WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:22.359 We're getting into the giants this week, and I have 2 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.480 been wondering when we would revisit giants. We occasionally have 3 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:30.640 an author who has made some discoveries or has a 4 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:35.679 theory on giants in America and giants in Europe. Of course, 5 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:39.759 we know Hugh Newman and others have written extensively about 6 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:43.960 giants throughout the world. But today we're talking with a 7 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.799 returning guest, Adam Stokes, who has written a new book 8 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:51.399 on the Bigfoot, and according to him, there is great 9 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:56.039 reference to the Bigfoot in the Bible, and of course, 10 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.960 being a biblical scholar, he would know better than anyone. 11 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.480 And what is fascinating when we talk about giants is 12 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:09.359 his belief that an offshoot of the giants, the Nepheleme 13 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:16.200 people like Goliath, they are their genetics lead us to 14 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.400 the Bigfoot, which is also a giant, but a giant 15 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:24.760 cover with hair and extremely muscular. The one thing that's 16 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:28.280 fun about having Adam on the program, not only does 17 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.400 he locate a number of references in the Book of 18 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:36.040 Genesis and the Book of Daniel and the Book of 19 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:42.519 Enoch for giants, he actually references great details from the 20 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.640 Book of Enoch, which I didn't realize was filled with 21 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:51.599 a number of references to giants. Now, what he does 22 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:58.640 not reference is bigfoot directly. But bigfoot, as I mentioned, 23 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.599 is an offshoot. Now I'm here in northern California and 24 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:08.159 the Sasquatshes, which is the indigenous name for bigfoot, have 25 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:18.479 legends of meeting with and cohabitating with the bigfoot. And 26 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:24.879 in some respects you can appreciate these stories, or I 27 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:28.520 should say, oral traditions. But what's sad is that it 28 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.919 doesn't seem like there is an actual community or a 29 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:39.840 bond or a exchange in commerce with these creatures. And 30 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.680 I think I remember years ago and I was curious 31 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:47.759 about bigfoot, that for a long time a bigfoot were hunted, 32 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.759 and this might be the reason why they are so 33 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.800 hard to find, so hard to identify. And when we 34 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:58.240 do see them, they're fleeting moments. They come into vision, 35 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:03.520 come into camera frame, and then they're gone. They're gone 36 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:07.280 very quickly. Now, if you watch TV and you watch 37 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.199 Unexplained in some of these History Channel specials on the 38 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:16.039 big Foot, there are tremendous a number of recordings that 39 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.439 have been made of them calling out to other big 40 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:26.039 feet and wailing or we don't know. We have no 41 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:30.919 idea how they communicate. You would think that there are 42 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:38.039 somewhat intelligent, though, because to date there's no evidence. We 43 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:43.080 have no physical evidence, we have no skeletal remains. What 44 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.000 we have our footprints, and I've seen a few of them. 45 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:52.280 They're monstrous. We have pieces of hair, matted hair, and 46 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.599 that's about it. And you would think that we would 47 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:59.120 find a skeletal remain of one of these guys. And 48 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.199 they're big, over seven feet tall, they weigh three to 49 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:07.719 four hundred pounds, and they're always described at least the 50 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:13.759 males are described as muscular. So is it a genetic 51 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:20.600 disposition that they are so big and strong, or is 52 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:25.120 that through the exercise they too in the forest, you know, 53 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:30.120 passing through making huts, living quarters. Case, we don't know, 54 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.959 hard to say, but it's a question that we do 55 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:39.600 ask today of our biblical expert, Adam Stokes. So today's 56 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:44.680 program is the Biblical Bigfoot, Discovering the Biblical origins of 57 00:04:44.720 --> 00:05:08.839 America's most famous cryptid. And my guest is Adam Oliver Stokes. 58 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:33.839 Bigfoot's everywhere in the United States. Here in California, it's Sasquatch, 59 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.720 NATO's column Sasquatch. And we've had a few people talk 60 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:44.879 about Bigfoot on the program, not necessarily with any great depth, 61 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.800 but it's always interesting to talk about Bigfoot. And my 62 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:53.319 returning guest today is Adam Stokes. And Adam is a 63 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.399 biblical scholar, and he has written a new book called 64 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:03.000 The Biblical Bigfoot, which I find interesting. The subtitle is 65 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:08.920 Discovering the Biblical Origins of America's most famous Kryptoid, which 66 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.040 is a topic that we have covered off and on, 67 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:15.199 and I'm having him on the program because this is 68 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.360 a First of all, it's always good to have Adam 69 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:20.279 on the program because we want to talk about the Bible, 70 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.160 his interpretation of some of the strange occurrences in the Bible, 71 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.000 but also talk about Bigfoot. So hey, Adam, welcome back 72 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.079 to Earth Ancients. Good to see you, and I want 73 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:35.920 to know why you decided on Bigfoot. 