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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're gonna dive into Brian Kohberger's motion to

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<v Speaker 1>dismiss the indictment. And this is a pretty long document,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna go through it and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see what kind of headway we can make before I

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<v Speaker 1>decide if I'm gonna split it into two episodes or not.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's dive in and let's all be surprised together

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<v Speaker 1>with what we find. Case number c R twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>DASH twenty two DASH zero zero zero two eight zero five.

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<v Speaker 1>Motion to dismiss indictment on grounds of error in grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury instructions or in the alternative remand for preliminary hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>State of Idaho. Plaintiff versus Brian C. Coburger. The defendant

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<v Speaker 1>comes now Brian C. Coberger buy and, through their attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Weston Logsden, Chief Deputy of Litigation, and hereby moves

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<v Speaker 1>this Honorable Court for an order either dismissing the indictment

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<v Speaker 1>in this matter, or to treat it as a presentment

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<v Speaker 1>and remand for a preliminary hearing before a magistrate. This

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<v Speaker 1>motion is made on the grounds that the grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>was misled as to the standard of proof required for

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<v Speaker 1>an indictment. Issues number one. The Idaho Constitution Article one,

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<v Speaker 1>Section eight and I see Section nineteen Dash eleven oh

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<v Speaker 1>seven set the standard of proof for a grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>at beyond a reasonable doubt based on the plain language

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<v Speaker 1>of the statute. A. The legislative history of I dot

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<v Speaker 1>c nineteen Dash eleven O seven also supports a beyond

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<v Speaker 1>a reasonable doubt standard. B. The Idaho Supreme Court cannot

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<v Speaker 1>adjust the standard of proof as it is substantive. Right two.

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<v Speaker 1>The failure to properly instruct a grand jury as to

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<v Speaker 1>the standard of proof is grounds for a dismissal of

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<v Speaker 1>the indictment. A. The grand jury was erroneously instructed with

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<v Speaker 1>the standard required for a presentment. Thus this court could

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<v Speaker 1>treat the indictment as a presentment. The argument one. The

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho Constitution Article one, Section eight and I dot C

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<v Speaker 1>Section nineteen Dash eleven oh seven set the standard of

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<v Speaker 1>proof for a grand jury at beyond a reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Pursuant to I dot se Section nineteen Dash eleven oh seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jury ought to find an indictment when all

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence before them taken together. If unexplained or uncontradicted

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<v Speaker 1>would in their judgment, weren't a conviction by a trial jury.

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<v Speaker 1>The statute was in existence at the time the Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>cons Institution was adopted Idaho Revised Statute Section seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six, eighteen eighty seven, previously Criminal Practice Section two

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<v Speaker 1>eight eighteen sixty four. When construing the Idaho Constitution, the

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<v Speaker 1>primary object is to determine the intent of the framers

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<v Speaker 1>State vers Clark, one sixty five, Idaho, three ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>three ninety seven, twenty nineteen. Provisions of the Idaho Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>must be construed in light of the law prior to

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<v Speaker 1>their adoption. State versus Green, one fifty eight Idaho eight

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four, eight eighty seven, twenty fifteen. Even Idaho's Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>reflects this view. Idaho Constitution, Article twenty one, Section two.

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<v Speaker 1>All laws now in force in the territory of Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>which are not repugnant to this Constitution shall remain in force.

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<v Speaker 1>In Clark, our Supreme Court found the state sta in

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<v Speaker 1>force at the time our Constitution was ratified to be

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<v Speaker 1>controlling in its interpretation of Article one, Section seventeen. Clark

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<v Speaker 1>one sixty five Idaho three ninety three. In State versus Matthews,

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<v Speaker 1>one twenty nine, Idaho eight sixty five, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the Court considered the issue of whether search warrants needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be signed in order to be valid. The Court

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<v Speaker 1>found that warrants do need to be signed, or else

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<v Speaker 1>the search pursuant to such a warrant will violate Article one,

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<v Speaker 1>Section seventeen of the Constitution. The court arrived at this

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion despite the fact that Article one seventeen is completely

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<v Speaker 1>silent regarding whether a warrant needs a signature. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>the Court was able to find the constitutional violation in

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<v Speaker 1>this case was by acknowledging that the statutes which require

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<v Speaker 1>a signature I dot c. Section nineteen forty four oh one,

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<v Speaker 1>forty four her sive six, and forty four oh seven

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<v Speaker 1>pre date the Constitution of the State of Idaho Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>at eight sixty nine. Because these statutes which require a

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<v Speaker 1>signature on warrants predated the Idaho Constitution, they create a

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<v Speaker 1>substantive right which existed prior to the adoption of this

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<v Speaker 1>state's constitution. In State verse Rasch, nineteen ninety nine, Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>five eighty six, nineteen seventy eight, the Supreme Court found

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<v Speaker 1>a defendant was entitled to constitutional relief for a violation

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<v Speaker 1>of I dot C. Section nineteen six eleven Knock and announce,

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<v Speaker 1>after finding the rights contained in the statute were long

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<v Speaker 1>standing at common law and deeply rooted in our heritage

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<v Speaker 1>Rausch at five ninety three. The Rausch Court was able

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<v Speaker 1>to trace this deeply rooted heritage all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to sixteen oh three. Thus, whatever this language means, it

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<v Speaker 1>must color this Court's interpretation of Article I, Section eight.

