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Speaker 6: Hey guys, it's Cherry Wood.
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Speaker 6: And I'm actually sitting here with a legend in the
paranormal world, mister Bobby Mackie, who is the owner of
Bobby Mackie's Here's a world Mottunted nightclub in the United States. Bobby,
can you say a big hat all the fans out
there that absolutely love you and hippily.
Speaker 7: Borland If somebody mcki here in Wilder Kentucky and we
want to send out a big allow to all of.
Speaker 6: Our paranormal fans out.
Speaker 8: There were back in the thirties in the little town
of Wilder lived an old man and it's lovely little older.
Speaker 7: They ran gambling for relieving. It was the best place
I ran. All the men would come and lay their
money down her dad, and he was a jealous man.
But Johanna Va he kept saying, the man dell to
bad hands, so deep and the night when all the
world is quiet, someone came to her lover's life.
Speaker 9: Joha, Joe Hall, where are you man?
Speaker 10: Could it be you to hear song?
Speaker 9: Johanna, Joe Pound, Where are you now?
Speaker 6: Is it true to you?
Speaker 5: Son? What are you doing here? Don't you know? Cherry
and Tracy we live here. You will die here tonight.
If you don't run, run now, it's too late. They're coming.
They hear you, They're here.
Speaker 6: Welcome to episode eighty four of Hillbily Horror Stories. My
name is Jerry and I'm joined by my lovely wife Tracy.
Speaker 11: Hello, everybody, and we.
Speaker 6: Are super excited about this episode.
Speaker 11: Yeah go cats.
Speaker 6: Okay, that had nothing to do with it, but yes,
since we did beat the evil Tennessee Volunteers today. Shout
out to our University Kentucky Wildcats SEC champions again.
Speaker 11: Yeah yea.
Speaker 6: Well, all right, so let's get back to where people
focus on this show mostly for, which is the paranormal.
Speaker 11: Not I'm excited about this show, you know, sports.
Speaker 6: I'm excited too because we're doing a reboot, or I guess,
as Phil Holmes from Scared that I should call it
a revisit to Bobby Mackey's.
Speaker 11: I do like that.
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, because reboot, as he pointed out to me,
it kind of sounds like you're like tearing something down
and just redoing it all over. And that's not what
we're really, not what we're doing, but it's somewhat similar
to what we're doing to this particular episode. Now, if
you've been with us from the very beginning when Ricky
and I hosted the show, we did an episode on
Bobby Mackie's. It was actually episode six. It was a
ted bit crude, rude, and really quick. It was like
a twenty five minute show, and this is probably going
to be a closer to a two hour show. WHOA,
what does that mean for you guys? It means we're
going to get into a whole lot more details than
what Ricky and I got into no good, So we
had to kind of put it talk to some of
the listeners out there that suggested that we do some
of these older episodes, because we did some good stories
back then, but we just kind of glossed over most
of the facts and details and just got to the
nuts and boats of it. Are not really covering a
whole lot of detail on it, And that's what we're
going to do different tonight, and I think you guys
are going to be extremely happy with what we've got.
Speaker 11: Prepared, well, we hope, So we're very excited to redo this.
Speaker 6: Yes, because Tracy wasn't part of the last one obviously.
Speaker 11: That's when they were losers. Ton is kidding.
Speaker 6: So this is going to be really fun because I
think what you're going to find that the way that
I've structured this one to night is it's going to
be all about the haunting of Bobby Mackey's, but it's
going to be more about how we got to the hauntings,
why is the place so haunted? And with that being said,
we're going to start covering the stories that lead up
to that, and it's going to almost be some of
it's going to be more true crime sounding, but you know,
they actually had one of the bigger scandals on two
rich boys that commit a murder in that town that
actually is the main focal point of what people say
or the hunting here. So I think that we're going
to give you a lot more details than you normally
hear on Bobby Mackey's because that particular story.
Speaker 11: Alone, Okay, sounds great to me.
Speaker 6: So let's get into the Before we get too deep
into this, let's go ahead and thank all of our
military and civil servants all over the world, no matter
which country you represent, we thank you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 11: Yes, we love you guys so much. Continue prayers for
you guys every day, and thank you for keeping us safe.
God bless you.
Speaker 6: I also want to give a special shout out to
the Lexington, Kentucky Police Department because just a couple of
days ago, in the last couple of weeks, there's been
three different high schools in Lexington that have had threats
of guns being brought to school that they've acted on
and done a really good job on. And unfortunately, just
the other day there was a student at one of
the high schoo that actually did bring a gun to
school for what reason. It wouldn't for anything malicious. He
was just, I guess, kind of showing off with it,
but he accidentally shot usself. He's going to be fine.
But they were all over it and were there very quick.
And you know, it's nice to know that in today's world,
of a situation like that arises, that you've got the
competent police force, it's able to just jump right in there.
They were there and yeah, they just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 11: Yeah they were Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 6: Tracy, would you like to talk about our new iTunes
reviews this week?
Speaker 11: Sure? We love our reviews, keep them coming. We had
one from zero nine to six Pixie, JP WV seventy nine, Loopy,
Loop Star, and Andy Pauline. Thank you guys so much
for your reviews. They were very kind and we appreciate
y'all so much, and you know how we love those reviews,
so keep them coming.
Speaker 6: We also had some Patreon support this week Matthew Harp.
Speaker 11: Thank you Matthew. We appreciate you, Honey Yep so much.
Speaker 6: And we've got a very cool stories coming your way.
It's the Pictron episode that we got coming next week
is going to be all on haunted places in Cincinnati. Oh,
so we're going to do I've got like six different
stories lined up. Wow, that's going to be really cool.
Speaker 11: It's going to be.
Speaker 6: Fun, including the Cincinnati Zoo.
Speaker 11: Who would think that you're kidding?
Speaker 6: Haunted by a lion?
Speaker 11: Oh wow, I.
Speaker 6: Was going to think that it would have been HARAMBEI yeah, shot,
but it's actually a lion.
Speaker 11: Well, I can't wait to hear that story.
Speaker 6: Great, So that's going to be kind of fun. I
want to throw out a quick plug because we haven't
done this enough. But podcast We listen to obviously is
a fantastic sight on Facebook about eighteen thousand members strong.
Maybe even a little more than that. I think it's
closer to nineteen thousand. But they're having their Pottern Love
Podcast Festival. That's, you know, for people who just love podcasts.
That's what it's about. It's come out and see all
kinds of people. That is in what is August tenth
through the twelfth, and it's going to be in New.
Speaker 11: Or So I'm so excited about that.
Speaker 6: Tracy and I were invited by Jeremy Collins and Dina
Marie from Twisted Phillies help them put this thing on
and a few others, but we were invited to be
a part of that and we are so thankful. So,
especially if you guys are in anywhere close to that area,
it would be a good idea to be able to
jump on there. And what we'll do a little bit later,
I'll post a link on our Facebook page. You can
actually go to it and check out tickets and stuff
like that. But hold off, I'm buying tickets because Jeremy
is going to give us a code that will save
you a little bit of money.
Speaker 11: Oh great, good job, Jeremy. It's going to be so fun.
I mean, I have never been there before, so I'm
extremely excited and just to be going there and then
getting to meet all the podcasters and all the fans
and all that, it's just going to be truly amazing.
Speaker 6: Oh I mean, and that's going to be the main
reason to go to the website to see how many
podcasters we're going to be there, obviously, and then you've
got the Rumor Flies guys which are actually from down
that area. You've got Pleasing Terrorist is going to be
their history goes Twisted Phillies podcast. We listen to Generation
Why there are so many that I can't even name.
I think we've got like twenty five already set up
and there's more coming. But yeah, it's some fantastic shows
that are gonna be down there, and it's gonna be
a really fun.
Speaker 11: Event, I know. And Jerry's like then, told me like
a dozen places he wants to go, and I'm like,
how are we gonna squeeze all this in? Yeah, I
mean he's like, it's like Christmas time for him. He
cannot wait. I mean I can't either, but he's so excited.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because we're gonna go to the Myrtles Plantation while
we're down there. It's about an hour away, and we
are definitely going to go to what was the Saint
Louis Cemetery where Marie Levo is, and then we're gonna
go on to Madame Lourie's Lolarie's house and probably so Yeah,
I'm I'm so excited.
Speaker 11: I feel exhausted already, and it's so far away, but
it's a good exhaustion.
Speaker 6: On the way. On the way, we're going to stop
in Birmingham, Alabama and see the Dead Children's play Grip.
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's gonna be very fun. And you know,
while we're down in that area, we may even stop
and see sloths furnace, slough furniture furniture.
Speaker 11: That would be kind of cool. I like to see that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's we're going to make a road trip
from hell out of this thing.
Speaker 11: Well yeah, hopefully not.
Speaker 6: So let's talk about Bobby Mickey's Now. I can't say
enough about this place. It's one of my favorite places.
It's on about every top ten list. Every ghost Hunter
show has been there, some of them twice. I think
Ghost Adventure has been back twice. Yeah, and it's a
place that Tracy and I have been to on several
occasions now. And we had the privileged a couple of
weeks ago. We had a couple of listeners come in,
Jackie Getz and our friend Wendy came in and we
actually took them up there for a little tour and
they got to meet Bobby Mackey themselves, and Bobby was
that was the little song that you heard at the
beginning is actually Bobby Mackey singing a song about Johanna,
which is one of the infamous ghosts that we'll get
into her story a little bit later, and I'm going
to put that full song at the very end of
the episode, so you can actually listen to it in
full if you want to. Now, also at the end
of this episode, there's so much going on here, it's
going to be so fun. But also at the very end,
Bobby and his wife Janet, back in nineteen ninety one,
did an interview with Jerry Springer back before he was
doing pregnancy tests.
Speaker 11: And before he got crazy, your.
Speaker 6: Wife had an affair with an epileptic ardvark and all
that type of stuff that he usually had had a
real talk Showeah, that was actually as good as any
talk show that's on out there right now.
Speaker 11: And Harry Potter Glasses, by the way, I think he's
the one invented that to go ahead.
Speaker 6: But he actually had Bobby and Janet on the show,
and it's about a fifteen minute interview. But I'm going
to play that at the very end, so that way,
if you don't want to listen till, you don't have
to obviously right the end of the show, but it's
worth listening to because it's got Janet telling her story,
which we'll talk about her story, but she tells it
in her own words. You got Bobby talking about how
he doesn't believe in ghosts, which he's always said, and
then Carl Lawson, who will get into it a little bit.
He's actually got an interview on there, so it's worth
listening to. I think you're gonna love it. Also on
tonight's show is the paranormal group that actually does all
of the tours there at Bobby mckie's hash for the
last five years, Gatekeeper Paranormal. Laura and Angie from Gatekeeper
were nice enough to come on and do an interview
with us and tell us some of the things that
they've seen and you know during these tours that they
give right, So pretty cool. So are we ready to
get into the story?
Speaker 11: Yes, sir, I'm ready. Let's go.
Speaker 6: I don't think I've been more excited to do a
show in a long time, so let's jump right into it.
So Bobby Mackie's is actually located in Wilder, Kentucky. Wilder
is just south of Cincinnati, on the other side of
the Ohio River. So if you're in Cincinnati you crossed
the bridge. There's a city called Covington, which is kind
of a suburb you know, even though it's not in
the same state, it's almost a suburb of Cincinnati, and
Wilder is five minutes from there basically, so it's a
little small town. It's important to point out that the
building that's there right now, where Bobby Mackey's is, is
not the original building that was constructed on the land.
