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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A here at proven Winter's

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<v Speaker 1>Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube and radio show with Stacey Hervella, me, Rick Weist,

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<v Speaker 1>and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, we

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<v Speaker 1>get to talk today about a subject that's near and

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<v Speaker 1>dear to my heart. Spring ephemerals merge, bloom and produce

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<v Speaker 1>seeds during a narrow window between the snow melt and

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<v Speaker 1>when the trees leaf out and then die back. By

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<v Speaker 1>early to midsummer they're gone. They just kind of hang

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<v Speaker 1>out the rest of the year, out of sight, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many wonderful We can loosely term them wildflowers,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna call them spring ephemerals. Here today, gone tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's something I look forward to every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, it is one of the most amazing experiences I

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<v Speaker 2>think that people can have. It's like you go into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods one day and everything is brown, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you go in the next and everything is green, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just one of those blink and you'll miss it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of moments, and it can be so spectacular, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it can be so inspiring for gardeners as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about, you know, going out now. For me,

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<v Speaker 2>it is actually going out and see how many species

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<v Speaker 2>I can see, because I do love that. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>also just about the inspiration and the magic of spring.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect description magic.

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<v Speaker 2>It is magic.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also like the way you say everything's brown

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<v Speaker 1>and then they emerge because you have oak leaves and

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<v Speaker 1>beech tree leaves that are on the forest floor. All

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden things like trout lilies and trilliums appear

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<v Speaker 1>and it lifts your spirits. And this is a real

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<v Speaker 1>personal thing for me. Let me share something personally with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is number one. You know me, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not like winter. I know people have winter festivals, they

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<v Speaker 1>love skiing, they make snowmen, they have hot chocolate, they

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<v Speaker 1>love the season. Great, more power to you. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it. I'm always thankful when the month of April

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<v Speaker 1>comes along. Another personal point, Stacey is there was a

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<v Speaker 1>point in my life where I went through a real

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<v Speaker 1>rough patch. And when we go through a rough patch,

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<v Speaker 1>we do things to try and cope with that period

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<v Speaker 1>of time. For me, it was running, and so after

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<v Speaker 1>work every night I would run ten miles, five miles out,

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<v Speaker 1>five miles back on the trail. This trail was lined

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<v Speaker 1>with marsh marigolds, trilliums, trout lilies, all kinds of these

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<v Speaker 1>spring ephemerals. And I'll never forget it. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, we have a picture to share on our

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube video. It just was, like you said, magical for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It lifted my spirits.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does. It's so inspiring. And I think you

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people here in Michigan. I know

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<v Speaker 2>we have listeners from all over the country and in

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<v Speaker 2>Canada and actually around the world. But you know, here

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<v Speaker 2>in Southeaster, in Michigan in general, you're gonna see spring

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<v Speaker 2>of them roles. If you drive on the highway, whether

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<v Speaker 2>you like it or not, you will see them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're driving even on ninety six around here, and you

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<v Speaker 2>just see these massive patches of trilliums. But that's not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You really do need to get in there. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>much diversity and there's so many interesting things to see.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if you look, if you drive and

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<v Speaker 2>you see the trilliums growing by the side of the highway,

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<v Speaker 2>and you think, oh, that's nice. The trilliums are in bloom.

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<v Speaker 2>You really owe it to yourself to get out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't take a lot. You can go to

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<v Speaker 2>almost any park around here and see an amazing display

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<v Speaker 2>and it's I mean, if you haven't done this before,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say mark your calendars in the coming weeks

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<v Speaker 2>to just make sure you get out to a park

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<v Speaker 2>and see this, because I don't know. It's just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's very meaningful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is. It's very meaningful, and it's very very

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful for me. So I share that with you. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. They see a lot of us think about trilliums,

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<v Speaker 1>and that, of course is an amazing plant. I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading from the US Forest Service. They were saying there

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<v Speaker 1>are forty three species of trillium known worldwide, with a

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<v Speaker 1>startling thirty eight represented in North America as natives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty that I had no idea was that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely incredible. And the rest this is actually very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and you see this especially when it comes to our

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<v Speaker 2>spring ephemerals. I'm not going to go deep into this,

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<v Speaker 2>so don't panic, but there's a phenomenon called the Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Asian Eastern North America floristic disjunction. Where you get into this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like deja vu. It's incredible. Yes, I have read

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Oh Arnold Arboretum, Yeah, does a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>They have an excellent article on that. So basically what

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<v Speaker 2>it is is that the eastern half of North America

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<v Speaker 2>and Eastern Asia share a very similar number of plant

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<v Speaker 2>species and genera because at one point they were connected.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the other trillium species i'm guessing are all

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<v Speaker 2>Asian trilliums, and there are just some spectacular Asian trilliums.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they're not our native trilliums, but they're still special.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll see that with a lot of spring ephemerals,

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<v Speaker 2>the erythronium or trout lily as well, just to name

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<v Speaker 2>a few. And it's just such an interesting thing to see.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't believe we are that many trilliums. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so many in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, And I have some pictures to share of

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<v Speaker 1>trout lily also a favorite of mine, as I would

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<v Speaker 1>run the trail. And as far as the trilliums are concerned, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the diversity is amazing and correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But is it the pedestal? Is it a pedestal that

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<v Speaker 1>the flower sits on. Is that the pronunciation, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>a pedesol. And then there are others that seem to

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<v Speaker 1>just sit right on.