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<v Speaker 1>That section states, no person shall be held to answer

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<v Speaker 1>for any felony or criminal offense of any grade, unless

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<v Speaker 1>on presentment or indictment of a grand jury, or on

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<v Speaker 1>information of the public prosecutor after a commitment by a magistrate,

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<v Speaker 1>except in cases of impeachment, in cases cognizable by probate

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<v Speaker 1>courts or by justices of the peace, and in cases

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<v Speaker 1>arising in the militia, when in actual service, in time

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<v Speaker 1>of war or a public danger, provided that a grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury may be summoned upon the order of the district

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<v Speaker 1>Court in the manner provided by law, and provided further

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<v Speaker 1>that after a charge has been ignored by a grand jury,

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<v Speaker 1>no person shall be held to answer or for trial

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<v Speaker 1>therefore upon information of public prosecutor, if it were not

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<v Speaker 1>clear from the text of Article I, Section eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>the framer's general intent behind the section was to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>that either a grand jury or a magistrate stood between

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor and the accused. See Proceedings and Deaths of

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitutional Convention of Idaho eighteen eighty nine, Volume one,

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<v Speaker 1>two sixty Dash seventy nine I. W. Hart Educational, nineteen twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Here andafter preceding and debates. Thus, it stands to reason

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<v Speaker 1>that the standard of proof and effect at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the adoption of the section was incorporated into it.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be rather ineffective to create a buffer between

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<v Speaker 1>the government and citizens that the government could change willy nilly. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that does not provide much information as to what standard

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<v Speaker 1>would warrant a conviction by a trial jury actually means.

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<v Speaker 1>The interpretation of a statute must begin with the literal

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<v Speaker 1>words of the statute. Those words must be given their plane, usual,

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<v Speaker 1>u and ordinary meaning, and the statute must be construed

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole. If the statute is not ambiguous, this

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<v Speaker 1>court does not construe it, but simply follows the law

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<v Speaker 1>as written. State versus Schwartz one thirty nine Idaho three

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three, sixty two seventy nine, page three D seven,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seven, twenty one, two thousand and three citations omitted.

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<v Speaker 1>We have consistently held that where statutory language is unambiguous,

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<v Speaker 1>legislative history and other extrinsic evidence should not be consulted

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<v Speaker 1>for the purpose of altering the clearly expressed intent of

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<v Speaker 1>the legislature. City of Sun Valley versus Sun Valley one

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, Idaho six sixty five, six sixty seven, eight

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one, page two D nine sixty one nine sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three. Verska versus Saint Alphonsis Regional Medical Center

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<v Speaker 1>one one fifty one, Idaho eight eighty nine, eight ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven. The plain text of the Idaho Code nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>Dash eleven oh seven sets a standard of proof that

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<v Speaker 1>would warrant a conviction at trial. The justification for a

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<v Speaker 1>conviction at trial is and was, proof beyond a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>doubt I dot ce Section nineteen Dash twenty one oh four,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two Idaho Revised Statute Section seven eight five

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<v Speaker 1>eight eighteen eighty seven. If that were not enough, i

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<v Speaker 1>dot Se Section nineteen Dash eleven oh seven is one

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<v Speaker 1>of many laws that were adopted in eighteen sixty three

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen sixty four, copied verbatim from laws adopted in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty one in the state of California. See State

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<v Speaker 1>versus Edmondson one thirteen, Idaho two thirty two forty four

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty nine, nineteen eighty seven Bistline j Dissenting, the

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho Supreme Court has held. This Court has consistently held

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<v Speaker 1>that a statute which is adopted from another jurisdiction will

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<v Speaker 1>be presumed to be adopted with a prior construction placed

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<v Speaker 1>upon it by the courts of such other jurisdictions. Odinwalt

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<v Speaker 1>versus Zering one oh two, Idaho one five, nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>citing Nixon versus Triber one hundred, Idaho one ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred, nineteen seventy nine. State versus Miles ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho three ninety six, nineteen seventy six, Dogget versus Electronics

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<v Speaker 1>Corporation of America ninety three, Idaho twenty six, nineteen sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>In People versus Tinder and Smith nineteen, California five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>nine five forty one eighteen sixty two, the defendants were

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<v Speaker 1>indicted for murder and arrested. They applied for bell, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were denied. On A. Hay Babea's petition challenging the

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<v Speaker 1>denial of bell, the California Court took time to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the legal standard required for the finding of an indictment

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho at five pin forty three. The court found formally,

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<v Speaker 1>an indictment was regarded as a mere accusation, which the

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury ought to find if probable cause evidence were

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<v Speaker 1>adduced in its support. But great authorities, says Chitty, have

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<v Speaker 1>taken a more merciful view of the subject, and, considering

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers of perjury, the anxiety of delay, and the

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<v Speaker 1>misery of a prison, have argued that the grand inquest

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<v Speaker 1>ought as far as the evidence before them goes, to

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<v Speaker 1>be convinced of the guilt of the defendant. What was

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<v Speaker 1>therefore anciently said, respecting petit treason may be applied to

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<v Speaker 1>all other offenses, that since it is preferred in the

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<v Speaker 1>absence of the prisoner, it ought to be supported by

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<v Speaker 1>substantial testimonies one Criminal Law three eighteen eighteen twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The more merciful view of the subject thus referred to

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<v Speaker 1>is secured by statute. In this state. The Criminal Practice

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<v Speaker 1>Act declares that the grand jury shall receive none but

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<v Speaker 1>legal evidence and the best evidence, in degree to the

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<v Speaker 1>exclusion of hearsay or secondary evidence Section two ten. And

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<v Speaker 1>though not bound to hear evidence for the defendant, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>that is their duty to weigh all the evidence submitted

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<v Speaker 1>to them, and when they have reason to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>other evidence within their reach will explain away the charge,

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<v Speaker 1>they should order such evidence to be produced Section two eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>And that they ought to find an indictment when all

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence before them, taken together, is such as in

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<v Speaker 1>their judgment, would if unexplained or uncontradicted, warrant a conviction

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<v Speaker 1>by the trial jury section two twelve, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>ought not to find an indictment when the evidence taken

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<v Speaker 1>to again other if unexplained or uncontradicted, would not warrant

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<v Speaker 1>such conviction. The indictment is then something more than a

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<v Speaker 1>mere accusation based upon probable cause. It is an accusation

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<v Speaker 1>based upon legal testimony of a direct and positive character,

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<v Speaker 1>and is the concurring judgment of at least twelve of

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jurors selected to inquire into all public offenses

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<v Speaker 1>committed or trialable within their county, that upon the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>presented to them, the defendant is guilty. Thus, the only

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<v Speaker 1>case on point from the time this statute was adopted

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<v Speaker 1>clearly states that the standard for finding an indictment is

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<v Speaker 1>higher than the probable cause standard. In addition, other jurisdictions

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<v Speaker 1>and legal treatises have recognized that the plain language amounts

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<v Speaker 1>to more than probable cause. See Bash Halsey, Stuart Shields, Incorporated.

