Speaker 1: If we have fellow listeners who actually read this book.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Take out the fact that he's a vampire. He's basically
Speaker 3: just like an old man who's like, I love you,
Speaker 3: but I might hurt you.
Speaker 4: Sounds to me like the fantasy writings of a.
Speaker 5: Rejected of an adult who had a very hard time
Speaker 5: in high school.
Speaker 3: I wonder what vampire baseball is going to be. Guess what.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 2: It's very rare to find somebody who will watch you
Speaker 2: sleep without your permission.
Speaker 5: Hello, and welcome to Mean Book Club. My name is
Speaker 5: Clara Morris. I'm your favorite in the club. Today we
Speaker 5: are going to be talking Twilight.
Speaker 1: I'm Sarah. I'm your second favorite.
Speaker 4: Oh self proclaimed second favorite.
Speaker 2: I'm Sabrina. And the only reason I'm not your favorite
Speaker 2: is because you're too shy to make me your favorite.
Speaker 3: So I'm the host of your show. Damn it, John's Crags.
Speaker 5: I thought it was absolutely, by far, the best book
Speaker 5: we've read so far for this project.
Speaker 4: Maybe in my East is getting skewed because I only
Speaker 4: read bad books. Now, I really had a good time.
Speaker 5: I did a free trial of audible dot Com and
Speaker 5: listened to it on the commute, and it made the
Speaker 5: commute fly the bye.
Speaker 2: I actually have read this book before, as I've read
Speaker 2: all of the Twilight books. I think in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight or nine, somewhere around there.
Speaker 4: You were a young young teenager at that time.
Speaker 6: I was a baby.
Speaker 2: No, I was in college, and it was a Christmas
Speaker 2: break and I read them all in less than one week,
Speaker 2: really pathetic, loved them, devoured them. Bought it again because
Speaker 2: it's been about ten years, and I read about one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pages of it, and last night I
Speaker 2: watched the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about watching the movie. Thanks last night.
Speaker 2: You say last night.
Speaker 3: From what I understand, you were out last night till
Speaker 3: pretty late. You started your night around night, so exactly
Speaker 3: what time did you watch?
Speaker 2: So from seven thirty to nine thirty I did work
Speaker 2: and watch Twilight, and then yeah, I ended up going
Speaker 2: out at eleven until five.
Speaker 1: So I listened to it mostly on YouTube. I found
Speaker 1: a free audiobook. The only problem was that every five
Speaker 1: minutes there was like a commercial, and that was.
Speaker 3: It sounds really horrible, it.
Speaker 1: Was, it was, but you know, you do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do.
Speaker 2: Got to do.
Speaker 3: I read the book via book that I hurt. I
Speaker 3: got it from Barnes and Noble on a partial gift card.
Speaker 3: I know I watched one of the Twilight movies years ago,
Speaker 3: or I read one of the books. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I read this book. There's a lot a lot to
Speaker 4: hate about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I loved it.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, maybe we'll have the most negative feelings towards it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of negative feelings, but they're all
Speaker 3: really trumped by the great feelings I have.
Speaker 2: It's tough for me because when I read it for real,
Speaker 2: really loved it and a nostalgia.
Speaker 6: I have a lot of her nostalgia.
Speaker 2: But most of my complaints are about the pacing of
Speaker 2: the movie. From what I re read of the book,
Speaker 2: I felt like the pacing of it was maybe also
Speaker 2: not as great, so maybe I could.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was my big issue. The book was the
Speaker 1: probably the second half. I was bored out of my
Speaker 1: mind and I was like into it for first half
Speaker 1: and then I was like this could be over by
Speaker 1: now I'm done with it.
Speaker 5: I felt more bored in the first half, Oh wow, because.
Speaker 4: It was like the love.
Speaker 5: The love was what it was like, get to it.
Speaker 5: If he's a vampire. We fucking know, get to it.
Speaker 6: He doesn't know, she doesn't know. It could have been radioactivity.
Speaker 1: That was a part I liked. Once she had him,
Speaker 1: it was boring to me.
Speaker 4: I was like, what the vampire chase was boring to you?
Speaker 1: Getting the vampires what I was into. Then once you
Speaker 1: had it, I was like, well, this is stupid.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't know mestic when the bad vampires are chasing her.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was really boring.
Speaker 4: That was boring.
Speaker 3: That was the only exciting.
Speaker 2: No, I like the lead up.
Speaker 6: There's no sex in this book right now.
Speaker 3: No, No, I think it says that he can never
Speaker 3: have sex.
Speaker 1: I think that's also part of it, because I think
Speaker 1: once they got together and that wasn't happening, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm checking out a little bit here. And then there
Speaker 1: was like a fampire chase and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: know there's a bunch of their books. She's not gonna die.
Speaker 3: So this is called Twilight, and the basic premise is
Speaker 3: that we meet Bella.
Speaker 6: This Isabella Swan.
Speaker 3: Isabella Swan. She's like a pallid little uh freak freak
Speaker 3: who moves from Phoenix to Seattle because her parents.
Speaker 2: I never understood that people would expect her to be
Speaker 2: a cheerleader because she moved from Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Where the home of cheerleaders, right, right, right, But she's
Speaker 3: not Okay, she's not sunny, she's not tan, and she's
Speaker 3: not blonde.
Speaker 1: She fits in and Seattle she fits in, and she
Speaker 1: loves reading.
Speaker 6: She's read all the books.
Speaker 5: She somehow is extremely smart and independent at this kind
Speaker 5: of stuff moving being an adult.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand this. I could really to her in
Speaker 1: any way that she like. I was like, what her parents,
Speaker 1: Her mom's just like traveling with her boy. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so detached, don't even have the mom. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: she may as well be dead. It was fine with.
Speaker 7: Her being dead.
Speaker 1: She could have That's again at the ending didn't pay
Speaker 1: off for me. I said, she should be dead. I
Speaker 1: don't like her.
Speaker 6: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It's possible this is all lead up to something that
Speaker 2: happens in one of the other books, and they're like
Speaker 2: really laying the foundation.
Speaker 4: I'm never going to write another one, and I don't.
Speaker 1: She could have just moved there, didn't need to have
Speaker 1: all this other shit around.
Speaker 5: I believe what it was was that Bella lived with
Speaker 5: her mother in Phoenix for her entire life. Then the
Speaker 5: mother got a boyfriend who had a travel job baseball player,
Speaker 5: so the mother would be at the baseball games and
Speaker 5: leave Belle at home. And Belle thought it was better
Speaker 5: to go to Seattle with her dad than be home alone.
Speaker 3: Bella, why would you want to be home alone? I
Speaker 3: want more supervision.
Speaker 4: I don't feel comfortable before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, who nobody wants to move when they're seventeen,
Speaker 1: You're like two years left to high school.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe she didn't have any friends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't they say she's like, did sit in with anybody,
Speaker 5: but that she wasn't weird, like she meet friends immediately.
Speaker 4: It wasn't blonde either, Sarah.