The property that the building is on has a very
bloody and dark history though. Originally there was a slaughterhouse
there and it was built in the eighteen fifties. For
years it was the largest meat packing facility in the area.
And in the basement there was a well. And I'm
sure most of you've heard about this well, but this
well was used to draw all the blood from the animals.
When they would take the blood, they drained it down
this well in any other kind of debris that might
have been left over from the eas I know, and
all this stuff would drain out the back to the
Licking River, and that's gross. Well, they definitely did things
a little bit different in the eighteen fifties. House was
closed in the eighteen nineties, and legend has it that
even though the slaughter house was no longer using the
property to slaughter animals. It was still being used for
similar purpose, but with a much more evil reason. Yeah,
it said that the basement of the packing house became
a ritual site for occultist. They sacrifice small animals during
these ceremonies, and then they dumped their bodies into the well.
Speaker 11: That's not nice.
Speaker 6: So we've established that the building isn't the original building,
but it is built over top of this same well,
and that's all that remains from the original building.
Speaker 11: That's it.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 11: I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 6: Now there are three really famous stories that involved Bobby
Mackie's property can instigate most of the stories that involve
these hauntings. Okay, so how much of it is true
and how much of it is myth? I'm going to
let you decide, But we'll give you all the facts
that we know in all the legend first, and that's
what we're going to cover. First, we're going to get
to the very first story, which is the story of
a very attractive young woman from Greencastle, Indiana, by the
name of Pearl Brian. You don't usually get to hear
much about Pearl except for the tragic part of the death,
which most people know, and attribute to one of the
hauntings of Bobby Mackie's. But I thought this was a
disservice to this young lady, so I wanted to try
to share a little more about her and tell more
about her history so you could actually find.
Speaker 11: Out about her now very nice.
Speaker 6: Her father was actually a wealthy farmer and she was
the youngest of twelve children, which was pretty common back
in that day because they obviously didn't know how to
keep their thing in their pants. So Pearl graduated from
Greencastle High School in eighteen ninety two, and she had
lots of young men that are interested in her, obviously
being an attractive young woman at this age. That's kind
of what what you expect. At the age of twenty
two in eighteen ninety six, she was one of the
most popular girls in the area. Now Pearl was having
a very dark secret though she was pregnant. In this
time period, being pregnant out of wed Locke was something
that would get you shunned into society and no matter
who you were, it would bring shame onto your family.
So her cousin, gentleman by the name of William Wood,
had introduced her to a guy named Scott Jackson. So
we're going to get into how she got.
Speaker 11: In this predicament they had sex.
Speaker 6: I'm going to assume I didn't see that written, but
we're going to assume that's the case. So Scott was
a student at Ohio College of Dental Surgery in Cincinnati,
which wasn't too far away from her. Obviously, her cousin
was attending a medical school at DePaul University, and that
William Wood were talking about, he became really good friends
with Scott Jackson. Now, what Wood didn't know is that
Jackson was a member of the occult group that actually
met at the former slaughter House in Wilder, Kentucky. Oh
And NJA is just fascinated by that. Jackson's family was
wealthy as well, so he was kind of accepted by
Pearl's family as a perfect suitor for her, and he
soon got her pregnant. Well, well we know how that happened,
no need for details there. Pearl confided in her cousin
and he then told Scott Jackson about the problem. Scott
made arrangements to have an abortion in Cincinnati. Pearl left
her parents home on February first, eighteen ninety six, and
told them she was going to Indianapolis instead. She was
actually going to meet Scott Jackson in his roommate Alonzo Walling,
in Cincinnati. It would be the last time that her
parents would see Pearl alive. She was five months pregnant
at this time. What you may not have figured out
at this point is that they weren't going to a doctor.
This was something Jackson planned on taking care of himself,
and apparently his medical skills for this type of procedure
weren't as good as he thought or her cousin William
Wood thought good.
Speaker 11: I had been scared of death, so.
Speaker 6: He tried to do the abortion beforehand by sending her
some chemicals in the mail that he thought would take
care of the baby. And apparently it was cocaine. Oh yeah,
so because they actually found it when he did autopsy,
they found cocaine in her system, so that didn't work.
So he gets her in this situation. They're there, and
this time he tried to use his dental tools, but
he botched it.
Speaker 11: Okay, he's at the wrong end, right, sorry.
Speaker 6: So after a little over an hour of trying, Jackson
and Walling had a young lady that was scared, injured
and bleeding on their hands.
Speaker 11: Oh God, bless your heart.
Speaker 6: Things took a darker turn after that, if you can
believe it. So the three actually crossed the bridge into Kentucky.
Jackson then took them to this little secluded spot by
Fort Thomas, which is a little town on northern Kentucky.
That's where Jackson and Walling actually killed Pearl Brian. They
used dental instruments to sever Pearl's head just below the
fifth vertebrae. The hell kind of hellas ms was that,
I have no idea.
Speaker 11: We should don't use him in our office.
Speaker 6: A doctor who later examined the body said that it
was a clean cut. He also said that Pearl had
been alive at the time of the decapitation because of
the presence of blood on the underside of some leaves
at the murder scene. Now, Pearl's body was actually found
about two hundred feet off of the Alexandra Turnpike and
a little less than two miles from the abandoned slaughterhouse,
which is three point twenty one kilometers. So without a head,
how did they know that this was Pearl? It was
actually a stroke of luck that she was wearing a
pair of shoes that had a stamp on them, and
the stamp said Louis and Hayes, which is a green
Castle shoe company back in her hometown. And there was
a number on it. I guess think of it kind
of like a serial number that was able to show
that she's the one who bought the shoes. Had it
not been for that, they probably.
Speaker 11: Wouldn't never have known.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: So the trial of Jackson and Walling was huge, mainly
because of the gruesomeness of the murder. I mean, this
was something that we talked about it a little bit beginning.
This was headline news all over the place. These were
two rich boys, yeah that now are impossibly involved in
the occult and involved in this gruesome murder. That's just
not something you expected to see. So during the trial,
Walling testified that it was Jackson that actually it was
his idea to cut up the body and kind of
discarded in different parts of the Cincinnati sewer system. Only
the head was actually taken, though, because Jackson had another
use for it. Locks of pearls hair were actually found
in a small suitcase in Scott's turn, so he was
keeping all kinds of little parts of this Pearl's head
was never actually found, and the legend is that they
used it during the Satanic ritual at the slaughterhouse. It
was then dropped into the well. Jackson and Walling were
brought to trial in eighteen ninety seven and were quickly
found guilty and sentenced to death. William Wood, her cousin,
was arrested in charge for being an accomplice for helping
set all this up. They later dropped the charges against
him though, when he agreed to testify against Alonzo Walling
and Scott Jackson.
Speaker 11: But why would they keep her hair in his suitcase?
Speaker 6: I mean, well, he apparently also kept and I didn't
really put this in there, but he also put had
some bloody clothes and stuff that he'd given somebody at
a bar to hold on too, that he came back
and got the next day.
Speaker 11: So, well, is he stupid or what?
Speaker 6: Apparently, Jackson and Walling were both given the death penalty,
but they did give them an option for life sentences
instead of execution if they would actually reveal where Pearl's
head was. Both of them refused.
Speaker 11: What yeah, well there's some kind of special stupid.
Speaker 6: So stories actually spread the Jackson and Walling were afraid
of Satan's draft if they had revealed the location.
Speaker 11: About oh, I got chat.
Speaker 6: So the cult activity was something that was a closely
guarded secret at this time, and they kind of felt
like that if they spoke about this and said, hey,
we went downer and dumped the head in a well,
that that would expose all the other cult groups. That
wouldn't be something that would set well with the.
Speaker 11: Way they were gonna die, right, But they didn't want Okay.
Speaker 12: I got you.
Speaker 6: They would have gotten the death penalty, right, I mean,
they would have gotten life in jail without the death penalty.
They just coughed it up.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I guess they figured the occult looka or
whatever would come after him.
Speaker 6: And they were sent to the gallows behind the New Poort,
Kentucky Courthouse on March twenty first, eighteen ninety seven. Now,
before the hanging, Jackson said that Walling had absolutely nothing
to do with it and it was all him. But
when the noose was actually put around Scott's neck, he
changed the story and then he said that he was innocent,
and then he was gonna haunt everyone that was involved
with this case and the entire area.
Speaker 11: Oh dang.
Speaker 6: So it was also said that the evil eye, if
you know what that is, was actually like the stinkery. Yeah,
I like to think out there was. Actually the evil
eye was given to many people that were involved in
the case, and legend has it that many of the
police officials and the aternities that were actually involved met
with tragic ends.
Speaker 11: It must have taken a long time to get each
and everyone the evil eye.
Speaker 6: I think at some point they would have just said, Okay, everybody's.
Speaker 11: Just gathering a sortcle let me give you one evil eye.
Speaker 6: So that was the last public hanging actually in Campbell County, Kentucky,
and they were close to five thousand people that were
there to witness this. Oh that was how deal. That
was what they saw though, was a botched hanging. Once
the bodies dropped, it took four minutes for them to die.
I just love a story with a happy ending.
Speaker 11: Is it mean for me to say that's what they get?
Speaker 6: No, because that is what they get. So after the
trial ended, the slaughterhouse remain completely empty for many years.
It was eventually, though, torn down and a roadhouse was
constructed on the site.
Speaker 11: Roadhouse.
Speaker 6: I don't think Patrick Swayzeye was there though, So during
the nineteen twenties, the place became a speakeasy and a
gambling establishment. They used the well to sneak liquor up
through the river and hide it from the officials. Actually,
so the whale got another use that was wrong for
this time. This was of course illegal back during a
time because it was a time of prohibition. So there
was supposedly several murders that were actually committed there, but
none of them were solid because the bodies were taken
elsewhere and dumped because they didn't want to draw attention
to the location because of all the illegal activity going
on there, and they didn't want to jeopardize all the
money they were making off of this huge venture at
the time. Then probation ended in nineteen thirty three and
there was a establishment became the Bluegrass Inn, which was
another gambling establishment, but the liquor was legal now. And
then it was bought by a gentleman by the name
of Ea Brady, and Ea Brady was actually better known
to his friends as Buck, and that's how we were
referred to him to this point. Now, Buck opened the
Primrose there. It was a tavern and a casino and
it was doing very well, so well in fact that
the mob in Cincinnati took notice and approached Buck about
getting a piece of the action. Now, Buck refused several
offers to become Bart partners. I guess we'll say to
outright by the Primrose. They wanted to do that too,
so they said, hey, we want a piece of the action,
or we'll just completely buy you out, and Buck said
no to all of it. Well, mobsters just love it
when you say no to them.
Speaker 11: I can't imagine.
