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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>with the show. All right, Bigft Society, we get the

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<v Speaker 1>privilege of talking to Brett. Brett is an individual that

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<v Speaker 1>reached out with some information through the comments over on

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<v Speaker 1>the YouTube channel, which do get a lot of my

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<v Speaker 1>interviews from those YouTube comments. A lot of people ask

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<v Speaker 1>me if I read all of them. I do read

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<v Speaker 1>all of them as of right now. But Brett is

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<v Speaker 1>an individual and he'll be sharing. Brett is an individual

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<v Speaker 1>that I'll be sharing something that happened in the Upper

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<v Speaker 1>Peninsula of Michigan. So, Brett's a privileged to have you

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<v Speaker 1>on the show today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, glad to be here. Jeremiah.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. And before before we get started with you sharing

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, is there anything else that the listeners would

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<v Speaker 1>need to know about yourself for context before we have

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<v Speaker 1>you start in on what happened that day?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Sure. I was born and raised in Market County, Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am a professional air environmental scientist. I have

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<v Speaker 2>been for thirty four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, Well, Brett, what I'm going to have you do

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<v Speaker 1>is if you wouldn't mind taking us back to as

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<v Speaker 1>far back as we need to go, you can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lay out what happened that day that you had

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<v Speaker 1>that interaction with bigfoot up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this was back in the fall October nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six, from nineteen seventy seven. I was a high

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<v Speaker 2>school kid at the time, and that weekend we were

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<v Speaker 2>at my dad hunting camp, myself, my grandfather, and my

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<v Speaker 2>dad and his brother and a couple of guys that

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<v Speaker 2>we hunt with. It was a beautiful Sunday morning. When

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<v Speaker 2>I got up, all of these were in color and

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<v Speaker 2>we were there to cut wood for the upcoming fire

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<v Speaker 2>and deer season. So I'd asked my dad when I

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<v Speaker 2>got up if I could go for a walk or

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<v Speaker 2>go go our grouse hunting for a couple hours before

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<v Speaker 2>we started wood, and Dad I said, yes you can,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want you back here in two hours. Said okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I grabbed my hat and I grabbed my pump

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<v Speaker 2>shot gun, and off down the road I went, and

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<v Speaker 2>I walked. We had a lot of property, and I

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<v Speaker 2>walked up this ravine and sat in a seat that

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<v Speaker 2>was my uncle Charlie's. And I sat down in the

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<v Speaker 2>seat for a while the rest as I walked a

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<v Speaker 2>fair distance and I could hear something coming behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>running very quickly. So I turned watch and here comes

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<v Speaker 2>the red fox running right at me. I had no

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<v Speaker 2>intention of harming the fox at all. I was marveling

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<v Speaker 2>how fast he could run, and also I wonder what

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<v Speaker 2>stirred him up, because I was the only guy around,

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<v Speaker 2>and back then there were very few people in that

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<v Speaker 2>part of the county, within about a mile of Lake Superior.

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<v Speaker 2>So he disappeared from my site. I sat a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more than I decided I was going to walk

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<v Speaker 2>back down the ravine out to the road and check

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<v Speaker 2>a bear bait station that I had set up for

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<v Speaker 2>a hunting. I had a bear permit, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a walk to get there, probably a

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<v Speaker 2>good mile to go down these locking roads that Dad

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<v Speaker 2>had to get to the seat. And my bait was

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<v Speaker 2>on a small knoll. But I was walking through an

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<v Speaker 2>area of sugar maple sugar maple stand and it had

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<v Speaker 2>been damped that morning. We'd had a frost and the

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<v Speaker 2>leaves were thawing, so it was very quiet walking. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was walking up towards the knoll and I could

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<v Speaker 2>see where I had tied the pail of just fish

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<v Speaker 2>bait I had out there for the bears, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had been coming for a couple of weeks. And I

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<v Speaker 2>saw that the pail was pulled down, which is something

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<v Speaker 2>I had done by design, as I knew a bear

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<v Speaker 2>was up there, and I was strong enough to staff

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<v Speaker 2>the rope to get the pail down. So I walked

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<v Speaker 2>up onto the knoll and in front of me was

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<v Speaker 2>this very large, hairy creature was I thought at that

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<v Speaker 2>time was a bear. I didn't really know anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about bigfoot. I knew nothing of that

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<v Speaker 2>at my age at that time, and I stood there

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<v Speaker 2>looking at this thing, thinking that is a really big bear.

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<v Speaker 2>He was facing away from me, so his butt was

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<v Speaker 2>facing me, and that's all I could see was his backside,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was about fifty feet away. I was standing

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a skew to him. I had my pump shotgun.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't afraid at all because I just thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was a bear. So I knew I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot that bear with a shotgun. I had got myself

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<v Speaker 2>control with them. My grandfather would have been very unhappy

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<v Speaker 2>with me. I had no intention of doing it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I just been there watching, looking at this very large

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<v Speaker 2>one I thought was a bear. It picked his head

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<v Speaker 2>up a couple of times, and looking around, I had

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<v Speaker 2>the win in my face. I could smell him. He

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<v Speaker 2>smelled bad, like a wet dog, as I recall, and

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<v Speaker 2>I could see the back of his head a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times. It's kind of a funny shape, not around

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<v Speaker 2>like I've seen bears. I've seen a lot of bear

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<v Speaker 2>than the woods. At that time, when I was out

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<v Speaker 2>in the withs with my dad and my grandpa, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden he picked his head up, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's looking around again. I couldn't see the front. I

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<v Speaker 2>could only see the back of his head and his behind.

