WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:03.640 Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:06.879 night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio. 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:11.919 So Jimmy Carter was laid to rest today. The longest 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:16.600 living president in the history of the country lived into 5 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.239 his one hundredth year. Where his hundred and first year, 6 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:22.359 I guess he lived past one hundred, So he was 7 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:26.519 in his hundred and first year, and we watched today 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.559 those of us who had the opportunity became a really 9 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:35.280 national day of mourning. President Biden was there, as were 10 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:40.479 the other living presidents, former President Trump soon to be 11 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:47.159 once again President Trump, President George Bush forty three, President 12 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.159 Bill Clinton, President Barack Obama. Was interesting by the way 13 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:56.359 that President Trump, who was seated next to President Barack Obama, 14 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:02.079 they had a very animated contentation as they were waiting 15 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:06.560 for the for the ceremony to begin. It was really 16 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.120 quite interesting. I love to know what they were talking about. Uh. 17 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:16.000 There wasn't much interaction between between Jill Biden and and 18 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:20.000 Vice President Harris Doctor Jill Biden, I should say, but 19 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.079 President Biden delivered in the eulogy. And then there were 20 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:33.079 also some interesting aspects. Apparently Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford, 21 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:38.359 who were the party's nominees in nineteen seventy six, when 22 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.519 Ford had become president. He was never elected vice president 23 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:48.040 or president, but became president, became vice president when Spiro 24 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.239 Agnew resigned, and then became president when Richard Nixon resigned. 25 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:58.200 They apparently bonded on a flight to the Middle East 26 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:03.799 when Monoccam began and Whilest not signed the peace treaty 27 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:08.120 which still exist today between Egypt and Israel. Uh, and 28 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.879 they became you know, you know, former adversaries became great friends. 29 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:20.159 And UH Steve Ford, president Ford's son, UH pointed out 30 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:26.159 that apparently President Ford and President Carter had said that 31 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:30.280 they each would be willing to deliver the eulogy at 32 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:35.159 at one another's funeral, and obviously Gerald Ford died first, 33 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:40.280 Jimmy Carter did deliver the eulogy, and so Gerald Ford's 34 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.520 eulogy to Jimmy Carter was delivered in effect in absentia 35 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.520 today posthumously by his son. So this was this was 36 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:55.280 Steve Ford's tribute written by his father, President Gerald Ford 37 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:59.000 about Jimmy Carter, and it was I thought it was 38 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:00.719 pretty touching a lot of I want to share it 39 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.599 a particularly case you missed it. Go ahead, Rob, that's 40 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:03.360 Cut thirty one. 41 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.879 The entire Ford family, we extend our love to you, 42 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:14.199 and we add our prayers to the prayers of tens 43 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:20.199 of millions of people around the world. May God bless 44 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:25.840 and watch over this good man. May he grant peace 45 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.639 to the Carter family. And they say goodbye to a 46 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:30.960 man whose life. 47 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:37.560 Was lived to the fullest, with the faith demonstrated and 48 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:43.400 countless good works, with a mission richly fulfilled, and a 49 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:50.000 soul rewarded with everlasting life. 50 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:56.840 As for myself, Jimmy, I'm looking forward to our reunion. 51 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:03.280 We had much to catch up on. Thank you, mister President. 52 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:07.960 Welcome home, old friend. 53 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:13.639 Pretty good again. Steve Ford reading the words that Gerald Ford, 54 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.399 his dad had written in tribute to Jimmy Carter. One 55 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:23.759 of the funniest moments was when Jimmy Carter's grandson, Jason Carter, 56 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.920 talked about his grandfather and getting a cell phone. So 57 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.959 here's a guy who was a nuclear engineer of some 58 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.399 sort at the Naval Academy. But like many folks who 59 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.959 got cell phones later in life, wasn't quite as fastial 60 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:44.720 with that new contraption as mate you might have expected. 61 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.959 Cut number twenty nine this is Jimmy Carter's grandson, Jason Carter. 62 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.759 Funny story and demonstrating their Depression era roots. They had 63 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.879 a little rack next to the sink where they would 64 00:04:54.920 --> 00:05:03.199 hang zip lock bags to dry, and demonstrating that they 65 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.920 changed with the times. Eventually, he did get a cell phone, 66 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.199 and he one time he called me sort of early 67 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.639 on in that process, and on my phone it. 68 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:11.720 Said popa mobile. 