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<v Speaker 2>Top of the bracts, beestile trilliums. So yeah, sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>see the ones that are nodding, the Trillium grand fluorum,

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<v Speaker 2>which is by far the most widespread one around here

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<v Speaker 2>in southwestern Michigan. But the cecil ones, Yeah, they nestle

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<v Speaker 2>right down into the foliage with no extra stem. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those are really cool. If you are lucky enough to

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<v Speaker 2>live in the southeast, or maybe you're taking on the

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<v Speaker 2>Appalachian Trail or you're going on vacation, you will see

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<v Speaker 2>the most incredible diversity of trilliums down through the Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Ridge Mountains and Smokies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean absolutely really.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean know another interesting thing about trilliums, So they

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<v Speaker 2>do grow by seed. Obviously they spread by you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their their roots as well, but their seeds, their seed

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<v Speaker 2>pods have these what's known as an eliosome on that

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a little dot of nutritious oil and it

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<v Speaker 2>is like ants just go crazy for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And they I mean like it's not just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a nice little liasm. Guess I'll eat it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like they go bananas. And that is how trillium is.

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<v Speaker 2>That is how trillium spread it. Trillium seed is dispersed.

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<v Speaker 2>Is these ants going after that alion and then carrying

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<v Speaker 2>it to who knows where, and that is why trilliums

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<v Speaker 2>are able to spread as widely as they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is fantastic. Yeah. And if you're keeping score

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<v Speaker 1>at home and you enjoy the trilliums of spring, as

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey mentioned, then so it's pedestal and cecil, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>the cecil are seated right on those bracts or that foliage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Trout lilies, I love them, the solitary nodding

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<v Speaker 1>yellow flower. Their colony forming and they the foliage looks

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<v Speaker 1>like trout, a brown trumk. Yeah, I guess that's where

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<v Speaker 1>it gets and its name.

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<v Speaker 2>They look so pretty with the trilliums and they're so

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<v Speaker 2>often together, and that to me is where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about mother nature and being inspired. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a combination that I just find so inspiring.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the kind of thing that if you are

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<v Speaker 2>a gardener and you're out in the woods looking at

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<v Speaker 2>these things, you know, take a moment's not just go

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<v Speaker 2>oh that's pretty or oh that's interesting, but to really

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<v Speaker 2>think about what is it? Is it the colors, is

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<v Speaker 2>it the shape of the leaves? Is it the gestures

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<v Speaker 2>of those two plants together? And think about what that

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<v Speaker 2>means for you? Combining plants agree very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so I have a question for you based on that, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is, as far as ephemerals are concerned, I

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<v Speaker 1>also consider non native minor bulbs like galanthus to be

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<v Speaker 1>a spring ephemeral based on definition. Would you agree with

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a fair you know, but it's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think usually when most people say spring epemerals, they

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<v Speaker 2>are referring to our native wildflowers, but that they behave

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<v Speaker 2>the same way, you know, and most of our spring

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<v Speaker 2>ephemerals that are native to North America are similar. They

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<v Speaker 2>have some sort of bulb like storage organ underground, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they need because they have such a short

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<v Speaker 2>life cycle that they really need to take all the

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<v Speaker 2>energy that they're able to manufacture before the trees come

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<v Speaker 2>out making hay well the sun shines, and they need

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<v Speaker 2>to store that for another whole year before they come out. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>So they all have that kind of bulb like nature.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that's a fair connection.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll talk about them in segment four and continue

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<v Speaker 1>our talk on ephemerals before we move to Plants on Trial.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote an ephemeral lyric just.

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<v Speaker 2>For use to ooh, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here we go. We await with much anticipation. They

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<v Speaker 1>arrive with great adulation, a few moments on stage. Our

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<v Speaker 1>needs to a sage, then exit with short duration. Ephemerals

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<v Speaker 1>are plants that are temporary. Here's an inside joke in

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<v Speaker 1>my commentary. They put on a show, they come and go,

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<v Speaker 1>not a thorn in your side like Barbary. I wrote that.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. I appreciate that. Thank you, Yes, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as I was saying in our plants are

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<v Speaker 2>show on plants that we don't like. I was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons I dislike Barbary so much is

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<v Speaker 2>because when I do go to the woods to see

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<v Speaker 2>the spring ephemerals and I see a Barbary, Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>makes me real mad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I wrote it just for you. Plants on

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<v Speaker 1>Trial is coming up next, and in segment four we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get in to more of these ephemeral plants. List them

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<v Speaker 1>out for you and why we love them. As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, if we were to apply minor bulbs,

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<v Speaker 1>I know a favorite of yours, Stacey and mine are

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<v Speaker 1>the reticulated or Iris reticulata. Indeed, yeah, so an early

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<v Speaker 1>spring bloomer plants on trial is next here on the

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<v Speaker 2>to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the order of the

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<v Speaker 2>day is our beloved spring ephemerals. And if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what we're talking about, in a nutshell, it is

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<v Speaker 2>the spring wildflowers that pop up in forests all around

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan and in fact around most of the eastern half

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<v Speaker 2>of the entire country. And again, if you've only ever

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. Just find a local park with a

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<v Speaker 2>But I did want to mention since it's Plants on Trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and Plants on Trial is really all about introducing you

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<v Speaker 2>to one of the three hundred and twenty plus proven

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<v Speaker 2>Winter's color choice shrubs and you decide if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to add it to your garden. Well, when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to spring ephemerals, I do want to say, especially early

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<v Speaker 2>in the show, that when it comes to adding them

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<v Speaker 2>to your garden, please, please, please be sure you are

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<v Speaker 2>getting them from a reputable source. There is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of poaching that goes on among spring wildflowers that are

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<v Speaker 2>dug up. Not so much in Michigan, but definitely there's

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<v Speaker 2>a huge trade from the Smoky Mountains and the Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Ridge Mountains where they grow really, really abundantly. So these

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<v Speaker 2>are the kind of plants and I encourage you to

