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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: He'll building horror stories.

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Speaker 5: And now he's yours Jerry, Tracy, Pauline and their told Menja.

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Speaker 6: Hey guys, it's Cherry Wood.

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Speaker 3: He'll be horror stories.

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Speaker 6: And I'm actually sitting here with a legend in the

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paranormal world, mister Bobby Mackie, who is the owner of

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Bobby Mackie's Here's a world Mottunted nightclub in the United States. Bobby,

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can you say a big hat all the fans out

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there that absolutely love you and hippily.

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Speaker 7: Borland If somebody mcki here in Wilder Kentucky and we

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want to send out a big allow to all of.

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Speaker 6: Our paranormal fans out.

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Speaker 8: There were back in the thirties in the little town

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of Wilder lived an old man and it's lovely little older.

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Speaker 7: They ran gambling for relieving. It was the best place

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I ran. All the men would come and lay their

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money down her dad, and he was a jealous man.

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But Johanna Va he kept saying, the man dell to

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bad hands, so deep and the night when all the

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world is quiet, someone came to her lover's life.

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Speaker 9: Joha, Joe Hall, where are you man?

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Speaker 10: Could it be you to hear song?

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Speaker 9: Johanna, Joe Pound, Where are you now?

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Speaker 6: Is it true to you?

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Speaker 5: Son? What are you doing here? Don't you know? Cherry

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and Tracy we live here. You will die here tonight.

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If you don't run, run now, it's too late. They're coming.

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They hear you, They're here.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to episode eighty four of Hillbily Horror Stories. My

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name is Jerry and I'm joined by my lovely wife Tracy.

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Speaker 11: Hello, everybody, and we.

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Speaker 6: Are super excited about this episode.

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Speaker 11: Yeah go cats.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that had nothing to do with it, but yes,

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since we did beat the evil Tennessee Volunteers today. Shout

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out to our University Kentucky Wildcats SEC champions again.

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Speaker 11: Yeah yea.

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Speaker 6: Well, all right, so let's get back to where people

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focus on this show mostly for, which is the paranormal.

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Speaker 11: Not I'm excited about this show, you know, sports.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited too because we're doing a reboot, or I guess,

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as Phil Holmes from Scared that I should call it

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a revisit to Bobby Mackey's.

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Speaker 11: I do like that.

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Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, because reboot, as he pointed out to me,

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it kind of sounds like you're like tearing something down

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and just redoing it all over. And that's not what

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we're really, not what we're doing, but it's somewhat similar

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to what we're doing to this particular episode. Now, if

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you've been with us from the very beginning when Ricky

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and I hosted the show, we did an episode on

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Bobby Mackie's. It was actually episode six. It was a

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ted bit crude, rude, and really quick. It was like

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a twenty five minute show, and this is probably going

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to be a closer to a two hour show. WHOA,

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what does that mean for you guys? It means we're

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going to get into a whole lot more details than

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what Ricky and I got into no good, So we

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had to kind of put it talk to some of

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the listeners out there that suggested that we do some

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of these older episodes, because we did some good stories

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of the facts and details and just got to the

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nuts and boats of it. Are not really covering a

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whole lot of detail on it, And that's what we're

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going to do different tonight, and I think you guys

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are going to be extremely happy with what we've got.

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Speaker 11: Prepared, well, we hope, So we're very excited to redo this.

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Speaker 6: Yes, because Tracy wasn't part of the last one obviously.

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Speaker 11: That's when they were losers. Ton is kidding.

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Speaker 6: So this is going to be really fun because I

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be all about the haunting of Bobby Mackey's, but it's

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going to be more about how we got to the hauntings,

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why is the place so haunted? And with that being said,

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it's going to be more true crime sounding, but you know,

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they actually had one of the bigger scandals on two

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rich boys that commit a murder in that town that

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actually is the main focal point of what people say

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or the hunting here. So I think that we're going

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to give you a lot more details than you normally

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Speaker 11: Alone, Okay, sounds great to me.

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Speaker 6: So let's get into the Before we get too deep

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into this, let's go ahead and thank all of our

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military and civil servants all over the world, no matter

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which country you represent, we thank you wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 11: Yes, we love you guys so much. Continue prayers for

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you guys every day, and thank you for keeping us safe.

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the Lexington, Kentucky Police Department because just a couple of

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days ago, in the last couple of weeks, there's been

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three different high schools in Lexington that have had threats

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of guns being brought to school that they've acted on

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and done a really good job on. And unfortunately, just

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the other day there was a student at one of

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the high schoo that actually did bring a gun to

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school for what reason. It wouldn't for anything malicious. He

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but he accidentally shot usself. He's going to be fine.

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of a situation like that arises, that you've got the

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competent police force, it's able to just jump right in there.

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Speaker 11: Yeah they were Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 6: Tracy, would you like to talk about our new iTunes

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Speaker 11: Sure? We love our reviews, keep them coming. We had

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one from zero nine to six Pixie, JP WV seventy nine, Loopy,

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for your reviews. They were very kind and we appreciate

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y'all so much, and you know how we love those reviews,

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so keep them coming.

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Speaker 6: We also had some Patreon support this week Matthew Harp.

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Speaker 11: Thank you Matthew. We appreciate you, Honey Yep so much.

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Speaker 6: And we've got a very cool stories coming your way.

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It's the Pictron episode that we got coming next week

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is going to be all on haunted places in Cincinnati. Oh,

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so we're going to do I've got like six different

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stories lined up. Wow, that's going to be really cool.

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Speaker 11: It's going to be.

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Speaker 6: Fun, including the Cincinnati Zoo.

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Speaker 11: Who would think that you're kidding?

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Speaker 6: Haunted by a lion?

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Speaker 11: Well, I can't wait to hear that story.

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Speaker 6: Great, So that's going to be kind of fun. I

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closer to nineteen thousand. But they're having their Pottern Love

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Speaker 11: Or So I'm so excited about that.

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Speaker 6: Tracy and I were invited by Jeremy Collins and Dina

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and a few others, but we were invited to be

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a part of that and we are so thankful. So,

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actually go to it and check out tickets and stuff

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like that. But hold off, I'm buying tickets because Jeremy

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Speaker 11: Oh great, good job, Jeremy. It's going to be so fun.

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getting to meet all the podcasters and all the fans

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and all that, it's just going to be truly amazing.

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Speaker 6: Oh I mean, and that's going to be the main

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reason to go to the website to see how many

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a dozen places he wants to go, and I'm like,

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how are we gonna squeeze all this in? Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: So let's talk about Bobby Mickey's Now. I can't say

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actually took them up there for a little tour and

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that was the little song that you heard at the

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beginning is actually Bobby Mackey singing a song about Johanna,

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which is one of the infamous ghosts that we'll get

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into her story a little bit later, and I'm going

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the one invented that to go ahead.

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Speaker 6: But he actually had Bobby and Janet on the show,

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and it's about a fifteen minute interview. But I'm going

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to play that at the very end, so that way,

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if you don't want to listen till, you don't have

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to obviously right the end of the show, but it's

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worth listening to because it's got Janet telling her story,

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which we'll talk about her story, but she tells it

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in her own words. You got Bobby talking about how

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he doesn't believe in ghosts, which he's always said, and

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then Carl Lawson, who will get into it a little bit.

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listening to. I think you're gonna love it. Also on

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tonight's show is the paranormal group that actually does all

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of the tours there at Bobby mckie's hash for the

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last five years, Gatekeeper Paranormal. Laura and Angie from Gatekeeper

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were nice enough to come on and do an interview

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with us and tell us some of the things that

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they've seen and you know during these tours that they

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give right, So pretty cool. So are we ready to

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get into the story?

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Speaker 11: Yes, sir, I'm ready. Let's go.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I've been more excited to do a

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show in a long time, so let's jump right into it.

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So Bobby Mackie's is actually located in Wilder, Kentucky. Wilder

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is just south of Cincinnati, on the other side of

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the Ohio River. So if you're in Cincinnati you crossed

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the bridge. There's a city called Covington, which is kind

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of a suburb you know, even though it's not in

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the same state, it's almost a suburb of Cincinnati, and

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Wilder is five minutes from there basically, so it's a

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little small town. It's important to point out that the

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building that's there right now, where Bobby Mackey's is, is

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not the original building that was constructed on the land.

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The property that the building is on has a very

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bloody and dark history though. Originally there was a slaughterhouse

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there and it was built in the eighteen fifties. For

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years it was the largest meat packing facility in the area.

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And in the basement there was a well. And I'm

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sure most of you've heard about this well, but this

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well was used to draw all the blood from the animals.

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When they would take the blood, they drained it down

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this well in any other kind of debris that might

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have been left over from the eas I know, and

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all this stuff would drain out the back to the

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Licking River, and that's gross. Well, they definitely did things

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a little bit different in the eighteen fifties. House was

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closed in the eighteen nineties, and legend has it that

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even though the slaughter house was no longer using the

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property to slaughter animals. It was still being used for

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similar purpose, but with a much more evil reason. Yeah,

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it said that the basement of the packing house became

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a ritual site for occultist. They sacrifice small animals during

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these ceremonies, and then they dumped their bodies into the well.

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Speaker 11: That's not nice.

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Speaker 6: So we've established that the building isn't the original building,

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but it is built over top of this same well,

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and that's all that remains from the original building.

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Speaker 11: That's it.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 11: I didn't even realize that.

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Speaker 6: Now there are three really famous stories that involved Bobby

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Mackie's property can instigate most of the stories that involve

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these hauntings. Okay, so how much of it is true

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and how much of it is myth? I'm going to

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let you decide, But we'll give you all the facts

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that we know in all the legend first, and that's

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what we're going to cover. First, we're going to get

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to the very first story, which is the story of

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a very attractive young woman from Greencastle, Indiana, by the

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name of Pearl Brian. You don't usually get to hear

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much about Pearl except for the tragic part of the death,

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which most people know, and attribute to one of the

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hauntings of Bobby Mackie's. But I thought this was a

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disservice to this young lady, so I wanted to try

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to share a little more about her and tell more

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about her history so you could actually find.

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Speaker 11: Out about her now very nice.

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Speaker 6: Her father was actually a wealthy farmer and she was

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the youngest of twelve children, which was pretty common back

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in that day because they obviously didn't know how to

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keep their thing in their pants. So Pearl graduated from

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Greencastle High School in eighteen ninety two, and she had

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lots of young men that are interested in her, obviously

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being an attractive young woman at this age. That's kind

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of what what you expect. At the age of twenty

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two in eighteen ninety six, she was one of the

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most popular girls in the area. Now Pearl was having

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a very dark secret though she was pregnant. In this

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time period, being pregnant out of wed Locke was something

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that would get you shunned into society and no matter

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who you were, it would bring shame onto your family.

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So her cousin, gentleman by the name of William Wood,

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had introduced her to a guy named Scott Jackson. So

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we're going to get into how she got.

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Speaker 11: In this predicament they had sex.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to assume I didn't see that written, but

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we're going to assume that's the case. So Scott was

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a student at Ohio College of Dental Surgery in Cincinnati,

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which wasn't too far away from her. Obviously, her cousin

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was attending a medical school at DePaul University, and that

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William Wood were talking about, he became really good friends

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with Scott Jackson. Now, what Wood didn't know is that

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Jackson was a member of the occult group that actually

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met at the former slaughter House in Wilder, Kentucky. Oh

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And NJA is just fascinated by that. Jackson's family was

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wealthy as well, so he was kind of accepted by

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Pearl's family as a perfect suitor for her, and he

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soon got her pregnant. Well, well we know how that happened,

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no need for details there. Pearl confided in her cousin

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and he then told Scott Jackson about the problem. Scott

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made arrangements to have an abortion in Cincinnati. Pearl left

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her parents home on February first, eighteen ninety six, and

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told them she was going to Indianapolis instead. She was

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actually going to meet Scott Jackson in his roommate Alonzo Walling,

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in Cincinnati. It would be the last time that her

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parents would see Pearl alive. She was five months pregnant

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at this time. What you may not have figured out

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at this point is that they weren't going to a doctor.

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This was something Jackson planned on taking care of himself,

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and apparently his medical skills for this type of procedure

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weren't as good as he thought or her cousin William

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Wood thought good.

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Speaker 11: I had been scared of death, so.

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Speaker 6: He tried to do the abortion beforehand by sending her

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some chemicals in the mail that he thought would take

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care of the baby. And apparently it was cocaine. Oh yeah,

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so because they actually found it when he did autopsy,

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they found cocaine in her system, so that didn't work.

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So he gets her in this situation. They're there, and

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this time he tried to use his dental tools, but

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he botched it.

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Speaker 11: Okay, he's at the wrong end, right, sorry.

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Speaker 6: So after a little over an hour of trying, Jackson

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and Walling had a young lady that was scared, injured

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and bleeding on their hands.

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Speaker 11: Oh God, bless your heart.

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Speaker 6: Things took a darker turn after that, if you can

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believe it. So the three actually crossed the bridge into Kentucky.

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Jackson then took them to this little secluded spot by

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Fort Thomas, which is a little town on northern Kentucky.

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That's where Jackson and Walling actually killed Pearl Brian. They

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used dental instruments to sever Pearl's head just below the

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fifth vertebrae. The hell kind of hellas ms was that,

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I have no idea.

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Speaker 11: We should don't use him in our office.

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Speaker 6: A doctor who later examined the body said that it

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was a clean cut. He also said that Pearl had

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been alive at the time of the decapitation because of

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the presence of blood on the underside of some leaves

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at the murder scene. Now, Pearl's body was actually found

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about two hundred feet off of the Alexandra Turnpike and

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a little less than two miles from the abandoned slaughterhouse,

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which is three point twenty one kilometers. So without a head,

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how did they know that this was Pearl? It was

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actually a stroke of luck that she was wearing a

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pair of shoes that had a stamp on them, and

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the stamp said Louis and Hayes, which is a green

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Castle shoe company back in her hometown. And there was

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a number on it. I guess think of it kind

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of like a serial number that was able to show

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that she's the one who bought the shoes. Had it

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not been for that, they probably.

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Speaker 11: Wouldn't never have known.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 6: So the trial of Jackson and Walling was huge, mainly

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because of the gruesomeness of the murder. I mean, this

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was something that we talked about it a little bit beginning.

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This was headline news all over the place. These were

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two rich boys, yeah that now are impossibly involved in

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the occult and involved in this gruesome murder. That's just

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not something you expected to see. So during the trial,

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Walling testified that it was Jackson that actually it was

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his idea to cut up the body and kind of

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discarded in different parts of the Cincinnati sewer system. Only

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the head was actually taken, though, because Jackson had another

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use for it. Locks of pearls hair were actually found

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in a small suitcase in Scott's turn, so he was

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keeping all kinds of little parts of this Pearl's head

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was never actually found, and the legend is that they

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used it during the Satanic ritual at the slaughterhouse. It

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was then dropped into the well. Jackson and Walling were

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brought to trial in eighteen ninety seven and were quickly

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found guilty and sentenced to death. William Wood, her cousin,

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was arrested in charge for being an accomplice for helping

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set all this up. They later dropped the charges against

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him though, when he agreed to testify against Alonzo Walling

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and Scott Jackson.

