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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Jill Politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined today with JT. Patten and Jack Murphy, our

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<v Speaker 1>deer leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Help.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone had a great Christmas and it is excited for

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<v Speaker 1>New Years. Uh, this one's gonna be about Venezuela and

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<v Speaker 1>what's going down there. I mean, we just found out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it just was confirmed and posted yesterday that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a drone strike. I wouldn't say it was

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<v Speaker 1>a port exactly. It was just like a place where

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<v Speaker 1>like they basically loaded unload drugs, supposing no casualties. It

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<v Speaker 1>happened I think like a week or so ago. President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump mentioned it like kind of ambiguously in in an interview,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, journalists started doing their jobs and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and uh, we got to confirmed yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a drone strike on land in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a little bit of a change to what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been seeing with like you know, massive military building

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<v Speaker 1>up and the drought and the strikes on boats in

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<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean and in the Pacific and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So JT, how you doing. What's your take on all this?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? Thanks for having me. Course, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it's a little bit of a joke, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily a joke for those that are getting smoked.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're definitely ramping up activity there in Venezuela, in

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<v Speaker 2>and around. But I'm not so sure that the narrative

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<v Speaker 2>still fits everything. I don't think, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think much has changed since about twenty ten when I

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<v Speaker 2>was covering this. I think even some I read something

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<v Speaker 2>the other day there was an interview by Marshall billings Late,

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<v Speaker 2>who's dealing with the Treasury right now. I remember like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten Marshall had my report. Actually I'm not knocking him,

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<v Speaker 2>and because I'm sure that Marshall doesn't usually do the

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<v Speaker 2>collection of intel and the analysis of it, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of people that give it to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that, you know, whether it's the drug cartels,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's the Hezbolah narrative, I think it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit overstated and largely you know, focused for regime change

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe even more so on natural resources, which as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the oil, you know, So it just just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of remarks out the gate to kind of show

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<v Speaker 2>where where it kind of where I stand.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't that seem to like contradict. Well, it's certainly some

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<v Speaker 3>of the statements that are d and I tools Gabbart

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<v Speaker 3>has made, But I mean even more so beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just, you know, it feels like some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>flashback getting into a regime change war based on false pretenses.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't we play this out about twenty years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we don't usually do real good job of

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<v Speaker 2>regime change. Regime change. I mean, if we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, here's the narrative. We want to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of cartels in and around the area. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of Hezbollah's influence. We want to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of the corruption and crime. All of those things happen

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<v Speaker 2>when you disrupt the government change er is regime without

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<v Speaker 2>having a full plan of what you're looking to do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is more of a depose the tyrant and seize

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<v Speaker 2>the oil fields and gather those around. And what happens

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<v Speaker 2>is then you've got this vacuum for the disruption of

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's going on over there, and it incites anything

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<v Speaker 2>that may be there into more more of a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus we're talking about you know, securing borders. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to send a whole bunch of Venezuelans then after that

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<v Speaker 2>out into the world and increasing a lot of those efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I think they don't have such

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<v Speaker 2>a such a great plan, and I'd be curious. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Fulca Gabbert, you know, where are they getting

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<v Speaker 2>the intel? The US hasn't had a lot of operations.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not speaking out turn here, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>been an unpervisive environment. Okay if you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>five eyes of who's actually been in Venezuela and able

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<v Speaker 2>to operate conduct intel operations Canada until I think the

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<v Speaker 2>last ten years, and the UK right now has has

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<v Speaker 2>allowed is allowed to have an embassy there. We have

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<v Speaker 2>not for years. So you've got you've have.

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<v Speaker 3>Any interestingly, just to interrupt from sorry JT. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard I've heard this from a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 3>working down there. We do maintain the embassy grounds in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not an official embassy. It's not opened, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's maintained and they're keeping it maintained because if things change,

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<v Speaker 3>we could be coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I think. I it's interesting. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>the UK definitely has the ability, you know from traditional

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<v Speaker 2>means of espionage and even just being there having the

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<v Speaker 2>most resources. And I think it was November they said

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<v Speaker 2>after you know, Trump was saying that, you know, the drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a lot of trafficking networks and stuff. Once

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<v Speaker 2>that was there there like we're out, We're not sharing

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<v Speaker 2>any more intel with you, because essentially that whole premise

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<v Speaker 2>of what we were going to do was going to

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of jack things up for them as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about this latest airstrike that d

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<v Speaker 3>was mentioning. We seem to have found out in the

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<v Speaker 3>news in the last twenty four hours that the drone

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<v Speaker 3>strike on this whatever embarkation facility in Venezuela was done

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<v Speaker 3>under Title fifty Covert Action Authorities by the CIA, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a new thing. The other strikes that have been

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<v Speaker 3>done in the Caribbean the Pacific, supposedly against drug boats

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<v Speaker 3>have been done by the Department of the Fan. I

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<v Speaker 3>think heavily, you know, heavy showing from Jaysack actually, but

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<v Speaker 3>this is the first one that has been done under

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<v Speaker 3>CIA authorities.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't I don't I should have taken a

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<v Speaker 2>look at the map of where that is beforehand before

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<v Speaker 2>it came on. But I let's break this down. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of drug running in the in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the world is coming from Venezuela. Okay, well one percent,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just the trafficking aspect of it. So you've

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<v Speaker 2>got ninety percent of drug trafficking in and around that

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<v Speaker 2>area that's not coming from that specific region. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>going you know, West Pacific, it's going east specific. Very

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<v Speaker 2>little is in the Eastern Caribbean. I think when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at that as a as a trafficking hub, there

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<v Speaker 2>used to be a statistic. I mean, I had it

