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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. My name is John Newman Sports Coordinations.

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It's time for another edition, however, of Hobby Hotline. Need

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last one before the National which we're going to talk

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about as well as Fanatics Fest. I'm happy to be

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joined this morning, going clockwise, Victor Roman, John.

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Speaker 2: And Alex Morning Chat. We're going back to back here John,

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you and I let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then Alex Tressler Army ATC twenty two

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only below us on screen. As I always say, we

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were going to talk about the Fanatics Fest and obviously

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the National. Uh, but we have breaking news. There we

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go the breaking news. Lebron James has signed with the

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seventy six ers of Philadelphia, spurning his hometown team of

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Cleveland and Miami where he used to play. The rumor

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that was really looking like he was going back to Miami,

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But not so fast, my friends, as Lee Corso would say,

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he's going to Philly. So we're gonna talk about this

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the whole hour instead of the other two things. No,

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I'm I'm kidding, but you know, I'm not a huge

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basketball guy, but I know it. Like I followed in

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the hobby a dealer, you know it is big news.

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I mean, it is Lebron James, but he is on,

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you know, whether I agree with it or not, I

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believe he's on sort of the bat. I mean, he's

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he's coming down the home stretch here. Whether this is

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his last year or next year, you know, he's not

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this And again that's not his fault. Mother, you know,

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father time gets us all. Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's not.

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Speaker 1: The same player he was, you know, ten years ago,

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but he can still contribute the what do you I

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guess the short way to ask this question is does

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this make the Sixers better a contender? No big deal,

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it's just the name. The name is more than the contributions.

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Whoever wants to go first here? What do you see

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this move as?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: I want you guys to name one person that's coming

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off the bench for the Sixers. Everyone can name the

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starting five. Who can name someone coming off the bench.

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Speaker 3: I would like CoFe you right here?

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Speaker 4: That's I think that's going to be the main problem,

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right of what that team unless they sign some you know,

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key players to come off the bench for super cheap

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and everything. They have an all star lineup period, right

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and hey, he is who he is, doesn't matter his

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age and everything else. I believe that he still puts

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in the work and he's he's one of the top

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people in the lead.

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Speaker 3: Right there you go. There's from the chat room and

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here you go.

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Speaker 4: So that's the only one that I would have been

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able to actually name, which he is All Star himself too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Man? This is this is big stuff, a lot of

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a little bit of drama. I think with the Jalen

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Brown trade that the Celtics kind of let him go there.

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But uh, for those who don't know, let's let's review

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the starting lineup, the potential starting lineup for the Sixers.

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You're gonna have Tyrese Maxi, right, vj edgecrom Edgecombe, Jalen Brown,

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Lebron James and Joelle Embiid. I think, uh that's healthy,

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well healthy, It's gonna be the key with Embiid and James, right,

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that's kind of as they get older and Embiid seems

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to be injured at least half the season.

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Speaker 3: But I found it.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the bench, you have Anthony Simmons is your

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number one guy, Dean Wade, Justin Edwards, Jabbarr Walker, Adam Bona,

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Ariel Huck Porty and le Baron phill On. I don't

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know half those guys, but interesting on the contract I

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found with James where he signed for league minimum for

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a veteran, which was like four million, I think it was.

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I thought that was you know, he was at the

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Lakers for fifty million and then he takes a pay

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cut for four million. And my answer was, why why

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why didn't you just take a pay cut and stay

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with the Lakers. I would just wish that his legacy

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would have finished, you know, with the Laker uniform or

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the Cleveland Cavalier uniform. But now he's going now to

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what appears allegedly of pursuing another super team. But that's

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he wants to win. And I know he was quoted

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recently on NBA dot com. Let me find a quote.

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He wrote, this is my last decision. I'm not going

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for money, I'm not going for family. I still want

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to compete to win. So that was penned by Lebron himself,

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and it's gonna be exciting. I think it makes them

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an automatic contending team in the East, and that's gonna

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be interesting with the Knicks there. I can't wait to

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see that first matchup. But here we go. I'm ready

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for the NBA season already.

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Speaker 1: And listen, listen. I know I bagged on it a

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little bit in my intro there. Well listen, this Sixers

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team beat the Celtics in the playoffs, and then what

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did the Celtics do? They basically hand them Jalen Brown

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and who who they lost with, and then they just

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made Philly stronger. So that was a financial move more

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than anything else. That'll tell you that. My favorite part

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of this Victor and Alex is I can't wait to

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see all the Philadelphia seventy six or rookie Lebron James cards.

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it was the Miami Heat Lebron James rookie. When he

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went to the Lakers, it was the Lakers Lebron rookie.

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So now we're going to get a Sixers Lebron, a

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rookie in his twentieth something.

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Speaker 3: Year of being in the league.

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Speaker 2: And first first first card.

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Speaker 1: I knew I was I was goping out of that one,

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but you know how this goes.

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Speaker 3: Every every thing.

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Speaker 4: I think I think they came out with the Tops

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now card already and there's a super it is of him.

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So all I got to say, you know, we are

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going to talk about the National and Joe who runs

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the National and runs the Philly Show.

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Speaker 5: Joe, you're on the clock.

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Speaker 4: You gotta get Lebron as an autograph signer for the

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Philly Show down the road now, So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear the Tops had they kind of like

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broke the news with the seventy six ers, didn't they They.

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Speaker 5: Were like the first ones.

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Speaker 4: It was it was primed and ready because he already

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signed that card with them like that was that was

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presign He already knew where he was going. But he

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told them to hold off and so they had a

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queued up waiting and as soon as the announcement broke.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, guys, we could talk. We could talk

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basketball for you know, another fifteen minutes if if we want.

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I'm not looking do that, but you know, listen, it

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is all you know, I know, I gest, but it

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is a big deal. It's Lebron James, first Battle Hall

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of Famer, arguably one of the greatest players of all time,

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or if he asked him, I think he say he is.

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But but we're gonna move on. We got you know,

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we just finished a big event that Alex attended, aren't there.

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including Alex here, and and then we got the National

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Speaker 3: A few days.

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Speaker 1: These two events often get compared to each other. Most

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will tell you that they are really sort of two

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different events, if you will. And I kind of agree

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with out going to the Fanatics Fest. I can't speak

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on that. We're gonna, we're gonna acquiesce to Alex here.

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But there's the Fanatics Fest, as Alex would say, the

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Standard Slide. It's in my hometown. It's in my hometown

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of New York City. Somehow I haven't been yet. I'd

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like to go at some point, you know, it is

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I do, and I still have some family there. It's

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only two hundred and fifty miles. It just it seems

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whenever it is, I have something else that that prevents

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me from making it there. This year too, would it.

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past year. So that made it even another you know,

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good thing, good thing.

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Speaker 5: Next year. They're moving it back to June next year.

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Speaker 1: John so Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna try

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to get there, even if it's for a day or two,

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even if it's one of those where I train take

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a train in.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I listen. I'm from New York. I know

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how this goes. Traffic be bad, parking can be bad.

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hobby event.

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Speaker 1: And so enough for me who's not been there at

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least yet. I wish you for twenty twenty seven. You know, Alex,

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know Fanatics Fest is trying to replace the National or

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be better or beat the National, you know what, as

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someone who's been to both, you know, how do you answer?

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Speaker 3: How do you see that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It's it's what you said in the beginning, like they're

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two separate entity, right, you know. And what's what's great

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about it is, you know, Michael Rubin and Fanatics at

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the same time as the whole board and everybody with

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the National, they're all giving praises to each other, like

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because they feed off each other, they're helping each other

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out it it Fanatics Fest is exactly what they made

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it wanted, wanted when Michael Rubin took over the whole thing,

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the whole collectible space, he said he wanted a sports

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comic con pretty much what it was, and that's what

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it is. When if you think of a sport, if

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say it doesn't matter if you're in this hobby, if

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you're not, or whatever you got, you need to try

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to attend it once and just see it for yourself.

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people talk about it all day long like I'm doing

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right now, but to actually see it in person and

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just incredible. The amount of stuff that's inside this one

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area at the job is just remarkable. So Joba Center

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is the same place they do the New York Comic Con. Also,

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you know that they'll happen a few months from now.

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But the great part about it for us who love

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collectible smack dab in the middle of it is a

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mini card show pretty much the same individuals that go

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around the country to all the big shows and everything else.

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buying cards, and I don't know if I talk to

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one vendor there that had has had over the last

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three years a bad time or a bad show at Fanatics.