69 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:13.360 So I answered it. 70 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:14.560 Of course, I said, hey, Papa. 71 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:22.920 He said, who's this. I said, this is Jason. He said, 72 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.680 what are you doing. I said, I'm not doing anything. 73 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:26.240 You called me. 74 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:28.199 He said, I didn't call you. 75 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:36.319 I'm taking a picture that nuclear engineer, right. 76 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:41.959 I mean, I guess a lot of us can identify 77 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.160 with that. So I have a lot of Jimmy Carter 78 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.959 stories and I want to share them with you because 79 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.920 there's no reason for me to share them at any 80 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.600 other night. I hope that you will join the conversation 81 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.639 as we as we go along. But I had the 82 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:04.079 opportunity unity to meet Jimmy Carter when very few people 83 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:09.519 in New England knew him. He was the governor of Georgia. 84 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:16.399 We're talking. This is nineteen seventy five, September of nineteen 85 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.480 seventy five, and I was fresh out of law school 86 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.240 and I was working then in the office of the 87 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.079 state Treasurer at Conwalth of Massachusetts, Robert Crane, who is 88 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.439 a great guy and a great friend. And one day 89 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.920 the Treasurer assigned me a task and he said, Dan, 90 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.360 he said, there's a governor, some sort of a governor 91 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.879 from the South who's coming around today looking for for 92 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.879 us to endorse him for presidential. He's running for president. 93 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.480 I don't want to see him. I'll be back in 94 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.439 about an hour, but under no circumstances do I want 95 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.519 to see him. So I sat there. I said, fine, 96 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.959 no problem. And about five minutes after the Treasurer left, 97 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.759 in what the then Lieutenant Governor of the Cormwealth of Massachusetts, 98 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.680 Tom O'Neill, Tommy O'Neill, and Tommy and I were contemporaries. 99 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:10.759 He came in. He said, Hey, Dan, how are you doing? 100 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.079 He says, I one introducer to Governor Carter of Georgia. 101 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:18.360 Now I knew Governor Carter's name in large part because 102 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:20.720 he was there the night that Hank Aaron broke Babe 103 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.959 Roots record, and he had his seven hundred and fifteenth 104 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.680 home run, eclipsing the bambinos all time home run record 105 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:31.560 of seven hundred and fourteen. So I explained to the 106 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.279 then the Lieutenant Governor, we were both two pretty young guys. 107 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.680 I said, well, well, the governor, which is the proper 108 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.519 appellation for the lieutenant governor? I said, A treasure's gone 109 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.680 for a while, and Jimmy Carter piped up. He said, 110 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.160 I'll be happy to wait. I'll be happy to wait. 111 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.040 Couldn't have been nicer. At that point, Tommy O'Neil turned 112 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.319 and looked at me. He's all yours. Literally said, he's 113 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.360 all yours. Gave him a pat of the back, and 114 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.600 he left the office. So I invited him into the 115 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.519 Big office and sat in front of Jimmy Carter for 116 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:04.040 an hour waiting for Bob Crane to return. And I'm 117 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:08.319 sitting at Crane's desk, which is a very impressive Statehouse desk, 118 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:11.240 looking out over the archway, and I talked to Jimmy 119 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.959 Carter about peanuts, and I talked to him about his 120 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.120 roots as a farmer. I talked to him about planes, 121 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.000 everything I could think about, and Jimmy Carter could not 122 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.000 have been nicer. And we sat there for about an hour. 123 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.319 I talked with him about seeing him on TV the 124 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.879 night that Babe Ruth, or rather that Babe Root's home 125 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:29.000 run record had been broken by Hank Aaron, and those 126 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.799 who might remember that that evening, that was a huge 127 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.200 story if you were a baseball fan at the time. 128 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.080 A former Yankee pitcher who was pitching for the Dodgers, 129 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.960 Al Downing was the guy that through the pitch that 130 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:47.759 Aaron hit for number seven fifteen down in the Atlanta 131 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.240 Bravesed Ballpark. I forget what it was even called at 132 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.840 the time. It's a ballpark