Speaker 3: So she moves to the yeah, where she is immediately,
Speaker 3: she captivates the interest of every single male. She is
Speaker 3: the most beautiful thing, probably the experience we've all had.
Speaker 1: You have to understand there are a lot of ages
Speaker 1: in Seattle, so that's the one thing you have to understand.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's kind of like unspoken.
Speaker 5: Her father is the sheriff of the small town. But
Speaker 5: everybody still likes her and no one calls her a narc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they lay some foundation early that the sheriff
Speaker 2: does like the Cullens.
Speaker 6: He thinks they're wonderful.
Speaker 2: The Collins being the vampire families, we just.
Speaker 3: Know that they're beautiful. There's four of them and they
Speaker 3: sit in a corner of the cafeteria to.
Speaker 2: There's five of each other.
Speaker 1: They're just like we, We're.
Speaker 3: All adopted by a young, beautiful surgeon.
Speaker 2: They justify that they move around every two years so
Speaker 2: that they can keep graduating, because the more or they
Speaker 2: move around, the like they can stay. If they start
Speaker 2: in junior year and then they have junior their year
Speaker 2: there and senior year there. Instead of what they could
Speaker 2: do is just move there and pretend to be eighteen
Speaker 2: and just get jobs and work in those jobs for
Speaker 2: I don't know, ten years because I look exactly the.
Speaker 1: Same as I do.
Speaker 2: What you can be eighteen, so but instead they just
Speaker 2: do two years of high school everywhere. Very weird.
Speaker 3: But I think if you're three or four hundred years old,
Speaker 3: what you want to keep reliving over and over again
Speaker 3: is junior and senior year of Also.
Speaker 6: Why do you have to go to high school?
Speaker 2: Who? Who is tracking them? No one?
Speaker 6: They're vampires.
Speaker 1: They haven't the grossest thing about it is that you're like,
Speaker 1: this guy's like one hundred and something years old and
Speaker 1: he's like hitting on high school, right, but she has
Speaker 1: an old soul that's like it's an extreme pedophilia type thing.
Speaker 1: It's really disturbing when you.
Speaker 3: Start thinking about it, when you're like, oh, wow, this
Speaker 3: guy's so charming and different and he's such a man.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, because he's three hundred years old, couldn't
Speaker 3: at least be attracted to like a fifty year old woman.
Speaker 6: Well, he is frozen at seventeen.
Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, audience is mine has lived for three hundred years.
Speaker 2: He has the knowledge of someone who is three hundred
Speaker 2: years old. But that doesn't mean that he's, you know,
Speaker 2: emotionally matured.
Speaker 1: I would think you'd have to be emotionally mature if
Speaker 1: you've lived that.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a vampire, though, your emotional maturity
Speaker 2: is so different.
Speaker 7: It's going to be you're never going to get beyond
Speaker 7: this certain point.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 6: So, I think you're never going to get beyond the
Speaker 6: certain I want to.
Speaker 7: Marry that person, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2: Well, but she wants to be with him forever and
Speaker 2: grow in their lives. They could grow in their love together.
Speaker 1: No one's thinking this out.
Speaker 2: I'm real into vampire romance.
Speaker 6: If it's not apparent.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're making a lot of logic leaps
Speaker 3: and excuses for this pedophile character.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I have to say, this isn't my first
Speaker 1: vampire true blood true Blood Buffy. Yeah, so it's like
Speaker 1: they didn't have any pedophile like characters.
Speaker 7: Yeah, don't remember.
Speaker 2: I was just going to justify it, and I immediately
Speaker 2: take back my justification. But this is what I was
Speaker 2: going to say. It's written four teenage girls, and you
Speaker 2: want the people in the reading it to relate to
Speaker 2: the story. But I guess we don't want teenage girls
Speaker 2: relating to dating three hundred year old men.
Speaker 1: No. I guess I wouldn't want that. My daughter wouldn't
Speaker 1: be allowed to read this book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the message it sends to a teenager I don't like.
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, it's anti Christian.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good though it is.
Speaker 3: But you know, he like she's very helpless. She literally
Speaker 3: falls down all the time, and he used to keep
Speaker 3: swooping in and saving her. And he's like really powerful
Speaker 3: and really strong, and he keeps saying that he could
Speaker 3: like kill her or crush her and he wouldn't mean to.
Speaker 3: It's like the lesson is that if you take out
Speaker 3: the fact that he's a vampire, he's basically just like
Speaker 3: an old man who's like, I can't roll myself around,
Speaker 3: so I love you, but I might hurt you and
Speaker 3: I'm dangerous for you. And then he's portrayed is like
Speaker 3: this coveted sex object.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he also like follows her around waiting for her
Speaker 5: to get into trouble.
Speaker 4: Essentially, he follows her around all day at school.
Speaker 6: He also watches her sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or is that just a movie in her room?
Speaker 3: That is like a cat file? One on one?
Speaker 1: I just feel badhidn't it? I also feel bad because
Speaker 1: it's like she's never dated anyone, She's never been interested
Speaker 1: in anyone. This is her first leve. Come on, this
Speaker 1: is a bad match for you.
Speaker 7: You're like, bad match.
Speaker 1: You gotta okay, Great, you found out you could be
Speaker 1: attracted to someone. Maybe look for his qualities and someone else,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what maybe one those similar qualities.
Speaker 7: It's not a vampire.
Speaker 2: It's very rare to find somebody who will watch you
Speaker 2: sleep without your permission.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't look for that quality. That would
Speaker 1: be the quality I would say, don't look for that quality.
Speaker 1: But maybe, oh, he's really tries to save my life.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: He saves her from that rape, that gay.
Speaker 1: That was boring to me. Her around. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Who are these guys? Are they vampires?
Speaker 1: They're not. They're just what.
Speaker 3: They're just men that are so attracted to her. They
Speaker 3: just can't help themselves, Like what losty of men?
Speaker 1: Where is she?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wanted to go to that bookstore, which is
Speaker 2: a place where she really likes to be alone, and
Speaker 2: so she abandoned her friends who were dressing shopping for
Speaker 2: dresses for the spring dance.
Speaker 4: Which she's too mature. She's too mature for the dance.
Speaker 4: She turned down.
Speaker 5: Lots of people asked her for the dance, and she
Speaker 5: turned them all down, which sounds to me like the
Speaker 5: fantasy writings of a rejected of an adult who had.
Speaker 4: A very hard time.
Speaker 1: Because I know who played her in the movie, it
Speaker 1: did help me in imagining her as like Aid, someone
Speaker 1: who would be attractive and desirable, because as she's described
Speaker 1: in the book, I don't believe it. I don't think
Speaker 1: it mattress Kristen Stewart. But I'm like, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: they changed it to Christen Stewart because I'm more like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's kind of like cool in a my way manic.
Speaker 4: Pixie dream girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I get why she's attractive when you
Speaker 3: see Kristen Stewart playing the role, even in the movie,
Speaker 3: I don't really get why he is super attractive.
Speaker 4: Also, do you guys notice that.
