1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Jackson Junior Sports the Jesse Junior Show. He talked. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: On thought provoking Thursdays, our conversations with a Tiba have 3 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:18,719 commenced to TIBA, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 4 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:20,519 Speaker 1: He's always good to be here. 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,559 Speaker 2: So just before the break, we're having a conversation about 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,280 about the way forward, about what's next. I know that 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,800 you want, you want to get there, but I do 8 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:33,759 want to say this politically. By the time Martin Luther 9 00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:38,719 King Junior starts meeting with Lyndon Johnson and thinking some 10 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:44,560 of the great thoughts about the interconnectedness of reality and red, yellow, brown, 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,520 black and white, all of us having something in common 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,240 in this inescapable bond of mutuality. He engaged in a 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:01:01,560 life of base politics Pastor Ebenezer Baptist Church Montgomery, Selma, 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,879 Atlanta based politics. First Negroes had to follow him, and 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,799 when he had a solid base of us, then he 16 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:13,079 was able to offer a national and international, a global 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,680 vision from a base of support Er Washington, when he 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,680 ran for mayor of Chicago, started with the black community 19 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:27,560 and built out to Hispanics and to whites. Jesse Jackson 20 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:30,359 didn't have a chance in nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty eight, 21 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:35,159 if he didn't have Cedar Rapids and Iowa City and 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,640 Black churches in Chicago and black churches in New Hampshire 23 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,000 and South Carolina and the South to preach in. And 24 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,959 of course he won all of the debates that he 25 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,640 participated in with all the white folks who was on 26 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,640 the stage. Base politics. What makes Tabis Smiley a national 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,120 leader of Black people KBLA man? Tavis wakes up every 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,959 day talking to black vote and then by the time 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,920 he makes it to Washington and makes it to the 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,040 news and he's able to argue our case and earn 31 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,960 the respect of the broader population. He starts with the 32 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,120 base politics. And one of the challenges that I have 33 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:15,960 is I don't run off and leave the base man. 34 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,599 I am not leaving Negro people. Man. I got to 35 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:21,000 get something to eat first. So here's my theory about that. 36 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,520 In this hour, they shot that white woman in her 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:32,719 face in Minnesota, Miss good she's LGBTQ. But in Minnesota 38 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:35,240 they are locking up black and brown people. That's all 39 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,800 they're looking for, are black and brown people in the 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,439 middle of this election. That's all they're looking for. In 41 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,840 Chicago in the middle of this election. That's exactly why 42 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:49,000 they terrorized DC under the Trump administration. That is exactly 43 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,319 why they're in these blue cities Los Angeles because of 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,360 black mayors. We have not seen a white mayor hardly 45 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:59,360 yet except for what's happening in Minneapolis. Well, I want 46 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,280 to go to the rainbow politics. I want to get 47 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,000 to what's next. But at the end of reconstruction, brother, 48 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:09,080 we are under attack. Help me with with what's next 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,360 in that context, because that is exactly what doctor King 50 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,400 confronted when young people said, I get your dream, Doc, 51 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:22,520 but do you see what's happening in our streets? 52 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying. 53 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:31,319 Speaker 3: And in no way am I, you know, saying, in 54 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,719 any way, shape or form, let's leave each other. 55 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:36,439 Speaker 1: I'm more so. 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,719 Speaker 3: Saying how do we lock arms together and how do 57 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:39,879 we move forward together? 58 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: And not just us? 59 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: Because if we just keep thinking about us, we will 60 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:50,120 consistently be a minor issue in this country. We have 61 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:55,919 been trying to do that for sixty years. 62 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Since doctor King wrote where do we Go from here? 63 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,879 Speaker 3: It's been almost sixty years and we're still having the 64 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:08,319 same conversation, and we still don't want to hold one 65 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,520 another accountable. 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,039 Speaker 1: We still don't want to say, well, hey, what did 67 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,399 we miss in two thousand and eight we had eight years. 68 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: We've seen someone now who's in the President's House, who 69 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,399 over the course of five years, let's just say one year, 70 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,000 because what we've seen right now is in this massive 71 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,040 shift in the last year, is someone who had the 72 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,920 president's House, the House, and the Senate. President Clinton at 73 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,240 one point had the House, the presidency, and the Senate. 74 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:40,040 President Obama for two years had the House, the presidency, 75 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:43,720 and the Senate. What we have seen people tell us 76 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,639 all the time what we can't do. We can't do 77 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,160 this because we need to work with the other side, 78 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,040 We need to do this and this and this. And 79 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,480 yet we see someone who is in this office who 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,240 has moved an agenda forward incredibly quickly. 