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<v Speaker 1>First Tracy Collins, Bank and Trust Company, five point fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight F. Superior ten forty two, District of Utah, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three. State versus Lawler two twenty one, Wisconsin four

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty three two sixty seven N dot W sixty seven, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six. Y Kamisar w Lefayvre versus j. Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Modern Criminal Procedure ten twenty five, N. Ten twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>end dot nine, fifth Edition, nineteen eighty The defense does not,

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<v Speaker 1>by all this intend to bury the lead, but merely

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<v Speaker 1>show that under the usual approach to statutory interpretation, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no reasonable doubt as to what a grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>should be instructed that said, the defense recognizes that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole of modern jurisprudence on the issue is against it,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as at least one founding father of this state. A.

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<v Speaker 1>The legislative history of I dot Ce Section nineteen Dash

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<v Speaker 1>The history of this formulation shows that the abandonment of

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<v Speaker 1>Procedure of the State of New York. This is best

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<v Speaker 1>known as the New York Field Code and Criminal Procedure

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<v Speaker 1>hereinafter Field and Code. The Idaho Supreme Court and the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Supreme Court have acknowledged this state has retained

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<v Speaker 1>language from the Field Code in its procedural statutes. See

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<v Speaker 1>Gannett Company Incorporated. Versus Depascual four forty three US three

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight three ninety en Dot twenty three, nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>District of the State County of Cootney one eighteen IDAHOS

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<v Speaker 1>seven fifty three seven fifty seven nineteen ninety. To understand

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<v Speaker 1>why the Fueld Code broke with the common law, it

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<v Speaker 1>later half of the nineteenth century In England. The original

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<v Speaker 1>criminal proceedings Circon nine seventy eight began with a group

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<v Speaker 1>Jury George Edwards. The grand Jury considered from a historical,

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<v Speaker 1>political and legal standpoint, and the law and practice related

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<v Speaker 1>Thereto two through six nineteen oh six, hereinafter grand jury.

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<v Speaker 1>The alternative arrived with the Norman Conquest, in which the

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<v Speaker 1>accuser could raise the hue and cry, and, if successful,

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<v Speaker 1>trial by combat Idaho at six, twelve thirteen. The Assize

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<v Speaker 1>of Clarendon established for the first time in English history

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to break the law and be prosecuted by

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<v Speaker 1>the government. In eleven sixty six Idaho at seven. Even then,

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<v Speaker 1>for a prosecution raised in court, the twelve had to

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<v Speaker 1>shield against a government run a muck first came about

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<v Speaker 1>in sixteen eighty one in the cases of Stephen College

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<v Speaker 1>and the Earl of Shaftesbury for high treason Brent Tomer

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<v Speaker 1>ring around the grand jury informing jurors of the capital

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of aggravating factors seventeen Definition j sixty one, sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>For the years sixteen sixty through the year of eighteen hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>Betty found that the Surrey Grand Juries dismissed eleven and

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<v Speaker 1>a half percent of the bills of indictments for property

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<v Speaker 1>offenses punishable by death, and seven teen point three percent

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<v Speaker 1>of those brought for non capital property offenses, fourteen point

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five point eight percent for wounding, forty four point

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<v Speaker 1>four percent for rape. At the time of this country's founding,

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<v Speaker 1>colonialists had knowledge of this history and experience with the

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<v Speaker 1>power of grand juries to prevent government abuses, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as experience with what is known as a preliminary hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>More importantly, the colonies had experience with something that never

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<v Speaker 1>took hold in England local public prosecutors see Joan E.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacobi the American prosecutor in historical context the prosecutor in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven. While the development of the magistrate's power

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<v Speaker 1>to dismiss felonies after a prelim hearing in England is

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<v Speaker 1>mostly lost in America, a number of historical writings shed

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<v Speaker 1>light on what was known to those that adopted the constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>There are, however, a few known exceptions to English procedure.

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<v Speaker 1>In Massachusetts, the examination procedures seem to have permitted witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>to be questioned in the presence of the accused. The

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<v Speaker 1>than most colonies. Here, the justice, or more often the justices,

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<v Speaker 1>were formally permitted to dismiss charges when they became convinced

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<v Speaker 1>of the accused innocence. In Virginia County courts initially appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have examined arrested suspects to determine whether the accused

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<v Speaker 1>should be tried before the general court. In seventeen o five,

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<v Speaker 1>a new institution, the Examining Court, was introduced. After a

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<v Speaker 1>preliminary hearing before a Justice of the peace, the case

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<v Speaker 1>was sent to a special examining court, where the accused

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<v Speaker 1>was again questioned by several justices of the peace. Here

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<v Speaker 1>the accused was entitled to require the sharp to summon

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses on his behalf. Either the accused was released or

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<v Speaker 1>a trial jury. Stake's handbook indicated that this new institution

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<v Speaker 1>enlarged the means of coming at the truth of a

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<v Speaker 1>supposed fact and gave the accused a third opportunity of acquittal.