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Everyone knows the cost is astronomical because the booth price,

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having to travel there for you know, your hotel and

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everything else. And if you bring more than one person,

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like you're paying for all their ways and everything else.

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at Fanatics Fest, and every single person and you can

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see the people online Tyler Santiago, Santiago Sports, Kyle kin

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Card's Car Collective, to all those individuals that are massive

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you hear it from them like they'll tell you like

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they have some of the best shows ever, like that

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Thursday the first day because they've made it four days

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Speaker 5: Days this year of that festival.

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Speaker 4: Because you got to think, there's this is the analogy

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that I always bring into play for the difference between

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the National and Fanatics Fest, dealing with the hobby that

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aspect right ard aspect the amount of people they said,

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the National for cards? That tells you the difference for

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the hobby aspect between the two. I would say I

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the collectible to say, is probably close to like thirty

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everyone's coming for the cards. You do have the TriStar

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going to try to take over the National.

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Speaker 5: But when the National then.

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Speaker 4: Rolls around, they're like, oh, hold on a second, this

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line's out around the convention center right now on a Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Alex, were you set up as a were media

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or what?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: So I was not sent I'd never set up as

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a dealer at Fanatics, fesss. I go and walk and

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have fun, you know, I do, since I do social

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media stuff. I do did do some media stuff for fanatics,

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and I also helped with sports cards, nonsense downstairs and

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the Collector's com well. Yeah, the card combine that the

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fanatics collect had down and they had they had a

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nice activation that introduced you to the hobby to card

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collecting where you came in, they gave you a pack

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of cards and you can go around. There's hobby shops

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that had, you know, upstairs on the show floor hundreds

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two thousand dollars cards. Right downstairs was entry level type

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of stuff, dollar boxes, you know, slabs there were five

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to ten dollars from these few hobby shops and stuff

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that were down there. So we got to really understand

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the aspect of it, you know, that lower level and everything.

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Speaker 5: And there's a little breaking studio.

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Speaker 4: People were doing giveaways the people that were coming by

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and then fanatics collect had their instant.

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Speaker 5: Rips were able to get a free insert.

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Speaker 4: So you're trying to hit they're trying to hit all

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angles of everything that you can do pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Fanatic, Yeah, I would. I would say, Alex, if you

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can you know your sphere of influence that you have.

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I just from what I was very tentative that weekend

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on social media because I wanted to take in all

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the information about fanatics I could. But it seems like

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on the media side of things, it's like just about

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everything is five figure cards. That's all we're really seeing

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talking about, bragging about however you want to view it,

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and it's just like, man, what about you know, what

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about what about us who don't have seven figure bank accounts?

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You know, we can we share a five.

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Speaker 6: Hundred dollars card maybe you know what, Well, speak for yourself, Victor.

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Speaker 3: I'm kidding, I'm kidding. No, he makes.

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Speaker 4: He makes one of the points that I've always said

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about social media. And this is the reason why a

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lot of my content I don't do transactional stuff. I

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don't like doing videos about, you know, the deals and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk.

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Speaker 4: That's why I want to talk about the stories how

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they got that card, you know, or if a connection

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from you know, family passing stuff down and everything, because

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I call it the false hope out there, right, everyone

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sees those huge cards and then they run the target, Walmart, whatever,

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and they think they can hit those cards out of

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blasters or megas and you can't. Right, that's the false

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hope in this industry and social media and I've I've

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always had a problem with that, and I would and

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luckily we do have some social media people that are

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pretty big out there that do talk about the value boxes,

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you know, to start, you know, trying to dig and

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find those values and stuff and everything. And I'm glad

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to see that. But majority of the stuff that get

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do get highlighted are those million dollar sales, the dual

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gold logomns of you know, it's Connie and everything else.

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Speaker 2: So as as you were like boots on the ground,

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what was your take was their low end stuff there

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and what's the what's the percentage you.

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Speaker 4: Think there was because over you know, everyone's involved in

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especially the vendors that are set up there. They have

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their big cards because there's some big whales in the room,

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but they also understand the cost that it takes to

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be in New York City on top of the World

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Cup ending in Jersey. Technically it's not you know, New

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York City that Sunday. Also the SP's being in town,

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the Dodgers coming in town to play the Yankees. There's

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so much stuff that was happening that weekend. So everyone

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knows that money's starting to, you know.

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Speaker 5: Wear thin.

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Speaker 4: So they know majority of these vendors that they set

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up around the world, around the world, and they know

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the sweet spot is that I'd say twenty five to

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two hundred dollars range. Because the middleman, the people, the

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individuals that run this country, the everyday working man, aren't

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want they don't want to spend their whole paycheck on

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one card, but they will spend a few hundred dollars

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on the card with me too, So there was still

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a decent amount.

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Speaker 1: Okay, A couple of comments here, one from our very

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old Tony he says, I heard from petendant said ninety

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five percent a fanatics fetch was stage celebrity purchases. Many

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influences were compensated or treated well to give favorable reviews

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over over priced picks with athletes. Some of that, I mean,

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is there some truth and semblance to that in your opinion?

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Speaker 4: Alex, Well, I know I didn't get paid anything to

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say anything, so yeah, I'm not on that level. No,

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I did get to see a few interactions, you know,

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of individuals walking around and doing dealings with the vendors.

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And stuff, and I never saw anything stage. I'm the

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one that everyone's talking about. Is that honestly the part

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collector two King of Cards literally that you know, the

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trades with the Brady and stuff like that or whatever.

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I never saw anything really staged. You know, you know,

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we had you know, lovely Jason, Jason Sadegas. He was

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walking around and I'm gonna tell you right now, Ted

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Lasso walking around the show floor was probably the highlight

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of the whole thing. And what people don't know he

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was there every day with his kids, walking around, talking

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everyone taking pictures. I was able to take a picture

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with him at the trade night. He actually left some

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of the days to go film something and came back

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like he really really seth Meyers walking around like I

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grew up watching watching Siern outlock right and seeing these

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individuals walking the show floor and being humble in her.

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And there was like a few other wrestlers. The wrestlers was,

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by the way, some of the best entertainer pro athletes

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that are out there, because they just but they were

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they were going to the table. You'll see some of

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the videos and stuff like that or whatever in between

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the interactions and but all those cards in front of them.

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I saw cash being handed back and forth and everything

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when they take the cards and stuff like that. So

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I didn't see any of that stuff, and if it happened,

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it kind of sucks it.

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Speaker 2: And a couple of interesting facts about Jason and it

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was a few days prior to Fanatics Fist, he was

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at local card show here in Valpariso, Indiana. He stopped

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by the shot their shop, uh too, and then he

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came back to Secon a second day. He came back

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again the sports card shop with Rex. We're on the

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TV screen, so say hello to everybody at the shop.

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But he stopped in to check them out there. So

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he's been making the rounds and it seems like he's

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really got the hobby bug. And I thought that's pretty

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cool too.

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Speaker 4: So the next comment underneath that Trey Young ripping up

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a bruns and jersey with stage. Of course, he was

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part of the Fanatics games and the first thing that

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you do is your WW entrance, and of course you

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want to get the fans going. Him used to be

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a Hawk, right, he's ripping up the home team. He's

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trying to get that that pop and the buzz. That's

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the reason why.

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Speaker 3: He did that.

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Speaker 4: Of course it was stage, but that was his act,

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like he was walking on a WWE rest interestcreus.

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Speaker 1: What I you know, when I hope to see all right,

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you know Sideka, Seth Myers, others that were at Fanatics,

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I'll give them a pass two because it is in

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New York, which is a big obviously, you know they

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shoot a lot of shows there, movies there, a lot

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of these celebrities live there. I'm hoping to see some

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of this in Chicago at the Nashville too. If these

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folks are now, I know they're busy and they have

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schedules busier than even ours are. But if they're real

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card collectors, right, this is the super Bowl of the

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hobby in the national Like we just said, these are

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two different events. So if they really are card collectors,

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you know it's five or six days long. If they

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can be there even for a day or two, then

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I'll be more so not that they have to sell me,

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like who the heck am I, but I'd be more like, hey,

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these guys really do collect cards and their celebrities as well.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's not confirm, deny if some of

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those will be at the National.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this one this you know, Tony's bringing us

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up Brady, you know, slapping Paul that had like it

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was WWE type stuff. I'm not a necessarily a big

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fan of that, but people eat that stuff up right.

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Ratings seal that is something you know, you know, a

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kid watching that isn't gonna say probably the same thing

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I would where like that's kind of goofy and chezy.

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Speaker 3: We'll gonna be like that. That's cool. Did you see?

