Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: I'll take one?
Speaker 3: What a.
Speaker 2: Help you.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects Tonight we are talking cosmic
Speaker 3: egg symbolism and the UFO disclosure madness going on right now.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about alien cargo cults. We're going
Speaker 3: to talk about cargo cults that existed during World War Two,
Speaker 3: that exists to this very day and today I am
Speaker 3: joined by Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick introduced yourself.
Speaker 2: What up? Thank you very much, head Lis. I appreciate
Speaker 2: the topic. This definitely sounds like an interesting one and
Speaker 2: definitely quote my attention. Uh yeah, just real quick to
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it absolutely, Ethan Indigo, tell them where they
Speaker 3: can find you.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for getting me here. You guys appreciate it.
Speaker 4: A great topic, super fascinating all the internal and external
Speaker 4: aspects of this.
Speaker 5: So it's still to be here.
Speaker 4: And I'm on all the usual social media trying to
Speaker 4: formulate my own schitzo posting.
Speaker 3: And we are joined by JJ Vance, the Man, the Myth,
Speaker 3: the legend, reporting live from Florida on this UFL Egg mystery.
Speaker 3: So tell them where they can find you, JJ.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the invite, fellas JJ Vance, host of Operation GCD.
Speaker 1: As I put on the screen, They're not the vice president.
Speaker 1: Don't be confused. I'm looking forward to the conversation ancient
Speaker 1: alien cargo colts. That's now you're talking my language, and great,
Speaker 1: great for to see you and Ethan Needlis and Nick
Speaker 1: is always looking forward to the convoter.
Speaker 3: All right, so where do we start? Well, we got
Speaker 3: to start at the beginning, and in a lot of
Speaker 3: these proto Indo European language cultures, the beginning starts with
Speaker 3: an egg. An egg. That's what everything comes from. If
Speaker 3: you think about it. The egg shape is one of
Speaker 3: these universal geometries that you find in all these different
Speaker 3: bird species, all these different lizard species, all these different
Speaker 3: sort of species come from the egg. If you had
Speaker 3: asked the ancients which came first, the chicken or the egg,
Speaker 3: They're like, you're in an egg right now. They believe
Speaker 3: that the sky represented that bottom part, that bulbous part
Speaker 3: of the egg, and the ground was like that narrow
Speaker 3: part of the egg. And you could find this in
Speaker 3: the symbolism with Mithrs too. Mithras hatched from a rock
Speaker 3: that looked like an egg, and so above his head
Speaker 3: was all the zodiac signs in the shape of the
Speaker 3: bottom part of the egg, and below him was the
Speaker 3: Earth and he would come up out of this rock.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't alone, right, A lot of the ancient
Speaker 3: civilizations believed in this egg. And I don't think that
Speaker 3: it could be any clearer that what we are dealing
Speaker 3: with right now with this UFO quote unquote disclosure within
Speaker 3: the past couple of days is a ritual, however you
Speaker 3: want to feel about it. Whether it came from a
Speaker 3: different planet, it came from the planet Earth, it came
Speaker 3: from a different dimension. What they're trying to show with
Speaker 3: this egg goes back to the origins of humanity. They're
Speaker 3: trying to revive this idea that we're emerging into a
Speaker 3: new form of consciousness and they're showing it to you
Speaker 3: with some of the weirdest stuff imaginable. So if we
Speaker 3: could hop over to Twitter and show them that video
Speaker 3: real quick, there's just so much. Yeah, there's so much
Speaker 3: out there that is self contradictory and a little bit
Speaker 3: weird about this whole situation. But uh, if we could,
Speaker 3: if we could just listen to what they're saying, they'll
Speaker 3: tell you what ritual is going off.
Speaker 2: Are you good for me to play?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: Body?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Good?
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 7: As I came over this object for the pit, there
Speaker 7: was this.
Speaker 1: Overwhelming sense of emotion.
Speaker 3: Is it your feeling?
Speaker 5: Are you suddenly having an intel breakdown on the job. No.
Speaker 7: I felt like something connected with me. I felt like
Speaker 7: something had tuned into me and my soul and was
Speaker 7: providing me some sense of guidance on what to do
Speaker 7: and how profound what I was doing was. And it
Speaker 7: was so overwhelming that I began to cry. And then
Speaker 7: I'm confused as to why I'm crying at the same time,
Speaker 7: and then I'm do I abort the mission?
Speaker 5: Do I?
Speaker 7: And so I just did my best to focus on
Speaker 7: my particular use when doing this type of work, and
Speaker 7: I got the load hooked up and I began flying away.
Speaker 7: And once it was just me and that object in
Speaker 7: between the pick and the drop side, or was about
Speaker 7: twenty miles in between, I felt like something was inside
Speaker 7: of me. I felt like I was possessed by the
Speaker 7: most beautiful spirit I'd ever been possessed by.
Speaker 1: And was it loving?
Speaker 7: It was loving, but there was a sense of sadness
Speaker 7: at the same time. And had you ever had an
Speaker 7: experience like this before? No? No, it was a very
Speaker 7: feminine energy. I'll tell you that it felt like it
Speaker 7: felt like the spirit of God, but not in any
Speaker 7: masculine sense. And it wasn't like soule. It was like
Speaker 7: a frequency that I was connected with. And whatever that
Speaker 7: force was, since that night, it has stayed with me.
Speaker 7: And as crazy as it sounds, it's what's guiding me
Speaker 7: now and it's what's providing protection for me.
Speaker 3: It's changed your life, it's changed my life. Well, there
Speaker 3: you go. So that was the pilot who is foregoing
Speaker 3: all security clearances and everything else matchable to tell everybody
Speaker 3: the good news that this egg was laid by Mother. Well, Gaya,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna put it out there. There's a gaya
Speaker 3: element to this. From my own personal workings, my spiritual
Speaker 3: practice consists of singing to the gods. When you sing
Speaker 3: to the gods, you can actually change the energy in
Speaker 3: your body to align with the energy of these different deities.
Speaker 3: We can get into the definition of a god and
Speaker 3: what that means. But anybody can do it. Anybody can
Speaker 3: start to connect with these things. And the exact emotion
Speaker 3: that that guy is describing is what you will feel
Speaker 3: when you get into a trance and start singing to Gaia.
Speaker 3: You will feel that love and that sadness. It's overwhelming.
Speaker 3: It will cause you to cry, you know.
Speaker 2: Is interesting. Sorry I interrupted you. I thought you were
Speaker 2: actually going to stop before you say get into cry,
Speaker 2: And now I feel bad that I interrupted the emotional part.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, you know, but I was gonna like,
Speaker 2: is this almost this sounds very much like things that
Speaker 2: I have done in the past are taking on the
Speaker 2: god form of something before I do a ritual. Is
Speaker 2: is that kind of like what you're kind of like
Speaker 2: bringing in that the idea of that God as you're singing.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I just festing because I used to do
Speaker 2: that kind of in a different way.
Speaker 3: For reference. I think it's important to define a god, right,
Speaker 3: So in my experience, this is this is my definition
Speaker 3: of what a god is. It's a personification of a
Speaker 3: sphere or a circle of influence. So if you believe
Speaker 3: there's one god over the entire universe that would still
Speaker 3: apply to this definition. If you leave there are lots
Speaker 3: and lots and lots of gods over all sorts of
Speaker 3: other things. You are personifying those energies that are over
Speaker 3: top of that thing, and you're trying to connect with it.
Speaker 3: This is why people get confused by all these different
Speaker 3: labels of all these different gods. But the ancients had
Speaker 3: what they called syncretism, where they would look at the
Speaker 3: attributes of these different gods worship by these people and
Speaker 3: then say, I know that energy, I felt that energy.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that this is most like this thing.
Speaker 3: And in doing so they're making that sort of meshing
Speaker 3: of these different cultures and having a cultural understanding that
Speaker 3: they didn't really have before. Now, in the case of
Speaker 3: this Gaya idea, this goes back to Greek mythology where
Speaker 3: they're talking about and is both a muse and the
Speaker 3: origin of the universe. Right, So she's one of the
Speaker 3: nine muses. She talks about music, and she talks about
Speaker 3: all this other stuff. But then you get deeper into
Speaker 3: the mythology and you find the orphic egg is laid
Speaker 3: by Urana. So before there was anything else there was
Speaker 3: this Uranya character, and she had her feet on nothing,
Speaker 3: and she wanted to put her feet on something. And
Speaker 3: so this snake came out of nowhere, and that snake
Speaker 3: that came out of nowhere had her lay an egg.
Speaker 3: It wrapped itself around that egg seven times, and then
Speaker 3: that egg hatched with fines Protogonos. According to the Orphix
Speaker 3: and Fanes, Protogonos is the first born, Light the first born,
Speaker 3: and Light the firstborn, then gave rise to everything else
Speaker 3: in the universe. They talk about from like a Promenades perspective.
Speaker 3: They believe that everything is sort of layered and teared
Speaker 3: down from that one original source. So before there was anything,
Speaker 3: there was Uranya, this muse, one of the nine muses.
Speaker 3: And also she gave birth to everything with this egg.
Speaker 3: Now that's not the only form of mythology we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about tonight, But does anybody have anything that
Speaker 3: they'd like to throw in right now? Because this really
Speaker 3: gets into those cargo cults.
Speaker 4: Interesting, I like it, were you going to mention pegu headless?
Speaker 3: You bet?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I saw that comment on that the monkey on top
Speaker 3: of the hill was hatched in an egg.
Speaker 4: That's so penguins, and then there's I think it was
Speaker 4: was he referring to Hanuman or.
Speaker 5: In that column?
Speaker 3: I think pengu was the first, right, So pengu was
Speaker 3: this this giant that came out of a rock, and
Speaker 3: on his body were all of the features on the
Speaker 3: planet Earth, right, So his spinal column would be the mountains,
Speaker 3: you know, his shoulders would be the cliffs. Basically, it's
Speaker 3: the anthropost the idea that all of the Earth can
Speaker 3: be taken down and boiled down into this an logical
Speaker 3: figure or this man like figure. Do you want to
Speaker 3: pull up the Chinese drawing of pengu I think I
Speaker 3: sent that to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me one second real quick.
Speaker 1: And what does this monkey do? I'm not familiar with this.
Speaker 2: Pegu monkey actually.
Speaker 3: Right, So they call him the Chinese Prometheus because he
Speaker 3: is the one that gave us fire, right, and also
Speaker 3: in his hatching from this egg and being the first
Speaker 3: one to separate the sky from the earth, he was
Speaker 3: capable of transforming and changing the environment that we see,
Speaker 3: and then he eventually became the earth itself. So he's
Speaker 3: this sort of heroic figure that separates all of the
Speaker 3: things that were once meshed together. And then he his
Speaker 3: body itself, the body of this giant pengu then became
Speaker 3: the earth and all the things that we see around us.
Speaker 3: So we're sort of living on the back of this
Speaker 3: pengu character h.
Speaker 4: And the fleas that he was infested with is what
Speaker 4: we are, right.
Speaker 3: So this is finest protogonos. This is the guy that
Speaker 3: comes out of the orphic egg. Right, So we'll we'll
Speaker 3: get to that in a minute. But sure you're here, We'll.
Speaker 2: Let me know when to stop.
Speaker 3: Ye perfect egg, keep going a little bit more. He
Speaker 3: might be the very first one to sen you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: there's that's the video of the egg hanging from the
Speaker 3: if you go back one right, so as you can
Speaker 3: see with that orphic egg gets wrapped up in a snake.
Speaker 3: Well this this egg is wrapped up in a rope
Speaker 3: and it's being hung from the helicopter, you see. So
Speaker 3: this is the downward view from the helicopter down towards
Speaker 3: this UFO object.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: And this is that's supposedly this u FO egg wrapped
Speaker 3: up in this rope and being carried from one point
Speaker 3: A to point B. And everybody makes fun of it.
