Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the episode of Challenge, the
podcast all about the Challenge as wel as, I am
Brian sitting singing show tunes with his child who.
Speaker 2: Was locked in his closet, Big Oka, Sweet teen.
Speaker 3: It's not actually a show tune, but it just sounds
funnier and sitting at work singing along. Zachie Bananas, Uh,
Carlin san Diego is on is on on assignment somewhere.
I remember what was she doing this week?
Speaker 2: I don't know. We're not supposed to bring up the
hosts that are missing. Probably Gareth oh Burn too inclusive,
he said, yeah, it's too nice. You know.
Speaker 3: Hey, everybody head of a Challenge pot dot conjoined the
Facebook group. We can also draw our Patreon, which we
will get it to later. Yeah, it's him. What happened
in this episode?
Speaker 2: Oh buddy? Well we start off with a flashback. I've
enjoying these flashbacks. What do you guys think you like
the flashbacks?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's fine, but I was just sitting there
the whole time going shut up, Hunter.
Speaker 4: You're yeah, there's some of them we've got this season.
I've really enjoyed another one that I'm like that was
kind of needless.
Speaker 2: What about this one.
Speaker 4: I was not a big fan of this one.
Speaker 2: I think it brought it up because of the Young Bucks, right,
he was sort of the third Young Buck and this
is sort of a young Buck centric thing by the end.
Speaker 4: And I didn't miss Hunter though, Like, well, I didn't
need this club. We need more Hunter on the show.
Speaker 2: That far disagree. No, this one brought back fond memories
of me because I hate Hunter so much, and I
remember when he got eliminated from that episode and I
was thrilled about that, So fond memories on this one
for me.
Speaker 3: I am fine that we have whittled the young Bucks
back down to Cory.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, the other two are just never coming back. Yeah.
All right, So we're back at the house.
Speaker 4: We have Tony who has like, you know, honorary Young Bucks,
like by acquaintance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that dude's not trying. He shows up every
once in a while, but he doesn't He's never gonna
try again, I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, throws people's pasta out the window.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So we're back at the house.
Speaker 2: Everybody's coming back after the elimination. Michelle, even though she won,
she's crying. She's crying about Olivia, and because of Olivia departing,
a lot of these alliances are sort of shifting. And
that's a big part of this episode is we see,
you know, some alliances falling out, some alliances sort of realigning,
people picking sides. I don't know, this is like an
interesting episode in terms of like securing these alliances. Do
you guys agree with that?
Speaker 3: I see some shifting, but you know, it was already
sort of starting anyway even before this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was. I wasn't here last week because
I was on Arizona, but I was also crying with
Michelle over Olivia.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm over Olivia.
Speaker 2: I am too. I don't need to see Olivia again. Well,
Bananas says though that he's won this game more than
anybody else. He knows what he's doing, and what he
does is he prevents people from crossing him by making
them so miserable that they'll never do it again.
Speaker 3: Mature attitude to have.
Speaker 2: You're sort of self aware though that he just sort
of says it, just sort of like proudly says it
to a camera.
Speaker 4: And you know, if I'm competing for that level of money,
like I'm gonna do the successful thing. I don't care
if it's mature or not. If it works, it works.
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with that too. It makes him
look really stupid on TV a lot, but I think
he just doesn't care and it helps him win. So
he's just gonna do it.
Speaker 4: I think. So. I think you know him and him
and West. I feel like lately, especially I have talked
a lot on the podcasts about like, you know, trying
to play up because they're like, you know, even if
we don't win, we know we're gonna get called back
all the time. And so I think Bonanza is fine
like being the villain or being the idiot because he
knows that's what gets him back every time.
Speaker 2: Yep, totally.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Steven the Chairman says he's a showman. He tries to
make the show interesting, and yeah, that's kind of what
you're saying, Zach. All Right, we get Cara and Derek.
They're talking to Michelle, who is in the middle of
a Michelle down, trying to kind of console her about
everything blah blah blah, lots of talking about Derek needing
and wanting a win. I mean, I kind of knew
early on this episode, like all right, Derek probably wins
this daily because it's just endless talking up Derek. Did
you guys get this impression as you watch the episode?
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't. It didn't clue me in that
he was probably gonna win.
Speaker 4: But yeah, same, I didn't even pick up on it.
Speaker 2: You guys are dumb. Thanks, you're welcome. Corey talks about
losing Michelle because you know, Corey put Michelle in too
much of high regard in terms of their like quote alliance,
and so once Michelle threw Corey and as a target.
Now Corey says, well, Michelle's out and Tory's in. So
he's doing a little switch through with Michelle and Tory.
But frankly, neither of them has his back. So I
don't know, does this matter?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, he's Zach. Can you think of a reason why
this would matter?
Speaker 4: No? I mean I think him bringing in Carra was smart.
But yeah, Tory's point. Listen, I know I brought up
a couple times a season, but you know who else
would have had his back? Amanda?
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, that's true. He got rid of her, So, yeah,
Cory's she wouldn't have made it this far. That's also true,
but more numbers are always good and Corey is just
bad at getting numbers and keeping number It's just he's
just bad at that. We have a little bit of
a breakup with this slow motion workout. Guys, did you
catch the difference between this slow motion workout montage and
our typical slow motion workout montages. I'm gonna guess no this.
Speaker 4: Now, I don't even remember there being the workout montage.
Speaker 2: You gotta be you gotta watch from like me. You know,
I have a highly tuned eye. I look for these things.
This one shook it up a little bit and it
showed him going really slow for a second, and then
it would speed up and have them go really fast,
you know, so like running super slow in the treadmill.
And then it's like, like, you.
Speaker 4: Know, really, I never remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, thanks MTV really shaking it up here.
Speaker 3: Needed to see this for sure, exactly so I'm sure
Zack Snyder does his movies.
Speaker 2: It's very it seemed very like a cinematic ask but
real stupid. We see Tory and Rachel talking. This is
when they're on these couches, and I kind of like
this scene because Rachel just sort of says like, you know,
in this game, the men are saving the women and
the women are saving the men, and so that sort
of is where these alliances need to be drawn. And
so the women can just sort of like chill, like
they don't need to, you know, pick on each other
or battle each other. It's they're kind of just relying
on the men that they're aligned with. A good strategy
from Rachel here to kind of bring Tory in, be
friendly with her or does it really just not matter?
Speaker 4: As Rachel says, Oh, I think it's good strategy because
you know, like while they can't directly go after each other,
you know, they can have influence on their male friends
to be like, hey, you know, try to spare this
person in favor of this person if you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Rachel's just a very positive person
and she's just sort of as like, why would I
shit on Tory, Like I have nothing against her, and
she's not against me in the game because she can't
like throw me in, like you know, she has no
real direct power. Yeah, yeah, I think that's Rachel's main point.
But yeah, getting yeah, women empowering women all that ship.
Rachel likes.
Speaker 3: She just has to make sure that when one of
her alliances quote unquote targeted, she is able to work
to try to save them from whatever fate they're going
to have. So sort of conflicts within the women don't
really amount too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve compliments my voice. Thank you. Steve been working
at it for years.
Speaker 4: With that Minneapolis NY convinced Wolfie come to Minneapolis with us.
Speaker 2: Wait, Steve's in Minneapolis.
Speaker 4: That's his name is Steve from Minneapolis, So we gotta
go see Steve Wolfee.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't see that. I just see Steve.
Speaker 3: So Steve online.
Speaker 4: From Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Oh well, Steve Carlin is usually right in your neck
of the woods. Uh cool. Well, we're onto the challenge guys.
I'm m a smash that I need it, No bumper,
let's go, Wolfy.
Speaker 3: I have to go like three screens over from the
chat room.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to inconvenience you.
Speaker 3: So when I'm like in the chat room, it uh
it takes a while to get there, Mindy says. Mine
says from Minneapolis too.
Speaker 2: So they must be on the app and we're on
the website or something. Well, this challenge guy is called
Mother Trucker two trucks says another trucker. Know what I said?
Speaker 3: No, you said, mother trucker.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, sure enough I did, because yeah, type
out in my thing must have been an autocorrect thing.
And I just read it like that, another trucker.
Speaker 3: That's it. I am Ron Burgundy.
Speaker 2: I just read what's on the screen, you know, exactly.
So the trucks, there's two of them. They go right
next to each other. They go to fifty five miles
an hour, and you gotta run across these trucks and
swing and hit these targets. Corey, if you this looked
super fun, especially Jordan who looked like a superhero swinging around.