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Speaker 11: But why would they keep her hair in his suitcase?

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Speaker 6: I mean, well, he apparently also kept and I didn't

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really put this in there, but he also put had

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some bloody clothes and stuff that he'd given somebody at

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a bar to hold on too, that he came back

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and got the next day.

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Speaker 11: So, well, is he stupid or what?

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Speaker 6: Apparently, Jackson and Walling were both given the death penalty,

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but they did give them an option for life sentences

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instead of execution if they would actually reveal where Pearl's

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head was. Both of them refused.

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Speaker 11: What yeah, well there's some kind of special stupid.

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Speaker 6: So stories actually spread the Jackson and Walling were afraid

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of Satan's draft if they had revealed the location.

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Speaker 11: About oh, I got chat.

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Speaker 6: So the cult activity was something that was a closely

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guarded secret at this time, and they kind of felt

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like that if they spoke about this and said, hey,

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we went downer and dumped the head in a well,

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that that would expose all the other cult groups. That

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wouldn't be something that would set well with the.

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Speaker 11: Way they were gonna die, right, But they didn't want Okay.

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Speaker 12: I got you.

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Speaker 6: They would have gotten the death penalty, right, I mean,

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they would have gotten life in jail without the death penalty.

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They just coughed it up.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but I guess they figured the occult looka or

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whatever would come after him.

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Speaker 6: And they were sent to the gallows behind the New Poort,

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Kentucky Courthouse on March twenty first, eighteen ninety seven. Now,

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before the hanging, Jackson said that Walling had absolutely nothing

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to do with it and it was all him. But

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when the noose was actually put around Scott's neck, he

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changed the story and then he said that he was innocent,

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and then he was gonna haunt everyone that was involved

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with this case and the entire area.

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Speaker 11: Oh dang.

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Speaker 6: So it was also said that the evil eye, if

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you know what that is, was actually like the stinkery. Yeah,

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I like to think out there was. Actually the evil

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eye was given to many people that were involved in

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the case, and legend has it that many of the

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police officials and the aternities that were actually involved met

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with tragic ends.

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Speaker 11: It must have taken a long time to get each

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and everyone the evil eye.

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Speaker 6: I think at some point they would have just said, Okay, everybody's.

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Speaker 11: Just gathering a sortcle let me give you one evil eye.

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Speaker 6: So that was the last public hanging actually in Campbell County, Kentucky,

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and they were close to five thousand people that were

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there to witness this. Oh that was how deal. That

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was what they saw though, was a botched hanging. Once

476
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,960
the bodies dropped, it took four minutes for them to die.

477
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,119
I just love a story with a happy ending.

478
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,759
Speaker 11: Is it mean for me to say that's what they get?

479
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 6: No, because that is what they get. So after the

480
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,519
trial ended, the slaughterhouse remain completely empty for many years.

481
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,839
It was eventually, though, torn down and a roadhouse was

482
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,960
constructed on the site.

483
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 11: Roadhouse.

484
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 6: I don't think Patrick Swayzeye was there though, So during

485
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,279
the nineteen twenties, the place became a speakeasy and a

486
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:04,920
gambling establishment. They used the well to sneak liquor up

487
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:09,000
through the river and hide it from the officials. Actually,

488
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,640
so the whale got another use that was wrong for

489
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,839
this time. This was of course illegal back during a

490
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,519
time because it was a time of prohibition. So there

491
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,599
was supposedly several murders that were actually committed there, but

492
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,720
none of them were solid because the bodies were taken

493
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,039
elsewhere and dumped because they didn't want to draw attention

494
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,039
to the location because of all the illegal activity going

495
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:31,200
on there, and they didn't want to jeopardize all the

496
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720
money they were making off of this huge venture at

497
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,839
the time. Then probation ended in nineteen thirty three and

498
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,480
there was a establishment became the Bluegrass Inn, which was

499
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:47,759
another gambling establishment, but the liquor was legal now. And

500
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:50,440
then it was bought by a gentleman by the name

501
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,319
of Ea Brady, and Ea Brady was actually better known

502
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,559
to his friends as Buck, and that's how we were

503
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,359
referred to him to this point. Now, Buck opened the

504
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Primrose there. It was a tavern and a casino and

505
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,119
it was doing very well, so well in fact that

506
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,000
the mob in Cincinnati took notice and approached Buck about

507
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,640
getting a piece of the action. Now, Buck refused several

508
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,200
offers to become Bart partners. I guess we'll say to

509
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,319
outright by the Primrose. They wanted to do that too,

510
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:18,160
so they said, hey, we want a piece of the action,

511
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,559
or we'll just completely buy you out, and Buck said

512
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:22,880
no to all of it. Well, mobsters just love it

513
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,799
when you say no to them.

514
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 11: I can't imagine.

515
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 6: So the place was starting to be vandalized. You actually

516
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,519
had customers that were threatened in the parking lot and

517
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:37,160
Buck Brady was involved in a shooting in August nineteen

518
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,640
forty six, which is when everything kind of came to

519
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,680
a head. He was actually charged and released though on

520
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,119
attempted murder charge of a small town mobster by the

521
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,480
name of Red Masterson. This was the last straw offer Buck,

522
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,799
and he decided that he was just going to sell

523
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:54,559
out to the mob. I guess you can't let them

524
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,240
join them. Brady actually committed suicide in nineteen sixty five,

525
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,559
and this was roughly about eighteen years after the fact,

526
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,640
so it didn't have anything to do with that particular incident. Buck, Yeah,

527
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,319
Buck committed suicide. So after Brady sold the club, it

528
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,440
became the Latin Quarter and the new owner was arrested

529
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,599
several times on gambling charges, and the Campbell County Sheriff's

530
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:24,200
Department used to just go in there all the time

531
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,599
on a regular basis. They'd break in there with sledge

532
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,160
hammers and stuff, and they would confiscate all the slot

533
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,519
machines and the gambling tables, and I guess they would

534
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,599
just put them back in there. So this kept happening

535
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,680
over a period of time, and that's going to bring

536
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:38,880
us during the time of the Latin Quarter to our

537
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,200
second story, which is the story of Johanna. Now, we

538
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,440
talked about the song that earlier than Bobby Micky did,

539
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,680
and this was based on this legend. So the legend

540
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,880
goes that Johanna was actually the daughter of one of

541
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,240
the owners of the Latin Quarter, and Johanna was also

542
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,599
a dancer at this club. She fell in love with

543
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,559
the singer at the club by the name of Robert

544
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,480
Randall Mickey. She became pregnant and her father, of you know,

545
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,079
had some of his mob buddies come in and take

546
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,920
care of mister Mickey because he didn't like the idea

547
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,079
of him knocking her daughter up.

548
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I kind of get that, but wouldn't

549
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,240
he wants somebody that's gonna help take care of her.

550
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,519
Why he gonna kill him for?

551
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess you just in the fifties, you

552
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,359
don't when you're not married, Okay, but don't sleep with

553
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,720
mobs boss's daughters.

554
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 11: Well I get that, I guess. But then she started

555
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,319
to fend for herself.

556
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 6: Well, so Johanna got into this and she tried to

557
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,559
poison her father, and then she poisoned herself into dressing

558
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,440
room down in the basement. These events supposedly came from

559
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,480
a diary that was found by Karl Lawson, which is

560
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,000
the longtime caretaker Bobby Mackie's and he actually lived on

561
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:51,640
the premises. And we're going to hear a lot more

562
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,599
about Carl later, But that's how the story of Johannah

563
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,519
came to be is from this. There's a love poem

564
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,759
that's actually written above the stage that most people considered

565
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:05,240
to be a suicide note slash love poem. Her father

566
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:09,160
actually survived, but she did not. She was five months

567
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,440
pregnant at the time, oh Man, which that's two stories

568
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,920
now in Robbing is property where pregnancies were five months

569
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,519
because when Pearl met her demise, she was also five

570
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,920
months pregnant. Now, in the nineteen seventies, the building became

571
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,039
the hard Rock Cafe. Now this isn't the same hard

572
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,599
Rock that everybody else day. It was a different group.

573
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,200
It was just happened to be named the same thing.

574
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,519
It's shut down after some fatal shootings. So you already

575
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,680
see in the time that we've been here, there's talk

576
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:44,079
of a woman's head being sacrificed down a well, Satanic

577
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,960
rituals being taken in the basement, bodies that were people

578
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,480
that were killed and bodies taken away during the roadhouse days.

579
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,519
Speaker 11: Then you had two pregnant women, you had.

580
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: Two pregnant women, you had gamblers that were there was

581
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,440
all kinds of people killed at the mob as had

582
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,319
killed in the Latin Quarter and the Primrose and those

583
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,119
bodies supposed they were just thrown in the Licking River

584
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,160
right behind there.

585
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:09,119
Speaker 11: That's so crazy.

586
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 6: So there's a during this time we're only up to

587
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,680
basically the seventies.

588
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I know, that's a crap ton of

589
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,440
stuff that's happened already.

590
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,039
Speaker 6: So let's talk about the positives. Nineteen seventy eight, Bobby

591
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,079
Mickey and his wife Janet, they buy the place. Bobby

592
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,680
at the time was a pretty successful country music musician

593
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,319
and he had some national success, but it started to

594
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,559
kind of, you know, slack off a little bit, and

595
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,720
he got tired of the traveling and he said, you know,

596
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,680
the hell with it. We'll just buy our own place

597
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,720
and then my fans can know where I'm going to

598
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,400
be all the time and they can come in and

599
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,480
check us out. So that's what he did. He settled

600
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,279
into this little spot and started doing some work on it.

601
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,039
In the nineteen eighties. He was so successful with this

602
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,599
club that there were lines out the door to come

603
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,039
see him in this place play seats like five hundred people, and.

604
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 11: It was always yeah, okay for him.

605
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 6: Bobby's Mikey's Music World was actually also one of the

606
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,839
first clubs in the US to have a mechanical bull,

607
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,319
like the one you see in an Urban Cowboy, and

608
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:09,920
it's still there.

609
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,279
Speaker 11: It is. Actually, my cousin fell off of him, broke

610
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,160
his arm.

611
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: So that's going to bring us to our third story,

612
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,160
because I said we there were three stories that are

613
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,240
really connected with this. We're going to talk about Carl Lawson,

614
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,119
who was the first employee hired by Bobby Mikey's once

615
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,799
he opened the place. Karl was a unique man, to

616
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,920
say the least. She's kind of a loner. He worked

617
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,079
as a caretaker and a handyman at the club, and

618
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,720
Carl actually came to Bobby and said that he was

619
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,720
fascinated with the place that he used to ride by

620
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:45,920
and he thought he could see stuff in the windows

621
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,000
and stuff like that, and he really wanted to work there.

622
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,759
So that's how that came to be. He lived in

623
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:53,960
a room upstairs and actually spend a lot of his

624
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,519
time when the club clothed, just kind of roaming around

625
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,640
the facilities. And this was, you know, just something he

626
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,599
liked doing. Carl also claimed to see and hear strange

627
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,079
things in the club, and most people in town thought

628
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,839
he was a little on the crazy side, because Carl

629
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,000
had a reputation of being a heavy drinker and he

630
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,359
kind of, I don't want to say bipolar, because I

631
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,400
didn't know the man, but to hear descriptions, you know,

632
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,200
even Bobby Mackie said he had to talk to Carl

633
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
a few minutes to know which version of Carl he

634
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:26,759
was getting that day. So he kind of had a

635
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,880
history of, you know, being different from one day to

636
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,759
the next. Now, the people in the town, they thought

637
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,359
he was crazy until they started hearing and seeing some

638
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,559
of the things for themselves. Carl said that he would

639
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,119
double check at the end of the night that everything

640
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,519
was you know, doors were locked, lights were all off,

641
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:48,960
and all that kind of you know, the things you

642
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,559
would normally do when the club. He'd come downstairs a

643
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,599
little bit later and he said the bar lights would

644
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,119
be on, the front doors would be unlocked when he

645
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160
knew for the fact that he locked him. Now this

646
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,000
is one we can test too. He said the jukebox

647
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,720
would be on plane anniversary Waltz, even though the jukebox

648
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,440
was not only powered off but unplugged.

649
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 11: Ye, that happened to us.

650
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 6: That happened to us when we were in there. I

651
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,720
don't remember what song it was playing, I'm but it

652
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,480
did come on when we took our tour and there

653
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,480
was no electricity, you know, it was unplugged. I mean

654
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,200
there was electricity, but none of it was turned on

655
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,400
and definitely didn't have no heat in the damp place

656
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:28,519
cause we was freezing. So that's strange stuff, but strange

657
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,400
soon became scary. See, the first ghost that Lawson actually

658
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,279
saw was a dark, angry man that he said he

659
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,200
saw only behind the bar, and he said there were

660
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,279
others there, you know, the regular people there, but nobody

661
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:47,680
saw this apparition except for Carl. So later Carl started

662
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,039
to see a spirit that he said called herself Johanna. Oh,

663
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:55,079
so that's where all this is going to start coming

664
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:57,799
into play. She would actually speak to Losson and they

665
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,799
would have conversations. Well, rumors started that Carl was starting

666
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:08,360
to talk to himself from these conversations. He insisted that

667
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,039
she was real and that she left the smell of

668
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,320
roses whenever she came into the room or talked to him.

669
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,400
You know, why would she be there because we went

670
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,719
back to the story of what supposedly happened at the

671
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,079
Latin Quarter. Yeah, and here's one of the stories that

672
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,920
come out. Remember his name that was killed, her boyfriend,

673
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,719
the guy got her pregnant, was Robert Randall Mickey. Well,

674
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,519
Bobby Mackie's real name is Robert Randall Mackey. Ah, just

675
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,400
that little bit of difference between Mickey and Mackie so

676
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,199
some people seem to think, especially according to Carl, that

677
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,280
she's hanging around because she thinks maybe Bobby Mackey is

678
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,559
a reincarnated versions of her lover. So Carl starts to

679
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,760
notice all these odd sounds and noises that were happening

680
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,920
during these sightings, would see her. But then he starts

681
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,559
hearing these noises, he realized that these spirits seemed to

682
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,800
be the strongest in the basement area near the old

683
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,239
sealed up well. And as we talked earlier, that's the

684
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,280
only part of the building that remained from the original

685
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,679
slaughterhouse was as well.

