Speaker 1: It's with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, My thanks to my guest last hour, Karine Haja,
Speaker 2: Boston Globe editorial writer. And by the way, I hope
Speaker 2: that many of you who listened to the entire hour
Speaker 2: understood the purpose of the interview was to just realize
Speaker 2: that she is in a very interesting position as a
Speaker 2: young conservative twenty you know, graduate of Harvard in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one. She's in her mid twenties and in a
Speaker 2: position of great influence and great impact as a Boston
Speaker 2: and greater Bostonian who now and she's doing very well
Speaker 2: at the Globe, and I commend the Globe for having
Speaker 2: some genuine diversity. I mean somedays some days. And she's
Speaker 2: not an editorial she does write off ed pieces. Uh
Speaker 2: so she isn't she's a she's an opinion writer. But
Speaker 2: she's also involved in the editorial process. And you have
Speaker 2: to understand the mechanics of that. Not only is her
Speaker 2: her byline columns and her opinion columns appear under her name,
Speaker 2: just as they do with Jefter Kobe, or with Scott
Speaker 2: Lehigh or Joan Venaki or any of the other Boston
Speaker 2: Globe columnists who are on the editorial page. Then you
Speaker 2: have the other columnists who are on the Metro page,
Speaker 2: including Adrian Walker, who are not related to the editorial
Speaker 2: comment they are they are pure editorial, that pure columnists
Speaker 2: of their opinion, with their opinions. But to be a
Speaker 2: member of that group that decides what editorial subjects the
Speaker 2: Globe will take, it's a significant position. Now she's going
Speaker 2: to be in the minority a lot, but it is
Speaker 2: a position of great influence and she will be a
Speaker 2: journalistic superstar in my humble opinion, and that's why I
Speaker 2: wanted to introduce her to all my audience tonight. Now
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this shooting on Boyleston Street
Speaker 2: in Boston on Saturday, late Saturday, which has really shaken
Speaker 2: that neighborhood. So I watched the local evening newscast tonight
Speaker 2: who covered the story and covered reaction to it. Boston
Speaker 2: is priding itself on a reduction citywide in terms of homicides,
Speaker 2: which is which is something to be proud of and
Speaker 2: something that the city can it can take pride in,
Speaker 2: and it started under Mayor Walsh and has continued now
Speaker 2: under Mayor wu. The problem that Mayor WU has in
Speaker 2: terms of crime is the crime that has metastasized from
Speaker 2: mass and casts to downtown Boston, down to the downtown
Speaker 2: crossing area down to now is now leaking over into
Speaker 2: Boylston Street. So you had this situation on Saturday night,
Speaker 2: and I hope some of you know about it, but
Speaker 2: for those of you that don't, uh, literally in Copley Square,
Speaker 2: literally in Copley Square, uh, not not far from the
Speaker 2: Copley Plaza Hotel uh and all of the great structures,
Speaker 2: the Boston Public Library, uh and and great you know
Speaker 2: churches and all of that. Next close to Newbury Street,
Speaker 2: there was some sort of a beef that evolved. According
Speaker 2: to all that, and I haven't covered the story, but
Speaker 2: basically watching channels four and five, pretty clear that some
Speaker 2: sort of an argument had occurred on Boyleston Street or
Speaker 2: near Boyleston Street, and a couple of individuals had run
Speaker 2: into the Chick fil A, I assume, figuring that they
Speaker 2: would be safe there, but this individual allegedly followed them
Speaker 2: with a knife, intending to do harm or at least
Speaker 2: threaten And there was an off duty Boston Police officer
Speaker 2: there who had the presence of mind to realize what
Speaker 2: was evolving was a potentially dangerous situation. He put his
Speaker 2: own life on the line through his service rep weapon
Speaker 2: and told this guy to drop the knife. I didn't comply.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if there was a words exchange.
Speaker 2: I suspect that were but whatever, the police officer ended
Speaker 2: up shooting this guy. And Mayor Wu showed up at
Speaker 2: the shooting scene, which is fine, is certainly well within
Speaker 2: her prerogative. But she made a comment which upset a
Speaker 2: lot of people and to me was tone deaf. Rob
Speaker 2: This is this is the statement that the mayor made.
Speaker 2: Cut forty one A. It is in it's more, it's
Speaker 2: in greater context than perhaps folks might have heard. Please
Speaker 2: play cut forty one A. This is Mayor Wu offering
Speaker 2: condolences initially to the family of the individual who was
Speaker 2: shot by the Boston police officer. Now, you can feel
Speaker 2: sorry for any family, but this sounds to me like
Speaker 2: a tone deaf Mayor Wu, or maybe how a Mayor
Speaker 2: Woo actually feels.
