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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Right here on KFI on a Taco Tuesday, July thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the stories we are covering a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of weeks ago, actually a week ago, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the Sane River where the mayor jumped in to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that it is safe for the triathlon, which is

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<v Speaker 2>part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is swimming in the Seine. Well, the bacteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Count is gotten high enough where they're saying that really

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<v Speaker 2>isn't safe for the triathlon. Well, when they do start it,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be the quad athlon because they've added a diarrhea

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<v Speaker 2>event right after the swim, and the Mexican team is

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<v Speaker 2>the overriding favorite to win the gold on that one. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let me talk about the fair plan. What is the

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<v Speaker 2>fair plan. Well, if you have home insurance and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't get insurance, which happened to me at the Persian Palace,

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<v Speaker 2>no insurance, no home insurance, thank you, We're done. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's happening more and more because there are so many

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<v Speaker 2>wildfire areas and now it's all over the state, and

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<v Speaker 2>so insurance companies just say no, thank you, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten out of California. Well, you go to the Fair

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<v Speaker 2>Plan if you can't get insurance, and the Fair Plan

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<v Speaker 2>you pay a lot of money and all.

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<v Speaker 1>You get is fire insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get comprehensive there's no liability insurance, there is

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<v Speaker 2>no damage coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only fire now.

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<v Speaker 2>It used to be that fire and this is part

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<v Speaker 2>of fire insurance, a part of fire damage. When you

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<v Speaker 2>have a little bit of fire and they're able to

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<v Speaker 2>put it out, for example, your house is saved and

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<v Speaker 2>only a small portion is burnt, Well, let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the whole house is ruined because of the smoke damage.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have seen houses that had just a

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen fire and the whole house they had to go

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<v Speaker 2>down to the studs because the smoke went into the walls,

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<v Speaker 2>into the dry wall. And so what happened is smoke

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<v Speaker 2>damage is part of it. Well, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 2>there was a there was a change and since twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>the Fair Plan began limiting coverage for this standard policy

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<v Speaker 2>that paid for smoke damage only if it was detectable

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<v Speaker 2>to the unaided eye or the nose of an average person.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be all you had is to test

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<v Speaker 1>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Requirement and this made us it was hit a certain level,

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<v Speaker 2>but boom, you were covered. Oh no, they changed that

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<v Speaker 2>to where an average person must be able to swell it.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>The unaided eye and an average person you know what

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<v Speaker 2>that means.

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<v Speaker 1>They can deny like crazy, and they have denied those

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<v Speaker 1>claims like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, lawsuit City, that's what's going on right now, class

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<v Speaker 2>action lawsuit saying we were denied coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to change that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that part isn't asking for money, They just want

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<v Speaker 2>the change the plaintiffs on that one, the part that

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<v Speaker 2>asking for money. Same attorney, by the way, he was

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<v Speaker 2>representing a thousand homeowners, saying that they were denied coverage

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<v Speaker 2>for smoke damage under this new definition because you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>the average person.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't be able to smell it.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, the average eye sight wouldn't be able to ascertain

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<v Speaker 2>that there was smoke damage.

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<v Speaker 1>Please. And so the lawsuit continues.

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<v Speaker 2>The insurance department, California Insurance Department is saying, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>allow that to happen. But what they're doing is helping

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<v Speaker 2>the plaintiffs, saying, the reason we allowed that change is

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<v Speaker 2>because we were given information by the major insurers, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was false and misleading information, and effectively, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where.

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<v Speaker 1>These insurance companies are going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Incidentally, the insurance the Plan, the Fair Plan, is a

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<v Speaker 2>group of insurance companies. They all have to put into

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<v Speaker 2>this fund. It's mandatory if you want to do business,

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to do business in California, and it

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<v Speaker 2>guarantees that anybody who has a home or a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of property will be covered if all other insurance policies

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<v Speaker 2>or applications are denied or your insurance is exhausted.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what happened to me. I couldn't find insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>My homeowner's policy expired November eleventh, as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I will never forget that. And I couldn't find a

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<v Speaker 2>policy for two and a half weeks, and my insurance

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<v Speaker 2>agent finally found me a policy, and it was for

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<v Speaker 2>less coverage and twice the price, one hundred percent more money,

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where it became prohibitive. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. I don't pay that anymore because I got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of the Persian Palace. But the people that bought

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<v Speaker 2>the Persian Palace lovely family, by the way, and the

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<v Speaker 2>good news is they are blind, they are not cited,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have all kinds of liabilities or handicaps, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're not able to really see what the house was like.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point is they're paying a lot more. They've

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<v Speaker 2>got nailed on the taxes, they're getting nailed on insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough to own a home today. So at least

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<v Speaker 2>under the California Fair Plan, it's going to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to if you think you have smoke damage, you just.

