Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. My name is John Newman Sports Coordinations.
It's time for another edition, however, of Hobby Hotline. Need
last one before the National which we're going to talk
about as well as Fanatics Fest. I'm happy to be
joined this morning, going clockwise, Victor Roman, John.
Speaker 2: And Alex Morning Chat. We're going back to back here John,
you and I let's do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then Alex Tressler Army ATC twenty two
only below us on screen. As I always say, we
were going to talk about the Fanatics Fest and obviously
the National. Uh, but we have breaking news. There we
go the breaking news. Lebron James has signed with the
seventy six ers of Philadelphia, spurning his hometown team of
Cleveland and Miami where he used to play. The rumor
that was really looking like he was going back to Miami,
But not so fast, my friends, as Lee Corso would say,
he's going to Philly. So we're gonna talk about this
the whole hour instead of the other two things. No,
I'm I'm kidding, but you know, I'm not a huge
basketball guy, but I know it. Like I followed in
the hobby a dealer, you know it is big news.
I mean, it is Lebron James, but he is on,
you know, whether I agree with it or not, I
believe he's on sort of the bat. I mean, he's
he's coming down the home stretch here. Whether this is
his last year or next year, you know, he's not
this And again that's not his fault. Mother, you know,
father time gets us all. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not.
Speaker 1: The same player he was, you know, ten years ago,
but he can still contribute the what do you I
guess the short way to ask this question is does
this make the Sixers better a contender? No big deal,
it's just the name. The name is more than the contributions.
Whoever wants to go first here? What do you see
this move as?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: I want you guys to name one person that's coming
off the bench for the Sixers. Everyone can name the
starting five. Who can name someone coming off the bench.
Speaker 3: I would like CoFe you right here?
Speaker 4: That's I think that's going to be the main problem,
right of what that team unless they sign some you know,
key players to come off the bench for super cheap
and everything. They have an all star lineup period, right
and hey, he is who he is, doesn't matter his
age and everything else. I believe that he still puts
in the work and he's he's one of the top
people in the lead.
Speaker 3: Right there you go. There's from the chat room and
here you go.
Speaker 4: So that's the only one that I would have been
able to actually name, which he is All Star himself too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Man? This is this is big stuff, a lot of
a little bit of drama. I think with the Jalen
Brown trade that the Celtics kind of let him go there.
But uh, for those who don't know, let's let's review
the starting lineup, the potential starting lineup for the Sixers.
You're gonna have Tyrese Maxi, right, vj edgecrom Edgecombe, Jalen Brown,
Lebron James and Joelle Embiid. I think, uh that's healthy,
well healthy, It's gonna be the key with Embiid and James, right,
that's kind of as they get older and Embiid seems
to be injured at least half the season.
Speaker 3: But I found it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the bench, you have Anthony Simmons is your
number one guy, Dean Wade, Justin Edwards, Jabbarr Walker, Adam Bona,
Ariel Huck Porty and le Baron phill On. I don't
know half those guys, but interesting on the contract I
found with James where he signed for league minimum for
a veteran, which was like four million, I think it was.
I thought that was you know, he was at the
Lakers for fifty million and then he takes a pay
cut for four million. And my answer was, why why
why didn't you just take a pay cut and stay
with the Lakers. I would just wish that his legacy
would have finished, you know, with the Laker uniform or
the Cleveland Cavalier uniform. But now he's going now to
what appears allegedly of pursuing another super team. But that's
he wants to win. And I know he was quoted
recently on NBA dot com. Let me find a quote.
He wrote, this is my last decision. I'm not going
for money, I'm not going for family. I still want
to compete to win. So that was penned by Lebron himself,
and it's gonna be exciting. I think it makes them
an automatic contending team in the East, and that's gonna
be interesting with the Knicks there. I can't wait to
see that first matchup. But here we go. I'm ready
for the NBA season already.
Speaker 1: And listen, listen. I know I bagged on it a
little bit in my intro there. Well listen, this Sixers
team beat the Celtics in the playoffs, and then what
did the Celtics do? They basically hand them Jalen Brown
and who who they lost with, and then they just
made Philly stronger. So that was a financial move more
than anything else. That'll tell you that. My favorite part
of this Victor and Alex is I can't wait to
see all the Philadelphia seventy six or rookie Lebron James cards.
You know, whenever he changed teams, like the first car
is you know, when he went to Miami, you know,
it was the Miami Heat Lebron James rookie. When he
went to the Lakers, it was the Lakers Lebron rookie.
So now we're going to get a Sixers Lebron, a
rookie in his twentieth something.
Speaker 3: Year of being in the league.
Speaker 2: And first first first card.
Speaker 1: I knew I was I was goping out of that one,
but you know how this goes.
Speaker 3: Every every thing.
Speaker 4: I think I think they came out with the Tops
now card already and there's a super it is of him.
So all I got to say, you know, we are
going to talk about the National and Joe who runs
the National and runs the Philly Show.
Speaker 5: Joe, you're on the clock.
Speaker 4: You gotta get Lebron as an autograph signer for the
Philly Show down the road now, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear the Tops had they kind of like
broke the news with the seventy six ers, didn't they They.
Speaker 5: Were like the first ones.
Speaker 4: It was it was primed and ready because he already
signed that card with them like that was that was
presign He already knew where he was going. But he
told them to hold off and so they had a
queued up waiting and as soon as the announcement broke.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, guys, we could talk. We could talk
basketball for you know, another fifteen minutes if if we want.
I'm not looking do that, but you know, listen, it
is all you know, I know, I gest, but it
is a big deal. It's Lebron James, first Battle Hall
of Famer, arguably one of the greatest players of all time,
or if he asked him, I think he say he is.
But but we're gonna move on. We got you know,
we just finished a big event that Alex attended, aren't there.
We we kind of followed it through other people's eyes,
including Alex here, and and then we got the National
coming up here in.
Speaker 3: A few days.
Speaker 1: These two events often get compared to each other. Most
will tell you that they are really sort of two
different events, if you will. And I kind of agree
with out going to the Fanatics Fest. I can't speak
on that. We're gonna, we're gonna acquiesce to Alex here.
But there's the Fanatics Fest, as Alex would say, the
Standard Slide. It's in my hometown. It's in my hometown
of New York City. Somehow I haven't been yet. I'd
like to go at some point, you know, it is
I do, and I still have some family there. It's
only two hundred and fifty miles. It just it seems
whenever it is, I have something else that that prevents
me from making it there. This year too, would it.
It seems like it's closer to the National than the
past year. So that made it even another you know,
good thing, good thing.
Speaker 5: Next year. They're moving it back to June next year.
Speaker 1: John so Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna try
to get there, even if it's for a day or two,
even if it's one of those where I train take
a train in.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I listen. I'm from New York. I know
how this goes. Traffic be bad, parking can be bad.