Speaker 3: His character is constantly laughing in the book, He's like
Speaker 3: chuckling like a creepy dolphin, like a creepy all the time.
Speaker 3: Every single page is like Edward chuckled. How creepy would
Speaker 3: that be?
Speaker 2: I think it's less on the cackle end of the
Speaker 2: chuckle spectrum and more on the muted giggle end.
Speaker 6: Is how I imagine it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you really like somebody and they do
Speaker 2: something kind of endearing and you kind of like tilt
Speaker 2: your head down a little bit and you're like, that.
Speaker 4: Seems that seemed real condescending.
Speaker 3: It's very creepy.
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Then it's raining and she gets
Speaker 1: a truck. For some reason, there's like she hates things
Speaker 1: that are cold.
Speaker 5: And wet at this new school, she's like, I've read
Speaker 5: all the books before, and I've done all the science
Speaker 5: that they've done before.
Speaker 4: For so reason, she's some fucking advanced.
Speaker 6: Genius in a different class.
Speaker 1: Tha. Oh.
Speaker 2: At first in school she thinks that Edward hates her,
Speaker 2: but it's it is that he can't control himself around her.
Speaker 2: And then he makes a real effort and they become
Speaker 2: biology partners.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, that's kind of hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then he'll he'll look into the microscope and
Speaker 2: he'll be like, it's this bacteria, and she's like, I'd
Speaker 2: like to check it, because she's a smart, independent woman.
Speaker 2: And then she checks it and she's like, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: it is that bacteria. And then he says for the
Speaker 2: next one, it's this bacteria. Do you want to check it?
Speaker 2: And she says nah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She learns that trust him she doesn't, which is nice.
Speaker 3: So independent anymore.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's nice to be like I don't have to
Speaker 7: think that's nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice. Just take let your mind take a break,
Speaker 3: Bella for the rest of your life.
Speaker 5: Then she's in the parking lot. It's icy out some
Speaker 5: regular fucking, dumb, fucking kid who's not even three hundred
Speaker 5: years old, loses the control of his car on the ice.
Speaker 5: It's spinning and spinning and coming right at her a
Speaker 5: little skull.
Speaker 4: Then something happens.
Speaker 5: She's okay, there's a big accident, but she got pushed
Speaker 5: out of the way.
Speaker 4: How is that possible?
Speaker 5: Edward was Edward the vampire was so far away from
Speaker 5: her at the time.
Speaker 4: He must be Superman.
Speaker 3: He swoops in and stops the van, and she's like,
Speaker 3: sometime's up.
Speaker 4: Yeah. She watches him stop a van with his arms.
Speaker 2: And she's now pinned to the ground.
Speaker 1: Under the fact that she thought it was supernatural makes
Speaker 1: me think that she's stupid, because it's like there's probably
Speaker 1: other shock or something. I mean, you can't remember. It's
Speaker 1: kind of malleable like.
Speaker 5: But she literally thought he was like or I don't.
Speaker 5: Her guess was that he was a Superman type character.
Speaker 7: H yeah. So I was like, okay, so you figured
Speaker 7: it out right away, yep.
Speaker 3: So that leads to love basically, which is just like
Speaker 3: a Stockholm syndrome type thing.
Speaker 4: Someone saved your life and you fall in love with him.
Speaker 1: Stock comes in is when they like kidnap you.
Speaker 4: I said, Stockholm type thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, those are very different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, thank you, JOHNA not.
Speaker 1: I think she was saying a good point to me.
Speaker 1: So she likes him. And then there's back and forth
Speaker 1: of her trying to do you like me? Little conversations.
Speaker 4: It's very weird.
Speaker 5: And how did you know those men were going to
Speaker 5: rape me when I walked into a bad neighborhood?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they go and have this is the
Speaker 1: turning point for me when they actually after he saves
Speaker 1: her from.
Speaker 6: The turning point into boring.
Speaker 1: Oh to boring for me? Yes, when they had the
Speaker 1: really long conversation over dinner.
Speaker 6: Is that where he tells her about his power.
Speaker 1: He tells her about everything, and I'm like, okay, mystery
Speaker 1: is gone in public, he told her, And it's like,
Speaker 1: now we're just not going to struggle with this bell
Speaker 1: You're just accepting it. This isn't a struggle for you. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is how it happens in
Speaker 2: the book because I didn't get to this part. But
Speaker 2: in the movie, when he's telling her that he can
Speaker 2: read everyone's mind but hers, he looks at individual people
Speaker 2: and says what they're thinking about at that moment and
Speaker 2: he goes money sex, money, sex sex money cats.
Speaker 7: That's fun.
Speaker 4: They don't go to joke in that was not in
Speaker 4: the book.
Speaker 1: That was not in the book. Also, that's the same
Speaker 1: thing that happens in True bloods. I'm pretty sure True
Speaker 1: Blood was first real big copy. I would say, I can't.
Speaker 3: Remember, all right, there's no all right, great, I was
Speaker 3: gonna say, there's no way to know, but.
Speaker 1: There's easy way.
Speaker 6: I'll say that.
Speaker 2: I really, I mean, obviously, I like a lot of
Speaker 2: things about this because I love vampire romances and I
Speaker 2: also love why a literature that's my genre. But I
Speaker 2: really like that they turn all of the things we
Speaker 2: know about vampires on their head a little bit. And
Speaker 2: you know, some when I was watching the movie last night,
Speaker 2: someone was complaining, They're like, this is this is not
Speaker 2: what vampires do, and it's like, vampires aren't real. They
Speaker 2: can do whatever, and we.
Speaker 6: Have established rules.
Speaker 2: But here it's like, yeah, they don't go in the
Speaker 2: sun because it glistens, it makes their son out.
Speaker 1: There's the one different things that they have about that's
Speaker 1: the true true life with two thousand and one. This
Speaker 1: was two thousand and seven, so direct copy a big time.
Speaker 5: She stole a big time and instead of I think
Speaker 5: that that was a bit of a cop out.
Speaker 2: Who could read minds? In True Blood?
Speaker 1: Yes, no, she the vampires, but she couldn't read hers
Speaker 1: and that's why they fall. It was later revealed she
Speaker 1: was like a fairy or some shit that was gone by.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chookie Stackhouse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so this is a pretty direct copy.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think in a lot of vampire lore.
Speaker 2: I think this is going back hundreds of years.
Speaker 3: This is vampire law argument that it is traditionally I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that Stephanie Meyer did a wonderful job of
Speaker 2: taking some tropes of vampirism but also turning others on
Speaker 2: their head. Okay, I'm defending it.
Speaker 5: She had to turn it on her head or she
Speaker 5: couldn't have the story because he has to go out
Speaker 5: in the sun to go to school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she had to turn that on.
Speaker 1: It could have been Alaska and it only goes to
Speaker 1: school when it's all dark out.
Speaker 4: But she didn't think of that, did she.
Speaker 2: Well, they had just moved from Alaska. They just moved
Speaker 2: from Alaska.
Speaker 4: They had just moved from No.