Speaker 3: Out there right.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah it was. It was a really cool. Uh yeah,
it was a cool. Elimination or competition starts off with
a challenge. That's it, daily challenge, all of them. Tory
and Carra they start first. They both suck, like do
really really bad and so badly in fact that Tory
kind of gives up on these last couple, which kind
of surprised me.
Speaker 3: What about you guys, why did she do that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why did she do that?
Speaker 3: Zach?
Speaker 2: Any any theories?
Speaker 4: No, I think she has just discouraged and didn't want
to keep trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even have their scores. I have everybody
else's scores, but I don't have those two.
Speaker 4: Well that's fine. They sucked anyway.
Speaker 3: It was five two or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not good. Corey and Bananas go next.
Corey starts at a deficit. If you recall, he finished
last last challenge, so he gets a one target penalty,
so he going into this he says like, I have
to get all of them to win. I cannot miss
one because I'm already at a deficit. But he missed
more than one. He ended up hitting nine of the targets,
but because of the deficit, counts as eight and Banana's
got eleven. Next up as Jenny and Michelle. They both
also sucked five and three. Terrible. We get Jordan on
one side, Josh on the other side. So this is
the you know, tied for the best male and then
the worst male going together. Jordan looked like a champion
on this things.
Speaker 4: Right, It's a little unfair to call Jordan the worst,
but it's good.
Speaker 2: Besides that, he was awesome and just like the way
he looked at he was doing it, like as he
was hitting the targets. He looks powerful and strong, and
then you look at some of the guys and they
look scared.
Speaker 4: You know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Joran's just an animal.
Speaker 4: No, he definitely seemed like he was loving it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh, he was like yelling and as he landed,
he like landed all strong looking. They didn't stumble.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Jordan's just was awesome. And Jordan, I think uh said
a tagline. As he was leaving this competition, he like
gave Josh a high five and he said, I was
on it, bro. That was his level of excitement for
doing well. And I think I'm going to steal that
and now when I do well, that's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 4: I'm on it, bro.
Speaker 2: I was on it Bro. Next up, we get Avive
going with Rachel. Aviv gets two, Rachel gets nine. How
sorry did you guys feel for a Vive during this competition?
Speaker 3: Out at all?
Speaker 4: I felt pretty bad?
Speaker 2: Why not? Why did you not feel boat at all?
Speaker 3: Because I just feel like nothing for me. I didn't
see the season she was on, so literally all I
know about her is this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's been a little.
Speaker 3: She's hanging out with Johnny. So I don't get shit.
Speaker 2: I love a view. I mean, I don't remember her
much from Fresh Meat, but I like these sort of
just normal people that are here, and she's just a
normal person. But yeah, I think just her size got
her here. She's just little. Couldn't get it, couldn't get
it done. We get Derek next to Kyland. This is
all that Derek is so great? Isn't Derek wonderful? Everyone
underestimates Derek. This is all that talk. And Derek does
end up getting twelve, He gets all of them. Kyland
ends up looking like a sucker Kyle, only it's eleven.
Speaker 3: If anything, this is the this is the challenge that
proves that true. Is Derek fucking killed it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but can I give it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: But if you want. But the only person that was
even close was Jordan.
Speaker 2: Sure, but he's not done well the rest of the season.
And I know he did well in All Stars four,
but he's not been a standout competitor and literally any
other challenge except this one.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Fall as strategy, well, I guess I guess we'll have
to see if he like gets to the final or
wins it or something. Then we can consider it strategy.
I don't know if I would consider it strategy right now.
Speaker 3: Because last episode, Johnny pointed out he's like the person
has been playing like a near perfect game. Is this
guy right here Derek?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know. We'll see Zakly, what do
you think is Derek's ability is being overblown this episode?
Speaker 3: Or what?
Speaker 4: Uh sorry cut out? What was that?
Speaker 2: Is Derek's sort of ability is getting overblown this episode?
Or is he sort of a sleeper jam?
Speaker 4: I definitely think he's asleep. I think the final is
where he'll do his best work if he can make
it there, because we've seen what a good runner he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think he's well equipped for a final.
I think he's going to struggle to get there because
I'm not sure he's great elimination, like you know, like
the strength based eliminations and even speed based. I just
I'm not sure if he's like as fast as a
Cory or something. But I guess, well we'll find out.
Speaker 4: Huh who will for sure?
Speaker 2: Yep? All right, so with that or everybody's already gone.
And so the two dudes that did the best, that's
Derek and Jordan. They go against each other in a
sudden death fight, which I call shenanigans. This is not
sudden death at all, but either way, Derek wins the
sudden death round and that's it. First a target, well
I think is that true? Yeah, because I thought, maybe
I need to rewatch it. Jordan, Jordan missed. They all
hit all their targets except the last one that Jordan
missed and Derek got it.
Speaker 3: They stopped. Yeah, they because the counter on the screen
still said like six of twelve. Yeah, and then when
Jordan missed that len Derek got his that they considered
that like the uh, the sudden death whoever whoever missed
the target first.
Speaker 2: Essentially, maybe I need to watch it again because it
seemed like and maybe it's just the way they played it,
but it seemed like in the other rounds the two
people hit their targets at the same time, but then
in the sudden death they were they were they staggered.
Speaker 3: No, I think they were. They were going at the
same time.
Speaker 2: All right, Maybe I need to watch it again because
it seemed I don't know the way I remember it.
I thought Derek missed one and then Jordan missed two.
But maybe I need to watch it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I only saw the one that Jordan missed.
I don't think Derek missed Anny.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's I mean, it's it's possible I just missed
something or they you know whatever, and.
Speaker 3: They showed it in slow mo and Jordan just missed
his target by the tip of his hand because he
doesn't have it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bananas tweeted at Hims. If he would have a
full hand, he would have nailed it. Yep, poor Jordan.
Part of me does wonder, like, do you think Jordan,
do you think Jordan gave it to him? I wonder if,
like I'd have to like think about why he would
want to avoid that power position.
Speaker 3: But I don't see the strategy of doing that as
far into the game.
Speaker 2: I'd have to Yeah, I'd have to review who's in
the house and stuff. It doesn't matter, frankly, but thought exercise.
Speaker 3: Especially on a uh on a week on a week
where we saw what Derek did, which was just hey,
I'm just gonna sit quiet and you do whatever you
want and I'll just sign off on it. Like Jordan
could have taken that position too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true. Yeah, uh cool. Well that's it
for this Challenge, Avive comes in last, so she gets
a penalty. For the next week's challenge, Derek and Rachel
they win, which means that for this round it's gonna
be Josh who is definitely going in. He lost for
the men and he's gonna be going against Corey or
Bananas and Rachel is going to make that call. And
that's it for the challenge.
Speaker 3: Touch out.
Speaker 2: We're back to the house. I guess what, guys, Josh
is crying. Can you believe it?
Speaker 3: No, I can't believe it whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Shocking.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just glad that, you know, nobody voted
me in. It is what it is, right to hear
it is what it is. Any God damn.
Speaker 2: More time, Jesus. It's so fucking frustrating. They say the
same ship all the time. H Yeah. So Josh is
crying about that. He's crying about his family back in
Cuba and how he wants to give that money and it's.
Speaker 3: Just like water, I have a problem with this. So
he talks about how his family escaped from Cuba for
a better life and you know whatever, fine, and then
he's like, but you know, I just I want to
be able to provide for them, and I haven't been
able to to, you know, give them money to do so. Uh, motherfucker,
didn't you win half a million dollars on Big Brother?
Speaker 2: Mandy just said that the cha yep.
Speaker 3: And maybe instead of going on vacation every other goddamn week,
you idiot, you could be sending money to your family.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep. David thinks Josh is crying. He's
just crocodile teas for the camera. It seems that way
more and more all the time. I really like it's
weird that Josh gets all this credit for being authentic
and what a good friend. But during club night we're
going to see that Josh is actually sort of a
fucking shitty human in addition to being a shitty challenger.
Speaker 3: Well, well, don't get too hard on him. It's Zach's
favorite player.
Speaker 2: We're gonna call you a Zaki Crimson, Chin Zaki Chin.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, like Bananas is the greatest of all time,
and even he acknowledges the greatness within Josh, so great
recognizes great.
Speaker 3: A gross When does Joshu's great start, because we have
we haven't seen any of that yet.
Speaker 4: The reality television. Have you won Wolfe? Uh?
Speaker 3: None? How many is Josh one?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 3: And it's just because everybody hated the other guy more.
Speaker 4: And he was smart to bring Paul to the end
as a.
Speaker 3: Go I guess so.
Speaker 2: But I think I think Josh thinks he's great. I
just think he's grating. Boom dad joke.