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Speaker 5: That is continuing?

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Speaker 4: This is continuing what they're few that they had during

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the Flag football tournament. You know, Logan was fucking smack

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on on Brady and stuff. This is like in continuation.

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Eventually they believe for Brady is gonna go wrestle, just

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like the rest of the athlete and stuff do to

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do do something fun with w W since the connection.

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But yeah, that's that's a continuation from all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I thought it was cringe to but

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as John stated, under the context of the WWE, okay,

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it's like I get it. Okay, I can live with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And and again there's a comment let me try

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to find it because I want to, I want to

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be accurate, And I agree with this comment from Scott.

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Speaker 2: Here it is chat is actulutely I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fanatics Fest is the NFL experience, the Major League

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Baseball All Star fan Fest in the NBA Jam session

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steroids great entertainment with an average card show. Alex, you know,

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do you agree with that cake as someone has been there,

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I agree, it's.

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Speaker 4: It's I wouldn't I know, I wouldn't say it's an

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average card show because these the cards that are in

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that room are above average, a good you know, good

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percentage of them are above age cards. Right, So a

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lot of people were I got the questions since a

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lot of people do know that I, you know, go

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to a national. Everything I do with them is asking

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me about the national at fanatics Fest. They're like, hey,

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you know, this is gonna be my first time going.

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What are some tips? You know what, how what's the

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experience going to be like? And I told everyone, I'm like,

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take this whole room, take the whole job at center,

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take all the corporate down. Now you're gonna leave some

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up whatever, you know, for topsins they're there, but but

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all card tables across the whole job at center.

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Speaker 5: There's your national and they're like really, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Like, yes, yes, all these would be tables of cards

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and vendors from around the world, really around the world.

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So but the good thing about Fanatics Fest, right, you know,

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it's more than more than that average card show like

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you have. I mean they partnered, of course Fanatics part

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of the CDC. CDC had there's three big cards that

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they had on display, like you know, three of the

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most iconic cards out there. The Honus Wagner that they

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just graded, the Mantle and the Wayne Gretzky that was signed.

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So it was cool seeing that type.

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Speaker 1: Of Yeah, and we talked before we went live about

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what's being labeled as the Franken Wagner kind of got

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that uh title and uh you know, uh, Victor, you

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watch some content where you know they're you know, it's

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being called restored, you know, authentic restored by CGC when

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they're by their own definition. You told us it should

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be altered, authentic altered. That's how SGC, If SGC would

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have graded it, I'm pretty sure that's what it would

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have got from SGC and probably other graters. You know,

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we we don't official to me, to my knowledge, we

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don't officially acknowledge restoration in the sports card hobby, maybe

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in the art world, in the comic book world, and

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maybe in other industries or hobbies, but not yet really

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like it's known that it happens. We're not naive, but

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we don't, I think on the grading level, we don't

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really recognize that. And yet here CDC has labeled that card,

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you know, authentic restored what maybe according you know, and

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I'll let you explain it even better to you, that's

474
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,440
authentic altered And I feel the same way, but but

475
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:48,920
go ahead.

476
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was on a I typically watch a

477
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:59,559
live episode on every Friday night because I'm Carlos friends

478
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,839
with a couple of the guys there, and we we

479
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,079
got into a discussion last night about this card, and

480
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,480
I started doing some research on it, and we were

481
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,519
discussing the should have should what kind of designation should

482
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:19,279
have been given on there because they put restored authentic

483
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,519
and so there was a lot of debate in the

484
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,640
chat about it, and so I jumped online and I

485
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,200
started looking up. I wanted to know what was cgc's

486
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,039
definition of authentic and restored because I think they're they're

487
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:39,079
the grading company. I think that is the best definition

488
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,680
to go by and to me, definition of words is

489
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,960
a big deal, and PSA's definition of authentic and cgc's

490
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,599
might be different. So I wanted to get it straight

491
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:52,960
from the horse's mouth. I went to the CGC website

492
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680
and I found a link called sports Card Glossary for

493
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:03,519
CGC on cgc's website. And for authentic, the definition according

494
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:08,039
to CDC doesn't fit. Now, the definition of authentic altered

495
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:12,519
definitely fit as a proper designation for that card. So

496
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,799
why they went with authentic instead of the AA designation,

497
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,000
I don't know, but I would I would hope that

498
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,319
maybe we can get some kind of explanation on that.

499
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: All can give you one.

500
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,559
Speaker 1: I can give you one, you know, because let's be real, right,

501
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,480
because restored sounds better than altered. Yeah, the term altered

502
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,000
means it's been messed with, right.

503
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 7: But that's what the card was a beneficial Like, hey,

504
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,839
we restored the community park it was it was begetting

505
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,519
decrepit and we restored to part we made We put

506
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,039
new flowers in and hedges and the playground.

507
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,039
Speaker 3: We restored it.

508
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: It sounds better than hey, we altered the part so

509
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,640
well that same for the cards.

510
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to look because they had a definition.

511
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,359
So I wanted to look at the word restored. What

512
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,440
their definition of that word is. There was no definition

513
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,400
for that word, but there was one for altered. And

514
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,240
when you break down their definition of altered, it dealt

515
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:18,559
with trimming, coloring. And you know, all of the attributes

516
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:23,720
that they gave that definition apply to this Franken Wagner card.

517
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,200
So it's like, I don't know to me, and it

518
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,200
may just be semantics, but I think when we're dealing

519
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,160
with a million dollar card, plus, I think that those

520
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,960
little details matter, and I think an AA designation for

521
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:39,440
authentic altered And instead of using the word restored, we

522
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:43,359
can put restored altered or just you know, just change

523
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,599
it to altered because by definition, do and through that's

524
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,480
what that card is.

525
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the comment from Brad who says, Hey, the

526
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:54,400
beauty the hobby is each individuals they're laying who cares

527
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,880
the terminology? Someone what's an incredible looking Wagner to own?

528
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,279
Speaker 3: And they're going to have it?

529
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: And you know he's not really wrong, right, someone is

530
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,400
going to pay a lot of dollars to win this

531
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:09,759
card in the auction, uh, and they want it, right,

532
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,759
It's I you know, me and me and Tony talk

533
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:19,279
about this, you know, during hobby polooza. I rather, personally,

534
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,359
I rather own a low grade, not altered, not touched up,

535
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,720
whatever whatever word you want to use. And I'm not

536
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:31,119
gonna be listen, I can't even afford that. So but

537
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,480
someone is going to pay for that, and so you know,

538
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,680
and then you add in the fact that it was

539
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:41,119
in Keith Oberman's collection and that people it's a great story.

540
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,079
Speaker 2: Right, really, yes, I just disagree with you know, terminology

541
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,160
doesn't matter. And that's the problem with this hobby. We

542
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,000
can take one word and that one word has six seven,

543
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,759
eight different definitions just depending on who you talk to.

544
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,079
And I think words do matter, especially when you're an

545
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,680
authentication company who deals with designations and that's like that's

546
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,720
like those definitions are everything that that their business stands on.

547
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,119
So terminology is incredibly important.

548
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,039
Speaker 3: All right, So I have a question.

549
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: Go ahead, being the content creator that I am, and

550
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,519
I just had a vision. Victor is gonna get all

551
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,200
the pitchforks and you know freaking you know, flames and

552
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,200
we're used to it. We're going to the CGC booth

553
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,920
at the National after going after the the fucking Franken

554
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,799
Franken Wagner, Like we're re enacting Frankenstein.

555
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 5: Literally with with the true hobbyists that wanted to be changed.

556
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: I want, you know, what would be cool when we

557
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,960
can get a little fanatics fast vibe at at the

558
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,680
National have someone dressed as Frankenstein near the the Franken

559
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:50,319
Wagner with a chain.

560
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,039
Speaker 2: Of a Wagner kind of.

561
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: You just made it better, Victor, He just made my

562
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:57,960
idea better.

563
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:02,319
Speaker 1: Here's a here's a question, and definitely down on Victor's alley,

564
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,759
I believe do you think the terminology restored, slash, altered,

565
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:09,319
et cetera will affect bidding at all? I think the

566
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,960
bidders will know exactly what they're bidding. I think bidder.

567
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,240
If you're bidding what was over a million dollars, you're

568
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,079
sure as hell better know what you're bidding on. Or

569
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,920
I want to be you where you can just throw

570
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,480
millions of dollars away carelessly. So yeah, you know, sports card, CBA,

571
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,440
you definitely know right if you're spending that kind of money.