Speaker 1: Wow, I guess that's the video prequel we'll get to
Speaker 1: read about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe in one of the other books. They're in Alaska.
Speaker 1: There are four books. I was also surprised. I went
Speaker 1: and read though Wikipedia after the books that I was like,
Speaker 1: there are four books? It gets crazy? Have you read
Speaker 1: them all.
Speaker 2: In a week? I read all of that, and then
Speaker 2: I waited so hard for those movies to come out.
Speaker 2: Every time the movies are not as good as really well,
Speaker 2: that Cat's Joke was good, but the pacing is very,
Speaker 2: very slow, and at least the first movie I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Because then after this, okay, so they love each other
Speaker 1: for some reason. It's stupid. It made me angry that
Speaker 1: this was happening, and then like they didn't even fuck.
Speaker 1: It should have been a lost situation lost.
Speaker 3: He's obsessed with learning more about her, so like there's
Speaker 3: I guess that's a good dedicated to him, like talking
Speaker 3: about so boring, so boring.
Speaker 5: Her life is boring, where it's like, can we hear
Speaker 5: about his fucking vampire life him?
Speaker 3: Nobody cares about your dumb life.
Speaker 1: His life. Her life is so boring, and she'd like
Speaker 1: nothing interesting happened to her in her life even the fact.
Speaker 7: That she moved was boring. She's really boring.
Speaker 2: In the book, Listen, if you are a young girl
Speaker 2: in some random town in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: or other states in the United States, Phoenix is in Pennsylvania, right.
Speaker 6: And you moved somewhere.
Speaker 3: Well, I was, but I grew up.
Speaker 2: As me in my dumb little hometown. And you see
Speaker 2: that any boring little person can become amazing because some
Speaker 2: nice vampire can fall in love with it.
Speaker 6: But you sitting on her, her boring little life.
Speaker 2: That she's getting along and she's independent, she moves to
Speaker 2: forks on her own accord. Listen, Beliswan okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, Beliswan is boring, and the only way she can
Speaker 1: become unboring is to if a vampire date someone really exciting.
Speaker 1: I think that's a bad message. I think I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I think she's interesting on her own accord, and then
Speaker 2: she finds this.
Speaker 1: I think that it's cool that she's bad at sports
Speaker 1: and it's still popular.
Speaker 6: I see that's unique.
Speaker 1: I thought that was unique, and I appreciated that.
Speaker 5: I guess now, I guess I sort of needed her
Speaker 5: to have some extracurricular. If she had some extracurricular I
Speaker 5: bet she wouldn't be falling in love with reading.
Speaker 4: She loves reading.
Speaker 3: Her extracurricular is like calling her dad Charlie instead of Dad.
Speaker 3: Even seems like the time, Yeah, he seemed really nice.
Speaker 3: He seemed nice.
Speaker 7: Stop cooking for her.
Speaker 2: He was gonna have a heart attack because he just
Speaker 2: has bacon and eggs.
Speaker 5: I think it's weird that she cooked dinner for a
Speaker 5: den and then cleaned it up.
Speaker 3: Then basically we get to the end of the book
Speaker 3: that nothing happens. It's like, Okay, she's oh, there's the
Speaker 3: baseball games playing, so she goes and watches Vampire Baseball,
Speaker 3: which you're like, oh, I wonder what vampire Baseball is
Speaker 3: going to be.
Speaker 4: Guess what, it's just fucking baseball.
Speaker 1: I bet that's better in the movie, am I right?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: In the well, I don't. I don't know how it
Speaker 2: happens in the book, but in the movie it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a thunderstorm coming, so we can go play baseball
Speaker 2: because they when they crack the ball on the bat,
Speaker 2: it makes a big booming thunder sound. And then you know,
Speaker 2: we have Alice pitching and then Edward, you know, some
Speaker 2: other guy hits and it goes so deep into the woods,
Speaker 2: and then Edward goes because he's really really fast, and
Speaker 2: then he catches the ball and he throws it home.
Speaker 2: And then Bella is being the ump and she's like
Speaker 2: like Rosalie, Oh, Rosalie is the one who had it.
Speaker 4: You're out.
Speaker 2: And Rosalie kind of hates her and she looks at
Speaker 2: her like you made that call so that Edward would win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be unfair for her to be I
Speaker 1: would say in this situation.
Speaker 3: That's a change from the.
Speaker 5: Fact that these are vampires with like extreme physical abilities
Speaker 5: and they pick fucking baseballs and mirror. It's like make
Speaker 5: up your own fucking predator preise sports.
Speaker 3: Sport for actually, like it's like chubby older men playing
Speaker 3: it requires so little athleticism.
Speaker 1: Also, like you can put you can give yourself more rules.
Speaker 5: But the problem with the baseball game is that Bella's
Speaker 5: human pheromones are now out in the woods and another
Speaker 5: group of vampires smells it.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we heard they were coming, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that was briefly they were going to come.
Speaker 3: They are going to come, Bella By the way, I forgot.
Speaker 3: Another way that she is so freaking attractive is that
Speaker 3: she smells so good to all vampires, especially dad word.
Speaker 3: But like other vampires, she are just like I'd really
Speaker 3: love to eat her.
Speaker 1: I bet she uses like Tom's deodorant or something like
Speaker 1: something that doesn't work.
Speaker 3: So she's like probably a stinky girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone else is deodorant asking the.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking she's like lemon juice or some shit.
Speaker 4: I tried that crystal deodor at once. Does not work.
Speaker 4: Now that was a waste of money.
Speaker 1: All right, So there she is, she's smelling, and then
Speaker 1: one of them comes in. He is like a tracker.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. Then we learned there, like learned about
Speaker 1: their different groups vampire abilities.
Speaker 5: Right, yes, this family, so Edward, our hero's family is
Speaker 5: their vampire family only drinks the blood of animals.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is.
Speaker 4: Hard, but they can do it. So this group that
Speaker 4: this new group of vampires that came, that was nice.
Speaker 4: They drain humans.
Speaker 1: So I don't know why they're even talking them or
Speaker 1: be nice.
Speaker 2: I don't know why Bella didn't find that out in
Speaker 2: her Internet research. She did, which is how she found
Speaker 2: out that Edward and his family were vampires, like she
Speaker 2: should have been expecting that there were human sucking ones around.
Speaker 4: She made as I guess, mellacies what she wants to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: The lead vampire of Edward's family is a surgeon.
Speaker 3: The orbs in the hospital, couldn't they treat themselves to
Speaker 3: like some human blood once a?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Also like that so hard? That is so hard for the.
Speaker 4: Surgeon, human blood all over. Don't you just like give
Speaker 4: it a little lick once in a while.
Speaker 1: Right, I can't believe it. I mean, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: The angel used to go to the hospital and he
Speaker 2: would get bags and he would have that human blood
Speaker 2: and that was okay. But some people can't control themselves.