Speaker 3: My condolences and all of our thoughts are with the
Speaker 3: family of the individual whose life has been lost. And
Speaker 3: I am also thinking of all the people who were
Speaker 3: impacted here today in one of the busier parts of
Speaker 3: the city with this tragedy. Glad that the officer is
Speaker 3: safe and very grateful for a quick response from all
Speaker 3: of our first responders. Here again, and I'm such an
Speaker 3: active part of Boston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an active part of Boston when you
Speaker 2: have people running into fast food stores wielding a knife
Speaker 2: and apparently I'm looking at a piece out of the
Speaker 2: Boston Boston dot Com. Two people were chased inside Chick
Speaker 2: fil A on Boyleston Street around five twenty seven by
Speaker 2: a man armed with a knife, according to Boston Police
Speaker 2: and off duty Boston police officer. This is a story
Speaker 2: by Molly Ferrar in Boston dot Com. Off duty bust
Speaker 2: and police officer shot and killed a man who was
Speaker 2: allegedly wielding a knife inside a restaurant near Boston Back
Speaker 2: Base Copley Square. Saturday, two people were chased inside a
Speaker 2: Chick fil A on Boylston Street by a man armed
Speaker 2: with a knife, and off duty officer who was at
Speaker 2: the restaurant identified himself as a police officer, told the
Speaker 2: man to drop his weapon. This according to Police Commissioner
Speaker 2: Michael Cox. The man who has not been identified. He
Speaker 2: was identified today allegedly did not comply. The off duty
Speaker 2: officer then shot the man, who was later pronounced that
Speaker 2: at a local hospital. The officer was also transported to
Speaker 2: the hospital to be evaluated, and there are no other
Speaker 2: reported injuries. Cox says, we don't look for loss of life,
Speaker 2: so our condolences go to the individual who was killed tonight. Again,
Speaker 2: why would Michael Cox say that, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: understand it. We're proud of the police officers who activate themselves,
Speaker 2: whether it's on duty or off duty, to try to
Speaker 2: save all lives, but to lead with the comment about condolences,
Speaker 2: it almost sounded like the guy that the police officer
Speaker 2: shot was considered a victim. I mean, he's dead. I
Speaker 2: get it. Sad for him, sad for his family, but
Speaker 2: thank god there was someone there who interrupted him. I
Speaker 2: don't assume and let the investigation go forth, that the
Speaker 2: police officer woke up that morning and said, man, I
Speaker 2: hope I get an opportunity today to kill some guy
Speaker 2: who might be willed a knife and a Chick fil A. No,
Speaker 2: that wasn't it at all, and it shows that not
Speaker 2: only the mayor, but now apparently the police commissioner. It
Speaker 2: says all of the officials, including some founding District Attorney
Speaker 2: Kevin Naden, whose office will leave the investigation, said Mayor Wu.
Speaker 2: And Mayor Wu also spoke at the press conference. All
Speaker 2: of the officials offered theirs is to the family and
Speaker 2: friends of the man killed. I mean, is there something
Speaker 2: that that is tone deaf about that to you? Or
Speaker 2: am I am I reading something into it that shouldn't
Speaker 2: be read into it. I'm going to open up phone
Speaker 2: line six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Why is
Speaker 2: it that we need to be so politically correct that
Speaker 2: an individual. I mean, if if some police officer in Dallas,
Speaker 2: Texas in nineteen sixty three had walked in to the
Speaker 2: Texas school Book Depository and saw Oswald in the window
Speaker 2: about to fire at the presidential motorcade. He told Oswald
Speaker 2: to drop his gun, and Oswald refused, and the officer
Speaker 2: killed him. I mean, if there was a Secret Service
Speaker 2: agent in Butler, Pennsylvania, who was observant enough to see
Speaker 2: the guy, the twenty year old crawling on a belly
Speaker 2: on the roof of that shed that was about one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards away, or one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: feet away from the presidential stand where president then candidate Trump,
Speaker 2: former President Trump was speaking. If that agent from a
Speaker 2: distance realized what this guy was trying to do, Michael
Speaker 2: Cook I think was his name, and he popped him
Speaker 2: and prevented that shot from being fired, would we be
Speaker 2: offering condolences to the family of the individual who was
Speaker 2: attempting to assassinate a presidential candidate? What's wrong with us?
Speaker 2: What's wrong with the people who were electing and the
Speaker 2: people who were serving in public office who their first
Speaker 2: reaction is to be so politically correct? I would say,
Speaker 2: first of all, our support is for the police officer
Speaker 2: who was placed in a very difficult situation who responded
Speaker 2: professionally and saved lives. We're not happy that someone died.
