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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking recently about my previous work at the

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<v Speaker 2>program director and here in San Francisco with a number

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<v Speaker 2>of conferences, including the Whole Life Expo. I also was

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<v Speaker 2>a program director for the Learning Annex, which had offices

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<v Speaker 2>in LA and New York. And I was somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>was asked to bring out the new and hot spirituality,

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<v Speaker 2>personal growth, you can use another word new age presenters

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<v Speaker 2>that are making we're making the mark, people like James

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<v Speaker 2>Redfield at cart Toll. Actually, and there are others to

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<v Speaker 2>today's guest. Andrew Harvey was one of those up and comers.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew it is continues to be a deeply spiritual individual,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has had this desire to elevate Mary Magdalene

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<v Speaker 2>in his research and they he calls it the sacred

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<v Speaker 2>feminine or the divine feminine, and it's a lot for

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<v Speaker 2>some people to get their head around. He believes that

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<v Speaker 2>she had Mary had a much greater role in Christ's

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<v Speaker 2>actions and we're gonna hear about this today, just exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how much influence she willed in the life of Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny according to Andrew, and we know this

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<v Speaker 2>from others that she was written out of the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much. And it's funny because one of the fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating chapters that was removed from the book from the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible is the Book of Enoch. And Enoch was he

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<v Speaker 2>was a spiritualist, but he also was into metaphysics and

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<v Speaker 2>to meditation and stuff like that. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>big problems I have with religion is they don't really

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<v Speaker 2>like people to meditate or self direct. They want you

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<v Speaker 2>to go to your priest, your rabbi, your minister and

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<v Speaker 2>ask them for guidance. And that helps sometimes when you're

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<v Speaker 2>really in a bad way, that can help. But my

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<v Speaker 2>whole problem was, as somebody who was growing up, is

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<v Speaker 2>that they relied my Sunday school teacher relied too greatly

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<v Speaker 2>on the Bible, and it seemed like in certain areas

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<v Speaker 2>come the sense was kind of thrown out the window. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 2>today our program revolves around a new book that Harvey

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<v Speaker 2>has just released, that Andrew has just released, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is a profound look at Mary Magdalen's influence over Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>of Nazarene and what some people believe was her attempt

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<v Speaker 2>to bring forth an original religion, not necessarily what we

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<v Speaker 2>have today, but an original gospel as well. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think you're going to find this interesting. Andrew is very passionate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've always found him an eloquent speaker, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be fun to hear what he has to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So today's program is the Magdalene Revolution, the return of

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<v Speaker 2>the sacred feminine, and the birth of radical equality. In

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<v Speaker 2>my guess is Andrew Harvey. We haven't had Andrew Harvey

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<v Speaker 2>on our program. Destiny has been around for about what

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<v Speaker 2>we've been We've run around with seven years. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>no other spiritual teacher than Andrew Harvey because he is

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<v Speaker 2>very passionate about his work. If you don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>he is, he's a world renowned spiritual teacher, evolutionary mystic.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the author of forty books. Can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how he manage is to generate the

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<v Speaker 2>energy to produce a book. I'm a writer, I have

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<v Speaker 2>one or two books. Forty books are astounding. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful guy and I'm trying to look here. He launched

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<v Speaker 2>the Institute of Sacred Activism, and we've got to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that very very important institute, and it's the foundation

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of his work. The book we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about today is the Manulaane Revolution, The Return of Sacred

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<v Speaker 2>Feminine and the Birth of Radical Equality. It's got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in that title, and it's got a lot that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to unfold in our interview today. So Andrew,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Destiny. Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to be here. Great to be here, Great to

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<v Speaker 1>be here to talk about this book, which attributed the

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<v Speaker 1>consummation a lot of my life. I finally found the subject, well,

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<v Speaker 1>being found by a subject to give everything I have

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<v Speaker 1>to give to the world. At this crazy moment we

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<v Speaker 1>find ourselves Mary. So I'm very happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mary kind of comes and goes in your other books,

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<v Speaker 2>But why did you decide to make her the central

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<v Speaker 2>figure in this book. We're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>details of her work with Jesus, but I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>There must have been something in the past that was

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<v Speaker 2>triggering this work to come forward.

