Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: I was talking recently about my previous work at the
Speaker 2: program director and here in San Francisco with a number
Speaker 2: of conferences, including the Whole Life Expo. I also was
Speaker 2: a program director for the Learning Annex, which had offices
Speaker 2: in LA and New York. And I was somebody who
Speaker 2: was asked to bring out the new and hot spirituality,
Speaker 2: personal growth, you can use another word new age presenters
Speaker 2: that are making we're making the mark, people like James
Speaker 2: Redfield at cart Toll. Actually, and there are others to
Speaker 2: today's guest. Andrew Harvey was one of those up and comers.
Speaker 2: Andrew it is continues to be a deeply spiritual individual,
Speaker 2: and he has had this desire to elevate Mary Magdalene
Speaker 2: in his research and they he calls it the sacred
Speaker 2: feminine or the divine feminine, and it's a lot for
Speaker 2: some people to get their head around. He believes that
Speaker 2: she had Mary had a much greater role in Christ's
Speaker 2: actions and we're gonna hear about this today, just exactly
Speaker 2: how much influence she willed in the life of Christ.
Speaker 2: And it's funny according to Andrew, and we know this
Speaker 2: from others that she was written out of the Bible
Speaker 2: pretty much. And it's funny because one of the fascinating,
Speaker 2: fascinating chapters that was removed from the book from the
Speaker 2: Bible is the Book of Enoch. And Enoch was he
Speaker 2: was a spiritualist, but he also was into metaphysics and
Speaker 2: to meditation and stuff like that. And one of the
Speaker 2: big problems I have with religion is they don't really
Speaker 2: like people to meditate or self direct. They want you
Speaker 2: to go to your priest, your rabbi, your minister and
Speaker 2: ask them for guidance. And that helps sometimes when you're
Speaker 2: really in a bad way, that can help. But my
Speaker 2: whole problem was, as somebody who was growing up, is
Speaker 2: that they relied my Sunday school teacher relied too greatly
Speaker 2: on the Bible, and it seemed like in certain areas
Speaker 2: come the sense was kind of thrown out the window. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: today our program revolves around a new book that Harvey
Speaker 2: has just released, that Andrew has just released, and it
Speaker 2: is a profound look at Mary Magdalen's influence over Jesus
Speaker 2: of Nazarene and what some people believe was her attempt
Speaker 2: to bring forth an original religion, not necessarily what we
Speaker 2: have today, but an original gospel as well. So I
Speaker 2: think you're going to find this interesting. Andrew is very passionate,
Speaker 2: and I've always found him an eloquent speaker, and it's
Speaker 2: going to be fun to hear what he has to say.
Speaker 2: So today's program is the Magdalene Revolution, the return of
Speaker 2: the sacred feminine, and the birth of radical equality. In
Speaker 2: my guess is Andrew Harvey. We haven't had Andrew Harvey
Speaker 2: on our program. Destiny has been around for about what
Speaker 2: we've been We've run around with seven years. And there's
Speaker 2: no other spiritual teacher than Andrew Harvey because he is
Speaker 2: very passionate about his work. If you don't know who
Speaker 2: he is, he's a world renowned spiritual teacher, evolutionary mystic.
Speaker 2: He is the author of forty books. Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: I don't know how he manage is to generate the
Speaker 2: energy to produce a book. I'm a writer, I have
Speaker 2: one or two books. Forty books are astounding. He's a
Speaker 2: wonderful guy and I'm trying to look here. He launched
Speaker 2: the Institute of Sacred Activism, and we've got to talk
Speaker 2: about that very very important institute, and it's the foundation
Speaker 2: for a lot of his work. The book we're talking
Speaker 2: about today is the Manulaane Revolution, The Return of Sacred
Speaker 2: Feminine and the Birth of Radical Equality. It's got a
Speaker 2: lot in that title, and it's got a lot that
Speaker 2: we're going to unfold in our interview today. So Andrew,
Speaker 2: welcome to Destiny. Great to see you.
Speaker 1: Great to be here. Great to be here, Great to
Speaker 1: be here to talk about this book, which attributed the
Speaker 1: consummation a lot of my life. I finally found the subject, well,
Speaker 1: being found by a subject to give everything I have
Speaker 1: to give to the world. At this crazy moment we
Speaker 1: find ourselves Mary. So I'm very happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mary kind of comes and goes in your other books,
Speaker 2: But why did you decide to make her the central
Speaker 2: figure in this book. We're going to talk about the
Speaker 2: details of her work with Jesus, but I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: There must have been something in the past that was
Speaker 2: triggering this work to come forward.
Speaker 1: You could say that Toga and I really I have
Speaker 1: to tell you that it started with a vision, a
Speaker 1: direct vision of her, which I was totally unprepared for.
Speaker 1: And it was twenty years ago. I was taking a
Speaker 1: group of people around perritory in the south of France.
