Speaker 1: Jackson Junior Sports the Jesse Junior Show. He talked.
Speaker 2: On thought provoking Thursdays, our conversations with a Tiba have
Speaker 2: commenced to TIBA, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: He's always good to be here.
Speaker 2: So just before the break, we're having a conversation about
Speaker 2: about the way forward, about what's next. I know that
Speaker 2: you want, you want to get there, but I do
Speaker 2: want to say this politically. By the time Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King Junior starts meeting with Lyndon Johnson and thinking some
Speaker 2: of the great thoughts about the interconnectedness of reality and red, yellow, brown,
Speaker 2: black and white, all of us having something in common
Speaker 2: in this inescapable bond of mutuality. He engaged in a
Speaker 2: life of base politics Pastor Ebenezer Baptist Church Montgomery, Selma,
Speaker 2: Atlanta based politics. First Negroes had to follow him, and
Speaker 2: when he had a solid base of us, then he
Speaker 2: was able to offer a national and international, a global
Speaker 2: vision from a base of support Er Washington, when he
Speaker 2: ran for mayor of Chicago, started with the black community
Speaker 2: and built out to Hispanics and to whites. Jesse Jackson
Speaker 2: didn't have a chance in nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 2: if he didn't have Cedar Rapids and Iowa City and
Speaker 2: Black churches in Chicago and black churches in New Hampshire
Speaker 2: and South Carolina and the South to preach in. And
Speaker 2: of course he won all of the debates that he
Speaker 2: participated in with all the white folks who was on
Speaker 2: the stage. Base politics. What makes Tabis Smiley a national
Speaker 2: leader of Black people KBLA man? Tavis wakes up every
Speaker 2: day talking to black vote and then by the time
Speaker 2: he makes it to Washington and makes it to the
Speaker 2: news and he's able to argue our case and earn
Speaker 2: the respect of the broader population. He starts with the
Speaker 2: base politics. And one of the challenges that I have
Speaker 2: is I don't run off and leave the base man.
Speaker 2: I am not leaving Negro people. Man. I got to
Speaker 2: get something to eat first. So here's my theory about that.
Speaker 2: In this hour, they shot that white woman in her
Speaker 2: face in Minnesota, Miss good she's LGBTQ. But in Minnesota
Speaker 2: they are locking up black and brown people. That's all
Speaker 2: they're looking for, are black and brown people in the
Speaker 2: middle of this election. That's all they're looking for. In
Speaker 2: Chicago in the middle of this election. That's exactly why
Speaker 2: they terrorized DC under the Trump administration. That is exactly
Speaker 2: why they're in these blue cities Los Angeles because of
Speaker 2: black mayors. We have not seen a white mayor hardly
Speaker 2: yet except for what's happening in Minneapolis. Well, I want
Speaker 2: to go to the rainbow politics. I want to get
Speaker 2: to what's next. But at the end of reconstruction, brother,
Speaker 2: we are under attack. Help me with with what's next
Speaker 2: in that context, because that is exactly what doctor King
Speaker 2: confronted when young people said, I get your dream, Doc,
Speaker 2: but do you see what's happening in our streets?
Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3: And in no way am I, you know, saying, in
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form, let's leave each other.
Speaker 1: I'm more so.
Speaker 3: Saying how do we lock arms together and how do
Speaker 3: we move forward together?
Speaker 1: And not just us?
Speaker 3: Because if we just keep thinking about us, we will
Speaker 3: consistently be a minor issue in this country. We have
Speaker 3: been trying to do that for sixty years.
Speaker 1: Since doctor King wrote where do we Go from here?
Speaker 3: It's been almost sixty years and we're still having the
Speaker 3: same conversation, and we still don't want to hold one
Speaker 3: another accountable.
Speaker 1: We still don't want to say, well, hey, what did
Speaker 1: we miss in two thousand and eight we had eight years.
Speaker 3: We've seen someone now who's in the President's House, who
Speaker 3: over the course of five years, let's just say one year,
Speaker 3: because what we've seen right now is in this massive
Speaker 3: shift in the last year, is someone who had the
Speaker 3: president's House, the House, and the Senate. President Clinton at
Speaker 3: one point had the House, the presidency, and the Senate.
