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Speaker 4: And without any further ado, let's bring on. Today's guest
Speaker 4: joining me from Pennsylvania is John. John, how are you
Speaker 4: doing today, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, George, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for a green to come on.
Speaker 4: And I know it's been a while. Uh it's I'm
Speaker 4: just glad to finally get you on the podcast and
Speaker 4: share your story. And with that being said, why don't
Speaker 4: you go ahead and tell the audience a little bit
Speaker 4: about yourself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I am thirty eight years old. I live in
Speaker 1: southeastern Pennsylvania, right outside of Philadelphia, born and raised. You know,
Speaker 1: I am a married father of a ten year old
Speaker 1: girl and a seven year old boy. So you know,
Speaker 1: I have my hands full, man, just trying to run
Speaker 1: the rat race. You know, I had a pretty normal
Speaker 1: upbringing to parent household. I went to Catholic school as
Speaker 1: a child. You know, ironically, I don't think we opened
Speaker 1: our Bibles once in Catholic school through grade eight, and
Speaker 1: then I went to public school for high school.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting. I mean that shouldn't be glossed over.
Speaker 4: You were in a private Catholic school from most eight
Speaker 4: years and you rarely opened a Bible. You know. I
Speaker 4: went to a private school in Wilmington, Delaware, just you know,
Speaker 4: half an hour south of you, and we had a
Speaker 4: Bible Bible class every day, and I think Wednesdays we
Speaker 4: had chapel. That that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: School is. I think it's a step better than the
Speaker 1: public education system for sure. But you know, the religious
Speaker 1: curriculum there is very word of mouth. You're just expected to,
Speaker 1: you know, take everything at face value that you hear.
Speaker 1: In Catholic grade school, you know, we went to church
Speaker 1: once a month, we made our sacraments, communion, confession, confirmation.
Speaker 1: But you know, trying to like, you know, think of
Speaker 1: my earliest moment of actually believing I was going to
Speaker 1: spend eternity with Jesus. That definitely didn't come to later
Speaker 1: in life. Yeah, I think we never opened our bibles
Speaker 1: once in Catholic school, it was just a religious curriculum
Speaker 1: where you know, we learned about saying and we learned
Speaker 1: about you know, faith through works.
Speaker 4: Basically gotch that is interesting indeed. And then you went
Speaker 4: to a public high school.
Speaker 1: I went to a public high school. Yeah, so pretty
Speaker 1: normal experience there. You know, I played sports, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of just blended in with my circle of friends.
Speaker 1: I was a pretty decent student. I was one of
Speaker 1: those students that didn't have to study too much to
Speaker 1: do well on tests. Took a lot of advanced classes
Speaker 1: once I got into my junior and senior year, though,
Speaker 1: I think my social life and partying kind of took
Speaker 1: precedents over you know, school work. So you know, I
Speaker 1: was expected to go to college, and you know I was.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, all set to go, and you know,
Speaker 1: I spent a year at Westchester University here in southeast Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: but quickly quickly realized that my passions were you know,
Speaker 1: not school work for sure, So you know, very quickly
Speaker 1: decided that that college wasn't for me and took to working.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's fair. I think most young men,
Speaker 4: especially when you get to high school, the studies kind
Speaker 4: of fall back to the wayside, and social life and
Speaker 4: girls and those other things kind of take precedence. I
Speaker 4: think that's completely normal, one hundred percent, and I think
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people out there. I didn't go
Speaker 4: to college till later in life. I personally, and I'm
Speaker 4: just speaking for myself, I couldn't. I enjoyed the experience
Speaker 4: of being in school and the friends and the I
Speaker 4: played soccer and baseball, and you know, the sporting side
Speaker 4: of it. But being in a chair for eight hours
Speaker 4: a day and just waiting for the bell to ring
Speaker 4: for me was torture. It wasn't. The actual education side
Speaker 4: of it wasn't pleasant. When I used to have conversations
Speaker 4: with my grandfather and how their school day was, and
Speaker 4: it was based around tending to the field first, and
Speaker 4: then they'd go to school for a few hours to
Speaker 4: come back and work because they had to feed themselves.
Speaker 4: They didn't go to the grocery store. It was a
Speaker 4: different world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you learned how to survive before you you know,
Speaker 1: figured out what you're calling was in life. I think
Speaker 1: that's a big problem today is you know, we're just
Speaker 1: we're just groomed from the get go to to kind
Speaker 1: of run through the public education system and you know,
Speaker 1: either either do a trade or get in get into college.
Speaker 1: And you know, college these days is such a joke.
Speaker 1: I mean, you put yourself in monumental amounts of debt
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, half the time, these kids don't
Speaker 1: even know what they want to do.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. I mean I didn't know what I
Speaker 4: wanted to do when I was seventeen or eighteen, you know,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, you know my professional I'm a financial analyst, uh,
Speaker 1: you know for a pretty large company, which you know,
Speaker 1: I basically work my way through you know, experience to
Speaker 1: get to the role on that now, you know, and
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, maybe eventually I'll go back to
Speaker 1: school and get a relevant degree. But I you know,
Speaker 1: my advice to a lot of young folks would be to,
Speaker 1: you know, just get some real world experience first, see
Speaker 1: see what you're good at.
Speaker 4: That's a great that's great advice. That is really great advice.
Speaker 4: You mentioned that I think it was around twenty eighteen
Speaker 4: is when you started to be familiar with flat earth.
Speaker 4: Between you know, high school and twenty eighteen, were there
Speaker 4: any events when you think back that kind of raised
Speaker 4: red flags as to what we are taught versus what
Speaker 4: you perceived in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my first rebellion was really with you know,
Speaker 1: had I had a mother that wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that we went to Mass every weekend. And you know,
Speaker 1: once I got to like, you know, my early teenage years,
Speaker 1: that became a fight. It was like, why you know
Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't getting anything from it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: at that point in my life, you know, like you
Speaker 1: mentioned that the social aspect earls the sports, just the
Speaker 1: atteening status among your peers. You know that that is
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of my priority at that time. So
Speaker 1: you know, I really didn't think twice about my faith.
Speaker 1: You know, towards my later teenage years of my early twenties,
Speaker 1: I fell into addiction to alcohol. So I spent many
Speaker 1: years basically you know, living a hard and fast life,
Speaker 1: you know, not taking care of myself. And you know,
Speaker 1: I finally, you know, I worked at a local YMCA,
Speaker 1: and you know my boss there, you know twenty at
Speaker 1: this point in time, twenty years ago, he slowly became
Speaker 1: my best friend. He was a mentor to me. He
Speaker 1: knew I needed you know, he's about fifteen years my senior.
Speaker 1: So you know, he saw a lot, I guess, a
Speaker 1: lot of himself and me, and he basically called it,
Speaker 1: he called what would happen in my life before it
Speaker 1: would happen, you know, wrecking cars, you know, getting completely
Speaker 1: addicted to alcohol, needing to go to rehab. He told
Speaker 1: me I was heading down that path well before it happened.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened, George. So you know, I
Speaker 1: guess probably in the late two thousands, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, probably I you know, I mean
Speaker 1: my first attempt to get clean from from alcohol. And
Speaker 1: it was around that time that you know, I happened
Speaker 1: to just be out with, you know, the gentleman who
Speaker 1: was my boss the why. His name's Jim and he's
Speaker 1: now probably my closest and dearest friend. We were out
Speaker 1: doing some volunteer work in a Baptist church out in
Speaker 1: you know, out in the Downingtown towards Lancaster area in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were just top of them with
Speaker 1: some repairs in the facility they were going to use
Speaker 1: for basically a Christian school, and one of the young
Speaker 1: kids there, pulled me aside and asked me if I
Speaker 1: was sived. I said, what do you mean? And he said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, do you know that you're going to spend
Speaker 1: eternity with Jesus? I said, I said, I'm Catholic. You know,
Speaker 1: I made all my sacraments. He's like nine, he took
Speaker 1: the time. This was probably a twelve year old kid.
Speaker 1: I'm about twenty years old. I'm completely oblivious to everything.
Speaker 1: And he pulled me aside and he showed me the
Speaker 1: black and white and the Bible kind of let me
Speaker 1: down Roman's road. And that's when it hit me, like
Speaker 1: a sack of bricks. I realized that, you know, I
Speaker 1: was wrong that whole time. So you know, I quickly
Speaker 1: accepted Christ. You know, I said the Sinner's prayer, and
Speaker 1: you know that's when I really feel like the spirit
Speaker 1: of discernment came upon me. So I say all that
Speaker 1: basically to get back to your question of I feel
Speaker 1: like once I was saved, I started to become more
Speaker 1: aware of my surroundings, what I was absorbing, what society,
Speaker 1: societal norms where I was expected to would here too.
Speaker 1: I I want to say, like, like conspiracy theories always
Speaker 1: interested me from the time I was, you know, a
Speaker 1: young adult until present. So, you know, the moon landing,
Speaker 1: I think way back in the early two thousands, I
Speaker 1: think even like Fox twenty nine, Fox at Night had
Speaker 1: had a show about that we really landed the Moon,
Speaker 1: and they presented pretty pretty substantial evidence at that point
Speaker 1: in time and on mainstream TV, which was enough for
Speaker 1: me to be like, yeah, we didn't go no. But
Speaker 1: between that and then I went down the you know,
Speaker 1: the nine to eleven rabbit hole, and you know, Jeff
Speaker 1: Field doesn't know steel beams. You know, if you if
Speaker 1: you watch the actual footage of the buildings collapsing, you
Speaker 1: see the deatonation charges going off, you know, the flashing
Speaker 1: all throughout the structure.
