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We're gonna switch things up today. I'm gonna do an

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episode where I'm gonna throw a bunch of topics at

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be controversial to the listeners. So that's good. That's good. Thomas.

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First of all, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I know it well, thanks for hosting me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, let's start talking about immigration. When

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you look at I think we've done a pretty good

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job of discussing immigration in Europe. And how the only

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way you think that the issue that they're having their ends,

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How does our the United States issue with immigration get solved?

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Speaker 3: Well, the problem in the United States is complicated by

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the fact that in Europe it's very contrived, and it's

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very artificial, and it's nakeadly political, which in some ways

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is worse. But on the other hand, in the Erica,

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like I discussed in this series with my friend Anthony,

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you know, on the Mind Phaser podcast, there's structural barriers

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to a policy based solution, you know, And that's why

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opposed to immigration enforcement at the level of you know,

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a violation, you know, rounding up people who are breaking

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the law by being here, overstaying their visas are by

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credashing the border. I don't have a problem with. But

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these ice raids where they show up twenty deep and

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just around over a bunch of people. That's not even

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a stopgap effort. It's performative, and there's not if you're

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one of these big agribusiness conglomerates. You know, like Anthony

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of political will to penalize market actors who profit by

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this system. I mean, that's the essence of a narco tyranny.

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people crashing the border. There's I mean that that represents

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a deep level of corruption and unless they're until that changes,

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rights regime. These things that go away if people had

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pretty much anybody other than I'm I'm sure some people

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lot of people you know, in our in our tribe

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talk about and it's blacks and they I think one

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have platforms like us, you can't escape bumper sticker solutions

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and there's a bumper stick. They're all going back. We s,

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we're sending them to Liberia. Uh, you know, we got

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to get rid of the blacks and and everyone else

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is it even possible? No, we know that it's not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, blacks are if you're talking about legs population's

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American slaves. They've got the right to be here like

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other th like heritage, White Americans, Indians, and black folks

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are the only people who've got like an absolute right

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to be here. You can't you don't have to like

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black folks who want to live next to him or

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think of you know, think positive about him at all.

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Speaker 3: You can't say that some dude who's the descendant of

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you know, this ongoing race war that's totally at odds

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with precedent. The reason why things are foo bar is

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and it created these totally perverse circumstances. It by design

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why this happened. It's not because there's some.

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Speaker 3: Five dred years a long race war going on and

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me wrong, us us in them are very different people. Okay, uh,

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and that and that only, I mean, that's that's insurmountable.

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we're right live. But I mean, nobody I choose to

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this conflict of interest waiting to this NGO A, this

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alternative sentencing regime. You know, she was literally pocketing money

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Speaker 2: To reign in government from this.

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a social engineering apparatus that you know, by punitive sanction

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it's a sociological problem, Like I'm not I'm not saying

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that there's not problems with having a this black lumping

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population in periodical revolt, like that's fucked up and that's

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can lead me into the next group I wanted to

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talk about, and that's the Jewish people. And it seems

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like the social engineering regime, you know, once you really

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start getting down in the weeds, is drawn out of

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this culture of critique, as Kevin McDonald would call it,

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that it insinuates itself into high levels of places where

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social engineering can be done, press culture, Hollywood, things like that.

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How do we deal with that going forward? Because I

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mean it's you know, people are screaming, Oh, we just

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we're not gonna be able to deal with this. I mean,

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the spurg Gius of the Spurgs dealing. We're not gonna

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be able to deal with this until every last one

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is kicked out of the country. Well that's not going

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to happens. So you know, how do we deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've got you've got to look at you've got

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Speaker 3: Jewish revolutionary tendencies and cunative impulses and the ambitions of

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the regime and its structural aspects as being synonymous, did

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the same thing. One reflects the other and a symbiotic relationship,

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and each feeds and facilitates the other. And this is

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why I'm always emphasizing that the revolutions of the first

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you know, decades of the twentieth century, whether you're talking

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about Red October or the National Socialist Revolution that culminated

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in in Hitler being appointed Reich's consuler, and the New

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Deal Revolution, I mean, though you've got to look at

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those as having equivalent impact. I mean, obviously it was

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much more punctuated in case the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 2: The other two examples were perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Within the law of the extant polity, and the Bolsheviks

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literally killed their way into a position of authority. So

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I mean, I'm not suggesting some equivalents with the German

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Reich or the or New Deal America. But these these

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the ideological imperatives were just as radical and total in

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a top down way, you know. And so that that's

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the legacy government you live under. You don't live under

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the legacy government at George Washington and John Adams or something,

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you know. So it's not That's one of the reasons

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why when it's it's kind of as a nine. You know,

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especially a lot of guys on the academic side of

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of of the law and stuff, like the kinds of

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guys you find, uh who end up teaching law school.

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out of that milleu, like John Hughes one of them,

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but he's kind of the exception. Most of these guys,

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you know, they write this polemical stuff, you know where

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they where they stump in favor of concepts like originalism,

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the standard Kerna there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they'd be like they'd be like some.

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Speaker 3: Guy in in in Prudence Russia, you know, like falling

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back on Czarist precedents or something like it's not you

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know you you don't you don't live under the government

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of seventeen eighty three or seventeen eighty nine. Though those

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assumptions were totally done away with. You know, the epistemic

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priors that were invoked to validate early America have absolutely

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nothing to do with the present situation, and such that

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they are invoked, they're invoked as a punitive counterexample. That's

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what the regime wants to accomplish.