Speaker 2: But when people walk the streets of Boston carrying weapons
Speaker 2: with the intent or the apparent attempt to do harm
Speaker 2: to others, and they refuse to comply with what a
Speaker 2: police officer instructs them to do to drop a weapon,
Speaker 2: they are responsible for what occurred to them because if
Speaker 2: they had dropped the weapon, they never would have been shot.
Speaker 2: When is someone gonna in public office or in police
Speaker 2: leadership make a comment similar to that in these sorts
Speaker 2: of circumstances six one seven, the only one line open
Speaker 2: is six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty Agree
Speaker 2: or disagree. We'll come right back on night Side.
Speaker 1: Now, bent to Dan Way live from the Window World
Speaker 1: to night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Now before we go to phone calls. In fairness to
Speaker 2: Mayor WOA, she tried to sort of explain herself today.
Speaker 2: It was given an opportunity to sort of, I guess
Speaker 2: in some form or fashion, revise and revoke her remarks.
Speaker 2: This is cut forty three. She would have none of
Speaker 2: that cut forty three.
Speaker 3: I am a mayor focused on not just being at
Speaker 3: press conferences, but being on the ground. So the point
Speaker 3: of being there was to make sure that everyone was
Speaker 3: okay on the scene and to find out directly what
Speaker 3: the details were of what had happened as they were
Speaker 3: unfolding in a very chaotic situation in one of the
Speaker 3: busiest parts of our city.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: This is my job to show up when it's needed
Speaker 3: and to make sure that we are doing the work
Speaker 3: that's needed day in and day out, whether it's in
Speaker 3: front of the cameras or especially when the cameras aren't
Speaker 3: there to take care of our city and keep everyone safe.
Speaker 2: But mayor why the condolences to the family of the
Speaker 2: individual that was wielding a knife. Too bad that he
Speaker 2: had to die, but he could have prevented the police
Speaker 2: officer from shooting by dropping the knife. Do you think
Speaker 2: that maybe maybe your remarks on Saturday night were misplaced?
Speaker 2: Cut forty two, Rob.
Speaker 3: You know, it's unfortunate to politicize being at the scene
Speaker 3: of a tragic incident. Our officers are in extremely difficult
Speaker 3: and dangerous situations every single day keeping our residents safe,
Speaker 3: and I expressed condolences along with our police Commissioner and
Speaker 3: District Attorney, because every loss of life is a horrible tragedy.
Speaker 3: I am also grateful every hour of every day for
Speaker 3: the work of our Boston Police officers. And in this case,
Speaker 3: we had an off duty officer who saw something happening
Speaker 3: is training, kicked in and took action and surely saved
Speaker 3: even more lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because the guy whose family you offer condolences to,
Speaker 2: you just acknowledged probably, if left undeterred, would have killed others.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just don't get it. I just
Speaker 2: don't get it. Maybe Glenn does Glenn, go right ahead,
Speaker 2: you've been holding on the door. Ahead, Glenn, how are you?
Speaker 5: I agree with I agree with you? With the other
Speaker 5: percent I heard, if I didn't know any better, heads
Speaker 5: the police commissioner is heither a member of Black Lives Matter?
Speaker 5: Where he's a self hating cop. I mean he's giving
Speaker 5: he's calling condonnces to a victim who didn't have to
Speaker 5: be a victim. Only had to do is obey the
Speaker 5: office's command.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, I don't know. I saw a
Speaker 2: picture of the victim tonight. He was didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's black, not that it really matters whether you're okay.
Speaker 2: And and and one of the reports on Channel five
Speaker 2: tonight basically reported that this guy had had a long
Speaker 2: rap sheet the you know, the long rap sheet of
Speaker 2: including apparently his his girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He beat up his girlfriend at one point, who was
Speaker 2: still standing by him. She was, you know, she said,
Speaker 2: you know, he's a wonderful human being. Uh. And and
Speaker 2: and also robbed a woman at knife point at an
Speaker 2: MBT A station, so you know he's he's wielded a
Speaker 2: knife before. And apparently he had also been arrested in
Speaker 2: in in Hwell and also in Quinsy. So he had
Speaker 2: spread joy to a number of communities, or as I
Speaker 2: would call it, you know, criminal activity to a number
Speaker 2: of communities. You know, he he never committed murder, but
Speaker 2: I guess that police officer easily could have prevented him
Speaker 2: from fulfilling that that set of circumstance. It's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 5: That's what I mean. I wish maybe the officer had
Speaker 5: tase them so we could put them on, you know,
Speaker 5: find out what is I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, well, I mean, you know, I don't know that
Speaker 2: the officers off duty. I don't think that officers tasers.