Speaker 1: I'd visited her cave. I'd been struck by the deep
Speaker 1: silence in the cave. I'd come out and read the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church's account of what she was up to in
Speaker 1: the cave. I had been outraged by what I thought
Speaker 1: was the total stupidity of imagining that this woman in
Speaker 1: the cave would be miserable after having seen the resurrection,
Speaker 1: would be beating herself up about anything. And I walked
Speaker 1: down the valley, absolutely boiling at the way in which
Speaker 1: the sacred feminine yet again had been suppressed. And I
Speaker 1: turned my head and I saw her. She was told
Speaker 1: as a tower, she was in golden right. She was
Speaker 1: standing there in front of the cave. I saw her
Speaker 1: with my open eyes for about thirty minutes, not so
Speaker 1: he's thirty seconds, at thirty hours, thirty lifetimes. And I
Speaker 1: saw her nakedly, so I knew I was seeing not
Speaker 1: just Mary Magdalene, but the return of the huge, sacred
Speaker 1: in bodied love power she represents at the core of
Speaker 1: the tradition, at the core of the real Craig's consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it was a vision that completely fattened me I
Speaker 1: had no idea what to do with it, so I
Speaker 1: kept it to myself, and I meditated on it, and
Speaker 1: I researched and prayed, And then five years ago I felt, well,
Speaker 1: I've got nothing whatever to lose now and nothing to
Speaker 1: prove now. I want to really go for it and
Speaker 1: give the very best I can for bringing back this
Speaker 1: essential part of the story of the West, the essential
Speaker 1: part of the story that we have been denied, the
Speaker 1: greatest love story never told, but now told. In one
Speaker 1: of his thoughts, Yes.
Speaker 2: What convinced you that Mary's role in early Christianity had
Speaker 2: been profoundly misunderstood?
Speaker 1: Oh? Huh? Well, the first thing that totally convinced was
Speaker 1: many decades study of the Egnostic Gospels, the gospels that
Speaker 1: we rediscovered in Nakamaji in nineteen forty five. Gospels like
Speaker 1: the Gospel told us, the Gospel of Philip Dialogue with
Speaker 1: the Savior. There are so many of them, and all
Speaker 1: of them show two things. They show Jesus that revers
Speaker 1: the mother food of God, referst to God as Mother
Speaker 1: as often as she refers to God as Father, And
Speaker 1: reveals a Mary who is massively sacredly empowered, who's described
Speaker 1: as his quinoneous in the Gospel of Philip, which could
Speaker 1: mean consort, wife, deep, sacred partner. All the things that
Speaker 1: we now know Mary to have been, and we had
Speaker 1: through the discovery of Nagamati is the opening up of
Speaker 1: ancient mystical traditions around Mary that had kept many things secret.
Speaker 1: And that's the second thing. What happened in twenty fifteenth
Speaker 1: is terribly important, and that is the original Gospel of
Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene herself that had been guarded by Cathars and
Speaker 1: mystical adepts secretly up until thirty years ago, and still
Speaker 1: guarded it deeply and secretly. They one of them decided
Speaker 1: that the gospel had to come out and had to
Speaker 1: be published, so published it. So we have her gospel Alarm,
Speaker 1: and that shows clearly who she was. She was his wife,
Speaker 1: She was his co partner, She was his coinspirers, she
Speaker 1: was his deep sustainers. She was a great female Christ
Speaker 1: teacher in her own right, transfigured by him, but also
Speaker 1: bringing to the christ consciousness a fullness, a wholeness that
Speaker 1: the Church has denied it through body hatred and the
Speaker 1: sakes hatred, and so restoring to us a great force
Speaker 1: of divine human love. Yeah, it's such an inviting journey
Speaker 1: that I'm inviting people, and I've been very transformed by
Speaker 1: it myself, and I've guide to offer everybody who's interested
Speaker 1: the past should become through by discoveries. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Andrew, You're you're you're taking on this new energy and
Speaker 2: it's enlightening you. I can see it in your your tone,
Speaker 2: in your face. It's it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: It's just very beautiful energy. That's such I hope you
Speaker 1: to communicate with people if you bring together every thing
Speaker 1: you've ever understood, the Jesus energy, this extraordinary, loving, holy passionate,
Speaker 1: totally incarnate, fleshy but absolutely transcendent love energy that Jesus has.
Speaker 1: If you marry that in your sacred imagination with the
Speaker 1: sacred love energy of the female Christ, the woman who
Speaker 1: brings her sacred feminine fury at mathed injustice, but also
Speaker 1: sacred feminine skill at deep passionate love, at tender, deep
Speaker 1: service of all things. Bring those two energies to together
Speaker 1: and imagine the volcanic transformation that ring. And that is
Speaker 1: what my book is about, because it's not about saying, oh,
Speaker 1: Christianity is not saying no, no, Christianity is amazing. But
Speaker 1: there's another revelation ahead, and that's the revelation that happens
Speaker 1: when the bride is restored to the brain grew, when
Speaker 1: there's a deep, safe revision of what the love that
Speaker 1: achieved available to us as human beings to achieve in
Speaker 1: the core of our ordinary, extraordinary Guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because you moved. Yeah, you move her
Speaker 2: beyond what scholars consider her as a disciple and into
Speaker 2: a female Christ. Define that for us, though, when you
Speaker 2: say a female Christ, did she possess similar attributes that
Speaker 2: the Nazarene Jesus of Nazarene possessed.