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Speaker 2: So the way.

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Speaker 3: The privilege, the privileged position of Zionism is totally done

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that conceptually people hate Israel and they hate Zionism like

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they're they're a total pariah. So that changes things because

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you know, the regime has really been obsolete since you know,

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November eighty nine. Let me, let me qualify that that

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the Clinton administration derailed was supposed to succeed.

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Speaker 2: That regime.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Like I'm not saying that Bush, Baker and Gorchov

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model was good in absolute terms, but it would have

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been workable, okay. But because that was totally monkey wrenched

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by the neo cons and and and these Clinton liberals

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and others. You know, the the regime in the twenty

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worth century is kind of dead on arrival, but it

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took it took a few decades for that to fully

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come to fruition. But like the issue of Zionism and

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Jewish radicalism again, it's you've got to look at this

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synonymous with the American regime, and that's taking care of itself.

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And I mean in historical terms. You know, like I

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said before, it's going to be a couple of centuries

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before that transition is fully realized and before the current

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structure truly dies, but it's it's actively happening.

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Speaker 2: You know. The thing to do is.

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Speaker 3: To continue to facilitate its demise and work towards but

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the main thing is to work towards rebuilding as we

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look to a horizon where the regime no longer exists.

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And that's what we're doing. That's why social capital is

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so important, you know, because we're laying I mean not

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just because that's essential to people's equlity of life and

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you know, raising healthy children and being productive and transmitting

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our culture to future generations. I mean, obviously all those

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things are paramount importance, but we were basically future oriented.

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You know, we're building the structure that is willing to

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sustain our people moving forward when actual freedom is restored

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and realizable again. And you know, the mentioned material and

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the communities that those people constitute, and the social bonds

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that and communitarian aspects of that structure. You know, that's

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that's the future. That's the way for And you know,

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and that's why people too, like they when they talk

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about hypothetically, I assume I I would hope that nobody's

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actually talking about trying to stage some sort of Shadze

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rebellion right now, But that'd be that they'd be like

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plotting the murder a guy who's dying of cancer, you know,

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the overthrowing a dying regime. Yeah, sometimes that And that's

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that's what the Jacobins did. I maintaining that's one of

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the reasons they weren't along for this earth. But that's

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sort of tangential. But the and I realize people aren't patient.

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And don't get me wrong, I mean, if there's some

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if there is gene, decide it's not going to allow

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itself to exit stage of history without taking as many

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of us down with it as possible. Yeah, obviously you

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need to fight back, to defend yourself and defend your

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family and defend your community and everything else.

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Speaker 2: But that's the issue.

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Speaker 3: The issue, isn't that if somebody doesn't Hypothetically speaking again,

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I'm not advocating violence or criminality at all, but this

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idea that there's not going to be a paradigm shift

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there absent some punctuated revolutionary catalyst, that's the wrong way

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to look at it, you know, it's the best finanswer

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I can give.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that everybody that that attitude of oh,

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it has to be done now. I'm not going to

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work for Yeah, I'm not going to work towards the

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future in you know, even after I'm gone and know

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that I built something now, No, I want to win

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right now. Do you think that has something to do

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with like the you know, like the Industrial revolution and

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technology just like just this momentous just acceleration of being

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able to get things done at a moment's notice, and

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then people want to apply that to historical and social phenomena.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: And it's also people have trouble even intelligent people who

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might intellectually understand that you've got to look at historical events,

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you know, like you do macroeconomics or anything else. You've

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got to look at it in the centuries long increments,

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you know, they intellectually understand that. Instinctively, people have a

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hard time seeing or conceptualizing a horizon outside of the

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their immediate situated in this So even if even if

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you argue the point to somebody or have a discussion

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like wherevering now and they acknowledge the inherent frailties and

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you know, fatal contradictions of the extent regime and acknowledge

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that it's you know, a process of historical transitions underway.

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They instinctively they reject that because they look at they

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look at the current system as this kind of megalith.

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You know, I've been invoked the metaphor before. It's I

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think going like an obelisk, like in two thousand and one,

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those monolists that appear. If you're in the middle of

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a desert and you're smacked up against an object like that,

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you can't really discern its parameters and its size and

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its features. You know, you need to you need to

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get far away from it to establish an advantage point

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and understand what it's true dimensions are. That's kind of

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the way people are in terms of their temporal situatedness.

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And because because the state is very very powerful, you know,

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even states and precipitous decline are are very powerful. They

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can bring to bear a tremendous amount of wealth, violence,

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you name it. So people become inculcated with this sense

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of it being this you know, immortal leviathan that could

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only be that could only be altered or done away

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with by violent force, but that that itself. You get

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people plause you're not You're not gonna win in a

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fight against the government at present. You know, that's not

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And I mean again, I yeah, I'm not trying to

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be controversial, and I with qualifications, you know, Like I said,

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I got a lot of respect for guys like Gusty

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Spence and that was that was his sensibility, even when

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he was at his most radical, is you know, we're

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we're going to defend our people in our communities from

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our sectarian enemies or the or the or the British

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Army or the Crown government or anybody else. But we're

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not We're not gonna spoil for fights to make some

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kind of point, you know. So you do need to

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return to serve to protect yourself and your people, but

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there's not some vainglorious don Quixote charge at the government

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isn't going to accomplish anything. I mean, you shouldn't do

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that anyway. Again, people shouldn't break the law, but that

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would also be counterproductive.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I've I said on

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my my live stream recently, and I think I said

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it on somebody else's live stream the other night, was

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that a lot of people, a lot of our guys,

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you know, people that you know, we would like if

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we met them. They they have this thing like, oh,

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everything is stacked up against white men. It's a war

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against white men. And what I've taken to saying is

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if you're a white man, you could defeat anything, you

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can do anything. So if you have that attitude of oh,

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you know, they it's a war on white people. Look

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at all, Look at all these things these people said

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about white people. They want to kill us, they want

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to everything. I mean, that's really just a part of

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the social engineering regime, trying to make it so that

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you're miserable, you're never going to you're never going to try,

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and it just keeps them in power, right.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and also the regimes terrified of.