572
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,039
But I also think what that flip, what's on that

573
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,000
flip could potentially affect what someone's willing to pay. Right,

574
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160
someone may as crazy as it sound, if it has said,

575
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:46,079
like from the Oberman collection to someone, that might be

576
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,880
a few more one hundred thousand dollars that they're willing

577
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,880
to go to add that to their inventory. So I

578
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,279
do think what's on the flip does matter. Right, It's

579
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,759
it's aesthetics. It's like when you buy a house, right

580
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,200
and it has a nice fish, you know, has a

581
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,000
coy pond in it.

582
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: Right, it's gonna bring it's gonna be a little more.

583
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:10,519
Speaker 1: Attractive, or you know, it just got painted or recited whatever,

584
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,960
you know, it happens on the front. I think the

585
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,519
flip can be a selling point how it's worded, or

586
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,359
or or detriment. Right if that card said you know, altered,

587
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,039
just altered, you know, authentic altered, I think it still

588
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:26,519
will sell.

589
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,839
Speaker 3: I'm not debating that.

590
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: But it maybe it brings a less you know, when

591
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,839
you're talking millions of dollars and thousands of Yeah, I

592
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,480
don't know, a little less. There's still a lot of money.

593
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,200
It's not like going from one hundred dollars to eighty.

594
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: But then we're not telling the truth. Man, Let's just

595
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,599
call it what it is. According to your own definition.

596
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,440
Why why is that wrong? It's not wrong?

597
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

598
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yes, And here's the question, yep Keith Oberman,

599
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,200
former ESPN host of his own show, Huge Card Collector

600
00:31:58,359 --> 00:31:59,720
and historian as well.

601
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,359
Speaker 5: So, Victor, you just got that CGC in person at

602
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,359
the National There you go.

603
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: There you go.

604
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So here the it's this one's from Abe and

605
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,400
Vegas should have have been AA authentic altered. So that's

606
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:16,920
kind of what we're discussing, right.

607
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: Their definition of altered covers the restoration side of it,

608
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,960
it's anything colored or trimmed. And there's another one in there.

609
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,759
I forget what it is.

610
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,799
Speaker 4: But is there any other is there? Is there any

611
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,720
other cards that are actually tagged restored by them?

612
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: That's a good question, A good question.

613
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

614
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: Right, we're putting a lot of emphasis on just you know,

615
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,680
the wagoner, like, did they realistically roll out a new

616
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:42,000
aspect of it?

617
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:44,039
Speaker 5: I probably not. They probably have others out there. I

618
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,079
just had never seen one.

619
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:48,519
Speaker 1: Mike Patty says, it's only at nine hundred and five

620
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,920
thousand dollars this morning.

621
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: Now, it was at seven ninety last night. It was

622
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:53,160
at seven nights.

623
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:57,599
Speaker 1: Well before before I logged on, I jumped in a bid,

624
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,720
so so far I'm holding old and strong.

625
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: If I do win this, guys, I will be calling

626
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:04,720
both of.

627
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: You up to like we can like conglomerate the purchase,

628
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,079
hopefully off to sell my house.

629
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: I don't know where my wife's gonna live. I'm sure

630
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,559
I won't be living with her.

631
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,359
Speaker 4: Apparently, apparently I have a lot of money because people

632
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,880
think I'm paid by fanatics.

633
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: But so I'll throw in a few hundred I got.

634
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: You, all right, We're all right. That knocks it down

635
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:31,920
a few hundred dollars. But I know every listen, every

636
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,559
little bit.

637
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 5: Helps the hotels run the National Orange cheat.

638
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: Uh. People will buy the story of the car. That's

639
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:43,079
true and that's that's always been and I get it.

640
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:44,119
Speaker 3: I get it.

641
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: So the Stuke's message right there, John talking about the

642
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,200
loan officers at the National, Yeah, get go get a

643
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,319
loan by all gives out a lot of money at

644
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,400
car shows these days.

645
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I have good credit though, so

646
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,799
that will help me. Should should I need to go

647
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,440
down that route? So you know?

648
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: And and Carl from from Australia, Right, it's a a

649
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,440
point right here, I'm honestly getting tired of all the

650
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,480
million dollar plus cards. There's certainly not things I ever

651
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,519
aspire and never will, just hate it all being about

652
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,000
the price. Right Again, I've said on my shows, guys

653
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,840
and you guys know this, and probably most of that room, right,

654
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,440
it's probably two percent of the hobby that really plays

655
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,880
on that in that space, right, And it's like, but

656
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:31,119
that's what people want.

657
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: Some people want to hear about that all the time.

658
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: And whether it's just like pipe dreaming or hey, if

659
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,480
I win to mega millions, I can start doing stuff

660
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:41,800
like that.

661
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

662
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,119
Speaker 1: I find it interesting. But there's also a limit, right,

663
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,440
There's also a limit to everything.

664
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,559
Speaker 3: So it is what it is.

665
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,599
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna buy it for, you know, probably over a

666
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,280
million bucks. It's already, like Mike Petty said, over nine

667
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,719
hundred k, so with plenty of time left. So that's

668
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,599
going across the seventh figure mark. And I guess the

669
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,519
question is how much passed the seventh figure?

670
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,119
Speaker 2: Wait, we passed. It's still it was at seven ninety

671
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,639
last night, twelve hours ago it was at seven ninety

672
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,920
and it's now at nine oh five, and it still

673
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,480
has like thirteen days to go.

674
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the third day of this oxer, So everyone,

675
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,800
you have thirteen days to go to scratch up what

676
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,400
you got, sell off some assts, you know, cash out

677
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,800
your four to one k, pay a little penalty, and

678
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,320
be the proud owner of a formerly Keith Oberman restored

679
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,239
authentic you know, Alis Wagner card if you will and.

680
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: Be skeep says, hey, it's less than two percent play

681
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,480
in that rare air space. Probably probably true. Probably, you know,

682
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:57,159
the hobby's huge, so it's probably less than percent, But

683
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:58,880
you know so.

684
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,559
Speaker 2: I think I think the more interesting thing is the

685
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,480
bigger picture of the story of this card. I think

686
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,559
is going to be in the debate that is currently

687
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,920
in the hobby about restoring cards or cleaning cards or

688
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,840
trimming cards. There's so much debate. Now this card. What

689
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,760
is it going to say to that is is the

690
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,199
is restoration and cleaning cards becoming more accepted within the hobby,

691
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,360
and I seem to think it is. When you read

692
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,719
the comments of people who clean cards and that sort

693
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000
of thing, there seems to be an awful lot of

694
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,800
support for this practice. And then we're going to see

695
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,800
this Franken Wagner what the final hammer price is going

696
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,039
to be.

697
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: I don't.

698
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,639
Speaker 2: I think it's becoming more and more accepted. What are

699
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:47,519
you guys' thoughts on?

700
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: All?

701
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 5: Right?

702
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,159
Speaker 4: So I think I agree with you would be more

703
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,199
accepted because when it comes to these vintage cards, right,

704
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:55,559
what's what's better?

705
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 5: I appeal?

706
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,119
Speaker 4: Right, So if you can restore it to make it

707
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,519
look better like that, that's what people want these things.

708
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're right, Victor. I think it is becoming

709
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,119
more accepted.

710
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: Like it or not. I'm on the I'm on the

711
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:09,199
k not side.

712
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I don't like that, but that's just I can only

713
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,039
speak for myself, right. I think there's a trend now

714
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,440
in the hobby where this is becoming more like. Okay,

715
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,079
I'm not a poete, you know. I think people are

716
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,840
changing their minds, not me, but enough other people where

717
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,480
it is a discussion. A lot of people, don't you know,

718
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:32,320
know them, think that there's ten commandments. There actually was eleven.

719
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,039
Uh it ran out, uh you know, Moses ran out

720
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,920
of stone tablets. But the eleventh was going to be

721
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,480
this one Dala show not clean now, I think you

722
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:49,360
know so? Uh No, I'm a known dad, so that's

723
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,199
what you get no, I'm I'm like.

724
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 3: You, Victor, I don't. I don't like it. I don't

725
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,000
like it.

726
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: It's not my money going to be buying it, obviously,

727
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,800
But I think there is a I don't want to

728
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,280
say a turning of the tide. I think that's maybe

729
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400
too strong, but I think there is people sort of

730
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,079
going from one aisle, crossing over and going to the next.

731
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm just not and John, that's as old timers in

732
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,159
the hobby, right, if we can call ourselves that, that's

733
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:20,519
a tough pill to swallow for an old timer, right,

734
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,360
And it is, it really is. And so but it's

735
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,480
this man, you know, it's one of those things that

736
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,960
we've been hearing for years, Right, the hobby decides right,

737
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:34,679
and the hobby seems to be leaning towards it's okay.