686
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, when her dressing room's kind of down.

687
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,519
Speaker 6: There though, Yeah, but that was part of this building, Okay,

688
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,400
but I'm talking about from the original slaughterhouse. The only

689
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,719
thing left was Okay, so even at the Latin Quarter

690
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,000
and all that, that well was still part of that.

691
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:36,960
So Kral obviously knew the local history, and he obviously

692
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,239
knew the history of the well, and he knew that

693
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,639
the locals called this Hell's Gate. Karl wasn't a very

694
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,119
religious guy, but he decided to sprinkle some holy water

695
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,960
on that well. Well. That's when supposedly pardoned the pun

696
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,360
all Hell broke loose. He thought this might actually calm

697
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000
down the activity, but instead it provoked him and the

698
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:01,719
activity escalated. After this, other employees and even customers began

699
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,280
to have weird experiences. They saw objects move around, they

700
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,239
saw lights turn off and on, did somebody voices and laughter,

701
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,320
And Bobby Mackie was not happy about all this ghost

702
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,199
talk by any means. He was convinced this would actually

703
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,599
ruin his club and chase people away. Bobby also says

704
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,159
that he doesn't believe that the place is haunted. Now.

705
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,039
Is that Bobby being truthful or is that Bobby not

706
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,719
wanting to ruin a good thing.

707
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 11: That's going on.

708
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 6: So Bobby said that Carl started telling stories, and this

709
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,239
is a quote from Bobby. He said, I told him

710
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,559
to be quiet about it. I don't want it getting

711
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,280
around about, you know, being haunted. I got everything I

712
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,719
owned stuck in this place, and I had to make it,

713
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,960
you know, work somehow. So Bobby's wife, Janet, on the

714
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,880
other hand, she did believe, and she had very good

715
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,559
reason to believe, because she told Bobby that she had

716
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:57,559
seen ghosts and felt overwhelming pressure and had even smelled

717
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:02,400
Johanna's rose scent. It got way worse for Janet though.

718
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,360
One day she was actually in the basement, she was

719
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,079
overwhelmed with a smell of roses and felt an unseen

720
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:12,320
kind of wind, just kind of squirrel around her. Well,

721
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,079
something grabbed her by the waist. It picked her up

722
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,079
and threw her back down.

723
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 11: Oh dang.

724
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 6: She got away from it, and when she got to

725
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480
the top of the stairs, there was a pressure behind her,

726
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:26,159
pushing her down the steps. She looked back and there

727
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,199
was nothing there. But then she heard a voice that screamed,

728
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,320
get out God. At the time of the incident, Janet.

729
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 11: Was oh no, don't you tell me. She was pregnant,

730
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,719
five months pregnant. Oh my gosh.

731
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 6: She gave birth prematurely the very next day.

732
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: Oh no.

733
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 6: Once Janet came forward, so did several others.

734
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:47,159
Speaker 11: Did the baby live.

735
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,039
Speaker 6: Yes, the baby lives.

736
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 11: Oh, thank gosh.

737
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 6: It was premature by three months, but it did live.

738
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,440
It was only a little over a pound, a little girl.

739
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:57,639
I told you guys. At the end, there was a

740
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,679
interview with Jerry Springer. Listen to that because she tells

741
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,519
this entire story in detail, plus a bunch of us,

742
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,920
so very much worth listening to.

743
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,199
Speaker 11: She's very adamant even though Bobby don't believe.

744
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 6: Her, and Bobby's pretty adamant that he still doesn't believe.

745
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: So.

746
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 6: Roger Heath used to do odd jobs at the club

747
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,679
and he said that one day he was helping Carl Lawson.

748
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,639
It was nice summer morning. He's in her helping him

749
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,280
and they were removing some light fixtures from the dance floor.

750
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,840
Carl was taking him down to the basement, he said.

751
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,840
Carl came back up from the basement and he had

752
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,480
two small handprints on the back of his shirt. He said,

753
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,159
it looked like a small woman was actually hugging him

754
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,360
because it was like pressed. They were indentions, not like this,

755
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:44,159
they were like pressed in like something happened. Another story

756
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,960
came from a young lady that was a hostess there,

757
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,760
and she said she encountered Johannah. She laughed at Carl

758
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,880
laws And when he would talk to her, and He's

759
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,920
pretty much thought the same thing that he must be

760
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,079
losing it. But she stopped laughing when she started smelling

761
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,400
roses at one time when he started talking to her.

762
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 11: I mean, what was it she just had roses in

763
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,199
her dressing room all the time, or what was the deal?

764
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:03,559
Speaker 4: With a road.

765
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 6: She wore a rose perfume.

766
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,119
Speaker 11: Oh I gotcha, Okay.

767
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: Writer Doug Hensley kind of got wind of all the

768
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:11,840
stuff and he wanted to talk to some people about,

769
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,320
you know, what was going on there, But most people

770
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,639
refused to talk to him and do any interviews because why.

771
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,280
I guess they just didn't want to be singled out

772
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,599
or didn't want people to think they.

773
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:24,679
Speaker 11: Were what the deal was.

774
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,039
Speaker 6: Now, once Janet talked to him and told her story,

775
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,960
they had many other people that actually came forward. When

776
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,599
it was all said and done, he had over thirty

777
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,800
sworn affidavits from people that said they had.

778
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 11: Experienced So even after all that, Bobby didn't believe any

779
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,480
of it. He didn't believe anything. That is so crazy

780
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:42,800
to me.

781
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,599
Speaker 6: So Hensley collected several stories, including one about a headless

782
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,280
ghost who was dressed in the turn of the century clothing.

783
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,280
Many different people gave the exact same description of this ghost,

784
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,679
and they didn't know that Hensley was talking to all

785
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,719
of them, so it was oh, it's either just the

786
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,760
biggest coincidence or people actually saw this. In nineteen ninety one,

787
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,840
an exorcism was performed in the club on Carl Lawson.

788
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,559
It was done like the kitchen area, and you know,

789
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:12,960
some people there's not a ton of information out there

790
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,039
on this, but it was listed in the book that

791
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,639
Hensley wrote, so you can actually pick up that book.

792
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:22,400
But there's a video on YouTube that actually shows the

793
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,960
big parts of the exorcism, so you can see it.

794
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,159
And I have some of the sound in that clip

795
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,119
from the Jerry Springer Show. There's some sound of it

796
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,079
in there, so when you listen to that, you'll be

797
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,480
able to hear that and hear Karl Lawson talk about

798
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,360
scared of his experiences. Unfortunately, Carl died in January twenty

799
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,719
sixth to twenty twelve. He was fifty three years old.

800
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,239
Janet Mackie passed away February fifteenth of two thousand and nine.

801
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,199
All right, let's take a couple of seconds to talk

802
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,039
about a couple of cool stories, one of which we

803
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,800
discovered on the tour than when we were out there

804
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,599
recently the Johanna, you know, we talked about her situation.

805
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440
There was a wreck outside of the club. There's a

806
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,719
telephone pole right there, but a car had actually wrecked

807
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,880
into it and the Sheriff's department showed up or a

808
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,119
police officer wanted to, but a remember law enforcement shows

809
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:20,239
up and he pulls the driver out, and it's obvious

810
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,840
that the driver wasn't going to make it. This is

811
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,800
right in front of the club.

812
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:27,119
Speaker 11: I mean yeah, the I mean the road is right seriously,

813
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,000
right in front of the club. It's really close.

814
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, from the road to the door is probably five steps.

815
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:34,599
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really scary.

816
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:38,639
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, it's really close. So this wreck happens right

817
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,159
in front of the club. Officers there, he pulls the

818
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:46,079
body out. Gentlemen didn't make it. At the time. The

819
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,639
door opens up to the club, young lady comes out

820
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,559
and she gives him a sheet to be able to

821
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:56,599
cover up the body with. Well, he turns around a thanker,

822
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,199
she's not there, you know, door's locked. Well, they ended

823
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,599
up calling the next day and they get a hold

824
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,320
of Bobby and said, hey, we wanted to get a

825
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,039
chance to think whoever that was that helped us out.

826
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,480
Unfortunately the gentleman's deceased. But she gave us the tablecloth

827
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,840
or whatever to be able to use to cover up

828
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,119
and we wanted to say thanks. And then he was

829
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,440
informed that there was nobody at the club that day.

830
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,039
Speaker 11: The police officer was.

831
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, the police officer was told that there was nobody

832
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,280
at the club and the alarms were set, and if

833
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,239
there'd have been anybody in there, Bobby said he would

834
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,639
have gotten an alarm telling him that somebody was in there,

835
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,079
but there was absolutely nobody in there. So I thought

836
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,400
that was kind of a cool story. There's also the

837
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,119
story that Bobby wanted to do some renovations. He had

838
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,320
about one hundred thousand dollars worth of renovation plans. He

839
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,519
wanted to maybe build onto the building, make it a

840
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:51,280
little bit bigger. And when he started doing this, all

841
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,199
these weird things started happening, and one of which was

842
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,199
this giant crack just kind of happened outside, like in

843
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,480
the ground itself. And supposedly this place runs along some

844
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,280
kind of a fault line or something like that. But

845
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,119
when this happened, that prevented him from being able to

846
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:11,159
add on because it made it unsafe to be able

847
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,559
to add on where he was going to do that. Wow,

848
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,800
so you could look that as as somebody doesn't want

849
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,199
it to be messed with, or a good warning that

850
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,360
you probably shouldn't have done this. So who knows what

851
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,320
we talked about pro Brian. Obviously she was covered without

852
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,920
her or buried without her head and up in green Castle,

853
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,000
Indiana's with her where her grave is there was vandalism

854
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,639
and stuff, so she no longer has a headstone. That

855
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,639
just kills me off. People.

856
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 11: I do not, for the life of me understand who

857
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,559
gets off on that. Why.

858
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,119
Speaker 6: So they had to remove the headstone, but you can

859
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,119
always find her grave there because people put pennies heads

860
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,400
up on the slab that's still there.

861
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 11: No kid, ye, So I thought that was coming.

862
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I also thought that Bobby, who doesn't believe

863
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,639
whatsoever in the paranormal, supposedly sits and watches video surveillance

864
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,760
all day long.

865
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 11: Oh he does.

866
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 6: He just watches for hours on end.

867
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 11: Because he wants to see something.

868
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 6: He doesn't tell anybody if he sees anything. But you know,

869
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,800
the staff is like, why is he watching all those?

870
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,679
Speaker 11: Yeah, he wants to know for peace of mind. I guess.

871
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 6: I guess. Well, those are pretty much the rumors or

872
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,159
the lore of Bobby Mackey's. So do you want to

873
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:29,239
talk take a few minutes and talk about the truth

874
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,559
of what we do know as opposed to what the

875
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,760
myths were. Yes, you know, we like to debunk all this.

876
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 11: I know we do so then sometimes it's disappointing.

877
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,639
Speaker 6: I know, I know, but that's what we are. We

878
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,119
like to bring the room down. So the Pearl Brian,

879
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:46,760
let's go. Let's go to her situation. At the crime scene,

880
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,039
a single set of footprints were found leading up to

881
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:56,360
the hill towards the Covington Water Reservoir. Authorities found an

882
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,400
abandoned cistern that was empty, covered by a large rock,

883
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,599
and the large rock had a bloody handprint on it.

884
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,280
When I said, the cistern was completely empty, so there

885
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,239
was no head in there. But the footsteps kind of

886
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,440
stopped at the reservoir. Oh, so it would make sense

887
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,440
that that bloody handprint and all that would have something

888
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,719
to do with it. Now, keep in mind there was

889
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,000
only one set of footprints, and that'll come into play

890
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,880
it a little later in the story. Scott Jackson accused

891
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,280
Walling of committing this murder. Walling was impressionable and a

892
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,400
little slow by all accounts. Most likely he didn't have

893
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,400
the mental capacity to plan a murder like this. He

894
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,840
might have been able to help commit it, but he

895
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,880
probably couldn't plan this. And when I hear this, it

896
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,800
makes me think of the making of the murderer deal

897
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,239
with that Brendan Dacy, how he admitted to everything, but

898
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,519
at the same time felt like he was co horsed

899
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:57,519
and maybe he just wouldn't very smart and didn't really

900
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,599
know what he was saying. That's kind of what it

901
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,280
makes me think about. So Waling actually said that it

902
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,679
was all Jackson, and the night before Jackson was supposed

903
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,639
to go, you know, be hung, he said that he

904
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,800
was the only one involved and he did the murder

905
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,480
by himself. Well, that would kind of match up with

906
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,480
what we found out that there was one set of

907
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:27,840
the prince leading away. Unfortunately, when they put that noose

908
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,199
around his neck, he completely changed his mind and said

909
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:34,360
he was innocent. So he the night before he admits

910
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,800
to all of it and said he was by hisself. Yeah,

911
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,719
you know, Walling was a little pissed off at this,

912
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,840
as you can imagine, because he's up on the gallows

913
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,159
getting ready to get hung. Walling said that the only

914
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,239
man that can save my life, if he will, is

915
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Scott Jackson. He said, I die an innocent man. I

916
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:58,000
was not even there when she was killed. The crime

917
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,480
scene also was four miles away, so That makes it

918
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:05,599
very unlikely that they're going to grab ahead, kill her,

919
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,480
grab ahead and take it four miles away to do

920
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,159
this ceremony, right, So that's another thing that could be

921
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:17,159
a little bit of discrepancy. It's possible that they might

922
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,559
have passed by the building, but there's no proof of that.

923
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 4: Now.

924
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,679
Speaker 6: During the trial, both accused each other of throwing the

925
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,079
head in the Ohio River. There's no mention at all

926
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,800
of any type of well or anything like that in

927
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,719
any of their testimony. Many locals don't remember ever hearing

928
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,719
any of these occult stories until Carl Lawson started talking

929
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,199
about the well and all this stuff. So most of

930
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,920
the locals will tell you until Carl Lawson came around

931
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,960
in the late seventies, there was no story other than

932
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,119
the actual murder and the hanging of what happened. And

933
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,320
obviously her head was missing, but there was no talk

934
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,320
of it ever in part of a Satanic ritual, or

935
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,199
this well being use for anything other than prohibitioners getting

936
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,000
liquor and stuff. Oh my, go's so now let's shift

937
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:14,559
here to Johannah. Remember, Johannah was supposed to be the

938
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:19,079
daughter of the owner of the Latin Quarter, and if

939
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,280
you look back at it. The Latin Corner Quarter, the

940
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,000
owners had it from nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixty one.

941
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,800
The Cleveland four, which was a mob, actually owned it.

942
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,599
Mode Dallits was the head of the mob at the time.

943
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,679
He only had one daughter and her daughter's name was Suzanne.