Speaker 1: What a wonderful question, And a lot depends on one
Speaker 1: very extraordinary transmission that you find in the Gospel of
Speaker 1: the Beloved Companion. It comes a week after Jesus has
Speaker 1: left his resurrected body has ascended me. She's in a
Speaker 1: room in Jerusalem, and she gives an extraordinary account of
Speaker 1: being ascended in her body to union with the divine
Speaker 1: feminine a core of reality. And it's a eight part
Speaker 1: teaching and it's extremely holy and beautiful and integrated on
Speaker 1: every level. And what it charged is the birth of
Speaker 1: the female side of the revelation of Christ consciousness herself,
Speaker 1: through being irradiated by the resurrection light and through her
Speaker 1: own work, the then transmits this extraordinary and unique map
Speaker 1: of female Christhood that happens both to women and to
Speaker 1: the female Christ inside the ravculent itself. Also then she
Speaker 1: goes to France, and there are many legends surrounding how
Speaker 1: she gets there, but she first probably goes to Alexandria,
Speaker 1: where she writes the Gospel, and then she takes the
Speaker 1: Gospel with her to France. And when she's in France,
Speaker 1: he lives out as a female Christ or Jesus was
Speaker 1: doing in Palestine. She he think by her presence. Three
Speaker 1: there are many, many, some fairly outrageous miracles attributed to her,
Speaker 1: But what it shows is that she wasn't turning up
Speaker 1: in France as a victim. She was turning up in
Speaker 1: France as an ascended master embodied radiating the female Christ power.
Speaker 1: And then then it gets more extraordinary. In the last
Speaker 1: thirty years of her life, she retreated more and more
Speaker 1: to a cave in France, the Cave of Saint Boom,
Speaker 1: and there she did some absolutely extraordinary inner work of
Speaker 1: marrying the Resurrection light to her mind, to her heart,
Speaker 1: to her soul, and to the cells of her body,
Speaker 1: so that light could be permanently installed in the human
Speaker 1: race to take us to another level of revolutionary possibility.
Speaker 1: That Jesus, if you like, in the Resurrection, that he
Speaker 1: inseminated the new human baby, and she took that light
Speaker 1: and matured it inside herself until her last breath, seeding
Speaker 1: it in us, pirting it in us. This is a
Speaker 1: It's not an invention of mine. I wish I could
Speaker 1: claim it was, because it's so beautiful, But honestly, I
Speaker 1: have found in the writing of this book so many
Speaker 1: mystics within the tradition and beyond it, and sometimes who
Speaker 1: have had these same intuitions, and bringing them together has
Speaker 1: been a wonderful way of offering this path. Two people
Speaker 1: now to join the two sides of oneself together to
Speaker 1: birth a celebratory vision of through christ consciousness, to heal
Speaker 1: the sexual wounds of the past, to bring about it
Speaker 1: through sacred quality between the masculine and feminine inside us
Speaker 1: in all of our institutions, to be able to go forward,
Speaker 1: to bring courage and joy and strength and embodiment of
Speaker 1: love to this great evolutionary crisis we find ourselves at
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, and that's why they're returning like this
Speaker 1: to give us exactly what we need to face this,
Speaker 1: not with paralysis, but with humble, dedicated focus and total
Speaker 1: presence and joy. M that's the message of the Magdalen Revolution.
Speaker 2: Does the Resurrection light also open us to the feminine,
Speaker 2: which is a big theme of your book, because I
Speaker 2: think that what you're talking about in a female Christ
Speaker 2: is acknowledging feminine energy more profoundly than we have. Can
Speaker 2: you talk a little bit about.
Speaker 1: That The very meaning of incarnation should alert everybody to
Speaker 1: one central fact that we will none of us have
Speaker 1: any idea of what incarnation is unless we total become
Speaker 1: saturated at every level by the wisdom and presence of
Speaker 1: the divine feminine. So the very simple reason that the
Speaker 1: divine feminine is the bursting force of love in the universe.
Speaker 1: So if you're called to the part of incarnation, as
Speaker 1: I think we all should be at this moment, because
Speaker 1: this is a moment for us to all birth ourselves
Speaker 1: as far as we can into being love in action,
Speaker 1: and because the world is going through a vast evolutionary crisis,
Speaker 1: and we need people on the earth who are steadily
Speaker 1: aware of being able to be divinized, to become stronger
Speaker 1: by a living connection with a stream of embodying divine
Speaker 1: love power, just as is described in the world. So
Speaker 1: that seems to the most important thing to concentrate on
Speaker 1: through everything and to bring everything we are to it,
Speaker 1: because the time has come for us to be walking
Speaker 1: living embodiments of who expanded universal love in action. That
Speaker 1: is what is cooled. And here we have in this
Speaker 1: relationship an astounding template for what such a love release
Speaker 1: can actually accomplish, the powers that it makes available to
Speaker 1: those who pursue it, with the depth and passion and
Speaker 1: high mindedness and ethics and understanding of sacred responsibility that
Speaker 1: it requires. But it's here for us, It's waiting for
Speaker 1: us to incarnate it. We can become more and more incarnate,
Speaker 1: true being saturated by the fire of love, completely together
Speaker 1: in all costs of ourselves, dedicated to burthing together a
Speaker 1: new way of doing everything.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, Andrew Harvey, presenting his new book,
Speaker 2: The Magdaline Revolution, will be right back. My guest today
Speaker 2: is Andrew Harvey, who's written a new book called The
Speaker 2: Magdalene Revolution, which is a look at his belief through
Speaker 2: his research that Mary Magdalene was much more of an
Speaker 2: influence than she is portrayed today. It's a challenge though,
Speaker 2: because you know our oh yes, I mean the church
Speaker 2: doesn't really recognize the feminine at all. And when you're
Speaker 2: saying we should be looking towards a female christ, I
Speaker 2: think about the Catholic Church freaking out hearing that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, No, you'd be surprised as well. The official
Speaker 1: Catholic Church me very well for you, coach. But there
Speaker 1: are so many people within the Catholic Church, including some
Speaker 1: of its greatest women mystics, who know this already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a great stream of secret wisdom within the mystical
Speaker 1: tradition in the Catholic Church which carries these truths. And
Speaker 1: they all know what I am speaking about. They know
Speaker 1: that it is real, and I'm not trying to burn
Speaker 1: anything down. I'm trying to offer something and I respect
Speaker 1: all possible pasts to this kind of vision. If you
Speaker 1: want it here it is if you find it's not
Speaker 1: to you. God bless you. You have a connection with
Speaker 1: Jesus anyway, So follow your own truths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's one of those personal
Speaker 2: spiritual journeys rather than a church guided journey. And that's
Speaker 2: why your books are so important. On a historical note,
Speaker 2: how much you have megale story was suppressed intentionally by
Speaker 2: the Church and how much was this simply lost to history?
