Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2: So Jimmy Carter was laid to rest today. The longest
Speaker 2: living president in the history of the country lived into
Speaker 2: his one hundredth year. Where his hundred and first year,
Speaker 2: I guess he lived past one hundred, So he was
Speaker 2: in his hundred and first year, and we watched today
Speaker 2: those of us who had the opportunity became a really
Speaker 2: national day of mourning. President Biden was there, as were
Speaker 2: the other living presidents, former President Trump soon to be
Speaker 2: once again President Trump, President George Bush forty three, President
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, President Barack Obama. Was interesting by the way
Speaker 2: that President Trump, who was seated next to President Barack Obama,
Speaker 2: they had a very animated contentation as they were waiting
Speaker 2: for the for the ceremony to begin. It was really
Speaker 2: quite interesting. I love to know what they were talking about. Uh.
Speaker 2: There wasn't much interaction between between Jill Biden and and
Speaker 2: Vice President Harris Doctor Jill Biden, I should say, but
Speaker 2: President Biden delivered in the eulogy. And then there were
Speaker 2: also some interesting aspects. Apparently Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford,
Speaker 2: who were the party's nominees in nineteen seventy six, when
Speaker 2: Ford had become president. He was never elected vice president
Speaker 2: or president, but became president, became vice president when Spiro
Speaker 2: Agnew resigned, and then became president when Richard Nixon resigned.
Speaker 2: They apparently bonded on a flight to the Middle East
Speaker 2: when Monoccam began and Whilest not signed the peace treaty
Speaker 2: which still exist today between Egypt and Israel. Uh, and
Speaker 2: they became you know, you know, former adversaries became great friends.
Speaker 2: And UH Steve Ford, president Ford's son, UH pointed out
Speaker 2: that apparently President Ford and President Carter had said that
Speaker 2: they each would be willing to deliver the eulogy at
Speaker 2: at one another's funeral, and obviously Gerald Ford died first,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter did deliver the eulogy, and so Gerald Ford's
Speaker 2: eulogy to Jimmy Carter was delivered in effect in absentia
Speaker 2: today posthumously by his son. So this was this was
Speaker 2: Steve Ford's tribute written by his father, President Gerald Ford
Speaker 2: about Jimmy Carter, and it was I thought it was
Speaker 2: pretty touching a lot of I want to share it
Speaker 2: a particularly case you missed it. Go ahead, Rob, that's
Speaker 2: Cut thirty one.
Speaker 3: The entire Ford family, we extend our love to you,
Speaker 3: and we add our prayers to the prayers of tens
Speaker 3: of millions of people around the world. May God bless
Speaker 3: and watch over this good man. May he grant peace
Speaker 3: to the Carter family. And they say goodbye to a
Speaker 3: man whose life.
Speaker 4: Was lived to the fullest, with the faith demonstrated and
Speaker 4: countless good works, with a mission richly fulfilled, and a
Speaker 4: soul rewarded with everlasting life.
Speaker 3: As for myself, Jimmy, I'm looking forward to our reunion.
Speaker 3: We had much to catch up on. Thank you, mister President.
Speaker 3: Welcome home, old friend.
Speaker 2: Pretty good again. Steve Ford reading the words that Gerald Ford,
Speaker 2: his dad had written in tribute to Jimmy Carter. One
Speaker 2: of the funniest moments was when Jimmy Carter's grandson, Jason Carter,
Speaker 2: talked about his grandfather and getting a cell phone. So
Speaker 2: here's a guy who was a nuclear engineer of some
Speaker 2: sort at the Naval Academy. But like many folks who
Speaker 2: got cell phones later in life, wasn't quite as fastial
Speaker 2: with that new contraption as mate you might have expected.
Speaker 2: Cut number twenty nine this is Jimmy Carter's grandson, Jason Carter.