Speaker 3: Boom roasted.
Speaker 2: Yep, boom roasted. All Right. So we see Derek and
Corey talking. This is when they're sort of at that table,
and this sounds almost like Corey's whining, but I don't
think that's what he's doing. He just says like he's
really frustrated. Uh, he's pissodistic to go in for a
third time, but he sort of gets it, and generally
he's just mad at himself. He's mad at himself and
how he's played this game seems reasonable. But is Corey
doing this to sort of appeal to Derek, to appeal
to Rachel or is he really just venting here? Is
this game? Or is this or is this friendship? You
know what I'm saying, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't care, Zachy, any any opinions on that?
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both. You know,
I think he's I think he kind of knows where
things are going, and uh, he's accepted it, but like
you know, he's just venting, but he's hoping that maybe
maybe he'll say something that just you know, gets her
off for a game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sound is ich?
Speaker 2: Does that come close? Come closer?
Speaker 4: I'm coming closer.
Speaker 2: All right, Well that's it. We're now we're in a
club night, guys, And so yeah, we have an approach
to this choosing of the competitor that goes into elimination
that I feel like it's been a while since we've
seen that Rachel is sort of unwavering with this, and
she never makes it a question at all to anyone
during this episode at all. Every time this topic comes up,
she's just sort of just like, yeah, sorry, it's Corey.
I'm not throwing in bananas. It's Corey. It's gonna be Corey.
I can't remember another episode where we've seen it just
so clear like this, And we saw several conversations with
Rachel where she just was like, sorry, it's Corey, It's
just Corey. What do you guys think is this?
Speaker 4: Is this?
Speaker 2: Was this weird? Or was this sort of expected from Rachel.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is I mean, this is basically
the equipment one of Banana's making his own target sleeve
because it's like, we all know who Rachel's throwing in.
We know it's not gonna be Johnny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no point in pretending or playing it.
Speaker 3: She's just I didn't even know why we had Like
literally the producers must have been like, now you guys
still have to do the thing. Yes, It's like, what
was even the point?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree, Yeah, And David says I don't blame Rachel.
I don't either, but it's I don't know, it's just weird.
Like usually you see the players in confessionals or something saying, oh,
I know Bonanza's in my alliance, but I don't know.
Carras said something to me that's kind of getting to me,
like leaving some kind of question mark. But there was
no question here, Like through any of this episode. I
don't think any of us thought, oh, maybe maybe she
will turn on him. It seemed very clear to to
probably everybody.
Speaker 3: I don't I know, like there's no reason for Rachel
to turn on Johnny like at all. From now until
the end of the the episode, as you've mentioned, like
the girls are picking the guys, but they're not sort
of directly competing with them, right, so it's like, what
would even be the point at this point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you want to be paired up with somebody
that's really strong and it's going to do well, which
is why Rachel picked Bananas and Jordan just like duh,
and I love Corey, but he's not as good as
those guys. Sorry, Corey. We get a really awkward conversation
between Corey and Josh where Josh seems like he's trying
to make amends and say that he thinks of Corey
like family, and Corey is sort of just pushing back.
Speaker 3: Reaction. He's like, well, you need to start treating me
like family, and Josh is all laughing. Corey's just like, no, seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Corey Moore every time I see him,
and I hate Josh Moore every time I see him.
But it's just like so inauthentic, right Josh versus like
what Corey is saying, which is like real shit, Like
I don't know, Josh is just just a fucking ass, right,
He's an idiot? Yeah, how do you defend this, Zach
paired this discussion paired with giving Corey one karma point
at the end of the episode, how do you square
this and and come out thinking that Josh is like
a reasonable guy who says what he means.
Speaker 4: All right, so here's how So I went to my
more minority this last weekend.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, well, you've just discounted everything you're about to say.
Speaker 4: So we had like fifteen of us in this verbo
like and like by the end of the weekend, we're
all like, you know, like I love you, You're my family.
And that's true. But despite that, that doesn't mean all
of us in the family are equally, like, you know,
have equal levels of friendship. There's people you connect with more,
people you connect with less. So he could still love
Kory as a family, but Corey might be, like, you know,
on the lower end of the family. He might be
like a second cousin twice removed.
Speaker 2: Corey was a one. Yeah, he's a one. And I
don't think when people when people's Zach, I mean, come on, buddy,
when people say, hey, you're my family, I consider you family,
they're not saying I consider you a second cousin once removed,
Like they're saying, you're my brother, you're my sister, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But I also think Josh would say he considers Tory
family and Bananas.
Speaker 2: They gave him, and they gave them motherfuckers five right, yeah, yeah,
So why didn't even Corey a five?
Speaker 4: Because he feels closer to those people than Corey, But.
Speaker 2: It costs him nothing. It costs he can give them
both fives, but.
Speaker 3: Then he gave people he doesn't consider family a one
as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Wilfee, Yes, exactly, So Corey should gott
into two at minimum, two.
Speaker 3: At the minimum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So sorry that I can see that, But I
like Josh's tragedy, this with the karma legit, Like, you know,
I would be thinking, like, okay, like I really like
this person that get five. You know, I hate this
person get one people in the middle. But it's like
if I have in there, you know, like I love Bananas,
It's like, hey, if I want to give Bananas's best
shot to win, the best I could do is give
him the high score possible in all his competition in
the lowest.
Speaker 2: Sure, but then but then you should he gave Tory
and Rachel fives as well.
Speaker 4: Because I think of everyone left in the game, those
are probably the three people he would most like to
see wins.
Speaker 3: Okay, but then your your your theory falls apart where
you said, I'm gonna give Johnny the best chance to win,
but he didn't because he also gave Rachel Tory fives?
Speaker 4: Is Bananas competing against Tory and Rachel in the final?
Are they his competition?
Speaker 2: Well, we have no idea.
Speaker 3: We don't know that against each other.
Speaker 4: I feel like we have I feel like they've said
that it's like one male winner, one female winner. So
Bana like him having five to the girls has no
negative impact on Bananas as far as we know.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also weird because I don't think that Bananas
will ever come around on Josh. So why is Josh
rewarding Johnny Bananas? Josh is just burning more bridges here
with it, Like he's just making it worse for himself,
and he looks like a hypocrite and he's awful.
Speaker 3: Johnny would burn Josh if he got the chance to Johnny.
Johnny's excuse would be, remember that one time when you
threw me into elimination that we made up about like
five billion times over it.
Speaker 4: I disagree if just like he did.
Speaker 3: To Sarah, Just like he did to Sarah.
Speaker 4: We see that Josh and Bananz get long. If Josh
came into a season, was like from day one, Bananas,
you are my loyalty. Screw Toy, screw the bakage ones,
I got you. You don't think Bananas would be dying
to get Josh into a final against him, days would
be protecting that man with his life.
Speaker 2: Right, So why is he giving Bananas a five when
Bananas doesn't really like doing anything for him? When when
Corey would have done something for him but he but
he burned him instead. All right, good one, alright, cool.
Speaker 4: We've heard Josh talked about hanging out with Bananas outside
the show.
Speaker 3: I don't remember, I don't care. I wish Josh would die.
Speaker 2: Geez Harsh continue, I will Okay, So they're still at
the bar. Kylin talks about how Josh uh more more
of this bullshit right about how strong players are who
aren't strong. Kylon talks about uh hold Josh.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I was I was kidding. I don't actually
wish for Josh to die.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, the chat room are a little excited about it.
I don't actually wish that. We'll get into how.
Speaker 3: I feel about people, how I feel about people in
general later on in the episode. Well, she liked it,
so now I'm gonna reverse it. Bendy liked it. Yeah,
I hope he does.
Speaker 2: You gotta die.
Speaker 3: We need a sis bitch.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, So Kylon is talking. I was
bullshit right like, Oh, Josh is motivated by his elimination losses.
And Josh is stronger now and he's gonna do well
and he's here to prove himself. And Kylin listen, I
like Kyland. Kyln tries to think of positive things to
say about people. Kyland are full of shit. This is
not true.
Speaker 3: This is the producer going, could you tell us, uh like,
sort of talk Josh up a little bit for this episode?
Speaker 2: Make something up? Con al right, sorry, Zach, I'm not
gonna guess for you and put on that one. We're
having too much fun making fun of people that you like.
Speaker 3: So this said, is y'all's cameras not working. Uh, Tim's
Internet was being sketchy and I didn't want to be
the only person on my camera on so we just
went no cameras this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'll turn I'll turn it back on for
the after show, and it doesn't matter if the quality
is shitty.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Bananas and Rachel, this is where they have
their heart to heart talk in the in the in
this bar here, it's Bananas and the angels, all the angels,
and Rachel's is very nice kind things to him. That's
kind of nice. I don't know, what do you guys think?