Speaker 3: President Obama for two years had the House, the presidency,
Speaker 3: and the Senate. What we have seen people tell us
Speaker 3: all the time what we can't do. We can't do
Speaker 3: this because we need to work with the other side,
Speaker 3: We need to do this and this and this. And
Speaker 3: yet we see someone who is in this office who
Speaker 3: has moved an agenda forward incredibly quickly.
Speaker 1: But we are always being told what we can't do.
Speaker 3: At some point unless we want the same thing to
Speaker 3: come back or sixty years from now, your great grandchildren
Speaker 3: having the same conversation. Some point, we have to recognize
Speaker 3: that it's insane to keep doing the same thing over
Speaker 3: and over again.
Speaker 1: Why are there so many you talked about before.
Speaker 3: The break that they are these machines that are now
Speaker 3: able to cut people's grass. Doctor King, in his book
Speaker 3: Sixty Years Ago, talks about automation, talked about how people
Speaker 3: would be losing their jobs. Where do we put such
Speaker 3: a lack of emphasis on education? Because part of the
Speaker 3: issue that we have here is when we're talking about
Speaker 3: I mentioned here are the numbers two trillion dollars Hispanic
Speaker 3: Latino community, one point six trillion dollars African American that's
Speaker 3: nearly four trillion dollars. But we're spenders, We're not producers.
Speaker 3: We don't ever ask ourselves about that. And what I'm
Speaker 3: saying here now is that not just to recognize where
Speaker 3: do we go from here? The question is how do
Speaker 3: we want this to look moving forward? And part of
Speaker 3: that is, Okay, I know I'm seeing people that are
Speaker 3: out there in the streets and people that are organizing
Speaker 3: and people that want to march, But what are you
Speaker 3: marching for?
Speaker 1: And what is your demand?
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this question to two point folks,
Speaker 3: can I just let me just finish this point I
Speaker 3: mentioned in the beginning November third, twenty twenty six. I
Speaker 3: would love to see our radio stations like Taviss, I
Speaker 3: would love to see our churches, our communities, our mosque,
Speaker 3: our churches, our synagogues. I would love to see organizations
Speaker 3: saying we're gonna march to go vote, because that's one
Speaker 3: thing that we can affect the difference. But if we're
Speaker 3: just saying we're just gonna go march in the streets
Speaker 3: and we're gonna confront people and we're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they're for some people, that is
Speaker 3: what they want to do, and I'm not telling them
Speaker 3: not to do it. But what I am saying is,
Speaker 3: let's figure out how we're gonna get out of this together,
Speaker 3: not just how we're gonna go vote together as black people,
Speaker 3: how we're gonna go vote together as Americans to change
Speaker 3: the narrative. Because we have congressional members that keep saying
Speaker 3: they're gonna do something or they can't do anything when
Speaker 3: they're in Congress and they're asking if they can't do it,
Speaker 3: it has to be us.
Speaker 2: Well, let me just say this, Satima, I got your
Speaker 2: critique of black folk, and I know we got to
Speaker 2: come forward in just a moment because nobody will save
Speaker 2: us for us. But us has been ingrained in me
Speaker 2: since I was a child. That's one of my father's
Speaker 2: all time refrains. Nobody will save us for us but us.
Speaker 2: But the reality is, even when we turn to each
Speaker 2: other as a community and look for solutions, everyone is
Speaker 2: still an individual oning off of individual consumer patterns. In
Speaker 2: the United States, doctor King says that materialism is a
Speaker 2: problem because we focus on ourselves and what we have
Speaker 2: and we don't see the collective. Hey, I get it,
Speaker 2: I get it. Here's the problem, though, brother, I believe
Speaker 2: racism is real, man, I believe I saint looking for nobody. Listen,
Speaker 2: if you didn't open your mouth and let somebody know
Speaker 2: you were a brother, they would ask you for your papers.
Speaker 2: And those of you who are not paying attention to
Speaker 2: a Teaba looks like he's Latina. A Latino? Yeah, anybody
Speaker 2: a lot of us do are. My producer looks like
Speaker 2: you're a Latina. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. When we come
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Speaker 2: KBLA Talk fifteen eighty we are on thought provoking Thursdays
Speaker 2: in our regular conversations with a Tiba. A Tiba Welcome
Speaker 2: forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: Good to be here, Jesse.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question of tea. But immigration
Speaker 2: officers a search assert a sweeping power to enter homes
Speaker 2: without a judge's warrant. Memo says, how do you feel
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 1: It's against the law period. I mean, what they're doing
Speaker 1: is wrong.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, my appeal is, you know what
Speaker 3: is the message that goes across to rural America to.