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<v Speaker 2>He put his head down one more time, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he picked his head back up and it took off,

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<v Speaker 2>running straight away from me. And it had a very

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<v Speaker 2>funny gait. It didn't run like a bear. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a funny gait. And the best thing I could describe

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<v Speaker 2>it was it ran like a chimpanzee. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, we used to watch the TV show called

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<v Speaker 2>Doc Try and Doc Torry had a kid panzee and cheetah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we watched it as kids, and we became familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with that, and that's the best way I can describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Would run again. It ran straight away from me, down

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<v Speaker 2>the little knoll and then on into the timber, and

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<v Speaker 2>I stood there thinking, is that thing injured? What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that an injured bear? And again I was just

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<v Speaker 2>a kid. I didn't know. So it disappeared and I

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<v Speaker 2>shrugged it off and said, I better get back to camp. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad's going to be waiting for me, and if I'm laid,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be in trouble. So I turned and walked back

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<v Speaker 2>through the stand of timber that I'd gone through before.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just about out to the old loggy

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<v Speaker 2>road and I could hear something to my left. It

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<v Speaker 2>would walk when I I would walk, it would stop

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<v Speaker 2>when I would stop, and I would look and look

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<v Speaker 2>and look like, what is that? And I walked out

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<v Speaker 2>to the road. I looked down the road both ways.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see anything, and I turned to walk south.

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<v Speaker 2>I was heading back to the hunting camp, and it

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<v Speaker 2>happened again. It would walk when I would walk, it

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<v Speaker 2>would stop when I would stop. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>times I stopped really abruptly at the fool it and

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<v Speaker 2>it would take a couple of steps to stop, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking and looking. I couldn't see what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And it did this and follow me, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>off to my left for probably a couple hundred yards. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't scared. I thought, oh it bear must be

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<v Speaker 2>following me. And I wasn't worried at all. I'd have

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<v Speaker 2>a caring. I wasn't afraid of anything at that age.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I got near to the hunting camp, I

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<v Speaker 2>could hear a chain saw started up, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>my dad calling me get back here. Well. Once the

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<v Speaker 2>chain saw started up, I couldn't hear it anymore. I

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<v Speaker 2>got back to camp, and I told my dad and

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<v Speaker 2>my grandpa and uncle and the guys what I had

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<v Speaker 2>seen the fox, and then this is what I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was a bear, and then it was following me like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And they all listened to me very intently, but they

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't say anything, but I could see in their

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<v Speaker 2>face like, yeah, here's a teenage boy with a wild imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>But I said, I know what I saw, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know what happened. And all these guys were World War two,

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<v Speaker 2>Korean War in Vietnam best, all big, tall guys had

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<v Speaker 2>fear of nothing, which always was comforting to me when

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<v Speaker 2>I was growing up to have these guys are all

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<v Speaker 2>really big guys around me. And that was the end

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<v Speaker 2>of my experience. But for years I hadn't put it

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of my mind. I hadn't thought about

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<v Speaker 2>it at all till probably twenty years ago or so.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was telling me a story where he had

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<v Speaker 2>walked down one of the ridges at our camp. He's

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<v Speaker 2>very elderly now. When he was younger, he walked a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dad was talking about him walking down one of

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<v Speaker 2>the bridges and he heard a bear bellow, Well, bears

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<v Speaker 2>don't bellow. Bears don't make any noise. But that's was

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<v Speaker 2>his explanation, and I didn't really who was not on

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<v Speaker 2>my very much. I mean, I just say, Dad, what

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<v Speaker 2>is it telling? Well, it was the bear bellow, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>bears don't do that. I didn't say anything to him

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<v Speaker 2>out of respect, but when he said that, it reminded

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<v Speaker 2>me of that day I saw this what I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was a bearer creature in the woods, and I began

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<v Speaker 2>wondering what did I see? By then, if Bigfoot was

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, this would have probably been two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>eight when he told me that story. And so Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>was a thing. We were watching stories about it, the

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson Gimmlin film, other films, and so I started thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about my experience, and then I started thinking about what

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<v Speaker 2>Dad hurt. So from there I again put it out

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<v Speaker 2>of my head. I didn't think much about it. Life

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<v Speaker 2>went on. I had gotten married, I had kids, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>been active duty for seven years. One day I was

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<v Speaker 2>spending some time with my daughter and my grandchildren, and

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<v Speaker 2>my grandchild loved to hear her stories, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>told them my story. And I had never told anybody

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<v Speaker 2>that until probably within the last four years. I subsequently

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<v Speaker 2>shared that story a couple other times, but I had

