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Speaker 1: What is up? Fellasiko's Onbafa Valley coming at you with

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our second to last twenty five twenty twenty six NBA

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season look Ahead. We are at long last on to

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the Boston Celtics, which means I get to be joined

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by Bobby Manning, covers the team for CLNS. Be sure

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to check out the Garden Report. They go live after

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it sounds. It's also in our YouTube link and our

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podcast description. Bobby, you're back for year three. I appreciate

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you doing this for a third consecutive year. How the

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heck are you doing good? Yeah, you said year three.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, this is your six for me covering

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the team on the ground here, I want to say

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our six of the Garden Report as we've been doing

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it for sure, so you know times phone here a

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little bit, which is which is crazy. But this seem's

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in an interesting spot gap year, trend istion year, whenever

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you want to call it. It's going to be interesting

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how it all plays out roster wise. How competitive are they?

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Does Tatum come back? I think this team, for being

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pretty mediocre on paper, actually could be intriguing the follow

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a week to week just based on how I don't

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want to say erratic, but this could be a year

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where they're all over the place, a little bit, really

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good forst stretch, really bad first stretch. So you know

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Tatum's on the court, is he almost here? Like there's

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gonna be a lot of storylines around the team as

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the year progresses.

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Speaker 1: And look, the Eastern Conference is nothing if not forgiving

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to the middle class, So that's something the factor. And

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you mentioned Tatums. Let's just start there. The right achilles injury.

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The vibes feel really good right now with the videos

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they've been posting, there's the report that he wants to

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play this season and the Celtics haven't ruled it out.

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Do you expect him at this point, just giving all

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the noise we've heard around it and the videos that

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are being posted to now see him play this season?

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And do you ultimately think that you're not a doctor?

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I'm going to ask you if it's the right call, but

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do you think there's value in will you get that

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mental hurdle of having to come back out of the way,

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so next season, when the stakes in theory are higher,

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it's maybe just not as much pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had a guess now, I think we

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will see some amount of him by the end of

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the year. Now, the timing's tough because as you start

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to count out the months here, and I think his

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dad said like eight to nine months to ESPN when

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it first happened, and the timing of the surgery and

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the techniques they're using now, particularly O'Malley who performed the

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surgery is known to do the speed bridge technique, which

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brings guys back a little earlier. I think he's in

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a great position to come back sooner than most guys.

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players coming back from it now, Drew Smith, Isaiah Jackson

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as well as James Wiseman. They're all, you know, full

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go in these preseason games. So could they have been

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playing even a month earlier than this on their timelines,

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I don't know. But for Tatum, I think the timing

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around March April is going to be interesting because where's

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this team at this point. At that point, are they

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trying to gear up for a playoff push? Is it

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so tight to the end of the season where bringing

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him back and trying to fit him into things is

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awkward or doesn't make a ton of sense. I think

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there's a lot of factors like that at play they're

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going to determine whether we actually do see him this year.

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really good place by February, March, April even and let's

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say it is April two weeks as you mentioned there,

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getting comfortable, getting his feet under him, gaining his confidence

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back in live action. Let's say the team is out

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of it at that point. That could be good for

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him going into the following year. So if I had

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a guess right now, I do think we'll see some

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amount of him this year.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it is less likely that if they

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still have something to play for, that he would come back,

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what if they are really going after the sixth seed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, and I asked that question a lot

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because I'm not sure if that's actually a factor. But

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you can understand, right let's say he's ready to go

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and the playoffs are starting. I don't think it's easy

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to just jump into action for a playoff game if

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that's what it's going to be. And similar if there's

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at that point or do you just want to take

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extra time off the court and doing whatever you can

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a non game action the ramp up for next year.

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ones obviously is he cleared and you know, allowed to

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go there, and that seems feasible by the time the

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season ends there, So if he intends to play this year,

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they're open to it and the doctors clear him that

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it might be as simple as that, and whether they're

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in the mix or not the you know, it might

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not matter at all. But I do think it could

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be awkward if they figure something out, are in the

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playoff nes there and you're trying to fit him in

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because it's not going to be full go Tatum right away,

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like it's going to be a minute limit and maybe

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off the bench or some diminished version of So can

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you address those two things at the same time trying

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to fit him back in while trying to enter the

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playoffs at full speed ahead. And obviously it'd be better

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to have him for a playoff run if that's feasible

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then not. But you know, I think the thinking is

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you're usually not yourself until well over a year after

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this thing, and if we're counting out eleven months, that's

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the end of the regular season, So the timing is

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going to be tight against the playoffs, which I think

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is going to be the difficult factor here. But does

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that even matter or are they just going to say

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go ahead when you're ready. I could see either direction

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being the case there, but this stuff is so hard

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to determine because you see him flying up and down

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and dunking and all that, and it's exciting, But how

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much does that actually mean at this point? I don't know,

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because you know, from what I hear, that's that's stuff

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you're theoretically able to do at this point in the

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recovery five months out. So I don't think we've seen

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anything yet that makes you say, all right, he's coming back.

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think he's on track, which is good, but I don't

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think he's swooping in to save this season by any

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means here. Whatever happens, that's not going to be the case.

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Speaker 1: He does seem like the type of sicko that would

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want to see, Okay, what's the quickest return from an

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achilles injury?

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Speaker 2: And that's good, right, because it means he's putting everything

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into this process he possibly can. And let's say, like

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this is like a carrot, that you know, him returning

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this year is what's motivating him to get in there

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every day, give it as all, and take every step

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as seriously as possible. And then let's say it doesn't

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work out, you still did all that work for the

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following year and put yourself in the position to succeed

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next year. But this clearly is motivating him. He's sending

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that signal with interviews and posts and everything else that

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I'm still here, I'm going to be back. And the

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worry there is that he pushes too hard, and I

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think that's something they're probably have to manage, because, like

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you said, he's relentless. I don't think he is a

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guy who wants to hold back at all. But with

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these kind of recoveries, you might have to hear and

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there and you might have to say, all right, this

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season isn't smart. Let's wait for next year. And that's

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going to be difficult for him if that time comes,

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but he has also stressed, you know, we're not going

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to come back any sooner than when I'm absolutely ready here.

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So you hope that that's the case with him. You

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hope there are no setbacks because obviously the big thing

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everyone wants to see is this team being back in

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position for twenty twenty seven. He's gonna miss most, if

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not all, of this year regardless of when he comes back.

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So does that make this year a wash? Are they

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better than expected? Is it a tank year? Whatever happens,

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it's not going to be a championship contending year this season,

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So you want to be back in that position the

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following year, and his recovery is the biggest factor in that,

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is they've said.

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Speaker 1: That's a perfect segue into the question I want to

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ask you about what your read was of how they

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navigated the offseason. Do you look at it as they

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were really trying to steer into people want to call

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it a gak beer a tank here, or was it

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just a cheaper form of relevance in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely had financial reasons to do what they did.

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get it. They got below that line with the Porzingis move.

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I think you can look at the Porzingis trade financially

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and as a basketball move and say, all right, is

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he going to be healthy, consistent and effective moving forward?

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sense to have him on your books in a year

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where you're not trying to contend at thirty million or

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wherever he was floating around at that point. So I

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get some of these moves. I think Simon's was good

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value for Holiday. I think Holiday gang off three years.

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career and some of the decline you started to see

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Speaker 1: But now it was initially I know they didn't end

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up with them. Yeah, they gott yeah as part of

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that deals. I was actually floored because I love Drew,

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but like that contract was just not viewed favorably around

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the league. So yeah, that was a trade that you

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could have justified for it was financial, but you also

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probably could have justified it for basketball reasons too.

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Certainly didn't want to trade brown or white if he

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didn't have to, so they did that. Then you know,

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you lose Al. You start to hear win that that's

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gonna happen, and obviously it didn't happen till later. And

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two million on a minimum two to three million versus

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five six million, like you ended up getting like you

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couldn't match that. I get hurt that much to try

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to keep Ault around. Now. I'm sure he had his

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own factors there and in continuing to contend for a championship.

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as well as a major factor and starting out in

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golden status he's going to I don't know if that

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would have been certain here. So there were definitely other

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reasons aside for the money that he left. But that

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was tough for me because if you're trying to keep

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the ship afloat develop young guys have some stability or

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even just be back next year, like I don't think

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this is necessarily Al's last year. It was tough to

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see him go, especially when you don't have a ton

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at center remaining. We can get to that in a minute.

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But the one that killed me is Luke And you

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know I've reported that. You know, they try to do

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a structure of like five years at the minimum to

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get him the twenty million. They made a pretty competitive

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offer there, I think, because when you look at you know,

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he got forty million ish from San Antonio, but only

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about like twenty three was guaranteed. So I think in

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his case, you know, is it the ability to win

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in San Antonio. He grew up close to there, so

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sure was appealing. So I think there were other factors

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there for him as well, aside from the money, but

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later in their careers, to me, Cornett was still ascending

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at a position where you're completely uncertain into the future

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now and you spent all of those years developing them.