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<v Speaker 1>You could say that Toga and I really I have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you that it started with a vision, a

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<v Speaker 1>direct vision of her, which I was totally unprepared for.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was twenty years ago. I was taking a

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<v Speaker 1>group of people around perritory in the south of France.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd visited her cave. I'd been struck by the deep

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<v Speaker 1>silence in the cave. I'd come out and read the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Church's account of what she was up to in

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<v Speaker 1>the cave. I had been outraged by what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was the total stupidity of imagining that this woman in

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<v Speaker 1>the cave would be miserable after having seen the resurrection,

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<v Speaker 1>would be beating herself up about anything. And I walked

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<v Speaker 1>down the valley, absolutely boiling at the way in which

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<v Speaker 1>the sacred feminine yet again had been suppressed. And I

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<v Speaker 1>turned my head and I saw her. She was told

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<v Speaker 1>as a tower, she was in golden right. She was

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<v Speaker 1>standing there in front of the cave. I saw her

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<v Speaker 1>with my open eyes for about thirty minutes, not so

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<v Speaker 1>he's thirty seconds, at thirty hours, thirty lifetimes. And I

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<v Speaker 1>saw her nakedly, so I knew I was seeing not

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<v Speaker 1>just Mary Magdalene, but the return of the huge, sacred

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<v Speaker 1>in bodied love power she represents at the core of

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<v Speaker 1>the tradition, at the core of the real Craig's consciousness.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a vision that completely fattened me I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea what to do with it, so I

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<v Speaker 1>kept it to myself, and I meditated on it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I researched and prayed, And then five years ago I felt, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got nothing whatever to lose now and nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>prove now. I want to really go for it and

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<v Speaker 1>give the very best I can for bringing back this

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<v Speaker 1>essential part of the story of the West, the essential

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<v Speaker 1>part of the story that we have been denied, the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest love story never told, but now told. In one

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<v Speaker 1>of his thoughts, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>What convinced you that Mary's role in early Christianity had

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<v Speaker 2>been profoundly misunderstood?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Huh? Well, the first thing that totally convinced was

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<v Speaker 1>many decades study of the Egnostic Gospels, the gospels that

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<v Speaker 1>we rediscovered in Nakamaji in nineteen forty five. Gospels like

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<v Speaker 1>the Gospel told us, the Gospel of Philip Dialogue with

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<v Speaker 1>the Savior. There are so many of them, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of them show two things. They show Jesus that revers

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<v Speaker 1>the mother food of God, referst to God as Mother

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<v Speaker 1>as often as she refers to God as Father, And

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<v Speaker 1>reveals a Mary who is massively sacredly empowered, who's described

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<v Speaker 1>as his quinoneous in the Gospel of Philip, which could

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<v Speaker 1>mean consort, wife, deep, sacred partner. All the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we now know Mary to have been, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>through the discovery of Nagamati is the opening up of

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<v Speaker 1>ancient mystical traditions around Mary that had kept many things secret.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the second thing. What happened in twenty fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>is terribly important, and that is the original Gospel of

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Magdalene herself that had been guarded by Cathars and

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<v Speaker 1>mystical adepts secretly up until thirty years ago, and still

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<v Speaker 1>guarded it deeply and secretly. They one of them decided

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<v Speaker 1>that the gospel had to come out and had to

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<v Speaker 1>be published, so published it. So we have her gospel Alarm,

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<v Speaker 1>and that shows clearly who she was. She was his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>She was his co partner, She was his coinspirers, she

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<v Speaker 1>was his deep sustainers. She was a great female Christ

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<v Speaker 1>teacher in her own right, transfigured by him, but also

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<v Speaker 1>bringing to the christ consciousness a fullness, a wholeness that

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<v Speaker 1>the Church has denied it through body hatred and the

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<v Speaker 1>sakes hatred, and so restoring to us a great force

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<v Speaker 1>of divine human love. Yeah, it's such an inviting journey

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm inviting people, and I've been very transformed by

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<v Speaker 1>it myself, and I've guide to offer everybody who's interested

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<v Speaker 1>the past should become through by discoveries. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew, You're you're you're taking on this new energy and

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<v Speaker 2>it's enlightening you. I can see it in your your tone,

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<v Speaker 2>in your face. It's it's kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just very beautiful energy. That's such I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>to communicate with people if you bring together every thing

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever understood, the Jesus energy, this extraordinary, loving, holy passionate,

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<v Speaker 1>totally incarnate, fleshy but absolutely transcendent love energy that Jesus has.

