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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's me Stephanie Wilder Taylor. This is Drunkish.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: Whether you've just quit drinking, you're thinking about quitting drinking,

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you're never going to quit drinking, and you just like

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hearing stories about people who quit drinking. There's something here

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for you. And before I tell you about my guests,

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plural please give me a five star rating wherever you

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download your podcasts, and also go to YouTube and follow

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the show so you can see what everyone looks like

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and all the hard work of making these clips and

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videos will pay off. Now I would like to tell

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you about my two guests. I am so excited to

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have Sarah Kaufman Bradstreet, who was on you may remember

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a few months ago and she's from the podcast No

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More Wasted Days. And my friend Casey Maguire, who is

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one of my very first guests on this show and

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she is from the Hello Sunday podcast.

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Speaker 2: They are both amazing women sober coaches, and you can

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find links to their websites, to their Instagram and all

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their good stuff in the description of this show. So

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let's do it. Okay, we are here. I'm gonna I'm

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doing this again.

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Speaker 1: Take two. I'm here with Casey. I'm here with Sarah.

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I'm really excited about this, as I was saying, but

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I flew it out, so it's it's not of interest

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to any of you guys. But Casey, you were one

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of my first podcast guests. You were in my first four.

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That is awesome. I love it.

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Speaker 2: And then you are giving me some compliments. I want

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you to start over. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I was totally complimenting you because I said this in

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one of your first episodes. But you were so instrumental

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in my sober journey, like light bulb moment never happened before,

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and talking about sober parenting when I had my kids,

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and my son is eighteen now, which blows my mind.

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I'm ten years sober, so you can see that eight

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year age gap. But when I had my son, I

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was like, mom, wine culture on steroids. I bought your books.

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Sippy cups are not for chardinay, nap time is the

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new happy hour. I freaking gifted them to all of

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my friends because I was like, this is how we're

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going to get through your motherhood.

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Speaker 2: And I was worried about my drinking.

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Speaker 3: I had read for the first time Drinking a Love

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Story when my son was six months old, and so

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I was like hiding it on my kindle, like, oh damn,

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I think I have an issue with drinking. I walk

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into the office and this is eighteen years ago. Go

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down and get my coffee and bagel. I'm hungover, but

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I was hungover every day. And on the front of

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the news stand and there is the article, the famous

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article New York Times.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's a section, yes, but it was on

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the front page.

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Speaker 3: It was like Queen of Mommy Happy Hour gets Sober.

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And I like, I owned all your books and I

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gifted them and I was like, oh fuck, like shit,

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and so I like bought the newspaper. I like went

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online and like copied it into a word doc. And

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I was so sneaky about it. But like the first

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time I was ready to stop drinking. Five years later,

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I still like had you top of mind. I still

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had that word doc. So I like found your website.

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I found Don't Get Drunk Fridays. I found and like,

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this was thirteen years ago. So when I started my

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pot I was like fangirling you and.

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Speaker 2: Was like Stephanie, please come on. You don't know who

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I am. Anyway, Well, I love that and I hadn't

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heard of you.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when my I guess when the book came out,

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when Drunkish came out, my PR person was like yeah,

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and she.

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Speaker 2: Told me she was like Casey like read sippy cups

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really And I was like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Great, because I was being kind of picky back then,

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which is a ridiculous. I was like, I am a podcaster.

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I'm not going to just do any podcasts like stop

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throwing me. People that have, like you know, had like

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forty listens on their podcast. I can't be wasting my time.

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But she was like yeah, and I looked you up

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and I was like, no, she sounds really cool and

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it was really fun doing.

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Speaker 3: And can you help me find my first online sober group?

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That'd be a feedback when it was like a Yahoo.

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I mean, I go back with you. You had no

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idea who I was, but like instrumental.

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Speaker 2: But I love that. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I read and we talked about this

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the first time you were on. But I read Drinking

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a Love Story also way before I was sober, and

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I would I would read or see like movies. I

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remember seeing like When a Man Loves a Woman and

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my thought was always like I never related in that way.

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I was always like, wow, sucks for them have to quit. True,

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I'm so glad I don't have a problem, because that

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sounds really hard.

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Speaker 4: It's like no, no, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting to me that Casey said that because

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I found Stephanie on for Crying Out Loud and it

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was the same way you would talk about your sobriety,

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but not in your face way. And when you would

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talk about it, I would think all of her stories

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sound like me, Like you would talk about how you

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would get in fights with your husband and then you

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wouldn't remember what you were fighting about the next morning,

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so then you would have to pretend to be mad

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at him still the next morning. And I was like, oh,

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that's me. And I was like, Stephanie's an alcoholics she

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had to quit like this, say like, oh that sucks

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to be her.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad I'm not an alcoholic.

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Speaker 5: And then I kept, you know, listening, and it's for

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Crying Out Loud is not a sobriety podcast at all.

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It's a parenting podcast in quotation Mark's parenting podcast.

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Speaker 2: But it's like.

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Speaker 5: Just hearing you talk about it in that way, It

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was always in the back of my head, like I

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think I have a problem. I think I have a problem,

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and I would always come back to, well, Stephanie quit

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drinking and she's really funny and she's still really funny,

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and she quit drinking. I can quit drinking and I'm

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still gonna be really funny. I was really worried I

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was gonna lose like my whole personality if I quit drinking.

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So it's the same thing where I was like, and

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then when you came out with Drunkish, I was the

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same Wayquen have that podcast and I'm so skeared Picky.

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I didn't have her on my podcast until this year

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because I was just so in my head about like

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I can't message her. She's way too busy, yeah, and

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way too big and important conversing.

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Speaker 3: About you are way too busy.

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Speaker 4: I'm exactly you.

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Speaker 1: Know what, I'm the busiest non busy person. Do you

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guys know what I mean? Are we all like eighty

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where sometimes I'm just like.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have so much to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm so overwhelmed, And then the second I don't have

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anything to do, I'm very anxious and literally like laying

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on my bed doing nothing, going, oh my god, my

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life is horrible. I'm not doing anything, you know what

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I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's very all or nothing. What

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I was going to say is we all have in

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common the getting sober after we had kids, because I

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know a lot of people that were sober and then

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they had kids, and I kind of I'm a little

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jealous of that. And for me, my timing seemed very

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unfortunate because you know, I got sober, I had eighteen

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month old twins and a four year old, and I

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look back and I just go, wow, that seems like

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a mistake, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: The timing is when it is, but like, wow, did

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it's really painful when I think about being newly sober

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and dealing with, you know, a kid who had some

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health issues. You know, my daughter, Sadie was born really small,

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and then her twin was regular sized and having sort

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of more regularly eating regular everything. And I just remember

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Sadie not sleeping and laying I wrote about this in

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my book, but like laying next to her crib in

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a bean bag chair, going fuck my life. I want

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a glass of wine so bad. Like that was some

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of the times that I really, you know, missed drinking.