Speaker 2: You know, there are also individuals who who are unaffected
Speaker 2: by tasers. I've seen police officers use tasers on individuals
Speaker 2: who just continued on. And you're in it. Imagine yourself.
Speaker 2: You're in a fast food joint like Chick fil a.
Speaker 2: I mean, generally in those situations, you can reach out
Speaker 2: in touch with the thrust of your arm, four or
Speaker 2: five other people, a couple of people standing in front
Speaker 2: of you, a couple of people behind you, and he
Speaker 2: apparently had followed a couple of people. When this report
Speaker 2: comes out, I just think that the instinct is, well,
Speaker 2: we you know, the instinct is never with the police officer.
Speaker 2: The the the empathy and the sympathy that these progressive
Speaker 2: politicians show are always with the person who least.
Speaker 5: That's why with the Democratic Party and became a conservative.
Speaker 5: I mean I've always well I've always had great respects
Speaker 5: for law enforcement. Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2: And again, someone you are someone who's blind, you can
Speaker 2: be a target of crime. You've never been the target
Speaker 2: of crime, but just as older people have you.
Speaker 5: No, if someone said to me, it's a good it's
Speaker 5: why were you? You know, I wouldn't go outside with
Speaker 5: a MAGA hat or a shirt that says proud to
Speaker 5: be a deplorable because you're a walking target.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: fact that you're blind and you do not have the
Speaker 2: ability to see someone who's either necessarily following you. I often,
Speaker 2: if I pass someone on the street and they go
Speaker 2: in the opposite direction, depending upon the time of night,
Speaker 2: the circumstances, you know, I give a look just to
Speaker 2: make sure that this person doesn't want to turn around
Speaker 2: and whack me on the back of the head and
Speaker 2: see what sort of Well, if I have any pictures
Speaker 2: of dead presidents on me? Yeah, I mean that's that's
Speaker 2: something every city kid learns. Glenn.
Speaker 5: Well, that's why I don't wear a bat. But somebody
Speaker 5: said someone own dangy lady, and Jude said you should
Speaker 5: have a backpack, and I said, why So we're criminal
Speaker 5: on the street. Oh I see a blind man with
Speaker 5: the can. They can go and behind me. He can
Speaker 5: take something out of it.
Speaker 2: You bet, all right, Glenn, I appreciate it. We're at
Speaker 2: we're so, I got a break for Hello, I got
Speaker 2: to break for news.
Speaker 5: Okay, can I say quick? I bought her last kiss.
Speaker 5: She's on my origial favorite Females.
Speaker 2: It's a long list. Thanks Glenn, talk to you so
Speaker 2: appreciate you listening all right back right after the news
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Ray on you Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan Watkins. Let's get right back to the
Speaker 2: call is going to go to Chuck and East Boston. Chuck,
Speaker 2: you are a next door nightside Welcome.
Speaker 5: Man, How are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Jock. Welcome to Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Then, long time listener, does that means.
Speaker 2: Chuck does that mean.
Speaker 4: No, No, I've I've start talking to many many times before.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for acknowledging your listenership. That's important.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you. With the situation the
Speaker 4: other day with Chick fil A, you know a couple
Speaker 4: of things that has has come up. We have a
Speaker 4: Boston police officer that was forced into using his weapon,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure that that's this guy did not wake
Speaker 4: up in the morning saying, you know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: go plug somebody tonight. That that that, believe me. I
Speaker 4: know a lot of police officers and this is not
Speaker 4: what they what they hang the hat on.
Speaker 2: Chuck, I said the exact same thing in my opening
Speaker 2: monologue to this hour, and that is that that you
Speaker 2: know this this guy is out getting himself a sandwich,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he realizes he's the only
Speaker 2: person in this in this location that has any ability
Speaker 2: to try to control this situation, and.
Speaker 5: He did what he had to do.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he didn't pull his gun out and just
Speaker 2: fire five shots as quickly as he could. Obviously there's
Speaker 2: plenty of witnesses. I'm sure he said, Boston Police, drop
Speaker 2: your drop your weapon, drop it right now and who knows,
Speaker 2: the guy probably didn't say to him, officer, thank you
Speaker 2: very much. I so apologize and drop it on the floor.
Speaker 2: You know as well as I do that it probably
Speaker 2: was an expletive deleted that I can't say on the air.
Speaker 2: And at that point, what's wrong with what is wrong
Speaker 2: with what is wrong with our elected and appointed leader,
Speaker 2: is that they don't see it that way. Shock.