Speaker 1: This is a question. I don't think we'll ever know
Speaker 1: the complete answer. My intuition is that the suppression came
Speaker 1: very early, because the Boys triumphed very early, and it
Speaker 1: was institutionalized in the third and fourth century when the
Speaker 1: Church wanted to collect the canonical set of gospels together,
Speaker 1: which meant the writing out of the Gnostic Gospels, which
Speaker 1: would contain very great clues of her primacy at the beginning.
Speaker 1: So it was a very considered decisions from a very
Speaker 1: ignorant and tragically self limiting consciousness, and it had very
Speaker 1: painful consequences for millions of people for a very long
Speaker 1: time and continues to But even as that was boiling
Speaker 1: on the surface, there were women mystics waking up within
Speaker 1: church to the true grandeur of the make dinner because
Speaker 1: they were becoming in the love for Jesus. There were
Speaker 1: tremendous truths preserved against great arts. And now what possible
Speaker 1: is the return of the full beauty, of the full
Speaker 1: sacred marriage of the transcendent and the imminent that takes
Speaker 1: place in them to bring the whole of human life
Speaker 1: into the field of transfiguring grace that was birthed from
Speaker 1: love with them and can be birthed from love inspired
Speaker 1: by them, and help by them and guided by them
Speaker 1: in us. And that is a wonderful way through to
Speaker 1: the next level, not one of agony and paralysis, but
Speaker 1: one of saying, okay, here it is the great evolutionary moment.
Speaker 1: Let's face it as they faced it from this reservoir
Speaker 1: of knowing who we are, embodied and divine, inspired by
Speaker 1: divine creativity and loved and coming together beyond creed and
Speaker 1: religion in presence to help burst a new world. Was
Speaker 1: it just the.
Speaker 2: Idea that threatened, the idea of a woman that threatened
Speaker 2: the early church the way it did that made the
Speaker 2: church fathers kind of reject the feminine during this early period.
Speaker 1: I think it was that. I think it was a
Speaker 1: terror of going on the difficult but wonderful path of
Speaker 1: not rejecting your sexuality but transforming it through love. That
Speaker 1: also terrified them, and that was symbolized by woman. I
Speaker 1: think it was a secret desire to in the masculine psyche,
Speaker 1: the shadow of the masculine psyche, the desire to go
Speaker 1: beyond everything into some final goal, final nothing, beyond everything.
Speaker 1: Now that is threatened by the demands of the feminine
Speaker 1: to pay attention to scuden urine and grass and reality.
Speaker 1: So all of that is threatened by the presence of
Speaker 1: a inbodied in light those transcendent answer sensual and sexual
Speaker 1: woman of gray, unique in our and out of beauty
Speaker 1: and authority, all of that in a way that all
Speaker 1: of Southern hatred of Negroes was threatened by Obama being
Speaker 1: so grand and elegant and obviously the most brilliant man
Speaker 1: in the room and deserving of what he was receiving.
Speaker 1: Whether you agreed with him or not, that was your choice,
Speaker 1: but there was no possible way in which he could
Speaker 1: be anything but President of the United States. The authority
Speaker 1: was obvious. Similarly with her, that's the most divisive imaginary
Speaker 1: refutation in presence of all the fantasies of millennia of
Speaker 1: male domination. So no wonder But what was so wonderful
Speaker 1: is that it survived. We have been anagamad the gospels.
Speaker 1: Now we have the great mystics of the women, especially
Speaker 1: who really understood that. We have some amazing mystic who
Speaker 1: really praised her and thought for her inclusion at the
Speaker 1: highest level, like romandest Melodists. And we have this tremendous
Speaker 1: hunger in the world at the moment for her. That's
Speaker 1: not a coincidence. It's one of the most profound hungers
Speaker 1: in the spiritual world now and has been for the
Speaker 1: last sety years. The hunger of people to come into
Speaker 1: connection with who Mary Magdalen is what might be because
Speaker 1: of the need for a kind, feminine teacher and fools
Speaker 1: at the heart of the true Christ revelation. She is
Speaker 1: that she is with that, and here she is now
Speaker 1: that we tend to offer us this wonderful pass I've
Speaker 1: embodied transfiguration through love which stayed themselves too to give
Speaker 1: us the template for what it could accomplish in us.
Speaker 1: For us, it's done so amazing, But I'm experiencing it
Speaker 1: in my own self too, having come through this journey.
Speaker 1: So I'm not by far at the end, but at
Speaker 1: the beginning, it is Enrome's a new blessing to feel
Speaker 1: so much energy, so much love, so much hope.