Speaker 2: So once you get the like towards the end of
Speaker 2: the book, once you get the taste, you don't know
Speaker 2: if you'll ever be able to stop. So like when
Speaker 2: I broke being a vegetarian, I was like, maybe I'll
Speaker 2: just do it the one time, and I went to
Speaker 2: a Brazilian steakhouse and I had literally all the meat
Speaker 2: I could possibly imagine, and I've never been a vegetarian again.
Speaker 1: Interesting, same with Johanna and a hot dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah for me.
Speaker 3: For me, it was a hot dog. That was how
Speaker 3: I wanted to dip my toe back into meat world
Speaker 3: after seven years.
Speaker 2: It was pretty good. I haven't read who it was
Speaker 2: a bag of pepperoni. That's funny, poor melt.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Well, so the basic thing is James,
Speaker 1: you said, that's just a bad vampire and drinks a body.
Speaker 1: He's like trackers, which is a power because he likes to.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that's a power, but I guess
Speaker 1: it is. For the story.
Speaker 5: You can follow people, you can follow people, so you
Speaker 5: just try running Bella.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he says he's not going to track her,
Speaker 1: but he's totally going to her, and they all realize
Speaker 1: it and they're like, fuck, we got to get to me.
Speaker 4: Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 5: It is the exciting part of the book because we're
Speaker 5: finally doing something vampires do instead of just fucking going
Speaker 5: to school and talk to each.
Speaker 7: Other, I guess.
Speaker 1: But then they're just like moving and hiding. That was
Speaker 1: pretty boring to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like very boring hanging in a hotel for
Speaker 3: the whole end of the book.
Speaker 2: Did they play up that Jasper has problems with human blood.
Speaker 3: That he lost Edward's brother.
Speaker 7: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I think, yes, he's not He's not like that old
Speaker 3: of a vampire.
Speaker 4: So he's still working through his attachment.
Speaker 2: Okay, I remember the first time I read that, and
Speaker 2: it might have just been in other books. I felt
Speaker 2: very affected by the Jasper problem, but this time, breezing
Speaker 2: through the pages and watching the movie, I didn't feel
Speaker 2: it as much because he is one of the He
Speaker 2: and h Ashley Green what's her name is the one
Speaker 2: who can see the future.
Speaker 6: One of the vampires his sister.
Speaker 2: Well, they're the two who are staving Bella and like
Speaker 2: running her around because she can block out.
Speaker 1: But like the only stage she was like what glass
Speaker 1: or something, and that was like, okay, not that helpful.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so Alice can see the future, Alice, that's
Speaker 3: what her name.
Speaker 6: Wanted the vampire.
Speaker 5: So two of Edward's family vampires take Bella to this
Speaker 5: hotel to hide from the bad vampires. Oh, he could
Speaker 5: also hear. So she was like, let's tell him we're
Speaker 5: going to Phoenix. He won't believe us, and we'll actually
Speaker 5: go to Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Oh that was so stupid. Wow, that's a dumb plan.
Speaker 7: But he's a great plan, Bella.
Speaker 3: It does seem like they could just put her on
Speaker 3: an airplane to anywhere and he wouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: track her after.
Speaker 1: That, right, I mean yeah, just like I was unclear
Speaker 1: on the tracking abilities also, so it.
Speaker 4: Was pretty easy.
Speaker 2: But maybe they could like really track her to the
Speaker 2: airport quickly and then he would know and then he.
Speaker 7: Just don't they need to kill him.
Speaker 1: I was like, just keep her one place and then
Speaker 1: he's gonna come and then kill him.
Speaker 2: But they don't want to kill him because they don't
Speaker 2: like to harm anyone, even other even.
Speaker 1: Vampire to it, as is evidenced by the fact that
Speaker 1: they eventually killed him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he basically makes it to Phoenix. He ends
Speaker 3: up calling Bella this is so funny, into believing that
Speaker 3: he has her mom hostage. He calls her and he's like, Bella,
Speaker 3: it's Bella's mom's voice on the phone. She's like Bella, Bella,
Speaker 3: And then the tracker, James gets on.
Speaker 4: He's like, I have your mother.
Speaker 3: Don't tell the vampires meet me in your old dance
Speaker 3: studio and she's like wow.
Speaker 1: She's like okay, wait, she doesn't dance.
Speaker 3: She doesn't dance, but apparently she did, because every little
Speaker 3: girl dances. So she hangs up and she's like, that
Speaker 3: monster is right. All these powerful vampires can't help me.
Speaker 3: I need to somehow get away from them and meet
Speaker 3: the person that wants to kill me in this dance.
Speaker 1: Because it made me. He'll kill me and not my mom.
Speaker 1: Your mom sucks. Let her die? Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: while we get she gets to the studio and finds
Speaker 1: out that he was playing his mom. Her mom's voiced
Speaker 1: off of tapes.
Speaker 3: Yes and videos.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And she also the fact that she's able to like
Speaker 5: trick and escape from Edward's brothers and sister who were
Speaker 5: protecting her, and they can read her mind and see
Speaker 5: the future, but she escaped.
Speaker 2: No, no one can read her mind.
Speaker 4: She blocks their powers. They can see the future.
Speaker 3: Just do Stephanie Meyer here instead of Sabrina.
Speaker 4: She wants to defend every.
Speaker 1: Little I just like also just to fall for that
Speaker 1: stupid It was just the dumbest reveal of a trick.
Speaker 1: I thought stupid. So then I didn't care about the mom,
Speaker 1: so it had no stakes for me.
Speaker 3: Didn't doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: I guess that's why they keep peppering the mom through
Speaker 6: the book.
Speaker 2: Is that you are supposed to care about her, but
Speaker 2: you don't know, you don't. That is a failure of
Speaker 2: this one tiny little failure.
Speaker 3: Easily been the dad. Yeah, we meet the dad. I
Speaker 3: like the dad. I think she's shitty to the dad,
Speaker 3: she's a real asshole teen to him, he's a good guy.
Speaker 3: She does cook for him, she doesn't cook for but
Speaker 3: it's very disrespectful to call him Charlie.
Speaker 4: There's no reason to do.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because your mom left him and made you
Speaker 2: come with him, it doesn't make him shitty.
Speaker 4: No again, it makes your mom die.
Speaker 3: So now we're supposed to be like, oh sad, the
Speaker 3: mom is gonna die. Bella and this James get into
Speaker 3: the dance studio, and then the most trite cliche thing
Speaker 3: in the world happens, which is the villain takes too
Speaker 3: long savoring the fact.
Speaker 4: That he's about to kill someone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he.
Speaker 3: Wastes his time and gets interrupted by none other than.
Speaker 2: Edward.
Speaker 1: Wow, we hadn't seen him for a while too, Yes.
Speaker 4: Edward who can read minds? Where the was?
Speaker 3: But he's fricking there just in the nick of time,
Speaker 3: saves her, saves her, But she gets one little, little
Speaker 3: bite on her finger or something.
Speaker 2: He gets venim he does, I don't know why. I'm
Speaker 2: so defends.
Speaker 3: The finger or the hand.
Speaker 1: What. Oh, He's got to suck the blood out, and
Speaker 1: that's really hard because he wants he might want.