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Speaker 3: The power potential of the silent majority, particularly radicalize youth

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cadre they're in.

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Speaker 2: And uh well yeah, it's also.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I yeah, the the the the white man

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rules the culture and everything of significance. You don't why

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why do you need validation or why do you need

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some pathetic government apparatic to like you or think positively

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of you?

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Speaker 2: Now? Thad matter is too all these.

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Speaker 3: These people whether it's uh, this GoF who's running for

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a mayor of New York City, or whether it's that

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ridiculous and very corrupt woman who is you know, trying

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to subpoene other records of our friends in d Air

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And you know, in the most comically enough way. Everything

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from the way these people dress, the way they talk,

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you know, the their habits, their tastes, the food they e,

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the technologies they use, the concepts they invoke of an

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ethical nature. They were rationales for everything they do in

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their life. Their wants, their desires, their fears and their anxieties.

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Literally everything is what they learned from anglophone white people

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in their culture. They literally don't exist without my tribe.

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So I'm supposed to I'm supposed to be like worried

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about them not liking me or acting like the is

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it a wayward idiot children of some rich guy. I mean,

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it's basically what they are, you know, So it's okay

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the government. I mean, like I'm only saying too, And

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this isn't some kind of stupid flex or something. It's

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just reality. I maybe because I've always been an outlaw,

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this is always this has a bit like easy for me.

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I always realize that the government doesn't like me. They

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do me as a bad guy, they want to do

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bad things to me. I mean, I guess it's different

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if you grow up in like an all white town

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in Colorado, when you go to the same church as

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everybody else in that town, and you know, the local

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government is like the dads of guys you go to

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high school with. I mean, yeah, okay, I guess maybe

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that insinuates with an idea that official dumb are good

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guys and that the country belongs to guys like you

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at street level or something. I mean, obviously I never

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had that experience, but yeah, it's uh, like, on the

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one hand, you can't be flippant and haughty and pretend

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that these people can't harm you, because they absolutely can't

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and they want to. But this idea they only exist

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00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,440
because of my people. There's a power disparity there that's

473
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,240
so massive, it's basically unprecedented. Like people an't eveny Helots,

474
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,079
because the Helots did have their own culture, and I

475
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,039
think they probably even had their own language that's disputed,

476
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,799
you know, Like these people literally don't exist without us,

477
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,799
you know, and even they're even they're they're their entire

478
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440
rays on death rou and there even even the punitive.

479
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:27,480
You know, notions that they harbor towards us are derived,

480
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:35,480
admittedly from a very unfortunate body of theory, but that

481
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,920
body of theory is again like white Western post Christian.

482
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,359
These people literally don't exist without us. So I'm supposed

483
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,599
to I'm supposed to get all upset when you know,

484
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,079
they they act as if they have some sort of

485
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,319
mandate to to run things. You know, they're they're literally kolies.

486
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,079
You know, I'm not afraid of koolies. I'm not afraid

487
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,000
of anybody. You know, becaund like a big bad ass,

488
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:04,759
but I mean, I'm only afraid of God, you know,

489
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:06,960
and that you shouldn't be afraid of anyone or anything else.

490
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,480
But you know, such that bringing kind of back to

491
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,719
earth to I mean, these people are not long for

492
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239
this world. You know that this is all coming to

493
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,760
an end. I mean, admittedly, I if my horizon in

494
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,199
discussing this is a couple of centuries, and I realized

495
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,519
people and I'm not I'm not minimizing some of these people

496
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,480
go through. You know, there's very bad things underway, and

497
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:39,920
people are suffering in real ways from it, and they

498
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:46,840
want relief from that. But at the same time, will

499
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:51,320
must keep a big picture in mind and according to

500
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,760
that reality, you know, these people around their way out,

501
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,760
they're exiting history.

502
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,519
Speaker 1: If if some of our guys came to you and said,

503
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000
you know, look, i'm gonna all these jobs came open

504
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,480
with this uh, with this government, and I'm gonna get

505
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,119
I'm gonna get hired on what do you think should

506
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,239
be their motivation and expectation as far as doing that

507
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,039
or do you even think it's a good idea at all.

508
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,159
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't

509
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,880
know all the answers. And I've run across well, it

510
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,960
depends where you're at. Like I've run across at events

511
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,519
and stuff and just other places when I've been out

512
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:38,000
and about on the road. I've run across guys, particularly

513
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,559
in the South, and they're you know, they're on the

514
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,679
staff of the congressmen of the district where they live

515
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,039
and their their notion is. And then that's a very

516
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,079
Southern thing, is you know, get getting involved locally in

517
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:58,559
you know, the political apparatus, and you know, at least

518
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:03,960
trying to mitigate some of them are harmful. Top down

519
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:11,039
programmatic efforts, you know, social engineer the culture and what

520
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,840
have you, and I mean only to reconstruction and stuff.