Speaker 6: So the place was starting to be vandalized. You actually
had customers that were threatened in the parking lot and
Buck Brady was involved in a shooting in August nineteen
forty six, which is when everything kind of came to
a head. He was actually charged and released though on
attempted murder charge of a small town mobster by the
name of Red Masterson. This was the last straw offer Buck,
and he decided that he was just going to sell
out to the mob. I guess you can't let them
join them. Brady actually committed suicide in nineteen sixty five,
and this was roughly about eighteen years after the fact,
so it didn't have anything to do with that particular incident. Buck, Yeah,
Buck committed suicide. So after Brady sold the club, it
became the Latin Quarter and the new owner was arrested
several times on gambling charges, and the Campbell County Sheriff's
Department used to just go in there all the time
on a regular basis. They'd break in there with sledge
hammers and stuff, and they would confiscate all the slot
machines and the gambling tables, and I guess they would
just put them back in there. So this kept happening
over a period of time, and that's going to bring
us during the time of the Latin Quarter to our
second story, which is the story of Johanna. Now, we
talked about the song that earlier than Bobby Micky did,
and this was based on this legend. So the legend
goes that Johanna was actually the daughter of one of
the owners of the Latin Quarter, and Johanna was also
a dancer at this club. She fell in love with
the singer at the club by the name of Robert
Randall Mickey. She became pregnant and her father, of you know,
had some of his mob buddies come in and take
care of mister Mickey because he didn't like the idea
of him knocking her daughter up.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I kind of get that, but wouldn't
he wants somebody that's gonna help take care of her.
Why he gonna kill him for?
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess you just in the fifties, you
don't when you're not married, Okay, but don't sleep with
mobs boss's daughters.
Speaker 11: Well I get that, I guess. But then she started
to fend for herself.
Speaker 6: Well, so Johanna got into this and she tried to
poison her father, and then she poisoned herself into dressing
room down in the basement. These events supposedly came from
a diary that was found by Karl Lawson, which is
the longtime caretaker Bobby Mackie's and he actually lived on
the premises. And we're going to hear a lot more
about Carl later, But that's how the story of Johannah
came to be is from this. There's a love poem
that's actually written above the stage that most people considered
to be a suicide note slash love poem. Her father
actually survived, but she did not. She was five months
pregnant at the time, oh Man, which that's two stories
now in Robbing is property where pregnancies were five months
because when Pearl met her demise, she was also five
months pregnant. Now, in the nineteen seventies, the building became
the hard Rock Cafe. Now this isn't the same hard
Rock that everybody else day. It was a different group.
It was just happened to be named the same thing.
It's shut down after some fatal shootings. So you already
see in the time that we've been here, there's talk
of a woman's head being sacrificed down a well, Satanic
rituals being taken in the basement, bodies that were people
that were killed and bodies taken away during the roadhouse days.
Speaker 11: Then you had two pregnant women, you had.
Speaker 6: Two pregnant women, you had gamblers that were there was
all kinds of people killed at the mob as had
killed in the Latin Quarter and the Primrose and those
bodies supposed they were just thrown in the Licking River
right behind there.
Speaker 11: That's so crazy.
Speaker 6: So there's a during this time we're only up to
basically the seventies.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I know, that's a crap ton of
stuff that's happened already.
Speaker 6: So let's talk about the positives. Nineteen seventy eight, Bobby
Mickey and his wife Janet, they buy the place. Bobby
at the time was a pretty successful country music musician
and he had some national success, but it started to
kind of, you know, slack off a little bit, and
he got tired of the traveling and he said, you know,
the hell with it. We'll just buy our own place
and then my fans can know where I'm going to
be all the time and they can come in and
check us out. So that's what he did. He settled
into this little spot and started doing some work on it.
In the nineteen eighties. He was so successful with this
club that there were lines out the door to come
see him in this place play seats like five hundred people, and.
Speaker 11: It was always yeah, okay for him.
Speaker 6: Bobby's Mikey's Music World was actually also one of the
first clubs in the US to have a mechanical bull,
like the one you see in an Urban Cowboy, and
it's still there.
Speaker 11: It is. Actually, my cousin fell off of him, broke
his arm.
Speaker 6: So that's going to bring us to our third story,
because I said we there were three stories that are
really connected with this. We're going to talk about Carl Lawson,
who was the first employee hired by Bobby Mikey's once
he opened the place. Karl was a unique man, to
say the least. She's kind of a loner. He worked
as a caretaker and a handyman at the club, and
Carl actually came to Bobby and said that he was
fascinated with the place that he used to ride by
and he thought he could see stuff in the windows
and stuff like that, and he really wanted to work there.
So that's how that came to be. He lived in
a room upstairs and actually spend a lot of his
time when the club clothed, just kind of roaming around
the facilities. And this was, you know, just something he
liked doing. Carl also claimed to see and hear strange
things in the club, and most people in town thought
he was a little on the crazy side, because Carl
had a reputation of being a heavy drinker and he
kind of, I don't want to say bipolar, because I
didn't know the man, but to hear descriptions, you know,
even Bobby Mackie said he had to talk to Carl
a few minutes to know which version of Carl he
was getting that day. So he kind of had a
history of, you know, being different from one day to
the next. Now, the people in the town, they thought
he was crazy until they started hearing and seeing some
of the things for themselves. Carl said that he would
double check at the end of the night that everything
was you know, doors were locked, lights were all off,
and all that kind of you know, the things you
would normally do when the club. He'd come downstairs a
little bit later and he said the bar lights would
be on, the front doors would be unlocked when he
knew for the fact that he locked him. Now this
is one we can test too. He said the jukebox
would be on plane anniversary Waltz, even though the jukebox
was not only powered off but unplugged.
Speaker 11: Ye, that happened to us.
Speaker 6: That happened to us when we were in there. I
don't remember what song it was playing, I'm but it
did come on when we took our tour and there
was no electricity, you know, it was unplugged. I mean
there was electricity, but none of it was turned on
and definitely didn't have no heat in the damp place
cause we was freezing. So that's strange stuff, but strange
soon became scary. See, the first ghost that Lawson actually
saw was a dark, angry man that he said he
saw only behind the bar, and he said there were
others there, you know, the regular people there, but nobody
saw this apparition except for Carl. So later Carl started
to see a spirit that he said called herself Johanna. Oh,
so that's where all this is going to start coming
into play. She would actually speak to Losson and they
would have conversations. Well, rumors started that Carl was starting
to talk to himself from these conversations. He insisted that
she was real and that she left the smell of
roses whenever she came into the room or talked to him.
You know, why would she be there because we went
back to the story of what supposedly happened at the
Latin Quarter. Yeah, and here's one of the stories that
come out. Remember his name that was killed, her boyfriend,
the guy got her pregnant, was Robert Randall Mickey. Well,
Bobby Mackie's real name is Robert Randall Mackey. Ah, just
that little bit of difference between Mickey and Mackie so
some people seem to think, especially according to Carl, that
she's hanging around because she thinks maybe Bobby Mackey is
a reincarnated versions of her lover. So Carl starts to
notice all these odd sounds and noises that were happening
during these sightings, would see her. But then he starts
hearing these noises, he realized that these spirits seemed to
be the strongest in the basement area near the old
sealed up well. And as we talked earlier, that's the
only part of the building that remained from the original
slaughterhouse was as well.
Speaker 11: Yeah, when her dressing room's kind of down.
Speaker 6: There though, Yeah, but that was part of this building, Okay,
but I'm talking about from the original slaughterhouse. The only
thing left was Okay, so even at the Latin Quarter
and all that, that well was still part of that.
So Kral obviously knew the local history, and he obviously
knew the history of the well, and he knew that
the locals called this Hell's Gate. Karl wasn't a very
religious guy, but he decided to sprinkle some holy water
on that well. Well. That's when supposedly pardoned the pun
all Hell broke loose. He thought this might actually calm
down the activity, but instead it provoked him and the
activity escalated. After this, other employees and even customers began
to have weird experiences. They saw objects move around, they
saw lights turn off and on, did somebody voices and laughter,
And Bobby Mackie was not happy about all this ghost
talk by any means. He was convinced this would actually
ruin his club and chase people away. Bobby also says
that he doesn't believe that the place is haunted. Now.
Is that Bobby being truthful or is that Bobby not
wanting to ruin a good thing.
Speaker 11: That's going on.
Speaker 6: So Bobby said that Carl started telling stories, and this
is a quote from Bobby. He said, I told him
to be quiet about it. I don't want it getting
around about, you know, being haunted. I got everything I
owned stuck in this place, and I had to make it,
you know, work somehow. So Bobby's wife, Janet, on the
other hand, she did believe, and she had very good
reason to believe, because she told Bobby that she had
seen ghosts and felt overwhelming pressure and had even smelled
Johanna's rose scent. It got way worse for Janet though.
One day she was actually in the basement, she was
overwhelmed with a smell of roses and felt an unseen
kind of wind, just kind of squirrel around her. Well,
something grabbed her by the waist. It picked her up
and threw her back down.
Speaker 11: Oh dang.
Speaker 6: She got away from it, and when she got to
the top of the stairs, there was a pressure behind her,
pushing her down the steps. She looked back and there
was nothing there. But then she heard a voice that screamed,
get out God. At the time of the incident, Janet.
Speaker 11: Was oh no, don't you tell me. She was pregnant,
five months pregnant. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: She gave birth prematurely the very next day.
Speaker 3: Oh no.
Speaker 6: Once Janet came forward, so did several others.
Speaker 11: Did the baby live.
Speaker 6: Yes, the baby lives.
Speaker 11: Oh, thank gosh.
Speaker 6: It was premature by three months, but it did live.
It was only a little over a pound, a little girl.
I told you guys. At the end, there was a
interview with Jerry Springer. Listen to that because she tells
this entire story in detail, plus a bunch of us,
so very much worth listening to.
Speaker 11: She's very adamant even though Bobby don't believe.
Speaker 6: Her, and Bobby's pretty adamant that he still doesn't believe.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 6: Roger Heath used to do odd jobs at the club
and he said that one day he was helping Carl Lawson.
It was nice summer morning. He's in her helping him
and they were removing some light fixtures from the dance floor.
Carl was taking him down to the basement, he said.
Carl came back up from the basement and he had
two small handprints on the back of his shirt. He said,
it looked like a small woman was actually hugging him
because it was like pressed. They were indentions, not like this,
they were like pressed in like something happened. Another story
came from a young lady that was a hostess there,
and she said she encountered Johannah. She laughed at Carl
laws And when he would talk to her, and He's
pretty much thought the same thing that he must be
losing it. But she stopped laughing when she started smelling
roses at one time when he started talking to her.
Speaker 11: I mean, what was it she just had roses in
her dressing room all the time, or what was the deal?
Speaker 4: With a road.
Speaker 6: She wore a rose perfume.
Speaker 11: Oh I gotcha, Okay.
Speaker 6: Writer Doug Hensley kind of got wind of all the
stuff and he wanted to talk to some people about,
you know, what was going on there, But most people
refused to talk to him and do any interviews because why.
I guess they just didn't want to be singled out
or didn't want people to think they.
Speaker 11: Were what the deal was.
Speaker 6: Now, once Janet talked to him and told her story,
they had many other people that actually came forward. When
it was all said and done, he had over thirty
sworn affidavits from people that said they had.
Speaker 11: Experienced So even after all that, Bobby didn't believe any
of it. He didn't believe anything. That is so crazy
to me.
Speaker 6: So Hensley collected several stories, including one about a headless
ghost who was dressed in the turn of the century clothing.
Many different people gave the exact same description of this ghost,
and they didn't know that Hensley was talking to all
of them, so it was oh, it's either just the
biggest coincidence or people actually saw this. In nineteen ninety one,
an exorcism was performed in the club on Carl Lawson.
It was done like the kitchen area, and you know,
some people there's not a ton of information out there
on this, but it was listed in the book that
Hensley wrote, so you can actually pick up that book.
But there's a video on YouTube that actually shows the
big parts of the exorcism, so you can see it.
And I have some of the sound in that clip
from the Jerry Springer Show. There's some sound of it
in there, so when you listen to that, you'll be
able to hear that and hear Karl Lawson talk about
scared of his experiences. Unfortunately, Carl died in January twenty
sixth to twenty twelve. He was fifty three years old.