Speaker 3: They they take black and white videos of themselves swinging
Speaker 3: an egg around underneath it.
Speaker 1: I've seen this is good, right and.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, I mean you're looking at the orphic egg.
Speaker 3: Whatever kind of ritual they're doing has to do with
Speaker 3: this origin of mankind. So let's let's keep going.
Speaker 2: Hasn't people, famous people done stuff like that, put themselves
Speaker 2: in eggs and ship Didn't Gaga do something like that
Speaker 2: to an extent?
Speaker 3: Gaga came out of an egg, yet she hatched for
Speaker 3: her concert. Mork and Mindy that old uh. Oh, you
Speaker 3: show what is right there? M right, So it's it's
Speaker 3: right there. They're telling you over and over again. The
Speaker 3: aliens are coming from the egg. The new eon is
Speaker 3: coming from the egg. So but this uh penguin guy,
Speaker 3: if we could scroll over to him, I think he
Speaker 3: might be the first.
Speaker 2: One on the uh. I don't know. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: think maybe I don't have it. That's these are the
Speaker 2: only ones I got, all right, I'm just going through that.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think so damn.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, but oh, so there you go.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 3: There's another image of this egg that they say was
Speaker 3: inside of a cave in Antarctica. And there's so much
Speaker 3: about this cave that goes back to the Mithras cult
Speaker 3: and Mithra was another one of these characters. That's that's
Speaker 3: Mythra's emerging from the egg, but they call it a rock.
Speaker 1: Got I got a quick question for their headless that
Speaker 1: egg that they just showed the News Nation footage from
Speaker 1: that came from Antarctica supposedly.
Speaker 3: Uh, this guy did not say that it came from Antarctica.
Speaker 3: What he He didn't specify the location. He said that
Speaker 3: the psychics working for the government called the lefo down
Speaker 3: doing a CE five type ritual. Sure, and then he
Speaker 3: was tasked to go out there, hook it up and
Speaker 3: then make the pick and fly it back about twenty
Speaker 3: miles away.
Speaker 5: He referred to the location.
Speaker 4: That this happened that as the range, which I guess
Speaker 4: is a reference to a place in Utah where there
Speaker 4: are a couple of different bases.
Speaker 3: Well, it could be Utah, that would make sense totally.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what what I inferred, right.
Speaker 3: That's that makes sense with the Mormon obsession with UFOs
Speaker 3: and UFO cultism and everything. But range is what they
Speaker 3: call all of the open land used for any purpose
Speaker 3: around any military reservation. So if you're out there hunting
Speaker 3: on a military reservation, you're going to be hunting on
Speaker 3: the range. It's all the places that don't have buildings.
Speaker 2: Basically, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: For you, there's out there two I'm sure that could be.
Speaker 1: That covers a lot of a lot of real estate,
Speaker 1: these ranges out out there.
Speaker 5: In me.
Speaker 4: He mentioned a second story where he was in Sierra Nevada,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't It wasn't the same location. I think
Speaker 4: that is the story where he talked about him getting
Speaker 4: what seemed to be radiation exposure effects.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of these eggs. This would be the
Speaker 3: sculpture of pengu. I believe that's on the Mongolian step.
Speaker 3: The Mongolians are the tie between Proto Indo European language
Speaker 3: and the Chinese. The Chinese have lots of different Proto
Speaker 3: Indo European words that they borrowed from the Mongolians, who
Speaker 3: are related to the Huns, which go all the way
Speaker 3: back to the Proto Indo European language route. So all
Speaker 3: of the the languages we speak in Europe come from
Speaker 3: Proto Indo European language roots. Hebrew comes from a asi
Speaker 3: Afro Asiatic language, so it's a little bit different. But
Speaker 3: if you're talking about Sumerian as they as they refer
Speaker 3: to it as like one of the first like written languages.
Speaker 3: They would say Sumerian is a standalone language, but the
Speaker 3: language of the Akkadians was a proto Indo European language root.
Speaker 3: So when the Acadians conquered the Sumerians, everybody tried to
Speaker 3: speak the holy language of Sumerian, but it was just
Speaker 3: too hard for them, so they decided to sort of
Speaker 3: blend it in with Akkadian. And that's how proto Indo
Speaker 3: European languages were supposedly first recorded with symbols, creating a
Speaker 3: written form of it. Now, this spoken language was all
Speaker 3: over the globe and had so many different forms by
Speaker 3: the time Sumerian came around that it almost doesn't make
Speaker 3: any sense to focus solely on the first written language
Speaker 3: as opposed to all of these spoken languages. And in
Speaker 3: all of these spoken languages, you've got this egg symbolism,
Speaker 3: egg ufo cargo cult symbolism. This is where the gods
Speaker 3: came from, this is where the people who formed us
Speaker 3: came from. And then you see in these Sumerian Akkadian
Speaker 3: mythologies you have this Anki and his brother Enleel and
Speaker 3: Enki and Enleel would represent this kind of elohem type
Speaker 3: first gods that are talked about as these sort of
Speaker 3: pseudo alien figures that are forming man, that are forming
Speaker 3: the idea of what humans are as opposed to what
Speaker 3: other creatures are in this mythology. So it really does
Speaker 3: come down to this egg is the first UFO cargo
Speaker 3: cults they see these things flying around in their sky,
Speaker 3: They're like, what is this? Maybe they have psychic connections
Speaker 3: to something happening here.
Speaker 2: Oh do you see that one painting with the UFO
Speaker 2: in the sky does look like an egg, but there's
Speaker 2: the wah, my god, it's like an old one and
Speaker 2: people point at it saying like, oh, look, you were
Speaker 2: seeing UFOs back then, but it was more of actually
Speaker 2: an egg anything.
Speaker 3: There's a painting of Jesus Christ on the Cross where
Speaker 3: you've got these two figures that look like it might
Speaker 3: be related to the sun and the moon on either side,
Speaker 3: but they're egg shaped UFO craft that are on either
Speaker 3: side of this mural, and it's bizarre and so faberge
Speaker 3: eggs another perfect example, like this one's upside down. You've
Speaker 3: got to have the fat side on top and the
Speaker 3: skinny side on the bottom. Now, why with the orphic
Speaker 3: egg would it be the reverse. Maybe it's kind of
Speaker 3: indicate where this snake energy is coming from. And what's
Speaker 3: interesting too, is that the Egyptians had a cosmic egg
Speaker 3: as well. And what the Egyptians believed was that there
Speaker 3: were four primordial males, four primordial females, and the four
Speaker 3: primordial males were in the shape of frogs like kech
Speaker 3: Keck would be one of these mortial gods from the
Speaker 3: Egyptian mythology, and all of the females are in the
Speaker 3: shape of serpents. So they've got these serpents and these
Speaker 3: I think you have the stella there of the snakes
Speaker 3: and the back on there we go, you passed it.
Speaker 3: So these would be the ones that laid the egg together.
Speaker 3: So you've got all of these frog faced primordial males
Speaker 3: and all of these serpent faced primordial females, and together,
Speaker 3: between the frogs and the serpents, they were able to
Speaker 3: coalesce the ogdod into an egg, and that egg erupted
Speaker 3: into all the creation that we see around us. Very interesting.
Speaker 3: But before the egg was the primordial chaotic sea. There
Speaker 3: was no form. It was all hidden underneath this chaotic sea.
Speaker 3: And so this primordial egg was immortalized in the Ben
Speaker 3: Benz Stone, which is the first piece of land that
Speaker 3: emerged from this primordial sea of chaos in the Egyptian pantheon.
Speaker 3: And what you find is that despite all of the
Speaker 3: different myths, they all have sort of this idea of
Speaker 3: the ben Benz Stone emerging from this chaos. So they
Speaker 3: had several different mythologies in Egypt that represented the beginning
Speaker 3: of creation. It all had to do with this ben
Speaker 3: Bend stone merging from the waters, merging from the chaos.
Speaker 3: You can go into the the the idea of Noah
Speaker 3: and the arc, right, So he sends these birds around
Speaker 3: and one of them finds dry land, bringing back a
Speaker 3: branch showing that there's something out there, like this ben
Speaker 3: ben Stone that they can land on. And so you've
Speaker 3: got the idea of the waters of chaos being put
Speaker 3: to bed by the egg. Think about the matrix too,
Speaker 3: what's he inside of this sort of sacods, right, So
Speaker 3: he's inside this egg or pod that he's emerging out of.
Speaker 3: That eventually is this sort of you know, awakening, awakening
Speaker 3: of consciousness seeing what the world looks like for for
Speaker 3: what it is, and so they're they're feeding us all
Speaker 3: this egg symbolism. It was an egg. It was an egg,
Speaker 3: and these people are making jokes about it, and they're
Speaker 3: making all this fun stuff. If you go back to
Speaker 3: this one right here, right before.
Speaker 2: This, Okay, this one is it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: The other one right, the one right before? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there we go.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see the snake wrapped around it.
Speaker 3: You see the snake wrapped around it. You see he's
Speaker 3: kind of standing on top of this globe or this egg.
Speaker 3: And this has so much to do with Baphomet, right,
Speaker 3: So this is a Roman version of the aon, right,
Speaker 3: and the aon is the idea of the spirit of
Speaker 3: the age. Right. He's got this lion face, he's got
Speaker 3: the wings like an angel. He's got his jump covered up.
Speaker 3: You can see a little bit of Roman symbolism there.
Speaker 3: He's got the torch in one hand. You know that.
Speaker 3: If you if you scroll ahead another two you'll see
Speaker 3: what the Orphics thought of this. This is what they
Speaker 3: called uh faunas pro togonos. But the Romans are calling
Speaker 3: this guy a And if you look at early Roman
Speaker 3: one more, there we go that this is what the
Speaker 3: Greek saw as on as Pertogonos, So you've got the
Speaker 3: Greek version and the Roman version of this aon figure.
Speaker 3: You could see he's still got a little bit of
Speaker 3: the egg yolk on his head. He's standing with the
Speaker 3: bull hoofs on top of the bottom of the egg
Speaker 3: right there, and you could see that's the narrow part
Speaker 3: of the egg, and he's wearing the fat part of
Speaker 3: the egg as this crown, right, and so this is
Speaker 3: how and around his body you can see all of
Speaker 3: the different signs of the zodiac. So it's not just
Speaker 3: that he's emerging from the egg, but the planet that
Speaker 3: we're on the middle point of all of this stuff
Speaker 3: is like an egg as well. So it's like eggs
Speaker 3: within eggs within eggs. It's all Russian nesting dolls of eggs.
Speaker 3: We're all emerging, we're all going back into the egg
Speaker 3: when we die. All the rest of this stuff sort
Speaker 3: of condensed down into the the first original primordial view
Speaker 3: of the beginning of everything, and so it's a lot
Speaker 3: like this idea of the Big Bang. But also when
Speaker 3: the egg inside of a woman is fertilized by a sperm,
Speaker 3: there is a reaction between the zinc and the calcium
Speaker 3: inside of the egg that produces a type of flash
Speaker 3: of light. So as soon as the sperm is entering
Speaker 3: the egg, the snake is entering the egg, there's a
Speaker 3: flash of light. Fin us, which, right, how would they
Speaker 3: know this stuff? There's something primordial about this egginess.
Speaker 2: To iver, we come in with the flesh of light
Speaker 2: and we go out with.
Speaker 3: One right, amazing, Well, we can all hope that we
Speaker 3: go out with a bang, because.
Speaker 2: That's what it seems like for me from my experiences.