944
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,880
Red Masterson was part of this group and he had

945
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,239
a daughter, but it couldn't be him because in Johanna's

946
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,920
journal it supposedly said my dad and Red Masters and

947
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,519
so her dad and Red Masterson couldn't be in the

948
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,440
same thing if it read Matterson was her dad, so

949
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,280
that wouldn't it. There was a Joe Hannah who committed

950
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,000
suicide by poisoning, but her name was Johannah Reagan and

951
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,199
she was just a few miles up the road off

952
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,159
of forty four Pike Road in Covington, But that happened

953
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:14,920
in nineteen fourteen. This supposedly happened in the nineteen fifties,

954
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,239
so that didn't make any sense. You also got the

955
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,559
situation of back in this day, if you weren't married

956
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,719
or you didn't have a job, you lived at home

957
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,000
with your parents as a daughter. No matter how like

958
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:31,760
we hear about Lizzie Borden lived at home when she

959
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,559
was like thirty five years old, and that's what would

960
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:41,519
have happened. No mobster would have had his daughter working

961
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:43,880
as a dancer, because that would have been a scandalous deal.

962
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,360
No mobster would have had his daughter working in the

963
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,760
club as a dancer and living at his house. That's

964
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,960
not going to be the situation. Also, when you think

965
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,440
about it, mobsters they didn't take bring their family to

966
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,400
work because of all the other stuff that could have

967
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,400
went on. So they wouldn't have had, you know, anybody

968
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,760
that was part of their family, immediate family working at

969
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,400
the clothes.

970
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 11: Now, they didn't want to maybe find out the dealings

971
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:09,400
going on.

972
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 6: Well, it' saw so much that they don't want to

973
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:11,360
take the chance.

974
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 11: Of of people coming there and getting hurt because.

975
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 6: There's always gonna be somebody or starting trouble. So it

976
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,599
just doesn't make any sense at all. The story doesn't

977
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,519
make any sense at all. So the chances are that's

978
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,679
a completely fictitious story. And keep in mind, this whole

979
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,280
story came from Carl Lawson saying that he found the

980
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,840
journal and all stuff, but he never showed that journal

981
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,440
at anybody, So there's no proof that a journal was

982
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,599
ever found. This could have just been all Carl's story

983
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:39,840
made up. And then we've got the love poem slash

984
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,159
suicide note that was written on the wall. Well, it

985
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,679
turns out that that's probably fake too, because that's a

986
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,719
common verse that's been used in songs and other poems

987
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,440
and stuff like that. So it really wouldn't much of

988
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,400
a love story. So I'm sorry to bring everybody down,

989
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,880
but it doesn't look like a lot of the stories

990
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,800
that become part of Bobby Micky's Law, Yeah, have a

991
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,400
lot of truth to them. We know Carol Brian died,

992
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:16,559
we know that murder happened, and we know who did it,

993
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,000
and all that stuff with the hangings true, but you

994
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:22,599
know who knows about the rest of it.

995
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean, but there's still enough reason for

996
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,280
people to hunt that place.

997
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 6: Oh actually, there was all kinds of murders and stuff

998
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,360
like that that happened there.

999
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,039
Speaker 3: So wow.

1000
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 6: What I want to do at this point is listen

1001
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,719
to the young ladies Angie and Laura from gate Keeper Paranormal.

1002
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,039
They're the ones who do the tour there, Okay, And

1003
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,559
I think you will find this fascinating because We talked

1004
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,679
for about thirty minutes on all kinds of stuff and

1005
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,159
they've got some really cool stories. And as a bonus,

1006
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,960
they have spent some time at Waverley, so if you're

1007
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,400
planning on coming to our Waverley tour, we ask them

1008
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,599
a little bit about some of that stuff that they've

1009
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:58,320
encountered up in Waverley. So I think you'll get a

1010
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,199
big kick out of this. All right, we are joined

1011
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,320
on the phone by Laura and Angie from Gatekeeper Paranormal.

1012
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:09,199
They are actually the paranormal group that do the tours

1013
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,519
of Bobby Mackey, so I thought it would be fun

1014
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,320
to have them on and discuss some stories of what

1015
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,079
they've seen during their time there. Laura, Angie, Welcome to

1016
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,639
the show. I'm so glad we had two of you on.

1017
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,599
This is the first time we've been able to talk

1018
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:27,679
to anybody who's done any of the tours at Bobby Mackey.

1019
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,960
And we've talked about Bobby's on this show. Obviously being

1020
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,079
a paranormal show, that's one of the top stories out there,

1021
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:34,920
especially when you live in the state like we do.

1022
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,639
But you guys can probably add a lot of flavor

1023
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,239
to this because I'm sure you've seen things with as

1024
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,400
much time as you spent in that place that others

1025
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,519
haven't seen. So why don't we start with both of

1026
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:52,199
you telling me how long you've actually been given the

1027
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:52,840
tours there?

1028
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,639
Speaker 13: Okay, this is Laura in July. I think it's July, Angie,

1029
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,760
this will be our fifth year in July.

1030
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: Yep, five years almost.

1031
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 6: And if both of you been doing it that whole time,

1032
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,119
or has one been there longer than the other.

1033
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,039
Speaker 13: No, we both started at the same time.

1034
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 6: That's phenomenal because that means you probably have really good

1035
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,519
chemistry with each other. And I would guess you guys

1036
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,039
are on the same page all the time.

1037
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

1038
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 6: Are you too? There are there other members of Gatekeeper

1039
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,599
Paranormal or are you two it?

1040
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,639
Speaker 3: We have gosh what three or four others, jan who

1041
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:32,960
isn't with us tonight, obviously, and then we have Matthew,

1042
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,360
who is Laura's husband, and also Tanya. She's like one

1043
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,440
of our I don't know, I guess our guests or

1044
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:46,400
one of our honor group members. She actually lives out

1045
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:46,760
of state.

1046
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,679
Speaker 6: Well, so that sounds to me. I'm not a genius

1047
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:53,639
by any means, but it sounds to me, like, this

1048
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,559
is a predominantly woman group.

1049
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,679
Speaker 13: Well, it totally is, because Matthew doesn't he doesn't give

1050
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:04,280
the tours and he reluctantly goes on a few investigations

1051
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,679
with us.

1052
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, we are mostly female.

1053
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,519
Speaker 6: So awesome. I know that's probably going to make a

1054
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,519
lot of people proud when they hear this, because we

1055
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,880
talked to Amy Bernie a while back, and one of

1056
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,440
the questions that I actually asked Amy was did she

1057
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,000
feel like she was somewhat of a trendsetter and did

1058
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:24,960
she take pride in knowing that she was a role

1059
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,880
model for so many females out there in a field

1060
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,079
that's pretty much, you know, dominated by men. And she'd

1061
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,000
said she really hadn't thought about it like that, but

1062
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:36,840
now that it was proposed to her that it did

1063
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,679
kind of make her feel good. So I guess the

1064
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,719
same thing would apply to you, young ladies.

1065
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 13: It's yeah, there are mostly guys that come on our tours.

1066
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:48,119
I mean, there are women, but as far as groups go,

1067
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,519
it's either a mixture or it's all guys. I mean,

1068
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:53,239
it's very rare I think that you see in all

1069
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,880
female paranormal group.

1070
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 6: So let me ask you this I'm going to start

1071
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,719
off with this one only because and I didn't have

1072
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,199
the the guts to ask Bobby myself. But I've seen

1073
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,719
some interviews in which it's pretty much laid out that

1074
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,960
Bobby doesn't really believe in spirits or the place is haunted.

1075
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,960
And then it's also been kind of laid out that

1076
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
maybe some of the people are just instructed to say

1077
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,199
that what do you guys think. I don't know if

1078
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,239
you know or not, but what do you think? Do

1079
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,559
you think that he believes that there's actual stuff going

1080
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:25,679
on there or does he just not.

1081
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: Buy into it? I, honestly, I do not think he

1082
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,000
believes in this stuff. We did an interview with Bobby

1083
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,199
Gosh how long has it been now almost two years

1084
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,079
or more, in which we asked him that very question,

1085
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,519
and he claims that he has not had any type

1086
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:49,880
of paranormal experiences. Nothing has really happened to him to

1087
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,880
really make him believe that the bar is haunted. He's

1088
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,320
never had that experience.

1089
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:59,199
Speaker 6: And you know, and what I always found out about that,

1090
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,440
I can definitely understand how somebody could feel that way.

1091
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,239
But considering that, you know, his wife God rest or

1092
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,239
soul before she passed pretty much didn't want to have

1093
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,000
anything to do with the place because of what she

1094
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,920
felt like was experiences. You would have thought that maybe

1095
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,679
he might lean a little more that way, but I

1096
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,159
guess he probably doesn't.

1097
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: Probably not.

1098
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:21,519
Speaker 13: I mean, he's he's always just been focused on his music,

1099
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,000
and I think that's all he thinks about is his music.

1100
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,440
And of course now that because at first he didn't

1101
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,960
want it getting out. He didn't want anybody talking about

1102
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,719
the place being haunted because he thought people wouldn't come there.

1103
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,880
But now here we are, all these years later, and

1104
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,519
people are actually paying money to come there and sit

1105
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,920
in the dark and look for ghosts. So you know,

1106
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,079
I think he's all for it now. But at first

1107
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:46,159
he didn't want people thinking it was haunted.

1108
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,159
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's it's whether you believe in it

1109
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,599
or not. It's obviously been a very good business move

1110
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,119
for the bar, so I mean, without a doubt, that's

1111
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:55,039
what he should have done.

1112
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:58,599
Speaker 13: So yeah, and I can remember, excuse me, I'm from

1113
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:01,639
this area originally, I'm I grew up here, and I

1114
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,679
can remember people talking about it when I was in

1115
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,519
college here. I went to Northern Kentucky University, and I

1116
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,119
can remember people talking about Bobby Mackie's and that it

1117
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,320
was haunted. And now this is late eighties, early nineties

1118
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,159
that people are talking about it before all the ghost

1119
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:21,360
hunting shows and before all this was really you know, popular,

1120
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,719
I guess you could say people were talking about the

1121
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,760
bar being haunted. So it's not really a new phenomenon

1122
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,840
that's happened since you know, the ghost hunting shows came along.

1123
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:30,239
You know.

1124
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,519
Speaker 6: It's and my wife grew up she grew up in

1125
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:35,400
dry Ridge, so you know, she'd heard all the stories

1126
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,880
years ago too, And so I mean it's it's like

1127
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,239
you said, if you're in that area, it was probably

1128
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,559
the worst kept secret ever that the place was haunted. Yeah,

1129
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:48,880
before we get too much in depth into the stories

1130
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,760
of Bobby Mackie, tell me a little bit about how

1131
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,280
you guys started up so we can get a little

1132
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,079
information on Gatekeeper Paranormal.

1133
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: Oh wow, gosh. Laura and I actually we met. We

1134
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,000
both had a mutual acquaintance and were invited to uh

1135
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,280
to investigate Waverley Hills and UH so that's when Laura

1136
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,920
and I met. We just kind of struck up a

1137
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,800
friendship from there, and soon after she and I both

1138
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:24,519
joined another local, uh paranormal group, and we're with them

1139
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,840
for a year or so, and then you know, just

1140
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,840
kind of decided to branch off on our own, uh,

1141
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,199
you know, do our own thing. And that's you know

1142
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:37,599
pretty much how we formed, you know, Gatekeeper Paranormal.

1143
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,639
Speaker 6: So how do you how did you both get into

1144
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:42,800
the paranormal field to begin with?

1145
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 13: Oh, I've always been interested in it, you know, since

1146
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,440
I was a little girl, and then as I got older,

1147
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,920
as I was a teenager, I was the one that was,

1148
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,159
you know, sneaking into abandoned houses and and you know,

1149
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,519
just always looking for for haunted places to sneak into,

1150
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,559
basically because back then, you know, it was harder to

1151
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:07,239
find organized ghost tons or tours. And then you know,

1152
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,639
I guess once it kind of became popular that people

1153
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,840
started forming groups. You know, I started looking for one,

1154
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,519
and actually I had a hard time finding one in

1155
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:23,280
this area anyway, And eventually, like Angie said, you know,

1156
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,360
we went to Waverley Hills and then we joined the

1157
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,519
other group in this area, and you know that was

1158
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:31,719
my start in it, but I've been doing it on

1159
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,760
my own for years before that.

1160
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,639
Speaker 6: Well, before we get off of the interview tonight, I'm

1161
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,400
going to ask you a little bit about Waverley Hills.

1162
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,000
We'll cover Bobby Mackie's first, but our listeners out there

1163
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:46,960
would be interested in that because April twenty eighth, we

1164
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,480
have a live event in Louisville with two other shows,

1165
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,960
but we're going directly afterwards to both of the tours

1166
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,840
that Waverley Hills has to offer that night, and they

1167
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,559
have fifty tickets available for the first tour we sold

1168
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:03,280
that out months ago, and then the other tour that night.

1169
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,760
I think there's only fifteen or sixteen tickets left for

1170
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
that one, so we're going to end up having one

1171
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,239
hundred people at both of these tours that night, so

1172
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,079
they'll be really interested in what you guys might have

1173
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,039
uncovered that night when you were there. So before we

1174
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,880
get into that, though, I definitely want to cover Bobby

1175
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,280
Mackie since that's the reason I brought you on. Give

1176
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,599
me an idea of some things that you guys have

1177
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,400
seen on some of these tours over the years that

1178
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,199
maybe even caught you guys a little off guard, or

1179
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:37,719
that really stood out amongst some of the other patrons

1180
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,320
that were actually taking the tour.

1181
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,519
Speaker 3: Oh Wow, gosh, the shaking building story. That's always my favorite,

1182
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,920
well one of many, So yeah, pretty much. I had

1183
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,880
a two hour group and it was pretty quiet actually

1184
01:00:55,199 --> 01:01:00,119
during their entire tour. And just as they were lead me,

1185
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,880
I was walking them out the door, locked the door,

1186
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,679
went back to the gift shop to finish up, and

1187
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:10,519
I was standing there and I started to hear these

1188
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,639
knocking noises that were around me and the gift shop,

1189
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,880
and I stopped and I listened, and it was not

1190
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:19,360
just a random knock. It was actually a pattern. There

1191
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,039
was like two or three knocks and then it would stop,

1192
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,280
and then I would hear two or three knocks again,

1193
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,239
and it stopped, and I just kind of ignored it.

1194
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,480
I really didn't, you know, think too much of it,

1195
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,679
and continued on. And then so I started to hear

1196
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:37,719
some it sounded like bottles actually shaking at the bar,

1197
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,559
and it was so profound that I thought, well, somebody

1198
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:43,840
actually has to be in here, and I thought, maybe,

1199
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,039
you know, Bobby's PR guy had come into the building.