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as well. I love them, So maybe I'm a little

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biased here, but I thought losing Cornett was a killer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, playing pick and roll with Wemby, and defensively he's

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just excellent. That was a tough loss. I think there's

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a case he could actually be the guy they missed

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the most out of the four guys they lost.

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Speaker 1: I thought actually those two moves that you have, the

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al Horford like him leaving and the Cornett signing were

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the two that kind of telegraphed oh there. It was

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like purely out. This whole offseason was financially driven. So

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now you look at it and they're twelve point one

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million away from ducking the tax. To me, now, the

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expectation would be, now the repeater clo that they would

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pay repeater tax this year, that they're going to duck

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that number. But I would have probably guessed that they

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did it before entering training camp, which they did not,

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which is also a little confusing because it gets harder

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to shave that kind of money off during the regular season.

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So what are your just expectations there, just based off

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everything they've already done. Do you expect them to try

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and work to duck the tax or might they make

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it a results based thing where, oh, if we're better

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than expected, like we will just stomach the bill this year.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting when the preseason broadcast their cap

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guy Mike's Aaron was on there and he almost like

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spilled the beans. It sounded like like, you know, we

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had to get blowed the second apron, and you know

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we're gonna get blowed the first, something to that effect.

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And they're a little over the first right now, that

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apron doesn't matter as much to me, Like there's no

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like draft pick penalties for being over that one. You

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can't do sign and trades and a couple other things

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that you know, the mid level next summer, I'm sure

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you want it, but that one to me isn't like

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you have to get blow the first apron. The tax

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is the question. And there's still like twelve thirteen over

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Simon's was the big conversation there all summer. Can you

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move off him and you know, get blow of that

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line completely there? But for whatever they either weren't suitors

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for you know, you're talking twenty eight million there. It's

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a pretty hefty contract along with just the positional need

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around the league, point guard is overloaded on pretty much

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every roster. There aren't a lot of teams that are

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trying to win that need a point guard. And I

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said all along, if you're looking across the league, who

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needs Simons, it's actually the Celtics. So you know, it

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had him out and the guard depth they lost, like

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they actually need him more than any other team, So

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I'm glad they kept him. It was a mixed bag

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in the preseason. You know, even the finale yesterday was

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pretty rough as we record this year against Toronto, but

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they're working hard on the defense. He's exceptional as a scorer.

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The Cavs preseason game on Friday or Sunday rather was

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was excellent, just him and his best stepping back, drilling threes,

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being a threat on that end. So he's super talented

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and still relatively young. If you can pay a little

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bit of tax this year, and ownership's willing to do

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that to just keep some of the roster intact, and

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he'll obviously go to free agency next summer, let's say

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you can keep them at half the cost, because I

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think that's what free agency is doing. There's squeezing guys

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to that level financially. I don't know how much money

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they'll be out there from this offseason unless he just

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goes off this year, which you tip your hap if

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it had if that's the case, or maybe you move

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him close to the deadline if that's where things are going.

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But I'm glad they didn't just try to dump him

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or attached picks to him to send them to Brooklyn

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or whatever the move would have been there, because they

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clearly wasn't great value for him out there, and so

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I think it's a no brainer to take him into

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the year and see what he can do. This is

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a good fit for him. They shoot a lot of threes.

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It's a great defensive system coaching wise to get a

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guy to play better on that end, and I think

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they're hopeful that in this environment, especially without a lot

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of attention on him right Jalen Derek Peyton, those guys

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are gonna get a lot of the defensive attention. I

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could see him succeeding this year. So he's one of

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the actual few things I think fans can latch onto

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this year and be excited about. Is this guy having

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the motivation to have a contract year and one way

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or another, I think you're going to benefit from that

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if it happens.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing too, just looking at their payroll,

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is that it's less prohibitive to just be into the

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tax now. In general, it's when you start, as you said,

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getting into the aprons where there's the draft pick penalties

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or the transaction restricts.

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Speaker 2: Just money. I think, like the thirty million tax bow

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right now, I.

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Speaker 1: Think like that, but it's not it's not hard money,

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and so ownership tends to think differently. The other thing

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with Simon's two is that so it seems like he's

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going to come off the bench for them, and some

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of the lineups that I saw him in during the preseason,

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I'd just say, not a lot of ton of like

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other ball handling around him, which in theory could then

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make his job tougher. Have you gotten any more of

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a sense for how you think they're going to deploy

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him or what players you want to see him maybe

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tethered two to optimize like what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think even unrelated to Simons, they

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got to find some ways to generate rim protection this year,

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and that's gonna be challenging. You lost Cornett and Porzingis

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was great at that. They had so much of it

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last year that now you're like, all right, you know,

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Kate is a decent room protector. It seems like he's

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going to start here. I think Joe signaled that yesterday.

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Chris Bouchet can help with, you know, some of the

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weak side stuff, as well as Josh Maynot, who I

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think is intriguing on this team deeper down the roster

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is one of the minimum pickups they had, So I

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think when you look at the second unit right now,

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it's gonna be tough if he is there, you know,

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mine not will be out there. But if he's playing

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with guards, I think that's a guy who struggled defensively

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in the preseason for them. You know, you're you're not

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looking at a ton of defensive pieces around him into

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second units there, So they're gonna have to get creative

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with how they do it. There's a big debate in

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Celtics Land. You start Porchard, do you start Signons Prichard

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obviously thrived as a six man a year ago. I

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think he's earned the right to start for this team

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just where he is, you know, standing wise at this point.

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But there is a case, whether you're doing it actually

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changing the lineup down down the line, or just doing

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it in rotation. And they're certainly going to be subbing

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guys in and out like crazy, as we saw during

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the preseason here. Getting the different combinations that are going

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to help him out. Defensively, playing next to White, playing

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with rim protection behind him, I think that's all going

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to be important there, But it comes down to his

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efforts because teams are going to go after him. He

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filed a lot in the preseason. He had four in

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the Toronto game. I think he was like close to

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six and the other one. So he's a work in

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progress still at this point in his career, and he's

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super talented. They're going to coach him tough. He's going

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to have to improve on these things if he wants

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to take the next step in his career at this

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point ahead of free agency here, and I think he's

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definitely motivated to do that. So they're gonna have to

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get creative with the way they run their lineups this year,

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and seeing how often they sub guys in and out

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of those preseason games, I don't know if it will

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be as rapid fire as it was in training camp,

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but they definitely go you know, whoever starts these games,

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you know, an opening night and beyond here. I don't

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think it's going to matter a time because four minutes in,

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it's going to be another group in and you know,

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from there just mixing and matching throughout these games. I

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don't think the starting lineup is gonna matter much for

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this team at all.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics are among the teams, among the many teams

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that have talked about playing faster this year. I know

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Joe mizzoulis pushed back against some of the pay stuff,

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but like even when you just look at the average

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offensive possession time last year, Boston was in the bottom three,

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it's like they do have room to beat things up.

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So I guess where do you land on that? And too,

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do you buy that Like that's going to be sort

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of like playing noticeably faster is going to be a

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core part of their identity, maybe in part to try

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and paper over the fact that they don't have their

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down one superstar offensive talent, so you don't necessarily want

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to go up against set defenses as often.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to get into the actions earlier, and

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they talked about that last year too. It didn't work,

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and it was funny to even hear Pritchard at win.

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The practices here at camp just essentially be like you know,

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it was it was Tatum. You know, you're gonna play

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Tatum's way when he's available, and that's what we did

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and it worked. We won a title. But you know,

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Jalen wants to play faster. Pritchard has always wanted to

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play fast. Simon's is a fast athletic player, and they

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have a bunch of guys they've added who can fit

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that play style now too. Even their bigs can get

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up and down the floor a little bit. So you know,

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you hear them talk about it. Every team talks about

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in camp want to play faster? Do they actually do it?

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And they did. You know, they got up to one

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of six possessions that through the four preseason games there

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that was tied for six or even as high as

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like third if you just you know teams that are

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in the one oh six range there, So they were

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in the top half of teams effectively in pace, and

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you mentioned it. They got down to like twenty ninth

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of the season. Over the last two months they were

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last and then they in that Knick series, they were

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down like a ninety one pace. It was ridiculous how

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slow and plotting they got into that playoff loss there.

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So that was one of the first things Brad talked

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about over the offseason is we have to address that.

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How they balance that against turnovers is going to be interesting,

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because they turned it over a lot this preseason. There

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were some aberrations with like the you know, tryout guys

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in these games giving it away, so the number might

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be a little deceiving, but they did turn it over

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a lot, even into the starting lineup, you know, minutes there.