But you know, it is my hometown. It is a
hobby event.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And so enough for me who's not been there at
least yet. I wish you for twenty twenty seven. You know, Alex,
You know when you hear the comment like, oh, you
know Fanatics Fest is trying to replace the National or
be better or beat the National, you know what, as
someone who's been to both, you know, how do you answer?
Speaker 3: How do you see that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It's it's what you said in the beginning, like they're
two separate entity, right, you know. And what's what's great
about it is, you know, Michael Rubin and Fanatics at
the same time as the whole board and everybody with
the National, they're all giving praises to each other, like
because they feed off each other, they're helping each other
out it it Fanatics Fest is exactly what they made
it wanted, wanted when Michael Rubin took over the whole thing,
the whole collectible space, he said he wanted a sports
comic con pretty much what it was, and that's what
it is. When if you think of a sport, if
you think of anything, it is there. That's why I
say it doesn't matter if you're in this hobby, if
you're not, or whatever you got, you need to try
to attend it once and just see it for yourself.
Right you can see the pictures and videos and hear
people talk about it all day long like I'm doing
right now, but to actually see it in person and
I kind of understand, you know, what's going on, is
just incredible. The amount of stuff that's inside this one
area at the job is just remarkable. So Joba Center
is the same place they do the New York Comic Con. Also,
you know that they'll happen a few months from now.
But the great part about it for us who love
collectible smack dab in the middle of it is a
mini card show pretty much the same individuals that go
around the country to all the big shows and everything else.
It's hobby shops from around the country are there selling, trading,
buying cards, and I don't know if I talk to
one vendor there that had has had over the last
three years a bad time or a bad show at Fanatics.
Everyone knows the cost is astronomical because the booth price,
having to travel there for you know, your hotel and
everything else. And if you bring more than one person,
like you're paying for all their ways and everything else.
Like there's there is a big amount that goes in
at Fanatics Fest, and every single person and you can
see the people online Tyler Santiago, Santiago Sports, Kyle kin
Card's Car Collective, to all those individuals that are massive
on social media that are posting all their stuff and
you hear it from them like they'll tell you like
they have some of the best shows ever, like that
Thursday the first day because they've made it four days
instead of three.
Speaker 5: Days this year of that festival.
Speaker 4: Because you got to think, there's this is the analogy
that I always bring into play for the difference between
the National and Fanatics Fest, dealing with the hobby that
aspect right ard aspect the amount of people they said,
I think around two hundred thousand went to say the
same amount goes to the National probably a little bit more. Actually,
what is the percentage of individuals that go to Fanatics
Fest for cards compared to the percentage that go to
the National for cards? That tells you the difference for
the hobby aspect between the two. I would say I
always say the card aspect for Fanatics Fest is probably
the collectible to say, is probably close to like thirty
percent of that two hundred thousand came for the card, right,
I mean, that's the respectable number. The percentage for the
National is understandable. It's probably in the high nineties. Not
everyone's coming for the cards. You do have the TriStar
area right and trying to get autograp anything else. But
it's night and day different. You come from this, and
that's why everyone starts saying like the Fanatic Fest is
going to try to take over the National.
Speaker 5: But when the National then.
Speaker 4: Rolls around, they're like, oh, hold on a second, this
line's out around the convention center right now on a Thursday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Alex, were you set up as a were media
or what?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: So I was not sent I'd never set up as
a dealer at Fanatics, fesss. I go and walk and
have fun, you know, I do, since I do social
media stuff. I do did do some media stuff for fanatics,
and I also helped with sports cards, nonsense downstairs and
the Collector's com well. Yeah, the card combine that the
fanatics collect had down and they had they had a
nice activation that introduced you to the hobby to card
collecting where you came in, they gave you a pack
of cards and you can go around. There's hobby shops
that had, you know, upstairs on the show floor hundreds
two thousand dollars cards. Right downstairs was entry level type
of stuff, dollar boxes, you know, slabs there were five
to ten dollars from these few hobby shops and stuff
that were down there. So we got to really understand
the aspect of it, you know, that lower level and everything.
Speaker 5: And there's a little breaking studio.
Speaker 4: People were doing giveaways the people that were coming by
and then fanatics collect had their instant.
Speaker 5: Rips were able to get a free insert.
Speaker 4: So you're trying to hit they're trying to hit all
angles of everything that you can do pretty much.
Speaker 2: Fanatic, Yeah, I would. I would say, Alex, if you
can you know your sphere of influence that you have.
I just from what I was very tentative that weekend
on social media because I wanted to take in all
the information about fanatics I could. But it seems like
on the media side of things, it's like just about
everything is five figure cards. That's all we're really seeing
talking about, bragging about however you want to view it,
and it's just like, man, what about you know, what
about what about us who don't have seven figure bank accounts?
You know, we can we share a five.
Speaker 6: Hundred dollars card maybe you know what, Well, speak for yourself, Victor.
Speaker 3: I'm kidding, I'm kidding. No, he makes.
Speaker 4: He makes one of the points that I've always said
about social media. And this is the reason why a
lot of my content I don't do transactional stuff. I
don't like doing videos about, you know, the deals and stuff.
Speaker 3: I want to talk.
Speaker 4: That's why I want to talk about the stories how
they got that card, you know, or if a connection
from you know, family passing stuff down and everything, because
I call it the false hope out there, right, everyone
sees those huge cards and then they run the target, Walmart, whatever,
and they think they can hit those cards out of
blasters or megas and you can't. Right, that's the false
hope in this industry and social media and I've I've
always had a problem with that, and I would and
luckily we do have some social media people that are
pretty big out there that do talk about the value boxes,
you know, to start, you know, trying to dig and
find those values and stuff and everything. And I'm glad
to see that. But majority of the stuff that get
do get highlighted are those million dollar sales, the dual
gold logomns of you know, it's Connie and everything else.
Speaker 2: So as as you were like boots on the ground,
what was your take was their low end stuff there
and what's the what's the percentage you.
Speaker 4: Think there was because over you know, everyone's involved in
especially the vendors that are set up there. They have
their big cards because there's some big whales in the room,
but they also understand the cost that it takes to
be in New York City on top of the World
Cup ending in Jersey. Technically it's not you know, New
York City that Sunday. Also the SP's being in town,
the Dodgers coming in town to play the Yankees. There's
so much stuff that was happening that weekend. So everyone
knows that money's starting to, you know.
Speaker 5: Wear thin.
Speaker 4: So they know majority of these vendors that they set
up around the world, around the world, and they know
the sweet spot is that I'd say twenty five to
two hundred dollars range. Because the middleman, the people, the
individuals that run this country, the everyday working man, aren't
want they don't want to spend their whole paycheck on
one card, but they will spend a few hundred dollars
on the card with me too, So there was still
a decent amount.
Speaker 1: Okay, A couple of comments here, one from our very
old Tony he says, I heard from petendant said ninety
five percent a fanatics fetch was stage celebrity purchases. Many
influences were compensated or treated well to give favorable reviews
over over priced picks with athletes. Some of that, I mean,
is there some truth and semblance to that in your opinion?