Speaker 5: Funny story and demonstrating their Depression era roots. They had
Speaker 5: a little rack next to the sink where they would
Speaker 5: hang zip lock bags to dry, and demonstrating that they
Speaker 5: changed with the times. Eventually, he did get a cell phone,
Speaker 5: and he one time he called me sort of early
Speaker 5: on in that process, and on my phone it.
Speaker 6: Said popa mobile.
Speaker 2: So I answered it.
Speaker 5: Of course, I said, hey, Papa.
Speaker 6: He said, who's this. I said, this is Jason. He said,
Speaker 6: what are you doing. I said, I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1: You called me.
Speaker 6: He said, I didn't call you.
Speaker 5: I'm taking a picture that nuclear engineer, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess a lot of us can identify
Speaker 2: with that. So I have a lot of Jimmy Carter
Speaker 2: stories and I want to share them with you because
Speaker 2: there's no reason for me to share them at any
Speaker 2: other night. I hope that you will join the conversation
Speaker 2: as we as we go along. But I had the
Speaker 2: opportunity unity to meet Jimmy Carter when very few people
Speaker 2: in New England knew him. He was the governor of Georgia.
Speaker 2: We're talking. This is nineteen seventy five, September of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five, and I was fresh out of law school
Speaker 2: and I was working then in the office of the
Speaker 2: state Treasurer at Conwalth of Massachusetts, Robert Crane, who is
Speaker 2: a great guy and a great friend. And one day
Speaker 2: the Treasurer assigned me a task and he said, Dan,
Speaker 2: he said, there's a governor, some sort of a governor
Speaker 2: from the South who's coming around today looking for for
Speaker 2: us to endorse him for presidential. He's running for president.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see him. I'll be back in
Speaker 2: about an hour, but under no circumstances do I want
Speaker 2: to see him. So I sat there. I said, fine,
Speaker 2: no problem. And about five minutes after the Treasurer left,
Speaker 2: in what the then Lieutenant Governor of the Cormwealth of Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: Tom O'Neill, Tommy O'Neill, and Tommy and I were contemporaries.
Speaker 2: He came in. He said, Hey, Dan, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: He says, I one introducer to Governor Carter of Georgia.
Speaker 2: Now I knew Governor Carter's name in large part because
Speaker 2: he was there the night that Hank Aaron broke Babe
Speaker 2: Roots record, and he had his seven hundred and fifteenth
Speaker 2: home run, eclipsing the bambinos all time home run record
Speaker 2: of seven hundred and fourteen. So I explained to the
Speaker 2: then the Lieutenant Governor, we were both two pretty young guys.
Speaker 2: I said, well, well, the governor, which is the proper
Speaker 2: appellation for the lieutenant governor? I said, A treasure's gone
Speaker 2: for a while, and Jimmy Carter piped up. He said,
Speaker 2: I'll be happy to wait. I'll be happy to wait.
Speaker 2: Couldn't have been nicer. At that point, Tommy O'Neil turned
Speaker 2: and looked at me. He's all yours. Literally said, he's
Speaker 2: all yours. Gave him a pat of the back, and
Speaker 2: he left the office. So I invited him into the
Speaker 2: Big office and sat in front of Jimmy Carter for
Speaker 2: an hour waiting for Bob Crane to return. And I'm
Speaker 2: sitting at Crane's desk, which is a very impressive Statehouse desk,
Speaker 2: looking out over the archway, and I talked to Jimmy
Speaker 2: Carter about peanuts, and I talked to him about his
Speaker 2: roots as a farmer. I talked to him about planes,
Speaker 2: everything I could think about, and Jimmy Carter could not
Speaker 2: have been nicer. And we sat there for about an hour.
Speaker 2: I talked with him about seeing him on TV the
Speaker 2: night that Babe Ruth, or rather that Babe Root's home
Speaker 2: run record had been broken by Hank Aaron, and those
Speaker 2: who might remember that that evening, that was a huge
Speaker 2: story if you were a baseball fan at the time.