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<v Speaker 2>in a report I don't know years back. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was twelve percent of cocaine trafficking proceeds we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to hez Blah in and around Venezuela. Okay. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking about one percent of that of that drug trafficking,

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<v Speaker 2>even you know, just holistically going out of that area,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're taking a small percentage of that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really not that profitable for hes Blah and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those individuals in there. So as a drug trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>hub and where this is launching from, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's I don't I don't see it as a as

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<v Speaker 2>a massive massive threat. So why why that? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't know, especially if if it's where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like the things they pronounced like yu or something area,

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<v Speaker 2>But that is where they had a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of the Muslim population of x Elebanese.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's an area where if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to poke around there and starting to do some strikes,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that is I mean, if you're worried about

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<v Speaker 2>increasing the capability of Hezbollah, I think ideologically probably just

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<v Speaker 2>inciting a little bit more of that area. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know more about where specifically that was and what the

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<v Speaker 2>auspices of that strike was? You know, given I think

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<v Speaker 2>the boat strikes and everything that was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a whole lot has come out. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>where have we gotten any location on that or anything?

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<v Speaker 5>D Uh from this article?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, there wasn't anything specific in there in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>where it was.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just looking double and back.

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<v Speaker 3>You knew something was up because Trump was being so

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<v Speaker 3>vague about it when he talked about this strike, because

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<v Speaker 3>if it was a d D strike, they'd just say

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<v Speaker 3>it was D O D. And then this one's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like I'm not gonna I'll say you who did it,

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<v Speaker 5>Strike, they would have had video on an urban on

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<v Speaker 5>social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Strike on a dock where the US supposed to believes

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<v Speaker 2>trend Urugua was there were there storing Okay, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>let's also put this in his perspective, that friend Aruga

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<v Speaker 2>and the the other little cartel that they were worried about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it pales in comparison to anything that the

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican cartels do. Now, a lot of those areas and

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<v Speaker 2>this is I think kind of interesting too. This is

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<v Speaker 2>where I'd be like totally on board. We're just fucking

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<v Speaker 2>with Iran because around those whole areas are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of oil refineries and shipping points for Iranian oil production

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<v Speaker 2>and transfers. Okay, I mean Iran and Venezuela were founding

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<v Speaker 2>members of OPEC in nineteen sixty. I guess it was.

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<v Speaker 2>So Iran has had a massive presence in and around

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<v Speaker 2>that area, especially around the oil refineries and production. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're also looking at a lot of the major

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<v Speaker 2>ports over there, it could also have like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a dual capability of just kind of hat you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're saying this under the auspices of drugs, but we

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<v Speaker 2>can find with your oil and oil shipments at any

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<v Speaker 2>point in time. I mean, for me, if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a strategic purpose and if you're united with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of other countries in that, I think that's pretty cool,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just to just to jack with them a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Maybe there's some type of disruption that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not privy to, but I think what's going on here,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think it's a it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a stretch, as you said, suggestive Jack.

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<v Speaker 5>So what happens now?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've had, you know, a huge build up

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<v Speaker 1>of military ad naval assets in the Caribbean for going

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of months. Now you've seen different like

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<v Speaker 1>numbers to like fifteen of the navy and stuff. Seems

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<v Speaker 1>like they keep taking stuff from into pay com, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I thought that was our focus. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, g Watt was over what happens now? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is this just a holding pattern? Is it to apply

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on medor to get out of Venezuela. There was

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<v Speaker 1>some chat about talks that they were having with Maduro

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, but he was asking for like him and

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<v Speaker 1>like a hundred people of his to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get out him, to have amnesty and all that our immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we look is this just like a big

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<v Speaker 1>bluff because it seems like.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe I don't know, and I don't again, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to tie to like a conspiracy theory and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to go against our own you know, politics right

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<v Speaker 2>now of saying, you know, they're completely off the wall

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<v Speaker 2>because they like they maybe may have agenda that that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know a lot. Let's let's think historically, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>during this escalation period of what things have been said

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<v Speaker 2>over the last year. Okay, one who want to take

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<v Speaker 2>over Greenland because they got resources? We want to invade

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<v Speaker 2>Canada and because they've got resources. Then again, I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's just kind of believe, but then you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>but if you are thinking of expanding, where can you

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<v Speaker 2>get a bunch of resources fast and everybody else is

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<v Speaker 2>turning you down? Who can you fuck with that? Really,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's going to fuck back with Venezuela. You know, they've

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<v Speaker 2>to do much. They don't really have a military presence

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<v Speaker 2>to do. They're not going to do a whole lot either.

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<v Speaker 2>Most other people are not going to get into a

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<v Speaker 2>and do it in such a way that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to disrupt a whole lot. Now, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Marguerite Island as being a this massive hezbola

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<v Speaker 2>bit of bullshit, because you had You've got three main

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<v Speaker 2>and then they control a lot of the trade. In

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<v Speaker 2>many cases they are involved with some of the corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot more trade based money laundry. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more profitable. I mean, instead of running a boat full

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<v Speaker 2>shipment of ladies panties that you are invoicing for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars that you got for one dollar, and you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>that profitability to launder money and get paid for the

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<v Speaker 2>laundering of that one years ago, and this is going

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<v Speaker 2>back into two again about twenty ten and we were

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<v Speaker 2>supporting DoD some opposite capabilities. We're looking at Margarita Island

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time, I don't know if you remember

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Raman who was isis involved individual he

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<v Speaker 2>had missed, He had disappeared from Iraq, was in Syria.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he ended up being killed in like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eleven in Pakistan. He was also with a guy named

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<v Speaker 2>Majub who is a Venezuelan businessman. So we had a

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<v Speaker 2>source that captured the picture of Margharita Island of him