738
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,360
And so that's a transition that we're gonna have to start.

739
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,280
I think if that being the case, I think there

740
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,960
needs to be some kind of identification on that label

741
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,440
that says that the card was restored or altered or

742
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,039
whatever adjective they want to put on there. We need

743
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,079
to identify that. And just that way, if you're for

744
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,519
it or against it, you at least know what the card?

745
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,880
You know what the deal is with the card?

746
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: All right, Well we'll kind of close it out and

747
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:03,000
get to the national heir.

748
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:06,039
Speaker 1: A couple of quick comments, Orlando's pointing out that the

749
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:12,039
non restored, authentic altered Wagner on Heritage is currently at

750
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,599
two point five million. You know what, I hope one

751
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,000
person buys both. That's like funny on some rich person

752
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,480
buys the Heritage Wagoner not restored and also the cgc

753
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,599
uh you know Wagner restored and buys them both.

754
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:36,119
Speaker 2: Would we haven't seen this card in decades. Now, all

755
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,679
of a sudden, it seems like every other month we're

756
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:39,400
seeing a Wagner.

757
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, what what?

758
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,199
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's a fear like I'm

759
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,119
not fear, but you make a point victory. I think

760
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,239
what it does it opens up that door to see

761
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,679
more of this because if it's become more accepted, Right,

762
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,800
why do we not do things you know won't be

763
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,960
accepted or I'll be looked at differently. Right, if it's

764
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,159
starting to be more acceptable, more people going to start

765
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,119
doing it because they won't be sort of the oddball.

766
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,039
Speaker 3: It'll be more mainstream than it ever was before.

767
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,199
Speaker 1: So I think the problem is now we're I don't

768
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:13,679
want to say problem. I think what we're going to

769
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,559
see now is more of this potentially occur with some

770
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,920
iconic cards, right, And you know, like you said, the

771
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,920
Hobby's going to decide. People are going to decide with

772
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:29,039
their checkbooks and bank accounts what something's worth. I just

773
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,159
like you said, being an old school guy nineteen seventy nine,

774
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,679
I want I want the best conditioned card I can

775
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,239
afford that's not been messed with, if that makes any sense.

776
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,039
And I don't think that's gonna change. Maybe it's me

777
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:46,960
being stubborn or like you said, old school. I'll wear

778
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:51,960
both of those tags without shame. And you know number one,

779
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,679
I couldn't afford these cards anyway, so I don't have

780
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,599
to worry about it. But from you know, a question standpoint,

781
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,639
it's not something I would I would try to buy

782
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,239
again to each day row. All right, guys, there's another show,

783
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,519
another event coming up here in a in a couple

784
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:14,679
of days that the Hobby's definitely familiar with, and being

785
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,840
held in this building here, the Donald Stevens Convention Center

786
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,960
in Rosemont. We will all be there for this event,

787
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,840
not just Alex, but this is Victor's backyard and it's

788
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,679
not for me, but I always make a point to

789
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,719
try to go. And the one thing I wanted to

790
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960
ask Alex when we were talking about Fanatics fast, do

791
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,920
you know how many dealer tables there were at Fanatics

792
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:41,760
that were like for cards, trading cards.

793
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 5: And fifty different vendors were there.

794
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,519
Speaker 3: That's a small foot.

795
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: That's a very small foot.

796
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: So it's not tables, you gotta think. So some of

797
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,039
them had like six seven tables or whatever the day,

798
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:59,199
but there's two hundred and fifty separate you know, companies or.

799
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: People that oh, okay, yeah, I was considered smaller than

800
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:03,280
a region.

801
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: No, you're look.

802
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:08,519
Speaker 1: You know obviously the nationals four figures and tables. They've

803
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:12,440
expanded that now starting last year they went to the

804
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,599
second floor. I think that's expansion continues. Uh you know, uh,

805
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,840
the main stage is being redone this year. We'll talk

806
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,840
a little bit about that towards the end with with

807
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,199
something with this show. So it continues to evolve. I've

808
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,639
heard other people kind of meld both of these topics together.

809
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,159
There's some people that are are would like to claim

810
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,440
that at some point Fanatics would like to acquire the

811
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:44,599
National and own it and and run it themselves. You

812
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:48,920
know when when early in the stages, when Fanatics acquire

813
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,679
tops and were talking about getting in all these things,

814
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,039
I said, I jokingly said, like, maybe they'll buy the

815
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,519
National and it'll be the Fanatical.

816
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: And then that was even before Fanatics Fast was even

817
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,559
a thing. They launched their own show. I mean, what

818
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,079
are thought?

819
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,519
Speaker 1: You think that's something in their master plan or they

820
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,800
just comfortable doing what they do, Like the finete I

821
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,400
read somewhere cost them like ninety million dollars just to

822
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:18,159
put that thing on. You know, again, you can't be

823
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,480
bought unless you're selling, so the National can say we're

824
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,440
not for sale, you know, blank check or no blank.

825
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,440
But I've heard people talk about that. Whoever wants to

826
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:28,519
I don't.

827
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: You can go ahead, Vigor, I'm not.

828
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of that concept. I just think

829
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,400
they both compliment one another. Let's just leave it like

830
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:43,199
that for now. And I think each is its own entity,

831
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,960
each has its own purpose. Why do we Why do

832
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:48,920
they need to merge that? I don't know, I don't

833
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,159
like it.

834
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it there They're not going to like like the

835
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,480
collector's dream just posted. The National is a nonprofit, right,

836
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,400
it's as the board has everything else they're not selling.

837
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,639
And on top of that, you know we talk about

838
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,039
you know, fanatics having their hands and everything. The fact

839
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,159
that I don't know if they they would be fine

840
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,840
working with all those other companies honestly at the National,

841
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,559
because you don't see Panini, you don't see Leaf, you

842
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,360
don't see those other individuals set up the fanatics fest, right,

843
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,239
The fact that they would be in charge of it

844
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,880
all and those other you know, companies that are competitors

845
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440
honestly in their space, would be that. So I think

846
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:30,000
that the word was out there that they did want

847
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,719
to buy it. That is one hundred percent true. But

848
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:37,000
they've the National. They have no no interest in selling

849
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,039
PID to anybody because I just love doing it. Remember

850
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,000
that the people that are running it, people are on

851
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,360
the board, the people that the actually the three that

852
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,880
are running it, they love this industry, they love being hobbyists.

853
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,159
They love this stuff, and they'd rather just keep doing

854
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,480
the way they are than you know, make some money.

855
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's again. Yeah, I'm with Victor. I

856
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,880
hope that never happens. I like the National, the National

857
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,119
and you know, I know that's nonprofit. There's a couple

858
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,000
of comments saying, you know, you know, come on, like

859
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,639
you know, nonprofits can make money to a certain extent

860
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,159
if they put the money back into the endeavor. There's

861
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,639
all sorts of rules. A nonprofit can be sold like that.

862
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,639
People think like that that can't it can be. It

863
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,679
can be like the power can be transferred. So that's

864
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,760
not a deal breaker as far as being a nonprofit.

865
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,360
But I'm you know, I don't think it's going to happen.

866
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,079
But I didn't think someone would ever own tops other

867
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,320
than the Shore family either. So you never say one

868
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,920
thing we've learned in the hobby right, never say never,

869
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,800
because the minute you do. You know, we got collectors

870
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,760
that owns three three to four major grading platforms.

871
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:51,599
Speaker 4: One of the things I do have to say about

872
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,679
you know, you said you brought up the whole fat

873
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,000
access you know, ninety million to put the eighty to ninety.

874
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 5: Million to put that together.

875
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: As soon as you walk thing you could see it,

876
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,440
you can see it from the sign is everything they

877
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,440
have everywhere, right, So when you walk in so many

878
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:11,119
big huge builds, platforms and everything that's there whatever, But

879
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,280
you also got to look at the branding that's everywhere

880
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,800
that probably paid towards that. At and T was one

881
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,639
of the main sponsors. They had multiple spots whatever. From

882
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,840
my understanding, you know, I don't don't give me a

883
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,599
quote me on certain numbers. I think they paid like

884
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:24,440
twenty million to.

885
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: Be all over that individual.

886
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's almost a quarter of it right there,

887
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,559
right on top of everything else. Right, So there's a

888
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,039
lot of money that went in and you know, but

889
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,119
the stuff that comes out, like you see a lot more.