Speaker 2: It's a flash of light. Something I want to say
Speaker 2: about this image is this is total Hermit card to me,
Speaker 2: at least the Golden Dawn one. You got the snake
Speaker 2: underneath him, he's holding the staff. He does have like
Speaker 2: kind of one hand open though. Another thing to me
Speaker 2: even with this, and why I see more of the
Speaker 2: Hermit card too, is because the Hermit card would fall
Speaker 2: in between Tiffareth and Chessit and this sign for Tiffareth
Speaker 2: could be a child, So I could even see into
Speaker 2: play how that card to me would kind of almost
Speaker 2: have like maybe an in between of both those fears.
Speaker 2: So just I see how the Hermit card can maybe
Speaker 2: be played off of this idea or part of this
Speaker 2: idea whatever it's trying to show. As well. I think
Speaker 2: the Hermit card, in my opinion, or a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff with the snake, especially because the Hermit card
Speaker 2: is going towards chess. It Now, that's an abundance that's
Speaker 2: stupid or that's expansive. I think the snake is the
Speaker 2: twisting of the twisting of your pupil clothes and the
Speaker 2: abundance of white or your other eye filling in. That's
Speaker 2: my opinion, you know, And that's why I think the
Speaker 2: hermit sometimes has this. So you know, the stuff with
Speaker 2: the hands, I think is neither showing that the pupils
Speaker 2: open or closed. And the snake is going to do
Speaker 2: you know what, It's going to either open up or
Speaker 2: it's gonna eat itself or swirl up. That's my opinion.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I do see for some reason, just
Speaker 2: as soon as I saw this and I noticed the
Speaker 2: staff in his hand, the first thing in my mind
Speaker 2: was the Hermit card.
Speaker 3: M well, as any good Catholic knows this right here
Speaker 3: is the fourfold angel. Do you see any resemblance between
Speaker 3: this fullfold with the bull and the and the Eagle
Speaker 3: and the Lion and this honest protogonos. It's the same
Speaker 3: thing if you're inside the church and you see these symbols.
Speaker 3: They're saying that there is a spiritual root that all
Speaker 3: of this stuff is coming from. And unfortunately they're not
Speaker 3: going to tell you about what that is. They're just
Speaker 3: going to tell you about the iconography that they know about.
Speaker 3: But once you track the iconography over and over again.
Speaker 3: I got that from Mario from Symbolic Studies, right, Mario
Speaker 3: is talking about the composition is the four living creatures
Speaker 3: as tetra morph, so that four living creatures tetra morph
Speaker 3: is the Catholic version of finest protogonos eon from the
Speaker 3: Roman and now the tetramorph under Christianity. They're talking about
Speaker 3: the same stuff here, people. It's all emerging from the egg.
Speaker 3: They're all part of this ancient, ancient form of cargo cults.
Speaker 3: That's really good.
Speaker 1: That's a great point you make there. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a really compelling argument when you see all these things.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of Christianity stuff has obviously
Speaker 1: been known to being adapted through from other previous religions
Speaker 1: and whatnot, But I mean, I think it does speak
Speaker 1: to this cargo cult concept that I like to claim.
Speaker 1: We live in a world of ancient alien car cults,
Speaker 1: that folks are leading the world, and you know, they
Speaker 1: subscribe to these ideals and and try to replicate these
Speaker 1: things that that will that will bring. No, there's no
Speaker 1: practical value to their activities.
Speaker 2: What the hell are we going to start a cult?
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody else is doing it.
Speaker 3: Our cult is exposing the other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Mark says, I'm a di ocultist right where
Speaker 4: you're revealing the hidden, which they try to. There is
Speaker 4: an expression I have never been able to find the
Speaker 4: exact root of it, but it's I've heard it referenced
Speaker 4: many times. Uh culster runs down government runs downstream of culture,
Speaker 4: and culture runs downstream of religion. So all these ideas
Speaker 4: are really like, even when you don't know about them,
Speaker 4: are so governing to the whole kind of spectrum of society.
Speaker 5: I wanted to.
Speaker 4: Add on pangu as a primal entity, and I've noticed
Speaker 4: this being kind of a constant with really primal entities
Speaker 4: that he has horns, and some people relate that to
Speaker 4: the pillars or any number of symbologic symbolological traits or
Speaker 4: maybe even antenna being able to connect and communicate maybe.
Speaker 5: And also he.
Speaker 4: Comes out with a hammer and chisel, which is kind
Speaker 4: of the primordial symbolism before the square and compass, right,
Speaker 4: and he hammers and chisels the world before he.
Speaker 5: Dies and becomes it. And you know the variety of
Speaker 5: how those stories go.
Speaker 3: Right. So if you look up the cherub of Ezekiel,
Speaker 3: that's where you'll find the tetramorph.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So the tetramorph has these wings. They emphasize the wings
Speaker 3: a lot more than they do the heads. The tetramorph
Speaker 3: idea is sort of put in the background as to
Speaker 3: how many wings and eyes these things have. And then
Speaker 3: you have the biblically accurate angels where they're talking about
Speaker 3: all these wings, all these eyes, all these circles within circles,
Speaker 3: and all the rest of the stuff, which is like
Speaker 3: visionary experiences of these basic principles. So another way of
Speaker 3: showing this egg would be by identifying it as this taurus, right,
Speaker 3: this trus frequency the shape of this donut idea, and
Speaker 3: this donut shape is over the entire globe. It's how
Speaker 3: magnetic charges pass outside of our atmosphere and back down
Speaker 3: into the south pole. The north pole is giving out
Speaker 3: that charge. Maybe the north pole is sucking in the
Speaker 3: electrons and the South pole is spitting them out. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure which, but you have the idea that there
Speaker 3: is a frequency of electromagnetic energy that is enveloping the
Speaker 3: world as this sort of electromagnetic egg. And in my
Speaker 3: experience is the god Oceanus is less related to just
Speaker 3: water and he's more related to the electromagnetic nature of
Speaker 3: the enveloping of this planet. So in the mythology for Greek,
Speaker 3: they talk about how Oceanus is the rivers that surround
Speaker 3: the world, and if you're seeing it from a perspective
Speaker 3: of an ancient Greek having a visionary experience, you're going
Speaker 3: to see whatever you're on being surrounded by this luminous
Speaker 3: energy that encircles it. It's like this is the egg
Speaker 3: yolk right around this vast egg there. So, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: Oceanus is more related to the ambient electromagnetic forces within
Speaker 3: our atmosphere as opposed to just water, because those forces
Speaker 3: are still present in water as well, and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of charge in water. But I believe it has
Speaker 3: more to do with that electromagnetic energy. And Oceans is
Speaker 3: pretty interesting character because hera in the Greek mythology or
Speaker 3: ada era, right, she's referred to as this sort of
Speaker 3: a time construct while at the same time being this
Speaker 3: feminine construct. She believes that Ocens and Tetus are the
Speaker 3: first primordial god and goddesses. So she comes out of
Speaker 3: the water because they're the ones who adopted her. These
Speaker 3: are the Titans who adopted Heda. Now, Oceans was never
Speaker 3: involved in Titanamaki, He's never fought in any of these
Speaker 3: battles against the Olympias. He's always just sort of been
Speaker 3: in the background. Because maybe he is the primordial one.
Speaker 3: He is the egg. Right, This ancient sort of idea
Speaker 3: of electromagnetics covering the planet could be the idea that
Speaker 3: we're formed as this egg, and that when this egg
Speaker 3: breaks apart in some way, we enter a new eon.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the procession of the zodiac. All of this
Speaker 3: stuff goes back to the zodiac figures. Even the tetramorph
Speaker 3: goes back to these zodiac figures. You know, you've got
Speaker 3: the head of the bull, the head of the eagle,
Speaker 3: the head of the lion, and the head of the
Speaker 3: man being the head of the angel. On that tetramorph
Speaker 3: having to do with these four seasons, you've got earth, fire, water,
Speaker 3: and then sort of man or this airy energy sort
Speaker 3: of right in the middle of all of it. Even
Speaker 3: in that tetramorph figure, you get the idea that we're
Speaker 3: in the middle of all of these things. Now in
Speaker 3: the tetramorph, they've gotten rid of the snake and replaced
Speaker 3: it with a curvy sword. So instead of a curvy snake,
Speaker 3: you've got a curvy sword. But the idea behind that
Speaker 3: tetramorphic sword is kind of the same idea as this snake.
Speaker 3: It's the piercer, right. If you think about what the
Speaker 3: sperm is, the sperm is piercing the egg. It's creating
Speaker 3: that light energy. So what they're trying to do is
Speaker 3: they're giving you the figure of the egg. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they are the ones who are going to
Speaker 3: crack it or if we're supposed to be the ones
Speaker 3: to crack it in this formulation, but if they're giving
Speaker 3: you the egg, there has to be a crack. That's
Speaker 3: the idea beyond going into a new eon, and maybe
Speaker 3: that requires some sacrifice. So don't be surprised if there
Speaker 3: is something associated with these deities, these figures, this stuff
Speaker 3: coming to light and sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Now, uh, we're talking ritual human sacrifice here.
Speaker 3: Right, But you could say any war could be a
Speaker 3: ritual human sacrifice it's concocted enough. You could say, any
Speaker 3: natural disaster that's not responded to properly, it could be
Speaker 3: a ritual human sacrifice.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: There's lots and lots of ways that the world's controllers
Speaker 3: could initiate ritual human sacrifice without having to pull people
Speaker 3: up on the altar, open their chest up, and throw
Speaker 3: their hearts out to the crowd.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 1: Sure, you gotta crack a few eggs to build a humanity.
Speaker 1: I guess that's it.
Speaker 3: And this is the oldest religion of all time and
Speaker 3: it all has to do with the egg. So you
Speaker 3: tell me, does the oldest religion of all time probably
Speaker 3: have something to do with human sacrifice? You better fucking
Speaker 3: believe it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I got.
Speaker 3: Isaac up on that hill to kill him because that
Speaker 3: was part of the earlier religious concepts in that area.
Speaker 2: I would consider a religious war already considered sacrifice, because
Speaker 2: you're killing in the name of your God. M hm.
Speaker 3: Absolutely kill more of them than they kill of you
Speaker 3: and you've won.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that shows you whose god is real?
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely unless you got that.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine that motherfucker is willing to kill each
Speaker 2: other over trying to prove something they've never seen or
Speaker 2: touch to tangible is real.
Speaker 3: This is this is why I like, This is why
Speaker 3: I like Meaganism a power.
Speaker 5: What they were.
Speaker 3: In Pagan Wars kidnap the other cities idol, right, so there,
Speaker 3: and they would say, powerful than more powerful than you,
Speaker 3: We're going to take your idol and take it back
Speaker 3: with us. It was like a game to capture the flag. Yeah,
Speaker 3: should that idol you were more powerful than it. But
Speaker 3: strangely enough, that was a form of diplomacy because once
Speaker 3: you took that idol back to your home base, then
Speaker 3: all of the worshippers of that idol had to come
Speaker 3: to you and pay you tribute to come see their god.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a good point. That's an interesting way
Speaker 1: to develop a whole new system over there around these things.
Speaker 3: Oh whole new.
Speaker 1: Alcoralizer was so much of this kidnapping of the icons
Speaker 1: of the other opposing forces.
Speaker 3: This is this is where you get the idea of
Speaker 3: the dying and rising gods is because not only would
Speaker 3: you be able to kidnap one of their idols, but
Speaker 3: also what if you got that idol back, or what
Speaker 3: if somebody had a vision of that idol changing and
Speaker 3: transforming and becoming something new. So you've got this dying
Speaker 3: and rising God sort of blooming into something else because
Speaker 3: the belief systems now have to change based off of
Speaker 3: the facts on the ground, so something has to change.