Janet Mackie passed away February fifteenth of two thousand and nine.
All right, let's take a couple of seconds to talk
about a couple of cool stories, one of which we
discovered on the tour than when we were out there
recently the Johanna, you know, we talked about her situation.
There was a wreck outside of the club. There's a
telephone pole right there, but a car had actually wrecked
into it and the Sheriff's department showed up or a
police officer wanted to, but a remember law enforcement shows
up and he pulls the driver out, and it's obvious
that the driver wasn't going to make it. This is
right in front of the club.
Speaker 11: I mean yeah, the I mean the road is right seriously,
right in front of the club. It's really close.
Speaker 6: Yeah, from the road to the door is probably five steps.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really scary.
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, it's really close. So this wreck happens right
in front of the club. Officers there, he pulls the
body out. Gentlemen didn't make it. At the time. The
door opens up to the club, young lady comes out
and she gives him a sheet to be able to
cover up the body with. Well, he turns around a thanker,
she's not there, you know, door's locked. Well, they ended
up calling the next day and they get a hold
of Bobby and said, hey, we wanted to get a
chance to think whoever that was that helped us out.
Unfortunately the gentleman's deceased. But she gave us the tablecloth
or whatever to be able to use to cover up
and we wanted to say thanks. And then he was
informed that there was nobody at the club that day.
Speaker 11: The police officer was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the police officer was told that there was nobody
at the club and the alarms were set, and if
there'd have been anybody in there, Bobby said he would
have gotten an alarm telling him that somebody was in there,
but there was absolutely nobody in there. So I thought
that was kind of a cool story. There's also the
story that Bobby wanted to do some renovations. He had
about one hundred thousand dollars worth of renovation plans. He
wanted to maybe build onto the building, make it a
little bit bigger. And when he started doing this, all
these weird things started happening, and one of which was
this giant crack just kind of happened outside, like in
the ground itself. And supposedly this place runs along some
kind of a fault line or something like that. But
when this happened, that prevented him from being able to
add on because it made it unsafe to be able
to add on where he was going to do that. Wow,
so you could look that as as somebody doesn't want
it to be messed with, or a good warning that
you probably shouldn't have done this. So who knows what
we talked about pro Brian. Obviously she was covered without
her or buried without her head and up in green Castle,
Indiana's with her where her grave is there was vandalism
and stuff, so she no longer has a headstone. That
just kills me off. People.
Speaker 11: I do not, for the life of me understand who
gets off on that. Why.
Speaker 6: So they had to remove the headstone, but you can
always find her grave there because people put pennies heads
up on the slab that's still there.
Speaker 11: No kid, ye, So I thought that was coming.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I also thought that Bobby, who doesn't believe
whatsoever in the paranormal, supposedly sits and watches video surveillance
all day long.
Speaker 11: Oh he does.
Speaker 6: He just watches for hours on end.
Speaker 11: Because he wants to see something.
Speaker 6: He doesn't tell anybody if he sees anything. But you know,
the staff is like, why is he watching all those?
Speaker 11: Yeah, he wants to know for peace of mind. I guess.
Speaker 6: I guess. Well, those are pretty much the rumors or
the lore of Bobby Mackey's. So do you want to
talk take a few minutes and talk about the truth
of what we do know as opposed to what the
myths were. Yes, you know, we like to debunk all this.
Speaker 11: I know we do so then sometimes it's disappointing.
Speaker 6: I know, I know, but that's what we are. We
like to bring the room down. So the Pearl Brian,
let's go. Let's go to her situation. At the crime scene,
a single set of footprints were found leading up to
the hill towards the Covington Water Reservoir. Authorities found an
abandoned cistern that was empty, covered by a large rock,
and the large rock had a bloody handprint on it.
When I said, the cistern was completely empty, so there
was no head in there. But the footsteps kind of
stopped at the reservoir. Oh, so it would make sense
that that bloody handprint and all that would have something
to do with it. Now, keep in mind there was
only one set of footprints, and that'll come into play
it a little later in the story. Scott Jackson accused
Walling of committing this murder. Walling was impressionable and a
little slow by all accounts. Most likely he didn't have
the mental capacity to plan a murder like this. He
might have been able to help commit it, but he
probably couldn't plan this. And when I hear this, it
makes me think of the making of the murderer deal
with that Brendan Dacy, how he admitted to everything, but
at the same time felt like he was co horsed
and maybe he just wouldn't very smart and didn't really
know what he was saying. That's kind of what it
makes me think about. So Waling actually said that it
was all Jackson, and the night before Jackson was supposed
to go, you know, be hung, he said that he
was the only one involved and he did the murder
by himself. Well, that would kind of match up with
what we found out that there was one set of
the prince leading away. Unfortunately, when they put that noose
around his neck, he completely changed his mind and said
he was innocent. So he the night before he admits
to all of it and said he was by hisself. Yeah,
you know, Walling was a little pissed off at this,
as you can imagine, because he's up on the gallows
getting ready to get hung. Walling said that the only
man that can save my life, if he will, is
Scott Jackson. He said, I die an innocent man. I
was not even there when she was killed. The crime
scene also was four miles away, so That makes it
very unlikely that they're going to grab ahead, kill her,
grab ahead and take it four miles away to do
this ceremony, right, So that's another thing that could be
a little bit of discrepancy. It's possible that they might
have passed by the building, but there's no proof of that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: During the trial, both accused each other of throwing the
head in the Ohio River. There's no mention at all
of any type of well or anything like that in
any of their testimony. Many locals don't remember ever hearing
any of these occult stories until Carl Lawson started talking
about the well and all this stuff. So most of
the locals will tell you until Carl Lawson came around
in the late seventies, there was no story other than
the actual murder and the hanging of what happened. And
obviously her head was missing, but there was no talk
of it ever in part of a Satanic ritual, or
this well being use for anything other than prohibitioners getting
liquor and stuff. Oh my, go's so now let's shift
here to Johannah. Remember, Johannah was supposed to be the
daughter of the owner of the Latin Quarter, and if
you look back at it. The Latin Corner Quarter, the
owners had it from nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixty one.
The Cleveland four, which was a mob, actually owned it.
Mode Dallits was the head of the mob at the time.
He only had one daughter and her daughter's name was Suzanne.
Red Masterson was part of this group and he had
a daughter, but it couldn't be him because in Johanna's
journal it supposedly said my dad and Red Masters and
so her dad and Red Masterson couldn't be in the
same thing if it read Matterson was her dad, so
that wouldn't it. There was a Joe Hannah who committed
suicide by poisoning, but her name was Johannah Reagan and
she was just a few miles up the road off
of forty four Pike Road in Covington, But that happened
in nineteen fourteen. This supposedly happened in the nineteen fifties,
so that didn't make any sense. You also got the
situation of back in this day, if you weren't married
or you didn't have a job, you lived at home
with your parents as a daughter. No matter how like
we hear about Lizzie Borden lived at home when she
was like thirty five years old, and that's what would
have happened. No mobster would have had his daughter working
as a dancer, because that would have been a scandalous deal.
No mobster would have had his daughter working in the
club as a dancer and living at his house. That's
not going to be the situation. Also, when you think
about it, mobsters they didn't take bring their family to
work because of all the other stuff that could have
went on. So they wouldn't have had, you know, anybody
that was part of their family, immediate family working at
the clothes.
Speaker 11: Now, they didn't want to maybe find out the dealings
going on.
Speaker 6: Well, it' saw so much that they don't want to
take the chance.
Speaker 11: Of of people coming there and getting hurt because.
Speaker 6: There's always gonna be somebody or starting trouble. So it
just doesn't make any sense at all. The story doesn't
make any sense at all. So the chances are that's
a completely fictitious story. And keep in mind, this whole
story came from Carl Lawson saying that he found the
journal and all stuff, but he never showed that journal
at anybody, So there's no proof that a journal was
ever found. This could have just been all Carl's story
made up. And then we've got the love poem slash
suicide note that was written on the wall. Well, it
turns out that that's probably fake too, because that's a
common verse that's been used in songs and other poems
and stuff like that. So it really wouldn't much of
a love story. So I'm sorry to bring everybody down,
but it doesn't look like a lot of the stories
that become part of Bobby Micky's Law, Yeah, have a
lot of truth to them. We know Carol Brian died,
we know that murder happened, and we know who did it,
and all that stuff with the hangings true, but you
know who knows about the rest of it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean, but there's still enough reason for
people to hunt that place.
Speaker 6: Oh actually, there was all kinds of murders and stuff
like that that happened there.
Speaker 3: So wow.
Speaker 6: What I want to do at this point is listen
to the young ladies Angie and Laura from gate Keeper Paranormal.
They're the ones who do the tour there, Okay, And
I think you will find this fascinating because We talked
for about thirty minutes on all kinds of stuff and
they've got some really cool stories. And as a bonus,
they have spent some time at Waverley, so if you're
planning on coming to our Waverley tour, we ask them
a little bit about some of that stuff that they've
encountered up in Waverley. So I think you'll get a
big kick out of this. All right, we are joined
on the phone by Laura and Angie from Gatekeeper Paranormal.
They are actually the paranormal group that do the tours
of Bobby Mackey, so I thought it would be fun
to have them on and discuss some stories of what
they've seen during their time there. Laura, Angie, Welcome to
the show. I'm so glad we had two of you on.
This is the first time we've been able to talk
to anybody who's done any of the tours at Bobby Mackey.
And we've talked about Bobby's on this show. Obviously being
a paranormal show, that's one of the top stories out there,
especially when you live in the state like we do.
But you guys can probably add a lot of flavor
to this because I'm sure you've seen things with as
much time as you spent in that place that others
haven't seen. So why don't we start with both of
you telling me how long you've actually been given the
tours there?
Speaker 13: Okay, this is Laura in July. I think it's July, Angie,
this will be our fifth year in July.
Speaker 3: Yep, five years almost.
Speaker 6: And if both of you been doing it that whole time,
or has one been there longer than the other.
Speaker 13: No, we both started at the same time.
Speaker 6: That's phenomenal because that means you probably have really good
chemistry with each other. And I would guess you guys
are on the same page all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: Are you too? There are there other members of Gatekeeper
Paranormal or are you two it?
Speaker 3: We have gosh what three or four others, jan who
isn't with us tonight, obviously, and then we have Matthew,
who is Laura's husband, and also Tanya. She's like one
of our I don't know, I guess our guests or
one of our honor group members. She actually lives out
of state.
Speaker 6: Well, so that sounds to me. I'm not a genius
by any means, but it sounds to me, like, this
is a predominantly woman group.
Speaker 13: Well, it totally is, because Matthew doesn't he doesn't give
the tours and he reluctantly goes on a few investigations
with us.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we are mostly female.
Speaker 6: So awesome. I know that's probably going to make a
lot of people proud when they hear this, because we
talked to Amy Bernie a while back, and one of
the questions that I actually asked Amy was did she
feel like she was somewhat of a trendsetter and did
she take pride in knowing that she was a role
model for so many females out there in a field
that's pretty much, you know, dominated by men. And she'd
said she really hadn't thought about it like that, but
now that it was proposed to her that it did
kind of make her feel good. So I guess the
same thing would apply to you, young ladies.
Speaker 13: It's yeah, there are mostly guys that come on our tours.