Speaker 2: A former Yankee pitcher who was pitching for the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: Al Downing was the guy that through the pitch that
Speaker 2: Aaron hit for number seven fifteen down in the Atlanta
Speaker 2: Bravesed Ballpark. I forget what it was even called at
Speaker 2: the time. It's a ballpark that has now long been
Speaker 2: consigned to the dust bin of history. So finally, finally,
Speaker 2: after about an hour, almost finished talking and running out
Speaker 2: of things to talk about with Jimmy Carter, and asked
Speaker 2: him about the campaign. He was about one percent of
Speaker 2: the polls at the time, to be very honest with you,
Speaker 2: and there are a whole bunch of Democrats who are
Speaker 2: running for that nomination, and this was about a year
Speaker 2: after Watergate, and he didn't have much of he was
Speaker 2: not considered a favorite. So all of a sudden, I noticed,
Speaker 2: as I'm looking at Carter out at the corner of
Speaker 2: my eye that I see on the other side of
Speaker 2: the room. The door's opening, and it's the State Treasurer,
Speaker 2: Bob Crane walking in the door. He sees the back
Speaker 2: of Carter. He knows exactly that that's the guy that
Speaker 2: he wants not doesn't want to talk to him. He
Speaker 2: looks at me, points at me, and has a look
Speaker 2: of you know, no way, and he put a couple
Speaker 2: of other words as he's basically indicating no way. If
Speaker 2: you get my drift, he starts the back out of
Speaker 2: the office. Well, I had no choice. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to sit there for six hours, so I said, Governor,
Speaker 2: Luca's here, And of course Bob Crane's countenance went from
Speaker 2: waving his arms off no way into a big wave
Speaker 2: of Hello, Hi, Governor. Nice, nice to meet you. I
Speaker 2: introduced him. I think he knows who he was, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. He sat inside. I'll leave you two alone.
Speaker 2: He emerged from the office with his arm around Carter's
Speaker 2: shoulder about two minutes later and a big smile on
Speaker 2: his face, A bigger smile on Carter's face. I'm with you,
Speaker 2: Governor all the way. You have my endorsement, and Carter
Speaker 2: is just thrilled. He's looking at him and he's smiling.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how much this means to me.
Speaker 2: Treasure of Crane and call me Bob and all of that.
Speaker 2: And he's shuffling, pushing him out the door. And that
Speaker 2: was the last I saw Jimmy Carter for a long time.
Speaker 2: The next day, Jimmy Carter dropped a very personalized note
Speaker 2: to the Treasurer, saying, oh, for so much, appreciate your endorsement.
Speaker 2: I presented it to the treasure and he said, I
Speaker 2: don't want that thing. He says, you can keep that note,
Speaker 2: but that's not worth anything. When Jimmy Carter was inaugurated
Speaker 2: on January twentieth, nineteen seventy seven, or shortly before then.
Speaker 2: At that point, I was working in television and was
Speaker 2: actually on my way to Wiesbaden, West Germany for the
Speaker 2: release of the hostages. I was assigned to cover the inauguration,
Speaker 2: but I got devoted to Washington. I had given Bob
Speaker 2: Crane the note, and I said, maybe this will turn
Speaker 2: be a little bit more valuable. And he accepted note
Speaker 2: freak gracefully. And we laughed about that many times. But
Speaker 2: I mean, he could have said to Jimmy Carter at
Speaker 2: that point, if you ever get elected president, from my endorsement,
Speaker 2: I want to become the ambassador to Ireland. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure that Jimmy Carter would have said, you have that
Speaker 2: job if you want it. Anyway, that's my first meeting
Speaker 2: with Carter. When we get back for the break, I
Speaker 2: could share a couple of more stories, but in the
Speaker 2: meantime I happened to believe that many of you might
Speaker 2: have met him or might have had an impression of him.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that I voted for Jimmy Carter
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six because I felt Gerald Ford should
Speaker 2: not have pardoned Richard Nixon. I think in retrospect Ford
Speaker 2: was right and I was wrong that Ford in pardoning
Speaker 2: Nixon probably cost himself the election, but did the right
Speaker 2: thing for the nation, and that was finally kind of
Speaker 2: healed the wounds of Watergate and moved on. Now, some
Speaker 2: of my friends will still disagree with me on that,
Speaker 2: but I did vote for Jimmy Carter, and I liked
Speaker 2: him a lot, and I had some very interesting meetings
Speaker 2: with him on the campaign trail. We can talk about those,
Speaker 2: but i'd love you to join the conversation six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: If you watched the funeral, the funeral today at the
Speaker 2: National Cathedral or any of the follow on coverage, let
Speaker 2: to know what your reaction is that the legacy of
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter. His legacy is his post presidential career as
Speaker 2: a statesman, as a humanitarian, as someone who made the
Speaker 2: most of the time that he had uh after his presidency.