521
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,360
I get why guys do that arguably that you know,

522
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,920
you need you need our people in place there to

523
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:31,719
act as kind of stop gap, you know, agents. But

524
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:38,199
you know, generally unless you truly don't have a choice,

525
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:43,880
because the only way you can earn what you need

526
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,639
to earn, you know, to provide for your wife and

527
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:52,559
kids or something, is by taking a straight job with

528
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,960
a big company or with the government or something adjacent

529
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,320
to that.

530
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,119
Speaker 2: I mean, they get it. Some people don't have a choice.

531
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,519
Speaker 3: But those people who don't have a choice, that's a

532
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:05,320
shrinking demographic, you know, you said, he said, it's a

533
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,079
seed from regime stuff as much as possible, and that's

534
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,159
one of the positive things. Like Charlie Kirk, he did

535
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,559
this before, I mean about a month before he was murdered.

536
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,239
He did this interview on Tucker Carlson. I watched Targer

537
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,360
Carlson on and off. Some of his guests really interest me.

538
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,000
Some of them, I'm kind of like whatever.

539
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: They bore me.

540
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: But Tuger Carlson for a mainstream pundit, I think he

541
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,280
I think he's basically a good guy, you know. And

542
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:40,199
but he and Kirk were talking about nullification. I mean,

543
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,440
and they weren't using that word, but that's what they

544
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,559
were talking about, and all but name and they were

545
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,000
making a lot of those same points, you know, the

546
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,280
fluid of the capital and the ability to work remote

547
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,920
leagues at telecommon things. You know that this has changed everything,

548
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,679
you know. I mean, that's how I can make a

549
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,920
living and large measure by writing and stuff. I mean,

550
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,320
admittedly I'm a single man, you know, changed things with

551
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,159
a family, but I'm not an outlier. And you know,

552
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:14,360
there's opportunities abound if you're willing to be creative, and

553
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,880
especially if you're willing to do without certain things.

554
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: You know.

555
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't mean like basic essentials are like wearing decent clothes.

556
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,199
I mean like maybe you don't maybe don't need to

557
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:29,119
take three vacations a year and you know, have three

558
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,360
cars for a you know, a family consisting of like

559
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,840
a husband and wife and two kids, you know, like

560
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,320
a stuff like that.

561
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,519
Speaker 2: You know.

562
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: So I my notion has always been in what remains

563
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,159
of this day, you know, secede from regime regime stuff

564
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,719
as much as possible. Especially in the way you make

565
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,199
a living and your laborers, but also like who you

566
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,400
hang out with, the kinds of girls you court, and

567
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,519
the woman you marry or the guy you marry. If

568
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,519
you're a lady, obviously you know who you socialize with.

569
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,920
You've got to take this on as a partisan commitment

570
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,280
that in every aspect of your life. If you know

571
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,599
you're if you are for X y Z company and

572
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:18,320
your cowtew to bullshit, like when they you know, when

573
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,000
they when they observe Pride Month or something. You know,

574
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,760
if you like hold your peace when there's real injustice underway,

575
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:31,760
and you know, some regime, like some like system regime

576
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,559
coded job you have, if the people you hang out

577
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,960
with or a bunch of like brain dead liberals, I

578
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,320
think Donald Trump is you know, causing the psoriasis. I mean,

579
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,159
it's like you're living a fucked up life. And if

580
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,400
you just like talk trash and the internet to like

581
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,679
blow off steam, or you're like you gottahote it, but

582
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,360
you don't just go to soak it up. It's like no,

583
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,480
you're you're being a bitch and or you're just a phony.

584
00:39:56,599 --> 00:40:00,800
And your whole thing is you know, you just like

585
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,719
mess around on the internet, you know, because like in

586
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,639
your review, it's like transgressive to say politically incorrect things

587
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:14,159
or something. But you know, no people I am, I

588
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:21,239
mean convinced that people need to secede from regime culture

589
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,000
as much as possible, especially in the way they make

590
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:24,440
a living.

591
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: So guys in our thing, every once in a while

592
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,880
contact me or somebody will reach out to me and go, hey,

593
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,119
you know, I found out that this guy who you

594
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:42,119
know is in our cadre and is very influential. His

595
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:48,079
great grandfather was Jewish and they they converted to Christianity

596
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:52,320
and now he's a third generation Messianic Jew. But I

597
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,559
never hear him bringing up the JQ. So when it

598
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,000
comes to like our thing, what's the separation because everybody,

599
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,800
you know, he wanted to make it about race, and

600
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:08,920
race is really important. But you know what, when you know,

601
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,360
I know a lot of the guys that you hang

602
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,159
out with, you know, like there's there's a bunch of

603
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,159
mischelings that I know of, and you know in our

604
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,519
crew definitely, But what how do you judge it? How

605
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,239
do you judge it going forward? If you're going to

606
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,719
have these small cadres, if you're going to break things down,

607
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:27,960
you know, is there any is there any group that

608
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,079
you see as like a no go.

609
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:36,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's uh well, I mean I mean,

610
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,519
I mean er Harden Milts was a racial view, like

611
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:38,920
it's not.

612
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:41,519
Speaker 2: The way.