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<v Speaker 1>If you marry that in your sacred imagination with the

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<v Speaker 1>sacred love energy of the female Christ, the woman who

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<v Speaker 1>brings her sacred feminine fury at mathed injustice, but also

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<v Speaker 1>sacred feminine skill at deep passionate love, at tender, deep

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<v Speaker 1>service of all things. Bring those two energies to together

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<v Speaker 1>and imagine the volcanic transformation that ring. And that is

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<v Speaker 1>what my book is about, because it's not about saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity is not saying no, no, Christianity is amazing. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's another revelation ahead, and that's the revelation that happens

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<v Speaker 1>when the bride is restored to the brain grew, when

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<v Speaker 1>there's a deep, safe revision of what the love that

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<v Speaker 1>achieved available to us as human beings to achieve in

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<v Speaker 1>the core of our ordinary, extraordinary Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny because you moved. Yeah, you move her

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<v Speaker 2>beyond what scholars consider her as a disciple and into

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<v Speaker 2>a female Christ. Define that for us, though, when you

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<v Speaker 2>say a female Christ, did she possess similar attributes that

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazarene Jesus of Nazarene possessed.

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<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful question, And a lot depends on one

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<v Speaker 1>very extraordinary transmission that you find in the Gospel of

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<v Speaker 1>the Beloved Companion. It comes a week after Jesus has

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<v Speaker 1>left his resurrected body has ascended me. She's in a

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<v Speaker 1>room in Jerusalem, and she gives an extraordinary account of

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<v Speaker 1>being ascended in her body to union with the divine

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<v Speaker 1>feminine a core of reality. And it's a eight part

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<v Speaker 1>teaching and it's extremely holy and beautiful and integrated on

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<v Speaker 1>every level. And what it charged is the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>the female side of the revelation of Christ consciousness herself,

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<v Speaker 1>through being irradiated by the resurrection light and through her

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<v Speaker 1>own work, the then transmits this extraordinary and unique map

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<v Speaker 1>of female Christhood that happens both to women and to

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<v Speaker 1>the female Christ inside the ravculent itself. Also then she

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<v Speaker 1>goes to France, and there are many legends surrounding how

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<v Speaker 1>she gets there, but she first probably goes to Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 1>where she writes the Gospel, and then she takes the

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<v Speaker 1>Gospel with her to France. And when she's in France,

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<v Speaker 1>he lives out as a female Christ or Jesus was

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<v Speaker 1>doing in Palestine. She he think by her presence. Three

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<v Speaker 1>there are many, many, some fairly outrageous miracles attributed to her,

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<v Speaker 1>But what it shows is that she wasn't turning up

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<v Speaker 1>in France as a victim. She was turning up in

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<v Speaker 1>France as an ascended master embodied radiating the female Christ power.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then it gets more extraordinary. In the last

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years of her life, she retreated more and more

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<v Speaker 1>to a cave in France, the Cave of Saint Boom,

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<v Speaker 1>and there she did some absolutely extraordinary inner work of

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<v Speaker 1>marrying the Resurrection light to her mind, to her heart,

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<v Speaker 1>so that light could be permanently installed in the human

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<v Speaker 1>race to take us to another level of revolutionary possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>That Jesus, if you like, in the Resurrection, that he

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<v Speaker 1>inseminated the new human baby, and she took that light

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<v Speaker 1>and matured it inside herself until her last breath, seeding

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<v Speaker 1>it in us, pirting it in us. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>It's not an invention of mine. I wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>claim it was, because it's so beautiful, But honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>through sacred quality between the masculine and feminine inside us

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<v Speaker 1>the end. Yeah, and that's why they're returning like this

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<v Speaker 1>presence and joy. M that's the message of the Magdalen Revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the Resurrection light also open us to the feminine,

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<v Speaker 2>is acknowledging feminine energy more profoundly than we have. Can

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<v Speaker 1>That The very meaning of incarnation should alert everybody to

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<v Speaker 1>the divine feminine. So the very simple reason that the

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<v Speaker 1>divine feminine is the bursting force of love in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>and because the world is going through a vast evolutionary crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>and we need people on the earth who are steadily

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<v Speaker 1>aware of being able to be divinized, to become stronger

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<v Speaker 1>by a living connection with a stream of embodying divine

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<v Speaker 1>love power, just as is described in the world. So

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to the most important thing to concentrate on

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<v Speaker 1>through everything and to bring everything we are to it,

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<v Speaker 1>because the time has come for us to be walking

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<v Speaker 1>living embodiments of who expanded universal love in action. That

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<v Speaker 1>relationship an astounding template for what such a love release

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<v Speaker 1>it requires. But it's here for us, It's waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>us to incarnate it. We can become more and more incarnate,

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<v Speaker 1>true being saturated by the fire of love, completely together

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<v Speaker 1>in all costs of ourselves, dedicated to burthing together a

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

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<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, Andrew Harvey, presenting his new book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Magdaline Revolution, will be right back. My guest today

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<v Speaker 2>is Andrew Harvey, who's written a new book called The

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<v Speaker 2>Magdalene Revolution, which is a look at his belief through

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<v Speaker 2>his research that Mary Magdalene was much more of an