Speaker 2: I don't think there will be another president in our
Speaker 2: lifetimes who will have that amount of time and who
Speaker 2: will do so much good. I mean, I think that
Speaker 2: all of them, in their own right maintain a status,
Speaker 2: whether it's Bill Clinton, George Bush, or President former President Obama.
Speaker 2: But I don't see any of them doing the type
Speaker 2: of work that Jimmy Carter did. There's just no way
Speaker 2: that anyone could ever do all the work, the post
Speaker 2: presidential work that Jimmy Carter did. And we will talk
Speaker 2: about that, and I think it's significant. We'll be back
Speaker 2: on Night Side. You have the numbers. Feel free to
Speaker 2: join the conversation back right after this.
Speaker 1: If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we will continue here. I guess some phone
Speaker 2: calls I want to hear people say, I'm gonna I
Speaker 2: will work my stories in along with callers. But let
Speaker 2: me go next to Noe L in New Hampshire. No, Well,
Speaker 2: welcome back.
Speaker 7: How are you good, Dan?
Speaker 2: How are you good? I would not be a bit
Speaker 2: surprised if you, at some point had had across paths
Speaker 2: with Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 8: I will give President Carter full credit for everything he
Speaker 8: accomplished in his life after his presidency, but I'd like
Speaker 8: to know what your opinion is of him. I know
Speaker 8: that you interviewed him many many times. Yes, what your
Speaker 8: feelings are about him being such a massive anti semi?
Speaker 2: I never detected that, To be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: I find that difficult to believe. I listened to Stuart Eisenstadt,
Speaker 2: who was his chief economic advisor today, who delivered a
Speaker 2: tribute at the National Cathedral. Since that happened to be Jewish,
Speaker 2: happens to be Jewish, and he talked.
Speaker 8: I was very surprised by that because and I'm not Jewish,
Speaker 8: I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I absolutely support the
Speaker 8: state of Israel. But I mean the fact that he
Speaker 8: wanted to forbid you from living outside. You know, the
Speaker 8: pre sixty seven borders, the fact that when he planned
Speaker 8: the US Holocaust Museum, which quite frankly most of the
Speaker 8: people that planned that were survivors of the Holocaust, he
Speaker 8: probably stated there were too many Jews involved.
Speaker 2: I mean, ye, Joel, I know. Well, let me just say,
Speaker 2: I know you are a very close observer, and I
Speaker 2: would never dispute anything that you would present to me.
Speaker 2: And I say that I hope you know. I say
Speaker 2: that you're honestly, but I have never seen any of
Speaker 2: that or heard any of that. I don't know what
Speaker 2: your sources are on that, but I just, honest to God,
Speaker 2: this is all news to me. He's a Southern Baptan. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I never have I never have heard any of this. Again,
Speaker 2: not trying to challenge you, but are these in books
Speaker 2: of biographies that you've read, or are these absolutely?