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<v Speaker 2>never really told anybody, and Rachel's that My daughter said, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>you never told us about that when we were little.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, Rachel, I kind of forgot about it

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<v Speaker 2>up until Grandpa was mentioning his experience and all of

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<v Speaker 2>it came flooding back to me. And it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>I was afraid of ridicule or anything. I just life

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<v Speaker 2>ad gun on for me. I hadn't thought about it

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<v Speaker 2>until that time. Well, once I did, I decided I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to talk much about it because people are

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<v Speaker 2>going to look at me funny and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe ridicule. I just decided to keep it to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>So I told my ha their daughter, but it happened

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<v Speaker 2>to me and Grandpa's experience, and they both kind of

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<v Speaker 2>looked at me kind of funny. But I said, girls,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't think that was a bear. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure because I couldn't see the front, but everything

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<v Speaker 2>about that animal and how it ran and be following

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<v Speaker 2>all these years later, I'm starting to put two and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six or seventy seven, I'd have been fifteen at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and we knew nothing about the Gimlin film,

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<v Speaker 2>Patty or these other experiences that people have even in

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<v Speaker 2>the Midwest. But I do now, and I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 2>share it. It's not like we getting off my chest.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't hit it. Just in the last few years.

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<v Speaker 1>Brett, Thank you, Thank you for sharing that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is.

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<v Speaker 1>A pretty rare encounter for this podcast, because we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to hear a lot about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>kind of popular states with Bigfoot, but it is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>pretty special to hear something about this particular state, especially

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<v Speaker 1>up in the Upper Peninsula. Do you mind if I

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<v Speaker 1>ask you some questions about what you experienced that day?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. The first thing would be more about the area,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just looking at the map of Marquette County,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know things that on the map might not

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<v Speaker 1>have been specifically there back then. I'm not really up

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<v Speaker 1>with the history about Michigan and the Upper Peninsula, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do notice that there's a state forest area in

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<v Speaker 1>south Marquette County. Was it around that area at all

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<v Speaker 1>or no?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Northern Marquette County, Okay, within a mile of Lake Superior,

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<v Speaker 2>And that area that we were in is largely private land.

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<v Speaker 2>To this day, it is very heavily wooded. It is

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<v Speaker 2>remote and like my dad used to laugh, we could

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<v Speaker 2>walk so far back in the Wizarren even any deer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not quite like that anymore, but it was then.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Do you think there could be to this day

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<v Speaker 1>bigfoot activity up in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>In our area where our hunting camp is. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know Jeremiah anymore because there's more people around, But as

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<v Speaker 2>you get up towards the more northern tip of Market County,

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh. In the here on mountains, that's very possible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very remote, large large shocks of private land that

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<v Speaker 2>people don't get around in much because it's private, and

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<v Speaker 2>it would not surprise me, and there's lakes and game

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<v Speaker 2>and fish in heavily wooded it's it would not it

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<v Speaker 2>would not surprise me. We have timberwolves. My brother got

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<v Speaker 2>a photo of a mountain lion and west.

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<v Speaker 1>Of there on Argon Cally Big for Society will be

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<v Speaker 1>right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>That sure, you just move so you never know what

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna run too, because once you get away from

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<v Speaker 2>the cities like Marquette where he got issuing, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>it's still to this day very remote.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Now your sighting is also unique because it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like for most of the sighting, really you just saw

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<v Speaker 1>a back view of the creature.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yeah, I was about fifty feet away. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I was fairly close, but all I could see was

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<v Speaker 2>him or her down on the ground, you know, cleaning

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<v Speaker 2>up the fish parts that I had in the pail.

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<v Speaker 2>It was eating those. I really couldn't hear it per se,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could smell them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so it was eating the fish parts. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>was it using its hands to eat the fish or

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<v Speaker 1>just like you know, putting its head down there and

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<v Speaker 1>chew and chound down on them.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of ferns back and fern, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't really tell if it was using his

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<v Speaker 2>hands or just using eating when it is in his mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very good question. I couldn't see. I couldn't tell.

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<v Speaker 1>You also mentioned that you had called out specifically its backside,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very interesting. Was there any any detail about

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<v Speaker 1>the backside that really jumped out to you in your

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<v Speaker 1>memory or or it was just like, man, that that's

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<v Speaker 1>just really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>My first thought at that age was this is a

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<v Speaker 2>really big bear. I mean of this furry or hairy, dark,

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<v Speaker 2>not black, and black bears aren't necessarily black either. There's

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<v Speaker 2>always a little tinge of cinnamon or brown, and this

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<v Speaker 2>animal had the same thing. I would say that the

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<v Speaker 2>fur was probably in around four inches long. It was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty thick, no tail, There was no tail or. I

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<v Speaker 2>could see the muscles in its headquarters and on its flanks,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were some ferns, so I couldn't see his feet.

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<v Speaker 2>And if i'd have been able to see his feet,

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<v Speaker 2>then I would have said, oh wow. But I could

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<v Speaker 2>not see his feet. They could clearly see this animal.

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<v Speaker 2>It was big, and I was not afraid. I was

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<v Speaker 2>not anything. I was marveling at what I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>a very big bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting at that time. Then whatever you saw was standing

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<v Speaker 1>up on two legs, for it was.

