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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Bigft Society, we get the
Speaker 1: privilege of talking to Brett. Brett is an individual that
Speaker 1: reached out with some information through the comments over on
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel, which do get a lot of my
Speaker 1: interviews from those YouTube comments. A lot of people ask
Speaker 1: me if I read all of them. I do read
Speaker 1: all of them as of right now. But Brett is
Speaker 1: an individual and he'll be sharing. Brett is an individual
Speaker 1: that I'll be sharing something that happened in the Upper
Speaker 1: Peninsula of Michigan. So, Brett's a privileged to have you
Speaker 1: on the show today.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, glad to be here. Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: Awesome. And before before we get started with you sharing
Speaker 1: what happened, is there anything else that the listeners would
Speaker 1: need to know about yourself for context before we have
Speaker 1: you start in on what happened that day?
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure. I was born and raised in Market County, Michigan,
Speaker 2: and I am a professional air environmental scientist. I have
Speaker 2: been for thirty four years.
Speaker 1: Fantastic, Well, Brett, what I'm going to have you do
Speaker 1: is if you wouldn't mind taking us back to as
Speaker 1: far back as we need to go, you can kind
Speaker 1: of lay out what happened that day that you had
Speaker 1: that interaction with bigfoot up there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this was back in the fall October nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six, from nineteen seventy seven. I was a high
Speaker 2: school kid at the time, and that weekend we were
Speaker 2: at my dad hunting camp, myself, my grandfather, and my
Speaker 2: dad and his brother and a couple of guys that
Speaker 2: we hunt with. It was a beautiful Sunday morning. When
Speaker 2: I got up, all of these were in color and
Speaker 2: we were there to cut wood for the upcoming fire
Speaker 2: and deer season. So I'd asked my dad when I
Speaker 2: got up if I could go for a walk or
Speaker 2: go go our grouse hunting for a couple hours before
Speaker 2: we started wood, and Dad I said, yes you can,
Speaker 2: but I want you back here in two hours. Said okay.
Speaker 2: So I grabbed my hat and I grabbed my pump
Speaker 2: shot gun, and off down the road I went, and
Speaker 2: I walked. We had a lot of property, and I
Speaker 2: walked up this ravine and sat in a seat that
Speaker 2: was my uncle Charlie's. And I sat down in the
Speaker 2: seat for a while the rest as I walked a
Speaker 2: fair distance and I could hear something coming behind me,
Speaker 2: running very quickly. So I turned watch and here comes
Speaker 2: the red fox running right at me. I had no
Speaker 2: intention of harming the fox at all. I was marveling
Speaker 2: how fast he could run, and also I wonder what
Speaker 2: stirred him up, because I was the only guy around,
Speaker 2: and back then there were very few people in that
Speaker 2: part of the county, within about a mile of Lake Superior.
Speaker 2: So he disappeared from my site. I sat a little
Speaker 2: bit more than I decided I was going to walk
Speaker 2: back down the ravine out to the road and check
Speaker 2: a bear bait station that I had set up for
Speaker 2: a hunting. I had a bear permit, so it was
Speaker 2: a bit of a walk to get there, probably a
Speaker 2: good mile to go down these locking roads that Dad
Speaker 2: had to get to the seat. And my bait was
Speaker 2: on a small knoll. But I was walking through an
Speaker 2: area of sugar maple sugar maple stand and it had
Speaker 2: been damped that morning. We'd had a frost and the
Speaker 2: leaves were thawing, so it was very quiet walking. And
Speaker 2: I was walking up towards the knoll and I could
Speaker 2: see where I had tied the pail of just fish
Speaker 2: bait I had out there for the bears, and they
Speaker 2: had been coming for a couple of weeks. And I
Speaker 2: saw that the pail was pulled down, which is something
Speaker 2: I had done by design, as I knew a bear
Speaker 2: was up there, and I was strong enough to staff
Speaker 2: the rope to get the pail down. So I walked
Speaker 2: up onto the knoll and in front of me was
Speaker 2: this very large, hairy creature was I thought at that
Speaker 2: time was a bear. I didn't really know anything else.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about bigfoot. I knew nothing of that
Speaker 2: at my age at that time, and I stood there
Speaker 2: looking at this thing, thinking that is a really big bear.
Speaker 2: He was facing away from me, so his butt was
Speaker 2: facing me, and that's all I could see was his backside,
Speaker 2: and I was about fifty feet away. I was standing
Speaker 2: kind of a skew to him. I had my pump shotgun.
Speaker 2: I wasn't afraid at all because I just thought it
Speaker 2: was a bear. So I knew I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: shoot that bear with a shotgun. I had got myself
Speaker 2: control with them. My grandfather would have been very unhappy
Speaker 2: with me. I had no intention of doing it anyway.
Speaker 2: I just been there watching, looking at this very large
Speaker 2: one I thought was a bear. It picked his head
Speaker 2: up a couple of times, and looking around, I had
Speaker 2: the win in my face. I could smell him. He
Speaker 2: smelled bad, like a wet dog, as I recall, and
Speaker 2: I could see the back of his head a couple
Speaker 2: of times. It's kind of a funny shape, not around
Speaker 2: like I've seen bears. I've seen a lot of bear
Speaker 2: than the woods. At that time, when I was out
Speaker 2: in the withs with my dad and my grandpa, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he picked his head up, but
Speaker 2: he's looking around again. I couldn't see the front. I
Speaker 2: could only see the back of his head and his behind.