that has now long been 133 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.399 consigned to the dust bin of history. So finally, finally, 134 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.240 after about an hour, almost finished talking and running out 135 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.159 of things to talk about with Jimmy Carter, and asked 136 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.240 him about the campaign. He was about one percent of 137 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.440 the polls at the time, to be very honest with you, 138 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:11.960 and there are a whole bunch of Democrats who are 139 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:15.679 running for that nomination, and this was about a year 140 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:19.799 after Watergate, and he didn't have much of he was 141 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.480 not considered a favorite. So all of a sudden, I noticed, 142 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:25.679 as I'm looking at Carter out at the corner of 143 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:27.120 my eye that I see on the other side of 144 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.840 the room. The door's opening, and it's the State Treasurer, 145 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.120 Bob Crane walking in the door. He sees the back 146 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.720 of Carter. He knows exactly that that's the guy that 147 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.159 he wants not doesn't want to talk to him. He 148 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.120 looks at me, points at me, and has a look 149 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:47.519 of you know, no way, and he put a couple 150 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:52.360 of other words as he's basically indicating no way. If 151 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.639 you get my drift, he starts the back out of 152 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.080 the office. Well, I had no choice. I mean, I'm 153 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.240 not going to sit there for six hours, so I said, Governor, 154 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.600 Luca's here, And of course Bob Crane's countenance went from 155 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.840 waving his arms off no way into a big wave 156 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:12.279 of Hello, Hi, Governor. Nice, nice to meet you. I 157 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.080 introduced him. I think he knows who he was, but 158 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.720 I'm not sure. He sat inside. I'll leave you two alone. 159 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.679 He emerged from the office with his arm around Carter's 160 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:27.159 shoulder about two minutes later and a big smile on 161 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.679 his face, A bigger smile on Carter's face. I'm with you, 162 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:34.759 Governor all the way. You have my endorsement, and Carter 163 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.120 is just thrilled. He's looking at him and he's smiling. 164 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:40.480 I can't tell you how much this means to me. 165 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.440 Treasure of Crane and call me Bob and all of that. 166 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.440 And he's shuffling, pushing him out the door. And that 167 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.720 was the last I saw Jimmy Carter for a long time. 168 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.720 The next day, Jimmy Carter dropped a very personalized note 169 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.080 to the Treasurer, saying, oh, for so much, appreciate your endorsement. 170 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.519 I presented it to the treasure and he said, I 171 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.360 don't want that thing. He says, you can keep that note, 172 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.240 but that's not worth anything. When Jimmy Carter was inaugurated 173 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.720 on January twentieth, nineteen seventy seven, or shortly before then. 174 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:10.759 At that point, I was working in television and was 175 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:15.120 actually on my way to Wiesbaden, West Germany for the 176 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.240 release of the hostages. I was assigned to cover the inauguration, 177 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.840 but I got devoted to Washington. I had given Bob 178 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.799 Crane the note, and I said, maybe this will turn 179 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:26.840 be a little bit more valuable. And he accepted note 180 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.279 freak gracefully. And we laughed about that many times. But 181 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.279 I mean, he could have said to Jimmy Carter at 182 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.080 that point, if you ever get elected president, from my endorsement, 183 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.279 I want to become the ambassador to Ireland. And I'm 184 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.200 sure that Jimmy Carter would have said, you have that 185 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:44.120 job if you want it. Anyway, that's my first meeting 186 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:46.600 with Carter. When we get back for the break, I 187 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.159 could share a couple of more stories, but in the 188 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.320 meantime I happened to believe that many of you might 189 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.399 have met him or might have had an impression of him. 190 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:56.440 I will tell you that I voted for Jimmy Carter 191 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.679 in nineteen seventy six because I felt Gerald Ford should 192 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.840 not have pardoned Richard Nixon. I think in retrospect Ford 193 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.000 was right and I was wrong that Ford in pardoning 194 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.200 Nixon probably cost himself the election, but did the right 195 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.240 thing for the nation, and that was finally kind of 196 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.200 healed the wounds of Watergate and moved on. Now, some 197 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.600 of my friends will still disagree with me on that, 198 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:19.639 but I did vote for Jimmy Carter, and I liked 199 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:24.960 him a lot, and I had some very interesting meetings 200 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.360 with him on the campaign trail. We can talk about those, 201 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.759 but i'd love you to join the conversation six one, seven, two, five, four, 202 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.600 ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. 