid authorities
Speaker 1: in this incident. Was he left the hotel before authorities
Speaker 1: got there, right, like he just ditched?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh?
Speaker 1: Okay, And his name was never entered into the National
Speaker 1: Crime Information Center, which basically meant, I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: wanted individual. There's a warrant out for his arrest, immediate arrest, right,
Speaker 1: But this basically meant that the moment he left state
Speaker 1: to go back home, no authorities outside the state of
Speaker 1: New Jersey knew he was a wanted criminal because he
Speaker 1: wasn't registered in this fucking National Crime Information Center.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Now, eventually, after the murder of his mother, David was
Speaker 1: charged in connection to this incident in twenty twenty. That's
Speaker 1: too late, definitely, I mean, thankfully he was charged, but still, yes,
Speaker 1: too little, too late. And in this incident he was
Speaker 1: charged including aggravated assault, terroristic threats for threatening immediate death,
Speaker 1: and criminal restraint. Though I was unable to find the
Speaker 1: result of this trial, and I was actually unable to
Speaker 1: even confirm if that trial had taken place yet, so
Speaker 1: he may still be on trial for that coming.
Speaker 2: Soon, Okay, So that's good. He may end up hopefully
Speaker 2: maybe getting more time. But then I'm just like, huh,
Speaker 2: I wonder if the plea thing was, like, oh, but
Speaker 2: him killing his mom is weight like, not that it
Speaker 2: was bad what he did to Tina, but his mom.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, well he actually took a life. Yees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now, I was able to find one more thing regarding
Speaker 1: the potential trial or the trial that may have occurred
Speaker 1: or whatever. I was able to find one thing. Reportedly
Speaker 1: he has also entered a plea for those charges as well.
Speaker 2: Oh see, my brain right now is just going a
Speaker 2: mile minute because I'm trying to justify shit.
Speaker 1: But you can't.
Speaker 2: But I just I can't.
Speaker 1: None of this can be justified as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: It's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2: It's going to be keeping us up at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah it yeah, I don't know. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: No, it makes absolutely no sense, like zero fucking none.
Speaker 1: And apparently okay, there was also an incident apparently about
Speaker 1: a week prior to him assaulting his mother and taking
Speaker 1: her life. I think it was in late August. I
Speaker 1: haven't my notes here. August twenty fourth, he was given
Speaker 1: a just a citation outside of Pittsburgh after punching a
Speaker 1: lift driver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what a winner. This guy is about as
Speaker 2: scum as again.
Speaker 1: Hey, yep. So to finish off this case, I wanted
Speaker 1: to read a quote from David's half sister Ellen. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: and this is taken directly from the courtroom quote. There
Speaker 1: were so many instances for David to be stopped in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen alone, and yet he was able to slip
Speaker 1: through the cracks. Again. He is a Ted Bundy type,
Speaker 1: you know. He is manipulative, charismatic and is able to
Speaker 1: manipulate people. He is also a sociopath who is capable
Speaker 1: of murder.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: That's haunting, isn't it.
Speaker 2: And that's probably I mean because he is twenty years
Speaker 2: right yep? Do you do you know how around how
Speaker 2: old he is?
Speaker 1: He was thirty three at the time. Oh shit, So
Speaker 1: he's going to get out at least when he's fifty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: plenty of life still love.
Speaker 2: That is so much more time to do a lot
Speaker 2: of damage.
Speaker 1: I mean, he might get parole. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's going to be any additional charges for the incident
Speaker 1: with his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 2: We can only hope, We can only hope, I guess
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: But honestly, as far as the court sees, it was
Speaker 1: just assault and uttering threats really for what against Tina?
Speaker 1: Against Tina, I'm saying, I'm playing devil's advocate here. As
Speaker 1: far as the court may look at it, especially if
Speaker 1: they're taking a plea deal that's attempted murder, he may
Speaker 1: only get just like aggravated. It's all charges for it
Speaker 1: and maybe a few months tacked on because of a
Speaker 1: plea deal. Like you see what I mean, he's pleading guilty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's probably gonna get a lesser sentence, which is
Speaker 1: fucked up because like you said, yeah, you damn your
Speaker 1: like he tried to fucking murder her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like honestly that should have been dealt with
Speaker 2: and then like his mom would still be alive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just saying that is so this case. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 2: I am just fucking pissed right now, rightfully.