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<v Speaker 1>Such protections, designed for the liberty and quiet of the subject,

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<v Speaker 1>were not to be boasted in any other part of

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<v Speaker 1>the British dominion. All right, folks, we're going to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>up part one here considering how much further we still

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<v Speaker 1>there are twenty three pages. So we'll pick back up

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<v Speaker 1>in the next episode where we left off. All of

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<v Speaker 1>the information that goes with this episode can be found

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<v Speaker 1>in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the program. In this episode, we're gonna pick right

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<v Speaker 1>back up with the motion to dismiss the indictment paperwork

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<v Speaker 1>that was filed by Brian Coohberger's team Part two. The

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<v Speaker 1>failure to properly instruct a grand jury as to the

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<v Speaker 1>standard of proof is grounds for dismissal of the indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>Having shown that the jury was provided with a wrong

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<v Speaker 1>standard of proof, the next question is what is the remedy.

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<v Speaker 1>The Field Code adopted a somewhat complex interplay of statutes

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<v Speaker 1>permitting a defendant to challenge an indictment that Idaho maintains.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, Idaho Code nineteen sixteen oh one

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<v Speaker 1>provides grounds for setting aside indictment. The indictment must be

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<v Speaker 1>set aside by the court in which the defendant is

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<v Speaker 1>arraigned upon his motion in either of the following cases.

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<v Speaker 1>One when it is not found, endorsed and presented as

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<v Speaker 1>prescribed in this code. Two when the names of the

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses examined before the grand jury or whose depositions may

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<v Speaker 1>have been read before them, are not in at the

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<v Speaker 1>foot of the indictment or endorsed thereon. Three when a

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<v Speaker 1>person is permitted to present during the session of the

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury, and when the charge embraced in the indictment

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<v Speaker 1>is under consideration, except as provided in Chapter eleven of

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<v Speaker 1>this title. Number four, when the defendant has not been

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<v Speaker 1>held to answer before the finding of the indictment on

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<v Speaker 1>any ground which would have been good ground for challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>either to the panel or to any individual grandeur. Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>Code Section nineteen twenty four oh eight provides impertinent part.

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<v Speaker 1>A motion in arrest of judgment is an application on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the defendant that no judgment be rendered

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<v Speaker 1>on a plea or a verdict of guilty, or on

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<v Speaker 1>a verdict against the defendant on a plea of a

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<v Speaker 1>former conviction or acquittal. It may be founded on any

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<v Speaker 1>of the defects in the indictment that are grounds for demure,

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<v Speaker 1>unless the objection to the indictment has been waived by

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<v Speaker 1>a failure to demur, and must be made before or

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<v Speaker 1>at the time the defendant is called for judgment. Neither

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<v Speaker 1>of these statutes was intended to create a mechanism for

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<v Speaker 1>challenging the instructions given to the jury. The Court of

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<v Speaker 1>Appeals of New York found as much, but concluded that

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<v Speaker 1>defendants could still move to quash a warrant where the

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<v Speaker 1>proceedings intrude on their constitutional rights. See People Versus Glenn

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six, any one, twelve one, fourteen, and fifteen New York,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh three. The court then found that a showing

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<v Speaker 1>that an instruction was prejudicial may require an indictment to

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<v Speaker 1>be quashed. Idaho Supreme Court had adopted this holding see Gasper,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, Idaho. At three ninety six. So what prejudice

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<v Speaker 1>results from telling a jury the wrong standard? Typically, courts

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<v Speaker 1>give the jury a standard, and it is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>follow it, even where attorneys may misstate that standard in

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<v Speaker 1>their arguments. See Glenn sixty six and dot E at

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<v Speaker 1>one fifteen, finding no prejudice from defective instruction in part

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<v Speaker 1>because jury previously told proper standard. Unfortunately, that did not

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<v Speaker 1>happen here. When a jury has been misled as to

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<v Speaker 1>the standard to the defendant's detriment, courts find fundamental error

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<v Speaker 1>because the error goes to the foundation of the case

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<v Speaker 1>and takes away an essential right. See State versus Ericson

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<v Speaker 1>one forty eight Idaho, six seventy nine, six eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>Appeals Court twenty ten, citing State versus Rattlebaugh one twenty four, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven fifty eight seven sixty nine, nineteen ninety three. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jury in this matter was only informed of

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<v Speaker 1>the improper standard, it was a fundamental error necessarily depriving

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<v Speaker 1>mister Coleberger of an essential right. Fundamental error necessitates reversal or,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, dismissal of the indictment. Sullivan versus Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 1>five oh eight US two seventy five two eighty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three, Part A. The grand jury was erroneously instructed

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<v Speaker 1>with the standard required for a presentment. Thus this court

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<v Speaker 1>could treat the indictment as a presentment. There is one

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<v Speaker 1>final wrinkle in this error that is worth considering. As

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned above, there is an Idaho a thing called a presentment.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not appear from the authorities in Idaho that

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is well understood. However, in the words of

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<v Speaker 1>one justice, it is the only sort of accusation any

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury in Idaho has ever produced. Edmondson one thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho at two forty two Bistline Jade, dissenting for the

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<v Speaker 1>information of the Court and the bar. A presentment is

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<v Speaker 1>what are united, says State Supreme Court would call a

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<v Speaker 1>term of art Us versus Hanson, Supreme Court, twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>w L. Forty one thirty eight nine to ninety four

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<v Speaker 1>at five end date twenty twenty three. Thus although it

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<v Speaker 1>never receives definition in the Code, it has a definition

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<v Speaker 1>that comes to us from the Field Code. The Field

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<v Speaker 1>Commission explains the Commissioners have proposed two modes of proceeding

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<v Speaker 1>upon the action of the grand jury. First that, where

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<v Speaker 1>the defendant has been held to answer the charge and

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<v Speaker 1>in no other case, the grand jury may, if they

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<v Speaker 1>believe him guilty, find an indictment against them. Second that, if,

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<v Speaker 1>upon investigation of a charge against him, whether originated by

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<v Speaker 1>of a public offense, they must proceed by presentment. The

