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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Junior Sports the Jesse Junior Show. He talked.

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<v Speaker 2>On thought provoking Thursdays, our conversations with a Tiba have

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<v Speaker 2>commenced to TIBA, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 1>He's always good to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>So just before the break, we're having a conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>about the way forward, about what's next. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you want, you want to get there, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to say this politically. By the time Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 2>King Junior starts meeting with Lyndon Johnson and thinking some

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<v Speaker 2>of the great thoughts about the interconnectedness of reality and red, yellow, brown,

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<v Speaker 2>black and white, all of us having something in common

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<v Speaker 2>in this inescapable bond of mutuality. He engaged in a

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<v Speaker 2>life of base politics Pastor Ebenezer Baptist Church Montgomery, Selma,

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta based politics. First Negroes had to follow him, and

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<v Speaker 2>when he had a solid base of us, then he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to offer a national and international, a global

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<v Speaker 2>vision from a base of support Er Washington, when he

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<v Speaker 2>ran for mayor of Chicago, started with the black community

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<v Speaker 2>and built out to Hispanics and to whites. Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a chance in nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>if he didn't have Cedar Rapids and Iowa City and

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<v Speaker 2>Black churches in Chicago and black churches in New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 2>and South Carolina and the South to preach in. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course he won all of the debates that he

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<v Speaker 2>participated in with all the white folks who was on

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<v Speaker 2>the stage. Base politics. What makes Tabis Smiley a national

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<v Speaker 2>leader of Black people KBLA man? Tavis wakes up every

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<v Speaker 2>day talking to black vote and then by the time

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<v Speaker 2>he makes it to Washington and makes it to the

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<v Speaker 2>news and he's able to argue our case and earn

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<v Speaker 2>the respect of the broader population. He starts with the

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<v Speaker 2>base politics. And one of the challenges that I have

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<v Speaker 2>is I don't run off and leave the base man.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not leaving Negro people. Man. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>get something to eat first. So here's my theory about that.

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<v Speaker 2>In this hour, they shot that white woman in her

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<v Speaker 2>face in Minnesota, Miss good she's LGBTQ. But in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>they are locking up black and brown people. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>they're looking for, are black and brown people in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of this election. That's all they're looking for. In

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago in the middle of this election. That's exactly why

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<v Speaker 2>they terrorized DC under the Trump administration. That is exactly

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<v Speaker 2>why they're in these blue cities Los Angeles because of

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<v Speaker 2>black mayors. We have not seen a white mayor hardly

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<v Speaker 2>yet except for what's happening in Minneapolis. Well, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the rainbow politics. I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>to what's next. But at the end of reconstruction, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>we are under attack. Help me with with what's next

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<v Speaker 2>in that context, because that is exactly what doctor King

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<v Speaker 2>confronted when young people said, I get your dream, Doc,

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<v Speaker 2>but do you see what's happening in our streets?

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<v Speaker 1>So I hear what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>And in no way am I, you know, saying, in

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<v Speaker 3>any way, shape or form, let's leave each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more so.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying how do we lock arms together and how do

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<v Speaker 3>we move forward together?

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<v Speaker 1>And not just us?

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<v Speaker 3>Because if we just keep thinking about us, we will

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<v Speaker 3>consistently be a minor issue in this country. We have

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<v Speaker 3>been trying to do that for sixty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Since doctor King wrote where do we Go from here?

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<v Speaker 3>It's been almost sixty years and we're still having the

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<v Speaker 3>same conversation, and we still don't want to hold one

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<v Speaker 3>another accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>We still don't want to say, well, hey, what did

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<v Speaker 1>we miss in two thousand and eight we had eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen someone now who's in the President's House, who

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<v Speaker 3>over the course of five years, let's just say one year,

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<v Speaker 3>because what we've seen right now is in this massive

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<v Speaker 3>shift in the last year, is someone who had the

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<v Speaker 3>president's House, the House, and the Senate. President Clinton at

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<v Speaker 3>one point had the House, the presidency, and the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>President Obama for two years had the House, the presidency,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Senate. What we have seen people tell us

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<v Speaker 3>all the time what we can't do. We can't do

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<v Speaker 3>this because we need to work with the other side,

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<v Speaker 3>We need to do this and this and this. And

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<v Speaker 3>yet we see someone who is in this office who

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<v Speaker 3>has moved an agenda forward incredibly quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are always being told what we can't do.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point unless we want the same thing to

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<v Speaker 3>come back or sixty years from now, your great grandchildren

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<v Speaker 3>having the same conversation. Some point, we have to recognize

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<v Speaker 3>that it's insane to keep doing the same thing over

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<v Speaker 3>and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are there so many you talked about before.

