Speaker 1: We're getting into the giants this week, and I have
Speaker 1: been wondering when we would revisit giants. We occasionally have
Speaker 1: an author who has made some discoveries or has a
Speaker 1: theory on giants in America and giants in Europe. Of course,
Speaker 1: we know Hugh Newman and others have written extensively about
Speaker 1: giants throughout the world. But today we're talking with a
Speaker 1: returning guest, Adam Stokes, who has written a new book
Speaker 1: on the Bigfoot, and according to him, there is great
Speaker 1: reference to the Bigfoot in the Bible, and of course,
Speaker 1: being a biblical scholar, he would know better than anyone.
Speaker 1: And what is fascinating when we talk about giants is
Speaker 1: his belief that an offshoot of the giants, the Nepheleme
Speaker 1: people like Goliath, they are their genetics lead us to
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot, which is also a giant, but a giant
Speaker 1: cover with hair and extremely muscular. The one thing that's
Speaker 1: fun about having Adam on the program, not only does
Speaker 1: he locate a number of references in the Book of
Speaker 1: Genesis and the Book of Daniel and the Book of
Speaker 1: Enoch for giants, he actually references great details from the
Speaker 1: Book of Enoch, which I didn't realize was filled with
Speaker 1: a number of references to giants. Now, what he does
Speaker 1: not reference is bigfoot directly. But bigfoot, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: is an offshoot. Now I'm here in northern California and
Speaker 1: the Sasquatshes, which is the indigenous name for bigfoot, have
Speaker 1: legends of meeting with and cohabitating with the bigfoot. And
Speaker 1: in some respects you can appreciate these stories, or I
Speaker 1: should say, oral traditions. But what's sad is that it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there is an actual community or a
Speaker 1: bond or a exchange in commerce with these creatures. And
Speaker 1: I think I remember years ago and I was curious
Speaker 1: about bigfoot, that for a long time a bigfoot were hunted,
Speaker 1: and this might be the reason why they are so
Speaker 1: hard to find, so hard to identify. And when we
Speaker 1: do see them, they're fleeting moments. They come into vision,
Speaker 1: come into camera frame, and then they're gone. They're gone
Speaker 1: very quickly. Now, if you watch TV and you watch
Speaker 1: Unexplained in some of these History Channel specials on the
Speaker 1: big Foot, there are tremendous a number of recordings that
Speaker 1: have been made of them calling out to other big
Speaker 1: feet and wailing or we don't know. We have no
Speaker 1: idea how they communicate. You would think that there are
Speaker 1: somewhat intelligent, though, because to date there's no evidence. We
Speaker 1: have no physical evidence, we have no skeletal remains. What
Speaker 1: we have our footprints, and I've seen a few of them.
Speaker 1: They're monstrous. We have pieces of hair, matted hair, and
Speaker 1: that's about it. And you would think that we would
Speaker 1: find a skeletal remain of one of these guys. And
Speaker 1: they're big, over seven feet tall, they weigh three to
Speaker 1: four hundred pounds, and they're always described at least the
Speaker 1: males are described as muscular. So is it a genetic
Speaker 1: disposition that they are so big and strong, or is
Speaker 1: that through the exercise they too in the forest, you know,
Speaker 1: passing through making huts, living quarters. Case, we don't know,
Speaker 1: hard to say, but it's a question that we do
Speaker 1: ask today of our biblical expert, Adam Stokes. So today's
Speaker 1: program is the Biblical Bigfoot, Discovering the Biblical origins of
Speaker 1: America's most famous cryptid. And my guest is Adam Oliver Stokes.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot's everywhere in the United States. Here in California, it's Sasquatch,
Speaker 1: NATO's column Sasquatch. And we've had a few people talk
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot on the program, not necessarily with any great depth,
Speaker 1: but it's always interesting to talk about Bigfoot. And my
Speaker 1: returning guest today is Adam Stokes. And Adam is a
Speaker 1: biblical scholar, and he has written a new book called
Speaker 1: The Biblical Bigfoot, which I find interesting. The subtitle is
Speaker 1: Discovering the Biblical Origins of America's most famous Kryptoid, which
Speaker 1: is a topic that we have covered off and on,
Speaker 1: and I'm having him on the program because this is
Speaker 1: a First of all, it's always good to have Adam
Speaker 1: on the program because we want to talk about the Bible,
Speaker 1: his interpretation of some of the strange occurrences in the Bible,
Speaker 1: but also talk about Bigfoot. So hey, Adam, welcome back
Speaker 1: to Earth Ancients. Good to see you, and I want
Speaker 1: to know why you decided on Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Great to be Backcliff. Well, as I said in the
Speaker 2: opening of the book, I think I feel like I've
Speaker 2: jumped the shart here jumps completely off the cliff, but
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm happy to do. So what really
Speaker 2: got me interested in Bigfoot? I've had interest in Bigfoot
Speaker 2: for a long time, ever since I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I watched Harry and the Henderson's with John Leckow. Oh right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: finding big Foot. But I was drawn to Bigfoot, especially
Speaker 2: in the past ten years or so by my own
Speaker 2: interest in giants, and Bigfoot is like the penultimate giant here,
Speaker 2: like you said, in the United States. So Bigfoot was
Speaker 2: always in the back of my mind whenever I did
Speaker 2: research on giants of any type, reading Fritz Zimmerman, reading
Speaker 2: Jim Vieira, Bigfoot was always in the back of my mind.
Speaker 2: But what really kind of drew this out, and I
Speaker 2: mentioned this in the book, is a trip I took
Speaker 2: to the Poconos. We have like a little time share
Speaker 2: thing there, and I went with my wife, my two boys,
Speaker 2: and my god daughter at the time. She lives in
Speaker 2: Boston now. But we went to the Poconos and there's
Speaker 2: this place called Bushkill bush Kills Falls, which is cliff
Speaker 2: It's absolutely gorgeous. Absolutely Where's tell people where the Poconos are.
Speaker 2: Poconos are all over the place, but mainly in the
Speaker 2: region the Central Pennsylvania, Central Pennsylvania. It's really convenient. We
Speaker 2: love going up there. Well, I love going up there.
Speaker 2: My wife prefers going someplace else, but we've gone up
Speaker 2: there for my birthday. We've gone up there quite a
Speaker 2: few times for summer vacations, and it's only about two
Speaker 2: hours away from where we live, so it's very convenient
Speaker 2: to get to. But this was two years ago. So
Speaker 2: we decided to do a summer vacation to the Poconos
Speaker 2: and we ended up at Bush Chill Falls and we
Speaker 2: wanted to take a picture. We just wanted to take
Speaker 2: a picture at the Nice volcano, because not the volcano,
Speaker 2: the waterfall. There's no volcano, the Nice waterfall that's there.