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So ball control is definitely gonna be a question. These

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guys who have been more secondary contributors, Pritchard, Brown, you know,

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alongside Tatum, are gonna get the full brunt of defensive

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pressure this year. So I think that's another reason to

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play fast, is to avoid some of the traps and

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double teams and stuff the teams are gonna throw at

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them to try to slow them in the half court.

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It could be a struggle at times for this team.

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In the half court. There's not as much shooting as

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a year ago. There's not as much playmaking, especially in

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some of these second units, so their approach. You know, offensively,

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it's gonna have to be fast, and then even defensively,

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they're gonna take more risks. They're gonna try to go

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for steals and do things that they haven't done the

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last couple of years here, there's been a bottom five

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team through Mizzoulu's tenure for turnovers. You could see them

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in the top half of the league in that department

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now this year too, because they just have to do it.

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There's certain things they don't have now as a team

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that they're gonna have to make up for in other ways.

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And one other thing I've loved from them this preseason

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is they're offensive rebounding. Like they're not going to be

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a great defensive rebounding team, but if they're getting second

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chance opportunities on the other end, and they're very good

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at it the way they coach it, that can counteract

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that a little bit. I think this team, and you know,

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we can talk about Joe for a minute here if

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we want to. I think they're gonna benefit from his

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coaching and the way he finds little advantages and just

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how attentive he is. The stuff the system he's built here,

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I think that's gonna add more wins to this team's total.

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Then people give credit for like just watching these preseason games.

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It's a lot of guys, like just a lot of

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players who you know, you don't know much about it,

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these even NBA guys, but like the threes are going

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up and they're on the glass, and like they're defending,

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you know, aggressively as a team, and they they're just smart.

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They're smart team. They're well coached, and they might play

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better than the sum of their parts here because you

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just look at the roster and the players that are

478
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,599
on it, and it's not super impressive when you look

479
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,880
at it, but you actually watch these precids, you know,

480
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,680
they put up one twenty in one game, they put

481
00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:17,640
up one thirty in another game. They didn't face a

482
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,759
lot of competition, but like the machine just seemed to

483
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:22,920
kind of keep rolling no matter who was in there.

484
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,319
And I don't think you know, if you didn't watch

485
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,519
this team super closely over the last couple of years,

486
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,039
they had a stacked roster, but they would win games

487
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,359
for like Howser and Prichard and Cornett would start. So

488
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,119
I think that might continue even with a even less

489
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,799
talented rosters. Than that this year.

490
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:40,559
Speaker 1: The Missoula points interesting because I think a lot of

491
00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:43,720
coaches can feel reinvigorated when they don't necessarily have to

492
00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,920
tailor everything they're doing around one or two players, and

493
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,519
then it's mostly the players that they get to fus

494
00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:51,480
and fiddle with, or the players adapt to how they

495
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,519
want to play, and so like, do you see any

496
00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:56,200
other like the Celtics have become known for their three

497
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,480
point volume, but are there any more like interesting wrinkles

498
00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:02,519
you could see rolled out by Joe Mizzoula And what

499
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,799
is basically whatever they're trying to do this season, it's

500
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,119
going to be more experimental than years past, for sure.

501
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, they've wont to get into some full

502
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,039
court pressure, you know, like Indiana did last year. I

503
00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:15,400
think that's the trend that's gonna start showing around the league.

504
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,880
I think they're willing to file a little more. There's

505
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,400
a team that hasn't fouled at all essentially under Miszula,

506
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,240
So I think they're willing, especially in a situation where

507
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,319
they start to see more things going uncalled around the league,

508
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,640
maybe being willing to give up an extra file or

509
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,319
two here to try to get away with it. I

510
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,200
think that's a conversation they've had in camp here. The

511
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:37,559
three point volume is still going to be there. I mean,

512
00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:39,880
that's just who they are. I think for this team

513
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:43,440
with Howser, Pritchard, Simons, it actually makes sense to still

514
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,079
get a lot up. And you know, the last preseason game,

515
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,519
Jalen goes down and Derek White shot seventeen threes and

516
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,680
scored thirty three points. So you know, it drives fans

517
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,599
crazy sometimes they're three point totals fifty sixty a games sometimes,

518
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,079
but it actually does suit their roster decently. Even you know,

519
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,759
kat is tinkered with a three point shot this offseason

520
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,839
and guards that can shoot it. I feel good about

521
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,599
him out there. This is a roster that I think

522
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,720
actually benefits again from shooting a lot of three. So

523
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,599
I think they're gonna lean into that harder pace, a

524
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,720
more aggressive defensive approach to try to force turnovers. They

525
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:19,920
just look for every advantage they can find there. And

526
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200
for Joe, it's like the four battles, the free throw battle,

527
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:27,920
the rebounding battle, the turnover battle, as well as the

528
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,480
shot total battle, and like that's pretty much what he

529
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:32,519
stresses every night to try to win games, like, if

530
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,079
we do two or three of these things, we're probably

531
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,599
gonna win. And even on the more talented rosters, that's

532
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:40,279
how they would get by and gain even more of

533
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,200
an advantage. So I'm a Joe guy. Like we ever

534
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:46,680
we butt heads in the pressers sometimes and even on

535
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,039
the court in this media game, but like to me,

536
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,000
he's a smart, innovative coach, and he's gotten a lot

537
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,440
out of this team, Like they haven't won fifty sixty

538
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,519
games every year under him just because they've been the

539
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,799
most talented team in the league, Like they have scratched

540
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,279
every advantage they can find. So I feel good about

541
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,200
him going into this year. But they do need to

542
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,920
find talent too out there, and that's going to be

543
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,720
the work in progress as they tried to develop this team.

544
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,519
Speaker 1: Do you have anything you're monitoring or expecting when it

545
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:17,359
comes to seeing Derek White and assuming he's healthy after

546
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,519
the hamstring snafu, Jalen Brown scaling up in Tatum's absence,

547
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,359
and I honestly think, I though this sounds weird, White's

548
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,559
the more interesting one to me there because a lot

549
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,319
of people just assume that because he's been more of

550
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,119
a tertiary offensive, Like he scores a bunch of points sometimes,

551
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,640
but he's been more of like a secondary offensive player

552
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,279
for them that he's the one who could be impacted

553
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,960
the most. Adversely, But when you look at like the

554
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,480
level of difficulty on his shots or what can happen

555
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:43,759
when he gets up a lot of shots of the

556
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,960
way that he's just able to move, I'm actually sort

557
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,319
of fascinated to see. I think he's going to be

558
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,519
a lot better this season than people nashally might expect

559
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:54,200
without Tatum there, without Drew there, without Porzingis and now

560
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:54,920
Horford there.

561
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to look at the box score from

562
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,720
the finale the preseason's like thirty three nine to six

563
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,680
and four blocks. Like if he's doing something close to

564
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,279
that every night, regardless of how this team's doing, people

565
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:09,200
around the league are gonna look up and be like, whoa,

566
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,079
you know, Derek White's maybe even an All Star this

567
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,519
year what he's doing statistically, Like that's the kind of

568
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,440
weight he might have to shoulder, especially if Jalen's gonna

569
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,759
miss some time here, and I think he inevitably will

570
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:23,519
at certain ports sparks of the schedule as well, He's

571
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:25,640
gonna be the guy they have a tough decision on

572
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,200
and Jalen into the future as well, just because of

573
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,680
the contract. But I think there is a more limited

574
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480
market for Jalen because of that and a deal he's on.

575
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,079
Derek's on this great contract. Every single team in the

576
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,119
league not only needs a guy like that, but it

577
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,000
could perfectly fit him in and benefit from it immediately.

578
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,079
Like I know, the talk almost instantly when Fred van

579
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,039
Fleet went down in Houston was imagine Derek White in

580
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,480
that position. Can they go get White? You know, I said,

581
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,359
teams called them over the offseason, nobody blew them away

582
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,440
with an offer. Like I think the thinking was, like

583
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,480
Michale Bridges type offer could maybe get Boston off White here,

584
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:06,559
but let's say the desperation of some other teams around

585
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,519
the league increases in Boston. You know, it doesn't look

586
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:13,000
like they're going anywhere fast here. They do get offered

587
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,680
like five first and a good young player for White,

588
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,759
it's gonna be hard if they're in a bad position

589
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,680
to completely swat that away and say, no way, we're

590
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,119
not trading him, because like you're gonna see him ascend

591
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,599
to a different level this year. I think, you know,

592
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,200
I'm in full agreement with you on that. But by

593
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,920
the time this team get back, gets back to championship level,

594
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,279
is he's still like a major part of what they're

595
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,200
doing there. That's what they're gonna have to ask themselves

596
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,200
this season, because how does this team get better into

597
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,960
the future? You know, they drafting high next year, they

598
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
don't have other picks into the future. In fact, they

599
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,039
o picks to other teams over the next couple of years. Here,

600
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,799
They're not going to be signing free agents or even

601
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,640
doing signing trades necessarily next summer. So how do how

602
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,240
do you start to set this team up for long

603
00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:01,440
term success here? Maybe your vision is just pay for it,

604
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,480
keep White, Brown Tatum around and just figure it out

605
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,119
around them. I think that's a perfectly fine plan, But

606
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,319
you're gonna have to find some other pieces this year.