890
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,840
For another big difference between the two Fanatics you know

891
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,800
has all the merch, big merch and stuff like that.

892
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,880
The National has National merch. You know, I'm learning stuffing

893
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,119
from last year of course, but they have all those

894
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,800
other clothing lines on their Fanatics. That's one of the

895
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,760
biggest areas of Fanatics festival is the merch village, all

896
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,000
the different shirts and everything else that they have over there.

897
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,239
I mean, you were able to get air Force ones

898
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:03,079
customized with game used jersey put over the Nike logo

899
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,880
like on station like there was some cool activations and

900
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,760
stuff like that, or it was event or they used

901
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,480
like replica jerseys they put on there so those type

902
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:14,679
of things, you know, Fanatics has their hand a lot

903
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,599
more into because they that's their business, you know. The

904
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,760
National Again, that goes back to they're there to host

905
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:26,320
a collector's convention, not try to truthfully sell you stuff.

906
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: Right, And I do think the point about the the

907
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,840
how it looks right as soon as you walk in,

908
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,039
I do. I will admit as a homer to the

909
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:40,199
Chicago Convention Center because it's only an hour away from me,

910
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,119
But that doesn't include our fifth season out here, which

911
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:48,159
is construction season, so that our drive turns into two

912
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,880
hour drive. But I do think that the Convention Center,

913
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,719
and this is more on the Convention Center than it

914
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,280
is on the Nationals board, is that the building is

915
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,199
starting to feel a little dated, that it can use

916
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,639
a fresh coat of paint, maybe some fresh panels somewhere.

917
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,800
The decor can probably improve a little bit, and we can.

918
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,760
It'd be nice at the very least. It's it's getting

919
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,400
kind of like boring to look at the same ugly

920
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,000
building all the time, you know what I'm saying. Outside

921
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,719
the aesthetics are nice, but inside it's starting to show

922
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,159
it's eight But yeah, I'm maybe they'll maybe this year

923
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,079
is the year that they're going to do something different.

924
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: I like different cities, right Like, I'm looking forward to

925
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Detroit in twenty eight, not against Chicago Chicago.

926
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm not.

927
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,559
Speaker 3: How far is Detroit? How far?

928
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: I disagree?

929
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: How far is Detroit from where you are? Victorim?

930
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,639
Speaker 2: About five hours? About five?

931
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,159
Speaker 1: Okay, it's six hours from me in central New York here,

932
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,360
which is my sort of six to seven hours I'll

933
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,159
drive to. If you get past that seven with Chicago

934
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,639
is well passed, then I have to fly run a car.

935
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:03,119
So my expense report goes up somewhat, not somewhat, it

936
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,360
goes up, and Detroit I'll be able to drive to,

937
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:08,559
so that I'm looking forward to that. I've never been

938
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,559
to Detroit, where I've been to Chicago multiple times. Heck,

939
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,440
I've been to Chicago even not for the National just

940
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:18,760
for other other things. So I'm looking for the new venues.

941
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,599
You know, I'm an East Coast guy. Uh but like

942
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,599
in fairness, like if I lived in California or Washington

943
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,719
or Seattle or you know, Nevada, the West coast there,

944
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,679
like it's always like and I was a collector or

945
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,679
what I am now, I'd always have to go you know,

946
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:41,440
way east. Even in Chicago, it's not close for those folks,

947
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,039
even though it's central locate. I'm all for having like

948
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,639
a West Coast national, even though it will cost me

949
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:49,400
more money to get there.

950
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: Like I just I believe in fairness.

951
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,639
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're and you know, there's even

952
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,880
talk of having like an overseas national, like a lot

953
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,719
a National in London. H I don't know if I'll

954
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,199
be able to get there. Well, you know, if whatever happens,

955
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,519
then i'd have to crunch the numbers. But uh, I'm

956
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,000
a guy that likes to see it move around. I

957
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,199
don't think it should be it's gonna be in Chicago

958
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,239
for three straight years, so with next year's national there,

959
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,760
I don't think it should be anywhere now, says is

960
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,840
not me bagging on Chicago. I don't think it should

961
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,480
be in any city. Three straight years.

962
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: I'll go too. I'll agree with two, but after that,

963
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:27,639
I think it's got to move somewhere.

964
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna challenge you with this question,

965
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,679
because now what you're doing is shaking the foundation. Then

966
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,159
do you agree with the dealers voting and choosing where.

967
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna Oh man, that's a good question. Here's what

968
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,599
I'll say. I think they should have a say. Right,

969
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:46,079
they're the one setting.

970
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: Up without the dealers, you have nothing.

971
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: No, you're right.

972
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: I think they're say should be it should be a

973
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:57,639
weighted percentage, so whether that's like sixty percent, seventy percent, whatever,

974
00:50:58,119 --> 00:50:59,039
whatever you agree on.

975
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: And then I think the other percent, whatever it is, thirty.

976
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,519
Speaker 1: Should be like collect or vote, and you put those

977
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:08,880
two almost like the electoral college. Uh.

978
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: In politics.

979
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,639
Speaker 4: What I think is first, first off is have they

980
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,920
announced what they're voting on this year for twenty nine?

981
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,079
Speaker 2: I have heard.

982
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,559
Speaker 5: I haven't either. That's the reason why I'm asking. There's

983
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:22,400
a few parts of this.

984
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 4: If you look at the demographic of the vendors that's

985
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,519
set up at the National where do you think the

986
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,159
majority of them are at. They're in the Midwest, They're

987
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,440
good population of them are in the middle. I'm the

988
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,360
same as you, John. I love traveling. Of course everyone

989
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,599
sees that because I go everywhere, but I love seeing

990
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:42,599
the new cities. I've never been Detroit, so I'm looking

991
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:43,119
forward to that.

992
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 5: Right.

993
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 4: What I think should happen would would be pretty cool.

994
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,440
Have a little voting thing at the National this year

995
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,119
out in the lobby with where would you like it

996
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,360
to be? Let the let the people the collectors coming

997
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,719
through have a little kiosks there they can know iPad

998
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,360
or something and put that what cities they would like

999
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,719
to see the natal in and getting nice little poll

1000
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,679
going from the people that are coming to the actual you.

1001
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 5: Know, to to the commandments deal.

1002
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 4: It's a huge it's a huge deal. And and I've

1003
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,360
been you know, they I've sat down and they told

1004
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,679
me the whole process of you know, trying to decide

1005
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,239
what gets voted on. I mean it starts off they

1006
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,360
have all the cities, like they're like, we want all

1007
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,039
these places, and then they break down what's of what

1008
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,920
city convention center is available during that week? You know

1009
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,079
that cuts that's cuts them Inhattan.

1010
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: I like that.

1011
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:34,519
Speaker 2: I mean it could be you know, the dealers have

1012
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,920
a vote and they should carry the majority of the vote,

1013
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,880
but then there should be the people's vote. Yeah, and

1014
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,360
there should be maybe like here are the cities where

1015
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,480
we possibly can have it.

1016
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so so you gotta you gotta go off

1017
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,920
of you know, they want to be all these cities,

1018
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,360
these are the only ones that are available during that week,

1019
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,559
right then they break down. Okay, now, how's the infrastructure.

1020
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,119
One of the things that I believe Vegas it will

1021
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,079
never be in Vegas is because the National can't control

1022
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,159
the hotels in Vegas.

1023
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 5: Right.

1024
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 4: They want to be able to have that, you know,

1025
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,480
National being able to get a little bit cheaper for

1026
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,840
the vendors and other people during the vps and stuff

1027
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,599
like that. The casinos all run the hotels in Vegas.

1028
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,599
There's they'll never be able to do that. So that's

1029
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:16,000
one thing that sucks. It probably will never go out there,

1030
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,079
never say never, But there's so many different logistical things

1031
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,159
that go into where it's going. As much as we

1032
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,000
want it to be other places, I don't.

1033
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 5: I just want to be there.

1034
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 4: I just want to be there amongst everybody else. I

1035
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,039
honestly can be in Chicago for the next decade. I

1036
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:34,480
don't care because you can get out of Chicago really easily.

1037
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Hotels all right there, everything's there, and we know how

1038
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:41,039
it is. And there's two baseball teams that hopefully one

1039
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:42,239
of them is playing at some point.

1040
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: You're not weak, yep, yep.

1041
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: If you're a Yankee fan this coming week, all week,

1042
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,480
you're you're in luck because they're in Chicago all week

1043
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,039
playing the White Sox at the front of the week.