Speaker 4: You know, ships coming out the windows, the gentleman on
Speaker 4: the bottom who came out who you know, heard the
Speaker 4: explosions at the ground floor, in the basement level, and
Speaker 4: just everything about it. You know, if there's one or
Speaker 4: two coincidences, that's one thing, But I mean there's hundreds
Speaker 4: of them, and it's just everything from Building seven to
Speaker 4: all the documents affiliated to Enron and the Oklahoma City
Speaker 4: Building and a lot of financial crimes committed those documents
Speaker 4: were in Building seven. Lucky Larry Silverstein.
Speaker 1: It just took out his insurance policy. Yeah, and you know, he.
Speaker 4: Just happened to have a skin doctor's appointment that day.
Speaker 4: It's just and the same with everything else. And the
Speaker 4: thing that gets me going back to the moon landing,
Speaker 4: there's a post that always pops up on social media,
Speaker 4: and that's the moon rover, which had like two lawn
Speaker 4: shares and four Michelin tires. And I forget the price. Dog.
Speaker 4: I don't want to quote it because I know it's wrong,
Speaker 4: but it's an insane amount of money for what they charge,
Speaker 4: which for you could probably build a with Junkyard material
Speaker 4: for probably five hundred dollars and that really goes to
Speaker 4: show and you know, my gosh, it's really hard to
Speaker 4: pin point one thing, one lie, one deceit that we
Speaker 4: we are fed on a daily basis and try to
Speaker 4: pin it down. But the amount of money that goes
Speaker 4: to NASA and to all these just black holes, it's
Speaker 4: just absurd.
Speaker 1: That's definitely, you know, the the NASA budgets definitely where
Speaker 1: you know, you hear you hear of the you know,
Speaker 1: the black budget that that money we're given a NASA
Speaker 1: definitely gets allocated for their their projects, but that disappears
Speaker 1: into uh, you know, enriching the real powers that be
Speaker 1: in the world for.
Speaker 4: Sure, one hundred percent with money comes power and then
Speaker 4: that you know, that's how these these families, these few people,
Speaker 4: whether it be the military, medical, or oil industrial complex.
Speaker 4: Uh via Vanguarden black Rock has just bought up ninety
Speaker 4: percent of the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to the Moon landing, I mean you
Speaker 1: look at the loun you know, the lunar lander, just
Speaker 1: pieces of duct tape and tinfoil with a couple of
Speaker 1: metal spokes at the bottom. You know, you watch that
Speaker 1: thing take off. They have you know, the little sparklers
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Like it's like, you know, we're led
Speaker 1: to believe that that thing used the Moon's gravity to
Speaker 1: wrap around and launch back to Earth precisely and land
Speaker 1: in the ocean. You know, you know, you look at
Speaker 1: the thing just like just like the rover you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the thing looks like a total like a five year
Speaker 1: old put it together in our class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the thing. Maybe in sixty nine and
Speaker 4: seventy two, you know, CGI and everything was so terrible
Speaker 4: that people bought it. But looking back, now especially. I
Speaker 4: think the one we talked about, the Lunar Lander, the
Speaker 4: one where it goes, I think that one was from
Speaker 4: seventy two. It looks like something out of a terrible
Speaker 4: nineteen fifties B movie, and we still just eat it
Speaker 4: up and people defend it staunchly. As to this day.
Speaker 1: It's infuriating. It's so hard that you just want to
Speaker 1: shake people. You know, Nixon said it himself. He said
Speaker 1: Americans won't believe anything until they see it on TV.
Speaker 4: So I just googled it because I wanted to fact
Speaker 4: check myself. That moon Rover cost four hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: million dollars.
Speaker 1: Buy an island for that.
Speaker 4: Four hundred and fifty This is in nineteen sixty nine, John,
Speaker 4: When you.
Speaker 1: Go that's billions of dollars in today's money.
Speaker 4: That didn't cost more than five hundred dollars to put
Speaker 4: together an upside down umbrella, some tires, a frame from
Speaker 4: a car, lawn chair seats and they and some gold
Speaker 4: spray pant or whatever they use. And again, back in
Speaker 4: the day, it was black and white, so that it
Speaker 4: didn't really have to go you know, beyond and above
Speaker 4: to to make it look you know, colorful or anything
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know teachers, you know, kids were seeing
Speaker 1: it in the classroom. The phone call is my favorite part,
Speaker 1: you know, the phone call the Nixon when they're on
Speaker 1: the moon. Yeah, with the technology they had then, and
Speaker 1: then and then the uh you know, poor cameraman we
Speaker 1: left up there for to watch the lander teak back
Speaker 1: off and head back to Earth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he should have got a medal of
Speaker 4: honor or something. You know, I never hear his name mentioned.
Speaker 4: It's just astonishing to me, poor guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can barely broadcast you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: states away today, yet you know, we sent a wireless
Speaker 1: television signal from the moon two hundred two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand miles away, exactly.
Speaker 4: It is absurd. Now, I think you've mentioned that your mentor,
Speaker 4: he was the one that actually started telling you about
Speaker 4: flood Earth, right or at least yeah.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, So he's been telling me for probably six
Speaker 1: years now. And you know I was. I was into
Speaker 1: every single conspiracy out there, George I. I you know,
Speaker 1: I I've realized nine to eleven. I realized the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City bombing, I realized the moon landing. You know, probably
Speaker 1: about fifteen years ago, my dad had me sit down
Speaker 1: and watch like a little a little YouTube video on
Speaker 1: the basically the history of Fiat currency and the whole rothschild,
Speaker 1: you know, involvement in developing our money system today. And
Speaker 1: you know that clicked to me like crazy. The next
Speaker 1: one was, remember when Zeitgeist came out on Netflix? Yes,
Speaker 1: around that time, I was about fifteen or so years ago,
Speaker 1: maybe a little longer. At that point in time, Netflix
Speaker 1: had some gold on there, absolutely old truth material, and
Speaker 1: I remember watching one. It was about JFK. It was
Speaker 1: I the title escapes me, but I basically it threw
Speaker 1: it drew the lines that that rolled right up to H. W.
Speaker 1: Bush as as basically the the mastermind behind it all
Speaker 1: absolutely and what his daddy, Prescott funded both sides of
Speaker 1: World War two.
Speaker 4: Indeed.
Speaker 1: So you know, so I was, I was in tune
Speaker 1: with truth. But I remember Jim telling me. You know,
Speaker 1: he asked me if I know about the Firmament. That's
Speaker 1: around twenty eighteen, and I said no. He said, well,
Speaker 1: read your Bible. He said, it's on the first page.
Speaker 1: I remember reading it. At the time, I just texting,
Speaker 1: I'm asking him what he's talking about and you know,
Speaker 1: that's when he kind of went into the truth about
Speaker 1: the Earth being flat, and you know, I wrote him off.
Speaker 1: I thought he was trolling me, you know, for years.
Speaker 1: I spent the next six years up until last fall,
Speaker 1: basically awake to every truth out there except the true
Speaker 1: nature of our realm, you know, the whole COVID thing that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Q conspiracy, well, the Q, the Q movement. Basically,
Speaker 1: you know, I was pretty awake to that relatively quickly.
Speaker 1: You know what that really was just a sy oh
Speaker 1: but you know so anyway, I spent the last six
Speaker 1: years basically still still being a big fan of space.
Speaker 1: I love those documents enteries that talk about you know,
Speaker 1: quasars and pulsars and black holes and you know, you
Speaker 1: name it. I eate it right up. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was. It was probably a combination of
Speaker 1: you know, my friend continuing to just try to get
Speaker 1: me to wake up. But the moment I had my
Speaker 1: epiphany was October seventh of last year. You know, how
Speaker 1: many times have we heard Israel basically brag about how
Speaker 1: secure their country is. You know, they can pick up
Speaker 1: a cockroach with their you know, with their security systems
Speaker 1: at their borders, and we're led to believe that a
Speaker 1: couple hundred you know, Hamas terrorists with you know, motorized
Speaker 1: hang gliders and AK forty seven's were able to get
Speaker 1: in there, and you know, cause havoc. Like I watched
Speaker 1: that in unfold in real time, and I think that
Speaker 1: was just the final spark that just clicked in my head.
Speaker 1: I said, these people lie about everything, yep. And that
Speaker 1: kind of opened me up a little more to kind
Speaker 1: kind of there's nowhere else to go. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: spend a little more time diving down the you know,
Speaker 1: the Earth is not a ball. And it didn't take
Speaker 1: me long. You know, I probably the first material I
Speaker 1: probably watched where Eric Debay's truths you know that that
Speaker 1: Earth is not a spinning globe. You know, some of
Speaker 1: the materials Sean Hibler put together the Level movies, the
Speaker 1: one that the one I really ate up well, the
Speaker 1: one that really opened my eyes, I should say, was
Speaker 1: you familiar with you are on?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He put together about an eight hour long yep. But
Speaker 1: then there was a sequel where he did What on
Speaker 1: Earth Happened, which was all about the uh basically the
Speaker 1: Tartarian conspiracy and went a little deeper into you know,
Speaker 1: the Lost History and whatnot. But the thing with him
Speaker 1: that that really got me. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever watched those to the end, when in the last
Speaker 1: five minutes, after you're sixteen hours invested into it, he
Speaker 1: basically goes, I have a confession and make I've been
Speaker 1: lying this whole time, you know, and I need to
Speaker 1: for my sins.