203 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.639 If you watched the funeral, the funeral today at the 204 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.039 National Cathedral or any of the follow on coverage, let 205 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.240 to know what your reaction is that the legacy of 206 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:49.879 Jimmy Carter. His legacy is his post presidential career as 207 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:54.159 a statesman, as a humanitarian, as someone who made the 208 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:59.440 most of the time that he had uh after his presidency. 209 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:02.799 I don't think there will be another president in our 210 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.720 lifetimes who will have that amount of time and who 211 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.360 will do so much good. I mean, I think that 212 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:12.240 all of them, in their own right maintain a status, 213 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:16.559 whether it's Bill Clinton, George Bush, or President former President Obama. 214 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.039 But I don't see any of them doing the type 215 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.480 of work that Jimmy Carter did. There's just no way 216 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:27.399 that anyone could ever do all the work, the post 217 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.600 presidential work that Jimmy Carter did. And we will talk 218 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:31.799 about that, and I think it's significant. We'll be back 219 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.600 on Night Side. You have the numbers. Feel free to 220 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:35.440 join the conversation back right after this. 221 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.120 If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w 222 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.159 Boston's news radio. 223 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.000 All right, we will continue here. I guess some phone 224 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.159 calls I want to hear people say, I'm gonna I 225 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:55.000 will work my stories in along with callers. But let 226 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.519 me go next to Noe L in New Hampshire. No, Well, 227 00:13:58.679 --> 00:13:59.320 welcome back. 228 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.320 How are you good, Dan? 229 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.039 How are you good? I would not be a bit 230 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.600 surprised if you, at some point had had across paths 231 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:08.360 with Jimmy Carter. 232 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:16.240 I will give President Carter full credit for everything he 233 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.320 accomplished in his life after his presidency, but I'd like 234 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.559 to know what your opinion is of him. I know 235 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.039 that you interviewed him many many times. Yes, what your 236 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.960 feelings are about him being such a massive anti semi? 237 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.039 I never detected that, To be really honest with you, 238 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:45.519 I find that difficult to believe. I listened to Stuart Eisenstadt, 239 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.679 who was his chief economic advisor today, who delivered a 240 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:56.519 tribute at the National Cathedral. Since that happened to be Jewish, 241 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.559 happens to be Jewish, and he talked. 242 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.120 I was very surprised by that because and I'm not Jewish, 243 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.879 I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I absolutely support the 244 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.679 state of Israel. But I mean the fact that he 245 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.519 wanted to forbid you from living outside. You know, the 246 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.919 pre sixty seven borders, the fact that when he planned 247 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.799 the US Holocaust Museum, which quite frankly most of the 248 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.480 people that planned that were survivors of the Holocaust, he 249 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:27.919 probably stated there were too many Jews involved. 250 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:36.039 I mean, ye, Joel, I know. Well, let me just say, 251 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.759 I know you are a very close observer, and I 252 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.279 would never dispute anything that you would present to me. 253 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:45.080 And I say that I hope you know. I say 254 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.120 that you're honestly, but I have never seen any of 255 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.080 that or heard any of that. I don't know what 256 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:55.240 your sources are on that, but I just, honest to God, 257 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:01.279 this is all news to me. He's a Southern Baptan. Yes, yes, 258 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:06.440 I never have I never have heard any of this. Again, 259 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:08.879 not trying to challenge you, but are these in books 260 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.200 of biographies that you've read, or are these absolutely? 