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<v Speaker 2>influence than she is portrayed today. It's a challenge though,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know our oh yes, I mean the church

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<v Speaker 2>saying we should be looking towards a female christ, I

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<v Speaker 2>think about the Catholic Church freaking out hearing that kind

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<v Speaker 1>You know, No, you'd be surprised as well. The official

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Church me very well for you, coach. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are so many people within the Catholic Church, including some

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<v Speaker 1>of its greatest women mystics, who know this already. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a great stream of secret wisdom within the mystical

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<v Speaker 1>tradition in the Catholic Church which carries these truths. And

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<v Speaker 1>they all know what I am speaking about. They know

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<v Speaker 1>that it is real, and I'm not trying to burn

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<v Speaker 1>anything down. I'm trying to offer something and I respect

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<v Speaker 1>all possible pasts to this kind of vision. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want it here it is if you find it's not

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<v Speaker 1>to you. God bless you. You have a connection with

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think it's one of those personal

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual journeys rather than a church guided journey. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why your books are so important. On a historical note,

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<v Speaker 2>how much you have megale story was suppressed intentionally by

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<v Speaker 2>the Church and how much was this simply lost to history?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a question. I don't think we'll ever know

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<v Speaker 1>the complete answer. My intuition is that the suppression came

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<v Speaker 1>very early, because the Boys triumphed very early, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was institutionalized in the third and fourth century when the

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<v Speaker 1>Church wanted to collect the canonical set of gospels together,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant the writing out of the Gnostic Gospels, which

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<v Speaker 1>would contain very great clues of her primacy at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a very considered decisions from a very

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant and tragically self limiting consciousness, and it had very

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<v Speaker 1>time and continues to But even as that was boiling

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<v Speaker 1>on the surface, there were women mystics waking up within

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<v Speaker 1>they were becoming in the love for Jesus. There were

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous truths preserved against great arts. And now what possible

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<v Speaker 1>is the return of the full beauty, of the full

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<v Speaker 1>sacred marriage of the transcendent and the imminent that takes

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<v Speaker 1>place in them to bring the whole of human life

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<v Speaker 1>into the field of transfiguring grace that was birthed from

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<v Speaker 1>love with them and can be birthed from love inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by them, and help by them and guided by them

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<v Speaker 1>in us. And that is a wonderful way through to

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<v Speaker 1>the next level, not one of agony and paralysis, but

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<v Speaker 1>one of saying, okay, here it is the great evolutionary moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's face it as they faced it from this reservoir

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<v Speaker 1>of knowing who we are, embodied and divine, inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>religion in presence to help burst a new world. Was

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<v Speaker 1>it just the.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea that threatened, the idea of a woman that threatened

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was that. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>not rejecting your sexuality but transforming it through love. That

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<v Speaker 1>also terrified them, and that was symbolized by woman. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a secret desire to in the masculine psyche,

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<v Speaker 1>the shadow of the masculine psyche, the desire to go

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<v Speaker 1>beyond everything into some final goal, final nothing, beyond everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that is threatened by the demands of the feminine

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<v Speaker 1>So all of that is threatened by the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you agreed with him or not, that was your choice,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it survived. We have been anagamad the gospels.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have the great mystics of the women, especially

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<v Speaker 1>who really understood that. We have some amazing mystic who

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<v Speaker 1>highest level, like romandest Melodists. And we have this tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>hunger in the world at the moment for her. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not a coincidence. It's one of the most profound hungers

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<v Speaker 1>connection with who Mary Magdalen is what might be because

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<v Speaker 1>that we tend to offer us this wonderful pass I've

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<v Speaker 1>For us, it's done so amazing, But I'm experiencing it

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<v Speaker 2>Is it more than have you? Yeah? Is it more

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<v Speaker 2>than religion? Though, Andrew? Is it a passion and feminine energy?

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<v Speaker 2>Because we I mean, I've been in this field for years,

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty plus thirty years. The feminine energy has always

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<v Speaker 2>been talked about. But you're talking about a manifestation now, yes, energetically.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that look like to a society that's a

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it looks like what is happening on the largest

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<v Speaker 1>enormous chaos that is bursting out. The chaos isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>new divine information coming very very intense and force at

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<v Speaker 1>the vision, and it's not my own, it's something shared

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<v Speaker 1>by all the evolutionary mystics. The Mother Force is coming,

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<v Speaker 1>concentrating its birth in power now, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which it comes closest to us and we

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<v Speaker 1>can enter into the most direct and wonderfully intimate connection

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<v Speaker 1>with it, is through this great story in which her

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<v Speaker 1>incarnation as divine woman, the incarnation of the divine Mother