Speaker 7: And you're like, what, yeah, that was at the end
Speaker 7: of the second one, right, that was at the end
Speaker 7: of the second one, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean everything everything he presented like I knew and
Speaker 1: my gut was right, and then and then at the
Speaker 1: very end, it's like somebody put a gun to his head,
Speaker 1: say it's a lie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's so interesting. And he doesn't put out
Speaker 4: like a lot of that I know of maybe I'll
Speaker 4: have to go back and look, but he puts it.
Speaker 4: When he puts out materials, it's these huge type of stories.
Speaker 4: I mean five six hour I think the Lost History
Speaker 4: of Earth was between six and eight hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he went into everything. I mean, he went
Speaker 1: into the Satanism in Hollywood, just just the preface why
Speaker 1: we're being light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now what I had heard was the only thing
Speaker 4: he was really and I could be wrong. I need
Speaker 4: to go back and listen. It's been a while, but
Speaker 4: I thought the only thing he was really backing off
Speaker 4: of was the Tartaria stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but I feel like everything, maybe I'll have
Speaker 1: to look into that.
Speaker 4: I'll have to go back again. It's been a while, but.
Speaker 1: That, you know, that immediately raised a red flag. Basically like,
Speaker 1: all right, somebody's being coerced into saying that that all
Speaker 1: this isn't true. So I just you know, I have
Speaker 1: sorted all pretty early on. I found your podcast, and
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like, you know, not to blow
Speaker 1: smoke up your butt, but I think you're a very
Speaker 1: level headed, reasonable guy. I feel like everyone in this
Speaker 1: in this community has a stick, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: you have Flatter Thieve, you have Sean Hibbler, you have
Speaker 1: you have one of the guys as a rapper, and
Speaker 1: you're kind of the voice of reason. You're You're you're
Speaker 1: just the perfect you know, if I'm gonna if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like expose somebody to the truth, I'm probably going
Speaker 1: to have them listen to you know, some of your
Speaker 1: fact on her podcasts first and then ease their way
Speaker 1: into the flat Earth files. And I think it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, you have a gift as far as your
Speaker 1: your presentation and style I think is really approachable and
Speaker 1: it kind of Pook's a listener in. So just thank
Speaker 1: you for the platform that you put together.
Speaker 4: I greatly appreciate that. And I was a little naive
Speaker 4: when I first started The Fact on her podcast because
Speaker 4: I thought, I assumed at the time like I had
Speaker 4: been researching for years before I ever started a podcast,
Speaker 4: and I thought the mantra of the truth community was
Speaker 4: question everything. And I think I had Dave on David
Speaker 4: Weiss on episode I want to say, sixteen on the
Speaker 4: Fact Hunner, almost five years ago. And boy, the emails
Speaker 4: over the next couple of days, My goodness, I mean more.
Speaker 1: Pretty relatively quickly after you you became awake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would I would say that he would have
Speaker 4: been in the first six months. And I've told the
Speaker 4: story before I got the email from David. I deleted
Speaker 4: it as soon as I saw flat Earth. But then
Speaker 4: I felt bad about it because I always said, you know,
Speaker 4: I replied to everybody a da da da, And so
Speaker 4: I actually went got it out of the trash bin
Speaker 4: of the email, opened it up and read it, and
Speaker 4: he had a video link there. I think it was
Speaker 4: cro Triple seven. It made sense. And I'm the type
Speaker 4: of person I consume stuff. If I find a rabbit hole,
Speaker 4: I'll spend countless hours going down. And it blew my mind.
Speaker 4: And I was I've told the story before. I don't
Speaker 4: want to beat a dead horse, but I think the
Speaker 4: only other rabbit hole that personally affected me. And I'm
Speaker 4: talking about rabbit holes now, you know, my faith and
Speaker 4: things like that, I'm talking about as far as finding
Speaker 4: out something was a lie that affected my life, like
Speaker 4: nine to eleven affected my life. I spent so much
Speaker 4: time in the Middle East because of that event. You know,
Speaker 4: it was three thousand fellow Americans. I had buddies get
Speaker 4: killed for being you know that. When I really found
Speaker 4: out the truth and decided to like, I know the
Speaker 4: stories a lie and people within our government and the
Speaker 4: Massad and others. You know, we're not going to get
Speaker 4: into that right now. But I was angry, and it
Speaker 4: was I went through that same range of emotions with
Speaker 4: Flat Earth when I finally realized, you know what, I
Speaker 4: felt ridiculous at first, I felt like a fool because
Speaker 4: I've said before, when when you're born and you become
Speaker 4: a toddler and you're three and four years old, you
Speaker 4: perceive the world in a certain way, and then you
Speaker 4: were told for the next twelve years how to perceive it.
Speaker 4: So that is the greatest thing where I say, you know,
Speaker 4: trust you your eyes, trust your ears, trust what you
Speaker 4: can touch, what you can see, versus being told what
Speaker 4: to believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things. I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: kind of has their you know, the lightning rod, the one,
Speaker 1: the one you know truth. I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is, you know what comes to flat Earth
Speaker 1: that it's very similar to how I felt when when
Speaker 1: I realized that Jesus was, you know, the way, the
Speaker 1: truth and the life. You know, once you realize that
Speaker 1: you just need to put your faith in Him and
Speaker 1: repent for salvation, you kind of have this release of
Speaker 1: burden from It's almost a physical feeling. And you know,
Speaker 1: once I had gone through some of the flat Earth truths,
Speaker 1: you know, my big ones were, you know, we're supposedly
Speaker 1: you know, spinning at a thousand miles an hour, rotating
Speaker 1: around the Sun. That god knows how fast, which is
Speaker 1: also rotating around the galaxy and the galaxy shooting into
Speaker 1: out or space from the Big Bang with you know,
Speaker 1: billions of miles an hour. Yet we look up at
Speaker 1: the night sky and the stars we see are like clockwork.
Speaker 1: We have Polaris, the North star that stays fixed in
Speaker 1: place day in and day out. That was that was
Speaker 1: the biggest one for me where I like kind of
Speaker 1: lost my lunch and was like, wow, you know yep.
Speaker 4: And you know you take it, You take on this
Speaker 4: information and you understand that, yeah, we've been lied to.
Speaker 4: We're on a relatively flat plane covered by the firmament,
Speaker 4: as the Bible says. And you obviously, I'm sure like
Speaker 4: you were like myself, much of your free time was
Speaker 4: trying to find and consume more material. At what point
Speaker 4: did you approach other family members and say, hey, there's
Speaker 4: something I need to tell you and how was it received?
Speaker 1: Still a work in progress? So you know, I it's
Speaker 1: funny because for six years I had kind of like
Speaker 1: busted my friend Jim's chops for you know, Jim's a
Speaker 1: flat earther, and you know my wife would just roll
Speaker 1: her eyes and you know, me coming to her. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I probably waited a couple of weeks we're
Speaker 1: timing time wise, probably right around Thanksgiving the last year.
Speaker 1: And I just remember, you know, saying to her like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Earth is not a globe. It's
Speaker 1: all lie and you know that. I feel like her
Speaker 1: reaction is just, oh, I'm just trying to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just believing anything my friend says. But slowly, over
Speaker 1: over the last I don't know how long has it been,
Speaker 1: ten months, I've kind of trickled little bread crumbs here
Speaker 1: and there. You know, she's a public school teacher, so
Speaker 1: you know, she's, you know, wonderful woman. She is, you know,
Speaker 1: the love of my life and great mother to my kids,
Speaker 1: and you know I stand by her through thick and thin,
Speaker 1: I must say that. But you know, she's comfortable. She's
Speaker 1: comfortable in the life that she's built. And it's it's
Speaker 1: very hard to unplug somebody that you know, has everything
Speaker 1: they could possibly need from the system. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: a little different, like I've always had kind of an
Speaker 1: aversion to authority. I question, you know, since I was
Speaker 1: a little kid, I've you know, a little bit rebellious,
Speaker 1: so I I think it was easier for me to
Speaker 1: kind of you know. I I remember sitting in church
Speaker 1: on you know, in Sunday mass as a kid and
Speaker 1: just you know, just thinking about, you know, is this true?
Speaker 1: Just this? You know, what do all these stained glass
Speaker 1: windows mean? You know, I questioned everything. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a process with her. I feel like like one of
Speaker 1: the things I think that softened her is, you know,
Speaker 1: over the summer, one of my son's friends, he went
Speaker 1: to a birthday party and I got to talking with
Speaker 1: some parents and you know, one of the fathers there
Speaker 1: had made a comment basically something about, you know, we
Speaker 1: made a joke about a rabbit hole, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: I something just told me in my gut, I should
Speaker 1: you know, pry a little further there, So you know,
Speaker 1: I asked him, you know, and once I had him
Speaker 1: side by side outside of everybody else, I kind of
Speaker 1: asked him, you know, what are your thoughts on NASA?
Speaker 1: And you know, he said, it's all lies. They get
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars a day to show us, you know,
Speaker 1: poor poorly produced c G I you know, So then
Speaker 1: I said, well, what do you think about the firmament?
Speaker 1: And he went oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm what you could call a flat tar And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that's awesome me too. So I think
Speaker 1: making the connection with somebody in person rather than rather
Speaker 1: than just on you know, in telegram groups and Facebook groups,
Speaker 1: just you know, it really is and and you start
Speaker 1: to realize you feel a lot more, you feel a
Speaker 1: lot more lack of better terms, normal. And I remember
Speaker 1: telling my wife, so, you know, you think I'm nuts,
Speaker 1: but so and So's father, who you know, by all
Speaker 1: means they seem like a very well put together family
Speaker 1: and then a normal but guess what he's awake to
Speaker 1: the same truth I am. I think that softened her
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, it's it's going to be
Speaker 1: a while. I need to kind of just I think
Speaker 1: I think there's some fear there. You know, we have
Speaker 1: we have two young children that are that are in
Speaker 1: the school system, and you know, what are they going
Speaker 1: to do if, you know, I start telling them the
Speaker 1: world's flat. They're going to get ridiculed. You know. It's
Speaker 1: a I haven't figured out how to deal with that yet.