I mean, there are women, but as far as groups go,
it's either a mixture or it's all guys. I mean,
it's very rare I think that you see in all
female paranormal group.
Speaker 6: So let me ask you this I'm going to start
off with this one only because and I didn't have
the the guts to ask Bobby myself. But I've seen
some interviews in which it's pretty much laid out that
Bobby doesn't really believe in spirits or the place is haunted.
And then it's also been kind of laid out that
maybe some of the people are just instructed to say
that what do you guys think. I don't know if
you know or not, but what do you think? Do
you think that he believes that there's actual stuff going
on there or does he just not.
Speaker 3: Buy into it? I, honestly, I do not think he
believes in this stuff. We did an interview with Bobby
Gosh how long has it been now almost two years
or more, in which we asked him that very question,
and he claims that he has not had any type
of paranormal experiences. Nothing has really happened to him to
really make him believe that the bar is haunted. He's
never had that experience.
Speaker 6: And you know, and what I always found out about that,
I can definitely understand how somebody could feel that way.
But considering that, you know, his wife God rest or
soul before she passed pretty much didn't want to have
anything to do with the place because of what she
felt like was experiences. You would have thought that maybe
he might lean a little more that way, but I
guess he probably doesn't.
Speaker 3: Probably not.
Speaker 13: I mean, he's he's always just been focused on his music,
and I think that's all he thinks about is his music.
And of course now that because at first he didn't
want it getting out. He didn't want anybody talking about
the place being haunted because he thought people wouldn't come there.
But now here we are, all these years later, and
people are actually paying money to come there and sit
in the dark and look for ghosts. So you know,
I think he's all for it now. But at first
he didn't want people thinking it was haunted.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's it's whether you believe in it
or not. It's obviously been a very good business move
for the bar, so I mean, without a doubt, that's
what he should have done.
Speaker 13: So yeah, and I can remember, excuse me, I'm from
this area originally, I'm I grew up here, and I
can remember people talking about it when I was in
college here. I went to Northern Kentucky University, and I
can remember people talking about Bobby Mackie's and that it
was haunted. And now this is late eighties, early nineties
that people are talking about it before all the ghost
hunting shows and before all this was really you know, popular,
I guess you could say people were talking about the
bar being haunted. So it's not really a new phenomenon
that's happened since you know, the ghost hunting shows came along.
You know.
Speaker 6: It's and my wife grew up she grew up in
dry Ridge, so you know, she'd heard all the stories
years ago too, And so I mean it's it's like
you said, if you're in that area, it was probably
the worst kept secret ever that the place was haunted. Yeah,
before we get too much in depth into the stories
of Bobby Mackie, tell me a little bit about how
you guys started up so we can get a little
information on Gatekeeper Paranormal.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, gosh. Laura and I actually we met. We
both had a mutual acquaintance and were invited to uh
to investigate Waverley Hills and UH so that's when Laura
and I met. We just kind of struck up a
friendship from there, and soon after she and I both
joined another local, uh paranormal group, and we're with them
for a year or so, and then you know, just
kind of decided to branch off on our own, uh,
you know, do our own thing. And that's you know
pretty much how we formed, you know, Gatekeeper Paranormal.
Speaker 6: So how do you how did you both get into
the paranormal field to begin with?
Speaker 13: Oh, I've always been interested in it, you know, since
I was a little girl, and then as I got older,
as I was a teenager, I was the one that was,
you know, sneaking into abandoned houses and and you know,
just always looking for for haunted places to sneak into,
basically because back then, you know, it was harder to
find organized ghost tons or tours. And then you know,
I guess once it kind of became popular that people
started forming groups. You know, I started looking for one,
and actually I had a hard time finding one in
this area anyway, And eventually, like Angie said, you know,
we went to Waverley Hills and then we joined the
other group in this area, and you know that was
my start in it, but I've been doing it on
my own for years before that.
Speaker 6: Well, before we get off of the interview tonight, I'm
going to ask you a little bit about Waverley Hills.
We'll cover Bobby Mackie's first, but our listeners out there
would be interested in that because April twenty eighth, we
have a live event in Louisville with two other shows,
but we're going directly afterwards to both of the tours
that Waverley Hills has to offer that night, and they
have fifty tickets available for the first tour we sold
that out months ago, and then the other tour that night.
I think there's only fifteen or sixteen tickets left for
that one, so we're going to end up having one
hundred people at both of these tours that night, so
they'll be really interested in what you guys might have
uncovered that night when you were there. So before we
get into that, though, I definitely want to cover Bobby
Mackie since that's the reason I brought you on. Give
me an idea of some things that you guys have
seen on some of these tours over the years that
maybe even caught you guys a little off guard, or
that really stood out amongst some of the other patrons
that were actually taking the tour.
Speaker 3: Oh Wow, gosh, the shaking building story. That's always my favorite,
well one of many, So yeah, pretty much. I had
a two hour group and it was pretty quiet actually
during their entire tour. And just as they were lead me,
I was walking them out the door, locked the door,
went back to the gift shop to finish up, and
I was standing there and I started to hear these
knocking noises that were around me and the gift shop,
and I stopped and I listened, and it was not
just a random knock. It was actually a pattern. There
was like two or three knocks and then it would stop,
and then I would hear two or three knocks again,
and it stopped, and I just kind of ignored it.
I really didn't, you know, think too much of it,
and continued on. And then so I started to hear
some it sounded like bottles actually shaking at the bar,
and it was so profound that I thought, well, somebody
actually has to be in here, and I thought, maybe,
you know, Bobby's PR guy had come into the building.
So I poked my head out the gift shop and
I'm yelling for him. Nobody's answering, and I'm standing there
and I'm listening, and so the bottles they stopped shaking
and go back to finish up again what I was doing,
and then all of a sudden, the whole building just
started to shake. If you could feel it, you could
hear it, the windows and the doors, you could actually
hear them shaking. And it did it for probably, you know,
five or six seconds, which is actually a pretty long time, right,
And it was so profound. Again, I thought, somebody has
got to be in this building. So, you know, again,
I'm yelling for you know, RJ, and I'm even texting
me and I'm like, dude, I know you're here. There's
somebody in this building, and he's swearing that it's not him.
And so I even went back and looked at the
security footage the cameras rolled back five minutes, just to
make sure there's nobody inside or outside of the building,
and in fact there was no one, but it was
so it's just really hard to explain. All you could
hear there was like metal rattling. You could hear it
in you could feel it. That's probably one of the
most significant things I think that has ever happened to me. There.
Of course, I was blowne and of course I didn't
have my audio recorder on. It always happens that way
when you never have your you know, your equipment, and
you're never ready for it.
Speaker 6: We know that. That brings me to ask you a question.
When we took our tour, and it was before you
guys were doing the tours, there was no electricity, no heat,
nothing on during the day because they're only open at
night time. Is that still the case?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, there's electricity.
Speaker 13: I mean we can turn lights on, but in the winter,
they don't really turn the heat on unless it's like
seriously below zero where the pipes are going to freeze, right,
But they normally don't turn the heat on during the day,
I guess just to save money. So it's pretty cold
in there during the day.
Speaker 6: What kind of feelings do you guys get? Are you
pretty much you know, immune to it at this point
or do you is there still certain places that you
go into that occasionally you'll just get that weird kind
of feeling or a vibe or what's it like for
you guys now that you've been there for so long.
Speaker 13: Well, sometimes, I mean it varies day by day, and
sometimes I'll walk in there and feel absolutely nothing, and
it's just like going into any building and it just
doesn't bother me at all. But then there are other days,
or i should say nights or whatever, where I'll walk
in and you know, a lot of times I'll get
there before my tour group arrives, just to go in
and unlock the doors and you know, turn on a
couple of lights. And sometimes you just as soon as
you cross the threshold from you know, like where you
pay to get in and then walk into the bar,
you know where those doors are. Sometimes I'll just step
across that and there'll be this It's just a heaviness
in the air, and I'll be like nope, and I'll
turn around and walk right back out and wait outside
for the people to get there. Because sometimes you just
feel like you shouldn't go in there.
Speaker 3: And it very quickly it can turn as well, you know,
like Laura said, if you go in, you don't feel anything,
but it can very quickly. That vibe can turn, you know,
where all of a sudden you get the feeling that
you're being watched. There's someone behind me, or there's someone
in the corner. It just again, it can turn very quickly.
Speaker 6: Is there a part of the bar that has more
activity than other parts or is it just random throughout?
Speaker 13: I'd say random throughout for me anyway. I mean there's
sometimes you know, people always talk about the basement and
the well as that being so scary, but honestly, and
I think Angie feels the same way. We've had just
as much activity on the main floor in the bar
area as.
Speaker 3: We've had downstairs. Yeah, there is a little room down
in the basement, the little cell area. If we had
to pick the most active spot, maybe in the basement area.
I would think that might be it for some people
as far as is the cool things that have happened
to people. But you know, like Laura said, we also
get just as much upstairs on the main level, but.
Speaker 13: Most of at least for me, most of and this
is not a common occurrence, but I have had people
who have been scratched, and most of the time that
happens in the well room or around the jail cell.
Speaker 3: From my tours, yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Know, And that's funny. We went when we went the
other night, we had a couple of visitors down from
Wisconsin and they were taking a bunch of pictures, and
none of their pictures turned down, even though they were
looking at them during the time they took them. But
it was in that room, that little small room right
before you get to the room of faces. Inside that room,
they took pictures, we were looking at them, and then
all of a sudden the next morning, neither one of
them had them on their phone. They'd like it was
like they deleted only those from that room. And I
just thought that was extremely strange.
Speaker 3: I've had some things actually thrown at me in that
little room. As I was going into the room of faces,
there was something thrown at me in that little area.
Speaker 13: And that little piece of pottery, that little you know,
the little white Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually had a few things thrown at me,
even even upstairs on the main level, a little cube
of pool chalk around the bullpen area. Uh, there was
you know, that was thrown at me up there as well.
Speaker 6: And for those of you listening at home that haven't
been there. When you're in the basement area, you can
walk into the basement where the well stuff is, but
you can walk in through the outside of the building
and when you walk in, you've got your big room.
It's it's a lot of storage. If you if you
first walk into your left, you've got like what used
to be an old walk in freezer, and then there's
a lot of stuff that's powered up dinner they've accumulated
through the years. But then you can take a right
and go into that little room we were talking about,
and it's it really is a little room about the
size of a small bedroom. And then you go it
goes straight through that room into another room they call
a Room of Faces, where people are going there and
they leave little mementos and stuff like that, and they'll
try to have little prmal investigations and stuff in there.
But the little room that leads to it, it really
looks just like, you know, just a small room, but
it's dark. There's no lights or anything in there. And
that's the room that we were talking about. So yet
it's kind of it's kind of an eerie feeling there
without a doubt. Right, what about the bathrooms, ladies, We hear,
you know, they didn't touch anything on that on the tour,
but we hear I've heard a lot of stories, especially
you know, the women's room, I hear is really uncomfortable
for a lot of women. And in the men's room,
obviously almost resulted in a lawsuit at one point for Bobby.