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<v Speaker 2>getting on on on board. There was a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>some past sports. We had the capability to say that

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<v Speaker 2>he was there, and it was widely refuted throughout the community.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way that he would be there. Why the

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<v Speaker 2>hell would he be. Well, if you take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at that island and that family that owns it, that

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<v Speaker 2>the Klan, the Nasardine, Well, there was a guy Gazi

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<v Speaker 2>and Azardine, who was Venezuelan Lebanese born. He was the

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<v Speaker 2>diplomat in Syria at the time, so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people being flown back and forth through that through

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<v Speaker 2>the airlines to Venezuela, and I think the rhetoric was, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if he's there, then they're planning on hebela tax into

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<v Speaker 2>the US stuff, you know, via Isis and that bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>what ended up happening. If you think about that area,

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<v Speaker 2>they are known for passport forgery and allowing dual identification

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<v Speaker 2>for Hezbolah and another number of other groups whoever's willing

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<v Speaker 2>to pay. So essentially you're targeting this island which is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be this big training camp, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at it, I mean, he's probably like going out

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<v Speaker 2>to the Sarasota. There isn't that much. That's not how

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<v Speaker 2>Hezbola trains anyway, and it's pretty much just money laundering.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that you've got a sanctuary and you're able

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<v Speaker 2>to get a whole bunch of IDs, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of plays into I mean, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not so hard that you couldn't do surveillance and

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<v Speaker 2>see that there's nothing going there.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't like a battalion of guys doing fucking chin ups

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff malcy bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, well, I think that's you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's some of the narrative that we get caught up

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<v Speaker 2>into this this and and that narrative has persisted for decades. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people project an isis Gorilla model onto HeLa.

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<v Speaker 2>The media definitely simplifies presence into training camps. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're talking about real HESBLA operatives training there their

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<v Speaker 2>training and around uh Western tourists that are there and

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<v Speaker 2>in the damn casinos understanding the businesses. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>where anybody if they were doing any training, you'd be

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<v Speaker 2>getting that type of training. I think the intelligence and

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<v Speaker 2>set assessments a lot of times conflate facilitation with training,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the you know, the criminal and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in this case maybe political interests definitely benefit by some

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<v Speaker 2>of that is exaggeration. So I mean it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're dealing with networks, You're you're not dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>terrain situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've heard over the years some interesting stories about

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<v Speaker 3>Central America, like Panama comes to mind, and this was

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<v Speaker 3>a ways back where they were getting tips that there

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<v Speaker 3>were al Qaeda guys coming through Panama, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>that sends up some red flags when they looked at

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<v Speaker 3>it though they were using it as a vacation spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were doing some like light like fundraising, but

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't using it to plan external operations.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, well Panama is like a massive hub for

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<v Speaker 1>UH money laundering and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that in most of those cases, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need a state to be operating from. You just

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<v Speaker 2>need a place where you have permission to be in

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<v Speaker 2>someplace that's going to cover up where you are, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not going to you know, it's going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you some financial opacity, you're going to get some political protection,

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<v Speaker 2>you may have some ideological alignment in some of those

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<v Speaker 2>small communities there, and it's going to give you the

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of movement. I think what's also kind of interesting

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<v Speaker 2>when they always try to link a lot of Lebanese

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<v Speaker 2>in and around those areas, a lot of those people

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<v Speaker 2>are Marinite Christians. So you probably have maybe ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>of those Lebanes out there that are even Muslim she is,

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<v Speaker 2>But yet they're all operating together in these networks. Why

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<v Speaker 2>because they're just making money. They're not looking to bomb something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and send in a whole bunch of armies.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are facilitators, and many of them are very

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<v Speaker 2>high ranking ranking, not in like his blat membership, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the political scheme. So when you think about deposing

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<v Speaker 2>a government and they're talking about Maduro having maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people, I mean, these are people that have access

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of the moneies, a lot of the trades,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the businesses. I think what we

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<v Speaker 2>find is kind of interesting is to see which one

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<v Speaker 2>of those we allow, because as of about ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago, some of those people had some massive

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<v Speaker 2>force farms in Kentucky, massive mansions in Florida, They had

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<v Speaker 2>political connections to our own people. So, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it'll be interesting to see who they go after

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<v Speaker 2>and who they don't, because there's a lot of Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 2>money tied into the US and into some of the

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<v Speaker 2>fundraising of political campaigns because they're just part of that fabric.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't live in them as waala necessarily, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>got massive yachts that are going back and forth. So

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to see how it aligns and which

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<v Speaker 2>which political party maybe they've donated to to see. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>who you go after and who you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You make them sound like Russian oil olive arcs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in a lot of ways they are. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just that they're hanging out in Miami. Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>they both are. You know, they probably have some common interest,

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<v Speaker 2>but but you know, there there are they're they're involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the in equestrian sale of horses and

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<v Speaker 2>to the millions. I mean, these are high rollers that

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<v Speaker 2>are interacting with people. So it would be very embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at the time when we're looking at kadievi Permuto,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you know, somehow, some way Medoo is thrown out,

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<v Speaker 1>What does it look like in terms of what comes next?

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<v Speaker 1>Does what's the Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Machado right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's going to take more than the US and

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<v Speaker 2>change the regime and get rid of the corruption. That

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<v Speaker 2>going to do on the humanitarian standpoint to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the financial reserves. The biggest thing that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>petro industry there. I mean that is massive commerce, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a lot of corruption there. So if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to snip off Iran's involvement, maybe Russian involvement, some

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<v Speaker 2>that we probably don't have as much interest in reforming

420
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the country as we might seizing some of the assets

421
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.039
<v Speaker 2>and then kind of backing off and letting somebody else in.