Speaker 2: And what happened is that I've found out that this
Speaker 2: place is world renowned for bigfoot lore, for bigfoot sightings,
Speaker 2: and they totally take advantage of that. At the visitor
Speaker 2: center there, there's a bunch of bigfoot merchandise that you
Speaker 2: can get. But Bigfoot supposedly has been cited all throughout
Speaker 2: all throughout this region. And I took a couple of
Speaker 2: pictures with a bigfoot standy with a bigfoot cutout, and
Speaker 2: this really I couldn't get bigfoot out of my head
Speaker 2: after this, and so for the rest of this summer,
Speaker 2: I started going to my local library, checking out books,
Speaker 2: doing research on bigfooks. I didn't know outside the people
Speaker 2: on the show Finding Bigfoot. I didn't know too much
Speaker 2: about Bigfoot myself. You know, what are you know some
Speaker 2: of the more famous stories about Bigfoot? What's the footage
Speaker 2: that they that people have? Is it spurious? Is it legit?
Speaker 2: I didn't know any of these questions. So I started
Speaker 2: off with some of kind of the children's literature, just
Speaker 2: to get it overall, just to get a quick summary
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot. And then I went to kind of the
Speaker 2: more kind of academic literature, the very Deep stuff. Nick
Speaker 2: Redfern as a whole kind of Bigfoot Bible compendium that
Speaker 2: I drew heavily on. And so as I started doing
Speaker 2: research on Bigfoot, I didn't know where I was going
Speaker 2: with all this research. I know, I wanted to do
Speaker 2: something with giants. I wanted to get back into giants.
Speaker 2: I published a book on giants, as you know, from
Speaker 2: Egypt to Ohio about oh my gosh, six years six
Speaker 2: or seven years ago. So I wanted to return to
Speaker 2: the land of the giants with Bigfoot, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: quite sure where to go. And as I kept doing
Speaker 2: my research, I kept seeing connections between what I was
Speaker 2: looking at and material I had covered in my previous book,
Speaker 2: from Egypt to Ohio with biblical giants, and I started
Speaker 2: to kind of find a bridge between the old world
Speaker 2: and the New World. And what I concluded in my
Speaker 2: research and in my arguments, and what basically became the
Speaker 2: basis of the Biblical Bigfoot, was that Bigfoot is a
Speaker 2: biblical creature and we can identify him to several figures
Speaker 2: in Israelite history, in Israelite lore.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's go back to prehistory, which would be
Speaker 1: the Book of Genesis. Do you find that the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: parallels some of the giants that you featured in earlier works.
Speaker 1: Is there something? Because the thing that I see about
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Bigfoot is that he is huge haminin that's a
Speaker 1: big creature, a big human. But this the version, the change,
Speaker 1: the difference is that he's got a body of hair,
Speaker 1: almost animal like. So what's your feeling on the genesis
Speaker 1: of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that Bigfoot has a lot of parallels,
Speaker 2: indeed a direct connection with many of the giants in
Speaker 2: the Bible. If you look at the giants in the Bible,
Speaker 2: they're not nice guys. And I've mentioned this before. They're
Speaker 2: not nice guys. Goliath, for example, the most famous giant,
Speaker 2: he's a jerk. He's kind of an ah. I don't
Speaker 2: want to swear on your show, but he's kind of
Speaker 2: he's kind of a jerk. And when you look at
Speaker 2: the earliest giant, the nephel Lem in Genesis six, literally
Speaker 2: from the Hebrew potter simple meaning the fallen ones or
Speaker 2: the ones who are falling. They're later translated in the
Speaker 2: Greek and Latin versions of the Bible as gagantes or giants.
Speaker 2: And I think that the nephilimen in the Bible are
Speaker 2: a reference to a pre biblical civilization. I think Atlantis
Speaker 2: if I had to identify it exactly. They're not nice guys.
Speaker 2: Either they're having these it seems like forced or either
Speaker 2: or whether it's forced for or for experimentation. They're having
Speaker 2: these sexual relations with the daughters of men, the bane
Speaker 2: and bane and Osh, so we are so uh, they're
Speaker 2: just they're just not not nice creatures. And when you
Speaker 2: look at the description of Bigfoot and a lot of
Speaker 2: the eyewitness accounts of him, Bigfoot's going around stealing stuff,
Speaker 2: killing animals, even attacking people at times. Now, where does
Speaker 2: why is Bigfoot Harry, like you said, is so the
Speaker 2: giants aren't really mentioned as harry creatures in the Bible,
Speaker 2: So where does that connection come from. Well, it's my
Speaker 2: contention that a lot of these giants, for their behavior,
Speaker 2: and this gets kind of into the religious and metaphysical,
Speaker 2: were cursed by some type of higher power, God, whatever
Speaker 2: however you want to label that. But this curse resulted
Speaker 2: in them kind of wanderingly, wandering aimlessly around the world,
Speaker 2: and over the course of time, by wandering aimlessly, by
Speaker 2: not really having a sense of direction or purpose, just
Speaker 2: this hostility towards people. Basically cliff their hygiene went out
Speaker 2: the window. So they start to grow hair, they start
Speaker 2: to become matted, kind of more beast like, more beast
Speaker 2: like than human. But underneath all that, their origin can
Speaker 2: be traced back to back to the Biblical giants. Okay,
Speaker 2: so we talked about the Nephelin and we get all
Speaker 2: types of different sizes. I think that you reference some
Speaker 2: of the giants in the Bible as being at least
Speaker 2: seven feet, but if you were to give them a
Speaker 2: range of heights and body mass, what would that be
Speaker 2: six foot nine to seven above seven feet and three
Speaker 2: hundred pounds plus or yeah, about seven feet. I'd say
Speaker 2: within the range. We're talking about some very very tall
Speaker 2: people here, so I'd say between seven feet and nine feet,
Speaker 2: sometimes going up to twelve feet. It depends on how
Speaker 2: you understand the Hebrew term cubit or emma in Hebrew,
Speaker 2: so a cubit if we're translating that into you know,
Speaker 2: modern terminology, I'd say between seven and nine feet, but
Speaker 2: sometimes going up, going up to twelve And if you
Speaker 2: look at all all the biblical giants, like Bigfoot, they're
Speaker 2: very they are very strong creatures, so at least three
Speaker 2: hundred pounds, very muscled, very yeah, very very strong.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're not something crazy like twenty feet tall.
Speaker 2: They're more like no, no, or.
Speaker 1: Like a modern center a basketball player. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say that they're much more densely muscled. Yes, yes, so
Speaker 1: a very very buff basketball player. Think of their height
Speaker 1: is slightly a few more feet. Yes, yeah, that's still
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. I stood next to a person who's seven
Speaker 1: feet tall, and it's just like it's a different human.