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Speaker 2: And how old your kids, Casey were eight? You're kidding.

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Speaker 3: Well, the first time I tried to stop drinking, I

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loved that. I'm like twice the first time, my son

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was five, and then I you know, did really well

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for like four months, and then I got pregnant with

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my daughter and then I was like, oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, I'm fixed.

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Speaker 3: I'm so much better, I'm so much happier, and so

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I was like, I can moderate on a date night

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with my husband.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that didn't work very well.

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Speaker 3: I went back to drinking, and it took me twenty

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two months of like daily hangovers and real worry about

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my drinking to stop again. So the last time I

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stopped very similar to you, except for like no twins.

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was eight. So I also have the like toddler tantrum

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screaming up in the middle of the night getting sober,

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but we can talk about it.

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Speaker 2: I actually it helped me.

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Speaker 3: When I was putting her to bed and that was

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my safe space after dinner.

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Speaker 2: But like Sarah, how old were your kids.

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Speaker 4: My kids were eight.

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Speaker 5: I have twins, and I always am I'm always asking,

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like not asking them. I'm always curious if they remember

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me as a drinker, and they kind of do, and

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like they obviously have memory from like, you know, probably

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three to eight. But I always am like, gosh, once

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sooner because it became so much easier. And I did

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like I did their baby days because I stopped nursing

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or stopped attempting to nurse because it wasn't working at

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like four months when they were four months, and I

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started drinking pretty regularly again, and it just my drinking

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slowly escalated over time, and I had so many days

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where I was hungover with them and just being like,

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oh my god, parenting is so hard.

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Speaker 4: Hungover. But was I gonna quit? No, it was just

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Speaker 5: Over and over, being hungover parenting, feeling miserable. And then

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when I quit, I became such a more patient mom,

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and I just thought, oh my gosh. I never thought

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like I was a terrible mom when I was a drinker,

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but I was really doing my kids a disservice. And

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I always thought, oh, I'm so fun when I drink,

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and I probably become so spunky to them. But now

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I can probably see that I was, you know, not

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a safe mom for them being that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my kids don't remember me drinking, but

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I it's very interesting, like, and I've asked them. I've well,

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and I don't really but I and Elbe doesn't either,

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and she was four and she has a lot of

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memories of being a kid. So in my mind, I'm like, well,

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I guess I successfully hit it. And I'm very grateful

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that we weren't at an age where I could show

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up to something drunk or embarrass her or anything like that.

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But you know, I do have the I have the

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memory of driving drunk with them in the car, So

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I carry that shame still.

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Speaker 2: You know it. Listen, it all could have been worse.

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Speaker 1: I could have continued doing that, and I'm so grateful

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I got sober when I got sober. But I was

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curious how you guys handle talk because now so wait,

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so Sarah, your kids are eighteen, they're fifteen, they're fifteen, okay,

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And Casey, your oldest is eighteen okay, and my twins

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are eighteen, so we all have teenagers. And I'm very

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curious as to how I want to hear from both

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of you. How you've discussed your sobriety with your kids,

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how early you started talking to them about it, how

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open you've been about your past. So Casey, let's start

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with you. Okay.

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in February, and my daughter is a ham right, she's

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twelve now, so she has been on my podcast before.

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She's always asking me when she can come back. She

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like gets on and she's like like and subscribe. She

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wants she wants to blow up. But my son, you know,

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is just more contained. And so for my ten years,

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I was a little nervous and I was just like, Hey,

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would you want to come on my show to talk

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about having a sober mom? And it was amazing. I'm

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so glad we had that conversation. But I stopped when

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he was eight. He was eighteen, and so I asked

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my audience, I mean my women in my groups, and

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I was like, what do you want me.

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Speaker 2: To ask him?

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Speaker 3: And what came back over and over because they all

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had like I have an eight year old, I have

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a nine year old, I have a seven year old?

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Speaker 2: Was does he remember and what does he remember?

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Speaker 3: So I actually wasn't going to ask that because I

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didn't want to know the answer, but I did, and

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it was so cool. He was like, Mom, I really don't.

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I don't remember you drinking. He was like, I have

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so many memories of the last decade of you being

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an incredible mom. I was like, all right, you're but

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buttering me up, but I'll take it. But but I

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don't I don't remember you drinking. And like you said,

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I have so many memories of me drinking, like his

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first birth a fifth birthday at like Great Wolf Lodge, Nightmare,

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all these things. But he really was so complimentary to me.

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He's like, oh, yeah, I told my friends you're a

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sober coach and a podcaster and they think it's cool.

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And I'm like, you do, Like I would think it

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might be embarrassing, but he was like, no, absolutely not.

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So that was cool. I, you know, was pretty in

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my family. I told everyone that I was doing a

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one hundred day health challenge because I was like a

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daily drinker. I couldn't make it more than four days,

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so like no one was going to notice that I

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wasn't drinking. So I definitely told my husband, didn't tell

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him anything else about that. Uh my son knew he

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was eight and so I, you know, sell braided my milestones, right,

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I was like, I hit you know, thirty days.

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Speaker 2: I hit one hundred days.

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Speaker 3: When I made it a year, Mike and Hank made

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me a cake and like decorated it and stuff. And

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then I remember when I hit a thousand days. They

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I still have it in my office. They got this

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big glass like days and went to a home improvement

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like home decor place and filled it up with a

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thousand little like glass blue glass, little pebbles and like

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put a little flag in there. I mean it was

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so cool. So he was part of that. He remembers

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doing that. But yeah, but I wasn't. Like I didn't

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call myself an alcoholic.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: But everybody knew that I used to drink a shitload,

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and I had stopped so long before I became a

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sober coach. He knew that I had stopped drinking. He

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knew I didn't anymore. He knew I felt better my

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husband still drinks, so it wasn't demonized, but he knew

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all about like, oh yeah, drinking, like hangovers awful for me,

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not a good thing. It's addictive. And my daughter like,

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by the time she could remember stuff, I was a

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podcaster and we like talk about everything. So she's like,

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oh my god, I know everything, Like she wants to

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be a like moderator in my group. And I'm like,

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absolutely not. I mean, obviously, that's ridiculous. She's like, Mom,

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I'm sober longer than you are.