Speaker 2: Is it more than have you? Yeah? Is it more
Speaker 2: than religion? Though, Andrew? Is it a passion and feminine energy?
Speaker 2: Because we I mean, I've been in this field for years,
Speaker 2: for twenty plus thirty years. The feminine energy has always
Speaker 2: been talked about. But you're talking about a manifestation now, yes, energetically.
Speaker 2: What does that look like to a society that's a
Speaker 2: big question.
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like what is happening on the largest
Speaker 1: possible scale of great evolutionary love. Energy is coming in
Speaker 1: from a mother to birth and new human race. And
Speaker 1: it's part of the way it's registering is as this
Speaker 1: enormous chaos that is bursting out. The chaos isn't just
Speaker 1: a result about madness and hubris. It is that, but
Speaker 1: it's also the result of old systems relating to completely
Speaker 1: new divine information coming very very intense and force at
Speaker 1: this moment. So that is for me, the overall archetypal
Speaker 1: the vision, and it's not my own, it's something shared
Speaker 1: by all the evolutionary mystics. The Mother Force is coming,
Speaker 1: concentrating its birth in power now, and one of the
Speaker 1: chief agents of this birth in car One of the
Speaker 1: ways in which it comes closest to us and we
Speaker 1: can enter into the most direct and wonderfully intimate connection
Speaker 1: with it, is through this great story in which her
Speaker 1: incarnation as divine woman, the incarnation of the divine Mother
Speaker 1: for the God as the divine woman to the divine Man,
Speaker 1: and this great story of the sacred marriage and the
Speaker 1: world that is the real story of their love. She's
Speaker 1: there now to be related to directly by us intimately,
Speaker 1: so that gives us another level of connection with these powers,
Speaker 1: because we can have through her return and naked, direct,
Speaker 1: intimate sisterly love of fab with her inside ourselves and
Speaker 1: inside the field that this love makes available to us.
Speaker 1: And these sound very grand, but actually these are are
Speaker 1: living realities. And that's what I will con so many
Speaker 1: mystics and know this. I'm not that fond of anyone.
Speaker 1: We know this, and I'm trying to squirrel trying to
Speaker 1: offer this for everyone to become empowered by anticipatement when
Speaker 1: joy is so essential taste sents I'm living and giving
Speaker 1: yourself to the births of your humanity as probe we
Speaker 1: can while we're here, and what can help us strive
Speaker 1: through what is coming, not be destroyed by it, but
Speaker 1: use it as a way to birth ourselves in this
Speaker 1: way and their fields complete.
Speaker 2: We do have the gnostic texts that talk about, particularly
Speaker 2: the Gospel of Mary. We need to be looking at
Speaker 2: that a little closer.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, that's what my book is about. It's
Speaker 1: about looking at that closer and bringing it directly in
Speaker 1: to what it is. This is not an intellectual book.
Speaker 1: It's a book that guides people through this wonderful process
Speaker 1: of rediscovering her at the center, you aligning yourself with
Speaker 1: the great transformation to see and He are doing it together.
Speaker 1: I didn't write it as an intellectual exploration. I've write
Speaker 1: it as a sacred text for people to become empowered themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We don't have time to read any more books. It's
Speaker 1: time to become living books. Yeah, and that's why I
Speaker 1: tried to write a living book to help other people become.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it because when you talk about the feminine,
Speaker 2: you're talking about sexuality, and you actually have a chapter
Speaker 2: where you question Christ or Jesus' sexuality, and I thought
Speaker 2: that was so important because we were It's crazy. The
Speaker 2: whole religious fundamentalism right now is like void of sexuality,
Speaker 2: and that's wrong. Where sexual creatures talk about that. Would
Speaker 2: you for a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, Well, I'm so glad you pointed to it, because
Speaker 1: they're just wrong. It's psychotic, it's so wrong, it's completely insane.
Speaker 1: Of course, Jesus was sexual. He was a human being. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as my great teacher says in the book, he says,
Speaker 1: the question is whether he was sexual. The much more
Speaker 1: amazing question, and this is really an amazing question, is
Speaker 1: what kind of sexuality with someone so suffused by a
Speaker 1: ratio and love act.
Speaker 2: People want to know that that makes them humans?
Speaker 1: And human being wants to know that, yes, because every
Speaker 1: human being somewhere wants to experience that. However, Jy did
Speaker 1: and cynical we're all looking for that. And if he
Speaker 1: came to redeem humanity, how could he not deveny sexuality
Speaker 1: by showing us well, true sublime sexuality looked like. And
Speaker 1: that's why when he met the one who was ordained
Speaker 1: for his cham he married her, and the real marriage
Speaker 1: of cana Is and was their marriage and that we
Speaker 1: now know from the Gospel of the Beloved Companion and
Speaker 1: other sources. So his whole ministry begins at their marriage,
Speaker 1: symbolizing that the marriage of what has happened between them
Speaker 1: is the power that does this miraculous transformation. It comes
Speaker 1: through came on the outer but also through him and
Speaker 1: her on the inner levels. This is so important because
Speaker 1: it gives everybody a new access to the on deepest
Speaker 1: dreamers of love.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
Speaker 2: our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with
Speaker 2: my guest today, Andrew Harvey, presenting his new book, The
Speaker 2: Magdalene Revolution. Will be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 2: Andrew Harvey, who has just released a new book called
Speaker 2: The Magnalene Magnaline Revolution, The Return of Sacred Feminine and
Speaker 2: the Birth of Radical Equality. I think that another important
Speaker 2: point of this new book, Andrew, is that you're showing
Speaker 2: that they were bringing forth a new type of spiritual teaching. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we need to see this is like that you're
Speaker 2: bringing forth a new chapter in spiritual growth. Talk about
Speaker 2: that for a minute. Their combined energies as teachers, as
Speaker 2: spiritual teachers.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things I discovered, it's just what
Speaker 1: I take all true evolutionary mystics discoverer, is that words
Speaker 1: will only take you so far. And what words can
Speaker 1: do is to begin to describe what happens when you
Speaker 1: evoke the Mary Magdalene in yourself, or do you evoke
Speaker 1: to Jesus in yourself? Where the use when you start
Speaker 1: meditating on what was happening between them and start allowing
Speaker 1: yourself to claim the powers that they released as potentials
Speaker 1: in your own self. When you start making that eve,
Speaker 1: something very extraordinary starts to happen to you. You become
Speaker 1: aware of carrying much greater than you have. You're carrying
Speaker 1: much deeper feelings than you ever you having much deeper
Speaker 1: insights into reality than you ever imagined you could have.