Speaker 2: I'm five foot two and funny enough, I did my
Speaker 2: undergrad undergradit duke. So, I knew quite a few members
Speaker 2: of the basketball team, both men's basketball and women's basketball,
Speaker 2: and I always looked like I always looked like a
Speaker 2: midget compared to them.
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing.
Speaker 2: They're wonderful people, absolutely wonderful people. But I you put
Speaker 2: as you put us next to each other, and I
Speaker 2: looked like I look super small.
Speaker 1: Now, as a religious scholar, you bring up the Book
Speaker 1: of Daniel as a reference point. What does the Book
Speaker 1: of Daniel provide that is a highlight of either giants
Speaker 1: or the bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Yes, so, Book of Daniel one of my favorite books
Speaker 2: we have in it, I argue this, I argue for
Speaker 2: this in biblical bigfoot. We have a pattern that we
Speaker 2: see throughout biblical stories, not just uh the story of
Speaker 2: Nebuknezer in the Book of Daniel, but also the story
Speaker 2: of Cain in the Book of Genesis. Now I can
Speaker 2: talk some more about that as well. Where As I said,
Speaker 2: there's this higher power or this higher force that seems
Speaker 2: to curse these creatures, these giants seem to be under
Speaker 2: some type of curse to wander and to behave and
Speaker 2: to even look talk. Going back to what you said,
Speaker 2: about you know, their hairy appearance to look the way
Speaker 2: they do. So in the Book of Daniel, there is
Speaker 2: the story of Nebuka Nezer. Nebukannazer is very famous. He
Speaker 2: is the king of Babylon and in chapter four, so
Speaker 2: Nebuknezer is the king who is basically responsible for the
Speaker 2: destruction of Jerusalem in five eighty six BCE. And he
Speaker 2: is basically the master of the world, of the head
Speaker 2: honcho of the world at that time in the late
Speaker 2: sixth sorry the early sixth century. So he is depicted
Speaker 2: as very prideful, as very arrogant. Even in the archaeological
Speaker 2: evidence that we have for him, he is depicted. He
Speaker 2: depicts himself kind of very arrogantly. He literally there's a
Speaker 2: relief in the at the University of Chicago Museum, and
Speaker 2: he basically makes the King of Jerusalem Zetekai, who he's
Speaker 2: taken away into captivity. He makes him basically his toilet seat.
Speaker 2: So there's a relief with Nebukannas are sitting on top
Speaker 2: of king of King Zedekiah. Basically, yeah, King Zedekiah is
Speaker 2: his toilet. So he's in his own images, in his
Speaker 2: own iconography that he wanted he's defeat picked it very proudly,
Speaker 2: very arrogantly. And in Daniel chapter four, he gives this
Speaker 2: speech about how great he is, and as soon as
Speaker 2: he gives that speech, he is struck down, and it
Speaker 2: says that he'll become like a beast of the field.
Speaker 2: He won't have his senses, so he basically won't be sane.
Speaker 2: But also more importantly, and to tie into Bigfoot, the
Speaker 2: description of what becomes what happens to his body is
Speaker 2: very similar to what we have with the description of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: He'll become hairy, he'll become as the beast the earth,
Speaker 2: his nails won't be trimmed, his nails and become claws.
Speaker 2: And so what I argue here is that Bigfoot is
Speaker 2: an example of this type of cursed person that we have,
Speaker 2: this cursed gigantic person that we have in the Bible
Speaker 2: and Nebukanezer. When you look at how he's depicted, not
Speaker 2: just in the Old Testament but in other contemporary ancient
Speaker 2: Eastern documents, he was depicted as you know, larger, larger
Speaker 2: than stature. So this is this kind of cursed giant.
Speaker 2: Is a motif. I'd say more than the motif because
Speaker 2: I think it's it actually occurred. Is kind of a
Speaker 2: thing that we get throughout the biblical stories Nebukinezer Caine,
Speaker 2: and then in my book I bring in some Lata
Speaker 2: day Saint material, so the Book of Mormon for example.
Speaker 2: But this is something that we get in a lot
Speaker 2: of ancient Israel, Israel like documents works that are deemed
Speaker 2: to be from ancient Israel of this cursed giant figure
Speaker 2: and Bigfoot falls into this category.
Speaker 1: So when you say cursed, if we look at it
Speaker 1: in a modern, modern terminology, can we say that this
Speaker 1: is possibly genetic dysfunction, someone who's gotten really big that
Speaker 1: may have not grown to the height or the weight naturally.
Speaker 1: This could have been a defective genetic person. And this
Speaker 1: is the weird smell and the hair and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because it sounds like if defective mentally as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so can you talk a little bit about that, because
Speaker 1: if it's a branch of us homo sapien sabien, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some abnormalities that are in place. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you mentioned that, Kirk, because that brings
Speaker 2: a cliff because you meant because there was an incident
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen about a decade ago cliff in sand Bardino
Speaker 2: of San Bernardino Forest where this woman claimed to have
Speaker 2: seen the Sasquatch, and she gives a couple. He describes
Speaker 2: him with four different features, covered in thick, dark hair.
Speaker 2: His build was massive, as you already mentioned, very muscled,
Speaker 2: and as she said, his face to get to your
Speaker 2: point directly, his face was neanderthal like, which suggests that
Speaker 2: you know, this could be a genetic variant of Homo sapiens.
Speaker 2: So I don't think you necessarily need a religious explanation
Speaker 2: for this. I think it can be explained religiously. So
Speaker 2: the curse create the genetic variant. But there's some people
Speaker 2: who would argue for purely, purely scientific explanation for Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: that this we have a genetic anomaly here, somebody who
Speaker 2: is distorted kind of mentally as well as physically, but
Speaker 2: is related to us in some way.
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Speaker 1: with my guests today, Adam Stokes discussing his latest book,
Speaker 1: The Biblical Bigfoot. We'll be right back with you, O.