74 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.160 Great to be Backcliff. Well, as I said in the 75 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.680 opening of the book, I think I feel like I've 76 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.160 jumped the shart here jumps completely off the cliff, but 77 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.759 I don't care. I'm happy to do. So what really 78 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.279 got me interested in Bigfoot? I've had interest in Bigfoot 79 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:54.040 for a long time, ever since I was a kid. 80 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.800 I watched Harry and the Henderson's with John Leckow. Oh right, yeah, yeah, 81 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:03.600 finding big Foot. But I was drawn to Bigfoot, especially 82 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.519 in the past ten years or so by my own 83 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.000 interest in giants, and Bigfoot is like the penultimate giant here, 84 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.199 like you said, in the United States. So Bigfoot was 85 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.079 always in the back of my mind whenever I did 86 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:22.040 research on giants of any type, reading Fritz Zimmerman, reading 87 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.839 Jim Vieira, Bigfoot was always in the back of my mind. 88 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.759 But what really kind of drew this out, and I 89 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.839 mentioned this in the book, is a trip I took 90 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.240 to the Poconos. We have like a little time share 91 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.360 thing there, and I went with my wife, my two boys, 92 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.720 and my god daughter at the time. She lives in 93 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:46.160 Boston now. But we went to the Poconos and there's 94 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.519 this place called Bushkill bush Kills Falls, which is cliff 95 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.839 It's absolutely gorgeous. Absolutely Where's tell people where the Poconos are. 96 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:00.160 Poconos are all over the place, but mainly in the 97 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:05.519 region the Central Pennsylvania, Central Pennsylvania. It's really convenient. We 98 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.360 love going up there. Well, I love going up there. 99 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.800 My wife prefers going someplace else, but we've gone up 100 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:12.759 there for my birthday. We've gone up there quite a 101 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:17.160 few times for summer vacations, and it's only about two 102 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:21.199 hours away from where we live, so it's very convenient 103 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.519 to get to. But this was two years ago. So 104 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:26.600 we decided to do a summer vacation to the Poconos 105 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.480 and we ended up at Bush Chill Falls and we 106 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:30.839 wanted to take a picture. We just wanted to take 107 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.159 a picture at the Nice volcano, because not the volcano, 108 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.000 the waterfall. There's no volcano, the Nice waterfall that's there. 109 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:42.399 And what happened is that I've found out that this 110 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:47.440 place is world renowned for bigfoot lore, for bigfoot sightings, 111 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:50.720 and they totally take advantage of that. At the visitor 112 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.159 center there, there's a bunch of bigfoot merchandise that you 113 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:57.840 can get. But Bigfoot supposedly has been cited all throughout 114 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.080 all throughout this region. And I took a couple of 115 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.360 pictures with a bigfoot standy with a bigfoot cutout, and 116 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.480 this really I couldn't get bigfoot out of my head 117 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.720 after this, and so for the rest of this summer, 118 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.519 I started going to my local library, checking out books, 119 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.360 doing research on bigfooks. I didn't know outside the people 120 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:19.679 on the show Finding Bigfoot. I didn't know too much 121 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.960 about Bigfoot myself. You know, what are you know some 122 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.759 of the more famous stories about Bigfoot? What's the footage 123 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.279 that they that people have? Is it spurious? Is it legit? 124 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.919 I didn't know any of these questions. So I started 125 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.879 off with some of kind of the children's literature, just 126 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:37.600 to get it overall, just to get a quick summary 127 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.120 of Bigfoot. And then I went to kind of the 128 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:43.639 more kind of academic literature, the very Deep stuff. Nick 129 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:49.759 Redfern as a whole kind of Bigfoot Bible compendium that 130 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:53.039 I drew heavily on. And so as I started doing 131 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.159 research on Bigfoot, I didn't know where I was going 132 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.399 with all this research. I know, I wanted to do 133 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.960 something with giants. I wanted to get back into giants. 