Speaker 2: He put his head down one more time, and then
Speaker 2: he picked his head back up and it took off,
Speaker 2: running straight away from me. And it had a very
Speaker 2: funny gait. It didn't run like a bear. I had
Speaker 2: a funny gait. And the best thing I could describe
Speaker 2: it was it ran like a chimpanzee. When I was
Speaker 2: a kid, we used to watch the TV show called
Speaker 2: Doc Try and Doc Torry had a kid panzee and cheetah,
Speaker 2: and we watched it as kids, and we became familiar
Speaker 2: with that, and that's the best way I can describe it.
Speaker 2: Would run again. It ran straight away from me, down
Speaker 2: the little knoll and then on into the timber, and
Speaker 2: I stood there thinking, is that thing injured? What is that?
Speaker 2: Was that an injured bear? And again I was just
Speaker 2: a kid. I didn't know. So it disappeared and I
Speaker 2: shrugged it off and said, I better get back to camp. Now.
Speaker 2: Dad's going to be waiting for me, and if I'm laid,
Speaker 2: I'll be in trouble. So I turned and walked back
Speaker 2: through the stand of timber that I'd gone through before.
Speaker 2: And I was just about out to the old loggy
Speaker 2: road and I could hear something to my left. It
Speaker 2: would walk when I I would walk, it would stop
Speaker 2: when I would stop, and I would look and look
Speaker 2: and look like, what is that? And I walked out
Speaker 2: to the road. I looked down the road both ways.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything, and I turned to walk south.
Speaker 2: I was heading back to the hunting camp, and it
Speaker 2: happened again. It would walk when I would walk, it
Speaker 2: would stop when I would stop. So a couple of
Speaker 2: times I stopped really abruptly at the fool it and
Speaker 2: it would take a couple of steps to stop, and
Speaker 2: I was looking and looking. I couldn't see what it was.
Speaker 2: And it did this and follow me, if you will,
Speaker 2: off to my left for probably a couple hundred yards. Again,
Speaker 2: I wasn't scared. I thought, oh it bear must be
Speaker 2: following me. And I wasn't worried at all. I'd have
Speaker 2: a caring. I wasn't afraid of anything at that age.
Speaker 2: And as I got near to the hunting camp, I
Speaker 2: could hear a chain saw started up, and that was
Speaker 2: my dad calling me get back here. Well. Once the
Speaker 2: chain saw started up, I couldn't hear it anymore. I
Speaker 2: got back to camp, and I told my dad and
Speaker 2: my grandpa and uncle and the guys what I had
Speaker 2: seen the fox, and then this is what I thought
Speaker 2: was a bear, and then it was following me like that.
Speaker 2: And they all listened to me very intently, but they
Speaker 2: really didn't say anything, but I could see in their
Speaker 2: face like, yeah, here's a teenage boy with a wild imagination.
Speaker 2: But I said, I know what I saw, and I
Speaker 2: know what happened. And all these guys were World War two,
Speaker 2: Korean War in Vietnam best, all big, tall guys had
Speaker 2: fear of nothing, which always was comforting to me when
Speaker 2: I was growing up to have these guys are all
Speaker 2: really big guys around me. And that was the end
Speaker 2: of my experience. But for years I hadn't put it
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind. I hadn't thought about
Speaker 2: it at all till probably twenty years ago or so.
Speaker 2: My dad was telling me a story where he had
Speaker 2: walked down one of the ridges at our camp. He's
Speaker 2: very elderly now. When he was younger, he walked a lot,
Speaker 2: and Dad was talking about him walking down one of
Speaker 2: the bridges and he heard a bear bellow, Well, bears
Speaker 2: don't bellow. Bears don't make any noise. But that's was
Speaker 2: his explanation, and I didn't really who was not on
Speaker 2: my very much. I mean, I just say, Dad, what
Speaker 2: is it telling? Well, it was the bear bellow, Well,
Speaker 2: bears don't do that. I didn't say anything to him
Speaker 2: out of respect, but when he said that, it reminded
Speaker 2: me of that day I saw this what I thought
Speaker 2: was a bearer creature in the woods, and I began
Speaker 2: wondering what did I see? By then, if Bigfoot was
Speaker 2: a thing, this would have probably been two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight when he told me that story. And so Bigfoot
Speaker 2: was a thing. We were watching stories about it, the
Speaker 2: Patterson Gimmlin film, other films, and so I started thinking
Speaker 2: about my experience, and then I started thinking about what
Speaker 2: Dad hurt. So from there I again put it out
Speaker 2: of my head. I didn't think much about it. Life
Speaker 2: went on. I had gotten married, I had kids, I'd
Speaker 2: been active duty for seven years. One day I was
Speaker 2: spending some time with my daughter and my grandchildren, and
Speaker 2: my grandchild loved to hear her stories, and so I
Speaker 2: told them my story. And I had never told anybody
Speaker 2: that until probably within the last four years. I subsequently
Speaker 2: shared that story a couple other times, but I had
Speaker 2: never really told anybody, and Rachel's that My daughter said, Dad,
Speaker 2: you never told us about that when we were little.