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<v Speaker 3>The break that they are these machines that are now

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<v Speaker 3>able to cut people's grass. Doctor King, in his book

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty Years Ago, talks about automation, talked about how people

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<v Speaker 3>would be losing their jobs. Where do we put such

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<v Speaker 3>a lack of emphasis on education? Because part of the

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<v Speaker 3>issue that we have here is when we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned here are the numbers two trillion dollars Hispanic

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<v Speaker 3>Latino community, one point six trillion dollars African American that's

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<v Speaker 3>nearly four trillion dollars. But we're spenders, We're not producers.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't ever ask ourselves about that. And what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying here now is that not just to recognize where

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<v Speaker 3>do we go from here? The question is how do

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<v Speaker 3>we want this to look moving forward? And part of

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<v Speaker 3>that is, Okay, I know I'm seeing people that are

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<v Speaker 3>out there in the streets and people that are organizing

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<v Speaker 3>and people that want to march, But what are you

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<v Speaker 3>marching for?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is your demand?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you this question to two point folks,

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<v Speaker 3>can I just let me just finish this point I

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned in the beginning November third, twenty twenty six. I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to see our radio stations like Taviss, I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to see our churches, our communities, our mosque,

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<v Speaker 3>our churches, our synagogues. I would love to see organizations

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<v Speaker 3>saying we're gonna march to go vote, because that's one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that we can affect the difference. But if we're

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<v Speaker 3>just saying we're just gonna go march in the streets

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<v Speaker 3>and we're gonna confront people and we're gonna get hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that they're for some people, that is

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<v Speaker 3>what they want to do, and I'm not telling them

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<v Speaker 3>not to do it. But what I am saying is,

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<v Speaker 3>let's figure out how we're gonna get out of this together,

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<v Speaker 3>not just how we're gonna go vote together as black people,

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<v Speaker 3>how we're gonna go vote together as Americans to change

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<v Speaker 3>the narrative. Because we have congressional members that keep saying

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna do something or they can't do anything when

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<v Speaker 3>they're in Congress and they're asking if they can't do it,

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<v Speaker 3>it has to be us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me just say this, Satima, I got your

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<v Speaker 2>critique of black folk, and I know we got to

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<v Speaker 2>come forward in just a moment because nobody will save

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<v Speaker 2>us for us. But us has been ingrained in me

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<v Speaker 2>since I was a child. That's one of my father's

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<v Speaker 2>all time refrains. Nobody will save us for us but us.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality is, even when we turn to each

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<v Speaker 2>other as a community and look for solutions, everyone is

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<v Speaker 2>still an individual oning off of individual consumer patterns. In

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, doctor King says that materialism is a

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<v Speaker 2>problem because we focus on ourselves and what we have

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't see the collective. Hey, I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. Here's the problem, though, brother, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>racism is real, man, I believe I saint looking for nobody. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't open your mouth and let somebody know

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<v Speaker 2>you were a brother, they would ask you for your papers.

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<v Speaker 2>And those of you who are not paying attention to

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<v Speaker 2>a Teaba looks like he's Latina. A Latino? Yeah, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us do are. My producer looks like

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Latina. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. When we come

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<v Speaker 2>forward on kb Late Talk fifteen to eighty, only me

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<v Speaker 2>and Tavis look like we from the neighborhood. More on

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<v Speaker 2>we come forward on KBI.