Speaker 1: And you start to realize that you have a wholly
Speaker 1: new level of responsibility through that which isn't really guilt responsibility,
Speaker 1: but responsibility to turn up with your whole love body
Speaker 1: placing and give what you are what you have to
Speaker 1: helping a new well being born out of the incineration,
Speaker 1: this immense tragic children that were burning away in the
Speaker 1: beverning too. And you embodied reality. So that's where I'm traveling,
Speaker 1: does that and saying to you, what is going on
Speaker 1: in a wonderful brand of views? When I shared like that,
Speaker 1: because I have such respect for your time, what's happening
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 2: No, I think what you're writing about is you're almost
Speaker 2: prophetic in birthing a new understanding of what religion means,
Speaker 2: that it needs to have a feminine and masculine component,
Speaker 2: which is huge. This is what you have brought forth
Speaker 2: in this book is that you cannot deny the feminine.
Speaker 2: It's instinctual, it's part of our evolution. It's part of
Speaker 2: who we are as a human being.
Speaker 1: It's also transcendent, so some interdependence, so as ultimate wisdom,
Speaker 1: it's also the birthing for us of the Buddhens. Feminine
Speaker 1: isn't just institue. It's transcendently wise in its own magesty
Speaker 1: and truth. It's everything. So to have excluded it and
Speaker 1: derided it and put it down has been a huge
Speaker 1: pre fiction for both women and men. It's when both
Speaker 1: all sexes are reading from that massacre. It's a very
Speaker 1: big massacre. Takes a lot of humble work to get
Speaker 1: back in touch with the sacredness of what has been
Speaker 1: denied as sacred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what is that? What does that begin to
Speaker 2: look like when you include the feminine? Andrew, when you're
Speaker 2: including the feminine as within a spiritual teaching. I'm kind
Speaker 2: of cringing right now because I think of the Catholic
Speaker 2: Church and the Protestants and they're all kind of going,
Speaker 2: we need to incorporate this, but we're not going to
Speaker 2: throw away the Bible. Are they going to rewrite it?
Speaker 1: Well, I think before we asked them to do anything,
Speaker 1: let's do it ourselves. Oh okay, so we can radiate
Speaker 1: what we're trying to offer them. That's my fullnessy, I
Speaker 1: don't I am not trying to get them to do anything.
Speaker 1: May they do whatever God inspires them to do in
Speaker 1: good luck, and I'm always there to answer them if
Speaker 1: they want me there. It's you asked, how do we
Speaker 1: get in touch with the feminine? And the most powerful
Speaker 1: way is the simplest way, and that is to realize
Speaker 1: that everything you are looking at right now is the
Speaker 1: embodied divine. It's divine consciousness made in all of these
Speaker 1: different forms. So you are looking at the divine feminine
Speaker 1: everything that's here, everything that's this, it's her, it's all her,
Speaker 1: and she's being manifested out of the light. She's the
Speaker 1: light self manifesting. Oh there she is in front of her,
Speaker 1: and you're a part of her, looking at surrounded by her.
Speaker 1: Every sensation that you have is a ahh right now,
Speaker 1: And that is a tremendous shaking out of all assumpshots
Speaker 1: when you do that, because when you do that, you
Speaker 1: don't float out any you don't go any You arrive
Speaker 1: right here talking to a wonderful person on the other
Speaker 1: side of the zoom. You don't go into any realm.
Speaker 1: You arrived in this realm totally in that realm. In
Speaker 1: this realm, you arrived present, you will arrived complete, You
Speaker 1: arrived radiant. And that's how it has to be done,
Speaker 1: because otherwise the past contaminates what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 1: So that's how you get in touch with different feminine.
Speaker 1: It's that simple and that outrageous. And the other way
Speaker 1: you get in touch with the feminine is asking yourself, everybody,
Speaker 1: male or female, just a rather brutal question, which is,
Speaker 1: how have you kept back love in your life? How
Speaker 1: have you repressed love because people told you were supposed
Speaker 1: to love in that way, or it was inconvenient, or
Speaker 1: you didn't want your creation influenced by feeling too much
Speaker 1: about what you were actually doing. How did you actually
Speaker 1: repress love in your Every time you identify where you've
Speaker 1: repressed love, you'll be releasing a part of the secred
Speaker 1: feminine and the feminine in you that wanted to love
Speaker 1: that child, love that person, loved that lad, love that
Speaker 1: woman loved that love that tiny forgot the city and
Speaker 1: restitute spent three more days just stroking its stones. Why
Speaker 1: did you repress your love? I think when a man
Speaker 1: asks that question, he gets in touch immediately with his
Speaker 1: deep heart. And similarly or any sexuality. And that's the
Speaker 1: big question for all of us in this time, isn't it?