Speaker 2: I said, well, Rachel, I kind of forgot about it
Speaker 2: up until Grandpa was mentioning his experience and all of
Speaker 2: it came flooding back to me. And it wasn't like
Speaker 2: I was afraid of ridicule or anything. I just life
Speaker 2: ad gun on for me. I hadn't thought about it
Speaker 2: until that time. Well, once I did, I decided I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to talk much about it because people are
Speaker 2: going to look at me funny and they're going to
Speaker 2: maybe ridicule. I just decided to keep it to myself.
Speaker 2: So I told my ha their daughter, but it happened
Speaker 2: to me and Grandpa's experience, and they both kind of
Speaker 2: looked at me kind of funny. But I said, girls,
Speaker 2: I know what I saw, I know what I smelled,
Speaker 2: I know what I heard, I know what I experienced.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't think that was a bear. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure because I couldn't see the front, but everything
Speaker 2: about that animal and how it ran and be following
Speaker 2: all these years later, I'm starting to put two and
Speaker 2: two together. Subsequently, I watched a number of YouTube channels
Speaker 2: listen to people share get their testimony, and I wonder
Speaker 2: what it was I saw that day back about nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six or seventy seven, I'd have been fifteen at
Speaker 2: the time, and we knew nothing about the Gimlin film,
Speaker 2: Patty or these other experiences that people have even in
Speaker 2: the Midwest. But I do now, and I'm glad to
Speaker 2: share it. It's not like we getting off my chest.
Speaker 2: I haven't hit it. Just in the last few years.
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I got to share this. I
Speaker 2: got to talk about this because something happened to me.
Speaker 1: Brett, Thank you, Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 1: A pretty rare encounter for this podcast, because we don't
Speaker 1: get to hear a lot about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Speaker 1: We hear a lot of about the Pacific Northwest, other
Speaker 1: kind of popular states with Bigfoot, but it is pretty
Speaker 1: pretty special to hear something about this particular state, especially
Speaker 1: up in the Upper Peninsula. Do you mind if I
Speaker 1: ask you some questions about what you experienced that day?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Awesome. The first thing would be more about the area,
Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at the map of Marquette County,
Speaker 1: and I know things that on the map might not
Speaker 1: have been specifically there back then. I'm not really up
Speaker 1: with the history about Michigan and the Upper Peninsula, but
Speaker 1: I do notice that there's a state forest area in
Speaker 1: south Marquette County. Was it around that area at all
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 2: No, Northern Marquette County, Okay, within a mile of Lake Superior,
Speaker 2: And that area that we were in is largely private land.
Speaker 2: To this day, it is very heavily wooded. It is
Speaker 2: remote and like my dad used to laugh, we could
Speaker 2: walk so far back in the Wizarren even any deer.
Speaker 2: It's not quite like that anymore, but it was then.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Do you think there could be to this day
Speaker 1: bigfoot activity up in that area.
Speaker 2: In our area where our hunting camp is. I don't
Speaker 2: know Jeremiah anymore because there's more people around, But as
Speaker 2: you get up towards the more northern tip of Market County,
Speaker 2: it's uh. In the here on mountains, that's very possible.
Speaker 2: It's very remote, large large shocks of private land that
Speaker 2: people don't get around in much because it's private, and
Speaker 2: it would not surprise me, and there's lakes and game
Speaker 2: and fish in heavily wooded it's it would not it
Speaker 2: would not surprise me. We have timberwolves. My brother got
Speaker 2: a photo of a mountain lion and west.
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Speaker 2: That sure, you just move so you never know what
Speaker 2: you're gonna run too, because once you get away from
Speaker 2: the cities like Marquette where he got issuing, it's very
Speaker 2: it's still to this day very remote.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Now your sighting is also unique because it sounds
Speaker 1: like for most of the sighting, really you just saw
Speaker 1: a back view of the creature.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I was about fifty feet away. I mean
Speaker 2: I was fairly close, but all I could see was
Speaker 2: him or her down on the ground, you know, cleaning
Speaker 2: up the fish parts that I had in the pail.
Speaker 2: It was eating those. I really couldn't hear it per se,
Speaker 2: but I could smell them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so it was eating the fish parts. Now,
Speaker 1: was it using its hands to eat the fish or
Speaker 1: just like you know, putting its head down there and
Speaker 1: chew and chound down on them.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of ferns back and fern, and
Speaker 2: so I couldn't really tell if it was using his
Speaker 2: hands or just using eating when it is in his mouth.
Speaker 2: That's a very good question. I couldn't see. I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1: You also mentioned that you had called out specifically its backside,
Speaker 1: which is very interesting. Was there any any detail about
Speaker 1: the backside that really jumped out to you in your
Speaker 1: memory or or it was just like, man, that that's
Speaker 1: just really weird.