613
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't. I don't join any organizations. I've contemplated

614
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,480
the idea of formalizing something, but I mean, I don't

615
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,880
that that that that'd be different than this above board

616
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,559
kind of stuff.

617
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,079
Speaker 1: You don't seem the joiner type to me at all.

618
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 3: There, No, And my notion was I've got a big

619
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:13,880
tent sensibility like anybody who's you know, if you're if

620
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,639
you're white, whatever, Ethnos or Middle Eastern, you know, uh,

621
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,360
any any any Christian sect other than like phony stuff

622
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,920
like Unitarians. I have no problem don Our Cadre are

623
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,039
Moslem friends, obviously, I I I have a lot of

624
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:38,360
respect for them, you know. So there's that kind of

625
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:48,320
big tent new resistance write coded Cadre. But then within that,

626
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,000
you know, the reason why I opted to start spending

627
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,119
more time in Lynchburg and stuff is because there's a

628
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:02,679
community of heritage Americans, a lot of whom have got

629
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,760
Ulster blood, you know, like my dear friend g Burden

630
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:10,719
does a church there I like where all of them attend.

631
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,679
Speaker 2: You know.

632
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,199
Speaker 3: That's uh. I want to be around my own Ethnos. Okay,

633
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,159
sometimes I need to be. So that's the way to

634
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:23,559
look at it. Like within the broader political pastiche and

635
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:29,119
resistance element, there's gonna be guys who you find relatable

636
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,960
and who are friends and comrades yours who are of

637
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,239
a different ethnos.

638
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: That I mean that.

639
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: Doesn't really matter. Doesn't mean we're being like race blind

640
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,519
or something. It's you know, it is what I said

641
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:45,800
it is. And it's also too like I don't you

642
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,679
know if you're gonna go around checking people's DNA, Like

643
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,679
I mean, the problem is the problem with people with

644
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,599
respect to that kind of thing, with respect to the

645
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,480
heritage of people who they accept in their cadre. The

646
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:03,000
problems to you, it is some guy who'll like work

647
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:06,400
with some crazy Zionist guy or something, but then decide

648
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,679
this guy's based for some asinine reason or he finds

649
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,599
him personally likable, so it's like, oh no, it's okay

650
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,400
because you know he's a right wing view or whatever.

651
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,239
It's like no, no, no, no, no no. If you're if

652
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,199
you're if you're a self identified you, and that's your culture,

653
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,840
you you identify with it, you you practice it like

654
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,840
you're not. That's ridiculous, you know, And doesn't mean you

655
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,000
go around personally hating people because that's lame and that

656
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,880
that's that's bitch made.

657
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: But you don't.

658
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,679
Speaker 3: You don't pretend people are your political allies because you

659
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,519
personally like them or something. But you know, most of these,

660
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:51,320
most of these supposedly right wing guys, don't get it,

661
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:57,679
you know, they're They're just mainstream people with with certain reservations.

662
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,559
So I don't I it's not complicated who you should

663
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:06,159
or shouldn't accept as a comrade in arms or as

664
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,880
part of your cadre. And if anyone who finds this

665
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,559
confusing as something of a cretan or doesn't really understand

666
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:18,079
what we're doing, you know, and that's my take on it.

667
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,199
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a couple of things that

668
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,199
are you know, can bring a chuckle in or kind

669
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,960
of ridiculous. Do you think there is going to be

670
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,119
an awakening in the United States and all of a

671
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:34,800
sudden the United States is going to adopt national socialism?

672
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: No?

673
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,119
Speaker 3: The uh, well, I mean that there already has been

674
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,239
an awakening. I mean, that's why the regime is shooting

675
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,280
his pants over that Trump ascendency. Like Trump, the guy

676
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,079
isn't important, and it's not important either that Trump's obviously

677
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:56,840
like a a regime actor. It's what he represented to

678
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:05,519
the silent majority, and that demographic self consciously mobilizing around

679
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:10,800
an identitarian imperative. That's what terrifies them and that's what

680
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,840
they can't tolerate. There's nothing to do with Trump and

681
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,280
its policies and the fact now that everybody hates Zionism

682
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,360
and zion is that is the awakening. Like what, there's

683
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,000
a perennial aspect and a timeless aspect to the Third Reich.

684
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:29,360
But the reason why is because that was It's that

685
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,119
that was, that was one iteration of this perennial thing.

686
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:41,559
You know, it's the form it took, and the organizational

687
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:44,320
permutations and things are historically contingent.

688
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: That's not important, you know.

689
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:53,159
Speaker 3: But the reason why it has a a timeless significance

690
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,639
and the reason why I identify with those things is

691
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,800
for the reason I just said, you know, not not

692
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,239
not because there's going to be some party political mobilization

693
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,079
along sort of lines that were in the nineteen thirties,

694
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,480
and that's going to change everything. But in America, like

695
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,199
in America, you don't have political parties. In America, you

696
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,039
don't do things that way. That's the European way of

697
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,360
doing things. The American way of doing things is nullification, localism,

698
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:28,519
you know, the yeomanry or it's equivalent, you know, mobilizing

699
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:34,320
a cadre structure to essentially force the government to not

700
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,280
interfere with this process of nullification. I mean, that's what

701
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,639
the War between the States was about. And this is

702
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:46,639
an ongoing thing. You know, every couple generations that re emerges. Obviously,

703
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,760
I mean, thank god it doesn't culminate in a massive

704
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,920
war that kills half a million people. But you know

705
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,880
that was never really resolved, you know, and it still

706
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,280
remains unresolved. I mean, that's the American situation, you know,

707
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,119
and is not europe.