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<v Speaker 2>On force, and it ran on for it it ran

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<v Speaker 2>on for and its gates and how it ran and

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<v Speaker 2>all four was not like a bear I have seen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I spent all my life at that time. I

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<v Speaker 2>was only fifty or sixteen, and it was with my

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<v Speaker 2>dad and my grandpa, and we spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time and seen bears and other animals, and we just

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of our lives looking for him, looking

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<v Speaker 2>at them. But that thing ran by something I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>seen before. That was remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you already called out that it was very chimpanzee like.

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<v Speaker 1>For those may have not seen that before. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>able to describe what it's like when a chimpanzee runs.

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<v Speaker 2>Like its front legs are like reaching out to grab something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's back legs. It's kind of a hop, like I'm chimp,

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<v Speaker 2>and see what hop? They tend to run a little sideways.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched some videos since then, and when I saw

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<v Speaker 2>like Cheetah on doctor Run, I watched a YouTube here

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<v Speaker 2>I looked and I said, there it is. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>it ran. I couldn't see the front though. I can

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<v Speaker 2>only see the great big butt and watch it run

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<v Speaker 2>through the brush and matt very quickly. But I could

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<v Speaker 2>see its front legs like it was grabbing something, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, that's an odd gate. And I thought, what

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<v Speaker 2>if that thing is injured. It's got to hurt back

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<v Speaker 2>or it's flanks or hurt or something, because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>running like any bear I'd ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any tail to the what you saw?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, I couldn't see a tail. You really couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>see a tail on a black bear either, But no,

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<v Speaker 2>And nothing stuck out to me as remarkabout that. Just

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<v Speaker 2>a very big backside.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look at you know, some some frames

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<v Speaker 1>of the Patterson Gimmlin film or even if you watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>you can really see the muscles, especially in the legs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna shout out my buddy Jonathan Easley for

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<v Speaker 1>for pointing this out to me. You can really see

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<v Speaker 1>those muscles, Ripple. Was that anything where you could see

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles at all when this thing moved away from you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I could see his glutes, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>see that on the bear sometimes too. I could see

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<v Speaker 2>his glutes when it ran, I could see that, and

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<v Speaker 2>what was do issue one of the fur on his

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<v Speaker 2>flank I really got my best look at it was

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<v Speaker 2>the from the back and a little bit to the left,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just ran straight away through me. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was close enough. I could see. I could see foods,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's butt muscles and its legs. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>at that age, Jeremiah, I thought nothing of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>just thought that was another bear and it had a

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<v Speaker 2>very weird gait.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely was the whole thing covered with hair? Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what color?

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<v Speaker 2>Brown? And dark? I would say black with some brown

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<v Speaker 2>to it. No, I never saw some belly or its

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<v Speaker 2>chest or neck or face because it was away from me.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I saw was about was about I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>be four inches long. I would say, thick and black,

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<v Speaker 2>nearly black to brown, very dark, very very dark. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say. If you asked me back in that day,

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<v Speaker 2>I said that was black.

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<v Speaker 1>Were there parts that you could see that had either

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<v Speaker 1>worn down hair or was the hair pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>same all the way around.

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<v Speaker 2>On his backside? It looked all the same to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, interesting, he had a funny head.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a funny head. Though he picked the head

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<v Speaker 2>up a couple of times that did not have the

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<v Speaker 2>shape of a normal bear. It was I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say it's point. People say conical. I say, yeah, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of conical. But I see a lot of bear in

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<v Speaker 2>my life at that point. And that was the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, that's kind of a funny shaped head.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the way it ran for two things that

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<v Speaker 1>Did it seem to have a neck at all that

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<v Speaker 1>you could see?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit when it ran, Yeah, when it

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<v Speaker 2>ran on all four you could see the head sticking

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<v Speaker 2>out from the from the shoulders a little bit, which

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<v Speaker 2>were big, but the whole animal was big, but it

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<v Speaker 2>had that gate or not normal.

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<v Speaker 1>So getting having that viewpoint, did you were you able

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<v Speaker 1>to see any ears on the head at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, No, that was picking up like a bear. Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that would be well, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, well, if you thinking of everything that you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that day, what would you say was the number

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<v Speaker 1>one detail that made you be like, oh, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was not a bear?

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<v Speaker 2>The gate? The gate, The gate set me out Heremiah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the other little parts I thought about over

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<v Speaker 2>years coming together, But it was the gate I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>lots of bear. I hunted bear. This thing, this, this

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<v Speaker 2>creature did not run like a Michigan black bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, Nope, How would How does a Michigan black bear

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<v Speaker 1>usually how would they usually move in that type of situation?

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<v Speaker 2>Run like a dog? Yep, run like a dog, a

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<v Speaker 2>big dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I would think that the other, the other big

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<v Speaker 1>thing for me would be that no visible ears. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a huge deal looking at pictures of bear like

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll ask you, I mean, you usually would be

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<v Speaker 1>seeing visible ears if you are dealing with an actual bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, you would see I'm the bigger the head, the

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<v Speaker 2>smaller the ears look, but you always see that ear

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<v Speaker 2>is picking up no matter what, you'll see the ears.