Speaker 2: Well before we get to America.
Speaker 1: But there is a reason why I asked no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, I want to finish this one. I want to
Speaker 2: finish this one. You go to rural America, whose homes
Speaker 2: do you think they're going in without a warrant? Who
Speaker 2: are they looking for? Rural America?
Speaker 1: That's where that's where my point is. See, we can't
Speaker 1: we can't combat.
Speaker 3: What's going on right now in urban America without figuring
Speaker 3: out how we're going to compete with rural America. And
Speaker 3: why do I say that the same healthcare issues that
Speaker 3: we face within our cities. They face the same issues
Speaker 3: with income inequality, whether not there's a farmer or whatever
Speaker 3: they do, they face.
Speaker 1: So the whole piece.
Speaker 3: Of this, and in terms of the country, is to
Speaker 3: divide us, is to make us feel and make us
Speaker 3: think that, oh, they're just attacking us. Well, Jesse, Jesse,
Speaker 3: But if you take us out, if you take us out,
Speaker 3: if you take all the immigrants out, who's going to
Speaker 3: be left to do the jobs that the people are doing.
Speaker 3: So the narrative, the question, the thing that that people
Speaker 3: don't talk about is, hey, they want you to do
Speaker 3: the jobs because somebody is.
Speaker 1: Going to have to do it.
Speaker 3: Everything won't be automated, everything won't be AI. The reason
Speaker 3: why I mentioned what I did, and I'm glad you
Speaker 3: talked about doctor King in terms of talking about racism
Speaker 3: and militarism and materialism, because I believe that what he
Speaker 3: wrote then is is more I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: what it's more important, because I didn't live in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty seven, but I know that it is just as
Speaker 3: important today as it was then. And part of the
Speaker 3: conversation that we have today is that we have more
Speaker 3: resources available to us, we have different ways that we
Speaker 3: can communicate, and there are more of us now than
Speaker 3: there were then. But again we have to figure out
Speaker 3: a different message. I grew up, I was born to
Speaker 3: parents who had joined the Nation of Islam. My mentality
Speaker 3: and the way that I think about things is about
Speaker 3: doing for self. I understood in terms of looking at
Speaker 3: when we talk about black separatism and black nationalism. Come
Speaker 3: on now, that was indoctrinating me at a very early age.
Speaker 3: And I also came to understand and to see that
Speaker 3: there are also ways, and I'll never forget. Listen to
Speaker 3: the stokely Carmichael and perhaps one of, if not the last,
Speaker 3: one of the last speeches that he taught, he spoke
Speaker 3: at the Washington Convention Center, and I'm pretty certain your
Speaker 3: dad was there, but he.
Speaker 1: Said that if you just take this one finger and
Speaker 1: you bend it, you can break it.
Speaker 3: But if you put all five of them together, you
Speaker 3: have strength, and then there's power and their strength and unity.
Speaker 3: And so my message is gonna consistently be as much
Speaker 3: as I want to see us be free, we're never
Speaker 3: gonna be free of these shackles, and we're never going
Speaker 3: to be free of what is going on. And if
Speaker 3: we're always basking and faced with fear.
Speaker 1: And my thing is.
Speaker 3: That people are looking for messages of hope, and they're
Speaker 3: looking for not just for us to keep talking about
Speaker 3: what the issues are. They're looking about what is it
Speaker 3: that I can do because the reality is what is
Speaker 3: going on right now is crazy. But we're fixed to
Speaker 3: our televisions, we're fixed to our social media, and all
Speaker 3: we're doing is we're fixed.
Speaker 1: That's what fear is for. That's why they want fear.
Speaker 3: That's why I keep talking about hope because in twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen and twenty twenty four, for some reason that we're
Speaker 3: not talking about, the country voted for fear. They voted
Speaker 3: for fear over hope. Why why did they vote for
Speaker 3: fear over hope? I believe doctor King was assassinated because
Speaker 3: not because of racism alone. He was assassinated because he
Speaker 3: spoke up against militarism. He was also questioning the morality
Speaker 3: of the materialism that was going on in this country
Speaker 3: and saying that as an African American community, we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Be asking for the equality that those whites had.