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<v Speaker 1>for the God as the divine woman to the divine Man,

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<v Speaker 1>and this great story of the sacred marriage and the

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<v Speaker 1>there now to be related to directly by us intimately,

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<v Speaker 1>so that gives us another level of connection with these powers,

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<v Speaker 1>because we can have through her return and naked, direct,

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<v Speaker 1>intimate sisterly love of fab with her inside ourselves and

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<v Speaker 1>And these sound very grand, but actually these are are

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<v Speaker 1>living realities. And that's what I will con so many

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<v Speaker 1>mystics and know this. I'm not that fond of anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>We know this, and I'm trying to squirrel trying to

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<v Speaker 1>offer this for everyone to become empowered by anticipatement when

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<v Speaker 1>through what is coming, not be destroyed by it, but

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<v Speaker 1>use it as a way to birth ourselves in this

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<v Speaker 2>We do have the gnostic texts that talk about, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>the Gospel of Mary. We need to be looking at

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, well, that's what my book is about. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about looking at that closer and bringing it directly in

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<v Speaker 1>to what it is. This is not an intellectual book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a book that guides people through this wonderful process

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<v Speaker 1>of rediscovering her at the center, you aligning yourself with

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't write it as an intellectual exploration. I've write

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have time to read any more books. It's

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<v Speaker 1>time to become living books. Yeah, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to write a living book to help other people become.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it because when you talk about the feminine,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about sexuality, and you actually have a chapter

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<v Speaker 2>where you question Christ or Jesus' sexuality, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was so important because we were It's crazy. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole religious fundamentalism right now is like void of sexuality,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's wrong. Where sexual creatures talk about that. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you for a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit, Well, I'm so glad you pointed to it, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're just wrong. It's psychotic, it's so wrong, it's completely insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Jesus was sexual. He was a human being. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And as my great teacher says in the book, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>the question is whether he was sexual. The much more

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<v Speaker 1>amazing question, and this is really an amazing question, is

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of sexuality with someone so suffused by a

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<v Speaker 1>ratio and love act.

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<v Speaker 2>People want to know that that makes them humans?

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<v Speaker 1>And human being wants to know that, yes, because every

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<v Speaker 1>human being somewhere wants to experience that. However, Jy did

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<v Speaker 1>and cynical we're all looking for that. And if he

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<v Speaker 1>came to redeem humanity, how could he not deveny sexuality

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<v Speaker 1>by showing us well, true sublime sexuality looked like. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why when he met the one who was ordained

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<v Speaker 1>for his cham he married her, and the real marriage

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<v Speaker 1>of cana Is and was their marriage and that we

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<v Speaker 1>now know from the Gospel of the Beloved Companion and

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<v Speaker 1>other sources. So his whole ministry begins at their marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>symbolizing that the marriage of what has happened between them

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<v Speaker 1>is the power that does this miraculous transformation. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>through came on the outer but also through him and

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<v Speaker 1>her on the inner levels. This is so important because

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<v Speaker 1>it gives everybody a new access to the on deepest

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<v Speaker 1>dreamers of love.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with

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<v Speaker 2>my guest today, Andrew Harvey, presenting his new book, The

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<v Speaker 2>Magdalene Revolution. Will be right back. My guest today is

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Harvey, who has just released a new book called

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<v Speaker 2>The Magnalene Magnaline Revolution, The Return of Sacred Feminine and

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<v Speaker 2>the Birth of Radical Equality. I think that another important

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<v Speaker 2>point of this new book, Andrew, is that you're showing

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<v Speaker 2>that they were bringing forth a new type of spiritual teaching. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to see this is like that you're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing forth a new chapter in spiritual growth. Talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that for a minute. Their combined energies as teachers, as

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one of the things I discovered, it's just what

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<v Speaker 1>I take all true evolutionary mystics discoverer, is that words

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<v Speaker 1>will only take you so far. And what words can

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<v Speaker 1>do is to begin to describe what happens when you

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<v Speaker 1>evoke the Mary Magdalene in yourself, or do you evoke

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<v Speaker 1>to Jesus in yourself? Where the use when you start

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<v Speaker 1>meditating on what was happening between them and start allowing

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to claim the powers that they released as potentials

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<v Speaker 1>in your own self. When you start making that eve,

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<v Speaker 1>something very extraordinary starts to happen to you. You become

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<v Speaker 1>aware of carrying much greater than you have. You're carrying

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<v Speaker 1>much deeper feelings than you ever you having much deeper

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<v Speaker 1>insights into reality than you ever imagined you could have.