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<v Speaker 2>the right conditions, shade, reasonably moist soil, you'll do great

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<v Speaker 2>from a reputable source that hasn't dug them up from

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<v Speaker 2>the wild without permission. You know, usually they do need

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<v Speaker 2>to be seed grown. They tend to be expensive because

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<v Speaker 2>a trillium takes about seven to ten years to flower

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<v Speaker 2>from a seed, and so usually if someone is real,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, responsibly propagating these plants, it does take quite

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<v Speaker 2>a while, so they cost a little bit more, and

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<v Speaker 2>if they're cheap, you should probably be very suspicious about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's some tissue culture out there which does help

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<v Speaker 2>to defray costs a bit, but please be sure if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to add these to your garden, you're sticking

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<v Speaker 2>mostly with native plant nurseries that are sourcing these in

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<v Speaker 2>a responsible manner. So I want to get that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't believe it at first, and I was like, yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but every year you see reports of this and people

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested, and so there's a huge trade for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't want to be a part of supporting that.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of talk about ramps also.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, especially ramps. Yeah, So anyway, let's get today's

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<v Speaker 2>plan on trial, which, as we were saying on the break,

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<v Speaker 2>is one of Rick's favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to Gardening Simplified, honor Or dot com

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<v Speaker 1>look at our top ten lists favorite shrubs, you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>it there on my list, Stacey, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It was already there before I picked it as today's

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<v Speaker 2>plant on Trial. So you know, in this theme of

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<v Speaker 2>spring ephemerals, you know in the woods, it's they're understory plants,

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<v Speaker 2>so they grow sort of through that leaf litter as

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about. And we do have some native

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<v Speaker 2>shrubs here in Michigan, but mostly it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>you have the understory and then you have the trees. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go down to the southeast, you will find

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<v Speaker 2>many more sort of shrubs in the understory, and they

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<v Speaker 2>make an outstanding companion to a spring ephemeral planting, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially today's plant on Trial, which is legend of the

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<v Speaker 2>small father Gilla. So Fathergilla is also as bottle brush

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<v Speaker 2>or witch alder, and it is such a great choice

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<v Speaker 2>for matching a spring epemerals because it blooms at pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much the same time. Has these lovely white bottle brush

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<v Speaker 2>as you might have guessed by that common name flowers fragrant.

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<v Speaker 2>They come out in early spring and the great thing

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<v Speaker 2>about the specific variety that we're talking about today, Legend

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<v Speaker 2>of the Small father gilla, is that it is well small,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's blooming and growing sort of in with the

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<v Speaker 2>spring ephemerals rather than towering above them. So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>companion sort of rather than a guardian. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>It makes perfect sense. And Stacey here in Michigan, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>we often get april snow. Ah, yes we do, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I have pictures to share of snow coating those

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<v Speaker 1>flowers when early spring. But I love that because you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>blooms about the same time as the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it's nice that this one so regular conventional

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<v Speaker 2>father gilla are going to reach anywhere between four and

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<v Speaker 2>six feet tall and wide, which is still a very

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<v Speaker 2>useful size for most residential landscaping. But it's really nice

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<v Speaker 2>to have a variety like Legend of the Small which

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<v Speaker 2>reaches just two to two and a half feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you have some different options for how to

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<v Speaker 2>use it in your garden and again kind of letting

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<v Speaker 2>it accompany this spring ephemerals that are in your garden. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't quite native to Michigan. This is really going

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<v Speaker 2>to be more of a southeastern United States again Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Ridge Mountains, Smoky Mountains. That is sort of the epicenter

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<v Speaker 2>for all of this, and that is actually where legend

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<v Speaker 2>of the small was developed at the North Carolina State

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<v Speaker 2>University Research Center in Asheville by doctor Tom Rainey, who

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<v Speaker 2>has developed a huge diversity of plants in the proven

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<v Speaker 2>Winner's Color Choice brand, including one of my favorites, El

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<v Speaker 2>Nino Chetalpa. He's been all over the place developing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of interesting natives as well as interesting exotics like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But this comes from him, and his breeding goal really

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<v Speaker 2>was to have this smaller size so more of us

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<v Speaker 2>can use it in new ways in our gardens, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great in a perennial guard.

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<v Speaker 2>It is great in a perennial garden, especially this one.

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<v Speaker 2>So a couple things about growing this wonderful plant. Rick

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<v Speaker 2>does have it in his garden. I do not, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason for that is because it needs moist soil

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't water, and I have very very dry

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<v Speaker 2>sandy soil. I have tried to grow it. I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>sorry to that father gilla that I attempted to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>It did not last long, But like my mom over

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<v Speaker 2>on the east side of the state in Detroit grows

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<v Speaker 2>it beautifully where that soil is more clay like, so

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<v Speaker 2>it needs some moisture. This is not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of those drought tolerant plants that we tell you about.

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<v Speaker 2>You can kind of just you know, grow it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is a low maintenance plant because if you are

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<v Speaker 2>growing it in the areas in the kind of environment

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<v Speaker 2>where it will thrive because it is so small, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need pruning, doesn't really need much of anything. And that

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<v Speaker 2>actually reminds me before I forget of another reason why

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<v Speaker 2>it makes such a great companion to spring ephemerals, because

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<v Speaker 2>not only does it have these wonderful, fragrant flowers in

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<v Speaker 2>early spring, it has amazing fall color.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, arguably I grow the plant for the fall color,

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<v Speaker 1>not the bottle brush blooms in spring, even though the

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<v Speaker 1>blooms are so unique and they're early and they're fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>and I love them. The plant saves the best.