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<v Speaker 2>And only a couple of people and my girls too.

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<v Speaker 2>So Daddy, could you see any ears in that thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I had to think back and be objective about

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm an environmental scientist, so I'm also the

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<v Speaker 2>world's biggest skeptic walking along. You got to prove things

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<v Speaker 2>to me, right, and so being objective about it, running

422
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<v Speaker 2>it through my mind said you know what I did

423
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<v Speaker 2>not I did not see I did not see yours.

424
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<v Speaker 2>I did not see a tail, and I just saw

425
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:17.200
<v Speaker 2>a really big.

426
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Butt when it was running away from you. Were you,

427
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.759
<v Speaker 1>at any time able to see the bottom of the

428
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<v Speaker 1>feet at all?

429
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. No hair, Okay, no hair. Black bears don't

430
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 2>have hair in the bottom of their feet either, right.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember any color of what the skin looked like?

432
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Gray? Okay, yep, because it would flash. I could see

433
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:50.319
<v Speaker 2>him running until he got about sixty yards out. Then

434
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>it just all I could see was this big black

435
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.559
<v Speaker 2>thing running through the woods really fast. But yeah, when

436
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:57.319
<v Speaker 2>he took off you, I could see the bottom of him.

437
00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>But I've seen that before and again add that age.

438
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I was at Jeremiah at the point, was thinking it

439
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 2>was just another bear, but they were gray, black bear

440
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.519
<v Speaker 2>feed gray depends who being walking through clay. His feet

441
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.319
<v Speaker 2>are going to be the color of the soils the end.

442
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 2>But I was gonna stand up sugar, maple and hemlock,

443
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.680
<v Speaker 2>so there's nothing like that around. It's just all these

444
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 2>so those feet will be fairly clean, one would think.

445
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.119
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's a good question, and that's that's what

446
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I saw a yach at.

447
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.279
<v Speaker 1>C Street when it was running. Was do you think

448
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.519
<v Speaker 1>it was able to run at the same amount of

449
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>speed that a bear would or what did it seem

450
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>to be faster?

451
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, black bear, even a big black bear can

452
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 2>run really fast. And this thing moved really fast. Would

453
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I say is faster than a bear? Because of the

454
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.759
<v Speaker 2>gate was so different than a bear, I can't judge that,

455
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<v Speaker 2>But now I can tell you that when it took

456
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<v Speaker 2>off running and disappeared very quickly.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Did you see anything that made you think that the

458
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>arms and the legs were the same length or maybe

459
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 1>they wore different lengths.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I I've got to think about this second, because

461
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it ran with a different gate and like a chimp.

462
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 2>I looked at that thing too, is there you know?

463
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 2>The arm the front legs looked longer than the back,

464
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>but then the bears can look like that. But but

465
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:35.599
<v Speaker 2>its gates is what threw me. The front legs were

466
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.680
<v Speaker 2>definitely longer, and I couldn't you know, make out the pause,

467
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>but you can see when it runs, it's like it's

468
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>reaching for something, like it's trying to grab a hold

469
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 2>of the earth and pull itself forward. That's what it

470
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 2>looked like. That's not what he was doing or sheet,

471
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 2>but that's what it looked like to me. Like it

472
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.400
<v Speaker 2>was reaching out to grab bear. Doesn't run like that.

473
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.440
<v Speaker 2>They're not run like that. I've seen them run lots

474
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<v Speaker 2>of times, not like that.

475
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<v Speaker 1>That is it's extremely interesting. It'll be interesting to see

476
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>if people reach out from that same area. Since you were,

477
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty specific in explaining you know, the area

478
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 1>where this happened. Thank you for doing that. Is a

479
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>very very interesting. Now, sometimes when individuals have a sighting

480
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>like this, it will affect or they'll start to notice

481
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 1>other weird things in their life afterwards. Did you have

482
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 1>anything else weird happen in your life as you grew

483
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>up into adulthood.

484
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've had a couple of weird things. But then

485
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 2>I've had seven years of active duty sure overseas. It's

486
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>been deployed twice, so there's yeah, there's plenty of weird

487
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>things happen. Oh yeah, yeah, I have weird things happened,

488
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>But that's probably that is in the top five of

489
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>five of weird things that happened in his life. And

490
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>people have said to me, oh, you saw bear, Well

491
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 2>you said that to me in nineteen seventy six or

492
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>seventy say, and I said, yeh, that's what I saw.

493
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.440
<v Speaker 2>But I've learned a bit, and I've become quite a

494
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 2>bit older. And I'm a professing environmental scientist. I am

495
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 2>a skeptic. I scrutinize, I study, I sample. That's what

496
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I do, Jeremiah, That's what I've done all my working

497
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>life outside of act duty. So I can sit back

498
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>without using imagination and recall that day what I saw,

499
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 2>what I heard, and what I smelled. And somebody say

500
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 2>that was a bear in me, I say, I don't

501
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>think so. I lived long enough to say nah, I'm

502
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 2>not going to fool myself into thinking that. I've been

503
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 2>back to that spot many times. I was grouse hunting

504
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 2>with a close friend of mine. We walked up and

505
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>over that knoll, and I can remember that day very distinctly.