708
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: Well, I guess because of the just how it spread

709
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,119
out everything is how many. You know, you can have

710
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,840
somebody who's a heritage American who lives in Utah and

711
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,199
someone who's a Heritage American who lives in New York

712
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:19,239
and they believe in completely they're completely at odds when

713
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,800
it comes to anything socially and politically. So yeah, Basically,

714
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,719
what I hear all the time is, well, you know,

715
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,480
we just got to radicalize people. We got to radicalize people.

716
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,639
And what what what I try to tell people is

717
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,440
most people are not going to be radicals.

718
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,599
Speaker 3: They just don't want to be anyway. I mean that

719
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,440
what would you do with them? We're not democrats, you know.

720
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:47,239
The I don't mean you know, the media branding. I mean,

721
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,880
you know, in the actual sense. You know, it's like

722
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,800
like Tommy Metsker said, he even if we had these people,

723
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,719
what would we do with them? You know, we're not

724
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,559
We're not We're not trying to We're not trying to

725
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,039
make our own version of you know, the regime or

726
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,320
like our own Walmart brand or something.

727
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:06,559
Speaker 2: You know.

728
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: I mean plus plus two, I mean political revolutions. I

729
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,000
don't just mean a of a violent nature or a

730
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,320
kinetic nature, right, you know. Any you said a revolutionary

731
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,760
paradigm shift, there's always gonna be a van with by definition,

732
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,039
there's always gonna be a vanguard that leads that. And

733
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,599
what the vanguard is if it's people who for whatever

734
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:34,280
reason are astride the zeitgeist and for somehow they embody

735
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:41,079
the prime symbols and imperatives and and and literal spirit

736
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,159
of the age in a way that other people don't.

737
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,960
They're almost a conduit for this stuff. Okay, that's what

738
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:50,960
the vanguard is, you know, it's not And and when

739
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,360
these movements emerge, they don't. They don't come about like

740
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,679
the Jehovah's Witnesses. It's not because a bunch of guys

741
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,039
went door to door saying I have like a pamphlet

742
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:59,840
for you to tell you about why you want to

743
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,719
be radicalized and why you know, like Jews are bad

744
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,079
guys or whatever like That's that's as nine, you know.

745
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,599
But that's also but the fact that people think that

746
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,480
way that proves my point, like they're not built for this.

747
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,719
They don't understand what we're doing. They don't understand what's underway,

748
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:22,239
you know, and it's best, uh, they not try and

749
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,480
get involved in it like that.

750
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,639
Speaker 2: That's my whole point about Trump's.

751
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 3: Arrangement syndrome and stuff like On the other side, I

752
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,320
when I come across these people, I mean generally I

753
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,519
ignore them because they're because they're pooh like there's they're

754
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:40,440
just obnoxious difference assholes. But when I do choose engagement,

755
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:42,719
say this doesn't affect you. You have no skin in

756
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,199
the game. You're an NPC, Like, stop stop curating us

757
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,119
like a random rage at Donald Trump right or at

758
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,000
conservatives or of I mean, it doesn't make any sense

759
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,039
and it's fake because it's like this is it's like,

760
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:01,119
you know, you you don't play a role in these processes.

761
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:07,760
You know, you're you're You're just the background. You're you're, you're,

762
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:13,000
you're just the background elements. You know, so people this

763
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:17,320
idea that uh that this this idea that you know,

764
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,960
some majoritarian element. Once you convinced them, they become radical.

765
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,440
The things change. That wasn't even i mean one of them.

766
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,480
It's fasting to read about the schism between the Bolsheviks

767
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,480
and the Mensheviks. I mean, there's there's a there's a

768
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:33,880
lot of nuances to that. But at the end of

769
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,760
the day, you know, letting this were vand guardists, they're like, no,

770
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,000
this isn't this isn't some Yes, this is a broad front,

771
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:46,079
but we're not We're not Democrats. This isn't some uh

772
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,400
get out the vote campaign. This isn't you know, we're

773
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,079
not We're not trying to capture parliamentary parliamentary majorities.

774
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:02,199
Speaker 2: You know, we are the proletarian vanguard. We are forcing.

775
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,519
Speaker 3: Revolutionary imperative because we're the ones that can perceive the

776
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:11,519
political process and are willing to sacrifice therein you know,

777
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:15,159
there was a there wasn't really an equivalent for that

778
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,760
in the National Socialist Revolution.

779
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,559
Speaker 2: Like Strasserous.

780
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,599
Speaker 3: They they had some reservations about the fear of principle,

781
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,599
but they weren't They weren't really broad front.

782
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Strategists either. It was its own thing.

783
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: So I mean, but you know, point being I I

784
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:42,519
I'll never understand why people think that we're involved in

785
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,639
some get out the vote activity or something.

786
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,599
Speaker 2: I don't know why they think that.

787
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,639
Speaker 3: I don't know why they desperately want some ad i

788
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,599
Q like Rando to like agree with them, you know.

789
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:57,519
And most people aren't capable of understanding political scale. It's

790
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,119
just beyond them, which is fine. There's all kinds of

791
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:06,000
things that are beyond me, Okay, I happen to understand

792
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:14,519
and of instincts for political theory and praxis and scaled

793
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:19,360
systems of a social and political nature and theoretical things.