Speaker 1: My guest today is Adam Stokes he is a biblical
Speaker 1: scholar and has written a new book called The Biblical Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And this is a look at the beginnings the ancient
Speaker 1: history of giants and it's offshoot which we now understand
Speaker 1: our big feet or sasquatch. You know, it's funny you
Speaker 1: mentioned the neanderthal looking description. I think some of the
Speaker 1: early and this is turn of the century, just some
Speaker 1: of the early sightings and then the reproductions of the
Speaker 1: site is they look like Neanderthal. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's confusion of this being a true
Speaker 1: Neanderthal and have nothing to do with Homo sapien at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's so the antelope mountains hairy man dating
Speaker 2: to the eighteen hundred and eighteen seventy nine so described
Speaker 2: kind of Neanderthal like features. And yeah, a bunch of
Speaker 2: a bunch of others, like you said, definitely at the
Speaker 2: turn of the century, about a bunch of other the
Speaker 2: initial sightings of Bigfoot before we get into the modern
Speaker 2: contemporary ones that are so famous that everybody knows is
Speaker 2: described as kind of the Neanderthal type of creatures. So
Speaker 2: I do think there's something there. I would say, Uh,
Speaker 2: and even with the giants. You know, they have a
Speaker 2: connection to us human beings as well. So I think
Speaker 2: from a from a scientific standpoint, this may just be
Speaker 2: another uh species of human that just got messed up
Speaker 2: and that, but then that brings to the question how
Speaker 2: they get messed up? Was this deliberate? Was there some
Speaker 2: scientists who created these guys, as you know, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about Edgar Casey and Atlantean lore, or was this just
Speaker 2: through evolution.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Casey for a minute, because he does
Speaker 1: bring up hominins. Yeah, and you referenced Atlantis in the
Speaker 1: very beginning of our our discussion here. If they are
Speaker 1: a brand of human that lived on Atlantis, they were displaced,
Speaker 1: I guess is what we would be thinking, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So Casey argued that the Atlanteans themselves, if
Speaker 2: you read his if you read his readings on Atlantis,
Speaker 2: he argued that the Atlanteans themselves engaged in these scientific
Speaker 2: experiments where they created these hybrid human creatures. So some
Speaker 2: of them were half man half animal, which kind of
Speaker 2: fits into the way Big Bigfoot behaves when you look
Speaker 2: at contemporary accounts of him. Some of them were just
Speaker 2: lesser human forms. They basically made them to be a
Speaker 2: slave class for the Atlanteans. And then when Atlantis falls,
Speaker 2: the final fall of Atlantis, which with Casey would correspond
Speaker 2: to Plato's Atlantis about nine thousand BC, the Atlanteans, including
Speaker 2: the creatures and their experiments get scattered to the four winds,
Speaker 2: so they end up in Egypt, the up in China,
Speaker 2: they end up in Europe, and they end up in America,
Speaker 2: which is where Sasquatch rooms now. And they end up
Speaker 2: specifically according to Casey, according to the Casey readings, they
Speaker 2: end up in The Atlanteans end up in the Midwest,
Speaker 2: where you have the Native American mounds, and as I
Speaker 2: mentioned in my book, a lot of the sidings that
Speaker 2: you know this well, Cliff, because you live in California,
Speaker 2: a lot of the sidings, most of the signs of
Speaker 2: Bigfoot are in California and Washington and Oregon. But you
Speaker 2: also have a very significant number if you look on
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot Research website in a track basically geography of Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: you also have an extremely large number of Bigfoot sightings
Speaker 2: in the Midwest, Ohio, Illinois, West Virginia. I was just
Speaker 2: in West Virginia about a month ago, headed down to
Speaker 2: Kentucky and there's a whole Bigfoot museum there. In fact,
Speaker 2: you can go to the Mothmam Museum and then about
Speaker 2: an hour away is the Bigfoot Museum. So you also
Speaker 2: have Bigfoot sightings in the Midwest as well.
Speaker 1: Is there? I mean, I've always wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: this as a scholar, why did they remove the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch from the Bible? Is it because it's too
Speaker 1: metaphysical to sprinkled with some occult references and of course
Speaker 1: unusual human activity.
Speaker 2: Yes, So the Book of Enoch is is a great
Speaker 2: example of these giant creatures again depicted. So you have
Speaker 2: the watchers who are kind of good guys. Why you
Speaker 2: have the giants who again have these sexual relations with
Speaker 2: the daughters of humanity and the adam uh So they're
Speaker 2: not they're not good. They're they're depicted, as you know,
Speaker 2: wicked and evil, and they're basically the reason that in
Speaker 2: the Book of Enonoch, God sends the flood to destroy humanity.
Speaker 2: Book at Enoch one of my favorite books. I absolutely
Speaker 2: love it. I read it maybe a couple of times
Speaker 2: every year. If if you'll if you know the Bible, well,
Speaker 2: you'll know that the book of Enoch is actually quoted
Speaker 2: in the New Testament, in the Book of Jude. And
Speaker 2: I always mentioned that because religious fundamentalists, extremists will say, oh,
Speaker 2: the biblical canon is just what is quoted in the
Speaker 2: New Testament. If we go by even the definition or
Speaker 2: the criteria fundamentalist, we'd have to include the Book of
Speaker 2: Enoch in our cannon. And the Book of Enoch was popular,
Speaker 2: one of the most popular Christian books all the way
Speaker 2: up until the Council of Nicea in three twenty five,
Speaker 2: where they basically chose the books of the Bible that
Speaker 2: the official church wanted in their canon and reject.
Speaker 1: Let me just stop you real quick, Adam, why I've
Speaker 1: ever asked you this, But why were they were they
Speaker 1: threatened because this data in the Book of Enoch allows
Speaker 1: or refresh or refers humans to consider inner wisdom, meditative practices,
Speaker 1: and things that take away the need for church. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Enoch has a direct experience. He goes up
Speaker 2: to Heaven directly based on kind of his mystical knowledge
Speaker 2: and his mystical expertise. And I've always thought that one
Speaker 2: of the reasons that the Book of Enoch got removed.
Speaker 2: I think one of the suppression of history because it
Speaker 2: gives a much fuller account of the destruction of the
Speaker 2: world during the time of Noah. I think there's kind
Speaker 2: of a suppression there that the Church wanted. And I
Speaker 2: think also, I think you hit the nail on the headcliff.
Speaker 2: If we can get to Heaven by ourselves, if we
Speaker 2: can ascend like Enoch did to the watchers, then there's
Speaker 2: not really a need for the mediation of a priest
Speaker 2: or any type of priesthood. So I think both of
Speaker 2: these things were the way Enoch is depicted, as you know,
Speaker 2: having his own mystical journey through his own mystical enlightenment
Speaker 2: to the divine and the type of history that Enoch describes.
Speaker 2: I think both of those things were dangerous for the Church.
Speaker 1: So if you were to put a time frame that
Speaker 1: Enoch is describing Earth, would you say it's the plesticne
Speaker 1: period when the great flood is created or is Enoch
Speaker 1: before that?
Speaker 2: I think Enoch's describing events that are, you know, before that,
Speaker 2: maybe shortly before that, but I think he's describing events
Speaker 2: before that time. I think that there is and this
Speaker 2: is something I'd like to look into more. I think
Speaker 2: there's an even an enoch at Lanting connection, much even
Speaker 2: more so than what you get in Genesis six with
Speaker 2: these Nephelin, who, like I said, I believe are also
Speaker 2: from Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. Now, one of the things that I've always had
Speaker 1: confusion on, and I think there is a lot of confusion,
Speaker 1: is the level of intelligence of Bigfoot. Yeah, And because
Speaker 1: to date, we don't have a physical body, we have
Speaker 1: no physical remains, we have no recordings of a language.