Speaker 4: Alex, Well, I know I didn't get paid anything to
say anything, so yeah, I'm not on that level. No,
I did get to see a few interactions, you know,
of individuals walking around and doing dealings with the vendors.
And stuff, and I never saw anything stage. I'm the
one that everyone's talking about. Is that honestly the part
collector two King of Cards literally that you know, the
trades with the Brady and stuff like that or whatever.
I never saw anything really staged. You know, you know,
we had you know, lovely Jason, Jason Sadegas. He was
walking around and I'm gonna tell you right now, Ted
Lasso walking around the show floor was probably the highlight
of the whole thing. And what people don't know he
was there every day with his kids, walking around, talking
everyone taking pictures. I was able to take a picture
with him at the trade night. He actually left some
of the days to go film something and came back
like he really really seth Meyers walking around like I
grew up watching watching Siern outlock right and seeing these
individuals walking the show floor and being humble in her.
And there was like a few other wrestlers. The wrestlers was,
by the way, some of the best entertainer pro athletes
that are out there, because they just but they were
they were going to the table. You'll see some of
the videos and stuff like that or whatever in between
the interactions and but all those cards in front of them.
I saw cash being handed back and forth and everything
when they take the cards and stuff like that. So
I didn't see any of that stuff, and if it happened,
it kind of sucks it.
Speaker 2: And a couple of interesting facts about Jason and it
was a few days prior to Fanatics Fist, he was
at local card show here in Valpariso, Indiana. He stopped
by the shot their shop, uh too, and then he
came back to Secon a second day. He came back
again the sports card shop with Rex. We're on the
TV screen, so say hello to everybody at the shop.
But he stopped in to check them out there. So
he's been making the rounds and it seems like he's
really got the hobby bug. And I thought that's pretty
cool too.
Speaker 4: So the next comment underneath that Trey Young ripping up
a bruns and jersey with stage. Of course, he was
part of the Fanatics games and the first thing that
you do is your WW entrance, and of course you
want to get the fans going. Him used to be
a Hawk, right, he's ripping up the home team. He's
trying to get that that pop and the buzz. That's
the reason why.
Speaker 3: He did that.
Speaker 4: Of course it was stage, but that was his act,
like he was walking on a WWE rest interestcreus.
Speaker 1: What I you know, when I hope to see all right,
you know Sideka, Seth Myers, others that were at Fanatics,
I'll give them a pass two because it is in
New York, which is a big obviously, you know they
shoot a lot of shows there, movies there, a lot
of these celebrities live there. I'm hoping to see some
of this in Chicago at the Nashville too. If these
folks are now, I know they're busy and they have
schedules busier than even ours are. But if they're real
card collectors, right, this is the super Bowl of the
hobby in the national Like we just said, these are
two different events. So if they really are card collectors,
you know it's five or six days long. If they
can be there even for a day or two, then
I'll be more so not that they have to sell me,
like who the heck am I, but I'd be more like, hey,
these guys really do collect cards and their celebrities as well.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's not confirm, deny if some of
those will be at the National.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this one this you know, Tony's bringing us
up Brady, you know, slapping Paul that had like it
was WWE type stuff. I'm not a necessarily a big
fan of that, but people eat that stuff up right.
Ratings seal that is something you know, you know, a
kid watching that isn't gonna say probably the same thing
I would where like that's kind of goofy and chezy.
Speaker 3: We'll gonna be like that. That's cool. Did you see?
Speaker 5: That is continuing?
Speaker 4: This is continuing what they're few that they had during
the Flag football tournament. You know, Logan was fucking smack
on on Brady and stuff. This is like in continuation.
Eventually they believe for Brady is gonna go wrestle, just
like the rest of the athlete and stuff do to
do do something fun with w W since the connection.
But yeah, that's that's a continuation from all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I thought it was cringe to but
as John stated, under the context of the WWE, okay,
it's like I get it. Okay, I can live with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and again there's a comment let me try
to find it because I want to, I want to
be accurate, And I agree with this comment from Scott.
Speaker 2: Here it is chat is actulutely I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fanatics Fest is the NFL experience, the Major League
Baseball All Star fan Fest in the NBA Jam session
steroids great entertainment with an average card show. Alex, you know,
do you agree with that cake as someone has been there,
I agree, it's.
Speaker 4: It's I wouldn't I know, I wouldn't say it's an
average card show because these the cards that are in
that room are above average, a good you know, good
percentage of them are above age cards. Right, So a
lot of people were I got the questions since a
lot of people do know that I, you know, go
to a national. Everything I do with them is asking
me about the national at fanatics Fest. They're like, hey,
you know, this is gonna be my first time going.
What are some tips? You know what, how what's the
experience going to be like? And I told everyone, I'm like,
take this whole room, take the whole job at center,
take all the corporate down. Now you're gonna leave some
up whatever, you know, for topsins they're there, but but
all card tables across the whole job at center.
Speaker 5: There's your national and they're like really, I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, yes, yes, all these would be tables of cards
and vendors from around the world, really around the world.
So but the good thing about Fanatics Fest, right, you know,
it's more than more than that average card show like
you have. I mean they partnered, of course Fanatics part
of the CDC. CDC had there's three big cards that
they had on display, like you know, three of the
most iconic cards out there. The Honus Wagner that they
just graded, the Mantle and the Wayne Gretzky that was signed.
So it was cool seeing that type.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, and we talked before we went live about
what's being labeled as the Franken Wagner kind of got
that uh title and uh you know, uh, Victor, you
watch some content where you know they're you know, it's
being called restored, you know, authentic restored by CGC when
they're by their own definition. You told us it should
be altered, authentic altered. That's how SGC, If SGC would
have graded it, I'm pretty sure that's what it would
have got from SGC and probably other graters. You know,
we we don't official to me, to my knowledge, we
don't officially acknowledge restoration in the sports card hobby, maybe
in the art world, in the comic book world, and
maybe in other industries or hobbies, but not yet really
like it's known that it happens. We're not naive, but
we don't, I think on the grading level, we don't
really recognize that. And yet here CDC has labeled that card,
you know, authentic restored what maybe according you know, and
I'll let you explain it even better to you, that's
authentic altered And I feel the same way, but but
go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was on a I typically watch a
live episode on every Friday night because I'm Carlos friends
with a couple of the guys there, and we we
got into a discussion last night about this card, and
I started doing some research on it, and we were
discussing the should have should what kind of designation should
have been given on there because they put restored authentic
and so there was a lot of debate in the
chat about it, and so I jumped online and I
started looking up. I wanted to know what was cgc's
definition of authentic and restored because I think they're they're
the grading company. I think that is the best definition
to go by and to me, definition of words is
a big deal, and PSA's definition of authentic and cgc's
might be different. So I wanted to get it straight
from the horse's mouth. I went to the CGC website
and I found a link called sports Card Glossary for
CGC on cgc's website. And for authentic, the definition according
to CDC doesn't fit. Now, the definition of authentic altered
definitely fit as a proper designation for that card. So
why they went with authentic instead of the AA designation,
I don't know, but I would I would hope that
maybe we can get some kind of explanation on that.