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<v Speaker 1>Call the lab. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Call the lab. Yep, it's reached that certain level of

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<v Speaker 2>smoke damage or the smell. I don't know how they

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<v Speaker 2>do that, but labs do that. And so at least

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<v Speaker 2>the insurance companies aren't given the power to determine what

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<v Speaker 2>is what the average person's smell is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have smell. I have virtually no smell.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that, Well, because four years of cocaine every

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<v Speaker 2>day kind of wipes out the cilia in the nostrils.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I an average person? Yeah, I can't smell anything.

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<v Speaker 1>If they bring me.

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<v Speaker 2>Up to testify, couldn't smell the thing. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the average person is. And that is the problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and the insurance commit sure, and let that fly. Let

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<v Speaker 2>that fly in twenty seventeen, and they're saying that's because

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<v Speaker 2>you lied to the insurance companies. And let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>insurance companies are your friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Fish are not food. Insurance companies are not food.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have that right? But they are your friends?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Enough of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that worked, by the way, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Olympics, you know what did the city

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<v Speaker 2>get back when it hosts the Olympics. You go to Paris,

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<v Speaker 2>you got a new village over one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight acres, you got several dozen new apartment blocks, and

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<v Speaker 2>they've changed a lot. This isn't a really miserable neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Denis, and they're going to redo and they have

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<v Speaker 2>redone the entire neighborhood. And so it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>neat way to do this, and of course that costs

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<v Speaker 2>of fortune. Cities just spend more money than you could

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<v Speaker 2>ever ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's what cities tend to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gotten so expensive to host Olympics over the past

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<v Speaker 2>few years, more and more money that it's almost impossible

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<v Speaker 2>for a city, a country not to go just spend

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<v Speaker 2>more just god awful money. You can imagine, for example, Beijing,

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<v Speaker 2>they say spent sixty billion dollars. And if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the stadium in Beijing where opening ceremonies took place,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now being rented out for bar Mitzlas.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing happening in there, and that happens to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stadium You go to Greece, for example Athens,

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<v Speaker 2>where they built all kinds of venues that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Greeks don't use. They just don't use them, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they either stand empty and if it's buildings, they

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<v Speaker 1>convert them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the Olympic villages now are at least configured so

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<v Speaker 2>housing can be created out of the Olympic village, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that one at least makes sense. But the cities

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<v Speaker 2>are going crazy and people are now thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Cities are now thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>We covered this before, but we're going to see again

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<v Speaker 2>how much Paris has paid.

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<v Speaker 1>For these Olympics, how much it costs.

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<v Speaker 2>There have only been two Olympics that actually have made

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<v Speaker 2>money or even broken even, just two Olympic Games nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two, nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty four, Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll see what happens in twenty twenty eight when

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<v Speaker 2>the Summer Olympics return to La And here's what the

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<v Speaker 2>cities do.

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<v Speaker 1>It costs so much money. Is they build infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were around in nineteen eighty four, the airport

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<v Speaker 2>was completely reconstructed. It went from what was considered the

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<v Speaker 2>worst airport, worst major international airport in the world, to

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<v Speaker 2>the worst international airport in the world. After having spent

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<v Speaker 2>in those days hundreds of billions of dollars, we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>it again. We're building out the airport one more time

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<v Speaker 2>for the twenty twenty eight Olympics. In this case it

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<v Speaker 2>is the it's in the billions of dollars, adding a

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<v Speaker 2>new terminal, new parking, the people mover because La is well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of the geography. It's almost impossible to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>People will do anything not to fly out of La.

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<v Speaker 2>So the only major city that actually was able to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with infrastructure and make it work nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen ninety two Olympics in Barcelona, however, and out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics came this wonderful architecture and Barcelona was changed over.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were gonna do it anyway, you know, let

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<v Speaker 1>me let me in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the twenty twelve Summer Olympics that New York bid

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<v Speaker 2>for lost out to London.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've got.