607
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,359
Feel good about Jason coming back or where Jalen's at

608
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,200
into the future here, they really think you can just

609
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:20,359
run this thing back. White's gonna continue to be a

610
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,759
difficult decision for them because I'm almost certain as this

611
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,400
year goes on and team suffer injuries or try to buy,

612
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,680
they're just gonna be knocking the door over trying to

613
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,240
get this guy from Boston because there's an argument this

614
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,279
is the best complimentary player in the league, Like that's

615
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,720
the level he's reached on both ends of the floor here,

616
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,599
and he looks like the final piece to a championship

617
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,480
team right now. And so is there a number you

618
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:48,480
can get to? Is there an offer you can get

619
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,960
to as an opposing team that makes Boston say all right,

620
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,359
we'll take five first and this, you know, really intriguing

621
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920
young player here. Whatever that offer looks like, I think

622
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,680
that's gonna be something to watch this year. Maybe it

623
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,200
doesn't happen this season, the next offseason. Where are you at?

624
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,519
Where's he at? I think that's going to continue to

625
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,640
be a conversation here. But in the meantime, I'm gonna

626
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,279
appreciate getting to watch this guy any amount of games

627
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:14,920
that we're able to hear, because he is just awesome.

628
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:16,079
He really is.

629
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even thinking about that type of a transaction,

630
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:23,519
if it offer comes on the table, does that imply that, like, oh,

631
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,400
this isn't just going to be a gap year, like

632
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,599
they're looking at this as like a multi year return

633
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:29,000
to the level that they were at.

634
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,079
Speaker 2: It might have to be right, like I don't know

635
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,079
how you get better next summer if you're them, like

636
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,519
you'll have a mid level maybe cause that get you

637
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,359
like a decent big I don't know. You don't have

638
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,880
a ton of trade assets unless some of these young

639
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,000
guys start to ascend. You don't have a ton of

640
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:51,119
draft capital and your pick. Let's say they are six

641
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,799
seventh in the East this year. It's the middle of

642
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,079
the middle of the draft, and you're not getting a

643
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,519
ton there, like Tatum will be back, Brown will be back,

644
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,160
you know, White whoever? Else? Is that enough to contend

645
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,440
for a championship next year?

646
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't know you did allude to this a little

647
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,400
bit before, but do you expect Jalen Brown and Derek

648
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
White to be on some sort of a loose maintenance program?

649
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:14,839
Kind of a loaded question because we don't have any updates.

650
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,759
We're recording this in the Jalen Brown hamstring injury, But like,

651
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:19,480
do they look at these if they are trying to

652
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,279
be back to that level semi soon with those two guys,

653
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,400
they could look at this as especially given how banged

654
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,680
up Jalen Brown was last year, they could look at

655
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680
this as an opportunity to not lighten their workload when

656
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,640
they're on the floor, but certainly lighten the number of

657
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,759
games that they have to play in.

658
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's going to be an interesting balance

659
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,559
between the coaching staffs that I think wants to go

660
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,519
full speed ahead this year I'm share, and the front

661
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,559
office it's probably looking more long term. So those are

662
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,319
the kind of things that I think will be interesting

663
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:47,960
as this year goes on here and we start to

664
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400
see where they're at, because it'll be easier to push

665
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,359
them further if they're playing great. It will probably become

666
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,759
a more challenging conversation if they're banged up and the

667
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,079
team's not playing great as this year progresses here. So

668
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:01,519
I don't have a great read on how that's going

669
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,000
to go so far. I think we'll get some indication

670
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,559
of it right now with this Jalen situation because he

671
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,319
exited the game with a hamstring, which can linger and

672
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,359
you don't want to rush back from so they's super

673
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,240
careful with him and hold him out for the first

674
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,440
couple of weeks here. As things get going, I think

675
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,680
that'll say a lot about how they're going to handle

676
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,480
even tweaks or minor injuries. If that's what this ends

677
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:25,400
up being here, and obviously you hope that's the case.

678
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,720
It was a killer after everything they went through this

679
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:30,480
preseason and some of the developments they had that your

680
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,480
next best player ends up going down in the final

681
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,599
preseason game here. So we'll see how that pans out

682
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,599
with a week to go into the regular season here.

683
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,279
But you know, trades rebuild versus reload for the following year.

684
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,480
I think just from you know, what I've garnered from

685
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,000
the front office here so far is that it's just

686
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,200
wait and see what opportunities are out there. How's this

687
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:57,440
season going, Just make decisions as they come. I don't

688
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,720
think this team has a firm d A, you know,

689
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,359
fully fledged outlook for how they're going to handle the

690
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,039
next couple of years here as they try to get

691
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,240
back into it. It's it's gonna be a lot of

692
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,519
monitoring and assessing things as they come along here. And

693
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,240
let'stenk credit to them. I think they found an underrated,

694
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,880
nice backup Big and Garza for the minimum here. I

695
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,039
think my not on a two year deal with a

696
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,960
second year team option. Just given the financial assets that

697
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,759
they had to work with this summer, they found some

698
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,640
interesting guys here. And even Ugo Gonzalez, you know, with

699
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,400
the what twenty eighth, twenty nine to thirtieth pick in

700
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,799
the first round, already shown to be a heady defender

701
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,200
and showing a few flashy moves offensively and looking like

702
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:42,920
for his age a guy who could step in and

703
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,000
contribute pretty quickly, maybe compared to what you would have thought.

704
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,319
I think those already look pretty good on this on

705
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,359
this front office, and we'll see what that actually looks

706
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,440
like when the games get going here. But there were

707
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,480
some guys over on this roster that I thought had

708
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,759
had solid preseasons, and I'm interested to see where they

709
00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,960
end up fitting in here, because that's that's the goal

710
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,640
of this season, right which one of these guys who

711
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,480
are playing right now can actually help us out when

712
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,160
we're trying to win again. If you can find even

713
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,759
one due the course of this schedule here, I think

714
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:09,440
that's a big win.

715
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:12,799
Speaker 1: Well, that's actually let's go there then, So starting with

716
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,599
Hugo Gonzales, given just their dearth of sort of proven

717
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,680
wing depth now, which is just such a bizarre thing

718
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
to say about the Celtics, quite frankly, is there a

719
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,119
chance that that allows him to like get shots with

720
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,759
like the actual big club this year, or do you

721
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,400
think that this is mostly going to be like a

722
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,640
main season for him.

723
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was going to be a main

724
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,279
season for him until we started to see some promising

725
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,119
returns to this preseason slate here and Walsh had a

726
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,519
rough you know, preseason in that positional group. Shireman had

727
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:46,039
a awful preseason. Unfortunately, Yeah, that did not go the

728
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:47,920
way you want to see it with him. So I

729
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,880
think those open a door for Ugo, who just played

730
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:55,559
poised and I thought his summer league was erratic, rushed

731
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,240
and he looked raw, and that's where you said, all right,

732
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,119
this is probably a main season for him, But he's

733
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,200
made improvements. I think a lot of guys are in

734
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,480
the gym throughout the summer and try to nail down

735
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:07,720
the system as well as what they're going to do

736
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,599
skill wise this year. And you know, he pulled out

737
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,000
the spin move to the basket in the Toronto game

738
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,039
and played a little point earlier in the preseason as well.

739
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,239
He's a pretty versatile guy, almost like a like gadget player,

740
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,079
Like can he screen a little bit, can he handle

741
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,800
a little bit? It looks like he can shoot a

742
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,199
little bit. He might just be a guy that they

743
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,639
throw out there for energy and to affect the game

744
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,719
in different areas because he's a big body, he's long,

745
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,760
he's tall, he's a pro, and he's got an NBA

746
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,119
physique already. It looks like it comes from that real

747
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,800
Madrid system where he was there for a couple of years,

748
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,280
being a pro already. I think that gives him, even

749
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,000
though he's nineteen twenty, a little bit of a different

750
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,639
outlook than the average rookie coming out of you know,

751
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480
one year at college or wherever they're you know, playing

752
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:56,079
that off year now. So I'm intrigued by him. I'm

753
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,079
not saying he's going to be everyday part of this rotation,

754
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,480
but I do lean toward especially if he capitalizes this

755
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,880
on a couple of weeks the teams have before the

756
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,920
G League opens up. He could stick around on this roster.

757
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: Why not.