Speaker 1: We cannot afford to repress any kind of clock now,
Speaker 1: because only love, unrepressed and din nice and incarnated in
Speaker 1: sacred presence and sacred action, could be of any use. Now.
Speaker 1: The situation has come to be that extreme to extremity,
Speaker 1: this answering tender extremity speaople.
Speaker 2: For those of us that are overwhelmed by the masculine.
Speaker 2: How do we, and I'm asking you for a process,
Speaker 2: get in touch with the feminine in a meditative state.
Speaker 2: Is it a prayer? Do we visualize Mary? How you
Speaker 2: had this extraordinary event of seeing her which profoundly affected you.
Speaker 2: But for those of us who are beginning to feel
Speaker 2: the feminine, how do we go about connecting?
Speaker 1: What's a loadsly Christ? Well? You know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of very powerful, loving men who deeply want to
Speaker 1: connect with Mary macdident right. And these are straight men
Speaker 1: who have of love and devotion, you know, men who
Speaker 1: work asks up to keep their families together, men who
Speaker 1: have great sacred bones with other men, true men, real men.
Speaker 1: And what I say to them always I say is
Speaker 1: do her love her, Love her as the incarnation of
Speaker 1: everything you love and honor in respect in a sacred
Speaker 1: woman who is also beautiful, So you don't repress your
Speaker 1: feelings of oh how beautiful she is. They come to
Speaker 1: full part of her. Oh my god, you look at this,
Speaker 1: Look at this, look feel through intensity and truth and
Speaker 1: ma just see establish a personal relationship of veneration mm hmm,
Speaker 1: and that direction and nakedness with her like that, and
Speaker 1: then speak from that. It's so wonderful when you allow
Speaker 1: these kind of naked intimate relationships to grooth Mary Magdalum
Speaker 1: and Jesus because you cut through a lot of the nonsense.
Speaker 1: When you do, you see them and feel them as
Speaker 1: people just like you, and that gives you tremendous courage
Speaker 1: to try to be more like them, because they're showing
Speaker 1: you how naked it was for them and encouraging you
Speaker 1: in your nakedness. It's an intimacy. Does this sounds very
Speaker 1: strange to you?
Speaker 2: Does this sound No, it sounds I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: grasp it, because you're talking about a spiritual evolution that
Speaker 2: has been there and that you have experienced. And for
Speaker 2: those of us commoners who don't have those kinds of
Speaker 2: spiritual uh experiences, to understand and grasp the feminine just
Speaker 2: seems like words.
Speaker 1: But even after that particular practice I gave you.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that that helps. That helps. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: I should have acknowledged that it was wonderful, but.
Speaker 1: As not to do, I'm willing to try and No.
Speaker 2: For me, a long time meditator in the Eastern philosophy
Speaker 2: of transcendental meditation, I can see myself visualizing the feminine
Speaker 2: through the embodiment of Mary. That makes sense, But I.
Speaker 1: Don't I do but I'm I'm coaxing you to try
Speaker 1: get to go forward like in that first meditation and
Speaker 1: just clean your own divine feminine Oh VN has this
Speaker 1: so break through that, don't project your undacknowledged feminine on
Speaker 1: to marry. Try to be with it in its fatality.
Speaker 1: And another way that you could do that is bad dancing.
Speaker 1: I think pushing on music that is truly thrilling, what's
Speaker 1: emotionally and spiritually and sensually to you Wow, helps immensely
Speaker 1: to connect with the feminine enjoyment of being in abody,
Speaker 1: in body, just having fun, not for any agenda, not
Speaker 1: to rule the world, not to make breakthrough in AI,
Speaker 1: but just simply to say thank you for being alive
Speaker 1: and radiating pleasure. That's the feminine best, the irrepressible suite
Speaker 1: of life.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the book there. You're talking about the revolution,
Speaker 2: which is the title of the book, and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to grasp more of that coming age. If that's what
Speaker 2: you're you're I think that's what you're suggesting, is that
Speaker 2: this is a coming age that we're entering into.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the possibilities are clear. Now. We could
Speaker 1: choose the absolutely insane philosophies that are out there having
Speaker 1: a newer g of vehople, and we could destroy ourselves
Speaker 1: quite soon. We're capable of it, and we're not looking
Speaker 1: that same. Oh, we could really step back and listen
Speaker 1: to the advice of the great evolutionary miss And what
Speaker 1: they're all saying to us is that this is a
Speaker 1: massive and very dangerous evolutionary crisis. But if you look
Speaker 1: at it carefully, you see that the old ways of
Speaker 1: doing things and the old structures are being destroys for
Speaker 1: new ones to emerge. And if you look at that carefully,
Speaker 1: you'll see that this emergence has already proclaimed itself. It's
Speaker 1: proclaimed itself as very passionate concern for animal rights. It's
Speaker 1: proclaimed itself as passionate concern for the first time for
Speaker 1: the full justice of women's rights. It's proclaimed itself as
Speaker 1: interfaith respect and inter faith mutual contemplation and work. There
Speaker 1: are many ways in which the new order has already appeared,
Speaker 1: and it's working so well in deep ways that it's
Speaker 1: caused a huge blacklash. Because it's actually working. There is
Speaker 1: great respect among certain people, the gay people, for transsexual people,
Speaker 1: for sacred sexuality, for all these themes that belong to
Speaker 1: this new humanity, all of that here. What's needed now
Speaker 1: is for all of us to come together more consciously.