Speaker 3: Fuck Johnny.
Speaker 2: Zach. I thought this is really interesting because they Bananas
and Rachel here talk about the Island, which we've talked
about endlessly on this podcast and actually reviewed that whole season's.
Speaker 3: Darkest, Darkest time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we would all agree with that, right,
Like watching that, you can tell how dark of a season.
It's like an uncomfortable season to.
Speaker 3: Watch because he's a dick and an asshole.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me though, because they they kept selling
this as the only time they've appeared in a show together,
but they were on X's one together, which is super
weird that nobody fucking mentioned that.
Speaker 4: But I think NaN's was like too preoccupied kind of
handle the camelinator.
Speaker 2: He didn't you didn't, Well, maybe that's it, but it's
and it took me a second team and remember that, like,
oh shit, they've did a second season together. This is
the third one they've done together. But whatever. It was
kind of nice to hear them talk about the Island
again because that's been sort of like buried in the
in the lore of the challenge and to see them
like bring it up on the show again and kind
of come to that. I don't know, it was kind
of a cool moment.
Speaker 3: We did talk about how much of like a turning
point that season was for the show.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, it was. It was a very and
we covered the season on this unchallenged.
Speaker 3: But when we covered yeah, when we covered it, we
were all just like, man, I thought, I remember this season,
but it seems like this season was way more important
than me gave it credit for it.
Speaker 2: Yep, So that was good. Rachel talks about that. She
talks a little bit bit more about her relationship with Bananas,
that she considers him sort of like a child and
that you have to just sort of ignore the bad
when he acts out and has his little outbursts and
just pay attention to the good. Zach, That's probably what
you do too, right.
Speaker 3: Waiting a long time.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't see the bad and bananas. It's
all good fun bananas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, we have something really important to
discuss here. We have Derek and Kara talking. During this conversation,
they're talking about being underdogs and how important that is
as uh in this game. I'm not interested in this
conversation at all. But what I thought was interesting is
that they both kept cocking their heads to the side
like dogs, you know, like when dogs are confused and
they do that weird headcock to the side, you know.
But they both kept doing it, and then they both
escalated it, and by the end of it, I swear
to god, both of their heads were like fucking ninety degrees,
their necks tilted at an inhuman angle but matching, and
it was a very unusual to me. Anybody in the
chatterman catch this? Zach? Did you catch this?
Speaker 4: I was not paying attention to their next positioning?
Speaker 2: Oh how could you not? Their heads were on sideways?
Speaker 3: David or.
Speaker 2: I think it was Carl. I can do without this too,
by the way, Carl, Yeah, why would Kara hide that
beautiful face of hers? She's just so beautiful, and to
put ship on her face. It's like it's a crime,
should be a crime against humanity.
Speaker 3: It's Tim's face.
Speaker 2: That's yes, all right. So we see Corey and Rachel talking.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Corey is desperate, you know, he's like trying to to
really convince Rachel to change her mind to throwing bananas.
He's coming at this thing from all angles, trying to
implant it like it's her idea. She's not having it.
She knows what he's doing. She she calls him out.
She's like, no, it's it's you, dude. It's got it's
got to be you. It's unfortunate, but it's got to
be you. Worth worth it though, Right, Corey is doing
the right thing. He's trying.
Speaker 3: You gotta try.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always like it when people lose trying though,
like they're they're fighting on their way down, and uh,
that's what Corey's doing. He actually says directly, uh, like
he's gonna try to get out of this, like he's
gonna try to get bananas thrown in. But hey, worst
case scenario, he has to go into elimination with Josh,
and so who fucking cares, That's gonna be no big deal.
He's gonna beat him right away. Kay wonders if I
miss CT yet that's part of the show. I do.
But I think CT's I think he's I think he's
spinning out, Zach. Maybe you can cover that in social media.
Speaker 4: Stuff later, cts spinning out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know that? Do you know the CT
social media ship.
Speaker 4: I've just seen him posted about how many his girlfriend
is and how much he loves her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That, but that's like I don't know the MTV
Challenge subbart, it's picking that apart. All right, we'll get
into that in social media. Yeah, all right, Well that's
kind of it. For the bar scene. Back at the house,
we have Derek and Rachel. They're talking about how important
it is that they both won that last challenge and
represented the LGBTQ plus community. Rachel goes on to talk
about representation in the early days of MTV twenty years
ago versus today, and LGBTU representation on the show, including
like flashbacks to a lot of lgbt players throughout the years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I had a question and I don't know.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't. I didn't know
Evelyn was part of the LGBTQ. I guess Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean hardcore lesbian. Remember she was hooking up
with Brooke that one, like she can Brook to lesbianism
that one scene.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't remember.
Speaker 2: That one that one season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Anything to say about this LGBTQ plus thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it's cool. I love seeing a
throwback to all the former you know, contestants that have
represented the LGBTQ community over the years. And I loved,
you know, the flashback to Rachel with her lesbian shirt
and just kind of talk about you know, like I
never really thought about it, but thinking back to like
twenty years ago, it is crazy, just like, you know,
to be so open back then compared to modern days
and how far we've come in a lot of ways.
But according to her in Derek apparently, you know, they
feel like in some ways it's even harder these days.
Speaker 3: I wonder if she's meeting in sort of like a
social media aspect where twenty years ago she wears it
on the show and nobody can really say anything about it.
But you know, she has her own business now, she
wears it on the show now. Even though she's very
open on the show that you know, she's a lesbian,
but I wonder if sort of wearing a shirt like that,
she would be more afraid of people blowing up her
social media and her businesses social media that threats and
like all that dumb bullshit that happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all. Yeah, and you know, she was out back then.
I remember her being like openly a lesbian. But I
also remember in those days, Veronica was closeted and there
was always rumors that like Veronica and Rachel had a thing,
but it never talked about on the show, and it
did give Veronica like a lot of sort of leeway there.
I don't think anything was ever confirmed until she was
ready to confirm it. So yeah, yeah, in the time
says he's he's a gay man. He loved that segment,
David talks about Jonathan Murray being gay. I didn't actually
didn't know that that Jonathan Murray was gay. The creator
of these series didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I thought it was good, Yeah, and
its always happy. I loved that they showed part of
Big Teas celebration from uh was that all starts for?
Speaker 2: I don't remember where that was, I don't remember. Yeah,
they all blend together. Yeah, that was nice to could
have done about the Casey and Nanny. Just don't give
a fuck about those two. Uh, just don't. I just
don't care.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Peter asked when Derek and Marlin hooked up cases last season.
But I think Derek and Marlin wasn't that like fucking
like rivals too, like a billion years ago. Doesn't really matter. Hey,
we're about to get into the best part of this
episode though. Oh well no we're not. We gotta go,
We gotta go through the chain. Her first chamber is bullshit, right,
you guys care about Chamber.
Speaker 3: That's not the one I wanted to hit.
Speaker 2: Say my name there?
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: Don't say my name, bitch chamber. Josh cries. Uh, but
she's been such an angel to be ep.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't need this. I just didn't need this. Uh.
Everybody goes around and they try to say something heartfelt
because Josh is crying, and everybody tries to say something whatever.
My only note here is that Johnny lies about Josh
being able to win. Johnny says some things about like
you've got endurance, you've got heart, you've got you know,
you've got all the skills you need to win this game.
It's like, no, you don't. No, he does not. We'll
find out hearing about right, so stupid. Hey guys, My
favorite part of the episode in Sally's too This is
where we get the Nelly T phone call with Corey,
who's excited.
Speaker 3: He's very excited. You are too, right, Wolfe, I am not.
But I thought this was a family call because you know,
I was fast forward into the commercials and then I
just saw Corey, like, you know, hunched in front of
the zoom thing whatever. Like I always this is gonna
be like, oh, I gotta see my kids before I
go into elimination. So Tim's gonna eat this ship up.
And it turns out it wasn't his kids. It was
fucking Nelson and Tim is still eating this shit up.
Speaker 2: It's right, I'm gonna eat this shit up, no matter what,
No matter what. Zach, what do you think about Nelly
T coming back for this?
Speaker 4: I loved it. You know, I've been the number one
proponent of we need to get Nelly T back on
the show post post you know, amputation, post prosthetics. So
this is a step in the right direction that we
need him on season forty one competing.
Speaker 2: Yea, kay Kay brings up Wolf. Are you a Nelson fan?