1200
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:50,079
So I poked my head out the gift shop and

1201
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:53,599
I'm yelling for him. Nobody's answering, and I'm standing there

1202
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:56,599
and I'm listening, and so the bottles they stopped shaking

1203
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,400
and go back to finish up again what I was doing,

1204
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:04,119
and then all of a sudden, the whole building just

1205
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:07,280
started to shake. If you could feel it, you could

1206
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,159
hear it, the windows and the doors, you could actually

1207
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:15,000
hear them shaking. And it did it for probably, you know,

1208
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:18,400
five or six seconds, which is actually a pretty long time, right,

1209
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:24,159
And it was so profound. Again, I thought, somebody has

1210
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:28,159
got to be in this building. So, you know, again,

1211
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,440
I'm yelling for you know, RJ, and I'm even texting

1212
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,559
me and I'm like, dude, I know you're here. There's

1213
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:38,119
somebody in this building, and he's swearing that it's not him.

1214
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,119
And so I even went back and looked at the

1215
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:47,599
security footage the cameras rolled back five minutes, just to

1216
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,400
make sure there's nobody inside or outside of the building,

1217
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,360
and in fact there was no one, but it was

1218
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:57,000
so it's just really hard to explain. All you could

1219
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,800
hear there was like metal rattling. You could hear it

1220
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,400
in you could feel it. That's probably one of the

1221
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,920
most significant things I think that has ever happened to me. There.

1222
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,480
Of course, I was blowne and of course I didn't

1223
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:12,960
have my audio recorder on. It always happens that way

1224
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,239
when you never have your you know, your equipment, and

1225
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:16,320
you're never ready for it.

1226
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 6: We know that. That brings me to ask you a question.

1227
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,159
When we took our tour, and it was before you

1228
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:26,480
guys were doing the tours, there was no electricity, no heat,

1229
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,360
nothing on during the day because they're only open at

1230
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,679
night time. Is that still the case?

1231
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,039
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, there's electricity.

1232
01:03:33,199 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 13: I mean we can turn lights on, but in the winter,

1233
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,679
they don't really turn the heat on unless it's like

1234
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,360
seriously below zero where the pipes are going to freeze, right,

1235
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,400
But they normally don't turn the heat on during the day,

1236
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,599
I guess just to save money. So it's pretty cold

1237
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:47,559
in there during the day.

1238
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:50,599
Speaker 6: What kind of feelings do you guys get? Are you

1239
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:53,440
pretty much you know, immune to it at this point

1240
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:56,000
or do you is there still certain places that you

1241
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,840
go into that occasionally you'll just get that weird kind

1242
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,039
of feeling or a vibe or what's it like for

1243
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:03,960
you guys now that you've been there for so long.

1244
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 13: Well, sometimes, I mean it varies day by day, and

1245
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,800
sometimes I'll walk in there and feel absolutely nothing, and

1246
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,599
it's just like going into any building and it just

1247
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:17,880
doesn't bother me at all. But then there are other days,

1248
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:20,199
or i should say nights or whatever, where I'll walk

1249
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:23,760
in and you know, a lot of times I'll get

1250
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,159
there before my tour group arrives, just to go in

1251
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,119
and unlock the doors and you know, turn on a

1252
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:31,239
couple of lights. And sometimes you just as soon as

1253
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,880
you cross the threshold from you know, like where you

1254
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,960
pay to get in and then walk into the bar,

1255
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,280
you know where those doors are. Sometimes I'll just step

1256
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,599
across that and there'll be this It's just a heaviness

1257
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:47,400
in the air, and I'll be like nope, and I'll

1258
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,239
turn around and walk right back out and wait outside

1259
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,079
for the people to get there. Because sometimes you just

1260
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:55,079
feel like you shouldn't go in there.

1261
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 3: And it very quickly it can turn as well, you know,

1262
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,440
like Laura said, if you go in, you don't feel anything,

1263
01:05:02,039 --> 01:05:06,519
but it can very quickly. That vibe can turn, you know,

1264
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:08,880
where all of a sudden you get the feeling that

1265
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,760
you're being watched. There's someone behind me, or there's someone

1266
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:17,239
in the corner. It just again, it can turn very quickly.

1267
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 6: Is there a part of the bar that has more

1268
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,039
activity than other parts or is it just random throughout?

1269
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 13: I'd say random throughout for me anyway. I mean there's

1270
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,159
sometimes you know, people always talk about the basement and

1271
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:36,639
the well as that being so scary, but honestly, and

1272
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:39,440
I think Angie feels the same way. We've had just

1273
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,039
as much activity on the main floor in the bar

1274
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:42,960
area as.

1275
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: We've had downstairs. Yeah, there is a little room down

1276
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:50,960
in the basement, the little cell area. If we had

1277
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,239
to pick the most active spot, maybe in the basement area.

1278
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,519
I would think that might be it for some people

1279
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:01,400
as far as is the cool things that have happened

1280
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,159
to people. But you know, like Laura said, we also

1281
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,280
get just as much upstairs on the main level, but.

1282
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,519
Speaker 13: Most of at least for me, most of and this

1283
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:14,000
is not a common occurrence, but I have had people

1284
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:17,400
who have been scratched, and most of the time that

1285
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:20,320
happens in the well room or around the jail cell.

1286
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: From my tours, yeah, you.

1287
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,679
Speaker 6: Know, And that's funny. We went when we went the

1288
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:28,760
other night, we had a couple of visitors down from

1289
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,920
Wisconsin and they were taking a bunch of pictures, and

1290
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,159
none of their pictures turned down, even though they were

1291
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:36,519
looking at them during the time they took them. But

1292
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:39,760
it was in that room, that little small room right

1293
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,960
before you get to the room of faces. Inside that room,

1294
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,440
they took pictures, we were looking at them, and then

1295
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,400
all of a sudden the next morning, neither one of

1296
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,320
them had them on their phone. They'd like it was

1297
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,599
like they deleted only those from that room. And I

1298
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:53,480
just thought that was extremely strange.

1299
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: I've had some things actually thrown at me in that

1300
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,599
little room. As I was going into the room of faces,

1301
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,119
there was something thrown at me in that little area.

1302
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,599
Speaker 13: And that little piece of pottery, that little you know,

1303
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:10,880
the little white Yeah.

1304
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually had a few things thrown at me,

1305
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:18,480
even even upstairs on the main level, a little cube

1306
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,000
of pool chalk around the bullpen area. Uh, there was

1307
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:24,840
you know, that was thrown at me up there as well.

1308
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 6: And for those of you listening at home that haven't

1309
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,480
been there. When you're in the basement area, you can

1310
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:34,159
walk into the basement where the well stuff is, but

1311
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:37,639
you can walk in through the outside of the building

1312
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:39,840
and when you walk in, you've got your big room.

1313
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,400
It's it's a lot of storage. If you if you

1314
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:45,400
first walk into your left, you've got like what used

1315
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,320
to be an old walk in freezer, and then there's

1316
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,920
a lot of stuff that's powered up dinner they've accumulated

1317
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,360
through the years. But then you can take a right

1318
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:57,400
and go into that little room we were talking about,

1319
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,039
and it's it really is a little room about the

1320
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:01,679
size of a small bedroom. And then you go it

1321
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,440
goes straight through that room into another room they call

1322
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,760
a Room of Faces, where people are going there and

1323
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,280
they leave little mementos and stuff like that, and they'll

1324
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:13,920
try to have little prmal investigations and stuff in there.

1325
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:15,840
But the little room that leads to it, it really

1326
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,079
looks just like, you know, just a small room, but

1327
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:20,680
it's dark. There's no lights or anything in there. And

1328
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,680
that's the room that we were talking about. So yet

1329
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,159
it's kind of it's kind of an eerie feeling there

1330
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:30,680
without a doubt. Right, what about the bathrooms, ladies, We hear,

1331
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:33,520
you know, they didn't touch anything on that on the tour,

1332
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,399
but we hear I've heard a lot of stories, especially

1333
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,119
you know, the women's room, I hear is really uncomfortable

1334
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:43,119
for a lot of women. And in the men's room,

1335
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:48,800
obviously almost resulted in a lawsuit at one point for Bobby.

1336
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:51,199
Speaker 13: Yeah, like when I told you that, you know, when

1337
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:54,439
I was growing up in college here and I used

1338
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,800
to hear stories about Bobby Mackey's, it was always about

1339
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,159
the woman's bathroom. Would be like, oh, don't go in

1340
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:03,199
the ladies room because you see things in the mirror

1341
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,000
or the water will turn on. To be perfectly honest,

1342
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,199
In the almost five years we've been there, I've never

1343
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:12,479
had anything happen to me in either bathroom.

1344
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe Angie has, but I haven't. Now

1345
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,920
I have. It's been a while. It's probably been at

1346
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,680
least three three years ago again doing a two hour tour,

1347
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,560
and you know, of course I don't always go in

1348
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,800
the women's restroom unless you know, the our guests want to,

1349
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,439
and this particular group wanted to go in, and the

1350
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,960
water was not on, you know, everything was normal, and

1351
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,279
of course you know they're checking out the mirrors, and

1352
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,680
so later on as we're walking through the rest of

1353
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,800
the bar, we start to hear what sounds like, you know,

1354
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,159
water running, and I you know, of course I'm investigating

1355
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:54,119
the bar area to make sure none of the sinks

1356
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:56,800
are on at the bar, I hear nothing. Go to

1357
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,319
the men's restroom, nothing's on. But when I went to

1358
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:03,680
the women's room, one of the sinks the faucets had

1359
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,800
turned on and again, like Laura said, that is you know,

1360
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,920
some of the claims that we've heard through the years

1361
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:11,760
is that the water will turn on by itself, and

1362
01:10:12,399 --> 01:10:14,920
it was running, and it was running full blast.

1363
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 6: You know, that's pretty common though, whether you hear hauntings

1364
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,319
about businesses or houses or whatever, it's a pretty common

1365
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:25,399
thing to hear water being turned off and on. I

1366
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:27,840
don't know if that's just because it takes a little

1367
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,720
little energy to do that, but between doors opening and closing,

1368
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,520
and cabinets opening and closing, and water being turned on,

1369
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,640
that seems to be the three most common things, and

1370
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,359
lights being turned off and on. Brand So, have you

1371
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:41,960
ever had any times, and this is for both of you,

1372
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,239
have you ever had any time when you've been in there,

1373
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,079
either by yourself before tour or on a tour, to

1374
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:51,000
where you felt really uncomfortable or you felt fear.

1375
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 13: I don't know about like fear, but well I guess

1376
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,520
it was fear because I've this was probably one of

1377
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:58,520
the last tours I did.

1378
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 3: I haven't been there in a while.

1379
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,359
Speaker 13: It went is kind of slow for us for tours,

1380
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,920
although Angie did a lot in January. But one of

1381
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,039
the last ones I remember, I had to go back in.

1382
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:12,680
I think I accidentally walked out with basement keys because

1383
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,039
they're separate keys for the basement. So I had to

1384
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,159
go back inside and put the keys away, and it

1385
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:20,439
was nighttime. I didn't turn on any lights. I just

1386
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,079
took my flashlight and I walked in and I was

1387
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:25,159
almost to the end of the bar, because they keep

1388
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,399
the basement keys in an old cash register at the

1389
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,520
end of the bar. I was almost there and I

1390
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,079
heard a man's voice. I don't know what he said.

1391
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:35,760
I couldn't make it out. I just heard the man's

1392
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,439
voice and I'm like, oh no, and I just kind

1393
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,880
of threw the keys in the direction of the drawer

1394
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:45,239
and they fortunately landed in the drawer, and I hopped

1395
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,279
skip and jump right on out of there, because I,

1396
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:50,119
you know, it just caught me.

1397
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:51,199
Speaker 3: I was all the way at the.

1398
01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:53,279
Speaker 13: End of the bar, and it was a little bit

1399
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:55,560
of a journey to get back to the front door,

1400
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,960
and I heard a man's voice and yeah, I got

1401
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,079
out of there, which I don't like that.

1402
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 3: We hear that quite often, you know, we're in there.

1403
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,359
We hear these male voices quite often. As a matter

1404
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:12,079
of fact, when we were doing the interview with Bobby

1405
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,960
a couple of years ago, we were hearing a male's

1406
01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:19,359
voice coming from that area. But you remember that, Laura,

1407
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,039
We even we stopped in the middle of our interview

1408
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,520
and was listening. Now, I can't remember if Bobby said

1409
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,720
he heard it or if he didn't. He probably said

1410
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,479
he didn't meet right, But but you could clearly you

1411
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,880
could hear and it sounded very authoritative, like it had

1412
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,119
a very deep tone, and it was just again you

1413
01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:41,520
could you could get a vibe, you just felt a

1414
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,039
vibe from it that it was an authoritative type no voice.

1415
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:49,399
Speaker 13: And it was in that same area at down the

1416
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,399
end of the bar where that big you know, red

1417
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,960
wall is. And I'll tell you an interesting fact about

1418
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:59,199
that area. The first documented murder that happened in the

1419
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:01,760
club happened and right there at the end of that bar,

1420
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,840
because that area at the bar when the club was

1421
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,520
the Primrose Country Club back in the thirties, the men's

1422
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,600
bathroom was there at the end of the bar, and

1423
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,039
in nineteen thirty two, a man was killed in that bathroom.

1424
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:19,119
He got in a fight with another guy. The guy

1425
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,560
punched him and he fell down and hit his head

1426
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,359
on a radiator and he died in the bathroom. So

1427
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:29,319
it's a little, you know, coincidental maybe that we hear

1428
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:31,960
male voices right in that area at the end of

1429
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,600
the bar where the first the first death, the first

1430
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,000
murder happened in the club.

1431
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 6: So while we're on the subject of things happening back then,

1432
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:43,680
do you ladies have any opinions on a lot of

1433
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,680
the not going to say, I guess, for lack of

1434
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,399
a better term, folklore of what's happened in the place. Obviously,

1435
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,239
we've got the story that you know of Pearl's head

1436
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:57,600
being you know, possibly put down the well and a

1437
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,439
Satanic ritual, and then you know, you've got the the

1438
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,000
all the murders that could have happened from the mob

1439
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:07,000
there and all these different you know, we've got Carl

1440
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:11,159
Lawson and you know, the the Holy Water deal with

1441
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:14,760
with the well and causing unleashing something. How much of

1442
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,560
that stuff do you guys buy into or or actually believe?

1443
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:22,800
And I know that's a loaded question.

1444
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,319
Speaker 3: If you want a percentage of it to Carl.

1445
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,319
Speaker 13: Carl was a real person, obviously, and he did plan

1446
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,800
to have a lot of experiences there. Carl Bryant was

1447
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,079
a real person. She was murdered, But as far as

1448
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:40,239
her head being thrown down the well in a Satanic ritual, no,

1449
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:41,039
we don't.