134 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:02.639 I published a book on giants, as you know, from 135 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.799 Egypt to Ohio about oh my gosh, six years six 136 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.600 or seven years ago. So I wanted to return to 137 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.159 the land of the giants with Bigfoot, but I wasn't 138 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.039 quite sure where to go. And as I kept doing 139 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:17.639 my research, I kept seeing connections between what I was 140 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.360 looking at and material I had covered in my previous book, 141 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:25.480 from Egypt to Ohio with biblical giants, and I started 142 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.080 to kind of find a bridge between the old world 143 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.080 and the New World. And what I concluded in my 144 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.720 research and in my arguments, and what basically became the 145 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:40.559 basis of the Biblical Bigfoot, was that Bigfoot is a 146 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.240 biblical creature and we can identify him to several figures 147 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.559 in Israelite history, in Israelite lore. 148 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.879 Okay, well, let's go back to prehistory, which would be 149 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:58.480 the Book of Genesis. Do you find that the Bigfoot 150 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:02.919 parallels some of the giants that you featured in earlier works. 151 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.000 Is there something? Because the thing that I see about 152 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:12.559 Sasquatch Bigfoot is that he is huge haminin that's a 153 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:18.919 big creature, a big human. But this the version, the change, 154 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:24.639 the difference is that he's got a body of hair, 155 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:30.720 almost animal like. So what's your feeling on the genesis 156 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:31.080 of that? 157 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:37.559 Yeah, so I think that Bigfoot has a lot of parallels, 158 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.080 indeed a direct connection with many of the giants in 159 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.399 the Bible. If you look at the giants in the Bible, 160 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.840 they're not nice guys. And I've mentioned this before. They're 161 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.720 not nice guys. Goliath, for example, the most famous giant, 162 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:53.840 he's a jerk. He's kind of an ah. I don't 163 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.159 want to swear on your show, but he's kind of 164 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.720 he's kind of a jerk. And when you look at 165 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:05.600 the earliest giant, the nephel Lem in Genesis six, literally 166 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.320 from the Hebrew potter simple meaning the fallen ones or 167 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.440 the ones who are falling. They're later translated in the 168 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.240 Greek and Latin versions of the Bible as gagantes or giants. 169 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.320 And I think that the nephilimen in the Bible are 170 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:24.120 a reference to a pre biblical civilization. I think Atlantis 171 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.679 if I had to identify it exactly. They're not nice guys. 172 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.480 Either they're having these it seems like forced or either 173 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.519 or whether it's forced for or for experimentation. They're having 174 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.679 these sexual relations with the daughters of men, the bane 175 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.480 and bane and Osh, so we are so uh, they're 176 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.440 just they're just not not nice creatures. And when you 177 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.759 look at the description of Bigfoot and a lot of 178 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.720 the eyewitness accounts of him, Bigfoot's going around stealing stuff, 179 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.279 killing animals, even attacking people at times. Now, where does 180 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.279 why is Bigfoot Harry, like you said, is so the 181 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.519 giants aren't really mentioned as harry creatures in the Bible, 182 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.440 So where does that connection come from. Well, it's my 183 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.200 contention that a lot of these giants, for their behavior, 184 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.200 and this gets kind of into the religious and metaphysical, 185 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.840 were cursed by some type of higher power, God, whatever 186 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:28.600 however you want to label that. But this curse resulted 187 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:34.879 in them kind of wanderingly, wandering aimlessly around the world, 188 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.919 and over the course of time, by wandering aimlessly, by 189 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.279 not really having a sense of direction or purpose, just 190 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:47.639 this hostility towards people. Basically cliff their hygiene went out 191 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.120 the window. So they start to grow hair, they start 192 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:55.200 to become matted, kind of more beast like, more beast 193 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.120 like than human. But underneath all that, their origin can 194 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:04.120 be traced back to back to the Biblical giants. Okay, 195 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.080 so we talked about the Nephelin and we get all 196 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.000 types of different sizes. I think that you reference some 197 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.440 of the giants in the Bible as being at least 198 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:19.039 seven feet, but if you were to give them a 199 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:23.480 range of heights and body mass, what would that be 200 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.399 six foot nine to seven above seven feet and three 201 