1044
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,519
Speaker 3: I know Alex is going Tuesday.

1045
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm going Tuesday, and then they play the Cubs and

1046
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840
Wrigley on the back end of the week. The back

1047
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,000
end of the week, I'm sure Alex and Victor will

1048
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,679
agree what I'm about to say. That's when things get

1049
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,840
real busy for us, even after the show closes.

1050
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 3: So I'm not it'll be tricky.

1051
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: But up Tuesdays perfect because the show is not officially

1052
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,519
open yet and I'm gonna be there early.

1053
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 4: And so a lot of the a lot of the

1054
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,199
Cubs games, a lot of the Cubs games are actually

1055
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:23,960
day games too.

1056
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right.

1057
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: During the show, so I heard a podcast episode by

1058
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:34,239
Brett from Stacking Slabs. Well informed young man, but he

1059
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,360
was making a solid case for Indianapolis. Yeah, he was

1060
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,960
saying how how Indianapolis can handle a National? He made

1061
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,960
a really strong case.

1062
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 3: Right.

1063
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:44,679
Speaker 4: I had to sit down with the Road to the

1064
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,440
National with sports cards nonsense, and with Ryan. I saw sasquatch.

1065
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,280
He's lived in Indy for so long and everything else.

1066
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,639
He loves Indy and he made he made a plea

1067
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,800
for it. How many times has the Final Four been

1068
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:57,239
in Indie?

1069
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:58,159
Speaker 3: How many times?

1070
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 5: There's so many things been an indie?

1071
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:06,559
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'm turning my microphone volume keeps.

1072
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:10,039
Speaker 5: He's turned the auditune on. That's what he's doing.

1073
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,199
Speaker 3: I thought you were petty good microphone.

1074
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Uh uh.

1075
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to see in Seattle, even though that would

1076
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
be one hell of a trip for me from New York.

1077
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 3: I just I've never been.

1078
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,039
Speaker 1: I've you know, I've heard stuff about Seattle. I've seen

1079
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:32,400
stuff on eb uhh. I think it could be done there.

1080
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,039
I know they have a convention center. It's west be

1081
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,280
a West Coast National. There was a comment a few

1082
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,039
comments back about having two Nationals a year.

1083
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not for that. I think one and

1084
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,679
here's my here's what I would I get.

1085
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: Chicago is the favored venue by the dealers, by a

1086
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,440
lot of collectors. It's centrally located. I'm not going to

1087
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,480
argue that it's it's it's true what I like to see.

1088
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:03,000
So have twice in Chicago, like back to back, then

1089
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,559
have it in two different cities the next two years,

1090
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,960
and then have it come to back to Chicago. So

1091
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,519
it's in Chicago for half half the national That's how

1092
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,960
That's what I like this. So you get two Chicago Nationals,

1093
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,599
then two different city Nationals, then back to Chicago for

1094
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,400
two more. That's what I would propose. I also, like

1095
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,000
we talked about, I'd like to see you got to

1096
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,480
give the dealers a voting because they're the backbone of

1097
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,280
the show. Right, I agree on that whether you want it.

1098
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,920
Want to wait at sixty seventy percent, and then you'll

1099
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,599
let collectors get that other thirty forty percent. And if

1100
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,559
for some reason the collectors vote is very strong to

1101
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,840
a city where the dealers pick majority doesn't win, then

1102
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,519
it is what it is, right majority or however the

1103
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,360
rules are, then that dealer has a choice. Like let's

1104
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,679
say the collectors vote Seattle, I'll just use that. And

1105
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,119
a dealer says, man, I was going to go to Chicago,

1106
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:03,119
but Seattle, Uh, that's too much for me. Then that

1107
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,199
opens up a spot for somebody out like you have

1108
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:09,679
you know, it's it's your option right to go, just

1109
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,920
like it is for collectors.

1110
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,679
Speaker 3: Like not everyone's going into National this year. That went

1111
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,519
last year, some people are not.

1112
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,519
Speaker 1: Going this year, And that same thing with dealers like

1113
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:20,719
if it's too much, you have to make a business decision.

1114
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: Right.

1115
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: In the last decade, they have changed. So we went

1116
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,519
to Cleveland and we went to a city. Now in

1117
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:30,079
the last decades, which one has which shows have been

1118
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:33,840
kind of like the most inconvenient ones, well, the one,

1119
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,159
the one in Cleveland and the one in Atlantic City.

1120
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: And I liked it. I liked it. I could drive it.

1121
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: You're biased, but I'll.

1122
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: Tell you what I am bias.

1123
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 4: One of the things I know we're gonna wrap it

1124
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,480
up quick, but I one of the things I want

1125
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,519
to talk about is like, I mean, there's a whole

1126
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:54,599
international section at the National Division. There's a whole area

1127
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,840
of international UH sellers that are going.

1128
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,159
Speaker 5: To be there. Listen to people.

1129
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,159
Speaker 4: If they can fly, I drive, whatever they're doing, take

1130
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:04,719
the boat over to come to the National You guys too,

1131
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,079
I tell I tell everyone, I tell everyone this the

1132
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:11,320
same thing. The National Next year is a year from

1133
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,199
next week. Start budgeting.

1134
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: Now you know when it is. It's last week every year.

1135
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,440
Start budding.

1136
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: We know where it is, and we know where it is.

1137
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,199
Speaker 5: We know where it is, so you know you might

1138
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,320
not be able to get your hotels that quick or whatever,

1139
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:25,239
or your flights.

1140
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 4: But you can put that money to the side and

1141
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,159
save up and the next name you're going to be

1142
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,840
there next year. People can come from Germany, people are

1143
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,480
coming from Japan, people are coming from Africa, from all overplace.

1144
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,239
I'm really excited to see the international like booth areas.

1145
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: I love.

1146
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: Here's a question, and I have an answer for this. Says,

1147
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,559
how do I hide money from the white?

1148
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,639
Speaker 3: Well? How do I do it? I'll answer that question

1149
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,199
because I do it, So who better?

1150
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Right? I have a business account, which I set up

1151
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,239
as shows as a dealer, my content creation general rate

1152
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,039
some funds, so that's where so when I go to

1153
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:06,159
the National it doesn't come out of my joint account.

1154
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,880
It comes out of that business account. But start a

1155
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,719
savings account in your I'm not trying to get your divorced,

1156
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,400
but even if you don't have a business, start a

1157
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,280
savings account just your name and that sort of.

1158
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,039
Speaker 4: Listen, whatever you want to, whatever you're gonna budget for

1159
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:23,119
that month, buy a card that amount, right, and then

1160
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,159
just put those cards aside. Now they're sitting there, she

1161
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,039
doesn't know that the money, and then sell them. Sell

1162
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,079
them two months prior to the national start and then

1163
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:30,679
you got your money.

1164
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: As Mike Petty says, don't tell her that's another option.

1165
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:38,960
But remember this stuff all has potential repercussion.

1166
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:39,119
Speaker 3: You know.

1167
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: It's funny. When I set up at a show, I

1168
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,039
gotta give my wife credit. She never asked me, like

1169
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:46,119
how much money did you make? You just say how

1170
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,559
was the show? And I'll say good, great, Okay, not good.

1171
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,079
You know, she never asked me. So I appreciate, you know,

1172
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:57,320
I'm fortunate that and she knows that all that stuff

1173
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,239
doesn't come out if I buy cards. You when I

1174
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,800
bought my Jackie Rookie three or four years ago, Uh,

1175
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,000
that didn't come out of our joint money. That that

1176
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,519
was me making that purchase with that that account. So

1177
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,960
but you know, in marriage, honesty is the the best policy.

1178
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,599
Speaker 3: And in life. Yeah, so I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, don't take anyvice from me. I'm twice the worst.

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Speaker 1: So I just say, yeah, I'm I'm I'm only married once.

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And like I joke with my wife, I only will

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be married once.

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Speaker 2: He got caught caught with the card money twice.

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Speaker 4: No, I had to sell all my stuff because she couldn't.

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We didn't have a job, she didn't have a job

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to help, you know, for the family. So I was like,

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you're kicking kicking the sheets because I can't keep selling

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01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:47,360
my cards off, you know, my big cards. But no,

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uh no, there's other other situation stuff. But that's the

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reason why there's not going to be a third because

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I'm not going to get in there. That's how I'm

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able to do all the.

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Speaker 5: Stuff that I do right now.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, guys, we're coming down the well, we'll pass.

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We'd a little bit of overtime. I want to announce this.