Speaker 1: So, I mean I was angry several times in researching this.
Speaker 1: I kept getting to the point with like, Okay, here's
Speaker 1: the case, here's the information, and then here's another piece
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's unreal, unreal. I mean, and any life
Speaker 2: is a life, but it's just on it's it's hard
Speaker 2: to comprehend too, that it was his own mom. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who sounds like she was kind of amazing.
Speaker 1: She was. She literally was in the court. She's terrified
Speaker 1: for her her own life, to the point where she's
Speaker 1: buying a gun for her own safety against his individual.
Speaker 2: Yet she still wants him to be protected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in the court trying to get a lesser
Speaker 1: charge for him. Hmmm, Like that is a fucking golden
Speaker 1: hearted woman right there.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you have to wonder why why would
Speaker 2: he even want to do that to her? Then?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, holy moly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh so that's uh the story of Margaret Summoners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and her piece of shit son, David Summoners.
Speaker 2: He definitely isn't relationship material, because don't they what's the
Speaker 2: saying that how a man treats his mom is how
Speaker 2: he'll also like treat his wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, so this guy if he ever ends up
Speaker 2: in a relationship, like, dear.
Speaker 1: God, please, I really hope he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to end well.
Speaker 1: No, So hopefully you guys are able to process this
Speaker 1: better than Nicole, because I'm looking at her right now
Speaker 1: and her face is just like confusion anger, And I
Speaker 1: think she might take it out on me because she's
Speaker 1: pissed off that I put her through.
Speaker 2: Oh right, gosh, you're just you're trying to make people
Speaker 2: worried about your safety now maybe gosh, no, you don't
Speaker 2: need to be.
Speaker 1: Worried about my safety. Nicole will not I know that,
Speaker 1: but she may be mad at me for a few days.
Speaker 2: Well, I just I have a lot of thinking to do.
Speaker 2: This is it's just.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been thinking on this case for about a
Speaker 1: week now and I have yet to come up to
Speaker 1: any sort of conclusion that that can make sense of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's nothing.
Speaker 1: So No, there really isn't so.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a good case like you presented it. Well,
Speaker 2: it was good for us to learn of this, I suppose,
Speaker 2: but it is real fucked.
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Speaker 1: appreciate that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone that's here, we appreciate you so frickin' much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you really want, you can head over to
Speaker 1: YouTube where we're going to be posting a lot of
Speaker 1: vlogs here coming up. We got one that we're editing
Speaker 1: right now, Like we mentioned at the beginning of this
Speaker 1: the day and life of us in our tiny home
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, and a lot more
Speaker 1: to come. We're cracking down in that content creation here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's going to be more in depth about
Speaker 2: our life in general, about business, right about tiny home living.
Speaker 2: So if any of those things also interest you, true
Speaker 2: crime as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and we've had a lot of questions about
Speaker 1: like podcasting, where to start, how to get started, equipment
Speaker 1: all that. We'll be doing some educational content regarding that
Speaker 1: on our our podcast or our YouTube as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It would be helpful for us too, because we do
Speaker 2: get asked that often and we can be like, oh,
Speaker 2: watch this video, Yeah, super helpful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here you go. Here's the link.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, even if you're just here still listening
Speaker 1: to us ramble about stuff, stuff and things, stuff and
Speaker 1: things and things and stuff.
Speaker 2: I know how many people actually listen to the bitter end.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'm curious. We should
Speaker 1: do like a pole or something. Maybe we will on
Speaker 1: our socials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or walk to say something so weird at the
Speaker 2: end and ask people what it was or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go on our social media right now and comment
Speaker 1: barbecue sauce. And that's how we'll know that you listened
Speaker 1: to the very end of this episode. Okay, just barbecue sauce.
Speaker 2: Barbecue sauce, nothing more.
Speaker 1: Just barbecue sauce.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's your task.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well we're gonna let you go. Thanks
Speaker 1: for being here. Guys, you're absolutely incredibly wicked, and until
Speaker 1: next time, stay wicked.