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:31.000 hundred pounds plus or yeah, about seven feet. I'd say 202 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.480 within the range. We're talking about some very very tall 203 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.399 people here, so I'd say between seven feet and nine feet, 204 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.279 sometimes going up to twelve feet. It depends on how 205 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.360 you understand the Hebrew term cubit or emma in Hebrew, 206 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.519 so a cubit if we're translating that into you know, 207 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:56.240 modern terminology, I'd say between seven and nine feet, but 208 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.480 sometimes going up, going up to twelve And if you 209 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.879 look at all all the biblical giants, like Bigfoot, they're 210 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.720 very they are very strong creatures, so at least three 211 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:13.360 hundred pounds, very muscled, very yeah, very very strong. 212 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.799 Okay, so they're not something crazy like twenty feet tall. 213 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:20.600 They're more like no, no, or. 214 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:25.519 Like a modern center a basketball player. Yeah, I would 215 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:29.000 say that they're much more densely muscled. Yes, yes, so 216 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.440 a very very buff basketball player. Think of their height 217 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.519 is slightly a few more feet. Yes, yeah, that's still 218 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.120 pretty amazing. I stood next to a person who's seven 219 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.559 feet tall, and it's just like it's a different human. 220 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.679 I'm five foot two and funny enough, I did my 221 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.759 undergrad undergradit duke. So, I knew quite a few members 222 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:53.320 of the basketball team, both men's basketball and women's basketball, 223 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:55.320 and I always looked like I always looked like a 224 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:56.240 midget compared to them. 225 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:57.240 Wow, amazing. 226 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.840 They're wonderful people, absolutely wonderful people. But I you put 227 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.080 as you put us next to each other, and I 228 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:03.399 looked like I look super small. 229 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.080 Now, as a religious scholar, you bring up the Book 230 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.159 of Daniel as a reference point. What does the Book 231 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:16.639 of Daniel provide that is a highlight of either giants 232 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:18.080 or the bigfoot? 233 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:23.159 Yes, so, Book of Daniel one of my favorite books 234 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.480 we have in it, I argue this, I argue for 235 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:31.720 this in biblical bigfoot. We have a pattern that we 236 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.279 see throughout biblical stories, not just uh the story of 237 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.240 Nebuknezer in the Book of Daniel, but also the story 238 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.440 of Cain in the Book of Genesis. Now I can 239 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.840 talk some more about that as well. Where As I said, 240 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.360 there's this higher power or this higher force that seems 241 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.639 to curse these creatures, these giants seem to be under 242 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:56.320 some type of curse to wander and to behave and 243 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.559 to even look talk. Going back to what you said, 244 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.440 about you know, their hairy appearance to look the way 245 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.919 they do. So in the Book of Daniel, there is 246 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.559 the story of Nebuka Nezer. Nebukannazer is very famous. He 247 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:14.440 is the king of Babylon and in chapter four, so 248 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.400 Nebuknezer is the king who is basically responsible for the 249 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:22.559 destruction of Jerusalem in five eighty six BCE. And he 250 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.799 is basically the master of the world, of the head 251 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.480 honcho of the world at that time in the late 252 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:34.240 sixth sorry the early sixth century. So he is depicted 253 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:40.200 as very prideful, as very arrogant. Even in the archaeological 254 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.400 evidence that we have for him, he is depicted. He 255 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:47.119 depicts himself kind of very arrogantly. He literally there's a 256 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:52.240 relief in the at the University of Chicago Museum, and 257 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.640 he basically makes the King of Jerusalem Zetekai, who he's 258 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:01.079 taken away into captivity. He makes him basically his toilet seat. 259 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.720 So there's a relief with Nebukannas are sitting on top 260 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:09.680 of king of King Zedekiah. Basically, yeah, King Zedekiah is 261 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.079 his toilet. So he's in his own images, in his 262 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:16.279 own iconography that he wanted he's defeat picked it very proudly, 263 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:22.119 very arrogantly. And in Daniel chapter four, he gives this 264 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.440 speech about how great he is, and as soon as 265 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:28.240 he gives that speech, he is struck down, and it 266 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:30.839 says that he'll become like a beast of the field. 