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<v Speaker 1>Just cut your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna fall out before I cut it. More we

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<v Speaker 2>come forward, not forget to download our podcast here at

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<v Speaker 2>KBLA Talk fifteen eighty we are on thought provoking Thursdays

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<v Speaker 2>in our regular conversations with a Tiba. A Tiba Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to be here, Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you a question of tea. But immigration

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<v Speaker 2>officers a search assert a sweeping power to enter homes

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<v Speaker 2>without a judge's warrant. Memo says, how do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's against the law period. I mean, what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, you know, my appeal is, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>is the message that goes across to rural America to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well before we get to America.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a reason why I asked no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I want to finish this one. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>finish this one. You go to rural America, whose homes

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<v Speaker 2>do you think they're going in without a warrant? Who

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<v Speaker 2>are they looking for? Rural America?

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<v Speaker 1>That's where that's where my point is. See, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>we can't combat.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on right now in urban America without figuring

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<v Speaker 3>out how we're going to compete with rural America. And

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<v Speaker 3>why do I say that the same healthcare issues that

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<v Speaker 3>we face within our cities. They face the same issues

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<v Speaker 3>with income inequality, whether not there's a farmer or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole piece.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this, and in terms of the country, is to

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<v Speaker 3>divide us, is to make us feel and make us

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<v Speaker 3>think that, oh, they're just attacking us. Well, Jesse, Jesse,

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<v Speaker 3>But if you take us out, if you take us out,

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<v Speaker 3>if you take all the immigrants out, who's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be left to do the jobs that the people are doing.

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<v Speaker 3>So the narrative, the question, the thing that that people

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<v Speaker 3>don't talk about is, hey, they want you to do

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<v Speaker 3>the jobs because somebody is.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to have to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything won't be automated, everything won't be AI. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>why I mentioned what I did, and I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 3>talked about doctor King in terms of talking about racism

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<v Speaker 3>and militarism and materialism, because I believe that what he

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<v Speaker 3>wrote then is is more I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 3>what it's more important, because I didn't live in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixty seven, but I know that it is just as

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<v Speaker 3>important today as it was then. And part of the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation that we have today is that we have more

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<v Speaker 3>resources available to us, we have different ways that we

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<v Speaker 3>can communicate, and there are more of us now than

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<v Speaker 3>there were then. But again we have to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>a different message. I grew up, I was born to

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<v Speaker 3>parents who had joined the Nation of Islam. My mentality

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<v Speaker 3>and the way that I think about things is about

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<v Speaker 3>doing for self. I understood in terms of looking at

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<v Speaker 3>when we talk about black separatism and black nationalism. Come

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<v Speaker 3>on now, that was indoctrinating me at a very early age.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also came to understand and to see that

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<v Speaker 3>there are also ways, and I'll never forget. Listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the stokely Carmichael and perhaps one of, if not the last,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the last speeches that he taught, he spoke

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<v Speaker 3>at the Washington Convention Center, and I'm pretty certain your

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<v Speaker 3>dad was there, but he.

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<v Speaker 1>Said that if you just take this one finger and

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<v Speaker 1>you bend it, you can break it.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you put all five of them together, you

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<v Speaker 3>have strength, and then there's power and their strength and unity.

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<v Speaker 3>And so my message is gonna consistently be as much

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<v Speaker 3>as I want to see us be free, we're never

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be free of these shackles, and we're never going

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<v Speaker 3>to be free of what is going on. And if

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<v Speaker 3>we're always basking and faced with fear.

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<v Speaker 1>And my thing is.

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<v Speaker 3>That people are looking for messages of hope, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking for not just for us to keep talking about

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<v Speaker 3>what the issues are. They're looking about what is it

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<v Speaker 3>that I can do because the reality is what is

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<v Speaker 3>going on right now is crazy. But we're fixed to

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<v Speaker 1>That's what fear is for. That's why they want fear.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I keep talking about hope because in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen and twenty twenty four, for some reason that we're

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<v Speaker 3>not talking about, the country voted for fear. They voted

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<v Speaker 3>for fear over hope. Why why did they vote for

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<v Speaker 3>fear over hope? I believe doctor King was assassinated because

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<v Speaker 3>not because of racism alone. He was assassinated because he

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<v Speaker 3>spoke up against militarism. He was also questioning the morality

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<v Speaker 3>of the materialism that was going on in this country

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<v Speaker 3>and saying that as an African American community, we shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Be asking for the equality that those whites had.