Speaker 1: We have footprints everywhere, yes, and we have tufts of
Speaker 1: hair that have been analyzed and I can't remember what
Speaker 1: it comes up with. But what's the intelligence level? Would
Speaker 1: you say?
Speaker 2: We have some footage as well, But that's kind of controversial.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of the recent controversy with the
Speaker 2: with the Patterson Gimlin footage.
Speaker 1: Well, Patterson has been around said that was recorded in
Speaker 1: the seventies, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, But there was a recent there was a
Speaker 2: recent documentary that came out for sxx SW Film Festival
Speaker 2: back in March, back last month, where it supposedly had
Speaker 2: a dress rehearsal of the Patterson Gimlin footage. But people
Speaker 2: have been saying, personally, I think it's authentic. But people
Speaker 2: have been saying that it's been Some people have argued
Speaker 2: that's been a hoax. They've been arguing that for a
Speaker 2: very long time. So I don't think that this changes
Speaker 2: necessarily anything. But people it was a very big deal
Speaker 2: in the bigfoot community. I've been follow I've been following
Speaker 2: them and involved leads. Oh really about this new about
Speaker 2: this new documentary. So some people were saying this means
Speaker 2: it's a fake, other people saying, no, it's authentic. I
Speaker 2: still lean towards the authentic point of view. I mean
Speaker 2: it was analyzed by the North American Scientific Institute for
Speaker 2: and it took it. They paid like seventy thousand, seventy
Speaker 2: thousand or seventy grand to analyze it, and they said
Speaker 2: it was authentic.
Speaker 1: So were they frame by frame or something and look
Speaker 1: at the because of the original Wasn't it required on
Speaker 1: some film? It was? It was before digital cameras.
Speaker 2: It's for digital camera yeah wait before Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious. It's funny because with all our technology,
Speaker 1: including satellites, no one has any updated footage of these guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well they're very they kind of stick to the
Speaker 2: They kind of stick to the shadows. And I think
Speaker 2: that you know, this is part of the cursed giant
Speaker 2: motif that I mentioned before, that you know they're gonna wander,
Speaker 2: but they're always going to be kind of outside of
Speaker 2: the president, outside of people's uh, outside of people's view.
Speaker 2: So I think, going back to your point about the
Speaker 2: mental capacity of Bigfoot, I think it's Bigfoot's never in
Speaker 2: any of the accounts that are given about him. There's
Speaker 2: a there's a Mormon account, there is an LDS account
Speaker 2: where Bigfoot speaks, but by and large, Bigfoot never speaks.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot never even seems to be self aware. Bigfoot just
Speaker 2: seems to be a hostile creature, so he attacks, he
Speaker 2: steals things. There is one account, there is a very
Speaker 2: famous account, I think it's Goodman where the where Bigfoot
Speaker 2: does lead the end of visual to Osman's account, excuse me,
Speaker 2: Osman's account, where Bigfoot does lead the witness, Albert Osman
Speaker 2: to a bunch of other Bigfoots living in British Columbia.
Speaker 2: So it does seem to have some awareness there, But
Speaker 2: I think that its mental capacity is more like an animal.
Speaker 2: Think of a bear, or you know, a line or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: So in this account where this individual has led to
Speaker 1: other Bigfoot, is there any form of communication or is
Speaker 1: it just sign language?
Speaker 2: It didn't it seemed like sign language. I don't think
Speaker 2: for according to Osman, there was no actual communication with
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's strange, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So biologic. Like I said, there's an LDS account one
Speaker 2: of the LDS elders, Bigfoot talks to him and Bigfoot says,
Speaker 2: my purpose here is basically the wands of the earth
Speaker 2: and to cause trouble for people, to basically annoy people.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry saying that the bigfoots are telling who
Speaker 1: that this was.
Speaker 2: And so in Lara day Saint tradition, and I mentioned
Speaker 2: some of this in my book that there Cain, the
Speaker 2: first murderer, is connected with Bigfoot. And so there was
Speaker 2: one of the early one of the early Mormons, a
Speaker 2: guy named Wesley Smith. He was the president for the
Speaker 2: Hawaii branch, and he was also the son of the
Speaker 2: president of the church, Joseph Feldingsmith. He had a he
Speaker 2: had a conversation with Bigfoot, and according to this Bigfoot talked.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot said he had no home and he was a
Speaker 2: wandering in the earth, and he traveled to and fro
Speaker 2: he was miserable, and that his purpose was to cause
Speaker 2: trouble for human beings, because if he was going to
Speaker 2: be miserable, uh, they were going to be miserable as well.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's funny though, because we don't hear
Speaker 1: of any bigfoot killing anybody. We don't hear bigfoot burning
Speaker 1: down homes or rating campers or something like that. We
Speaker 1: hear them screaming and yelling and crying and scaring people.
Speaker 1: But for all we know, that could be communication of
Speaker 1: some kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what we do have some instances, and here's where
Speaker 2: I lean towards the view cliff kind of that Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is kind of is hostile. We do have instances, even
Speaker 2: ancient accounts, so Alexander the Great, going way back to
Speaker 2: Greek times. In the Anabis of Alexander, which is written
Speaker 2: in about eighty six CE, there is mention of a
Speaker 2: battle that took place between Alexander the Great many centuries
Speaker 2: before and some harry beast with harry men, harry men
Speaker 2: with claws and they had spears. And then more recently
Speaker 2: we have so basic the fouch monster, who's the inspiration
Speaker 2: for Boggie Creek. If you ever watched those movies the
Speaker 2: Legend of Boggie Creek, So there was a shootout there
Speaker 2: in Arkansas between a family and Bigfoot and then really yes,
Speaker 2: so that was the inspiration for the Boggie Creek films.
Speaker 2: And then you have a couple of other incidents where
Speaker 2: Bigfoot either attacks people. So, for example, in Texas you
Speaker 2: have the Novi DoD So, a Native American tribe, which
Speaker 2: says that you know, there's this hostile creature running around,
Speaker 2: and the creature would come and basically attack the European
Speaker 2: settlers were settling in the area and take away their possession.
Speaker 2: So we do have we do have instances where Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is hostile. Nick Redfern in his book he talks about
Speaker 2: a shootout that took place with Bigfoot where they tried
Speaker 2: to shoot at him, but Bigfoot seem to be unharmed.