Speaker 8: Absolutely? I mean, he didn't want Jews who wanted to
Speaker 8: leave the USSR to emigrate. I mean there's books and
Speaker 8: books and articles and articles other than I mean, I
Speaker 8: don't know.
Speaker 2: I can tell you, yes, I'll tell you this. I
Speaker 2: spent the better part of an evening interviewing Natan Sharansky,
Speaker 2: who was one of the best known Soviet dissidents who
Speaker 2: emigrated from the Soviet Union to Israel and actually ended
Speaker 2: up serving at Knesset. I interviewed him, Oh, it's got
Speaker 2: to be five or six years ago at the Edward M.
Speaker 2: Kennedy Institute for the Senate, and I can only there's
Speaker 2: no reason he would have brought anything like that up.
Speaker 2: But I know that he emigrated. I believe he immigrated
Speaker 2: shortly after I believe he immigrated in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 2: once some of the Refuseniks were allowed to leave. I
Speaker 2: know that that Carter was born again I think Southern Baptist.
Speaker 2: I've never heard any of this. I really haven't. Then,
Speaker 2: as they say again.
Speaker 8: I mean his Middle East advisor, who was there until
Speaker 8: christ I think his name is Professor Steine, basically said
Speaker 8: that Carter blamed the Jews for losing the presidency to Reagan.
Speaker 8: You really need to I know that you're very well
Speaker 8: informed on pretty much everything, and I respect you immantally. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I would love for you to research that.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. If you want to send me
Speaker 2: a couple of things to look at, I would be happy.
Speaker 2: But I got to tell you my my my visceral instinct,
Speaker 2: and if I was sitting with you having dinner, I
Speaker 2: would I would be as honest with you as I
Speaker 2: am being right now. Normally some of the stuff you
Speaker 2: hear and you say, oh yeah, I heard that, but
Speaker 2: it came from someone I've never heard this, Okay, I
Speaker 2: really have never heard this stuff. It is astonishing to me.
Speaker 2: This was a guy who negotiated the peace between Saddat
Speaker 2: and Monoca.
Speaker 8: Began exactly and that's the only thing he did that
Speaker 8: was good in his prelacy.
Speaker 2: In mind, well, putting aside that saying is I kind
Speaker 2: of imagined that Monoca began you know who who was
Speaker 2: a Zionist would have allowed uh want to be the
Speaker 2: same rule with somebody who who you characterize as an
Speaker 2: anti semi. I just you know, again, send me some
Speaker 2: stuff on it and I'll be happy to look at it.
Speaker 2: But I I've got nothing on that.
Speaker 8: I really don't I would love to send you an
Speaker 8: email if you could have your producer give me your
Speaker 8: email offline and.
Speaker 2: Give me some sites or whatever. I mean, is there
Speaker 2: anybody that any author that you want to cite for me?
Speaker 2: That that wrote a book that said Jimmy Carter was
Speaker 2: an anti semi.
Speaker 8: I would look at god. What's his name? Battling for
Speaker 8: Peace by Shimon Correz was one of them.
Speaker 2: So Shimon Perez thought Jimmy Carter was an anti semi. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: first I've.
Speaker 8: Heard of that, well, Professor Kenneth Stein.
Speaker 7: Okay, an article on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know who he is, A professor, Yeah, do
Speaker 2: me a favorite. Rob will give you my direct email address. Rob,
Speaker 2: give Noel my phone number, my email he'll addressing. I'm
Speaker 2: be happy to look at it.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, great.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Noell. Hang on there, Okay, let me keep
Speaker 2: rolling here. Steve is up in Maine. Steve, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 7: How are you, hey, Dan, I'm not in Nane right now.
Speaker 7: I am in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know who this is long hauled riber. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know that, Steve. Yeah, absolutely well.