267 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:35.759 He won't have his senses, so he basically won't be sane. 268 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:41.359 But also more importantly, and to tie into Bigfoot, the 269 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.839 description of what becomes what happens to his body is 270 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.079 very similar to what we have with the description of Bigfoot. 271 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.920 He'll become hairy, he'll become as the beast the earth, 272 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.599 his nails won't be trimmed, his nails and become claws. 273 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.799 And so what I argue here is that Bigfoot is 274 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:02.880 an example of this type of cursed person that we have, 275 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.240 this cursed gigantic person that we have in the Bible 276 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.279 and Nebukanezer. When you look at how he's depicted, not 277 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.039 just in the Old Testament but in other contemporary ancient 278 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.720 Eastern documents, he was depicted as you know, larger, larger 279 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.680 than stature. So this is this kind of cursed giant. 280 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.440 Is a motif. I'd say more than the motif because 281 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.160 I think it's it actually occurred. Is kind of a 282 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:32.079 thing that we get throughout the biblical stories Nebukinezer Caine, 283 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.119 and then in my book I bring in some Lata 284 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.039 day Saint material, so the Book of Mormon for example. 285 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.480 But this is something that we get in a lot 286 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:46.119 of ancient Israel, Israel like documents works that are deemed 287 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.720 to be from ancient Israel of this cursed giant figure 288 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.559 and Bigfoot falls into this category. 289 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.039 So when you say cursed, if we look at it 290 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.119 in a modern, modern terminology, can we say that this 291 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:06.920 is possibly genetic dysfunction, someone who's gotten really big that 292 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:13.319 may have not grown to the height or the weight naturally. 293 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:18.079 This could have been a defective genetic person. And this 294 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.359 is the weird smell and the hair and stuff like that, 295 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.319 because it sounds like if defective mentally as well. Yeah, 296 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.279 so can you talk a little bit about that, because 297 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:34.519 if it's a branch of us homo sapien sabien, you know, 298 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:39.759 there's some abnormalities that are in place. Yeah. 299 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.880 Well, it's interesting you mentioned that, Kirk, because that brings 300 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.079 a cliff because you meant because there was an incident 301 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:50.640 twenty seventeen about a decade ago cliff in sand Bardino 302 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:55.440 of San Bernardino Forest where this woman claimed to have 303 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.519 seen the Sasquatch, and she gives a couple. He describes 304 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.359 him with four different features, covered in thick, dark hair. 305 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:10.400 His build was massive, as you already mentioned, very muscled, 306 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.359 and as she said, his face to get to your 307 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:18.759 point directly, his face was neanderthal like, which suggests that 308 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:25.599 you know, this could be a genetic variant of Homo sapiens. 309 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.720 So I don't think you necessarily need a religious explanation 310 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.039 for this. I think it can be explained religiously. So 311 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.039 the curse create the genetic variant. But there's some people 312 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:41.000 who would argue for purely, purely scientific explanation for Bigfoot, 313 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.759 that this we have a genetic anomaly here, somebody who 314 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.880 is distorted kind of mentally as well as physically, but 315 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:51.359 is related to us in some way. 316 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:56.119 We're going to take a short commercial break to allow 317 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:59.880 our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly 318 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:04.160 with my guests today, Adam Stokes discussing his latest book, 319 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:21.480 The Biblical Bigfoot. We'll be right back with you, O. 320 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.440 My guest today is Adam Stokes he is a biblical 321 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.240 scholar and has written a new book called The Biblical Bigfoot. 322 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.480 And this is a look at the beginnings the ancient 323 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:12.759 history of giants and it's offshoot which we now understand 324 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:20.640 our big feet or sasquatch. You know, it's funny you 325 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:26.880 mentioned the neanderthal looking description. I think some of the 326 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:29.160 early and this is turn of the century, just some 327 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:34.440 of the early sightings and then the reproductions of the 328 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.119 site is they look like Neanderthal. Yeah, so you know, 329 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.279 I wonder if there's confusion of this being a true 330 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:46.559 Neanderthal and have nothing to do with Homo sapien at all. 331 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:52.680 Yeah, So there's so the antelope mountains hairy man dating 332 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.440 to the eighteen hundred and eighteen seventy nine so described 333 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.960 kind of Neanderthal like features. And yeah, a bunch of 334 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.440 a bunch of others, like you