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<v Speaker 2>Experts in this studying the Olympics that say New York

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<v Speaker 2>won the competition by losing the games because they had prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>The city had prepared all kinds.

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<v Speaker 2>Of sites, mapped out sites they could be converted into

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<v Speaker 2>parks and housing and office towers after the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>So New York loses out and they build it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's usually the case that if you in these

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<v Speaker 2>cities who vy for it and don't make it, usually

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<v Speaker 2>build the infrastructure anyway. And it's without the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics, which are astronomical now just a security because

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<v Speaker 2>of what happens and the assassination attempt and the terrorist

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<v Speaker 2>attacks starting in nineteen sixty eight, by the way, with

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<v Speaker 2>the Munich Olympics, when the Israeli athletes were murdered by

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<v Speaker 2>then the PLO which is now the Palestinian Authority, yes

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<v Speaker 2>or air Fat headed that wonderful organization, terrorist organization that

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<v Speaker 2>then morphed into what is recognized and he became a

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<v Speaker 2>hero even though he was an out now terrorist. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics modern Olympics have gotten more and more expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>You have Munich in nineteen seventy two, the doping scandals,

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<v Speaker 2>Pick your Game, boycotts Moscow in nineteen eighty LA and

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four the bombing in Atlanta, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>not the same anymore. It's fun to watch, and the

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<v Speaker 2>International Olympic Committee is getting zillions of dollars in broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>rights and they sell off sponsorship. Peter Uberov actually started

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<v Speaker 2>that with the La Olympics. That's why in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>four the Olympics actually made money a couple hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So is Paris going to lose their shirt? Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to lose their berets on this. And we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens at the end of this. And back to security,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it forty five thousand cops just from the

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<v Speaker 2>police force and the various agencies around Paris. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>count other security coming in from other countries that are there.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I missed the nineteen nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>opening games and twenty twenty eight. How amy how much

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<v Speaker 2>you think the ticket's going to be for opening ceremonies,

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<v Speaker 2>No idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a couple of thousand bucks, I would guess.

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<v Speaker 1>If so, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be there at Sofi Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it so fine? Partial? I believe?

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<v Speaker 3>Tickets for opening ceremonies. Ooh, highest ticket prices twenty nine

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<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars. That's for this, for this Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what, I'll buy them now, twenty nine

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<v Speaker 3>No, for this Olympics. The twenty twenty four Olympics in Paris,

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<v Speaker 2>And that was three hundred, twenty five thousand people lining

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what Sofi is going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Dubuski, ABC News technology expert and reporter is with

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Mike, Good morning. How are you? I am? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna watch it this morning, or at least watch

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<v Speaker 1>the rerun.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I gotta, you know, chat with you guys first,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, I might be able to catch a little

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she is nothing short of incredible to watch

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<v Speaker 2>this woman, Yeah for sure. Okay, let's talk about open

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<v Speaker 2>Aiy's search engine. It is her, it is here, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's different than AI chat box. I mean, there are

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<v Speaker 2>how many different kinds of AI art there and who

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<v Speaker 2>is doing it? And what information are they based on?

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<v Speaker 2>And how do they operate?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, a lot of questions there, Yeah, a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean I think that's reasonable because this is

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of different versions of it out there.

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<v Speaker 4>So what we say when we talk about AI or

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<v Speaker 4>artificial intelligence in twenty twenty four, generally what we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about is generative artificial intelligence, meaning this new type of

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<v Speaker 4>technology that is essentially a very advanced version of autocorrect,

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<v Speaker 4>which you might be able to you know, access on

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<v Speaker 4>your phone where you know this the computer is able

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<v Speaker 4>to sort of predict the next word in the sentence

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<v Speaker 4>based on context clues. These large language models, these you

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<v Speaker 4>know chat GPT, open ai, you know some of what

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<v Speaker 4>Google is doing. They're essentially very advanced versions of that,

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<v Speaker 4>where instead of predicting the next word, they can predict

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<v Speaker 4>whole sentences and paragraphs of information. That's what generative artificial

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<v Speaker 4>intelligence is. And one of the leading companies in this

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<v Speaker 4>industry is open Ai. They make chat GPT, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a very advanced chatbot, and in recent days they showed

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<v Speaker 4>off a new product called search GPT. This is purported

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<v Speaker 4>to be an AI search engine, a competitor to Google.