Speaker 7: I told you in postgame early this morning that we
Speaker 7: don't like to see you disappointed. You know, not every
Speaker 7: show is a plus plus in your opinion, and you
Speaker 7: were a little disappointed, and I don't like to see
Speaker 7: you get down like that. So I said Dan, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna call in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. We'd love to hear a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of the listeners. I want to hear
Speaker 2: from you because some of you have have things to contribute.
Speaker 2: That that's you know, As I say, I could sit
Speaker 2: here and tell Jimmy Cards stories all night, but it'll
Speaker 2: be a pretty boring show. So uh. Even though even
Speaker 2: Noel's call, which kind of caught me by surprise because
Speaker 2: I've I've never known that to be true, But gohead,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind? You ever bump into Jimmy Carter?
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I was a freshman in high school
Speaker 10: and he was inaugurated, so I can't tell you why
Speaker 10: I had to have to go back and look at
Speaker 10: his policies and everything, but.
Speaker 7: I considered him a weak president, and when President Reagan
Speaker 7: came in after him, it was like night and day.
Speaker 7: He saw a strong leader in Reagan, and I saw
Speaker 7: a lot of weakness in Jimmy Cotta. With that said,
Speaker 7: what nic Cole said about him being anti Semitic, I
Speaker 7: would think that would be out of President Carter's character
Speaker 7: because he was a Southern Baptist, born again Christian and
Speaker 7: that just you know, that's like who we worshiped God.
Speaker 7: That God's the lover of the Jews, that's his chosen people.
Speaker 7: And why would a Christian be against that? You know,
Speaker 7: I can't see that. So what she sends you, I
Speaker 7: would be very interested in myself to google it and
Speaker 7: find out, because I find that hot to swallow myself too.
Speaker 2: So I just it's it's it's out of the blue, okay, yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: And I just you know, I I wish I had
Speaker 2: the ability right now to to to scrub the Internet.
Speaker 2: I just don't. You don't know.
Speaker 9: Your time is pressure.
Speaker 2: So now let me ask you you did you grow
Speaker 2: up in Maine or did you grow up in New Hampshire.
Speaker 7: I grew up in a small town. I told you,
Speaker 7: next town from Tangley, Gary Tangley from Mexico, and I'm
Speaker 7: from Dicksfield. That two towns side by side, and the
Speaker 7: third town is Rumford.
Speaker 2: Familiar with that area. Again, I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of people in New England. You know, Jimmy Carter uh
Speaker 2: broke through in the Iowa caucus in January of two
Speaker 2: thousand of nineteen seventy seven, seventy six, excuse me, and
Speaker 2: then he doubled up and did very well in the
Speaker 2: New Hampshire primary, and that became the new way to
Speaker 2: win the nomination. He came from out of nowhere. I mean,
Speaker 2: his ratings were, you know, in the single digits, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, this guy wins the Iowa caucus
Speaker 2: brilliant strategy and then goes to New Hampshire with that
Speaker 2: momentum wins the New Hampshire primary. I got probably the
Speaker 2: next time that I interviewed him was after he was
Speaker 2: the nominee. I was in New Hampshire in Manchester on
Speaker 2: Elm Street and they had a big rally for Jimmy
Speaker 2: Carter in New Hampshire in nineteen seventy six, and his
Speaker 2: press secretary's guy named Jody Powell, who I got to
Speaker 2: know a little bit, and I said, look, you got
Speaker 2: five minutes for an interview. He said, sure, I'll bring
Speaker 2: him over. So, I mean, this is a different time.
Speaker 2: So I'm standing there with my camera crew and the
Speaker 2: rallies over and then Governor Carter, candidate Carter had shaken
Speaker 2: a few hands and came right over. Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2: How are you nice to meet you? I reminded him
Speaker 2: previous meeting, Oh I remember that. And we had a
Speaker 2: lovely interview, and I did my story for WBZ that night,
Speaker 2: and at that point I had become a television reporter
Speaker 2: with WBZ and it was the first Carter was the
Speaker 2: first nominated presidential candidate that I had a chance to interview,
Speaker 2: and it was pretty cool. And we had many interviews
Speaker 2: over the years, and I'll go through some of them
Speaker 2: as the evening goes on, including including interviewing him Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember when he came to Clinton,
Speaker 2: Massachusetts in March of nineteen seventy seven and he stayed
Speaker 2: at the home of Gunner Thompson. I got a eat
Speaker 2: story about that that night up there. But go ahead,
Speaker 2: I interrupted you, so do you.