Speaker 1: And I hope my book would be one way of
Speaker 1: gathering us all together so that we can pursue this tender,
Speaker 1: humble yes in the face of this vast now that
Speaker 1: can make us truly useful and effective and joyful beings
Speaker 1: worn into our true selves and guiding a possible birth
Speaker 1: for humanity, and all of this matter wonderful.
Speaker 2: The book's called The Magazine Revolution, the Return of the
Speaker 2: Sacred Feminine and the Birth of Radical Equality. My wonderful
Speaker 2: guest today has been Andrew Harvey. Andrew, this is a
Speaker 2: blast that you've written here, and I think it's just yeah,
Speaker 2: I I need to go back and read some more
Speaker 2: of the passages. Is fantastic. Give us your website again.
Speaker 2: I want people to know.
Speaker 1: How about net and Drew Hovey dot net. I think
Speaker 1: it is Andrew Hovey don't net.
Speaker 2: Okay, And you're on YouTube now too, I'm sure right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm on YouTube. I got my own YouTube channel
Speaker 1: ravon Alon and Okay, but this has been lovely. I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it as much as that I loved
Speaker 1: your questions.
Speaker 2: I know I enjoyed the book because it's like you
Speaker 2: are channeling this energy which she doing most of your work,
Speaker 2: but in this case, it felt like you were guided
Speaker 2: to write certain pages, especially this one about Jesus Christ's sexuality.
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, it's so profound.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a man, as any man, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: want to know how a man like Jesus wood love.
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes it as you're trying to shape
Speaker 1: your own life, your own desires. My God, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be so thrilling? Muslims have that. You see, they have
Speaker 1: a sexual prophet, so when they have truly sexual feelings,
Speaker 1: deep wild stuff goes on, they really go and pray
Speaker 1: with the prophet and say, how would you handle this?
Speaker 1: Because you know how to do this stuff, Please help us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fantastic, isn't it? It is?
Speaker 2: And the thing is that I see the Church, editors
Speaker 2: of the Bible, they have excluded human nature to the
Speaker 2: point where we're automatrons and we're not real human beings.
Speaker 2: And when you combine sexuality and the and the feminine
Speaker 2: and masculine, this is who we are. So it's huge, huge.
Speaker 1: It's the natural original force being let out in a
Speaker 1: holy way, not in the I mean, it's not this
Speaker 1: crazy depravity that's also been part of our area. We
Speaker 1: live in an age of freedom, which is fantastic that
Speaker 1: we can explore, right, but there has to be that moral,
Speaker 1: moral understanding of how that can become insane also. So
Speaker 1: we're at that moment where all of this is available
Speaker 1: to us, but we need wisdom. We need each other's wisdom,
Speaker 1: we need each other's experience. We need but it's here,
Speaker 1: it's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, while that's question, and I'll let you go. I
Speaker 2: know you're busy.
Speaker 1: How does the truth want to talk to you, my friend? Now?
Speaker 2: How does the church adopt some of this? Do they?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big one right there. How do they?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1: I think it'll happen. My guidance from her is that
Speaker 1: don't worry about the church. You've embraced them as far
Speaker 1: as you could in the book. I have been open
Speaker 1: and loving and everything it could come through circles within
Speaker 1: the church that eventually, over time, will bring it in.
Speaker 1: This is not going to be an onsought like this
Speaker 1: this is going to be embubbling from within through clusters
Speaker 1: of resonance. You can't. This is such an overturning of
Speaker 1: a whole comfortable way of ignoring the truth. So it's
Speaker 1: a I'm not trying to shove it down faces. It's
Speaker 1: going to have its own way and bubbling out.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, you're leading the way. Much success on this
Speaker 2: new book, Andrew.
Speaker 1: And you're wonderfully wonderful to see you. You're looking great,
Speaker 1: by the way. I love the hair. You're looking very healthy.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Well, God bless you. Man.
Speaker 2: If you haven't heard Andrew Harvey narrate a book, that's
Speaker 2: another reason to buy The Magdalene Revolution, because he's a
Speaker 2: very eloquent speaker and he's narrating. I think he narrates
Speaker 2: half of his books. It's funny because I was talking
Speaker 2: to Graham about a year ago about his narration and
Speaker 2: he has gone back. He's so it's so important for
Speaker 2: him to narrate all his books. He's going back to
Speaker 2: the early books, including Fingerprints of the Gods and narrating
Speaker 2: those book and some other ones. So I'm not I mean,
Speaker 2: I haven't written as many books as Graham has or
Speaker 2: not even close to Andrew, But I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: just not one for narrating. But if you're like me
Speaker 2: and you don't have time to read, a narrated book
Speaker 2: is really a way to go. So I applaud Andrew
Speaker 2: for doing that. So The Magdalene Revolution, it's on available
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Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's it for this program. I want to thank my
Speaker 2: guest today, Andrew Harvey, coming to us from New York.
Speaker 2: As always, the team of Gueltour, Mark Foster and Feya Pavar.
Speaker 2: You guys rock all right, Take care every well and
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