Speaker 2: And again I think this goes back to tie it
Speaker 2: into my own research, this kind of cursed giant motif
Speaker 2: in the Bible, because in for example, the story of Kane,
Speaker 2: what happens to Kane, what's part of his curse? Well,
Speaker 2: he can't die, so whoever kills Kane, it'll fall on him. Sevenfold,
Speaker 2: So Caine is cursed to wander forever. So I say
Speaker 2: all day to say that there are some instances with
Speaker 2: Bigfoot where Bigfoot does seem in fact to be hostile.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the Bible for a minute, because
Speaker 1: I'm curious where does Goliath come from? Is he from
Speaker 1: a certain tribe of giants or is he just a
Speaker 1: freak who shows up as the lot the last of
Speaker 1: his kind? Kind of a situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so Goliath. Excellent point, Cliff, and I think
Speaker 2: that the answer would be both. So Goliath is to
Speaker 2: be from Ghat, which is one of the tribes of
Speaker 2: the Philistines, one of the families of the Philistines. Goliath
Speaker 2: also seems to have a connection with the anna Kim,
Speaker 2: who are these giant creatures who themselves have a relation
Speaker 2: to the Nephileine. Now this is interesting because the Nephylene
Speaker 2: were supposedly completely wiped out during the flood. But then
Speaker 2: you have these ana km who are basically the sons
Speaker 2: the children of the Nephilene, the children of the giants,
Speaker 2: who appear later on in the biblical narrative. So Moses
Speaker 2: and the Israelites leaving Egypt, they encounter these Anakim who
Speaker 2: are descended from the Nephelene. So apparently some of the
Speaker 2: Nephilene survived and Goliath seems to be related to them
Speaker 2: as well as being descended from one of the Philistine tribes.
Speaker 2: So what happened here likely intermarriage. There's probably a giant
Speaker 2: who intermarried, who enter bred with one of the Philistines,
Speaker 2: and the result of this was Goliath. Would you give
Speaker 2: Goliath the same height as these giants that you talk about,
Speaker 2: which is seven feet seven point five or something like that,
Speaker 2: or is he I mean some people have depicted Goliath
Speaker 2: as like twenty feet tall. Yep, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: he was that tall. No, no, but definitely between seven
Speaker 2: and nine feet yes. And Goliath's one of the small
Speaker 2: and I mentioned this in my previous book, From Egypt
Speaker 2: to Ohio. I think Goliath is one of the smaller giants.
Speaker 2: He's definitely the most famous giant in the Bible, But
Speaker 2: compared to other giants that we get, the Egyptian giant,
Speaker 2: the giant with six fingers, he is he's one of
Speaker 2: the smaller giants. Do you see if he's interbread with
Speaker 2: a human, Oh.
Speaker 1: He's inter reread with a human Do you see these
Speaker 1: giants coming to America during the destruction of Earth in
Speaker 1: this asteroid hit or do you see them coming over
Speaker 1: before that?
Speaker 2: I think again, Cliff, I think it's both. So they
Speaker 2: kind of they knew the root to the west to
Speaker 2: what is now America for many, many centuries, perhaps even millennia.
Speaker 2: So and we can kind of trace their route from
Speaker 2: the Near East into Europe with all this folklore that
Speaker 2: we get about hostile giants, and then into America where
Speaker 2: we get the the Native American traditions about hostile giants,
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and others. So I think that they had traveled.
Speaker 2: They traveled this route for time immemorial. Knowledge of this
Speaker 2: route was passed on to their descendants, and when bad things,
Speaker 2: you know, when catastrophes occurred, they would they would take
Speaker 2: this route. They would leave the Near East, sometimes even
Speaker 2: leave Europe and go over to the west to what
Speaker 2: is now is North and South America.
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Adam Stokes, discussing his latest book,
Speaker 1: The Biblical Bigfoot. Will be right back with you.
Speaker 3: Mindy.
Speaker 1: My guess today is Adam Stokes, who's written a new
Speaker 1: book called the Biblical Bigfoot, and this is a look
Speaker 1: at today's Bigfoot, but also where he stands historically. I'm
Speaker 1: curious to know if you have any reference to them
Speaker 1: being here already, uh, being a tribe that was in
Speaker 1: the forest. Perhaps you're talking about Pennsylvania, but perhaps other
Speaker 1: heavily forest areas on the east coast, in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: and eventually into the West coast. Because you made you
Speaker 1: made a good point that the indigenous people of the
Speaker 1: America's referenced them very early, you know, perhaps thousands of
Speaker 1: years before our written history. Yep.
Speaker 2: And they say that they're distinct from us. Now, remember
Speaker 2: Native Americans come from the land bridge of Siberia. They
Speaker 2: crossed there and migrated into into North America. And they're saying,
Speaker 2: we encountered these people who were different from us. We
Speaker 2: encount these people who were hostile to us. And so
Speaker 2: when you ask them for a Native American tradition, a
Speaker 2: lot of the Native American mounds, yes they were built
Speaker 2: by Native Americans, but in imitation of previous mounds built
Speaker 2: by these giants.
Speaker 1: How do the indigenous people of America describe Sasquatch In
Speaker 1: other words, can you align that with the biblical accounts
Speaker 1: and say that they, you know, crossed transoceanic travel to
Speaker 1: the Americas or are there references of them being here
Speaker 1: for thousands and thousands of years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there are references. So there are a ton
Speaker 2: of different creatures in Native American tradition. So you have
Speaker 2: the wen Dingo, the torrent, the Strendu, the Chinu, the Oma,
Speaker 2: and the Soakum. These are giant, kind of hairy creatures
Speaker 2: and they all very well fit the description of sasquatch.
Speaker 2: And those are part of various Native American traditions that
Speaker 2: have been passed down for thousands of years. So this
Speaker 2: creature seems to have whoever Sasquatch is or what the
Speaker 2: Sasquatches were, they they've been in North America for a
Speaker 2: very very long time.
Speaker 1: So you don't see the indigenous cultures trading with them
Speaker 1: or communicating.
Speaker 2: Cultures always want and they always want the European settlers
Speaker 2: who never listen, they always want to, you know, stay
Speaker 2: away from this creature. I think for many Native American tribes,
Speaker 2: and if you watch the show Finding Bigfoot, they'll talk
Speaker 2: to Native American tribes. Bigfoot is this kind of of
Speaker 2: sacred creature in both kind of an awe type of sense,
Speaker 2: in kind of majestic sense, but also in kind of
Speaker 2: a frightening, terrifying sense, who's both human and non human.