Speaker 13: Yeah, like when I told you that, you know, when
I was growing up in college here and I used
to hear stories about Bobby Mackey's, it was always about
the woman's bathroom. Would be like, oh, don't go in
the ladies room because you see things in the mirror
or the water will turn on. To be perfectly honest,
In the almost five years we've been there, I've never
had anything happen to me in either bathroom.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe Angie has, but I haven't. Now
I have. It's been a while. It's probably been at
least three three years ago again doing a two hour tour,
and you know, of course I don't always go in
the women's restroom unless you know, the our guests want to,
and this particular group wanted to go in, and the
water was not on, you know, everything was normal, and
of course you know they're checking out the mirrors, and
so later on as we're walking through the rest of
the bar, we start to hear what sounds like, you know,
water running, and I you know, of course I'm investigating
the bar area to make sure none of the sinks
are on at the bar, I hear nothing. Go to
the men's restroom, nothing's on. But when I went to
the women's room, one of the sinks the faucets had
turned on and again, like Laura said, that is you know,
some of the claims that we've heard through the years
is that the water will turn on by itself, and
it was running, and it was running full blast.
Speaker 6: You know, that's pretty common though, whether you hear hauntings
about businesses or houses or whatever, it's a pretty common
thing to hear water being turned off and on. I
don't know if that's just because it takes a little
little energy to do that, but between doors opening and closing,
and cabinets opening and closing, and water being turned on,
that seems to be the three most common things, and
lights being turned off and on. Brand So, have you
ever had any times, and this is for both of you,
have you ever had any time when you've been in there,
either by yourself before tour or on a tour, to
where you felt really uncomfortable or you felt fear.
Speaker 13: I don't know about like fear, but well I guess
it was fear because I've this was probably one of
the last tours I did.
Speaker 3: I haven't been there in a while.
Speaker 13: It went is kind of slow for us for tours,
although Angie did a lot in January. But one of
the last ones I remember, I had to go back in.
I think I accidentally walked out with basement keys because
they're separate keys for the basement. So I had to
go back inside and put the keys away, and it
was nighttime. I didn't turn on any lights. I just
took my flashlight and I walked in and I was
almost to the end of the bar, because they keep
the basement keys in an old cash register at the
end of the bar. I was almost there and I
heard a man's voice. I don't know what he said.
I couldn't make it out. I just heard the man's
voice and I'm like, oh no, and I just kind
of threw the keys in the direction of the drawer
and they fortunately landed in the drawer, and I hopped
skip and jump right on out of there, because I,
you know, it just caught me.
Speaker 3: I was all the way at the.
Speaker 13: End of the bar, and it was a little bit
of a journey to get back to the front door,
and I heard a man's voice and yeah, I got
out of there, which I don't like that.
Speaker 3: We hear that quite often, you know, we're in there.
We hear these male voices quite often. As a matter
of fact, when we were doing the interview with Bobby
a couple of years ago, we were hearing a male's
voice coming from that area. But you remember that, Laura,
We even we stopped in the middle of our interview
and was listening. Now, I can't remember if Bobby said
he heard it or if he didn't. He probably said
he didn't meet right, But but you could clearly you
could hear and it sounded very authoritative, like it had
a very deep tone, and it was just again you
could you could get a vibe, you just felt a
vibe from it that it was an authoritative type no voice.
Speaker 13: And it was in that same area at down the
end of the bar where that big you know, red
wall is. And I'll tell you an interesting fact about
that area. The first documented murder that happened in the
club happened and right there at the end of that bar,
because that area at the bar when the club was
the Primrose Country Club back in the thirties, the men's
bathroom was there at the end of the bar, and
in nineteen thirty two, a man was killed in that bathroom.
He got in a fight with another guy. The guy
punched him and he fell down and hit his head
on a radiator and he died in the bathroom. So
it's a little, you know, coincidental maybe that we hear
male voices right in that area at the end of
the bar where the first the first death, the first
murder happened in the club.
Speaker 6: So while we're on the subject of things happening back then,
do you ladies have any opinions on a lot of
the not going to say, I guess, for lack of
a better term, folklore of what's happened in the place. Obviously,
we've got the story that you know of Pearl's head
being you know, possibly put down the well and a
Satanic ritual, and then you know, you've got the the
all the murders that could have happened from the mob
there and all these different you know, we've got Carl
Lawson and you know, the the Holy Water deal with
with the well and causing unleashing something. How much of
that stuff do you guys buy into or or actually believe?
And I know that's a loaded question.
Speaker 3: If you want a percentage of it to Carl.
Speaker 13: Carl was a real person, obviously, and he did plan
to have a lot of experiences there. Carl Bryant was
a real person. She was murdered, But as far as
her head being thrown down the well in a Satanic ritual, no,
we don't.
Speaker 3: We don't believe that.
Speaker 6: I've heard.
Speaker 3: There's never no, there's no proof you know that that
that that actually happened, or you know, there's no documentation
really that exists that explains her how there's any kind
of I don't know why a relationship maybe on why
Pearl would have any access to that building anyway, So
it's very questionable.
Speaker 6: Right And you know, I've dug up some information when
I was doing research before on this that you know,
and I don't remember all the details at this moment,
but it was something to the fact of the field
where they found her body a while later. I don't
remember the length of time, but they did find a
head that was just a skull or something, which they
said probably almost had to have been hers because of
the fact that the proximity of where the body was,
and what would the chances of just the random skull
being there so I mean, who knows, But yeah, I'm
with you. I don't, you know, it makes for a
heck of a story. I just don't know.
Speaker 13: One thing you have to remember is when those stories
Carl May he rest in peace, but he's the one
really that started all of those stories. And we're talking
I guess late eighties, mid or mid eighties when he
started telling these stories. And back then, you know, we
didn't have internet access, and we didn't have the access
to public records that we have now. How it's so
easy to research things. It's so easy to look up
old newspaper articles and things like that. So you know,
I think back then you could get away with saying
a lot more than you can now because now somebody
can look it up and call you on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah here than they could back then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't hear anybody saying google it back in
the eighties, exactly. Guys. I appreciate all your input on
this because I think this definitely adds to the story.
And you know, our show we like to give you know,
the rumors and the lower behind it, but we also
like to talk about what you know may or may
not be the actual fact. So we like to cover
all sides of it, so it's great to be able
to hear some of these stories from you guys. But
before I let you go, I do want to touch
on the Waverly deal. Talk about when you guys did
your investigation of Waverley and how that differs from what
you experience at Bobby Mackie's compared to there. Can you
kind of compare the two for me a little bit.
I know it's a little apples to oranges, but it's quite.
Speaker 3: A bit apples. Yeah, we've been there what how many
times on the probably what ten? At least ten?
Speaker 13: Yeah, and in fact you said you're having an event
there on the twenty eighth.
Speaker 3: We're actually going on the.
Speaker 13: Twenty twenty sixth of April, so we'll be there a
couple of days before you.
Speaker 6: Will, Oh wow. Nice.
Speaker 3: But each time we go it's I mean, we it's
been quiet honestly the past couple of years, but we've
had some pretty significant things happen in the in the
past though. Yeah, we've had some some crazy things. I'll
tell you a story and it involves a bat. But
we were on and I think it was the fourth floor,
and if you've been there, you know, they have those
kind of bars on the wall. I guess people held
on to them when they were walking or whatever. But
it was there were four of us, and it was
actually Tanya and Matthew were across from I don't know
who was next to me, if it was Angie or
if it was Sandy, I don't remember. Think it was me, Yeah,
was it you? Okay?
Speaker 13: Anyway, I was kind of leaning on one of those bars,
so my head was not back against the wall. I
was kind of leaning forward with my hands on my knees,
and we were just, you know, just staying in one spot, listening,
trying to see what was going on, and all of
a sudden, it felt like somebody was slapping the back
of my head. I mean like somebody took their hands
and was slapping my head. And of course I screamed
and ran and just freaked out because that's what I do.
But I think it was a bat that got in
my hair, But everybody else seems to think it wasn't
a bat.
Speaker 3: But it scared the crap out of me. I'll tell
you that it was. It was pretty comical. I mean,
of course, being in Bobby Macki's on some of the
top floors there there are bats, you know. Some of
the windows are still you know, oh, I'm sorry, Waverley,
some of the windows are you know, knocked out. That's
on the you know, the higher levels. But I didn't
see about at that particular time, but I did earlier.
But yeah, we got a good laugh out of that.
But well, Laura, you you said that you saw what
the Big Black I guess is is what they like
to call.
Speaker 13: It was actually the first time I was ever at Waverley,
which was probably like two thousand and five for two
thousand and six, there's an entity there they call Big Black,
who's just a big black shadow mass and Matthew and
I were just on a two hour tour with like,
you know, five hundred other people or whatever.
Speaker 3: But we saw him.
Speaker 13: And that was that was kind of scary too. And
we also had the experienced Angie on the second floor
by a capcheria with the doors rattling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can still remember that vividly. I remember my
heart counting. It was. It was kind of scary, and
we've got the audio of that too, I'm pretty sure.
But we did. We heard I don't remember what level
level it was, but the door at the end of
the hallway. Was there were there stairs on the outside
of that lore, I don't think there were.
Speaker 13: It was a fire escape, but they had taken the
ladder away because so people couldn't get.
Speaker 3: In right, so you could see the light from the
outside coming in underneath the door. But of course, you know,
there's no way to get to that door. We're on
one of the upper levels. And we kept hearing this sounded,
you know, metal rattling, like a like a door or
something metal was rattling, and we walked closer and we
continued to hear it, and you know, at first we
thought it was you know, Matthew, you know, kind of
playing around and rattling the door, because on the audio
you can hear Laura yelling, you know, Matthew stop it,
or you know, telling the name to quit. But then
it would continue to do it, and it was coming
from that door at the end of the hall.
Speaker 13: And where were all these people in the building at
that time? It was just me, Angie, Tanya just as three.
Everybody else was gone, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3: We heard drums. I remember the first time that I
was there. We would hear like there was actual drums
at the end of a long corridor. We'd stop and
we'd listen and you could hear and it was it
kind of uh, you know, you could hear it all
through the that that level, that floor that we were on,
and it was very loud. And I remember asking that
the guide, you know, that the tour guide, what the
what the drumming was, and he of course had no idea.
So we walked down towards that that area, and then
of course it disappears, but you know, it stops. But
you know, Waverley is pretty uh, it's it's got its own.
The fourth floor is pretty intense, I think, especially around
the operating room.
Speaker 6: Did you guys have any any odd experiences in either
room Favel two or the body tunnels.
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 13: No, those are actually those two places I don't really
care to go to because nothing has ever happened for
me there. I like the fourth floor, I like all
the floors except the fifth floor. I just it doesn't
do anything for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the fourth floor in the gift shop area
on the first floor is actually I've had a lot
more things happen to me in that area as well.
I was probably I think we weren't there maybe an hour,
and I remember hearing a very clear, loud, you know, breath,
like somebody exhaling right in my left ear, and it
was it was so close I could feel it. But
I also thought it also reminded me of maybe there
was a speaker or some kind of like a little
machine that creates wind of some sort. And I remember
taking my flashlight and shining it up to the ceiling
and of course I see, you know, there's nothing there,
and there's no one that within an arm's length near
me that would have even created that, But there was
just this very loud exhale right in my ear, and
I just remember feeling it and it just gave me
chills down my spine.
Speaker 6: Well, that's you know, and that's the whole thing. That's
why I'm so excited. We're doing back to back tours.
We're going to the seventh or the eight o'clock and
then at ten o'clock right afterwards, so we'll have a
double chance to catch something hopefully. Ladies. I greatly appreciate
the fact that you gave us some time and came on,
and I especially loved the bonus information of Waverley because
I definitely wouldn't expect them to get that tonight. So
that was a fun little plus for me. So, Angie,
you were saying earlier that you actually have seen people
scratched down there. Can you tell me the story about
when you've actually seen this happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we used to help volunteer do some of
the bar tours, and this particular weekend was volunteering and
I had a group of people down in the basement.