81 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: But we are always being told what we can't do. 82 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: At some point unless we want the same thing to 83 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:12,639 come back or sixty years from now, your great grandchildren 84 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:17,439 having the same conversation. Some point, we have to recognize 85 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:19,839 that it's insane to keep doing the same thing over 86 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:20,560 and over again. 87 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: Why are there so many you talked about before. 88 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: The break that they are these machines that are now 89 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,920 able to cut people's grass. Doctor King, in his book 90 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:36,439 Sixty Years Ago, talks about automation, talked about how people 91 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:40,040 would be losing their jobs. Where do we put such 92 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:44,319 a lack of emphasis on education? Because part of the 93 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,360 issue that we have here is when we're talking about 94 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,480 I mentioned here are the numbers two trillion dollars Hispanic 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,959 Latino community, one point six trillion dollars African American that's 96 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,240 nearly four trillion dollars. But we're spenders, We're not producers. 97 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:04,120 We don't ever ask ourselves about that. And what I'm 98 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,959 saying here now is that not just to recognize where 99 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:09,120 do we go from here? The question is how do 100 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,920 we want this to look moving forward? And part of 101 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:14,720 that is, Okay, I know I'm seeing people that are 102 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,079 out there in the streets and people that are organizing 103 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,120 and people that want to march, But what are you 104 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:19,839 marching for? 105 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: And what is your demand? 106 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this question to two point folks, 107 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,480 can I just let me just finish this point I 108 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,040 mentioned in the beginning November third, twenty twenty six. I 109 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,560 would love to see our radio stations like Taviss, I 110 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,079 would love to see our churches, our communities, our mosque, 111 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,120 our churches, our synagogues. I would love to see organizations 112 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,079 saying we're gonna march to go vote, because that's one 113 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,279 thing that we can affect the difference. But if we're 114 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:54,439 just saying we're just gonna go march in the streets 115 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,879 and we're gonna confront people and we're gonna get hurt. 116 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,079 I'm not saying that they're for some people, that is 117 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,680 what they want to do, and I'm not telling them 118 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:03,240 not to do it. But what I am saying is, 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,199 let's figure out how we're gonna get out of this together, 120 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,360 not just how we're gonna go vote together as black people, 121 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:14,279 how we're gonna go vote together as Americans to change 122 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,360 the narrative. Because we have congressional members that keep saying 123 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:20,240 they're gonna do something or they can't do anything when 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,800 they're in Congress and they're asking if they can't do it, 125 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,040 it has to be us. 126 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: Well, let me just say this, Satima, I got your 127 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,839 critique of black folk, and I know we got to 128 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:33,439 come forward in just a moment because nobody will save 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,319 us for us. But us has been ingrained in me 130 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,759 since I was a child. That's one of my father's 131 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:47,959 all time refrains. Nobody will save us for us but us. 132 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,399 But the reality is, even when we turn to each 133 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:58,120 other as a community and look for solutions, everyone is 134 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,160 still an individual oning off of individual consumer patterns. In 135 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,480 the United States, doctor King says that materialism is a 136 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:12,120 problem because we focus on ourselves and what we have 137 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:15,040 and we don't see the collective. Hey, I get it, 138 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,439 I get it. Here's the problem, though, brother, I believe 139 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:23,959 racism is real, man, I believe I saint looking for nobody. Listen, 140 00:08:23,959 --> 00:08:27,160 if you didn't open your mouth and let somebody know 141 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:30,600 you were a brother, they would ask you for your papers. 142 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:33,120 And those of you who are not paying attention to 143 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,759 a Teaba looks like he's Latina. A Latino? Yeah, anybody 144 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,000 a lot of us do are. My producer looks like 145 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,080 you're a Latina. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. When we come 146 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,440 forward on kb Late Talk fifteen to eighty, only me 147 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,200 and Tavis look like we from the neighborhood. More on 148 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,440 we come forward on KBI. 149 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: Just cut your hair. 150 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,799 Speaker 2: It's gonna fall out before I cut it. More we 151 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:04,519 come forward, not forget to download our podcast here at 152 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,399 KBLA Talk fifteen eighty we are on thought provoking Thursdays 153 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:10,919 in our regular conversations with a Tiba. A Tiba Welcome 154 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:12,480 forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 155 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: Good to be here, Jesse. 156 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question of tea. But immigration 157 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,320 officers a search assert a sweeping power to enter homes 158 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,879 without a judge's warrant. Memo says, how do you feel 159 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:27,559 about that? 160 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: It's against the law period. I mean, what they're doing 161 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:30,720 is wrong. 