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<v Speaker 2>For last, It definitely does, and all of those spring

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<v Speaker 2>epemerals are long gone by that point. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a garden bed where you have these plants that disappear.

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<v Speaker 2>This makes such a great choice because you'll get that

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<v Speaker 2>prolonged season of interest. And then, of course because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a shrub, it's got those nice persistent branches over winter.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's get back to growing it. So moist, acidic

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<v Speaker 2>soil is very important. You're going to want to mulchhit

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really need any pruning or other maintenance, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite deer resistant. Actually, even when I did attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>grow it, the deer never did actually eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the foliage tends to be kind of rough, firy

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<v Speaker 1>type of foliage, and again, any plant that has that

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<v Speaker 1>toem and toast type of foliage that's kind of hairy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the deer tend to pick something else in the buffet.

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<v Speaker 2>And it gets no other pests or diseases, no leaf spots,

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing like that. So it is actually an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>easy plant to grow and to use. And you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's not native to Michigan, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very much at home here with native ephemerals like this

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<v Speaker 2>and Stacey.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who are listening to the show on radio

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're listening to the podcast version, you're asking

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<v Speaker 1>to us to say, again, what is that plant, And

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<v Speaker 1>how do we spell that plant? Because I say father Gia,

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<v Speaker 1>you say father Gilla.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna, I was gonna mention that you're not

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<v Speaker 2>the only person I have heard say father Gia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is father Gilla. So f O T H

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<v Speaker 2>E R g I L l A. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>that it is father Gilla and not father Gia is

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<v Speaker 2>because it is named after one doctor, Fathergil from England.

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<v Speaker 2>We go so now, so usually what I try to

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<v Speaker 2>do what I'm pronouncing a plant is to take that

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<v Speaker 2>root word and use that in the pronunciation. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>father Gill, named after doctor Fathergill, with a at the end

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<v Speaker 2>to make it you know, wow, it.

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<v Speaker 1>All makes sense to me. That's why I asked the question.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I brought it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, speaking of spring flowering shrubs, I am

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<v Speaker 2>breaking my own rule because, as we've said on the

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<v Speaker 2>show before, for Scythia is named after one doctor forsythe

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<v Speaker 2>But if I go around telling everybody that I love

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<v Speaker 2>there for Scythia, They're just gonna think I'm some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of maniac. So it is important to be understood. And

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<v Speaker 2>as long as you're walking out of the store with

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<v Speaker 2>a plant that you want. It's all good, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can always go for bottlebrush because most people will probably

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<v Speaker 2>know or witch alder, which is it gets that name

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<v Speaker 2>not because it's witchy or used in any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>magical ceremonies, but because it is from the ancient or

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<v Speaker 2>the Old English word wyh which means bent or pliable.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also to which hazel, so it might also

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<v Speaker 2>be part of that. So it's in the Hammi melodecy

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<v Speaker 2>or which hazel family?

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<v Speaker 1>I love which hazel and which hazel has very similar

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<v Speaker 1>fall color to a I'm going to say, father.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, fall habits are hard to break. And

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to talk about sun. So it does

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<v Speaker 2>grow in sun to part shade. It will grow in

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<v Speaker 2>deeper shade, but you're going to see the flowering is

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<v Speaker 2>very diminished, as is the fall color. So if you can,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you live in a hotter climate, part shade

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be kind of your sweet spot here

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<v Speaker 2>in the north, you could easily grow it in full

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<v Speaker 2>sun as long as it has sufficient water because again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not one of those very drought tolerant plants.

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<v Speaker 2>One last word I have to say, if you're thinking, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it to my garden. It is slow growing and it's small,

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<v Speaker 2>and those two things combine to make it a lot

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<v Speaker 2>slower to produce than a lot of other plants like

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<v Speaker 2>hydrangeas and that kind of stuff that you'll see on

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<v Speaker 2>the market. So this plant has been out for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while. We are always trying to increase numbers on

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<v Speaker 2>it to meet the demand because so many people like

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<v Speaker 2>Rick do love this plant, but it is in fairly

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<v Speaker 2>short supply. So if you're interested in it, don't sleep

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<v Speaker 2>on it. Make sure that you pick it up and

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<v Speaker 2>add it to your garden because it will probably go

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<v Speaker 2>because there's not quite enough to go around, but we

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<v Speaker 1>To make sure to drive the point home, Stacey, So

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<v Speaker 1>you are talking about Legend of the Small Yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>is also a Legend of the Fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which was selected for superior fall color, even better

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<v Speaker 2>than the standard from Father Gilla, And that one is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a more standard size, so more like the

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<v Speaker 2>three to five or four to six foot range, So

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<v Speaker 2>two great choices. Legend of the Fall is much easier

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<v Speaker 2>to find, but if you do want this smaller size

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<v Speaker 2>in Legend of the small you might have to look

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<v Speaker 2>for it just for a couple more years so you

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<v Speaker 2>can get a little bit more out there on the

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<v Speaker 2>market for you. If you'd like to add it to

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<v Speaker 2>your garden, please visit proven Winter's Color Choice dot Com

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<v Speaker 2>Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greetings, gardening friends, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to help you with your gardening questions, quandaries and conundrums.

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to wonder if we've actually you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are going to answer it or anything like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>we want to offer that service to you. Can't answer

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<v Speaker 2>everything on air, or we wouldn't talk about anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd just be answering gardening questions all the time. So

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<v Speaker 2>but we do care about your success and want you

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that you have a good and stress

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<v Speaker 2>free spring. So please to take advantage of that if

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<v Speaker 2>you would like. And in the meantime, we got some

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<v Speaker 2>questions this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hell Goo writes to us, I planted a new

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<v Speaker 1>lawn last fall at my cabin west of Baldwin. This spring,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to put down more seed, apply fertilizer, crab

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<v Speaker 1>grass preventor what orders should I do this first? More

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<v Speaker 1>grass than apply the fertilizer or fertilizer than plant grass.