Speaker 3: Therefore that God has risen again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: I like it. So I want to get into cargo
Speaker 3: cults for a minute. Have you ever heard of John Frump?
Speaker 1: I have not, not until you posted that stuff on
Speaker 1: Twister earlier. That was interesting.
Speaker 3: So John Crumb is the Oh man, I can't believe
Speaker 3: I'm blanking on this. What do you call the initial
Speaker 3: party to make contact with anybody?
Speaker 6: See, no, no, no, no, These are the reconnaissance Oh right,
Speaker 6: So the recon brigade or the recon element goes out
Speaker 6: there and finds a place for you to set up shop,
Speaker 6: whatever you.
Speaker 3: Have to do, and then they report back and then
Speaker 3: those recon guys given their information. Look, he's got the
Speaker 3: egg on top of his head too, just like Fomas Bartok.
Speaker 2: And the other one had a crab in that type
Speaker 2: whatever type animal that is on his leg. It matches
Speaker 2: right here we're doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming that's of.
Speaker 3: Course that's the Masonic arch. The crab is at the top. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all inn egg cancer that runs you the time of year,
Speaker 3: that's high summer right there. That's what the Masonic arch
Speaker 3: is all about. It's all right there if you know
Speaker 3: what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of relation to serious, right with
Speaker 1: the Masonic business and stuff there. So is there a
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar enough with the serious sales or legends
Speaker 1: or you know, lower is there egg anything egg related
Speaker 1: in there?
Speaker 3: Well, the dog star and dogs love munching on eggs.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that is a good point. And Washington,
Speaker 3: DC itself has the streets centered around the height of
Speaker 3: the dog Star in the summertime, So the streets from
Speaker 3: Capitol Hill, if you look straight down one of the
Speaker 3: streets at Capitol Hill, you can see the dog Star
Speaker 3: rising straight up and down over that street, exactly where
Speaker 3: they've laid the proportions out to. So Washington DC is
Speaker 3: a dog Star city.
Speaker 1: So that's Constitution Avenue. I believe that you're referring.
Speaker 2: To could be.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'd have to be there and watch it,
Speaker 3: but they have witches and covens that are specifically allowed
Speaker 3: to do rituals out there in Washington, d C. As
Speaker 3: the Rising of the dog Star is happening. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you've ever heard the song, but I in
Speaker 3: the Sky by I forgot his name. He's a big
Speaker 3: producer in the nineteen seventies. He makes a lot of
Speaker 3: smooth music. He's done so much for the rock scene
Speaker 3: back then. Anyways, he had this song called Serious, which
Speaker 3: you hear before all the basketball games, right, but I
Speaker 3: can't really sing it, but anyways, the Serious song is
Speaker 3: what you hear as the basketball players are coming out
Speaker 3: to the field, like anytime the bulls are coming out,
Speaker 3: you hear the song Serious by this guy weird really right,
Speaker 3: So if you think about the Michael Alan Parsons project.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 1: Brought that up for us, There you.
Speaker 3: Go, Well you know what I'm talking about. That song
Speaker 3: is called Serious and it's on the same album as
Speaker 3: I in the Sky and the cover art for that
Speaker 3: album is the eye of Horace. Right, So he's getting
Speaker 3: really deep into that ancient mythology that's supposed to activate
Speaker 3: the parts of your mind that associate with this stuff,
Speaker 3: the ancient ancestral memories.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Once you understand that, you can see how people like
Speaker 3: Alan Parsons are trying to crack your egg. Right. The
Speaker 3: person who cracks the egg is the guy who gets
Speaker 3: to cook the dish, right, And in a lot of ways,
Speaker 3: Alan Parsons was the type of producer who really cracked
Speaker 3: the egg in the nineteen seventies and early eighties. He
Speaker 3: produced all the music that you know of in the
Speaker 3: top ten back then, he was doing all that stuff.
Speaker 3: The Alan Parsons Project was not as popular as all
Speaker 3: that stuff, but he was happy to stay in the background.
Speaker 3: With one hit, I Am the Eye in the Sky
Speaker 3: looking at You. Everybody knows that song, right, it's all
Speaker 3: the elevator music. You can identify it without ever having
Speaker 3: to hear a single word from that song. It's like,
Speaker 3: I know this thing before. He's activating that part of
Speaker 3: your brain. And you know, Alan Parson was a huge occultist,
Speaker 3: very big time Okay, So you look through his stuff,
Speaker 3: you're going to start to see it on almost every level.
Speaker 2: But you know that's what you're just saying, is his Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: And that is a brutal song. It's all about direct
Speaker 3: mind control using the most brutal type of methods. It's
Speaker 3: just like, right in your face, I'm never gonna listen
Speaker 3: to what you have to say. You call me a liar,
Speaker 3: I say, so what all sorts of that kind of imagery.
Speaker 3: It's like it's it's a brutal dictatorship he's describing in
Speaker 3: that Eye in the Sky song. I encourage people listen
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: And itself just like sounds you know, suspect, It sounds like,
Speaker 2: do you offer him? I was even saying to Ethan.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's a stretch, but I mean
Speaker 2: sometimes in my opinion, when you see UFOs, especially if
Speaker 2: you make the inn a part different to me, it
Speaker 2: does kind of resemble just like an eye looking down,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's just very you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know they say.
Speaker 3: The eye in the ben ben Stone is on the
Speaker 3: back of our dollar bill, you know, so you know
Speaker 3: the top of the pyramids called the ben Benz Stone,
Speaker 3: and that's where they put the eye and that's where
Speaker 3: the uf and they're telling. I mean, how many times
Speaker 3: have we seen all of these conspiracy charts where they
Speaker 3: put at the top of all the rest of these
Speaker 3: other human hierarchies the alien human or the alien menace
Speaker 3: being at the top of that pyramid stone. I don't
Speaker 3: think those are genuine. I believe that's part of this
Speaker 3: UFO cult. They really want these people to come back
Speaker 3: and rule humanity.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's ultimately what they think, right. They
Speaker 1: think they're calling back. They're creative, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what they want everyone else to believe by perpetrating these
Speaker 1: ideals around society.
Speaker 3: Right, and just like just like the idea of as
Speaker 3: she was disguised as just one of these muses. What
Speaker 3: they're saying is that the spirit of connection is dwelling
Speaker 3: amongst us already, and what they're trying to do is
Speaker 3: use that spirit that already exists within popular society to
Speaker 3: awaken something else.
Speaker 1: Right. Did you want me to subconscious?
Speaker 3: Huh, it's all about the subconscious, that's where you.
Speaker 2: Ethan. Did you want me to show any of your pictures?
Speaker 2: I didn't know what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, those other ones I thought were interesting well,
Speaker 4: that one before with the alchemy symbol and the and
Speaker 4: the other symbols. I was looking at some of the
Speaker 4: supposed reports that they had on UFOs or U A
Speaker 4: p s or whatever had this aspect where they were
Speaker 4: a geometrical shape within a sphere or circular sphere, the
Speaker 4: square particularly, and a pyramid or a triangle or foresighted pyramid.
Speaker 4: So I thought, I thought that was interesting and related
Speaker 4: to the Philosopher's Stone which has the four parts, similarly
Speaker 4: to Ezekiel's having the four parts. And that's a crop circle,
Speaker 4: which is similar to Strangely enough, all of these things
Speaker 4: that's like anomalous and again anecdotal reports. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but there's so many of them that kind of line up.
Speaker 4: It makes you go. And I was sharing the Egyptian
Speaker 4: Monolithic carving there in the idea of gods and angels
Speaker 4: or gods and angles, and that one has so many
Speaker 4: neat lines. I thought, for sure there are numerous things
Speaker 4: being communicated. I nick the other one with the mother
Speaker 4: and father and the children. Those those lines may or
Speaker 4: may not be every one of them may or may
Speaker 4: not be communicating something. But something that I've been seeing
Speaker 4: presented recently is the monolithic idea or certain monolithic shapes
Speaker 4: of the twenty three point five, right, it's not the
Speaker 4: axis of the earth depicted in linear dimensions of the
Speaker 4: carvings and so on, And it just goes to and
Speaker 4: some of them really rudimentary and old, not.
Speaker 5: That they weren't good, but they're just super old.
Speaker 4: And he was pointing out these angles, and I thought
Speaker 4: that just goes to show some of the point of
Speaker 4: where there are maybe lessons evoked in these images and ideas,
Speaker 4: and often enough they might even have celestial or cosmic
Speaker 4: teachings or relationships, but the cargo cult mind will come
Speaker 4: along and hijacket and put it into a monolithic idea
Speaker 4: frame and have everyone in an external religious mind instead
Speaker 4: of like, oh, let's explore the symbolism of this.
Speaker 5: So I just was.
Speaker 4: Sharing that because I thought very sure there are things
Speaker 4: being communicated.
Speaker 5: In those lines and angles.
Speaker 3: Of well, I got something on that. So back to
Speaker 3: John from John Frum, also called John Brum. John Prum
Speaker 3: is a figure associated with cargo cults on the island
Speaker 3: of Tana in Vanuatu, formerly the New Hebrides. He has
Speaker 3: often depicted as an American World War II serviceman who
Speaker 3: will bring wealth and prosperity to the people if they
Speaker 3: follow him. In nineteen sixty a BBC documentary, British broadcaster
Speaker 3: David Attenborough asked the locals what John From looked like
Speaker 3: and was told he looked like you. He got white face,
Speaker 3: eta men. He lived long South America. In the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 3: there were still reportedly over five thousand members of the
Speaker 3: John From movement. There are lots of John Frummers that
Speaker 3: are still in Vanawatu to this day, and I would
Speaker 3: I would argue that the World War two cult is
Speaker 3: still in America as well as in the formerly New
Speaker 3: Hebrides Island. I believe that most people are stuck on
Speaker 3: that World War two idea, the idea that war can
Speaker 3: bring prosperity, the idea that if we just believe hard enough,
Speaker 3: all that prosperity can flow back into our society. I
Speaker 3: believe we're in a World War two cargo cult in
Speaker 3: popular political mythology right now. Right sure, most of the
Speaker 3: rest of the island has been converted to Christianity because
Speaker 3: of John From. Because John From is a Christian, so
Speaker 3: go figure the Christian news John From to convert people
Speaker 3: to Christianity. Well, well, wouldn't you like to be part
Speaker 3: of the religion that John is part of?
Speaker 1: Don't you want to be more like John?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What would John do?
Speaker 2: Just think it's awesome you'd said it, as I was thinking,
Speaker 2: it's like an echo in my head.
Speaker 1: Right. Nice.
Speaker 3: So this guy John From has has evolved into different
Speaker 3: characters over the years. At first it was about the cargo,
Speaker 3: and now it's about the spiritual nature that John From
Speaker 3: can bestow upon you. John From can give you the
Speaker 3: spiritual acumen to feel peace all the time because it
Speaker 3: can bring that cargo of peace to your island, peace
Speaker 3: through strength, peace through the food he can drop from
Speaker 3: the sky. So John From is economic prosperity, and he
Speaker 3: is spiritual prosperity as well. The John From cult today
Speaker 3: is mostly about John From as an archetype or an
Speaker 3: avatar of peace and prosperity.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: So there have been developments in the John From cargo
Speaker 3: cult from the time of World War Two when they
Speaker 3: actually landed on these islands to today where John From
Speaker 3: is a spiritual figure who you can connect with and
Speaker 3: have a spiritual relationship with. And now and now I
Speaker 3: think what we need to do is we need to
Speaker 3: bring the John from Cargo cult home. We need to
Speaker 3: convert all of the Boomers to the John from Cargo
Speaker 3: cult so that their spirits can be at peace with
Speaker 3: the peace that they've brought us, which is no peace
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: That's interesting the evolution of the concept of this deity
Speaker 1: is John from Deity, right, Because when I say, when
Speaker 1: someone I try to explain folks to folks that we
Speaker 1: live in an ancient alien cargo cult society, like a
Speaker 1: society run by ancient alien cargo cultists, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be kind of a complicated narrative
Speaker 1: at times, but when you when you try to explain
Speaker 1: these evolutions. So that's a great example of a kind
Speaker 1: of these evolutions of how these ideas do you know,
Speaker 1: progress because we see these ancient like for example, we
Speaker 1: see these three thousand, four thousand year old statues, right
Speaker 1: and they're they're they're you know, they're showing these same
Speaker 1: concepts right that were you know, these concepts everything else
Speaker 1: that we're discussing. But those concepts have obviously evolved over
Speaker 1: the years and over time. I think John Frum is
Speaker 1: a good example.