Now I gotta ask, Okay, are you a long time
you are a long time listen ner? Well, ifee, I'm listening.
I'm forcing myself to love the challenge again. So I'm
listening to our coverage of Dirty thirty. God, it comes
up a lot. I keep trying to get you on
Nelson's side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, now, he saw a gun when he
was twelve. I just can't do it anymore.
Speaker 2: Ten seasons later, I'm like, I'm still like, please please
like him, Please please like him.
Speaker 3: Look, this is gonna be my my callback to what
I said about Josh earlier, when I said I just
wish you would die, And then I had to be like, no,
I don't like I feel bad, like I don't wish
bodily harm, like I feel bad that Nelson lost his leg.
The other part of me is like, this is own
damn fault. So yeah, with that ship, but I do
still feel bad that. You know, I don't want even
if I pe people I don't like, I don't want
them to have super serious injuries. To that, I'm glad
he's okay. I never have to see him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, David says the same thing, and yes, to to
be clear, Nelly did lose his leg because he was
driving drunk, hi bummer, you know, like you hate to
like like that's a terrible way to lose your leg,
because you don't you're not like totally a victim. And
now you do get some of these people like you wife,
who are like, I'll give a fuck, it was your fault.
You know. That's all stuff that he's gonna have to
sort of deal with, and that's just like what it is.
I don't know, what can you say. I do think
he's got a good spirit about it. I hope he
learned a lesson. He seemed like smiling and happy. I
hope that.
Speaker 3: I hope he does well until John, until Corey brings
up his leg and then you can see Nelson go, well,
I didn't think we were going to bring that up,
and it's just like, what the fuck do you think? Nelson?
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 2: I was a little shocked at how close these two
appeared in these Like we know that they've been close,
but this seemed extra close, didn't it. Were you guys
surprised at this or was this sort of what you expected.
Speaker 4: That's what I.
Speaker 3: Expect to remember, Nelson went into elimination so Corey because
he's got kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, but even that seemed like for show.
I don't know. This seemed like very emotional when Corey
was just like, what's up with your leg and Nelson
was just like, oh fuck, I missed my foot, Like
I don't know, it was just like very I don't know.
It felt real to me in those moments.
Speaker 3: His leg in the video.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was really cool. Zach any any any any
insights on these conversations.
Speaker 4: No, I think, yeah, they're just good friends. And uh,
I don't know. I don't think Nellie going in was
just for like TV entertainment purposes. I think I think
he's a good dude, and I think Wolf he needs
to just love him like we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wolf, I agree. Agree, you gotta come around.
Speaker 3: I've been glad I have not had to see him
for many seasons.
Speaker 2: I miss him. I miss him, and I'm going to
order that Nelly teed U letterman jacket he was wearing.
I thought that was pretty cool. All right, that's enough
for that phone call. We get Kara talking to Rachel
one more time, guys, one more time. We have to
see if Rachel will change her mind. Car does her
best trying to get bananas tossed in and Rachel's like, nah,
not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: That surprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have we ever.
Speaker 3: Seen Rachel just like completely turn on somebody like I
don't remember, so I'm legitimately asking.
Speaker 2: I legitimately can't remember either. I don't think so. I
think Rachel is just one of these women that is
such a badass and so sort of unafraid that she's
just willing to play the game straight up and if
she goes into elimination, she'll just win it. And that's
what it seems like Rachel, Zach. Can you think of
a time that Rachel was sort of a shitty player
to get ahead of the game, No, not.
Speaker 4: That I could think of. Yeah, I feel like she's
one of those people kind of like Jordan who's good
with just you know, keeping her word, being like, I
feel like I can compete with that anyone at the end,
So you know, I don't. I don't care about cutting
people and betraying them.
Speaker 3: Yep, she wants the best people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, David brings up Rachel's speech. This show is ugly.
The inner circle is ugly, and I don't want to
be a part of it anymore. Battle of the Sexes.
We watched that, Wolfee Zaki, I assume you've.
Speaker 4: Seen it way back when.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great season. All right, So we get Tory doing
Josh's hair and they're going over affirmations. Well for you
and I have done a lot of therapy. Have you
ever done affirmation I have not, I have either, Zachi,
do you do it? Do you do affirmations?
Speaker 4: Not generally. I have done them in the past, but
not very often.
Speaker 3: I was encouraged to maybe do some meditation if that
worked for me, And seems like a lot of my
therapy was just reconnect with uh inner child, sort of
the inner child to deal with childhood trauma and stuff,
and uh that was pretty much like the extent of mine.
Speaker 2: So you don't look at yourself in the mirror and
say I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and people like me, Okay,
look at the mirror and I go, you're a dumb bitch.
Speaker 4: Uh. Ed.
Speaker 2: We get a flashback scene, Wolfe, as you talked about
Corey looking through pictures of his kids before elimination, getting
himself hyped up We've seen this in a lot of challenges.
A lot of dads look at the picture of their kids.
I'm a sucker for it every time. I fucking love it.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 2: Nothing, that's great, Okay, all right, guys. With that, we're
on to elimination. There is obviously zero sort of suspense
here as to what Rachel's gonna do. Rachel's just like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Uh, I thought you meant about who's gonna win this elimination?
Speaker 2: Oh that too, but yeah, Corey. Corey's like, Rachel, who
you're gonna throw in? And it's like, all big drum roll, guys,
who's she gonna pick? And She's like, that's fucking Corey
the as she said this whole fucking episode. So Corey
versus Josh obviously, uh, this elimination very sexual name coming
from behind. That's hilarious, so funny. Fun know. There's two tracks.
One you're trying to run straight to a bell. One
you have a shorter track. You gotta get over an
obstacle and then try to tackle the person before they
get to the bell. I don't know. This seems like
a variation of HALLBORWL, but more separate, sort of sort
of a physical sport game, but not quite. What did
you guys think of this game?
Speaker 4: I liked it. I think, uh, you know, I said,
if we got people that were more evenly matched, this
could be a really fun elimina chancy again in the future, totally.
Speaker 2: I think, Yes, if people evenly matched, that's the key.
Speaker 4: He's like CT versus Jordan in this.
Speaker 2: Yes, something something cool, something like that. Yeah. I don't
know much to say about this elimination. It was a
clean sweep. Corey just fucking got his four points right
in a row. Josh didn't stand a chance on offense
or defense. There was no way he was gonna win
this ever, and that's how this ends. Anything else to add, guys,
this is.
Speaker 3: Like the fucking This is the prime example of why
Josh is an idiot. Yeah, because I mean, okay, Josh
starts off on the longer track where you try to
ring the bell and Corey's playing defense eventually run over
and try to like knock him out of bounds, and
it goes pretty much anything it's gonna go. And then.
Speaker 2: Swat places and there's like hay Bailles.
Speaker 3: The defense has to like jump over switch places in
Josh goes to jump over the haybells, lands on him,
completely falls over. Corey just like blows past him and
then just rings the bell and I'm just like, you
fucking idiot. Yeah, somebody was like, Josh, all you had
to do is jump over the haybills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, he tumbles that first time he's on
the ground as Corey is ringing the bell. It's like
fucking pathetic.
Speaker 3: Then Corey knocks him out of out of bounds again.
Problem and then this time when Josh is on defense,
runs up and then like tries like dukes.
Speaker 2: Of hazard slide over to the hay bales.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, you're fucking like, what are you doing?
And then they cut to Johnny who's just like shaking
his head and laughing to himself like what.
Speaker 2: A I felt so bad because yeah, Banana's Kara and
a Vive all like for their reaction shots just looking
at the ground and shaking their head like, oh, poor Josh,
He's not gonna be able to do this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we talk a lot about this show about
athletic athlet that athleticism that like naturally born in athleticism.
Josh doesn't have it, And this was clear here. You know,
Corey was he launched like a rocket and he's going
fast and he looks powerful, and Josh is just running
like a sloppy like his arms are everywhere and he's
slow runner. And he says at one point he's like, yeah,
I'm not the fastest, but I'm gonna win this game
with my endurance. And it's like, Josh, this is not
an endurance game. This is these rounds are eight seconds long, dude,
Like this is this whole eimination is less than thirty seconds. Like,
just fucking guy.
Speaker 4: When he said that, When he said that, I actually
thought it was gonna work and I was like, oh,
Corey's gonna get tired out. He's gonna like be dragging.
And Josh did come back and like at least make
it competitive if not when, but yeah, that that never happened.
Speaker 3: And then Josha remarks, Oh, Corey played college football. It's like, yeah,
all Corey is prime to do is to run for
short spurts of time. That's that's what football is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is He's like suited for this.