We were down in the well room and there was
this guy. I just kept watching him because he kept
grabbing his back and he wasn't standing up against the wall.
He wasn't, you know, standing in the middle of the room,
but he was standing about, you know, two feet away
from the wall and kept grabbing his back. And later
on we made our way down towards the dressing rooms
and he was standing in the doorway of one of
those dressing rooms and he grabs his back again and
then he's, you know, very vocal. He's like, oh, there's
there's something wrong with my back. So his girlfriend that
was with him, he had her raise up his coat.
He had a coat on, he had a fleece jacket
underneath that, and then a thermal shirt underneath that. He
had her raise up his clothes to look at his back,
and you could see three scratches down his back. So
I even went as far as asking his girlfriend to
show me her fingernails. I wanted to make sure that
she did not scratch him, and sure enough, she was
a nail buyer, so there was no way that she
could have inflicted those on his back. In the angle
of those scratches, there was no way that he would
be able to inflict those on himself. And what's funny
is there was a piece of wallpaper in between his
coat and his jacket that fell out that matched the
type of wallpaper that is hanging in the well room.
So that's just one of the you know, the many
times that I've seen people, you know, actually be physically
touched and scratched in some way down in the basement.
Speaker 6: Now, I'm going to recover some ground that we covered
off the air, because I thought this was interesting point
that you brought up. You know, we talked about the
fact that some of these stories may be a little
more based in lower than actual fact. But what is
fact is that place, as far as where it's located at,
can just be a mass of energy from various different reasons.
Can you expand on that a little bit for me.
Speaker 3: Well, you've got the Limestone Hills, the cliffs that are
right across the street. You have the river, the Licking River,
which flows north. From what I understand, there's only a
few rivers in the world that actually do that. We're
told we've had some proof, but then some things have
kind of debunked this that there could possibly be an
underground river and also a fault line in that area.
So you know, you've got all of these different types
of you know, energy that is a conduit to energy.
I guess you could say, you know, that area is
also known as as Gallows Gap. Back in the late
seventeen hundreds early eighteen hundreds, there were you know, lynchings
and hangings in that area. From what I understand, there
was a lot of Native American activity along with you know,
some of the soldiers. And also you know, that area
is part of you know, the underground railroad as well,
you know, and then there was a bridge that was
close by that collapsed during the instruction of that bridge
in the late eighteen hundreds, in which a lot of
men were killed. And also that stretch of highway, you know,
where Bobby Mackie is at. There's been a lot of
fatal accidents. As a matter of fact, across the street
from the parking lot, there was a fatal accident there.
You know, they have the cross there. So there's been
a lot of tragic things that's happened, you know, in
and around that area, not in the bar itself.
Speaker 6: That's like I said, that's that's truly fascinating that you
get all those things combined. It definitely it's got to
lead to some kind of activity there without a doubt. Great,
tell everybody how they can find out more about Gatekeeper
Paranormal because I know you guys do some residential stuff
as well as businesses and stuff. Tell us a little
bit about what you got going on and how they
can find out more about you.
Speaker 13: Well, we do tours at Bobby Mackie's Sunday through Thursday
all year round, and you can find us on Facebook
and Gatekeeper Paranormal or you can go to Gatekeeper Paranormal
dot com and if you're interested in booking a tour,
you can book it right on our website.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, and we'll talk to you soon
because I'm sure we might hook back up with you
again right before we go to Waverley and hear a
few more stories and maybe get some advice from you
guys for the listeners.
Speaker 3: That are going. That'd be great. Yeah, I would thank.
Speaker 6: You so much, ladies, right, thank you. So they definitely
had some stories to tell, didn't.
Speaker 11: I They sure did, And that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: And I love the fact that they touched on Waverley
a little bit, and they're going to be at Waverley
just a couple of days before we're going to be there,
you can is. I thought that was pretty awesome. So
here's the deal. Obviously, we've got some stuff coming up
that's going to wrap up most of our Bobby Macky stuff. Now,
we are going to put that fifteen minute interview with
Jerry Springer, which I would advise everybody to listen to.
It's awesome. There's not a boring second in it. And
I wanted to make sure that we reminded everybody that
we've got a couple of live events coming up April
fourteenth in just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio. If you're in
that Cincinnati area, Prohio Podcast Ourselves and Mysterious circumstances, Tickets
are selling out really quick for that one. They're about
half gone already. That's going to be at a Rooster's
up there in Milford, Ohio. Is the actual name of
the town, but like I said, it's the suburb of Cincinnati,
and we can't wait to do that when that's going
to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it will be a lot of fun and can't
wait to see you guys.
Speaker 6: And I'll put the link up on our Facebook page
so you can get tickets if you'd like to get
them in that area. Two weeks later, April twenty eighth,
the big Waverley event Fright Night in the Ville, Louisville, Kentucky.
We got pleasing terrors ourself, history goes bump all doing
a live show, and then we're going to a tour
of Waverley. So how cool exagutration. I get to do
two tours.
Speaker 11: I know, I don't know about all that, but I
hope it's gonna go good. I mean, I mean not
for me anyway. So I figured if something don't get
me the first round, it might have a chance to
get me the second round.
Speaker 6: Tickets for that I'll post a link for that also,
but they're really almost gone. We've got eleven as of today,
we've got eleven tickets left for the live event. And
I know we sold out the first tour of Waverley,
which was seven thirty that night, April twenty eighth. That
was fifty tickets. That sold out really quick. So we decided, hey,
let's do another one. And the last I heard, there's
only like, I think there was eighteen tickets left on
that one the last time. Look, so it's probably less now.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and we can't thank you guys enough for coming
and joining us in the other two podcasters. No, it's
gonna be fun, Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean that
means the world to all of us. And it's just
going to be so much fun meeting you guys, and
it's just going to be a great time.
Speaker 6: Just like it. It just means that we're going to
do more of these things because we are blown away
by the response we got.
Speaker 11: I know, it's amazing.
Speaker 6: We're already talking to pleasing terrors and history goes bump
about doing things closer to their necks.
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Charleston, South Carolina, or Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 11: So hey, that sounds good to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure it does, it does go.
Speaker 11: We can't wait for all this excitement.
Speaker 6: I want to give a shout out to a longtime
listener that's never had one. Miss SHAWNA Johnson up in Farmington, Michigan.
She's a Louisville girl, but she lives up in Michigan
now and she listens on a regular basis. Most of
you probably saw her picture in the sweatshirt that we posted.
Speaker 11: No thanks, sweetheart, beaut it ful anytime you can get
a free model, That's what I'm going. We appreciate all
you guys supporting us and you know, and buying our
merchandise and everything like that. It's just it still blows
our mind to this day how blessed we are. So
we love you guys.
Speaker 6: So speaking of that, to purchase some of our merchandise
or to is like to say to percha our merch.
Speaker 11: Hey, you just make that up. Yeah I don't like it.
Speaker 6: It almost sounds kind of dirty though, but anyway, perch
our merch. So I'll never forget one time when I
went out, I was on the radio and I was
telling them how to find me because my stage name
in comedy was the Rent daddy, and I remember saying
to the host of the radio stage and just google
the rent daddy, and I thought, well that I don't
even if I can say that on the radio. But yeah,
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added two new designs this week. People keep saying that
they like the just the basic design with no background,
and we added a black and a white version, and
I really like it. It's simple, but you can put
them on any color and the white on the black
shirt looks really good.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I like it as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can get like Neon green with the
black logo and stuff like it, so it looks really good.
But check that out. And then you also join up
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on there if you want all these free episodes that
we do, including all of Haunted Cincinnati that will be
out Thursday.
Speaker 11: I think, yeah, yeah, excited for that one as well.
There's things, I mean, I've kind of lived close to
that area, but and even here, there's so many places
that I have no clue that are even as haunted
as they are.
Speaker 6: Well and on top of that One of the things
that we talk about is the Cincinnati Music Hall. If
you live around the area, you probably know that story.
Speaker 4: Prod.
Speaker 6: If you don't, that's one you definitely got to hear. Yeah,
I'll just give you a little tease. Think about an
orphanage and a saint asylum on the same property and
a cholera epidemic wipes out almost all of them.
Speaker 11: My god, that's so depressing.
Speaker 6: Most of them have no ideas or no money, so
they all get buried in burlaps apps in a mass grave,
and then they build a music hall right over top
of it without moving into the bodies. What can go wrong?
Speaker 11: The end?
Speaker 6: So that's what we're going to talk about. The patrion
everysod at least one story. Yeah, guys, we love you
so much. We appreciate everything that you do for us,
and we will see you very soon.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we love you guys, and we hope you have
a great week.
Speaker 6: Obviously, that was Ninja saying hi in the background. Oh
and before we get out of here, we put a
poll up on our group. Another good reason to be
a part of our Facebook group. We said that you
guys could pick between seven eight items that we had
listed for show topics and it ended up being a
tie between the Tower of London and a Robert the
Dall reboot. And I guess what we'll do. Since we
just did a reboot tonight, We'll give it a break
and we will do the Tower of London next week
and do Robert the Doll reboot the week after. Thank
you guys for being part of the poll. And also
I wanted to send another shout out to Monica. She's
a listener going through a lot right now and I
just wanted to let her know that we're thinking about her.
If you can send some positive thoughts to Monica, even
though you're not hundred percent sure exactly who she is,
I'm sure they will reach her. So thank you guys.
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 12: A few years back, a punchy of music singer Bobby
Mackie bought himself his very own honky Tonk saloon. While
preparing for the grand opening, his pregnant wife Janet had
her first run in with a ghost. Janet, describe what
happened to.
Speaker 4: You, well, Jerry, I was upstairs and just checking around,
making sure everything was getting prepared to open, and something
grabbed me around the waist, and it was so much
pressure and forced that I could not get loose. So
I was picked up and carried almost to the door
to where you go down the stairs and dropped on
the floor. And then I got loose from it somehow
and went on to the top of the steps and
fell down again.
Speaker 6: Were you screaming out?
Speaker 4: Well, the I was trying to scream out and I couldn't.
Speaker 12: Did you turn around and look who's carrying you?
Speaker 4: Right? I turned around. There was nothing there, but still
the force was there, the pressure and everything.
Speaker 12: What time of the day was this.
Speaker 4: This was like sometime an early mid noon or so
mid day.
Speaker 12: Just to clear the record, you had not been drinking anything.
Speaker 4: No, I was pregnant. I was pregnant.
Speaker 12: Is it possible you felt baby pain, baby moving?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 12: No, no, you were literally picked up off the ground.
I was literally picked thrown down the steps right.
Speaker 4: So I was like pushed pushed by something down the steps.
I fell to the bottom. I was on my knees.
I looked up and there was a voice saying, get out,
get out.
Speaker 6: Were you screaming crying?
Speaker 4: I was trying to scream. You couldn't get out, You
could not get nothing out.
Speaker 6: Bobby, she's your wife. Are you buying this? Are you
buying this?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: First of all, I don't believe in ghosts at all.
Speaker 4: And we've been there for thirteen that's not true. Well
that's not true. It is it is believe. We've been
there for thirteen years and I have never seen anything
or anything?
Speaker 8: Why why doesn't.
Speaker 4: He If he was pushed down the steps, then he would.
Speaker 6: Believe you're not believing such lying?
Speaker 4: She she had been hearing these stories she didn't like to.