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<v Speaker 1>presentment is an informal statement by the grand jury representing

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<v Speaker 1>that a public offense has been committed which is triable

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<v Speaker 1>within the county, and that there is reasonable ground for

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<v Speaker 1>believing the defendant has committed it Section two fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>and to fifty seven. Upon the former, he is of

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<v Speaker 1>he is only to be held for examination before a magistrate,

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<v Speaker 1>in the same manner as if and information had been

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<v Speaker 1>the same opportunity for explanation or defense. These provisions, though

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<v Speaker 1>new in practice, are in principle no innovations. In the

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<v Speaker 1>Criminal Code recently adopted in Virginia, similar provision is contained

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<v Speaker 1>Laws of Virginia eighteen forty eight, Page one forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Section sixteen, and it may be safely asserted that the

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<v Speaker 1>principle contained in them is in consonance with the common

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<v Speaker 1>law itself. In a late case in Pennsylvania, the office

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<v Speaker 1>be confined to the examination of such cases as were

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<v Speaker 1>presented by the Attorney General after previous binding over by

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<v Speaker 1>a committing magistrate. This doctrine was held in a case

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<v Speaker 1>where a communication had been received from the grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>stating that charges had been made by one of their

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<v Speaker 1>number to the effect that one or more members of

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<v Speaker 1>furnished to them to enable them to examine the charge.

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<v Speaker 1>The spirit of the rule is embodied and carried out

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<v Speaker 1>hasty and ill advised accusations by giving to the defendant

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, he is to be committed or belled upon

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<v Speaker 1>the presentment in precisely the same manner as upon an indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>In this manner, the rights of the defendant are protected

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<v Speaker 1>and the demands of public justice are abundantly answered. Fuel

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<v Speaker 1>Code at one nineteen and one twenty. Note the presentment

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<v Speaker 1>originates within the grand jury, requires a lower standard of

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<v Speaker 1>proof and requires a preliminary hearing because of it. Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>A presentment permits the defendant to request a prelim hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Pursuant to I dot Se nineteen twelve oh seven, a

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<v Speaker 1>magistrate is to proceed on a presentment as if it

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<v Speaker 1>were an information. At first glance, this likely appears to

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<v Speaker 1>undo much of what has come before four. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>if a presentment is an information, then it already has

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<v Speaker 1>had a preliminary hearing. However, history being what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>things are not so simple. In eighteen eighty seven, when

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<v Speaker 1>the revived statutes were adopted, an information was the same

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<v Speaker 1>as a complaint. C Revived Statute RS Section seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seventy three, eighty one, seventy five, Zho nine Dash

435
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<v Speaker 1>thirty two, eighteen eighty seven. See also State versus Stafford

436
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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, Idaho three eighty one one forty three, page five,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, five thirty, nineteen fourteen. An information or a

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<v Speaker 1>complaint is a paper charging a defendant with a particular offense,

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<v Speaker 1>and it matters not whether it is called an information

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<v Speaker 1>or a complaint. Once arrested on an information, a defendant

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<v Speaker 1>has a preliminary hearing, referred to at the time as

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<v Speaker 1>an examination. C Revived Statute RS Section seventy five, twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, seventy. It was not until the code was revised,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not for the first time in nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>that the terms became truly separate see SL nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter seventy nine, Section one. Additionally, even in eighteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the word complaint was solely used in the code when

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<v Speaker 1>discussing misdemeanors. While an information or complaint referred to a

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<v Speaker 1>felony at least in magistrate court. Compare a revised Statute

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<v Speaker 1>Section seventy five thirty one with Revised Statute Section eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two eighty eighteen eighty seven. Thus, the question becomes, did

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<v Speaker 1>the legislature change Chapter five and leave Chapter twelve alone

453
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<v Speaker 1>to purposely turn a presentment into an indictment? The answer

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly nu. Although the purpose of the individual Bill

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<v Speaker 1>seems lost to posterity, the nineteen sixty six Court Modernization

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<v Speaker 1>Plan and the nineteen sixty nine court reforms are still extant.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty six, the legislature wanted a modern court system.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Part of that plan was to do away with justices

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<v Speaker 1>of the peace, police courts and probate courts and have

460
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<v Speaker 1>a two tier trial court system. According to the Committee

461
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<v Speaker 1>on Court Study, the intention was district courts and magistrates.

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<v Speaker 1>The third major area of concern of the Committee on

463
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<v Speaker 1>the Courts and the Advisory Committee was to provide for

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<v Speaker 1>a two level system of courts in Idaho. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of the preliminary report. It encompasses proposals that

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<v Speaker 1>some may consider a radical break with tradition. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>Committee on Courts and the Advisory Committee feel that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a logical step that must be taken to put

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<v Speaker 1>into effect the clearly expressed wishes of Idaho voters when

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<v Speaker 1>they adopted a constitutional amendment in nineteen sixty two to

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<v Speaker 1>provide for a unified and integrated judicial system. The proposals

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<v Speaker 1>contained in this section of the preliminary Report have been

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<v Speaker 1>prepared in separate sections for easier study. This section includes

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<v Speaker 1>proposals to abolish the present probate justice of the peace

475
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<v Speaker 1>and police courts, to create a system of district court

476
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<v Speaker 1>magistrates appointed by district judges, to define more clearly the

477
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<v Speaker 1>duties and authority in administrative matters of the senior district judge,

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<v Speaker 1>to re enact provisions for a small claims department of

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<v Speaker 1>the magistrate's division, and to change the method of paying

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<v Speaker 1>for the costs of jury trials in the district court

481
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<v Speaker 1>from the county to the state. That plan never mentions

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<v Speaker 1>the intention to make it clear that complaints and informations

483
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<v Speaker 1>are separate, but it does mention that the Colorado system

484
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<v Speaker 1>does at seven. In nineteen sixty nine, much of the

485
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<v Speaker 1>court reform recommended was made into law generally Idaho's Session