Speaker 7: Keep no, no, no, no no. I just you know, I
Speaker 7: know you love to talk like me, but I I
Speaker 7: wanted you to get to some other calls. But your
Speaker 7: stories about Jimmy Carter will be fascinating and I will
Speaker 7: enjoy listening to him.
Speaker 2: Where are you driving? Are you working tonight?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I'm in New Jersey right now and I will be
Speaker 7: going to chick or Pea and then I'll be heading
Speaker 7: back to Lewister, Maine. So I still got another six
Speaker 7: hours ahead of me.
Speaker 2: So you you arrived back back in Maine by dawn's
Speaker 2: early light, and hopefully you're going to have to work tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Do you got to turn around and work again tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Actually I go in Friday night, so it's my three
Speaker 7: trip week. I go on Monday, Wednesday, Friday night, stay
Speaker 7: in Pennsylvania at the hotel, go out that night, come
Speaker 7: back home to Maine, sleep and head back out next
Speaker 7: week would be my two trip week. I head out
Speaker 7: Tuesday Thursday, so it rotates. It's a great schedule anyway.
Speaker 7: So one last thing, Dan, I just I want to know,
Speaker 7: please what you liked about Jimmy Cotter and his presidency, because,
Speaker 7: like I said, I was young, you were much more mature.
Speaker 7: So I would love to hear your stories of him
Speaker 7: being a president that you liked and some more Jimmy
Speaker 7: Cotter stories. And I'll get off the phone and let
Speaker 7: some other calls come out to thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. You'd be safe tonight. And for those who
Speaker 2: don't know, Steve as a long hauled truck driver and
Speaker 2: they are the backbone of the country. Everything that we
Speaker 2: go and buy in a store, whether it's a pharmacy,
Speaker 2: or rug a drug store, a pharmacy, a supermarket, clothing store,
Speaker 2: record store, whatever, sports store. All that stuff has been
Speaker 2: brought in by a trucker like Steve. So these are
Speaker 2: they are the backbone of this country.
Speaker 7: In my opinion, America runs on truck driving.
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, thanks d B. Well talked right, good night.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take quick break here back with more phone calls.
Speaker 2: The only lines that are open at the six one
Speaker 2: seven nine. I'm going to keep inter weaving phone calls
Speaker 2: with my stories about Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: What I liked about Carter was I think that he
Speaker 2: was a breath of fresh air. I don't think that
Speaker 2: he had a successful presidency. I think it was the
Speaker 2: victim of circumstances when he took office. Watergate had ended,
Speaker 2: Vietnam War had ended, we were down as a nation.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, there was the oil embargo. OPEC
Speaker 2: nations felt they could now basically hold the United States hostage,
Speaker 2: which they did. I remember long gas lines. I remember
Speaker 2: his so called malaise speech in the summer of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight, when I think I really thought at that
Speaker 2: point he would become a one term president. But I
Speaker 2: think he tried his best. He had that hostage rescue
Speaker 2: probably which failed. His great success was the peace treaty,
Speaker 2: which is to this day held in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: And you have no idea if that peace treaty had
Speaker 2: not been signed, if this world might have ended up
Speaker 2: in a nuclear war as a result. So that would
Speaker 2: be what I would consider to be his greatest achievement.