Speaker 2: My first thought at that age was this is a
Speaker 2: really big bear. I mean of this furry or hairy, dark,
Speaker 2: not black, and black bears aren't necessarily black either. There's
Speaker 2: always a little tinge of cinnamon or brown, and this
Speaker 2: animal had the same thing. I would say that the
Speaker 2: fur was probably in around four inches long. It was
Speaker 2: pretty thick, no tail, There was no tail or. I
Speaker 2: could see the muscles in its headquarters and on its flanks,
Speaker 2: but there were some ferns, so I couldn't see his feet.
Speaker 2: And if i'd have been able to see his feet,
Speaker 2: then I would have said, oh wow. But I could
Speaker 2: not see his feet. They could clearly see this animal.
Speaker 2: It was big, and I was not afraid. I was
Speaker 2: not anything. I was marveling at what I thought was
Speaker 2: a very big bear.
Speaker 1: Interesting at that time. Then whatever you saw was standing
Speaker 1: up on two legs, for it was.
Speaker 2: On force, and it ran on for it it ran
Speaker 2: on for and its gates and how it ran and
Speaker 2: all four was not like a bear I have seen.
Speaker 2: And I spent all my life at that time. I
Speaker 2: was only fifty or sixteen, and it was with my
Speaker 2: dad and my grandpa, and we spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time and seen bears and other animals, and we just
Speaker 2: spent a lot of our lives looking for him, looking
Speaker 2: at them. But that thing ran by something I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen before. That was remarkable.
Speaker 1: Now you already called out that it was very chimpanzee like.
Speaker 1: For those may have not seen that before. Are you
Speaker 1: able to describe what it's like when a chimpanzee runs.
Speaker 2: Like its front legs are like reaching out to grab something.
Speaker 2: It's back legs. It's kind of a hop, like I'm chimp,
Speaker 2: and see what hop? They tend to run a little sideways.
Speaker 2: I watched some videos since then, and when I saw
Speaker 2: like Cheetah on doctor Run, I watched a YouTube here
Speaker 2: I looked and I said, there it is. That's how
Speaker 2: it ran. I couldn't see the front though. I can
Speaker 2: only see the great big butt and watch it run
Speaker 2: through the brush and matt very quickly. But I could
Speaker 2: see its front legs like it was grabbing something, and
Speaker 2: I thought, that's an odd gate. And I thought, what
Speaker 2: if that thing is injured. It's got to hurt back
Speaker 2: or it's flanks or hurt or something, because it's not
Speaker 2: running like any bear I'd ever seen.
Speaker 1: Was there any tail to the what you saw?
Speaker 2: No? No, I couldn't see a tail. You really couldn't
Speaker 2: see a tail on a black bear either, But no,
Speaker 2: And nothing stuck out to me as remarkabout that. Just
Speaker 2: a very big backside.
Speaker 1: So when you look at you know, some some frames
Speaker 1: of the Patterson Gimmlin film or even if you watch it,
Speaker 1: you can really see the muscles, especially in the legs.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna shout out my buddy Jonathan Easley for
Speaker 1: for pointing this out to me. You can really see
Speaker 1: those muscles, Ripple. Was that anything where you could see
Speaker 1: the muscles at all when this thing moved away from you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I could see his glutes, but you can
Speaker 2: see that on the bear sometimes too. I could see
Speaker 2: his glutes when it ran, I could see that, and
Speaker 2: what was do issue one of the fur on his
Speaker 2: flank I really got my best look at it was
Speaker 2: the from the back and a little bit to the left,
Speaker 2: but it just ran straight away through me. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was close enough. I could see. I could see foods,
Speaker 2: you know, it's butt muscles and its legs. And again,
Speaker 2: at that age, Jeremiah, I thought nothing of it. I
Speaker 2: just thought that was another bear and it had a
Speaker 2: very weird gait.
Speaker 1: Absolutely was the whole thing covered with hair? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what color?
Speaker 2: Brown? And dark? I would say black with some brown
Speaker 2: to it. No, I never saw some belly or its
Speaker 2: chest or neck or face because it was away from me.
Speaker 2: But what I saw was about was about I'm about
Speaker 2: be four inches long. I would say, thick and black,
Speaker 2: nearly black to brown, very dark, very very dark. I
Speaker 2: would say. If you asked me back in that day,
Speaker 2: I said that was black.
Speaker 1: Were there parts that you could see that had either
Speaker 1: worn down hair or was the hair pretty much the
Speaker 1: same all the way around.
Speaker 2: On his backside? It looked all the same to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, he had a funny head.
Speaker 2: He had a funny head. Though he picked the head
Speaker 2: up a couple of times that did not have the
Speaker 2: shape of a normal bear. It was I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say it's point. People say conical. I say, yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of conical. But I see a lot of bear in
Speaker 2: my life at that point. And that was the other thing.
Speaker 2: I thought, well, that's kind of a funny shaped head.
Speaker 2: And then the way it ran for two things that
Speaker 2: stick out and stick out in my mind.
Speaker 1: Did it seem to have a neck at all that
Speaker 1: you could see?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit when it ran, Yeah, when it
Speaker 2: ran on all four you could see the head sticking
Speaker 2: out from the from the shoulders a little bit, which
Speaker 2: were big, but the whole animal was big, but it
Speaker 2: had that gate or not normal.