Speaker 3: This is perfect. I think, as David pointed out, no
fucking puzzle in this goddamn elimination, which is great, and
it's all just athletic and physical and god damn does
Josh shit the bed like you would not believe. Like
he could not have done any worse. The definition of
him doing worse is him stepping on his shoelace and
tripping at the start. That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did we need the hay bails? I think this
would have been more competitive if you just grew the
hay bails.
Speaker 3: Well, Corey didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Corey was fucking waiting for Josh both times. Was
waiting for him for a couple of seconds. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Anyway, like just a bigger head start for these I
feel like this was still close enough. That really just
does come down to who's a faster runner.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to jump over hay balls,
which Josh could not do because he's a goofy moron.
He's not good at anything, Zach.
Speaker 2: It feels unfair because it was a clean sweep and
not close, so you're sort of thinking like, well, let's
adjust the rules to make it closer. But the point
is they both ran defense twice, they both ran offense twice.
Josh lost both like all of all four and that
just means Corey is a better player. And so that's
that's what it is. You can't adjust rules to make
it even.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a buzz. I just feel like, I don't know,
I feel like, not even just this matchup, I feel
like that just not having those haybells there would make
it more competitive for most matchups, Zach.
Speaker 3: If it was Josh versus Biggie, By still would have
smoked Josh. Josh is just bad. He's just bad at
everything in this game.
Speaker 4: I mean, Biggie's lost alav way have you seen him lately.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. He still would Bye by your calculations
not be faster than Josh, and he would still smoke
Josh because Josh is terrible at the challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, suckings, zach.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree, Zach. I understand he got you Hada,
you gotta you had a front for Josh.
Speaker 4: But Josh, like you know, I said earlier Jordan versus ET,
And the more I thought, I'm like, I don't know
if CT can run the rate Jordan cancer part me
is like maybe that would be a blowout, But I
think if you get rid of those hay Baiales c
T could like, you know, train wreck him. Those hay bails,
I think pluts and being a slower runner. I think
that's too much for CD's overcome.
Speaker 2: He's a worse player than he should lose. I suppose
he's act Yeah, but still.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 2: It's over I can't argue that point.
Speaker 3: Okay brings up. Remember when Josh couldn't throw.
Speaker 2: Balls and flashed back to that one elimination win that
he had against I can't remember who the other player was,
somebody pathetic and it was just still sloppy. It was
like it was like a sloppy, pathetic slow win.
Speaker 3: You know, he lost a tug of war to a
one handed man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the worst. He's just terrible. He's just terrible,
all right. So Corey wins, and so he gets to
pick the targets for next episode. He picks Jenny, Michelle
and Avive. No surprises there. That's kind of what we
would have expected, I think. And that's about it for
the episode. Then we get to Josh and the Karma vote.
We talked about that.
Speaker 3: Was that pre show or was that where we talked
about it on pre show? But could this guy just
not do anything normally. Like we've seen people do the
Karma vote and they're kind of they're like, oh wow, okay,
all right, uh, this is who I'm going to get.
And then TJ tells Josh, and Josh just acts like
this is the biggest twist that has ever happened in
the history of the child.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Wow, Wow. He's like Derek trying on
those fucking sunglasses.
Speaker 4: Whoa.
Speaker 3: He is just completely blown away and it's just like
you're just assigning points to people. Josh call him the fuck.
But when TJ is telling you specifically your vote could
change who wins a million dollars, he's not speaking specifically
to you. He has said that to every person that
has been eliminated in this game. Calmed down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he made the wrong we talked
about in the pre show, but I'll say it again
for the real show. He made the wrong call here
giving everybody ones and fives. That's ridiculous if you want
to play this game again, and these people are gonna
watch this on TV, Josh, like you've just pissed off
more people, especially Corey bad call. Give everybody fives? Right
if you if your Josh, give every single person a five,
because who really cares. He always plays this game anyway.
He thinks of them as family. He's one family. You
think some of them just as much as other people.
Who doesn't consider family, but he's family.
Speaker 3: Yeah ship Uh. David does bring up to be fair.
When they announced it daily, the cast all shows false excitement. Yeah,
but I mean, come on, look just look at his face.
He's got he's he's doing the fucking home alone, the
hands up on the cheeks, like, oh my god, like,
calm down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have we we just look for reasons to
hate him, David, even if we're being unreasonable. Just let
us just let us do it. If Jordan acted the same,
I'd be like, no, that's let's be expected. Jordan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jordan, Uh, you know he's shocked by this twist.
It may be the greatest twist in the history of
the challenge. Well, Josh does that, We're.
Speaker 4: Like, what a fucking moron.
Speaker 2: That's right, I'm surprising didn't cry about it. Yeah, we're
nothing of not consistent and our hatred for challengers the
only thing.
Speaker 3: Everything's measured by the same uh, same rules, every single player.
Speaker 2: Yep, and so much as fluid through seasons this seasons,
but that's not this. The hatred of players is what
motivates us to continue watching. Oh my god, our strongest opinions.
Oh that's it, guys, that's that's the episode.
Speaker 3: Everybody, I have a head over, perhaps a challengepod dot
com jo, Facebook group, Austin Patriot White people get the
Patriot all right?
Speaker 2: Five bucks, guys, we have one tier. Five bucks. You
get pre shows, after shows, literally years of content. I
was talking to Wolfy earlier. I've been listening to our
early episodes season like one and two, including your first episode,
Zachi Banana's Wolfie. You'll never believe this. We were in
our thirties when we started this podcast. I believe it
deep into our thirties. Slide into late forties now, yes, slowly,
But you can go back and listen to all those
pre shows after shows with our wives, my ex wife
and Wolfe's ex wife. So it's all of our life changes,
that's right, all of our life changes throughout the years.
It's really weird to go back and listen because I
talk about like, oh, my kid's about to go to
kindergarten next year, and now she's you know in seventh grade.
Let's talk about CT getting married to his ex wife.
That's right, man, we've been Yeah, we've been to this
show for a while. Johnny cheating on multiple girlfriends, It's right.
We've watched sex tapes of these challenges. It's just been
a mess. Did I have hair then?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I did not, Ka, thank you. I lost my hair
in my twenties, like a real man does.
Speaker 3: Go back to our old episodes of Horror Chunk, which
we're on YouTube, to see what we both looked like
with hair.
Speaker 2: Twenty six, twenty seven. I think we were during those
those years. Oh man.
Speaker 3: Even then someone commented on our thinning hair and we
were like, yeah, we're gonna be bold soon.
Speaker 2: Let us enjoy our last few months. Please just fucking
back off.
Speaker 4: It's like I had enough hair for the both of
you guys.
Speaker 2: Oh, Zach, shut the fuck up. Zach, hear that hair?
Hair you ears?
Speaker 3: Kay says to buy a two pay? What experiences do
you have with two pays?
Speaker 2: Tim, My best buddy Shay had a two pay and uh,
it was awful.
Speaker 3: Definitely didn't give him shit about it.
Speaker 2: But Zach, I gotta I gotta ask you that I
don't mean to be insulting to you, but you're what
how tall are you?
Speaker 4: Five?
Speaker 3: Six seven?
Speaker 4: That? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Five six? Would you give up half your hair for
an extra four inches?
Speaker 4: Hmmm?
Speaker 2: Tough one, tough one.
Speaker 4: Like where am I losing it at? Like? Am I
losing the front of me again? Like a bowl?
Speaker 2: It's just like a general thinning, especially in the like
a like a balding guy, right, like a balding guy
me at age twenty eight, a little thin in the back,
receding hairline. Would you trade that for four inches? I'd
say no, No, fascinating.
Speaker 4: Here's my thing. I feel like there's two types of women.
There's the ones that don't care about your height. There's
the ones that do care about your heights, and the
ones that care about your height. I feel like it's,
you know, you gotta at least six to two or
above six two. I feel like that's kind of the
going rate. So I feel like at five to ten,
then still be like, yeah, you're still short, all right?
Speaker 2: All your hair, all your hair for six two a
traditional horseshoe, horseshoe you know, hairstyle to be two?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I would you do that?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Maybe you and I made that deal, uh pre
birth wolfee, we made that deal with the devil.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, you know, like maybe I could look
at bald and if not, then yeah, like I'll look
into wigs.
Speaker 2: And you'll be so tall women can't see your face clearly. Anyway.
That's how I get women. That's my that's my thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Zach would. I don't think Zach
would give that hair up for for four inches because
he can just buy socks with lifts on them, as
we've learned.