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<v Speaker 1>And you start to realize that you have a wholly

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<v Speaker 1>new level of responsibility through that which isn't really guilt responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>but responsibility to turn up with your whole love body

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<v Speaker 1>placing and give what you are what you have to

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<v Speaker 1>helping a new well being born out of the incineration,

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<v Speaker 1>this immense tragic children that were burning away in the

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<v Speaker 1>beverning too. And you embodied reality. So that's where I'm traveling,

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<v Speaker 1>does that and saying to you, what is going on

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<v Speaker 1>in a wonderful brand of views? When I shared like that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have such respect for your time, what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>to you?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think what you're writing about is you're almost

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<v Speaker 2>prophetic in birthing a new understanding of what religion means,

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<v Speaker 2>that it needs to have a feminine and masculine component,

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<v Speaker 2>which is huge. This is what you have brought forth

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<v Speaker 2>in this book is that you cannot deny the feminine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's instinctual, it's part of our evolution. It's part of

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<v Speaker 2>who we are as a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also transcendent, so some interdependence, so as ultimate wisdom,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also the birthing for us of the Buddhens. Feminine

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just institue. It's transcendently wise in its own magesty

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<v Speaker 1>and truth. It's everything. So to have excluded it and

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<v Speaker 1>derided it and put it down has been a huge

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<v Speaker 1>pre fiction for both women and men. It's when both

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<v Speaker 1>all sexes are reading from that massacre. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>big massacre. Takes a lot of humble work to get

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<v Speaker 1>back in touch with the sacredness of what has been

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<v Speaker 1>denied as sacred.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what is that? What does that begin to

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<v Speaker 2>look like when you include the feminine? Andrew, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>including the feminine as within a spiritual teaching. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cringing right now because I think of the Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>Church and the Protestants and they're all kind of going,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to incorporate this, but we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>throw away the Bible. Are they going to rewrite it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think before we asked them to do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it ourselves. Oh okay, so we can radiate

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<v Speaker 1>what we're trying to offer them. That's my fullnessy, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I am not trying to get them to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>May they do whatever God inspires them to do in

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<v Speaker 1>good luck, and I'm always there to answer them if

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<v Speaker 1>they want me there. It's you asked, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch with the feminine? And the most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>way is the simplest way, and that is to realize

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<v Speaker 1>that everything you are looking at right now is the

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<v Speaker 1>embodied divine. It's divine consciousness made in all of these

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<v Speaker 1>different forms. So you are looking at the divine feminine

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<v Speaker 1>everything that's here, everything that's this, it's her, it's all her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's being manifested out of the light. She's the

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<v Speaker 1>light self manifesting. Oh there she is in front of her,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're a part of her, looking at surrounded by her.

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<v Speaker 1>Every sensation that you have is a ahh right now,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a tremendous shaking out of all assumpshots

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<v Speaker 1>when you do that, because when you do that, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't float out any you don't go any You arrive

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<v Speaker 1>right here talking to a wonderful person on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the zoom. You don't go into any realm.

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<v Speaker 1>You arrived in this realm totally in that realm. In

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<v Speaker 1>this realm, you arrived present, you will arrived complete, You

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<v Speaker 1>arrived radiant. And that's how it has to be done,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise the past contaminates what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's how you get in touch with different feminine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that simple and that outrageous. And the other way

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<v Speaker 1>you get in touch with the feminine is asking yourself, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>male or female, just a rather brutal question, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>how have you kept back love in your life? How

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<v Speaker 1>have you repressed love because people told you were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to love in that way, or it was inconvenient, or

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't want your creation influenced by feeling too much

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<v Speaker 1>about what you were actually doing. How did you actually

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<v Speaker 1>repress love in your Every time you identify where you've

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<v Speaker 1>repressed love, you'll be releasing a part of the secred

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<v Speaker 1>feminine and the feminine in you that wanted to love

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<v Speaker 1>that child, love that person, loved that lad, love that

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<v Speaker 1>woman loved that love that tiny forgot the city and

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<v Speaker 1>restitute spent three more days just stroking its stones. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did you repress your love? I think when a man

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<v Speaker 1>asks that question, he gets in touch immediately with his

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<v Speaker 1>deep heart. And similarly or any sexuality. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>big question for all of us in this time, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot afford to repress any kind of clock now,

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<v Speaker 1>because only love, unrepressed and din nice and incarnated in

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<v Speaker 1>sacred presence and sacred action, could be of any use. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The situation has come to be that extreme to extremity,

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<v Speaker 1>this answering tender extremity speaople.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of us that are overwhelmed by the masculine.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we, and I'm asking you for a process,

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with the feminine in a meditative state.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a prayer? Do we visualize Mary? How you

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<v Speaker 2>had this extraordinary event of seeing her which profoundly affected you.