Speaker 2: And for the Native Americans, I don't want to necessarily
Speaker 2: speak for them, but I think that if you ask
Speaker 2: many of them, they would say, this is a creature,
Speaker 2: as a sacred creature. This is something that you know,
Speaker 2: we we don't touch, We don't involve ourselves with. If
Speaker 2: we see him, we see him. If if we don't,
Speaker 2: we don't. But we kind of, in other words, we
Speaker 2: just kind of let Bigfoot do his thing, kind of
Speaker 2: like how Native Americans view certain other types of animals. So,
Speaker 2: for example, you know the bear, Native Americans would say,
Speaker 2: you know, we're never supposed to just you know, hang
Speaker 2: out and live with the bears. The bears have their
Speaker 2: own kind of realm, their own kind of setting, their
Speaker 2: own kind of place. It's not for us to go
Speaker 2: in to to intrude on their space. Wre we just
Speaker 2: let them be. And I think a similar view Native Americans.
Speaker 2: Not to speak for all Native Americans, but I think
Speaker 2: many Native American tribes. May Native American figures would have
Speaker 2: the same view, the exact same view about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: That's amazing because we would think that they're intelligent, they'd
Speaker 1: want to commune with other hominins that are friendly to them,
Speaker 1: And you're painting a picture of almost a half animal
Speaker 1: like or a degenerative human who can't really function in
Speaker 1: the community.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I think I think that's the case.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at stories, even the initial
Speaker 2: contemporary accounts of Bigfoot from California and British Columbia in Canada,
Speaker 2: people would intrude onto bigfoot space, so they would do construction,
Speaker 2: they would be doing mining, they would be doing all
Speaker 2: types of stuff and it just led to a disaster.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot would destroy their stuff, Bigfoot would steal their stuff.
Speaker 2: So this is I think, whatever this creature is, Cliff,
Speaker 2: it is clearly incapable of existing with other people. And
Speaker 2: that kind of ties well into this this biblical motif
Speaker 2: again of this there's this cursed figure, this cursed giant
Speaker 2: who can never really who is never going to be
Speaker 2: settled around other people.
Speaker 1: In the Book of Daniel, which you reference, what do
Speaker 1: we know about the the very beginnings of these uh,
Speaker 1: these giants that turn into bigfoot? Do we say do
Speaker 1: they Does the book say God uh created this hominin
Speaker 1: to assist Adam and Eve or was he more of
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't think the Bible would say something
Speaker 1: that God created a servant human because that would be blasphemy.
Speaker 1: But what do you see as a as a scholar,
Speaker 1: what do you see as kind of the beginnings of
Speaker 1: how they were created?
Speaker 2: I think that in the beginning, they were, you know,
Speaker 2: created to be what's the word I'm looking for, you know,
Speaker 2: to have to have sense, what's the to to to
Speaker 2: be cognitive? They had the same senses that we do.
Speaker 2: But because of and you'll notice, there's a correlation between
Speaker 2: bad action and what becomes this kind of cursed hairy creature.
Speaker 2: So with Nebuka Nezzar, his pride resulted in him being
Speaker 2: temporarily cursed to basically be a bigfoot. Now that was temporary,
Speaker 2: he h, he gets restored, so that doesn't happen. Uh,
Speaker 2: that's not permanent. But with Cain, for example, the the
Speaker 2: curse is is permanent. So I think that they, you know,
Speaker 2: these these these whatever this creature was start off with
Speaker 2: cognitive abilities was very similar to us and kind of
Speaker 2: our our abilities, our senses. But because they did something
Speaker 2: bad because of their own wickedness, because of their wickedness,
Speaker 2: WI could behavior. This resulted in them kind of be
Speaker 2: evolving into this creature.
Speaker 1: Okay, where do we see these giants or even bigfoots
Speaker 1: in ancient history? Do we see them in Egypt? Because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are saying the giants
Speaker 1: built the pyramids, or the giants built and carved some
Speaker 1: of these colossi.
Speaker 2: You know, well, we have can we have ancient accounts
Speaker 2: of creatures who seem to be very similar to bigfoots.
Speaker 2: So the one I referenced earlier with Alexander the Great,
Speaker 2: So we have we have ancient accounts going back to
Speaker 2: Greek and Egyptian times of people encountering encountering this creature.
Speaker 2: Almost all civilizations, so not just in America, but around
Speaker 2: the world they have traditions of a big like creature.
Speaker 2: So the Cubans have the Jigu. I'm mispronouncing that the
Speaker 2: Cubans have a big foot. They have a big foot, Yes,
Speaker 2: the Chigu. Australia, the Australian Aborigines, they have the In
Speaker 2: Madagascar they have the Kelenoro and then in Brazil they
Speaker 2: have the map being Guari if I'm pronouncing that right.
Speaker 2: So that's a man beast creature who who basically haunts
Speaker 2: the people of Brazil and the stories of him. He's
Speaker 2: clearly a hostile creature, whoever this creature is. So, I
Speaker 2: think that we have similar occurrences of what we find
Speaker 2: in North America with the sasquatch, with the Bigfoot all
Speaker 2: over the world, and many of these traditions are very
Speaker 2: very old, the Aboriginal traditions, the Madagascar traditions, uh, they're
Speaker 2: they are very very old. And of course the Alita
Speaker 2: are a great one that I mentioned before.
Speaker 1: You know, if we have these uh populations of these
Speaker 1: huge hominins and they're obviously pro creating because they're still around,
Speaker 1: you would think that that that we would have some
Speaker 1: understanding of why they're here, you know, or have they
Speaker 1: de evolved into a like a animal of some kind and
Speaker 1: we just accept them rather than try to go out
Speaker 1: and study them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think people some people trying
Speaker 2: the people on finding Bigfoot. They they were they tried
Speaker 2: to study them. But I think the difficulty in this
Speaker 2: is that we're dealing with the de evolved creature. You know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like trying to catch a bear or
Speaker 2: trying to catch a lion. That's a difficult thing. And
Speaker 2: this is this is a creature that, in my view,
Speaker 2: is deliberately made to avoid other people. So I think
Speaker 2: there's a Yeah, I definitely think there's a de evolution here,
Speaker 2: and it's just whatever Bigfoot was, like Nebuknazer, he may
Speaker 2: admit he was a majestic, you know, a majestic person
Speaker 2: at one time, but it's de evolved into almost this
Speaker 2: completely animal like cret.
Speaker 1: Does the Book of Daniel have any passages where a
Speaker 1: giant is speaking to a regular person and describing their
Speaker 1: life or their existence. Even a passage from Goliath would
Speaker 1: be interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm in the Old Testament. Goliath does speak,
Speaker 2: but it's basically mainly to put down David, to yell
Speaker 2: insults at David and at the Israelites. But none of
Speaker 2: the giants give an account of their history. The best
Speaker 2: that we get is.
Speaker 1: In other.