Speaker 2: That's right, but yeah, you need you need different technology
for eight inches, right right, That technology doesn't exist yet
at that point.
Speaker 3: He's just on.
Speaker 4: I mean I do have that one photo came at
the last well not the last Stars is that, but
one in may As walking around in boots that were
like eight inch lifts in them.
Speaker 2: And that was that was okay, felt okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like for the first five minutes I thought I
was gonna fall in my face, but then I got
used to that big of shoes.
Speaker 3: Found out the air stinner up here, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's doing that thing that like tall guys do,
where you got like in the the frame of a
door and you just like put your hands on top
of the frame and like lean forward.
Speaker 2: I don't do that.
Speaker 3: Do you do that?
Speaker 4: Will be?
Speaker 2: I should do that.
Speaker 4: We just take it.
Speaker 2: We just take it for that's like a short that's
like a short guy's version of a tall thing to do.
I've never done that, never done that. All right, We're
still on the uh Patreon stuff, right, I'm also making
this record. Hey, nobody's called into the voicemails, and you
guys should because I don't want to make any other
songs to fill out this record. So please call me
into a voicemail seven seven nine nine oh one O
seven three four seven seven nine nine oh one O
seven three four Yeah, Oh, join the discord, Join the discord.
You do that with the Patreon two?
Speaker 3: How much? How much space is left for you to
fill up?
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking to me. Oh oh,
like three more voices. Three more voicemails will be fine.
Three three more.
Speaker 4: But if we get more than three.
Speaker 2: Then those people don't get on the record. So call
in quickly.
Speaker 3: Tape the number of the chat room to people are
requesting it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did that last week too, and then nobody
fucking called still.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well if my faults. I was like, hey, give
me the number. I'll like send it to a bunch
of like cast, and then I went on vacation instead.
Speaker 2: Oh you dumb ass. All right, I'm typing it in.
Speaker 4: I'll send it to cast this week. So hopefully they
can all fit on, because that'd be bad if they
call in they're like, hey, why they make the final cut.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, we could just record something. It's
like ten minutes long. It's exclusive for the record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do something. We'll do something fun, but call
in and yeah, we'll figure out when we see how
many voicemails we get. It might not be many. That's it.
No reviews this week either.
Speaker 3: No, uh, well, let's just get to social media stuff.
What's the ct social media bullshit you've been talking?
Speaker 2: I think we sort of wrapped it up. Yes, he's
you know, he's been spinning out a little bit. He was, well,
he did the only fans, right, he got the he
got the very public blowjob.
Speaker 3: Oh is that what it was?
Speaker 2: And then he was posting some weird shit about DM
all over his Instagram stories. And then he did that yeah,
that long lovey dovey thing about his new girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Kay mentions Laurel is also spinning out
on Twitter. That's been fun to watch. Uh yeah, talk
about that.
Speaker 4: Too, Laurels. Since spinning, we got a couple of people
that were going crazy on Twitter this week.
Speaker 2: Doude tell let's hear all right, let's let's find.
Speaker 4: With that said. So, I saw this was a post
on Twitter, but it comes from a podcast interview. But
Marie went on a podcast and was going off on
Devin for being a narcissist and just a horrible human being. Marie, Oh, Marie, Okay, yes,
Now all season long, Banana's ex Morgan who did that
one season, she's been calling him out on her podcast
and uh we uh we got some Twitter reactions from
the most recent uh she made a TikTok video talking
about Bananas and what her horrible boyfriend he was. Both
Bananas and THEO responded to it, Banana saying, give this
girl a break. Three years is a long time to
try to keep your life straight. THEO saying, I haven't
seen this girl for seven years. She's still talking about
this relationship.
Speaker 2: So you're defending. You're coming in on the defending Bananas train.
Speaker 3: Of this.
Speaker 2: Situation, I mean always, do you think Bananas has never
cheated on a girlfriend?
Speaker 4: I think he asked, so this is something we could
talk about from laughing, because this is I missed this
when I was down. So Morgan put out a video
talking about you know how to know when you're dating
a narcissist, and she's not a story about Bananas at
her birthday and how she had this beautiful balloon set
up and like she's so proud of it, and Bananas
came in and destroyed it all and like just popped
all her balloons. Banana's responded the next day with a
video from her birthday of her with a flamethrower burning
her own balloons down, and he's like, yeah, yeah, I
didn't do that. Here's the video of her doing it
to her own balloons. So I do think Banana's perfect, No,
But I think I think both of them are probably
spreading some mysterrus.
Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the takeaway, right, they're both shitty.
Speaker 3: He said the record straight. He's nothing but an angel.
Speaker 4: I mean he has angels. So then we have another
one where Rachel and Devin got into a huge fight
on Twitter. This after this episode, Devin was really offended
that on the bus when Banana started going off on Michelle.
The Rachel was shown kind of laughing at his jokes about, oh,
you know, you back women to a corner, they get
caddy and bitchy, and so Devin started going after Rachel.
Rachel fought back, and Beth of all people, jumped in
to go after Rachel, being like, you know, twenty years later,
Rachel still just a mean girl picking on the pretty people.
Speaker 2: Beth has to give it up. Man, what's Beth doing
just like in her early fifties or.
Speaker 4: Something something like that.
Speaker 2: Come on, Beth, what the fuck? It's weird?
Speaker 4: I think that might be it for the Twitter drama.
Then some other news we got earlier.
Speaker 2: Hang on, we didn't talk about Laurel on the Twitter drama.
Speaker 4: Well we did. Yeah, So Laurel's been going on. Laurel's
fighting with every cast member. I mean, everyone's going after Laurel.
I don't even know where to start with that.
Speaker 2: She's spinning out, dude, Like there's you can always tell
when the cast members losing it because there's mega threads
on the MTV Challenge subreddit and there's all sorts of
mega threads about Laurel, and it breaks it down like
Laurel versus Hirascio, Laurel versus Tina, Laurel versus Nourice, Laura
versus you know, all of these people. Just in the
last couple of days. It really seems like she's spinning,
like something's wrong here, like she's losing it.
Speaker 4: It seems like it started once she got purged out
and kind of quit, like people started going after her
and it's just she's fighting back and yeah, just all
it's basically Laurel versus the entire cast.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, it's a very it's very unusual. It seems
very uh yeah, it seems very strange.
Speaker 4: Even Banana's on his podcast, you know, he didn't know
until the episode air that she gave him a one
in Karma and he's like, He's like, I've been her
biggest defender this whole season. This is how she like
repays me, like screw her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Laurel's horrible. I've said that for forever.
She still is and this is just all more evidence
of that. Yeah, but it does seem like the base
of it, and Zach feel free to disagree. It seems
like the base of it is Nourice and Herassio versus Laurel.
That Laurel has been sort of having to defend her
connection with Rassio and Rossio has been sort of weird
about how deep that relationship was. I don't know, do
you see that connection mostly being what's what's spurring all this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like, yeah that early on, you know
something I don't even know what spread has acted, but yeah,
that there were some issues with you know, Nourice having
feelings towards his relationship with Laurel, and Laurel brought up
an old tweet from him being like where he said, oh,
you know, Laurel's the greatest thing I've ever seend from
the show, and then he had to make a response
fit of that being like, you know, Nourice is currently
the best thing this show has ever brought me, and
then Laurel trying to be like, well, you know, I
you know, if I had given him a shot, you
have been with me and not you, And yeah, it
just seemed like a spun out from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so that's Laurel go nuts.
Speaker 4: So we'll also talk about some other Laurel newssistance were
on the topic of her. Ryan was doing a like
an ask me anything earlier this week, and apparently Laurel
was trying to hook up with Josh on this season,
but Josh and go for it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's weird. It was with Laurel. Why does Laurel
pick the worst dudes? Remember she poke up with Bear too,
Remember that.
Speaker 3: Guys, I do, I don't. I tried to forget Bear
as much as sponsible Wolfe.
Speaker 2: They did the toes thing where they they like they
like Remember the every every other toe thing that they did.
It was fucking weird. It was weird. Remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, earlier this week, Sylvia got married and we
had all the lavender ladies including Shane at the wedding.
Speaker 2: Cute. Ye sick of Sylvia and she pretended to be
a stepmom during that one season. Remember that when she
brought that kid's homework to the house to shame him
on television about homework. Come on, dude, you prepared that
you brought that from home to shame this kid on TV? Gross?
She didn't like that. I'm not like that.
Speaker 4: We got series of announcements this week of challengers of
carying on other shows. Anyone that's been watching House of Villains.
You know knew this was coming, but uh, Worst Cooks
in America has released their cast for the next season
and Wes is on it.