758
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,599
Speaker 2: They'll be injuries, they'll be guys with ups and downs.

759
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:14,280
I think it makes a lot more sense for him

760
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,320
to be in Boston if there is opportunity to play,

761
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:19,519
then to be in Maine, where you might not benefit

762
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,000
as much from the lower level competition that you're going

763
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,199
against So they've used Maine well with some guys over

764
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,280
the last couple of years here, but this might be

765
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,519
an all hands on deck season for the pro club.

766
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: Who sort of intrigues you the most for this year?

767
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,199
I know Beler scheidro Man had a really bad preseason,

768
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,079
but there's also a Josh might not, Jordan Walsh, that

769
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:39,760
sort of whole crew is. They're just like someone in

770
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,760
particular you're you're monitoring most closely.

771
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think by not it's interesting because he gives

772
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,800
the stuff they need rebounding, the rim, protection from him,

773
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,320
just given his length and athleticism, I think is going

774
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,360
to be vital to trying to get stops at the rim,

775
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,400
protect the basket the way they have the last couple

776
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,519
of years here. Well, now he's gonna have to shoot.

777
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:01,679
He's gonna have to figure out some way to fit

778
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,840
in offensively consistently. The shot looks pretty bad, and that's

779
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,880
I think what killed him in Minnesota to start his

780
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,039
career was his inability to fit in as a shooter

781
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000
just anywhere offensively. But you know, he's put the ball

782
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,960
on the floor and attack some closeouts. This preseason. He

783
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,440
hit a three at one point and it's just so

784
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,840
active on the offensive glass that I think he's gonna

785
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,199
be a guy Missoula leans on pretty regularly off the bench.

786
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,400
And you know, I'll say this, I think Chris Bouchet

787
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,320
he showed well enough to maybe start over Sam Hauser

788
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,440
and it doubles We're on the.

789
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Right podcast, Sir, Chris Bouchet fanatics.

790
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: I love watching him this preseason and I love meeting him.

791
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:41,000
Hearing from him. You can tell he's just been around, poised,

792
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,639
old veteran who's won a championship, like he's just level,

793
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,719
you know, already impressing some advice on younger guys and

794
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,159
just seems to be a guy that Missoula can lean

795
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,320
on for good minutes. And that closing stretch against Toronto,

796
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,039
it's like a block. Then you know this bounce pass

797
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:59,199
to White for a cutting layup and you know you

798
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,679
can shoot three. You know he can defend inside and

799
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,320
out too. This is a guy. I don't know if

800
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,360
he's their starting center, but he's going to be in

801
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,719
that front court dynamic the whole way through here. And

802
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,280
it still blows my mind that they got him late

803
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,559
in the summer for the minimum the way they did

804
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:16,519
there because out of all the players right now, you

805
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,039
would have said, like, oh man, you would have liked

806
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,800
to have had this guy in the championship teams. I

807
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400
know Jalen said it about mine not, but I actually

808
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,199
feel that way about Bouchet. Like having him in the

809
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,400
mix the last couple of years when they were trying

810
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,519
to go for the title I think would have been awesome.

811
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:33,199
But I'm glad he's here now and I think he's

812
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:34,599
going to help them out a lot this year.

813
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: I think also if he's able, if you're playing him,

814
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,960
and if you're able to get some minutes from Luca Garza,

815
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,719
does that help out having a like a floor spacing

816
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,039
option at the five, does that help out Josh Mayno

817
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,119
and his offense make it easier to play him?

818
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. They'll play different combinations again, like the

819
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,800
pacer are going to be playing at this year, and

820
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,920
just the small gap and skill between let's say like

821
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,280
five and six on the roster and even like eight, nine,

822
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,480
ten to eleven. Here, you're just gonna see a lot

823
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:03,719
of guys and Joe Joe pointed to that as well

824
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,960
before the last preseason game. Here is they could go

825
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,039
to a deeper rotation than usual. I think Tilman's another guy.

826
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,360
He hit the game winner against Toronto in that one.

827
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,400
He showed to be healthy, effective, and uh, he's probably

828
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,760
their best defender at the five slash four overall. And yeah,

829
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,599
he's a guy a year ago you wondered if he'd

830
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,199
even be back with how physically limited and ineffectively he

831
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,840
played last season. So it's it's been a pleasant surprise

832
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,840
to see him out there doing what he's doing this camp.

833
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Lost twelve pounds, got the knee right, so he's probably

834
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,559
that dynamic too, I'd say. So they have, you know,

835
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,119
four guys in there. Two of them can play the

836
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,039
four if they want to go bigger, who can just

837
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,840
give them minutes there? And obviously you'd like to see

838
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,119
one guy excel and separate himself, and that's Kada, who

839
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,599
I think has the most potential at that spot. But

840
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,360
if it is center by committee, you you're gonna see

841
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,440
a lot of all four of those guys. Is they

842
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:04,000
just try to play the matchup game and see who's

843
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,039
playing well on any given night. Again, maybe this team

844
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,920
starts the same five every night, but they're going to

845
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,920
be going in different directions fast and certainly the closing

846
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,800
lineup is going to be more interesting with this group

847
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,320
than who actually starts these games and any given night.

848
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: What are you looking specifically to see from Keda this

849
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,639
year since it seems like Joe Mazzuola is clearly very

850
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:24,480
invested in him.

851
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to see him be able to

852
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:33,079
stay in these games and play consistently. Like to me,

853
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,239
for the coaching staff, it's like, you know what this

854
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,679
year is. I know you want to be tough on him,

855
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,599
but he's gonna have some highs and lows. You just

856
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,360
got to let him play through it this year. Let

857
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,960
him learn from that and play through highs and lows

858
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:51,800
to get to the other side. Because I think the

859
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,880
other side for him is a guy who can be

860
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,320
a threat around the rim, off the roll, be a

861
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,400
better room protector, and just be a presence out there.

862
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:04,440
And I think we've seen that from him already in

863
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,800
his careers, that he can just fill out space in

864
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,960
that lane, set good screens. I don't know if he's

865
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,480
actually gonna capitalize in this three pointer that he's been

866
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,679
teasing here, but it's intriguing to even see him showing

867
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,920
that in the EuroBasket run there. I mean, I don't

868
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,719
know how much of the euro stuff you watched over

869
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,840
the summer, but there's a guy, the best player, the

870
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,039
guy who's the best player on his national team and

871
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,199
powered them through some really tough games, like they went

872
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:33,760
against Shengun and Turkey and Porzingis and Latvia and even

873
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,559
had a jokicen their group, and you know, he was

874
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,840
battling with those guys and ended up getting them onto

875
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,880
the Portugal to the knockout stage there and doing it

876
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,920
with some big numbers. So I think they're wary of

877
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,800
the fact that some days he's great and some days

878
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,840
he's just not the same. And you see that with him.

879
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:54,400
So I don't think they want to just give him

880
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,039
this pass of saying like, all right, you're the starting center.

881
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,320
Here you go, You're good to go. It's not going

882
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,079
to lose it. I think they want him to have

883
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,400
that sense that if I don't show up on any

884
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,280
given night, I might lose this job. But in all reality,

885
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,400
he's the guy with the potential more than anyone else

886
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,000
to be part of this team. In that next iteration

887
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,559
of you know, the championship contenders there, and he's been

888
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:20,719
around long enough he knows the system well enough, I

889
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,679
think to take this job and run with it, and

890
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,159
it's on him. I hope he does, because so much

891
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,440
of it's just going to be playing with consistent energy,

892
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,559
being in the right positions defensively, and finding ways to

893
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,320
get guys open on offense and obviously get all the

894
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,599
offensive rebounds he can out there, which is the strength

895
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,400
of his game. So I'm excited to see what this

896
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,360
year brings from him. I mentioned it earlier, like who

897
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,079
can you find this year to carry on to the

898
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,920
next championship contending version of this team? And I think

899
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:51,320
the best candidate for that is Keda because you know

900
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,599
they'll probably add some center depth to this team going forward,

901
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:56,400
but he's going to be here. I think he has

902
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,079
one more year on his contract beyond this, and maybe

903
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,000
they can come to some kind of extension too if

904
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
he plays well this year. So he's one of the

905
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,599
big stories to watch this year with this group, obviously,

906
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:10,239
going from fourth string center last year to probably the

907
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,280
starter on this group.

908
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,119
Speaker 1: When you look at sort of the you keep saying

909
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:15,960
center by committee is a perfect way to describe it.

910
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,079
What do you think, just of the collection of players

911
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,519
is their biggest weakness is it kind of the defensive

912
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,320
rebounding when you look at the body types that they

913
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:23,840
have out.