Speaker 3: All can give you one.
Speaker 1: I can give you one, you know, because let's be real, right,
because restored sounds better than altered. Yeah, the term altered
means it's been messed with, right.
Speaker 7: But that's what the card was a beneficial Like, hey,
we restored the community park it was it was begetting
decrepit and we restored to part we made We put
new flowers in and hedges and the playground.
Speaker 3: We restored it.
Speaker 1: It sounds better than hey, we altered the part so
well that same for the cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to look because they had a definition.
So I wanted to look at the word restored. What
their definition of that word is. There was no definition
for that word, but there was one for altered. And
when you break down their definition of altered, it dealt
with trimming, coloring. And you know, all of the attributes
that they gave that definition apply to this Franken Wagner card.
So it's like, I don't know to me, and it
may just be semantics, but I think when we're dealing
with a million dollar card, plus, I think that those
little details matter, and I think an AA designation for
authentic altered And instead of using the word restored, we
can put restored altered or just you know, just change
it to altered because by definition, do and through that's
what that card is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the comment from Brad who says, Hey, the
beauty the hobby is each individuals they're laying who cares
the terminology? Someone what's an incredible looking Wagner to own?
Speaker 3: And they're going to have it?
Speaker 1: And you know he's not really wrong, right, someone is
going to pay a lot of dollars to win this
card in the auction, uh, and they want it, right,
It's I you know, me and me and Tony talk
about this, you know, during hobby polooza. I rather, personally,
I rather own a low grade, not altered, not touched up,
whatever whatever word you want to use. And I'm not
gonna be listen, I can't even afford that. So but
someone is going to pay for that, and so you know,
and then you add in the fact that it was
in Keith Oberman's collection and that people it's a great story.
Speaker 2: Right, really, yes, I just disagree with you know, terminology
doesn't matter. And that's the problem with this hobby. We
can take one word and that one word has six seven,
eight different definitions just depending on who you talk to.
And I think words do matter, especially when you're an
authentication company who deals with designations and that's like that's
like those definitions are everything that that their business stands on.
So terminology is incredibly important.
Speaker 3: All right, So I have a question.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, being the content creator that I am, and
I just had a vision. Victor is gonna get all
the pitchforks and you know freaking you know, flames and
we're used to it. We're going to the CGC booth
at the National after going after the the fucking Franken
Franken Wagner, Like we're re enacting Frankenstein.
Speaker 5: Literally with with the true hobbyists that wanted to be changed.
Speaker 1: I want, you know, what would be cool when we
can get a little fanatics fast vibe at at the
National have someone dressed as Frankenstein near the the Franken
Wagner with a chain.
Speaker 2: Of a Wagner kind of.
Speaker 3: You just made it better, Victor, He just made my
idea better.
Speaker 1: Here's a here's a question, and definitely down on Victor's alley,
I believe do you think the terminology restored, slash, altered,
et cetera will affect bidding at all? I think the
bidders will know exactly what they're bidding. I think bidder.
If you're bidding what was over a million dollars, you're
sure as hell better know what you're bidding on. Or
I want to be you where you can just throw
millions of dollars away carelessly. So yeah, you know, sports card, CBA,
you definitely know right if you're spending that kind of money.
But I also think what that flip, what's on that
flip could potentially affect what someone's willing to pay. Right,
someone may as crazy as it sound, if it has said,
like from the Oberman collection to someone, that might be
a few more one hundred thousand dollars that they're willing
to go to add that to their inventory. So I
do think what's on the flip does matter. Right, It's
it's aesthetics. It's like when you buy a house, right
and it has a nice fish, you know, has a
coy pond in it.
Speaker 3: Right, it's gonna bring it's gonna be a little more.
Speaker 1: Attractive, or you know, it just got painted or recited whatever,
you know, it happens on the front. I think the
flip can be a selling point how it's worded, or
or or detriment. Right if that card said you know, altered,
just altered, you know, authentic altered, I think it still
will sell.
Speaker 3: I'm not debating that.
Speaker 1: But it maybe it brings a less you know, when
you're talking millions of dollars and thousands of Yeah, I
don't know, a little less. There's still a lot of money.
It's not like going from one hundred dollars to eighty.
Speaker 2: But then we're not telling the truth. Man, Let's just
call it what it is. According to your own definition.
Why why is that wrong? It's not wrong?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yes, And here's the question, yep Keith Oberman,
former ESPN host of his own show, Huge Card Collector
and historian as well.
Speaker 5: So, Victor, you just got that CGC in person at
the National There you go.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So here the it's this one's from Abe and
Vegas should have have been AA authentic altered. So that's
kind of what we're discussing, right.
Speaker 2: Their definition of altered covers the restoration side of it,
it's anything colored or trimmed. And there's another one in there.
I forget what it is.
Speaker 4: But is there any other is there? Is there any
other cards that are actually tagged restored by them?
Speaker 2: That's a good question, A good question.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Right, we're putting a lot of emphasis on just you know,
the wagoner, like, did they realistically roll out a new
aspect of it?
Speaker 5: I probably not. They probably have others out there. I
just had never seen one.
Speaker 1: Mike Patty says, it's only at nine hundred and five
thousand dollars this morning.
Speaker 2: Now, it was at seven ninety last night. It was
at seven nights.
Speaker 1: Well before before I logged on, I jumped in a bid,
so so far I'm holding old and strong.
Speaker 3: If I do win this, guys, I will be calling
both of.
Speaker 1: You up to like we can like conglomerate the purchase,
hopefully off to sell my house.
Speaker 3: I don't know where my wife's gonna live. I'm sure
I won't be living with her.
Speaker 4: Apparently, apparently I have a lot of money because people
think I'm paid by fanatics.
Speaker 5: But so I'll throw in a few hundred I got.
Speaker 1: You, all right, We're all right. That knocks it down
a few hundred dollars. But I know every listen, every
little bit.
Speaker 5: Helps the hotels run the National Orange cheat.
Speaker 1: Uh. People will buy the story of the car. That's
true and that's that's always been and I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: So the Stuke's message right there, John talking about the
loan officers at the National, Yeah, get go get a
loan by all gives out a lot of money at
car shows these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I have good credit though, so
that will help me. Should should I need to go
down that route? So you know?
Speaker 1: And and Carl from from Australia, Right, it's a a
point right here, I'm honestly getting tired of all the
million dollar plus cards. There's certainly not things I ever
aspire and never will, just hate it all being about
the price. Right Again, I've said on my shows, guys
and you guys know this, and probably most of that room, right,
it's probably two percent of the hobby that really plays
on that in that space, right, And it's like, but
that's what people want.
Speaker 3: Some people want to hear about that all the time.
Speaker 1: And whether it's just like pipe dreaming or hey, if
I win to mega millions, I can start doing stuff
like that.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I find it interesting. But there's also a limit, right,
There's also a limit to everything.