Speaker 4: The bottom line is, they spoke when they should not
Speaker 4: have spoke. They should have let the investigation come through
Speaker 4: and followed through. If there was any kind of a
Speaker 4: situation or any kind of condolences that shuld be made
Speaker 4: to anybody, they should have done it, maybe to a
Speaker 4: family or whoever directly, but not posted publicly.
Speaker 2: It was actually tonight on one of the newscasts. On
Speaker 2: one of the newscasts tonight, I'm not sure if it
Speaker 2: was four or five. The family of this guy apparently
Speaker 2: said they were keeping in their prayers the police officer's family.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, this this this police officer want
Speaker 4: to protect the the residents of Boston to his full stability,
Speaker 4: was forced into a situation where he had to use
Speaker 4: his weapon, and he this is something that he is
Speaker 4: going to have to deal with for the rest of
Speaker 4: his life. And he doesn't deserve it. But but but
Speaker 4: for the grace of God, he was there to protect life. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: this guy. You know, they say that when you play
Speaker 4: stupid games, you win stubid prizes. And this guy brought
Speaker 4: a nice situation where he shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: And I don't no doubt and this is complish. This
Speaker 2: is Copley Square across from the Boston Public Library, in
Speaker 2: the shadow of the Trinity Church. I mean, you couldn't
Speaker 2: have a nicer heart of Boston, of the of Boston's
Speaker 2: back bay. And what has happened is there have been
Speaker 2: police attitudes that have gone on now for years, which is,
Speaker 2: don't confront, let them go, don't pursue. Uh. You've got
Speaker 2: you've got the the moped gangs which are terrorizing some
Speaker 2: parts of the city. You got the people the druggies
Speaker 2: downtown who have basically taken over, uh, the the downtown
Speaker 2: crossing area. And it's getting me. It's getting out of control.
Speaker 2: And you know, if I was the mayor, I say, look, jan,
Speaker 2: what's that.
Speaker 4: It's not not to stop you, but it's not getting
Speaker 4: out of control. It's been out of control for many years,
Speaker 4: and it needs to be switched up, and we need
Speaker 4: to move forward. We need to get control of our
Speaker 4: city and and and and be cognizant of our laura
Speaker 4: biding citizens and protect them to the best of our ability.
Speaker 4: That's all I have to say.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your calling. Keep calling the show. Thank you much.
Speaker 4: I sure will.
Speaker 2: Brother, right, all right, thank you much. Let me go
Speaker 2: to Jean. Jean, you were next on Nisach right ahead.
Speaker 6: Hi, Dan, So, I have been trying to bring notice
Speaker 6: about all the crime going on in Boston. It's from
Speaker 6: Haymarket all the way up to Chinatown, passed it up
Speaker 6: to Boil around the Common on Tremont, Downtown, everywhere, and
Speaker 6: the may is not interested. Neither is the police chief.
Speaker 6: I'm going to say it again. They're not interested. They're
Speaker 6: not doing anything about it. But what I'd like to
Speaker 6: do is, well, well, let me ask you.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Gene. You live outside of Boston.
Speaker 2: Have you called their offices in Boston and identified yourself
Speaker 2: or have you just talked about it to friends neighbors?
Speaker 2: What have you done?
Speaker 6: I have friends who work in Boston and are face
Speaker 6: to face with that problem every single day. Trying to
Speaker 6: go to work.
Speaker 2: No, I understand. Look, we certainly, we understand, and we
Speaker 2: agree that the problem exists. My question was to you,
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if you had called and spoken to
Speaker 2: their offices, to the offices and you had been treated
Speaker 2: in a cavalier manor, or if you have simply talked
Speaker 2: to people about it. I wasn't sure what you were
Speaker 2: claimed you have done.
Speaker 6: Would be a fruitless event for me to even bother
Speaker 6: speaking to any of them. They don't care, They obviously
Speaker 6: don't care that it's spent several years. Now, then to
Speaker 6: spend hell in Boston downtown people walking to work, Jean.
Speaker 2: We're repeating, We're repeating the obvious. Okay, we understand you,
Speaker 2: and I agree that Boston from a crime perspective is
Speaker 2: stating worse. Well, I don't wouldn't call it a hellhole
Speaker 2: in honesty, but yeah, yeah, yeah, Gene, bear me out here. Okay,
Speaker 2: I was in Boston yesterday. You know I'm not spending
Speaker 2: as much time in Boston as I once did. I
Speaker 2: chose to have uh dinner. I could have easily stayed
Speaker 2: in Boston yesterday and had dinner in Boston yesterday, but
Speaker 2: my wife and I had dinner in a suburb last night.