914
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, as well as the room protection. I don't

915
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,679
despite his pedigree, you know, he's one of the all

916
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,599
time leading college shot blockers, I don't feel like Kada

917
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:38,880
gives them consistent protection inside just positionally, you know, And

918
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,880
he's gonna have to guard centers a lot this year,

919
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,320
just straight up. So I don't know how much help

920
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,360
defense he can actually give them in there, just the

921
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,000
way that they're gonna liign this year, So I think

922
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:50,519
that's going to be the question. Like Tilman's a little shorter,

923
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,400
guards is not much of a room protector either. Even

924
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,679
Bouchet he's you know, Slummer and isn't a guy you

925
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,639
ideally want to be playing at the five necessarily. So

926
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,000
they're gonna have to manufacture that They've been one of

927
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:06,320
the best teams that deterring rim shots going back for

928
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,760
you know, pretty much the entirety of Missoulu's coaching ten

929
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,920
years so far here, and that's going to be harder

930
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,599
to do this year. Like even that last preseason game

931
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,760
was like a layup line at times for Toronto, So

932
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:20,079
you know, yes, it's rebounding, it's room protection even on

933
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,639
the perimeter. They have some weaknesses defensively this year, and

934
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,719
I have a few doubts about this team continuing to

935
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,920
score the ball with the personnel that they have. I

936
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,519
think this is the top ten offense, but they might

937
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,320
be fighting to stay out of the bottom ten defensively

938
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,880
this year, and that could swing how the season goes. Like,

939
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,199
if it's a disaster defensively, you're probably talking about the

940
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,880
worst versions of the season. If they can find a

941
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,840
way to be middle of the pack and capable on

942
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,639
that end, you're probably seeing one of the better outcomes

943
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,519
that this team can have here. So it's going to

944
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,320
be constant problem solving at that end, because again, I

945
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,679
like the offensive personnel they have here. Just think of

946
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,400
the guys that went out the door defensively, the holiday

947
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,360
porzingis reached the high level on that end. Horford's been

948
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,079
like their rock on that side of the ball for years,

949
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,920
even Cornett, heady smart defensive anchor. You lost four of

950
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,280
like the hundred best defenders in the league this offseason,

951
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,519
and that's tough to make up for.

952
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: Does the center group have any strengths though that you glom.

953
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Onto rebounding offensively, I think, like.

954
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,599
Speaker 1: That's so funny. That's so funny. Just on defense. The

955
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,079
concern is rebounding on offense.

956
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird, right, Like, I don't know how that

957
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,880
works out, but like just the angles they play at,

958
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,800
how aggressively they crash, taking advantage of other teams who

959
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,840
maybe aren't defending as well. Like they've done a good

960
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,159
job with that for a while, and it showed in

961
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,559
the preseason. Again, I don't have a number in front

962
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,079
of me here, but I think they were probably one

963
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,480
of the better offensive rebounding groups in the preseason here.

964
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,559
So that is weird how that works out, But I

965
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,639
actually do think that's gonna be the strength of that group.

966
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,119
CA great there you know, mine not I think is

967
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,679
going to be impactful. Yeah, they were ninth in offensive

968
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:10,639
rebounding in the preseason. Defensive rebounding they were twenty second,

969
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,199
So there you go.

970
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I think that group when you look at Bouche my

971
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,559
not it's not the center, but he's in there. And

972
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,320
then even having Kada, maybe they'll be like sneaky at

973
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,760
swatting shots on the perimeter. They got we defensively, they've

974
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,079
got some weaknesses defensively on the perimeter. Maybe that'll be

975
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:26,880
a hidden strength of that.

976
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,159
Speaker 2: Bruche is gonna be great. Yeah, when when they were

977
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:32,679
puning him a Sason, I love him. Yeah. I love

978
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:34,639
how he guards the perimeter, and I hope that they

979
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,840
can keep him there. He even said he doesn't like

980
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,719
playing his center as much, so keeping him on the

981
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,320
four side of things there I think will be important.

982
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,760
And that's why it's crucial that Kate is a rock

983
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,119
there and Guardza gives them something so they can keep

984
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,159
Bouchet over at the four. And you know, I thought

985
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,320
when they went to double big in the preseason finale

986
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,159
there the rebounding defensively got a little better obviously, So

987
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,360
I don't love sending Sam Hauser the bench. I mean,

988
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,599
he's a guy we didn't even mention here, but he's

989
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,239
excellent all around now maybe even has another level he

990
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,800
can reach this year. But just what they need on

991
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,079
both ends of the four right now, it probably is

992
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:13,679
important for them to have two bigs on the four.

993
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,239
And you know, bring it back to Tatum, that in

994
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,519
itself is like a massive rebounding defensive loss. I think

995
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,079
everyone thinks of the offense he lose with Tatum, but

996
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,519
they might lose even more from what he brought them

997
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,119
on the defensive side of the four. So Bouchet is

998
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:34,079
not Tatum, but he's at least a similar sized guy

999
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,239
who can shoot and rebound and do similar things at

1000
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,440
that position. So I'm hoping that he ends up getting

1001
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,000
that job. Of course, the starting lineup in the preseason

1002
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,639
finale was White, Richard, Brown, Bouchet, and Cata, and if

1003
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,400
they're all healthy, I would predict that'll be the starting

1004
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000
lineup and opening night against Embiid and Philly there.

1005
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,559
Speaker 1: I meant to ask this earlier, what is an expanded

1006
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:57,119
I don't want to say role because he played twenty

1007
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:58,840
eight plus minutes a game last year, Like, what does

1008
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,360
a scaled up version of Peyton Pritchard now look like

1009
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,519
on this team? Is there something specifically you're watching for?

1010
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: I just want it to be big, Like I think

1011
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:09,880
this could be a massive season for him here potentially,

1012
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,840
because every time he's played in uptick in minutes, I

1013
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,599
feel like we see this higher level version of him,

1014
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:19,559
not say, you know, my co host Noah thinks he

1015
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,119
has all, you know, all star potential. I don't necessarily

1016
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:26,840
see that, but I think he can be close like

1017
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,880
he could be in that conversation. If he's playing a

1018
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,320
lot of minutes and doing a lot of things for

1019
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,400
this team, he's the guy more than anyone. I'm interested

1020
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,039
to see how he handles the extra defensive attention because

1021
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,880
I think he's mostly played in free space off Brown,

1022
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,559
Tatum and others these last couple of years. Here. Last

1023
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,519
year was a breakout season for him off the bench.

1024
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,239
Now he'll be starting. Now he'll be getting those double

1025
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,000
teams in pressure from opponents. So how does it look

1026
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,320
for him when you look in his career when he's

1027
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,800
played thirty to forty minutes so extra opportunity, he's averaged

1028
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:59,440
seventeen four and five. You know, it's pretty good. Like

1029
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,199
if that's the he's going to have here, I think

1030
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,719
he'll take that. When he's played forty plus, which obviously

1031
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,000
were some like you know, garbage games at the end

1032
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,559
of the year, but he's put out twenty nine, ten

1033
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:13,360
and seven in those spots. So this is a guy who,

1034
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,559
if you give him a little more opportunity and shots

1035
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,280
and just responsibility, has taken it and run with it.

1036
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:21,639
So I think there is a world where he has

1037
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,440
the most surprising season on this roster in terms of

1038
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,800
how much better he is than the year previously. So

1039
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,519
I think that's what you're hoping for. I'm not going

1040
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,880
to use the E word and say Isaiah here, but

1041
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,239
I think there are some elements of like Isaiah is

1042
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,280
slowly ramped up toward that level of opportunity that allowed

1043
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,960
him to become the All Star he did by the

1044
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,280
end of his Boston tenure. I don't think that's going

1045
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,320
to happen for Pritchard here, but it might be something

1046
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,159
reminiscent of that, where he just continues to get more

1047
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:52,800
and more responsibility and does more and more with it,

1048
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,000
and then you look up and it's like, well, look

1049
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,480
at what Peyton Pritchard's doing. So he had a massive offseason.

1050
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,519
He always does working out and do some of these

1051
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,880
drills and stuff, and you know the ways he improves

1052
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,159
himself here in and year out. I'm excited about and

1053
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,679
I think he's one of the big big strainths of

1054
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,119
this roster this year going in is that you have

1055
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,559
this two guard who's this level of a shooter, this versatile,

1056
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:20,039
and this ever improving. I'm super he might be what

1057
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,960
I'm more excited about this year than anything else, because

1058
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,159
you saw what he did last year. Now it's like,

1059
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:26,880
can you take that to another level? And I think

1060
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,239
he can.

1061
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: He's number two on my list behind just seeing Derek

1062
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,840
White on this team because I think that, I mean

1063
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,800
the defensive attention he's gonna be fine with because you

1064
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,480
can do more stuff in a crowded lane than I

1065
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,960
think people from credit for like getting defenders on his hip.