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<v Speaker 1>Laws nineteen sixty nine at fourteen fifty nine and sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the purpose of Bill seventy nine is not in

488
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<v Speaker 1>the Session Laws, its title in the index is Complaint Definition, Contents,

489
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<v Speaker 1>transmission delivery, as well as complaint Examination of Person lodging

490
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<v Speaker 1>Idaho Code at fourteen sixty one. Additionally, the legislature amended

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<v Speaker 1>much of Chapter eight via s dot l nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter four sixty seven to create the modern preliminary hearing

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<v Speaker 1>replete with new references to the complaint. No laws were

494
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<v Speaker 1>passed affecting functioning of the grand jury since nineteen sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The legislature made various adjustments to criminal procedure. However, not

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<v Speaker 1>one law pertaining to a presentment has been passed since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineteen see Idaho nineteen nineteen, Section eighty eight oh two,

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<v Speaker 1>Dash zero eight. For these reasons, it is clear that

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<v Speaker 1>I dot se Section nineteen twelve oh seven still intends

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<v Speaker 1>for a presentment to be treated as we would now

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<v Speaker 1>treat a complaint containing a felony. Thus, if this court

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<v Speaker 1>sees fit, it could simply remand the matter to a

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<v Speaker 1>magistrate for the necessary prelim hearing, rather than going through

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<v Speaker 1>a dismissal and having to determine whether the matter may

505
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<v Speaker 1>be resubmitted to the grand jury conclusion. Over one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty years ago, Idaho joined the state of California

507
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<v Speaker 1>and adopting the Field Code, thereby adopting reforms to the

508
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<v Speaker 1>grand jury system intended to restore to that system its

509
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<v Speaker 1>function as a bulwark for freedom. The strange history that

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<v Speaker 1>follows in this state, just as every other state with

511
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<v Speaker 1>the same statutory scheme, is both tragic and unconstitutional. No

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00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:50.119
<v Speaker 1>court had the power to decide that legislature had made

513
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<v Speaker 1>it too hard for grand juries to do their work

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<v Speaker 1>and change the sufficiency of evidence required to indict. Mister

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<v Speaker 1>Koberger is asking this court to recognize the law long

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<v Speaker 1>string of error that led us here and give back

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<v Speaker 1>the people of this state the protections they are owed.

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<v Speaker 1>The indictment in the matter should be dismissed or remanded

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<v Speaker 1>for a prelim hearing. Dated this twenty fourth day of

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<v Speaker 1>July twenty twenty three and signed by Jay Weston Logsden.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, That concludes our look at Brian Kohberger's

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<v Speaker 1>motion to dismiss the grand jury indictment. All of the

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<v Speaker 1>information that goes along with it can be found in

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<v Speaker 1>the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the program. In this episode, we're going to pick right

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<v Speaker 1>back up with the motion to dismiss the indictment paperwork

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<v Speaker 1>that was filed by Brian Colberger's team, Part two. The

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<v Speaker 1>failure to properly instruct a grand jury as to the

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<v Speaker 1>standard of proof is grounds for dismissal of the indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>Having shown that the jury was provided with a wrong

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<v Speaker 1>standard of proof, the next question is what is the remedy.

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<v Speaker 1>The Field Code adopted a somewhat complex interplay of statutes

533
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<v Speaker 1>permitting a defendant to challenge an indictment that Idaho maintains.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, Idaho Code nineteen sixteen oh one

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<v Speaker 1>provides grounds for setting aside indictment. The indictment must be

536
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<v Speaker 1>set aside by the court in which the defendant is

537
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>arraigned upon his motion in either of the following cases.

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<v Speaker 1>One when it is not found, endorsed and presented as

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<v Speaker 1>prescribed in this code. Two when the names of the

540
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<v Speaker 1>witnesses examined before the grand jury or whose depositions may

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00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>have been read before them, are not inserted at the

542
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<v Speaker 1>foot of the indictment, or endorsed thereon three when a

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<v Speaker 1>person is permitted to present during the session of the

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury, and when the charge embraced in the indictment

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00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>is under consideration, except as provided in Chapter eleven of

546
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<v Speaker 1>the US Title number four, when the defendant has not

547
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<v Speaker 1>been held to answer before the finding of the indictment

548
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 1>on any ground which would have been good ground for challenge,

549
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<v Speaker 1>either to the panel or to any individual grandeur. Idaho

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00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Code Section nineteen twenty four oh eight provides impertinent part.

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<v Speaker 1>A motion in arrest of judgment is an application on

552
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<v Speaker 1>the part of the defendant that no judgment be rendered

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<v Speaker 1>on a plea or a verdict of guilty, or on

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<v Speaker 1>a verdict against the defendant on a plea of a

555
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>former conviction or acquittal. It may be founded on any

556
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<v Speaker 1>of the defects in the indictment that are grounds for

557
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<v Speaker 1>demur unless the objection to the indictment has been waived

558
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<v Speaker 1>by a failure to demur, and must be made before

559
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<v Speaker 1>or at the time the defendant is called for judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of these statutes was intended to create a mechanism

561
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<v Speaker 1>for challenging the instructions given to the jury. The Court

562
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<v Speaker 1>of Appeals of New York found as much, but concluded

563
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<v Speaker 1>that defendants could still move to quash a warrant where

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<v Speaker 1>the proceedings intrude on their constitutional rights see People versus Glenn,

565
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<v Speaker 1>sixty six, Any one twelve, one, fourteen and fifteen, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh three. The court then found that a showing

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00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 1>that an instruction was prejudicial may require an indictment to

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<v Speaker 1>be quashed. Idaho Supreme Court had adopted this holding see Gaspers,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, Idaho at three ninety six. So what prejudice

570
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 1>results from telling a jury the wrong standard? Typically, courts

571
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 1>give the jury a standard, and it is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>follow it, even where attorneys may misstate that standard in