Speaker 3: That what is cargo if not for a misshapen egg.
Speaker 3: Instead of cracking open eggs that are full of this bounty,
Speaker 3: you're cracking open these cart cargo crate containers that are
Speaker 3: full of bounty, sure cubic cargo.
Speaker 2: Mhm. Was there any of these pictures I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about?
Speaker 4: Well, I thought, you know, I thought the egg symbolism
Speaker 4: in that Hermitic egg there's pretty interesting. And and for
Speaker 4: the you know, for the longest time, I you know,
Speaker 4: am thinking this is I don't want to say merely
Speaker 4: but but initially a primal symbol. But now I wonder,
Speaker 4: like maybe eggs just turned up every once in a
Speaker 4: while as an anomaly like uh. And but I also
Speaker 4: wonder too how much of this is uh, you know,
Speaker 4: not necessarily credible. And the next image I guess came
Speaker 4: along soon after this interview, where he shared the egg
Speaker 4: on a snake or rope and and it has the
Speaker 4: the egg in the cave.
Speaker 5: And there were noted to be.
Speaker 4: Egyptian numbers on it, which I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I find it all really fascinating, especially in context
Speaker 4: to the Immaculate Constellation program, which just got such a
Speaker 4: talk about World War two Americana cult that is just
Speaker 4: such a Christian mindset name for we found it a
Speaker 4: type of tech or we're looking for it type that
Speaker 4: immaculate constellation is just a fascinating phrase.
Speaker 5: But that also.
Speaker 4: Being related to I believe it was I had it
Speaker 4: earlier Operation Starfish or Starfish Prime, where they weren't At first,
Speaker 4: you think immaculate constellation is them, oh, hey, we found
Speaker 4: an egg or a saucer or what have you, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna go get it. But it turns out that
Speaker 4: at least part of it, as they're explaining, was made
Speaker 4: up of them taking down these objects and immaculate constellation.
Speaker 4: Starfish Prime was one of the biggest, and they did
Speaker 4: very few difficulty and difficulty of technology and problematic of
Speaker 4: radia active fallout. They did a very few upper atmospheric tests.
Speaker 4: But this one, as the story goes, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: we've all heard this whisper before or this kind of
Speaker 4: theme in the UFO kind of area where there's how
Speaker 4: they're attracted to or interested in radioactive elements and nuclear
Speaker 4: things and the military. At this point in time, JFK
Speaker 4: was president and it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis
Speaker 4: when this happened this test. They apparently gathered a bunch
Speaker 4: of nuclear objects together to attract these objects that were attracted.
Speaker 5: To it, they.
Speaker 4: Experienced and set off a huge explosion. And in one
Speaker 4: of the unedited films of it, I apologize I was
Speaker 4: looking for it, couldn't find it. There is a clip
Speaker 4: of the detonation in the upper atmosphere and a thing
Speaker 4: falling down, And then there's also the edited version where
Speaker 4: the guy in charge of hiding it simply put a
Speaker 4: triangle onto the film and therefore it was hidden. So
Speaker 4: the nuclear and the potential.
Speaker 3: Ethan about the look at the Look at the god
Speaker 3: driving that chariot across the clouds dropping the egg.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh yeah, over the ground.
Speaker 3: All those babies are being born out of the egg.
Speaker 5: If this doesn't please don't continue.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was going to talk about the cabbage patch
Speaker 3: kids in Tartaria. Right. That's the thing that first popped
Speaker 3: into my mind, is these cloned kids or whatever sort
Speaker 3: of emerging from these eggs producing the new generation, and
Speaker 3: they just sort of drop them kind of like nukes
Speaker 3: Fat Man and Little Boy a lot like these eggs
Speaker 3: you drop from the sky to produce new eon. Right,
Speaker 3: because this.
Speaker 4: Now that I look at it closely, they both together
Speaker 4: at least kind of have this like Pandora's Box apocalyptic horses,
Speaker 4: horses coming through like it just seems very doomsdayish, that little,
Speaker 4: that little excerpt of the entire picture.
Speaker 2: I do want to say, this entire this thing is
Speaker 2: like got me mind blown right now. I mean, I
Speaker 2: do see in my opinion is obviously we see eyeball
Speaker 2: symbolism and everything, but I'm not gonna even get into
Speaker 2: really all that. But up here, I mean, the reason
Speaker 2: I focused in on this is that is exactly exactly
Speaker 2: what I say, I see when the black sphere and
Speaker 2: the white sphere separate from themselves, looks like this shit
Speaker 2: on top of Toat's head. And again like even with
Speaker 2: the chariot, if you look at the chariot or the
Speaker 2: Toath deck, the wheels are busted. That motherfucker broke because
Speaker 2: now they're not yoked anymore. There's still yoked right now,
Speaker 2: and they will be spinning together until it destroys itself.
Speaker 2: What you're gonna have to do in a sense anyway,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to destroy yourself to have a magical experience.
Speaker 2: But you have that and I mean even the like
Speaker 2: the spinning wheels. I mean, that's like the movie reels
Speaker 2: I got on my own logo. I mean this this
Speaker 2: even goes back to ship like that. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: point out, so like this.
Speaker 4: Is very like he was very much on his head,
Speaker 4: like horns of Pegu or any number of deities.
Speaker 3: M If you zoom out real quick there, you can
Speaker 3: think about the egg as.
Speaker 8: If a right eye, and this is the pupil up
Speaker 8: here at the top, right here, and all the rest
Speaker 8: of this would be the whites and everything else.
Speaker 3: It's rolling back into that. You gotta blur your eyes
Speaker 3: for a minute, and you can see.
Speaker 5: I can see it got good eye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see what I'm saying. If you blur it
Speaker 3: out a little bit, you can kind of see where
Speaker 3: I'm coming from. What they're showing you is the eye
Speaker 3: is kind of this macro cot within the microcosm. That's right.
Speaker 2: And one thing I do when I add, which is
Speaker 2: just the thing, I can't quite understand how the hell
Speaker 2: this has happened when you start looking at stuff this old.
Speaker 2: I'm sure this is probably some old work anywhere from
Speaker 2: like the fifteenth to seventeen hundred to anybody who was
Speaker 2: anybody when he came to occultism, they were talking about
Speaker 2: the fucking eyeballs in the brain. So the artwork is
Speaker 2: going to be representing that somehow somewhere. Because they were
Speaker 2: all polymats, they include physiology, So that has to end.
Speaker 2: I don't know where the hell that disc got disconnected
Speaker 2: in the last whatever a few hundred years. But so
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm saying that is, like, I do
Speaker 2: think it's quite possible that this old art is showing that,
Speaker 2: because that's the most stuff you'll see is coming from
Speaker 2: those dudes, right.
Speaker 3: I think what we've done is we've separated the experiential
Speaker 3: from the observation of that you can't observe something without
Speaker 3: experiencing it. So I put out this small thread talking
Speaker 3: about the difference between occult scientists and mainstream scientists. Mainstream
Speaker 3: scientists won't push a button if they don't know how
Speaker 3: the button works, right, Occult scientists are pushing all the
Speaker 3: buttons in the elev it.
Speaker 2: They want to I got off myself exactly.
Speaker 3: You're pushing You gotta know what each one of these
Speaker 3: buttons do, because the buttons exist, not why the buttons exist,
Speaker 3: not how the buttons work. You're just pushing them all
Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on. Mainstream science has sort
Speaker 3: of reserved itself to only examining the things that mainstream
Speaker 3: science recognizes as being a button. Once you step outside
Speaker 3: of that box, you can start to push a lot
Speaker 3: more buttons and figure out how they work. You're never
Speaker 3: going to figure out how a button works unless you
Speaker 3: push it. This is the problem where we're at right now,
Speaker 3: and at the bottom. What do you see the bottom
Speaker 3: of the eye below observation, you see heretics being persecuted
Speaker 3: for their beliefs. Beliefs. On the right side, you see
Speaker 3: this guy about to be beheaded for praying to God
Speaker 3: because he pushed too many buttons. On the other side,
Speaker 3: he's being used as a puppets. He's on a string.
Speaker 3: The guy behind him is threatening him as these other
Speaker 3: people are praying to him. You can see the imagery
Speaker 3: of heresy and puppetry right there. What they're saying is
Speaker 3: that below observation is the level of belief. That's not cool,
Speaker 3: that's not great. Push the buttons, people, push the buttons.
Speaker 3: Let's figure out how this works. You can't do it
Speaker 3: without pushing buttons.
Speaker 2: That's true as well said spoken as a.
Speaker 4: Great observation on such a profound polarity of our experience
Speaker 4: and our learning and our life. And the results. Are
Speaker 4: we going to kneel and or betray or we're going
Speaker 4: to look above, look inside like you're pointing out how
Speaker 4: it kind of has the eyes rolling back inside the head,
Speaker 4: like go within, and and that's where everyone's black. You
Speaker 4: look inside, right like it's all it's all black. Uh,
Speaker 4: and so and that's where the truth is anyway, right.
Speaker 3: Well, these woodcuts were meant for meditation. All the alchemical
Speaker 3: woodcuts were meant for meditation. You're supposed to view them
Speaker 3: from one hundred different perspectives before you get the full
Speaker 3: meaning of the thing. Because in each and every one
Speaker 3: of these tiny little aspects you're adding. You're not subtracting.
Speaker 3: You're adding. And what most mainstream science does is they subtract.
Speaker 3: They try to take things out of their natural environment,
Speaker 3: put them into an unnatural environment so you can study
Speaker 3: them under laboratory conditions. We don't exist as laboratory conditions.
Speaker 3: We don't exist as laboratory conditions. Something is always acting
Speaker 3: on us, something is always pulling on us, and that's okay,
Speaker 3: that's an all right place to be in the world
Speaker 3: because that is the natural state of things. You cannot
Speaker 3: isolate things from other things.
Speaker 2: No, we wouldn't exist without pushing, pull in our.
Speaker 3: Heart exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Our lungs, you know, everything. Our whole existence in our
Speaker 2: body is basically a push and a pull back and forth.
Speaker 3: It's through the power of association, free association where we're
Speaker 3: not confining ourselves to these mundane details that were given
Speaker 3: as the totality of life, that we can finally move
Speaker 3: beyond those mundane detail. So it's that free association while
Speaker 3: also having that guiding star. It's very, very important to
Speaker 3: understand there's always a guidance in your life. There's always
Speaker 3: a guidance, and you can't necessarily block that in the
Speaker 3: guidance is the most wild thing, the guidance, even though
Speaker 3: even though it leaves you no choice, that guidance is freedom.