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<v Speaker 4>Where you go to this service, you type in a

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<v Speaker 4>question and instead of presenting you with a page of

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<v Speaker 4>an AI generated block of text that presumably answers your questions.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a technology that has real time access to

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet, meaning you can ask it about current events

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<v Speaker 4>and local happenings and sports scores and all that type

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<v Speaker 4>of thing, and it will cite its sources in its

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<v Speaker 4>response to you, meaning, as you're reading through the answer,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll see little citations to ABC News or KFI or

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike, I would think since one is simply a

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<v Speaker 2>predictive model the other one, and it does not connect

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<v Speaker 2>to the Internet in real time, the other one does,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you think a combination of those two would be

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<v Speaker 2>the magic bullet here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So the rumor here with open ai is that eventually

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<v Speaker 4>search GPT is going to be integrated into chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 4>and that these two things will just become one big

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<v Speaker 4>technology that open Ai charges a monthly subscription for or

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<v Speaker 4>in some way integrates advertising into, and that will be

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<v Speaker 4>their sort of killer app, their major revenue stream. As

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<v Speaker 4>of right now, they're keeping them separate. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 4>a pretty new technology that open ai is putting out

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<v Speaker 4>their search GPT, and they're limiting who can access it.

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<v Speaker 4>Only ten thousand people have access to this program at launch.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that is to cut down on potentially embarrassing

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<v Speaker 4>moments that open ai could find itself mired in if

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<v Speaker 4>this thing gets stuff wrong, which we've seen it do

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<v Speaker 4>in the past. Google has a competitor to this service.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called Ai Overviews. You may have encountered this in

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<v Speaker 4>your googling recently, where above your traditional search results there's

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<v Speaker 4>this AI generated block of text that answers your question. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>a few months ago, that service was telling people to

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<v Speaker 4>put glue on pizza and to eat and do all

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<v Speaker 4>manner of absurd things. And that is a hallucination in

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<v Speaker 4>the AI world. That's what we call a mistake and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, misinformation that's being thrown out there. Obviously, in

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<v Speaker 4>Google's case, it was kind of silly, but you can

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<v Speaker 4>imagine the potential for that to be used for harm

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<v Speaker 4>or going wrong, and that's a challenge that OpenAI itself

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<v Speaker 4>is facing. In the promo video for search GPT, it

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<v Speaker 4>made a mistake, there was a hallucination there. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So let me ask about AI and before

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<v Speaker 2>I get into the glue on the pizza story, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is I understand that there is nothing that's being

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<v Speaker 2>manufactured out there that doesn't have a chip or some

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<v Speaker 2>technology where AI is not being used, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening very very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain what for example, my refrigerator at home right it

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<v Speaker 2>has all kinds of chips in it.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it going to do with a that does

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's a great question. I think that you're

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely right at identifying that AI has proliferated across a

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<v Speaker 4>whole variety of different industries, from the automotive sector to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the smart home sector, as you reference to

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<v Speaker 4>even innocuous things like your Amazon Alexa device is now

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<v Speaker 4>going to be integrated with AI. I think it's important

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of put this in context. AI, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as a term has been around for decades at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really just meant to, you know, describe a computer

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<v Speaker 4>that in some way thinks but is not necessarily intelligent.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sort of a very broad term, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>that a number of companies out there, marketing agencies in particular,

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<v Speaker 4>like to affix the AI label two things when in

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<v Speaker 4>fact they're not actually describing particularly advanced to AI. It

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<v Speaker 4>does have some utility in the sense that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in the Amazon Alexa example, talking to your voice assistant

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<v Speaker 4>can be kind of frustrating. It's you have to use

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<v Speaker 4>canned words and phrases, and then the thing doesn't hear you,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you have to repeat yourself, and et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>The idea behind using generative AI in an application like

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<v Speaker 4>to talk to because these systems can replicate human language

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<v Speaker 4>pretty effectively. This will be a much more natural conversation

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<v Speaker 4>that you're having, and you can get it to do

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<v Speaker 4>more things by using you know, less words and that

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<v Speaker 4>type of thing. So yeah, I think you're absolutely right

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<v Speaker 4>that it's all around what it will do in the

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<v Speaker 4>context of your refrigerator. Not totally sure, though. It's also

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<v Speaker 4>worth mentioning that, you know, refrigerators have cropped up in