1450
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:42,239
Speaker 3: We don't believe that.

1451
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 6: I've heard.

1452
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 3: There's never no, there's no proof you know that that

1453
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,760
that that actually happened, or you know, there's no documentation

1454
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:56,039
really that exists that explains her how there's any kind

1455
01:14:56,079 --> 01:15:00,760
of I don't know why a relationship maybe on why

1456
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,880
Pearl would have any access to that building anyway, So

1457
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:07,560
it's very questionable.

1458
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 6: Right And you know, I've dug up some information when

1459
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,720
I was doing research before on this that you know,

1460
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,760
and I don't remember all the details at this moment,

1461
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,159
but it was something to the fact of the field

1462
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:19,720
where they found her body a while later. I don't

1463
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,159
remember the length of time, but they did find a

1464
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,880
head that was just a skull or something, which they

1465
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,039
said probably almost had to have been hers because of

1466
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:31,319
the fact that the proximity of where the body was,

1467
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:33,319
and what would the chances of just the random skull

1468
01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:36,359
being there so I mean, who knows, But yeah, I'm

1469
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:38,119
with you. I don't, you know, it makes for a

1470
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,000
heck of a story. I just don't know.

1471
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 13: One thing you have to remember is when those stories

1472
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,520
Carl May he rest in peace, but he's the one

1473
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:51,760
really that started all of those stories. And we're talking

1474
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,479
I guess late eighties, mid or mid eighties when he

1475
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,680
started telling these stories. And back then, you know, we

1476
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,319
didn't have internet access, and we didn't have the access

1477
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:05,600
to public records that we have now. How it's so

1478
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,720
easy to research things. It's so easy to look up

1479
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,199
old newspaper articles and things like that. So you know,

1480
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,760
I think back then you could get away with saying

1481
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,000
a lot more than you can now because now somebody

1482
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:19,640
can look it up and call you on it.

1483
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah here than they could back then.

1484
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't hear anybody saying google it back in

1485
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:29,520
the eighties, exactly. Guys. I appreciate all your input on

1486
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,760
this because I think this definitely adds to the story.

1487
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,800
And you know, our show we like to give you know,

1488
01:16:35,159 --> 01:16:37,800
the rumors and the lower behind it, but we also

1489
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,800
like to talk about what you know may or may

1490
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,880
not be the actual fact. So we like to cover

1491
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,399
all sides of it, so it's great to be able

1492
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:46,560
to hear some of these stories from you guys. But

1493
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,560
before I let you go, I do want to touch

1494
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,800
on the Waverly deal. Talk about when you guys did

1495
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:58,439
your investigation of Waverley and how that differs from what

1496
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,920
you experience at Bobby Mackie's compared to there. Can you

1497
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,520
kind of compare the two for me a little bit.

1498
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,079
I know it's a little apples to oranges, but it's quite.

1499
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,079
Speaker 3: A bit apples. Yeah, we've been there what how many

1500
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:13,279
times on the probably what ten? At least ten?

1501
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 13: Yeah, and in fact you said you're having an event

1502
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:18,920
there on the twenty eighth.

1503
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,279
Speaker 3: We're actually going on the.

1504
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 13: Twenty twenty sixth of April, so we'll be there a

1505
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:23,760
couple of days before you.

1506
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,079
Speaker 6: Will, Oh wow. Nice.

1507
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:28,359
Speaker 3: But each time we go it's I mean, we it's

1508
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:32,159
been quiet honestly the past couple of years, but we've

1509
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,520
had some pretty significant things happen in the in the

1510
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,479
past though. Yeah, we've had some some crazy things. I'll

1511
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,720
tell you a story and it involves a bat. But

1512
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,119
we were on and I think it was the fourth floor,

1513
01:17:46,359 --> 01:17:48,039
and if you've been there, you know, they have those

1514
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,399
kind of bars on the wall. I guess people held

1515
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,000
on to them when they were walking or whatever. But

1516
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:57,600
it was there were four of us, and it was

1517
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,439
actually Tanya and Matthew were across from I don't know

1518
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,079
who was next to me, if it was Angie or

1519
01:18:02,119 --> 01:18:05,279
if it was Sandy, I don't remember. Think it was me, Yeah,

1520
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:06,359
was it you? Okay?

1521
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 13: Anyway, I was kind of leaning on one of those bars,

1522
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,439
so my head was not back against the wall. I

1523
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,520
was kind of leaning forward with my hands on my knees,

1524
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,000
and we were just, you know, just staying in one spot, listening,

1525
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:20,159
trying to see what was going on, and all of

1526
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:23,319
a sudden, it felt like somebody was slapping the back

1527
01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:26,439
of my head. I mean like somebody took their hands

1528
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,159
and was slapping my head. And of course I screamed

1529
01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:33,359
and ran and just freaked out because that's what I do.

1530
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,039
But I think it was a bat that got in

1531
01:18:36,079 --> 01:18:38,600
my hair, But everybody else seems to think it wasn't

1532
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,039
a bat.

1533
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,319
Speaker 3: But it scared the crap out of me. I'll tell

1534
01:18:41,359 --> 01:18:44,840
you that it was. It was pretty comical. I mean,

1535
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,239
of course, being in Bobby Macki's on some of the

1536
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:52,199
top floors there there are bats, you know. Some of

1537
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:56,680
the windows are still you know, oh, I'm sorry, Waverley,

1538
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,399
some of the windows are you know, knocked out. That's

1539
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:04,000
on the you know, the higher levels. But I didn't

1540
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,640
see about at that particular time, but I did earlier.

1541
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,520
But yeah, we got a good laugh out of that.

1542
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,119
But well, Laura, you you said that you saw what

1543
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:16,960
the Big Black I guess is is what they like

1544
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:17,239
to call.

1545
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:20,199
Speaker 13: It was actually the first time I was ever at Waverley,

1546
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,880
which was probably like two thousand and five for two

1547
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,279
thousand and six, there's an entity there they call Big Black,

1548
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:31,439
who's just a big black shadow mass and Matthew and

1549
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,439
I were just on a two hour tour with like,

1550
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,479
you know, five hundred other people or whatever.

1551
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,159
Speaker 3: But we saw him.

1552
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:42,119
Speaker 13: And that was that was kind of scary too. And

1553
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:46,000
we also had the experienced Angie on the second floor

1554
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:48,319
by a capcheria with the doors rattling.

1555
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can still remember that vividly. I remember my

1556
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,760
heart counting. It was. It was kind of scary, and

1557
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,960
we've got the audio of that too, I'm pretty sure.

1558
01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:02,640
But we did. We heard I don't remember what level

1559
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:05,720
level it was, but the door at the end of

1560
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,079
the hallway. Was there were there stairs on the outside

1561
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:10,279
of that lore, I don't think there were.

1562
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,359
Speaker 13: It was a fire escape, but they had taken the

1563
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,680
ladder away because so people couldn't get.

1564
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,560
Speaker 3: In right, so you could see the light from the

1565
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,279
outside coming in underneath the door. But of course, you know,

1566
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:24,319
there's no way to get to that door. We're on

1567
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:29,880
one of the upper levels. And we kept hearing this sounded,

1568
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,800
you know, metal rattling, like a like a door or

1569
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,520
something metal was rattling, and we walked closer and we

1570
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,319
continued to hear it, and you know, at first we

1571
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:41,239
thought it was you know, Matthew, you know, kind of

1572
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,479
playing around and rattling the door, because on the audio

1573
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,760
you can hear Laura yelling, you know, Matthew stop it,

1574
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,159
or you know, telling the name to quit. But then

1575
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:52,960
it would continue to do it, and it was coming

1576
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,000
from that door at the end of the hall.

1577
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,199
Speaker 13: And where were all these people in the building at

1578
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:01,720
that time? It was just me, Angie, Tanya just as three.

1579
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,840
Everybody else was gone, wow, yeah.

1580
01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:09,159
Speaker 3: We heard drums. I remember the first time that I

1581
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:13,960
was there. We would hear like there was actual drums

1582
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:17,800
at the end of a long corridor. We'd stop and

1583
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,720
we'd listen and you could hear and it was it

1584
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,479
kind of uh, you know, you could hear it all

1585
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,960
through the that that level, that floor that we were on,

1586
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:29,399
and it was very loud. And I remember asking that

1587
01:21:29,239 --> 01:21:31,720
the guide, you know, that the tour guide, what the

1588
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,720
what the drumming was, and he of course had no idea.

1589
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,920
So we walked down towards that that area, and then

1590
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,920
of course it disappears, but you know, it stops. But

1591
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:44,439
you know, Waverley is pretty uh, it's it's got its own.

1592
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,920
The fourth floor is pretty intense, I think, especially around

1593
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,760
the operating room.

1594
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 6: Did you guys have any any odd experiences in either

1595
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:57,399
room Favel two or the body tunnels.

1596
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:58,119
Speaker 3: I haven't.

1597
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 13: No, those are actually those two places I don't really

1598
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,079
care to go to because nothing has ever happened for

1599
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,439
me there. I like the fourth floor, I like all

1600
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,880
the floors except the fifth floor. I just it doesn't

1601
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:11,720
do anything for me.

1602
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the fourth floor in the gift shop area

1603
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,880
on the first floor is actually I've had a lot

1604
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,760
more things happen to me in that area as well.

1605
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,239
I was probably I think we weren't there maybe an hour,

1606
01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:34,680
and I remember hearing a very clear, loud, you know, breath,

1607
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,520
like somebody exhaling right in my left ear, and it

1608
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,319
was it was so close I could feel it. But

1609
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:45,680
I also thought it also reminded me of maybe there

1610
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,159
was a speaker or some kind of like a little

1611
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:51,920
machine that creates wind of some sort. And I remember

1612
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,359
taking my flashlight and shining it up to the ceiling

1613
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:58,720
and of course I see, you know, there's nothing there,

1614
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,640
and there's no one that within an arm's length near

1615
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,039
me that would have even created that, But there was

1616
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:09,479
just this very loud exhale right in my ear, and

1617
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,359
I just remember feeling it and it just gave me

1618
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,039
chills down my spine.

1619
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 6: Well, that's you know, and that's the whole thing. That's

1620
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,560
why I'm so excited. We're doing back to back tours.

1621
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,680
We're going to the seventh or the eight o'clock and

1622
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,199
then at ten o'clock right afterwards, so we'll have a

1623
01:23:24,199 --> 01:23:28,399
double chance to catch something hopefully. Ladies. I greatly appreciate

1624
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,640
the fact that you gave us some time and came on,

1625
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,239
and I especially loved the bonus information of Waverley because

1626
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,119
I definitely wouldn't expect them to get that tonight. So

1627
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:40,159
that was a fun little plus for me. So, Angie,

1628
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:43,560
you were saying earlier that you actually have seen people

1629
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,399
scratched down there. Can you tell me the story about

1630
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,199
when you've actually seen this happen.

1631
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we used to help volunteer do some of

1632
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:01,720
the bar tours, and this particular weekend was volunteering and

1633
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,039
I had a group of people down in the basement.

1634
01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:07,520
We were down in the well room and there was

1635
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,720
this guy. I just kept watching him because he kept

1636
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:15,239
grabbing his back and he wasn't standing up against the wall.

1637
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:17,640
He wasn't, you know, standing in the middle of the room,

1638
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,760
but he was standing about, you know, two feet away

1639
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:24,359
from the wall and kept grabbing his back. And later

1640
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,359
on we made our way down towards the dressing rooms

1641
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,720
and he was standing in the doorway of one of

1642
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,159
those dressing rooms and he grabs his back again and

1643
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,600
then he's, you know, very vocal. He's like, oh, there's

1644
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:42,399
there's something wrong with my back. So his girlfriend that

1645
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,159
was with him, he had her raise up his coat.

1646
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,159
He had a coat on, he had a fleece jacket

1647
01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:53,199
underneath that, and then a thermal shirt underneath that. He

1648
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:56,840
had her raise up his clothes to look at his back,

1649
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:02,319
and you could see three scratches down his back. So

1650
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,000
I even went as far as asking his girlfriend to

1651
01:25:05,079 --> 01:25:08,079
show me her fingernails. I wanted to make sure that

1652
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:10,920
she did not scratch him, and sure enough, she was

1653
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,800
a nail buyer, so there was no way that she

1654
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,920
could have inflicted those on his back. In the angle

1655
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,319
of those scratches, there was no way that he would

1656
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,800
be able to inflict those on himself. And what's funny

1657
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,279
is there was a piece of wallpaper in between his

1658
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:33,680
coat and his jacket that fell out that matched the

1659
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:38,840
type of wallpaper that is hanging in the well room.

1660
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,840
So that's just one of the you know, the many

1661
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,239
times that I've seen people, you know, actually be physically

1662
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,760
touched and scratched in some way down in the basement.

1663
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 6: Now, I'm going to recover some ground that we covered

1664
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,399
off the air, because I thought this was interesting point

1665
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,880
that you brought up. You know, we talked about the

1666
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,359
fact that some of these stories may be a little

1667
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:04,199
more based in lower than actual fact. But what is

1668
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:08,880
fact is that place, as far as where it's located at,

1669
01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:13,199
can just be a mass of energy from various different reasons.

1670
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:15,560
Can you expand on that a little bit for me.

1671
01:26:16,119 --> 01:26:20,119
Speaker 3: Well, you've got the Limestone Hills, the cliffs that are

1672
01:26:20,279 --> 01:26:24,479
right across the street. You have the river, the Licking River,

1673
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,199
which flows north. From what I understand, there's only a

1674
01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:33,560
few rivers in the world that actually do that. We're

1675
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,840
told we've had some proof, but then some things have

1676
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,760
kind of debunked this that there could possibly be an

1677
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,359
underground river and also a fault line in that area.

1678
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,119
So you know, you've got all of these different types

1679
01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:56,880
of you know, energy that is a conduit to energy.

1680
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,399
I guess you could say, you know, that area is

1681
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,760
also known as as Gallows Gap. Back in the late

1682
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,600
seventeen hundreds early eighteen hundreds, there were you know, lynchings

1683
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,600
and hangings in that area. From what I understand, there

1684
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,479
was a lot of Native American activity along with you know,

1685
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,560
some of the soldiers. And also you know, that area

1686
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,199
is part of you know, the underground railroad as well,

1687
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,279
you know, and then there was a bridge that was

1688
01:27:26,359 --> 01:27:30,880
close by that collapsed during the instruction of that bridge

1689
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,800
in the late eighteen hundreds, in which a lot of

1690
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,960
men were killed. And also that stretch of highway, you know,

1691
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,840
where Bobby Mackie is at. There's been a lot of

1692
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,399
fatal accidents. As a matter of fact, across the street

1693
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,159
from the parking lot, there was a fatal accident there.