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<v Speaker 1>The property is north about ninety miles from Grand Rapids.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the general timeline, So that's the point timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>It's based on soil temper so that's when annual weeds

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<v Speaker 1>like crabgrass will germinate in the soil, usually when soil

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures get to about fifty five to sixty degrees. Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people like to use a visual reminder

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<v Speaker 1>and that being the forsythios when they're in bloom, But

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<v Speaker 1>really technically you should learn about growing degree days GDD

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<v Speaker 1>as well as soil temperature and universities like Michigan State University.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a resource that I use. It's available to all

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<v Speaker 1>has a GDD tracker, and as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I took a look at it yesterday and it's interesting, Stacey.

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<v Speaker 1>Every year is different. Oh, for sure, last year we

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<v Speaker 1>were in optimum application time for crabgrass pre emergent the

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<v Speaker 1>end of March because of the temperatures had warmed up.

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<v Speaker 1>We did not have as much snow in winter and ice,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas this year we haven't even hit the optimum point

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<v Speaker 1>yet and we're going to be more normal this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Where usually the crab grass controls are applied somewhere around

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<v Speaker 1>between the first and third week of April tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, tax day tax good to note. Well, I think, Helga,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all great information about timing. But the real key

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<v Speaker 2>here to answering your question is you're asking whether you

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<v Speaker 2>put down the fertilizer crab grass preventer first and then

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<v Speaker 2>the seed or vice versa. And the thing that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>needs to know about this question that makes such a

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<v Speaker 2>good question is that crab grass preventer. The majority of

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<v Speaker 2>crabgrass preventers are simply pre emergence. They prevent seed from germinating. Correct,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you put down your grass seed and then

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<v Speaker 2>put down the crabgrass pre emergent or even vice versa,

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<v Speaker 2>your grass seed will not germinate. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>it's specific to crabgrass. There are certain ones that might be,

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<v Speaker 2>but overall, the majority of crabgrass preventors prevent grass from germinating,

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<v Speaker 2>not crabgrass specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly so if I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would recommend so you kind of have a real issue here,

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<v Speaker 2>a real quandary, because you're going to have this optimum

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<v Speaker 2>time to put down your crab grass pre emergent, but

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<v Speaker 2>you need to get that grass germinated and growing first,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will see if you look at some packages,

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<v Speaker 2>and actually you don't even need to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>garden center. If you just look at some brands websites,

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<v Speaker 2>you can find all of the package instructions right there

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<v Speaker 2>on your computer or your phone and read what they say,

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<v Speaker 2>because it might say, for example, you know, don't apply

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<v Speaker 2>this within fifteen days of having put down grass seed,

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<v Speaker 2>so it will have some sort of you know, window

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<v Speaker 2>of time where that is safe to do, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to want to make sure you follow that exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So we haven't hit the window yet. You might be

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<v Speaker 2>able to put down grass seed and get it germinating.

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<v Speaker 2>If not, then I would say go ahead and put

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<v Speaker 2>down your crab grass pre emergent. Read that carefully to

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<v Speaker 2>find out how long that's going to last. Then try

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<v Speaker 2>to get your grass seed growing. But these two things

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be difficult to time properly to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that that it works.

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<v Speaker 1>The time to seed alawn is in fall. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>time to do it. So in spring you're gonna find

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<v Speaker 1>with most pre emergent controls, they're going to put down

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<v Speaker 1>a barrier that lasts twelve weeks, so you can forget

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<v Speaker 1>about seeding. Unless you buy a product specifically made for seeding,

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<v Speaker 1>they're generally difficult to find and very expressed.

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<v Speaker 2>I would guess. I would guess, so, Hellga, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to need to make a decision. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>going to be grass seed or is it going to

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<v Speaker 2>be fertilizer and pre emergence? Save the grass seed for fall?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I would do, especially since you're not going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there all the time of it's your cabin,

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<v Speaker 2>so timing, as in most cases, is everything is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Joyce wrote to us about native plants for Michigan an

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<v Speaker 1>official list of Native plans. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought this was such a great question because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know that so many people out there

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<v Speaker 2>are so interested in learning about native plants, growing more

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<v Speaker 2>native plants. But you're kind of just like, where do

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<v Speaker 2>I start? And the first thing I would say is

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<v Speaker 2>decide how native you want to be? Like, are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to be native to your county? Are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to be native to your region of Michigan. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to be native to the state the peninsula. There's

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<v Speaker 2>lots of different ways that can go, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>a decision that each of us can make for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we are going to put a nice long

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<v Speaker 2>list from Michigan State University of native plants in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>But bear in mind that there are roughly estimated, because

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<v Speaker 2>no one really knows for sure, but well over six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred different species of native plants to Michigan, and lists

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<v Speaker 2>like the one that we're going to share in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes and in the YouTube caption there tend to

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the species that are more commercially available. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certainly a lot of plants out there that are

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<v Speaker 2>native but just don't necessarily have the appeal at garden

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<v Speaker 2>centers where people are going to be, you know, grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>them up and wanting to plant them. So know that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be a comprehensive list, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a good reference for you to know

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<v Speaker 2>what to look for in garden centers. Now, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of other resources I have for you. We are lucky

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<v Speaker 2>at Michigan we have a couple of outstanding native plant nurseries.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally have shopped at Wild Type out near Williamston

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times. They're only open to the public a couple

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<v Speaker 2>weekends a year. They have a great selection, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>lots and lots of other ones. There's a wonderful one

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<v Speaker 2>near Anne Arbor. The name escapes me at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't just search Michigan native plant nurseries and

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<v Speaker 2>see what you can find. Those would also be an

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<v Speaker 2>excellent choice because you can trust that everything that they

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<v Speaker 2>have there is going to be native since that is

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<v Speaker 2>their specialty.