I don't care.
Speaker 8: She was terrified and has verified all that, then you
would understand she.
Speaker 4: Had been hearing these stories. And I think the power
of suggestion. I think she was looking for enough.
Speaker 6: That's not so you think. Are you saying she's lying?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying she's lying. I think she believes
it happens. Don't believe she believes it.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, she does believe.
Speaker 4: It happened, but it happened. I don't believe it happened.
Speaker 6: Well, how do you, Janet's full.
Speaker 14: I don't.
Speaker 8: I just don't believe in ghosts.
Speaker 4: I don't believe there's such a time. Was something there
to grab me?
Speaker 3: Did you wind up.
Speaker 6: Did you wind up? What happened to the baby?
Speaker 4: Well, I went into labor at the instance when I
fell down the steps, Yeah, pushed down the steps and
I got to the bottom later next morning, about eight thirty.
That next morning, I had my daughter the very next morning,
at eight thirty.
Speaker 15: After I was she weighed a pound fifteen hours.
Speaker 4: And she yeah, she weighed an It was a premature birth. Premature,
she was three months early.
Speaker 12: Bobby, doesn't that and doesn't that make you believe? I mean,
why would you make up a story about being thrown
down the sit with her own baby?
Speaker 6: I mean making up the stories.
Speaker 15: I just don't believe that the ghosts had anything to
do with it.
Speaker 4: Well, I do, and I believe that me being you know,
her being premature.
Speaker 12: Get do you get any worries.
Speaker 6: About being in your club?
Speaker 12: Bobby?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 6: Do you go there alone at night?
Speaker 15: Well not like no, he doesn't. But it's not because
of any ghosts. I mean, this place is a reason
we'd feeling about it, But no ghost has ever jumped
out of it.
Speaker 4: Well, something's jumped out. Actually. One time you went down
there to check on the machine, and you come home
real fast, and you wanted.
Speaker 6: Somebody go in there.
Speaker 15: But I think I heard something in the basement sound
like an animal.
Speaker 6: But that's just what it's like.
Speaker 4: It was upstairs.
Speaker 12: You had told us before, Janet, Janety told us before
that the ghosts once tried to kill you with the latter.
Speaker 4: Right, That's another thing I was. I didn't do a
lot of hard labor, but I did mostly get things
together to where, you know, the club could be opened.
Because he doesn't know, Jerry, he wasn't with me. He's
still afraid to go in with me. So therefore the oh, yes, no,
not very I'm not afraid to go in there.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 6: First, I just want to thank you.
Speaker 12: I just want to welcome everybody to the newly white games.
Speaker 14: I had.
Speaker 15: If I thought the place was dangerous, I certainly wouldn't
let my pregnant wife go in there.
Speaker 12: But she's not the only one telling you stories about
this place.
Speaker 15: Is well, no, but you know, I think maybe she
had been influenced by what she's been hearing.
Speaker 4: Don't believe that I'm not influenced that easily. I mean,
when something picks you up and throws you down from stairs, and.
Speaker 12: Let's try this, okay, let me try this.
Speaker 4: Let me try where the ladder goes. The ladder almost
fell off.
Speaker 12: Have there been other examples? Have there been other examples
outside of this club where strange things have happened to you?
Now that we're not developing a pattern here where she
makes up these stories where, in other words, everything you're
telling us.
Speaker 15: But she didn't want the place anyway, right, And that was.
Speaker 4: The reason because we drove by that place many many times.
Speaker 6: Well, tell me the latter story.
Speaker 4: Tell me the latter story, the ladder story. Okay, I
was on the dance floor, sweeping off the in a
little bit, and I heard the same voice as I
heard upstairs, Get out, get out. It was like somebody
had their voice operator on larnx box or something, and
it's just the same thing. I said, Oh no, here
I go again. I'll never get out of his plate.
Walked into the casino room. The ladder was against the wall.
It started shaking, vibrating, walking sort of like walking toward me.
And when it got to almost to me, I just
just gonna follow me. And when it did that, the caretaker,
which was nowhere around at the time, all of a
sudden jerked me up from underneath the ladder or it
would have fell on my stomach and I would have
had my child. Now you tell me there is not
a ghost in there, no other one, no doors, O
thing couldn't have been the wind could not have been
no wind. There was no Okay, no, it sure could
not have been no wind. It was certainly a ghost.
Speaker 12: Have you ever witness the real exorcism? Well you will
after this break, and you'll hear from the man who
was possessed by these ghostly spirits. My next guest is
the caretaker of Bobby's Nightclub and has lived there for
the past thirteen years. Carl Lawson says he was living
a nightmare. All the ghosts in the club had entered
Karl's body and lived through him until Carl finally allowed
Reverend Glenn Cole to perform an exorcism. I want you
to take a look at this.
Speaker 5: Sure, it's time.
Speaker 3: For you to leave, Carol.
Speaker 4: It's time for every.
Speaker 17: Oh my god, yes you are going, Yes you are. Yes,
we all have to let it, leaving.
Speaker 3: Leaving, leaving, leaving, leaving.
Speaker 18: You gotta leave tonight.
Speaker 3: I don't have to go nowhere.
Speaker 2: This body is fine, it's not this by is bye.
Speaker 16: No, it's not in the name of Jesus Christ of Madrath,
and on the authority of God's words. I command Charlie,
I command Sam, I.
Speaker 18: Command every spirit to leave leave him Charlie.
Speaker 12: Carl how did you know that ghost had entered your body?
Speaker 1: Well, Jerry, especially the past few years, I never felt control.
Speaker 4: Of anything that I did.
Speaker 1: I had habits and mood swings that were just completely uncontrollable.
Speaker 3: It was just a nightmare. My life was just.
Speaker 4: Completely not anything I wanted to do, it.
Speaker 1: Belonging to something else.
Speaker 12: Lots of people have moods, but I think if I
got in a bad mood or something, the first thing
I would say would not be actually, the must be
a ghost in me.
Speaker 4: Well, these weren't just like a regular bad mood. A
lot of other people would.
Speaker 1: Be kind of named it to me, like that's not you.
I had several personalities that were I mean that I
didn't even remember.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's like, did you go to a psychologist
or why did you decide to have an exorcism?
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare.
Speaker 4: I knew something had to be done or I would never.
Speaker 19: Have a normal life.
Speaker 3: On my own.
Speaker 12: Describe Reverend if you would, what was going on during
that exorcism.
Speaker 6: How do you do it? I have seen one.
Speaker 1: Carl became very violent during the exorcism.
Speaker 4: We started.
Speaker 1: I started out first of all. I went to the
club on a Thursday night, and I sat and talked
with Carl for quite a lengthy time and shared with
him scriptures, something that he could relate to in as
simple as terms as I could possibly put them. We
went back the next week on a Thursday night and
Carl and I went in the back room and I
began to talk with him and began to pray, and
then we went The spirits began to arise begin to
talk through him. And as they began to talk through
through him, I would talk back to them because they
had taken over Carl's body completely.
Speaker 12: Why did they choose to take over somebody's body? Why
did they choose to be in that nightclub?
Speaker 1: I believe that there was these people were killed in
that particular area, so they would congregate around this nightclub
because they're like people, they don't like to be alone,
and they congregate in that particular place.
Speaker 3: Reverend, do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 4: In Northern Kentucky?
Speaker 20: There are some strange things going on and some strange
things are going on at the most popular country music
bars in the area. The people at Bobby Mackie's are
getting used to not only playing country music but also
telling ghost stories. As we learned in Michael Collins World,
they swear they're more than just stories.
Speaker 14: There was a time when Bobby Mackie's was known for drinking, dancing,
a little pool, and a lot of games like Mister Muscle,
im Wrestler, and of course the famous bull Rider. But
over the life couple of years something more has been added.
Just ask kind of loss in the caretaker. More than
once he's been in the basement and seeing things he's
never seen before.
Speaker 4: There were two men that's hanging here like.
Speaker 6: Justlike there was Galleries.
Speaker 14: Walk along the banks of the Licking River behind the bar,
and Doug Hensley will tell you a history of the occult,
which he's written about in his book Terror At Music World.
Speaker 21: I learned that Satonic worshippers still today worship the devil
along the Lacking River because it flows.
Speaker 19: North around this area here, right here.
Speaker 21: Behind Bobby mckie's nightclub. How long has this been going
on since the early eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 14: No, many people say Bobby Mackie's is not the place
you want to be left alone in when people leave
at night, from.
Speaker 21: Dishes flying, glasses flying off the bar, barstools, chairs being
knocked over, people being attacked, their names being called, and
people being possessed.
Speaker 16: In the name of Jesus Christ of mass And on
the authority of God's.
Speaker 18: Word, I command.
Speaker 16: Charlie, I command.
Speaker 14: People like Kyle himself, who spent three days going through
an exorcism. A recent national TV show brought in a
well known psychic who claims there are six ghosts here,
one of which was named Pearl Briant.
Speaker 21: And I learned that there was a girl, Pearl Bryant,
who was beheaded in eighteen ninety six by Alonzo Walling
and Scott Jackson. Her head has never been found to
this day.
Speaker 7: On the gallows.
Speaker 21: Both men refused, even after they were offered a life
sentence opposed to death with the ropes on their neck.
Both men refuse to tell where her head is.
Speaker 14: For a while, after Kyle's exorcism, things seem to quiet
down around here. But now the visions and the incidents
are happening again.
Speaker 5: Are they here right there?
Speaker 3: Yes they are?
Speaker 4: Are they watching us.
Speaker 3: Yes they are.
Speaker 4: Are they listening to us? They're listening to every word.
Speaker 14: I'm saying that the bottom line is the psychics and
the people who have been dealing with these spirits or
ghosts or demons or whatever.
Speaker 19: They are, all agree they're not going to go away,
and no one knows where they'll show up next. Michael
Collins News Channel five tonight, We're.
Speaker 8: Back in the thirties in the little town of Wilder
lived an old man and it's lovely little Dolder.
Speaker 7: They ran gambling for relieving it was the best place
I ran. All the men would come and lay their
money down.
Speaker 10: For Daddy was a jealous.
Speaker 7: Man, But Johanna fell. He kept saying the mandell to
bad hands. So deep and night, when all the world
is quiet, someone came and took her lover's line.
Speaker 9: Johanna Joe Hall, Where are you now?
Speaker 10: Could it be you still hear song?
Speaker 9: Joe Harna, Joe Palm, Where are you now?
Speaker 10: Is it true you still your song?
Speaker 16: Album?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 7: Today it's a different place, all the.
Speaker 10: Same, with a new face, with strange mister rees hanging
in the air. People in their same minds swear they
see you today.
Speaker 7: Are you looking for the love that took away. Everyone
knows that you couldn't buy the pain, so you took
your life in the porn rain.
Speaker 10: You took your life in pallen Rain.
Speaker 9: Joe Harder, Joe Harm, Are you really here.
Speaker 7: Looking for your lover all these ye.
Speaker 9: Joe Harder, Joe Ham are.
Speaker 10: You really here as your lover returned after all these year.
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 7: Some may not believe it, and I won't say it's true,
but some of us have smelled your road for Fume.
Speaker 9: Johanna Joe Hana?
Speaker 6: Are you really here.
Speaker 10: Looking for your lover after.
Speaker 5: All these games?
Speaker 9: Johannah Joehna?
Speaker 6: How are you really here?
Speaker 7: Has your lover returned after all these games? Has your
love returned after all these years?
Speaker 9: Bo