261 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:17.360 Absolutely? I mean, he didn't want Jews who wanted to 262 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:22.480 leave the USSR to emigrate. I mean there's books and 263 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:27.519 books and articles and articles other than I mean, I 264 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:28.000 don't know. 265 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:33.360 I can tell you, yes, I'll tell you this. I 266 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:40.720 spent the better part of an evening interviewing Natan Sharansky, 267 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:46.559 who was one of the best known Soviet dissidents who 268 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.840 emigrated from the Soviet Union to Israel and actually ended 269 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.639 up serving at Knesset. I interviewed him, Oh, it's got 270 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.799 to be five or six years ago at the Edward M. 271 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:04.559 Kennedy Institute for the Senate, and I can only there's 272 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.519 no reason he would have brought anything like that up. 273 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.359 But I know that he emigrated. I believe he immigrated 274 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:14.880 shortly after I believe he immigrated in nineteen eighty one, 275 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.359 once some of the Refuseniks were allowed to leave. I 276 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:24.440 know that that Carter was born again I think Southern Baptist. 277 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.119 I've never heard any of this. I really haven't. Then, 278 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:32.559 as they say again. 279 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.599 I mean his Middle East advisor, who was there until 280 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:45.079 christ I think his name is Professor Steine, basically said 281 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.079 that Carter blamed the Jews for losing the presidency to Reagan. 282 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.480 You really need to I know that you're very well 283 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:59.480 informed on pretty much everything, and I respect you immantally. Yeah, 284 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.680 I would love for you to research that. 285 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.279 Well, here's the thing. If you want to send me 286 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.400 a couple of things to look at, I would be happy. 287 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.000 But I got to tell you my my my visceral instinct, 288 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.640 and if I was sitting with you having dinner, I 289 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.519 would I would be as honest with you as I 290 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:20.400 am being right now. Normally some of the stuff you 291 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:23.440 hear and you say, oh yeah, I heard that, but 292 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.119 it came from someone I've never heard this, Okay, I 293 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.880 really have never heard this stuff. It is astonishing to me. 294 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.960 This was a guy who negotiated the peace between Saddat 295 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:35.920 and Monoca. 296 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:39.079 Began exactly and that's the only thing he did that 297 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:40.359 was good in his prelacy. 298 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.279 In mind, well, putting aside that saying is I kind 299 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:48.759 of imagined that Monoca began you know who who was 300 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:53.240 a Zionist would have allowed uh want to be the 301 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.720 same rule with somebody who who you characterize as an 302 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:01.440 anti semi. I just you know, again, send me some 303 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.160 stuff on it and I'll be happy to look at it. 304 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.759 But I I've got nothing on that. 305 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.359 I really don't I would love to send you an 306 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.759 email if you could have your producer give me your 307 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:13.759 email offline and. 308 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:16.079 Give me some sites or whatever. I mean, is there 309 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.720 anybody that any author that you want to cite for me? 310 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.359 That that wrote a book that said Jimmy Carter was 311 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:22.119 an anti semi. 312 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:31.039 I would look at god. What's his name? Battling for 313 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:36.039 Peace by Shimon Correz was one of them. 314 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:43.319 So Shimon Perez thought Jimmy Carter was an anti semi. Yeah, okay, 315 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:45.119 first I've. 316 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.160 Heard of that, well, Professor Kenneth Stein. 317 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.000 Okay, an article on it. 318 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.240 I don't know who he is, A professor, Yeah, do 319 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.839 me a favorite. Rob will give you my direct email address. Rob, 320 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:00.680 give Noel my phone number, my email he'll addressing. I'm 321 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:01.400 be happy to look at it. 322 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:03.680 Okay, okay, great. 323 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.519 Thanks, thanks Noell. Hang on there, Okay, let me keep 324 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:11.200 rolling here. Steve is up in Maine. Steve, Welcome to Nightside. 325 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.759 How are you, hey, Dan, I'm not in Nane right now. 326 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:16.200 I am in New Jersey. 327 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:20.519 Okay. I don't know who this is long hauled riber. Okay, 328 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.119 I know that, Steve. Yeah, absolutely well. 329 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.200 I told you in postgame early this morning that we 330 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.920 don't like to see you disappointed. You know, not every 331 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.160 show is a plus plus in your opinion, and you 332 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.039 were a little disappointed, and I don't like to see 333 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.160 you get down like that. So I said Dan, I'm 334 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:37.880 gonna call in. 335 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.599 Yeah, I remember that. We'd love to hear a lot 336 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.920 of a lot of the listeners. I want to hear 337 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.200 from you because some of you have have things to contribute. 