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<v Speaker 1>their arguments. See Glenn, sixty six and Nott E at

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<v Speaker 1>one fifteen, finding no prejudice from defective instruction in part

575
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<v Speaker 1>because jury pre obviously told proper standard. Unfortunately, that did

576
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<v Speaker 1>not happen here. When a jury has been misled as

577
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<v Speaker 1>to the standard to the defendant's detriment, courts find fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>error because the error goes to the foundation of the

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<v Speaker 1>case and takes away an essential right see State versus

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<v Speaker 1>Ericson one forty eight Idaho. Six seventy nine, six eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five Appeals Court twenty ten, citing State versus Rattlebaugh one

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four Idaho seven fifty eight seven sixty nine, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three. Because the grand jury in this matter was

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<v Speaker 1>only informed of the improper standard, it was a fundamental error,

585
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<v Speaker 1>necessarily depriving mister Colberger of an essential right. Fundamental error

586
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<v Speaker 1>necessitates reversal or, in this case, dismissal of the indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan versus Louisiana, five oh eight US two seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>two eighty nineteen ninety three, Part A. The grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>was aneously instructed with the standard required for a presentment.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus this court could treat the indictment as a presentment.

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<v Speaker 1>There is one final wrinkle in this error that is

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<v Speaker 1>worth considering. As mentioned above, there is an Idaho a

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<v Speaker 1>thing called a presentment. It does not appear from the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities in Idaho that this thing is well understood. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in the words of one justice, it is the only

596
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<v Speaker 1>sort of accusation any grand jury in Idaho has ever produced.

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<v Speaker 1>Edmondson one thirteen Idaho. At two forty two Bistline Jay

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<v Speaker 1>dissenting for the information of the Court and the bar

599
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<v Speaker 1>a presentment is what our United States Supreme Court would

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<v Speaker 1>call a term of art Us versus Hanson, Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three w L. Forty one thirty eight nine

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety four at five end date, twenty twenty three. Thus,

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<v Speaker 1>although it never receives definition in the Code Code, it

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00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 1>has a definition that comes to us from the Field Code.

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<v Speaker 1>The Field Commission explains the Commissioners have proposed two modes

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<v Speaker 1>of proceeding upon the action of the grand jury. First that,

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<v Speaker 1>where the defendant has been held to answer the charge

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<v Speaker 1>and in no other case, the grand jury may, if

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<v Speaker 1>they believe him guilty, find an indictment against them. Second that, if,

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<v Speaker 1>upon investigation of a charge against him, whether originated by

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<v Speaker 1>themselves or presented by another, they believe his is guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of a public offense, they must proceed by presentment. The

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<v Speaker 1>presentment is an informal statement by the grand jury representing

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<v Speaker 1>that a public offense has been committed which is triable

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<v Speaker 1>within the county, and that there is reasonable ground for

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<v Speaker 1>believing the defendant has committed it Section two fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>and to fifty seven. Upon the former, he is of

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<v Speaker 1>course to be held for trial. But upon the latter,

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<v Speaker 1>he is only to be held for examination before a

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<v Speaker 1>magistrate in the same manner as if and information had

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<v Speaker 1>been given to the magistrate in the first instance, and

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<v Speaker 1>with the same opportunity for explanation or defense. These provisions,

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<v Speaker 1>though new in practice, are in principle no innovations. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Criminal Code recently adopted in Virginia, similar provision is

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<v Speaker 1>contained Laws of Virginia eighteen forty eight, Page one forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Section sixteen, and it may be safely asserted that the

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<v Speaker 1>principle contained in them is in consonance with the common

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<v Speaker 1>law itself. In a late case in Pennsylvania, the office

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<v Speaker 1>of a grand jury was stated by Judge King to

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<v Speaker 1>be confined to the examination of such cases as were

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<v Speaker 1>presented by the Attorney General after previous binding over by

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<v Speaker 1>a committing magistrate. This doctrine was held in a case

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<v Speaker 1>where a communication had been rest received from the grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury stating that charges had been made by one of

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<v Speaker 1>their number to the effect that one or more members

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<v Speaker 1>of a public trust had been guilty of converting to

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<v Speaker 1>their own use public money, and asking that witnesses should

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<v Speaker 1>be furnished to them to enable them to examine the charge.

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<v Speaker 1>The spirit of the rule is embodied and carried out

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<v Speaker 1>in the provisions proposed by the Commissioners continuing in the

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Jury all their powers in respect to the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>of charges of crime. It is proposed to guard against

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<v Speaker 1>hasty and ill advised accusations by giving to the defendant,

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<v Speaker 1>upon presentment by the grand jury where he has not

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<v Speaker 1>been already held to answer, the same opportunity of answering

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<v Speaker 1>or explaining the charge as if he had been proceeded

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<v Speaker 1>against by an information before a magistrate, while on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, he is to be committed or balled upon

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<v Speaker 1>the presentment in icily the same manner as upon an indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>In this manner, the rights of the defendant are protected

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<v Speaker 1>and the demands of public justice are abundantly answered. Fuel

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<v Speaker 1>Code at one nineteen and one twenty. Note the presentment

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<v Speaker 1>originates within the grand jury, requires a lower standard of

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<v Speaker 1>proof and requires a preliminary hearing because of it Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>A presentment permits the defendant to request a prelim hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Pursuant to I dot Se nineteen twelve oh seven, a

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<v Speaker 1>magistrate is to proceed on a presentment as if it

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<v Speaker 1>were an information at first glance, this likely appears to

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<v Speaker 1>undo much of what has come before. After all, if

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<v Speaker 1>a presentment is an information, then it already has had

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<v Speaker 1>a preliminary hearing. However, history being what it is, things

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<v Speaker 1>are not so simple. In eighteen eighty seven, when the

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<v Speaker 1>revised Statutes were adopted, an information was the same as

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<v Speaker 1>a complaint. C Revised Statute RS Section seventy three, eighty

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, eighty one, seventy five zero nine toash thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty seven. See also State versus Stafford twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho three eighty one one forty three, page five, twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>five thirty, nineteen fourteen. An information or a complaint is

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<v Speaker 1>a paper charging a defendant with a particular offense, and

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<v Speaker 1>it matters not whether it is called an information or

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<v Speaker 1>a complaint. Once arrested on an information, a defendant has

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<v Speaker 1>a preliminary hearing, referred to at the time as an examination.