Speaker 2: Non biblical literature, So the Book of Enoch we kind
Speaker 2: of get a story about the giants. We even have
Speaker 2: a book of giants in the Book of Enoch, and
Speaker 2: then in the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of my favorite
Speaker 2: Near Eastern stories, we have some description about the giants.
Speaker 2: So when Gilgamesh meets Utnapishtim, who is basically the Gilgamesh
Speaker 2: version of Noah, so he makes the arc and escapes
Speaker 2: appeased them tells him about, you know, these giants who
Speaker 2: were causing trouble and this is why, uh, this is
Speaker 2: why the flood came. You mentioned that the Book of
Speaker 2: Enoch references the section on giants. What does it talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious just basically the origin of the giants. So
Speaker 2: as these fallen it's and it's very spiritual. As these
Speaker 2: kind of fallen spiritual creatures in Christian theology terminology, we
Speaker 2: call them demons.
Speaker 1: Are they damned? Are they a damned race?
Speaker 4: Very much?
Speaker 1: And I wonder what what do they do to be damned?
Speaker 2: Sexual un solicited uh, sexual relations with human women. But
Speaker 2: they also going back to kind of your question about
Speaker 2: the cognitive futures of Bigfoot, the giants in the Book
Speaker 2: of Enoch are seen as having because they were once
Speaker 2: great and now fallen. They have this spiritual occult knowledge
Speaker 2: that is is that is very very important. And Enoch
Speaker 2: draws on that in kind of his own spiritual development.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
Speaker 2: He doesn't throw out the baby with the bath water. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the giant with the ocean water.
Speaker 1: I should say, yes, I think you know, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Book of Enoch. I think the Bible would
Speaker 1: be a much fun, much better read if we kept
Speaker 1: that in there.
Speaker 2: I wish we had kept it too well. There is
Speaker 2: a book. There's a book called a New New Testament,
Speaker 2: and the author that puts in a lot of the
Speaker 2: apocryphal literature that has that was rejected by the churches.
Speaker 2: So he has the Gospel of Thomas in there, the
Speaker 2: Gospel of Judas. I think he might have the Book
Speaker 2: of Enoch as well. But yes, it definitely should be
Speaker 2: in our biblical cannon.
Speaker 1: The books called the Biblical Bigfoot, discovering the Biblical origins
Speaker 1: of America's most famous cryptid. And my guest today has
Speaker 1: been Adam Stokes. As we conclude, Adam, how should we
Speaker 1: look at bigfoot sasquestion? That sas question not going away?
Speaker 1: They're gonna be here. Is there something that we can
Speaker 1: use Perhaps AI can can dissect and present new data
Speaker 1: that we can use to perhaps try to communicate with
Speaker 1: them in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think ultimately, and I hope that
Speaker 2: you know, with the advances of AI, this will definitely
Speaker 2: help with you know, the Bigfoot research that is going on,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people who have looked into
Speaker 2: this phenomenon way before, you know, I start looking at
Speaker 2: it now and way after. So Bigfoot's not going away
Speaker 2: like you said, he's he's not going away at all.
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, AI will be significantly helpful
Speaker 2: to Bigfoot researchers. On a more personal level, I think
Speaker 2: Bigfoot is a cautionary tale. So if we look at
Speaker 2: the history of giants in the Bible and in other
Speaker 2: literature as well, kind of a being that fell through
Speaker 2: their pride. I think we as you know, sentient human beings,
Speaker 2: that's cognitive human beings. We need to, you know, take
Speaker 2: that into consider in looking at ourselves and our own actions.
Speaker 2: Don't be so prideful, because you may end up like
Speaker 2: Nebu Canezer and like the Sasquatch out in the woods,
Speaker 2: out in the forest running around.
Speaker 1: But nickd so, oh my god, what a way to conclude.
Speaker 1: There has to be some consideration for their ability to
Speaker 1: elude us, because I know, I've read about expeditions that
Speaker 1: are funded in the millions trying to find Bigfoot, trying
Speaker 1: to photograph them, trying to get evidence for their habitation,
Speaker 1: where they're living, in what they're doing, and you hear
Speaker 1: these stories of people running into them. I think there
Speaker 1: was a story a few years ago of a woman
Speaker 1: who was kidnapped and stayed with them. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was true or not. Yeah, yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's some intelligence there that were not recognized because they're
Speaker 1: eluding us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that, and that might just be there,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I said, there might just be their
Speaker 2: fate to always be elusive to us, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2: But we we do have, you know, testimony of hundreds
Speaker 2: or not thousands of people, and I think that testimony
Speaker 2: is strong enough. And some of the footage, like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm a believer of the passing Gimblin footage, So I
Speaker 2: think some of this footage shows us that clearly these
Speaker 2: creatures exist.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna give you the last word, tell
Speaker 1: us about Bigfoot and some some closing thoughts on the uh,
Speaker 1: the subject matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Bigfoot, like I said, is not going
Speaker 2: anywhere anywhere, just in any case, whether he's hostile or
Speaker 2: he's like Harry the Henderson's a fascinating, a fascinating creature.
Speaker 2: And I do think that his we can we can
Speaker 2: find out something about his origins by looking through ancient records,
Speaker 2: through ancient leg I think that they can give us
Speaker 2: enlightenment as on who this creature is, even if the
Speaker 2: creature him or herself doesn't want us to see or
Speaker 2: know anything about them.
Speaker 1: Fantastic, Adam, always a pleasure. The book The Biblical Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon.
Speaker 2: What Amazon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, give us your social media references so people can
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Speaker 2: Absolutely so. I'm on Facebook. If you just look up
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Speaker 2: to friend me through those right.
Speaker 1: And you're You're still a theology professor at East Coast
Speaker 1: School right.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I haven't taught theology in a while, but I did
Speaker 2: teach for about twelve or thirteen years, and they cut
Speaker 2: back on a lot of the faculty. So it was
Speaker 2: nothing personal, not even not even my own writings or anything,
Speaker 2: but just they were cutting back on faculty. But yes,
Speaker 2: I taught theology and religion for many, many years.
Speaker 1: Very good Adam, Always a pleasure, and good luck on
Speaker 1: this new book.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Cliff, always great talking to you.
Speaker 1: If you didn't catch the Mound Builder's presentation with Jason Pintrell,
Speaker 1: you should check that out. He gets into the Edena
Speaker 1: Mounds and he says, the largest bones that they found
Speaker 1: is in the six' nine six'. Ten range that's a.
Speaker 1: Big human that's like one of our. Basketball players and
Speaker 1: if you've stood next to a basketball player that's almost
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Speaker 1: god anyhow The biblical bigfoot opened some new doors, for
Speaker 1: us and that's some. Interesting research so Thanks. To Adam. Adam,
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