506
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not afraid I never saw it again. I don't

507
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.519
<v Speaker 2>want anybody else did. I sure would like to have

508
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a discussion my grandpa. He's long gone now, he was

509
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:12.319
<v Speaker 2>quite elderly then, and ask Grandpa if he'd ever had

510
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>an experience like that. Maybe he'll say so, maybe one,

511
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 2>but I'll never know. He's gone now. But I would

512
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>have loved to have that conversation with Grandpa. Do you

513
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>remember that day and then it never happened to you

514
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 2>because when he was in Michigan, it was right around

515
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the turnith century and he grew really old and he

516
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.519
<v Speaker 2>had some great stories, but I never heard him tell

517
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>him like that.

518
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Being an individual that has to really notice details because

519
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>of the different things you've done over the years from

520
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 1>what you were looking at that day and what you

521
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 1>remember did what you saw did what you saw is

522
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>seem more ape like or more human, or maybe something

523
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>completely different.

524
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I would say the gate is what I focused on

525
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 2>in these recent years.

526
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah Big for society will be right back. After these messages.

527
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Ran like like I said, like Cheetah on Doc Cary,

528
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And I say it that way because anybody that grew

529
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>up when I did in the seventies, that's what you

530
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.279
<v Speaker 2>watched on TV and it was a cool show. You

531
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>can still find that on YouTube. And I refreshed my

532
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>memory by looking for doctor on YouTube. Sure enough, I

533
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>find one and they'll have a you know, a clip

534
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of Cheetah running across a yard. And I said, my

535
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>point at it, I said, there it is, that's it

536
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 2>right there, That's what I saw. Only really big on all.

537
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Fours when you were walking back to the others, And

538
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I know you heard that, you know you heard the

539
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 1>creature moved through the woods. What other sounds were you

540
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>hearing that day in the woods?

541
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Really nothing else. The wind was calm. It had been

542
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 2>very frosty, so it has to be a very still

543
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>night to be frosty. I didn't couldn't hear anything in

544
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.680
<v Speaker 2>the nearest county road from where I was walking was

545
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 2>a solid mile through up woods, and anybody that grew

546
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 2>up there knows up woods's and thick woods. It blocks

547
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sound. And I could hear I could

548
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>walk down the road the leaves in the road or Dad.

549
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>But walking in the woods, you snap a branch, crunchy crunch,

550
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 2>That's what I could hear off on my left. And

551
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>again it would walk when I would walk, it would

552
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>stop when I stopped. And this is like I said,

553
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>anyone on for probably two hundred yards as I was

554
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>walking down this whole logan room which was dirt, there

555
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 2>leaves on it. And when Dad started a chainsaw, I

556
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's scared it away or what, or

557
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't hear it. But it was no longer

558
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>following me, and it probably knew there were some guys

559
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>that camp. And again these were all really big guys,

560
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>not afraid of anything. So and I was afraid. I wasn't.

561
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was a bear. Chere am I figure

562
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 2>this dog on taking its fallowing back to camp? See

563
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 2>how close he gets? I thought, my Grandpa and I,

564
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.559
<v Speaker 2>we'll see something happen. But it didn't. It's it quit.

565
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Was your dad starting up the chainsaw to get you

566
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.599
<v Speaker 1>to come back? Was that a normal thing he would do?

567
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh yeah, because he would grow a patient and

568
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 2>he started remembering chainsaw. It was you know, get your

569
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 2>butt back here or it's going to be trouble. And

570
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I was already on my way. So yeah, that was

571
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 2>him call on the kid back because we had work

572
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>to do.

573
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>That's funny, I mean, yeah, it makes sense like back then,

574
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't. You wouldn't have a way of you know,

575
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no electronics really out there, and you know you

576
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't have cell phone or walkie talkies or anything you

577
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 1>know that works.

578
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. Yeah, you had to watch. You had a compass

579
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and if you're late, you better have a good excuse.

580
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Well I had to watching the compass, but I had

581
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.319
<v Speaker 2>no excuse. But I got back when he when he

582
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>fired that chainsaw. And I listened to the stories, all

583
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>four of those four or five of those guys. You're

584
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:34.559
<v Speaker 2>all standing there, listen to me. Tell me in the

585
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 2>story A fifteen year old skinny kid, my dad, six

586
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 2>foot two, way over two hundred pounds, his brother, my grandpa,

587
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 2>the other guys with all World War two, Korean War. Yeah,

588
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I BET's afraid of nothing. They listened to me, but

589
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 2>you could sell. You could see the look of skepticism

590
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>on their face, like a sure I said, I know

591
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>what I saw, I know what I smelled, and I

592
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 2>know what I heard. No one's ever going to change that,

593
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and to this day has not. I'm sixty two now.

594
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 1>When you so, it sounded like you spent a lot

595
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 1>of time out there in those woods over the years.