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<v Speaker 1>And many garden centers and greenhouses have added a native

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<v Speaker 1>plant section, and so yes, I would do that research.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you pointed out a really important thing Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>as it relates to the state of Michigan, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is you have to take regional approach because you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to find there's Southern lower, there's Northern lower, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's up and different climates, different soils, it's gonna vary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can split them mint up into many different sections.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally, I just wanted to mention there is

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful nationwide organization called wild Ones and they are

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated to educating people about native plants, and the Grand

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<v Speaker 2>Rapids chapter out here is very active. They do a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of great work, so definitely take a look at them.

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<v Speaker 2>They would be a great resource for joining together to

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<v Speaker 2>learn about native plants and learning from each other. So

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<v Speaker 2>take a look for your local wild Ones chapter as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna hit this one real quick. Shelley Wondering, absolutely love

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<v Speaker 1>your show, learn so much. Thank you Gardening in West Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Wondering what are the best annuals for full sun window boxes?

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<v Speaker 1>And Stacey, I'll just throw a few out the Star

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<v Speaker 1>Divas Scavola's fabulous for how Weather, meteor shower, diamond frost, lemon,

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<v Speaker 1>coral sea. I mean, there are so many that that

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<v Speaker 1>you can pick from, and I love the mojave portolaca.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's a great plant for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a great plant if you're retired and can

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<v Speaker 2>see it open during the day, But that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those ones that close up and the closes up in

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon. Shelley, I think this is a great question

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<v Speaker 2>because you said that you know some of your window

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<v Speaker 2>boxes in part son have done better than your ones

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<v Speaker 2>in full sun, and you know window boxes, most of

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<v Speaker 2>them are a relatively small volume of soil, so you

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<v Speaker 2>definitely need to consider as you are. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>plants can withstand not just the sun, but drying out

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<v Speaker 2>more quickly and not having a really you know, big

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<v Speaker 2>volume of soil around those routes, so you're looking for

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that is very heat and drought tolerant. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that it's interesting, Shelley that you and your own

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<v Speaker 2>message mentioned the start eve A blue scaffola, because that

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<v Speaker 2>is the plant that actually started the proven Winters brand.

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<v Speaker 2>They had found it in US Australia, where of course

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<v Speaker 2>they need everything to be super side and drought tolerant,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was they were growing it in window boxes

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<v Speaker 2>and hanging baskets and is a groundcover and they were

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<v Speaker 2>just like, hey, this plant can take it all. So

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a great choice I think as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I will put some links in the show notes

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<v Speaker 2>as well as in the caption on YouTube for some

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<v Speaker 2>great sun tolerant annuals. But a couple that I would

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<v Speaker 2>add to that, I would say yes geraniums. I would

625
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<v Speaker 2>even say ivy geraniums, even though Rick does not like

626
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<v Speaker 2>them as we discovered. Sorry, Rick, but I would say

627
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 2>yes to geraniums. Classic choice lantana. Now that is a

628
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<v Speaker 2>very heat and drought tolerant plant. And the cool thing

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<v Speaker 2>about lantana is you can pick one that grows up

630
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<v Speaker 2>or one that spreads or makes them both together. So

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<v Speaker 2>you just want to look at the plant tags to

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<v Speaker 2>find one depending on the look that you want, sweet

633
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>potato wine another super sun and drought tolerant.

634
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<v Speaker 1>Plant, pink gum free love that one. Oh that thing

635
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<v Speaker 1>and it'll stand up to the heat. And what about

636
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<v Speaker 1>many vistas.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all the supertunias should do really great. I mean

638
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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to tolerate heat like in the South,

639
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<v Speaker 2>but certainly the summers that we have in the Midwest

640
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<v Speaker 2>and north, you won't have any trouble growing those all

641
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<v Speaker 2>summer long. So we'll put some resources for you on

642
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<v Speaker 2>the website at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. Right now,

643
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to take a break and then we're going

644
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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit more about our beloved spring ephemerals.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplify Show as we continue

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<v Speaker 1>our talk on spring ephemeral flowers and Stacey, I have

652
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<v Speaker 1>to say that bloodroot is one of my favorites. I

653
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<v Speaker 1>have numerous pictures to share on the YouTube version of

654
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<v Speaker 1>our show. But when that green scalloped foliage on furrows

655
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and then that white flower emerges, and of course the

656
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>history of that plant a native plant, blood roots one

657
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of my favorites.

658
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>It is so special, and you know it is one

659
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>of those ones it does form large colonies. I haven't

660
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>seen very many large colonies around here, but that's what

661
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about when I'm saying, if you just

662
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>see the trilliums from the highway and you never get

663
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>in there to see, you'll miss things like bloodroot. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the flower of blood root is pretty, but

665
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that foliage is just glorious. It's so so pretty.

666
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have a picture of it just emerging through

667
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the leaf litter. I'm with you on that. I think

668
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>another thing you and I agree on, Stacey, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is marsh marigold in the buttercup family, those bright yellow flowers.

670
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>When I'd be running on the trail and you get

671
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<v Speaker 1>some of these low areas where it's wet, marsh marigolds.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So you're telling me that this is a

673
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 2>marigold you can stand because it's not a true maragold.

674
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's not a true it's so fund.