794
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:19,639
Speaker 2: You know.

795
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:26,159
Speaker 3: The overall majority of people that is not for them,

796
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,079
you know, it's it's not it's not a question of

797
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:32,880
intelligence either. I mean, obviously, if you're if you're extraordinarily unintelligent,

798
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,119
that's an obstacle to whole kinds of stuff. But I'm

799
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:37,960
not I'm not talking about there's talking to people who

800
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,480
are always smarter than me, who don't understand politics. It's not

801
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,920
We're not talking about intelligence or something, to be clear,

802
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,440
And I'm not saying I'm so smart because it has

803
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,320
nothing to do with it.

804
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's one of the things that you know,

805
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,880
people who are out there that I like, I mean,

806
00:53:55,199 --> 00:54:00,119
and they're like, well, race is everything, race is you know, Well,

807
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,119
it comes down to scale. Okay, if you want to

808
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:08,440
do that in an area where you go and you

809
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,199
do it, you can do it. You're not going to

810
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,239
do that in a three hundred and fifty million, four

811
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,920
hundred million that has been importing people from other cultures

812
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:19,920
unless you kick them all out. And how are you

813
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,400
going to do that. I think people have this idea

814
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,159
that they're going to have the Turner Diaries and you know,

815
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,360
not realizing that that's a piece of fiction, and not

816
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,000
realizing that if you had the Turner Diaries. You wouldn't

817
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,719
want to be there, you'd be leaving, You're be taking

818
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,320
your family and going somewhere else.

819
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: No, it's not realistic. And it's also Yeah, I mean,

820
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:44,719
obviously race is important. It's an essential human characteristic, you know,

821
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,480
and along with other essential characteristics.

822
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 2: It's something that that's got it. It's always relevant.

823
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 3: And but this idea that everything is reducible to raise

824
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,360
and nobody thinks that way anymore, other than like at

825
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,599
Randos who aren't really in the game. The reason why

826
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:08,000
there was such this I mean, I mean everybody in

827
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,920
the twentieth century thought that way, you know, Like I

828
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,880
make the point often there wasn't some national socialist fixation

829
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,719
on biological racialism. That's the way everybody thought, Like, that's

830
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,639
the way socialist thought, that's the way liberals thought.

831
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,639
Speaker 2: That's why reactionaries thought. Everybody thought that way.

832
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,119
Speaker 3: You know, the twentieth century, every everybody was an atheist,

833
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,800
everybody was a biological reductionist.

834
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that way anymore.

835
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: You know, say, you come off like a weirdo if

836
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,320
you talk that way anyway, I mean, because you're not

837
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,239
a serious person. You know, we don't wat we don't.

838
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:49,320
We don't sit around devising like public eugenics programs based

839
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,599
on the idea that your blood or your DNA programs

840
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:56,480
you to act certain ways. I mean, yeah, sociobiology is

841
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,920
a real thing. But this idea that you're Jewish, could

842
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,639
you have a certain kind of DNA that makes you

843
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,760
act Jewish? Nobody thinks that way. That's not and and

844
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,480
anybody who does doesn't understand genetics and biological science.

845
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:11,639
Speaker 2: You know.

846
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,079
Speaker 3: Plus, it's not like a political question. It's like, Okay,

847
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,320
it's like if this is this idea.

848
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:20,599
Speaker 2: That uh.

849
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: We you know, we we we we can only live

850
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,960
among people with a certain IQ who don't come in crimes.

851
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,199
Speaker 2: Like that, that's autistic and it's not.

852
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,079
Speaker 3: Again, it's not a political solution, but I mean it

853
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,519
doesn't matter because that's like people vote that got of

854
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:40,480
still for the same kind of people who still invoked

855
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,480
like bullshit like Richard dawkint as if it's meaningful and

856
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:45,840
it's not the fact that some bullshit like again that

857
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
it's that that's shit's out of date.

858
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that way, you know. So that's plus two.

859
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like there's with some exceptions, you always find

860
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,519
outliers here and there, some like mixed race guy or

861
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,360
some Eurasian guy who is very much nevertheless part of

862
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,440
like a white culture. And you know it's like Phil

863
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,519
why not syndrome? You know they have him thin Lizzy,

864
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,519
But uh, you know that's just that that those are

865
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:20,800
the outliers. And obviously ethnos is Ethnos and race aren't synonymous,

866
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,079
but I mean obviously they're inextricably linked, so that it's

867
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:30,559
you know, and I mean ethnos is what matters. Like, yeah,

868
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:36,360
there is a white race, Yeah, there is a there

869
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,199
is an Indo European derived culture. And and you know

870
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:48,920
that whether where there's common moral, intellectual, and practical assumptions

871
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,039
that kind of tether these several populations together. And what

872
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,880
can be called Christiendom or the West that turnsment hygien x.

873
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,800
Not only use term the West. It's just big of

874
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,440
a stand in for you know, like late capitalist society,

875
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,920
your modern society or something. But I mean, you know

876
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,440
what I mean, this idea, this idea that we've got

877
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,000
to have some hardest fuck you on biological race, otherwise

878
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,519
it's going to corrupt the process of decision making. It's like,

879
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,880
how like I you know, but people think that way

880
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,119
too are often themselves super derastinated, Like I sa, I

881
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:26,840
wasn't making the point, like, yes, again, race is real

882
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,639
and there's a white race, but I'm not first and

883
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:34,320
foremost the people I have affinity for in in political

884
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,719
terms are I mean, if you're like me, like you know,

885
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,880
your your confession is your ethnos, I don't. I don't

886
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,079
hang around Ukrainian village and say to a bunch of

887
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,760
you know, UK's won't speaking goes like, yeah, we're the

888
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,159
white people. I mean, like, that's not how things work.