Speaker 4: It's that there are some people say that, hey, you
Speaker 4: just got to tell them the truth. But there's also
Speaker 4: the same I go through the same thing. I home school.
Speaker 4: We teach the regular a curriculum and it is a
Speaker 4: faith based curriculum, and it tells us that on July twentieth,
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty nine, man landed on the moon. But we
Speaker 4: also show her, you know everything about flat Earth, my
Speaker 4: lunch break videos, things like that, just to get her
Speaker 4: to know that you should question everything and that you know,
Speaker 4: in the school system, you are presented one argument. You're
Speaker 4: presented one side of history. And it's amazing that the
Speaker 4: good guys have won every single war throughout the course
Speaker 4: of history, right, and you know, the victors are the
Speaker 4: one who write the history books. So we try to,
Speaker 4: you know again, approach it as, hey, this is what
Speaker 4: the general population thinks. For lack of a better term, uh,
Speaker 4: this is what your family believes, and we want to
Speaker 4: respect her and allow her to have her own thoughts
Speaker 4: and come to her own conclusions.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I try, and I try my best to I
Speaker 1: guess not come across as a smart ass, which I
Speaker 1: do have a tendency to do that, you know. I
Speaker 1: I think just by continuously finding opportunities to kind of
Speaker 1: get the gears going in my wife's head, can suffen
Speaker 1: her up well where she'll at least maybe spend half
Speaker 1: an hour and watch a Hibbler movie or something that
Speaker 1: kind of gives a you know, a one on one
Speaker 1: crash course of you know, the realities of the world
Speaker 1: were and just something short and sweet and relatable, you know.
Speaker 1: Then and then there's the Biblical aspect as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Bible is of flat earth book. The Biblical cosmology
Speaker 1: is perfect in every way, shape and form, you know.
Speaker 1: I when it comes to the Bible, you know, I
Speaker 1: you know, I've been a pretty traditional Christian. But one
Speaker 1: of the things over last year I think, and I
Speaker 1: need to tread carefully for sure, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, there's a lot of wolves out there
Speaker 1: that want to give us bad information. But I started
Speaker 1: to question, you know, the sixty six books in our
Speaker 1: Karen King James Bible that was you know, that's an
Speaker 1: interesting number, right.
Speaker 4: I've thought of that many times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, especially after reading the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 1: Like Enoch kind of paints the full picture. It gives
Speaker 1: you the whole back back sitting to Genesis, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, they're like Jesus and one of
Speaker 1: the New Testament writers also mentioned Enoch. They referenced them,
Speaker 1: so obviously they were familiar with with Enoch. I feel
Speaker 1: like certain books are purposely witheld from us. I feel
Speaker 1: like the Dead Sea maybe the Dead Sea Scrolls being revealed.
Speaker 1: You know, what was that about eighty or ninety years ago?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in the forties, right around at the
Speaker 4: I think it was right after World War Two?
Speaker 1: Was it after?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was just you know, that was
Speaker 1: that was God forcing the hand. All right, you know,
Speaker 1: you know you're hiding knowledge from my people. I'm going
Speaker 1: to bring it to the surface.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was between nineteen forty six and fifty six,
Speaker 4: which is interesting, Like I said, interesting.
Speaker 1: Time to uncover all of them.
Speaker 4: Say again, it took that long to uncover all of
Speaker 4: the Dead School apparently. Yeah, that's it's what it says.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think there's more than the story. I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Satanic leaders of our realm, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in the revelation of method, Like,
Speaker 1: they they have to tell us the truth one way
Speaker 1: or the other. Yeah, whether disclosure, yeah, yeah, they have
Speaker 1: to or else they face the karmaic retribution for for
Speaker 1: their their actions. So they it's all basically they they
Speaker 1: make it our choice, you know, so that we're we're
Speaker 1: willfully complying with whatever they have in store for us.
Speaker 1: But as far I feel like, I feel like there's
Speaker 1: definitely some additional info that maybe earlier Christians were privy
Speaker 1: to that our generation isn't, I'll put it that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And as far as disclosure,
Speaker 4: I've mentioned before, I do think that is a tool
Speaker 4: that they use. Alex Jones for we told you, he
Speaker 4: told you right. I do think that you know everything right.
Speaker 4: He's He's predicted so much, absolutely absolutely, and I don't
Speaker 4: think it's a coincidence. He's right down the street from Stratford,
Speaker 4: which is Israeli intelligence. And you know, Joe Rogan is
Speaker 4: another guy I think you had mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 4: he's another character that was when he came out of
Speaker 4: the gate, it seemed like he told a lot of
Speaker 4: truth and then you know, he backed off on things.
Speaker 4: The fight contract, yeah exactly, the eighty six million dollars
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, yeah, I think we did
Speaker 4: go to the moon.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then he has like Neil deGrasse tyson
Speaker 1: on and just sits there and all while the guy
Speaker 1: just spews nonsense. Yep, What was I getting at though?
Speaker 1: What were we talking about before Joe Rogan disclosure back
Speaker 1: to the revelation of method.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like we were given on
Speaker 1: just enough where we're we're able to make the choice
Speaker 1: of salvation through the Gospel, but we're missing out on
Speaker 1: some key components that might make it easier to draw
Speaker 1: more people. If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Can you expound on that a little bit?
Speaker 1: So if you read the Book of Enoch, and you
Speaker 1: know clearly it clearly paints the picture of the cosmology
Speaker 1: of the of the I'll call it all a realm, right.
Speaker 1: You know? Enoch talks about the fallen angels that corrupted man,
Speaker 1: taught us all the all the arts that man weren't
Speaker 1: intended to uh partake in. I guess also when Enoch
Speaker 1: is uh you know, transported into Heaven, he basically he
Speaker 1: lays out exactly what the cosmos looks like. Are you know,
Speaker 1: are contained firmament with the the uh the wandering stars,
Speaker 1: the planets and and the stars themselves and the moon
Speaker 1: and the Sun. I think later on in the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch he talks about the how the the sun
Speaker 1: and the moon, uh, you know, tell the time and
Speaker 1: the season, the stars tell the seasons. I feel like
Speaker 1: if that was included in the Bible, and it very
Speaker 1: well may have been generations ago, then you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of a lot of folks that
Speaker 1: are seeking seeking God, it might be easier for them
Speaker 1: to find him.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. And I also go back often
Speaker 4: to the Geneva Bible and how quickly after that King
Speaker 4: James came out with his version and it was, you know,
Speaker 4: minus the apocrypha.
Speaker 1: Right, who was the what was the the one that
Speaker 1: came out a couple hundred years before King James. I
Speaker 1: think the guy was executed. It was the first printed version.
Speaker 1: I can't think of the gentleman's name.
Speaker 4: I'm having a brain cramp as well. The Gutenberg Bible.
Speaker 4: There you go, Johannes Schuttenberg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when when when the state took over
Speaker 1: the production of the Bible. Obviously there's shadiness going on there.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, anytime the government gets involved with anything, you
Speaker 4: better be worried.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things I've read also
Speaker 1: is you know, in the eighteen hundreds, you ask any
Speaker 1: Christian who were God's chosen people, they would have sit us.
Speaker 1: You know, we're bought and paid for by the blood
Speaker 1: of Christ. And then along comes the Schofield reference Bible
Speaker 1: and basically brainwashes everybody into thinking we need to create
Speaker 1: a state of Israel and you know, bring the Jews
Speaker 1: back to the Promised Land kind of went along. And
Speaker 1: I think I think he was a Mason. I think
Speaker 1: he was in cahoots with what was it, Albert Pike yep.
Speaker 1: So now we have all of our clergy basically being
Speaker 1: taught through you know, you know, ministry school, through a
Speaker 1: subverted Bible, at least at least subverted commentary to the Bible,
Speaker 1: taking taking God's word out of context.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it's interesting speaking of of that someone who
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people without knowing too much
Speaker 4: about that person, Pastor Greg Locke, was one of the
Speaker 4: people who actually stood up against the locked ounce back
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty and how quickly is stack has fallen
Speaker 4: where you know, obviously our friend of the show, Pastor
Speaker 4: Dean Odleah, went and tried to present and Greg lost
Speaker 4: his his hat and he is just vehemantly. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: if you question anything about Israel, you just you're you're
Speaker 4: not a follower of Jesus Christ. I mean, he is very, very,
Speaker 4: very divisive.
Speaker 1: If you want to know who has the true power
Speaker 1: in the world, look at look at who you cannot criticize, right.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. One hundred percent was And you know
Speaker 4: with your church, have you ever thought to mention it
Speaker 4: to anyone in church?
Speaker 1: Or I sat down with my pastor and you know,
Speaker 1: I've I'll put it this way, I have. We've kind
Speaker 1: of our attendants at church for the last year has
Speaker 1: been has been sketchy at best. We haven't we haven't
Speaker 1: been there a whole lot. So you know, we are
Speaker 1: this the pastor at our church, he does a really
Speaker 1: good job of staying in touch and he's very uh,
Speaker 1: he's very gracious. I guess he invited me to breakfast
Speaker 1: maybe six months ago. I sat down with them and
Speaker 1: kind of walked him through my beliefs and he was
Speaker 1: receptive to it. But then I started to get into
Speaker 1: some of the Zionism component and he was quick to say,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to be careful if we go
Speaker 1: down this path. At the risk of sounding anti Semitics,
Speaker 1: so you know, I kind of pumped the brakes there
Speaker 1: and then just left it, left it where it was.