Speaker 2: Nice, so.
Speaker 4: They just started the most current season recent season has
started airing of Exultant Germany, which features both Norm and Turbo. Uh,
and they put a picture together saying we're gonna kill
this show. After that, we're coming for the challenge.
Speaker 2: So done with both of those guys. Don't need to
see either of those guys again.
Speaker 4: I don't need to see him again. I will never
turn down Turbo. He is so crazy. I just love Trauma.
Speaker 3: I don't need him after seeing him on the show
last time.
Speaker 4: I need to know which one of these newer kids
are pussy chickens. And then the other announcement we got
that is earlier this week Devin filmed an episode of Ridiculousness.
Speaker 2: I saw that. Yeah, it's another thing I will never watch.
Speaker 4: Never Yes. And then the last thing I got. If
you remember earlier this season, West was on Binance Podcast
and they built up this major reality TV mind blowing
moment the Wes was gonna pull on House the Villains,
and we've had that moment happen this past week. Now,
basically it wasn't as impressive as that they built up
to be. But before the season, Wes created a fake
idol and a fake note at home and brought it
onto the show with him, basically like an immunity idol
similar to kind of like the ones you get on Survivor.
And his number one rival on the show this week
won power and was going to nominate him, and he
used this idol to air his rival out of putting
him up because his rival is afraid that you know,
he was just gonna save himself and so, uh yeah,
Wes was dead man walking this week and this this
fake idol saved him.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Wes did something good for you.
Speaker 4: Good sound Yeah. I mean I don't think that's gonna change.
It would be the biggest thing in reality TV in decades,
like they built it up to be. But I mean
I think it was smart of him to, uh, you know,
bring that in and make a fake advantage.
Speaker 2: Did you just compliment Wes?
Speaker 4: I am I am pro Wes ever since he realized,
you know, bananas is the light in the way and
teamed up with him.
Speaker 2: All right, I got nothing else I and no other questions.
Speaker 3: Tim, would you go on ridiculousness totally?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but I wouldn't watch the episode that
I did, you know.
Speaker 3: Challenged podcast Big Uncles Tea.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Chanelle West Coast.
Speaker 3: She's not out of it anymore.
Speaker 2: No fuck?
Speaker 3: Who is there?
Speaker 2: Is it just him? Who's the other? Is there any
other people on the Show's him?
Speaker 3: Steel O Brimm and some other check. They brought in.
Speaker 2: Stella the funny black dude. Yeah, I like him. He's funny.
Speaker 4: Did I ever tell you, guys there's a video of
me when I was a kid on America's Funnyest Home Videos?
Speaker 2: No ship is there? Really?
Speaker 4: Yes, Zach?
Speaker 3: In the audience, you were you just now saying this
because America's Play Some Videos is one of Tim's favorite
TV shows. And I'm not even like making a joke.
Speaker 2: I fucking love av I probably know this episode, Zach,
when were you on the show?
Speaker 4: I will have to time figure out, like my mom
or her actually give me an exact day, but just
made as un like really love. I'm gonna guess I
was like seven or eight and uh, my mom's longtime
boyfriend at the time, Scott just started like, you know,
we were rustling around in the living room and he
like grabbed me by the arms and just started like
spinning me in circles around the living room and just asked,
he s faming you just see my pants start to
like slowly drift fly off.
Speaker 2: Was it a Bob Saget episode?
Speaker 4: I believe. I believe that was back when Bob was
still hosting.
Speaker 2: Oh my Gosh Classic. All right, we gotta find it.
We kinda find Zacubanadas losing his pants as a as
a young child.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: So we gotta see if we can find that home
video somewhere and resubmit it for ridiculous.
Speaker 3: This is what we need to do. We need to
we need to find the video. Meets Tim, should not
meet Tim mccarlan, should not watch it. We need to
find the video and we need to film us doing
a reaction video for Patreons.
Speaker 2: Yes, we get to ask, absolutely, let's do it often.
Speaker 4: Message Scott be like, do you still have all those
home video we made like forty years ago, thirty five
years ago.
Speaker 3: No, we have to find the clip. We have to
figure out what Bob Saget said over top of it
I'm sure it was hilarious.
Speaker 2: Do you do a little cartoon voice? Oh no, there
was my pants. This is the fucking shit he used
to do. It's great, Zach. I need to see this now.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I have never seen it again
since then. I'm sure maybe it's somewhere online, but.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to start coming through all the bob saget.
Speaker 3: Oh man, we lost a bunch of people in the
chat room for the summer and play some videos chat.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I can't wait to see Zachi's little little
boy butt. He says, pants he didn't say, is out
the word? Oh we run a Wrapsach.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: You don't remember if the world has been exposed to
your butt? Oh man, I remember that.
Speaker 4: I the world. Well, I guess the world's not expos
but but I've I've gone bottomless a lot in public,
so some of the world husbands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the TV is what makes it interesting, right, Yeah? Yeah,
we do all sorts of shipping out on TV.
Speaker 3: All right, Are we talking about fantasy leagues or some bullshit?
I don't know. I don't even play anymore.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Wolfy fucking get on it. Dude, figure it out.
I'm not gonna do as much as Carlin does, but
I will bring up the public league and say that
number one is still c T phone home. Number two.
Is I touched on his banana? I'm number Oh wait,
now I'm on the wrong league. Sorry, hang on, let
me get the right one. I lost the point this week, guys.
I just gotta say that, I know, devastating you guys
still suck. I'm at number eight. CT phone Home is
number one, Carlin, our own Carlin is number two, and
I touched Johnny's banana. Number three. I'm number eight. Zach
Do you know where you are now?
Speaker 4: Because IVEN checked us since the scores came out.
Speaker 2: Wolfee, you're thirty one, so you seek Zachie, you're seventeen,
all right, moving up?
Speaker 4: I think I was like in the mid twenties before
this week.
Speaker 2: So yeah, dude, yeah, you had a good week. All right.
Well that's it. Carlin tried to change the rules, guys.
Just so you know, Carlin tried to change the rules
this league, and me and Zachi shut that shit down.
Speaker 4: So I do have the league. The host league scores here,
including I was in here last week to announce it,
but the owner of the app did move Kyland Corey,
and I think as Michelle over to Tim's team for me.
Speaker 2: Yep, thanks Peter. And by the way, I said it
last week, Zach, bad call, give me Kyland because I
think Kyland is a threat to win the whole thing.
Bad call.
Speaker 4: I don't get that thing about just giving away my
entire team, because I'm like myself had even if you
have my entire team. But uh, in fourth place we
have with eighty seven points. Uh big uncle sweet tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks?
Speaker 4: What in third place with one hundred and four points
is Wolfy and second with one hundred and eight points
is Carlin and I'm still quite a bit always ahead
with one hundred and ninety six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach, you fucking asshole.
Speaker 4: So I mean I could try to send you a
I think, well, I'm doing to two now only I
only have Jenny and Jordan left.
Speaker 2: So I think, wait, I'm already forgotten. So on your rankings,
you're number one. Who's number two? Is it wolf or Carlin?
Speaker 4: Carlin then Wolfie?
Speaker 2: So we are. Yeah, we've we'ved from the the real
TV Fantasy League numbers. But I'm fourth no matter why?
Who cares, but yeah, no I do.
Speaker 4: I think Kyland has a good chance to win. Say
Corey and Michelle, I think they have a chance to win.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's great, but no, I don't
think either of those two have a chance. But Kyland
I think does. So we'll just have to see how
it goes.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I gave you half my team and then
I lost. Was Josh and uh someone else? Back to back?
Speaker 2: Cry me a river?
Speaker 4: Oh, Olivia, Olivia and Josh back to back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, have there ever anything else? No, we do,
we do want to mention. Uh, there is no challenge
next week according to uh DVRs. Looks like the next
episode is going to air on December fourth, so we
are not going to do a show next week and
it's Thanksgiving anyway, that was gonna deterrist but you know whatever.
So he seems like we used to shit on holidays.
Remember when people call us from their holiday parties.
Speaker 2: I do, and I would still do it, but yeah,
it seems like MTV has abandoned us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, anything else we got to mention? Trying
to even remember, like there's something else that's gonna I
was going to make sure to mention forgot what it was.
Speaker 4: No, no matter.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I guess for this episode of the
Challenge or for Challenge or whatever you know, big o
listening to I've been Brian and as Josh said, you've
been in.
Speaker 4: Angel for me.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Charlie, Charlie, God, Chalie and Schalie on Charlie hang Out
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Speaker 4: Hm