889
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:52,960
And then you know, again, if you think that way,

890
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:56,280
you're you don't leave your house, you're you know, you're

891
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,480
some internet guy, or or you're some deracinated person who

892
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,119
doesn't isn't connected with his own culture as you've decided,

893
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,360
you know that the source of fellow feeling and it's

894
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:14,599
common historical destiny like derives from you know, some some

895
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:17,679
some criteria like group anatomy or something. Yeah, that's the

896
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:19,320
best I can answer.

897
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we have to finish up here. But

898
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,559
I always I find it very odd that a lot

899
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,559
of the people who talk about race are also the

900
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:29,760
kind of people who are like yeah, you know the

901
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,199
United States and everything. It's like localism. No, localism is bullshit.

902
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,800
It's like what do you what are you talking about?

903
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,800
It's like, look at the United States, what do you

904
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:42,360
where do you go to?

905
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 3: Their whole notion is that they were ascinated Liros, And

906
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,079
their notion is they don't like black people because they

907
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:56,079
commit crimes. They like, Jews are standing in for like

908
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,400
the rules in their mind. So their notion is they

909
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,320
want them all of America or Walmart. But you know

910
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,519
without black people who like hassle you and steal your shit,

911
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,280
and without liberals and to them, you know, liberals and

912
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,519
Jews are sort of synonymous, you know. So that's not

913
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,360
where they're coming at it from. They they're not looking

914
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,440
at it as you know, I'm part of this chain

915
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,280
of being that spans a past, the present, and a future,

916
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:33,599
you know that orbits around a confessional heritage and uniquely

917
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:44,000
situated population that came here from somewhere else, but you know,

918
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,960
nonetheless did so in a way that was ordained by God,

919
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:55,280
and you know, based on you know, the the living

920
01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:00,000
memory of my ancestors and the prime symbols that trigger

921
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,960
or sustain those things, and the kind of fellow feeling.

922
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,760
I I am able to cultivate with people of my

923
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,079
same you know, confession and race and ethnos like you know,

924
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,440
there's there's nothing They're not engaging in that at all.

925
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: It's you know, Blackie commit crimes and threaten me. Jew

926
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:19,840
is liberal.

927
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:23,559
Speaker 3: I want all of America, but without Blackie and Jew

928
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:25,440
it's like that basic you know.

929
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,679
Speaker 1: All right, well let's finish that up there. Thank you

930
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:34,159
for doing this today. Yeah, you know, we could have

931
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,320
we could we could have went into uh Sombard or

932
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,679
the Frankfurt School. But let's take you know, take a

933
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:44,920
little break. And I think this is important because I'm

934
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,079
I know for a fact that the overwhelming majority of

935
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,559
the people who listen to our content, view our content

936
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,039
that we interact with pretty much have a nuanced view

937
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:01,159
of how the futures going to look, how society is

938
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:04,800
going to work. And you know, I'm basically by doing

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something like this, it's like just I'm trying to create

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a Spurg free zone. Yeah, you know, you know it's there.

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I'm not gonna let them bother me anymore, just gonna

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block them and just you know whatever. You know, have

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a good time, go into your bubble, and you know,

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you keep keep complaining. But there's a big difference between

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complaining about you know, oh, you know, look at what's

946
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happened to say, look at look at what's happened to civilization,

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look at what's happened to order because of certain groups

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and how things have been shaped, and complaining about oh

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I can't I can't get a job because I'm white.

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I mean, it's one is literally inward behavior.

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Speaker 3: Like a lot of these like I'm always saying, like

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not in words are black, some of them are. Some

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of them are at least biologically white. And that's that,

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Like there's there's there's like a lot of like white

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anwordism in supposedly right wing circles, you know, with these

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Internet people. No, I just you know, gate keep heartists,

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fucking don't don't even engage with these fools.

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Speaker 2: So my time is valuable to me.

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Speaker 3: I know yours is too, So I don't I don't

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waste my time with with fools because because again, like

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my time is valuable to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, everybody go to Thomas's substack. You

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can connect to Thomas off of his substackle. The I'm

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sure he spends most of his time support Thomas on

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the substack. So you can get the episodes which are

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behind a paywall. Believe me, you want to hear the

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latest one with Taylor from mandeloup Hill talking about uh

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was it the last? Is it last battle?

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Taylor is a great guy.

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Speaker 3: The Nlfhill guys are dear friends and they're very kind,

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and you know, they send me all kinds of great stuff.

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And the Irving book, I'm in getting it extensively in

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my own manuscript so is. But having the addle up

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Hill hard copy was really nice. I got the original

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copy from focal Point or like the focal Point one

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from like the nineties, and I got a PDF version

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of the original from I think, like nineteen eighty seven

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or in thineteen eighty nine I think. But no, it's

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it's a great addition. And yeah, not very blessed man,

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and thanks for the endorsement. And yeah, Taylor, I really

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appreciate him taking time out to record with me.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thomas, thank you as always.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like was very well s