675
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>An exception from your plants that people keltha. So yeah,

676
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 2>marshmare gold is such a cheerful plant. It does grow

677
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 2>in pretty much standing water, and so you'll often find

678
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it where you found skunk cabbage, which is one of

679
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 2>my favorites. Skunk cabbage is so special, such a unique plant.

680
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I know when I traveled to Australia, I was with

681
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 2>my father in law and he had a colleague that

682
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>lived there and he was taking us around and he

683
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 2>said to me, oh, does skunk cabbage grow where you live?

684
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>And I was like yeah, And he was studying it

685
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>as a material scientist because it actually heats up the

686
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:43.719
<v Speaker 2>ground around it and melts the.

687
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Snow generates its own heat, so.

688
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.679
<v Speaker 2>They don't bloom at the same time. But any place

689
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that you find skunk cabbage really really wet, muddy, standing

690
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>water kind of soils, you will also find keltha or marshmaregold.

691
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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks later, and think about groggy emerging pollinators

692
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.639
<v Speaker 1>and how important skunk cabbage would be there.

693
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, for sure, especially flies.

694
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there you go, as I mentioned in the

695
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<v Speaker 1>first segment, I view some of the minor bulbs as

696
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>a spring ephemeral in my yard. I love anemone Blanda,

697
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>just such a beautiful tuberus rooted perennial. I have a

698
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>picture to share with you that I took at Corkanhoff

699
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Gardens in the Netherlands. This one's a tough one to pronounce.

700
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Kon a doxa. Some people call it kayan odoxa. But

701
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>glory of the.

702
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Snow yep, wow, very plastic socks off.

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00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, I saw a great quote

704
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>on the plant from an individual who lives in Minneapolis.

705
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>It gets very cold in Minneapolis, folks, and this person

706
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 1>said this plant will continue to grow come hell or

707
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 1>high water or hard freeze.

708
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's It's a tough one.

709
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Galanth of snowdrops. They're bell shaped, ok, white flowers offset

710
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>by bright green markings. Love it. We've talked on this

711
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 1>show before. I think we got a question on it.

712
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Winter aconite and one of the earliest bulbs to bloom

713
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and spring.

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00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Definitely love that one. Also a very cheery yellow kind

715
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 2>of rounded flower.

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00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like yeah, And then I know Adriana I believe

717
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>likes Muscari grape pious.

718
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she planted a bunch last year, so she's going

719
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 2>to have a good display coming up into this year.

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00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I love them too, and there's such a diversity, you know.

721
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>That's if you are just sticking to like the grocery

722
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>store varieties of muscary every fall, you know, and you

723
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>love it, you owe it to yourself to get a

724
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>catalog and order some of the specialty muscaris, like Valerie Finnis,

725
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>which is just the most glorious sky blue color. Oh

726
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, that is such a beautiful plant. There's so

727
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>many cool ones out there.

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00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I go back to again Cookinhoff Gardens in the

729
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Netherlands and they create a blue river Muscary grape hyacinths.

730
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 1>But you're so right, Stacey. That the some of the

731
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>new varieties, and we have some pictures to share with

732
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 1>you on YouTube, including the pure white ones. Not only

733
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the color is vivid, but just the shape of the flower.

734
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>They're just unused and they smell so good. Now usually

735
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't get down there and smell them because they're

736
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 2>so close to the ground, but they make good cut

737
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>flowers for a little vase, and they do smell absolutely.

738
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 2>They kind of smell like grapes. They kind of have

739
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>like that grape goool aid smell. I don't know it's

740
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 2>apartmental or but yeah, that's that's kind of the vibe

741
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 2>that I get from them.

742
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>What about Dutchman's breechers, Oh, Rick.

743
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for mentioning my Well, is it my all time?

744
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is it really?

745
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I can pick a favorite spring ephemeral,

746
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but Dutchman's breeches dicentric cuculaurea is easily one of my favorites.

747
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>And there's a park out here in West Michigan that

748
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>used to have the most breath taking display of them.

749
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean there was tens of thousands of them off

750
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 2>this dune. It was amazing. It was something I look

751
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>forward to every year. And I have not seen it

752
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the last three years, and I believe that unfortunately, what

753
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>has happened is that the deer are eating the flowers.

754
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 2>The plants are still there, but I've started hiking up

755
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 2>there with my binoculars, and when I look with my binoculars,

756
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of cut off stems, and so

757
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I think unfortunately, my favorite display of them I have

758
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 2>not seen. But a lot of people might think that

759
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 2>it's called Dutchman's britches and it's here in West Michigan

760
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's where it got its name. But no, these

761
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>really do look like funny little pairs of pants flying

762
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>off the stem. And it's just one of those plants

763
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 2>that if you were to see a picture of it,

764
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>like online or in a book or something like that,

765
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>you'd go, WHOA, that plant is so cool. I wonder

766
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 2>if I could ever see it in real life. And

767
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like, No, you walk out your door and it's

768
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.320
<v Speaker 2>like growing a mile down the road.

769
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's beautiful with the feathery.

770
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 2>It's just so pretty.

771
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Love it. And for folks keeping score at home, if

772
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you're watching or listening to our program in California or

773
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.199
<v Speaker 1>outside of the United States in Canada, West Michigan is

774
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 1>notorious for Dutch people.

775
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Sorry, a lot of US.

776
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Dutch people here in West.

777
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess I was assuming people would know that because

778
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Holland Michigan movie that's getting so much publicity

779
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>these days.

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00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. Squirrel corn or Dycentra canadensis. Some

781
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>people would Stacey referred to it as bleeding hearts, but

782
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>it is Dycentra canadensis. So you'll find this plant in

783
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Canada all the way down the East coast in the

784
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>United States. And of course the blooms are unique and beautiful.