Speaker 1: So getting having that viewpoint, did you were you able
Speaker 1: to see any ears on the head at all?
Speaker 2: No? No, No, that was picking up like a bear. Nope.
Speaker 1: And I think that would be well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you, well, if you thinking of everything that you
Speaker 1: remember that day, what would you say was the number
Speaker 1: one detail that made you be like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was not a bear?
Speaker 2: The gate? The gate, The gate set me out Heremiah,
Speaker 2: and then the other little parts I thought about over
Speaker 2: years coming together, But it was the gate I've seen
Speaker 2: lots of bear. I hunted bear. This thing, this, this
Speaker 2: creature did not run like a Michigan black bear.
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope, How would How does a Michigan black bear
Speaker 1: usually how would they usually move in that type of situation?
Speaker 2: Run like a dog? Yep, run like a dog, a
Speaker 2: big dog.
Speaker 1: Also, I would think that the other, the other big
Speaker 1: thing for me would be that no visible ears. That is,
Speaker 1: that's a huge deal looking at pictures of bear like
Speaker 1: So I'll ask you, I mean, you usually would be
Speaker 1: seeing visible ears if you are dealing with an actual bear.
Speaker 2: Correct, you would see I'm the bigger the head, the
Speaker 2: smaller the ears look, but you always see that ear
Speaker 2: is picking up no matter what, you'll see the ears.
Speaker 2: And only a couple of people and my girls too.
Speaker 2: So Daddy, could you see any ears in that thing?
Speaker 2: And I had to think back and be objective about
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm an environmental scientist, so I'm also the
Speaker 2: world's biggest skeptic walking along. You got to prove things
Speaker 2: to me, right, and so being objective about it, running
Speaker 2: it through my mind said you know what I did
Speaker 2: not I did not see I did not see yours.
Speaker 2: I did not see a tail, and I just saw
Speaker 2: a really big.
Speaker 1: Butt when it was running away from you. Were you,
Speaker 1: at any time able to see the bottom of the
Speaker 1: feet at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. No hair, Okay, no hair. Black bears don't
Speaker 2: have hair in the bottom of their feet either, right.
Speaker 1: Do you remember any color of what the skin looked like?
Speaker 2: Gray? Okay, yep, because it would flash. I could see
Speaker 2: him running until he got about sixty yards out. Then
Speaker 2: it just all I could see was this big black
Speaker 2: thing running through the woods really fast. But yeah, when
Speaker 2: he took off you, I could see the bottom of him.
Speaker 2: But I've seen that before and again add that age.
Speaker 2: I was at Jeremiah at the point, was thinking it
Speaker 2: was just another bear, but they were gray, black bear
Speaker 2: feed gray depends who being walking through clay. His feet
Speaker 2: are going to be the color of the soils the end.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna stand up sugar, maple and hemlock,
Speaker 2: so there's nothing like that around. It's just all these
Speaker 2: so those feet will be fairly clean, one would think.
Speaker 2: But that's that's a good question, and that's that's what
Speaker 2: I saw a yach at.
Speaker 1: C Street when it was running. Was do you think
Speaker 1: it was able to run at the same amount of
Speaker 1: speed that a bear would or what did it seem
Speaker 1: to be faster?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, black bear, even a big black bear can
Speaker 2: run really fast. And this thing moved really fast. Would
Speaker 2: I say is faster than a bear? Because of the
Speaker 2: gate was so different than a bear, I can't judge that,
Speaker 2: But now I can tell you that when it took
Speaker 2: off running and disappeared very quickly.
Speaker 1: Did you see anything that made you think that the
Speaker 1: arms and the legs were the same length or maybe
Speaker 1: they wore different lengths.
Speaker 2: Well, I I've got to think about this second, because
Speaker 2: it ran with a different gate and like a chimp.
Speaker 2: I looked at that thing too, is there you know?
Speaker 2: The arm the front legs looked longer than the back,
Speaker 2: but then the bears can look like that. But but
Speaker 2: its gates is what threw me. The front legs were
Speaker 2: definitely longer, and I couldn't you know, make out the pause,
Speaker 2: but you can see when it runs, it's like it's
Speaker 2: reaching for something, like it's trying to grab a hold
Speaker 2: of the earth and pull itself forward. That's what it
Speaker 2: looked like. That's not what he was doing or sheet,
Speaker 2: but that's what it looked like to me. Like it
Speaker 2: was reaching out to grab bear. Doesn't run like that.
Speaker 2: They're not run like that. I've seen them run lots
Speaker 2: of times, not like that.