Speaker 3: So it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna buy it for, you know, probably over a
million bucks. It's already, like Mike Petty said, over nine
hundred k, so with plenty of time left. So that's
going across the seventh figure mark. And I guess the
question is how much passed the seventh figure?
Speaker 2: Wait, we passed. It's still it was at seven ninety
last night, twelve hours ago it was at seven ninety
and it's now at nine oh five, and it still
has like thirteen days to go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the third day of this oxer, So everyone,
you have thirteen days to go to scratch up what
you got, sell off some assts, you know, cash out
your four to one k, pay a little penalty, and
be the proud owner of a formerly Keith Oberman restored
authentic you know, Alis Wagner card if you will and.
Speaker 1: Be skeep says, hey, it's less than two percent play
in that rare air space. Probably probably true. Probably, you know,
the hobby's huge, so it's probably less than percent, But
you know so.
Speaker 2: I think I think the more interesting thing is the
bigger picture of the story of this card. I think
is going to be in the debate that is currently
in the hobby about restoring cards or cleaning cards or
trimming cards. There's so much debate. Now this card. What
is it going to say to that is is the
is restoration and cleaning cards becoming more accepted within the hobby,
and I seem to think it is. When you read
the comments of people who clean cards and that sort
of thing, there seems to be an awful lot of
support for this practice. And then we're going to see
this Franken Wagner what the final hammer price is going
to be.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it's becoming more and more accepted. What are
you guys' thoughts on?
Speaker 1: All?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: So I think I agree with you would be more
accepted because when it comes to these vintage cards, right,
what's what's better?
Speaker 5: I appeal?
Speaker 4: Right, So if you can restore it to make it
look better like that, that's what people want these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're right, Victor. I think it is becoming
more accepted.
Speaker 3: Like it or not. I'm on the I'm on the
k not side.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, but that's just I can only
speak for myself, right. I think there's a trend now
in the hobby where this is becoming more like. Okay,
I'm not a poete, you know. I think people are
changing their minds, not me, but enough other people where
it is a discussion. A lot of people, don't you know,
know them, think that there's ten commandments. There actually was eleven.
Uh it ran out, uh you know, Moses ran out
of stone tablets. But the eleventh was going to be
this one Dala show not clean now, I think you
know so? Uh No, I'm a known dad, so that's
what you get no, I'm I'm like.
Speaker 3: You, Victor, I don't. I don't like it. I don't
like it.
Speaker 1: It's not my money going to be buying it, obviously,
But I think there is a I don't want to
say a turning of the tide. I think that's maybe
too strong, but I think there is people sort of
going from one aisle, crossing over and going to the next.
Speaker 2: I'm just not and John, that's as old timers in
the hobby, right, if we can call ourselves that, that's
a tough pill to swallow for an old timer, right,
And it is, it really is. And so but it's
this man, you know, it's one of those things that
we've been hearing for years, Right, the hobby decides right,
and the hobby seems to be leaning towards it's okay.
And so that's a transition that we're gonna have to start.
I think if that being the case, I think there
needs to be some kind of identification on that label
that says that the card was restored or altered or
whatever adjective they want to put on there. We need
to identify that. And just that way, if you're for
it or against it, you at least know what the card?
You know what the deal is with the card?
Speaker 3: All right, Well we'll kind of close it out and
get to the national heir.
Speaker 1: A couple of quick comments, Orlando's pointing out that the
non restored, authentic altered Wagner on Heritage is currently at
two point five million. You know what, I hope one
person buys both. That's like funny on some rich person
buys the Heritage Wagoner not restored and also the cgc
uh you know Wagner restored and buys them both.
Speaker 2: Would we haven't seen this card in decades. Now, all
of a sudden, it seems like every other month we're
seeing a Wagner.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, what what?
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's a fear like I'm
not fear, but you make a point victory. I think
what it does it opens up that door to see
more of this because if it's become more accepted, Right,
why do we not do things you know won't be
accepted or I'll be looked at differently. Right, if it's
starting to be more acceptable, more people going to start
doing it because they won't be sort of the oddball.
Speaker 3: It'll be more mainstream than it ever was before.
Speaker 1: So I think the problem is now we're I don't
want to say problem. I think what we're going to
see now is more of this potentially occur with some
iconic cards, right, And you know, like you said, the
Hobby's going to decide. People are going to decide with
their checkbooks and bank accounts what something's worth. I just
like you said, being an old school guy nineteen seventy nine,
I want I want the best conditioned card I can
afford that's not been messed with, if that makes any sense.
And I don't think that's gonna change. Maybe it's me
being stubborn or like you said, old school. I'll wear
both of those tags without shame. And you know number one,
I couldn't afford these cards anyway, so I don't have
to worry about it. But from you know, a question standpoint,
it's not something I would I would try to buy
again to each day row. All right, guys, there's another show,
another event coming up here in a in a couple
of days that the Hobby's definitely familiar with, and being
held in this building here, the Donald Stevens Convention Center
in Rosemont. We will all be there for this event,
not just Alex, but this is Victor's backyard and it's
not for me, but I always make a point to
try to go. And the one thing I wanted to
ask Alex when we were talking about Fanatics fast, do
you know how many dealer tables there were at Fanatics
that were like for cards, trading cards.
Speaker 5: And fifty different vendors were there.
Speaker 3: That's a small foot.
Speaker 2: That's a very small foot.
Speaker 4: So it's not tables, you gotta think. So some of
them had like six seven tables or whatever the day,
but there's two hundred and fifty separate you know, companies or.
Speaker 2: People that oh, okay, yeah, I was considered smaller than
a region.
Speaker 3: No, you're look.
Speaker 1: You know obviously the nationals four figures and tables. They've
expanded that now starting last year they went to the
second floor. I think that's expansion continues. Uh you know, uh,
the main stage is being redone this year. We'll talk
a little bit about that towards the end with with
something with this show. So it continues to evolve. I've
heard other people kind of meld both of these topics together.
There's some people that are are would like to claim
that at some point Fanatics would like to acquire the
National and own it and and run it themselves. You
know when when early in the stages, when Fanatics acquire
tops and were talking about getting in all these things,
I said, I jokingly said, like, maybe they'll buy the
National and it'll be the Fanatical.
Speaker 3: And then that was even before Fanatics Fast was even
a thing. They launched their own show. I mean, what
are thought?
Speaker 1: You think that's something in their master plan or they
just comfortable doing what they do, Like the finete I
read somewhere cost them like ninety million dollars just to
put that thing on. You know, again, you can't be
bought unless you're selling, so the National can say we're
not for sale, you know, blank check or no blank.
But I've heard people talk about that. Whoever wants to
I don't.
Speaker 5: You can go ahead, Vigor, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of that concept. I just think
they both compliment one another. Let's just leave it like
that for now. And I think each is its own entity,
each has its own purpose. Why do we Why do
they need to merge that? I don't know, I don't
like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it there They're not going to like like the
collector's dream just posted. The National is a nonprofit, right,
it's as the board has everything else they're not selling.