said, definitely at the 335 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.400 turn of the century, about a bunch of other the 336 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.920 initial sightings of Bigfoot before we get into the modern 337 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:12.240 contemporary ones that are so famous that everybody knows is 338 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.440 described as kind of the Neanderthal type of creatures. So 339 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.400 I do think there's something there. I would say, Uh, 340 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.200 and even with the giants. You know, they have a 341 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.960 connection to us human beings as well. So I think 342 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.440 from a from a scientific standpoint, this may just be 343 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:32.920 another uh species of human that just got messed up 344 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.839 and that, but then that brings to the question how 345 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.839 they get messed up? Was this deliberate? Was there some 346 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.400 scientists who created these guys, as you know, I'm thinking 347 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.680 about Edgar Casey and Atlantean lore, or was this just 348 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:45.680 through evolution. 349 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.240 Let's talk about Casey for a minute, because he does 350 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:53.880 bring up hominins. Yeah, and you referenced Atlantis in the 351 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:59.240 very beginning of our our discussion here. If they are 352 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:04.680 a brand of human that lived on Atlantis, they were displaced, 353 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:06.960 I guess is what we would be thinking, right. 354 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:12.079 Yes, yes, So Casey argued that the Atlanteans themselves, if 355 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.200 you read his if you read his readings on Atlantis, 356 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:19.039 he argued that the Atlanteans themselves engaged in these scientific 357 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:24.160 experiments where they created these hybrid human creatures. So some 358 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.119 of them were half man half animal, which kind of 359 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.319 fits into the way Big Bigfoot behaves when you look 360 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.079 at contemporary accounts of him. Some of them were just 361 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.319 lesser human forms. They basically made them to be a 362 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:42.960 slave class for the Atlanteans. And then when Atlantis falls, 363 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:47.920 the final fall of Atlantis, which with Casey would correspond 364 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:53.599 to Plato's Atlantis about nine thousand BC, the Atlanteans, including 365 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:57.039 the creatures and their experiments get scattered to the four winds, 366 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:00.680 so they end up in Egypt, the up in China, 367 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:04.200 they end up in Europe, and they end up in America, 368 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.160 which is where Sasquatch rooms now. And they end up 369 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.039 specifically according to Casey, according to the Casey readings, they 370 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.519 end up in The Atlanteans end up in the Midwest, 371 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.200 where you have the Native American mounds, and as I 372 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.799 mentioned in my book, a lot of the sidings that 373 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.000 you know this well, Cliff, because you live in California, 374 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:23.039 a lot of the sidings, most of the signs of 375 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.880 Bigfoot are in California and Washington and Oregon. But you 376 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.079 also have a very significant number if you look on 377 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:37.599 the Bigfoot Research website in a track basically geography of Bigfoot, 378 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.839 you also have an extremely large number of Bigfoot sightings 379 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:45.839 in the Midwest, Ohio, Illinois, West Virginia. I was just 380 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.519 in West Virginia about a month ago, headed down to 381 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.799 Kentucky and there's a whole Bigfoot museum there. In fact, 382 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:54.599 you can go to the Mothmam Museum and then about 383 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.920 an hour away is the Bigfoot Museum. So you also 384 00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:59.799 have Bigfoot sightings in the Midwest as well. 385 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.279 Is there? I mean, I've always wanted to ask you 386 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.839 this as a scholar, why did they remove the Book 387 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.440 of Enoch from the Bible? Is it because it's too 388 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:16.880 metaphysical to sprinkled with some occult references and of course 389 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:19.640 unusual human activity. 390 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.960 Yes, So the Book of Enoch is is a great 391 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.000 example of these giant creatures again depicted. So you have 392 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.440 the watchers who are kind of good guys. Why you 393 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:34.279 have the giants who again have these sexual relations with 394 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:41.279 the daughters of humanity and the adam uh So they're 395 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.079 not they're not good. They're they're depicted, as you know, 396 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.880 wicked and evil, and they're basically the reason that in 397 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.759 the Book of Enonoch, God sends the flood to destroy humanity. 398 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.359 Book at Enoch one of my favorite books. I absolutely 399 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.359 love it. I read it maybe a couple of times 400 00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:02.559 every year. If if you'll if you know the Bible, well, 401 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.519