Speaker 3: And that's the real polarity when it comes to freedom,
Speaker 3: is that you are more free when you have less choices,
Speaker 3: because then what do you have to lose? Right, I know,
Speaker 3: me and JJ we're in a situation where it's like
Speaker 3: we're giving so little options when it comes to our
Speaker 3: personal lives that we don't have a choice, and there's
Speaker 3: a sense of freedom in that can go all out
Speaker 3: to try and make what I want to see for
Speaker 3: myself and for my family a reality. We are free
Speaker 3: to pursue that to the fullest sure through no fault
Speaker 3: of our own, we're now forced into that perspective, and
Speaker 3: then we can kind of achieve a sense of freedom
Speaker 3: through not having a choice because we know what we want,
Speaker 3: you know, and having that focus is a sense of
Speaker 3: freedom that you don't get when you're just given you
Speaker 3: know the options of coke and pepsi, you know options
Speaker 3: right right.
Speaker 1: You know what's not real.
Speaker 3: Having a sense of duty does not leave you much choice,
Speaker 3: but it does leave you a lot of choices in
Speaker 3: the realm of what you can do in terms of
Speaker 3: tactics to get what you need done done right. And
Speaker 3: I think think about Alexander the Great. He didn't have
Speaker 3: an option. He had to be in charge of the
Speaker 3: conquest of all of these different places. He's still celebrated
Speaker 3: by the places that he conquered thousands and thousands of
Speaker 3: years later. Think about that as a guiding star. It's
Speaker 3: like he showed the world what could be done by
Speaker 3: a man at twenty seven years old, optimizing his ability
Speaker 3: to do the thing he was best at.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Well, the name like Alexander the Great, he had a
Speaker 1: lot of reputational up to it.
Speaker 3: Came from his dad. So his dad, you know what
Speaker 3: his dad's conquest was, what's that, he conquered democracy. So
Speaker 3: the democracy in Athens thought that it would be best
Speaker 3: if they paid a local tribe to take over the
Speaker 3: oracle at Delphi. These are called the Sacred Wars. So
Speaker 3: they had a proxy army go in there and start
Speaker 3: shaking down all of the pilgrims to the oracle at
Speaker 3: Delphi for money. And they started stealing from all of
Speaker 3: the you know, pilgrims going to the oracle to find
Speaker 3: out their future because it's democracy, and they didn't want
Speaker 3: to get their own hands dirty, pilfering money holy money.
Speaker 3: So Philip Amasadon decided that he was going to create
Speaker 3: an army to go in there and liberate the oracle
Speaker 3: at Delphi from the coercive influence proxy war from Athens.
Speaker 3: And so each and every one of his soldiers put
Speaker 3: on the diadem of the Wreath of Apollo because the
Speaker 3: oracle ali is ruled by Apollo, and they went in
Speaker 3: there and drove those bastards who were being paid by
Speaker 3: Athens into the sea wearing the wreath of apollow right,
Speaker 3: because that was their religion, that was their full focus.
Speaker 3: And so Philippa Macedon after defeating democracy, after he conquered
Speaker 3: the tribes that were occupying the oracle at Delphi and
Speaker 3: then occupying the past that everybody knows from three hundred
Speaker 3: if you guys have ever watched that movie that passed there,
Speaker 3: he occupied and cut Athens off from the rest of
Speaker 3: Greece and said, you know what you're gonna You're gonna
Speaker 3: surrender to me, and I will be the unquestioning ruler
Speaker 3: of all of Greece. And they had to because they're democrats,
Speaker 3: and democrats fold as soon as you show a little
Speaker 3: bit more power than what they're willing to, you know,
Speaker 3: put into it. And so that was the death of
Speaker 3: democracy at Athens. Is when Philippa Macedon said, you will
Speaker 3: have no more proxy wars. What are we doing right
Speaker 3: now in Ukraine? Proxy fucking wars?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Because these politicians don't want to get their hands dirty
Speaker 3: by sending more Americans over to die like they did
Speaker 3: in the Gulf War. It's a very one to one
Speaker 3: ratio sort of thing. And now maybe Trump is gonna
Speaker 3: say I'm putting an end to democracy. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that's a good thing or a bad thing, but that's
Speaker 3: the pattern that we're in now. The Sacred Wars are over.
Speaker 3: The Neocons have lost it. We cannot sustain our empire
Speaker 3: by taking over the Holy lands around the only holy
Speaker 3: land for the Neocons, right, that's not gonna work anymore.
Speaker 3: You could see him sort of, you know, turning the
Speaker 3: dials on all the little exterior pieces to that Holy land.
Speaker 3: And they don't like it. They don't like it at all.
Speaker 3: But there's also this Moscioch that they have to keep
Speaker 3: in mind. So they want Trump to be the mostach
Speaker 3: for their people because that's how their culture is geared.
Speaker 3: But in a lot of ways, he put a guy
Speaker 3: who is America first in charge of all of Middle
Speaker 3: Eastern affairs, and people like Michael Savage are going nuts
Speaker 3: right now, right because America first instead of putting Israel first. Sure, well,
Speaker 3: you've got to kind of see Trump as being a
Speaker 3: Philippa Massot on character. What Trump wants more than anything
Speaker 3: is a legacy that surpasses all other US.
Speaker 1: Presidents, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: And if you think about it, that's not too hard
Speaker 3: to do. You have to be decisively decisions. It really isn't.
Speaker 1: It's not, It really isn't. You're right, some folks already
Speaker 1: consider him better than Washington, So you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there is already that element of society.
Speaker 3: So I think from a to call this perspective, what
Speaker 3: better time to introduce the egg of destiny? You know,
Speaker 3: what better time to solidify the ancient practices of whatever
Speaker 3: watch or cult we're talking about, where they want to
Speaker 3: open these cosmic eggs and see this new hierarchy of
Speaker 3: souls that are being hatched on the earth. Just like
Speaker 3: in that alchemical image. Those little babies they come from
Speaker 3: an egg. Babies don't come from eggs, they come from people.
Speaker 2: But when you're.
Speaker 3: Introducing new souls to the planet, you've got to use
Speaker 3: an egg, don't you.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure? The comment that comment right through the
Speaker 1: inround nuclear e. Have you all seen that?
Speaker 5: What's that about?
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 5: I'm unch familiar.
Speaker 1: I've seen it in runs back on Twister. They got
Speaker 1: this in run Company like they'll power company claim to
Speaker 1: be the old power company. They're counting some sort of egg,
Speaker 1: nuclear egg.
Speaker 3: This is a libertarian troll. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys know that the guy who bought Enron for pennies
Speaker 3: on the dollar decided to use it as a way
Speaker 3: for his cryptocurrency company to make hire posts. Sure Ron
Speaker 3: Nuclear is saying, we're promising every American a nuclear egg.
Speaker 3: They could break outside the back of their house and
Speaker 3: create this nuclear energy for themselves and anybody they want to.
Speaker 3: It's a free energy type thing.
Speaker 1: No, I presume I presume it was probably a bit
Speaker 1: right because it's in Ronnie, know what I mean? It
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, right, I really looked into it
Speaker 1: for some legendent mentioned that. But isn't it weird that
Speaker 1: it's an egg? Though?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: It seems to be very you know, timed. Right now
Speaker 1: with all this restless egg stuff, think.
Speaker 3: About the green egg. Everybody ace hardware. They have the
Speaker 3: big green egg where you've got a smoker and a
Speaker 3: grill all integrated into one. What shape is that? It's
Speaker 3: the narrow part down, fat part on top. It's the
Speaker 3: same idea if we're going to talk about looche. We
Speaker 3: have to talk about the big green egg, and where
Speaker 3: we are inside that big green egg. How do they
Speaker 3: keep the loosh flowing. They have to smoke you like
Speaker 3: they smoke the big Green egg. So there is an
Speaker 3: aspect of gnosticism here. If they can keep the narrow
Speaker 3: focus on the material plane, keep the oblique focus on
Speaker 3: the sky where it just doesn't really matter too much,
Speaker 3: it's kind of a background influence, then the idea of
Speaker 3: putting the narrow end on the bottom and the fat
Speaker 3: end on top makes sense. But everybody thinks of an
Speaker 3: egg with the narrow part on top and the fat
Speaker 3: part on the bottom. Where's the disconnect? I believe that
Speaker 3: the disconnect is that the average people would rather have
Speaker 3: a clear and focused guiding light as opposed to a
Speaker 3: nebulous and diffuse guiding light. They would rather have the
Speaker 3: focus be on the sky, building for something greater, building
Speaker 3: for a life that has a foundation that can support them,
Speaker 3: as opposed to having the whole thing balance on the tip.
Speaker 3: The current political system we're under has the eggs balance
Speaker 3: and focus on the material realm instead of the spiritual realm. Right,
Speaker 3: they have to balance it with mind control, and then
Speaker 3: we can understand why inversion is so important to these people. Sure,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a basic geometric concept, and when you
Speaker 3: have that geometric idea in your head, you don't get
Speaker 3: fooled by the people making the inversions. What's important to
Speaker 3: you who is close to you? Help the people out
Speaker 3: around you. Offer to help the people out around you,
Speaker 3: because it's the offering that people really feel close to.
Speaker 3: If you're a person who can do something for somebody else,
Speaker 3: you can increase their life just by offering, even if
Speaker 3: they don't need your help. Do it because you can
Speaker 3: do it. That's the difference. If you're doing it because
Speaker 3: you have to do it, it's not really an offer.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: This goes back to what we're doing right now with
Speaker 3: the occult rejects. We're changing the focus. People have benefited
Speaker 3: from the ideas that we've presented them. You know, Nick
Speaker 3: has to support this whole thing by himself. So I
Speaker 3: think if people understand that if they can, they should,
Speaker 3: they should feel that sense of duty to try and
Speaker 3: make this thing more sustainable. This is where where we're at,
Speaker 3: where we always find ourselves is you've got to be
Speaker 3: able to reach out and say, look, I like what
Speaker 3: you're doing. Let's keep doing it together. You know, every
Speaker 3: time you extend your energy to somebody else, you create
Speaker 3: more energy. That's where we're at. You know, the egg
Speaker 3: is a very potent symbol. Victor Schauberger used the egg
Speaker 3: to to break everything in his in his log flumes. Right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have looked into Victor
Speaker 3: Schauberger too much, but this guy they call the water wizard.
Speaker 3: He built the bell shaped UFO for the Nazis, right.
Speaker 2: I would be a water wizard.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, be a water wizard.
Speaker 2: Get into it.
Speaker 5: Why not?
Speaker 3: I believe cults are good and religions are bad. That's
Speaker 3: an agent concept. Like a cult is a group of
Speaker 3: people who are devoted to figuring out a thing. A
Speaker 3: religion is where you've trapped everybody into the same binder.
Speaker 2: So well, the probably well, unfortunately they both get taken
Speaker 2: to the same extreme right.
Speaker 4: I like to build on that, and the believers and seekers, right,
Speaker 4: the religious they already have reached a conclusion and they
Speaker 4: have their belief where the seekers they're they're not sture
Speaker 4: like they're they're making new discoveries.
Speaker 5: Zone.
Speaker 1: It's a good way to put it in Ethan. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 3: So Victor Schauberger got famous for building a log flume
Speaker 3: to help the loggers out as they were harvesting German forests.