And on top of that, you know we talk about
you know, fanatics having their hands and everything. The fact
that I don't know if they they would be fine
working with all those other companies honestly at the National,
because you don't see Panini, you don't see Leaf, you
don't see those other individuals set up the fanatics fest, right,
The fact that they would be in charge of it
all and those other you know, companies that are competitors
honestly in their space, would be that. So I think
that the word was out there that they did want
to buy it. That is one hundred percent true. But
they've the National. They have no no interest in selling
PID to anybody because I just love doing it. Remember
that the people that are running it, people are on
the board, the people that the actually the three that
are running it, they love this industry, they love being hobbyists.
They love this stuff, and they'd rather just keep doing
the way they are than you know, make some money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's again. Yeah, I'm with Victor. I
hope that never happens. I like the National, the National
and you know, I know that's nonprofit. There's a couple
of comments saying, you know, you know, come on, like
you know, nonprofits can make money to a certain extent
if they put the money back into the endeavor. There's
all sorts of rules. A nonprofit can be sold like that.
People think like that that can't it can be. It
can be like the power can be transferred. So that's
not a deal breaker as far as being a nonprofit.
But I'm you know, I don't think it's going to happen.
But I didn't think someone would ever own tops other
than the Shore family either. So you never say one
thing we've learned in the hobby right, never say never,
because the minute you do. You know, we got collectors
that owns three three to four major grading platforms.
Speaker 4: One of the things I do have to say about
you know, you said you brought up the whole fat
access you know, ninety million to put the eighty to ninety.
Speaker 5: Million to put that together.
Speaker 4: As soon as you walk thing you could see it,
you can see it from the sign is everything they
have everywhere, right, So when you walk in so many
big huge builds, platforms and everything that's there whatever, But
you also got to look at the branding that's everywhere
that probably paid towards that. At and T was one
of the main sponsors. They had multiple spots whatever. From
my understanding, you know, I don't don't give me a
quote me on certain numbers. I think they paid like
twenty million to.
Speaker 5: Be all over that individual.
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's almost a quarter of it right there,
right on top of everything else. Right, So there's a
lot of money that went in and you know, but
the stuff that comes out, like you see a lot more.
For another big difference between the two Fanatics you know
has all the merch, big merch and stuff like that.
The National has National merch. You know, I'm learning stuffing
from last year of course, but they have all those
other clothing lines on their Fanatics. That's one of the
biggest areas of Fanatics festival is the merch village, all
the different shirts and everything else that they have over there.
I mean, you were able to get air Force ones
customized with game used jersey put over the Nike logo
like on station like there was some cool activations and
stuff like that, or it was event or they used
like replica jerseys they put on there so those type
of things, you know, Fanatics has their hand a lot
more into because they that's their business, you know. The
National Again, that goes back to they're there to host
a collector's convention, not try to truthfully sell you stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, And I do think the point about the the
how it looks right as soon as you walk in,
I do. I will admit as a homer to the
Chicago Convention Center because it's only an hour away from me,
But that doesn't include our fifth season out here, which
is construction season, so that our drive turns into two
hour drive. But I do think that the Convention Center,
and this is more on the Convention Center than it
is on the Nationals board, is that the building is
starting to feel a little dated, that it can use
a fresh coat of paint, maybe some fresh panels somewhere.
The decor can probably improve a little bit, and we can.
It'd be nice at the very least. It's it's getting
kind of like boring to look at the same ugly
building all the time, you know what I'm saying. Outside
the aesthetics are nice, but inside it's starting to show
it's eight But yeah, I'm maybe they'll maybe this year
is the year that they're going to do something different.
Speaker 1: I like different cities, right Like, I'm looking forward to
Detroit in twenty eight, not against Chicago Chicago.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: How far is Detroit? How far?
Speaker 2: I disagree?
Speaker 3: How far is Detroit from where you are? Victorim?
Speaker 2: About five hours? About five?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's six hours from me in central New York here,
which is my sort of six to seven hours I'll
drive to. If you get past that seven with Chicago
is well passed, then I have to fly run a car.
So my expense report goes up somewhat, not somewhat, it
goes up, and Detroit I'll be able to drive to,
so that I'm looking forward to that. I've never been
to Detroit, where I've been to Chicago multiple times. Heck,
I've been to Chicago even not for the National just
for other other things. So I'm looking for the new venues.
You know, I'm an East Coast guy. Uh but like
in fairness, like if I lived in California or Washington
or Seattle or you know, Nevada, the West coast there,
like it's always like and I was a collector or
what I am now, I'd always have to go you know,
way east. Even in Chicago, it's not close for those folks,
even though it's central locate. I'm all for having like
a West Coast national, even though it will cost me
more money to get there.
Speaker 3: Like I just I believe in fairness.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're and you know, there's even
talk of having like an overseas national, like a lot
a National in London. H I don't know if I'll
be able to get there. Well, you know, if whatever happens,
then i'd have to crunch the numbers. But uh, I'm
a guy that likes to see it move around. I
don't think it should be it's gonna be in Chicago
for three straight years, so with next year's national there,
I don't think it should be anywhere now, says is
not me bagging on Chicago. I don't think it should
be in any city. Three straight years.
Speaker 3: I'll go too. I'll agree with two, but after that,
I think it's got to move somewhere.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna challenge you with this question,
because now what you're doing is shaking the foundation. Then
do you agree with the dealers voting and choosing where.
Speaker 1: It's gonna Oh man, that's a good question. Here's what
I'll say. I think they should have a say. Right,
they're the one setting.
Speaker 2: Up without the dealers, you have nothing.
Speaker 3: No, you're right.
Speaker 1: I think they're say should be it should be a
weighted percentage, so whether that's like sixty percent, seventy percent, whatever,
whatever you agree on.
Speaker 3: And then I think the other percent, whatever it is, thirty.
Speaker 1: Should be like collect or vote, and you put those
two almost like the electoral college. Uh.
Speaker 3: In politics.
Speaker 4: What I think is first, first off is have they
announced what they're voting on this year for twenty nine?
Speaker 2: I have heard.
Speaker 5: I haven't either. That's the reason why I'm asking. There's
a few parts of this.
Speaker 4: If you look at the demographic of the vendors that's
set up at the National where do you think the
majority of them are at. They're in the Midwest, They're
good population of them are in the middle. I'm the
same as you, John. I love traveling. Of course everyone
sees that because I go everywhere, but I love seeing
the new cities. I've never been Detroit, so I'm looking
forward to that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: What I think should happen would would be pretty cool.
Have a little voting thing at the National this year
out in the lobby with where would you like it
to be? Let the let the people the collectors coming
through have a little kiosks there they can know iPad
or something and put that what cities they would like
to see the natal in and getting nice little poll
going from the people that are coming to the actual you.
Speaker 5: Know, to to the commandments deal.