422
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<v Speaker 1>Super interesting because back in two thousand and two, two

423
00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:58.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, you know, we never really talked about

424
00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.039
<v Speaker 1>oil as a thing that we wanted right or wanted

425
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>at least control of, And now it just seems like, no, yeah,

426
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 1>we want the oil, we want the resources, and that's

427
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:11.319
<v Speaker 1>why we're doing this.

428
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 2>If yeah, I mean, you'd have to what conversations would

429
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 2>we be having with Columbia, What conversations are we having

430
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>with Brazil, with you know, the general Caribbean about what

431
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>restabilization looks like. A nation building looks like you're going

432
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>to have. You've got no shared customs databases they're set up.

433
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 2>You've got you know, no maritime patrol cooperations set up.

434
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 2>So I think if you're looking at filling vacuums or

435
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:54.640
<v Speaker 2>how to prevent something that's filling vacuum bypassing sanctions getting paid,

436
00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think I think what you're hearing is

437
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 2>actual let's let's let's get get that and let them

438
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.400
<v Speaker 2>figure out their own country, you know, put somebody in

439
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:09.599
<v Speaker 2>there say it's just and then they can handle themselves.

440
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's pretty much the rhetoric that we

441
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.599
<v Speaker 2>normally hear from this administration is that's really not our problem,

442
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 2>but this was ours, so we'll we'll get this back.

443
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they owe us for all the sanctions that

444
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>they've evade, so we come up with the math of

445
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>twelve refineries.

446
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 3>I've said this before, Scott, and I mean, I don't

447
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.319
<v Speaker 3>know what your opinion is, but I really feel like

448
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.079
<v Speaker 3>the stuff with Venezuela also us like starting food fights

449
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 3>with like you know, Denmark over Greenland and things like this.

450
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.359
<v Speaker 3>It feels like we have done the math on bigger problems,

451
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:49.799
<v Speaker 3>real problems China, Iran, Russia, and we've concluded, well, America

452
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 3>really can't do too much there. If we do, it'll

453
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 3>have a tremendous amount of blood and treasure will have

454
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.200
<v Speaker 3>to be spent. And so we're like going after like

455
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the low hanging fruit, like beating up on you know,

456
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 3>our allies sometimes or just people who are paining the

457
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.279
<v Speaker 3>ass like Maduro as a kind of like compensation of like,

458
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.519
<v Speaker 3>look I did something.

459
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, we're kind of the kind of the

460
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Speaker 2>lunch room dick, you know, let's let's let's shake down

461
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 2>the weak people. The ones that we're okay with are

462
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.799
<v Speaker 2>just like, you're an asshole. I'm just not going to

463
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>deal with you right now. You piss off somebody here,

464
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 2>you piss off somebody there. You don't care about the ramifications.

465
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>I just think that we would be I guess it's

466
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>okay to walk with a big stick, but be aware

467
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 2>of who else you're pissing off and what those ramifications are.

468
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't have a problem if it was

469
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>in our strategic interest to seize oil feelings, claim territory.

470
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, if that's what we want to do,

471
00:27:57.799 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's what we want to be, but you can't

472
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>do it isolation, and you can't do it without those

473
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 2>second and third order effect understanding of what that's going

474
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 2>to happen. And I don't know that we necessarily consider

475
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 2>those second and third order of I mean, just as

476
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.599
<v Speaker 2>something as simple as just, you know, it's holiday season,

477
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 2>just sitting on my couch half the time, just you know,

478
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Speaker 2>should be writing. But I'm looking at tiktoks and looking

479
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>at it Instagram stuff, and I'm seeing how many of

480
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 2>these distilleries are closing up and affected because of what

481
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.880
<v Speaker 2>happened with Canada and now Canada, you know, because of

482
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the tariffs that took miss out. Okay, now you've got

483
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 2>the same thing happening with some farmers. You're you're looking

484
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 2>at a lot of different things where you're spinning the

485
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>rhetoric of what it's going to do, but the actual

486
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.119
<v Speaker 2>how it's going to impact things ends up being much

487
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 2>worse in most cases. And I think that that, you know,

488
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Venezuela's just yet another example of Okay, you know we're

489
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 2>gonna blow up a boat. Yes, I mean sure, there's

490
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be some rules of engagement that that's done. Again,

491
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>not my problem, not going to harp on that, because

492
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 2>it's written in law what you can and can't do.

493
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>But you're talking about maybe you know, three five, one

494
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>hundred people right there, but what is that? What are

495
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 2>you really trying to achieve? And you're spinning this as

496
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.759
<v Speaker 2>a major problem, but yet anybody should be reading to

497
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>understand that that's not a massive problem. If you really

498
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>want to address that drug problem, it's got to be

499
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>someplace us, if you're really looking at it from the

500
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>international lens of saying, you know, guys, we've tried, we've

501
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 2>tried to sanction Venezuela. We've tried to sanction Iran, they

502
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 2>haven't done anything. What we're going to do. We're going

503
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>to take an oil vessel because that's due to us. Okay,

504
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>we all agree that we could sanction this. That's what

505
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>we're going to do. We're going to take this. I

506
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>think that makes a lot more sense on the world stage. Then. Fully, shit,

507
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>we got fentanyl coming into our country, and so we're

508
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.319
<v Speaker 2>going to blow up a bunch of these boats, kill

509
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of these peop people. We're gonna have some

510
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>air strikes on their main line because it's it's a problem.

511
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Everybody else but us realizes that that's not a mess problem.