596
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever hear any sounds that just did not

597
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 1>really belong or that were, you know, a little weird

598
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that.

599
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 2>The only other weird thing I heard was I was

600
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>hunting bear at that same spot. Might have been a

601
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>year later. Back then. You can get a bear permit

602
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>over the counter in Michigan. Wow, I heard I heard

603
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>a bobcat screech. That was the weirdest thing for me

604
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>other than other than that. No, no tree knocks, No,

605
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.760
<v Speaker 2>nothing like that. I've never heard that in my life,

606
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 2>and at that time I wouldn't have known it anyway.

607
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.639
<v Speaker 2>But nothing out of place, just just that day. And

608
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.199
<v Speaker 2>I've been back there before. I've hunted deer around there,

609
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and the guys in our camp. Gosh, this is what

610
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty years later? Almost No, And I always wonder when

611
00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I go out there. I would love to see that again.

612
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm not afraid of it. I would love to experience

613
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 2>that again. See that again. So I don't have to

614
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>ask Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates, Hey, dude, what

615
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>did I see right?

616
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Show me again, Saint Peter. Definitely. Yeah. You are currently

617
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>an environmental scientist as of today.

618
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for thirty four years.

619
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna ask. I'm just going to ask.

620
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 1>You can decline, you know, because of your current do

621
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 1>you do you have any thoughts regarding I'm sure you

622
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 1>have some really interesting thoughts, you know, being a environmental

623
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 1>scientist about possible conservation, you know, possible. Does conservation need

624
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.199
<v Speaker 1>to be a thing if these are actually discovered? Or

625
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>what the implications are if you know sasquatch is discovered

626
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>in an area someday, is that anything you might have

627
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>any thoughts about.

628
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I thanks for asking that, Jam I have thought about

629
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 2>that a lot. I'm not sure how much effect that

630
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>would have in Michigan, but I'm in the Pacific Northwest,

631
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<v Speaker 2>in the Southeast, where timber products are the backbone of

632
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>livelihoods and industry. It could have a significant impact negatively

633
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 2>on the economy. I think that if we discovered they are,

634
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>they are there, and I'm not far from making up

635
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 2>my mind that they are after my experience. We have

636
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 2>to think about that, and there's steps of preservation that

637
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be so impactful to industry into livelihoods.

638
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<v Speaker 2>But we're not talking about a spot at owl, and

639
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>we're not talking about you know, small mammals and birds

640
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that we take conservation measures. For me, this is a

641
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 2>big animal. This thing is big in these areas is

642
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 2>ranged eat. So when scientists and industry and legislature come

643
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<v Speaker 2>together on deciding what are we gonna do about this now,

644
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.

645
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<v Speaker 2>If industry is gonna have a lot to say about it,

646
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<v Speaker 2>very very strong political action committees lobbyists that are gonna

647
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<v Speaker 2>lesson want to lessen the blow to industry once we

648
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 2>find these things are exactly what we think they are.

649
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<v Speaker 2>It's I don't know what will happen. It'll be you

650
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>need to do. I think that they need to be

651
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>protected just like any other of God's creatures. We need

652
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<v Speaker 2>to need to protect that. If someone needs to defend

653
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 2>themselves like I would, I'm I'm not going down. No,

654
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going down and knowing anyone else for that matter.

655
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<v Speaker 2>But that is a really interesting question how industry and

656
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<v Speaker 2>the legislature would come together to come up with them

657
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<v Speaker 2>preservation plan, protection plan or something for a bigfoot.

658
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's such an interesting thing because if you

659
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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the big picture over the years,

660
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 1>every now and then another county will pop up with, hey,

661
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<v Speaker 1>don't if you see a bigfoot, don't shoot it or

662
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 1>you'll get a fine, or you know, they'll be these

663
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>these different they'll they'll be these these things that won't

664
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.920
<v Speaker 1>be a fun time if you do take action against it.

665
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<v Speaker 1>And it's just it's interesting how maybe it's more of

666
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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a slow burn. I mean, this is

667
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<v Speaker 1>just me talking but maybe slow Burn preparing for something

668
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that might be coming out in the future. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's there's people that reach out to me,

670
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know, park rangers and forestry workers do reach

671
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>out to me. They don't they don't really come on

672
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 1>the show. But you know, if those individuals did start

673
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>to come on the show, there could be some real

674
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<v Speaker 1>solid information that starts to get put out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a good friend of mine that frequents Kentucky

676
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>as friends there. He lives in Michigan. He grew up

677
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>a mile from me, and it's been in those same

678
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>woods with me, and he he was he was a lifer.

679
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 2>His whole career was after Judy the Army. His friends

680
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>in Kentucky near Fort Knox. He travels down there to

681
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 2>see them to get away from winter, and they like

682
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 2>to go Cavis, foreigner, speelunking, whatever you call it. And

683
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 2>he came back one year and I said, hey, how

684
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<v Speaker 2>was your trip on? I was great, But we got

685
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 2>to a camp around one of the caves in a park.