1694
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,479
You know, they have the cross there. So there's been

1695
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,680
a lot of tragic things that's happened, you know, in

1696
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,279
and around that area, not in the bar itself.

1697
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 6: That's like I said, that's that's truly fascinating that you

1698
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,399
get all those things combined. It definitely it's got to

1699
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,039
lead to some kind of activity there without a doubt. Great,

1700
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:07,680
tell everybody how they can find out more about Gatekeeper

1701
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,399
Paranormal because I know you guys do some residential stuff

1702
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,560
as well as businesses and stuff. Tell us a little

1703
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,239
bit about what you got going on and how they

1704
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:17,359
can find out more about you.

1705
01:28:18,039 --> 01:28:21,239
Speaker 13: Well, we do tours at Bobby Mackie's Sunday through Thursday

1706
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:25,039
all year round, and you can find us on Facebook

1707
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:28,239
and Gatekeeper Paranormal or you can go to Gatekeeper Paranormal

1708
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:30,880
dot com and if you're interested in booking a tour,

1709
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:32,960
you can book it right on our website.

1710
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, and we'll talk to you soon

1711
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,640
because I'm sure we might hook back up with you

1712
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,079
again right before we go to Waverley and hear a

1713
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:42,479
few more stories and maybe get some advice from you

1714
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:43,640
guys for the listeners.

1715
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:46,279
Speaker 3: That are going. That'd be great. Yeah, I would thank.

1716
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:50,159
Speaker 6: You so much, ladies, right, thank you. So they definitely

1717
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:51,600
had some stories to tell, didn't.

1718
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 11: I They sure did, And that's interesting.

1719
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:54,199
Speaker 1: You know.

1720
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,279
Speaker 6: And I love the fact that they touched on Waverley

1721
01:28:56,279 --> 01:28:57,560
a little bit, and they're going to be at Waverley

1722
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,159
just a couple of days before we're going to be there,

1723
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:02,840
you can is. I thought that was pretty awesome. So

1724
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,600
here's the deal. Obviously, we've got some stuff coming up

1725
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,359
that's going to wrap up most of our Bobby Macky stuff. Now,

1726
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:12,079
we are going to put that fifteen minute interview with

1727
01:29:12,399 --> 01:29:14,720
Jerry Springer, which I would advise everybody to listen to.

1728
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,720
It's awesome. There's not a boring second in it. And

1729
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,720
I wanted to make sure that we reminded everybody that

1730
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,039
we've got a couple of live events coming up April

1731
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:29,159
fourteenth in just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio. If you're in

1732
01:29:29,159 --> 01:29:34,880
that Cincinnati area, Prohio Podcast Ourselves and Mysterious circumstances, Tickets

1733
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:36,880
are selling out really quick for that one. They're about

1734
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,920
half gone already. That's going to be at a Rooster's

1735
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,640
up there in Milford, Ohio. Is the actual name of

1736
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,720
the town, but like I said, it's the suburb of Cincinnati,

1737
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:45,960
and we can't wait to do that when that's going

1738
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:46,920
to be a lot of fun.

1739
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, it will be a lot of fun and can't

1740
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:49,640
wait to see you guys.

1741
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,199
Speaker 6: And I'll put the link up on our Facebook page

1742
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:54,439
so you can get tickets if you'd like to get

1743
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,439
them in that area. Two weeks later, April twenty eighth,

1744
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,479
the big Waverley event Fright Night in the Ville, Louisville, Kentucky.

1745
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,159
We got pleasing terrors ourself, history goes bump all doing

1746
01:30:06,199 --> 01:30:09,239
a live show, and then we're going to a tour

1747
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:11,840
of Waverley. So how cool exagutration. I get to do

1748
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:12,319
two tours.

1749
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 11: I know, I don't know about all that, but I

1750
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,760
hope it's gonna go good. I mean, I mean not

1751
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,640
for me anyway. So I figured if something don't get

1752
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,359
me the first round, it might have a chance to

1753
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:24,399
get me the second round.

1754
01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 6: Tickets for that I'll post a link for that also,

1755
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,159
but they're really almost gone. We've got eleven as of today,

1756
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,439
we've got eleven tickets left for the live event. And

1757
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,479
I know we sold out the first tour of Waverley,

1758
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,720
which was seven thirty that night, April twenty eighth. That

1759
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,359
was fifty tickets. That sold out really quick. So we decided, hey,

1760
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,760
let's do another one. And the last I heard, there's

1761
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,239
only like, I think there was eighteen tickets left on

1762
01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:49,600
that one the last time. Look, so it's probably less now.

1763
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, and we can't thank you guys enough for coming

1764
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,399
and joining us in the other two podcasters. No, it's

1765
01:30:56,399 --> 01:30:58,560
gonna be fun, Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean that

1766
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,359
means the world to all of us. And it's just

1767
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:02,840
going to be so much fun meeting you guys, and

1768
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,159
it's just going to be a great time.

1769
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 6: Just like it. It just means that we're going to

1770
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,199
do more of these things because we are blown away

1771
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:09,239
by the response we got.

1772
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 11: I know, it's amazing.

1773
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 6: We're already talking to pleasing terrors and history goes bump

1774
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,039
about doing things closer to their necks.

1775
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh.

1776
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 6: Charleston, South Carolina, or Orlando, Florida.

1777
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,079
Speaker 11: So hey, that sounds good to me.

1778
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:24,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure it does, it does go.

1779
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 11: We can't wait for all this excitement.

1780
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 6: I want to give a shout out to a longtime

1781
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,800
listener that's never had one. Miss SHAWNA Johnson up in Farmington, Michigan.

1782
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,840
She's a Louisville girl, but she lives up in Michigan

1783
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,680
now and she listens on a regular basis. Most of

1784
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:42,159
you probably saw her picture in the sweatshirt that we posted.

1785
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,239
Speaker 11: No thanks, sweetheart, beaut it ful anytime you can get

1786
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:48,880
a free model, That's what I'm going. We appreciate all

1787
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,840
you guys supporting us and you know, and buying our

1788
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,239
merchandise and everything like that. It's just it still blows

1789
01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:58,880
our mind to this day how blessed we are. So

1790
01:31:59,119 --> 01:31:59,800
we love you guys.

1791
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,319
Speaker 6: So speaking of that, to purchase some of our merchandise

1792
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,239
or to is like to say to percha our merch.

1793
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,520
Speaker 11: Hey, you just make that up. Yeah I don't like it.

1794
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,279
Speaker 6: It almost sounds kind of dirty though, but anyway, perch

1795
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:16,359
our merch. So I'll never forget one time when I

1796
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:18,920
went out, I was on the radio and I was

1797
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,319
telling them how to find me because my stage name

1798
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,079
in comedy was the Rent daddy, and I remember saying

1799
01:32:24,119 --> 01:32:25,800
to the host of the radio stage and just google

1800
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,279
the rent daddy, and I thought, well that I don't

1801
01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:30,319
even if I can say that on the radio. But yeah,

1802
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:33,079
go to hillbelliy Horror stories dot com. You could do

1803
01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:36,199
two things there. You can get your merchandise, which we

1804
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:38,640
added two new designs this week. People keep saying that

1805
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,079
they like the just the basic design with no background,

1806
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,199
and we added a black and a white version, and

1807
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,199
I really like it. It's simple, but you can put

1808
01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:49,680
them on any color and the white on the black

1809
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:50,840
shirt looks really good.

1810
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,319
Speaker 11: Yeah, I like it as well.

1811
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can get like Neon green with the

1812
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:56,960
black logo and stuff like it, so it looks really good.

1813
01:32:57,119 --> 01:32:59,039
But check that out. And then you also join up

1814
01:32:59,079 --> 01:33:02,000
for our patreon there. Make sure that you jump in

1815
01:33:02,039 --> 01:33:03,560
on there if you want all these free episodes that

1816
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,880
we do, including all of Haunted Cincinnati that will be

1817
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:06,640
out Thursday.

1818
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,119
Speaker 11: I think, yeah, yeah, excited for that one as well.

1819
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:11,840
There's things, I mean, I've kind of lived close to

1820
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,840
that area, but and even here, there's so many places

1821
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,000
that I have no clue that are even as haunted

1822
01:33:18,039 --> 01:33:18,640
as they are.

1823
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 6: Well and on top of that One of the things

1824
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,640
that we talk about is the Cincinnati Music Hall. If

1825
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:25,720
you live around the area, you probably know that story.

1826
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 4: Prod.

1827
01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 6: If you don't, that's one you definitely got to hear. Yeah,

1828
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:33,880
I'll just give you a little tease. Think about an

1829
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:39,920
orphanage and a saint asylum on the same property and

1830
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,880
a cholera epidemic wipes out almost all of them.

1831
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,039
Speaker 11: My god, that's so depressing.

1832
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 6: Most of them have no ideas or no money, so

1833
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,439
they all get buried in burlaps apps in a mass grave,

1834
01:33:52,079 --> 01:33:53,960
and then they build a music hall right over top

1835
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,199
of it without moving into the bodies. What can go wrong?

1836
01:33:57,159 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 11: The end?

1837
01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:00,520
Speaker 6: So that's what we're going to talk about. The patrion

1838
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,640
everysod at least one story. Yeah, guys, we love you

1839
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:08,319
so much. We appreciate everything that you do for us,

1840
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:10,920
and we will see you very soon.

1841
01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, we love you guys, and we hope you have

1842
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:13,680
a great week.

1843
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 6: Obviously, that was Ninja saying hi in the background. Oh

1844
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:18,960
and before we get out of here, we put a

1845
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,840
poll up on our group. Another good reason to be

1846
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,399
a part of our Facebook group. We said that you

1847
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,800
guys could pick between seven eight items that we had

1848
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,840
listed for show topics and it ended up being a

1849
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,560
tie between the Tower of London and a Robert the

1850
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,800
Dall reboot. And I guess what we'll do. Since we

1851
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,800
just did a reboot tonight, We'll give it a break

1852
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,600
and we will do the Tower of London next week

1853
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,079
and do Robert the Doll reboot the week after. Thank

1854
01:34:46,119 --> 01:34:48,600
you guys for being part of the poll. And also

1855
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,079
I wanted to send another shout out to Monica. She's

1856
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:54,600
a listener going through a lot right now and I

1857
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,039
just wanted to let her know that we're thinking about her.

1858
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:59,439
If you can send some positive thoughts to Monica, even

1859
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,760
though you're not hundred percent sure exactly who she is,

1860
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,000
I'm sure they will reach her. So thank you guys.

1861
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:04,800
We'll see you next week.

1862
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,319
Speaker 12: A few years back, a punchy of music singer Bobby

1863
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,880
Mackie bought himself his very own honky Tonk saloon. While

1864
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,479
preparing for the grand opening, his pregnant wife Janet had

1865
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,479
her first run in with a ghost. Janet, describe what

1866
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:18,880
happened to.

1867
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 4: You, well, Jerry, I was upstairs and just checking around,

1868
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:31,520
making sure everything was getting prepared to open, and something

1869
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,880
grabbed me around the waist, and it was so much

1870
01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:40,119
pressure and forced that I could not get loose. So

1871
01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:43,840
I was picked up and carried almost to the door

1872
01:35:44,359 --> 01:35:48,279
to where you go down the stairs and dropped on

1873
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:53,520
the floor. And then I got loose from it somehow

1874
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,880
and went on to the top of the steps and

1875
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:57,840
fell down again.

1876
01:35:58,640 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 6: Were you screaming out?

1877
01:36:00,079 --> 01:36:03,199
Speaker 4: Well, the I was trying to scream out and I couldn't.

1878
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 12: Did you turn around and look who's carrying you?

1879
01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 4: Right? I turned around. There was nothing there, but still

1880
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,520
the force was there, the pressure and everything.

1881
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,319
Speaker 12: What time of the day was this.

1882
01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:19,399
Speaker 4: This was like sometime an early mid noon or so

1883
01:36:20,079 --> 01:36:20,520
mid day.

1884
01:36:21,399 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 12: Just to clear the record, you had not been drinking anything.

1885
01:36:24,119 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 4: No, I was pregnant. I was pregnant.

1886
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:32,279
Speaker 12: Is it possible you felt baby pain, baby moving?

1887
01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 4: No?

1888
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 12: No, no, you were literally picked up off the ground.

1889
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,760
I was literally picked thrown down the steps right.

1890
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 4: So I was like pushed pushed by something down the steps.

1891
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,479
I fell to the bottom. I was on my knees.

1892
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,000
I looked up and there was a voice saying, get out,

1893
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:50,600
get out.

1894
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 6: Were you screaming crying?

1895
01:36:52,039 --> 01:36:54,399
Speaker 4: I was trying to scream. You couldn't get out, You

1896
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:55,880
could not get nothing out.

1897
01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:02,239
Speaker 6: Bobby, she's your wife. Are you buying this? Are you

1898
01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:02,600
buying this?

1899
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:03,399
Speaker 5: No?

1900
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,520
Speaker 7: First of all, I don't believe in ghosts at all.

1901
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 4: And we've been there for thirteen that's not true. Well

1902
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,279
that's not true. It is it is believe. We've been

1903
01:37:14,279 --> 01:37:16,840
there for thirteen years and I have never seen anything

1904
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:17,720
or anything?

1905
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 8: Why why doesn't.

1906
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 4: He If he was pushed down the steps, then he would.

1907
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 6: Believe you're not believing such lying?

1908
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,520
Speaker 4: She she had been hearing these stories she didn't like to.

1909
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:30,239
I don't care.

1910
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 8: She was terrified and has verified all that, then you

1911
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:37,439
would understand she.

1912
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 4: Had been hearing these stories. And I think the power

1913
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,760
of suggestion. I think she was looking for enough.

1914
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 6: That's not so you think. Are you saying she's lying?

1915
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying she's lying. I think she believes

1916
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,159
it happens. Don't believe she believes it.

1917
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,199
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, she does believe.

1918
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 4: It happened, but it happened. I don't believe it happened.

1919
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 6: Well, how do you, Janet's full.

1920
01:37:59,640 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 14: I don't.

1921
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:01,079
Speaker 8: I just don't believe in ghosts.

1922
01:38:01,079 --> 01:38:03,079
Speaker 4: I don't believe there's such a time. Was something there

1923
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:03,720
to grab me?

1924
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:04,399
Speaker 3: Did you wind up.

1925
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,359
Speaker 6: Did you wind up? What happened to the baby?

1926
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:11,600
Speaker 4: Well, I went into labor at the instance when I

1927
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,319
fell down the steps, Yeah, pushed down the steps and

1928
01:38:14,359 --> 01:38:18,159
I got to the bottom later next morning, about eight thirty.

1929
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:21,960
That next morning, I had my daughter the very next morning,

1930
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:22,600
at eight thirty.