512
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we've done a really tough job in

513
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.319
<v Speaker 1>the media and everywhere else, the people that know what

514
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about basically trying to uh explain what the

515
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>fuck it is we're doing there. And frankly, like John

516
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Q Public me being one of them, we I don't

517
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>give a fine fuck what goes down in Venezuela. Gonna

518
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 1>be honest, right, like, is that gonna help my freedom

519
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>or my pocket my pocketbook or my bottom line? No,

520
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, and if you really even look at it,

521
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, there's no fent at all coming in

522
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 1>from Venezuela. Most of the most of the precursors come

523
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 1>from China. It's like, and most of it comes in

524
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the bulk of the drugs that come in from Mexico.

525
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>So are we saying we're gonna do this to Mexico too?

526
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 5>Is that the move? Like, no, We're not gonna do

527
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.440
<v Speaker 5>that shit. Like so it just seems like this, like.

528
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>This just side quest for what reason. I have no

529
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 1>fucking clue. And like you look at the new national

530
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>security strategy, you know, focusing more on like the region

531
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>and Central and South America and our hemisphere, and it's

532
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>like you said, JT, it's like more like, yeah, we're

533
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna bully around the people we know we can bully

534
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>without there even being any issue whatsoever, because you see,

535
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of backing away from like our traditional allies

536
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>with Europe. There's a clear enemy in Europe and that's Russia,

537
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and we're just letting them do whatever they want. And

538
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, yeah, let's just bully the people we

539
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>can bully, you know, Like that's easy. It's not gonna

540
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>be that much of bandwidth taken up and we could

541
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>post videos on social media of US being the dominant

542
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>US military that's stopping the drug trade the eight percent

543
00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>of the drugs that come from Venezuela without anything fucking changing.

544
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I would respect a lot more if again,

545
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, we we said these are these are the

546
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>reasons that we're doing this, and by deposing their leader,

547
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 2>we have the international back. But and this is what

548
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>we're communicating to the press, is we recognize in the

549
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>short term that area is going to have an increase

550
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>in violent crime. We know they're going to have an

551
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>increase in smuggle we know there's going to be an

552
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>increase in drug transit. We know there's gonna be more

553
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>money laundering, we know that there's gonna be more immigrants

554
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 2>coming to the US. And of those those areas, there's

555
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a fragmentation of our groups and an opportunistic

556
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>cartel expansion. But this is our plan on how to

557
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>deal with this, and I think that makes a lot

558
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>more sense, especially if you are going to say, yeah,

559
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 2>we're going to send a bunch of troops also down there.

560
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, my friend was remarking about, you know, in

561
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine when we went took over Panama, there's

562
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Operation just Cause, and he was joking that this time

563
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be called Operation just because. I don't know.

564
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who's I don't know who's doing, you know,

565
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the planning. I don't know who's who's doing some of

566
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 2>the the understanding of stabilization, and you know, how you're

567
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>going to deal with entrenchment of criminal governance that might

568
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>persist in there. I mean, those are the type of

569
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.759
<v Speaker 2>things that you know, usually if you're going to disrupt something,

570
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>you should you should have a good plan. I do.

571
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I will have to ask to

572
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 3>see something may have changed very recently. But up until

573
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 3>very recently, when I've asked people in the special operations community,

574
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 3>they say that they have contingency plans, you know, that

575
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 3>are on the books, you know, collecting dusts like they

576
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 3>do for many things. But they're like, no one's actively

577
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 3>planning for Venezuela, Like that's not a thing we're doing

578
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 3>unless they're all b asking me. There's there isn't like

579
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 3>a planning cell that's like trying to put something together

580
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:06.960
<v Speaker 3>right now.

581
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>No, And it's I mean, look, it's not sexually work.

582
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>That's how I got That's how I got involved with

583
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:20.159
<v Speaker 2>covering Venezuela decades ago now because at the time I

584
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>when they were looking for us, I'm a Binlat. I

585
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>was assigned to looking for him, you know, not physically

586
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>being there in Iran. And that's how I understood all

587
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 2>of the the bonnyards and kind of mapping out on

588
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the social structures that then took me to Hezblat and

589
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I got an understanding of that. So when somebody said,

590
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>when we got a tasking of a few different areas

591
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 2>and somebody's like, who understands Venezuela and what is going

592
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>to focus on that, you kind of look around the

593
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.159
<v Speaker 2>room and nobody's raising their hand because they didn't understand

594
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 2>and who gives care about Venezuela. So I'm like, well,

595
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>if everybody's gonna be fighting for these other things, I'm

596
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna raise my hand because I actually know that Iran

597
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>is going to be in so let's see what we

598
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>can dig around. So I knew nothing about it, and

599
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>then you know, two years later, I knew everything you

600
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.960
<v Speaker 2>never wanted to know about. Venezuela has a lot I

601
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 2>ran and all the cartels kind of coming together and

602
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>then the banking things. But just because there are links

603
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that there's strong links and there are bigger

604
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>fish out there, which again kind of goes to the

605
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 2>whole idea of why people don't care about Venezuela. And

606
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Speaker 2>if you dealt with Sock South, if you dealt with SOCOM,

607
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 2>if you dealt with Jaysock, you've dealt with the agencies.

608
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they didn't care that much. And again because

609
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you didn't have that much ability to operate, we didn't

610
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>have that much intel. So even if we have something

611
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>on the shelf, that is so going to change, especially

612
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 2>when you're dealing with what Venezuela actually is, which is

613
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>logistics and the financial platform, that changes vastly. And so

614
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 2>if we're thinking about Venezuela having weak institution, uh, military,

615
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 2>militarized corruption, uh, the illicit gold become, you know, the

616
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>shadow trade that goes into you know, the sanctions and

617
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 2>the various routes. Those things all have to be considerations

618
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>and every time that they're disrupted, they change. So you

619
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 2>have to have intel on those and you have to

620
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>have current intel so that you can fix your books.