162 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: But again, you know, my appeal is, you know what 163 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:40,360 is the message that goes across to rural America to. 164 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: Well before we get to America. 165 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: But there is a reason why I asked no, no, no. 166 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: No, I want to finish this one. I want to 167 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,440 finish this one. You go to rural America, whose homes 168 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,480 do you think they're going in without a warrant? Who 169 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,960 are they looking for? Rural America? 170 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: That's where that's where my point is. See, we can't 171 00:09:58,279 --> 00:09:59,480 we can't combat. 172 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: What's going on right now in urban America without figuring 173 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,600 out how we're going to compete with rural America. And 174 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,320 why do I say that the same healthcare issues that 175 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,600 we face within our cities. They face the same issues 176 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:15,000 with income inequality, whether not there's a farmer or whatever 177 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,159 they do, they face. 178 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,759 Speaker 1: So the whole piece. 179 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: Of this, and in terms of the country, is to 180 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,440 divide us, is to make us feel and make us 181 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:31,000 think that, oh, they're just attacking us. Well, Jesse, Jesse, 182 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:33,840 But if you take us out, if you take us out, 183 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,799 if you take all the immigrants out, who's going to 184 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,159 be left to do the jobs that the people are doing. 185 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,440 So the narrative, the question, the thing that that people 186 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,960 don't talk about is, hey, they want you to do 187 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,080 the jobs because somebody is. 188 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: Going to have to do it. 189 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:59,399 Speaker 3: Everything won't be automated, everything won't be AI. The reason 190 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:02,000 why I mentioned what I did, and I'm glad you 191 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,759 talked about doctor King in terms of talking about racism 192 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:08,559 and militarism and materialism, because I believe that what he 193 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:12,120 wrote then is is more I'm not going to say 194 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:14,159 what it's more important, because I didn't live in nineteen 195 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,679 sixty seven, but I know that it is just as 196 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,679 important today as it was then. And part of the 197 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,519 conversation that we have today is that we have more 198 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,279 resources available to us, we have different ways that we 199 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,120 can communicate, and there are more of us now than 200 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:31,159 there were then. But again we have to figure out 201 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:34,720 a different message. I grew up, I was born to 202 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,600 parents who had joined the Nation of Islam. My mentality 203 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:40,480 and the way that I think about things is about 204 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,879 doing for self. I understood in terms of looking at 205 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,480 when we talk about black separatism and black nationalism. Come 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 on now, that was indoctrinating me at a very early age. 207 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,399 And I also came to understand and to see that 208 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,399 there are also ways, and I'll never forget. Listen to 209 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:01,559 the stokely Carmichael and perhaps one of, if not the last, 210 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,799 one of the last speeches that he taught, he spoke 211 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,919 at the Washington Convention Center, and I'm pretty certain your 212 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,720 dad was there, but he. 213 00:12:08,879 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: Said that if you just take this one finger and 214 00:12:12,879 --> 00:12:16,240 you bend it, you can break it. 215 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,039 Speaker 3: But if you put all five of them together, you 216 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,039 have strength, and then there's power and their strength and unity. 217 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:25,840 And so my message is gonna consistently be as much 218 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,279 as I want to see us be free, we're never 219 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,600 gonna be free of these shackles, and we're never going 220 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,559 to be free of what is going on. And if 221 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,840 we're always basking and faced with fear. 222 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: And my thing is. 223 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:41,159 Speaker 3: That people are looking for messages of hope, and they're 224 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,360 looking for not just for us to keep talking about 225 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,200 what the issues are. They're looking about what is it 226 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,720 that I can do because the reality is what is 227 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:54,720 going on right now is crazy. But we're fixed to 228 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,399 our televisions, we're fixed to our social media, and all 229 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:58,960 we're doing is we're fixed. 230 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: That's what fear is for. That's why they want fear. 231 00:13:02,039 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 3: That's why I keep talking about hope because in twenty 232 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,720 sixteen and twenty twenty four, for some reason that we're 233 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:12,159 not talking about, the country voted for fear. They voted 234 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,919 for fear over hope. Why why did they vote for 235 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,519 fear over hope? I believe doctor King was assassinated because 236 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:25,360 not because of racism alone. He was assassinated because he 237 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:30,759 spoke up against militarism. He was also questioning the morality 238 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,200 of the materialism that was going on in this country 239 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,120 and saying that as an African American community, we shouldn't. 240 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: Be asking for the equality that those whites had. 241 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: He was saying that we should be pushing for something 242 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:50,440 better than that, something that also brought along morality. America 243 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,559 is facing its issues today because it has a problem 244 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,000 with not just corruption, but morality even within our own 245 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:01,080 communities that we don't want to speak about. 