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Speaker 2: I have twelve years and I know everything about this.

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I would like, get out, girl.

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Speaker 4: I love that I'm sober longer than you. Mom. That

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sounds like something my daughter would say.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, what about you? What about your experience?

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Speaker 5: So for talking to my kids, it's funny my husband

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quit drinking at the same time I did. We both

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quit together, and we didn't say anything to the kids

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for a long time. Well for like, I don't know,

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I say a long time. It's probably two weeks, but

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in early sobriety, that feels like a long time, right,

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And we started kind of wondering if they noticed, if

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they knew, And I think we told him. I don't

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remember what it was, but somewhere between a month and

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three months, we were kind of like we quit drinking

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and we think we're not going to drink anymore.

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Speaker 4: Like we were very like, do you have any questions?

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Speaker 5: And they're eight, They're like no, They're just like, uh, yeah, no,

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that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like I've been the mom that's like

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since they've watched me share my story so much on

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social media. My daughter sounds similar to Casey's son, where

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she's actually proud of me and shares my social media

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with her friends and I'm like, oh, my gosh, and she.

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Speaker 4: Goes, oh, they think you're so cool.

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Speaker 2: Mom.

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Speaker 5: They're like she's sober and she's a liberal and she

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talks about it and I'm like, okay, Like now, my son,

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I bet he doesn't tell anybody, And I can tell

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he's my kid who is definitely gearing up to try

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things out, like he is excited to try it out,

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and you.

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Speaker 4: Can just kind of tell.

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Speaker 5: And I think I can tell because he's mine, and

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I'm like, it's I'm very nervous.

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Speaker 4: About all of it.

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Speaker 5: So I definitely talk honestly to them, and I do

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think that's one thing that my parents did not do.

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My grandpa on my mom's side died of alcoholism. Essentially,

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he died of a stroke, but it was because of

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his heavy drinking. And I feel like that was never

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talked about to me, and so I try to be

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really honest with him and say, you know, both your

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mom and dad we couldn't control our drinking and I

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can't control myself with any substance, so it's highly likely

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that you will be the same, unfortunately. And I've talked

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to him a lot, like if the longer you can

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hold out, the more likely you'll be able to be

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a normy. And I always tell him, I'm like, God,

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I'd give anything to be enormy. So and I think

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my daughter hears it. I think my son is gonna,

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you know, he's gonna do his own thing. But who knows.

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I don't know. And I don't think there's a right

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or wrong way to do it, obviously, but I just

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try to stay really honest with them and really factual

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with them and say, these were the things I didn't

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know about alcohol until I quit, And these were the

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signs I didn't notice in me until I wit. Now

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I don't get into the nitty gritty and talk about

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blackouts and all that, but I definitely I try to

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be honest. And then the one we talk a lot

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about the fact that I also smoked weed and I

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just quit that. This is my bombshell moment, Casey, I

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just quit weed like a year and a half ago completely,

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and so I've probably started talking to them honestly about

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that just a few months ago and kind of saying,

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and it's legal in our state, while it's legal in

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both of your states too, So it I just kind

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of say that that was my first thing I did,

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was smoking weed, and it was the hardest to do it.

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Speaker 4: So I just am always like.

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Speaker 5: Cry as long as you can to hold out, but

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I just know there's no right or wrong way to

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do it.

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Speaker 1: What about And I want to come back to this

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topic too, because I have some stuff. I have some

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stories too, But as far as like a lot of

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parents feel that they want to introduce their kids to

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drinking because they're worried about their kids, you know, having

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their first drinking experience like out at some party, and

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so they think like, oh, I want to introduce like

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normal drinking, like let my kids have normalize having like

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a glass of wine at home. I'm looking at both

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of your faces and you're not in agreement, and I'm

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totally with you, guys. I'm like, that's a crazy absolutely

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fucking not. But my husband has even felt you know,

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I don't think it's a crazy thing to think. I

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think people that don't understand or don't experience alcoholism or

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addiction maybe do see that as a good thing. And

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I'm with you, guys, or you know, definitely Sarah with

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what you've said, feeling like as long as you can

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hold out, you have less a chance. And my son

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has no interest in drinking. My daughter, my younger daughter,

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has tried it. My older daughter is in college, and

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I think of you sometimes, Casey, with how much drinking

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you did in college. And I know she drinks a lot,

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and I've worried about it, and I don't think she's

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not irresponsible and she's aware of her drinking and I've

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been very open with her and I in fact, I'll

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come back to that, but I think that if your

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kid is not drinking, like, why why introduce them? Why

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be like, yeah, well, I don't want you experiencing at

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college without me, so I'll introduce you to it.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not for it, but what do you guys think?

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm a hard no on that. And I've had

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my family actually go can I pour them a little

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sip of wine? And that was really hard because I

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didn't want to be like the no not I think

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I let him both have a sip of Like I

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was like, they can have a sip.

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Speaker 4: Of your wine, but no, they can have their own glass.

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Speaker 5: And that was just this Thanksgiving and that one's hard

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because there is a part of me that's like, I

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don't want to be such a hard ass and like,

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but I just don't think there's any reason for alcohol.

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Like I know where I stand on it, and I

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don't think it's a good thing. So I don't think

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we don't have it in our house and I don't

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think it's something they need to try with me.

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Speaker 4: And also, who wants to drink with their mom?

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Speaker 5: That's gonna always tell him.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting. So I know Hank drinks sometimes. I mean,

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he's a senior in high school and he's got senior writists.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Luckily his school is super nerdy, So they've tried to

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have parties in the past, and they've been total busts, Like,

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so like, I don't think he's gone crazy like I have.

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I'm always like, dude, make better choice, says than I dude,

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And he's like, I'd like to make some bad choices,

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but he's he's got a different personality. I was always

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like all for nothing, you know, I was. I just

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loved lighting up my brain. Like for me, blackout was

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like part of the goal because anything could happen, which

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not a great strategy and retrospect. But one thing that's

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interesting is that you know on this show, just because

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this was the most in depth conversation we'd had, I

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was like, what do you feel like you can always

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come to me and Dad about And I expected him

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to say something else, and he was like, actually drinking.