621
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Who's got that? Do you k are they sharing it

622
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.119
<v Speaker 2>with us. No, so where we getting that intel? We

623
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>don't have it.

624
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting that like these sort of like Hezbalad nexus

625
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 3>in this part of the world has been like a

626
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 3>hobby horse of General Flynn, going all the way back

627
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<v Speaker 3>to his d I A days.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just interesting that this sort of thought process is

630
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 3>still sort of haunting us. At least when I've talked

631
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.000
<v Speaker 3>to people, they've said, We've looked and looked and looked,

632
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 3>but we can't find this has Bolah threat to America

633
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<v Speaker 3>emanating from South America.

634
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<v Speaker 2>No, And I mean, look, let's church here a little bit.

635
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 2>You had a migration wave that happened in the early

636
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundreds from Lebanon to Venezuela. Okay. Then you had

637
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:23.119
<v Speaker 2>another wave that came around nineteen fifties and seventies. Okay,

638
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I won't say they didn't assimilate, but they went to

639
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>their pockets. You know, that's how immigration went, you pockets.

640
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>And again these are merinite Christians phredominantly. And then in

641
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 2>the fifties and seventies you had yet another wave. A

642
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of those cases you're demonizing people because they have

643
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 2>some different beliefs, different cultural beliefs, and I think that

644
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:57.800
<v Speaker 2>as they started assimilating into the communities, into politics, into commerce,

645
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:03.360
<v Speaker 2>their status rose. They became the haves versus the have

646
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>nots or the have lessons, and the have lessons thought

647
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>it was very easy to, I think, demonize them in

648
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>many ways and say, you got all these fucking Arabs

649
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>running around, what does Arabs translate to you Muslims? Okay,

650
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>but they did. They cast it in the reciprocal of

651
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it not being like ten percent of the population being Muslim,

652
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>it made it like ninety percent, which was the Christians

653
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>to demonize that and create that. Yes there are hes

654
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of rocks. Yes there are family ties, but

655
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>it's more like old Italian mafia where just had you

656
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 2>had networks of these families to do better for the diaspora,

657
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that was first and foremost in many of these families,

658
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Lebanese first, okay. And you got to make your money,

659
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.559
<v Speaker 2>and you've got to because there's so much corruption in

660
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the area. You've got to tighten it so that you

661
00:38:56.039 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>keep dash it, so that you keep everything together, and

662
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.159
<v Speaker 2>you keep that money insolent, and you keep the power

663
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.159
<v Speaker 2>continue to go and you keep you know, mixing with

664
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 2>other tribes, other or clans, other families and things like that.

665
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 2>So I think that a lot of anybody that used

666
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>to have something doesn't have it now is going to

667
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>talk about somebody in a bad light if you can

668
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>get them out of there and or you know, demonize them.

669
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>And I and so whether it's Flynn, who again I

670
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>really used to respect him on the intel side and

671
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I and I thought that he gave some of that

672
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 2>rigor to the intelligence analysis that was going. But I

673
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>don't think I think that you know as much as

674
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>often as the case, especially in the operations community, you

675
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 2>can have you know, the book readers passing up the

676
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 2>intel as much as you might have. But if someone's

677
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>like mm hm, like that's telling me no, okay, okay,

678
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 2>your gut's telling you so, and my Thatt's going to

679
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 2>tell me how we rebuild this, you know, And that's

680
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the problem is we're dealing with too many guts and

681
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>hunches and thoughts versus you know, the actual resources to

682
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 2>understand how that all fits together.

683
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Shall Lobby Part two?

684
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Right? I mean, Jack, you and I years ago, I

685
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>think we're talking about Confessions of an Economic Kidman.

686
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, book, awesome book, because that is how old

687
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.159
<v Speaker 6>school espionage and if you're really going to break down

688
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.760
<v Speaker 6>a nation and rebuild it or just you know, let

689
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 6>it get fucked up and then let somebody else come

690
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 6>into a power vacuum, that's how you do it.

691
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 2>But you've got to have it with like real economists,

692
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 2>real social scientists, political experts. I mean, that's that's how

693
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 2>you create these vacuums. Or that's how you disrupt something

694
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 2>and then put it into your own pocket. But you

695
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>do it with international law, you do it with banking law,

696
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>you do it with organized structures that you don't disrupt

697
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 2>things which pisses off other countries. That's how you can

698
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 2>do it on this life. That's all. We could do

699
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>it with Venezuela still, but you don't do it this way.

700
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that kind of what we have been doing with

701
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Venezuela over the last like since Hugo Chavis. You know,

702
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>like sanctions and you know they don't really have a

703
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 1>ton of the economic like latitude really right with sanctions

704
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, like we are trying to limit

705
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 1>their economy and doing a pretty good job.

706
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 5>I would say at it.

707
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think a lot of times sanctions are used

708
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 2>as a hammer, and I don't think that they're used

709
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 2>as so much of a guide. And I think sometimes

710
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>you take that the low hanging fruit, which are often

711
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, high up people, and you'll target them and

712
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 2>you'll say, okay, you're we're sanctioning you, but not understanding

713
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the layers underneath them that allows them to evade the sanctions.

714
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 2>And in many cases, I think we do know that,

715
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.079
<v Speaker 2>so the sanctions that we put on don't necessarily have

716
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 2>tea or you would be doing it in a different way,

717
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 2>targeting different groups, truly disrupting things. You wouldn't allow funds

718
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>to exist. I mean, let's if you again, I don't

719
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I know that most of your people aren't going to

720
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 2>give a shit about listening to banking operations here. But

721
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:24.039
<v Speaker 2>banking money transfers between institutions can be stopped with sanctions.