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<v Speaker 1>C Revised Statute RS Section seventy five, twenty five, seventy five, seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not until the code was revised, certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in nineteen sixty nine, that the

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<v Speaker 1>terms became truly separate. C SL nineteen sixty nine, Chapter

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, Section one. Additionally, even in eighteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the word complaint was solely used in the Code when

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<v Speaker 1>discussing misdemeanors, while an information or complaint referred to a felony,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in magistrate court. Compare a Revised Statute Section

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five thirty one with Revised Statute Section eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eighteen eighty seven. Thus the question becomes, did the

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<v Speaker 1>legislature change Chapter five and leave Chapter twelve alone to

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<v Speaker 1>purposely turn a presentment into an indictment? The answer is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly nu. Although the purpose of the individual Bill seems

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<v Speaker 1>lost to posterity, the nineteen sixty six Court Modernization Plan

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<v Speaker 1>and the nineteen sixty nine court reforms are still extant.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty six, the legislature wanted a modern court system.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of that plan was to do away with justices

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<v Speaker 1>of the peace, police courts and probate courts and have

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<v Speaker 1>a two tier trial court system. According to the Committee

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<v Speaker 1>on Court Study, the intention was district courts and magistrates.

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<v Speaker 1>The third major area of concern of the Committee on

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<v Speaker 1>the Courts and the Advisory Committee was to provide for

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<v Speaker 1>a two level system of courts in Idaho. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of the preliminary report. It encompasses proposals that

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<v Speaker 1>some may consider a radical break with tradition. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>Committee on Courts and the Advisory Committee feel that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a logical step that must be taken to put

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<v Speaker 1>into effect the clearly expressed wishes of Idaho voters when

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<v Speaker 1>they adopted a constitutional amendment in nineteen sixty two to

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<v Speaker 1>provide for a unified and integrated judicial system. The proposals

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<v Speaker 1>contained in this section of the preliminary Report have been

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<v Speaker 1>prepared in separate sections for easier study. This section includes

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<v Speaker 1>proposals to abolish the present probate justice of the peace

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<v Speaker 1>and police courts, to create a system of district court

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<v Speaker 1>magistrates appointed by district judges, to define more clearly the

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<v Speaker 1>duties and authority in administrative matters of the senior district judge,

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<v Speaker 1>to re enact provisions for a small claims department of

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<v Speaker 1>the Magistrates Division, and to change the method of paying

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<v Speaker 1>for the costs of jury trials in the district court

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<v Speaker 1>from the county to the state. That plan never mentions

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<v Speaker 1>the intention to make it clear that complaints and informations

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<v Speaker 1>are separate, but it does mention that the Colorado system

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<v Speaker 1>does at seven. In nineteen sixty nine, much of the

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<v Speaker 1>court reform recommended was made into law, generally Idaho's Session

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<v Speaker 1>Laws nineteen sixty nine at fourteen fifty nine and sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the purpose of Bill seventy nine is not in

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<v Speaker 1>the Session Laws, its title in the index is Complaint

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<v Speaker 1>Definition Contents, Transmission delivery, as well as complaint Examination of

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<v Speaker 1>Person Life Idaho Code at fourteen sixty one. Additionally, the

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<v Speaker 1>legislature amended much of Chapter eight via s dot l

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, Chapter four sixty seven to create the

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<v Speaker 1>modern preliminary hearing replete with new references to the complaint.

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<v Speaker 1>No laws were passed affecting functioning of the grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen sixty nine. The legislature made various adjustments to

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<v Speaker 1>criminal procedure. However, not one law pertaining to a presentment

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<v Speaker 1>has been passed since nineteen nineteen see Idaho nineteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Section eighty eight oh two, dash zero eight. For these reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>it is clear that I dot see Section nineteen twelve

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven still intends for a presentment to be treated

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<v Speaker 1>as we would now treat a complaint containing a felony. Thus,

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<v Speaker 1>if this Court sees fit, it could simply remand the

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<v Speaker 1>matter to a magistrate for the necessary prelim hearing, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than going through a dismissal and having to determine what

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<v Speaker 1>or the matter may be resubmitted to the grand jury conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>Over one hundred and fifty years ago, Idaho joined the

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<v Speaker 1>state of California and adopting the Field Code, thereby adopting

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<v Speaker 1>reforms to the grand jury system, intended to restore to

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<v Speaker 1>that system its function as a bulwark for freedom. The

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<v Speaker 1>strange history that follows in this state, just as every

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<v Speaker 1>other state with the same statutory scheme, is both tragic

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<v Speaker 1>and unconstitutional. No court had the power to decide that

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<v Speaker 1>legislature had made it too hard for grand juries to

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<v Speaker 1>do their work and change the sufficiency of evidence required

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<v Speaker 1>to indict. Mister Colberger is asking this court to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>the long string of error that led us here and

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<v Speaker 1>give back the people of this state the protections they

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<v Speaker 1>are owed. The indictment in the matter should be dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>or remanded for a prelim hearing. Dated this twenty fourth

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<v Speaker 1>day of July twenty twenty three and signed by jay

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<v Speaker 1>Wa Weston Logsden. All Right, folks, that concludes our look

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<v Speaker 1>at Brian Kohberger's motion to dismiss the grand jury indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the information that goes along with it can

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<v Speaker 1>be found in the description box