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I feel like I can talk to you guys about anything.

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I feel like you're rational about it, which is hysterical

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because I'm a sober coach and he's literally a principal

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at my son's school and he's just like, yeah, you're

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you're I can talk to you about it. And so

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I'm always like, no, I do not provide alcohol to him.

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I do know that when they go to prom and

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they sleep over at someone's house. They probably drink luckily

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at they're freaking prom like they bought all this alcohol

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and the girl hosting the party locked her keys in

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the truck with all the alcohol. Like it's hysterical, how

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many bad luck things they've had. But he tells me

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about it, and I think that's good. He You know

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what I like about it is the idea that he

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knows the warning signs, Like I have told him enough

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stories and enough shit about drinking that I think he

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would recognize if things were going bad.

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Speaker 2: I also am very very clear. I'm like, consent is

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a thing.

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Speaker 3: If you're with someone, they might be walking around talking

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saying they're into it, they may not remember it. Do

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not fuck around, you know, all this kind of stuff.

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I'm like, please please please never drink and drive. Never

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you know, get in a car with anyone who has

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been drinking, Like all that shit that I did not

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care about when I was in college, like did not

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know about, did not care about anyway, That's how we

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talk about it.

475
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: I am such a hard ass, which is hilarious about

476
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,279
drinking and driving. I mean, it's not funny, but I'm saying,

477
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,000
given how much drinking and driving I've done in my life.

478
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,640
I'm not proud of it. I don't want to seem flippant,

479
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:31,759
but like, oh my god, like as a full adult,

480
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,200
I was doing so much.

481
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,319
Speaker 2: Because in my mind I always thought I was fine.

482
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't a person who was like, oh, I drive

483
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:40,079
better when I'm drunk.

484
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: I wasn't like that. I just never thought I was drunk.

485
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,519
Speaker 1: I would fite you to the death to be like,

486
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,799
I'm sober and even when I when I would get.

487
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,079
Speaker 2: Home not remember stuff from the night before.

488
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: But I feel like there is no excuse to drink

489
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,519
and drive now because there's uber And I have told

490
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,640
my kids my same thing as you guys were saying.

491
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,119
I'm very understanding, so I've I was very open with

492
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,279
my kids about my own story. I was open, especially

493
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:14,440
with my older daughter because she was kind of a prude.

494
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,920
She was very late to start any kind of partying

495
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,799
or dating or anything. And I said to her, you

496
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000
are You may not think so right now, but you

497
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:27,000
are going to experiment. You are going to drink, and

498
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,279
it's going to happen before you're while you're still in

499
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,480
high school, I said, And I just want you to

500
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,759
know that, like that's okay, but like, also, I don't

501
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,000
want you to do things because you feel pressured to

502
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:43,559
do it. And if you do drink, you can call

503
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,000
me and I will, you know, one of those typical

504
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,480
Lifetime movie. I was like, no questions asked, I will

505
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,759
come get you. I mean, sure there are going to

506
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:54,680
be questions asked. It's never really happened, but I've told

507
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,079
her as soon as she had her license and was

508
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,559
driving at night and driving other people. I was like,

509
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,400
I don't care if it's a half a drink, you

510
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,400
will not get behind the wheel of the car.

511
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: And I said, and I will find out, Like.

512
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,519
Speaker 1: If that happen, if anything happens, you will never drive again.

513
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: They will.

514
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: I was just I put the fear in them. I

515
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,319
was like, the police, you will get pulled over, you

516
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920
will lose your license. It will I will not pay

517
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,720
for your car insurance. I was like, you know, I mean,

518
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,640
obviously you can tell people you could kill somebody, you

519
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,119
could kill yourself. But my thing is always like, I

520
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,680
don't care where you are. You can just leave your

521
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,480
car an uber and we'll go back and get your

522
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,200
car so much easier.

523
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: And then it's a hard line because it's not about like.

524
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,759
Speaker 1: If you feel like you've had too much to drink

525
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,880
or if you've you know, it's just like, if you've

526
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,160
had anything to drink, you do not drive. And I

527
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,440
even though my older daughter's over twenty one, and so

528
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,920
if there's not a zero tolerance, you know, if you're

529
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,440
under if you're under twenty one and you have one

530
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:01,039
drink and you're below point oh eight, which is the

531
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,839
legal limit here, you will still lose your let. You

532
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,799
will still get a dui because they have a zero tolerance.

533
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:10,359
So for my younger ones, it's one thing, but for

534
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,839
my older one, I still have to say, listen, we

535
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,680
bought your car. It's still in our name, and you

536
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,480
will if I ever find out that you had one

537
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,039
drink and we're driving the car, I'll just I'll take

538
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:23,599
the car back.

539
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm gray.

540
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: I did not know that about zero tolerance. So I'm

541
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,160
gonna my son's going to go to college in California,

542
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,079
and I'm definitely telling him that he won't have a

543
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,839
car there anyway.

544
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: But still, yeah, I mean, I've had a friend and

545
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,319
that happened to that. It happened to a friend of mine.

546
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,720
Her son was under twenty one. He was two weeks

547
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,759
away from his twenty first birthday, and he got pulled

548
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,960
over for not for drinking, for speeding, and he got

549
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,519
cited for the alcohol use even though he was under

550
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:54,160
point oh eight.

551
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,519
Speaker 2: They're super low.

552
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I think it was like point oh one, Like it

553
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,400
was so low, but he'd had alcohol in the system

554
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,519
zero tolerance, had to get a lawyer.

555
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: The whole thing.

556
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 5: My kids are just getting ready to start driver's ed,

557
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,680
so they have to take the little written test first,

558
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,880
and that was one of the things. And it was

559
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,279
it was so funny because my daughter is all like,

560
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,160
did you know that even if?

561
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,799
Speaker 4: And my son's like, what even if you Like, he goes, no, no, no,

562
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,839
He's like, it's point o eight. I was like, how

563
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,160
does he know this? And then he's like, so I

564
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,000
could still.

565
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,079
Speaker 5: Have I'm like, no, it's not point oh eight for you.