722
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot that you allow to go on

723
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>and from Venezuela because that money goes into different people's

724
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>pockets that you want to keep. So you really don't

725
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>put a hard sanction. It's it's kind of a soft

726
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>sanction where it's like, yeah, you're rere labeling you and

727
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe you can't go to Switzerland and get open up

728
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a bank account, you know, under your true name, but

729
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 2>you can you can still have have your your your

730
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 2>finances facilitated. So so no, I don't. I don't think

731
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that we've do a real good job of really harnessing

732
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 2>them and then putting the squeeze on. And a lot

733
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of times to do that, you have to have international

734
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 2>consensus with other people to do it. You can't do

735
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>it on your own because all of a sudden they're like,

736
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 2>well fuck the US, they said, I can't do it,

737
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 2>but I can do it with the rest of the world.

738
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you think China would have an issue with what

739
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 1>we're doing. I mean because you know, leaving the tank

740
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the tanks that we snatched was Chinese oil,

741
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>all right, Uh, I don't know, and what like how

742
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>deep China is involved with Venezuela. Can you give us

743
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit of insight on that.

744
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 2>No, not, because I don't want to. I don't know.

745
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that much about it. And how they

746
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 2>are I notice in some of the talie ins between countries,

747
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know politically psychologically, how they react and

748
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>what levers that they pull. I just don't know. Enough

749
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 2>about them. I my my my gut without being informed

750
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 2>by by the information knowledge is they probably have different

751
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 2>ways around things. Also because I do believe in many

752
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 2>cases they're probably smarter and more well equipped to operate

753
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 2>on different levels and dimensions of things than can. We

754
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>probably give them credit for or the people that understand

755
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 2>it and give credit. Maybe it doesn't go up. So

756
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I I guess my gut again. Yeah,

757
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>just just talking out of my ass would be they're

758
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>probably looking if this is stopped, they'll probably figure out

759
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>another way around it. Yeah, but I don't know what

760
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.400
<v Speaker 2>type of pressure they really would where they focus in

761
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 2>another way and we're just too stupid to realize it.

762
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So what happens next? I want some speculation. What's your

763
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:55.360
<v Speaker 1>gut value?

764
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that we would continue some of the bullying

765
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.039
<v Speaker 2>for the for maybe the next six months, maybe a

766
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.440
<v Speaker 2>few more strikes. I would say, if the international community

767
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 2>pushes back on US hard in such a way that

768
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:20.719
<v Speaker 2>they also almost sanction US or create some economic lovers

769
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 2>to punish US for some of these things, I think

770
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 2>we'll continue doing it. But I think if they wanted

771
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to slow US, I think we would back down. If

772
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 2>if it was something really impactful and things that the

773
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 2>news coverage would glom onto and at the general public

774
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>would glom onto and say, we're we're now getting screwed

775
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>because of this. Cut it out if we can get

776
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 2>some justification, and I would, I would if we really

777
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:54.519
<v Speaker 2>want it for the purposes of Iranian disruption. I think

778
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 2>we got to go back to our own friends. I

779
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>think we got to work with Canada. I think we

780
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>got to work with the UK and understand what those

781
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:04.320
<v Speaker 2>impacts are. And I think we need to stop talking

782
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>about the stupid Narco ship. Okay, if we really talk

783
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>about it from the standpoint of corruption, international trade that's

784
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 2>being disrupted, instability. I think those are legitimate things that

785
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.320
<v Speaker 2>other people would rally. I mean the UK was not

786
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 2>disputing corruption, you know, the financial crime, sanction breaking. I

787
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 2>mean those are things that they would rally behind. I mean,

788
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 2>if we did decide, you know, we're open to other people.

789
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Plus I could see that I don't see anybody else

790
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 2>in the community getting involved like Iran. You know, what

791
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 2>are they going to really do? I don't see China

792
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>or Russia really doing much of anything. I think that

793
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.519
<v Speaker 2>if they're really looking to seize this and claim that

794
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>they can't. I think if they do do it, If

795
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.679
<v Speaker 2>they do Seese oil fields and they do start doing

796
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be more of a robbery

797
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 2>than anything else, because I do not believe they have

798
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the people to put into place to fix the refineries,

799
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 2>to fix that business. I mean, right now, it's some old,

800
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>antiquated systems. We've got better technology than Iran for a

801
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of this. If we went in there with a

802
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.119
<v Speaker 2>business purpose, together with the UK and said, hey, you

803
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>guys have this problem because of sanctions. We're going to

804
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>get involved, but we're going to bring in new technology.

805
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>We're going to allow you to have more jobs. We're

806
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 2>going to expand this. Yes we want a part of it,

807
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 2>but we're going to help your community. I think that

808
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 2>would be a whole lot better. And oh, by the way,

809
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>we gave you to president and she's on board two.

810
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I think if that happened, I do think Maduro is

811
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>probably in the next year, are going to leave. I

812
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.599
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's going to be forceful. I think will

813
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 2>negotiate that. Where he goes, I don't know, but I

814
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 2>think he would get most prony's I'm sorry.

815
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Cuba, that's where he's going.

816
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Cuba could be next for us too.

817
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I was going to say Cuba's on the list, bro, so.

818
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:00.119
<v Speaker 2>It may be. It may be a short though, so

819
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>does China. Yeah, I don't think we can poke that one,

820
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. This was kind of fun I had.

821
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've got this series of these military thrillers,

822
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 2>and some years back I had written about Venezuela, written

823
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.639
<v Speaker 2>about the he Bala thing and the Iran stuff, and

824
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 2>so it's kind of fun to see this kind of

825
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>coming to fruitional where it's like, Okay, some of the

826
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 2>things we talked about are now coming to light. Because

827
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I tried to pick something that was a little bit less,

828
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, overdone, and the agency and DoD didn't have

829
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>much problem with what I had, especially with a lot

830
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 2>of stuff I had about Marguerite Island just being you know,

831
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>bullshit and stuff. None of that was redacted, so that

832
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<v Speaker 2>also kind of gives me an idea and half that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that they don't know, don't care about. So the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we're glombing onto now saying it's it's so secret,

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<v Speaker 2>we just can't even share any of as shit bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to write a book.