Speaker 1: That is it's extremely interesting. It'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: if people reach out from that same area. Since you were,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty specific in explaining you know, the area
Speaker 1: where this happened. Thank you for doing that. Is a
Speaker 1: very very interesting. Now, sometimes when individuals have a sighting
Speaker 1: like this, it will affect or they'll start to notice
Speaker 1: other weird things in their life afterwards. Did you have
Speaker 1: anything else weird happen in your life as you grew
Speaker 1: up into adulthood.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've had a couple of weird things. But then
Speaker 2: I've had seven years of active duty sure overseas. It's
Speaker 2: been deployed twice, so there's yeah, there's plenty of weird
Speaker 2: things happen. Oh yeah, yeah, I have weird things happened,
Speaker 2: But that's probably that is in the top five of
Speaker 2: five of weird things that happened in his life. And
Speaker 2: people have said to me, oh, you saw bear, Well
Speaker 2: you said that to me in nineteen seventy six or
Speaker 2: seventy say, and I said, yeh, that's what I saw.
Speaker 2: But I've learned a bit, and I've become quite a
Speaker 2: bit older. And I'm a professing environmental scientist. I am
Speaker 2: a skeptic. I scrutinize, I study, I sample. That's what
Speaker 2: I do, Jeremiah, That's what I've done all my working
Speaker 2: life outside of act duty. So I can sit back
Speaker 2: without using imagination and recall that day what I saw,
Speaker 2: what I heard, and what I smelled. And somebody say
Speaker 2: that was a bear in me, I say, I don't
Speaker 2: think so. I lived long enough to say nah, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to fool myself into thinking that. I've been
Speaker 2: back to that spot many times. I was grouse hunting
Speaker 2: with a close friend of mine. We walked up and
Speaker 2: over that knoll, and I can remember that day very distinctly.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid I never saw it again. I don't
Speaker 2: want anybody else did. I sure would like to have
Speaker 2: a discussion my grandpa. He's long gone now, he was
Speaker 2: quite elderly then, and ask Grandpa if he'd ever had
Speaker 2: an experience like that. Maybe he'll say so, maybe one,
Speaker 2: but I'll never know. He's gone now. But I would
Speaker 2: have loved to have that conversation with Grandpa. Do you
Speaker 2: remember that day and then it never happened to you
Speaker 2: because when he was in Michigan, it was right around
Speaker 2: the turnith century and he grew really old and he
Speaker 2: had some great stories, but I never heard him tell
Speaker 2: him like that.
Speaker 1: Being an individual that has to really notice details because
Speaker 1: of the different things you've done over the years from
Speaker 1: what you were looking at that day and what you
Speaker 1: remember did what you saw did what you saw is
Speaker 1: seem more ape like or more human, or maybe something
Speaker 1: completely different.
Speaker 2: I would say the gate is what I focused on
Speaker 2: in these recent years.
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Big for society will be right back. After these messages.
Speaker 2: Ran like like I said, like Cheetah on Doc Cary,
Speaker 2: And I say it that way because anybody that grew
Speaker 2: up when I did in the seventies, that's what you
Speaker 2: watched on TV and it was a cool show. You
Speaker 2: can still find that on YouTube. And I refreshed my
Speaker 2: memory by looking for doctor on YouTube. Sure enough, I
Speaker 2: find one and they'll have a you know, a clip
Speaker 2: of Cheetah running across a yard. And I said, my
Speaker 2: point at it, I said, there it is, that's it
Speaker 2: right there, That's what I saw. Only really big on all.
Speaker 1: Fours when you were walking back to the others, And
Speaker 1: I know you heard that, you know you heard the
Speaker 1: creature moved through the woods. What other sounds were you
Speaker 1: hearing that day in the woods?
Speaker 2: Really nothing else. The wind was calm. It had been
Speaker 2: very frosty, so it has to be a very still
Speaker 2: night to be frosty. I didn't couldn't hear anything in
Speaker 2: the nearest county road from where I was walking was
Speaker 2: a solid mile through up woods, and anybody that grew
Speaker 2: up there knows up woods's and thick woods. It blocks
Speaker 2: a lot of sound. And I could hear I could
Speaker 2: walk down the road the leaves in the road or Dad.
Speaker 2: But walking in the woods, you snap a branch, crunchy crunch,
Speaker 2: That's what I could hear off on my left. And
Speaker 2: again it would walk when I would walk, it would
Speaker 2: stop when I stopped. And this is like I said,
Speaker 2: anyone on for probably two hundred yards as I was
Speaker 2: walking down this whole logan room which was dirt, there
Speaker 2: leaves on it. And when Dad started a chainsaw, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's scared it away or what, or
Speaker 2: I just couldn't hear it. But it was no longer
Speaker 2: following me, and it probably knew there were some guys
Speaker 2: that camp. And again these were all really big guys,
Speaker 2: not afraid of anything. So and I was afraid. I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I thought I was a bear. Chere am I figure
Speaker 2: this dog on taking its fallowing back to camp? See
Speaker 2: how close he gets? I thought, my Grandpa and I,
Speaker 2: we'll see something happen. But it didn't. It's it quit.
Speaker 1: Was your dad starting up the chainsaw to get you
Speaker 1: to come back? Was that a normal thing he would do?
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, because he would grow a patient and
Speaker 2: he started remembering chainsaw. It was you know, get your
Speaker 2: butt back here or it's going to be trouble. And
Speaker 2: I was already on my way. So yeah, that was
Speaker 2: him call on the kid back because we had work
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: That's funny, I mean, yeah, it makes sense like back then,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. You wouldn't have a way of you know,
Speaker 1: there's no electronics really out there, and you know you
Speaker 1: didn't have cell phone or walkie talkies or anything you
Speaker 1: know that works.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, you had to watch. You had a compass
Speaker 2: and if you're late, you better have a good excuse.