1066
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,039
I think does scoring opportunities in transition or this opportunity

1067
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,000
will always be there with the way that he fights

1068
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,320
for rebounds. I hadn't considered could he become an All Star,

1069
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,159
but in my mind I had. It just wouldn't shock

1070
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:51,920
me if we looked up this year and Peyton Pritchard's

1071
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,320
averaging twenty point six assists in like six rebounds or something,

1072
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,119
which would probably be numbers that would get you in

1073
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,840
that conversation. It's not unlike we've seen with Derek White

1074
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,920
in the past.

1075
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and those two will be balancing each

1076
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,239
other a little bit. It was interesting in camp because

1077
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,960
like you could have this conversation with all three of them,

1078
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,840
including Brown, like what more can they do this year?

1079
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,840
With Tatum out how high of a level could any

1080
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,760
of those guys reach too, And I think each of

1081
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,239
them could have made that the conversation in camp. Jalen

1082
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,719
in particular, who has talked throughout his career about how

1083
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,559
he's had to sacrifice, how he's been in Tatum's shadow

1084
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,079
a little bit, and how he's had to make it

1085
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,119
work for this team to win, and he went the

1086
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:33,760
other way like, maybe I'll just focus on defense a

1087
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,039
little more this year. I'm going to focus on getting

1088
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,960
some guys involved. It's not going to be about me

1089
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,880
this season. And I thought that was interesting to hear

1090
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,000
on media day from him. Prichard similarly was like, if

1091
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:45,480
I need to come off the bench for this team,

1092
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,519
I'll do it. And you heard similar things from White,

1093
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,559
who even said, like, when I've put too much pressure

1094
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,039
on myself in the past to do more in these

1095
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:56,000
spots where it looks like that's the expectation, I actually

1096
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,000
haven't done well with that. So I'm still willing to

1097
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
playoff the ball. I'm still willing to just spit in

1098
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:03,480
and be a piece rather than have this expectation that

1099
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,119
I'm going to be scoring more and doing more. And

1100
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,199
fortunately for him, that just happened naturally for him in

1101
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,719
the preseason. I mean when you pull up the stats here,

1102
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,400
it's kind of crazy what he did, you know, especially

1103
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,920
in that last game, but really through the entire preseason slate,

1104
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,239
he just looked excellent. I think you could come away

1105
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,559
from these four games here and say, like pertru I mean,

1106
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,559
White was the story of the preseason. Twenty two points

1107
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,920
a game, eleven three point attempts per game only came

1108
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,360
in at thirty percent, but that should be higher. And

1109
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,800
in the regular season six rebounds, seven assists and only

1110
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,880
one point seven turnovers per game alongside the three blocks.

1111
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,239
And he's obviously one of the best shot blockers at

1112
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,360
that position in the league. So yeah, you were well

1113
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,360
within the right to be most excited about Derek White.

1114
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the Cookie Cutter Slash Lightning

1115
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,159
Round portion of the podcast? Sir, We've talked a lot

1116
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,639
about the weaknesses, But what is the single biggest weakness

1117
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,760
to you looking at this row right now?

1118
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: Probably defensive rebounding. What is the single biggest strength of

1119
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,719
the roster, probably three point shooting.

1120
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,119
Speaker 1: And is there something about this team that you think

1121
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,599
is kind of flying under the radar that deserves more

1122
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,400
attention Overall?

1123
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, the coaching. I think this team's

1124
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,840
going to coach its ass off, like Joe. The staff.

1125
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,199
How they manage this roster and get the best out

1126
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:34,880
of them, I think is actually going to be one

1127
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,960
of the bigger stories around them after it went under

1128
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,039
the radar a little bit the last couple of years.

1129
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 1: Okay, So, if I'm asking you to build a ten

1130
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,880
man rotation, who are your five starters and who do

1131
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,920
you think end up being the five most used reserves?

1132
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, White, Prichard, Brown, Bouchet, Cata to

1133
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:59,679
start off the bench, I'd say Simons, guards might not

1134
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:07,199
at least right now. Hint of Gonzales, and I don't

1135
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,559
want to leave anybody out there. But did I say, Howser.

1136
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: I think you had him in the starting lineup? Did

1137
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:14,960
you not?

1138
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: No? No, no, I had Buche and Cadas, so bench would

1139
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,440
be Garza, Hauser Min not Simon's and let's go Uga.

1140
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: I think've seen more of Gonzales this team more than most.

1141
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,199
I feel like this is very matchup dependent, or maybe

1142
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,239
it's vibes dependent on how Joe Zula is feeling that day.

1143
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,920
But what do you think will be their most used

1144
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,320
Crunch Time lineup.

1145
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: Ooh, it's definitely gonna be one big So let's say Bouchet, Pritchard, White, Brown,

1146
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:53,719
and Hawser.

1147
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: That is a lot of I love that lineup. I

1148
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,920
think that's I'd be curious what the defense looks like.

1149
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:01,719
But I might say that about every single lineup you

1150
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,400
throw out there.

1151
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was tempted to say Simon's maybe three guards,

1152
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,400
but they can only go so small this season, right, Is.

1153
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: There a weirdo wack a doodle lineup you want to

1154
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,559
see Joe Mizula try this year?

1155
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: Probably the three guards? Yeah, White, Pritchard, Simon's out there together,

1156
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,239
you know, throwing Hawser and Mouchet and it's like, whoa,

1157
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,559
there's just shooting everywhere here. They can get some lineups

1158
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,840
this year that are just going to have ridiculous amounts

1159
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,440
of shooting, and can they make up for the defensive

1160
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,760
and rebounding deficiencies that come with that. That's when you

1161
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,400
really start to talk about this team being an elite

1162
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,079
shooting group, and a lot of that's going to be Jalen,

1163
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,079
Like Jalen's going to be more physical, going to be

1164
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,320
more of a rebounding force, got to be more of

1165
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,960
a defensive stopper this year to make this whole thing work.

1166
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,000
So that's another reason I'm excited to see him enter

1167
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,840
this year with that approach, because he almost had. He's

1168
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,880
their star, but he almost has to be their glue

1169
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,920
guy too to just make all this work. And that's

1170
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480
what Tatum did in the number one role for this group.

1171
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: Before I I asked you to make a couple of predictions.

1172
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,679
Is there anything else about this team we haven't talked

1173
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:05,440
about that you think needs to be discussed?

1174
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:13,079
Speaker 2: No, nothing about this team specifically. I'm trying to see

1175
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:15,079
if we missed a player. Like I said, I think

1176
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,920
Howser is worthy of a mention. He's sort of just

1177
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,800
viewed as Howser sometimes, like he's just gonna be who

1178
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,559
he is. But he has been super steady these last

1179
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,000
handful of years here, and just like White, just like uh,

1180
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,320
you know, Jalen and even Pritchard. There's going to be

1181
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,039
a lot of demand around the league for a guy

1182
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:34,880
like that, and how much can they counteract that by

1183
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,760
having a good season and position themselves for the future

1184
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,280
with what they have here. That's another way they could

1185
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,199
potentially shed salary here along the way is is Howser

1186
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,400
potentially going out the door, but you really don't want

1187
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,480
to do that if you don't have to hear, because

1188
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:52,119
I think he is one of their bigger straints and

1189
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,599
more certain players going to this year in terms of

1190
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,079
what he's going to give you and can he even

1191
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,280
do a little bit more. I think that's an underrated

1192
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,039
thing too, play making off the dribble and attacking close

1193
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,400
outs defensively. He's come such a long way. I don't

1194
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,159
think he gets enough appreciation from Celtics fans just how

1195
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,079
good he's become since he started here.

1196
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: Moving him would be weird just because he doesn't get

1197
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,960
you out of the tacks, and so then it's, ah,

1198
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,079
we still have to move another player, and their payrolls

1199
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:23,119
already kind of just like Top Heavy, where it feels

1200
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:24,840
like the four floor sort of falls out.

1201
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,639
Speaker 2: The Niang trade might have saved him like that, getting

1202
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,280
off Niang the way they did might have Like those

1203
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,320
were two guys who are making about the same money

1204
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,440
doing the same thing. So I thought that was an

1205
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,000
important move, a nice bailout probably from Utah that they

1206
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:38,400
were able to get off that for nothing.

1207
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: So how many games do you have this team winning,

1208
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,880
and where do you think they land just kind of

1209
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,519
in the grander scheme of the East.

1210
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: So I have them at forty five, which is where

1211
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,719
like that ESPN projection was more or less a lot

1212
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,400
of that's health, Like this could go lower if they're

1213
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,639
not healthy, if Jalen's out to start the year, like

1214
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,920
we mentioned, like you're already taking a hit there, I imagine.