Speaker 3: And what he did was at the very base of
Speaker 3: this log flume, he would build a half egg, and
Speaker 3: that half egg would keep the logs from busting through
Speaker 3: the other side of the flume, because think about it
Speaker 3: real quick, as the logs are coming down this massive
Speaker 3: slide that allows that log to float into this basin,
Speaker 3: what he would do is he would create a half
Speaker 3: egg to where the water would come down and gently
Speaker 3: slope up at the end, so the floating logs would
Speaker 3: come down that ramp and the water sloping up at
Speaker 3: the end would break them and they wouldn't have to
Speaker 3: break through the other side of the log flow. And
Speaker 3: if you think about the gestation of an egg, you
Speaker 3: can kind of see how keeping the waters in balance
Speaker 3: from the top to the bottom and keeping them from
Speaker 3: developing too fast or too slowly is important. Well, when
Speaker 3: you put an egg underwater and you've formed this cushion
Speaker 3: of water all around the outside of the egg, you
Speaker 3: get a levitation effect, right, And so Victor Schauberger is
Speaker 3: also credited with creating a different type of levitation where
Speaker 3: you're pushing air down on the outside of an egg
Speaker 3: shaped wing. Right, you're pushing it on the outside of
Speaker 3: this egg shaped wing. That creates lift through negative pressure
Speaker 3: on the outside. So as you're pushing the air down
Speaker 3: around the outside of this underside of the impeller, it
Speaker 3: starts to rise because you've created a pressure differential. So
Speaker 3: it's like that wing shape that you would get. I mean,
Speaker 3: think about a wing. It's kind of like a distorted
Speaker 3: egg shape, right, All flight is based off of the
Speaker 3: shape of an egg. Well, if you've got that same
Speaker 3: kind of egg shape underneath the propeller, you're getting more
Speaker 3: lift than you would without it, because it's creating that
Speaker 3: negative space underneath, and that negative space is what creates
Speaker 3: the lift. It's not necessarily the thrust that creates the lift,
Speaker 3: it's the negative space that does it. And so Victor
Speaker 3: Schatberg use the egg to create a stasis field, and
Speaker 3: that stasis field is the only place where life can develop.
Speaker 3: It's the only place that basic geometry is universal. But
Speaker 3: unless you can see it and visualize these things, how
Speaker 3: can you really get to those primordial concepts. It goes
Speaker 3: back to Plato and his academy. Let people who are
Speaker 3: ignorant of geometry not an or here, right, geometry is
Speaker 3: so important?
Speaker 1: Not for sure? I mean it is, h Yeah, Mathematics
Speaker 1: is important, for sure. It's generally speaking.
Speaker 3: I think there's something spiritual about it. There really is,
Speaker 3: and we've gotten away from it when pythagorasts died. Mathematics
Speaker 3: became mechanics, and there's something dead about mechanics. You have
Speaker 3: to have that spiritual essence to it. And you know
Speaker 3: the places where that spiritual essence to mathematics has survived,
Speaker 3: they've done nothing with it. Freemasons were the original conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 3: They were. Nobody denies that fact. But what are they
Speaker 3: doing with it? And how many fingers are pointing at
Speaker 3: them now for harboring the wrong kind of fucking people?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: What are we doing with this knowledge? How are we
Speaker 3: building with it? That's what matters, because that allows people
Speaker 3: who have the duty to take care of themselves in
Speaker 3: their community to really rise up to the places they
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 2: Well, now you got Freemasons in the conspiracy community selling
Speaker 2: people dumb shit.
Speaker 3: Always happen.
Speaker 2: I'm actually making them, fucking making people more stupid. Listen,
Speaker 2: sell them fairy tales. It's for real fairy tales.
Speaker 3: This is fine right now, it's it's absolutely true. You're
Speaker 3: selling people fairy tales if you can't put the knowledge
Speaker 3: into action. And the people who have the duty and
Speaker 3: the responsibility, and they feel it deep within themselves, they
Speaker 3: should have a way of returning it. You know, we're
Speaker 3: returning our energy into our communities. That is what sacred
Speaker 3: geometry is, is when you return your energy into your communities.
Speaker 3: I mean this kind of says it all. You know,
Speaker 3: Gustav Klemp's idea of reincarnation through the blood. It's not
Speaker 3: just blood, it's also soil. You have to leave a
Speaker 3: better foxhole. Unless you impart that duty to other people,
Speaker 3: what are you left with? Just dead barren ground.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: I like to think of sacred geometry as a means
Speaker 4: to conceptualize and understand the non physical right, because geometry
Speaker 4: means earth measure, right, and when you put it in
Speaker 4: terms of sacred geometry, it's an earth measure of non
Speaker 4: physical things. Since that's saycred geometry. Like you just pointed
Speaker 4: at the picture behind you, isn't so many images in
Speaker 4: so many shapes and Fibonacci sequence, so many different things.
Speaker 4: But it's also I think, a way to kind of
Speaker 4: pierce the veil, if you will.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like the math and.
Speaker 4: The geometry is a way to better understand that subtle energy, right, because.
Speaker 5: There's no number.
Speaker 4: Right, it's a matter of understanding non physical things in
Speaker 4: its very core.
Speaker 3: Well, I like to think that it's a combination of lives. Right,
Speaker 3: So if you think about I've talked about this before
Speaker 3: the rat ancestral study. The thing that they've been able
Speaker 3: to isolate from the rat ancestral studies is the fear
Speaker 3: of the response. It's a stimulus response that gets carried
Speaker 3: over to the next generation. Sure, but once that stimulus
Speaker 3: response is carried over to the next generation, there's something
Speaker 3: called duty that then is produced simply by the passage
Speaker 3: of time. Right. That duty then becomes you have to
Speaker 3: warn people about what's coming next. Because we've as as
Speaker 3: these sperm donors, of these people who have been through
Speaker 3: the stimulus response, fucking ringer exists. We know what comes
Speaker 3: next after the stimulus and it's not good. Instead of
Speaker 3: being harvested, now we can say, hey, guys, this is
Speaker 3: this is the answer. We have to come together as
Speaker 3: a community. We have to look after our own. These
Speaker 3: perspectives that we put forward are valuable, and it has
Speaker 3: to be seen as a duty to respect and promote
Speaker 3: those values. I know other people feel it too. It
Speaker 3: helps put into action.
Speaker 4: It's a very into thing that you bring up.
Speaker 5: Loosh, right.
Speaker 4: I find that's a really commonly used word now, less
Speaker 4: so than arcons or arcontic, which would be they would
Speaker 4: be entities that are seeking the loosh are our energy
Speaker 4: that's negative that we're driven on these unconscious, often mostly
Speaker 4: fear based directions, And so it's almost as if many
Speaker 4: of these different images and ideas were communicating many different
Speaker 4: allegorical concepts, even of lush right. And I think if
Speaker 4: you look at what they were saying with arcans and
Speaker 4: loosh for a matter for.
Speaker 5: Better lack of a better word that they might have used.
Speaker 4: There's potentially non physical and physical and non psychic and
Speaker 4: psychic energies or beings out there. I know that's crazy
Speaker 4: to suggest, but when you look at it through that
Speaker 4: so ar con.
Speaker 3: Is immensely important in our society. Everything we do is
Speaker 3: governed by an arcotic nature.
Speaker 5: Sure right, so.
Speaker 3: Uh an archy, an archy it's it's very self self defeating,
Speaker 3: you know, and archy. So it's no leadership, no, you know,
Speaker 3: no arch. But the problem is is that's not what
Speaker 3: nature shows us. Nature shows us that there's always an
Speaker 3: ARCon whether it's hunger, whether it's sleep, whether it's any
Speaker 3: of these other things that keep us alive, there is
Speaker 3: an arkon of that thing. It goes back to the
Speaker 3: definition of what a god is. Right, So what is
Speaker 3: the nature of the arkon? A lot of this narcissism
Speaker 3: talks about the planets being arconic forces in our lives.
Speaker 3: It's true to an extent. We are flavored by the arkon.
Speaker 3: We are given a essence by the arkon. We are
Speaker 3: not given total determinism by the arkon. What I think
Speaker 3: a lot of the gnostic sex we'll get into, is
Speaker 3: that total determinism. Right, if you know yourself and if
Speaker 3: you know the arconic forces that are influencing yourself, you
Speaker 3: can use those to the maximum benefit of yourself and
Speaker 3: your community. The arcons, while limiting you, give you gifts,
Speaker 3: and those gifts are vital to the duty you feel
Speaker 3: towards the people closest to you, or the people that
Speaker 3: you feel you have a duty too. So Arcanism, I think,
Speaker 3: is the idea of flavoring what you have a duty towards.
Speaker 3: Everybody has that sort of a flavoring to them. Do
Speaker 3: they use that arconic flavoring to the maximum benefit? And
Speaker 3: I think the vast majority of people don't, because if
Speaker 3: you feel a duty towards certain types of people, you
Speaker 3: are you're given a label, right, And so there's this
Speaker 3: faults arconism which is not connected in nature. It's connected
Speaker 3: to doctrine, it's connected to teachings, it's connected to the
Speaker 3: people who are trying to transform the natural arconic nature
Speaker 3: away from what it is to something they want it
Speaker 3: to be. That's when you get involved with that false
Speaker 3: arconic nature. If you look at the Gnostic texts from
Speaker 3: the Roman period to today, there's no comparison. We're under
Speaker 3: so much more arconic control and false arconic control today
Speaker 3: than there was back in that era. The Romans had
Speaker 3: to put out very clear rules about citizenship. They had
Speaker 3: to put out very clear rules about what you could
Speaker 3: or could not do. Today, we have no clear rules,
Speaker 3: and there are no specific ways that people can interact
Speaker 3: with out subjecting themselves to subjective rules based off of
Speaker 3: the tides or however these people feel. I'm saying that
Speaker 3: the lines that are being drawn politically are starting to
Speaker 3: shift in a big way.
Speaker 4: But just because.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk is poping a Roman doesn't mean that we're
Speaker 3: in that period of clear arconic control. Clear arconic control
Speaker 3: eliminates any possibility of people being you know, drug out
Speaker 3: of their house for completely incomprehensible reasons. You know that
Speaker 3: if you have a relationship to the people who are
Speaker 3: doing the subversion, you're putting your own self at risk.
Speaker 3: Right now, you don't know where those lines are drawn.
Speaker 3: There is a decentralized component to this arconic control, which
Speaker 3: is probably why they're giving us these eggs. You know,
Speaker 3: they give you the egg so that you can reconnect
Speaker 3: with something primal and yet not know anything about yourself
Speaker 3: that is primal. You know, you get the soy face
Speaker 3: over the egg. You're like, I want to know what's
Speaker 3: inside the egg. Show me what's inside the egg. What's
Speaker 3: inside the egg is what's inside yourself. We're all part
Speaker 3: of the same universe. Let it go. What is your
Speaker 3: duty telling you to do? What is your innermost spirit
Speaker 3: telling you to do. That's something you can connect with,
Speaker 3: but it's not something you can be given. I think
Speaker 3: that's important. What have you connected with that you have
Speaker 3: not been given?
Speaker 4: You were talking about aligning with the aspects of different
Speaker 4: gods that you might associate with at that given time.
Speaker 4: In taichi or taichi related practice, I think it's zu
Speaker 4: dao they seek, or one can seek to meditate on
Speaker 4: aligning oneself with the doo and and really making that
Speaker 4: be you, uh, not ethan, not headless whatever, not, not
Speaker 4: any of these even you know, real cultural influenced perceptions
Speaker 4: and personas we might have. Just just try to align
Speaker 4: with nature and seek what nature is and just.
Speaker 5: Try to try to be like.
Speaker 3: Right, we can't control all of the forces around us,
Speaker 3: but we can identify and utilize. Identify and utilize are
Speaker 3: the two most important watchwords when it comes to duty,
Speaker 3: because we all feel a sense of duty. But how
Speaker 3: are we breaking those logs as they come into our
Speaker 3: lives before they completely destroy the bin that they're contained in. Sure,
Speaker 3: we have to have that egg, that idea of the OLM.
Speaker 3: All right, it's that sense that we can control the
Speaker 3: flow of energy in our own lives. And this is
Speaker 3: uniting East and west. You know, because if we know
Speaker 3: anything about the Proto Indo Europeans, if we know anything
Speaker 3: about these pre written languages, we know that they were
Speaker 3: uniting both the sky and the earth in themselves. As
Speaker 3: the earth and the sky were separated in these primordial times.