Speaker 2: Well I had to watching the compass, but I had
Speaker 2: no excuse. But I got back when he when he
Speaker 2: fired that chainsaw. And I listened to the stories, all
Speaker 2: four of those four or five of those guys. You're
Speaker 2: all standing there, listen to me. Tell me in the
Speaker 2: story A fifteen year old skinny kid, my dad, six
Speaker 2: foot two, way over two hundred pounds, his brother, my grandpa,
Speaker 2: the other guys with all World War two, Korean War. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I BET's afraid of nothing. They listened to me, but
Speaker 2: you could sell. You could see the look of skepticism
Speaker 2: on their face, like a sure I said, I know
Speaker 2: what I saw, I know what I smelled, and I
Speaker 2: know what I heard. No one's ever going to change that,
Speaker 2: and to this day has not. I'm sixty two now.
Speaker 1: When you so, it sounded like you spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time out there in those woods over the years.
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear any sounds that just did not
Speaker 1: really belong or that were, you know, a little weird
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: The only other weird thing I heard was I was
Speaker 2: hunting bear at that same spot. Might have been a
Speaker 2: year later. Back then. You can get a bear permit
Speaker 2: over the counter in Michigan. Wow, I heard I heard
Speaker 2: a bobcat screech. That was the weirdest thing for me
Speaker 2: other than other than that. No, no tree knocks, No,
Speaker 2: nothing like that. I've never heard that in my life,
Speaker 2: and at that time I wouldn't have known it anyway.
Speaker 2: But nothing out of place, just just that day. And
Speaker 2: I've been back there before. I've hunted deer around there,
Speaker 2: and the guys in our camp. Gosh, this is what
Speaker 2: fifty years later? Almost No, And I always wonder when
Speaker 2: I go out there. I would love to see that again.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of it. I would love to experience
Speaker 2: that again. See that again. So I don't have to
Speaker 2: ask Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates, Hey, dude, what
Speaker 2: did I see right?
Speaker 1: Show me again, Saint Peter. Definitely. Yeah. You are currently
Speaker 1: an environmental scientist as of today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for thirty four years.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna ask. I'm just going to ask.
Speaker 1: You can decline, you know, because of your current do
Speaker 1: you do you have any thoughts regarding I'm sure you
Speaker 1: have some really interesting thoughts, you know, being a environmental
Speaker 1: scientist about possible conservation, you know, possible. Does conservation need
Speaker 1: to be a thing if these are actually discovered? Or
Speaker 1: what the implications are if you know sasquatch is discovered
Speaker 1: in an area someday, is that anything you might have
Speaker 1: any thoughts about.
Speaker 2: I thanks for asking that, Jam I have thought about
Speaker 2: that a lot. I'm not sure how much effect that
Speaker 2: would have in Michigan, but I'm in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 2: in the Southeast, where timber products are the backbone of
Speaker 2: livelihoods and industry. It could have a significant impact negatively
Speaker 2: on the economy. I think that if we discovered they are,
Speaker 2: they are there, and I'm not far from making up
Speaker 2: my mind that they are after my experience. We have
Speaker 2: to think about that, and there's steps of preservation that
Speaker 2: don't have to be so impactful to industry into livelihoods.
Speaker 2: But we're not talking about a spot at owl, and
Speaker 2: we're not talking about you know, small mammals and birds
Speaker 2: that we take conservation measures. For me, this is a
Speaker 2: big animal. This thing is big in these areas is
Speaker 2: ranged eat. So when scientists and industry and legislature come
Speaker 2: together on deciding what are we gonna do about this now,
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.
Speaker 2: If industry is gonna have a lot to say about it,
Speaker 2: very very strong political action committees lobbyists that are gonna
Speaker 2: lesson want to lessen the blow to industry once we
Speaker 2: find these things are exactly what we think they are.
Speaker 2: It's I don't know what will happen. It'll be you
Speaker 2: need to do. I think that they need to be
Speaker 2: protected just like any other of God's creatures. We need
Speaker 2: to need to protect that. If someone needs to defend
Speaker 2: themselves like I would, I'm I'm not going down. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not going down and knowing anyone else for that matter.
Speaker 2: But that is a really interesting question how industry and
Speaker 2: the legislature would come together to come up with them
Speaker 2: preservation plan, protection plan or something for a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's such an interesting thing because if you
Speaker 1: if you look at the big picture over the years,
Speaker 1: every now and then another county will pop up with, hey,
Speaker 1: don't if you see a bigfoot, don't shoot it or
Speaker 1: you'll get a fine, or you know, they'll be these
Speaker 1: these different they'll they'll be these these things that won't
Speaker 1: be a fun time if you do take action against it.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's interesting how maybe it's more of
Speaker 1: a kind of a slow burn. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: just me talking but maybe slow Burn preparing for something
Speaker 1: that might be coming out in the future. Who knows.