686
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<v Speaker 2>Ranger I was telling us about Bigfoot said, what what

687
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? He said, yeah, you guys, might

688
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 2>I want to park here? Somebody saw one and the

689
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 2>ranger was telling both things, and Tom said, he looked

690
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<v Speaker 2>at ranger square in the eye and he said, sir,

691
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I have a combat vet, I am former army and

692
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 2>you you've got me worried now for him to say

693
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<v Speaker 2>that there's something to be worried about. And the ranger said,

694
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you what we were told. And they

695
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>did not camp there. His decision and their decision was

696
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 2>and their crew their jeepers was yeah, maybe we'll go

697
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>to town.

698
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<v Speaker 1>So wow, And that was Kentucky.

699
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<v Speaker 2>He said, yeah. And he's a combat vet, sixteen years

700
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<v Speaker 2>active duty National Guard, deployed all around the world. He's

701
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.719
<v Speaker 2>got two other buddies. It's the same thing, and they're

702
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>all looking at each other with given this guy kind

703
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>of Harry eyeball. But it's come from a ranger, so

704
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>that means something. And they took us out, he said, Brett,

705
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, what did you do? We got in

706
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the car and we left. I said, well, I'm sure

707
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 2>that ranger understands the economic impact telling people those kind

708
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 2>of things because you left. But the word gets around.

709
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 2>We were all connected now in the internet email. Yeah,

710
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not the only guy. He told that story too,

711
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>But he's just looking at me and shaking his head.

712
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I've never told him my story. Tom's never heard me

713
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>tell my story ever, never, ever, But yet he had

714
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>one of his own. No, he didn't get to see it.

715
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>It was second hand from a park ranger. But it

716
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.880
<v Speaker 2>was enough for him and his buddies and their families

717
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to go somepce else.

718
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>That's wild. I wonder if that was around the Mammoth

719
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Cave area.

720
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 2>That exactly, That is exactly where it was.

721
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Man, you do this for five years and you start

722
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to get really good at guessing. Yeah, that's wild.

723
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was what Tom said. And I don't talk

724
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>to Tom much anymore. He was far away, but yeah,

725
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 2>it was a mammoth caves and and that was one

726
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>of their favorite things to do all year long, was

727
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the jeep over there and hike and ste long and

728
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.679
<v Speaker 2>you do what you're allowed to do. But after that occasion,

729
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's there went back. That sucks for

730
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 2>a camp at park service.

731
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, did you say that was just a few

732
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>years ago, you said.

733
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<v Speaker 2>Or within the last four years? Oh? Man, kay, in

734
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 2>the last four or five years. That was his experience.

735
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 2>And I said, and he's a very curious fellow. I'm

736
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>afraid of Zeo, And I said, you didn't plan out,

737
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>you didn't want to stay and find it yourself. When

738
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.599
<v Speaker 2>the park ranger trol of sat, he said, thank you.

739
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 2>We are home, back to whatever town that they were in.

740
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 2>You didn't understand guys like that. They're not afraid of anything,

741
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>deserts form Afghanistan. They've been through a lot of stuff.

742
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>But he did. He he went home.

743
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>M extremely interesting man, Brett. Thank you so much for

744
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for hanging out with me tonight and and for sharing it.

745
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>He really interesting. There's not many accounts where it's just

746
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.920
<v Speaker 1>this viewpoint of the creature that I've taken, So this

747
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 1>is a very very interesting one. I'm glad you came

748
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.639
<v Speaker 1>on the show tonight to share what you experienced that day.

749
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the opportunity. I've told this story a couple

750
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>other times, and every time I tell it, I start

751
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to remember a couple of things. The question you had

752
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>about the ears, I hadn't thought about that much, but

753
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I have a vivid memory in my mind what I

754
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 2>saw and the feats, and so you joggle a couple

755
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 2>of things in my mind. Jeremi that were details I

756
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>hadn't thought of in a long time, not that I

757
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:41.159
<v Speaker 2>gossed over, just no one ever asked me, and I

758
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to think about it, right I am.

759
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Now there you go. Well, if anything else, you know,

760
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>if you ever come across anything else out there, feel

761
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 1>free to reach out Brett. But I appreciate you coming on.

762
00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, great, thanks for the opportunity.

763
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<v Speaker 1>Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the list. Number one encounters from Franklin County, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two encounters from the entire state of Iowa. Number

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<v Speaker 1>three encounters from Oakridge, Oregon or the surrounding area. Number four,

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<v Speaker 1>any individuals that know about bigfoot being flown off after

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<v Speaker 1>the Mount Saint Helens eruption. Number five individuals that have

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<v Speaker 1>had a bigfoot encounter while in the military. Number six

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<v Speaker 1>those that have had a bigfoot encounter in the southern

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<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire or north central Massachusetts area including Franklin County, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>Number seven individuals that have had a bigfoot encounter in

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<v Speaker 1>a Bible camp or boy Scout camp setting. Number eight

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<v Speaker 1>individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house

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<v Speaker 1>forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that

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<v Speaker 1>have actively have a bigfoot living on their property. And lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>any sightings that are in the Watchitaw National Forest area

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<v Speaker 1>of Oklahoma or Arkansas. A special thank you to all

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