Speaker 4: It's a huge it's a huge deal. And and I've
been you know, they I've sat down and they told
me the whole process of you know, trying to decide
what gets voted on. I mean it starts off they
have all the cities, like they're like, we want all
these places, and then they break down what's of what
city convention center is available during that week? You know
that cuts that's cuts them Inhattan.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I mean it could be you know, the dealers have
a vote and they should carry the majority of the vote,
but then there should be the people's vote. Yeah, and
there should be maybe like here are the cities where
we possibly can have it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so so you gotta you gotta go off
of you know, they want to be all these cities,
these are the only ones that are available during that week,
right then they break down. Okay, now, how's the infrastructure.
One of the things that I believe Vegas it will
never be in Vegas is because the National can't control
the hotels in Vegas.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: They want to be able to have that, you know,
National being able to get a little bit cheaper for
the vendors and other people during the vps and stuff
like that. The casinos all run the hotels in Vegas.
There's they'll never be able to do that. So that's
one thing that sucks. It probably will never go out there,
never say never, But there's so many different logistical things
that go into where it's going. As much as we
want it to be other places, I don't.
Speaker 5: I just want to be there.
Speaker 4: I just want to be there amongst everybody else. I
honestly can be in Chicago for the next decade. I
don't care because you can get out of Chicago really easily.
Hotels all right there, everything's there, and we know how
it is. And there's two baseball teams that hopefully one
of them is playing at some point.
Speaker 2: You're not weak, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: If you're a Yankee fan this coming week, all week,
you're you're in luck because they're in Chicago all week
playing the White Sox at the front of the week.
Speaker 3: I know Alex is going Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I'm going Tuesday, and then they play the Cubs and
Wrigley on the back end of the week. The back
end of the week, I'm sure Alex and Victor will
agree what I'm about to say. That's when things get
real busy for us, even after the show closes.
Speaker 3: So I'm not it'll be tricky.
Speaker 1: But up Tuesdays perfect because the show is not officially
open yet and I'm gonna be there early.
Speaker 4: And so a lot of the a lot of the
Cubs games, a lot of the Cubs games are actually
day games too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 2: During the show, so I heard a podcast episode by
Brett from Stacking Slabs. Well informed young man, but he
was making a solid case for Indianapolis. Yeah, he was
saying how how Indianapolis can handle a National? He made
a really strong case.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I had to sit down with the Road to the
National with sports cards nonsense, and with Ryan. I saw sasquatch.
He's lived in Indy for so long and everything else.
He loves Indy and he made he made a plea
for it. How many times has the Final Four been
in Indie?
Speaker 3: How many times?
Speaker 5: There's so many things been an indie?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'm turning my microphone volume keeps.
Speaker 5: He's turned the auditune on. That's what he's doing.
Speaker 3: I thought you were petty good microphone.
Speaker 2: Uh uh.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see in Seattle, even though that would
be one hell of a trip for me from New York.
Speaker 3: I just I've never been.
Speaker 1: I've you know, I've heard stuff about Seattle. I've seen
stuff on eb uhh. I think it could be done there.
I know they have a convention center. It's west be
a West Coast National. There was a comment a few
comments back about having two Nationals a year.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not for that. I think one and
here's my here's what I would I get.
Speaker 1: Chicago is the favored venue by the dealers, by a
lot of collectors. It's centrally located. I'm not going to
argue that it's it's it's true what I like to see.
So have twice in Chicago, like back to back, then
have it in two different cities the next two years,
and then have it come to back to Chicago. So
it's in Chicago for half half the national That's how
That's what I like this. So you get two Chicago Nationals,
then two different city Nationals, then back to Chicago for
two more. That's what I would propose. I also, like
we talked about, I'd like to see you got to
give the dealers a voting because they're the backbone of
the show. Right, I agree on that whether you want it.
Want to wait at sixty seventy percent, and then you'll
let collectors get that other thirty forty percent. And if
for some reason the collectors vote is very strong to
a city where the dealers pick majority doesn't win, then
it is what it is, right majority or however the
rules are, then that dealer has a choice. Like let's
say the collectors vote Seattle, I'll just use that. And
a dealer says, man, I was going to go to Chicago,
but Seattle, Uh, that's too much for me. Then that
opens up a spot for somebody out like you have
you know, it's it's your option right to go, just
like it is for collectors.
Speaker 3: Like not everyone's going into National this year. That went
last year, some people are not.
Speaker 1: Going this year, And that same thing with dealers like
if it's too much, you have to make a business decision.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: In the last decade, they have changed. So we went
to Cleveland and we went to a city. Now in
the last decades, which one has which shows have been
kind of like the most inconvenient ones, well, the one,
the one in Cleveland and the one in Atlantic City.
Speaker 3: And I liked it. I liked it. I could drive it.
Speaker 2: You're biased, but I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you what I am bias.
Speaker 4: One of the things I know we're gonna wrap it
up quick, but I one of the things I want
to talk about is like, I mean, there's a whole
international section at the National Division. There's a whole area
of international UH sellers that are going.
Speaker 5: To be there. Listen to people.
Speaker 4: If they can fly, I drive, whatever they're doing, take
the boat over to come to the National You guys too,
I tell I tell everyone, I tell everyone this the
same thing. The National Next year is a year from
next week. Start budgeting.
Speaker 5: Now you know when it is. It's last week every year.
Start budding.
Speaker 3: We know where it is, and we know where it is.
Speaker 5: We know where it is, so you know you might
not be able to get your hotels that quick or whatever,
or your flights.
Speaker 4: But you can put that money to the side and
save up and the next name you're going to be
there next year. People can come from Germany, people are
coming from Japan, people are coming from Africa, from all overplace.
I'm really excited to see the international like booth areas.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: Here's a question, and I have an answer for this. Says,
how do I hide money from the white?
Speaker 3: Well? How do I do it? I'll answer that question
because I do it, So who better?
Speaker 1: Right? I have a business account, which I set up
as shows as a dealer, my content creation general rate
some funds, so that's where so when I go to
the National it doesn't come out of my joint account.
It comes out of that business account. But start a
savings account in your I'm not trying to get your divorced,
but even if you don't have a business, start a
savings account just your name and that sort of.
Speaker 4: Listen, whatever you want to, whatever you're gonna budget for
that month, buy a card that amount, right, and then
just put those cards aside. Now they're sitting there, she
doesn't know that the money, and then sell them. Sell
them two months prior to the national start and then
you got your money.
Speaker 1: As Mike Petty says, don't tell her that's another option.
But remember this stuff all has potential repercussion.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. When I set up at a show, I
gotta give my wife credit. She never asked me, like
how much money did you make? You just say how
was the show? And I'll say good, great, Okay, not good.
You know, she never asked me. So I appreciate, you know,
I'm fortunate that and she knows that all that stuff
doesn't come out if I buy cards. You when I
bought my Jackie Rookie three or four years ago, Uh,
that didn't come out of our joint money. That that
was me making that purchase with that that account. So
but you know, in marriage, honesty is the the best policy.