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<v Speaker 3>He was saying that we should be pushing for something

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<v Speaker 3>better than that, something that also brought along morality. America

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<v Speaker 3>is facing its issues today because it has a problem

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<v Speaker 3>with not just corruption, but morality even within our own

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely agree with that you get no pushback from me.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you keeping hope alive, but I am not

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<v Speaker 2>going to ignore and I don't think we can ignore.

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<v Speaker 2>Nor am I suggesting that you're ignoring the fact that Ice,

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<v Speaker 2>by definition is going are going through communities looking for

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<v Speaker 2>brown people, and the Constitution of the United States has

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<v Speaker 2>been set aside allowing them to break in people's homes

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<v Speaker 2>with masks on without a warrant. That is nothing short

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<v Speaker 2>of terror. If that isn't the Jim Crow South, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the Jim Crow South is. You might say,

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<v Speaker 2>don't call it the Jim Crow South, just call it

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<v Speaker 2>something that Ice is doing. Hell no, I can't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just.

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<v Speaker 2>Black people everywhere, Black people everywhere. What happened to Rosa Parks,

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<v Speaker 2>every bus rider felt that what happened to em attil

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<v Speaker 2>at Tiba. Every person's who has a child that they

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<v Speaker 2>sent South, felt that what happened to George Floyd. Every

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<v Speaker 2>Negro in America understood what it meant to have a

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<v Speaker 3>What about Nat Turner? What about Harriet Tubman? What about

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<v Speaker 3>Frederick Douglas? What about Like we keep talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>fifties and sixties as if slavery didn't happen, and what

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<v Speaker 3>we are seeing today is the best time for us

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<v Speaker 3>to be talking about the connection of capitalism to slavery,

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<v Speaker 3>the connection of what we're seeing. These are nothing more

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<v Speaker 3>of a slave catchers at some point, I do believe

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<v Speaker 3>in my heart that some of them. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 3>all of them are going to turn that some of them.

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<v Speaker 3>But the question also is who has dehumanized them to

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<v Speaker 3>this extent the fifty thousand dollars that they got signing

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<v Speaker 3>bonus and then says that they have to stay there

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<v Speaker 3>for five years. We've seen what happened in Germany, whether

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<v Speaker 3>the Castapo and others, we all have seen all these

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<v Speaker 3>things play out before Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question remains, where is the hope?

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<v Speaker 3>Where is the hope amid all of this fear, because.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not getting anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Even you and I having this conversation about oh well,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not talking about the roadsa parks in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Our issue within our own community is we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about our history enough, and we act as if

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<v Speaker 3>our rights began in the Civil rights movement. We have

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to slavery, and we have to remember

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<v Speaker 3>that no matter what they try to take out of

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<v Speaker 3>their history books, we can still talk about our own

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<v Speaker 3>history because we do know that he who controls the

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<v Speaker 3>what media controls the narrative, where we can't think the

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<v Speaker 3>media can't control us in our homes if we turn

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<v Speaker 3>the TV off TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta let, I got, I got, I gotta say

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I'm grateful for your contribution and your conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>but in some ways, many of our rights to begin

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<v Speaker 2>in the civil rights movement, and they're all under attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Americans with Disability Act, part of the Civil Rights Act, LGBTQ.

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<v Speaker 1>Rights, thirteen fourteen Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get the human rights.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't get there without thirteen fourteen and fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, those are constitutional rights, but the statutory rights from

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<v Speaker 2>implementation of the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments are the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act directly attacked just last

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<v Speaker 2>week by Donald Trump. He says it was bad for

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<v Speaker 2>white folks. Then, so he's coming after the sixty four

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<v Speaker 2>Civil Rights Act. He says the same thing about the

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<v Speaker 2>Voting Rights Act, and the Court's going to have the

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<v Speaker 2>final say on that in short order. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to conversation with a T. But we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to the fifteenth Amendment next week. More than Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>Junior show T. But thank you for your time. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>By yes, all, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming back with Johnny Mack on KBLA Talk fifteen