Speaker 1: But you know, his I guess his rebuttal is it's
Speaker 1: not a salvation issue. You know. You know, we're we're
Speaker 1: called to be a a body of Christ. And I
Speaker 1: agree with him. I do need to continue to see
Speaker 1: Christian community, but you know, I do feel like flat
Speaker 1: earth as a salvation issue. Think about how many folks
Speaker 1: have turned away from God because of so called science
Speaker 1: and the Big Bang and evolution. You know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not a salvation issue for those that are already saved,
Speaker 1: but those folks that aren't saved, you're talking billions of souls.
Speaker 4: Probably you're one hundred percent spot on. And I can
Speaker 4: tell you from the emails I've received over the years
Speaker 4: that between you know, heliocentrism and the Big Bang theory,
Speaker 4: which was one of the reasons I had an issue
Speaker 4: at church because I brought it up at a barbecue
Speaker 4: and someone got very worked up and said, the Big
Speaker 4: Bang did happen. It was just through you know, God
Speaker 4: did it. I was like, that's not what the Bible says.
Speaker 4: There's nothing about a big bang. God created it, and
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see the documentary Helio.
Speaker 4: Sorcery, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It goes in Yeah, it's it's it's they just created
Speaker 1: a system that was completely contradictory to the universe. Is
Speaker 1: God planned it? We ate it up?
Speaker 4: Yep, one hundred percent. And I think you're right. And
Speaker 4: I didn't fully understand, you know, when I realized that
Speaker 4: the Earth was flat and we were covered by a
Speaker 4: firmament and God is right above us, right where the
Speaker 4: footstool of God right And I didn't realize it until
Speaker 4: later on how much of an issue it was how
Speaker 4: it hid God that you know, God was in another
Speaker 4: it was a dimensional thing, and you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean personally even you know, I've I've known
Speaker 1: Christ for about seventeen eighteen years at this point, and
Speaker 1: I struggle, I struggle with, you know, where is he really?
Speaker 1: You know, there was is where I picture God as
Speaker 1: an extra dimensional being. You're just kind of lost, you know.
Speaker 1: We see, we're exposed to you know, we're inundated with
Speaker 1: space and NASA and star Wars and you know, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh about you know, years ago, we were volunteering
Speaker 1: at a vacation Bible School at our church, and the
Speaker 1: whole curriculum was based on, like, you know, a space adventure.
Speaker 1: You know, I space poming myself. You know. But once
Speaker 1: you once you understand the the biblical cosmology, everything makes
Speaker 1: sense that I have no more questions about where is God?
Speaker 1: You know, where are we going? When we pass? You
Speaker 1: know there's going to be an internal kingdom set up
Speaker 1: right here in this realm. Everything will be created new yep.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And the other thing is with flat Earth, you realized,
Speaker 4: like there were still things that I wouldn't really look into.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying I believe every conspiracy theory, but
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even give some of those things the time
Speaker 4: of day to look into. And after that, I truly
Speaker 4: realized how much discernment we had to had to use.
Speaker 4: And I think flat Earth actually helped me realize the
Speaker 4: the left right paradigm, the lie of you know, you know,
Speaker 4: the left says that you know, you got to vote
Speaker 4: for Harris or the country's gone, or you got to a.
Speaker 1: Point where just about everything that we're exposed to through
Speaker 1: the media is fake. Oh yeah, it's all fake. There.
Speaker 1: They mock us through they make things so ridiculous and
Speaker 1: we believe it.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: And when you wake up to that, it's sickening. I
Speaker 1: mean the Trump assassination attemped last month. That, I mean
Speaker 1: five minutes after that happened. You know, I had that
Speaker 1: I acted.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: The guy that took the picture of him with the
Speaker 1: flag and his hand pumped into the as I saw that.
Speaker 1: It's just to see photographer who took the picture of
Speaker 1: George W. Bush on the morning of nine to eleven
Speaker 1: when he's reading my ipick goat to the little kids
Speaker 1: in school in Florida.
Speaker 4: Yep, one hundred percent the same photo, the same photographer.
Speaker 4: And that was a stage because listen, in a real
Speaker 4: world with real secret service, go back and look at
Speaker 4: March thirtieth, nineteen eighty one. How quickly they got Reagan, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, that was a hoax too, But how
Speaker 4: quick they got Reagan into the limo. And after that
Speaker 4: a shooting happened the president. Oh no, no, just wait a second,
Speaker 4: just a second was even shot. Yeah, And I challenge
Speaker 4: anybody to go, well, I shouldn't say that. Let's just
Speaker 4: say that if you get shot in the ear, it
Speaker 4: doesn't grow back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's perfectly. He wore his band aid for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and then announced he must have
Speaker 1: had fantastic plastics that things should have His ears should
Speaker 1: have looked like roast beef.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked like a wrestler who wrestled for thirty years,
Speaker 4: a big califlower or something. It's just it is, it's
Speaker 4: it's mockery, and it's it really goes back to the
Speaker 4: movie They Live. Once you put the glasses on, you
Speaker 4: can never take them off, and at times you have.
Speaker 1: To physically fight people to put them on.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, I'm telling you, man, I'm just like, just
Speaker 4: just for put them on for a second. No, no,
Speaker 4: And then it's it's just frustrating. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I was that guy for a long time too. And listen,
Speaker 4: it's hard to unpacked forty fifty years of living a
Speaker 4: life a certain way, believing a certain way, and having
Speaker 4: to basically unlearning everything and relearn everything. And then it
Speaker 4: is a bit depressing for a while. It eventually becomes freedom.
Speaker 4: You don't fear as much as you use do. I'm
Speaker 4: not worried about a meteor coming to destroy the earth.
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about an alien invasion. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, I think there was a bit of depression
Speaker 4: I went through knowing that many of the things I
Speaker 4: grew up believing. Right, I'm sitting in the movie theater
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy seven watching Star Wars, thinking that, you know,
Speaker 4: one day I'll be on an X wing Fighter, you know,
Speaker 4: fighting people. It's just all along like.
Speaker 1: Star Wars up until like a year ago. Took the
Speaker 1: steam right out of me when I woke up with
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I realized that all of that, whether
Speaker 4: it's Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, star Wars, which the science
Speaker 4: fiction thing really took off on the fifties. Coincidentally, right
Speaker 4: about the time NASA took off. Was it was to
Speaker 4: reinforce the sy OP, the psychological operation that they were
Speaker 4: going to pull off on July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other, the other one, the other big
Speaker 1: one was the Challenger explosion. Like when you realized that
Speaker 1: eight of the nine or however many, you know, basically
Speaker 1: all of them but one are accounted for today. Most
Speaker 1: of them have the same names, they look they look
Speaker 1: exactly the same. Plus you know, thirty years yeah, you've
Speaker 1: seen that, right of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Still and one of the odds of literally all
Speaker 4: of them having a.
Speaker 8: Twin, it's it's it's impossible, that's right, you know McNair
Speaker 8: and the Asian gentleman. Yeah, that twins, right, And well, no,
Speaker 8: they all had twins, Is that what they said?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look at the picture a challenger. Sorry,
Speaker 4: in real time, I want to say it was six
Speaker 4: out of seven.
Speaker 1: Uh, it was just the two.
Speaker 4: I thought that was more than an astronaut. Oh, you
Speaker 4: know what, you might be right. Nevertheless, I mean I
Speaker 4: was a It was what that would have been January
Speaker 4: of eighty six, so I would have been a junior
Speaker 4: in high school. And I remember, I mean I was
Speaker 4: probably sixteen years old, and they wheeled in the TV.
Speaker 4: We watched it live as it happened. It was right
Speaker 4: around in lunchtime that day. I remember that day as
Speaker 4: clear as the day is long.
Speaker 9: And and how many events in history have they willed
Speaker 9: in televisions to watch something live?
Speaker 4: Why was it that particular event? And now because of
Speaker 4: the school the teacher, Krista mccauliffe, I guess that was
Speaker 4: the reason they all did it. But uh, you know,
Speaker 4: you really realized that it was.
Speaker 1: By the time nine to eleven happened, we all had
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was a sophomore in high
Speaker 1: school on the morning in nine to eleven, and by
Speaker 1: that point all the school classrooms already had TVs in there,
Speaker 1: so we're all watching that in real time, and oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, just the amount of carnage and fear that created.
Speaker 1: Anyway back in back, Sorry I changed the topic.
Speaker 4: No, No, you're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like they wanted expose you to this
Speaker 1: trauma so that you're afraid to want to explore that
Speaker 1: frontier in the future, because they were probably afraid that
Speaker 1: the technology was catching up to their lies and they
Speaker 1: weren't going to be able to fake space too well
Speaker 1: much longer.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely. And the other thing behind the Challenger explosion
Speaker 4: was they had that they approved I can't remember if
Speaker 4: it was two or three billion dollars within days to
Speaker 4: get the new program going.
Speaker 1: What after after the Challenger explosion.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, it exploded January of eighty six, and they
Speaker 4: had to know. Congress got together real quick and approved
Speaker 4: another I think two billion dollars to get the next
Speaker 4: project going. So they made a ton of money off.
Speaker 1: Of probably just sending rovers to Mars and Pluto or whatever. Yea.
Speaker 4: And again, who's to say, who's going to vote no
Speaker 4: two days after the world witnessed that disaster. Nobody's going
Speaker 4: to vote no against that money.
Speaker 1: Of course, they probably got more money.