1215
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,800
So you know, if I if we were doing like

1216
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,119
an over under thing, I actually would go under because

1217
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,400
I think there's more scenarios that can happen for this

1218
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:10,800
team to come in below expectations rather than like a

1219
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,880
million things happening that push them the fifty plus wins

1220
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,800
here other than just teams capsizing in the East. Certainly

1221
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,039
that's happened already with some of the injuries have taken

1222
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:25,480
place around the conference already. But I think forty five

1223
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:29,239
is fair. That puts you around seven based off last

1224
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,480
year's standings, and if you win another game or two,

1225
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,519
steal a game here or there, you are in that

1226
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,480
sixty conversation with a handful of other teams. Yeah, I

1227
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,719
had Miami there before the preseason. I'm a little lower

1228
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,280
on them now. I'm probably getting a little higher on

1229
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,519
Milwaukee as I start to think more and more about

1230
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:51,559
what that might look like, and you yeah, and then

1231
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:54,199
you know Indiana, like I felt great about their ability

1232
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:57,480
to sustain this Aliburn thing, just based off Carlisle's coaching

1233
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,760
and the way they played through having him and others

1234
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,599
missing in the past, but then McConnell goes down. I

1235
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:07,400
don't love that for them, and the center situation there

1236
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,840
is somewhat suspect as well, just like in Boston, So

1237
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,320
I am a little lower on them now as well.

1238
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,679
I love Detroit still, I love in Diana what they did,

1239
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,679
and Orlando, to me is going to have the biggest

1240
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,679
jump of anyone in the East. But I don't think

1241
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,119
there's anything as long as they're fully healthy stopping Boston

1242
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:27,199
from coming in at six maybe seven.

1243
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, even as we're recording this, because

1244
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,519
you made this point before we hopped out about the

1245
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:36,079
East just being like this maze of murkiness. The Pistons

1246
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,360
just lost Jay and Ivy for at least four weeks.

1247
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: So crazy, what's going on? Like every day someone's losing

1248
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,000
someone and the Celtics sustained that right up until that

1249
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,320
Jalen thing. Yesterday as we record this, So I mean

1250
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,480
they went from having the fewest injuries aside from Tatum,

1251
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:52,840
of a lot of these middling teams to suddenly having

1252
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,199
the biggest here potentially of all the middling teams. But

1253
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:59,320
you know, poking around today, early indications I'm hearing there

1254
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,440
is that not a massive amount of concern about the

1255
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,599
Jalen injury, but we obviously won't know until practice tomorrow,

1256
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:07,400
so we'll see what happens there.

1257
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: I will admit either over under when we did it

1258
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,199
was forty one and a half, and I just went

1259
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,719
under because I'm convinced this team is just not going

1260
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,000
to like go after it. Don't even know if it's

1261
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,639
I feel like they're gonna be worse than expected. I

1262
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:21,840
just don't think that's the priority this year. I think

1263
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,159
it's getting back there next year. And maybe I'll just

1264
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:26,679
be flat out wrong, especially if so many teams end

1265
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,159
up dealing with injuries and they're relatively healthy, which brings

1266
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,079
me my next question. Let's remove Jason Tatum from the equation.

1267
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,320
Is there like one of the better teams, prospective playoff

1268
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,280
teams in the East that you still feel like Boston

1269
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,960
is an interesting matchup for.

1270
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,199
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other day just because

1271
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,039
of where they might finish, But Cleveland to me, like,

1272
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:52,039
let's say it is Boston Cleveland round one. That's been

1273
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,400
a tough matchup for the Calves, even going back to

1274
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,440
their series a couple of years ago. Calves haven't been

1275
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,559
super healthy in the late stages of their playoff runs

1276
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,000
through this whole Mitchell era, and I feel like the

1277
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:06,920
Celtics have played them well. And let's say Tatum is

1278
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,719
back in the mix, then like you could be in

1279
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,039
an interesting situation come playoff time where the Celtics are

1280
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,880
like seven or eight and they're going up against like

1281
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,760
the Knicks, who are you know, I have a lot

1282
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,639
of respect for where the Knicks are at roster wise

1283
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:21,400
right now, But let's say it's the Calves or even

1284
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,880
the Magic who the Celtics beat round one a year ago.

1285
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,599
In five you might have a weird playoff series there

1286
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:30,559
where it's like, all right, Magic Calves, whoever that is

1287
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,960
was better all year long. But now it's like that

1288
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,760
Celtics team that's always here and always seems to win

1289
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,519
and has Brown and Tatum intact and is hitting their

1290
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:42,000
stride going into the playoffs. I think that could be

1291
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,280
one of the more interesting outcomes of the season if

1292
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,039
that's where they end up, because all of a sudden,

1293
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:49,000
like you might have one of those series where it's like,

1294
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:51,440
all right, you would think the Magic and Calves are

1295
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,440
favorites here, but a lot of people are actually gonna

1296
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,760
be picking the Celtics because of where they are, you know,

1297
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,679
at this point in the season, and what they've done

1298
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:01,519
in the playoffs before. So that would be the ideal

1299
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,639
scenario for them, I think, is going up against one

1300
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:08,280
of those higher end teams. That's not the next I'm

1301
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,880
still taking the Knicks out of the East as I

1302
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:12,960
continue to think about it here, it's where I just

1303
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,920
went by default. And the more and more I see

1304
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,880
how Brown's handling the early stages of their camp and

1305
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,639
the roster they have, which I like a lot, I

1306
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:25,320
think this might be the year they actually capitalize and

1307
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,400
get to the finals. Right now, like, I love what

1308
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,519
they have, even that run they went on last year

1309
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,559
with Snake bitting a little bit and the East Finals

1310
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:36,119
were tough with some injuries and other things that went on,

1311
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:42,360
but new coach Fresh Voice a couple of nice depth

1312
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:46,239
editions there, including Yabu, who I love. I still lean

1313
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:49,960
New York in this conference and obviously based off how

1314
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,840
it went last spring, wouldn't love a Celtics Knicks matchup

1315
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,119
Brown one?

1316
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: Can I get one additional Celtics prediction for you from

1317
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,239
the season? It could be whatever you want.

1318
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:05,239
Speaker 2: It to be. Oo hmm, let's see.

1319
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: You want to go Peyton Pritchard for the All Star

1320
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,920
for the All Star team? Make or you said your

1321
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,760
co host Noah, make your co host Noah happy.

1322
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,719
Speaker 2: I can't go that far with him. I guess I

1323
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,199
would join you on Derek Island and say he'll be

1324
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:23,119
in that conversation and might even get there. I could

1325
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:23,880
see if for sure?

1326
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: Is it so much an island as a planet?

1327
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I don't think there's anyone who doesn't like

1328
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,320
Derek quite. Derek White All Star Island is what I

1329
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,079
should have called it.

1330
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,079
Speaker 1: Uh, wouldn't I favor that prediction? I think that's a

1331
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:42,239
good one. This was great, Bobby. I'm now higher on

1332
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,519
the Celtics than I was when we started, which happens

1333
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,760
all the time, which means that your insight was awesome

1334
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,920
and is already making me rethink predictions I already made

1335
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:51,800
but before I let you go, can you just let

1336
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,280
our listeners know, audience know where they can find you

1337
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,360
and all the great work that you do.

1338
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelingismedia dot com, the Gardener Reporter as you set

1339
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:02,159
up the top if we go live after every Celtics

1340
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,480
game and it's a fun time, great insight as well

1341
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,079
as laughs. Stealing us media for all of our video

1342
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,880
content as the year goes on. Then you can read

1343
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,480
me occasionally on Boston Sports Journal dot com as well

1344
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,519
as Celtics Blog dot com too. So keep pretty busy

1345
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,440
over here into year six. And I'm excited to get gone.

1346
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,679
Speaker 1: And now do you have an agent in case anyone

1347
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,280
wants to sign you? Do a ten day after that

1348
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,400
scrimmage against the Celtics coaching staff.

1349
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't score, so I don't think I'll be

1350
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,239
on the radar. It'll be the two people who actually

1351
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,880
did I think who'll get the looks there. But man,

1352
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,960
that was awesome. Even just getting a shoot on that

1353
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,920
four was pretty cool to start the day, and then

1354
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:41,079
to play on the court would have been cool. And

1355
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:43,760
then the actually play against that staff and some guys who,

1356
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,800
like you know, these weren't NBA players buying larger than

1357
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,119
Phil Pressy. But you know these are you know it's

1358
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,320
a Neil Jefferson. We all watched him on Duke and

1359
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:56,000
you know Deshaun Butlin Missoula from the West Virginia teams

1360
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:00,000
and these were some high level players. And the level

1361
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:03,719
they reached that day maybe going like eighty ninety percent hard.

1362
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:07,400
I can't even imagine what the NBA intensity is like.

1363
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,639
Speaker 1: This was great, Bobby, Thank you so much, And as

1364
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:14,599
you know by now, I will be pestering you again

1365
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:15,280
in the future.

1366
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:18,559
Speaker 2: Well do man appreciate you me and anytime