566
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:32,920
And then I was like, and I know because when

567
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,039
I was in high school, a party that I was

568
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,720
at got broken up and the cops were like, we're

569
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,559
going to breathalyze all of you and if you have

570
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,240
any alcohol, it's going to be an issue. And we

571
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,160
were all sitting there thinking I thought it was point

572
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,440
o way.

573
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,079
Speaker 4: He'd like oh my god, we're all gonna be in

574
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,000
so much trouble. And he was like, oh, so.

575
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,839
Speaker 5: I was just like no, because my dumbass already thought

576
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,799
that back in high school.

577
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: So now you need to know this. And that's I'm

578
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:00,920
the same way.

579
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,519
Speaker 5: We live out in the country too, and where they

580
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:05,240
would go to hang out with friends would be a

581
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,720
thirty minute drive on a windy highway. And I'm always like,

582
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,119
if you drink, just call me, and they're always like, oh,

583
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,000
you'd be so mad you talk about gas money.

584
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,079
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm not going to be mad.

585
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,440
I'm just going to come get you.

586
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: And I was like, and I'll actually probably be really

587
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,039
proud of myself because I'm a sober mom and I'm

588
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,759
actually available to you at any hour of the night,

589
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:28,119
and I haven't been drinking.

590
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: I remember I wrote this in drunkish, but I remember

591
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,799
my first really proud moment was a New Year's Eve

592
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
and I was at a friend's house. All of our kids,

593
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,200
like most of my group of friends are our friends

594
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,359
because our kids are around the same age our older ones. Anyway,

595
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,279
the whole group of them, We're going to celebrate New

596
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,079
Year's Eve at somebody's house and all the kids, and

597
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,759
then I was with all the adults and a lot

598
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,640
of the adults who are all very responsible drinkers, but

599
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,880
felt like they couldn't drink. And I was like, you

600
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,799
know what, all the kids were going to have to

601
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,839
be picked up after midnight, and I was like, well,

602
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,640
I don't drink.

603
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: I will be the one. I So I was the one.

604
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,359
Speaker 1: They were all like are you sure? And I was

605
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,319
the one who went out. I picked up a car

606
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,279
full of kids. I probably had like seven kids in

607
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,880
my car at the time, and I was still driving

608
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,200
a minivan anyway, and I remember driving after, you know,

609
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,039
it was like one o'clock in the morning, and I

610
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,079
was taking everybody's kids home, and I was like, who

611
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:32,039
would have thought? Who would have thought I would be

612
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:33,480
the sober one, you.

613
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,119
Speaker 5: Know, and you're like this is so amazing, and who

614
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,480
would have thought you would be proud of it, Like.

615
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: You'd be like, oh, yo, you can call me, I'll

616
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:41,680
be sober.

617
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

618
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: Well, in my mind, and I think this goes to

619
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:49,799
what we're talking about. Before I got sober, I really

620
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,640
believed that all moms drank.

621
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,319
Speaker 2: I just thought that's what we do.

622
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Like, who would not what kind of crazy person wouldn't

623
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,680
want to have a glass of wine at the end

624
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,599
of the day to take the edge off. And in

625
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,880
my mind, that's what I thought I was doing at first.

626
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:07,000
You know, I'm having a couple glasses of wine. I'm

627
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,440
feeling more like myself. The day kind of melts away

628
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640
a little bit, and I feel relaxed and like I

629
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,000
can do this. And what person wouldn't want that feeling?

630
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,160
That's crazy because in my mind, we all felt the same,

631
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,920
Like if I wasn't drinking, I felt edgy and irritable

632
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,920
and overwhelmed and this is really hard, and who would

633
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,200
do this? Who would do this to themselves on purpose?

634
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,519
And just have a baby. And I felt very much

635
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,279
like nobody told me how hard this was going to be.

636
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,839
And maybe my personality just isn't cut out for this,

637
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,119
and I'm too creative and I'm too much like, I'm

638
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
too edgy, and I'm two of this and I'm too that,

639
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:50,759
and I can't do it and wine cut that voice down.

640
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,079
So the idea of not drinking was so crazy to me.

641
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,480
It was so like, I mean, it really had to

642
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,279
be proved to me that I just can't do it safely.

643
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,519
I went kicking and screaming. I was like, I am

644
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,720
not an alcoholic. I did not admit I was an alcoholic,

645
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,799
as both of you probably know. The whole first year,

646
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,599
I don't think I would say the word alcoholic because

647
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,200
I had to in meetings. I felt like I had to,

648
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,200
but I didn't really believe it. I didn't believe it

649
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,799
for a full year. I was just like, I am

650
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,519
not like other people. I just don't want to drink

651
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:29,000
because I don't want to risk anybody's life.

652
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,799
Speaker 3: You know, it took interesting. Sorry when you were when

653
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,480
you were talking about going kicking and screaming, me too.

654
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,720
And also I felt once I had kids that it

655
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,880
was like rebellion against being an adult. And I equated

656
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,720
drinking like, oh no, I drank. I mean, I thought

657
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,119
it was like some metaphor for I'm still cool and

658
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,839
I'm still fun. I thought it was my reward because

659
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:03,079
like eighty percent of my freedom went away. I mean,

660
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:07,200
I worked, so I took my kid to daycare. I

661
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,199
worked all day. I used to take guitar lessons and

662
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,000
go to Plate's and go hang out with my friends. Nope,

663
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,280
I had to pick up my kid before daycare closed.

664
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,320
Come home, get them fed, Like this is humbling and

665
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,519
not fun, you know, Like I can only do legos

666
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,159
so many freaking times, but if I had a glass

667
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,960
of wine in my hand, I could do legos. Then

668
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,039
I was like multitasking and it was fun. So I

669
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,719
thought it was part of my personality. I thought it

670
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,159
was rebellion against you know. I was not one of

671
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,719
those moms who were like putting the sign on the door,

672
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
like don't ring the doorbell, baby is sleeping. Like somehow

673
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,840
those moms. I was like, no offense if you're listening

674
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,960
and you're one of those moms.

675
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: But I totally judged you. I was like, oh my god.

676
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: You know, like I was determined that having kids was

677
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880
not going to infringe on my life, and of.

678
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: Course, first it did.