Speaker 4: Too, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And one of the big ones is the uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just just everything NASA produces. You know, we we see
Speaker 1: pictures of the Earth from space. No you don't, you
Speaker 1: see composite images. Every single one of them says image
Speaker 1: taken from Not one of them is labeled as a photo.
Speaker 1: You know, you have you have them years apart that
Speaker 1: the United States is a different size, and each of them,
Speaker 1: the water is a different color, the clouds are exactly
Speaker 1: the same thirty years later.
Speaker 4: Yep, thirty years later. And by the way, I think
Speaker 4: you're right. I think it was mcnarron on Azuka had
Speaker 4: the twins.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, they that that was one of that
Speaker 1: was one of the silver bullets for me, just that
Speaker 1: I came across that around the same time that I
Speaker 1: woke up the flat Earth, so that that that helped
Speaker 1: further my uh, you know, my resolution there as well.
Speaker 4: And it's funny they still go with the twins, the
Speaker 4: Kelly twins, right, one when I think.
Speaker 1: Is bubbles, Yeah, what's.
Speaker 4: One is in politics? And I think it one of them.
Speaker 4: Wasn't his wife the one that got shot at Differs? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it. So again, these people are all on the
Speaker 4: world stage with these these type of events, and of
Speaker 4: course what happened right after that more more gun control.
Speaker 1: Right, one big club, and we're not.
Speaker 4: We're not even close to in it for sure. And
Speaker 4: since you mentioned I was going to say, since you
Speaker 4: mentioned that, did you want to get into your silver bullets?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sure, well I think I mentioned so. So the
Speaker 1: biggest one for me is just the position of the stars.
Speaker 1: We're tumbling around over the uh you know, trillions of
Speaker 1: miles an hour from the big bang. We're spinning as
Speaker 1: a planet. We're rotating around the Sun, that's rotating around
Speaker 1: the galaxy, and that galaxy shooting you know whatever direction
Speaker 1: they say it is. Yeah, we can look out and
Speaker 1: and the positions of the star are the same for
Speaker 1: thousands of years, right, we should have different constellations every
Speaker 1: single night with their logic of course, you know. And
Speaker 1: then you look up at the North Star and the
Speaker 1: North Star is always in the same place, the entire
Speaker 1: the entire firmament just pivots around it. So that's silver
Speaker 1: bowl number one. The other one is, you know, water
Speaker 1: finds a level. You know, they tell us that water
Speaker 1: is sticking to the outside of a ball. That's not
Speaker 1: a repeatable experiment. Have you ever seen anybody repeat that
Speaker 1: it had gotten water to stick to the outside of
Speaker 1: a spinning object? Never, you know, you put water on
Speaker 1: a tennis ball and spin it around, the water flies
Speaker 1: right off of it. No, the NASA, the fallacies and
Speaker 1: the NASA photos were a big one. I think there
Speaker 1: was the one interview with a gentleman that does the
Speaker 1: composite images from NASA basically saying all the pictures are photoshopped,
Speaker 1: that they have to be that way because they have
Speaker 1: to be Yep, absolutely, I mean some of the astronauts
Speaker 1: are just idiots. The one guy, Don Pettitt, I've played.
Speaker 4: His clip a thousand times. We'd go back, but we
Speaker 4: lost it.
Speaker 1: There's the one interview with him where he's floating around
Speaker 1: with the other guy in the space station. Somebody has that.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the stars in the vacuum of
Speaker 1: space or the voyage of space? He goes Yeah, we
Speaker 1: see planets, we see we see suns. He sounds like
Speaker 1: a five year old. Yeah, he's one of them, playing
Speaker 1: like there's one of thems playing like a digeridoo on
Speaker 1: the space station. I don't know if you saw that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but they're mocking us. They put you know, they put
Speaker 1: an absolute imbecile up there and expect us to believe
Speaker 1: he's some like rocket scientists.
Speaker 4: And again, they can get away with this stuff because
Speaker 4: they control everything. Everything that comes out of the media
Speaker 4: is controlled. And they also know if they do try
Speaker 4: to spill the beans that they know what would come
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh, it's going back to the silver bullets.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no curve. Nope, they just just go
Speaker 1: out with a with a you know, a range find
Speaker 1: or something that has a high zoom capability. Look out
Speaker 1: over the ocean, you're going to see boats that are
Speaker 1: fifteen miles away that should be hundreds of feet below
Speaker 1: the below the horizon based on the globe. The globe myth.
Speaker 1: They tell us their math is eight inches per mile squared,
Speaker 1: but we can see way further than that. You know,
Speaker 1: they had the picture of what was it the Chicago
Speaker 1: skyline across Lake, Michigan, and the dummy on the news
Speaker 1: is saying, oh, you're looking at a mirage. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean I'm at the New Jersey coast every single
Speaker 1: weekend my parents have. My parents live in Cape May County.
Speaker 4: So nice.
Speaker 1: I look at the ocean just about every single weekend,
Speaker 1: and it's flat as can be. You can see forever.
Speaker 1: The only the only limitation of what we see is
Speaker 1: our eyes on are eyes on limitation, you know, the
Speaker 1: limitation of our vision. Our eyes can only produce so
Speaker 1: much resolution before everything just kind of blurs together someone else.
Speaker 1: The Southern flight paths, you know, you look at any
Speaker 1: flight paths in the Southern hemisphere, you know, on a
Speaker 1: on a globe, they look absolutely insane, like you're flying
Speaker 1: from Australia up to Los Angeles and then down to
Speaker 1: Buenos Aires, Argentina. So you have a big triangle across
Speaker 1: half half the globe, whereas if if you look at
Speaker 1: the flat Earth map, it's a straight line.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yep. That and the great uh, you know, the
Speaker 4: Sixteen Emergency Landings. What a great book, and explain I have.
Speaker 1: The meaning to pick that up as like a coffee
Speaker 1: table book.
Speaker 4: Yep, it's it's it's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Yep, you have that, you have. You know, planes don't
Speaker 1: account for any any spin or curvature whatsoever. You know,
Speaker 1: it should be, it should be next it's too impossible
Speaker 1: to land a plane. You know you're training, you should be,
Speaker 1: you know, if the earth is spinning, you should be.
Speaker 1: You should be fighting one thousand mile an hour winds
Speaker 1: to try to land on a runway safely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense at all. And
Speaker 4: once again, now that we're awaken, we see these things.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. And when we see people who we were
Speaker 4: at one time, I think that makes it all the
Speaker 4: more frustrating because you want to say, you know, I
Speaker 4: can see, how come you can't see all the while
Speaker 4: realizing that we were that person.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's about it for the Silver Bullets. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the things I wanted to touch on. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever noticed, but you know, if
Speaker 1: you're familiar with the Lord of the Rings and the
Speaker 1: writings of Tolkien, so his his book basically the SIMILARI
Speaker 1: and he paints the picture of you know, Middle Earth,
Speaker 1: the setting of the Lord of the Rings stories, and
Speaker 1: it's it's basically a perfect allegory to creation and it's
Speaker 1: a flat earth. I always felt like there was something
Speaker 1: there with Tolkien. As far as I can tell, he
Speaker 1: wasn't a Mason. I feel like maybe he was trying
Speaker 1: to tell us truth. So I just wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of put that out there for some of the listeners
Speaker 1: to maybe dig into.
Speaker 4: It's interesting he was an Oxford guy, and there's a
Speaker 4: little bit of a rabbit hole there. But I was
Speaker 4: never you know, we would go to those movies and
Speaker 4: I usually fell asleep it just because the fantasy genre
Speaker 4: wasn't me. But I think if you went back and
Speaker 4: looked at it from that point of view, it may
Speaker 4: Did you say it was one of the particular movies, No,
Speaker 4: it was one of the books.
Speaker 1: And the book. The book is called The Similarian.
Speaker 4: The Similarian, Okay, Yeah, it's basically his bible.
Speaker 1: He basically writes an entire backstory to the set up
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings. Basically, it's a thousand pages long.
Speaker 1: It's probably I've never read it. I've read summaries of it,
Speaker 1: but basically he's painting the picture of there's like a
Speaker 1: parallel creation, you know. His creation story kind of mirrors
Speaker 1: the Bible enough. You know, Christian Tolkien was a Christian,
Speaker 1: so you know, he did a lot of Christian allegory
Speaker 1: in his writing. But I feel like he knew the
Speaker 1: earth was flat, and he in this book he kind
Speaker 1: of lays it out where you read the Similarian and
Speaker 1: if you're awake the flat earth, you really kind of
Speaker 1: you pick up on it. You're like, oh wow, this
Speaker 1: is like a probably a perfect mirroring of how God
Speaker 1: actually created our realm.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I didn't know that this book was actually
Speaker 4: published posthumously by his son. I think Tolkien passed away
Speaker 4: in seventy three seventy four, and it was actually published
Speaker 4: in seventy seven after he passed away. That is very interesting.
Speaker 1: He creates the Yelohem and the angels. He names them
Speaker 1: differently in his book, but it's kind of has like
Speaker 1: an a Nochian tone to it. Got Chase, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're awaken, it's it's very interesting once you're awake
Speaker 1: the flat Earth to kind of at least read the
Speaker 1: cliff's nose to the similary because you're like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: like maybe he was trying to tell us something there.
Speaker 4: Well, now that you mention it on the Wikipedia page,
Speaker 4: there is a image of what he described as Middle Earth.
Speaker 4: I see where you're getting at now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in the in the book, it was flat up
Speaker 1: until a certain point and then there was a great
Speaker 1: cataclysm in a Begema globe. And then in the book,
Speaker 1: basically by by making it a globe, it made certain
Speaker 1: points of the map unaccessible to everybody except the elves
Speaker 1: who were like these angelic beings.