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<v Speaker 4>a number of AI demonstrations of late, where you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Google showed off an example of people taking pictures of

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<v Speaker 4>their you know, refrigerator and then asking an artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 4>to make recipes, you know, based on what the system

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<v Speaker 4>sees in your refrigerator. So you know, you can see

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<v Speaker 4>some applications there. But yeah, it's all over the place,

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<v Speaker 4>and sometimes it describes a very advanced technology. Sometimes it

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<v Speaker 4>really does not, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, let's go back decades ago when IBM created Watson,

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<v Speaker 2>that computer that played chess, and it beat Kasparov, the

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<v Speaker 2>world's number one rated chess player, and it was able

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<v Speaker 1>It was learning quote chess as it was playing.

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<v Speaker 2>If it has access the same computer having access to

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet, which means every book ever written about chess,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>An unbeatable product.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you extrapolate that you're talking about at some

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<v Speaker 2>point it's never going to be wrong. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to comment on that, and let's go to how it's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with glue on pizza.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the perfect extrapulation is exactly what IBM

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<v Speaker 4>did with Watson next, which was put it on Jeopardy, right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the next level of like expertise, isn't playing

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<v Speaker 4>one specific game, it's playing trivia where you have to

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<v Speaker 4>It won like nobody else had won before. It beat

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<v Speaker 4>some of the major champions of Jeopardy, including Ken Jennings.

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<v Speaker 4>So IBM, you know, has seen a lot of success

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<v Speaker 4>with Watson. However, you know, I don't want to overstate

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<v Speaker 4>what these systems can do. They are consistently wrong about

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<v Speaker 4>a number of things. As we mentioned with search GPT,

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<v Speaker 4>which again is open AI's latest product, a search engine

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<v Speaker 4>competitor in its own promotional video it got something wrong, right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, this is something that has continued to dog

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<v Speaker 4>the industry, and the reason is the training data that

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<v Speaker 4>to be a huge volume of it, and that creates

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<v Speaker 4>this incentive for these AI companies to go looking in

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<v Speaker 4>kind of unusual place for that information. Chat GPT search

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<v Speaker 4>GPT are trained on everything from academic papers and newspapers

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<v Speaker 4>legitimates forms of information to less legitimate forms of information,

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<v Speaker 4>things like Facebook and Reddit comments. When Google told users

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<v Speaker 4>to put glue on pizza, researchers traced that erroneous and

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<v Speaker 4>wrong response back to a more than ten year old

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<v Speaker 4>comment on Reddit, which was itself a joke. So these

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<v Speaker 4>systems get things wrong, and that is something that the

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<v Speaker 4>AI industry has not solved yet. So that is something

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<v Speaker 4>that CHATGPT kind of or excuse me, open ai needs

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<v Speaker 4>rollout of its new search engine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm assuming if based on that story, to

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<v Speaker 2>your point, is it ever going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>tell when someone is joking not or not. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I'm joking and it always runs flat.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't laugh, and they just think I'm a moron.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I know I'm joking.

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<v Speaker 2>How is a computer program ever going to be able

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<v Speaker 4>I think one of the wisest things that's been said

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<v Speaker 4>things that you know, the managerial class does, right, like

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<v Speaker 4>make decisions, weighing various numbers, various inputs and outputs, and

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<v Speaker 4>less good at doing the sort of more human tasks,

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<v Speaker 4>sort of understanding context, understanding humor, understanding sarcasm and satire.

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<v Speaker 4>That's difficult for these systems. It's sort of a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>more playful thing that we as humans do, but it

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<v Speaker 4>is something that's really difficult for a computer to wrap

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<v Speaker 4>its mind around. So, yeah, will it ever be able

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<v Speaker 4>to do that? I mean, I think that it's very

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<v Speaker 4>important to not overstate that that not treat this technology

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<v Speaker 4>as inevitable, in other words, because there are some real

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<v Speaker 4>questions about its future. There's been some very robust reporting

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<v Speaker 4>recently about open a financial situation. These systems require a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of energy, and a lot of capital in order

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<v Speaker 4>to run. So far, they have not proven their need

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<v Speaker 4>to exist in the first place, let alone whether they

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<v Speaker 4>are a world changing technology. So I think that there's

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<v Speaker 4>some real questions about the future of this industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike, thanks for taking the time. Always appreciated, of course.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys, take care all right.

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