679
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,079
Speaker 3: And the way that I tried to prove that it

680
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:08,880
didn't in fringe in my life was drinking, and it,

681
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,599
you know, at the end of the day, it made

682
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,800
everything harder. I love that I have the contrast between

683
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,320
eight years of my son and me drinking heavily other

684
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,519
than that one year when he was five, and my

685
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,440
daughter from two on not drinking, so like I actually

686
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,719
have the comparison of three four five six seven, drinking

687
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,519
and not drinking.

688
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: If you're listening, it is way easier. But I get it.

689
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:42,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you say like you couldn't the pretend games,

690
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,840
didn't want to play pretend without alcohol, I'm like, I

691
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,320
so feel that because I was always like this. Nobody

692
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,199
told me that playing with your kids was going.

693
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: To be so boring.

694
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 5: I was a teacher, like I should have known, and

695
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,239
the same like when Stephanie said, too, nobody told me

696
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,400
this was going to be so hard. And everybody tells

697
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,239
your parents going to be hard, and we all think

698
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,320
we're going to be way better at it than those people,

699
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,960
Like I was always like, yeah, but I'm a teacher,

700
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,400
so I'm actually going to be really good at it.

701
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,199
And newsflash, it's been still the hardest thing I do.

702
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,079
And I still every day go, oh god, I'm pretty

703
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,360
sure I'm not cut out for this gig, Like this

704
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,719
is I don't know about this, but yeah, drinking made

705
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,880
it so much harder. And I really thought it was

706
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,840
the thing making it fun. And I really relate to

707
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,559
Casey saying like it it gave me a thing. It

708
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:36,199
gave me a hobby because you lose yourself a lot,

709
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,400
and you lose yourself overnight. And that's what doesn't isn't

710
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,199
well explained, and you wouldn't believe it anyway.

711
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,639
Speaker 2: Why your husband doesn't. I don't know if you guys

712
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,119
sense this.

713
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,039
Speaker 3: We both worked. His life changed twenty percent, my life

714
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:53,280
changed eighty percent, and he did thought it was equal.

715
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,079
And I had so much resentment around that.

716
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you're kind of like, well, I guess

717
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,719
the only fun thing I have now is drinking. And

718
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,480
and it was like I could do it at home.

719
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,840
I could drink and play cards with my husband and

720
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,000
you know, and there was this voice in my head

721
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,159
all the time being like, it's still not safe for

722
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,239
your kids. What if you need to get one of

723
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,639
them to the hospital. And I was always like, well,

724
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,440
I'm going to have to call an ambulance. Like in

725
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,960
my brain, I was just like, well, I won't be

726
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,519
able to drive, like and and my drinking brain was

727
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,840
totally okay with that. And now my sober brain is like,

728
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,559
how are you thinking? But it is it's hard.

729
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:30,679
Speaker 4: It's I know, we.

730
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,559
Speaker 5: All have different stories of like and when Stephanie talks

731
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,519
about drinking and driving with your kids in the car,

732
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,280
I did that too. I didn't and it was always

733
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,480
a small distance. I would I could make up an excuse,

734
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:43,880
no problem, or I'd be like, well, I hadn't drink

735
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,119
that much. I still got in the car.

736
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,679
Speaker 2: I thought I was fine, and looking.

737
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: Back, and sometimes I did not think I was fine,

738
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,159
but I thought I was okay. You know, yeah, looking back,

739
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,239
you're a chance I was fine all those times.

740
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I'm I'm jealous of people that are able,

741
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,320
that are sober before they have kids, because you don't

742
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,159
have those moments. But then I meet women who are like, well,

743
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,280
you know, I'm jealous of you because my kids are

744
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,599
grown and now I'm choosing to quit drinking. And so

745
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,920
that's the game of like, you can't go back and

746
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,159
play what if I would have done it sooner?

747
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,159
Speaker 1: It's never too late, though, because I have to say,

748
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,079
I meet a lot of women. I meet grandmas who

749
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:31,599
say that their kids who have kids, won't let them around,

750
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,320
won't let them take care of their grandkids because they drink.

751
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:34,679
Speaker 2: You know.

752
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I've met women who have gotten sober in their sixties,

753
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:41,760
in their seventies and are still so grateful that they

754
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,400
were able to like men some of those relationships or

755
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,360
be trusted with their grandkids, you know, And I always

756
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,320
say it always.

757
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: Improves your life.

758
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anybody quitting drinking and then being like,

759
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,480
I'm so sad I quit drinking, Like why did.

760
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: I do that?

761
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,519
Speaker 1: You mean maybe at prad that or sad people. Well,

762
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,800
but I never thought I would be somebody. I I

763
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,559
mean truly and I you know, I we're all in

764
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:17,360
agreement here. But and this is really for the people

765
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,760
who are sober, curious or on the fence.

766
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: I did not think I was that bad.

767
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,559
Speaker 1: I thought what I thought was And again it's all

768
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,400
in retrospect. In retrospect, I was that bad in that

769
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,039
at the time even that I quit, and I quit

770
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,559
at forty two, so I was no spring Chicken.

771
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: I'd done a shit ton of drinking. You know.

772
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: I still thought there's probably still a chance that I

773
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,320
could get control of this, and maybe someday I will.

774
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,320
But the problem is not that I drink too much,

775
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,400
not that I drink every single night and can't take

776
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,280
a night off. These were all problems I was having.

777
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,480
That was not the problem. The problem was that I

778
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,119
was just a little too unpredictable. And I was like,

779
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,119
if I can't predict, if I say that I'm not

780
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,480
going to drink and drive, and then I did it anyway.

781
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,119
Then that then I can't drink. I've lost like I

782
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,960
took away my own drinking privileges. But I didn't think, oh,

783
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,159
I'm an alcoholic, like what you picture is an alcoholic.

784
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,639
I didn't think I was like Meg Ryan's character. And

785
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,599
but when a man loves a woman, I was like,

786
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,480
I'm not going to be passing out in the shower

787
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,119
and crashing the shower door. I don't need to go

788
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,440
to rehab like none of it. Looking back, I'm like,

789
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,480
I wish we I wish I wish we did have

790
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:36,159
like a blood test so you could just you know,

791
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,360
I wish we had better questions, you know, because the

792
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,400
twenty questions that h I found in the first time

793
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,280
I went to an AA meeting, they.

794
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:45,559
Speaker 2: Weren't they didn't really fit me.