Speaker 1: You know, it's there's people that reach out to me,
Speaker 1: like you know, park rangers and forestry workers do reach
Speaker 1: out to me. They don't they don't really come on
Speaker 1: the show. But you know, if those individuals did start
Speaker 1: to come on the show, there could be some real
Speaker 1: solid information that starts to get put out there.
Speaker 2: So I'm a good friend of mine that frequents Kentucky
Speaker 2: as friends there. He lives in Michigan. He grew up
Speaker 2: a mile from me, and it's been in those same
Speaker 2: woods with me, and he he was he was a lifer.
Speaker 2: His whole career was after Judy the Army. His friends
Speaker 2: in Kentucky near Fort Knox. He travels down there to
Speaker 2: see them to get away from winter, and they like
Speaker 2: to go Cavis, foreigner, speelunking, whatever you call it. And
Speaker 2: he came back one year and I said, hey, how
Speaker 2: was your trip on? I was great, But we got
Speaker 2: to a camp around one of the caves in a park.
Speaker 2: Ranger I was telling us about Bigfoot said, what what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? He said, yeah, you guys, might
Speaker 2: I want to park here? Somebody saw one and the
Speaker 2: ranger was telling both things, and Tom said, he looked
Speaker 2: at ranger square in the eye and he said, sir,
Speaker 2: I have a combat vet, I am former army and
Speaker 2: you you've got me worried now for him to say
Speaker 2: that there's something to be worried about. And the ranger said,
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what we were told. And they
Speaker 2: did not camp there. His decision and their decision was
Speaker 2: and their crew their jeepers was yeah, maybe we'll go
Speaker 2: to town.
Speaker 1: So wow, And that was Kentucky.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah. And he's a combat vet, sixteen years
Speaker 2: active duty National Guard, deployed all around the world. He's
Speaker 2: got two other buddies. It's the same thing, and they're
Speaker 2: all looking at each other with given this guy kind
Speaker 2: of Harry eyeball. But it's come from a ranger, so
Speaker 2: that means something. And they took us out, he said, Brett,
Speaker 2: I said, well, what did you do? We got in
Speaker 2: the car and we left. I said, well, I'm sure
Speaker 2: that ranger understands the economic impact telling people those kind
Speaker 2: of things because you left. But the word gets around.
Speaker 2: We were all connected now in the internet email. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm not the only guy. He told that story too,
Speaker 2: But he's just looking at me and shaking his head.
Speaker 2: I've never told him my story. Tom's never heard me
Speaker 2: tell my story ever, never, ever, But yet he had
Speaker 2: one of his own. No, he didn't get to see it.
Speaker 2: It was second hand from a park ranger. But it
Speaker 2: was enough for him and his buddies and their families
Speaker 2: to go somepce else.
Speaker 1: That's wild. I wonder if that was around the Mammoth
Speaker 1: Cave area.
Speaker 2: That exactly, That is exactly where it was.
Speaker 1: Man, you do this for five years and you start
Speaker 1: to get really good at guessing. Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what Tom said. And I don't talk
Speaker 2: to Tom much anymore. He was far away, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a mammoth caves and and that was one
Speaker 2: of their favorite things to do all year long, was
Speaker 2: the jeep over there and hike and ste long and
Speaker 2: you do what you're allowed to do. But after that occasion,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's there went back. That sucks for
Speaker 2: a camp at park service.
Speaker 1: But yeah, did you say that was just a few
Speaker 1: years ago, you said.
Speaker 2: Or within the last four years? Oh? Man, kay, in
Speaker 2: the last four or five years. That was his experience.
Speaker 2: And I said, and he's a very curious fellow. I'm
Speaker 2: afraid of Zeo, And I said, you didn't plan out,
Speaker 2: you didn't want to stay and find it yourself. When
Speaker 2: the park ranger trol of sat, he said, thank you.
Speaker 2: We are home, back to whatever town that they were in.
Speaker 2: You didn't understand guys like that. They're not afraid of anything,
Speaker 2: deserts form Afghanistan. They've been through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: But he did. He he went home.
Speaker 1: M extremely interesting man, Brett. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: for hanging out with me tonight and and for sharing it.
Speaker 1: He really interesting. There's not many accounts where it's just
Speaker 1: this viewpoint of the creature that I've taken, So this
Speaker 1: is a very very interesting one. I'm glad you came
Speaker 1: on the show tonight to share what you experienced that day.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the opportunity. I've told this story a couple
Speaker 2: other times, and every time I tell it, I start
Speaker 2: to remember a couple of things. The question you had
Speaker 2: about the ears, I hadn't thought about that much, but
Speaker 2: I have a vivid memory in my mind what I
Speaker 2: saw and the feats, and so you joggle a couple
Speaker 2: of things in my mind. Jeremi that were details I
Speaker 2: hadn't thought of in a long time, not that I
Speaker 2: gossed over, just no one ever asked me, and I
Speaker 2: didn't have to think about it, right I am.
Speaker 1: Now there you go. Well, if anything else, you know,
Speaker 1: if you ever come across anything else out there, feel
Speaker 1: free to reach out Brett. But I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, great, thanks for the opportunity.
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