Speaker 3: Those two forces have to come back together in the
Speaker 3: lives of the people who act for things to get better. Alignment,
Speaker 3: understanding duty, understanding the things that are essential to you
Speaker 3: without anybody else's information. That's what we must get to
Speaker 3: to achieve Alethia. Alethia is the revealed truth. I believe
Speaker 3: that's the opposite of the occult right. This comes back
Speaker 3: to Parmanades. Parmandes originally came out with the term of Lethia.
Speaker 3: It has the similar connotation of self contradiction that anarchism does.
Speaker 3: It does because ah Lethia, Lethia is the cup that
Speaker 3: makes you forget. Ah Lethia is not forgetting. Do not
Speaker 3: forget who you are. You're given all this stimulus, you're
Speaker 3: given all this response, but you cannot take the cup
Speaker 3: of Alethia in ignorant facts. Should you have to say,
Speaker 3: I know who I am. I refuse to forget. And
Speaker 3: that is where we are today because we're given so
Speaker 3: much stimulus response that we're supposed to forget who we are.
Speaker 3: I'll let the forget it not. I like that.
Speaker 4: And I like how on these ancient walls, or at
Speaker 4: least some of them, where they say no thyself, but
Speaker 4: they never say believe this way, where that's kind of
Speaker 4: how people present themselves nowadays, like I believe this way?
Speaker 5: No, what are you really?
Speaker 4: And I was thinking about with the duty, it really
Speaker 4: has this allegory of the cave kind of idea to it,
Speaker 4: where the freed prisoner has to go back back into
Speaker 4: the rat trap and tell everybody, even though it thinks
Speaker 4: it's probably going to be useless or maybe it won't
Speaker 4: be successful, he has to. He has this biological instilled
Speaker 4: duty to go.
Speaker 3: Who's pushing that who's pushing that boulder back up the
Speaker 3: other side of the walls. That's sisyphus. He's happy because
Speaker 3: he's fulfilling his duty, even though it seems from the outside.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's an example.
Speaker 3: It's deep within, it's deep within us. And I think
Speaker 3: the idea of aletia really cuts through the occultism that
Speaker 3: we've experienced, because occultism takes all of that stuff and
Speaker 3: makes it the garbage strata of the media. Occultism is
Speaker 3: what you see on a Donald's commercial. It's supposed to
Speaker 3: awaken all those little triggers that you have no over
Speaker 3: so that you buy without thinking.
Speaker 1: Drink coke, Drink Coca cola. Sorry, enjoy Coca cola. Right,
Speaker 1: that's subliminal message they can put in the logo right
Speaker 1: for the phrase, You're not supposed to enjoy your.
Speaker 3: Own life, enjoy your own essence. You're supposed to enjoy
Speaker 3: Coca cola. I mean, we're given an egg right now, people,
Speaker 3: Do we take the egg that's been offered or do
Speaker 3: we accept the egg that's within us? That's the real question.
Speaker 3: This is the balance.
Speaker 4: I might have said this before another podcast, but a
Speaker 4: great distinction to kind of embody this lesson is to
Speaker 4: not be reactive, but to be responsive. And it's a
Speaker 4: subtle difference in words, but it's basically realizing, oh, why
Speaker 4: do I want McDonald's. Oh just because I saw that
Speaker 4: stupid commercial, I don't I don't need that, do so?
Speaker 4: Or you know, there's different ways to embody it, but
Speaker 4: just I think that language is helpful.
Speaker 1: For sure. I think I got I got something real quick,
Speaker 1: I when I had him with the ever drawing this
Speaker 1: to a close with this egg stuff, I want to
Speaker 1: point out that one of my favorite ancient league Cargo
Speaker 1: Colts No when I say favorite, but ones one I
Speaker 1: talk about a lot scientology meets the CIA with the
Speaker 1: folks of Russell Tarwick and hal put Off from SRI Research.
Speaker 1: There's there book right there from I believe nineteen eighties.
Speaker 5: That's amazing. What an image, of course.
Speaker 4: And so this is this is about psychic connection with
Speaker 4: entities or what.
Speaker 1: I'm not from. That's a good question. I'm not remember
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 4: Kind of question.
Speaker 1: I presume it is. It's probably all around the you know,
Speaker 1: the the psychic spies and stuff they were in charge
Speaker 1: of and whatnot.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating the connection with the paranormal and the psychic
Speaker 4: and the remote viewing and all these tangential things with
Speaker 4: the so called U I, p S and UFOs. It's
Speaker 4: like twisted and intertwined.
Speaker 5: It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I thought i'd share that one there.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get too big, too much in the
Speaker 1: details and the weeds of scientologists and there tom foolery.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting that they would use an egg
Speaker 1: on the psychic the psychic book about you know, because
Speaker 1: it's not it's not uniquely about aliens that I'm I'm
Speaker 1: familiar with the least, but it is by guys who
Speaker 1: were you know, chi Alien Cardo cultists. And you know,
Speaker 1: so that's a.
Speaker 5: Mormon who wrote that.
Speaker 1: Well that that was a scientologist. Said, you're not familiar?
Speaker 1: How help put off? I think he's a ot.
Speaker 5: Is put off?
Speaker 1: I think you put off to O T seven, which
Speaker 1: are they? You know, allegedly the O T is like
Speaker 1: their top one.
Speaker 2: He was a clown right here, total clown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, guy, Yeah, But even though even though he's a clown,
Speaker 3: what does he say the whole universe is in your head?
Speaker 2: I know, I will tell you he I have no
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that he does not understand stuff
Speaker 2: that I probably he probably knows way more than me.
Speaker 2: Put it that way, and understands way more than me.
Speaker 2: But he's a clown. He's not coming out and saying
Speaker 2: the truth. He tells you silly stories that's deeply occulted
Speaker 2: that you have to have an experience, even tho what
Speaker 2: the motherfucker is saying, come out and say it openly, man,
Speaker 2: say it openly for sake, You're almost gonna drop that
Speaker 2: soon anyway. Who cares?
Speaker 3: This right here is their religion. This right here is
Speaker 3: the religion of Oto.
Speaker 2: I'll be totally honest with you. When I had a
Speaker 2: magical experience, there's a lot of shit that came out
Speaker 2: of that dude's mouth that I was like, Holy fuck,
Speaker 2: A lot of this is silly, is actually deep, but
Speaker 2: nobody wouldn't know what the fuck he's saying.
Speaker 4: The symbol that he put together here on the cover
Speaker 4: is the Philosopher's stone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: The only thing missing is the square. But you have
Speaker 4: the cross in the egg, which is a square if
Speaker 4: you will. So he's got the circle on the outside,
Speaker 4: the sun image light kind of thing, the triangle, the
Speaker 4: circle on the inside, the egg, and the cross.
Speaker 3: One thing I want to get to before we get
Speaker 3: outside of this realm of symbolic universe. Symbolic universe, where
Speaker 3: does that exist?
Speaker 5: That mind?
Speaker 3: Mind? But there's a specific state that we all go
Speaker 3: through where the symbolic universe is crossing over the physical
Speaker 3: universe and giving us visions of what we think and
Speaker 3: what we feel and what other things think. And feel
Speaker 3: it's the dream realm. The dream realm is the crossover
Speaker 3: between the physical universe and the symbolic universe. The very
Speaker 3: nature of these dreams are symbolic. We spend half our
Speaker 3: lives in the symbolic universe, and yet do we even
Speaker 3: think of it as a different realm, as a different
Speaker 3: thing from our ordinary existence. It's sort of seen as
Speaker 3: being tangential, but it is essential to understanding ourselves. Symbolic
Speaker 3: realm is what gives birth to language. The symbolic realm
Speaker 3: is what gives birth to our careers, to our duties,
Speaker 3: to all of the things we understand. How much less
Speaker 3: could you understand if people didn't systematize the symbolic realm
Speaker 3: into a way that we can communicate even right now,
Speaker 3: See what I'm saying, Like, these dreams are part of
Speaker 3: the core of our existence and most mammalian existence as
Speaker 3: we know it. You know, I mean, I wish we
Speaker 3: could get the mammalian biologists to say, pay attention to
Speaker 3: your dreams. It's half your fucking life. Wake up to
Speaker 3: your dreams. It's right there in front of you. It's
Speaker 3: trying to tell you something about yourselves that is essential
Speaker 3: that you cannot understand without those dreams. This is the
Speaker 3: symbolic realm made flesh, and that's important because what we
Speaker 3: see in our lives is limiting and depressing, but what
Speaker 3: we can do in our dreams is beyond all conception.
Speaker 3: And those dreams led us to where we are today.
Speaker 3: We feel it in our souls so much so that
Speaker 3: people are led from one side of the world to
Speaker 3: the absolute opposite side of the planet because of dreams,
Speaker 3: and the symbolic realm is in the dreams. We wouldn't
Speaker 3: have language without it, we wouldn't have writing without it.
Speaker 3: There is something so fundamental to life within the dream.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. But I think every time we
Speaker 3: dream we're going into the egg. We're going into that
Speaker 3: egg and understanding the breaks that are placed off of
Speaker 3: the chaotic realm we think we exist in. But it's
Speaker 3: both the material realm and the symbolic realm that come
Speaker 3: together in our dreams, and we really have to pay
Speaker 3: attention to that, and we really have to pay appreciation
Speaker 3: to that because that is what gives us visions of
Speaker 3: the future, and those visions of the future can be
Speaker 3: called hope, and hope is so vital in a world
Speaker 3: that is hungry for our flesh and our blood. Do
Speaker 3: we let it take all of that stuff from us?
Speaker 3: Or do we let duty guide us with what is
Speaker 3: taken and what is given? Duty flesh symboliclogy, These things
Speaker 3: are primal, very very primal, and everybody can feel it.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter where you come from or where
Speaker 3: you're going. But you do know that there are different
Speaker 3: flavors of this stuff, and once you can understand that,
Speaker 3: you can understand how everything can work together better than
Speaker 3: it is right now. And that is a vision for
Speaker 3: the future that I don't think a lot of futurists
Speaker 3: and computer scientists have really grasped. They don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's perspective al together, don't.
Speaker 3: They I think I think if we're wrapping.
Speaker 2: Up, yeah, I think everybody else is everybody else. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much guys, especially for bringing this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was some really interesting stuff, some interesting art that
Speaker 2: I got to look at today. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: The chat actually had a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: pretty cool stuff in there going on. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people in here from all from all three channels too,
Speaker 2: so that was pretty cool. Thank you everybody, because I
Speaker 2: can see everybody's comments, so I appreciate it. I say, so.
Speaker 2: Somebody actually went through all three shows and said I'm
Speaker 2: here and I'm on this one now on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I think it was something. Pal appreciate
Speaker 2: that he went through all three, all three of our
Speaker 2: YouTube Yeah that's his name, Fuck you Pal, Thanks buddy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he gave us all three clicks. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so thank you everybody who joined the live.
Speaker 2: That's why I like go alive. It's pretty cool. We
Speaker 2: always got good chats going on. Everybody's pretty uh you know,
Speaker 2: pretty he's doing Is he doing it again? Everybody's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. There's no arguing. The chat's
Speaker 2: pretty pretty late back, but like really good stuff from
Speaker 2: really good jokes sometimes. So I definitely check it out
Speaker 2: if I leave the replay up. And thank you Ethan
Speaker 2: and JJ for sure for jumping on in such a
Speaker 2: short notice. I was really a great and I always
Speaker 2: appreciate you guys input in the occult rejects, you know.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, that is the end of another one and
Speaker 2: until the next one, everybody be well later.