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside, more phone calls right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Just quickly to back up some of the things that
Speaker 2: Noel said. Apparently, Jimmy Carter did write a book in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six entitled Palestine Peace Not Apartheid, And
Speaker 2: in the books some believed that he compared Israel's treatment
Speaker 2: of Arabs in the West Bank to a South Africa
Speaker 2: system of racial apartheid, which of course ended in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four, and that there were some who felt that
Speaker 2: his criticism was the equivalent of anti Semitism. I think
Speaker 2: that as his status as a former president, as a diplomat,
Speaker 2: he had a right to make comments like that. I
Speaker 2: would disagree with that comment, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: but I don't would can I do not consider it
Speaker 2: to be anti Semitic, But I then am also not Jewish. However,
Speaker 2: my friend Jack and Newton is Jack you and next
Speaker 2: on NIGHTSID welcome?
Speaker 9: Yeah, and Jack Porter. I'll call it in response to Noel,
Speaker 9: And it was regarding that book, which was a poor
Speaker 9: probably poor choice, you know, for a word apartheid. But
Speaker 9: I think what he will trying to do is get
Speaker 9: a conversation and a discussion going about Palestinian rights or
Speaker 9: Tallestinian state, which has this common discussion today now anyway, Yes, nothing,
Speaker 9: but I would say to Noel, you know he was
Speaker 9: no anti Semite, and in fact he brought peace with
Speaker 9: between Israel and Egypt lasted years. Yep, you know he was,
Speaker 9: and he was a very good, a good evangelical Christian.
Speaker 9: There's nothing wrong with that. I'm Jewish, I fat, there's
Speaker 9: nothing wrong with him being a religious Christian. I don't
Speaker 9: know why that bothers some people.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that bothered Noel. I think Noel
Speaker 2: felt genuinely that that he had made make comments that
Speaker 2: she or others felt had been anti Semitic. But what
Speaker 2: what happens is when you're as you know, Jack, when
Speaker 2: when you write a lot, and you write a lot
Speaker 2: when you write books, there there can be people who
Speaker 2: characterize what you write in different ways. I tend to
Speaker 2: agree with you, but there may be other things that
Speaker 2: Noel is going to direct me to. I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to I'm a at this time of the night, I'm
Speaker 2: broadcasting alone. Uh, and so I don't have a producer
Speaker 2: who can pull, you know, quotes for me. But that
Speaker 2: that's one that I did find where there was some
Speaker 2: criticism directed at him because of the comments that he made.
Speaker 2: And again I think that he was a East broker
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and obviously he could not say
Speaker 2: that a La saidat you, Egyptians are totally wrong and
Speaker 2: the Israelis are a thousand percent right, Saddad would have
Speaker 2: walked away. He had to somehow broke a deal between
Speaker 2: the two of them where there was something on the table.
Speaker 2: I assume for both sides.
Speaker 9: Oh, I think Noel should creed up on that, just
Speaker 9: real quickly. Were you at in nineteen seventy six in
Speaker 9: New York at the Democratic Convention where it was I
Speaker 9: was there and it was my first time. I was
Speaker 9: a journalist for the Jewish advocate on the Derney Hyad
Speaker 9: and it was my first one and it was fantastic.
Speaker 9: I met a lot of famous people from Hollywood. Even
Speaker 9: Paul Newman was there, Warren Batty, Lauren Prikal, the famous
Speaker 9: football players. It was really quite an exciting thing for
Speaker 9: the journalist.
Speaker 2: Did you ever gets to meet Carter?
Speaker 9: No, I just saw him from the Yeah. It was
Speaker 9: just different Dan. Security wise and other things.
Speaker 2: It was very different. It was very very different back then. Jack,
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. Hey Jack, I'm flat up
Speaker 2: against my time. I owe you sometimes more than the
Speaker 2: next time you call. But thank you for your carl
Speaker 2: tonight is very important. I appreciate it. Okay, thank you
Speaker 2: talk so well, take a break. If you want to
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Speaker 2: talk about Jimmy Carter. I have some more Jimmy Carter
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