Speaker 4: Hm, that's interesting. I might have to check that out.
Speaker 4: A thousand pages. That sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 1: It's at least a thousand pages. I like, I said,
Speaker 1: I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I'm very
Speaker 1: familiar with the I'll call it the cliffs Notes. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a gentleman out there. His name's Noah Joshua Hadley.
Speaker 1: He runs a website called The Unexpected Cosmology. He wrote
Speaker 1: a great, pretty good essay on that as well. I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting. He puts out some
Speaker 1: interesting materia real basically, you know, he's I guess I
Speaker 1: have to preface by saying, I'm very careful about who
Speaker 1: I take my my you know, my Christian doctrine from.
Speaker 1: But he's a he's a Hebrew translator, so he's a
Speaker 1: he has some alternate theories to the Bible. At least,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just good, uh, kind of good reading,
Speaker 1: just to kind of, you know, stir some thought, I guess,
Speaker 1: so to say I haven't read anything that was either
Speaker 1: blasphemous or you know, heretical, I'll say that. But it's
Speaker 1: another resource. It's The Unexpected Cosmology. He has some really
Speaker 1: cool papers out there.
Speaker 4: Is it a website?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think he's a YouTube channel as well, The
Speaker 1: Unexpected Cosmology.
Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds familiar. Oh yeah, I visited him Hadley, right, Yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of his stuff is really interesting. It's very
Speaker 1: thought broke at least I think as believers that we
Speaker 1: have to be very careful of who we take.
Speaker 4: Are absolutely absolutely, I'm just looking on his homepage and
Speaker 4: that is something I feel like now looking back, we
Speaker 4: don't talk about enough, but we have talked about. It's
Speaker 4: how the flood makes perfect sense on the way we
Speaker 4: view Biblical you know, cosmology versus the globe theory and
Speaker 4: the Bible are very specific about the heavens opening up
Speaker 4: and you know, some people you know, and again this
Speaker 4: is just hypothetical people saying, Hey, the milk away may
Speaker 4: be the crack in the firmament, things like that.
Speaker 1: But that would not surprise me whatsoever me either. And
Speaker 1: then you have the craters all over the planet.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: You know, if you see what what the sight of
Speaker 1: a geyser erupting looks like, they look like those craters.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and the science people, for lack of a
Speaker 4: better word, you know, this is something I've encountered for
Speaker 4: the last few years. Anytime I try to bring it up,
Speaker 4: if you don't have every single answer, then then it's
Speaker 4: automatically defaults back to the globe. But then you ask
Speaker 4: them basic questions that they're completely clueless on it. So
Speaker 4: that really goes to speak to how I don't like
Speaker 4: to use this term. I'm trying to think of a
Speaker 4: friendlier term, but it's spramewashed, right. I was going to
Speaker 4: say that, I was going to say, but I never
Speaker 4: like to come off from like I know more than you.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I try to be very careful, yeah, because that's what
Speaker 1: I want to see him as arrogant.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, because that that that'll rub people the wrong way,
Speaker 4: and that's just not the case, because I was that
Speaker 4: person for many, many, many many kind.
Speaker 1: Of spreading the gospel. We need to take a general approach.
Speaker 4: And exactly and that's why I am the type of
Speaker 4: person who is the bread crumb approach as far as
Speaker 4: you know, biblical cosmology. Not the same approach when I'm
Speaker 4: trying to talk to someone about Jesus Christ, because that
Speaker 4: is you know, urgent eternity, and it's urgent. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, I don't yell and scream, but I
Speaker 4: certainly do take a different approach. So I would ask
Speaker 4: you this, what would be or what has been your
Speaker 4: approach when trying to share you know, biblical cosmology.
Speaker 1: So I've only done it a few times. There's a
Speaker 1: couple that my wife and I are friends with where
Speaker 1: i've you know, I basically came out of the closet
Speaker 1: with them around the time that I woke up. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, I'm pretty sure that the Earth
Speaker 1: is flat, and they just laughed at me at the time,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I started just you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of it is just sending sending
Speaker 1: videos right little from from Dave Weiss's app, which is fantastic,
Speaker 1: you know, He's got tons of one minute videos you
Speaker 1: can send people that just just really spiked the curiosity.
Speaker 1: You know, we we just spent a weekend with them
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and they didn't seem so uh,
Speaker 1: condescending towards me. I'll put it that way. They were
Speaker 1: listening a little bit more. But yeah, I think I'd
Speaker 1: agree with you. I take the bread crumb approach. I
Speaker 1: I try to, just I try to. I'll lead with
Speaker 1: like one silver bullet and just see if that provokes
Speaker 1: any conversation, like why are the stars the same in
Speaker 1: the night every name the same in the night sky? Now,
Speaker 1: why have they been the same since ancient Greek times?
Speaker 1: We were spending around so much, we should we should
Speaker 1: have different star formations just about daily. And just you know,
Speaker 1: I just try to provoke conversation, I guess, not not
Speaker 1: not just drop truth bombs.
Speaker 4: Right, that's the way to do. And you see how
Speaker 4: they react to subjects as you drop them. And if
Speaker 4: they if you can see their their curiosity kind of
Speaker 4: get peaked, then you can continue to go down that
Speaker 4: rabbit hole gently if you will.
Speaker 1: Absolutely one of the uh, one of the silver bullets.
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention and this, So this was one
Speaker 1: I thought was hilarious. There's a video out there of
Speaker 1: Stephen Hawking from the seven, you know, the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: probably before he had his computer, and he has he
Speaker 1: has a British translator next to him. Did you ever
Speaker 1: see that video?
Speaker 4: I don't recalled off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: I'll email it to you. Do you get post it?
Speaker 1: So it's basically it's a it's a younger Stephen Hawking.
Speaker 1: He you know, he's he's totally afflicted with als. He
Speaker 1: can't speak, and he's just sitting in a chair just gurgling.
Speaker 1: He almost sounds like Chewbacca. And I'm being I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound too cruel, but he's basically growling like
Speaker 1: croup Chewbacca. And this translator is like, well, from a
Speaker 1: young age, I was very drawn to this car. So
Speaker 1: it basically spits out a whole paragraph off of a
Speaker 1: couple gurgles and growls. And that that was another one
Speaker 1: where I'm like, holy crap, they're mocking us. So they
Speaker 1: put this this poor disabled guy. They would have viewed
Speaker 1: several of them over the years, because AOLS kills everybody
Speaker 1: within three to five years, yep, and then we're led
Speaker 1: to believe this guy lived for sixty years with the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I took him in the face.
Speaker 4: I did a podcast on him a few years ago
Speaker 4: that that is one of the bigger mockeries that they
Speaker 4: have pulled on us. And I haven't seen that particular one,
Speaker 4: but that's I can just see it in my head now,
Speaker 4: a little bit of droll, just burbling. And so what
Speaker 4: are you is saying? Is PI divided by the second power? Right?
Speaker 4: It just hilarious, not hilarious, it's actually well, I don't
Speaker 4: even know what to think of it because there's so
Speaker 4: much mockery.
Speaker 1: It's insulting, but it's yeah.
Speaker 4: It's insulting for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: But it it's pretty funny too. I'm emailing it to
Speaker 1: you right now so you can post it with the interview.
Speaker 4: Awesome, we'll do. And I did want to ask you
Speaker 4: because I didn't really have a chance, but I really
Speaker 4: wanted to to ask you this before we parted ways.
Speaker 4: Was you know most a lot of the people I
Speaker 4: should say that who have come on the podcast before
Speaker 4: you that covid had played a large part in their way.
Speaker 4: Did did that do the same with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did. Obviously, I saw that from right away,
Speaker 1: right one second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: That was a very slow burn. You know. They went
Speaker 1: from what two weeks to flatten the flatten the.
Speaker 4: Uh flattened the curve.
Speaker 1: Right. I was just kind of said that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm want to throw them.
Speaker 10: Into I just realized that, yeah, flattened the curve, you know,
Speaker 10: to what two years at least a year and a half.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough at the time too, you know,
Speaker 1: I had I had an in office job, and uh
Speaker 1: it was basically COVID allowed me to spend a year
Speaker 1: and a half home with my family. So I kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of just you know, lived the best
Speaker 1: of it. But uh, yeah, I was awake to the
Speaker 1: you know, the whole you know, basically rolling out the vaccine,
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like it was all about
Speaker 1: mass compliance. They wanted to see how willing the public
Speaker 1: would comply in a crisis. I believe it was like
Speaker 1: a test run.
Speaker 4: I'm one hundred percent with you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't let it affect me that much,
Speaker 1: to be honest, you know, I was lucky I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't lose a job. You know, my wife was
Speaker 1: able to teach remotely. You know, my kids were young,
Speaker 1: So I had the best year and a half of
Speaker 1: my life and then before I got called back into
Speaker 1: the office. So you know, I just took advantage of
Speaker 1: a good situation. Well I took I capitalized on the
Speaker 1: bad situation.
Speaker 4: I'll hear that. I got that link. Is it user
Speaker 4: friendly like audio friendly should be? Yeah, let me let
Speaker 4: me just pull this YouTube video. Oh it's only you know,
Speaker 4: let's listen.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a scientist. The rest of my
Speaker 1: activities like playing with the muscle of pilot. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: people just eat that up too.
Speaker 4: Uh comments are turned off, shocked. I'll certainly put that
Speaker 4: in the link as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was that was That was that I
Speaker 1: saw that early on when when I woke up the
Speaker 1: flat Earth, and that one was like a kick in
Speaker 1: the teeth, Like I think that was just that. That
Speaker 1: was that was God looking out for me and giving
Speaker 1: me one to like really just smack me in the face.