Speaker 2: We met some friends and had dinner at a lovely
Speaker 2: restaurant outside the city of Boston. And the city doesn't
Speaker 2: understand that loss of clientele either. So yeah, I get
Speaker 2: into Boston quite often, but I don't spend a lot
Speaker 2: of money in Boston anymore.
Speaker 6: To be honest with you, no, I never go there anymore.
Speaker 6: But take a walk from Heim. I got up to
Speaker 6: Boilston Street, down down through Tremont.
Speaker 2: Jean, you're preaching. You're preaching to the to the You're
Speaker 2: preaching to the choir here.
Speaker 6: No, I know, I'm just saying the experience.
Speaker 2: When was the last time, When was the last time
Speaker 2: you were in Boston?
Speaker 6: It's earth shattering. I haven't been there for several months,
Speaker 6: but you know, here and there I might have to go,
Speaker 6: but I wouldn't go anywhere except for the North End,
Speaker 6: to be honest, I don't feel safe anywhere pasted there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the North End has their problems as well.
Speaker 6: Jean, thank you for Can I thank that police officer
Speaker 6: if you wouldn't mind, did you just did? He saved
Speaker 6: the innocent lives that night, God bless.
Speaker 2: Thank you you appreciate your call. Okay, let me go
Speaker 2: to Bernie in New Hampshire. Burnie, gonna get you in
Speaker 2: here before the break. How are you, Bernie?
Speaker 5: Good?
Speaker 7: How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Dare a little wound up, but I feel that I
Speaker 2: have a right to be. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. I work in Boston quite a bit. I've been
Speaker 7: in that Chipila a few times. And it's like you said,
Speaker 7: wall to wall people, and it sounds like, I don't
Speaker 7: know just from what I'm hearing, A very bad man
Speaker 7: tried to do a very bad thing, and he got
Speaker 7: called the task on it, and unfortunately someone did die,
Speaker 7: good or bad, he still died, and and that's that's
Speaker 7: terrible for the person's family, but it's good for the
Speaker 7: people that may have gotten heard, because if you're well
Speaker 7: known in a quot a log, guilt or innocence is
Speaker 7: presumed by an imposition of the will. And it sounded
Speaker 7: like he was trying to impose his will on somebody,
Speaker 7: and the officer who was trained to do what he did,
Speaker 7: unfortunately how to do what he did, and something bad happened,
Speaker 7: and that's somebody dying. But something could happen, and that
Speaker 7: maybe innocent people didn't get hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if if if let us say that
Speaker 2: police officer instead of that off duty police officer, instead
Speaker 2: of being in the Chick fil Ah was in a
Speaker 2: restaurant one block away, who would have been there to
Speaker 2: have interrupted whatever the assailant had in mind?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 7: Maybe no one, because sometimes when when seconds matter, the
Speaker 7: police are wontem only minutes away. But that's another story
Speaker 7: for another day.
Speaker 4: But the thing is, what would you say that?
Speaker 7: What would you say just why wouldn't go ahead?
Speaker 2: Now? What would you say to the mayor?
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, yeah, putout the facts? Why would she
Speaker 7: make this? Because you know what my opinion is. I
Speaker 7: could be wrong, but my opinion on this matter is
Speaker 7: she's of the Chicago liberal frame of mind that, like
Speaker 7: you said that, let's like stand up for a put
Speaker 7: a people or whatever. I don't I don't know what
Speaker 7: what she's playing to. But without the facts, why would
Speaker 7: you do something like that without finding out exactly like
Speaker 7: maybe maybe the man was mentally ill and or something
Speaker 7: like I'm not saying that's the case, but like without
Speaker 7: the but but what would he do that?
Speaker 2: But Bernie, let let's assume, let's let's take the worst
Speaker 2: case scenario. Let's assume that this guy truly was mentally ill, okay,
Speaker 2: and he walked into that Chick fil A seeking revenge
Speaker 2: against someone, okay, and at the police officer doesn't have
Speaker 2: a chance to say to the guy, hey, look, do
Speaker 2: me a favor. Let's sit down here and talk this out, okay,
Speaker 2: those the time for that has long passed when the
Speaker 2: guy's wielding the knife in proximity of other people. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I would think
Speaker 2: anybody who would pull a knife out of Chick fil
Speaker 2: A is by definition mentally ill, you know. And but
Speaker 2: I don't think the police officer has a right to
Speaker 2: run some sort of a mental competency test before he
Speaker 2: discharges his weapon. Once he's told the individual, I'm a
Speaker 2: police officer, dropped the weapon, drop the weapon on the floor.