795
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: You know. That's why I tried, even in my book

796
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,079
to write some other questions that you could ask. We

797
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,599
need to update this shit so that people could go, oh,

798
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,079
it doesn't have to look like what you think. It

799
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,719
has to look like you can still really improve your

800
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,000
life and you don't even have to be an alcol

801
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,079
took a drinking.

802
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing that I think the thing, yeah, absolutely.

803
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: One thing that I think let me get away with

804
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,199
it for a very long time is my husband, who

805
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,519
still drinks, but like you know, normally always took care

806
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,719
of me and like if we went out to dinner,

807
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480
I would drive there. There was because I get carsick,

808
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:27,039
still drive everywhere, even even if we go anywhere together.

809
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,239
But it was not a question who was going to

810
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,000
drive home. I never drove home. I would always like

811
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:36,039
fall asleep in the car, using quotation marks, I would

812
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:41,360
pass out. I couldn't pay the babysitter, like I you know,

813
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:47,840
drank a lot, but he always made it okay, made

814
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,079
it safe.

815
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,199
Speaker 2: For decades.

816
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: You know.

817
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,079
Speaker 2: We had gotten together.

818
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,079
Speaker 3: When we were twenty two twenty three, first job out

819
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,360
of college, and I always drink a ton. And I

820
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,039
would even say to him when I stopped when I

821
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,400
was forty, I mean, I'm thirty eight, you know, throwing

822
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:08,119
up in the middle of the night red wine, super classy.

823
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,599
But I was like, you knew who you married, like

824
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,280
you know my girlfriend and I were like love me,

825
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,199
don't judge.

826
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,639
Speaker 2: Me, which is such a cop out, and he was like.

827
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I kind of thought you might have grown

828
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:26,639
out of it between I don't know, twenty two and forty, like, oops,

829
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,320
you're like, well, I kept it going.

830
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: And I'm the same way as Stephanie, where I didn't

831
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,800
even admit I had it, and I couldn't admit I

832
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,159
had a drinking problem. I didn't do it until like

833
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,599
two years of being alcohol free.

834
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: I was like, eh, I.

835
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:46,679
Speaker 5: Was a person who I quit drinking without aa like,

836
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,920
so I thought that meant that you didn't have a problem.

837
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:53,079
And I say that in a sarcastic way because I

838
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:56,320
really am, like I should have taken it so much

839
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,440
more seriously. And then all of a sudden, I was like,

840
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,679
you had a drinking problem. Like two years into sobriety.

841
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,719
I looked and thought, oh, yeah, no, I'm an alcoholic.

842
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,440
I can't go back. And it actually makes it easier

843
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,840
for people who are afraid to put a label on it.

844
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,440
It actually makes it a lot easier when you just say, yeah, no,

845
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:18,360
I'm just a person who can't handle their alcohol. And

846
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,480
it's very helpful. And my husband enabled me in the

847
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:27,400
sense that we both just partied together and we met

848
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,880
each other partying. I remember when I was on dating apps,

849
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,840
so it was on match dot Com and e Harmony,

850
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,239
and I met him on e harmony and we just

851
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,480
partied together, and I thought, oh my god, I'm not

852
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,239
going to like him anymore when we don't party together,

853
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,519
and luckily we still like each other.

854
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,079
Speaker 4: But it was such.

855
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,639
Speaker 1: About that though, like at the very beginning, I'm really

856
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,880
interested in that, Like, did you have some issues with

857
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,960
intimacy when.

858
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: You first quit? Were you like, oh gosh, you was

859
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:57,599
this person?

860
00:43:58,679 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: No?

861
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 5: Actually, like I feel like everything got a lot better

862
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,199
with intimacy, just because I was a person who would

863
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,079
be all like, oh, you're going to get the night

864
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,360
of your life tonight when I was like one wine

865
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,159
glass in and then once I was three wine glasses

866
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:14,760
and I was like, I hope he doesn't remember that

867
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,559
night of your life thing.

868
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to do that.

869
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 5: And then I would continue to drink, and then if

870
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,960
there was sex, it was very sloppy sex where you'd

871
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,280
wake up the next day and go, oh my god.

872
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: That was or like, have you guys ever done the

873
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,159
thing where you wake up the next day and you're like,

874
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,000
did we have?

875
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: Said?

876
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: We would?

877
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,159
Speaker 5: We would ask each other because we have both been drinking,

878
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,639
and I'd be like did we have sex last night?

879
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my head.

880
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: Like he'd like it wasn't about it, and he was

881
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,519
always like at one point in sobriety, he was like, well,

882
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,719
you never rip off my shirt anymore.

883
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, first of.

884
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,599
Speaker 6: All, that happened once, and second of all, I was like, yeah,

885
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:55,519
they have no offense.

886
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,199
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, like you told me about it the.

887
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,119
Speaker 3: Next day, and like he was like, actually, I wasn't

888
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,400
that comfortable sometimes when I was like I was coming

889
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:09,000
in and out of consciousness, like again, not like I

890
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,239
didn't initiate it.

891
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: This is what I'm telling my son.

892
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,199
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't give a shit what she says,

893
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,880
Like she may be walking around talking and like.

894
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: Completely out of it.

895
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 3: But he was like, yeah, sometimes I'm just like, dude,

896
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,079
she fall asleep in the middle of it, and the seconds.

897
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,159
Speaker 2: Ago she all over it. Yeah, sex is way better sober.

898
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,000
Oh my god.

899
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: Most embarrass most embarrassing thing I said in my book,

900
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,599
and I was like really debating it and I asked

901
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,519
my husband. But because early on in our relationship, I

902
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,880
got really drunk and fell asleep mid mid blowjob, and

903
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,360
we called it taking a cock nap. Yeah, so he

904
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,519
told me about it the next day. Of course I

905
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,159
didn't remember, and I literally wrote that in the book

906
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,679
and people relate, which.

907
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean you were like, you know what, you gotta

908
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,039
have a blowjob. You're welcome.

909
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: You're like, that's a lot. Okay. It's like a joke

910
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:04,840
with all my sober friends.

911
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 5: They're like, if you can just give your husband a

912
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,760
three minute blow job, he's really happy, and we were

913
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,079
all like, okay, if we all just remember that, it's

914
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,199
only three minutes. So sometimes I'm even like, I'm going

915
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,599
to send a time for Ryan and he's like, oh,

916
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,000
just take all the fun out.