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<v Speaker 2>But for those of us who are beginning to feel

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<v Speaker 2>the feminine, how do we go about connecting?

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<v Speaker 1>What's a loadsly Christ? Well? You know, I know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of very powerful, loving men who deeply want to

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<v Speaker 1>connect with Mary macdident right. And these are straight men

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<v Speaker 1>who have of love and devotion, you know, men who

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<v Speaker 1>work asks up to keep their families together, men who

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<v Speaker 1>have great sacred bones with other men, true men, real men.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I say to them always I say is

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<v Speaker 1>do her love her, Love her as the incarnation of

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<v Speaker 1>everything you love and honor in respect in a sacred

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<v Speaker 1>woman who is also beautiful, So you don't repress your

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<v Speaker 1>feelings of oh how beautiful she is. They come to

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<v Speaker 1>full part of her. Oh my god, you look at this,

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<v Speaker 1>Look at this, look feel through intensity and truth and

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<v Speaker 1>ma just see establish a personal relationship of veneration mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>and that direction and nakedness with her like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then speak from that. It's so wonderful when you allow

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of naked intimate relationships to grooth Mary Magdalum

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<v Speaker 1>and Jesus because you cut through a lot of the nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>When you do, you see them and feel them as

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<v Speaker 1>people just like you, and that gives you tremendous courage

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<v Speaker 1>to try to be more like them, because they're showing

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<v Speaker 1>you how naked it was for them and encouraging you

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<v Speaker 1>in your nakedness. It's an intimacy. Does this sounds very

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<v Speaker 1>strange to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Does this sound No, it sounds I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>grasp it, because you're talking about a spiritual evolution that

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<v Speaker 2>has been there and that you have experienced. And for

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<v Speaker 2>those of us commoners who don't have those kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual uh experiences, to understand and grasp the feminine just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like words.

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<v Speaker 1>But even after that particular practice I gave you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm saying that that helps. That helps. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>I should have acknowledged that it was wonderful, but.

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<v Speaker 1>As not to do, I'm willing to try and No.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, a long time meditator in the Eastern philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>of transcendental meditation, I can see myself visualizing the feminine

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<v Speaker 2>through the embodiment of Mary. That makes sense, But I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't I do but I'm I'm coaxing you to try

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<v Speaker 1>get to go forward like in that first meditation and

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<v Speaker 1>just clean your own divine feminine Oh VN has this

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<v Speaker 1>so break through that, don't project your undacknowledged feminine on

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<v Speaker 1>to marry. Try to be with it in its fatality.

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<v Speaker 1>And another way that you could do that is bad dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think pushing on music that is truly thrilling, what's

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally and spiritually and sensually to you Wow, helps immensely

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<v Speaker 1>to connect with the feminine enjoyment of being in abody,

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<v Speaker 1>in body, just having fun, not for any agenda, not

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<v Speaker 1>to rule the world, not to make breakthrough in AI,

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<v Speaker 1>but just simply to say thank you for being alive

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<v Speaker 1>and radiating pleasure. That's the feminine best, the irrepressible suite

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<v Speaker 1>of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's the book there. You're talking about the revolution,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the title of the book, and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to grasp more of that coming age. If that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're I think that's what you're suggesting, is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a coming age that we're entering into.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the possibilities are clear. Now. We could

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<v Speaker 1>choose the absolutely insane philosophies that are out there having

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<v Speaker 1>a newer g of vehople, and we could destroy ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>quite soon. We're capable of it, and we're not looking

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<v Speaker 1>that same. Oh, we could really step back and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the advice of the great evolutionary miss And what

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<v Speaker 1>they're all saying to us is that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>massive and very dangerous evolutionary crisis. But if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at it carefully, you see that the old ways of

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<v Speaker 1>doing things and the old structures are being destroys for

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<v Speaker 1>new ones to emerge. And if you look at that carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see that this emergence has already proclaimed itself. It's

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<v Speaker 1>proclaimed itself as very passionate concern for animal rights. It's

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<v Speaker 1>proclaimed itself as passionate concern for the first time for

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<v Speaker 1>the full justice of women's rights. It's proclaimed itself as

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<v Speaker 1>interfaith respect and inter faith mutual contemplation and work. There

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<v Speaker 1>are many ways in which the new order has already appeared,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's working so well in deep ways that it's

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<v Speaker 1>caused a huge blacklash. Because it's actually working. There is

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<v Speaker 1>great respect among certain people, the gay people, for transsexual people,

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<v Speaker 1>for sacred sexuality, for all these themes that belong to