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All three of us will be there. We will be

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you know, Saturday, which is a week from today, will

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be ten am Chicago time, will be live on stage

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01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,840
with a Hobby Hotline episode. As we you know, we're

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01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,079
blessed and we've been blessed to be I don't know

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01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,559
how many we've done up there now, vicor probably five

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01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:27,119
or six. Yeah, maybe I might have missed one. But

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01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:31,440
every year we've we've been uh have gotten a stage time.

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01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:35,320
So uh uh they've they've kind of uh at, you know,

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01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,960
gave us sort of our our normal time slot because

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,960
we are on at ten am Chicago time. Uh so

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01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,039
we will be uh I do not know where it

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01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:47,239
will be live stream.

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01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,119
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think it'll be live stream. I

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01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:50,440
don't know.

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01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: Maybe Alice can answer this, uh on the National's live

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01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,119
stream feed, I believe.

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01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:55,239
Speaker 3: So.

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01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to be putting the information out or

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01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:01,079
the live stream for for the the Alex.

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01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: Now that technology has evolved. Do you think they can

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01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,400
collaborate that live stream with with our channel?

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01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 4: I do you think they should be able to logging

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,320
into you know, and then putting it on there.

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01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,199
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's a page we need to turn jo.

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01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be there early, so I'll track down someone

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01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,159
from the powers that be and and and just find

1224
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:28,280
out how how the process works. And being there early

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01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,239
if it can be done, we can get that done early.

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01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,840
Maybe we'll be all set. But worst case, if you're

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,400
not at the National and you want to see that

1228
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,280
main stage, it'll be somewhere live and I'll put that

1229
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,320
on our social media and all that. So if you

1230
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,199
follow the show on social media, that in from I'll

1231
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:48,679
get that information out if you're not going. If you

1232
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,159
are going, we want to look out from that main

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01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:53,639
stage and seeing as many of you out there in

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01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:54,239
front of us.

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01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,039
Speaker 3: We try to make it interactive.

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01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,679
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, someone will go out into the audience

1237
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:03,000
what I'm microphone and take some questions for the panel

1238
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:05,400
that be uh the three of us will be up

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,159
there along with some of our other co hosts that

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,360
you don't see particularly today as well.

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01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,079
Speaker 3: So I enjoy it.

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01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's no matter how many times we

1243
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:17,920
do it. Uh, you know, it's still fun. It's still

1244
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,320
a privilege and an honor to to get to do it.

1245
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,800
Uh and look one of my highlights of of of

1246
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,480
the National each year and get to hang out with

1247
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:27,559
you guys as well.

1248
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:30,239
Speaker 3: Uh. So it's it's always a good time.

1249
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: So with that being said, like Victor, like, do you

1250
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:36,719
go in with a I have a list of ten

1251
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,159
cards I'd love to add to my PC. I know

1252
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,559
the ten cards are not in the budget to buy

1253
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,199
them all. I'm hoping to get three or four. I'm

1254
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,760
Victor for those that don't know, I'm Victor's good luck charm.

1255
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,679
Whenever I'm walking with him, he spends the most money.

1256
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,400
I don't know if that's a good luck charm or

1257
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,239
a uh, but you know, so, you know, do you

1258
01:03:57,559 --> 01:03:58,159
have a list.

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna take I'm gonna play. I had list

1260
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,880
all the time, except for last year. Last year I

1261
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,400
just went free Willie and I had the best time

1262
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,599
just doing it free Willy. So I think I'm gonna

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01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,840
do more of the same. Hopefully I can grab you

1264
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,760
for an hour or two.

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,639
Speaker 1: We can walk around rent godally rented John Booth. It's

1266
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,639
I forgot the table number. But yeah, so Alex, I

1267
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,320
know you're Pat Tillman. Guys there Tillman, Like, that's you know,

1268
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:28,360
at the front of your list that you're looking for.

1269
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:31,400
You just sort of go in open minded and whatever

1270
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:31,960
I have.

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01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 4: The list that I have is like I have broken

1272
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,840
down of what parallels and stuff that I need for

1273
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:40,960
the certain rainbows and everything of Tillman. Some of the

1274
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,599
bigger ones, like the newest One manga that came out,

1275
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:47,119
like those inserts are just out of mind. So for me,

1276
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,320
it's like finding the ones that one have Tilman's because

1277
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,519
a lot of people don't put them out.

1278
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 5: They're never out.

1279
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 4: Everyone hoards them, yay, and so that makes the hunt fun,

1280
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,440
you know, a lot more fun. But uh, and then

1281
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:02,119
it's just a they're basic, you know, I'm always trying

1282
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,719
to upgrade. You know, some certain rookies that I have,

1283
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,360
and everything's iconic one, so you know, whatever I can spot.

1284
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:10,760
So but a lot of times when i'm there, I'm

1285
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:13,559
when I'm not looking at cards, I'm talking in those.

1286
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:15,960
I'm you know, yeah, being part of the being one

1287
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,079
of the correspondents for the for the national, I'm going around,

1288
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:21,599
I'm talking. I'm gonna be a reporter on the ground,

1289
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:24,280
talking to people about their stories, how how they got

1290
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,199
certain cards, everything else, blah blah blah. So if anyone

1291
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:29,320
out there is, you know, listening, they see me, stop me,

1292
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,880
especially if you have a story. If you have a

1293
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:33,639
story you want to be told, like maybe you got

1294
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,239
passed down a card, maybe you're doing this because of

1295
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,400
something else and everything else, and you want to talk

1296
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,880
talk to me. I'm gladly you know, use my voice

1297
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:44,639
in so many different ways to get your story out there.

1298
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:45,960
If you want or if you just want to talk

1299
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,559
about it you don't want to be on camera, I'm

1300
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:50,639
there too for that, right, I'm always all for just

1301
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,280
chatting it up, especially meeting.

1302
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: Hey, can we talk about true rookie cards?

1303
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, guys, let's end, you know, and Saturday,

1304
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,239
I'll be there Tuesday. I know a lot of people

1305
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,119
coming Wednesday, so we're just a few days away. I

1306
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:11,400
want to wish everyone going to the show safe travels

1307
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:16,480
and smooth sailing or flying or driving. Enjoy the show.

1308
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,360
Like Alex said, I echo that right. If you see me,

1309
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,679
come shake your hand. Love to meet people, talk to hobby,

1310
01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:27,199
talk life. You know, when you get my age, you

1311
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,199
know stuff, even if you don't want to know it.

1312
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,719
It's just one of those things that comes age and whatnot.

1313
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,280
So again, hope to see many of you in Chicago,

1314
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,480
many of you next Saturday, maybe right in front of

1315
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:43,719
us when we do this very show. So everyone out

1316
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,400
there that chat room. As always, we appreciate you, We

1317
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,920
love you. If you're listening to us even after the fact,

1318
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,320
maybe can't catch us live you work on a Saturday,

1319
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:55,840
but you still devoting time to the show at a

1320
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:59,920
later time, we appreciate you as well. So we'll see

1321
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,440
you here hopefully in a couple of days, and we'll

1322
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,199
see you in a week for sure. Thanks everybody, Thank

1323
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,440
you for listening to another episode of Hobby Hotline. We'd

1324
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:12,239
like to thank all involved with this show, and in

1325
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,639
alphabetical order, that is doctor James Beckett Sports Card Insights,

1326
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:23,480
Brad Patune Tech and Cards, Danny Black at Sportsball, Rody

1327
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:27,719
the Kid The Hobby Life, Herman Bryant three B Collection,

1328
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,280
Cory Donovan, Yamwax, Chris Harris from stale Gum dot Com,

1329
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,239
Drew Herndon of Let Me Get That Potograph and Letter Ripped,

1330
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:42,840
John Keating of That seventies card Show, Rich Klind The Legend,

1331
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:48,599
Jason Martin from NASCAR Radio, Val Mars from NASCAR Radio,

1332
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:54,079
Mike mornihan baseball collector and Bench Clear Media, John Newman

1333
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:59,039
from Sportscardination and Hobby Quick Hits, Ryan Noen Breakout Cards,

1334
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,960
Adam Palmer, Heroes Basal, Victor Roman, True Rookie Specialist, Sam

1335
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:08,960
Schuffert from the Women of the Hobby, bo Thompson one

1336
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:14,159
Million Cubs in Hobby Revolution, and Logan Ward of NASCAR Radio.

1337
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:18,720
Whether they appeared on this episode or previous one, all

1338
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,560
these folks are involved with the show and we are

1339
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,479
thankful to have them. We'll see you next time on

1340
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:25,399
Hobby Hotline.