917
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: You're like, minutes. It's better than no that it's been

918
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:26,519
exactly so.

919
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:28,599
Speaker 4: I mean, you know you fall asleep in the middle.

920
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,079
Speaker 5: No, I'm just sex is. That was one of the

921
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,320
perks too that I wasn't expecting. I thought it's gonna

922
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,599
be weird. It was like I got to newly date

923
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,320
my husband and I thought was kind of exciting, kind

924
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,800
of fun, and it was just.

925
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 4: A million times better.

926
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,039
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, sex actually works when you're both

927
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:53,119
sober and all the parts aren't numb.

928
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

929
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 5: No, I highly recommend sober sex if you haven't done it.

930
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,679
Speaker 1: I do feel kind of bad for people though, that

931
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,599
are single that quit drinking. It's got to be a

932
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:05,880
little bit hard. I guess you have to just you

933
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,239
have to date sober people.

934
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah at first, yes, what I tell people in

935
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,360
my community, I'm like, I would just there's I mean,

936
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,280
there's apps now where you can say, like, I'm sober,

937
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,320
I want to meet other sound yeah.

938
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,599
Speaker 4: So I'm like, it's like fusibility now.

939
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: It's hard if you're used to, like I say, as

940
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,199
someone who has never dated, oh my god, anyone knew

941
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:32,599
since I was twenty two.

942
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: So take this with a grain of salt.

943
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: But I've talked to a lot of people who are

944
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,880
sober and dating, and I think it's really hard at

945
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,079
first because you think drinking helps you flirt and relax

946
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,559
and all these things, and it really turns off your

947
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ability to see red flags. It really gets you in

948
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situations with people that you.

949
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Speaker 2: May not like that much.

950
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Speaker 3: And people who drink a lot, like they're just as

951
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,400
someone who used to drink a lot, they're not tuned

952
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,280
into you. They are tuned into drinking. So yeah, like

953
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I think at the end of the day, it's like

954
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sober sex. You might be uncomfortable at first, and then

955
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it's better. I think the same thing I've heard about

956
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,840
sober dating. But I have also heard that the fear

957
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,519
is that it really limits your pool, your dating pool.

958
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it would be more quality people. That's what

959
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,519
I always see tell people, and that same thing. Not

960
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,559
that I know, because I dated as a drinker, and

961
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I do think I dated some major losers because I

962
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,199
was very willing to be like, well, I mean, he's

963
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not that bad, and I think now I'd be like, yeah.

964
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Speaker 4: I mean, also, I'm just.

965
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Speaker 5: An old lady. So if I had to date now,

966
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I'm like, I probably just wouldn't.

967
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: But you're young and cute. What are you talking about?

968
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Speaker 5: You know, I've got my husband aways tell them. I'm like,

969
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,559
if you die, I think I'm just gonna be asexual.

970
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:06,159
That sounds pretty good. And then I get my own flag.

971
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Speaker 4: It's like.

972
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Speaker 2: Parade.

973
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Speaker 4: I get a month. He's like, oh my god.

974
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Speaker 5: But I am like, I just really think about the

975
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guys I dated, and even that, I go, would I

976
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have settled for that?

977
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Speaker 4: Would I have?

978
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 5: Just like the amount of it was almost this desperation,

979
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and I'm not I am not that person. I'm I

980
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:36,440
don't settle for much in my life, and I can't

981
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believe I did that when I was dating. And not

982
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that I think alcohol was all to blame for that.

983
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,280
I think that's like a whole therapy session I would

984
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,000
need to do. But I do think it allows you,

985
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,320
when you're sober, to see those red flags, to see

986
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those things and say now. It's the same thing when

987
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,199
people say, well, do you lose friends when you quit drinking,

988
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,760
You're like, only the crappy ones. Ye finally go oh

989
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,480
my god, I can't believe I was friends with that person.

990
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Well this has been so great you guys,

991
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:05,679
and I want both of you to take turns and

992
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,840
plug all your stuff. You guys have a lot going

993
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,400
on casey oh yeah, well thank you. I love talking

994
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:14,880
to you guys.

995
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Speaker 3: And I can't believe that I've not met Sarah before, Like,

996
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,159
all right, we're gonna keep a touch.

997
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: This is awesome. Love you. So.

998
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Speaker 3: My podcast is the Hello Subnay podcast for sober curious women.

999
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You can find out all of my info on Hello

1000
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Sunday Coaching dot com. And I do a big sober

1001
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:40,239
Summer one hundred program that is awesome and if you're

1002
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,920
interested in that, you can go to Sober Summer one

1003
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hundred dot com.

1004
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Speaker 2: Good timing for that. Yeah.

1005
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Speaker 5: So, and I'm at No More Wasted Days on all

1006
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,599
of my social media and it's all no underscore more

1007
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,519
underscore wasted underscore Days. And then you can find me

1008
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,639
on No Wasted Days dot co with options to work

1009
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,800
with me. I do a thirty day alcohol free challenge,

1010
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,119
and I will do a one hundred day alcohol free

1011
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,760
challenge that will actually start in August is when my

1012
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,480
next one is happening. And then I have my ongoing

1013
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,079
community of people who are at all different levels of

1014
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,079
their alcohol free journey, and we're called the Daymakers and

1015
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,119
you can find that all at No More Wasted Days

1016
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:23,039
dot co and.

1017
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Speaker 4: I have the No More Wasted Days the No More

1018
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:26,760
Wasted Day's podcast.

1019
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:31,599
Speaker 1: I love it, God, ladies doing something making a positive

1020
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:34,320
difference in this world. I love both of you guys.

1021
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,039
Both of you guys are a couple of my favorite guests,

1022
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,719
and you can go back and listen to both of

1023
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,679
their episodes. Casey has an episode from like one of

1024
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,400
my first ones, and Sarah maybe a couple months ago

1025
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was your episode, And I think you can go and

1026
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,480
find me on their podcast if you go back and look,

1027
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,400
if you want to hear their whole story, which is

1028
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:57,360
really really good.

1029
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Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you guys again.

1030
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Speaker 1: I'll put all the description, all your stuff in the

1031
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,840
description of the show. I appreciate everybody. You can also

1032
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,719
go watch the show on YouTube. All right, drunk a shout,

1033
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it's done.

1034
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Speaker 6: Linn is good again. This yeah, my darn

1035
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Speaker 1: Me.