1931
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,079
Speaker 15: After I was she weighed a pound fifteen hours.

1932
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,079
Speaker 4: And she yeah, she weighed an It was a premature birth. Premature,

1933
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:31,600
she was three months early.

1934
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,039
Speaker 12: Bobby, doesn't that and doesn't that make you believe? I mean,

1935
01:38:35,079 --> 01:38:36,880
why would you make up a story about being thrown

1936
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,039
down the sit with her own baby?

1937
01:38:38,079 --> 01:38:39,560
Speaker 6: I mean making up the stories.

1938
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:43,039
Speaker 15: I just don't believe that the ghosts had anything to

1939
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:43,359
do with it.

1940
01:38:43,399 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 4: Well, I do, and I believe that me being you know,

1941
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:47,720
her being premature.

1942
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,359
Speaker 12: Get do you get any worries.

1943
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 6: About being in your club?

1944
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:52,079
Speaker 12: Bobby?

1945
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 14: No?

1946
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,119
Speaker 6: Do you go there alone at night?

1947
01:38:54,600 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 15: Well not like no, he doesn't. But it's not because

1948
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,439
of any ghosts. I mean, this place is a reason

1949
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,640
we'd feeling about it, But no ghost has ever jumped

1950
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:11,880
out of it.

1951
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,399
Speaker 4: Well, something's jumped out. Actually. One time you went down

1952
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,760
there to check on the machine, and you come home

1953
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,640
real fast, and you wanted.

1954
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:19,399
Speaker 6: Somebody go in there.

1955
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 15: But I think I heard something in the basement sound

1956
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:22,399
like an animal.

1957
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:23,560
Speaker 6: But that's just what it's like.

1958
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:25,079
Speaker 4: It was upstairs.

1959
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,199
Speaker 12: You had told us before, Janet, Janety told us before

1960
01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:33,039
that the ghosts once tried to kill you with the latter.

1961
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 4: Right, That's another thing I was. I didn't do a

1962
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,520
lot of hard labor, but I did mostly get things

1963
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,119
together to where, you know, the club could be opened.

1964
01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:48,960
Because he doesn't know, Jerry, he wasn't with me. He's

1965
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:54,960
still afraid to go in with me. So therefore the oh, yes, no,

1966
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,399
not very I'm not afraid to go in there.

1967
01:39:58,479 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1968
01:40:01,079 --> 01:40:02,319
Speaker 6: First, I just want to thank you.

1969
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,039
Speaker 12: I just want to welcome everybody to the newly white games.

1970
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 14: I had.

1971
01:40:10,119 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 15: If I thought the place was dangerous, I certainly wouldn't

1972
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:14,199
let my pregnant wife go in there.

1973
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:18,159
Speaker 12: But she's not the only one telling you stories about

1974
01:40:18,199 --> 01:40:18,720
this place.

1975
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 15: Is well, no, but you know, I think maybe she

1976
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,239
had been influenced by what she's been hearing.

1977
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:27,319
Speaker 4: Don't believe that I'm not influenced that easily. I mean,

1978
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:30,640
when something picks you up and throws you down from stairs, and.

1979
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,119
Speaker 12: Let's try this, okay, let me try this.

1980
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:36,159
Speaker 4: Let me try where the ladder goes. The ladder almost

1981
01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:36,600
fell off.

1982
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:40,039
Speaker 12: Have there been other examples? Have there been other examples

1983
01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:44,359
outside of this club where strange things have happened to you?

1984
01:40:44,399 --> 01:40:47,439
Now that we're not developing a pattern here where she

1985
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,880
makes up these stories where, in other words, everything you're

1986
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:51,399
telling us.

1987
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,560
Speaker 15: But she didn't want the place anyway, right, And that was.

1988
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 4: The reason because we drove by that place many many times.

1989
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 6: Well, tell me the latter story.

1990
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 4: Tell me the latter story, the ladder story. Okay, I

1991
01:41:02,119 --> 01:41:05,439
was on the dance floor, sweeping off the in a

1992
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:07,560
little bit, and I heard the same voice as I

1993
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:13,079
heard upstairs, Get out, get out. It was like somebody

1994
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:16,880
had their voice operator on larnx box or something, and

1995
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,000
it's just the same thing. I said, Oh no, here

1996
01:41:19,039 --> 01:41:21,079
I go again. I'll never get out of his plate.

1997
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:25,079
Walked into the casino room. The ladder was against the wall.

1998
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:29,680
It started shaking, vibrating, walking sort of like walking toward me.

1999
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,920
And when it got to almost to me, I just

2000
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:35,960
just gonna follow me. And when it did that, the caretaker,

2001
01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:38,399
which was nowhere around at the time, all of a

2002
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:40,479
sudden jerked me up from underneath the ladder or it

2003
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,760
would have fell on my stomach and I would have

2004
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,239
had my child. Now you tell me there is not

2005
01:41:46,319 --> 01:41:51,319
a ghost in there, no other one, no doors, O

2006
01:41:51,359 --> 01:41:53,560
thing couldn't have been the wind could not have been

2007
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,920
no wind. There was no Okay, no, it sure could

2008
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:59,319
not have been no wind. It was certainly a ghost.

2009
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,520
Speaker 12: Have you ever witness the real exorcism? Well you will

2010
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,720
after this break, and you'll hear from the man who

2011
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:38,319
was possessed by these ghostly spirits. My next guest is

2012
01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:41,039
the caretaker of Bobby's Nightclub and has lived there for

2013
01:42:41,079 --> 01:42:44,760
the past thirteen years. Carl Lawson says he was living

2014
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,600
a nightmare. All the ghosts in the club had entered

2015
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:51,600
Karl's body and lived through him until Carl finally allowed

2016
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,800
Reverend Glenn Cole to perform an exorcism. I want you

2017
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:55,479
to take a look at this.

2018
01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 5: Sure, it's time.

2019
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 3: For you to leave, Carol.

2020
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,319
Speaker 4: It's time for every.

2021
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:15,199
Speaker 17: Oh my god, yes you are going, Yes you are. Yes,

2022
01:43:16,319 --> 01:43:19,319
we all have to let it, leaving.

2023
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 3: Leaving, leaving, leaving, leaving.

2024
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:29,159
Speaker 18: You gotta leave tonight.

2025
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,159
Speaker 3: I don't have to go nowhere.

2026
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,279
Speaker 2: This body is fine, it's not this by is bye.

2027
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 16: No, it's not in the name of Jesus Christ of Madrath,

2028
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,680
and on the authority of God's words. I command Charlie,

2029
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,119
I command Sam, I.

2030
01:43:46,119 --> 01:43:56,399
Speaker 18: Command every spirit to leave leave him Charlie.

2031
01:43:58,039 --> 01:44:00,520
Speaker 12: Carl how did you know that ghost had entered your body?

2032
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: Well, Jerry, especially the past few years, I never felt control.

2033
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 4: Of anything that I did.

2034
01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 1: I had habits and mood swings that were just completely uncontrollable.

2035
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 3: It was just a nightmare. My life was just.

2036
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,359
Speaker 4: Completely not anything I wanted to do, it.

2037
01:44:17,279 --> 01:44:18,399
Speaker 1: Belonging to something else.

2038
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 12: Lots of people have moods, but I think if I

2039
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,239
got in a bad mood or something, the first thing

2040
01:44:23,279 --> 01:44:25,439
I would say would not be actually, the must be

2041
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:26,039
a ghost in me.

2042
01:44:27,039 --> 01:44:30,319
Speaker 4: Well, these weren't just like a regular bad mood. A

2043
01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:31,600
lot of other people would.

2044
01:44:32,279 --> 01:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Be kind of named it to me, like that's not you.

2045
01:44:35,359 --> 01:44:38,960
I had several personalities that were I mean that I

2046
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:39,920
didn't even remember.

2047
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,399
Speaker 12: I mean, it's like, did you go to a psychologist

2048
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,880
or why did you decide to have an exorcism?

2049
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:47,279
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare.

2050
01:44:47,319 --> 01:44:50,279
Speaker 4: I knew something had to be done or I would never.

2051
01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:51,279
Speaker 19: Have a normal life.

2052
01:44:51,079 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 3: On my own.

2053
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 12: Describe Reverend if you would, what was going on during

2054
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:58,439
that exorcism.

2055
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 6: How do you do it? I have seen one.

2056
01:45:01,239 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: Carl became very violent during the exorcism.

2057
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 4: We started.

2058
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 1: I started out first of all. I went to the

2059
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,920
club on a Thursday night, and I sat and talked

2060
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:21,079
with Carl for quite a lengthy time and shared with

2061
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:28,399
him scriptures, something that he could relate to in as

2062
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:33,039
simple as terms as I could possibly put them. We

2063
01:45:33,079 --> 01:45:37,760
went back the next week on a Thursday night and

2064
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:39,880
Carl and I went in the back room and I

2065
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:44,960
began to talk with him and began to pray, and

2066
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,239
then we went The spirits began to arise begin to

2067
01:45:48,319 --> 01:45:51,199
talk through him. And as they began to talk through

2068
01:45:52,119 --> 01:45:55,800
through him, I would talk back to them because they

2069
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,920
had taken over Carl's body completely.

2070
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 12: Why did they choose to take over somebody's body? Why

2071
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,439
did they choose to be in that nightclub?

2072
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,399
Speaker 1: I believe that there was these people were killed in

2073
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:15,159
that particular area, so they would congregate around this nightclub

2074
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:20,000
because they're like people, they don't like to be alone,

2075
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,159
and they congregate in that particular place.

2076
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,159
Speaker 3: Reverend, do you believe in ghosts?

2077
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:27,399
Speaker 4: In Northern Kentucky?

2078
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,199
Speaker 20: There are some strange things going on and some strange

2079
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:32,520
things are going on at the most popular country music

2080
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,640
bars in the area. The people at Bobby Mackie's are

2081
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,840
getting used to not only playing country music but also

2082
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,720
telling ghost stories. As we learned in Michael Collins World,

2083
01:46:42,039 --> 01:46:44,680
they swear they're more than just stories.

2084
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 14: There was a time when Bobby Mackie's was known for drinking, dancing,

2085
01:46:51,079 --> 01:46:53,760
a little pool, and a lot of games like Mister Muscle,

2086
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:59,520
im Wrestler, and of course the famous bull Rider. But

2087
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,000
over the life couple of years something more has been added.

2088
01:47:02,199 --> 01:47:04,439
Just ask kind of loss in the caretaker. More than

2089
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:07,239
once he's been in the basement and seeing things he's

2090
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:08,319
never seen before.

2091
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 4: There were two men that's hanging here like.

2092
01:47:12,039 --> 01:47:13,319
Speaker 6: Justlike there was Galleries.

2093
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,239
Speaker 14: Walk along the banks of the Licking River behind the bar,

2094
01:47:16,279 --> 01:47:18,880
and Doug Hensley will tell you a history of the occult,

2095
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,760
which he's written about in his book Terror At Music World.

2096
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 21: I learned that Satonic worshippers still today worship the devil

2097
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,600
along the Lacking River because it flows.

2098
01:47:28,279 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 19: North around this area here, right here.

2099
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 21: Behind Bobby mckie's nightclub. How long has this been going

2100
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,439
on since the early eighteen hundreds.

2101
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,560
Speaker 14: No, many people say Bobby Mackie's is not the place

2102
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,039
you want to be left alone in when people leave

2103
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:42,560
at night, from.

2104
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:47,039
Speaker 21: Dishes flying, glasses flying off the bar, barstools, chairs being

2105
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:50,720
knocked over, people being attacked, their names being called, and

2106
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:51,840
people being possessed.

2107
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,399
Speaker 16: In the name of Jesus Christ of mass And on

2108
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,399
the authority of God's.

2109
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 18: Word, I command.

2110
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,159
Speaker 16: Charlie, I command.

2111
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 14: People like Kyle himself, who spent three days going through

2112
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,760
an exorcism. A recent national TV show brought in a

2113
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,680
well known psychic who claims there are six ghosts here,

2114
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,159
one of which was named Pearl Briant.

2115
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 21: And I learned that there was a girl, Pearl Bryant,

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who was beheaded in eighteen ninety six by Alonzo Walling

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and Scott Jackson. Her head has never been found to

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this day.

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Speaker 7: On the gallows.

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Speaker 21: Both men refused, even after they were offered a life

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sentence opposed to death with the ropes on their neck.

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Both men refuse to tell where her head is.

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Speaker 14: For a while, after Kyle's exorcism, things seem to quiet

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down around here. But now the visions and the incidents

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are happening again.

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Speaker 5: Are they here right there?

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Speaker 3: Yes they are?

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Speaker 4: Are they watching us.

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Speaker 3: Yes they are.

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Speaker 4: Are they listening to us? They're listening to every word.

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Speaker 14: I'm saying that the bottom line is the psychics and

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the people who have been dealing with these spirits or

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ghosts or demons or whatever.

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Speaker 19: They are, all agree they're not going to go away,

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and no one knows where they'll show up next. Michael

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Collins News Channel five tonight, We're.

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Speaker 8: Back in the thirties in the little town of Wilder

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lived an old man and it's lovely little Dolder.

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Speaker 7: They ran gambling for relieving it was the best place

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I ran. All the men would come and lay their

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money down.

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Speaker 10: For Daddy was a jealous.

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Speaker 7: Man, But Johanna fell. He kept saying the mandell to

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bad hands. So deep and night, when all the world

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is quiet, someone came and took her lover's line.

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Speaker 9: Johanna Joe Hall, Where are you now?

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Speaker 10: Could it be you still hear song?

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Speaker 9: Joe Harna, Joe Palm, Where are you now?

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Speaker 10: Is it true you still your song?

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Speaker 16: Album?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 7: Today it's a different place, all the.

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Speaker 10: Same, with a new face, with strange mister rees hanging

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in the air. People in their same minds swear they

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see you today.

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Speaker 7: Are you looking for the love that took away. Everyone

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knows that you couldn't buy the pain, so you took

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your life in the porn rain.

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Speaker 10: You took your life in pallen Rain.

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Speaker 9: Joe Harder, Joe Harm, Are you really here.

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Speaker 7: Looking for your lover all these ye.

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Speaker 9: Joe Harder, Joe Ham are.

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Speaker 10: You really here as your lover returned after all these year.

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 7: Some may not believe it, and I won't say it's true,

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but some of us have smelled your road for Fume.

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Speaker 9: Johanna Joe Hana?

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Speaker 6: Are you really here.

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Speaker 10: Looking for your lover after.

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Speaker 5: All these games?

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Speaker 9: Johannah Joehna?

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Speaker 6: How are you really here?

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Speaker 7: Has your lover returned after all these games? Has your

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love returned after all these years?

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Speaker 9: Bo