Speaker 3: And in life. Yeah, so I'm not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't take anyvice from me. I'm twice the worst.
Speaker 1: So I just say, yeah, I'm I'm I'm only married once.
And like I joke with my wife, I only will
be married once.
Speaker 2: He got caught caught with the card money twice.
Speaker 4: No, I had to sell all my stuff because she couldn't.
We didn't have a job, she didn't have a job
to help, you know, for the family. So I was like,
you're kicking kicking the sheets because I can't keep selling
my cards off, you know, my big cards. But no,
uh no, there's other other situation stuff. But that's the
reason why there's not going to be a third because
I'm not going to get in there. That's how I'm
able to do all the.
Speaker 5: Stuff that I do right now.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, guys, we're coming down the well, we'll pass.
We'd a little bit of overtime. I want to announce this.
All three of us will be there. We will be
you know, Saturday, which is a week from today, will
be ten am Chicago time, will be live on stage
with a Hobby Hotline episode. As we you know, we're
blessed and we've been blessed to be I don't know
how many we've done up there now, vicor probably five
or six. Yeah, maybe I might have missed one. But
every year we've we've been uh have gotten a stage time.
So uh uh they've they've kind of uh at, you know,
gave us sort of our our normal time slot because
we are on at ten am Chicago time. Uh so
we will be uh I do not know where it
will be live stream.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think it'll be live stream. I
don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe Alice can answer this, uh on the National's live
stream feed, I believe.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to be putting the information out or
the live stream for for the the Alex.
Speaker 2: Now that technology has evolved. Do you think they can
collaborate that live stream with with our channel?
Speaker 4: I do you think they should be able to logging
into you know, and then putting it on there.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's a page we need to turn jo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be there early, so I'll track down someone
from the powers that be and and and just find
out how how the process works. And being there early
if it can be done, we can get that done early.
Maybe we'll be all set. But worst case, if you're
not at the National and you want to see that
main stage, it'll be somewhere live and I'll put that
on our social media and all that. So if you
follow the show on social media, that in from I'll
get that information out if you're not going. If you
are going, we want to look out from that main
stage and seeing as many of you out there in
front of us.
Speaker 3: We try to make it interactive.
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, someone will go out into the audience
what I'm microphone and take some questions for the panel
that be uh the three of us will be up
there along with some of our other co hosts that
you don't see particularly today as well.
Speaker 3: So I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's no matter how many times we
do it. Uh, you know, it's still fun. It's still
a privilege and an honor to to get to do it.
Uh and look one of my highlights of of of
the National each year and get to hang out with
you guys as well.
Speaker 3: Uh. So it's it's always a good time.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, like Victor, like, do you
go in with a I have a list of ten
cards I'd love to add to my PC. I know
the ten cards are not in the budget to buy
them all. I'm hoping to get three or four. I'm
Victor for those that don't know, I'm Victor's good luck charm.
Whenever I'm walking with him, he spends the most money.
I don't know if that's a good luck charm or
a uh, but you know, so, you know, do you
have a list.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna take I'm gonna play. I had list
all the time, except for last year. Last year I
just went free Willie and I had the best time
just doing it free Willy. So I think I'm gonna
do more of the same. Hopefully I can grab you
for an hour or two.
Speaker 1: We can walk around rent godally rented John Booth. It's
I forgot the table number. But yeah, so Alex, I
know you're Pat Tillman. Guys there Tillman, Like, that's you know,
at the front of your list that you're looking for.
You just sort of go in open minded and whatever
I have.
Speaker 4: The list that I have is like I have broken
down of what parallels and stuff that I need for
the certain rainbows and everything of Tillman. Some of the
bigger ones, like the newest One manga that came out,
like those inserts are just out of mind. So for me,
it's like finding the ones that one have Tilman's because
a lot of people don't put them out.
Speaker 5: They're never out.
Speaker 4: Everyone hoards them, yay, and so that makes the hunt fun,
you know, a lot more fun. But uh, and then
it's just a they're basic, you know, I'm always trying
to upgrade. You know, some certain rookies that I have,
and everything's iconic one, so you know, whatever I can spot.
So but a lot of times when i'm there, I'm
when I'm not looking at cards, I'm talking in those.
I'm you know, yeah, being part of the being one
of the correspondents for the for the national, I'm going around,
I'm talking. I'm gonna be a reporter on the ground,
talking to people about their stories, how how they got
certain cards, everything else, blah blah blah. So if anyone
out there is, you know, listening, they see me, stop me,
especially if you have a story. If you have a
story you want to be told, like maybe you got
passed down a card, maybe you're doing this because of
something else and everything else, and you want to talk
talk to me. I'm gladly you know, use my voice
in so many different ways to get your story out there.
If you want or if you just want to talk
about it you don't want to be on camera, I'm
there too for that, right, I'm always all for just
chatting it up, especially meeting.
Speaker 2: Hey, can we talk about true rookie cards?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, guys, let's end, you know, and Saturday,
I'll be there Tuesday. I know a lot of people
coming Wednesday, so we're just a few days away. I
want to wish everyone going to the show safe travels
and smooth sailing or flying or driving. Enjoy the show.
Like Alex said, I echo that right. If you see me,
come shake your hand. Love to meet people, talk to hobby,
talk life. You know, when you get my age, you
know stuff, even if you don't want to know it.
It's just one of those things that comes age and whatnot.
So again, hope to see many of you in Chicago,
many of you next Saturday, maybe right in front of
us when we do this very show. So everyone out
there that chat room. As always, we appreciate you, We
love you. If you're listening to us even after the fact,
maybe can't catch us live you work on a Saturday,
but you still devoting time to the show at a
later time, we appreciate you as well. So we'll see
you here hopefully in a couple of days, and we'll
see you in a week for sure. Thanks everybody, Thank
you for listening to another episode of Hobby Hotline. We'd
like to thank all involved with this show, and in
alphabetical order, that is doctor James Beckett Sports Card Insights,
Brad Patune Tech and Cards, Danny Black at Sportsball, Rody
the Kid The Hobby Life, Herman Bryant three B Collection,
Cory Donovan, Yamwax, Chris Harris from stale Gum dot Com,
Drew Herndon of Let Me Get That Potograph and Letter Ripped,
John Keating of That seventies card Show, Rich Klind The Legend,
Jason Martin from NASCAR Radio, Val Mars from NASCAR Radio,
Mike mornihan baseball collector and Bench Clear Media, John Newman
from Sportscardination and Hobby Quick Hits, Ryan Noen Breakout Cards,
Adam Palmer, Heroes Basal, Victor Roman, True Rookie Specialist, Sam
Schuffert from the Women of the Hobby, bo Thompson one
Million Cubs in Hobby Revolution, and Logan Ward of NASCAR Radio.
Whether they appeared on this episode or previous one, all
these folks are involved with the show and we are
thankful to have them. We'll see you next time on
Hobby Hotline.