Speaker 2: To keep it going, and he does want to keep going,
Speaker 2: but he imagined.
Speaker 1: Just young to me because I'm like, why can't this
Speaker 1: be he needs to like eat her and you might
Speaker 1: want to keep going, but like he has to stop
Speaker 1: himself then be way.
Speaker 3: Hotter for me if he wanted the blood more of it,
Speaker 3: just a straight exactly I did.
Speaker 2: What I will say is I think what you want
Speaker 2: is one of the later books in this series.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I shouldn't skip ahead.
Speaker 2: Or just that sounds pretty or the Spike and Buffy
Speaker 2: parts of Buffy.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've watched all those.
Speaker 2: I know because when I went into the Hulu I
Speaker 2: was like looking for the Spike and Buffy episodes and
Speaker 2: I was like, why are these particular episodes all watched?
Speaker 2: And roommate Chris said Sarah did that. Sarah also wanted
Speaker 2: to watch only the Spike and Buffy parts. You two
Speaker 2: are insane, oh, sir.
Speaker 1: I remember her cold just Bell being so angry at
Speaker 1: me when I told her I did that.
Speaker 7: She's really anti Spike.
Speaker 2: Oh I love Spike, but whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyways, that happened, and then oh, to be together,
Speaker 1: she's gonna have to be a vampire.
Speaker 7: And she's like super into it, and he's like, I'm
Speaker 7: not sure.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think I want to let you
Speaker 3: age until you're freaking ninety years old and I'm still seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you'll just die and that'll be a good,
Speaker 3: positive relationship.
Speaker 5: It's Oh, you're the only one I've ever loved and
Speaker 5: you're my only chance of happiness.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to make you a vampire for some
Speaker 4: fucking reason.
Speaker 2: Okay. And this is what I think is a redeeming
Speaker 2: quality of Edward. And I'm gonna say this. I know
Speaker 2: that he is controlling and he is saving her a lot,
Speaker 2: and yes, I do think that she should be an
Speaker 2: independent woman, but I do think that they established that
Speaker 2: in some degrees, and he is just genuinely looking out
Speaker 2: for her interests. Okay, he doesn't want to doom her
Speaker 2: to being a vampire for eternity when she could just.
Speaker 3: Stay away from my daughter.
Speaker 2: That's I agree with that.
Speaker 1: But he should stop talking to hers, Like when you
Speaker 1: break up with someone and you're keeping like are you okay? Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about you, babe. You it's like someone else.
Speaker 2: They love each other. And also, again from the vampire perspective,
Speaker 2: if he's ever going to find love, it's probably going
Speaker 2: to have to be somebody that he turns into a vampire,
Speaker 2: like that is how it happens. Why can't you really
Speaker 2: find But he has to be sure that that's what
Speaker 2: she wants and that it's not just her in the.
Speaker 6: Puppy love stage.
Speaker 7: Vampire.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, because I want.
Speaker 4: It in your vampires out there.
Speaker 2: Well, usually the way that you fall in love is
Speaker 2: like you've made somebody a vampire. That's how you're bonded
Speaker 2: for life.
Speaker 5: Oh, but it's just that it's interesting that he trusts her,
Speaker 5: He trusts her judgment throughout the book to fall in
Speaker 5: love with him and all that. But here we do
Speaker 5: not trust. She's just an immature seventeen.
Speaker 1: Years who wants to be She's immature the whole time.
Speaker 3: Really, you should have when you think about stop, she
Speaker 3: should have stopped when you think about what it would
Speaker 3: happen if she becomes a empire. It's actually really sad.
Speaker 3: She gets frozen at seventeen forever. While her like, how
Speaker 3: do you explain that to your parents? They just like
Speaker 3: grow old and die. You can never have a child.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you guys just to read the other book.
Speaker 7: Oh I read the Wikipedia and I wanted to find
Speaker 7: out about that. It was confusing.
Speaker 5: In True Blood, when the younger woman realizes she can't
Speaker 5: have a child, she was very sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wait who that like red haired teen.
Speaker 2: That they Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean she's dating a human.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The human's mom is like, can.
Speaker 2: You even have kids?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, blood?
Speaker 3: I forgot they cried blood that.
Speaker 2: Yeahny Alexander Scarscard, why weren't you in this book?
Speaker 3: You could have, in your mind played any of the characters.
Speaker 2: In the movie. I wanted him to be James, except
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want him to die. I'd want him to
Speaker 2: be in all of the movies. Also, curiously, we've not
Speaker 2: mentioned Jacob. I know.
Speaker 3: I was just thinking that, is am I right?
Speaker 2: That When this book came out, it was like, are
Speaker 2: your team Edward or Team Jacob? Or do that happen?
Speaker 6: He's much more prominent in the other books.
Speaker 1: I think in the second book, right, there's like a
Speaker 1: love triangle. Yeah, it happens, but this one it's like
Speaker 1: he's boring and does nothing.
Speaker 2: He just they just introduced Okay. I was like, how
Speaker 2: could anyone be team Jacob? You could be anti Edward,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't possibly imagine being team Jacob in this book.
Speaker 3: I think anything.
Speaker 4: You could be team Dad, you could be Tea.
Speaker 7: Yeah, team independent Mike.
Speaker 3: There was Tyler, Tyler, anyone other than Jacob, but Mike.
Speaker 2: You know, her friend got to be sloppy seconds choice
Speaker 2: for Mike, which was nice. So he's not that good
Speaker 2: of a guy either. A cute, little, wonderful, smart woman
Speaker 2: asking him to the dance and he's like, I have
Speaker 2: to think about it. And then he's like, hey, Bella,
Speaker 2: do you love me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Just a lot of team drama. So I then
Speaker 3: saw the book end. It's just that she is like,
Speaker 3: I want to be a vampire and he's like, we'll see.
Speaker 1: And they haven't even kissed her.
Speaker 2: He kisses her neck because she's like, I want this forever,
Speaker 2: and he was like is this good enough for wait?
Speaker 2: I want this forever? And he's like are you sure?
Speaker 2: Are you ready now? And she said yes, and then
Speaker 2: she tilts her head back and she exposes her neck
Speaker 2: to him, and then he brings his mouth to her neck,
Speaker 2: and it's like, is he gonna bite her? No, he's
Speaker 2: just gonna kiss her with her ice cold lips on
Speaker 2: that actually ice cold.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: I like disgusted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cold hands on you all the time.
Speaker 4: Even though he's ice cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be the biggest killer for me. Right,
Speaker 3: person attracted dad word for sure. But except for the
Speaker 3: cold like cold hands, cold body, cold.
Speaker 1: Breathe, I love it. I'm a cold person. I don't
Speaker 1: want cold. Do you guys want to hear some good ready?
Speaker 4: I would love to.
Speaker 1: Okay. This is from Shannon aka Draft Days. She says,
Speaker 1: oh my, this book to me is like chocolate, a delicious, sinful,
Speaker 1: addictive indulgence which you convince yourself has beneficial qualities, saying
Speaker 1: calcium keeps me quiet at that time of month. In
Speaker 1: order to justify your addiction by beneficial qualities, I mean
Speaker 1: that it's reading, and since one is reading bad.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like there are calories.