246 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with that you get no pushback from me. 247 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:09,120 I appreciate you keeping hope alive, but I am not 248 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:11,120 going to ignore and I don't think we can ignore. 249 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,639 Nor am I suggesting that you're ignoring the fact that Ice, 250 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:20,080 by definition is going are going through communities looking for 251 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:26,000 brown people, and the Constitution of the United States has 252 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:30,960 been set aside allowing them to break in people's homes 253 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,840 with masks on without a warrant. That is nothing short 254 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,759 of terror. If that isn't the Jim Crow South, I 255 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,200 don't know what the Jim Crow South is. You might say, 256 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,360 don't call it the Jim Crow South, just call it 257 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:46,840 something that Ice is doing. Hell no, I can't say that. 258 00:14:47,159 --> 00:14:47,639 Speaker 1: It's not just. 259 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,919 Speaker 2: Black people everywhere, Black people everywhere. What happened to Rosa Parks, 260 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,559 every bus rider felt that what happened to em attil 261 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:01,440 at Tiba. Every person's who has a child that they 262 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,360 sent South, felt that what happened to George Floyd. Every 263 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:08,639 Negro in America understood what it meant to have a 264 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:11,399 police officer's foot on your neck or your neon him. 265 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: What about Nat Turner? What about Harriet Tubman? What about 266 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,080 Frederick Douglas? What about Like we keep talking about the 267 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,759 fifties and sixties as if slavery didn't happen, and what 268 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:22,679 we are seeing today is the best time for us 269 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,240 to be talking about the connection of capitalism to slavery, 270 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,120 the connection of what we're seeing. These are nothing more 271 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,840 of a slave catchers at some point, I do believe 272 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:36,000 in my heart that some of them. I'm not saying 273 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:39,559 all of them are going to turn that some of them. 274 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,360 But the question also is who has dehumanized them to 275 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:48,159 this extent the fifty thousand dollars that they got signing 276 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:50,279 bonus and then says that they have to stay there 277 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,559 for five years. We've seen what happened in Germany, whether 278 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,600 the Castapo and others, we all have seen all these 279 00:15:57,639 --> 00:15:59,399 things play out before Jesse. 280 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:04,519 Speaker 1: But the question remains, where is the hope? 281 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: Where is the hope amid all of this fear, because. 282 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: We're not getting anywhere. 283 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:14,039 Speaker 3: Even you and I having this conversation about oh well, 284 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,480 we're not talking about the roadsa parks in this way. 285 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: Our issue within our own community is we don't. 286 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:23,519 Speaker 3: Talk about our history enough, and we act as if 287 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,399 our rights began in the Civil rights movement. We have 288 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:31,240 to go back to slavery, and we have to remember 289 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,519 that no matter what they try to take out of 290 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:38,120 their history books, we can still talk about our own 291 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,879 history because we do know that he who controls the 292 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:45,399 what media controls the narrative, where we can't think the 293 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,480 media can't control us in our homes if we turn 294 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:49,279 the TV off TV. 295 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: I gotta let, I got, I got, I gotta say 296 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,799 this before we head to the to the next time. 297 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,200 First of all, I'm grateful for your contribution and your conversation, 298 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,360 but in some ways, many of our rights to begin 299 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,960 in the civil rights movement, and they're all under attack. 300 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:08,160 Americans with Disability Act, part of the Civil Rights Act, LGBTQ. 301 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,079 Speaker 1: Rights, thirteen fourteen Civil Rights Act. 302 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the human rights. 303 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: We don't get there without thirteen fourteen and fifteen. 304 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: Again, those are constitutional rights, but the statutory rights from 305 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,680 implementation of the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments are the 306 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,960 nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act directly attacked just last 307 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,799 week by Donald Trump. He says it was bad for 308 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,359 white folks. Then, so he's coming after the sixty four 309 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,480 Civil Rights Act. He says the same thing about the 310 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,319 Voting Rights Act, and the Court's going to have the 311 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,400 final say on that in short order. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. 312 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,640 You're listening to conversation with a T. But we'll get 313 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,119 to the fifteenth Amendment next week. More than Jesse Jackson 314 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,640 Junior show T. But thank you for your time. I 315 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,200 appreciate you. 316 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: By yes, all, I appreciate you. 317 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,519 Speaker 2: We're coming back with Johnny Mack on KBLA Talk fifteen