Speaker 2: And at that point that individual, you know, I suspect
Speaker 2: that that if he had dropped the weapon, I don't
Speaker 2: think the police officer would have shot him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm of the same failing. And like I said,
Speaker 7: sometimes that you well know, it depended on a passion.
Speaker 7: A person had a very bad moment and something escalated
Speaker 7: and happened. But this sounded like it was a bad
Speaker 7: man that wasn't going to be listening to reason.
Speaker 2: But even if that guy but Bertie, what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is, what I'm trying to say is that
Speaker 2: that even if this guy was mentally ill, it would
Speaker 2: make it It would make it horrible and very sad.
Speaker 2: But the police officer doesn't have the benefit of second
Speaker 2: guests like you and I. I mean, we could find
Speaker 2: out that this guy had an IQ of thirty, but
Speaker 2: he does. The police officer has to make a judgment
Speaker 2: life or death. And the police officer there were other
Speaker 2: people standing there. This guy could have. You could slash
Speaker 2: someone's throat in a New York second, and he's got
Speaker 2: to he's gotta have confidence when the police officer says,
Speaker 2: drop the knife, I'm telling you drop the knife.
Speaker 4: Right and not being said.
Speaker 7: Now, My last question to you, Dan is do not
Speaker 7: the Boston Police work for the mayor of Boston?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they worked?
Speaker 7: Will that work for her without the fact.
Speaker 2: You know, you know that the answer to that question
Speaker 2: is inherent and why it's asked. It is a mindset.
Speaker 2: It is a mindset that, unfortunately for Mayor Wu overwhelms
Speaker 2: her and she's not capable of seeing good and evil.
Speaker 2: It's all the same. And the good guy was the
Speaker 2: police officer, or would have been a civilian with the gun.
Speaker 2: I mean, thank god it was a police officer. If
Speaker 2: it was a civilian with a gun, no, that would
Speaker 2: even be worse, if you know what I'm saying, Bertie,
Speaker 2: I got a run. Talk to you soon. I thank
Speaker 2: you too, my friend. Coming right back on night Side
Speaker 2: only line available six one seven back right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Rayne line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2: The Fact we go. The's go to Steve Lowell. Steve,
Speaker 2: you were next on Nightside. Where are you driving tonight, Steve?
Speaker 7: Oh? So you know it's truck driver, Steve. Rob told you.
Speaker 2: No, I saw as soon as I saw it. I
Speaker 2: figured it out ahead.
Speaker 8: Well, I must command Rob Brooks. So he's terrific, works hard.
Speaker 8: So I got a couple of points, Dan one, I'd
Speaker 8: like to have a police officer please call in. I
Speaker 8: know the train to kill, and I know every circumstance
Speaker 8: is different, but if somebody wielding a knife is real
Speaker 8: close to you, you have to shoot to kill. But
Speaker 8: I'm saying if they come after you, like run at you.
Speaker 8: Why can't they shoot them in the lake instead of
Speaker 8: killing them?
Speaker 4: It's just a question I have. I'm wondering from a.
Speaker 8: Police officer's perspective, how they would handle that instead of killing.
Speaker 2: Them all the time.
Speaker 9: And I'm and I'm full of blue, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I think I think they're trained to shoot.
Speaker 2: This is I think the train to shoot center body mass. Okay,
Speaker 2: if they're gonna, if they're gonna use the weapon, it's
Speaker 2: center body mass. Some will say, for example, Steve, why
Speaker 2: not just wing him in the hand and that way
Speaker 2: he'll drop the knife. That's not It's not like the
Speaker 2: lone ranger anymore.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: And exactly.
Speaker 2: The point O, Thank god that you and I will
Speaker 2: never be in that position where we have to take
Speaker 2: someone's life.
Speaker 9: Right, And I feel, I really feel for the homeless,
Speaker 9: some of there by choice a lot on all. And
Speaker 9: once again, this is the political thing, and I'm gonna
Speaker 9: make it that is that people voted for liberal lack
Speaker 9: of leadership week leadership, What I would do? I know,
Speaker 9: I've been thinking this true. I don't know how many
Speaker 9: paddy wagons they have.
Speaker 2: You can't say paddy wagons. You have to say police
Speaker 2: wagons with paddy wagons. Sorry, sorry, politically correct, it's a
Speaker 2: MICROAGGRESSI maybe it's a macro aggression. I don't know.
Speaker 9: Well that is for the unruly ones, but for the ones,
Speaker 9: I understand, they're gonna be in the city near you know, establishments,
Speaker 9: But I don't think really that owners like them coming
Speaker 9: into their stores. And again, I'm not putting down the homeless.