Speaker 3: He was saying that we should be pushing for something
Speaker 3: better than that, something that also brought along morality. America
Speaker 3: is facing its issues today because it has a problem
Speaker 3: with not just corruption, but morality even within our own
Speaker 3: communities that we don't want to speak about.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with that you get no pushback from me.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you keeping hope alive, but I am not
Speaker 2: going to ignore and I don't think we can ignore.
Speaker 2: Nor am I suggesting that you're ignoring the fact that Ice,
Speaker 2: by definition is going are going through communities looking for
Speaker 2: brown people, and the Constitution of the United States has
Speaker 2: been set aside allowing them to break in people's homes
Speaker 2: with masks on without a warrant. That is nothing short
Speaker 2: of terror. If that isn't the Jim Crow South, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the Jim Crow South is. You might say,
Speaker 2: don't call it the Jim Crow South, just call it
Speaker 2: something that Ice is doing. Hell no, I can't say that.
Speaker 1: It's not just.
Speaker 2: Black people everywhere, Black people everywhere. What happened to Rosa Parks,
Speaker 2: every bus rider felt that what happened to em attil
Speaker 2: at Tiba. Every person's who has a child that they
Speaker 2: sent South, felt that what happened to George Floyd. Every
Speaker 2: Negro in America understood what it meant to have a
Speaker 2: police officer's foot on your neck or your neon him.
Speaker 3: What about Nat Turner? What about Harriet Tubman? What about
Speaker 3: Frederick Douglas? What about Like we keep talking about the
Speaker 3: fifties and sixties as if slavery didn't happen, and what
Speaker 3: we are seeing today is the best time for us
Speaker 3: to be talking about the connection of capitalism to slavery,
Speaker 3: the connection of what we're seeing. These are nothing more
Speaker 3: of a slave catchers at some point, I do believe
Speaker 3: in my heart that some of them. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: all of them are going to turn that some of them.
Speaker 3: But the question also is who has dehumanized them to
Speaker 3: this extent the fifty thousand dollars that they got signing
Speaker 3: bonus and then says that they have to stay there
Speaker 3: for five years. We've seen what happened in Germany, whether
Speaker 3: the Castapo and others, we all have seen all these
Speaker 3: things play out before Jesse.
Speaker 1: But the question remains, where is the hope?
Speaker 3: Where is the hope amid all of this fear, because.
Speaker 1: We're not getting anywhere.
Speaker 3: Even you and I having this conversation about oh well,
Speaker 3: we're not talking about the roadsa parks in this way.
Speaker 1: Our issue within our own community is we don't.
Speaker 3: Talk about our history enough, and we act as if
Speaker 3: our rights began in the Civil rights movement. We have
Speaker 3: to go back to slavery, and we have to remember
Speaker 3: that no matter what they try to take out of
Speaker 3: their history books, we can still talk about our own
Speaker 3: history because we do know that he who controls the
Speaker 3: what media controls the narrative, where we can't think the
Speaker 3: media can't control us in our homes if we turn
Speaker 3: the TV off TV.
Speaker 2: I gotta let, I got, I got, I gotta say
Speaker 2: this before we head to the to the next time.
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm grateful for your contribution and your conversation,
Speaker 2: but in some ways, many of our rights to begin
Speaker 2: in the civil rights movement, and they're all under attack.
Speaker 2: Americans with Disability Act, part of the Civil Rights Act, LGBTQ.
Speaker 1: Rights, thirteen fourteen Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the human rights.
Speaker 1: We don't get there without thirteen fourteen and fifteen.
Speaker 2: Again, those are constitutional rights, but the statutory rights from
Speaker 2: implementation of the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments are the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act directly attacked just last
Speaker 2: week by Donald Trump. He says it was bad for
Speaker 2: white folks. Then, so he's coming after the sixty four
Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act. He says the same thing about the
Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act, and the Court's going to have the
Speaker 2: final say on that in short order. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior.
Speaker 2: You're listening to conversation with a T. But we'll get
Speaker 2: to the fifteenth Amendment next week. More than Jesse Jackson
Speaker 2: Junior show T. But thank you for your time. I
Speaker 2: appreciate you.
Speaker 1: By yes, all, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: We're coming back with Johnny Mack on KBLA Talk fifteen