785
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so the foliage really looks very similar to

786
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the Dutchman's breaches. Yes, and you often find them growing

787
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in and around each other, which would make perhaps the

788
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 2>uninitiated thing like, whoa, is this some sort of mutation

789
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 2>of the other. But they're two totally distinct species. And

790
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I love this. Do not dig one up, but so

791
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>take my word for it or google it. But the

792
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 2>reason it's called squirrel corn is because the root does

793
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>indeed look like a tiny little ear of corn with

794
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>like little like the bulblitz on it look like little

795
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>pieces of corn. It's a pretty amazing thing to see.

796
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Very cool plant. How about Jack and the Pulpit.

797
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I love I'm sorry, I'm people are just gonna be like,

798
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>is there there is? There is no spring of Emerald

799
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 2>that I hate. There's not a single one. I love

800
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.559
<v Speaker 2>them all, But Jack in the Pulpit is so special.

801
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 1>This one pops right out of a fairy tale. Yeah,

802
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I'd run on the trail. Take pictures

803
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, it's it's just this unmistakable hooded champagne

804
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 1>fluted shaped cup, the pulpit and then the slender stall.

805
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what a cool And now that is a plant.

806
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>When we were talking, I mentioned briefly about the you know,

807
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Asian and North American floristic disjunction, the commonalities between them. Now,

808
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Asia got the lion's share of the jack in the

809
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>pulpits the arisima species that are native to Asia will

810
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>knock your socks off. They are stunning, amazing. I mean

811
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 2>ours is pretty great, but theirs are like who over

812
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the top.

813
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>So you've got a good location or source for Hepatica

814
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Hepatica americana. Other people referred to it as liver wort

815
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.920
<v Speaker 1>or liver leaf, so over really dark leaf to it,

816
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>bluish flower I think it has.

817
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.360
<v Speaker 2>So they can be blue, purple or white. Yeah, And

818
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 2>that's another plant that I feel like when I moved

819
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 2>here fourteen years ago, I saw everywhere in the woods,

820
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like the populations have kind of disappeared,

821
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if that's difficult. I don't know

822
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>if that's an issue of the deer or you know,

823
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I think one thing that I've seen, like around the

824
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Muskegon State Parks is that I feel like the leaf

825
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 2>litter is staying so much and suffocating them, like it's

826
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 2>not blowing away to kind of expose them. So I

827
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>don't see nearly as many as I used to. But

828
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>that is a gorgeous plant that is also a very

829
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>very cool plant.

830
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.519
<v Speaker 1>The trail that I would one had all kinds of

831
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>wood anemone on it, so single flowers. Would you know?

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<v Speaker 1>They're white flowers is what they are. The edges of

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<v Speaker 1>the leaflets are kind of toothed, but very unique plant.

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<v Speaker 1>And you this is one that you would just see

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<v Speaker 1>in drifts. Yeah, love that wild wildflower and spring ephemeral

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<v Speaker 1>wild columbine right, love.

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<v Speaker 2>It, absolutely, love it. Definitely on the verge of like

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<v Speaker 2>is it ephemeral? Is it not?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the foliage does persist on that and that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I think brings up the tail end of the

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<v Speaker 2>ephemeral season because it starts to bloom sort of as

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<v Speaker 2>everything else is going out. But that's another plant that

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<v Speaker 2>if you were to just see a picture of this

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<v Speaker 2>red and yellow flower that's just so intricate and so different,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, where can I see that? And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, in the woods, and once it's happy and

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<v Speaker 2>it starts self sewing, it's everywhere in a really kind

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<v Speaker 2>and gentle way.

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<v Speaker 1>And drifts just beautiful. Yeah, just beautiful. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>hit on this one because I think I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's a favorite of yours. While people in spring are

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<v Speaker 1>killing these in droves in their lawn. You love violas in.

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<v Speaker 2>Violet, I do, and the lawn violets is one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are amazing native violets that they have, the

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<v Speaker 2>bird's foot violet, the yellow violet. I do get very

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<v Speaker 2>excited about those. You're absolutely right, I love them so much.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's a good thing to point out, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>is that not all violets or violas or wild violets

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<v Speaker 1>are created the same. There are oval shaped leaves, toothed leaves,

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<v Speaker 1>heart shaped leaves. So there are If you're interested in

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<v Speaker 1>violets or interested in the spring ephemerals, get to know

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<v Speaker 1>them and do a little bit of research because they're

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<v Speaker 1>not all created the same, no, and.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much to see, so that's the main thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to know them. Get out there and see them

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<v Speaker 2>while you can because they don't last long.

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<v Speaker 1>So anything I can add to your list, Stacy, or

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<v Speaker 1>did we hit them all?

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<v Speaker 2>The only one that I would add would be a

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<v Speaker 2>very strange little creature that it did not encounter previously,

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<v Speaker 2>but it grows pretty abundantly around here, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>pendicularis also known as laoswort. It is a hemi or

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<v Speaker 2>semi parasitic plant, and it comes out with this really

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<v Speaker 2>cool kind of like rosette of feathery foliage, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers come out and they're red and yellow, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're curved, and it's just such a unique plant. And

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<v Speaker 2>it gets its nutrition partially from the tree roots that

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<v Speaker 2>it grows on. So it's a very cool thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you can see around here, especially on the lake shore.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting and when you think about it, in early spring

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<v Speaker 1>trees pull a lot of water out of the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in early spring again, these plants are taking

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to do their thing and we all benefit

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<v Speaker 1>from it.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do, and you should do. You bet, get

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun show, Stacy. Thank you so much, Thank you, Adrianna,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks most of all to you for watching or

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<v Speaker 1>listening to our show. Have yourself a great week,