Speaker 9: It's just they would love to see that whole area
Speaker 9: cleared out. And I was thinking maybe the city of
Speaker 9: Boston spend their money wisely and get a bunch of
Speaker 9: moving vans.
Speaker 10: And put everything nice and neatly in a moving van
Speaker 10: and transport the homeless on the woods, well, somewhere where
Speaker 10: they're not out in the boonies, but somewhere out of
Speaker 10: the city.
Speaker 3: Were in the city.
Speaker 2: I think we're in dreamland at that point, Steve, because
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Just the American Civil Liberties
Speaker 2: Union would be in in Federal court or wherever Uhsdale
Speaker 2: you know as well as that?
Speaker 4: Okay, well I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 9: That's why you're wiser than I am and much younger
Speaker 9: than I am.
Speaker 2: I like it, Steve. I want to get one more
Speaker 2: in here before the break. Okay, Thanks Jan, Thanks Bell?
Speaker 2: Be well you drive working tonight?
Speaker 9: Are I'm heading, No, whisker, I'm not too far from
Speaker 9: wister right now?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: And then on do you work?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 2: Man? Great talk you too. Let me go to Melissa
Speaker 2: and Oregon. Melissa, want to get you in here before
Speaker 2: the break, right ahead, Melissa.
Speaker 11: Hey Dan, it's nice to hear your your show. You know,
Speaker 11: I was really really saddened today when I when I
Speaker 11: heard the update on the news, I actually thought the
Speaker 11: newscaster made a mistake because I would have thought that
Speaker 11: the mayor would have thanked the police officer for being.
Speaker 4: There, you know, and stepping up and that, and that
Speaker 4: would have been wrong.
Speaker 11: But here's my question for you, and I I don't
Speaker 11: want it to come across sarcastic, but I'm very sincere.
Speaker 11: How does what makes somebody want to be a police
Speaker 11: officer during these times like, how do you recruit somebody
Speaker 11: to be a police officer?
Speaker 5: Today?
Speaker 2: Well, Boston is having by the way, Boston is having
Speaker 2: trouble recruiting police officers. Our police department is down about
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty police officers, and it has been
Speaker 2: down for years, and part of it is the problem.
Speaker 2: They ran a program a year ago where they wanted
Speaker 2: to invite police officers from surrounding communities to make a
Speaker 2: lateral move into the Boston Police Department with some additional benefits.
Speaker 2: Who was like trying to sign you free agent baseball players.
Speaker 2: Just didn't happen. As a matter of fact, a lot
Speaker 2: of police officers in Boston probably in other cities too,
Speaker 2: have left the police work and become firefighters because it's
Speaker 2: dangerous a job as a firefighter is it probably is
Speaker 2: less stressful than a police officer because you know, firefighters
Speaker 2: and the bell rings, they got to be ready. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of times when they're downtimes. Police officers,
Speaker 2: when they're on duty, they never know who's who there.
Speaker 2: That is they're stopping in the car, they have no clothes,
Speaker 2: who's going to walk around the corner. But you're absolutely right, Melissa.
Speaker 2: You know you've had the situation Portland, Oregon. You know
Speaker 2: you had a crazy They are out there and you're
Speaker 2: still recovering from that.
Speaker 11: We're still recovering. And I I question all the time
Speaker 11: because I don't see police officers as often as I
Speaker 11: would like, and it just makes me sad because, you know,
Speaker 11: maybe I'm showing my age, but it always seemed like
Speaker 11: a police officer was such a proud profession, you know,
Speaker 11: and it feels like they're just getting beat up.
Speaker 2: You know. But you and I as kids were taught
Speaker 2: police were our friends. And then there have been some
Speaker 2: actions by individual police officers which have been disgraceful. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think of Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis and others. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they are more police now, it's more representative of
Speaker 2: every community, whether it's Boston or Portland, Oregon. And we
Speaker 2: need to get back to that point of view to
Speaker 2: understand the police that they are to protect us, not
Speaker 2: to harass us. Listen, well, great to hear yours. I
Speaker 2: got you in under the wire. So with apologies to
Speaker 2: a couple of folks I didn't want to have. You
Speaker 2: have to hold on through the news. We'll talk soon, okay,
Speaker 2: thanks Melissa. Baseball is only three weeks away, Melissa. That's
Speaker 2: what love love for baseball. And I was delighted to
Speaker 2: say to see today that the president has has is
Speaker 2: going to pardon peoples. We'll be back on night side
Speaker 2: right after the eleven o'clock news. Stay with us