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<v Speaker 3>About Yeah, JT. I mean, you've written out a whole

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<v Speaker 3>series of really good novels. Anything you want to announce

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<v Speaker 3>the folks out there about the future. You know, your

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<v Speaker 3>big thing is the TFO series, right, what the protagonist.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what Drake Yeah, Drake wol Yeah yeah, asot guy

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<v Speaker 2>moved into TFO intelligence sport activity but you know old

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<v Speaker 2>name TFO. No. I've been slow because, honestly, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it's because I write some more so much of these

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of esoteric things that most people don't know about,

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about that They're probably like, I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy it. So I'm still trying to continue

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<v Speaker 2>the series. I think I think it's fun because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think a lot of folks know much about those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think now with technology the way it is and

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<v Speaker 2>understanding surveillance and how we do things and disrupting it,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty cool. I just haven't gotten the traction,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's you kind of look at it and think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I could write more books, But am I doing it myself? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I can, but I can to be doing more fun

856
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<v Speaker 2>things like scuba diving and fishing with my money than

857
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<v Speaker 2>just putting more books out there that nobody's really looking

858
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<v Speaker 2>to buy. So I don't think I've got more than

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<v Speaker 2>about ten thousand typical readers on it, but if there

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<v Speaker 2>was the interest, yeah, I would definitely continue it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that I have now been out of the cleared

862
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<v Speaker 2>space for enough time where I think the agency and

863
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.920
<v Speaker 2>DoD is getting to be a lot easier on me

864
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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the stuff that I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it truly is fiction and so that's coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still, you know, am an intel guy at art,

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<v Speaker 2>so I could research the shit out of it and

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<v Speaker 2>create something that is feasible, plausible, And I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was like that they used to ding me for analytical inferences.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that I've had more time out, it's easier

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to put those things together. So I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to continue the series I've been writing on one

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<v Speaker 2>I'll send me and I think that you know, could

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of interesting when it when it comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>but but we'll see. But yeah, definitely helps if if

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<v Speaker 2>folks read more and buy more, I can write more.

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<v Speaker 3>Where can people go to find your books?

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon? Door stops, it's uh and I think you get them.

879
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.320
<v Speaker 2>You pretty much get him in audio, print and uh

880
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and in digital. I've got the Horror series out folks

881
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.760
<v Speaker 2>that like New Orleans. I had to take a little

882
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<v Speaker 2>break for a while when they weren't as happy with

883
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 2>me doing some things. I created another like Alzheimer's book,

884
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Alzheimer's Horror, Psychological Horror, that was kind of got to

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<v Speaker 2>this Nordic spin this year, I called the weavers Web,

886
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.760
<v Speaker 2>but thinks of putting a pin on that one and

887
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>getting back into a little bit more of the the

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<v Speaker 2>Opposente Intel things.

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<v Speaker 3>You're also our black market giraffe dealer.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're the originator.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude, I so wish that Grange would have said something.

892
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.519
<v Speaker 3>About that, but I would I should have asked him.

893
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I forgot that was recorded, and so

894
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<v Speaker 2>I was like binging, I'm like what I saw, and

895
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, ask him about the giraffes. Yeah, and

896
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 2>we had some good times.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so JT, how much is a baby giraffe going

898
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 5>for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember now, I always have to look back, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're getting They were getting in the thousands. So

901
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, for those that don't know about this, I

902
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.639
<v Speaker 2>had come. I had done a financial crime investigations company

903
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and UH and Grain should sent me out there. This

904
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>was when we were you know, in the commercial business.

905
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 2>And then after a while, courts pointed Range to take

906
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 2>over the the uh the court rulings and and we

907
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of ran and you know, kind of ran that

908
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 2>company for a little bit. And there was a guy

909
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 2>named doctor Brown and and so if you look under

910
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Houston and doctor Brown and some things, that's where you know,

911
00:52:56.920 --> 00:53:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the guy had like a compound animals when his estate

912
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.679
<v Speaker 2>was going down. I mean, he was complicit in a

913
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that they found too. And so we're

914
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to save the company where a lot of people

915
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>were actually working and there were some really good things happening,

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00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's where it involved selling so wild and not

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00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.400
<v Speaker 2>as you meat it was. They're trying to do good things,

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00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.199
<v Speaker 2>but we also ran into the Russians and drugs and

919
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:26.079
<v Speaker 2>guns and all kinds of stuff. So cool little gig

920
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 2>for about a year.

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<v Speaker 5>It's wild, guys. Check out JT's books there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have links in the description as well, UH and

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<v Speaker 1>your website to UH wolf house dot com. That link

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<v Speaker 1>will be in the description there as well. Check them

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<v Speaker 1>out it's a great book series. Also, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to know more about JT, he did a Team House episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be now four or five years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll throw a link there down in the description as well. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is awesome, Jack. You got anything to add?

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<v Speaker 2>Jack?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the high Side he's a high you know,

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<v Speaker 1>high falutin writer, journalist and stuff like that. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a new book coming out in June, very exciting. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>put a link to the description down in the I'll

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<v Speaker 1>put a link down in the description for The High

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<v Speaker 1>Side and for the new book that's coming out. So

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<v Speaker 1>check them out there and do us a favorite support

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<v Speaker 1>dot com slash the Teamhouse. Thank you, guys, a pleasure. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be here, take care. Thanks guys.

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