Speaker 1: And then there are like yeah, I know. The only
Speaker 1: reason Meyer gets away with it as well as she
Speaker 1: does is because Twilight doesn't try to be anything it's not,
Speaker 1: and it has such conviction. Only Meyer could get away
Speaker 1: with giving our narrator name like Isabella Swan. I guess
Speaker 1: it's true.
Speaker 2: Maybe this person didn't like the Swan man growing up.
Speaker 1: And then she basically goes over. Another thing I loved
Speaker 1: was all the vampire miths Meyer scrapped. Here. This is
Speaker 1: for you, Sabrina. These vampires aren't burnt to ash by sunlight.
Speaker 1: Their marble skin glitters as sunlight is broken into miniscal
Speaker 1: shards like diamonds, hence why they're living in forks. But
Speaker 1: the sun hardly ever shines. They're not hurt by crucifixes
Speaker 1: or steaks through the heart. They do not sleep at all,
Speaker 1: nor do they eat human food. They drive fast.
Speaker 6: Wait those are those are typicals?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They drive fast cars, really really fast, and they
Speaker 1: can fall in love.
Speaker 4: This person really understood the book.
Speaker 2: I don't think that person understood how to write a
Speaker 2: review very well. It was like she dispels all these things.
Speaker 4: They drive cars.
Speaker 2: It's not the classic vampire lore that vampires can't drive
Speaker 2: cars fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Zoe.
Speaker 7: She's five stars.
Speaker 1: She says, No, it's not the best written book, but
Speaker 1: it is incredibly entertaining to read, and it has so
Speaker 1: many wonderful memories attached to it. I probably won't reread
Speaker 1: the rest of the series anytime in the future, but
Speaker 1: I hope too someday.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it feels like she and I are kind
Speaker 2: of on the same page.
Speaker 3: She definitely doesn't understand the time continue on them.
Speaker 1: No, No, she definitely doesn't. This person says, I'd love
Speaker 1: to write a vampire novel series one day, just once.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the second male league get the girl. Oh,
Speaker 1: she says Jacob. Jacob, Jacob, how I adore you? See?
Speaker 6: You can't think that.
Speaker 4: This is some a liar who has read more than
Speaker 4: book one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, that's a liar who's just watched the movie.
Speaker 4: You know what, let's reply to this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you reply, reply with the podcast.
Speaker 1: I want to end with this review, which is confusing
Speaker 1: because the name says v Parental Guidance Alert. A Court
Speaker 1: of Wings in Ruin is a new adult erotica, but
Speaker 1: Goodreads editors won't tell you.
Speaker 7: That's the name of the person giving this review.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of people ripping this book to pieces and
Speaker 1: secretly devouring it.
Speaker 7: I don't believe you for a second. He didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And then she says, I don't want a guy watching
Speaker 1: me in my sleep in real life. That's creepy. Bella
Speaker 1: could have gotten I've killed multiple times if it hadn't
Speaker 1: been for edward stalker tendencies. Again in real life, I
Speaker 1: don't want to date a stalker in a fictional realm,
Speaker 1: some things are necessary to keep a woman a vampire
Speaker 1: loves alive.
Speaker 7: And the reader's turning the pages.
Speaker 1: And if Stephanie Byer is such a bad writer, by
Speaker 1: all means, go and write a better book.
Speaker 7: Good luck. And with that, let's get any agents pushing
Speaker 7: you for your book.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was a very vindictive wow, which I didn't
Speaker 2: based on the name. I thought the name whoever gave
Speaker 2: that review was going to say this is.
Speaker 5: Smut, yeah, anti Christians smut, but instead she really called
Speaker 5: me out.
Speaker 4: Ask a question, is the book fifty Shades of Gray
Speaker 4: a Twilight fan?
Speaker 1: Yes? It is? It is?
Speaker 2: Really Yeah what.
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought about it constantly while reading this because
Speaker 1: it makes it makes so much sense. It's basically like
Speaker 1: the vampire pain is just like that's b ds.
Speaker 2: Wait, we're using the word fan fiction liberal liberally.
Speaker 1: Start stand and it was somebody was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this same same exact story, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to put it instead of vampires, I'm putting b DSAM
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 7: And then people liked it and the fan fiction realm,
Speaker 7: and then she turned it into a.
Speaker 1: Book what.
Speaker 6: Not that I need to read that I've never read.
Speaker 1: That it's different because there she's older, like they make it.
Speaker 2: That does make it better.
Speaker 4: Edwards, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a control scene seen.
Speaker 4: The first movie because Sarah made I didn't Valentine's.
Speaker 6: I did a lot of people do that on Valentine's State.
Speaker 6: It's actually it.
Speaker 7: Comes out everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they're over now, but I should watch
Speaker 1: the other ones now.
Speaker 7: I want to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was another book I didn't quite finish
Speaker 1: because it got bored to me after the sex.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how it's not abuse it is.
Speaker 1: That's what it's kind of like b d s M.
Speaker 1: It's not BDSAM is an abuse, no, but I mean
Speaker 1: the controlling ass controlling the other person is just an
Speaker 1: abusive thing to do. But that's kind of like where
Speaker 1: they're playing with it's like and it's confusing because in
Speaker 1: the same way that like, why is he interested in
Speaker 1: her because he's super hot and then are all these
Speaker 1: hot people working there.
Speaker 7: But he's like, I like the mousey, shy one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not mousy or shy, but I really
Speaker 2: I just could be. I could be, And I really
Speaker 2: relate to the right guy. I relate to being, you know,
Speaker 2: just bookish and just unapproachably beautiful. And I just feel
Speaker 2: like Belle and I have a lot in common. That sucks.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that you don't have that much in common
Speaker 4: with her.
Speaker 2: I like you the way you are. Thank you, I said,
Speaker 2: I do, I know, and I'm I say that I disagree.
Speaker 2: I'm unapproachably beautiful.
Speaker 6: Oh that's what I'm wearing.
Speaker 2: A shirt that says pizza on it and pizza and pastasis.
Speaker 3: Funny if it just had pizza, but it says pizza
Speaker 3: and passa nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 7: I'm very hungry looking at on the back.
Speaker 6: It's as legalized Marnera.
Speaker 4: We have fun here on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Good sure, goodbye, because we're not going to read any
Speaker 1: of the other books. Oh my god, Oh you want
Speaker 1: to tell us what happens.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you what I remember that happens, which
Speaker 2: is I have a very bad memory, but I remember
Speaker 2: the good.
Speaker 3: Stuffy can't be brought to read the book.
Speaker 2: So at some point, this other family comes into the
Speaker 2: picture and they are trying to I could be making
Speaker 2: a lot of this up. They're trying to take bell
Speaker 2: away because she has this power where she like blocks
Speaker 2: out the mind, so they want to get rid of her.