338 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:50.000 That that's you know, As I say, I could sit 339 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:51.880 here and tell Jimmy Cards stories all night, but it'll 340 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:54.839 be a pretty boring show. So uh. Even though even 341 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:58.599 Noel's call, which kind of caught me by surprise because 342 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:02.480 I've I've never known that to be true, But gohead, 343 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:05.480 what's on your mind? You ever bump into Jimmy Carter? 344 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.920 Well, you know, I was a freshman in high school 345 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:13.839 and he was inaugurated, so I can't tell you why 346 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:15.519 I had to have to go back and look at 347 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.039 his policies and everything, but. 348 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.279 I considered him a weak president, and when President Reagan 349 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.599 came in after him, it was like night and day. 350 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.799 He saw a strong leader in Reagan, and I saw 351 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:31.480 a lot of weakness in Jimmy Cotta. With that said, 352 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:37.440 what nic Cole said about him being anti Semitic, I 353 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.519 would think that would be out of President Carter's character 354 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:45.960 because he was a Southern Baptist, born again Christian and 355 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:50.319 that just you know, that's like who we worshiped God. 356 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:55.000 That God's the lover of the Jews, that's his chosen people. 357 00:21:55.119 --> 00:22:00.160 And why would a Christian be against that? You know, 358 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.400 I can't see that. So what she sends you, I 359 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.599 would be very interested in myself to google it and 360 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:12.200 find out, because I find that hot to swallow myself too. 361 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:17.039 So I just it's it's it's out of the blue, okay, yeah, uh, 362 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:22.319 And I just you know, I I wish I had 363 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.119 the ability right now to to to scrub the Internet. 364 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:28.400 I just don't. You don't know. 365 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:29.759 Your time is pressure. 366 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.680 So now let me ask you you did you grow 367 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:34.559 up in Maine or did you grow up in New Hampshire. 368 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:39.160 I grew up in a small town. I told you, 369 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.079 next town from Tangley, Gary Tangley from Mexico, and I'm 370 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.480 from Dicksfield. That two towns side by side, and the 371 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.960 third town is Rumford. 372 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:55.359 Familiar with that area. Again, I think that a lot 373 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:58.160 of people in New England. You know, Jimmy Carter uh 374 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:03.480 broke through in the Iowa caucus in January of two 375 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:10.640 thousand of nineteen seventy seven, seventy six, excuse me, and 376 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.720 then he doubled up and did very well in the 377 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.519 New Hampshire primary, and that became the new way to 378 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.799 win the nomination. He came from out of nowhere. I mean, 379 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.000 his ratings were, you know, in the single digits, and 380 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.720 all of a sudden, this guy wins the Iowa caucus 381 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.279 brilliant strategy and then goes to New Hampshire with that 382 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.920 momentum wins the New Hampshire primary. I got probably the 383 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.000 next time that I interviewed him was after he was 384 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:44.119 the nominee. I was in New Hampshire in Manchester on 385 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.279 Elm Street and they had a big rally for Jimmy 386 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.720 Carter in New Hampshire in nineteen seventy six, and his 387 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.839 press secretary's guy named Jody Powell, who I got to 388 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.960 know a little bit, and I said, look, you got 389 00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:58.880 five minutes for an interview. He said, sure, I'll bring 390 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.960 him over. So, I mean, this is a different time. 391 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.000 So I'm standing there with my camera crew and the 392 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:12.920 rallies over and then Governor Carter, candidate Carter had shaken 393 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.279 a few hands and came right over. Hey, how you doing. 394 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:18.240 How are you nice to meet you? I reminded him 395 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.759 previous meeting, Oh I remember that. And we had a 396 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:25.039 lovely interview, and I did my story for WBZ that night, 397 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.119 and at that point I had become a television reporter 398 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.680 with WBZ and it was the first Carter was the 399 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:37.799 first nominated presidential candidate that I had a chance to interview, 400 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:43.079 and it was pretty cool. And we had many interviews 401 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:44.599