Speaker 1: It's you know, these things that they put in front
Speaker 1: of it is it's all about It's all about mockery, right.
Speaker 1: They they believe we're here to serve them. They believe that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're scum compared to their elite bloodlines, and
Speaker 1: they mock us, and ninety nine percent of us just
Speaker 1: just eat it up. Yeah, I'm guilty too. I did it,
Speaker 1: you know that I got you know, I took QAnon,
Speaker 1: oak Line and Sinker when when they rolled that out
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: You know, I think a lot of people did. And
Speaker 4: I think in a in a certain way, it did
Speaker 4: help wake people up, because I think child trafficking is
Speaker 4: a real problem and some of the things they talk about.
Speaker 4: But then that they went to mockery with JFK. Junior
Speaker 4: and all of these other things.
Speaker 1: And again it wasn't that aspect. There was more of
Speaker 1: the Trump still calling the shots from behind the scene.
Speaker 1: The white hat you can give mo about to be
Speaker 1: executed Hillary Bill and yeah.
Speaker 4: That's and they're all clones. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like my before bed reading material three
Speaker 1: or four years ago, like you know, just to just
Speaker 1: to feel good. And you know, finally I snapped out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 4: And this is something you know, history repeats itself that
Speaker 4: the Bullship fix did it in Rush one hundred years ago.
Speaker 4: Operation trust same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of people that have laughed at me
Speaker 1: for flat Earth. They say, way do you hear about
Speaker 1: mean mess? The truth about mean mister mustache? I don't
Speaker 1: know you. Did you see Europe? But eu Rope? That
Speaker 1: was pretty eye opening.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I referred to it as the Austrian painter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know, there's a lot of people who
Speaker 4: say both sides are controlled. And the hardest part is
Speaker 4: probably were everything is a lie, like everything, So how
Speaker 4: do you even make sense of when everything is is
Speaker 4: a lie? You know, it's you try to take it
Speaker 4: one at a time. I'll read anytime I do a podcast,
Speaker 4: I'll read at least minimum five to six articles, and
Speaker 4: then if that's not enough, I'll read more, discern what resonates,
Speaker 4: what doesn't, try to filter out what's obviously not in
Speaker 4: my opinion, and I think I try to conclude the
Speaker 4: truth in my mind that that doesn't make me write.
Speaker 4: I always start every podcast with you know, I'm going
Speaker 4: to present the information that resonates with me. You take it,
Speaker 4: you continue your research, and you come to your own conclusions.
Speaker 4: But people have been controlled to believe that you just
Speaker 4: you can't talk about certain things. And again it goes
Speaker 4: back to the very first time when I caught a
Speaker 4: flak for doing a flatter podcast on the fact Hunter
Speaker 4: is that there are a lot of people out there
Speaker 4: who don't question everything. It's like, you know, there's certain levels.
Speaker 4: There's some people who believe, you know, Glenn Beck is
Speaker 4: a truther. Then there's the next level, there's Alex Jones,
Speaker 4: and then there's all these different levels. And the fact is,
Speaker 4: unless you question every single thing, unless you have faith
Speaker 4: in Jesus Christ, right, that is the like you said earlier,
Speaker 4: the way the truth in life, that is the ultimate truth.
Speaker 4: And then you start to realize, like for me, flat
Speaker 4: Earth and really dedicating myself to Christ helps or I
Speaker 4: should say has helped me discern what is a lie
Speaker 4: and what is not. I don't know if that's I'm
Speaker 4: sure that's probably the case with yourself.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I think so, yes, kind of using the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit as your guide number one, just being awake
Speaker 1: to it all being a lie, you can at least
Speaker 1: like when you turn on the TV, you know what
Speaker 1: to expect, right, so you I think it prevents you
Speaker 1: from getting hooked into another another lie, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it it really took to getting to this point
Speaker 1: for me, if you know, flat Earth to be able
Speaker 1: to really see that that it's everything, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I believe that pro sports are fake.
Speaker 4: Sure, maybe not every single game, but the.
Speaker 1: Outcome, like the outcomes of the seasons are definitely.
Speaker 4: For sure, and the big games a while.
Speaker 1: Back where Shack basically admitted to it, yep.
Speaker 4: There's many athletes who have come out and said so.
Speaker 4: In the two thousand and two Lakers King series, that
Speaker 4: was the last time I ever watched pro basketball. Even
Speaker 4: then before when I was still a walking zombie, I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: this is raped, and of course it is.
Speaker 1: Well, there's videos on you know, they might be buried
Speaker 1: in YouTube and on like Rumble and Rock Fin. There's
Speaker 1: there's videos where they show you that there's magnets in
Speaker 1: the ball basically yep. You know, they showed the guy
Speaker 1: from the crowd, you know, take the half court shot
Speaker 1: at halftime, you know, the win ten thousand dollars or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, he misses, he misses by a mile. And
Speaker 1: yet you know, you have the players taking the three
Speaker 1: point shots at the buzzer, and the ball somehow magically
Speaker 1: finds its way right into the net.
Speaker 4: Yep. For sure, skill level, and it's the same with
Speaker 4: field goals in the NFL and there's just uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I've seen Super Bowls with just erroneous flags at the
Speaker 4: end and the outcomes. Yeah, it's again, we live in
Speaker 4: a matrix. We live in a structure that was created
Speaker 4: for us. And you know, once you wake up, you know,
Speaker 4: completely wake up, that does break a lot of the walls. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: they they have made it extremely difficult to live completely
Speaker 4: outside of the way.
Speaker 1: But it puts a wall up around you because everybody
Speaker 1: so then what's wrong with them?
Speaker 4: Yep? The biggest thing is you don't live in fear anymore.
Speaker 4: That that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Today When I can spend eternity with my with my.
Speaker 4: Lord absolutely and your man telling me on TV and whatever, dude, right,
Speaker 4: I don't. But the thing is, I don't allow other
Speaker 4: people to create my reality.
Speaker 1: There you go. I think that's a good note to
Speaker 1: end on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I'm going to trademark that real
Speaker 4: quick before this goes live, Sonny, and well listen, I'm
Speaker 4: going to give you the final word. I want to
Speaker 4: thank you for your time tonight, but please take the
Speaker 4: stage if you will, for the final word.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's definitely a journey, you know, just
Speaker 1: speaking to folks who may not be opened up to
Speaker 1: the true nature of our flat realm at this point
Speaker 1: in time. If you know, if you believe that the
Speaker 1: JFK shooting was more than the official narrative, you don't
Speaker 1: believe in the moon landing, Like these are all little
Speaker 1: checkpoints where you can realize that it's that they're lying
Speaker 1: to you, and they're lying to you to turn you
Speaker 1: away from your God. No, it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1: You know, they are trying to keep you comfortable, fat, distracted,
Speaker 1: and satisfied in this matrix where the other alter native
Speaker 1: is basically giving you your heart to your creator and
Speaker 1: having the opportunity to spend eternity in a perfect body
Speaker 1: in perfect paradise, you know. And I think it's your
Speaker 1: choice to make. That's definitely. You know, I'm not perfect
Speaker 1: by any means. I make mistakes every single day. I
Speaker 1: probably get too too ingrained in the conspiracy world from
Speaker 1: time to time, where you know, I have to really yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I need accountability just to step away and
Speaker 1: just enjoy enjoy time with my wife and my kids
Speaker 1: and just be present. You know, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: meant to know the truth. Oh. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: meant to know all of the truths about our reality
Speaker 1: in this life. But I think when we open our
Speaker 1: eyes in the afterlife or our eternal life, will know
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat.
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: John, Well, thank you, George. It was a pleasure to
Speaker 1: be on here with you, get to finally meet you.
Speaker 1: Keep fighting the good fight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was wonderful to have you on and and
Speaker 4: maybe this fall when things slow down, link up at
Speaker 4: the Miller's Buffet, the Miller's Smorgasbord and Lancaster and have
Speaker 4: a good meal.
Speaker 1: Absolutely stay in touch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, for sure. It's cool. I've been able to
Speaker 4: meet people local around here and that, like you said earlier,
Speaker 4: it's it's one thing to be in Facebook groups, Telegram groups,
Speaker 4: but to actually to you know, I did April nineteenth.
Speaker 4: I did a show in Oklahoma City and White Waco
Speaker 4: the next day, and bringing like minded people together and
Speaker 4: numbers is powerful. It was really an experience I'll never forget,
Speaker 4: and that's something I certainly want to redo again. So listen, John,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for your time, and God bless you,
Speaker 4: my friend.
Speaker 1: God bless you well. Thanks George, thanks everyone here before me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, to every person who's opened up their hearts
Speaker 4: and shared, you know, with with others, thank you so much,
Speaker 4: and again used a sermon in the coming months that
Speaker 4: they are you know, Biden conquer. November fifth is right
Speaker 4: around the corner, and that's going to be the headlined
Speaker 4: every day. But again Psalms one eighteen eight, you put
Speaker 4: your trust in the Lord, not man. God bless each
Speaker 4: and every one of you. Keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 4: And until we meet again, my friends, we will see ya.
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Speaker 6: I feel like you've lost your way.
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Speaker 4: Beautiful.
Speaker 2: You're shoving ride, Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving, you.
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Speaker 1: God a plane.
Speaker 4: Waits and die, God of if it colls and don't.
Speaker 2: Give up no dog giving never the hold, don't let
Speaker 2: go of the primes?
Speaker 3: Gettin't done?
Speaker 1: Lovers worth living?
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Speaker 1: The God of a.
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