Speaker 2: Mostly I remember the romances. So we have Jacob and
Speaker 2: we have the love triangle with him, and he's like
Speaker 2: really really drawn to her, and she's really drawn to
Speaker 2: him too, but it always feels like in some way
Speaker 2: she's friend zoning him.
Speaker 4: And yeah, werewolf.
Speaker 2: He is a werewolf, and I think he discovers his
Speaker 2: powers and is changing a little bit more in the
Speaker 2: next books. And the vampires and were wolves, as you
Speaker 2: can imagine, don't get along all that well. It's true blood,
Speaker 2: so they don't get along all that well. But they're
Speaker 2: both really protective of Bella. And at some point they
Speaker 2: have to go live in like a tree somewhere so
Speaker 2: that they can be away. And then there's a lot
Speaker 2: of snow at one point, and.
Speaker 6: They really, so I'm getting somewhere. So we eventually found
Speaker 6: out that it is Edward and Bella.
Speaker 2: Edward and Bella are the couple that are going to
Speaker 2: be together, and we're all like a little sad for Jacob,
Speaker 2: but he we've we've banded together at this point for
Speaker 2: some reason, Jacob and Edward and we're friends now. And
Speaker 2: Edward and Bella have sex, and I think that she's
Speaker 2: not a vampire yet, I think. So they have sex
Speaker 2: and she becomes pregnant, which is like, what is going
Speaker 2: to happen?
Speaker 4: And she gets pressed, he gets pregnant, stupid.
Speaker 2: But then she's going to give birth to someone who's
Speaker 2: half vampire and half human, and so I think the
Speaker 2: birth is maybe going to kill her. So as soon
Speaker 2: as she delivers, they have to he has to bite
Speaker 2: her and make her become a vampire.
Speaker 1: I think this is what that's their way.
Speaker 2: That's such a typical woman pregnant, a vampire and she
Speaker 2: has this kid who's half human half vampire, and.
Speaker 3: Then, oh my nineteen, at this point, not one article
Speaker 3: of clothing on like your socks.
Speaker 2: When he had sex, she becomes a vampire. They have
Speaker 2: this beautiful child, and then Jacob this half vampire child,
Speaker 2: which I hope that we get a serious about at
Speaker 2: some point. Jacob, he's a werewolf in the way that
Speaker 2: you find your soulmate, is you imprint on somebody. He
Speaker 2: imprints on their child. Oh so he imprints on the child,
Speaker 2: so when she comes of age they will be together.
Speaker 1: Ew. That's so gross.
Speaker 3: That's disgusting.
Speaker 2: That's what happens, Stephanie.
Speaker 1: But there's but there's more though, because isn't there some
Speaker 1: like they want to kill the baby. There's some like
Speaker 1: vampire group that wants to kill the baby or something
Speaker 1: the same Wikipedia, and they have to like go to
Speaker 1: vampire course.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe that's why the snow happens. And there's that
Speaker 2: family that's trying to kill Bella and the baby. And
Speaker 2: and El Fanning is an or Dakota Fanning.
Speaker 6: Is it a vamp?
Speaker 4: Is it is vampire inherited into the baby? Yes, so
Speaker 4: it's a vampire.
Speaker 6: And again this also kind of happened on Buffy.
Speaker 2: Well really more on Angel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does he I heard something about him breaking her
Speaker 3: pelvis when they have sex.
Speaker 2: I believe that that happens.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so fun because he's so strong
Speaker 1: and he can't control himself.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's telling.
Speaker 1: That's so, it doesn't it should only be enjoyable to
Speaker 1: the man. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: If they were thinking at all, she should have been
Speaker 3: on top because then she can control the.
Speaker 7: Good point.
Speaker 4: So not only does she get pregnant, pelvis breaks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that there's no way that baby is born.
Speaker 6: No, that baby is but.
Speaker 4: Out through a broken pelvis.
Speaker 7: I can't imagine being pregnant with a vampire baby.
Speaker 3: No, No, it sounds so horrible.
Speaker 6: I don't, okay, imagine it.
Speaker 4: Did the baby sucker blood or get food from the
Speaker 4: umbilical core?
Speaker 1: Question? My question?
Speaker 2: When the baby grows really quickly, that's something that happens.
Speaker 2: Very good plot device, so that we have like a
Speaker 2: child instead of a baby.
Speaker 3: I I I'm like disappointed. This is not what I expected.
Speaker 4: I wanted more romance.
Speaker 2: Straight.
Speaker 6: If I had a better memory, I think I could
Speaker 6: give you more.
Speaker 4: But I read this ten years not your fault is
Speaker 4: what's your name?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Yeas suburban.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then she's like, well the cast roles burned
Speaker 5: and it was made of blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I've talked a lot of shit on the book,
Speaker 5: but I got to say, it was really helpful. I
Speaker 5: mean the community is like, my commute is the worst
Speaker 5: my life. It's slow, and it's you know, very stop go.
Speaker 5: I have no control over it. And when I listened
Speaker 5: to Twilight on it, it took me to another It
Speaker 5: took me to Forks, Washington, and I could really get
Speaker 5: through and it was like, Wow, it's my stop already.
Speaker 4: So I got to give it. What if I give
Speaker 4: it five books, No, that's way too many. Let me
Speaker 4: give it four books out of five books because it
Speaker 4: helped me commute.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I have shown my hand a little
Speaker 2: bit that I liked the book the first time I
Speaker 2: read it, and I actually just remembered that when I
Speaker 2: was reading one of them, I had to drive somewhere
Speaker 2: and I it on audible because I couldn't not finish
Speaker 2: the book and I had to go somewhere that was
Speaker 2: like a three hour drive away.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's worth five because there's no sex
Speaker 6: in this book.
Speaker 4: So four, right, interesting, that's the thing that took it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it really did take it down for me.
Speaker 1: No sex and the fact that I think this book
Speaker 1: was less problematic than some of the other books we've read.
Speaker 2: It was far less probably and maybe that is painting
Speaker 2: a weird picture in my mind of what relationships should be.
Speaker 1: But I would give I guess I'd give it a
Speaker 1: three out of five. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: You don't have to know what well.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I hated the book, but I loved
Speaker 4: reading it.
Speaker 7: Four out of five. Yeah, that seems to be the
Speaker 7: most popular book.
Speaker 3: It was by far compared to the other books. This
Speaker 3: was a gem in the field of literature. It's a
Speaker 3: very bad book.
Speaker 2: Do you guys ever.
Speaker 4: Wonder if we're hurting our brains only reading bad books.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have said that to me. They've
Speaker 1: been like, you're doing this, you we're reading good books
Speaker 1: between and I was like, no, no, I am.
Speaker 3: I am reading good books, and I'm very worried about
Speaker 3: I read.
Speaker 6: Some good books in between. But my job is literally
Speaker 6: just reading all day every day. So I'm reading other
Speaker 6: stuff in between.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Watching Great British Bake Off right now.
Speaker 4: So I've been doing Drunk History. I love this show.
Speaker 1: I've been reading.
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Speaker 2: Paul Young. William I think his first name is William.
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