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<v Speaker 1>this new humanity, all of that here. What's needed now

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<v Speaker 1>is for all of us to come together more consciously.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope my book would be one way of

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<v Speaker 1>gathering us all together so that we can pursue this tender,

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<v Speaker 1>humble yes in the face of this vast now that

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<v Speaker 1>can make us truly useful and effective and joyful beings

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<v Speaker 1>worn into our true selves and guiding a possible birth

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<v Speaker 1>for humanity, and all of this matter wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>The book's called The Magazine Revolution, the Return of the

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<v Speaker 2>Sacred Feminine and the Birth of Radical Equality. My wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>guest today has been Andrew Harvey. Andrew, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>blast that you've written here, and I think it's just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I I need to go back and read some more

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<v Speaker 2>of the passages. Is fantastic. Give us your website again.

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<v Speaker 2>I want people to know.

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<v Speaker 1>How about net and Drew Hovey dot net. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is Andrew Hovey don't net.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And you're on YouTube now too, I'm sure right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm on YouTube. I got my own YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 1>ravon Alon and Okay, but this has been lovely. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed it as much as that I loved

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<v Speaker 1>your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I enjoyed the book because it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>are channeling this energy which she doing most of your work,

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<v Speaker 2>but in this case, it felt like you were guided

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<v Speaker 2>to write certain pages, especially this one about Jesus Christ's sexuality.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yes, it's so profound.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as a man, as any man, wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know how a man like Jesus wood love.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it makes it as you're trying to shape

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<v Speaker 1>your own life, your own desires. My God, wouldn't it

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<v Speaker 1>be so thrilling? Muslims have that. You see, they have

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual prophet, so when they have truly sexual feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>deep wild stuff goes on, they really go and pray

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<v Speaker 1>with the prophet and say, how would you handle this?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know how to do this stuff, Please help us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fantastic, isn't it? It is?

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is that I see the Church, editors

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bible, they have excluded human nature to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where we're automatrons and we're not real human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you combine sexuality and the and the feminine

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<v Speaker 2>and masculine, this is who we are. So it's huge, huge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the natural original force being let out in a

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<v Speaker 1>holy way, not in the I mean, it's not this

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<v Speaker 1>crazy depravity that's also been part of our area. We

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<v Speaker 1>live in an age of freedom, which is fantastic that

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<v Speaker 1>we can explore, right, but there has to be that moral,

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<v Speaker 1>moral understanding of how that can become insane also. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're at that moment where all of this is available

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<v Speaker 1>to us, but we need wisdom. We need each other's wisdom,

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<v Speaker 1>we need each other's experience. We need but it's here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, while that's question, and I'll let you go. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're busy.

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<v Speaker 1>How does the truth want to talk to you, my friend? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>How does the church adopt some of this? Do they?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a big one right there. How do they?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I don't know the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'll happen. My guidance from her is that

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry about the church. You've embraced them as far

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<v Speaker 1>as you could in the book. I have been open

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<v Speaker 1>and loving and everything it could come through circles within

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<v Speaker 1>the church that eventually, over time, will bring it in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not going to be an onsought like this

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be embubbling from within through clusters

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<v Speaker 1>of resonance. You can't. This is such an overturning of

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<v Speaker 1>a whole comfortable way of ignoring the truth. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a I'm not trying to shove it down faces. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to have its own way and bubbling out.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic. Well, you're leading the way. Much success on this

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<v Speaker 2>new book, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're wonderfully wonderful to see you. You're looking great,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. I love the hair. You're looking very healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Well, God bless you. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't heard Andrew Harvey narrate a book, that's

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<v Speaker 2>another reason to buy The Magdalene Revolution, because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>very eloquent speaker and he's narrating. I think he narrates

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<v Speaker 2>half of his books. It's funny because I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to Graham about a year ago about his narration and

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<v Speaker 2>he has gone back. He's so it's so important for

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<v Speaker 2>him to narrate all his books. He's going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the early books, including Fingerprints of the Gods and narrating

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<v Speaker 2>those book and some other ones. So I'm not I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't written as many books as Graham has or

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<v Speaker 2>not even close to Andrew, But I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just not one for narrating. But if you're like me

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't have time to read, a narrated book

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<v Speaker 2>is really a way to go. So I applaud Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>for doing that. So The Magdalene Revolution, it's on available

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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon anywhere you get your books, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>published by Inner Traditions. Hey, if you're enjoying Destiny Earth

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for this program. I want to thank my

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<v Speaker 2>guest today, Andrew Harvey, coming to us from New York.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, the team of Gueltour, Mark Foster and Feya Pavar.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys rock all right, Take care every well and

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk to you next time.

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